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14 [00:06:04] <kope> i cant run bless
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29 [00:12:14] <akk> Hi -- just tried to install stretch on my
Asus 1015e (UEFI, but came with Ubuntu preinstalled) and it
won't boot, I'm stuck at "file not found" grub
rescue.
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31 [00:12:58] <akk> I tried booting into rescue mode on the
install USB stick but its grub rescue options don't work either
(I can get a shell).
32 [00:13:11] <akk> Any advice? I'm not finding much with
google.
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34 [00:13:52] <hypn0> kope: you installed mono too?
35 [00:14:16] <kope> yes
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60 [00:28:28] <michael2> If I were to install firefox from sid
repo's could I expect that that firefox package would have had
more fixes than the firefox directly downloaded from mozilla.org?
61 [00:32:23] <dvs> !firefox
62 [00:32:23] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was
known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not
permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now
available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable>
follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest
versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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66 [00:33:55] <akk> Is there a way to "force grub-efi
installation to the removable media path" from the commandline?
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68 [00:34:04] <akk>
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71 [00:35:28] <michael2> !mozilla.debian.net
72 [00:35:29] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of
Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at
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81 [00:39:41] <jcarpenter2> it is my observation that GCC 7.x is
not in stretch-main or in stretch-backports, therefore i will be
compiling and installin git
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89 [00:45:23] <jcarpenter2> the good news is i'm going to
be using std::variant
90 [00:45:44] * jcarpenter2 shuts brain off of problem until code is
re-written to use std::variant, then everything will be easier
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95 [00:49:29] <dysfigured> is there a program that monitors
process run by certain users? like htop, but does logging, and some
way to script against events
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140 [01:35:57] <Trel> I'm trying to fix an issue where X
freezes or crashes when I switch TTYs. I'm stretch on a laptop
with an Intel CPU (with integrated graphics). If I use a display
manager (lightdm for example) if I change TTYs and come back, it
crashes and restarts. If I change to a multi-user target, and do
startx manually, when I switch TTYs and come back, my system fully
locks up (Caps lock light doesn't work, etc)
141 [01:36:21] <Trel> Also with the startx method, I don't
seem to get any xorg logs.
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146 [01:39:39] <michael2> are you using your own ~/.xsession for
`startx'?
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148 [01:40:48] <Trel> I don't have one defined if
that's what you mean
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151 [01:42:11] <michael2> what if you define one? - that should
by pass whatever config your window manager is using - I believe
~/.xsession causes xinit to ignore /etc/X11 defaults
152 [01:42:34] <Trel> I'm not sure what I'd put there
to even begin to diagnose this.
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157 [01:46:42] <Trel> Any tips?
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161 [01:50:02] <michael2> here is an example ~/.xinit
162 [01:50:08] <michael2>
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164 [01:50:34] <michael2> debian recommends you use ~/.xsession
instead of ~/.xinit
165 [01:50:47] <Unit193> Reminds me of
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173 [01:55:11] <Trel> I actually just fixed the issue (both)
174 [01:55:23] <Trel> I apparently found the solution, but just
put it in the wrong place
175 [01:55:39] <Trel> One sec
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180 [01:58:46] <Trel>
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182 [01:58:58] <Trel> Comment #7, about adding the VideoRam
option
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184 [01:59:48] <Trel> I don't have the bios option, but
adding the videoram option to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf (I
made the file) fixed both.
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192 [02:02:01] <bug> good work, Trel
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197 [02:05:31] <Trel> Is there somewhere to report that said bug
is still affecting Debian?
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214 [02:19:02] <s7r> is there any GUI raid utility that will
allow easy configuration of raid with a simple graphic interface, no
command line?
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217 [02:23:36] <jmsx> s7r: I think cockpit has that
functionality, I've been hearing good things about it lately-
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221 [02:25:44] <s7r> if i move the raid array from one server to
another after it has been configured, will it be accessible?
222 [02:25:45] <LeandroLuiz> webmin has that functionality as
well
223 [02:26:05] <jmsx> certainly
224 [02:26:15] <s7r> yeah the first result that i saw in google
was to use webmin ... thought there is something cleaner like
gparted or something
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251 [02:42:30] <annadane> you can use libreoffice to
electronically sign (as in, like a hand signature) a pdf, right?
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253 [02:42:37] <annadane> (6, from backports)
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275 [03:08:08] <annadane> every single internet search result is
"sign with certificate" which is not what i want
276 [03:08:15] <annadane> i just want free-form lines
277 [03:08:20] <annadane> i could try krita i guess
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283 [03:13:31] <annadane> yeah, krita has a text tool; now i just
have to figure out how to switch between multiple pages
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294 [03:20:18] <kyle__> Any suggestions for no audio if pamix
shows activity but nothing over headphones or builtin speaker on a
laptop?
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297 [03:22:13] <kyle__> It's the generic intel on-board
audio from an atom chipset: 00:0e.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation
Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor N4200/N3350/E3900 Series Audio
Cluster (rev 0b)
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309 [03:37:20] <kyle__> And it was the mixer applet on gdm3 that
was somehow overriding it all
310 [03:37:21] <kyle__> :/
311 [03:37:37] <kyle__> Moving from XDM was a mistake
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315 [03:42:10] <karlpinc> annadane: I always scan paper
signatures and use pdftk to frob a final pdf.
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319 [03:43:25] <kyle__> frob?
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321 [03:46:54] <karlpinc> kyle__:
replaced-url
322 [03:47:39] <kyle__> You know, I nearly failed out of school
because of mudds, but I never knew or heard that erm.
323 [03:47:55] <kyle__> s/erm\./term./
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328 [03:53:06] <annadane> karlpinc, unfortunately i possess no
scanner
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331 [03:54:19] <annadane> interestingly, libreoffice writer
refuses to open PDF's; it defaults to libreoffice draw
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335 [04:01:29] <bug> you can photograph it if you get the
lighting just right, in macro mode. not as good but works in a
pinch.
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340 [04:04:12] <annadane> is there really nothing that just
offers free-form lines
341 [04:04:16] <annadane> i'm sure krita can do it
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348 [04:08:18] <bug> well, i'd just use gimp with my
graphics tablet, but it would be awkward with a mouse,
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353 [04:11:47] <michael2> annadane: Ive done what you're
describing in GIMP recently
354 [04:11:56] <annadane> neato.
355 [04:12:45] <michael2> the only problem - is once you open the
pdf in gimp, I think gimp explodes each pdf page into a separate
document/file
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357 [04:13:14] <annadane> reeeeee
358 [04:13:21] <michael2> so if the pdf is many pages, you will
have to stitch it back together after you've done your
manipulations
359 [04:13:33] <annadane> i'm sure it's not hard
360 [04:13:56] <michael2> Ive got notes somewhere on how to do it
- yeah there is a program for it
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363 [04:15:02] <michael2> I think I used xsane
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367 [04:15:43] <annadane> thanks :)
368 [04:16:50] <DammitJim> I am trying to remove a pv from a vg
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370 [04:17:10] <DammitJim> but I keep getting warnings about the
device for pv... not found or rejected
371 [04:17:22] <DammitJim> anyone with experience with LVM?
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374 [04:19:05] <michael2> annadane: oh wait - sorry dont think
xsane is what you want - it creates multipage pdf's from
scanned images. I would try looking into exporting all the pages
back into a single pdf file via gimp itself
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448 [05:10:16] <karlpinc> annadane: I've also cut-and-pasted
a signature in with gimp. (The phone photo option
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450 [05:10:50] <karlpinc> annadane: Use pdftk, and change only
the page(s) you're interested in and then cut them back into a
copy of the original pdf.
451 [05:11:37] <annadane> thanks
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454 [05:13:14] <karlpinc> annadane: There's other ways but
pdftk is super handy.
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479 [05:33:56] <password4> is there an easy way to change my wifi
ip from dhcp to static via terminal?
480 [05:34:22] <password4> i just want to change the ip , the
connection already exists
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486 [05:38:40] <password4> i don't even know where the
settings is stored for my wifi
487 [05:38:55] <karlpinc> password4: You can always use "ip
address" to change the ip of any interface.
488 [05:39:05] <karlpinc> !tell password4 about interfaces
489 [05:39:42] <password4> but then i need to redo the whole
setup if i set it in there?
490 [05:40:07] <karlpinc> password4: You can do ifdown and ifup
on the interface.
491 [05:40:28] <password4> and ifdown/up will help me how?
492 [05:40:35] <karlpinc> password4: Otherwise, use "ip
address" directly. Messing with interfaces is easier.
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494 [05:41:03] <karlpinc> password4: It will bring the interface
down, releasing it's ip, and then bring it back up with the
static ip you assign.
495 [05:41:08] <password4> can i x forward that interface?
496 [05:41:56] <karlpinc> password4: You forward to a host. You
can forward over any interface, assuming there's no firewall,
restrictions on the destination host, etc.
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498 [05:42:32] <password4> how do i set the ip over ssh using ip
adress?
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500 [05:43:05] <karlpinc> password4: You don't need to
"forward" X, it runs over a network. (You can forward
through ssh for security, or establish a vpn or other sorts of
secure network connectivity too.)
501 [05:43:09] <password4> or where is my current wifi settings
stored?
502 [05:43:18] <password4> ffs
503 [05:43:32] <password4> what is 'ip adress'?
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505 [05:43:48] <password4> a commandline utility?
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507 [05:43:54] <karlpinc> password4: All of your network setting
are stored in /etc/network/interfaces, unless you're using
network manager.
508 [05:44:00] <karlpinc> password4: Yes.
509 [05:44:08] <password4> well I'm running an manager
510 [05:44:17] <password4> as my settings for wifi is not in
there
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593 [06:53:41] <ph33r> So, anyone here good with manual compiling
kernels?
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631 [07:24:34] <Hooloovo0> ph33r, I've done it numerous
times
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634 [07:26:27] <ph33r> I seem to make the kernel fine. The OS
reloads with it no problem, but I have no modules with lsmod.
Noticed that when my wifi didn't work. Tried looking for
documentation on that, but didn't find anything that worked.
635 [07:28:18] <alkisg> ph33r: does this directory exist? ls
/lib/modules/$(uname -r)
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645 [07:34:00] <ph33r> Yes, it exists, but only contains a
symlink to /usr/src/linux-source-4.15
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677 [07:49:52] <linuxNoob> im building a lab and im planning to
use an old debian distro with with both SysV and grub v1. which
version must i go for?
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683 [07:53:35] <ph33r> Is there a reason you are going for
something that old?
684 [07:53:53] <well_laid_lawn> there's none still supported
with grub1 afaik
685 [07:54:01] <Logg> I think Debian squeeze fits those
requirements, not sure.
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687 [07:54:51] <ph33r> If you are trying to set up a pen-testing
with a vulnerable OS I would suggest DVL or DVWA.
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689 [07:56:18] <linuxNoob> i didnt ask for suggestions ph33r.
ithink my question was pretty specific
690 [07:56:30] <linuxNoob> thanks Logg i will check that out
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692 [07:57:11] <Logg> I _am_ curious of your motivation linuxNoob
693 [07:57:51] <ph33r> If I give you a bone I don't want to
know if it tastes good. Go find what you're looking for
yourself then.
694 [07:58:44] <linuxNoob> ph33r you answered off topic. dont be
rude please, if you didnt know you could have just keep quiet. thank
you.
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696 [07:59:54] <ph33r> You said lab, not what kind of lab. You
were too vague to expect any specific answers.
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715 [08:09:33] <karlpinc> ph33r: Looked at
replaced-url
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719 [08:10:33] <ph33r> I've seen parts of it, but
haven't found anything specific to rebuilding modules in there
yet. You?
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724 [08:12:50] <karlpinc> ph33r: I would think that section 4.5
is relevant, because I'd expect that you'd get all the
stuff that comes with Debian. Including modules. Dunno. Maybe 4.6
also.
725 [08:12:51] <Hooloovo0> oh, sorry, I haven't been
following this closely, I don't have much experience with
debian kernel packages
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729 [08:16:19] <ph33r> I didn't see anything in 4.5 or 4.6,
but 4.7 seems to be what is needed. Thank you karlpinc!
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856 [09:24:40] <b00tcat> good day everyone - I'm building a
custom kernel + modules (due to specific hardware) and would like to
package it up in a deb file to reduce setup time in other boards.
What would I have to package? /boot/Image and /lib/modules? or would
that be a bad practice?
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862 [09:28:44] <jelly> b00tcat: just build with "make
deb-pkg"
863 [09:29:32] <babilen> b00tcat: You could use Debian's
packaging as a base:
replaced-url
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865 [09:30:19] <jelly> make deb-pkg works on x86, no idea about
other platforms
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869 [09:32:24] <b00tcat> I'm on ARM64, but I"ll try it
out - I didn't know that option was available (deb-pkg)
870 [09:32:37] <b00tcat> thanks jelly babilen
871 [09:34:05] <b00tcat> will this package only the kernel? or
also the non-vanilla modules that I compile?
872 [09:34:14] <b00tcat> only contain*
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878 [09:41:53] <disposable2> I'd like to put a cluster of
nfs servers as gateways to my iscsi storage appliance. will that
lower IOPS or just increase latency? (provided the NFS servers have
overkill CPUs and NICs)
879 [09:42:08] <jelly> b00tcat: it's supposed to package
whatever's in the tree
880 [09:42:20] <jelly> and enabled to be built
881 [09:42:45] <b00tcat> ok perfect - it's building right
now
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883 [09:43:49] <annadane> where does hexchat keep its
configuration, so i can add autojoin channels in preferably a text
file?
884 [09:44:33] <jelly> ~/.config/hexchat/servlist* something
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886 [09:45:18] <jelly> annadane: don't edit while it's
running
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901 [09:53:06] <michael2> hi all, I am having problems connecting
to wifi. message from `nmcli' is that the wifi network could
not be found. output of /var/log/syslog looks like trying to connect
using a wifi profile that i
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903 [09:53:20] <michael2> have deleted
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911 [09:56:31] <michael2> also, when I run `ip a' it shows
my wifi interface is down - but `nmcli dev wifi' is printing
out a list of networks. I didn't think `nmcli' could
function at all when there is no network interface, right?
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929 [10:10:50] <dracc> While compiling larger projects (rpcs3,
dolphin-emu) I get "virtual memory exhausted: cannot allocate
memory". I have 32GB RAM. Is there any way to circumvent this
or do I need to add a swap partition?
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931 [10:11:52] <tdn> I see these errors in dmesg: "ERROR
Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring"
Any reason for concern? Or are they safe to ignore? I have an
external USB disk connected but it does seem to work fine.
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933 [10:12:58] <petn-randall> tdn: What are the messages around
it? Can you paste it all to
replaced-url
934 [10:13:11] <petn-randall> dracc: Is this a 32bit
installation?
935 [10:13:47] <dracc> petn-randall, Nope, x86_64, 16 thread CPU.
936 [10:14:29] <tdn> petn-randall, here is some of it:
replaced-url
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938 [10:15:19] <b00tcat> dracc: what's your ulimit on
virtual memory? `ulimit -v`
939 [10:15:21] <themill> dracc: what's the output of
"dpkg --print-architecture"
940 [10:15:33] <tdn> petn-randall,
replaced-url
941 [10:15:40] <dracc> b00tcat, "unlimited". :o
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943 [10:15:57] <dracc> themill, "amd64"
944 [10:16:03] <themill> ok, not that then
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946 [10:16:27] <dracc> themill, What was your trail of thought?
:)
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948 [10:17:00] <themill> 32bit limits on memory sizes are
problematic for the linker, esp where C++ is concerned
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955 [10:17:44] <dracc> themill, I see. :)
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964 [10:19:56] <themill> dracc: you could have a look at the
compilation options the debian packages are using. The buildds
compile them in plenty less memory than that
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968 [10:22:22] <dracc> themill, I can use "make -j8"
instead of "make -j" in order to avoid the error, but I
want to run full speed. :( But I will look into debian compilation
options.
969 [10:24:54] <themill> yeah, well, asking for a boatload more
things running at the same time won't help
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987 [10:37:55] <dracc> > Be me. > Have 16 thread cpu and
32GB RAM. > only ever use 8
988 [10:37:56] <dracc> :(
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991 [10:39:46] <petn-randall> dracc: By more RAM.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
992 [10:39:50] <petn-randall> *buy
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1003 [10:46:48] <dracc> petn-randall, But... 32GB more RAM is
crazy expensive! :(
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1013 [10:48:51] <dracc> petn-randall, Other than that, it's
probably a valid solution!
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1099 [11:45:14] <blaztek> sobkas: even Grammerly doesn't
figure that one out
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1110 [11:49:30] <tdn> petn-randall, does that make any sense?
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1118 [11:52:34] <_abc_> Please suggest a way to highlight/copy url
and email text pieces in aptitude. Aptitude runs in a xfce4-terminal
and I can't highlight or copy the links, they get underlined
when moused over
1119 [11:52:50] <_abc_> brb please answer if you can
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1137 [12:06:51] <_abc_> Okay the answer is in the manual, hold
shift while selecting with the mouse
1138 [12:07:02] <_abc_> [ignore the question thx]
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1149 [12:13:22] <password2> how much of a hassle would it be to
migrate my debian to a virtualbox?
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1160 [12:17:58] <xVim> Hi. I currently have Debian stable
installed, but want some more up-to-date packages that are not
available as backports (e.g. Python 3.6). I don't want to use
testing for security reasons. sid seems a bit risky and has not the
best security support as well. Therefore I thought about having two
Debian systems (stable, sid) on my PC with a shared home partition,
and use sid only when I need up-to-date
1161 [12:18:00] <xVim> programs. Any thoughts on that?
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1164 [12:19:43] <PerfDave> xVim: A sid chroot
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1166 [12:20:35] <colo-work> or a systemd nspawn container running
sid
1167 [12:20:52] <colo-work> (I use this to have Debian available
on other distros. works well.)
1168 [12:22:25] <xVim> PerfDave, colo-work: Thanks for the
suggestions, I am looking up those terms (I am unfamiliar with them)
and try to understand your suggestions.
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1173 [12:23:30] <blaztek> xVim: in the late 90's I got the
debian source files from testing and made the deb for stable...it
seemed to work well but a lot of effort
1174 [12:23:54] <petn-randall> xVim: Note that sid and testing
both come without security support. If there's a fix,
it'll get uploaded by the maintainer. However, testing is by
default 5 days behind sid.
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1179 [12:25:47] <xVim> petn-randall: I am aware of that, thank
you. But I think I have to use sid if I want up-to-date-packages
like python3.6 (I don't want to compile that myself, and no
backport exists)
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1193 [12:37:05] <velix> libsfcgal1 wants to pull hundrets of libs,
which I don't need (and which aren't needed for my task).
Looking into dependencies, "libopenscenegraph" is the bad
guy. Looking into deb-buildfile, there's a patch to make
libopenscenegraph optional if available. So do I just need to remove
the patch and rebuild the package to get rid of > 250 MB of
useless dependencies?
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1198 [12:40:51] <velix> Oh my... some packages need to be compiled
against java :D
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1200 [12:47:22] <michael2> hi all, I am having problems connecting
to wifi. getting error message (53) from `nmcli' - the wifi
network could not be found. output of /var/log/syslog looks like
network manager is trying to connect using a wifi profile that I
have deleted
1201 [12:47:31] <michael2> also, when I run `ip a' it shows
my wifi interface is down - but `nmcli dev wifi' is printing
out a list of networks. I didn't think `nmcli' could
function at all when there is no network interface, right?
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1211 [12:58:13] <Kelsar_> michael2: ip a down state just means not
ready for data transfers
1212 [12:58:22] <Kelsar_> or not configured
1213 [12:58:33] <michael2> oh,
1214 [12:58:39] <Kelsar_> lowlevel wlan functions will ofc work
1215 [12:58:51] <Kelsar_> you could try nmtui to activate your
wlan
1216 [12:58:54] <michael2> ofc?
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1218 [12:59:02] <Kelsar_> ofcourse
1219 [13:00:12] <michael2> thanks, so basically the network
interface device is really just like a device that can be used on
demand?
1220 [13:00:58] <michael2> it could be dead to the world - then a
program calls it into action ?
1221 [13:01:32] <michael2> unlike say a daemon - which you need to
initialise etc?
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1223 [13:02:54] <michael2> trying nmtui now...
1224 [13:03:25] <michael2> doesn't work either
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1230 [13:05:00] <velix> Is there a channel to talk to debian
package gurus?
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1249 [13:15:07] <BCMM> velix: there is a #debian-mentors over on
OFTC
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1251 [13:15:47] <BCMM> velix: (also #packaging, if you're not
planning on getting your package into the Debian archive)
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1258 [13:18:45] <velix> BCMM: thanks :D
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1262 [13:21:40] <velix> BCMM: #packaging is very dead
1263 [13:21:46] <velix> or in OFTC?
1264 [13:21:50] <BCMM> velix: yes, on OFTC
1265 [13:21:55] <velix> Ok ;)
1266 [13:22:00] <BCMM> (i.e. on a different irc network, no on
freenode)
1267 [13:22:04] <velix> yeah
1268 [13:22:39] <BCMM> velix: most debian channels are there
1269 [13:22:44] <velix> oh okay.
1270 [13:23:11] <BCMM>
replaced-url
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1274 [13:23:30] <BCMM> i think it's just this one and
-offtopic here on freenode
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1276 [13:24:34] <michael2> im trying low-level cli commands to
connect to wifi. I can get connected to access point. then when I
run `dhclient ' I can see in /var/log/syslog DHCPDISCOVERER is
spinning it wheels trying a an IP address, then it fails with
message [no DHCP OFFERS RECEIVED]
1277 [13:24:45] <velix> BCMM: Ah, thanks. I'll keep this in
mind for future chats :D
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1279 [13:25:33] <BCMM> this one is typically a lot more lively
than than #debian on oftc, because freenode is popular and stuff
1280 [13:25:41] <BCMM> but the more specialist channels are only
on oftc
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1282 [13:26:29] <velix> BCMM: IRC is still popular? :D
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1284 [13:27:00] <velix> When I started IRC, it was full of pr0n
and mp3s, hehe
1285 [13:28:51] <velix> BCMM: oh dear, #packaging on OFTC also
isn't very active :(
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1287 [13:29:12] <dracc> michael2, Are you able to use DHCP with
another device on that same network?
1288 [13:29:24] <BCMM> velix: i suggest that you ask your question
and then be prepared to wait, possibly for hours
1289 [13:29:27] <JyZyXEL> #debian-mentors for ftp.debian.org
packages
1290 [13:29:42] <JyZyXEL> a lot more active
1291 [13:29:44] <BCMM> velix: i don't know about that channel
in particular, but in general that's the way to use small IRC
channels
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1293 [13:30:01] <michael2> dracc: yes, im using this 2nd device to
IRC with - over the same wifi network
1294 [13:30:08] <velix> BCMM: Most of the time, I'm fixing
problems while waiting, hehe
1295 [13:30:09] <BCMM> velix: are you trying to build a debian
package to distribute yourself, or trying to get a package in to
debian?
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1297 [13:30:36] <velix> BCMM: neither. I'm modifying a buster
package to get rid of its java components.
1298 [13:30:45] <BCMM> just to use locally?
1299 [13:30:48] <velix> BCMM: yes
1300 [13:30:55] <velix> maybe blog about it
1301 [13:30:59] <dracc> michael2, and the dhclient is running on
the correct NIC?
1302 [13:31:53] <michael2> dracc: damn - no... is there a command
to stop dhclient?
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1305 [13:33:10] <michael2> trying shutting down the interface...
1306 [13:34:21] <BCMM> (re: the popularity of IRC, Freenode has
roughly double in size over the past decade, to around 100,000
active users)
1307 [13:34:58] <abrotman> JyZyXEL: you mean irc.debian.org ?
1308 [13:35:07] <abrotman> oh misread
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1310 [13:35:23] <abrotman> but, probably worth noting it's on
OFTC
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1312 [13:35:35] <JyZyXEL> ah, yes of course
1313 [13:38:13] <jelly> velix: you probably don't need gurus
for that particular question
1314 [13:38:19] <jelly> !package rebuild
1315 [13:38:19] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your
current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep
packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd
packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5)
dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i
../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>,
<nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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1318 [13:39:47] <velix> jelly: backporting isn't a problem.
My problem is removing the java dependenvies.
1319 [13:39:57] <jelly> velix: how does it fail?
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1321 [13:40:09] <velix> jelly: do you want to talk here or in
#packaging?
1322 [13:40:20] <jelly> here is fine
1323 [13:40:20] <velix> jelly: let me collect all the stuff
1324 [13:40:27] <velix> ok ... gimme some seconds.
1325 [13:42:32] <velix> jelly: let me start from scratch to get
the pure error. That's my modified debian/rules:
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1326 [13:42:44] <dracc> michael2, I usually use ^C to stop
dhclient.
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1328 [13:42:58] <dracc> But that is when ran from a terminal.
1329 [13:44:24] <velix> jelly: better version, "#" means removed by me: ##replaced-url
1330 [13:44:30] <michael2> dracc: I ran from terminal,
`dhclient' then it just returned to shell prompt - ill try kill
it out of the process tree
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1334 [13:47:13] <michael2> I killed dhclient, then re-started it
on the correct NIC its still suffering the same problem
1335 [13:48:10] <michael2> I also stopped the NetworkManager
daemon - as I thought that might cause conflicts with my terminal
commands
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1338 [13:49:51] <dracc> michael2, Oh, I'm sorry 'bout
that. I'm fresh out of ideas I guess. :(
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1341 [13:50:23] <velix> jelly: I'm getting this error:
replaced-url
1342 [13:50:29] <michael2> dracc: np
1343 [13:51:05] <velix> jelly: shall I try debuild -us -uc --d
--source-option=--include-removal ?
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1345 [13:51:22] <sn00bie> hi,
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1358 [14:05:37] <michael2> well, I rebooted and the wifi works
fine. weird..
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1398 [14:24:18] <MACscr> if i allocate 100% of a drive to a single
partition (sda1), should grub still install fine to the disk (sda)?
1399 [14:24:38] <p0g0_> yes
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1402 [14:25:19] <MACscr> ok. just trying to figure out why my
preseed pxe install is failing on this server. super frustrating.
already spent 5+ hours trying to get it all to work
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1414 [14:31:55] <MACscr> this is what my partition layout looks
like
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1427 [14:37:47] <ptizoom> hello... got a problemo with am-utils,
and would like to generate an unstripped/-O0 debug-package... I am
doing "... all:DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug
all:DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=qa=+bug,+canary all:;cd
/usr/src/am-utils;dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc ..." is there a
better way?
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1437 [14:41:08] <Zgrokl> hi, i have some serious issue with xorg
it crash every 30min, how can i check the log ? where it is ?
1438 [14:41:18] <Zgrokl> i'm not use to debian (arch user)
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1446 [14:44:29] <sn00bie> check /var/log?
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1448 [14:45:06] <Zgrokl> sn00bie, you mean /var/log/Xorg.1.log ?
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1450 [14:45:30] <sn00bie> Zgrokl, or /var/log/Xorg.log
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1452 [14:46:01] <sn00bie> i believe .1 is old log
1453 [14:46:04] <Zgrokl> there is Xorg.0.log
1454 [14:46:08] <Zgrokl> no Xorg.log
1455 [14:46:13] <MACscr> are 1mb partitions still needed at the
beginning of the disk when NOT using eufi?
1456 [14:46:33] <Zgrokl> but i only see x start log, no crash log
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1460 [14:46:49] <alkisg> sn00bie, Zgrokl, Xorg.vt-number.log, i.e.
0 for vt0, 1 for vt1 etc
1461 [14:46:54] <MACscr> Zgrokl check your dmesg outptu as well
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1463 [14:47:03] <alkisg> And Xorg.?.log.old is the old one for the
same vt
1464 [14:47:20] <Zgrokl> alkisg, ooookay now it's clear
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1466 [14:47:55] <blaztek> MACscr: no
1467 [14:48:06] <Zgrokl> alkisg, but debian screen it's on f7
so it's tty 7 no ?
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1471 [14:48:18] <MACscr> alkisg 3 days later and im still not
getting this pxe install to work. lol
1472 [14:48:39] <alkisg> Zgrokl: well indeed it's not exactly
vt number, it's "xorg vt serial start number" :)
1473 [14:48:52] <alkisg> If you start 2 xorgs, one gets 0, the
second 1, etc
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1475 [14:49:08] <Zgrokl> 2 screen mean 2 xorgs or only 1 ?
1476 [14:49:15] <alkisg> MACscr: which part is failing with pxe?
1477 [14:49:26] <MACscr> alkisg grub install
1478 [14:49:55] <alkisg> MACscr: are you trying to automate some
installation over pxe, or just do the installation once?
1479 [14:50:10] <alkisg> Zgrokl: if you mean 2 monitors, it's
one xorg
1480 [14:50:24] <MACscr> alkisg automate
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1483 [14:50:52] <MACscr> though in this instance, im about to quit
and jsut finish the install manually. not having any luck trying to
overcome the grub issue from the installers busybox
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1486 [14:51:41] <MACscr> this is the partitioning im working with
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1487 [14:52:01] <alkisg> MACscr: I don't have much experience
with preseeding; I prefer to maintain a template image, and automate
its cloning/deployment, as it allows much more flexibility and
it's easier to maintain
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1489 [14:52:09] <MACscr> and the grub error
replaced-url
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1495 [14:52:55] <MACscr> nvm that last screenshot
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1497 [14:53:06] <MACscr> i already overcame that one.
1498 [14:53:21] <MACscr> the grub one is simple, just says it cant
install grub to /dev/sda
1499 [14:53:43] <alkisg> Because...?
1500 [14:53:54] <alkisg> You didn't leave the 1mb gap after
the mbr?
1501 [14:54:17] <MACscr> i was told i didnt need that with legacy
boot and that was only for uefi
1502 [14:54:35] <alkisg> The gap is where grub gets installed.
It's needed in MBR. It's not needed in UEFI.
1503 [14:55:23] <MACscr> so is that gap needed when i create the
paritions on the disk for raid or its needed when creating the
partitions on the boot-root?
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1506 [14:55:49] <alkisg> It's needed when you install to an
MBR disk. / and /boot partitions don't matter at all.
1507 [14:56:13] <alkisg> It's not a partition. It's a
gap between the MBR and the first partition.
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1512 [14:57:23] <MACscr> yes, but the question is "how do i
get that gap?"
1513 [14:57:43] <alkisg> Do you have a failed disk now?
What's the output of sfdisk --dump?
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1515 [14:57:51] <alkisg> To see if you do have the gap or not
1516 [14:57:58] <alkisg> If you do, no pointing in researching
more about it
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1520 [14:58:37] <alkisg> I.e. maybe partman does it automatically,
and the point is moot
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1522 [14:59:17] <MACscr> alkisg
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1523 [14:59:57] <MACscr> partman doesnt do anything like that
because the mdadm array was created BEFORE the installer ran. I
didnt really figure out how to handle creating the raid 10 with the
preseed before it
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1528 [15:01:24] <alkisg> MACscr: so, your sda doesn't have
the gap and grub can't be installed there. I don't know
preseeding so I can't help you in "how to automate the gap
creation". parted and gparted do create it.
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1531 [15:02:58] <MACscr> gparted and parted arent available in
busybox during the pxe installer. i had to use sfdisk to do it
1532 [15:03:46] <alkisg> Then manually leave a gap in sfdisk,
don't use 1 as the start
1533 [15:03:58] <alkisg>
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1535 [15:04:08] <alkisg> I think gparted leaves a 2 MiB gap
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1541 [15:06:12] <jelly> 1MiB should be enough for everybody!
1542 [15:06:22] <jolt> :D
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1585 [15:30:10] <noodlepie> I've just had to remove loads of
cruft from our communal Debian pc, its working again now, had a disk
full error!
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1587 [15:31:39] <noodlepie> Stuff like flightgear is just sooo
big, thank heavens I'm not runing Gentoo on the machine,
that'd take an age to build
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1596 [15:37:20] <at0m> most of flightgear is
scenery/airports/aircraft addons afaik, so pretty static.. probably
just untar instead of build
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1602 [15:39:39] <noodlepie> at0m, yeah, I've removed it now,
it freed up quite a lot of space which I need to generally run the
syste
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1604 [15:40:27] <noodlepie> Actually I have flightgear install on
my Gentoo laptop (8 core i7 beast!). I've never noticed it
building but it probably
1605 [15:40:31] <noodlepie> takes a while!
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1642 [16:04:36] <nohop> Hey guys. What's the best way to have
some binaries executed on the (read-only) root filesystem, right
before 'halt' when doing shutdown -H ? (I need to talk to
some external hardware to actually switch the power off)
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1665 [16:15:48] <noodlepie> Should /tmp be mounted as a tmpfs? I
have it on /dev/sda at the moment
1666 [16:16:16] <colo-work> "it depends". do you have
enough RAM that you're not using for anything else?
1667 [16:16:37] <colo-work> (I prefer to have tmpfs mounted on
/tmp, because I meet thiscondition)
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1672 [16:21:04] <matt3o12> What permissions are required to
execute chmod 775 director/ ?
1673 [16:21:34] <jolt> matt3o12: Owner or root?
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1676 [16:21:59] <matt3o12> Group owner
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1683 [16:24:02] <matt3o12> Or do I have to be the owner to change
the permissions of a director?
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1685 [16:24:40] <jolt> matt3o12: You have to be owner or root
1686 [16:24:54] <maddawg2> well that was damn quick... i cant
believe how easy 3cx is to install and set up
1687 [16:25:18] <matt3o12> jolt: is there any other way to change
the permissions as a group owner?
1688 [16:25:37] <matt3o12> Set it up that it will be possible (as
root)?
1689 [16:25:58] <MACscr> ok, getting a blinking cursor after
install with preseed. im thinking maybe grub wasnt installed to
right disk? I just have d-i grub-installer/bootdev string default
1690 [16:26:24] <MACscr> im wondering if i should do something
like: d-i grub-installer/bootdev string /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc
/dev/sdd
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1693 [16:27:10] <jolt> matt3o12: Not sure. But if you need more
complex permissions, then use acl's instead
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1698 [16:29:10] <matt3o12> Maybe, it helps to know that I want ftp
users to be able to use a shared directory. Currently it is not
possible to remove files created by other users. By changing the
permissions it works, but that only works as a root.
1699 [16:29:46] <jolt> matt3o12: Then you should use ACL's
and set the group acl with the right permissions directly
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1701 [16:30:06] <jolt> I haven't used it for much myself in a
long time, so I can't give more pointes
1702 [16:30:08] <jolt> pointers
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1724 [16:42:40] <JordiGH> I want to publish some writing and have
people comment on it. Is there some sort of easy thing I can do with
Debian? I want to self-host.
1725 [16:42:51] <JordiGH> Like, for collaborative book-editing.
1726 [16:43:16] <abrotman> you mean like a wiki? or blog ?
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1728 [16:43:32] <abrotman> or you mean like a collaboritive
editor?
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1733 [16:44:00] <LunaLovegood> Is there somewhere I can search
which Debian package a file came from based on its md5 or sha1 sum?
For a file from a package that's not installed on the current
host, I mean.
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1735 [16:44:21] <LunaLovegood> Just searching for the checksum in
Google didn't find anything.
1736 [16:45:27] <JordiGH> abrotman: More like a blog.
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1738 [16:46:00] <JordiGH> Kind of like this:
replaced-url
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1741 [16:47:07] * abrotman sees no comments ?
1742 [16:47:22] <abrotman> oh, I do
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1744 [16:47:40] <abrotman> you want a collaborative editor
I'd say .. or Google Docs
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1746 [16:48:11] <abrotman> whiteboard,gobby are the ones I know of
1747 [16:48:12] <PerfDave> JordiGH: Wordpress? :)
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1751 [16:48:38] <JordiGH> abrotman: No, not an editor, just a
comment thing.
1752 [16:48:53] <JordiGH> PerfDave: Is there some WP plugin to
allow people to comment on each paragraph?
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1755 [16:49:21] <abrotman> if you want it per paragraph,
you'd probably want a collaborative editor, really
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1759 [16:50:38] <JordiGH> I'd try to revive whatever Bryan
O'Sullivan did here, but it was some kind of byzantine setup
with XML and docbook and Java.
1760 [16:50:44] <jak2020> hi all how to know space available onmy
Hard disk? (any partition not used)?
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1763 [16:51:22] <abrotman> jak2020: fdisk -l
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1778 [16:57:01] <jak2020> abrotman thanks
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1790 [17:05:00] <DammitJim> Is there a way to recover a volume
group?
1791 [17:05:17] <DammitJim> I was replacing a failing hard drive
with a new one and there were errors during the pvmove
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1793 [17:05:48] <DammitJim> then when trying to remove the old
hard drive, the system started to complain that the LV needed to be
repaired and can't remove the PV
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1802 [17:09:04] <rendar> i must have something misconfigured in my
deban buster, i try to compile some C code whcih uses pread()
pwrite() writev() and readv() functions, and gcc says they are not
defined
1803 [17:09:12] <rendar> everything works on my raspberry
1804 [17:09:16] <rendar> any clues?
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1823 [17:15:16] <iwt3621> rendar: apt install build-essential
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1826 [17:15:44] <rendar> build-essential is already the newest
version (12.4).
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1828 [17:16:38] <rendar> it's already there, iwt3621
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1844 [17:20:57] <rendar> anyone here?
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1846 [17:22:04] <jelly> nope
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1848 [17:22:17] <nkuttler> rendar: testing support is in
#debian-next on oftc
1849 [17:22:38] <rendar> thanls
1850 [17:22:41] <rendar> thanks*
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1852 [17:23:10] <MrSlaughter1775> After reviewing htop, I noticed
that "Web Content" is taking upwards of 100% of my CPU.
I'm assuming that shouldn't be the case, correct?
1853 [17:23:37] <RedSoxFan07> MrSlaughter1775: Depends on the
sites you're on.
1854 [17:23:58] <jelly> MrSlaughter1775: if you have ad-laden or
other heavy tabs open in firefox, it might be
1855 [17:23:59] <RedSoxFan07> Some sites have a lot of JavaScript
and other stuff that takes up CPU cycles.
1856 [17:24:01] <MrSlaughter1775> Youtube.
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1858 [17:24:12] <MrSlaughter1775> No other tabs open.
1859 [17:24:23] <jelly> does it go away when you close yotube
tabs?
1860 [17:24:24] <RedSoxFan07> MrSlaughter1775: What resolution are
you playing the videos at? And what CPU and GPU do you have?
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1863 [17:25:01] <MrSlaughter1775> i7 and Nvidia 900 something i, I
believe
1864 [17:25:13] <MrSlaughter1775> It is a solid laptop, and
I'm not even playing on 1080p.
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1875 [17:30:10] <MrSlaughter1775> Perhaps I have to install some
drivers for my GPU.
1876 [17:30:56] <MrSlaughter1775> I don't think it is using
my dedicated one. This is my first install of Debian and I just got
up a day or two ago.
1877 [17:31:38] <greycat> start with "lspci -nn | grep -i
vga" to see what GPU(s) it has
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1879 [17:32:13] <DammitJim> do you guys have any suggestions on
how to re-create a volume group? The old one is broken and at this
point, I rather just re-create it and restore the files from a
backup
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1881 [17:32:30] <DammitJim> but I don't know what steps to
follow knowing that the old VG/LV is still there
1882 [17:32:33] <noodlepie> Debian is my favourite OS for lower
end machines. Pre-built binary packages install faster than building
them from source, in Gentoo.
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1884 [17:34:54] <petemc> DammitJim: have you looked at
vgcfgrestore ?
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1888 [17:35:38] <DammitJim> yes and that broke it even more
1889 [17:35:43] <DammitJim> (but it was probably user error)
1890 [17:35:44] <MrSlaughter1775> greycat, 00:02.0 VGA compatible
controller [0300]: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 [8086:191b]
(rev 06)
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1892 [17:36:08] <DammitJim> petemc, I had all kinds of problems
adding a new hard drive to replace a borderline bad one
1893 [17:36:09] <MrSlaughter1775> I'm assuming that is the
weaker of my two graphics cards.
1894 [17:36:24] <greycat> MrSlaughter1775: but you said it has an
nvidia. Was there only one line of output from that lspci command,
or two?
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1896 [17:36:46] <MrSlaughter1775> One line of output. It has two
cards in the laptop. One is dedicated.
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1898 [17:37:17] <MrSlaughter1775> The Nvidia Gefore GTX was used
for heftier programs, at least back on Win10.
1899 [17:37:26] <jelly> MrSlaughter1775: pastebin the output of
"vainfo" and "glxinfo". Install vainfo and
mesa-utils packages if needed.
1900 [17:37:31] <greycat> But lspci isn't seeing this alleged
nvidia card *at all*?
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1903 [17:38:26] <MrSlaughter1775> greycat, Correct.
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1905 [17:39:19] <MrSlaughter1775> And it isn't
"alleged", it is inside of my laptop. I manually
configured which programs used which cards when I ran Win10. I have
a big green sticker on the bottom right corner next to my intel core
i7 sticker.
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1908 [17:39:41] <greycat> MrSlaughter1775: this seems to be close
to
replaced-url
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1913 [17:41:02] <greycat> Hmm, the lspci output for that laptop
has "3D controller" instead of "VGA compatible
controller"
1914 [17:41:07] <velix> jelly: No solution :(
1915 [17:41:33] <greycat> MrSlaughter1775: how about "lspci
-nn | grep NVIDIA"
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1917 [17:42:18] <jim> hi... googling for how to get pread() and
pwerite(), the man page says unistd.h, including that, still not
defined... what's missing?
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1922 [17:43:08] <greycat> jim: well, it's in
/usr/include/unistd.h on stretch
1923 [17:43:12] <MrSlaughter1775> greycat, 02:00.0 3D controller
[0302]: NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 960M] [10de:139b]
(rev a2)
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1925 [17:43:26] <greycat> !optimus
1926 [17:43:27] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the
laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and
<wheezy-backports>.
replaced-url
1927 [17:44:09] <jim> greycat, he says he's already including
that
1928 [17:44:17] <MrSlaughter1775> So basically download Bumblebee
1929 [17:44:18] <greycat> MrSlaughter1775: follow
replaced-url
1930 [17:44:23] <MrSlaughter1775> Thank you
1931 [17:44:29] <greycat> jim: stop being a proxy
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1933 [17:44:52] <MrSlaughter1775> This can be quite tricky for a
newbie. Luckily there is a good community to consult when issues
arise.
1934 [17:45:04] <MrSlaughter1775> Gym time boys. I'll be
lurking.
1935 [17:45:08] <jim> ,find usr/include/unistd.h
1936 [17:45:11] <judd> Search for usr/include/unistd.h in
stretch/amd64: libc6-dev: usr/include/unistd.h
1937 [17:45:16] <jelly> MrSlaughter1775: still the intel gpu
should be able to do accelerated decoding on its own.
1938 [17:45:21] <PerfDave> I used to use bumblebee to play Steam
games on my dual-GPU laptop
1939 [17:45:31] <jim> and, he says that package is already the
latest
1940 [17:45:46] <jelly> MrSlaughter1775: it's possible the
intel gpu hw side is too new for debian 9 kernel
1941 [17:45:50] <annadane> they're on buster...
1942 [17:46:02] <annadane> we told them to go to #debian-next
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1945 [17:46:24] <rendar> there isn't anyone in debian-next
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1947 [17:46:46] <annadane> it's still the right place to ask
1948 [17:46:48] <jelly> !debian-next
1949 [17:46:48] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1950 [17:46:56] <annadane> and yeah, oftc, not freenode
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1952 [17:47:01] <jelly> different irc server
1953 [17:47:10] <BCMM> *network
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1955 [17:47:20] <MrSlaughter1775> Grr.
1956 [17:47:28] <noodlepie> :)
1957 [17:47:38] <MrSlaughter1775> #struggles
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1978 [17:58:27] <noodlepie> OK, my Debian machine is fine now. It
ran out of disk space so I removed some games and viola, everything
works again.
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2026 [18:20:55] <jak2020> how to add a 2nd ip? to my linux box?
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2028 [18:22:14] <haruspiiii> man ifconf
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2030 [18:22:39] <jak2020> but permanently?
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2032 [18:22:50] <nkuttler> man 5 interfaces?
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2035 [18:24:14] <babilen> jak2020:
replaced-url
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2037 [18:24:44] <babilen> jak2020: Where does that IP come from?
Where do you get traffic from? Do you have additional interfaces?
2038 [18:24:47] <babilen> ...
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2058 [18:31:02] <jak2020> babilen no aditional iface
2059 [18:31:05] <jak2020> in same
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2141 [19:06:10] <galex-713> Hi
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2143 [19:06:24] <galex-713> I, really wrongly, seemingly, did run
some make uninstall as root
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2145 [19:06:49] <galex-713> now, it suppressed a bunch of
directories with rm -rf like
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128,scalar,etc.
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2148 [19:07:10] <galex-713> is there a way to run dpkg/apt so that
it restores the files of each installed package?
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2150 [19:08:09] <jelly> galex-713: you can ask dpkg which packages
had stuff in deleted folders, eg. dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/hicolor
2151 [19:08:14] <pelle> hi, when i install debian on my laptop,
grub doesn't install properly on it. i can boot up the debian
from the laptop when using grub installed on a separate usb disk.
this is under BIOS/"legacy" mode... under UEFI the debian
installer freezes after selected "Install" or
"Graphical install". Anyone has any good ideas for
workarounds or stuff?
2152 [19:08:21] <jelly> galex-713: and then you can reinstall
those packages
2153 [19:09:01] <galex-713> jelly: how can I reinstall those?
2154 [19:09:15] <pelle> dpkg install --reinstall some-package
2155 [19:09:16] <dpkg> pelle: I'm not sure, is it larger than
a breadbox?
2156 [19:09:19] <jelly> galex-713: apt reinstall ... would be one
way
2157 [19:09:38] <jelly> pelle: maybe you meant apt-get and not
dpkg there.
2158 [19:09:43] <galex-713> that’s 363 packages
2159 [19:09:47] <pelle> @jelly yes, oops
2160 [19:10:00] <pelle> @dpkg yea, quite big laptop. how come?
2161 [19:10:07] <jelly> galex-713: or restore your OS from backups
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2164 [19:10:19] <jelly> if you have any
2165 [19:10:20] <galex-713> jelly: just in case… would
there be a way to reinstall *all* packages deleted files? of the
whole system? would apt reinstall * work?
2166 [19:10:24] <galex-713> no I don’t :(
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2168 [19:10:53] <jelly> galex-713: I have never had to do that, so
no idea
2169 [19:11:03] <pelle> maybe this???? apt install --reinstall
$(dpkg -S /)
2170 [19:11:11] <hypn0> how many?
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2172 [19:11:36] <jelly> dpkg -S output has to be processed to only
get package names out, first
2173 [19:11:36] <dpkg> There is no record of a output has to be
processed to only get package names out, first package
2174 [19:11:45] <galex-713> jelly: apt reinstall doesn’t
seem to exist :/
2175 [19:11:56] <galex-713> jelly: no, I get them in a
comma-separated list
2176 [19:12:01] <pelle> @galex-713 it's apt install
--reinstall
2177 [19:12:37] <jelly> galex-713: eh. I misrememeber. aptitude
has a reinstall command.
2178 [19:12:38] <galex-713> ah ok
2179 [19:12:42] <jelly> however
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2181 [19:13:04] <jelly> you will lose information about which
packages were installed automatically, that way
2182 [19:13:06] <galex-713> ok --reinstall is working
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2184 [19:13:11] <galex-713> what?
2185 [19:13:15] <galex-713> really?
2186 [19:13:19] <pelle> @jelly: true
2187 [19:13:27] <galex-713> with --reinstall or aptitude
reinstall?
2188 [19:13:31] <jelly> both.
2189 [19:13:34] <pelle> @galex-713: yes, because you'll set
every package to be manually installed
2190 [19:13:51] <galex-713> isn’t there a way to keep this
information?
2191 [19:14:03] <jelly> probably
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2193 [19:14:13] <galex-713> a simple way?
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2196 [19:15:20] <galex-713> like something simpler than iterating
on the output of apt show to grep Apt-Manual-Installed
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2199 [19:16:22] <jelly> apt-mark might be helpful
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2205 [19:17:14] <jelly> also, aptitude has a powerful search
syntax that can limit to only manually installed or only
automatically installed but I don't remember the details
2206 [19:17:59] <galex-713> oh thank you that is of great utility
2207 [19:18:11] <galex-713> so I saved the list of manually
installed in a file
2208 [19:18:14] <galex-713> 83
2209 [19:18:18] <galex-713> *packages
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2212 [19:18:51] <galex-713> and I will apt-mark manual
$(<manually.lst) afterward
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2220 [19:20:54] <jelly> you want to restore the other bit, auto
installed
2221 [19:21:45] <jelly> because apt install --reinstall [lots of
packages] is you asking apt explicitely to have them installed
2222 [19:21:57] <drwarner> I'm sitting in front of an HP
ProOne 400 G3. I couldn't get the Debian installers to work on
it - even the non-free firmware variant. After Grub, the screen goes
blank (although it seems like the system is still running.)
I've tried various vga options in the grub cli to no avail, but
the daily for Ubuntu's 1804 works fine. How do I best go about
figuring our root cause and reporting it?
2223 [19:22:17] <galex-713> oops
2224 [19:22:24] <jelly> galex-713: I don't remember whether
aptitude reinstall keeps the previous flag or not. I suspect apt-get
doesn't.
2225 [19:22:30] <galex-713> well, I can mark them all auto, them
mark the few manual
2226 [19:22:59] <jelly> be careful about autoremovals if you use
aptitude in that case
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2231 [19:25:27] <galex-713> I don’t
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2242 [19:28:23] <mutante> drwarner: i would try going to BIOS and
toggling the "legacy BIOS" / "UEFI" mode .. just
because
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2246 [19:30:07] <mutante> drwarner: also when the screen goes
blank, maybe by hitting Ctrl + C or F-keys (Shift + F-keys) you can
get into the grub rescue shell and see logs from there
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machine appear on the network, even if the screen is blank?
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2259 [19:34:20] <drwarner> mutante, I've already adjusted the
bios settings, and the screen doesn't go blank until after grub
boots the kernel, so the rescue shell is no longer available.
2260 [19:35:05] <mutante> drwarner: can you try a different kernel
version? older or newer
2261 [19:35:22] <mutante> after installation you could then keep
testing which one causes it
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2265 [19:35:47] <mutante> compare the one used in the Ubuntu daily
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2273 [19:38:00] <jelly> it sounds like the switch to framebuffer
console messes things up, but the OS might otherwise be booting
normally
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2276 [19:39:25] <drwarner> that's what I thought too, I tried
booting with the nofb option, no love. I also tried the
i915.modeset=0 option
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2278 [19:39:48] <mutante> you could test that by booting, waiting
a bit and then SSH from another machine on the LAN
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2280 [19:40:05] <drwarner> I guess I'll try getting a copy of
the latest debian netboot from testing and see if it makes a
difference
2281 [19:40:05] <mutante> maybe you can then fix it from that
shell
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2283 [19:40:41] <drwarner> ssh is available on installers?\
2284 [19:41:01] <mutante> this was re: "the OS might
otherwise be booting normally"
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2286 [19:42:00] <drwarner> on an installer? You've confused
me.
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2291 [19:42:52] <mutante> i might be the one confused, i
interpreted that as "installer is done, installs grub as last
step, then it (looks like) it doesnt boot"
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2294 [19:43:33] <MrSlaughter1775> I tried following along with
these instructions:
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2295 [19:43:33] <_0xbadc0de_> anyone here knows how to use byobu?
2296 [19:43:35] <drwarner> no. I'm talking about getting a
blank screen when attempting to boot from the installer for stable.
2297 [19:43:55] <MrSlaughter1775> Bash still isn't
recognizing the command "optirun"
2298 [19:44:00] <_0xbadc0de_> how do I rescale my window?
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2300 [19:44:15] <mutante> drwarner: oh.. gotcha! well, i think
trying testing is a good idea then
2301 [19:44:26] <MrSlaughter1775> I used this command to install,
per the wiki: sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus
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2303 [19:45:28] <MrSlaughter1775> I tried to run the install again
and I get this: Media change: please insert the disc labeled
2304 [19:45:28] <MrSlaughter1775> 'Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0
_Stretch_ - Official amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 20180310-11:21
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2310 [19:45:56] <MrSlaughter1775> Idk why I would need to insert
my bootable usb...
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2314 [19:46:30] <MrSlaughter1775> I'm sorry: Media change:
please insert the disc labeled
2315 [19:46:30] <MrSlaughter1775> 'Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0
_Stretch_ - Official amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 20180310-11:21'in
the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter]
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2319 [19:47:05] <AndreasLutro> usually means you downloaded the
wrong iso - but you can try to mount the usb stick as /media/cdrom,
that's worked for me at least once
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2323 [19:47:34] <MrSlaughter1775> Gr...
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2326 [19:49:10] <alkisg> MrSlaughter1775: you can remove the cd
from your /etc/apt/sources.list if you don't want it to prompt
you
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2332 [19:50:52] <PerfDave> When you do an install from a full
CD/DVD (rather than netinst) it assumes you want to use that medium
for installing packages later.
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2335 [19:51:31] <MrSlaughter1775> alkisg, I believe that worked.
Thank you.
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2341 [19:52:51] <_0xbadc0de_> hey
2342 [19:52:57] <_0xbadc0de_> anyone using byobu=
2343 [19:52:59] <_0xbadc0de_> ?
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2368 [20:03:09] <_0xbadc0de_> 2
2369 [20:03:10] <_0xbadc0de_> 2
2370 [20:03:10] <_0xbadc0de_> 2
2371 [20:03:32] <JordiGH> 3?
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2373 [20:03:52] <_0xbadc0de_> 2
2374 [20:03:53] <_0xbadc0de_> 2
2375 [20:03:54] <_0xbadc0de_> 3
2376 [20:03:57] <_0xbadc0de_> 1
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2378 [20:04:40] <JordiGH> 3!!! ^.^
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2435 [20:26:04] <velix> Can I rent a debian packager? :D
2436 [20:26:53] <JordiGH> velix: Try #debian-devel in OFTC,
although here might work too.
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2438 [20:27:58] <mutante> velix: maybe put it on ethlance.com
2439 [20:28:07] <velix> k
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2491 [20:50:56] <ledoktre> Greetings. Anyone here know how of a
deb for libneon 2.9 or greater for Debian Jessie? All the public
debs I find seem to be 2.7.
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2506 [20:57:26] <PerfDave> ledoktre: Why would you want such a
thing? (and any reason you're running Jessie instead of
Stretch?)
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2511 [20:58:13] <ledoktre> Sorry I wrote wrong. I am on stretch
2512 [20:58:39] <ledoktre> The reason is because I wanted to play
around with Asterisk and the Exchange Calendar integration. It
requires 2.9
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2517 [20:59:40] <OS-37579> /msg NickServ REGISTER
2518 [21:00:10] <annadane> OS-37579, stop before you tell us your
password
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2521 [21:00:18] <annadane> mind the space with your /
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2527 [21:01:32] <annadane> also is OS-whatever even a registered
nick? idk
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2547 [21:09:41] <velix> JordiGH: The help from #debian-devel was
"the right way is build it as is" :)
2548 [21:09:54] <velix> JordiGH: debian community hasn't
changed in 10 years as I met it first :)
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2555 [21:11:29] <velix> User: I need help. Community: No,
you're just doing it wrong.
2556 [21:11:54] <JordiGH> velix: I thought you were asking about
paying someone to package something for you.
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2559 [21:12:41] <velix> JordiGH: Yeah, if I can't get it on
my own. Actually, building it with java solves my problem. But I
want to learn, how to drop the java component :)
2560 [21:13:01] <velix> JordiGH: but hey, it's 9pm only.
I've got plenty of hours left to figure it out myself.
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2575 [21:16:15] <Bosma> `journalctl --user` gives "No journal
files were found." for any user service
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2591 [21:27:44] <ledoktre> PerfDave: Dont know if you saw the
reply. I made a mistake- I am on Stretch. Reason for the library is
I wanted to play with Asterisk and its calendar/Exchange/CalDAV/EWS
integration. 2.9 is Asterisk's requirement for 15.x
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2650 [21:52:05] <password2_> Hi , I have a bit of an offtopic
question , hope I'm not being too offtopic. Does anyone know of
a way to read ext4 partitions on windows?
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2655 [21:53:50] <password2_> or better yet , can I set up an
virtual that will read those partitions?
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2657 [21:54:24] <alkisg> password2_: e.g. debian in virtualbox in
windows can read physical ext partitions
2658 [21:55:01] <password2_> alkisg: thats awesome
2659 [21:55:02] <RoyK> password2_: a vm on virtualbox should be
able to read it - there's an ext4 port to windows as well, but
I'm not sure how well that works - I don't use windoze
2660 [21:55:24] <password2_> yeah , sadly i decided to revert o
windows
2661 [21:55:33] <RoyK> traitor!
2662 [21:55:33] <RoyK> :D
2663 [21:55:56] <password2_> :D
2664 [21:55:59] <alkisg> well then boot from a live cd and migrate
ext data to ntfs...
2665 [21:56:02] <password2_> my server will remain debian
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2679 [22:01:18] <digdilem> password2_, i've used this in the
past. I think it does ext4 as well as 2/3:
replaced-url
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2681 [22:01:41] <password2_> digdilem: i tired that , but
windon't moaned about signed drivers D:
2682 [22:01:58] <RoyK> password2_: well, setup a vm -
shouldn't take too long
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2686 [22:02:20] <digdilem> yeah, it does that. just read some
comments and it seems it's a little prone to corruption, so
maybe best not to use it after all
2687 [22:02:55] <RoyK> probably not a lot of corruption if mounted
read-only if you can do that in a good way on windoze
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2689 [22:03:36] <password2_> actully i need to grab oracle first
2690 [22:03:44] <password2_> which might take some time
2691 [22:03:45] <digdilem> ive used it without issue to read stuff
(i think it'll ro mount itself). but ymmv
2692 [22:03:56] <RoyK> password2_: oracle? the dbms?
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2694 [22:04:06] <password2_> oracle virtualbox
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2704 [22:08:29] <Guest32976> is there a userspace utility to
generate a crypt? the one discussed in man 3 crypt
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2706 [22:08:51] <Guest32976> I'm generating a preseed and
need to crypt a root password
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2744 [22:23:39] <hicks_> check mkpasswd
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2746 [22:24:17] <hicks_> "mkpasswd -m help" will list
what options it can handle, des should get you crypt
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2748 [22:24:51] <RoyK> des56 is about as secure as - well - des56
- broken in an hour or so back in 1998
2749 [22:25:05] <RoyK> for a modern GPU, milliseconds
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2755 [22:26:50] <hicks_> yep :)
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2763 [22:28:56] <RoyK> mkpasswd -m sha-512 user:pass
2764 [22:28:58] <RoyK> perhaps
2765 [22:29:02] <hicks_> If you want bcrypt or similar, I'm
not sure it'll support that, you may have to do a script in
python.
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2782 [22:35:07] <Guest32976> sha-512 is good enough
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2785 [22:35:28] <RoyK> sha-512 should suffice for some years, yes
2786 [22:35:52] <Guest32976> if i only provide the -m sha-512
switch, will it automatically use a random salt?
2787 [22:36:06] <greycat> TIAS
2788 [22:36:08] <hicks_> I believe so, but check the man page.
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2791 [22:37:17] <RoyK> hicks_: the manpage is scarce - but afaics
it uses a random salt - just try it a few times
2792 [22:37:36] <Tenkawa> RoyK: anything in the /usr/doc tree?
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2794 [22:38:09] <Guest32976> man page isn't super clear on
what the behavior is if no salt switch or value is specified.
2795 [22:38:10] <RoyK> I usually just read the manual page, which
it should be
2796 [22:38:14] <Tenkawa> er /usr/share/doc
2797 [22:38:25] <Tenkawa> might be some more info
2798 [22:38:48] <Guest32976> output seems to include a salt though
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2815 [22:44:43] <RoyK> Tenkawa: for ((x=1; x<=1024; x++)) ; do
mkpasswd -m sha-512 user:pass ; done | sort -u ;)
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2840 [22:59:29] <Guest32976> is debian-installer's
partman-auto custom recipe capable of GPT?
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2845 [23:00:38] <Thedarkb-X40> If I try Debian again, will my wifi
just softblock itself irreparably again?
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2847 [23:01:31] <Guest32976> nvm
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2855 [23:04:50] <SwitchMaster> #offsec
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2926 [23:36:06] <Raptors> Hey guys I need some help. I have debian
8 VPC and I am trying to install
replaced-url
2927 [23:37:15] <Raptors> how do I go about installing this?
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2931 [23:39:17] <awal1> ,v python3-webencodings
2932 [23:39:18] <judd> Package: python3-webencodings on amd64 --
buster: 0.5-2; sid: 0.5-2; stretch: 0.5-2
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2936 [23:39:58] <Raptors> I'm an idiot. I should have started
with Stretch, but I chose 8 because I though it'd be more
stable given it's a ultra low end box :(
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2942 [23:42:55] <Raptors> could I just use the stretch repo and
grab that 1 package?
2943 [23:42:58] <Raptors> I guess I'll hit up google
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2958 [23:49:54] <Bosma> If I do `systemd --user status
<myservice>` I see a few recent log lines (and status of
service), but if I do `journalctl --user -u <myservice>` it
says "No journal files were found."
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2961 [23:51:42] <Pobega> Hi, curious if it's possible to
remove the package `gnome-software` without removing the entire
`gnome` package? It doesn't really seem to me like Gnome should
depend on a graphical package manager
2962 [23:51:54] <morenoh149> I have a daemon that starts up a
docker container, is it okay to place an env_file as a sibling to
the daemon or should daemons be as self-contained as possible?
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