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• 100[01:30:11] <Kobaz> sooooo
• 101[01:30:20] <Kobaz> getting this every day in cron: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat: Exception: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'dependencies'
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• 117[01:47:51] <apaz_> Kobaz that's python of some sort
• 118[01:47:55] <Kobaz> yup
• 119[01:48:01] <Kobaz> it's coming from /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade
• 120[01:48:07] <apaz_> Ah
• 121[01:48:23] <apaz_> Then I would say let the devs know, and in the meantime don't worry about it?
• 122[01:48:33] <Kobaz> unattended-upgrades: 1.11.2 ttp://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages
• 123[01:48:35] <Kobaz> well it's annoying
• 124[01:48:50] <Kobaz> any cron messages got to our alerting dispatch
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• 127[01:49:53] <craigevil> !paste
• 128[01:49:53] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 130[01:50:17] <Kobaz> right... since when is a one line paste.. >= 2
• 131[01:50:43] <craigevil> oh no i was just wanting the info, guess i should have sent dpkg a message
• 132[01:50:55] <Kobaz> ah
• 133[01:51:09] <Kobaz> i use dpaste for the most part
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• 260[03:45:38] <David--> Hi, I have Debian installed on a 128GB SD card and I need to move it to a smaller 64GB SD card. I'm hardly using any space but not sure how to reduce the partition size and really can't afford to mess it up. Would anyone be able to help me please?
• 261[03:46:25] <n4dir> how is it partitioned?
• 262[03:46:46] <n4dir> and lvm or such involved?
• 263[03:47:14] <n4dir> i for one would just rsync everything, but my setup is really easy, most basic
• 264[03:47:18] <David--> i'm not sure as i'm a VERY big noob. It's for a raspbery pi and was all setup
• 265[03:47:57] <David--> I just copied the image to the card and it's all pretty much configured.
• 266[03:48:09] <David--> if you tell me the command i can tell you?
• 267[03:48:18] <n4dir> then probably with the command called dd. not too sure. Ask either in the raspberry pi forum or, if they have, their IRC channel
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• 269[03:48:43] <Garb0> David--, just dd it
• 270[03:49:04] <n4dir> no matter how you do it, you will still have the original SSD installation, so not that much can go wrong. Thats what my gut tells me
• 271[03:49:06] <Garb0> reduce the size with gparted first
• 272[03:49:12] <Garb0> and then dd it
• 273[03:49:35] <David--> Please can you help me do this? I have learning problems and cannot afford to mess it up
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• 276[03:51:31] <Garb0> David--, do you have a live usb?
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• 278[03:52:16] <David--> no, i'm logged in with ssh
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• 280[03:52:39] <Garb0> wew
• 281[03:52:43] <David--> i found this: replaced-url
• 282[03:52:51] <David--> but the first command doesn't even work for me
• 283[03:53:01] <David--> root@cr6:~# umount /dev/mapper/clear_sdb1
• 284[03:53:01] <David--> umount: /dev/mapper/clear_sdb1: no mount point specified.
• 285[03:53:05] <Garb0> for you to start screwing with a disk it has to be unmounted
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• 287[03:53:20] <Garb0> and you can't unmount a system that's currently running
• 288[03:53:28] <Garb0> that's why you need a live usb
• 289[03:53:43] <David--> right, so it can't be done while logged in then?
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• 291[03:54:07] <Garb0> David--, the target system has to be shutdown
• 292[03:54:32] <David--> can i do it from my windows machine?
• 293[03:54:41] <Garb0> I think so
• 294[03:54:43] <David--> if i put the sd card in my laptop
• 295[03:54:50] <Garb0> i mean yeah i think so
• 296[03:55:03] <David--> ohh great, what software do i need?
• 297[03:55:06] <Garb0> but i have no idea if there's a good utility for disk management on windows
• 298[03:55:09] <Garb0> hold on
• 299[03:55:33] <David--> thank you so much, i'll go grab the sd card
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• 302[03:58:26] <Garb0> It seems that windows' partition utility can get the job done (but there's a risk of it wrecking it because windows can't speak ext4 linux)
• 303[03:58:48] <Garb0> wish u had a live disk/usb or something, but windows can probably get the job done
• 304[03:58:51] <David--> i think it doesn't matter now....
• 305[03:58:57] <David--> i think i broke the sd card
• 306[03:59:02] <Garb0> wut
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• 308[03:59:15] <David--> the 3rd one i've done removing them from raspberry pi's
• 309[03:59:29] <Garb0> o well
• 310[03:59:52] <David--> it's got an every so slight bend in it now
• 311[04:00:06] <David--> and when i plug it in my laptop it's doing nothing
• 312[04:00:27] <David--> it's incredibibly small as well
• 313[04:00:53] <Garb0> you broke the adapter or small sd card?
• 314[04:01:01] <Garb0> if it's just the adapter you're fine, replace it
• 315[04:01:04] <David--> the card itself
• 316[04:01:08] <Garb0> oh, RIP.
• 317[04:01:25] <David--> i'm surprised to be honest as it's such a small bend it's hard to see
• 318[04:01:54] <David--> it's only because it's doing nothing when i plug it in my laptop that i started to look
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• 322[04:03:00] <David--> i'm actually not convinced it's broken... should it be doing anything when plugged into a windows machine?
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• 336[04:19:02] <Garb0> David--, go to the partition manager in windows
• 337[04:19:11] <Garb0> if it detects other partitions it's readable
• 338[04:19:19] <David--> it's okay it's goosed, thanks anyway
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• 340[04:19:28] <David--> i put it back in the pi and it's not reading it either
• 341[04:19:45] <David--> i'll have to recover from a backup
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• 511[08:26:46] <arash> I want to restart a mysql service on a server but for some reason it don’t response, root@debian-td-s1:/etc/systemd/system# systemctl restart mysql nothing happens, how can i trace the problem ?
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• 546[08:45:18] <arash> ratrace: it dont show any log related to mysql
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• 548[08:45:31] <ratrace> arash: mkay, what about systemctl status mysql.service ?
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• 550[08:45:48] <ratrace> running, stopped, error state?
• 551[08:46:04] <arash> Active: deactivating (stop-sigterm) (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2021-03-16 19:24:08 UTC; 1 day 12h ago
• 552[08:46:21] <arash> here is full log for mariadb status replaced-url
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• 554[08:46:56] <ratrace> arash: okay, now you'll have to look up its own logs and see what the problem is
• 555[08:47:04] <search_social> Hello, I have made a USB that boots a debian ISO using the $loopback loop /debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso functionality of GRUB. The installer works fine but gets stuck on the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" step. I can manually fix this by going to the Alt+F2 shell and running mount /asdf.iso /cdrom. Is there another way?
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• 557[08:47:54] <ratrace> arash: maybe even journalctl -u mariadb.service ; although those entries would've been visible with journalctl -n immediately after trying to start it
• 558[08:49:03] <arash> ratrace: mariadb.service: Failed with result 'timeout'. but it don't contain any more useful information
• 559[08:49:13] <ratrace> arash: so look up its own logs
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• 561[08:50:50] <arash> in /var/log/mysql folder you mean ?
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• 574[09:05:03] <ratrace> arash: wherever it's configured, probably there
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• 597[09:25:12] <jelly> dpkg, Ping
• 598[09:25:12] <dpkg> pong
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• 614[09:32:17] <ratrace> queip: like I said, imma wait until Schneier weighs in :9 replaced-url
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• 617[09:36:51] <ratrace> "The paper" also apparently dropped the "This destroys the RSA cryptosystem", so I guess that is no longer claimed. So as I initially suspected, there may be improvements, significant for the academia, but totally insignificant for the practical applications.
• 618[09:37:43] <ratrace> The _real_ news is that RSA SHA1 actually is broken, OpenSSH is discontinuing SHA1 support. Everyone and their dog should be on at least 4096 bit RSA or even better, EC/ED, regardless of "the paper".
• 619[09:39:12] <Ede|Popede> it was a weird action anyway, especially with that sentence added
• 620[09:40:26] <ratrace> mmmh-hmm.
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• 623[09:41:33] <ratrace> but hypothetically.... assume RSA was broken.... you do NOT release a preprint like that. You contact EVERYONE in the industry with NDAs and doomsday clauses; everyone silently, forcefully deprecate RSA for a made up reason, and THEN you publish the RSA killer paper.
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• 652[10:16:11] <dlcusa> I've been getting lots of 502s from salsa.debian.org for ~12 hours--is there an operational status URL available?
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• 657[10:18:36] <Unit193> dlcusa: replaced-url
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• 663[10:29:15] <dlcusa> Ah. "irc://irc.debian.org/salsa" says it's down for a security upgrade--no ETA.
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• 667[10:35:07] <addedman8> are there any projects to ennable the use of very old debiant software on debian 10
• 668[10:35:23] <addedman8> i am needing to use some stuff that only works on older versions
• 669[10:36:00] <jelly> addedman8, which specific old versions, and which stuff?
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• 671[10:36:05] <addedman8> solar winds take control
• 672[10:36:11] <addedman8> uhh
• 673[10:36:43] <addedman8> the last version i used it worked on was... maybe 6 or 7
• 674[10:37:18] <addedman8> btw do any of you remember all the debian community artwork? i noticed all the sites for it were gone
• 675[10:37:24] <addedman8> not on archive.org either
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• 677[10:38:43] <jelly> you can try installing debian 7 in a chroot, using debootstrap (or a smarter wrapper, sbuild or schroot maybe?)
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• 688[10:47:53] <forester> Hullo. I has *.xz source file and *.xz.sign file. Then I have tried gpg --verify *.xz.sign. The result was gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
• 689[10:48:30] <forester> I found only this replaced-url
• 690[10:48:44] <forester> What should I to do next?
• 691[10:48:49] <themill> you need to tell gpg where the public key is to be found via some sort of --keyring argument or by separately downloading the key
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• 695[10:50:49] <forester> replaced-url
• 696[10:51:56] <forester> or download and save like what?
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• 700[10:53:05] <forester> What a name should be given that file?
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• 703[10:54:34] <themill> If you're just downloading the key over http and don't have the ability to check its web of trust, then it's barely worth doing.
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• 706[10:55:18] <forester> I named it libre-key and placed in the same directory like *.xz and *.xz.sign are.
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• 708[10:56:36] <forester> I don't know what web of trust is. Therefore I don't understand what you have said exactly.
• 709[10:57:36] <forester> Did you mean that any 'man in the middle' could change 2 source files and the text on that page?
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• 712[10:58:56] <lupulo> Hello
• 713[10:59:45] <oxek> ratrace: what if people have been trying to deprecate RSA like that for over 20 years, but everyone is just dragging their feet?
• 714[11:01:11] <lupulo> dragging their feer is a Pirate sayings?
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• 745[11:40:14] <addedman8> would a chroot work with debian 5?
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• 747[11:41:28] <addedman8> it'd mean i would need to share a modern kernel with such an old version of debian
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• 760[11:51:37] <jelly> Linux kernel is supposed to care a lot about backward compatibility and not breaking things running on top of it, like debian chroots and apps
• 761[11:51:53] * jelly said, to noone in particular
• 762[11:52:11] <TomyWork> addedman8 chroot is extremely old
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• 765[11:55:19] <TomyWork> oh now i see what they meant
• 766[11:55:35] <TomyWork> "a chroot", not "chroot"
• 767[11:56:06] <TomyWork> as in a chroot environment, i.e. primitive container
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• 771[12:02:00] <jelly> hey now, no need to insult the old chroot
• 772[12:02:45] <arash> what is this problem ? sudo apt install mysql-server /usr/bin/apt: /usr/bin/apt: cannot execute binary file , I'm solving a problem in a debian server for a customer
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• 775[12:05:32] <jelly> arash, what does "uname -a" say? what does "file /usr/bin/apt" say?
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• 777[12:05:51] <arash> Linux debian-td-s1 4.9.0-15-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.258-1 (2021-03-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 779[12:06:57] <arash> and /usr/bin/apt: data
• 780[12:07:00] <jelly> executables can fail to execute if they're for an architecture that kernel does not support, or if the filesystem or some other policy mechanism does not let them
• 781[12:07:09] <jelly> data sounds very wrong
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• 783[12:07:31] <arash> I think os damaged, how can i repair kernel and system files ? i have access to consol
• 784[12:07:34] <jelly> arash, dpkg -l apt |tail -n1; ls -lad /usr/bin/apt /usr/bin /usr /
• 785[12:07:53] <jelly> !paste
• 786[12:07:53] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 787[12:08:31] <jelly> at least the kernel looks like a normal, up-to-date debian 10 kernel
• 788[12:08:44] <arash> replaced-url
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• 790[12:10:27] <jelly> arash, that is a VERY old apt, which debian release is this supposed to be?
• 791[12:10:28] <jelly> ,v apt
• 792[12:10:29] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.6; stretch: 1.4.10; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.4.10; stretch-security: 1.4.10; buster: 1.8.2.2; buster-security: 1.8.2.2; bullseye: 2.2.2; sid: 2.2.2; experimental: 2.3.0
• 793[12:11:08] <jelly> arash, dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt base-files
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• 795[12:11:21] <jelly> arash, and "apt-cache policy"
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• 798[12:12:46] <arash> jelly: i don't think so, how can i update that ? replaced-url
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• 800[12:13:20] <jelly> ok, it's not horribly old, it's debian 9
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• 803[12:15:09] <arash> here is main problem, i cant start mariadb service replaced-url
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• 806[12:17:22] <jelly> arash, the file /usr/bin/apt is correct size but seems to be corrupted. See if you can use apt-get to reinstall the apt package. Before that, look at dmesg output to see if there are obvious errors with disk or something else. Was there a recent patching/upgrade/reboot? Was there a power loss event?
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• 808[12:19:53] <arash> jelly: i'm not sure but the customers says they lose data and then recover it !! i don't know what exatly happened. probebly if i could get a dump from mysql i can reinstall everything, same error for apt-get
• 809[12:20:23] <jelly> what does "uptime" say
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• 811[12:22:25] <arash> 11:21:08 up 57 min, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.14, 0.16, datacenter suggested use Finnix rescue , mount hdd and then use fsck -y /dev/vda1 to repair file system
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• 814[12:23:37] <jelly> okay, so it has been (re)booted recently
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• 816[12:25:18] <arash> I'm enabling rescue mode
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• 818[12:28:03] <jelly> can you pastebin current "dmesg" and "grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log"
• 819[12:29:03] <jelly> if the machine is restored from a consistent backup, mysql ought to start. If it was restored for some sort of a file-based backup, and you don't have regular dumps or other mysql backup already, you might have problems
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• 822[12:29:54] <jelly> backing up files in /var/lib/mysql might result in inconsistent set of files
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• 826[12:30:32] <arash> I'm in rescue mode now, can i install mysql in here and dump mysql files ??
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• 828[12:31:29] <jelly> I don't know what kind of rescue image this provider has.
• 829[12:32:17] <jelly> make a copy of /var/lib/mysql to another system before doing anything possibly destructive
• 830[12:32:17] <arash> its Finnix
• 831[12:32:24] <jelly> !finnix
• 832[12:32:24] <dpkg> Finnix is a Live CD GNU/Linux distribution for system administrators originally based on Red Hat Linux, now <based on debian> testing. replaced-url
• 833[12:32:35] <jelly> never heard of it
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• 836[12:36:21] <jelly> in any case bringing up mysqld from a separate live will be similar or harder than bringing it up in the real enviroment
• 837[12:36:46] <jelly> if you choose to do that, make sure you install the exact same version
• 838[12:37:21] <arash> jelly: it didn't let me mount hdd because of it was writing protected so i reboot it to get back to real enviroment
• 839[12:37:21] <jelly> grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log might show useful info about why mysqld failed to start
• 840[12:38:28] <jelly> just for fun. run md5sum /usr/bin/apt /usr/bin/apt-get
• 841[12:38:31] <jelly> afbd7175c51605e80f4f8a9a9351a531 /usr/bin/apt
• 842[12:38:31] <jelly> 5285d09302ceddd478c06bd0c60ed7cc /usr/bin/apt-get
• 843[12:38:41] <jelly> ^ is it the same as those?
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• 845[12:39:52] <arash> 7c6bdeee022eaba8f68de4a2a04d13c8 /usr/bin/apt f13860062591ee4101acbc94e8e13b0f /usr/bin/apt-get
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• 848[12:41:22] <arash> datacenter suggested use fsck -y /dev/vda1 to recover file system, but its says its writing protected and cannot be mount ? how can i solve this ?
• 849[12:41:30] <jelly> those are both corrupted then
• 850[12:42:11] <arash> jelly: what do you mean by both ? you mean the whole disk ?
• 851[12:42:15] <jelly> it's possible other files are corrupted as well, including the mysql db
• 852[12:42:38] <jelly> I mean both of those files, /usr/bin/apt and /usr/bin/apt-get
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• 854[12:42:43] <jelly> both = 2
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• 856[12:42:57] <arash> yes. but i want to try it, the customer says there are valuable data in mysql
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• 858[12:43:23] <jelly> copy the whole of /var/lib/mysql and /etc/mysql* to another system
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• 860[12:44:25] <arash> i can do that, then replace all of those files in new vps and run sqldump ? that all ? it should work ?
• 861[12:45:11] <arash> mysqld 10.1.48-MariaDB-0+deb9u1
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• 871[12:59:08] <jelly> so make sure mariadb 10.1.48 is installed wherever you try to start it up
• 872[12:59:52] <jelly> it's a starting step, might or might not work
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• 874[13:00:54] <jelly> if you show dmesg and mysql bits from daemon.log as requested I or someone else might make a better assessment
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• 880[13:08:59] <jelly> mysqldump requires the database to be running
• 881[13:09:13] <jelly> I think. No idea about mariabackup.
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• 884[13:13:55] <arash> yes.they are the same i think
• 885[13:15:49] <nicoz> 3
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• 889[13:23:18] <arash> jelly: do you have any idea why when i want to mound hdd from live linux it says its writing protected ? is it related to damaged filesystem ?
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• 902[13:38:25] <pryr> hey guys, I'm packaging an application for debian. How can I make it execute some shell commands whenever a user installs the package
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• 907[13:42:23] <Ede|Popede> arash: may be it can't be mounted rw because of inconsistent fs or hardware issues.
• 908[13:43:03] <Ede|Popede> pryr: look at the scripts, here preinst and postinst
• 909[13:43:31] <Ede|Popede> !packaging
• 910[13:43:32] <dpkg> Visit replaced-url
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• 914[13:45:49] <pryr> thanks Ede|Popede :)
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• 989[15:26:02] <TomyWork> try virtualbox :D
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• 1003[15:50:01] * jmatos wonders if there's a de-Oracled build of VirtualBox with a reduced chance of accidentally summoning the ire of Oracle
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• 1006[15:50:16] <cws> iracle
• 1007[15:50:22] <jmatos> lol
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• 1010[15:51:44] <hanasaki> is there a debian official repo package for ? replaced-url
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• 1013[15:54:41] <jmatos> replaced-url
• 1014[15:54:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1015[15:54:55] <jmatos> I guess not?
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• 1020[15:59:13] <petn-randall> jmatos: There isn't. However, I've been using the signal flatpak happily so far.
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• 1024[16:01:04] <jmatos> petn-randall: presumably hanasaki asked for a debian package because they didn't want to install it from a third party software source like that
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• 1029[16:03:41] <petn-randall> jmatos: Indeed, I highlighted the wrong person. hanasaki ^^^
• 1030[16:03:42] <jmatos> I do see the trend of getting such complex and ever changing desktop apps being distributed through such channels instead of distro packages
• 1031[16:04:04] <jmatos> s/getting//
• 1032[16:04:47] <petn-randall> Not much Debian can do unfortunately. signal is some electron app that only works with a very specific version of the electron library.
• 1033[16:04:51] <hanasaki> jmatos: your presumption is correct
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• 1036[16:05:24] <hanasaki> not a big fan of adding unreviewed repos...
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• 1038[16:07:20] <Ede|Popede> > "evergreen" software consumed as a maven artifact
• 1039[16:07:22] <Ede|Popede> lol what?
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• 1041[16:08:58] <jmatos> hanasaki: yeah, it does requires an increase of your trust base
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• 1043[16:09:57] <jmatos> it's not like software goes through a code review before getting into Debian either, though
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• 1045[16:10:20] <jmatos> right?
• 1046[16:10:36] <hanasaki> I really prefered the old days when google hangouts did chat, sms, XMP and a ton of others...
• 1047[16:10:42] <Ede|Popede> after reading the thread i'd say the best approach would be to just *plonk* signal and maybe everything moxie related
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• 1049[16:11:21] <hanasaki> jmatos: are you saying that there's no code or security review of code in deb proper repos?
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• 1052[16:12:55] <Ede|Popede> if they prefer to do it the classic windows way, hunting every program on eh webz, run INSTALL.EXE and hope everything is tested against everything that may be installed already on this particular PC, then they're free to do it.
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• 1065[16:21:19] <jmatos> hanasaki: I'm not entirely familiar with the process of adding or updating a package in Debian, but I don't expect Debian or any other project with such a sizable software collection to do an extensive review of the source code of every package for security issues.
• 1066[16:21:37] <jmatos> it'd just be untenable
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• 1068[16:22:08] <hanasaki> jmatos: maybe its purdent to find an actual debian posted policy :)
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• 1085[16:34:20] <mad_moses> hi, I updated my system from debian 9 to 10. Now I lost the connection to my sql server. I think I had mysql running on my server and I guess on debian 10 mariadb is the default. Could be this the problem?
• 1086[16:37:52] <hanasaki> check with dpkg --get-selections
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• 1088[16:38:30] <mad_moses> I checked, ether mysql or mariadb server is installed. I just installed mariadb-server and it working again ...
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• 1090[16:38:35] <jmatos> hanasaki: I mean, obvious nastiness like a build script trying to sneak in a setuid executable, putting files in places it has no business putting them, or the built program doing something overtly nasty right away is bound to be found out during packaging, but more subtle stuff that requires a careful review of the source would be hard to catch. An upstream developer doing nasty stuff risks losing all of their reputation if found out, though.
• 1091[16:39:06] <hanasaki> backdoors in prog code arnt fun.
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• 1094[16:40:23] <jmatos> yes and backdoors can be subtle enough to pass code review, too
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• 1150[17:45:57] <marksvc> (salsa.debian.org keeps giving 503 Service Unavailable this morning. If a bunch of people haven't already mentioned that.)
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• 1156[17:50:04] <rindolf> hi all! this is down: replaced-url
• 1157[17:50:37] <GNU\colossus> rindolf, waiting for a gitlab upgrade, I think
• 1158[17:50:47] <GNU\colossus> (there was an announcement on twitter that I saw earlier)
• 1159[17:51:01] <marksvc> GNU\colossus, Thanks
• 1160[17:52:11] <rindolf> GNU\colossus: ah
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• 1163[17:54:23] <GNU\colossus> maybe they should put up a more "beautiful"/reassuring document to respond with upon http status 503 :)
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• 1173[18:01:23] <rindolf> GNU\colossus: thanks
• 1174[18:02:10] <rindolf> GNU\colossus: or put that app on cpan...
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• 1186[18:10:15] <elwisp> why is PATH broken on a fresh debian install since like version 9?
• 1187[18:10:23] <elwisp> seems like some binary paths is missing
• 1188[18:10:32] <greycat> Since 9? Are you sure?
• 1189[18:10:37] <elwisp> i think so
• 1190[18:10:46] <flrnd> hum, is that after "su"?
• 1191[18:10:51] <greycat> Who are you logged in as, what is your PATH currently, and what did you expect it to be?
• 1192[18:11:06] <elwisp> logging in as my user then su to root
• 1193[18:11:09] <greycat> !buster su
• 1194[18:11:09] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
• 1195[18:11:14] <greycat> It's since 10, not since 9.
• 1196[18:11:19] <flrnd> bingo
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• 1198[18:11:26] <greycat> The wiki tells you how to restore the sane behavior.
• 1199[18:11:30] <elwisp> ahaa
• 1200[18:11:36] <flrnd> that, or use sudo
• 1201[18:12:04] <greycat> A bunch of idiots in this channel decided the bot factoid should tell people to act like Red Hat morons and use "su -" so I stopped fighting, and just left the better advice in the wiki.
• 1202[18:12:07] <elwisp> today i learned thanks
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• 1215[18:15:46] <flrnd> I'm used to sudo since the beginning of times, maybe that's the reason I don't understand the su change
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• 1226[18:26:03] <genr8_> I would like to report a flaw concerning bash-completion
• 1227[18:26:15] <greycat> !bts
• 1228[18:26:16] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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• 1230[18:26:29] <genr8_> its not exactly that kind of bug. i would like to start a dialog
• 1231[18:26:54] <genr8_> the /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/ssh file is complete junk and should be looked at by someone familiar with the macs/ciphers/algos of SSH and totally redone
• 1232[18:27:12] <genr8_> Its setting a ton of defaults that should never be set in secret
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• 1234[18:29:45] <ratrace> for example?
• 1235[18:30:01] <greycat> This sounds like something you'd take up with upstream.
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• 1237[18:31:10] <greycat> There's a #bash-completion on OFTC, I've been told.
• 1238[18:31:16] <genr8_> ok
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• 1242[18:35:52] <genr8_> make a blank terminal, type "ssh <TAB COMPLETION>" then get rid of that, and do "set | grep ssh" and look at the "_ssh_macs" section = [ -n $macs ]] || macs="hmac-md5 hmac-sha1 umac-64@openssh.com hmac-ripemd160
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• 1252[18:44:34] <samuel> hello guys
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• 1255[18:44:49] <samuel> I am trying to create a systemd service
• 1256[18:45:36] <samuel> when I run my app, it runs, no problems. but when I run as a systemd service the UDP broadcasts seem to be blocked. could this be something to do with systemd? is there an "allow all ports" option?
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• 1258[18:46:37] <imMute> samuel: systemd has network limiting features, but you'd have to opt into them in the .service file. are you running the service as the same user when you test manually?
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• 1261[18:47:55] <samuel> imMute: I run as root manually (app can use ports below 1024), and no user specified in systemd service file. But the service file is installed in /etc/systemd/system (I assumed this means it runs as root?)
• 1262[18:48:13] <imMute> samuel: they'll run as root unless you use the User= directive.
• 1263[18:48:33] <imMute> samuel: does your app log when UDP send() fails?
• 1264[18:48:44] <samuel> no, it seems to think all is ok
• 1265[18:49:27] <samuel> my app sends through Gstreamer, and not directly, but Gstreamer is not reporting any errors
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• 1268[18:49:48] <samuel> imMute, im broadcasting G.711 audio
• 1269[18:50:11] <imMute> can you post your .service file to replaced-url
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• 1272[18:51:33] <samuel> imMute: replaced-url
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• 1274[18:52:09] <samuel> its actually running as user root
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• 1276[18:52:20] <samuel> so it is specified (forgot I tried that earlier)
• 1277[18:53:43] <imMute> nothing stands out as blocking the network. so I'm gonna guess it's something in gstreamer.
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• 1279[18:54:14] <imMute> the output of the program should be going to the journal (unless you changed DefaultStandardOutput in systemd-system.conf). have you checked the journal for errors/warnings?
• 1280[18:58:01] <samuel> imMute: I use python logging. Nothing wrong is being shown.
• 1281[18:58:29] <samuel> literally the only difference between works/does not work is from where it is started from
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• 1283[18:59:10] <imMute> very odd. I run network daemons like that all the time (can be run from CLI or from systemd unit) and they access the network just fine. not UDP broadcast though.
• 1284[18:59:17] <imMute> how are you testing whether packets get out or not?
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• 1286[18:59:38] <samuel> wireshark
• 1287[18:59:50] <samuel> and another gstreamer instance in a different PC
• 1288[19:00:01] <zphinx> Is there any way to have my apt proxy settings override those set in /etc/environment?
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• 1290[19:00:25] <samuel> imMute: odd thing is that a udp broadcast from a socket works fine
• 1291[19:00:29] <samuel> but not a stream
• 1292[19:00:47] <imMute> wireshark on the sending PC or hte receiving one?
• 1293[19:00:50] <samuel> so packages get through but not streams
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• 1295[19:01:06] <unixbsd> hello how to setup a Dodle-alike on Debian?
• 1296[19:01:18] <unixbsd> * Doodle.
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• 1298[19:02:46] <samuel> imMute: if I start the service using rc.local everything is fine
• 1299[19:03:07] <samuel> so I think it really might have something to do with systemd
• 1300[19:03:32] <imMute> samuel: rc.local is handled by systemd in debian.
• 1301[19:03:51] <samuel> thats why its so odd
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• 1304[19:04:11] <imMute> samuel: yeah, there's definitely something funky going on, but I don't know what it could be. sorry i couldn't be more help
• 1305[19:05:05] <samuel> thanks very much any way
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• 1307[19:06:00] <greycat> samuel: I can think of two -- no, three things: (1) you've told systemd to disallow networking; (2) AppArmor is disallowing networking (not sure why that wouldn't happen the rc.local way, though); (3) you're starting the service too *early* and networking isn't up yet
• 1308[19:06:21] <greycat> !auto
• 1309[19:06:22] <dpkg> Interfaces marked "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces are waited for by things that wait for the network to be up (like systemd's network-online.target). "allow-hotplug" means the interface is removable or not always needed, so network-online won't wait for it.
• 1310[19:06:26] <greycat> Make sure that's not it.
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• 1313[19:10:52] <samuel> greycat: thanks, thats not it though, because networking is up and im starting manually
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• 1315[19:11:01] <samuel> I think it might have something to do with apparmor
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• 1318[19:13:26] <greycat> If it works when you run manually, and also works when you start from rc.local, then I think it's not AppArmor. That was a red herring on my part.
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• 1321[19:16:28] <samuel> greycat: thanks anyway, I will keep looking
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• 1385[20:17:24] <Iarfen> hi!
• 1386[20:17:45] <Iarfen> in order to use a VPN connection, I can use any VPN client for that purpose?
• 1387[20:17:58] <sney> depends on the vpn type
• 1388[20:18:26] <sney> but if you're asking about gui clients, usually they support all of the common ones
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• 1391[20:19:52] <Iarfen> sney: how I can know the vpn type? Which types exist?
• 1392[20:20:42] <sney> the most common are probably openvpn, wireguard, and ipsec with or without l2tp
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• 1394[20:21:03] <sney> there are also a handful of proprietary ones from cisco et al
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• 1397[20:22:41] <sney> if you're using a commercial vpn service and they want you to download a specialized application to connect, you can probably also connect manually with openvpn or ipsec. the provider websites usually have instructions on them somewhere. network-manager can handle those too.
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• 1410[20:34:12] <Iarfen> sney: thanks!
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• 1419[20:39:39] <karlpinc> vpnc and openconnect (to use instead of Cisco's anyconnect) are legacy at this point, I think, but are sometime still called for.
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• 1436[20:53:22] <HelloShi1ty> Hello. How can I kill an app that is not willing to just "die"? I tried `pkill -15 PID`, I tried `ctrl+c`, I tried killing it with htop, but nothing seems to kill it
• 1437[20:54:13] <nkuttler> HelloShi1ty: a gui app?
• 1438[20:55:47] <HelloShi1ty> nkuttler: yes. It's pulseview
• 1439[20:56:10] <nkuttler> xorg? wayland?
• 1440[20:56:16] <HelloShi1ty> but I started it from the command line
• 1441[20:56:29] <HelloShi1ty> I'm using xfce
• 1442[20:56:33] <greycat> you don't use pkill with a PID. you just use regular kill.
• 1443[20:56:34] <nkuttler> well.. there's always kill -9, or xkill
• 1444[20:56:46] <nkuttler> with xkill the process may still be running in the background though
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• 1446[20:57:19] <HelloShi1ty> ok, it died, I guess
• 1447[20:57:29] <greycat> are you sure it's not already dead? maybe it's a zombie. what does ps actually *say* about it?
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• 1449[20:57:32] <HelloShi1ty> what is the difference from kill to pkill?
• 1450[20:57:46] <greycat> kill takes a PID. pkill takes a string and tries to guess.
• 1451[20:57:56] <HelloShi1ty> oh ok
• 1452[20:58:00] <HelloShi1ty> thanks
• 1453[20:58:13] <HelloShi1ty> I'll try to use pulseview again
• 1454[20:58:21] <HelloShi1ty> if it hangs again,I'll try `ps`
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• 1456[20:58:59] <greycat> but surely you already did... or else where did you find the PID?
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• 1492[21:37:34] <MrHatter123> I have a debian 10 box, I don't recall issues when it upgraded from 9 to 10, however I just treid to restart openvpn with systemctl restar topenvpn
• 1493[21:37:41] <MrHatter123> and this happened : System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.
• 1494[21:37:41] <MrHatter123> Failed to connect to bus: Host is down
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• 1498[21:40:06] <greycat> what does ls -l /sbin/init say?
• 1499[21:40:22] <MrHatter123> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 36992 Jul 15 2013 /sbin/init
• 1500[21:40:30] <greycat> you're using sysvinit, rather than systemd
• 1501[21:40:39] <karlpinc> MrHatter123: Can't use systemctl without systemd.
• 1502[21:40:51] <greycat> you'll need to use sysv commands like "service foo restart" or "/etc/init.d/foo restart"
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• 1504[21:41:27] <greycat> if you were using systemd, /sbin/init would be a symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd
• 1505[21:41:45] <MrHatter123> greycat, thx, I have no idea why that would have happened, at the time I upgradeed aroud 20 boxes from 9 to 10, all of them are using systemd
• 1506[21:42:00] <MrHatter123> can init be converted to systemd ?
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• 1508[21:42:31] <greycat> Yes, it should be possible to convert this box to systemd, though usually people ask for the other way around since systemd is the default.
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• 1511[21:44:11] <greycat> First of all, make sure you're using a new enough Linux kernel (3.x is required, I believe). Then I think it's simply "apt install systemd-sysv" but maybe read through replaced-url
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• 1515[21:45:39] <MrHatter123> yes, kernel is fine. 4.19.0-9-amd64
• 1516[21:45:52] <MrHatter123> debian 10.8
• 1517[21:46:02] <alive> Hi debian 11 is amazing
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• 1519[21:46:12] <alive> running bullseye on my laptop and i just noticed the 11 logo
• 1520[21:46:17] <alive> it's running great.
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• 1536[22:02:44] <abff> sometimes I wonder what debian will do when they run out of toy story characters
• 1537[22:02:58] <abff> has there been a mr-shark version yet?
• 1538[22:03:01] <abff> he's the best character
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• 1540[22:03:59] <alive> did debian exist before toy story?
• 1541[22:04:05] <greycat> no
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• 1543[22:04:37] <abff> greycat: howdy howdy howdy
• 1544[22:04:47] <greycat> "Toy Story premiered at the El Capitan Theatre in Los Angeles, California, on November 19, 1995"
• 1545[22:04:55] <MrHatter123> abff: debian 35, will be 'buzz'
• 1546[22:04:59] <greycat> And the first Debian stable release was in 1996.
• 1547[22:05:15] <greycat> Although apparently development began in 1993.
• 1548[22:05:34] <greycat> !buzz
• 1549[22:05:34] <dpkg> rumour has it, buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg). Ask me about <archive>.
• 1550[22:05:37] <abff> you never name your work until it's done
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• 1553[22:06:08] <abff> !shark
• 1554[22:06:08] <dpkg> shark is probably me, or tired. both, or going to bed now.
• 1555[22:06:11] <MrHatter123> greycat: that is my point. It will start from the beginning again :)
• 1556[22:06:15] <flrnd> abff: there are more than 100
• 1557[22:06:45] <abff> flrnd: yeah because disney doesn't know when to stop there will not be a shortage
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• 1559[22:07:09] <flrnd> I asked myself that question too tho
• 1560[22:08:36] <flrnd> damm, I feel old now
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• 1563[22:10:08] <abff> didn't they make a toy story 3?
• 1564[22:10:17] <abff> wasn't 2 mistake enough
• 1565[22:10:34] <jhutchins> Nothing new in Hollywood.
• 1566[22:10:35] <alive> i think there's even a 4
• 1567[22:11:30] <alive> Why didn't devuan take the great opportunity to name their first release forky
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• 1569[22:11:41] <flrnd> lol
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• 1571[22:12:16] <alive> oh they were too early
• 1572[22:12:21] <alive> forky was in toy story 4
• 1573[22:12:25] <alive> 2019
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• 1575[22:13:05] <alive> Someone needs to fork debian just for the lol
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• 1577[22:13:22] <abff> dang whipper snappers with their fancy toy story the next generation
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• 1581[22:14:22] <abff> I bet buzz lightman even has a drone pack now
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• 1664[22:51:18] <noshem> hi, i just installed debian, and i'm a newbie, and there's no terminal or console emulator, and no software manager, so how am i supposed to install packages?
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• 1666[22:52:06] <noshem> oh wait sorry i see synaptic now
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• 1682[22:54:52] <imMute> noahmg123: you can also Ctrl+Alt+F1 to switch to a virtual terminal and get a CLI there. (Ctrl+Alt+F7 to switch back to the GUI)
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• 1698[23:04:42] <jhutchins> !handbook
• 1699[23:04:42] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
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• 1728[23:35:02] <rindolf> it's back: replaced-url
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• 1731[23:37:19] <rindolf> thanks
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