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• 55[00:20:08] <hxmuller> good news, able to boot into shell with 4.17 on Ryzen 3 2200g
• 56[00:20:55] <annadane> \o/
• 57[00:21:29] <hxmuller> looks like I have to figure out how to have make-kpkg create the initrd along with the image.
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• 60[00:22:04] <hxmuller> because the initrd I manually created is junk
• 61[00:22:50] <hxmuller> no screen corruption, woot!
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• 65[00:23:54] <dorin_ro> hey
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• 67[00:24:22] <hxmuller> hay
• 68[00:24:27] <annadane> hoy
• 69[00:24:29] <dorin_ro> is there an alternative to easystroke ?
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• 71[00:24:41] <annadane> living a stress free life?
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• 73[00:25:10] <annadane> not answering questions in #bash?
• 74[00:25:14] <annadane> (sorry)
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• 76[00:25:35] <dorin_ro> I need a gesture-recognition application. What do you recomand me ?
• 77[00:25:39] <hxmuller> lol
• 78[00:26:07] <annadane> i think... xdotool can do it?
• 79[00:26:11] <annadane> not sure
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• 83[00:27:20] <hxmuller> linux gesture stuff: replaced-url
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• 85[00:27:30] <hxmuller> thanks google
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• 88[00:29:12] <dorin_ro> ty, but i havent found any of them on debian repository, the eazystroke gives me a build error
• 89[00:29:49] <annadane> ,v xdotool
• 90[00:29:50] <judd> Package: xdotool on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.20100701.2961-3+deb7u3; jessie: 1:3.20140805.1-2; buster: 1:3.20160805.1-3; sid: 1:3.20160805.1-3; stretch: 1:3.20160805.1-3
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• 92[00:29:55] <annadane> it's available in stretch
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• 95[00:31:17] <dorin_ro> ty, i will give xdotool a try
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• 114[00:38:29] <michael2> does anyone know what the "key board layout dialogue of the installer is about"? example:
• 115[00:38:34] <michael2> replaced-url
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• 119[00:39:35] <michael2> I only speak english - so I dont really understand how other languages work
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• 121[00:40:18] <annadane> it just means map the keyboard to other keyboard types, i assume there are different standards for languages based on the QWERTY keyboard
• 122[00:40:23] <annadane> (this is a guess, though)
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• 126[00:41:17] <annadane> and i think it sets the keyboard layout in general, not just the installer
• 127[00:41:25] <sandungas> yep
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• 129[00:41:39] <sandungas> is incase you have a special kayboard layout for a non-englih language
• 130[00:41:44] <annadane> i don't actually know how it works if you have DVORAK or some other really obscure thing
• 131[00:41:48] <hxmuller> michael2: what annadane said. the Brits keyboards are different than the Yanks.
• 132[00:42:05] <sandungas> and all other countries XD
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• 136[00:43:22] <michael2> so you mean like if I choose the "french" layout and press the "A" key on my keyboard the "french keyboard layout" will rewrite that and send a if I download from a different machine and
• 137[00:43:23] <michael2> │ | install using dpkg -i console-data - will that package be properly integrated into apt/dpkg and receive updates etc?
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• 139[00:43:36] <sandungas> there are variations of the querty keyboard btw
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• 141[00:43:46] <michael2> gah, sorry copy paste mistake
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• 144[00:44:09] <sandungas> im writing now from a spanish qwerty keyboard, most keys are located like in english, but i have a couple weird ones
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• 146[00:44:14] <sandungas> Ñ and Ç mostly XD
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• 151[00:46:16] <annadane> and yet i still don't know how to run i3 because i want to set some other meta key other than the windows key because it's way on the other side of the arrow keys so i can't switch programs with one hand
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• 162[00:49:17] <michael2> sandungas: so by choosing the "spanish keyboard layout" that means when you press certain physical keys on your keyboard the "spanish keyboard layout" remaps those physical keypresses to produces different logical (binary) character sequences - e.g. say as viewed by hexedit ?
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• 164[00:50:07] <sandungas> well is not a remap, is loaded like that
• 165[00:50:23] <sandungas> is like the specs of the keyboard
• 166[00:50:24] <michael2> so its at a hardware level?
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• 168[00:50:32] <sandungas> and most keys matches with the standards
• 169[00:50:36] <sandungas> yes
• 170[00:50:53] <sandungas> the keys that changes across the keyboard types are mostly the special ones
• 171[00:50:57] <hxmuller> ok, next step in the Ryzen 3 2200g project is to get Debian installed onto the system. I have currently created a USB which boots on the system, any pointers to installing from USB to the system?
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• 173[00:51:02] <sandungas> for ALT+stuff
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• 175[00:51:23] <sandungas> also.. the ones ear "return" key
• 176[00:51:45] <annadane> hxmuller, the general way is cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX where sdX is your device, and then sync
• 177[00:52:00] <annadane> oh, unless you mean debian is already on the USB
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• 179[00:52:17] <hxmuller> annadane: cool, Debian is installed on the USB, but I get your drift
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• 181[00:52:37] <sandungas> 2400g love :)
• 182[00:52:39] <hxmuller> basically an rsync to the system's harddrive
• 183[00:52:41] <annadane> replaced-url
• 184[00:52:44] <michael2> sandungas: so its like say intel make some USB XYZ123 model keyboard that you "plug and play" - the available keyboard layouts will be limited to whatever that XYZ123 model supports?
• 185[00:52:45] <sandungas> i liked that toys
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• 187[00:53:28] <sandungas> is like a requirement for language support
• 188[00:53:47] <sandungas> lets say... at some point there was a need to invent a standarization for key layouts
• 189[00:53:55] <sandungas> and every language needs different keys
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• 191[00:54:12] <annadane> if you're chinese, you most assuredly want a chinese keyboard
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• 193[00:54:56] <sandungas> yep, even changes the character map
• 194[00:54:58] <michael2> you mean there was a "need" to tap into the profit potential to sell keyboards to the hundreds of millions of spanish speaking people inthe world?
• 195[00:55:04] <sandungas> cirylic for russian
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• 197[00:55:25] <hxmuller> annadane: I had to create a root filesystem using cdebootstrap on the USB, the installer doesn't work (corrupts video), then I compiled the kernel and installed it
• 198[00:55:31] <annadane> though now i wonder whether the installer comes in as many languages as there are keyboard layouts
• 199[00:55:35] <hxmuller> I don't see where the install manual covers that case
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• 204[00:56:10] <annadane> ah, alrighty. sorry, wasn't clear from context, or i may be dumb, entirely possible
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• 206[00:56:40] <michael2> but sometimes chinese people have to use the same keyboards as the rest of us. so its the keyboards software/firmware that generate the keys. oh well whatever... Im going to forget this and continue with my install :)
• 207[00:57:17] <sandungas> michael2 without that standards for keyboards... every keyboard manufacture should publish some kind of "driver" or profile file for supportuing whatever stuff they manufacturers
• 208[00:57:33] <hxmuller> annadane: no worries, I think the rsync will work. rebuilding the root filesystem and recompiling the kernel WITH an initrd this time. will get results tomorrow.
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• 210[00:57:45] <annadane> rsync probably will work, yeah
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• 227[01:04:13] <michael2> is there any way for me to list what keyboard layout I currently have selected?
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• 232[01:05:29] <sandungas> while installing ?
• 233[01:05:35] <sandungas> you can step back iirc
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• 236[01:06:24] <michael2> Ive had to run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-layout"
• 237[01:06:44] <hxmuller> michael2: $ cat /etc/default/keyboard
• 238[01:06:44] <michael2> and choose diferent layouts all of which are not working
• 239[01:06:59] <hxmuller> that will tell you what' is currently in use
• 240[01:07:19] <michael2> hxmuller: worked perfectly thanks
• 241[01:07:40] <hxmuller> \o/
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• 243[01:07:57] <michael2> woo :)
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• 245[01:08:15] <sandungas> best test is to open a text document, and start typing
• 246[01:08:22] <sandungas> verify the special keys :)
• 247[01:08:24] <hxmuller> lol
• 248[01:08:27] <sandungas> alt+something
• 249[01:08:40] <annadane> if "hail satan" comes out, consider replacing the keyboard
• 250[01:08:41] <michael2> then open with hexedit?
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• 253[01:08:52] <rihan_> Hi debian
• 254[01:09:18] <rihan_> I am running debian testing, x64 system, thinkpad t440
• 255[01:09:35] <hxmuller> nice
• 256[01:09:40] <rihan_> I am facing unicode support for google-chrome and firefox
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• 259[01:10:34] <rihan_> Unicode fonts are rendered as square blocks in google chrome and firefox. Is it something to do with /etc/fonts ?
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• 261[01:10:41] <annadane> the channel for testing/sid is #debian-next on the oftc network (irc.oftc.net), they might be able to help you better
• 262[01:10:58] <rihan_> ok
• 263[01:11:01] <rihan_> thanks
• 264[01:11:04] <annadane> though that sounds general enough to perhaps also be answered here
• 265[01:11:04] <michael2> debian testing is the sort of stable archive right? and "unstable" is the dangerously unstable - is that right?
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• 267[01:11:38] <annadane> it's... not really dangerously unstable, if you know how to use it
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• 269[01:11:53] <rihan_> michael2: I have installed google-chrome-stable from google official website on debian testing. But its not specific to browser
• 270[01:12:02] <rihan_> even the same issue is with firefox
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• 272[01:12:22] <annadane> "unstable" itself refers to the frequency of package changes, not "likely to break"
• 273[01:12:27] <rihan_> Both browsers are unable to render unicode fonts. Square blocks appear
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• 275[01:12:49] <michael2> annadane: ok well unstable is _more_ dangerously unstable than testing - shall we say?
• 276[01:13:03] <rihan_> where can I get real help folks ?
• 277[01:13:08] <hxmuller> is there a difference between testing and unstable? i thought they were the same
• 278[01:13:13] <annadane> in general yes testing can catch some of the more dramatic explosions
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• 280[01:13:48] <annadane> hxmuller, replaced-url
• 281[01:13:52] <michael2> rihan_: you need to have the corresponding fonts which have mappings for the code points the webpages are trying to show
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• 283[01:14:11] <hxmuller> 404 not found
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• 285[01:15:14] <annadane> well, basically, package from unstable get moved to testing within 2-10 days if there aren't critical bugs and it builds on all architectures and has satisfiable dependencies
• 286[01:15:16] <sandungas> lol@ dramatic explosions
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• 288[01:15:31] <annadane> 2 for security, but nominally about 10 days for regular packages, AFAIK
• 289[01:15:35] <annadane> i don't really use testing
• 290[01:16:06] <rihan_> michael2: Why it doesnt work out of box in testing ?
• 291[01:16:55] <sandungas> rihan_, have you changed the user fonts, and which language you use ?
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• 294[01:17:00] <michael2> I dont know - I was just explaining what you need to have in place for it to work
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• 298[01:18:30] <sandungas> incase of doubt use the google "noto" font
• 299[01:19:00] <sandungas> the name noto means "no tofu"... is designed to not display any of that weird missiang character "squares"
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• 301[01:19:15] <michael2> sandungas: they will have to run: fc-cache after they add the "noto" font too right?
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• 304[01:19:54] <sandungas> not sure, in my actual debian installation with mate desktop it looks are installed
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• 307[01:20:38] <michael2> oh, ok so how do you use the "noto" font do you need to select it from browser preferences?
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• 309[01:21:25] <hxmuller> annadane: why does testing have a cross-dependency problem and unstable not (it wasn't identified as an issue for unstable)
• 310[01:21:51] <annadane> i'm unclear as to what cross dependency means in this context
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• 312[01:22:33] <hxmuller> yes, it's unclear to me why that wouldn't be a problem for unstable too
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• 314[01:22:50] <annadane> i mean i don't understand what the term means
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• 317[01:23:21] <rihan_> sandungas: here is the link when I launch google-chrome from terminal replaced-url
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• 321[01:24:01] <annadane> hxmuller, anyway, the people in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net may be able to elucidate further
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• 323[01:24:06] <annadane> it's maybe a bit off topic for #debian
• 324[01:24:19] <rihan_> sandungas: No I havent changed the user fonts
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• 326[01:24:21] <hxmuller> indeed, I will be spending time there for sure
• 327[01:26:26] <sandungas> uhhh, lot of warnings and errors relate with fonts rihan_ sorry but i cant help, im just a rookie
• 328[01:26:43] <rihan_> sandungas: the same issue occurs with firefox. Both major browsers are rendering unicode fonts like chinese, hindi, marathi
• 329[01:27:04] <rihan_> no worries
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• 346[01:33:37] <annadane> copying the .mozilla folder also copies the bookmarks, right? i'm 99% sure the answer's yes but want to be sure
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• 351[01:35:14] <rihan_> ok guys
• 352[01:35:43] <rihan_> I want to know how to reconfigure fontconfig safely. My system debian-testing x64.
• 353[01:36:05] <rihan_> I want to try solving the unicode rendering with fontconfig
• 354[01:36:09] <michael2> annadane: for firefox?
• 355[01:36:15] <annadane> yes
• 356[01:36:16] <rihan_> Here is the link replaced-url
• 357[01:36:45] <michael2> annadane: I think the folder you want is the "profiles" it will be a folder that looks something like:
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• 361[01:37:41] <michael2> /home/annadane/.mozilla/firefox/k1kg2grw.default
• 362[01:38:18] <annadane> well, i have .mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini
• 363[01:38:30] <annadane> oh and the .default
• 364[01:38:33] <annadane> yeah so that's in that
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• 366[01:38:37] <annadane> so i can just copy .mozilla
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• 368[01:38:55] <michael2> well mozillas the whole enchilada
• 369[01:39:03] <annadane> yeah, which is fine
• 370[01:39:20] <michael2> but you want to be able to re-use those bookmarks I take it?
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• 372[01:39:53] <annadane> er... yes, i suppose so
• 373[01:40:09] <michael2> the way I know how to achieve that is to load the profile back into firefox
• 374[01:40:18] <srruby> I'm on buster and gnome-terminal still doesn't work
• 375[01:40:29] <annadane> actually i'm fairly sure i just copy the .mozilla and all the bookmarks come back
• 376[01:40:42] <annadane> srruby, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 379[01:41:24] <srruby> gnome-terminal didn't work on stretch either
• 380[01:42:18] <michael2> annadane: well if it works then thats ok, but you are really taking more than is necessary - its like installing gnome-desktop to get gnome-calculator
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• 383[01:42:59] <annadane> point taken though, thnaks
• 384[01:43:00] <annadane> thanks*
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• 387[01:43:47] <sandungas> im imagining other way, not sure if it will work though
• 388[01:44:06] <sandungas> you can go to bookmarks in firefox... then "show all bookmarks"... and "backup" them
• 389[01:44:19] <sandungas> ...then uninstall firefox.... and install it again
• 390[01:44:31] <sandungas> ...and load the backuped bookmarks
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• 398[01:51:42] <michael2> sandungas: would that wipe all the data? e.g. cache, history, open tabs etc? Im guessing not ?
• 399[01:52:04] <michael2> apt likes to leave that stuff on the system usually
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• 403[01:52:54] <sandungas> not sure because never tryed it in debian, but in windows that resets all settings
• 404[01:53:10] <sandungas> is like a fresh firefox install
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• 408[01:55:26] <annadane> "it works in windows"
• 409[01:55:32] * annadane shrug
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• 429[02:12:40] <hxmuller> annadane: apologies, I just found section D.3 Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System, which does cover my case. thanks!
• 430[02:13:37] <annadane> oh, neat
• 431[02:13:41] <annadane> okeep that in mind for future
• 432[02:13:45] <annadane> i'll keep that*
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• 434[02:15:44] <hxmuller> instead of attaching the hard drive to this system, i'll just make sure I have all the right tools on the working USB system.
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• 445[02:20:20] <rihan_> installing font-config reconfigure google nato-fonts fixed the unicode support feature
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• 447[02:21:51] <annadane> !win rihan_
• 448[02:21:52] <dpkg> Congratulations, rihan_! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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• 451[02:23:40] <rihan_> annadane: thank you!
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• 460[02:32:06] <Abrax> hey jim
• 461[02:32:15] <Abrax> the image you gave me wont boot?
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• 490[02:50:38] <CrowX-> I created a debian lxc container and I used 'none' as network type. When I get in the container, ifconfig shows the network interface of the host, but internet isn't working on it
• 491[02:50:47] <CrowX-> what am I missing?
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• 494[02:52:18] <karlpinc> CrowX-: Is there routing?
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• 496[02:53:03] <oerheks> replaced-url
• 497[02:53:50] <CrowX-> karlpinc, what do you mean?
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• 499[02:54:14] <CrowX-> karlpinc, routing where/how?
• 500[02:54:46] <oerheks> none: will cause the container to share the host's network namespace. This means the host network devices are usable in the container. .. i think you want .empty ?
• 501[02:54:54] <oerheks> replaced-url
• 502[02:55:02] <CrowX-> karlpinc, another thing I'd like to note is that I have another container with exactly the same lxc configuration, but that one is using debian wheezy and that one has internet working on it
• 503[02:55:24] <CrowX-> oerheks, empty would make the container not to have any network.
• 504[02:55:35] <CrowX-> with none I want to use the host's network
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• 521[03:11:16] <hxmuller> CrowX: Unfortunately I can't be of much help because my lxc experience is dated. But I remember using veth and bridging to network my lxc containers
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• 525[03:12:44] <hxmuller> CrowX: also, the link oerheks supplied (issue 117) has a link to interesting reading: replaced-url
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• 529[03:16:14] <oerheks> I have no knowledge of an usercase that uses none actually
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• 536[03:20:14] <Abrax> what should i format the usb to for debian
• 537[03:20:28] <Abrax> it only formats to ntfs or fat32 for some odd reason
• 538[03:20:29] <somiaj> Abrax: do you mean to install debian?
• 539[03:20:34] <Abrax> ya
• 540[03:20:37] <Abrax> to boot from usb
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• 542[03:21:02] <somiaj> Abrax: you shouldn't format it, the debian .iso already contains a bootloader/partition table. What os are you making the usb from, and what debian iso are you using?
• 543[03:21:23] <Abrax> making the usb from windows
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• 545[03:21:52] <somiaj> !win32diskimager
• 546[03:21:53] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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• 548[03:21:57] <somiaj> Use that
• 549[03:22:20] <somiaj> bascailly you just need to do a raw rite (no formatting, messing iwht) of the .iso to the usb drive.
• 550[03:22:20] <Abrax> ok
• 551[03:22:37] <Abrax> so ill just make the usb raw again
• 552[03:22:56] <Abrax> iso to usb doesnt like to burn to raw
• 553[03:23:23] <somiaj> you dn'[t need to do anything to the usb
• 554[03:23:26] <hxmuller> use the program he mentioned
• 555[03:23:38] <somiaj> just write the iso to the usb using the program given. It will destroy all data on the usb and make you a bootable debian image.
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• 557[03:23:47] <Abrax> ah nice k
• 558[03:23:51] <hxmuller> yup
• 559[03:24:00] <hxmuller> it works like a charm
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• 563[03:24:55] <hxmuller> so many sleepy Macs
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• 567[03:27:29] <Abrax> what happens if its an ISO
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• 569[03:27:35] <Abrax> cant find my iso
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• 571[03:27:49] <Abrax> nm found it
• 572[03:27:56] <Abrax> had to switch from .img
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• 577[03:29:14] <hxmuller> Anyone used the 'file://' mirror argument in cdebootstrap? I am wondering if I can just dump all the debs into a directory and run dpkg-scanpackages on it, then point cdebootstrap to that
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• 580[03:30:09] <initself> i can't find start-stop-daemon in aptitude
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• 582[03:30:20] <initself> is there a reason?
• 583[03:30:50] <initself> it's a part of dpkg?
• 584[03:31:00] <Abrax> access denied?
• 585[03:31:07] <initself> never mind
• 586[03:31:10] <initself> i do have it, as root
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• 588[03:32:31] <hxmuller> Abrax: probably have to run it as administrator
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• 591[03:33:26] <hxmuller> I haven't used Windows in a long time, but I think if you right click, you can select 'run as'
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• 596[03:36:41] <somiaj> initself: why not just use a systemd unit file, it is far necier than start-stop-daemon and a crazy init.d script
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• 598[03:38:07] <Abrax> oh nm
• 599[03:38:13] <Abrax> its the new win 10 ransomware protection thing
• 600[03:38:29] <Abrax> you have to allow every exe now to run......
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• 602[03:38:48] <Abrax> have to put it in a whitelist
• 603[03:39:12] <somiaj> that really isn't that new, any .exe that requires admin rights (to write to the usb device) has required some 'click yes to proceeded' for quite a while in windows.
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• 606[03:39:41] <somiaj> but yes, if they don't just give you a pop up and click yes, it may have changed
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• 609[03:41:51] <Abrax> its something different than what you think
• 610[03:41:55] <Abrax> you have to add to a whitelist now
• 611[03:42:22] <Abrax> a whitelist of exes that can run
• 612[03:43:15] <Abrax> they wont run without being in the whitelist
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• 617[03:47:31] <jim> Abrax, maybe wrong cpu?
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• 632[03:56:44] <jim> Abrax, did you find out what the problem was with the image I linked you to?
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• 645[04:05:44] <Abrax> its fine i got it running
• 646[04:06:07] <Abrax> its installing now
• 647[04:06:52] <jim> what was the problem?
• 648[04:07:58] <sandungas> microsoft
• 649[04:08:10] <sandungas> lucky debian is acepting windows refugees (like me)
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• 651[04:09:01] <somiaj> jim: I had to point them to win32diskimager, so probably due to how they made the usb bootable
• 652[04:09:06] <guru> Is there a debian repo with modsecurity for nginx where I don't have to compile manually?
• 653[04:09:31] <jim> oh ok
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• 655[04:09:38] <jim> somiaj, thanks
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• 657[04:09:52] <somiaj> guru: if it isn't included in debian, then you may have to search for third party repos. I don't know of any.
• 658[04:10:18] <Abrax> i just had to get imagewriter to put it on
• 659[04:10:23] <Abrax> the disk
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• 663[04:11:26] <sandungas> Abrax, best 2 options are win32diskimager ...or... unetbooting
• 664[04:11:47] <sandungas> the (probably only) advantage of unetbooting is it allows to create bootable usb sticks with other distros
• 665[04:13:08] <Abrax> oh neat
• 666[04:13:19] <Abrax> i will try debian for now on that machine
• 667[04:13:33] <Abrax> its a non gaming machine so
• 668[04:13:45] <Abrax> i think it will be fine
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• 670[04:14:07] <jim> sandungas, well that unetbootin thing will alter the image, and it usually doesn't work right
• 671[04:14:33] <sandungas> ok
• 672[04:14:42] <sandungas> but it supports debian 9.4
• 673[04:14:58] <sandungas> i guess they tryes to keep it updated
• 674[04:15:22] <jim> "supports" it? so it's aware of 9.4 somehow?
• 675[04:15:36] <sandungas> yes, it even offers you to download the iso
• 676[04:15:48] <sandungas> is better to provide the iso yourself though
• 677[04:15:57] <sandungas> debian netiso small one
• 678[04:16:42] <Abrax> i am just hoping this iso allows me to use my wireless
• 679[04:16:42] <jim> but, the main thing is, the image is already bootable, and the usual thing to do is find something (like dd or rufus for win) that just writes the image without changing it in any way
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• 681[04:17:31] <Abrax> will see when it finishes
• 682[04:17:41] <sandungas> yes, agreed, is better to dont modify the original files from the iso
• 683[04:17:47] <sandungas> just incase
• 684[04:17:59] <jim> Abrax, if I recall correctly, that's the firmware version... it should have connected pretty early
• 685[04:18:21] <jim> (as most netinstalls try to do)
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• 695[04:22:10] <sandungas> btw, debian 9.5 is about to be released (i guess)
• 696[04:22:13] <jim> Abrax, did it already install the base?
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• 698[04:22:40] <sandungas> the timespan in between previous "point versions" was 3 months... for 9.5 they are 4 months right now
• 699[04:22:50] <Abrax> ya
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• 701[04:23:04] <Abrax> and its console apparently
• 702[04:23:08] <sandungas> so check at debian page in the next days if you repeat thwe installation Abrax ;)
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• 704[04:23:31] <jim> Abrax, did it say anything about the net?
• 705[04:24:00] <Abrax> i installed the network mirror
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• 708[04:24:17] <Abrax> apparently this linux distro does not boot directly into gnome
• 709[04:24:29] <Abrax> it goes straight to console
• 710[04:24:45] <somiaj> Abrax: what install image did you use?
• 711[04:24:49] <sandungas> did you unckecked all the software install options ?
• 712[04:24:55] <jim> Abrax, the install is finished and you booted into it?
• 713[04:24:58] <sandungas> if you did... the yeah it boots to console
• 714[04:25:09] <sandungas> *then
• 715[04:25:37] <somiaj> the netinstall without a network connection won't give the option to install other software, and often times non-free firmware is needed.
• 716[04:25:38] <Abrax> ya jim
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• 718[04:25:43] <Abrax> it booted to console
• 719[04:25:57] <sandungas> hmm ok
• 720[04:26:14] <jim> ok, cool, that's one way... are you root at the moment?
• 721[04:26:25] <Abrax> nah i went in as my username
• 722[04:26:29] <Abrax> i can switch to root
• 723[04:26:30] <jim> ok
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• 725[04:27:04] <Abrax> was gnome not installed?
• 726[04:27:17] <jim> since you're in, could you run... lspci -nn | grep -i net | wc -l
• 727[04:27:32] <sandungas> it was something you needed to select in one of the install configurations screen
• 728[04:27:36] <somiaj> or start with ip a (see if anything besides lo is detected)
• 729[04:27:43] <sandungas> aftre you are asked to "search for more discs" ?
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• 731[04:27:48] <sandungas> *at the time
• 732[04:28:01] <somiaj> sandungas: nothing needed to be selected, desktop is selected by default (unless there was no network connection using the net installer)
• 733[04:28:18] <somiaj> then tasksel is just skipped
• 734[04:28:29] <sandungas> i was thinking maybe he unckecked them
• 735[04:28:41] <jim> Abrax, probably what you have is a very minimal debian, with almost nothing except the basic ability to connect to the net, enough tools to solve core problems, the ability to boot and the ability to install more packages
• 736[04:28:43] <sandungas> but no, it seems it had no network
• 737[04:29:42] <jim> sandungas, so we try to solve that now
• 738[04:29:42] <Abrax> bash wc-l command not found
• 739[04:29:52] <Abrax> that is a lowercase L
• 740[04:29:59] <jim> oh, sorry, that's wc -l
• 741[04:30:03] <jim> yes
• 742[04:30:19] <jim> there's a space after the wc
• 743[04:30:37] <Abrax> nothing happened
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• 745[04:30:47] <jim> you didn't get a number?
• 746[04:30:53] <Abrax> ya just a 1
• 747[04:31:06] <Abrax> thats all it said
• 748[04:31:11] <jim> ok, take off the | wc -l and run it again
• 749[04:31:35] <jim> it means you have only one net device connected by pci
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• 751[04:32:26] <Abrax> ya looks like only the wired connection is showing
• 752[04:32:35] <Abrax> i know this thing has wireless
• 753[04:32:39] <jim> lspci -nn | grep -i net
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• 755[04:33:03] <Abrax> ya i did that
• 756[04:33:09] <Abrax> looks like just the wired card
• 757[04:33:15] <jim> try that, there will be a thing that looks like this: [1234:abcd]
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• 759[04:33:27] <jim> show that
• 760[04:34:05] <Abrax> 10ec:8168
• 761[04:34:06] <jim> Abrax, how are you ircing to us right now?
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• 764[04:34:18] <Abrax> i am using my windows machine
• 765[04:34:28] <jim> 10ec, realtek
• 766[04:34:39] <Abrax> ya thats right
• 767[04:34:56] <Abrax> it should have a wired card and a wireless but only showing that one
• 768[04:34:58] <jim> let's see what it says...
• 769[04:35:07] <jim> , pciid 10ec:8168
• 770[04:35:08] <judd> [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 771[04:35:26] <jim> got a cable? :)
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• 774[04:35:38] <somiaj> I almost think that is one of the wired cards that needs firmawre
• 775[04:35:52] <Abrax> i can dl from this machine and transfer
• 776[04:36:02] <jim> ok
• 777[04:36:05] <Abrax> just seems like it does not notice my wireless card
• 778[04:36:26] <jim> well let's see what interfaces it found... what's that dir...
• 779[04:36:36] <jim> ls /sys/class/net
• 780[04:37:04] <somiaj> Abrax: that is different, first 'ip a' if you only see lo, you'll need firmware. Another option 'dmesg | grep firmware'
• 781[04:37:53] <somiaj> some of the RTL8111's need firmware, specificlaly the RTL8111D-1 and -2, but not sure about that paticular one.
• 782[04:38:00] <Abrax> enp1s0 lo
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• 784[04:38:11] <jim> ok, it found your wired
• 785[04:38:17] <Abrax> ya
• 786[04:38:20] <somiaj> okay, you don't need firmawre, you might be able to just plug it in and get on the network
• 787[04:38:21] <Abrax> only found the wired
• 788[04:38:27] <jim> lo is your loopback interface
• 789[04:38:43] <jim> the other is your wired interface
• 790[04:38:45] <Abrax> having issues linux distros finding the wireless
• 791[04:39:32] <jim> I think we just need that firmware package for realtek firmware
• 792[04:39:39] <Abrax> ya
• 793[04:39:46] <Abrax> if we get that it might then detect the wireless as well
• 794[04:39:54] <jim> right
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• 797[04:40:30] <jim> because it's almost a given that the wireless is also realtek
• 798[04:40:36] <jim> 10ec
• 799[04:40:36] <Abrax> ya
• 800[04:40:59] <Abrax> does realtek have linux drivers?
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• 802[04:41:15] <jim> yes, otherwise we'd be sunk :)
• 803[04:41:29] <Abrax> 10ec is the one i might need?
• 804[04:41:58] <jim> 10ec is the code for the realtek brand
• 805[04:42:02] <Abrax> oh
• 806[04:42:14] <somiaj> anywas, I would get on the wired network, get a desktop installed, and then start worring about the wireless. It didn't show up intially in lspci, and if we can't find it in lscpi or lsusb, it is invisiable to linux
• 807[04:42:26] <Abrax> ya 10ec:8168
• 808[04:42:42] <somiaj> that is the wired card, the wireless will be a seperate entery
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• 810[04:43:03] <Abrax> its prob realtek as well
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• 812[04:43:16] <Abrax> just not sure where i can find the linux drivers
• 813[04:43:25] <somiaj> it doesn't matter what it is if it can't be seen
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• 815[04:43:49] <somiaj> so lets get you online, and then get the full output of lspci and lsusb, if there is no wireless card seen in that output, no driver is going to help
• 816[04:44:10] <Abrax> oh that would suck if linux just cant see it
• 817[04:44:14] <jim> Abrax, they're already in your kernel (most likely) we just need the firmware (not sure why we don't have it yet)
• 818[04:45:09] <somiaj> without any actual output, we can't do much except guess. So if possible used wired, and we can come back to the wireless issue
• 819[04:45:21] <jim> Abrax, so the easiest way to go right now, is if you have an extra ethernet cable, and a place on the router to plug it in
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• 821[04:46:21] <jim> we'll use the wired temporarily to get the firmware package, then we can start getting the wireless going
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• 823[04:46:59] <somiaj> I would get the DE up before dealing with the wireless
• 824[04:47:06] <Abrax> how would we be able to get it without knowing what it is
• 825[04:47:13] <jim> would dmesg | firmware help?
• 826[04:47:35] <somiaj> it could, but actual output would be needed, hence getting the machine online will help a ton
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• 828[04:47:57] <sandungas> and downloading a more complete iso ?
• 829[04:48:01] <sandungas> the dvd image
• 830[04:48:04] <jim> well he can transfer stuff, so:
• 831[04:48:10] <sandungas> i gues contains base system + gnome
• 832[04:48:25] <somiaj> Abrax: do you not have a wired connection you can use for the time being?
• 833[04:48:30] <Abrax> it would be easier for me to transfer instead of moving it across the house
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• 835[04:48:50] <somiaj> Abrax: full output of lspci and lsusb and also demsg | grep -i firmware could help
• 836[04:48:54] <jim> Abrax, can you get in as root ( run: su -, it will ask for root passwd )
• 837[04:49:29] <jim> lately dmesg has been protected from plain users
• 838[04:49:59] <zilion> Hi! I have installed iptables and iptables-persistent but does not have init system for start. Any solution?
• 839[04:50:04] <Abrax> i am in root
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• 841[04:50:17] <jim> ok
• 842[04:50:51] <Abrax> doing: demsg | grep -i
• 843[04:51:12] <somiaj> zilion: check this first, /usr/share/doc/iptables-persistent/README
• 844[04:51:57] <somiaj> zilion: seems is uses the netfilter-persistent.service, check 'systemctl status netfilter-persistent'
• 845[04:51:59] <Abrax> demsg command not found
• 846[04:52:05] <somiaj> Abrax: dmesg
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• 848[04:52:23] <somiaj> Abrax: my bad, misstyped it
• 849[04:52:29] <jim> could you run: (lspci ; echo ======== ; dmesg | grep -i firmware ) > dmesg-out
• 850[04:52:50] <zilion> somiaj: thanks
• 851[04:53:34] <Abrax> its just telling me how to use grep
• 852[04:54:07] <somiaj> Abrax: dmesg | grep -i firmware
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• 854[04:54:23] <Abrax> oh there we go
• 855[04:54:29] <Abrax> it came up with something
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• 857[04:54:44] <somiaj> Abrax: getting us the actual output could help
• 858[04:54:56] <Abrax> its pretty long
• 859[04:54:59] <Abrax> need the entire thing?
• 860[04:55:04] <jim> well that's what I'm trying to get him to do :)
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• 862[04:55:18] <somiaj> Abrax: run jim's command, put the output into a text file, copy the text file over, paste it at paste.debian.net
• 863[04:55:58] <jim> Abrax, could you run this: (lspci ; echo ======== ; dmesg | grep -i firmware ) > dmesg-out
• 864[04:56:18] <jim> then, the output we want will go into the file dmesg-out
• 865[04:56:42] <TheManWithNoSock>
• 866[04:56:52] <jim> transfer that file to the other machine, and from there pastebin it
• 867[04:57:27] <jim> (ya I know, this is a lot of effort, which will help us to help you
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• 869[04:57:29] <jim> )
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• 871[04:58:08] <jim> TheManWithNoSock, hmm?
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• 873[04:58:42] <TheManWithNoSock> jim, sorry, hit enter on wrong screen.
• 874[04:59:01] <jim> oh ok... no worries :)
• 875[04:59:29] <Abrax> [ 0332014] acpi PNP0A08:00: [Firmware Info]: MMCONFIG for domain 0000 [bus 00-3f]
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• 877[05:00:07] <Abrax> only partially covers this bridge
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• 879[05:00:39] <jim> Abrax brb... got some irl stuff going
• 880[05:00:58] <Abrax> not sure if that makes any sense to you
• 881[05:01:14] <somiaj> Abrax: it is just best if you can give us the full output instead of guess what is important
• 882[05:01:29] <somiaj> that firmware info isn't really important for your wireless issue
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• 886[05:03:54] <Abrax> ok let me see
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• 904[05:11:52] <jim> Abrax, would it work better if I put most of the info I think we need into one file, so you only have to transfer that one file?
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• 979[06:20:15] <brutser> Hi, how can i change an isolinux boot menu from an existing iso ?
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• 981[06:20:38] <brutser> i actually want to make some changes, test the boot menu, maybe change some more
• 982[06:20:47] <brutser> is there any easy way of doing this?
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• 992[06:27:13] <Tom_-> brutser, i don't think so, i think you need to remaster the iso
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• 1072[07:24:14] <ftwhtw> i want to code my own linux but don't know where to start
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• 1076[07:25:37] <yort> int main()
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• 1080[07:28:39] <annadane> ftwhtw, kind of wrong scope for this channel; try ##linux
• 1081[07:29:01] <ftwhtw> annadane: ok
• 1082[07:29:15] <Nautilus> also, a bit more work than you might expect
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• 1087[07:33:56] <ftwhtw> Nautilus: i am ready for the hardwork
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• 1089[07:34:19] <ftwhtw> good in assembly and c/c++/java
• 1090[07:34:31] <ftwhtw> just need to know write path
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• 1092[07:34:56] <Nautilus> well asm understanding means you do have some clue, but yow it's big
• 1093[07:35:30] <Nautilus> next Q would be ... why?
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• 1097[07:37:46] <ftwhtw> Nautilus: I had made a cluster of 20 intel i3 (trying to make a super computer)
• 1098[07:38:19] <ftwhtw> so i thought instead of using already availaible linux why not make own
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• 1102[07:38:59] <Nautilus> trim down an available linux? Kinda outta my league on that usage tho
• 1103[07:40:21] <Nautilus> if i were to try and make a super-computer I probably wouldn't start with i3's
• 1104[07:40:25] <annadane> once you go arch, you never go back, btw i use arch linux
• 1105[07:40:30] <annadane> (i actually don't)
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• 1107[07:40:36] <annadane> (soon?)
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• 1112[07:41:28] <ftwhtw> Nautilus: as i am just experimenting and write now have only i3
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• 1115[07:42:12] <ftwhtw> any other good processor
• 1116[07:43:04] <Nautilus> I think you need to decide on something to narrow in on, can't reinvent all in one lifetime
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• 1127[07:49:29] <ftwhtw> Nautilus: true enough
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• 1134[07:55:30] <jim> ftwhtw, why not look at that first email Linus sent in 1991, see what he started with
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• 1137[07:56:03] <jim> also, remember he was in tanenbaum's OS class
• 1138[07:56:52] <jim> why not get a copy of minix, and compare the first things linus did to that
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• 1141[07:57:20] <jim> and get tanenbaum's book on the subject
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• 1144[07:58:32] <darxmurf> damn how to configure NFS exports with differents rights on subfolders ?
• 1145[07:58:38] <ftwhtw> jim: already finish that book in 6th sem
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• 1147[07:59:06] <ftwhtw> jim: LFS is what i was looking
• 1148[07:59:31] <jim> ftwhtw, oh ok, that's the book that looks at minix, right?
• 1149[07:59:58] <darxmurf> I want to have /opt/ exported for client1 as read only and /opt/data exported for the same client but rw
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• 1151[08:00:17] <darxmurf> but the server keeps it ro
• 1152[08:01:06] <darxmurf> using NFS4
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• 1154[08:01:25] <jim> darxmurf, do you have two lines in /etc/exports?
• 1155[08:01:30] <darxmurf> yes
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• 1157[08:02:03] <ftwhtw> jim: yep tanubaum created early minix
• 1158[08:02:29] <jim> I got a copy of that long ago for mac
• 1159[08:02:47] <darxmurf> jim: I tried to swap the position of the lines but no change
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• 1173[08:11:08] <darxmurf> yep
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• 1228[08:40:40] <a_> hey
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• 1230[08:41:03] <a_> can you folks help me with the lpi 010-150?
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• 1233[08:41:44] <addkt> You alive rant?
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• 1235[08:42:31] <annadane> addkt, i think rant has it set so he only gets pinged if you start off your message by highlighting him
• 1236[08:42:37] <annadane> because "rant" is a common word
• 1237[08:42:44] <annadane> rant, ^
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• 1251[08:46:40] <addkt> @annadane, I'm slightly new to IRC. I don't know how to ping him by highlighting his name
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• 1253[08:46:47] <annadane> addkt, just by saying the name
• 1254[08:46:59] <addkt> like.....
• 1255[08:47:04] <addkt> @rant, you alive?
• 1256[08:47:11] <jim> addkt, this
• 1257[08:47:20] <annadane> don't need @ and some irc clients don't support it
• 1258[08:47:21] <jim> yep
• 1259[08:47:28] <annadane> i just highlighted him anyway before
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• 1262[08:47:49] <addkt> well thanks, anyhow... How are you 2?
• 1263[08:48:11] <jim> there are a couple non-irc chat things that do special things with @ and #, but not irc
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• 1266[08:52:34] <addkt> where can I read about these? You have a particular link I can read over that I can reference?
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• 1270[08:54:05] <naxuroqa> Hello! I see that toxync12 has been banned from this channel. It's a bot acting as a bridge between irc channels and channels on tox. Is there a way it could be allowed on this channel again?
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• 1273[08:54:49] <annadane> not certain what proper protocol is here, i can ping the ops but don't want to disturb them
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• 1276[08:56:20] <annadane> well, at the risk of being yelled at...
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• 1278[08:56:22] <annadane> !ops ^
• 1279[08:56:24] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: annadane complains about a problem (see above)
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• 1285[08:59:47] <plos> exit
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• 1291[09:00:28] <darxmurf> jim: a way to turn around this NFS issue is to create a /nfs/ folder, then mount bind all the folders inside that and declare that in my /etc/export
• 1292[09:00:31] <annadane> how many of them are awake, is another question :P
• 1293[09:00:40] <annadane> but just idle for a few hour
• 1294[09:00:41] <annadane> s
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• 1305[09:04:48] <naxuroqa> annadane, thank you :)
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• 1311[09:09:14] <zerocool> anyone know if an openldap proxy can have a different scheme than it is replicating from?
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• 1313[09:09:58] <zerocool> like can it have more attributes than the source?
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• 1393[09:57:31] <dosmanak> Hello, could you point me to documentation for apt repository? Why official repo does not have InRelase file? I get that InRelase file is Relase file singed using Release.gpg
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• 1397[09:58:38] <dosmanak> I worry if InRelease file is missing, but Release is present, the repo verification is not working.
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• 1416[10:08:29] <melissa666> when I run `update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
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• 1440[10:23:01] <dosmanak> melissa666: what does the link look like? 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
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• 1442[10:24:19] <melissa666> dosmanak, /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
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• 1447[10:25:18] <melissa666> I also have xdg-settings set to firefox (but I checked thunderbird config, and it says it's using x-replaced-url
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• 1449[10:27:36] <dosmanak> wierd. What about xdg-open 'your url' from terminal?
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• 1454[10:29:08] <dosmanak> melissa666: 'xdg-settings get default-web-browser' returns correct browser?
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• 1466[10:35:35] <melissa666> dosmanak, actually no - it says geany.desktop :/ ... sorry, I had assumed it was correct, because I ran `xdg-settings set default-web-browser firefox.desktop` ... but it doesn't seem to have taken effect yet. do I need to restart X / add this to xinitrc or something?
• 1467[10:36:38] <dosmanak> Did you run as usr or root?
• 1468[10:36:42] <dosmanak> *user
• 1469[10:39:52] <dosmanak> melissa666: It is not recommended to use xdg-settings as root
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• 1471[10:41:02] <dosmanak> melissa666: You can check the return code of xdg-settings after setting the browser using 'echo $?'
• 1472[10:42:06] <jelly> dosmanak: if pgp signage was absent apt would complain loudly, with InRelease or without
• 1473[10:42:32] <melissa666> dosmanak, 0
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• 1476[10:43:16] <melissa666> also, yes, I did run xdg-settings with sudo after it didn't take effect when running as user (almost always a bad thing to randomly try running commands as root when you don't know what they do ... but I did lol)
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• 1481[10:44:33] <dosmanak> jelly: Thanks for ensuring, but again, where can I find documentation on Release + InRelease + Release.gpg?
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• 1490[10:46:58] <dosmanak> melissa666: I am afraid i can't you help more :-( You can google why 'xdg-settings set' is ignored.
• 1491[10:47:28] <melissa666> dosmanak, yeah, I was trying with no luck, so I came here ... but thanks for trying to help.
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• 1505[10:55:36] <dosmanak> melissa666: You can tinker your setting using graphical interface perhaps Gnome overrides it somehow
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• 1533[11:06:42] <darxmurf> why "mount" is not displaying bind mounted folders as "bind" ?
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• 1547[11:13:17] <jolt> darxmurf: "This is intentional. Both mount points are fully equal in all ways so
• 1548[11:13:17] <jolt> the kernel does not keep any flags to differentiate them."
• 1549[11:14:04] <darxmurf> mount --bind /opt/data/ /srv/nfs/data/
• 1550[11:14:09] <darxmurf> not for me
• 1551[11:14:38] <jim> I think he's trying to nfs4 export them, one ro one rw
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• 1553[11:16:11] <darxmurf> then there is no way to see if a folder is bind mounted or not
• 1554[11:16:14] <jolt> No idea. That text was from someone trying to report it as a bug. The responder also said to use findmnt
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• 1556[11:16:28] <darxmurf> yep, I saw that
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• 1560[11:19:41] <darxmurf> I don't find that clear
• 1561[11:19:47] <darxmurf> anyway... no choice
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• 1563[11:20:34] <darxmurf> but until now I was adding my new mounted stuff in fstab using tail -1 /etc/mtab >> /etc/fstab
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• 1566[11:23:15] <AliceKelly> the out out of uname -a is Linux debian 4.9.0-6-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) i686 GNU/Linux. is this debian stable jessee ) ?
• 1567[11:23:39] <AliceKelly> 9?
• 1568[11:23:54] <darxmurf> cat /etc/debian_version
• 1569[11:24:02] <AliceKelly> ty
• 1570[11:24:15] <darxmurf> or cat /etc/os-release
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• 1574[11:26:30] <AliceKelly> ok im 9.4 im wanting to install fgrlx. do i really need to backport wheezy or are the instructions for debian 8 outdated
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• 1576[11:27:20] <paininhead> hello, I need to install 8.10 but I am effected by SUA 133-1. How can I get around this with the iso install?
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• 1579[11:28:52] <jolt> paininhead: Doesnt the SUA 133-1 announcment thing work? at the boot menu and add "numa=off" to the
• 1580[11:28:54] <jolt> line that begins with "linux"
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• 1590[11:31:51] <confuzzled> Hi, I've noticed that for a few days now, certain packages and directories on the mirrors are inaccessible. For example, just trying to access this in a browser: replaced-url
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• 1596[11:33:49] <paininhead> jolt, I'm trying from a fresh install. So I need to edit ISO image I guess grub.cfg?
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• 1599[11:34:29] <jolt> paininhead: You do that when you boot.
• 1600[11:35:22] <paininhead> where? When I boot the ISO I get to the menu of install, graphical install, etc I can not get past this
• 1601[11:36:10] <jolt> paininhead: I wonder if you press f1 or something, and it should tell you about possible boot options
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• 1609[11:42:12] <paininhead> ok, TAB and then add numa=off at the end seem to sort it, thanks!
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• 1617[11:48:23] <TandyUK> morning all, any tips on packaging some software for use with a debian repo
• 1618[11:48:59] <dosmanak> AliceKelly: 9.4 is debian stretch
• 1619[11:49:07] <TandyUK> i need multiple versions of the software to co-exist on a system, so for example i can have 'bob v1' and 'bob v2' installed at the same time, preferably under their own paths in /opt/bob/vX
• 1620[11:49:55] <TandyUK> but i would also like to maintain a symlink from (eg) /opt/bob/executable >> /opt/bob/v<latest>/executable
• 1621[11:50:09] <TandyUK> so there is always a fixed path the the latest 'bob' on your system
• 1622[11:50:35] <TandyUK> going purely newer only, i see no problems here
• 1623[11:50:46] <TandyUK> but i dont know how to handle if you install v2, then v3, then v1 last
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• 1625[11:51:05] <TandyUK> how would i set it up so that v1 can be aware of its newer version, and not change the symlink?
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• 1627[11:51:20] <TandyUK> or if theres a completely different way to achieve this, please let me know
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• 1645[11:59:47] <TandyUK> Im also packaging a binary distribution, so having a hard time following the debian package howto
• 1646[11:59:50] <AliceKelly> dosmanak, thank you
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• 1655[12:05:11] <AliceKelly> pisses me off to no end i cant get webgl enabled in any browser
• 1656[12:06:02] <AliceKelly> i know the vid card supports opengl and mesa is working fine
• 1657[12:07:35] <AliceKelly> ive enabled gl in chromium and hardware exceleration is enabled
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• 1668[12:14:45] <earendel> does it crash?
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• 1671[12:16:29] <AliceKelly> no just wont install web apps made to use webgl
• 1672[12:17:21] <AliceKelly> says yout browser doesnt support webgl. yet hardware exceleration is enabled and says its working
• 1673[12:17:41] <earendel> TandyUK: u can just create your symlinks manually into a folder you exported in the PATH environment variable
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• 1676[12:18:46] <earendel> AliceKelly what graphiccard?
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• 1678[12:19:22] <AliceKelly> ati radeon 9000. ive tested the mesa with gears and it works fine
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• 1682[12:23:05] <earendel> AliceKelly: have you tried starting the browser in 'safe mode'? apparently some themes or extensions can cause problems
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• 1684[12:23:28] <earendel> would be a way to exclude that
• 1685[12:23:33] <AliceKelly> interesting. how ?
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• 1687[12:24:40] <earendel> firefox -safe-mode
• 1688[12:26:02] <earendel> chrome -incognito
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• 1691[12:26:38] <earendel> or chrome --disable-extensions
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• 1694[12:27:40] <earendel> could be --ingognito .. with double slash.. --help will eventually ..help
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• 1698[12:31:40] <earendel> AliceKelly: you have chome? call this url when you managed to disable extensions: chrome://gpu/ .. what does it say?
• 1699[12:32:01] <hxmuller> I havent
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• 1702[12:33:00] <hxmuller> ignore that last, If installing UEFI, is /boot partition required anymore?
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• 1704[12:33:03] <AliceKelly> earendel, WebGL: Hardware accelerated
• 1705[12:33:03] <AliceKelly> WebGL2: Hardware accelerated
• 1706[12:33:11] <earendel> sounds good.
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• 1708[12:33:47] <AliceKelly> i been looking for why it wont run webgl for a week
• 1709[12:33:49] <earendel> AiceKelly ... there's also a large list of below .. usually give more info on what went wron
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• 1711[12:34:35] <earendel> it works all fine here, and i have like dozens of entries there.. its verbose as fuck.
• 1712[12:35:06] <earendel> maybe you can even sort out the issue ther.
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• 1725[12:43:41] <AliceKelly> earendel, [22284:22284:0608/043721.617803:ERROR:context_group.cc(275)] : ContextResult::kFatalFailure: too few texture units supported (0, should be 8).
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• 1732[12:46:06] <rr4> Hello
• 1733[12:46:49] <earendel> is it the only entry.. or have you picked it out. im afraid it couldn't make much sense of it tho at all. you can try to google parts of the error message. AliceKelly. have you tried some webgl app in clean mode?
• 1734[12:47:14] <rr4> są tu jacyś Polacy?
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• 1738[12:47:29] <AliceKelly> how is safe and clean mode run ?
• 1739[12:47:47] <AliceKelly> and no thats the only error 30 times
• 1740[12:47:57] <earendel> oh.
• 1741[12:48:05] <earendel> well.
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• 1744[12:48:45] <earendel> then i would definitely at least give it a try searching for th error message
• 1745[12:49:12] <earendel> AliceKelly: chome --disable-extensions
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• 1747[12:49:39] <earendel> should work. or: chrome --incognito
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• 1751[12:53:19] <AliceKelly> nice ry
• 1752[12:54:11] <AliceKelly> i saw a workaround and read their jibber jabber. its about ati cards not reporting textures properly
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• 1754[12:54:30] <AliceKelly> and tha error seems to hint somehing similar
• 1755[12:54:31] <earendel> AliceKelly: check also that url.. chrome://version/gpu ..
• 1756[12:54:45] <earendel> ok.
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• 1896[14:21:35] <NucWin> any guidance / suggestions / examples on including both systemd and init scripts in packages so that systemd systems can use native .service files?
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• 1900[14:22:17] <greycat> Pick almost any Debian stretch package that has a daemon, as an example to follow.
• 1901[14:24:01] <NucWin> do they not just have systemd files though as its a known factor that stretch has systemd?
• 1902[14:24:47] <greycat> Take openssh-server as an example. It has /etc/init.d/ssh AND /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service (et al.).
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• 1912[14:28:37] <NucWin> aces thanks greycat, is there package build scripts anywhere online i cant seem to find them on packages.debian.org
• 1913[14:28:48] <greycat> !nmg
• 1914[14:28:49] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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• 1916[14:30:29] <NucWin> thanks again
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• 1954[14:53:41] <wuseman> How-to install requiement package in my control file? Added 'Depends: jq (=1.5+dfsg-1)' is this not enough? dpkg wont install jq it just notice me that jq is required but i want it to be installed when i run dpkg -i tool.deb
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• 1956[14:54:25] <greycat> You need apt for that. dpkg only installs what's given to it.
• 1957[14:54:49] <wuseman> I understand, thank you.
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• 1964[14:58:17] <kishornawal> In my pc I have Ubuntu v18 sometimes my wifi is automatically disconnected. Any solutions?
• 1965[14:59:10] <Javabean> kishornawal: questions regarding ubuntu should be asked in #ubuntu not in debian
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• 1971[15:01:23] <darxmurf> whith tool can I use to create ZIP archives with multi CPU ?
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• 1986[15:09:49] <dosmanak> darxmurf: pigz for parallel gzip.
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• 1989[15:13:39] <darxmurf> I know but I have to create ZIP files :-/
• 1990[15:15:02] <dosmanak> darxmurf: I don't know such tool. But if it is more zip files, you can call zip in parallel yourself using e.g. xargs
• 1991[15:15:12] <darxmurf> hmm I can use 7z and force BZip2 compression method
• 1992[15:15:42] <greycat> so you DON'T actually want .zip files
• 1993[15:16:15] <darxmurf> don't know if windows computers are able then to open it :D
• 1994[15:16:19] <darxmurf> I'll try now
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• 1998[15:17:04] <darxmurf> looks like yes
• 1999[15:17:33] <darxmurf> 7z a -r -mm=BZip2 -mmt=4 -tzip
• 2000[15:17:46] <darxmurf> by default the compression method is "Deflate"
• 2001[15:18:03] <darxmurf> you can force BZip2 and it's still a ZIP container
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• 2004[15:18:21] <greycat> And PK-ZIP will be able to open it? Really?
• 2005[15:18:37] <jelly> pkzip still exists?
• 2006[15:19:12] <greycat> I assumed he wanted a .zip file, not "a bzip2 compressed data file inside a pseudo-zip container that only ToolX VersionY can handle"
• 2007[15:19:24] <jelly> I thought everyone used Windows Explorer embedded support
• 2008[15:19:31] <greycat> Windows still exists?
• 2009[15:19:35] <jelly> yes
• 2010[15:19:39] <greycat> damn
• 2011[15:19:50] <darxmurf> well, this bzip compression into zip files is readeable by windows explorer
• 2012[15:19:57] <jelly> darxmurf: nice
• 2013[15:20:05] <greycat> 4.6: (2001) BZIP2 compression (not published online until the publication of APPNOTE 5.2)
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• 2015[15:20:14] <greycat> I guess that's pretty good, then.
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• 2017[15:20:55] <greycat> So, for your original question, does that mean you can bzip2 the individual files in parallel, and then sweep them all up into a .zip container in one pass after that?
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• 2019[15:22:21] <darxmurf> nop replaced-url
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• 2021[15:22:47] <darxmurf> m= ---> Sets a method: Copy, Deflate, Deflate64, BZip2, LZMA, PPMd.
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• 2023[15:23:10] <darxmurf> by default 7z is using Deflate but if you use the Bzip2 algo, it's multithread compatible
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• 2029[15:26:00] <jelly> so I made an encrypted zip with some ssl certs with your options, and one with "normal" zip, 7z bz2 one is 33K, zip one is 30K
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• 2031[15:26:11] <darxmurf> or I can .tar.gz it and fook them with their ZIP file
• 2032[15:27:04] <jelly> 1692 BZip2 1354 20% 2018-06-08 07:14 b731f10c star.croadria.com.2018/CACertificate-INTERMEDIATE-1.cer
• 2033[15:27:09] <darxmurf> na but I have around 2Tb of folders to ZIP one by one... the idea was just to have a SMP tool :D
• 2034[15:27:12] <jelly> 1692 Defl:X 1191 30% 2018-06-08 07:14 b731f10c star.croadria.com.2018/CACertificate-INTERMEDIATE-1.cer
• 2035[15:27:17] <darxmurf> don't care about the compression level :)
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• 2037[15:27:37] <jelly> then don't compress, just use the store method
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• 2040[15:28:03] <greycat> and then your concerns about parallelization also go away
• 2041[15:28:10] <darxmurf> I already did a script to do that -> tar.gz but as the girl already compressed half of the stuff with ZIP
• 2042[15:28:19] <jelly> that will be plenty fast with a single core I bet
• 2043[15:28:43] <darxmurf> well, I want a compression, but I will compare if this algo is 0.1% better than the other
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• 2054[15:31:47] <jelly> 1692 BZip2 1291 24% 2018-06-08 07:14 b731f10c star.croadria.com.2018/CACertificate-INTERMEDIATE-1.cer
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• 2057[15:31:58] <jelly> that's with -mx=9 added
• 2058[15:32:02] <snooky> hi all
• 2059[15:32:06] <snooky> german or english only?
• 2060[15:32:11] <jelly> !de
• 2061[15:32:11] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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• 2063[15:32:44] <snooky> there dont i becam an answer
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• 2065[15:33:06] <snooky> i test it with google translate, where that ok?
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• 2070[15:34:34] <pingfloyd> you became an answer?
• 2071[15:34:53] <darxmurf> I should have plug this disk to compress on a 24core machine just to test :D
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• 2073[15:35:10] <snooky> i dont really good speak english
• 2074[15:35:12] <snooky> Hello. First, I'm looking for a way to automatically install servers from a host server. with a previously created image. a rescue system or PxE is not possible. All the host knows is the IP address and the root password. Is there a possibility? Is ansible exactly what I'm looking for?
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• 2076[15:37:05] <bites> you can use ansible if the other servers already have a system installed and ssh running and you want to configure them automatically.
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• 2080[15:38:47] <darxmurf> ha ! on a 24 core machine: real0m14.373s
• 2081[15:38:52] <darxmurf> on my i7: real0m41.952s
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• 2086[15:40:42] <snooky> bites: that's just it. pretty much everything can run on the server. all that is available is not ssh anymore. no further knowledge about the server. this must then be installed automatically and later report back to the host. with "I am installed"
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• 2088[15:40:57] <dosmanak> darxmurf: Is it really compatible with Windows ZIP?
• 2089[15:41:20] <darxmurf> I can open the archive in explorer yes
• 2090[15:41:21] <darxmurf> windows 10
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• 2092[15:41:26] <darxmurf> did not try windows 7
• 2093[15:41:41] <greycat> you'll definitely want to test it on older Windows
• 2094[15:42:55] <snooky> bites: So the host gets the root ssh access data. and at the end the server is installed. Whether that's an Intel or Amd or hda or sda, it does not have to matter at all. root access data purely. finished system out
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• 2099[15:45:25] <bites> snooky: sorry, but it's hard to understand what you say. do you have ssh access to the servers you want to configure?
• 2100[15:45:57] <snooky> yes
• 2101[15:46:00] <snooky> ich have root
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• 2103[15:46:30] <snooky> but i dont know or the server an intel or amd. or the server have /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* device
• 2104[15:46:42] <snooky> only i have the root access data
• 2105[15:46:48] <darxmurf> greycat: works too under windows 7
• 2106[15:47:08] <greycat> darxmurf: cool
• 2107[15:47:29] <dosmanak> darxmurf: That's cool, thanks for the new knowledge.
• 2108[15:47:32] <darxmurf> they why "Deflate" by default
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• 2110[15:48:08] <limbo_> compatability, maybe.
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• 2112[15:48:18] <bites> snooky: that is gut. so what ansible does is run a list of tasks sequentially on a set of hosts through ssh. you don't need anything other than ssh access.
• 2113[15:48:20] <darxmurf> "for historical reasons..."
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• 2117[15:49:26] <snooky> So this way: 1. I call the host 500 ip addresses with passwords. 2. The host server installs these entire servers with the desired software and configuration 3. 500 servers are installed accordingly
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• 2119[15:49:44] <dosmanak> snooky: ansible allows you to install the system as you tell it to do, but usually the root partition is already present
• 2120[15:49:50] <greycat> Near as I can guess, snooky is saying "There is a remote machine, I don't know anything about it except that it's either i386 or amd64, could be Solaris, could be SCO Unix, could be Slackware. I want to write a program that can ssh into it and convert it into Debian 9. Magically."
• 2121[15:50:30] <snooky> yes
• 2122[15:50:31] <dosmanak> snooky: It is up to you how well do you prepare the ansible playbooks.
• 2123[15:50:40] <snooky> so with my configuration
• 2124[15:51:17] <snooky> So that installs the and then connect automatically with my server cloud
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• 2126[15:51:48] <greycat> This sounds rather malicious.
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• 2128[15:51:57] <snooky> i dont want to install and configuration my server manually with debootstrap, cfdisk dm-crypt and other
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• 2130[15:52:25] <greycat> "I have hacked into 500 computers around the world, all I have is root ssh access, no details on them individually, and I want to convert them all into my private botnet."
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• 2133[15:52:54] <mutante> debtakeover?
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• 2135[15:53:00] <snooky> you have unterstand it
• 2136[15:53:06] <snooky> but dont botnet
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• 2139[15:53:17] <mutante> snooky: mining?
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• 2141[15:53:35] <snooky> by the way
• 2142[15:53:43] <snooky> "vpn"net
• 2143[15:53:43] <snooky> ;)
• 2144[15:54:01] <limbo_> What's the least complicated way to create a http compatable livestream from files on the hard drive? I need something for testing.
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• 2149[15:54:32] <snooky> and the more ips fed the bigger. but so, if 1 server is taken off the net, then go for 2 online. So I should also monitor the network
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• 2151[15:55:13] <snooky> automatically. only i must give the host the access data
• 2152[15:55:18] <greycat> The only reason I haven't /ignored you yet is the small chance that there is a language understanding issue, and you didn't really confirm that you have hacked into 500 random computers.
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• 2162[15:57:59] <yokowka> hello every soul!!!! have alredy install debian 9.4 - not works wifi, how to make it work? notebook dell 3537 inspiron
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• 2165[15:58:09] <colo-work> limbo_, I did that years ago using icecast and ffserver, with vlc-cli connecting to those and transcoding the on-disk data
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• 2167[15:58:23] <greycat> yokowka: find the device ID, install whatever firmware or drivers are required for that device
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• 2169[15:58:32] <snooky> no no
• 2170[15:58:44] <snooky> dont five hundert ;)
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• 2172[15:59:14] <yokowka> greycat where i can find device id?
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• 2175[15:59:32] <greycat> yokowka: start with "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" -- it'll probably show up in one of those.
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• 2179[16:00:14] <bites> limbo_: there are hls modules for nginx. if you want flexibility you can use obs to record and nginx + rtmp module to translate the rtmp stream to hls.
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• 2182[16:00:56] <snooky> ok, so puppet, chef salt and ansible my favorites?
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• 2186[16:01:39] <yokowka> greycat this is what i need: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter
• 2187[16:01:40] <limbo_> bites: alright.
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• 2189[16:01:53] <greycat> !AR9565
• 2190[16:01:54] <dpkg> Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 168c:0036) are supported by the Linux kernel since Linux 3.7, ask me about <ath9k>. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users, ask me about <bdo kernel> to provide device support.
• 2191[16:02:03] <greycat> !ath9k
• 2192[16:02:03] <dpkg> ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See replaced-url
• 2193[16:02:24] <greycat> guess you go to that wiki page and do whatever it says...
• 2194[16:03:16] <yokowka> greycat, dpkg - i'll see next))))
• 2195[16:04:32] <colo-work> ath9k should work out of the box, afaik
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• 2200[16:06:20] <darxmurf> hmmm there is something wrong with the ZIP compression and windows Oo I can open files in the root of the archive but not files in subfolders
• 2201[16:06:29] <darxmurf> I can list them but not extract it
• 2202[16:06:31] <darxmurf> haha
• 2203[16:06:47] <darxmurf> it's fine with 7zip windows but not the explorer
• 2204[16:06:50] <Haohmaru> why did i put these nvidia drivers.. i honestly don't remember, but when i rotate my screen (with xrandr, cuz the nvidia settings panel can't) then the "fps" drops..
• 2205[16:07:15] <Haohmaru> now i'm reading that this is common and suggestions to go back to noveau if i want rotation
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• 2210[16:09:39] <Haohmaru> interesting fact, when i rotate the screen, the nvidia settings shows 1920x1920, with a trimmed 1920x1080 portion
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• 2223[16:18:02] <Haohmaru> if i rotate the screen on this other debian which has some amd saphire gpu - no choppy mouse redrawing.. that's it.. imma be getting an amd gpu for myself
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• 2241[16:27:03] <ska> Is snap a good tool to use to install firefox on Debian 9?
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• 2243[16:28:01] <somiaj> It isn't a bad tool, though I would just download firefox from mozzilla myself
• 2244[16:28:40] <ska> Ok.. I don't like the idea of snap doing background checking.
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• 2249[16:29:19] <greycat> If for some reason you don't want to use firefox-esr, just download the firefox tarball from mozilla.com and install in /usr/local or /opt.
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• 2253[16:30:57] <NicolaiVdS> o/ i have i small problem with my debian server when i try to ssh into it as root i get following replaced-url
• 2254[16:31:09] <NicolaiVdS> what can be the problem og this ?
• 2255[16:31:12] <NicolaiVdS> of*
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• 2261[16:33:39] <somiaj> NicolaiVdS: how are you trying to ssh, it seems strange that you are requsing x11 forwading as root.
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• 2263[16:34:37] <somiaj> NicolaiVdS: It doesn't look like you are trying to ssh, but trying to run some command over ssh, which will close when the command terminates.
• 2264[16:34:58] <NicolaiVdS> im using mobaxterm
• 2265[16:35:26] <somiaj> that might be the problem, mobaxterm likes to setup x11 forwarding and the likes, and in general it isn't a good idea to run xorg stuff as root.
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• 2267[16:36:14] <NicolaiVdS> ok but its not only when im using mobaxterm also when im using putty,termius,etc
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• 2271[16:37:07] <somiaj> I would try to ssh from another linux machine, maybe ssh -vvv root@foo, and see if you can debug why root is trying to run some scripts when you ssh in. Though me personally, I would disable root access via ssh anyways, and just use su - to become root.
• 2272[16:37:21] <NicolaiVdS> replaced-url
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• 2276[16:40:00] <NicolaiVdS> and in the .bash_profile and .bashrc there is no r2 command included
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• 2279[16:41:41] <NicolaiVdS> here are the contents of those 2 files somiaj replaced-url
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• 2286[16:44:33] <somiaj> well check roots .profile, .bashrc, and so on, it appears to be trying to run some command called 'r2' which I don't recongize. It still appears you are requsing X11 forwarding, but on your ssh -vvv paste, you login correctly between lines 99 and 107, but then other things are still running
• 2287[16:45:22] <somiaj> you have something setup to keep running scripts/commands after you run in. I have never used mobaxterm as root, but to me it is surprising you are trying to use x11 forwarding, and also why is r2 trying to be run (I don't neve know what that is)
• 2288[16:45:38] <somiaj> check the .authorized_keys file for root, and see if there is anything there forcing a command to be run via ssh
• 2289[16:46:32] <somiaj> but the login is happening, it is some script/command being sent that is closing the session afterwards
• 2290[16:47:20] <NicolaiVdS> strange it is happening on multiple machines and only on the root account
• 2291[16:47:48] <somiaj> ,info radare2
• 2292[16:47:49] <judd> Package radare2 (devel, extra) in stretch/amd64: free and advanced command line hexadecimal editor. Version: 1.1.0+dfsg-5; Size: 148.1k; Installed: 433k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2295[16:48:10] <somiaj> that is the package that contains the r2 binary. It is due to some configuration, maybe you copied over something in /root that is causing this on all the machines
• 2296[16:48:28] <somiaj> check roots .ssh/.authorized_keys
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• 2298[16:49:05] <NicolaiVdS> only contains my key
• 2299[16:49:16] <somiaj> you can restrict certain keys to run a command=, I do this on some of my machines, because I don't want to have root ssh open, but I need root ssh for rsync, so I use rrsync wrapper as the only command allowed to run over ssh. If you try to login other wise you get kicked out
• 2300[16:49:20] <somiaj> check sshd_config
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• 2302[16:49:21] <NicolaiVdS> i can try tro re make it
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• 2305[16:49:59] <somiaj> but some configuration on your server is restricting what root can do over ssh it seems, I don't know enough details to tell you where is best to look
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• 2312[16:51:53] <greycat> sshd_config(5) => ForceCommand "Forces the execution of the command specified by ForceCommand, ignoring any command supplied by the client and ~/.ssh/rc if present."
• 2313[16:52:17] <NicolaiVdS> sshd_config replaced-url
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• 2316[16:53:08] <somiaj> does /root/.ssh/rc exist?
• 2317[16:53:36] <NicolaiVdS> no
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• 2320[16:54:22] <greycat> and your /root/.ssh/authorized_keys begins with 'ssh-rsa' and not 'command="..." ssh-rsa' ?
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• 2322[16:54:54] <NicolaiVdS> yes and when i do su
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• 2325[16:55:23] <NicolaiVdS> it asks for pass and the show the r2 thing and reverts back to the user
• 2326[16:55:33] <greycat> Is root's SHELL set to r2?
• 2327[16:55:45] <greycat> In /etc/passwd or whatever you use?
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• 2329[16:55:52] <NicolaiVdS> ps r2 = radare2 - Advanced commandline hexadecimal editor, disassembler and debugger
• 2330[16:57:13] <NicolaiVdS> replaced-url
• 2331[16:57:17] <NicolaiVdS> found it :o
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• 2334[16:57:38] <somiaj> nice call greycat, as to why r2 is set as the shell, who knows.
• 2335[16:57:39] <greycat> 1. root:x:0:0:root:/root:/usr/bin/r2
• 2336[16:58:03] <jelly> lol
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• 2338[16:58:30] <NicolaiVdS> strange
• 2339[16:58:40] <somiaj> also why this is true on multiple machines, must be some sort of system sharing configuration files?
• 2340[16:59:29] <NicolaiVdS> i change 1. root:x:0:0:root:/root:/usr/bin/r2 to 1. root:x:0:0:root:/root:/usr/bin right ?
• 2341[16:59:37] <jelly> NicolaiVdS: no
• 2342[16:59:43] <somiaj> NicolaiVdS: /usr/bin is a directory, not a shell
• 2343[16:59:45] <greycat> change /usr/bin/r2 to /bin/bash or /bin/sh
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• 2345[17:00:10] <greycat> and use the "vipw" command for this
• 2346[17:00:43] <NicolaiVdS> Fixed thanks guys :D
• 2347[17:00:46] <jelly> or, if inside chroot, just "chsh root"
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• 2359[17:06:25] <NicolaiVdS> thanks again
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• 2429[17:37:38] <addkt> Hello all
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• 2431[17:37:48] <padomay> hi addkt
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• 2460[17:47:24] <yokowka> hello every soul!!!! when debian is booting there is grub on the screen, with selecting os, system setup.... how to make that debian boot's without grub screen?
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• 2467[17:49:10] <babilen> yokowka: You could adjust the wait time to 0 before an entry is booted. Look into /etc/default/grub and the documentation linked therein
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• 2470[17:49:45] <greycat> I got as far as /etc/default/grub and then I found the corresponding lines in /boot/grub/grub.cfg and then I tried "man grub" and there is no man page, and then I started googling...
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• 2472[17:50:31] <yokowka> babilen - i'll make it))))
• 2473[17:50:42] <greycat> So yeah, my initial thought is to change the timeout to 0 but I have no idea how to find the documentation that will say what that actually does.
• 2474[17:51:18] <greycat> Ah, an info page.
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• 2476[17:51:20] <greycat> How very GNU.
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• 2478[17:51:29] <yokowka> so greycat it is not help's me??
• 2479[17:51:53] <babilen> greycat: The documentation is in "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'"
• 2480[17:52:05] <babilen> (as referenced in /etc/default/grub)
• 2481[17:52:37] <babilen> yokowka: GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 is what you're looking for
• 2482[17:52:39] <greycat> OK, there, in the *sigh* info page: "Set to '0' to boot immediately without displaying the menu"
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• 2484[17:53:07] <babilen> Figured it makes sense to give the actual way to solve this, rather than just spoon feeding
• 2485[17:53:14] <yokowka> type info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' in console??
• 2486[17:53:18] <babilen> aye
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• 2488[17:53:24] <greycat> I typed "info grub | less" instead.
• 2489[17:53:51] <babilen> Little anarchist
• 2490[17:54:06] <greycat> Most human beings would be well advised to seek ANY alternative to the default info command. pinfo is a common choice. "info foo | less" is also good.
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• 2493[17:57:13] <babilen> yokowka: Did that work?
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• 2495[17:57:25] <yokowka> babilen there is no way to save rewrighting grub config, system right's can't save rewrighting file becouse you have no such permition....!!
• 2496[17:57:40] <yokowka> *because
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• 2498[17:58:05] <babilen> You have to edit that file as root / or obtain suitable capabilities with sudo
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• 2500[17:58:38] <greycat> If you don't have root privs then how on earth did you expect to be able to modify the boot loader?
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• 2502[17:58:58] <greycat> Why would you imagine that an ordinary unprivileged user could do such a thing?
• 2503[17:59:02] <yokowka> so how to modify it with root?
• 2504[17:59:19] <greycat> edit /etc/default/grub, change the GRUB_TIMEOUT to 0, and run update-grub
• 2505[17:59:21] <yokowka> greycat i'm newer in debian
• 2506[17:59:26] <greycat> Like we told you.
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• 2511[18:01:50] <yokowka> i've chenge grub_timeout=0 and can't run update grub, while i'm not save /etc/default/grub and even do not know how to run update grub....
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• 2513[18:02:20] <yokowka> *change
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• 2517[18:02:46] <greycat> The command is update-grub, not update grub
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• 2521[18:04:07] <yokowka> when i'm select time out = 0 just in console right's update-grub?
• 2522[18:04:15] <greycat> What the FUCK.
• 2523[18:04:19] <greycat> 1) EDIT THE FILE.
• 2524[18:04:24] <greycat> 2) RUN THIS COMMAND: update-grub
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• 2527[18:05:15] <yokowka> greycat easy please no needn't by angry with those who don't knows))))
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• 2529[18:05:25] <greycat> But you DO know, because I TOLD you. Repeatedly.
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• 2533[18:06:19] <yokowka> Question is in editing file. 1) . i've change time out to 0 , what next?
• 2534[18:06:29] <greycat> Save the file. Exit the editor.
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• 2536[18:06:51] <yokowka> i can't save it. help....
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• 2540[18:07:09] <babilen> yokowka: Are you root?
• 2541[18:07:20] <yokowka> yes
• 2542[18:07:31] <babilen> How are you editing the file?
• 2543[18:07:34] <yokowka> i'm the only user
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• 2546[18:07:58] <babilen> When you run "id" in the command line, what is the output?
• 2547[18:08:03] <AliceKelly> can anyone tell me what this is ? replaced-url
• 2548[18:08:15] <greycat> It's a URL.
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• 2550[18:08:33] <AliceKelly> thanks oh master my master
• 2551[18:08:51] <babilen> yokowka: You can become root by running "su" and entering the root password. You wouldn't normally "be" root, but work as the user you created during the installation
• 2552[18:08:54] <yokowka> babilen that is: uid=1000(yokowka) gid=1000(yokowka) группы=1000(yokowka),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),114(bluetooth),118(scanner)
• 2553[18:09:00] <AliceKelly> now tell me if its a fix for a problem my browser has
• 2554[18:09:14] <babilen> AliceKelly: You haven't mentioned a problem
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• 2556[18:09:16] <greycat> yokowka: then you are not currently root in that terminal.
• 2557[18:09:28] <yokowka> now i'm root
• 2558[18:09:36] <babilen> Good, try again
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• 2562[18:11:58] <AliceKelly> my problem is i cant get webgl to run. webgl is enabled. and opengl works fine. he browser sends this error message 26824:26824:0608/094642.511867:ERROR:context_group.cc(275)] : ContextResult::kFatalFailure: too few texture units supported (0, should be 8).
• 2563[18:12:12] <yokowka> i'd modify time out , then for the closing editor there is warning that i can't save it.... same as previous.... maybe type /etc/default/grub in console? not from nautilus open it?
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• 2565[18:12:35] <greycat> yokowka: because you are still not root.
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• 2567[18:12:50] <greycat> yokowka: use the 'su' command to become root in one specific terminal.
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• 2569[18:13:09] <AliceKelly> after googling that error message i found this sitereplaced-url
• 2570[18:13:21] <yokowka> greycat in console root@yokowka:/home/yokowka#
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• 2572[18:13:37] <egonsen> i read that packages in the debian repositories are patched and not released "vanilla". what kind of patches are applied?
• 2573[18:13:37] <greycat> Logging in on a Linux virtual console would also work.
• 2574[18:14:05] <greycat> Although that looks more like the end result of an su, than a console login.
• 2575[18:14:20] <greycat> Anyway, the "root@" and the trailing "#" are both good signs.
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• 2577[18:14:37] <somiaj> egonsen: depends on the package, you can look at the source and patches. Sometimes it is small things to integrate better with debian, or maybe bug/security fixes, backported to the version in debian (and not using the current upstream or master repo)
• 2578[18:14:54] <babilen> egonsen: All sort of patches. Some fix security bugs, other change behaviour to be more in line with the platform other might allow for the software to be built without accessing the internet. It's really impossible to enumerate all of these
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• 2580[18:15:05] <greycat> yokowka: now, IN THAT TERMINAL WHERE YOU ARE ROOT, edit the file. With a text editor. Which runs in a terminal. NOT a gui editor.
• 2581[18:15:15] <somiaj> egonsen: some are feature requests, or changes the debian community wants (Via bug reports) but are rejected upstream.
• 2582[18:15:28] <babilen> greycat: My guess is that yokowka has never used a terminal text editor before
• 2583[18:15:47] <yokowka> babylen that's true
• 2584[18:15:54] <greycat> I'm guessing that too. He probably thought he could run su in a terminal and then launch an editor through his DE....
• 2585[18:16:04] <babilen> indeed
• 2586[18:16:58] <babilen> yokowka: There are a huge number of editors that are tricky to use. We will use "nano" for now as it comes pre-installed on your box. Run "nano /etc/default/grub" in the terminal as root.
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• 2592[18:17:44] <babilen> yokowka: Make your change, then hit "CTRL-O" (^O) at the same time to write it and then exit the editor with "CTRL-X" (^X)
• 2593[18:17:54] <babilen> Once you've done that, run "update-grub"
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• 2599[18:20:20] <yokowka> babilen, greycat one more question - how to make percent of batery in upper line right side to see for example when it's meaning less the 15%? previous dilemma is desided))))
• 2600[18:21:35] <limbo_> Can whoever told my how to ignore my broken ; key remind me what I did again? The fix got unfixed.
• 2601[18:21:43] <babilen> yokowka: If you like to learn a more powerful editor, you could install emacs with "apt install emacs25". You can start it and run "C-h t" to access the built-in tutorial. (that's "hold CTRL-h" and then "hit t")
• 2602[18:22:11] <greycat> I doubt he's ready to move past nano yet.
• 2603[18:22:42] <babilen> ;)
• 2604[18:22:50] <yokowka> fun graycat past nano yet))))
• 2605[18:23:11] <somiaj> but emacs?? *hides*
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• 2610[18:25:41] <yokowka> babilen that tutorial has answer on my last question?
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• 2612[18:25:51] <greycat> No.
• 2613[18:26:42] <yokowka> greycat then how to make percent of battery in tray?
• 2614[18:29:02] <babilen> I have no idea
• 2615[18:29:12] <babilen> I haven't touched Gnome in years
• 2616[18:29:54] <yokowka> maybe in debian there is no such thing, i was migrated from ubuntu
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• 2618[18:30:26] <greycat> This is the great divide that I've mentioned a few times. The veterans don't use Desktop Environments and don't know how to answer these questions. The beginners don't even know what a DE *is* or that there's more than one or how to identify which one they're using, let alone how to state a question clearly.
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• 2620[18:31:04] <yokowka> my de is gnome
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• 2622[18:31:28] <greycat> OK, now you just have to wait for someone who knows GNOME to answer.
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• 2625[18:32:56] <mtn> yokowka: perhaps there is a gnome extenstion to do what you want?
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• 2628[18:34:45] <yokowka> mtn now i'll look
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• 2630[18:35:31] <yokowka> bless you havens guys!!!!
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• 2634[18:35:49] <yokowka> *heavens
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• 2645[18:37:57] <mnuhmnuh> greycat: the modern (fat) ones come with gui config tools. fluxbox and fvwm & etc., you learn to bend manually.
• 2646[18:37:57] <AliceKelly> greycat, i would love to ask a question but ive been working on getting webgl to work for 5 days. not even sure how to fix it
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• 2648[18:38:13] <yokowka> one last question: when debian is booting, i've see such thing: /sdA .... failed....., Radeon.... what's can be desigion of this ?
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• 2657[18:40:10] <mnuhmnuh> yokowka: journalctl -b 0
• 2658[18:40:38] <mnuhmnuh> yokowka: dmesg
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• 2661[18:41:03] <AliceKelly> yokowka, you have to insall the radeon non free firmware. replaced-url
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• 2663[18:41:46] <yokowka> mnuhmnuh type one by one journalctl -b 0 dmesg?
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• 2665[18:41:59] <yokowka> in cosole?
• 2666[18:42:04] <JoeD> Ubuntu user here. I'm planning to move to Debian and noticed that Debian does not include serurity updates in the repository. Why is that?
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• 2668[18:43:08] <john1008> yokowka, type dmesg
• 2669[18:43:23] <AliceKelly> JoeD, isnt that mentioned in the "new features" in 9.4 ?
• 2670[18:43:37] <mnuhmnuh> yokowka: journalctl will open it up in a pager. "dmesg | less" as root will do same sort of thing.
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• 2673[18:44:41] <babilen> JoeD: Which repository is that?
• 2674[18:44:58] <JoeD> AliceKelly: Hmm, no. At least I didn't see anything.
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• 2677[18:45:44] <JoeD> babilen: replaced-url
• 2678[18:45:50] <AliceKelly> JoeD, i could swear i read something last night about them merging security and the repository
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• 2680[18:46:03] <JoeD> AliceKelly: Let me double check
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• 2682[18:46:15] <AliceKelly> i could easily be wrong
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• 2689[18:49:03] <JoeD> AliceKelly: I mean, when you install Debian, is "replaced-url
• 2690[18:49:26] <AliceKelly> yes
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• 2692[18:49:34] <JoeD> Oh
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• 2695[18:50:04] <JoeD> Ok then. Maybe it was an exception to the video I was watching
• 2696[18:50:13] <JoeD> Thank you, Alice
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• 2698[18:50:49] <yokowka> mnuhmnuh , maybe beter shooting notebok)))) look at this....^ [ 1.870447] r8169 0000:01:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control [ 3.806761] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
• 2699[18:50:49] <yokowka> [ 3.806826] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 7.236592] systemd[1]: live-tools.service: Cannot add dependency job, ignoring: Unit live-tools.service is masked.
• 2700[18:50:49] <yokowka> [ 7.236654] systemd[1]: rsync.service: Cannot add dependency job, ignoring: Unit rsync.service is masked. [ 9.669647] [Firmware Bug]: battery: (dis)charge rate invalid. [ 11.435400] ATPX version 1, functions 0x00000033
• 2701[18:50:50] <yokowka> [ 11.769203] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel_ht'
• 2702[18:50:52] <yokowka> [ 11.769423] ieee80211 phy0: Atheros AR9565 Rev:1 mem=0xffffb44b81b80000, irq=19
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• 2704[18:51:04] <AliceKelly> JoeD, no problem
• 2705[18:52:51] <mnuhmnuh> yokowka needs to learn about pastebinit.
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• 2707[18:53:14] <pushad> someone tried the witcher 2 on debian?
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• 2711[18:54:21] <yokowka> mnuhmnuh failed to star Rise network intert....something when debian boots
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• 2713[18:54:32] <yokowka> *start
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• 2717[18:55:32] <mnuhmnuh> yokowka: as root, dmesg | grep "failed to start"
• 2718[18:55:35] <yokowka> [ 12.459348] [drm:radeon_pci_probe [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-amd-graphics.
• 2719[18:56:05] <mnuhmnuh> aptitude search firmware-amd-graphics
• 2720[18:56:09] <yokowka> mnuhmhuh type as root in console dmesg....?
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• 2722[18:56:17] <mnuhmnuh> yup.
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• 2724[18:57:21] <yokowka> mnuhmnuh already types))))
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• 2726[18:57:54] <yokowka> mnuhmnuh now type aptitude....?
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• 2730[18:58:39] <mnuhmnuh> yokowka: do you have functional x window gui now?
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• 2737[18:59:23] <mnuhmnuh> if so, you don't _need_ firmware-amd-graphics.
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• 2739[18:59:40] <yokowka> mnihmnuh what is functional x window gui? i do not know....
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• 2741[18:59:59] <mnuhmnuh> gnome, kde, mate, fluxbox, ...
• 2742[19:00:10] <yokowka> DE?
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• 2744[19:00:18] <yokowka> gnome perhaps
• 2745[19:00:23] <mnuhmnuh> yes, desktop.
• 2746[19:00:37] <yokowka> where i can see it?
• 2747[19:00:43] <mnuhmnuh> you don't _need_ firmware-amd-graphics.
• 2748[19:01:09] <yokowka> mnuhmnuh how to fix radeon error?
• 2749[19:01:58] <mnuhmnuh> not an error. need firmware if free doesn't work well enough.
• 2750[19:02:18] <yokowka> undersrand
• 2751[19:02:28] <yokowka> *understand
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• 2754[19:03:30] <yokowka> how take firmware? mnuhmnuh
• 2755[19:04:04] <mnuhmnuh> yokowka: your "[sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through ..." yada yada; i see that here on a pluggable ssd i don't need or use. i leave it unmounted and ignore.
• 2756[19:04:17] <AliceKelly> if he has a radeon and he has a gui it means it defaulted to vesa not ati
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• 2761[19:07:11] <mnuhmnuh> didn't ati abandon linux or something? fglrx no longer anything?
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• 2767[19:10:43] <jhutchins_wk> !radeon
• 2768[19:10:43] <dpkg> Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (replaced-url
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• 2771[19:12:08] <mnuhmnuh> !fglrx
• 2772[19:12:08] <dpkg> fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see replaced-url
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• 2774[19:12:55] <yokowka> thank You
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• 2783[19:18:49] <babilen> dpkg: fglrx dkms
• 2784[19:18:49] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist.
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• 2791[19:20:54] <greycat> dpkg, fglrx dkms =~ s/mkdir/mkdir -p/
• 2792[19:20:54] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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• 2815[19:32:24] <yokowka> greycat what to do if debian earlear version then 8, my for example 9.4?
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• 2817[19:32:44] <greycat> 9.4 is later than 8, not earlier.
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• 2820[19:33:26] <yokowka> oh i see now
• 2821[19:34:15] <yokowka> greycat i must type in console aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,, ....??
• 2822[19:34:35] <greycat> If you want to follow the bot's advice.
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• 2824[19:34:48] <greycat> Usually one PASTES these things, not types them.
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• 2830[19:35:30] <yokowka> so paste it?
• 2831[19:35:44] <jhutchins_wk> yokowka: Make sure you get the closing `
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• 2833[19:36:00] <greycat> there's more to the command after the second ` also
• 2834[19:36:30] <yokowka> jhutchins_wk how to make sure?
• 2835[19:36:34] <jhutchins_wk> Yes'`
• 2836[19:36:46] <jhutchins_wk> yokowka: Be observant.
• 2837[19:37:16] <jim> yokowka, generally, if (say) you're going to upgrade to 9 and you're at 7, you have to bring 7 to uptodate 7 first, then you can upgrade to 8, and that should get you uptodate 8, then you can go to 9
• 2838[19:38:39] <yokowka> oh, jim i'm now on 9
• 2839[19:39:04] <jim> which is latest stable
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• 2844[19:40:22] <jim> so about all you could do now, is go from the 9 you have to fully uptodate 9, by doing apt dist-upgrade, without changing sources.list
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• 2848[19:41:07] <jim> you might already be there too
• 2849[19:41:46] <greycat> yokowka said he is on Debian 9.4
• 2850[19:42:44] <yokowka> yes i'm
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• 2857[19:44:42] <yokowka> jim if i already change the source.list with ati driver, i must backup?
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• 2863[19:47:02] <yokowka> ati driver ftp.debian
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• 2867[19:48:35] <jim> yokowka, well backing up is good in general... think of it like you're playing a complicated video game and you spend 20 hours getting to the princess' castle... you're not going to save the game? :)
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• 2870[19:49:36] <yokowka> no jim i prefer chess an duke nukem 3d))))
• 2871[19:50:04] <jim> ok :)
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• 2878[19:53:40] <greycat> 13:53 Ignoring MSGS from yokowka
• 2879[19:53:49] <greycat> Don't flood your entire dmesg at me.
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• 2881[19:54:06] <jelly> !paste
• 2882[19:54:07] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 2884[19:54:12] <mnuhmnuh> !pastebinit
• 2885[19:54:12] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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• 2890[19:55:58] <yellowman> I'm trying to run an ancient program on Debian 9 that was compiled with GHC 6.2, but it's missing libgmp.so.3. I've installed every GMP devel package I see and it's still not finding it.
• 2891[19:56:00] <jim> this one is another alternative pastebin, it needs nc installed (netcat): you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
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• 2893[19:56:37] <jelly> ,file libgmp.so.3.* --release stretch
• 2894[19:56:41] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 2895[19:56:45] <jelly> ,file libgmp.so.3.* --release jessie
• 2896[19:56:48] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
• 2897[19:56:52] <jelly> ,file libgmp.so.3.* --release wheezy
• 2898[19:56:55] <judd> No packages in wheezy/amd64 were found with that file.
• 2899[19:57:32] <jelly> yellowman, so it's older than debian 7, you'll have to dig for the right binary package in debian 6 or earlier
• 2900[19:57:34] <yellowman> I'm assuming libgmp.so.3 means it wants GMP 3, but the source for that isn't even on the main website anymore!
• 2901[19:57:36] <yokowka> my mind is broken. too difficult for the first time....(
• 2902[19:58:00] <jelly> that assumption might or might not be right yellowman
• 2903[19:58:53] <greycat> yellowman: if this is a 3rd party binary that is known to run on such-and-such release of CentOS or something, just copy the libraries from an appropriately aged CentOS box
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• 2908[19:59:23] <yellowman> jelly: OK? Also, by "search", do you mean manually download a binary package from Debian's site, or put something in APT source files?
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• 2912[20:00:01] <jelly> both options might work, and you're going to have to dig into archive.debian.org
• 2913[20:00:01] <yellowman> greycat: I think I saw somewhere libgmp.so.3 from a site for CentOS 4 or something, but I thought that wouldn't be compatible?
• 2914[20:00:03] <greycat> !snapshot
• 2915[20:00:04] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 2919[20:00:22] <greycat> yellowman: you can try ^^ but if it's really designed for a non-Debian box, you may need non-Debian libs. Depends. YMMV.
• 2920[20:01:04] <yokowka> so wide
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• 2922[20:01:27] <yellowman> greycat: replaced-url
• 2923[20:01:44] <greycat> yellowman: it might. You can try.
• 2924[20:02:06] <greycat> With libraries, usually adding one to your system won't hurt anything even if it doesn't solve the problem, and then you can just remove it later.
• 2925[20:02:06] <yellowman> greycay: But how would I install RPMs in Debian? I think there was a tool used years ago but I can't recall now.
• 2926[20:02:21] <greycat> I didn't say install the RPM. I said copy the library.
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• 2928[20:03:01] <greycat> Installing foreign packages CAN hurt. Just copy the libgmp*.so.* file into /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ (or whatever is appropriate for your arch) and run ldconfig.
• 2929[20:03:24] <yellowman> greycat: So wait, this .rpm would contain the library file?
• 2930[20:03:41] <OtakuSen1ai> ping
• 2931[20:03:48] <greycat> If you don't have a red hat box to copy from, you might need to EXTRACT the files from the rpm. One way to do that is with rpm2cpio.
• 2932[20:03:53] <OtakuSen1ai> ping
• 2933[20:03:59] <OtakuSen1ai> ping
• 2934[20:04:32] <greycat> There may be other ways.
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• 2937[20:07:00] <yellowman> greycat: No longer complaining. Let's see if the program actually works...
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• 2945[20:08:39] <yellowman> greycat: Works! Thanks, rpm2cpio was that tool I forgot about..
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• 3018[20:43:23] <BouleDeGomme> Hello
• 3019[20:43:39] <jim> hi
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• 3026[20:49:53] <BouleDeGomme> I Have a noob question, sorry about that. But, is it possible to make a RAID 1 with one logical volum and one physical volume ?
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• 3028[20:50:41] <rounnus__> Hello. i have a problem with gnome-root terminal, i can open only once and if i try to open again after i close show me the loading and then nothing
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• 3036[20:55:02] <greycat> BouleDeGomme: my understanding is that md can make a RAID out of any two block devices, including LVM logical volumes and regular disk partitions.
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• 3043[20:59:41] <BouleDeGomme> greycat : thank you i will try then
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• 3067[21:11:51] <hyperlumic> BouleDeGomme: Might I ask why you would use an LVM logical volume as a RAID member?
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• 3076[21:16:56] <BouleDeGomme> hyperlumic : ofc, because i got one physical disk of 2 To, and a lot of other disk of 350Go, 250, etc... My goal is to create LV with all my "little" disks to have 2 To. And after that make a Raid
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• 3079[21:17:23] <greycat> This sounds like an extremely poor idea.
• 3080[21:17:30] <hyperlumic> ^
• 3081[21:17:38] <BouleDeGomme> humm
• 3082[21:18:10] <BouleDeGomme> What should i do ? buy on other 2 to disk ?
• 3083[21:18:12] <hyperlumic> I believe a better option would be to tell LVM how many physical copies of your data you want, and not use RAID for this.
• 3084[21:18:14] <BouleDeGomme> What should i do ? buy an other 2 to disk ?
• 3085[21:18:28] <greycat> That would be the best choice, if you have the budget.
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• 3087[21:18:34] <hyperlumic> Indeed.
• 3088[21:18:56] <BouleDeGomme> Ok
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• 3097[21:21:09] <BouleDeGomme> I think that i will do this then, thanks for you help guys.
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• 3145[21:54:15] <TandyUK> anyone know if its possible to symlink to "~/config.js" without it expanding, ie so then when joe tries to access it, he gets /home/joe/config.js, and bob gets /home/bob/config.js
• 3146[21:54:31] <greycat> It's not.
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• 3149[21:55:35] <somiaj> TandyUK: /etc is the standard location for configis you want system wide.
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• 3151[21:55:54] <greycat> He wants a "file" to appear different for each person, which is just not possible.
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• 3155[21:56:14] <greycat> You'll need to change the app to open a different file for each person, instead of the same file.
• 3156[21:56:31] <somiaj> here I was assuming some XY problem where the actual problem is having a single config for all users
• 3157[21:56:34] <greycat> (or she)
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• 3160[21:56:46] <greycat> It could be an X-Y, of couse.
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• 3164[21:57:05] <TandyUK> each user needs a specific config file, but $app they are using inisists on it being ./config.js relative to where they execute it
• 3165[21:57:17] <greycat> Write a wrapper that cd's to the user's $HOME.
• 3166[21:57:21] <TandyUK> i was hoping to symlink ./config.js to ~/config.js to alleviate this
• 3167[21:57:46] <greycat> Or just fix the program.
• 3168[21:57:51] <somiaj> yea, sounds like you should write some wrapper, or if possible fix the badly designed app
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• 3170[21:58:00] <TandyUK> doesnt help, the app still looks in ./ relative to where it is installed
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• 3172[21:58:11] <TandyUK> it sucks lol
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• 3174[21:58:32] <TandyUK> ive requested such from $dev, but hes unlikely to backport the fix to the old versions we still use
• 3175[21:58:41] <TandyUK> future ones, its having a complete overhaul
• 3176[21:58:41] <greycat> Do it yourself.
• 3177[21:58:57] <TandyUK> closed source too, or i would
• 3178[21:59:00] <TandyUK> wrapper is the only way
• 3179[21:59:07] <TandyUK> ty :)
• 3180[21:59:36] <somiaj> I don't think a patch to just change where the app looks for its config file is going to be that major and you might be able to quickly backport it, or write one for the version you are using
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• 3183[21:59:58] <TandyUK> again, no source, cant do that
• 3184[22:00:03] <TandyUK> would love to :P
• 3185[22:00:12] <greycat> I suppose he's not willing to risk hex-editing the binary.
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• 3187[22:00:32] <TandyUK> its encoded/encrypted node.js
• 3188[22:00:34] <jhutchins_wk> TandyUK: Most config files have a "inlude" option that would allow a standard skeleton and customization from ~/config.js
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• 3190[22:00:45] <greycat> and you're using this on purpose?
• 3191[22:00:54] <jhutchins_wk> Ah.
• 3192[22:00:55] <TandyUK> yup, its a wicked tool
• 3193[22:01:03] <jhutchins_wk> Closed source java. Great ides.
• 3194[22:01:07] <TandyUK> locked down like this primarily to stop people stealing it
• 3195[22:01:07] <jhutchins_wk> idea
• 3196[22:01:15] <greycat> *sigh*
• 3197[22:01:23] <TandyUK> so i kinda get the authors point for doing it like this lol
• 3198[22:01:32] <TandyUK> it would be highly stealable
• 3199[22:01:38] <jhutchins_wk> TandyUK: Just like Window$
• 3200[22:01:43] <TandyUK> just slightly irritating
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• 3203[22:02:48] <greycat> OK, obvious next question: *HOW* does it determine "where it is installed" in order to read the config file from that place? Can you trick that with a symlink or something? If it's just using argv[0] then you can.
• 3204[22:03:02] <greycat> If it's got a compiled-in absolute path, then you can't.
• 3205[22:03:47] <TandyUK> theres an option to pass in a config file location, so i'll just do that from my wrapper
• 3206[22:03:53] <greycat> Ah! Excellent.
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• 3209[22:04:26] <TandyUK> it has a few dependencies which must be located in similarly annoying places, which shot down my other ideas
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• 3211[22:04:40] <TandyUK> i'll just make the exe the user runs a wrapper to the real one
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• 3213[22:04:44] <TandyUK> and all sorted
• 3214[22:04:49] <greycat> sounds good
• 3215[22:05:06] <greycat> (except for the "exe" part)
• 3216[22:05:12] <TandyUK> tbf this wrapper could laos handle another issue i have
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• 3218[22:05:52] <TandyUK> we need multiple versions of this installed concurrently, but i stil lwant /usr/local/bin/newwrapper to load the latest (in /opt/app/version/...) by default
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• 3220[22:06:18] <TandyUK> ive been struggling to work out how to do that from a .deb, while ensuring if i did eg, install v4, install v1, the symlink doesnt point to v1
• 3221[22:06:38] <greycat> Just manually edit the /usr/local/bin/wicked wrapper each time it's needed.
• 3222[22:06:39] <TandyUK> now i just have a .deb for the individual version, which requires my new .deb for the wrapper
• 3223[22:06:54] <TandyUK> and the wrapper itself can handle the login to find the latest
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• 3225[22:06:58] <TandyUK> logic*
• 3226[22:07:03] <TandyUK> and ofc the config
• 3227[22:07:07] <greycat> or you could just edit the thing by hand
• 3228[22:07:15] <TandyUK> screw that lol
• 3229[22:07:19] <TandyUK> this is for automation :)
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• 3231[22:09:00] <fassl> you could also create docker containers, the wrapper copies the ~/config.js file and starts execs the app
• 3232[22:09:02] <TandyUK> so far ive got 'press power button on new vm', dhcp/pxe boot, os install including all relevant packages, >> ready to use down to about 5 mins :)
• 3233[22:09:24] <fassl> -execs
• 3234[22:09:26] <TandyUK> at that point our management agent can just start creating users, deploying their configs and telling supervisord to start them
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• 3337[23:09:41] <Mysterytrain> Ok I have a weird problem. I got a HP workstation, boots with UEFI as is pretty standard these days, no way to turn it off either. When I ran D-I, I made sure and pointed the installer at the ESP during partitioning. Use as: EFI system partition, I think it said. however, when it got to grub, I happened to be watching it, and it said: running grub-install dummy. dummy? Never seent hat before.
• 3338[23:09:42] <Mysterytrain> so obviously, it did not boot, and I got a grub rescue prompt on reboot. I chrooted in to the system, mounted /proc /sys and /dev, so on and scooby dooby, and ran efibootmgr. efi variables are not supported, it said. what is happening here.
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• 3340[23:11:39] <somiaj> Mysterytrain: maybe you booted in legacy mode. Are you booting from a debian install image, it should clearly state if you have botted in efi mode
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• 3346[23:15:27] <Mysterytrain> somiaj: well, /sys/firmware/efi existed during the install
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• 3377[23:30:48] <somiaj> Mysterytrain: I mean in terms of your recovery means, and also at boot the first boot screen should clearly state you are in efi mode
• 3378[23:30:52] <somiaj> !fixmbr
• 3379[23:30:52] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 3383[23:31:10] <somiaj> If you have grub-efi installed, that should basically work to isntall grub into the efi partition.
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• 3385[23:32:25] <Mysterytrain> is it really going to be that easy
• 3386[23:32:27] <Mysterytrain> lol
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• 3388[23:32:57] <Mysterytrain> lets find out
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• 3423[23:57:03] <Mysterytrain> with this new efi stuff, do you want: grub-install /dev/sda, or: grub-install /dev/sda1 where the efi partition is. just double checking before i run stuff
• 3424[23:58:08] <somiaj> my understanding is grub-install /dev/sda, since you have grub-efi installed it should know to put it in the efi partition (not the mbr)
• 3425[23:58:20] <somiaj> so it probably uses the partition table flags to know what efi partition
• 3426[23:58:35] <Mysterytrain> I was thinking the same, but you know abou the stupid question being the one not asked
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