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52[00:20:52] <Arthur_D> hi, when upgrading a Debian server from 7 to 8, should I reinstall it completely?
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56[00:21:15] <x032cx> looks like password is of interest so let shoot
57[00:21:20] <petn-randall> Arthur_D: No, it's enough to read the release notes of jessie and to follow the instructions.
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60[00:22:03] <Arthur_D> will that include the new init system?
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64[00:23:22] <x032cx> well 8 comes with systemd so i guess that is your new init
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68[00:24:59] <Arthur_D> yes. I have kinda already tried performing the upgrade, but the services depending on the old system seems to work still, so I am not sure if systemd is the startup daemon by default now
69[00:25:37] <Arthur_D> I'd assume those services would stop functioning until I made them systemd services
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76[00:26:37] <x032cx> just ls -l and see what you have there for init
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78[00:27:35] <Arthur_D> hmm, or read the docs, it says "The Debian upgrade from wheezy to jessie will by default migrate your init system from the SysV to systemd."
79[00:27:43] <Arthur_D> sorry, should have read before I asked
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86[00:30:57] <x032cx> i am still on 7 and not sure ill ever upgrade
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108[00:44:34] <hmir_> Hi guys.
109[00:45:21] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Hi!
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111[00:45:38] <hmir_> I looked at the help section on both debian's website, and the skype website in regards to installing skype. Both say, enable multiarch, and then download skype.deb package, install and then use apt-get -f install to solve issue of missing dependencies.
112[00:45:44] <hmir_> On 64 bit OS.
113[00:45:57] <hmir_> (skype doesn't have a 64 bit version, hence the enabling of multiarch.
114[00:46:27] <hmir_> Well, I did and it worked after running around in circles for a bit, but then I was left with no sound.
115[00:46:31] <hmir_> Anyone experience this?
116[00:46:59] <nkuttler> hmir_: do you use pulseaudio?
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125[00:48:52] <hmir_> No, alsa I believe.
126[00:49:28] <nkuttler> hmir_: skype only works with pa
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128[00:50:05] <hmir_> What happens if you install pulseaudio, do you have to uninstall alsa?
129[00:50:25] <nkuttler> no, you can use both alongside
130[00:50:39] <nkuttler> gets a little messy though..
131[00:51:52] <hmir_> well, I uninstalled skype, and autoremoved the i386 files that were no longer needed, and my sound is back after a reboot.
132[00:52:25] <hmir_> Unfortunately, this just looks like one of things where skype just isn't important enough for me to jump through 123123 hoops for.
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134[00:52:47] <nkuttler> oh, you had no *system* sound..
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136[00:52:57] <nkuttler> anyway, good for you
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140[00:54:58] <hmir_> So, I used "dokg --add-architecture 9386"
141[00:55:25] <hmir_> But if I try to remove it now (to clean up the skype installation), it says i286 is current in use by the database? What do I do?
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143[00:56:31] <hmir_> oh, it says here I have to remove all packages of that arch before i disable it.
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145[00:57:55] <x032cx> this is debian and skype is windows
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148[00:58:54] <alphazulu> "service .... status" "Hint: Some lines were ellipsized, use -l to show in full." but when I run service -l ... status it says uncrecognized service. service ... -l status and service ... status -l also do not work
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150[00:59:12] <hmir_> Skype is a bonafide package for Debian. Unfortunately, they have decided they can't be arsed to make 64 bit version for debian/linux.
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157[01:03:00] <alphazulu> no one?
158[01:03:15] <markybob> hmir_: you could be bothered to type correctly
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161[01:03:45] <barubaru> Where else can system store list of mounting points of /etc/mtab or /etc/fstab are empty?
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164[01:04:27] <alphazulu> ah i got it: systemctl -l status ...
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169[01:06:20] <alphazulu> service is provided by sysvinit-utils and systemctl by systemd
170[01:08:10] <hmir_> markybob: Huh?
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176[01:12:14] <alphazulu> barubaru: i don't understand the question
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178[01:13:12] <barubaru> Alphazulu i have a system where i can type "mount" and see many mounted points, but when i try to find the "/etc/mtab" file - there is none
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185[01:14:35] <alphazulu> barubaru: i'm not sure but you can always: grep -r mount /etc | less
186[01:15:07] <barubaru> okay, brute force may help, hehe )
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188[01:15:25] <alphazulu> barubaru: looks like libvirtd and tmpfs do a lot of stuff
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190[01:15:34] <alphazulu> plus nfs-common
191[01:16:25] <alphazulu> also /network/if-up.d/mountnfs
192[01:16:39] <alphazulu> guess it depends on what's installed
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199[01:24:32] <barubaru> Its not anywhere in /etc and i dont even have /network... probably i will have to do system-wide search
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213[01:30:32] <jmcnaught> barubaru: what kind of system is it? a container? what does "lsb_release -a ; uname -a" say? (please use replaced-url
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222[01:34:05] <barubaru> Yes, a container, nethunter, kali linux
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226[01:34:16] <markybob> !kali
227[01:34:16] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
228[01:34:23] <markybob> barubaru: i'm sorry we can't support kali
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234[01:35:18] <sideup66> hola room
235[01:35:31] <sideup66> silly question, i have a box i setup for someone with debian jessie netinstall
236[01:35:46] <sideup66> its a plex server, and runs great but i cannot get the monitor to sleep (its on 24/7)
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240[01:36:04] <sideup66> and thought id ask how can i force the system to sleep without causing burn in, mind you it has no desktop and no x
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249[01:39:05] <zykotick9> sideup66: i'm just curious. i'm unclear what "plex server" means, so i checked with "/msg dpkg plex" and it mentions a dead-upstream virtualization program, is that what you're talking about?
250[01:39:33] <sideup66> nono
251[01:39:38] <markybob> zykotick9: plex is a media server
252[01:39:42] <markybob> that was my assumption
253[01:39:44] <sideup66> yes, main goal of the box
254[01:39:49] <bazhang> he probably wants kodi
255[01:39:49] <zykotick9> markybob: ahhh, thanks.
256[01:40:12] <bazhang> ,v kodi
257[01:40:13] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 15.2+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 16.1+dfsg1-1; sid: 16.1+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo1
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259[01:40:31] <sideup66> so it of course has nothing else, and the user is a bit of a simpleton, so i setup the machine to be as automated as possible, and left no desktop, still have ssh to it so he can get files from it remotely and can help him out with a account if needbe
260[01:40:49] <markybob> so why is there a monitor?
261[01:41:00] <sideup66> laptop, so its built in
262[01:41:05] <sideup66> and id rather not toast his screen
263[01:41:22] <markybob> no modern laptop will burn in
264[01:41:32] <sideup66> its like from early 00s
265[01:41:37] <sideup66> ran xp in its heyday
266[01:41:43] <sideup66> dual core though so a later one
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270[01:42:08] <sideup66> i mean
271[01:42:14] <sideup66> it does a weekly reboot anyway for patching
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273[01:42:22] <sideup66> but i dont wanna over tempt it
274[01:42:27] <sideup66> and most installs ive done just sleep
275[01:42:34] <markybob> sideup66: replaced-url
276[01:42:35] <fred1807> my computer does NOT respect the priority of networks on wpa_suppliant
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278[01:43:06] <sideup66> markybob, thing is, this beast has no X :p
279[01:43:12] <sideup66> never had a desktop, dont need it
280[01:43:23] <sideup66> well no graphical
281[01:43:25] <sideup66> its just shell
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286[01:43:44] <markybob> sideup66: out of my wheelhouse. sorry.
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288[01:44:10] <sideup66> all good, might be fine, it does reboot weekly (yey cron)
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290[01:44:41] <sideup66> btw markybob not to brag linux master race and all, but i work in IT and it is master race, winderp boxes die left and right
291[01:44:46] <sideup66> my linux home stuff just doesnt break
292[01:44:48] <sideup66> its lovely
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294[01:45:30] <sideup66> actually making me think o specializing in it :)
295[01:45:34] <sideup66> of*
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317[01:57:59] <markybob> zykotick9: factoid fixed :P
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341[02:10:15] <Lady_Aleena> Darn, still not organization chart software for Linux.
342[02:10:25] <Lady_Aleena> s/not/no/;
343[02:10:41] <Lady_Aleena> I usually make that mistake the other way around.
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349[02:12:37] <Lady_Aleena> And no family tree software either. Darn it.
350[02:12:40] <zykotick9> markybob: that's a helpful "also a..." for those of us ignorant of "plex". thanks.
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359[02:16:15] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
360[02:16:47] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, be right back, my stove buzzer is going.
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368[02:19:39] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I just used apt-cache search 'org chart' and apt-cache search 'family tree'
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372[02:20:57] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, Gramps is a bit more complex than I need for drawing out fictional family trees.
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374[02:21:19] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: the aptitude search i gave you search for packages with the debtag field::genealogy, there were a couple of others. dia might be what you want
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378[02:21:46] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I looked at dia, and it looks like a gimp clone.
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380[02:21:58] <Lady_Aleena> If I am remembering correctly.
381[02:22:07] <jmcnaught> ,i dia
382[02:22:08] <judd> Package dia (graphics, optional) in jessie/amd64: Diagram editor. Version: 0.97.3-1; Size: 193.0k; Installed: 575k; Homepage: replaced-url
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384[02:23:19] <kumogami> Hihi! Anybody want to recommend a torrent friendly VPN service?
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386[02:23:55] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, have you ever used dia?
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389[02:26:01] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: no but my girlfriend was checking it out for her programming class. it's been around for a while. i think most people use it for making UML diagrams but it does seem more general than that.
390[02:26:27] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: i played with freemind before, but vym is new to me
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393[02:27:53] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I'm looking for something rather simple and easy to use.
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396[02:28:54] <Lady_Aleena> And buzzer again.
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417[02:40:23] <akhet> Anyone free to help with a networking issue?
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419[02:40:45] <dvs> !ask
420[02:40:46] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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431[02:44:09] <akhet> I'm having internet connection issues on a desktop Debian (Squeeze) install. Have a feeling it's a DNS issue. /etc/resolv.conf is completely blank. It appears dhclient is clearing it. That's the only network service running on the machine. Which is connected via eth0.
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438[02:46:43] <dvs> akhet, Is eth0 set up by getting an IP address from DHCP?
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440[02:47:38] <akhet> dvs, that's right. It has an IP and can ping the router.
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443[02:48:57] <dvs> akhet, my guess what be that the router does not have an IP for a nameserver
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448[02:51:22] <akhet> dvs, I'm currently on the same network experiencing no issues. Though suspiciously can't ping anything. traceroute gives expected results, though.
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451[02:52:08] <akhet> *can't ping outside of the local network, that is.
452[02:52:40] <Devastator> is there a way to check what command-line was used to start a service?
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454[02:52:49] <Devastator> full command-line in this case
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456[02:52:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> you could look in the logs what happens...
457[02:53:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> or if you know it's dhclient, you could run dhclient -d from the command line to see what it does
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460[02:53:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> not sure one sees what info it gets, though
461[02:55:22] <dvs> akhet, what were you trying to ping?
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464[02:56:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> Devastator, ps shows the options it's running with
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466[02:57:33] <Devastator> CutMeOwnThroat the line is too long, I need the full command to pastebin
467[02:57:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> what do you mean, too long
468[02:57:56] <akhet> CutMeOwnThroat: not much interesting there
469[02:57:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> ps auxreplaced-url
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474[02:58:42] <Devastator> CutMeOwnThroat thank you :)
475[02:58:53] <dvs> akhet, try ping 8.8.8.8
476[02:59:29] <akhet> dvs: nothing
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479[02:59:58] <akhet> but I can trace it
480[03:00:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> is this a virtual machine?
481[03:00:32] <akhet> CutMeOwnThroat: it's another laptop
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486[03:02:52] <akhet> It's a friends that I sort of take care of. I did an update a few weeks ago so I thought maybe something broke, up apparently the connection issues didn't being until a week or so later.
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488[03:03:05] <akhet> didn't begin*
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491[03:04:18] <rjsalts> akhet: is ping setuid root?
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493[03:05:03] <rjsalts> akhet: are you blocking icmp echo on a firewall of some kind?
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496[03:06:03] <akhet> rjsalts: I'm not sure, I'll check about the firewall
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500[03:07:22] <rjsalts> akhet: traceroute on linux uses udp by default
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506[03:11:08] <akhet> rjsalts: quick nmap scan says it may be blocking pings. It's one of those xfinity routers, figures. I'll mess with the firewall settings.
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516[03:16:44] <akhet> rjsalts: seems like the low/medium/high built in settings all block pings
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532[03:27:53] <incal> how do I autostart a process on boot in a specific tty with systemd? I managed to start the process but the I/O isn't in the tty
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563[03:46:34] <Arthur_D> how can I find the broadcast address of my interface?
564[03:47:01] <JustinHitla> I use command "sudo pand -n -c A4:CE:06:03:E0:16 -p10 -i hci0 -u /etc/bluetooth/pan/dev-up" it brings up "bnep0" interface but looks like commands from "dev-up" file don't run at all, they should bring interface up, assign ip, and assign route, but its if I don't use "-u file" option at all, so I need to run that file separately, so why do you
565[03:47:06] <JustinHitla> think it doesn't run by "pand" itself as it should ?
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568[03:47:55] <markybob> Arthur_D: /sbin/ifconfig -a will tell you what it's set at
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570[03:49:26] <Arthur_D> thanks :)
571[03:49:57] <JustinHitla> Arthur_D: or you can calculate it
572[03:50:15] <JustinHitla> just set all 1 where netmask is zero
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576[03:52:59] <markybob> JustinHitla: btw i find your nick offensive. if i were you i'd change it. you're going on /ignore because i don't need that
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588[03:59:03] <JustinHitla> is anyone even talking here ?
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592[04:04:11] <hildak> ahh it's a wonderful day
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594[04:08:03] <akhet> intersting thing on Debian squeeze happened to me. /etc/resolv.conf was being overwritten by some process and was completely blank. I'm not sure what was doing it, but I ran echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf && ifdown -a ; ifup -a
595[04:08:57] <akhet> and got: cannot move '/etc/resolv.conf.dhclient-new' to '/etc/resolv.conf'
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597[04:09:38] <markybob> really?
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599[04:10:25] <akhet> so then I assumed resolv.conf.dhclient-new was blank for some reason. It wasn't, and had the correct config.
600[04:11:31] <markybob> really nothing you've said has made sense
601[04:11:55] <markybob> what do you think echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" would do other than spit it out in console? it's not editing a file
602[04:12:06] <markybob> none of the rest has any logic either
603[04:12:35] <akhet> echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf is what I meant
604[04:13:00] <akhet> sorry about that
605[04:13:02] <markybob> yeah. things like that matter. kind of affect how we can help you. come back when you're sober
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607[04:13:53] <akhet> I don't need help. I fixed it and am sober. Just brought it up because it was strange.
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752[06:23:36] <password2> can someone help me perhaps in installing a few 32bit packages? I've tried to add the i386 architecture using dpkg but it still cant find the libs replaced-url
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755[06:27:21] <password2> I'm on debian 8.1
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758[06:29:01] <cerium> password2: i assume you are running stable? the packages appear to be in testing so you could use apt-pinning to pull them from there.
759[06:29:47] <cerium> oh i see, you said 8.1
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764[06:30:19] <password2> i think i am on stable
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766[06:30:56] <cerium> consider apt-pinning. you could also try to find the packages somewhere and manually install them with dpkg.
767[06:31:48] <password2> whenever i try to manually download the packages i get an dependency error
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770[06:33:01] <cerium> password2: replaced-url
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774[06:36:19] <cerium> if you don't like that approach then wait and maybe someone will have a better answer
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776[06:36:38] <password2> I'm reading through it now
777[06:36:49] <password2> i dont think i have much choice either way
778[06:38:00] <password2> packages always finds a way to own me
779[06:38:03] <cerium> just to be clear, i'm only saying the three packages you tried to install are in testing. no guarantee they actually provide those binaries (i assume you've already determined that via research)
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782[06:38:35] <password2> well that what the microchip site says
783[06:38:49] <cerium> ah
784[06:38:54] <password2> replaced-url
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786[06:39:32] <cerium> pin only the specific packages
787[06:39:42] <cerium> and hope you don't have dependency problems
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789[06:40:09] <cerium> you may want to do further research on apt pinning before continuing
790[06:40:17] <cerium> and make sure you're ok with it
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792[06:40:52] <password2> ok
793[06:41:07] <password2> well borking an install is part of linux usage
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795[06:41:13] <cerium> haha yeah
796[06:41:17] <somiaj> password2: you do not want to install packages for testing on stable. You will break your system (maybe) and won't get any support from us
797[06:41:36] <somiaj> if you need a package from testing and it is not in stable, check backports, if it is not in backports, build you own package (/msg dpkg ssb)
798[06:41:37] <password2> somiaj, i dont get much support anyway
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800[06:41:55] <password2> building sound like even more trouble
801[06:42:16] <somiaj> cerium: and advising that someone isntall packages from testing while running stable is usually considered bad advise, it has a chance to put their system in a broken state.
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808[06:42:34] <somiaj> password2: it is mostly automatic (depending ont he package) and far safter than installing the binaries from testing (espically because of the gcc5 transition)
809[06:43:24] <cerium> somiaj: that's why i suggested to do further reading on it before decided, and the apt preferences page i linked states to check backports first.
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811[06:43:30] <cerium> deciding*
812[06:44:10] <cerium> i also said to wait for someone else to possibly reply with a better answer. i tried to caution that it may not be the best.
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814[06:44:28] <cerium> regardless, it is an option that some people may choose.
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817[06:46:48] <cerium> password2: the packages don't appear to be in backports
818[06:47:33] <somiaj> password2: that script you are running probably wasn't written for debian? With apt-cache search you may find alternative libs it can use. Does the program come with any other install guides as to how to install it in debian jessie?
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822[06:48:19] <password2> only the one I linked
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824[06:48:44] <password2> maybe there are others
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833[06:51:33] <somiaj> password2: yea looking closer, libstd++6 is for gcc-6, which isn't available in jessie and I don't think is easily available (as you want to keep your core libc6 libary at the version in jessie which is 4.9 I think)
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835[06:53:19] <password2> meh
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837[06:53:26] <password2> then i am screwed once more
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839[06:53:57] <somiaj> password2: looks like they provide older versions, they might work for you and be compiled against the libs available in jessie.
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841[06:54:19] <jmcnaught> ,v libstdc++6
842[06:54:24] <judd> Package: libstdc++6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.7.2-5; jessie: 4.9.2-10; stretch: 6.1.1-1; sid: 6.1.1-3
843[06:54:40] <password2> i think it will be better to switch to a windows version instead
844[06:54:47] <jmcnaught> somiaj: password2: i don't think the 6 means gcc6 for this package
845[06:54:48] <somiaj> jmcnaught: hmm, I thought I looked but I didn't see it in jessie. Guess i'm blind
846[06:54:53] <password2> using wine
847[06:55:10] <password2> the only reason i avoid it is because i dont have enough internet cap
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849[06:55:50] <somiaj> jmcnaught: yea you are correct, I overloked that, my search only gave me the stretch packages which are compiled against gcc6
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852[06:56:23] <jmcnaught> password2: i just took a look at your paste and the packages that it's saying are missing are available on my system
853[06:56:26] <somiaj> password2: replaced-url
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855[06:57:03] <somiaj> password2: care to give us the output of 'apt-cache policy'
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857[06:57:37] <jmcnaught> password2: did you do "dpkg --add-architecture i386" and then "apt-get update"?
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860[06:58:19] <password2> jmcnaught, yes
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863[06:58:36] <password2> replaced-url
864[06:59:06] <markybob> a lot of us can't view pastebin. i cant. use paste.debian.net
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867[06:59:37] <somiaj> password2: your sources.list are incpomplete you only contain security.debian.org sources, you don't actually have the main debian sources.
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869[06:59:51] <markybob> !sources.list
870[06:59:51] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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872[07:00:04] <cerium> that'll do it
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879[07:03:11] <password2> it found things to install , thanx
880[07:03:27] <password2> will see if this resolves all my issues
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884[07:04:58] <password2> there we go , the installer is happy
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891[07:09:35] <password2> meh , now i need a compiler
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900[07:15:35] <markybob> can some gnu screen master explain to me why this happens and wtf? replaced-url
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904[07:18:19] <markybob> it's not attached. i'm on a cell phone tether and that's why i use screen. my connection sucks
905[07:18:32] <jmcnaught> markybob: what if you do "screen -dr"?
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907[07:19:28] <markybob> jmcnaught: thank you for correcting my dumbassery. it works.
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909[07:20:16] <jmcnaught> markybob: actually i prefer "screen -DR" which does a power reattach (logs out the other remote if it's still running)
910[07:20:43] <jmcnaught> markybob: you might also like replaced-url
911[07:20:57] <markybob> jmcnaught: will read up on that. thanks again
912[07:21:04] <jmcnaught> cheers
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1062[09:12:32] <awk> hi, can someone advise, when building a deb I need to do something like this after clean: ps aux | grep mysql | grep jasper | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9
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1065[09:13:26] <awk> problem is if I do it that was it strips the $, if I do the bash way of mysqlpid=($ps..... ; kill -9 $mysqlpid it strips the $
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1089[09:38:03] <madprops> is there something else i need to do to fully upgrade to testing?
1090[09:38:17] <madprops> can't seem to be able to install gnome-session due to unmet dependencies
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1107[09:53:58] <madprops> well upgrading to unstable fixed it
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1121[10:01:35] <rjsalts> anyone know why my screen session is coming up with "No more PTYs." This is only one instance of screen when trying to use "screen -S foo -X screen". If I start up another instance of screen it works fine
1122[10:01:54] <rjsalts> all the stuff in /dev/pts seems fine, etc.
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1131[10:07:39] <rjsalts> replaced-url
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1133[10:09:18] <d3lphi> hi all. Maybe you remember, I wrote about 10 hours ago here where my Debian VM crashed and wasnt able to reboot any more. It throwed me these errors at boot time ==> replaced-url
1134[10:09:24] <d3lphi> already on Jessie, look here ==> replaced-url
1135[10:09:44] <d3lphi> why does an "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" cause the machine not to boot any more and fail with the showed screenshots ?? I dont understand. It *IS* on Jessie
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1140[10:10:56] <Guest28607> Hi, i wan to install Debian but idk what iso to use: debian-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent or debian-update-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent what's the difference plz ?
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1143[10:11:40] <Guest28607> debian update is better ?
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1147[10:13:40] <d3lphi> debian update ? what you mean Guest28607 ?
1148[10:14:18] <Guest28607> in here replaced-url
1149[10:14:39] <d3lphi> anyone can help related to my question above?
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1151[10:16:06] <rjsalts> Guest28607: replaced-url
1152[10:16:51] <Guest28607> ty
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1155[10:17:24] <rjsalts> Guest28607: i.e. if you don't have the CD/DVD for jessie already the update will be largely pointless
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1162[10:19:06] <d3lphi> is replaced-url
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1168[10:21:03] <rjsalts> d3lphi: that was after running apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade with jessie in your sources.list
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1171[10:22:25] <rjsalts> d3lphi: but it looks like you originally had squeeze from the cdrom line (so presumably you've done squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie over the lifetime of the VM)
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1174[10:23:31] <rjsalts> d3lphi: presumably there is something in replaced-url
1175[10:23:34] <d3lphi> rjsalts: yes correct, it started with squeeze, that's why you still see the commented lines sources.list. Then it was upgraded to wheezy and I thinkg it was then updated to jessie. Yesterday I did run only "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and NOT apt-get dist-upgrade
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1177[10:25:07] <d3lphi> how do I check if I have currently installed packages from "jessie" ?
1178[10:25:43] <rjsalts> d3lphi: the only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that upgrade will not install or uninstall any new packages to satisfy dependencies
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1181[10:26:12] <rjsalts> d3lphi: apt-get -s dist-upgrade
1182[10:26:46] <d3lphi> but that still doesn't explain why the upgrade yesterday failed and caused the showed errors
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1186[10:29:09] <Lope> is there a way to use smbmount on jessie? I'm using a kernel with no CIFS support. So I'd like to mount using some userspace tool?
1187[10:29:15] <rjsalts> d3lphi: I'd suggest looking at systemctl status
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1191[10:30:32] <Lope> I don't see a smbfs package in jessie.
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1194[10:33:21] <d3lphi> rjsalts: I suspect that my problem machine does contain "jessie" in its sources.list (by the former admin) but was not upgraded to Jessie yet. Because when I look at the screenshot "replaced-url
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1221[10:42:33] <d3lphi> how do I check if systemd or sysv is used on a Debian system ?
1222[10:42:47] <CyberJacob> Does anybody know of a USB Wi-Fi adapter that supports monitor mode under Debian?
1223[10:43:14] <CyberJacob> strugaling to find one that doesn't use the RTL8188cu chipset
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1229[10:45:03] <TomTomTosch> d3lphi: 'ps aux' and see what has PID 1.
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1234[10:47:14] <d3lphi> TomTomTosch: ok, so when I run "stat /proc/1/exe" and I get a reply "file: „/proc/1/exe“ -> „/lib/systemd/systemd“" does that definitely is a proof that systemd is running ?
1235[10:48:18] <d3lphi> the same for "stat /sbin/init" (this is PID 1 in my case according to ps aux). That command also outputs /lib/systemd/systemd so my machine is definitely on systemd, right ?
1236[10:48:24] <TomTomTosch> should be.
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1238[10:49:54] <Ingvix> what was the option to change owner of the directory and all its files with chown?
1239[10:50:04] <Ingvix> my english is a bit poor for the help to know for sure
1240[10:50:17] <d3lphi> and " dpkg -S /sbin/init" throws me as result "systemd-sysv: /sbin/init" so I assume my system definitely is on Jessie, right ?
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1242[10:50:45] <d3lphi> Ingvix: "chown -R foo /directory"
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1244[10:50:59] <Ingvix> d3lphi, thanks
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1246[10:51:09] <d3lphi> Ingvix: you're welcome
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1248[10:51:47] <Elronnd> Do I want DVD-1, 2, or 3?
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1250[10:51:58] <d3lphi> Elronnd: DVD-6
1251[10:52:19] <d3lphi> Elronnd: what the hell are you talking about and how should WE know ?
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1254[10:52:36] <TomTomTosch> Elronnd: if the target system has an internet connection you can go with netinst. otherwise the installer is on the first dvd.
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1256[10:53:19] <Elronnd> wait
1257[10:53:29] <Elronnd> does netinst mean something other than boot from LAN?
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1260[10:54:03] <TomTomTosch> it means it only installs the base system from your install medium and pulls everything else from the internet.
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1263[10:54:32] <Elronnd> ah, okay
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1265[10:54:37] <Elronnd> that makes more sense
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1307[11:23:14] <cool> hello
1308[11:23:22] <cool> i am cool
1309[11:23:23] <cool> rg
1310[11:23:24] <cool> hter
1311[11:23:25] <cool> hbewh
1312[11:23:25] <cool> ehse
1313[11:23:26] <cool> begg
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1330[11:29:24] <InFerNo_> Does anyone know how I can suppress the message "usb 2-1-port2: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?"
1331[11:29:28] <InFerNo_> It's spamming my terminal and all the usb's work regardless
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1334[11:31:47] <DrBunsen> Hello, does anyone know why my fullscreen games launch my second screen, eventhough I set vnidia to launch it on my main one? (Main screen the second screen according to desktop manager)
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1432[12:21:44] <m__> Hello. I have just installed Debian, and on my first boot it shows a command line how do I go to GUI
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1436[12:23:34] <a1p> m__: which iso?
1437[12:23:49] <a1p> if it was Debian mini, there's no GUI by default.
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1439[12:24:10] <Kirito> replaced-url
1440[12:25:10] <m__> It was netinsall
1441[12:25:18] <Guest33124> Hi, i have debian jessie and i want to install Steam i have installed the Nvidia driver from backport but when i launch Steam it stay that "You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:libGL.so.1" what should i do plz if i install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 it will break my driver from backport ?
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1446[12:27:06] <abrotman> m__: which GUI do you want?
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1448[12:27:47] <Guest33124> execute tasksel and select Xfce or another guy
1449[12:27:52] <a1p> m__: netinstall is the same as mini
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1453[12:28:17] <a1p> m__: ++, tasksel or aptiitude and choose GUI meta-package
1454[12:28:24] <m__> Ah, okay. So should is natal de from this command line, right?
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1456[12:28:32] <m__> I install*
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1458[12:28:41] <a1p> yep
1459[12:28:42] <abrotman> m__: yes, you can. Which GUI do yo uwant?
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1463[12:30:33] <m__> Xfce
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1466[12:30:45] <m__> What options do I have, though?
1467[12:31:06] <abrotman> almost all available to linux
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1470[12:31:49] <m__> Abrotman: thanks
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1475[12:34:56] <flog> oh nice, svorak.a5 was included by default with xorg!
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1516[12:58:17] <m__> Hey, I have installed Mate, but it still goes straight to that command line and not GUI
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1521[13:00:49] <m__> Anybody?
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1537[13:06:38] <teraflops> m__: install a DM? replaced-url
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1540[13:06:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> what else is mate, but a dm
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1542[13:07:14] <teraflops> CutMeOwnThroat: mate is a DE
1543[13:07:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> err
1544[13:07:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah
1545[13:07:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> I just realized the letter mixup
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1549[13:07:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> one second too late
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1551[13:08:09] <teraflops> sice m__ didn't mention startx I just threw at him the DM wiki page
1552[13:08:46] <abrotman> he probably watns to install xorg also
1553[13:09:34] <teraflops> sure, I don't remember if installing a DE installs xorg as well
1554[13:09:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> that seems likely... but doesn't at least a dm pull in that one anyway
1555[13:10:26] <m__> Have xdm installed
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1558[13:10:36] <m__> But at the login screen it has frozen
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1562[13:12:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> I thought " but it still goes straight to that command line and not GUI"
1563[13:12:23] <m__> Strange
1564[13:12:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> you don't mention a frozen login screen
1565[13:12:46] <m__> Now there is after installing xdm
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1567[13:13:08] <teraflops> m__: for mate lightdm or gdm sounds like a better choice
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1570[13:13:37] <m__> How should I install it now, system strategy away goes to xdm frozen screen
1571[13:13:59] <teraflops> ctrl+alt+f whatever?
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1573[13:14:52] <m__> Nah ctrl all F1 etc isn't working
1574[13:14:56] <teraflops> ctrl+alt+f{1,2,3,4,5,6...}
1575[13:15:07] <m__> Alt*
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1581[13:17:09] <Manis> Hi. I'm looking for a fast ARM board, on which I can easily run Debian (preferably mainline kernel). Any suggestions?
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1585[13:19:28] <teraflops> Manis: I like ODROID-XU4
1586[13:19:54] <teraflops> Manis: there are literally hundred of arm boards out there
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1589[13:20:31] <Manis> teraflops, it looks interesting, but can I use debian-installer?
1590[13:20:49] <teraflops> not sure Manis
1591[13:20:54] <teraflops> I'm*
1592[13:21:14] <Manis> teraflops, do you have one yourself?
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1598[13:22:49] <teraflops> not yet (waiting) but I have sevral odroids C1 U3 etc, I run debian there with official repos via community images
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1600[13:23:05] <teraflops> by community I mean a guy that did by himself
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1603[13:24:51] <Manis> teraflops, OK. I prefer to install a system the way I like it by myself.
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1605[13:25:24] <iKarith> Hi all, I have a udev question: When configuring a device with ATTRS{port_number}==0, how do I determine if there is a device with ATTRS{port_number}==1? In other words, if the device will be configured differently based on whether or not it has more than one port, how do I detect that?
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1608[13:25:46] <Manis> I'm really considering the 96Boards HiKey. Apart from the kernel it looks like you can get it up and running without much of hassle (even comes preinstalled with Debian)
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1610[13:25:55] <teraflops> Manis: I prefer ask myself about the money, sata or no sata, gbit ethernet, built in bt/wifi or not etc
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1613[13:27:03] <teraflops> Manis: what's your goal? devel? gaming? workstation? multimedia? headless server?
1614[13:27:28] <Manis> teraflops, That's important too but I don't want to tinker around with it for everything I want to do. I want to set it up once and then have it running without much maintenance
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1616[13:28:44] <jeremie> Hi people o/
1617[13:29:22] <jeremie> i'm currently trying to update my debian, with the command line => 'apt-get update'
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1619[13:30:22] <brontosaurusrex> jeremie: and?
1620[13:30:24] <jeremie> but i get a timeout error message >__<
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1622[13:31:15] <jeremie> so my question is => could anyone give me some hints about how i could troubleshoot this problem ?
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1624[13:31:17] <jeremie> please ?
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1627[13:32:32] <Manis> jeremie, can you "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d"?
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1630[13:33:18] <jeremie> yes, of course, here's my sources.list =>
1631[13:33:24] <jeremie> deb replaced-url
1632[13:33:25] <jeremie> deb-src replaced-url
1633[13:33:27] <jeremie> deb replaced-url
1634[13:33:28] <jeremie> deb-src replaced-url
1635[13:33:30] <jeremie> deb replaced-url
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1637[13:34:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> err
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1640[13:35:00] <teraflops> combo
1641[13:35:01] <Manis> that escalated quickly...
1642[13:35:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> yach... well
1643[13:35:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> !next
1644[13:35:32] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1648[13:36:45] <Manis> not sure if the customer was happy though
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1650[13:37:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't see him saying he's not
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1652[13:38:25] <iKarith> Yeah, don't see how to distinguish the first port of a multi-port device from a single port device
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1656[13:40:34] <jeremie> ok, sorry, i'll use pastebin from now on,...
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1661[13:41:11] <jeremie> So, for the "ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d", here it is => "total 0"
1662[13:42:20] <jeremie> And for the cat sources.list, it's here too =>
1663[13:42:22] <jeremie> replaced-url
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1665[13:43:03] <Manis> jeremie, OK. can you pastebin the output of apt-get update?
1666[13:43:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> those addresses use some http redirection to find the best mirror and some people have problems with those
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1681[13:45:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> you could try switching replaced-url
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1683[13:46:09] <jeremie> CutMeOwnThroat: i did so and i just successfully made my apt-get update !
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1688[13:46:39] <jeremie> CutMeOwnThroat, Manis : Thank you, i'm now trying to make an apt-get upgrade ^^"
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1692[13:46:57] <Manis> jeremie, good luck
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1832[14:37:41] <nkz> Hi, I just installed debian but I am having problem with fonts in webpages. Some headings look tall and blurred. Here is an example: replaced-url
1833[14:37:52] <nkz> any ideas how to fix this?
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1835[14:38:20] <nkz> It happens in iceweasel too
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1841[14:39:21] <Cerealkill3r> nkz, I had that problem too, when I first installed Debian, try this link replaced-url
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1848[14:41:27] <nkz> Cerealkill3r: I did that! Usual normal font on webpages look a lot better after I installed those packages and changed a style, but the heading font like in my example is still weird
1849[14:41:53] <Cerealkill3r> nkz, hmm, this is weird, did you log out and log back in?
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1851[14:42:22] <nkz> yes Cerealkill3r
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1853[14:42:34] <Cerealkill3r> does this only happen in iceweasel?
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1859[14:43:06] <nkz> In chrome too
1860[14:43:40] <Cerealkill3r> i'm looking at the screenshot, the font seems to be good
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1862[14:44:07] <nkz> Cerealkill3r: check bottom left, top right for example
1863[14:44:08] <Cerealkill3r> oh, sorry, i looked at it again, what font are you using?
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1866[14:44:39] <nkz> Droid sans
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1876[14:48:00] <Cerealkill3r> nkz, I've never seen this before, i thought it was just the default debian font rendering that's bothering you, have you tried changing the font?
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1883[14:50:37] <nkz> I did in both chrome and system. It isn't helping, just makes it worse
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1891[14:52:17] <Cerealkill3r> I'm sorry, I don't think I can help you, I think you'll have to dig it up on google,btw is that KDE that you're using?
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2120[16:12:26] <DrBunsen> Hello, I have installed the nvidia prop drivers and steam, and running a multiple screen desktop. My problem is that games do not get portrayed on the main screen, does anybody know what I should do to fix this?
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2132[16:18:36] <nkuttler> DrBunsen: #steamlug
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2152[16:28:15] <Spine> ù
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2192[16:45:39] <Tundra-Server> Can someone help me install dosemu on jessie? I see that its available on the website(the debian website) But I can't find it with "apt search" and I cannot install it with either apt-get or apt
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2197[16:46:53] <donoban> Tundra-Server: try "apt-get update" first, then apt-get install dosemu
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2199[16:47:55] <Tundra-Server> donoban: ah, that may well be it. I tend to forget that one
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2201[16:48:33] <donoban> and maybe you don't have extra repository enabled
2202[16:48:33] <Tundra-Server> donoban: nada: E: Package 'dosemu' has no installation candidate
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2207[16:49:42] <donoban> edit your /et/apt/source.list
2208[16:49:56] <donoban> you should have some line like deb replaced-url
2209[16:50:05] <donoban> add extra after non-free
2210[16:50:14] <donoban> run apt-get update && apt-get install dosemu again
2211[16:50:53] <donoban> ahhh
2212[16:50:54] <donoban> no
2213[16:50:55] <donoban> lol
2214[16:51:03] <donoban> Tundra-Server: forgive it, it's on contrib
2215[16:51:08] <donoban> extra doesn't exist, do you have contrib enabled?
2216[16:51:23] <Tundra-Server> Ah, no I do not
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2218[16:51:30] <donoban> that's the problem :)
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2223[16:53:35] <Tundra-Server> donoban: that seems to have done it. Thank you sir
2224[16:53:38] <aubergine> hi. without having "-I INPUT -p icmpv6 -j ACCEPT" in the ip6tables configuration my ipv6 connectivity doesn't work after a few minutes. I can't ping ipv6.google.com anymore and so on.
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2226[16:53:43] <donoban> nice
2227[16:53:44] <aubergine> Any ideas?
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2230[16:56:00] <donoban> aubergine: do you have ACCEPT policy?
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2233[16:58:06] <aubergine> no i have DROP. I see that the gateway is sending icmp6 messages all the time. These get blocked then.
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2238[17:01:24] <aubergine> Ok. I found out that ICMP has a different role in ipv6. Sorry. replaced-url
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2265[17:14:09] <aubergine> Is is secure to accept any ipv6 icmp on a directly internet connected device?
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2283[17:19:56] <password2> is ismp unsecure?
2284[17:20:21] <password2> no its not
2285[17:20:38] <password2> you can abuse it , but ot much more
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2288[17:21:16] <password2> the worst being ping and tracert , which is almost the same actually
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2297[17:24:49] <hiya> markybob, hey man, does crontab go in order?
2298[17:24:55] <hiya> like we add two things to it
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2301[17:25:01] <aubergine> i guess. but it was common to filter it out on ipv4 network right?
2302[17:25:01] <hiya> would it run the first thing first?
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2311[17:29:30] <TomTomTosch> hiya: you probably should ask the channel if you have a question. it's rude to just ping someone who has helped you before. and yes, it should run in order, if multiple entries have the same times.
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2316[17:29:52] <hiya> ok
2317[17:29:52] <hiya> :]
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2326[17:32:43] <hiya> TomTomTosch, Cannot I set a crontab for when a particular reboots? For example openvpn instance restarts etc?
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2329[17:34:12] <beardyname> more of a general question, but will my mobo without a built in gpu post without a graphics card?
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2334[17:34:51] <beardyname> I'm gonna run my old 920 as a server, and wondering if i need to find a cheap gp card to stick in there (after the initial install ofc)
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2354[17:40:48] <TomTomTosch> beardyname: you can even install debian without a graphics cards. this has more info: replaced-url
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2357[17:42:02] <beardyname> TomTomTosch, but will it post?
2358[17:42:05] <beardyname> I'm not sure
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2360[17:42:39] <TomTomTosch> yes.
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2362[17:42:55] <programmerq> beardyname: I've seen motherboards that have both behaviors.
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2365[17:43:35] <beardyname> programmerq, only way to find out is to test then :)
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2367[17:43:39] <programmerq> yup
2368[17:43:49] <beardyname> Since I'm gonna run it headless i might as well try before getting something cheap
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2371[17:44:11] <beardyname> (I don't really want to run it fulltime with a gaming graphics card in there)
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2376[17:45:12] <beardyname> thx man!
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2378[17:45:52] <TomTomTosch> maybe you will have to press a key for the bios to proceed. depending on your mb.
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2383[17:46:52] <TomTomTosch> so just mash your keyboard if it doesn't boot, i guess.
2384[17:46:57] <beardyname> :D
2385[17:47:06] <beardyname> I have a lot of testing to do so ^^
2386[17:47:09] <beardyname> I'll mash away
2387[17:47:28] <TomTomTosch> good luck x)
2388[17:47:36] <beardyname> I have a bit of reading to do ^^
2389[17:47:52] <beardyname> (and it's gonna take 2-3 days before my new computer gets here)
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2391[17:48:01] <jelly> or put in a cpu that does, er, have a gpu inside
2392[17:48:02] <beardyname> Hopefully my old 920 will turn out decent as a server
2393[17:48:15] <beardyname> gl with finding one for the 1366 platform :D
2394[17:48:24] <jelly> I have one lying around.
2395[17:48:43] <jelly> replaced the original i3-540 with an aes-ni capable i5-660
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2398[17:49:09] <jelly> got the latter for... $50 or so
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2403[17:49:41] <beardyname> sure but then i would have to find an 5+ year old mobo to go along with it
2404[17:49:48] <jelly> same board.
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2406[17:50:03] <beardyname> my mobo has no video out connectos
2407[17:50:05] <beardyname> connectors*
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2409[17:50:07] <jelly> hah
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2411[17:50:34] <jelly> so much about that idea then
2412[17:50:38] <beardyname> :P
2413[17:50:42] <beardyname> ty for trying though
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2425[17:52:52] <beardyname> hopefully the power drain of the 920 won't kill me...
2426[17:53:49] <TomTomTosch> think about the ice bears?
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2439[17:57:23] <beardyname> TomTomTosch, I do, that's why i stay indoors in front of a screen :)
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2477[18:14:34] <Ingvix> pecl5.6-sp: command not found
2478[18:14:39] <Ingvix> what to do
2479[18:14:55] <Ingvix> I have all the needed packages installed
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2482[18:15:28] <Ingvix> does my repositorys have outdated data
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2504[18:24:33] <Ingvix> oh, I was suppose use just pecl..
2505[18:24:35] <Ingvix> never mind then
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2519[18:29:08] <n3ss> just installed debian on my desktop PC with an nvidia graphics card - for some reason the system is not detecting any monitors connected to that card
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2524[18:29:40] <n3ss> only getting a display on a monitor that's connected to my motherboard/onboard gpu after grub.
2525[18:30:03] <n3ss> any suggestions would be much appreciated
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2529[18:31:32] <_Agrid> hi !
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2531[18:31:58] <_Agrid> I have some difficulties on raspbian
2532[18:31:59] <towo`> n3ss, maybe you have to activate the nvidia card 1st in your bios?
2533[18:32:24] <n3ss> hrm, should be activated but i'll check there. the device is showing up in lspci | grep VGA
2534[18:32:31] <towo`> _Agrid, then you should ask the raspbian folks
2535[18:32:45] <bazhang> #raspbian
2536[18:33:42] <n3ss> and xrandr shows ports from (presumably) that card as disconnected.
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2538[18:34:05] <_Agrid> towo thanks U but it seems nobody talk on the chan
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2541[18:34:26] <bazhang> _Agrid, then be patient
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2544[18:34:54] <_Agrid> my problem is about network difficulties
2545[18:35:02] <n3ss> I'm guessing i'm going to have to write my own xorg.conf.
2546[18:35:16] <_Agrid> I think the response could be the same on debian
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2548[18:35:31] <towo`> n3ss, do you want to use both gpu's?
2549[18:35:43] <n3ss> right now I'd be content with using just the nvidia
2550[18:35:47] <bazhang> _Agrid, as far as I know this channel does not support raspbian
2551[18:36:08] <towo`> n3ss, then set in your bios the graphics system to peg 1st
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2556[18:36:48] <n3ss> i'll see if i have that option. thanks.
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2558[18:37:09] <towo`> n3ss, modern ardware does not deactivate igpu by installing a discrete card
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2560[18:37:50] <_Agrid> ok bazhang thank u for your flexibility
2561[18:38:23] <_Agrid> it s just jessie operating system
2562[18:38:30] <_Agrid> :)
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2565[18:40:46] <tarkaram> hello all, am trying to remote desktop into my debian machine from my windows laptop, the login process goes through fine but I am getting a message that says "Oh no, something has gone wrong!" A problem has occured and the system cant recover
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2567[18:41:12] <tarkaram> Apprciate any inputs on how to resolve this issue, google didnt quite help
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2576[18:42:40] <_Agrid> I try to setup AP Wifi on my raspberry from this tuto replaced-url
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2578[18:43:00] <debidi> tarkaram: run viewer from commandline with verbose output (if there is such option)
2579[18:43:04] <_Agrid> before bridging all is OK
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2581[18:43:19] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell _Agrid about raspbian
2582[18:43:25] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell _Agrid about based on debian
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2584[18:43:54] <n3ss> I'll no for sure in a sec, but I think that may have worked.
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2586[18:44:00] <n3ss> know *
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2589[18:44:46] <jmcnaught> _Agrid: you of course have the option on running Debian on the device, but Raspbian is a modified version, and the Debian volunteers here don't follow everything that's been changed in every derivative
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2594[18:45:24] <jelly> and those that do are actually present in #raspbian as well
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2596[18:45:33] <_Agrid> jmcnaught: I understant, but i am sure it just network aspect like on debian config
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2603[18:47:15] <bazhang> ##networking then _Agrid
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2606[18:48:10] <bazhang> jelly whats the factoid for shiny new stuff if you are aware
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2611[18:49:17] <_Agrid> Thank U ! have a good day
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2632[18:54:45] <jelly> bazhang: !sns
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2637[18:55:45] <bazhang> cheers jelly
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2645[18:59:20] <ziz15> can someone install debian arm on a tablet?
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2649[19:00:46] <TomTomTosch> depends on what tablet you have. you will have to search the internet if someone ported debian to that model.
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2653[19:02:24] <ziz15> TomTomTosch: its a manta tablet i dont believe someone has ported debian on it show i will like to know if i could try the arm image..
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2663[19:06:03] <laerus> hey, anyone else has a broken nvidia driver on stretch?
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2665[19:06:20] <laerus> after the last ipgra
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2667[19:06:26] <laerus> upgrade*
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2669[19:06:49] <markybob> !debian-next
2670[19:06:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2682[19:11:10] <laerus> i am getting a "Failed to open drm device"
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2688[19:11:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> markybob, the factoid should mention more that it's on freenode, not here
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2694[19:12:35] <markybob> laerus: did you read the factoid? you're in the wrong place
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2697[19:13:34] <n3ss> made some prorgess, but xrandr is only detecting one monitor, and it's running at like 1024x768
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2706[19:16:45] <Wtflux> why is replaced-url
2707[19:17:05] <Wtflux> just curious, not bitching or complaining..i plan to use paste.deb as my new home for all paste related programming/code stuffs
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2712[19:19:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> you must mean paste.debian.net?
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2717[19:20:29] <TomTomTosch> maybe some of us are in special need of those drugs.
2718[19:20:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I guess that's just the internets at work
2719[19:20:48] <TomTomTosch> or it's because it's open and free so spammers use it.
2720[19:21:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's always someone to abuse something, however pointless and stupid it may be to do so
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2725[19:22:15] <jelly> because throttling is ineffective and spam filtering at POST time is HARD?
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2728[19:22:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> let's go shopping
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2731[19:23:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> jelly, well, write to Mr Wirt and tell him that!
2732[19:23:55] * jelly goes shopping instead
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2817[19:55:00] <Wtflux> i just wonder why the spammers find paste so appealing?
2818[19:55:04] <Wtflux> is it one way to mask a link?
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2831[20:01:04] <hiddentooruser> Hi folks, i am having trouble installing php7 on debian 8.4 jessie
2832[20:01:23] <hiddentooruser> so basically, when i run "apt-cache search php7" it will find nothing
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2836[20:01:30] <hiddentooruser> same for notepadqq
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2838[20:02:10] <hiddentooruser> root@GTFO:/# apt-cache search php7
2839[20:02:11] <hiddentooruser> root@GTFO:/# apt-cache search notepadqq
2840[20:02:11] <hiddentooruser> root@GTFO:/#
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2842[20:02:35] <TomTomTosch> ,v php7.0
2843[20:02:36] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.6-1; sid: 7.0.6-3; sid: 7.0.6-10
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2845[20:02:54] <markybob> hiddentooruser: it's not in jessie. will never be in jessie
2846[20:02:58] <TomTomTosch> it's not in jessie.
2847[20:03:26] <TomTomTosch> there he was faster than me x)
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2851[20:04:44] <teraflops> hiddentooruser: your hostname is amazing thanks for sharing it with all of us :P
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2853[20:05:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> :D
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2856[20:05:49] <hiddentooruser> yeah np, and what are you going to do with this information :3 ?
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2858[20:06:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> tease you?
2859[20:06:46] <hiddentooruser> oh oki, i thought that may open up gates to my system :>
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2862[20:07:13] <teraflops> hiddentooruser: there's no php7 in debian jessie
2863[20:07:21] <hiddentooruser> :0
2864[20:07:22] <Wtflux> nice host name i'll look into using it in the future
2865[20:07:25] <hiddentooruser> why not D: ?
2866[20:07:31] <hiddentooruser> thanks guys :>
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2868[20:07:44] <Wtflux> much better than mine (r00tie)
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2870[20:08:07] <hiddentooruser> dont worry, thats a nice one too mate
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2872[20:08:16] <Wtflux> heaps
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2874[20:08:40] <hiddentooruser> so there is no chance i can get php7 running on my system :$ ?
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2876[20:08:51] <TomTomTosch> not from the official repo.
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2879[20:09:00] <hiddentooruser> ohh :(
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2881[20:09:21] <hiddentooruser> i wonder why ubuntu offers this, but not debian
2882[20:09:32] <teraflops> it's in testing isn't it?
2883[20:09:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> why's there a php5 (meta) package and a php7.0 package but no php6[.0] package or the likes anyway
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2885[20:09:42] <TomTomTosch> ubuntu is not debian and debian has it, just not jessie.
2886[20:09:42] <teraflops> no idea if there is a backport
2887[20:09:48] <teraflops> ,v php7
2888[20:09:49] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
2889[20:09:59] <TomTomTosch> ,v php7.0
2890[20:09:59] <teraflops> ,v php7.0
2891[20:10:00] <markybob> it's not in backport
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2893[20:10:01] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.6-1; sid: 7.0.6-3; sid: 7.0.6-10
2894[20:10:02] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.6-1; sid: 7.0.6-3; sid: 7.0.6-10
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2896[20:10:16] <teraflops> markybob: ah ;)
2897[20:10:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, checkbackport php7.0
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2899[20:10:20] <judd> Backporting package php7.0 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libzip-dev (>= 1.0.0).
2900[20:10:35] <zZap-X> debian jessie network manager doesnt import a openvpn .ovpn config file
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2902[20:10:45] <zZap-X> what other openvpn clients can one use
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2906[20:11:08] <hiddentooruser> zZap-X thanks for that info, i also failed with openvpn on debian
2907[20:11:25] <zZap-X> the most important feature doesnt work :/
2908[20:11:34] <teraflops> zZap-X: does it throw any errors?
2909[20:11:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> hiddentooruser, debian stable releases are called "stable", because they are unchanging. no new packages get in and no new versions of existing packages get in, only bugfixes. As a consequence, new bugs can only appear with a new release of the next version of debian (and in rarer cases if bugfixes cause bugs)
2910[20:11:53] <zZap-X> no, i point it to the .ovpn file then nothing happens
2911[20:11:57] <zZap-X> back to the menu
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2913[20:12:11] <zZap-X> i can open the the connect with openvpn --config no problem
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2915[20:13:05] <n3ss> xrandr isn't showing any outputs on my graphics card, gtx 970 using nouveau. I've got one screen going but won't let me use a resolution higher than 1024x768
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2918[20:13:10] <hiddentooruser> CutMe0wnThorat: thanks a lot for clarifying this, i didnt knew this info! I come from the windows section and i still have problems understanding linux in depth. Atleast now i know the background of "jessie" debian :)
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2929[20:15:10] <hiddentooruser> CutMe0wnThroat: can you suggest me a debian (not jessie) where i can add such sources? I thought stable release is best choice, but for atm it doesnt look like it.
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2942[20:17:52] <n3ss> oh, i think i need to update nouveau..
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2950[20:18:46] <teraflops> n3ss: nouveau is in the kernel
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2954[20:19:23] <n3ss> oh.
2955[20:19:25] <n3ss> good piont.
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2957[20:19:27] <nodiscc> in debian installer, is there a way to *always* add the user account to the sudo group?
2958[20:19:45] <nodiscc> ie where is adduser.conf for the installer
2959[20:20:41] <n3ss> still looks like i might have to install the nvidia drivers
2960[20:20:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> sudo isn't even installed by default for most set-ups
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2964[20:21:42] <nodiscc> it will be installed later (i have a tasksel task)
2965[20:22:24] <nodiscc> when you select "no root access" from the installer it gives the first normal user sudo access
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2967[20:23:03] <nodiscc> i want this even with "allow root access" checked
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3034[20:45:37] <axc1298> does ZFS being accepted into debian mean that the debian 9 installer will have ZFS as a filesystem option along with the current ones?
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3039[20:47:52] <TomTomTosch> it's not in main. so probably not.
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3042[20:48:44] <axc1298> too bad
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3045[20:48:59] <TomTomTosch> such is life.
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3052[20:50:19] <axc1298> so that means in order to use it with debian, you have to install it with ext4 and then somehow convert to zfs later? how would that work?
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3059[20:51:52] <mazert> hello, i'm trying to use audio call function with empathy and xmpp, but it doesn't works. How I can fix it ?
3060[20:52:11] <mazert> on unstable
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3062[20:52:24] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
3063[20:52:25] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3064[20:53:22] <mazert> TomTomTosch: ok thanks :)
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3092[21:08:08] <Rotonen> replaced-url
3093[21:08:09] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3096[21:09:04] <tugrik> Morning. An actual problem "dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'xml-core' is missing final newline" ; is that worth reporting, or is that likely to be fixed by the time I've figured out how to report it?
3097[21:09:59] <mtn> tugrik: which version of debian?
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3099[21:11:30] <tugrik> jessie
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3101[21:12:38] <tugrik> "cat /etc/debian_version" - 8.3
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3111[21:19:26] <jmcnaught> Rotonen: that bug says it was fixed by moving the socket location from /tmp/redis.sock to /var/run/redis/redis.sock
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3119[21:23:10] <merethan> Hi all
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3124[21:24:56] <merethan> I have this really stupid problem acessing menu's in sound juicer. Gnome3/gtk3 has disabled it's menu's to make it look fancy and touch friendly etc. but now I have zero ways of changing options.
3125[21:25:06] <merethan> *accessing
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3127[21:25:34] <merethan> Someone just happens to know how to fix this?
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3133[21:26:41] <merethan> Sound juicer even has entries in the manual for say the preferences window, there's just no way to access it without the menu's.
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3141[21:28:44] <merethan> oops, wrong key :P Anyway, back
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3145[21:29:39] <jmcnaught> merethan: newer gnome applications have a menu in the top-left, beside the "activities", is this the menu you need?
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3154[21:33:35] <merethan> God dmanit
3155[21:33:53] <merethan> jmcnaught, yes, exactly what i needed.
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3161[21:35:00] <jmcnaught> merethan: there is where gnome programs are now supposed to be program-wide menu items (as opposed to document/file specific menu items)
3162[21:35:12] <jmcnaught> non-gnome programs will just have "quit" there
3163[21:35:26] <merethan> jmcnaught, this is one of those design choices why I found the apple DE to suck so much; option menu's for a program not being on the window belonging to the program.
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3170[21:37:46] <jmcnaught> merethan: super+F10 to open that menu by the way. GNOME has a bunch written on their design goals if you want to read up on them: replaced-url
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3186[21:45:50] <merethan> Tnx for help jmcnaught
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3202[21:54:31] <deetwelve> hello, i have a little problem with ufw. systemctl status ufw is giving me this error: replaced-url
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3213[21:58:07] <mtn> deetwelve: obvious question: does the file exist?
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3215[21:58:20] <deetwelve> nope
3216[21:58:40] <markybob> that's not a kernel i've ever seen in debian
3217[21:58:46] <mtn> deetwelve: heh. there is your answer
3218[21:58:57] <deetwelve> its an OVH debian install
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3220[21:59:30] <markybob> so you made your own kernel?
3221[21:59:36] <deetwelve> no
3222[21:59:46] <deetwelve> that was installed straight from them
3223[22:00:03] * markybob shrug
3224[22:00:06] <frikinz> your modprobe is probably broken then. Try replacing modprobes with insmod ?
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3226[22:00:42] <frikinz> unless the server can't even load modules..
3227[22:00:42] <markybob> how would that matter if the file doesn't exist?
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3229[22:01:18] <deetwelve> i didnt touch any of that, just installed debian from their list of distros and then just apt-get install ufw
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3231[22:02:55] <markybob> you give them money, right? contact their support :P
3232[22:03:34] <deetwelve> well yeah but everyone knows how horrible their support it, thats why im here.
3233[22:03:43] <mtn> heh
3234[22:03:44] <deetwelve> is*
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3239[22:04:52] <TomTomTosch> grsecurity kernels have some weird restrictions. everything i know does not apply to your grs kernel.
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3241[22:10:22] <jmcnaught> ,i linux-image-4.4.0-1-grsec-amd64
3242[22:10:23] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-4.4.0-1-grsec-amd64' was found in jessie/amd64.
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3247[22:12:01] <jmcnaught> ,i linux-image-4.4.0-1-grsec-amd64 --release jessie-backports
3248[22:12:02] <judd> Package linux-image-4.4.0-1-grsec-amd64 (kernel, optional) in jessie-backports/amd64: Linux 4.4 for 64-bit PCs, Grsecurity protection. Version: 4.4.8-1+grsec201604252206+1~bpo8+1; Size: 34572.7k; Installed: 163064k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3255[22:13:13] <jmcnaught> deetwelve: grsecurity kernels are available in backports and maybe will be available in stretch, but most people here are probably unfamiliar with them. your best bet is 1) OVH support and/or 2) read up on gresecurity to understand the differences
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3257[22:13:28] <devster31> hi guys, any god tutorial to assign a cgroup to sshd so that even under load it doesn't become unresponsive?
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3261[22:14:55] <deetwelve> jmcnaught: looks like they have an option to install debians distribution kernel. i might just reinstall since i just started the server. i guess its their custom kernel from what i am reading.
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3334[22:45:29] <El_Barto> I am trying to connect to my Cisco router with a db25-serial cable and minicom. I have minocom set to 9600 8N1 hardware flow control yes, software flow control no on /dev/ttyS0, but it shows offline and it doesn't show any output from the Cisco. I used the same settings in windows and was abel to verify the router is fine. How can I get minicom to go online?
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3338[22:45:57] <PadawanLearner> hi El_Barto
3339[22:46:23] <PadawanLearner> well, in my humble experience minicom is usualy set up to use modems and AT init commands
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3350[22:48:28] <PadawanLearner> have you tryed putty?
3351[22:49:00] <teraflops> PadawanLearner: in my humble experience minicom is the best sw you can use for connecting to cisco via rs232
3352[22:49:24] <tugrik> El_Barto "screen" is another option for connecting over a serial port
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3358[22:51:25] <kion> Where can I see the source code for /usr/bin/sha384sum program, it's part of the core utils of Debian
3359[22:51:47] <El_Barto> PadawanLearner: yes in windows, I want to do this through the cli.
3360[22:51:57] <El_Barto> tugrik: I'll try that.
3361[22:52:16] <markybob> kion: so apt-get source coreutils
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3363[22:52:32] <kion> thanks marko__
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3367[22:54:14] <zoomgry> if i have a 2tb drive in a laptop and install / on it without creating separate partitions for debian files and for /home, is that going to create performance issues?
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3370[22:54:37] <donofrio> El barto, is the cable a correctly wired cable for this use? or did you just grab a cable and try?
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3374[22:54:54] <teraflops> zoomgry: why?
3375[22:55:01] <kion> markybob, what will that command do, where will the source be placed?
3376[22:55:15] <markybob> kion: in the dir you run it in
3377[22:55:46] <El_Barto> donofrio: I bought the cable off amazon, it worked in windows with putty.
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3379[22:55:55] <kion> markybob, oh Great! and no other place touched, Can I just rm that directory when finished or do I need a apt-get purge command?
3380[22:56:15] <markybob> kion: you just rm it
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3389[22:58:18] <jmcnaught> kion: also in case it's not clear, you don't need to be root to run "apt-get source ..."
3390[22:58:54] <kion> thanks jmcnaught , I didn't know that
3391[22:59:02] <El_Barto> screen isn’t working, any other suggestion on programs to make a serial connection?
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3394[22:59:23] <a1p> El_Barto: minicom
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3396[22:59:31] <zoomgry> teraflops: it may take longer to retrieve files on a 2tb partition than on a 100GB one?
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3398[22:59:42] <cmhobbs> +1 on minicom
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3400[23:00:08] <El_Barto> a1p: that’s what I originally tried, it says ttyS0 is offline.
3401[23:00:09] <zoomgry> i'm also trying to fix the fact that when i press the power button, debian does nothing. it's supposed to shut down as i already said in kde settings, but it does nothing.
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3403[23:00:43] <a1p> El_Barto: what dmesg says?
3404[23:01:01] <jmcnaught> zoomgry: take a look at /etc/systemd/logind.conf for the power button
3405[23:01:06] <a1p> i mean when u connect your device
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3407[23:01:26] <El_Barto> If I paste three lines in here is that a flood?
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3409[23:01:55] <markybob> yes. use paste.debian.net
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3413[23:02:35] <zoomgry> thanks jmcnaught. :-) i'll be back if it does not work.
3414[23:02:39] <El_Barto> replaced-url
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3416[23:02:48] <teraflops> zoomgry: retrieve files?
3417[23:02:53] <teraflops> :S
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3421[23:03:46] <a1p> El_Barto: why grep tty? just disconnect/connect ur serial device and paste relevant lines.
3422[23:03:55] <El_Barto> Ok.
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3425[23:04:17] <a1p> i had an issue with usb, it was using much power, so device can't start, minicom & screen wasn't working 2
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3428[23:04:59] <El_Barto> a1p: nothing showed up in dmesg when I disconnected the db9 and then reconnected it.
3429[23:05:13] <zoomgry> it seems to also do nothing when i press kde button > leave > shutdown. but only under one user. under another it works ok. i checked, both users are in sudo and netdev groups (+ the not working one is in a bunch of other groups). what can i do about it?
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3432[23:05:51] <El_Barto> I don’t know if this has anything to do with it, but this is on a box that runs mythtv. It uses the serial port for lirc. The ir adapter has been disconnected, lirc has been removed, and it hs been rebooted.
3433[23:05:53] <tensorpudding> If I have an AMD APU and a discrete card, how do I tell my system to display graphics through the former and not the latter?
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3435[23:06:37] <a1p> El_Barto: seems it works another way, my experience ends here
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3437[23:06:55] <El_Barto> a1p: thanks for trying.
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3464[23:16:45] <Rene> jmcnaught: are you here?
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3470[23:18:05] <jmcnaught> Rene: yes how are you. if you have a question you can always ask the channel, lots of people here :)
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3488[23:21:02] <Rene> jmcnaught: Hi! You helped me a lot with soring out the sources of installed packages :-)
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3494[23:23:12] <Rene> hold on a sec.. have to check a thingn first..
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3498[23:26:17] <Rene> i used this script: replaced-url
3499[23:26:24] <Rene> php5 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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3501[23:26:52] <Rene> that does not tell from which repo it comes..
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3504[23:27:08] <Rene> is there some other way to extract the original repo?
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3514[23:28:43] <jmcnaught> Rene: does this list correspond to the packages listed by "aptitude search ~o" ?
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3517[23:29:51] <Rene> yep, it looks so
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3519[23:30:22] <jmcnaught> Rene: this script is basically just running "apt-cache policy" on every single installed package and extracting some info. What does "apt-cache policy php5" say? (assuming that's one that doesn't show a repo)
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3528[23:32:35] <iKarith> Personally I think LCD connector would've been more useful to me than a camera connector, but I suspect people will enjoy the camera more.
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3530[23:32:55] <iKarith> Especially with the 8MP sensor
3531[23:33:41] <Rene> jmcnaught: actually the php5 was a wrong example. Running apt-cache policy zaptel-source gives me Installed: 1:1.4.11~dfsg-3
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3535[23:34:50] <TomTomTosch> that's from lenny :3
3536[23:35:01] <TomTomTosch> ,v zaptel-source
3537[23:35:02] <judd> No package named 'zaptel-source' was found in amd64.
3538[23:35:41] <Rene> i run still i686
3539[23:36:07] <TomTomTosch> doesn't matter, it builds on all arches.
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3541[23:36:23] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
3542[23:36:25] <Rene> TomTomTosch: so the dfsg is lenny-repo?
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3544[23:37:04] <Rene> jmcnaught: so i assume that it's ok to just remove those packages?
3545[23:37:41] <jmcnaught> Rene: you will need to remove them, but you may also need to figure out what packages replace their functionality
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3548[23:38:22] <jmcnaught> Rene: for this in particular it seems there is an upgrade path: replaced-url
3549[23:38:23] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3554[23:39:40] <jmcnaught> Rene: also dfsg stand for Debian Free Software Guidelines, in a version string it means that Debian has patched the software (or removed some stuff) to make it compliant with the DFSG
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3556[23:41:21] <Rene> jmcnaught: is there btw a script that could make life easier when upgrading? Eg find which package should be installed instead of an old package?
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3558[23:43:10] <jmcnaught> Rene: not that i know of, but in each release notes there is a section of the upgrade instructions "preparing for the next release". Here is the one for squeeze->wheezy: replaced-url
3559[23:43:26] <Rene> heh.. i found old packages from Sarge …
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3561[23:45:39] <jmcnaught> Rene: sounds like you might have skipped those steps a few times :)
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3563[23:45:54] <Rene> jep! :-)
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3566[23:46:19] <Rene> time to check those pacakges..
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