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• 54[00:21:54] <kus> if I only install debian with openbox but no de, what will handle the log in screen?
• 55[00:22:30] <petn-randall> kus: If you don't installa display manager, there will be no graphical login screen.
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• 57[00:22:35] <mnuhmnuh> kus: guess: lightdm.
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• 61[00:24:32] <kus> is it possible to have an installer with just lightdm and openbox but include utilities especially for wifi wicd and wicd-gtk (and dependencies like network manager) out of the box? do we already have something like this? this computer doesn't have an ethernet port so the only way I can figure out to install debian is with a de
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• 65[00:25:42] <leptone> How can I check if ports on my system are open?
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• 68[00:26:06] <loeken> leptone, you could portscan yourself :)
• 69[00:26:17] <qman> leptone: iptables -nvL
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• 76[00:29:25] <petn-randall> qman: That only tells you if there's a firewall rule or not.
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• 78[00:29:45] <petn-randall> leptone: 'netstat -npl' will tell you what program is bound to which port.
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• 89[00:37:58] <mnuhmnuh> replaced-url
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• 108[00:47:25] <donofrio-g5> this install slowed way down when I added 'non-free' the did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y the I apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics - now glxgears is good and kodi run's but god is the video slow to render, even just hexchat is slow....how do I fix this slowness?
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• 111[00:50:15] <Tarrasquero> donofrio-g5: radeon god :P
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• 114[00:51:31] <donofrio-g5> Tarrasquero, it's working just slows down my system ;( sometimes 10 seconds to change workspaces
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• 134[01:04:52] <kodomo> Hi all! I've got something semi-offtopic which may be relevant ontopic ;) (actually: a bug in asterisk-dahdi I noticed in Devuan which apparently stems from the Debian repositories)
• 135[01:05:12] <donofrio-g5> nothing returned when I did that lspci for audio.....keep in context this desktop worked on ubuntu 16.04 now in debian 9 so my rdp client will work...
• 136[01:05:34] <kodomo> I filed a bug report w/ Devuan but hesitate to file one against a Debian distribution I do not have installed - however, someone interested might wish to check.
• 137[01:05:45] <kodomo> It's filed under replaced-url
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• 141[01:07:21] <donofrio-g5> kodomo, we're debian here perhaps see if #asterisk is a valid channel
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• 143[01:07:52] <kodomo> donofrio-g5: This is not an asterisk bug, but a Debian/Devuan one
• 144[01:08:12] <donofrio-g5> kodomo, you need to talk with packager/maintainer of that deb
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• 146[01:08:52] <donofrio-g5> perhaps file a bug in debian wiki
• 147[01:10:10] <kodomo> donofrio-g5: The app is fine and alive in asterisk, but it got an intermittent(!) 'deprecated' status in asterisk v.10 which was reversed based on an asterisk bug report against the decision (omitting it broke other parts). Debian followed the shift to 'deprecated', but not the shift back to 'extended support'.
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• 154[01:11:30] <kodomo> donofrio-g5: I'm hesitant filing a bug report against a distribution I have not installed - someone who has might want to check whether the 'bug' actually holds in stretch (as far as I can see without installing: it does) (bug being an exclusion of app_meetme.so because it's erroneously deemed 'deprecated')
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• 156[01:12:18] <donofrio-g5> kodomo, are you a maintaner of that package, cause guessing you need to install at least debian to have issues with a debian package
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• 159[01:13:56] <kodomo> donofrio-g5: That's my point! I'm a user migrating from a very old installation to a current Devuan (which afaik still derives its packets from Debian) => I do _not_ have Debian installed, but it may be of interest to the Debian maintainer => hence my message in this channel.
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• 161[01:15:13] <kodomo> I _could_ file a bug report based on launchpad information, but I thought I'd be nice and ask beforehand, as it'd not be conventional to do so ;)
• 162[01:15:13] <donofrio-g5> kodomo, ok I'll leave you to type, do not think that maintainer is here in this channel but not knowing I'll go back to waiting for someone that can help me troubleshoot no audio
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• 169[01:17:38] <donofrio-g5> kodomo, oh and if it's depricated chances are there is a good reason
• 170[01:17:48] <kodomo> donofrio-g5: it's _not_
• 171[01:18:16] <donofrio-g5> lol I'll go back to mute but i stand by my notion that once depicated like powerpc32 bit its gone
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• 173[01:18:57] <kodomo> donofrio-g5: somebody upstream tried to flag it as deprecated and it broke things, so they reversed it in a bugtracker discussion I guess the Debian maintainer did not read, because he got the 'deprecated' status update
• 174[01:19:26] <kodomo> This confusion/error at least has extravaganza! XD
• 175[01:19:54] <donofrio-g5> you can do apt-cache search might tell you who created it....but guessin if your in bugtrac then you'll find them...
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• 184[01:25:07] <donofrio-g5> my system so slow after I installed firmware-ati-graphics gotta be something I can do to get the speed back also nothing returned when I did that lspci for audio.....keep in context this desktop worked on ubuntu 16.04 now in debian 9 so my rdp client will work...
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• 186[01:25:33] <kodomo> donofrio-g5: thx :) I'm writing to pkg-voip-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org :)
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• 213[01:47:24] <donofrio-g5> anyone have a moment to help me troubleshoot my missing audio?
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• 217[01:48:10] <annadane> donofrio-g5, some more details would be good
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• 226[01:52:24] <donofrio-g5> annadane, sure thing.....replaced-url
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• 228[01:53:05] <annadane> ah, you're on buster sid
• 229[01:53:08] <annadane> buster/sid *
• 230[01:53:11] <annadane> !debian-next
• 231[01:53:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 232[01:53:28] <donofrio-g5> annadane, no they sent me back here they said debian 9 is normal support
• 233[01:53:37] <donofrio-g5> debain 10 is next
• 234[01:53:50] <annadane> err
• 235[01:54:06] <donofrio-g5> I'm on sid I believe debain 9.....
• 236[01:54:08] <annadane> they *shouldn't* have sent you back here, i don't understand that
• 237[01:54:22] <annadane> no, sid is debian unstable, which does not have a version number
• 238[01:54:23] <donofrio-g5> I even told them you folks send me there all the time...
• 239[01:54:29] <annadane> stretch is debian 9
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• 243[01:54:59] <Brigo> donofrio-g5, annadane and i are in #debian-next too.
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• 245[01:56:14] <donofrio-g5> all I know is I am installed with debian 9 and everything is good except once I added non-free and apt-get update/upgrade and apt-get install firmware-ati-graphics and now everything is slow to switch graphics like from workspace one to workspace three takes 10 seconds but at least kodi 17.3 starts was upset about gl issue before I went to non-free....
• 246[01:56:30] <annadane> stretch is 9, buster is 10, bullseye is 11 and sid will always be sid as it always refers to unstable
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• 248[01:56:35] <donofrio-g5> not I'd just like to get the gui sped back up and the audio working
• 249[01:56:54] <annadane> donofrio-g5, what does cat /etc/debian_version say
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• 251[01:57:15] <donofrio-g5> all I know is when I told debain-text folks on OFTC they said no go back its supported in normal channel
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• 253[01:58:30] <donofrio-g5> annadane, buster/sid (keep incontext they said sid was supported here)
• 254[01:58:42] <annadane> well, that's just wrong, because it's not
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• 256[01:59:02] <Brigo> donofrio-g5, then #debian-next is the place, somiaj sent you here becuase he thouhgt you were using debian 9-
• 257[01:59:08] <annadane> i wonder, if it says buster/sid, whether you mixed that in along with stretch, giving you a frankendebian which may be the cause of problems
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• 260[01:59:49] <annadane> so we should take it to #debian-next (on OFTC), but i think posting your sources list would be a good start over there; "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
• 261[02:00:32] <Brigo> i have to go, sorry, and good luck.
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• 263[02:01:13] <annadane> and also i guess:
• 264[02:01:16] <annadane> !alsa checklist
• 265[02:01:16] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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• 349[03:15:37] <elpsy> Dumb question. Does debian have a "server" version like ubuntu? I typically use ubuntu server but am looking to give debian a try.
• 350[03:16:00] <elpsy> Or is the main debian version the "server" version in that it doesn't ship with a default desktop environment?
• 351[03:16:03] <abff> you can build debian any way you like
• 352[03:16:25] <somiaj> elpsy: debian gives you the freedom to install any subset of packages you like
• 353[03:16:34] <annadane> pretty much, though afaik if you check the "server" option in the debian installer you get the apache2 package
• 354[03:16:41] <somiaj> you can choose to install a desktop (default) or only a minmial package and build a server from that.
• 355[03:16:54] <somiaj> if you don't want a desktop, you have to unslect that during the install (which many do)
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• 357[03:17:29] <annadane> (but of course if you even *want* apache, you can always just apt install it later, you don't need to have it in the installer)
• 358[03:18:05] <abff> somiaj is right, the only thing that differentiates a server from a regular computer in userland is what is installed and how they communicate with the outside world
• 359[03:18:19] <somiaj> abff: basically debian isntalls a minmial system, then uses software called tasksel to install groups of common software.
• 360[03:18:47] <somiaj> the end of the installer runs tasksel, and you caneither choose to use it to install some predefined tasks, or just turn them all off and install only the software you use, whcih is the prefered way for a server
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• 364[03:20:45] <somiaj> elpsy: ^^ (sorry wrong person)
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• 382[03:34:39] <elpsy> Thanks yall! So it seems that I make that decision in the installer so i don't need a separate iso. I appreciate the help!
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• 495[05:00:56] <CryptoSiD> Hi, Im wondering why sometime "apt-get upgrade" wont upgrade some package but instead will output "do apt list --upgradable" to see upgradable packages and is there a way to "fix" this?
• 496[05:01:15] <CryptoSiD> 10 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
• 497[05:01:36] <dvs> CryptoSiD, apt-get dist-upgrade
• 498[05:01:56] <CryptoSiD> yeah?
• 499[05:02:18] <CryptoSiD> this is what im running: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; apt full-upgrade -y ; apt-get --purge autoremove -y ;
• 500[05:02:34] <CryptoSiD> but yet i still get the message to run apt list --upgradable
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• 514[05:13:28] <r3> how about a Debian package for Active Directory integration? Maybe run as a BDC? Just had a thought that this might be a thing... ideas?
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• 520[05:16:58] <r3> !winbind
• 521[05:16:58] <dpkg> Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). replaced-url
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• 533[05:27:26] <somiaj> r3: samba can act as an active directory domain controll and can connect to them, not sure on the details though
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• 541[05:30:56] <r3> this looks like what I am after, will have to do more reading (tomorrow.) cheers! :) replaced-url
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• 569[05:56:57] <r3> ...though I think that the trickiest bit of getting it set up will be setting DNS up first so that it plays nice with the existing DNS infrastructure... hrm, well that's what test systems are for, right? heh.
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• 598[06:27:45] <zedki> wondering where .conky is. It is not where it is in every other distro that I've seen
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• 610[06:42:15] <asifnaz> Hi...Is Debian available with lxde as de
• 611[06:42:31] <abff> ,p lxde
• 612[06:42:41] <abff> god I suck at this bot
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• 616[06:43:25] <asifnaz> I am looking for debian with lxde
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• 620[06:45:57] <somiaj> asifnaz: yes, debian provides lxde as one of the many desktop enviroments you can install
• 621[06:46:22] <somiaj> the isntaller additionally gives you the option to install it during hte install phase
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• 654[07:10:02] <R0b0t1`> I'm trying to connect to a new install but I can't
• 655[07:10:08] <R0b0t1`> The network is up
• 656[07:10:11] <R0b0t1`> I even tried installing ufw
• 657[07:10:14] <R0b0t1`> and using iptables
• 658[07:10:17] <R0b0t1`> What else is there?
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• 663[07:13:25] <somiaj> by default there is no firewall. How are you trying to connect? did you install ssh
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• 665[07:14:12] <R0b0t1`> I did
• 666[07:14:20] <R0b0t1`> I am trying to nc my key over
• 667[07:15:04] <somiaj> are you sure the ssh server is running on the remote machine?
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• 669[07:15:38] <somiaj> by default nothing should be blocking. Just need to install openssh-server and then make sure your network gives you a route to the host
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• 671[07:16:08] <R0b0t1`> I have a route to the host and can ping it
• 672[07:16:15] <R0b0t1`> But I can't connect to nc -l XXXX
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• 674[07:17:11] <R0b0t1`> somiaj: I'm not trying to connect via ssh
• 675[07:17:16] <R0b0t1`> I'm trying to use netcat
• 676[07:17:24] <somiaj> do you have a port open for netcat to connect to?
• 677[07:17:33] <R0b0t1`> netstat -tuplen shows ssh
• 678[07:17:38] <R0b0t1`> I do when I run nc -l 2200
• 679[07:17:47] <R0b0t1`> But when connecting from localhost or otherwise, that fails
• 680[07:17:54] <R0b0t1`> I did not install a firewall
• 681[07:17:58] <R0b0t1`> So what is there by default on Debian 9?
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• 683[07:19:01] <somiaj> nothing
• 684[07:19:10] <somiaj> debian doesn't ship with a default firewall
• 685[07:19:48] <R0b0t1`> Oh
• 686[07:19:51] <R0b0t1`> This version of nc is broken
• 687[07:20:02] <R0b0t1`> nc -vp XXXX
• 688[07:20:06] <R0b0t1`> > inverse host lookup failed
• 689[07:20:16] <R0b0t1`> -vl*
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• 800[08:40:30] <leptone> How can i use curl to download this file: replaced-url
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• 806[08:43:48] <GNU\colossus> leptone, try curl -OL replaced-url
• 807[08:43:49] <nwe> leptone: curl -O -L
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• 826[08:57:27] <dkas> hi all. I want to add a source to my unattended-upgrades, but I struggle to understand the config file.
• 827[08:57:57] <awal1> How can i call weechat to connect two different servers and multiple channels via a single command?
• 828[08:58:21] <dkas> Do I just have to match anything in the "origin=..." string?
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• 830[08:58:29] <awal1> something like "weechat irc://username@irc.oftc.net/#debian"
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• 832[08:59:13] <awal1> but i want it to connect with same username to freenode and oftc and two both debian channels on those servers
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• 841[09:06:30] <leptone> thx
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• 859[09:13:00] <High_Priest> guys, I'm on debian stretch, and since the latest dist-upgrade a few days ago, I'm facing a strange glitch over the whole screen that happens almost any time I hover my mouse over youtube video. Tested with FF and chromium. Any ideas on how to debug this?
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• 862[09:14:21] <awal1> High_Priest, which desktop env.? and do you have adobe flash?
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• 867[09:15:20] <High_Priest> awal1, kde, and just tried the adobe flash test page, and it doesn't work, so I guess no
• 868[09:15:29] <High_Priest> doesn't exist in the plugins either
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• 873[09:19:16] <High_Priest> also, this happens sometimes (not that often) with other windows or mouse over
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• 925[09:42:20] <halt> So me here again, question about kernel livepatch, what's the status in the debian world ? Are we planing it and if so what's the play, and if not then why ?
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• 937[09:51:30] <jelly> halt: isn't preparing and verifying live patches a whole lot of work?
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• 943[09:54:54] <halt> well ... if you mean in CPU time then yeah probably, but it's 99% of that can be automated, as far as my understanding goes, 1) git diff 2) create patch 3) apply 4) validate 5) distribute I mean the complexity is one thing, but that should not mean that there is not even a plan for it
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• 946[09:55:16] <jelly> best look at the kernel team's mailing list for an answer
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• 948[09:56:50] <jelly> halt: I mean human work.
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• 955[10:00:31] <halt> jelly: you mean e-mail the list and ask about it ? as I tried to search for this on the mail list archive and all I found was this replaced-url
• 956[10:00:42] <jelly> someone has to decide there's an issue, that it's worth and possible to patch live (that it does not change any existing structures, or that it can reliably change all at once without a change in size), do that, and then test for all debian's kernel builds
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• 965[10:06:12] <halt> I'm aware that the debian kernel team do more qa then then mainline kernel team, but it's just feel strange if we have the option to never reboot ever then why no one even interested, the option is there in the mainline kernel we "just" need to use it, just to be clear I'm not asking for the function like right now, I just want to see if there is a plan to do it, or a statement why it will be never done, like devuan does not have a timeline to switch to
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• 967[10:08:40] <alkisg> Don't other apps need reboot, except for the kernel?
• 968[10:08:49] <halt> jelly: btw I don't want to underestimate the amount of human work to make it happen, but if we would be scared from a task just because of the size nothing in this distro would exist
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• 972[10:10:39] <halt> alkisg: sure most of them do, but service reload time <<< server reload time, but there are already nice methods to do graceful restarts without downtime
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• 975[10:11:16] <alkisg> halt: kexec shouldn't need more time than livepatch+all service reload
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• 987[10:15:31] <halt> I had to read up about kexec, and that does look like an alternative, so that's is a good argument why livepath is not used if it's already implemented
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• 1002[10:21:50] <Haohmaru> what sort of thing should i search for.. i want to swap two letters on the keyboard?
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• 1005[10:22:03] <Haohmaru> it must be possible, this is linux
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• 1008[10:22:34] <Haohmaru> ehm, not in the "US" language but in the local one
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• 1011[10:23:12] <klys> man xkbcomp
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• 1016[10:25:34] <Haohmaru> thanks
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• 1018[10:25:45] <klys> yw.
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• 1026[10:32:07] <Haohmaru> klys just to be sure, can i effectively make a clone of the existing (standard) local language keyboard mapping, modify it (swap two letters) and still use the same thing i use to change languages (i've no idea what it is, it happens when i press alt+shift, on debian9+lxde)
• 1027[10:32:52] <Haohmaru> or does the "alt+shift" manager (or however it's called) have to be changed to a specific one
• 1028[10:33:04] <klys> not too clear on the details
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• 1031[10:33:21] <Haohmaru> k
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• 1033[10:33:35] <klys> stick around and mebby someone will know
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• 1045[10:38:56] <alkisg> Haohmaru: xmodmap lets you redefine keys with one command instead of a whole mapping; man xmodmap; maybe it's easier for your use case
• 1046[10:39:06] <alkisg> See the example about comma there
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• 1054[10:48:23] <Haohmaru> xmodmap doesn't look easy
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• 1057[10:48:52] <alkisg> Haohmaru: example: xmodmap -e 'keycode 59 = comma less period less guillemotleft'
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• 1059[10:49:03] <alkisg> This makes my comma work like comma in english, and like period (.) in greek
• 1060[10:49:07] <Haohmaru> but i found this article which aims to swap exactly the same two letters (but in russian) replaced-url
• 1061[10:49:08] <alkisg> What are you trying to remap?
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• 1064[10:49:42] <Haohmaru> в <-> ж, and their uppercase versions too В <-> Ж
• 1065[10:50:39] <alkisg> output of this? xmodmap -pk | grep -w b
• 1066[10:52:59] <Haohmaru> 56 0x0062 (b) 0x0042 (B) 0x06c2 (Cyrillic_be) 0x06e2 (Cyrillic_BE)
• 1067[10:53:24] <alkisg> And which key are you using to type Ж ?
• 1068[10:53:42] <alkisg> E.g. x? run the same command for that, e.g.: xmodmap -pk | grep -w x
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• 1074[10:55:23] <Haohmaru> those two letters are located on the english W and V respectively, and this makes no sense because В is pretty much the same thing as V, so they should be on the same key
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• 1078[10:56:09] <alkisg> Haohmaru: xmodmap -pk | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1079[10:56:19] <alkisg> So that I give you the exact commands.
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• 1083[10:57:25] <Haohmaru> but.. what will the commands do? would i have to run those commands after reboot?
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• 1088[10:58:15] <alkisg> Yes, on login, you can put them in .xinitrc
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• 1090[10:59:06] <Haohmaru> in windows, i do this with some silly microsoft tool where i clone the "bulgarian phonetic" layout, swap the keys, and then save this as "bulgarian phonetic (modified)" or whatever i like.. and then i can just use that or the original, i can also give the modified layout to someone else
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• 1096[11:01:00] <Haohmaru> and i need to apply this to my own computer and to a few more (all of them debian9+lxde)
• 1097[11:01:45] <Haohmaru> the other users are not commandline h4x0rs
• 1098[11:02:00] <Haohmaru> will the article i pasted above do the job?
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• 1100[11:02:37] <Haohmaru> except i don't want to permanently modify the original "bg phonetic" layout
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• 1114[11:11:49] <freiform__> I recently stumbled over a Blueman related Bluetooth problem and wanted to know if I am under any misconception how accessing a serial device over BT should work: replaced-url
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• 1143[11:34:15] <Zitter> hi, is there a .deb to convert from mbox to eml? I've tried mbox2emal script, found in the web, but it erros with "error while loading shared libraries: libboost_system.so.1.54.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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• 1147[11:36:08] <gpunk> have you installed this libboost-system1* ?
• 1148[11:36:22] <Zitter> yes
• 1149[11:36:31] <petn-randall> Zitter: A bit overkill, but you could configure dovecot to read the mbox and serve it via IMAP. Then you can access the mailbox via mail client, and pretty much all of them support saving as eml.
• 1150[11:37:33] <Zitter> where my "mail client" is gmail account?
• 1151[11:37:48] <gpunk> you can download the proper version of libboost-system1 from debian website
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• 1153[11:38:01] <Zitter> I have mbox file and I have to import a in GMail account
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• 1155[11:39:21] <Zitter> when I try apt-get install libboost-system1* it tells me that there are not dependecies satisfied
• 1156[11:39:38] <gpunk> did you do apt update ? first
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• 1164[11:41:17] <Zitter> of course :)
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• 1172[11:45:16] <petn-randall> Zitter: Are those mail currently hosted somewhere else?
• 1173[11:45:35] <petn-randall> Zitter: Meaning, can you currently access those mails via IMAP? If yes, there is a much easier shortcut.
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• 1177[11:47:20] <Haohmaru> well, i made a backup and modified /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/bg .. but then i tried dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data and dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, and i still don't see the changes i made to be selectable
• 1178[11:47:57] <Haohmaru> do i need to do dpkg-reconfigure locales?
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• 1183[11:49:18] <Haohmaru> or is /usr/share/X11/xkb/ not the right place in debian? (cuz the article talks about ubuntu)
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• 1207[12:00:14] <Zitter> petn-randall, I have an offline MBOX file to convert into eml files and then import into a gmail account. Dunno if it is possible to import directly mbox into gmail.
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• 1213[12:02:56] <NetTerminalGene> does gnome in debian have ability to close screen after for some time for power saving?
• 1214[12:03:12] <NetTerminalGene> after some time*
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• 1221[12:05:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's a feature of the screensaver
• 1222[12:08:21] <Zitter> this tool seems good for what I have to do replaced-url
• 1223[12:08:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> if gnome-screensaver cannot do that (but I think it can), xscreensaver can
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• 1225[12:08:40] <NetTerminalGene> CutMeOwnThroat, does it also lock the screen after some time if the computer is idle?
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• 1227[12:09:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> obviously
• 1228[12:09:40] <NetTerminalGene> CutMeOwnThroat, are you sure?
• 1229[12:09:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> you may have to configure either or both
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• 1231[12:10:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> are you sure that this is the question you want to ask?
• 1232[12:11:15] <NetTerminalGene> yes
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• 1234[12:11:40] <NetTerminalGene> i am going to switch to gnome from kde
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• 1236[12:12:09] <NetTerminalGene> so i need everything to be perfect
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• 1239[12:12:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> nothing in this world is perfect
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• 1241[12:12:59] <petn-randall> !perfect
• 1242[12:12:59] <dpkg> There is no such thing as absolute perfection. Perfection is completely subjective. [with the possible exception of Debian.] See Debian.
• 1243[12:13:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> :D
• 1244[12:13:35] <rudi_s> !debian
• 1245[12:13:35] <dpkg> rumour has it, debian is replaced-url
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• 1247[12:15:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> Zitter, looks like a way to switch from google to elsewhere
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• 1349[13:10:36] <CryptoSiD> Hi, Im wondering why sometime "apt-get upgrade" wont upgrade some package but instead will output "do apt list --upgradable" to see upgradable packages and is there a way to "fix" this?
• 1350[13:10:46] <CryptoSiD> 10 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
• 1351[13:11:05] <CryptoSiD> is there a way to make those package upgrade with a apt full-upgrade -y or apt-get dist-upgrade?
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• 1355[13:13:12] <Nawab> apt-get dist-upgrade is just a way to make a jump from one version to another
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• 1357[13:14:14] <Nawab> maybe you can do something like apt-get list --upgradable | apt-get upgrade, but i couldnt suggest it without more consultations
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• 1399[13:30:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's wrong. apt-get dist-upgrade is also allowed to remove packages or install new packages if that is needed for newer versions… those packages will be held back with just apt-get upgrade
• 1400[13:31:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> CryptoSiD, I've not ever seen apt-get upgrade print that message
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• 1430[13:44:50] <petn-randall> CryptoSiD: That is when you run 'apt update'. If you run 'apt upgrade' and it won't update, it should list those packages.
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• 1461[14:04:44] <High_Priest> guys, I'm facing a strange glitch over the whole screen that happens almost any time I hover my mouse over youtube video. Also happens when switching other windows. I'm on KDE, Tested with FF and chromium. Any ideas on how to debug this?
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• 1464[14:06:15] <gpunk> what kind of video card you have?
• 1465[14:06:53] <High_Priest> not sure, let me check
• 1466[14:07:08] <High_Priest> this issue started a few days ago, since the last apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 1470[14:09:16] <petn-randall> High_Priest: Which OS release are you running?
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• 1475[14:10:14] <High_Priest> gpunk, intel open source driver with Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)
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• 1477[14:10:19] <High_Priest> petn-randall, stretch
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• 1483[14:11:44] <gpunk> i had my intel driver upgrade on sid , so you may get a fix in a few,
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• 1485[14:11:55] <gpunk> since the last upgrade may have introduced a bug
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• 1487[14:12:29] <petn-randall> no driver from sid ever reach stretch. That's not how it works.
• 1488[14:12:33] <petn-randall> *reaches
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• 1491[14:12:56] <gpunk> quotes/quotes
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• 1493[14:13:19] <High_Priest> so will it be fixed in stretch? is there a bug report?
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• 1498[14:15:44] <High_Priest> i think I found a bug report, let me reboot the older kernel to verify. brb
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• 1512[14:20:50] <High_Priest> okay, so no problems with 4.9.0-3-amd64
• 1513[14:21:02] <ertes-w> hi… in sources.list is "deb x y z1\ndeb x y z2" equivalent to "deb x y z1 z2"?
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• 1515[14:21:41] <High_Priest> the problem exists in 4.9.0-4-amd64
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• 1517[14:23:47] <petn-randall> ertes-w: If you're referring to the suite, then yes.
• 1518[14:25:24] <ertes-w> petn-randall: not sure what i'm referring to… i'm trying to programmatically add 'contrib', and i'd rather just add a sources-list.d file with "deb URL RELEASE contrib"
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• 1520[14:25:44] <ertes-w> … instead of sed-overwriting the sources-list itself
• 1521[14:25:58] <ertes-w> s/-list/.list/
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• 1523[14:26:37] <petn-randall> ertes-w: Yes, it's equivalen then.
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• 1525[14:27:08] <ertes-w> thank you
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• 1572[14:57:06] <OS-33679> hey this is the PWK group?
• 1573[14:57:28] <petn-randall> OS-33679: Kali or Parrot?
• 1574[14:57:33] <OS-33679> Kali
• 1575[14:57:36] <petn-randall> !kali
• 1576[14:57:36] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1577[14:57:42] <petn-randall> OS-33679: Try asking there. ^^^
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• 1581[14:59:07] <katana_knife> hello
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• 1590[15:02:44] <hgabor84_> Hi
• 1591[15:03:01] <supercynic> on debian jessie where do i find the devel version of ImageMagick? neither main nor contrib has ImageMagick-devel
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• 1593[15:03:35] <petn-randall> supercynic: There is no such thing in Debian jessie.
• 1594[15:03:37] <hgabor84_> I didn't get any answer from other channel or forums - so I need to ask you too: what is the problem if I always get black screen with blinking cursor top left when system go idle?
• 1595[15:03:58] <supercynic> petn-randall: do i have any options besides installing it from source?
• 1596[15:04:05] <petn-randall> hgabor84_: What OS release is this?
• 1597[15:04:06] <hgabor84_> Usually on other Linux systems I get the login screen while I'm away from computer
• 1598[15:04:15] <hgabor84_> But with Xfce I get the blank screen with cursor but I can't return to the system, because its freeze.
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• 1600[15:04:17] <petn-randall> supercynic: Depends on what you want to do with it and why you need it.
• 1601[15:04:25] <hgabor84_> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.3 • CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 723 @ 1.20GHz (1,20GHz) • Memory: Physical: 1,9 GiB Total (316,4 MiB Free) Swap: 3,6 GiB Total (2,7 GiB Free) • Storage: 29,4 GB / 322,1 GB (292,6 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710/M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4330/4350/4550] @ Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 1d 7h 5m 47s
• 1602[15:04:39] <hgabor84_> Xfce x64
• 1603[15:05:02] <hgabor84_> this is the one of the computers with the same os and problem.
• 1604[15:05:44] <supercynic> petn-randall: i need it to compile a project… in particular it wants what appears to be IM's pkg-config equivalent: MagickWand-config
• 1605[15:05:50] <hgabor84_> So I need to turn off the idle-settings in energy settings panel.
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• 1607[15:06:23] <petn-randall> supercynic: What project?
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• 1613[15:08:10] <gpunk> ,v imagemagick
• 1614[15:08:11] <judd> Package: imagemagick on amd64 -- wheezy: 8:6.7.7.10-5+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 8:6.7.7.10-5+deb7u18; jessie: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u11; jessie-security: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u11; stretch: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u3; stretch-security: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u3; buster: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-16; sid: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-16; experimental: 8:6.9.9.6+dfsg-1
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• 1624[15:12:41] <_NiC> In the installer (booted 8.9 from PXE), during partitioning, the only options I have for "How to use this partition" are "swap area", "physical volume for encryption" and "do not use this partition". Where have the ext3/ext4/etc filesystems gone?
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• 1630[15:18:02] <petn-randall> _NiC: Maybe there is already a LUKS partition in place it recognized? If that's the case, you have to delete it first before the installer will allow you do do something else with it.
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• 1637[15:19:21] <_NiC> petn-randall, there has been no luks on this server ever :-\
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• 1639[15:20:15] <petn-randall> _NiC: Is there a partition table on the disk?
• 1640[15:20:15] <_NiC> I've been struggling with this problem (mounting of / fails) for a while, it was only when I ran the install manually (not preseed) that I saw the options for a normal filesystem actually was missing.
• 1641[15:20:48] <_NiC> If I boot from a virtual media netinstall CD, it works fine, so it almost seems like there's missing support in the netboot kernel/initrd or something.
• 1642[15:20:52] <_NiC> petn-randall, yes
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• 1667[15:29:33] <bmatt> KICK A BONE
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• 1682[15:38:31] <Sia-> hi
• 1683[15:38:40] <klys> hi
• 1684[15:38:46] <Sia-> whats wrong with debian community??
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• 1687[15:39:19] <klys> sia-, why do you ask? do you think it is too fractured?
• 1688[15:39:35] <Sia-> installed debian stable, testing with kde, xfce, gnome in all of them ORCA system automatic installed and startet as Screen Reader
• 1689[15:39:45] <bolt> Sia-: that's so wrong
• 1690[15:40:04] <Sia-> is really annoying
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• 1695[15:40:35] <bolt> Sia-: if you're disabled, you can't turn those features on. thus the rest of us have to turn them off. this is why windows 10 talks to you by default too.
• 1696[15:41:20] <bolt> Sia-: this is also why you sometimes have to walk up an awkward ramp instead of a nice flight of stairs
• 1697[15:41:21] <Sia-> bolt dont talk about windows, havnt seeing it in my house since 2003 :-)
• 1698[15:41:36] <mahafyi> hello, i am trying to add to $PATH, but I am not able to do so for root user. i added and exported PATH in /etc/profile , and also , /root/.profile
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• 1701[15:42:43] <bolt> Sia-: 1 internet for you. meanwhile, until there's a chip in your hand that tells the computer you need voice assistance, they'll have to assume you do until you tell it you don't
• 1702[15:43:05] <Sia-> i should have at least the possibility to say no to Screen Reader or the autot start script. That's absolut not FREEDOM in debian.
• 1703[15:43:37] <bolt> Sia-: if you want freedom, run the base installer and install things as you want
• 1704[15:43:38] <Sia-> bolt i'm still looking in google and alle KDE forums to find it and remove it
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• 1707[15:44:20] <bolt> Sia-: none of my debian machines have ever started screen reading to me. you're selecting defaults that do, and like i said, they kind of have to
• 1708[15:44:23] <Sia-> bolt i use the netinstaller and installed XFCE4 alone. but still orca is meta packages
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• 1720[15:50:47] <bmatt> pinpoint a biscuit
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• 1722[15:52:00] <petn-randall> bmatt: Do you have a Debian support question?
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• 1724[15:52:09] <litb> hello all
• 1725[15:52:16] <petn-randall> hi litb
• 1726[15:52:33] <bmatt> petn-randall: of course
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• 1728[15:52:41] <litb> ccache version 3.1.12 is broken for C++11 sources
• 1729[15:52:57] <litb> it silently converts all newlines in C++11 raw string literals into literal "\n" characters!
• 1730[15:52:58] <petn-randall> bmatt: Feel free to ask it then instead of spamming the channel.
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• 1732[15:53:09] <petn-randall> ,v ccache
• 1733[15:53:09] <judd> Package: ccache on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.1.7-1; jessie: 3.1.12-1+b1; buster: 3.3.4-1; sid: 3.3.4-1; stretch: 3.3.4-1
• 1734[15:53:12] <bmatt> petn-randall: the question is...if i install Debian, how long will it be before I become an asshole like you?
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• 1739[15:53:30] <litb> IMO this is a major flaw
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• 1741[15:55:50] <petn-randall> litb: Have you checked the BTS yet if this has been reported?
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• 1746[15:56:50] <darxmurf> folks, anyone is using a linux backup system to backup windows client ? if yes, which one ?
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• 1749[15:57:28] <litb> petn-randall, not sure what PTS is?
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• 1751[15:57:40] <litb> bug trackers?
• 1752[15:57:45] <litb> i have not found any entry regarding this
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• 1754[15:58:00] <gpunk> darxmurf you can tar windows shares
• 1755[15:58:12] <gpunk> from a linux
• 1756[15:58:14] <mahafyi> sorry to repeat, i am trying to add to $PATH, but I am not able to do so for root user. i added and exported PATH in /etc/profile , and also , /root/.profile
• 1757[15:58:22] <oliv-> Is there a way to keep several kernel version on a jessie box ? at every kernel upgrade, the old one is removed and replaced by the new one :(
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• 1760[15:58:55] <gpunk> mahafyi: what did write in /etc/profile ?
• 1761[15:59:08] <litb> also jessie-backports provides no newer version of it
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• 1763[15:59:12] <litb> so i'm f*cked :(
• 1764[15:59:13] <babilen> mahafyi: And how do you test if it has been added?
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• 1766[15:59:34] <mahafyi> PATH="$PATH:/my/new/path-to and then EXPORT PATH
• 1767[15:59:35] <darxmurf> gpunk: for the moment I'm mounting SMB share and rsnapshot them but with the weird missing folders issue when mounting them using smb2 or 3, I'm looking for something more clean
• 1768[15:59:44] <babilen> litb: Which version do you need? 3.3.4-1 is in stretch
• 1769[15:59:56] <mahafyi> it works for my user, but not when i am root
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• 1771[16:00:06] <mahafyi> echo $PATH
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• 1773[16:00:20] <litb> i don't know whether it was fixed in later versions.. or whether the error is even in ccache. perhaps it uses the output of gcc preprocessor and the bug is in there?
• 1774[16:00:39] <gpunk> darxmurf hmmm, can you put an ftp server on the windows ?
• 1775[16:00:49] <litb> perhaps it lets gcc dump those strings and gcc decides to put a literal \n at newlines
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• 1777[16:00:53] <babilen> litb: I have no idea, but maybe trying a stretch box would allow you to test that hypothesis?
• 1778[16:00:54] <klys> gpunk, perhaps with cygwin
• 1779[16:00:59] <mahafyi> babilen : it is perl6 , and when it works (it does for users, just not for root) , i can see it in echo $PATH , and of course perl6 my-program.p6 works
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• 1781[16:01:15] <gpunk> there are native windows ftp servers ...
• 1782[16:01:18] <litb> can i install the stretch version in my jessie system?
• 1783[16:01:22] <babilen> mahafyi: So you login as root?
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• 1789[16:01:43] <babilen> litb: Nope, that wouldn't be advisable .. I'd just provision a new stretch system
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• 1791[16:01:50] <mahafyi> root login is not permitted, but i can do sudo perl6 my-prohram.p6 , or first a sudo su
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• 1793[16:02:02] <babilen> mahafyi: So this is about sudo, rather than root?
• 1794[16:02:04] <mahafyi> when i do , then perl6 is not in the path
• 1795[16:02:09] <litb> oh when i update ccache it will recompile all of this codebase :( this will take at least half a day
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• 1799[16:02:15] <mahafyi> babilen : it could be, i am not sure
• 1800[16:02:17] <babilen> dpkg: sudo path
• 1801[16:02:17] <dpkg> As of sudo version 1.8.2 (Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases), sudo does not include /usr/sbin and /sbin in the PATH. You must set secure_path in /etc/sudoers (as prompted by dpkg during the upgrade); see Debian bug #639841: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
• 1802[16:02:18] <darxmurf> gpunk: hmm it could be an idea. But I'm wondering why there is no life on the cifs-utils bug report page about this vers 2 and 3 issue :-/
• 1803[16:02:35] <mahafyi> babilen ; thank you
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• 1806[16:03:06] <babilen> mahafyi: That's why I asked how you test .. you didn't mention sudo so far, hence my question :)
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• 1809[16:03:34] <mahafyi> babilen ; thanks, root and sudo i treated as same in my mind
• 1810[16:03:42] <babilen> aye
• 1811[16:03:55] <babilen> No worries (I suspected you might, but wanted to make sure)
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• 1814[16:06:07] <babilen> mahafyi: You could also login as root with "sudo -i" and test that
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• 1816[16:07:34] <mahafyi> babilen : works good, i did sudo su and then visudo and added path to the existing default
• 1817[16:07:40] <babilen> Perfect :)
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• 1820[16:09:04] <babilen> Please note that this holds true for all commands executed with sudo. You might want to consider altering your program(s) to take your "non-standard" path into account. Alternatively "install" those commands to /usr/local/bin (The "stow" tool might come in handy if you want to do that)
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• 1825[16:10:16] <mahafyi> babilen : i will read up on this, thanks
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• 1827[16:10:34] <babilen> dpkg: tell mahafyi -about stow usage
• 1828[16:10:53] <babilen> mahafyi: Given that /usr/local/bin is already in your PATH
• 1829[16:11:15] <Darkhunter> Hello people. I have issues with amavis + spamassassin + sieve. When I add to postfix master.cf amavis then it works and checks spam/viruses, but doesn't redirect spams to junk mailbox. When I add directly spamassassin in master.cf then it works.
• 1830[16:11:16] <mahafyi> babilen : ty, good learning for me!
• 1831[16:11:34] <babilen> mahafyi: Lovely .. Have a good day and feel free to ask again if you need further information
• 1832[16:11:47] <Darkhunter> I am probably missing something to trigger spamassassin + sieve from amavis.
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• 1838[16:16:29] <tw> Darkhunter: does amavis set the spam headers?
• 1839[16:16:43] <tw> X-Spam-Status etc.
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• 1841[16:17:12] <hgabor84_> Anyone please? what is the problem if I always get black screen with blinking cursor top left when system go idle?
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• 1845[16:18:26] <Darkhunter> tw: Only got this: $sa_spam_subject_tag = '***SPAM*** ';
• 1846[16:18:27] <hgabor84_> Usually Linux systems go to login lock screen at this point, but Xfce stuck in blank screen with blinking cursor on top left.
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• 1849[16:19:10] <hgabor84_> I tried to find the answer on #xfce too, but noone knows.
• 1850[16:19:30] <tw> Darkhunter: I mean in the raw email headers. It should be adding a number of them when it goes through amavis.
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• 1854[16:19:50] <Darkhunter> tw: Changing from bounce to pass to see the results.
• 1855[16:20:52] <simpledat> Hi how do I install the openresolv package?
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• 1858[16:21:13] <Darkhunter> tw: Okay it was fixed by it.
• 1859[16:21:33] <Darkhunter> tw: Amavis rules override spamassassin rules...But I still don't see Junk mailbox anywhere even when it was sent to it.
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• 1861[16:21:55] <klys> hgabor84_, what is your graphics hardware?
• 1862[16:22:01] <_NiC> Any suggestions to kernel arguments I can pass when I PXE boot into the 8.10 netboot, and after selecting "Install" everything goes black?
• 1863[16:22:41] <hgabor84_> klys -> Nvidia GTX 750 Ti
• 1864[16:22:52] <_NiC> I tried nomodeset without success
• 1865[16:23:00] <klys> hgabor84_ are you using nouveau or nvidia?
• 1866[16:23:01] <tw> Darkhunter: might want to check your logs to see what it's actually doing with the message
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• 1868[16:23:42] <Darkhunter> tw: zGpHDksuOVrnGgAAUrYOdw: sieve: msgid=<>: stored mail into mailbox 'Junk'
• 1869[16:23:48] <hgabor84_> nvidia from debian replaced-url
• 1870[16:23:51] <Darkhunter> tw: I can list it in doveadm
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• 1874[16:23:57] <hgabor84_> official webpage.
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• 1877[16:24:21] <klys> hgabor84_, can you ssh in and sudo chvt 1
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• 1880[16:24:38] <hgabor84_> Version 375.66
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• 1882[16:24:52] <hgabor84_> from another computer?
• 1883[16:24:56] <klys> yes
• 1884[16:25:03] <hgabor84_> what is this do?
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• 1886[16:25:25] <klys> hgabor84_, it should get you out of Xorg onto a tty
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• 1889[16:25:50] <hgabor84_> and what to do after?
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• 1891[16:26:04] <klys> hgabor84_, test your keyboard
• 1892[16:26:15] <tw> Darkhunter: I've got nothing =/ I thought it might be an issue with amavis, but if it's getting to sieve in the LDA, I'm not sure why it'd get lost.
• 1893[16:26:29] <litb> on coliru online compiler, ccache behaves correctly
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• 1897[16:26:43] <hgabor84_> ok
• 1898[16:27:07] <hgabor84_> and what if it works?
• 1899[16:27:08] <Darkhunter> tw: Might be thunderbird issue
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• 1902[16:27:37] <Darkhunter> tw: Okay fixed too...Thanks sir!
• 1903[16:27:39] <klys> hgabor84_, if the keyboard works on a tty, switch back to Xorg
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• 1905[16:27:55] <hgabor84_> so I restart the X
• 1906[16:28:12] <klys> hgabor84_, it might still be running. can you tell?
• 1907[16:28:28] <hgabor84_> yes
• 1908[16:28:51] <hgabor84_> I will try it later. Is this a bug?
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• 1910[16:29:15] <klys> hgabor84_, it's difficult to say at this point.
• 1911[16:29:20] <hgabor84_> ok
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• 1916[16:30:02] <hgabor84_> on the same computer with Linux Mint Xfce I didn't get the same problem.
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• 1918[16:30:13] <hgabor84_> With the same driver.
• 1919[16:30:43] <hgabor84_> I don't know why it is in Debian Xfce. :(
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• 1923[16:32:29] <hgabor84_> Thanks anyway. I'll be here later.
• 1924[16:32:32] <hgabor84_> Bye.
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• 1985[16:53:09] <petn-randall> Hi, I'm running Firefox ESR 52 on Debian stable, and on most web pages (google, news sites, etc.) I see constant high CPU usage, even if the page is doing nothing according to the web developer tools. I straced the process, and get the following: replaced-url
• 1986[16:53:15] <petn-randall> How should I further debug this?
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• 2002[16:58:22] <jelly> petn-randall: only one tab open?
• 2003[16:58:32] <Tarrasquero> petn-randall: no coin
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• 2005[16:58:55] <petn-randall> jelly: A single tab of google search seems to be enough. "about:config" doesn't trigger it.
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• 2009[16:59:17] <supercynic> i solved my problem: the package is called libmagickwand-dev
• 2010[16:59:23] <petn-randall> It also has to be the active tab to trigger high CPU usage and those timeouts in the strace.
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• 2014[17:00:25] <petn-randall> I also have all extensions disabled, no change.
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• 2027[17:05:27] <jelly> petn-randall: does it happen with a fresh profile as well? quit and firefox --ProfileManager
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• 2030[17:06:22] <petn-randall> jelly: Just tried that, yes. A single tab, just replaced-url
• 2031[17:06:28] <tw> petn-randall: what's fd 12?
• 2032[17:06:44] <petn-randall> tw: No idea, how would I check that?
• 2033[17:06:44] <tw> err 13.
• 2034[17:06:57] <tw> proc/<pid>/fd or lsof
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• 2036[17:07:20] <tw> lsof -p pid -n
• 2037[17:07:28] <jelly> lsof -np pid
• 2038[17:07:40] <jelly> ninjad!
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• 2040[17:08:06] <petn-randall> Oh, right.
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• 2043[17:08:45] <petn-randall> replaced-url
• 2044[17:09:09] <petn-randall> poll([{fd=12, events=POLLIN}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN}, {fd=23, events=POLLIN}, {fd=24, events=POLLIN}], 4, 0) = 0 (Timeout)
• 2045[17:09:19] <petn-randall> So fd 12,13,23,24 are mentioned.
• 2046[17:09:28] <jhutchins> petn-randall: That's a known issue with Firefox, they made a significant change to address it in release 57.
• 2047[17:09:54] <jhutchins> petn-randall: High CPU & Memory usage.
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• 2056[17:12:17] <petn-randall> jhutchins: I have the feeling that it must be something recent in ESR, because there is also quite some input lag.
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• 2062[17:14:20] <jhutchins> petn-randall: Seems like it's an accumulation of problems. I was seeing a core2duo near 50% on both cores with Firefox idle. Switched to chrome.
• 2063[17:14:43] <tw> spinning on the event loop like that with a timeout of 0 is pretty bizarre. I'd expect some sleep/yield in there.
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• 2066[17:15:10] <jelly> petn-randall: if you have NoScript, can you enable just that and retry?
• 2067[17:15:47] <jhutchins> I really doubt you're going to be able to tweak 52 into good behavior.
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• 2069[17:15:53] <tw> The problem is at a much lower level than that.
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• 2071[17:15:58] <jelly> I don't see that on my Firefox ESR 52.5.2 (but Mozilla's build)
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• 2073[17:16:07] <jelly> 6710 jelly 20 0 1543412 392240 61604 S 3.0 3.3 6:51.61 firefox
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• 2078[17:17:18] <petn-randall> No change on installing noscript.
• 2079[17:17:28] <jelly> two windows, ~110 tabs, after opening google.com cpu usage spikes for a bit and goes back to 1-5%
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• 2081[17:18:03] <petn-randall> jelly: Up-to-date stretch?
• 2082[17:18:04] <jelly> ,v firefox
• 2083[17:18:06] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 57.0.1-1; experimental: 58.0~b4-1
• 2084[17:18:07] <jelly> yes.
• 2085[17:18:15] <jelly> ,v firefox-esr
• 2086[17:18:16] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.5.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.5.2esr-1
• 2087[17:18:40] <jelly> amusing, no 52.5.2 in stretch yet
• 2088[17:18:50] <jelly> oh, there it is.
• 2089[17:19:15] <petn-randall> No idea what is causing this.
• 2090[17:19:15] <tw> mine works okay. There are huge spikes in cpu from any activity though, even just switching focus.
• 2091[17:19:22] <jelly> lemme try Debian's build.
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• 2093[17:19:34] <jelly> however, mine's i386
• 2094[17:19:55] <petn-randall> I don't mind CPU usage on activity. However idle tabs should be using 20-30% CPU, even without JS.
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• 2096[17:20:36] <tw> I mean it goes up to 90% and stays there for 3-5 seconds after tab/shift-tab
• 2097[17:20:43] <tw> But yes, it should not be doing what you're seeing.
• 2098[17:21:10] <petn-randall> It tends to be even more with more tabs, I notice 70-100% on a single CPUs sometimes.
• 2099[17:21:18] <jelly> 22041 jelly 20 0 1171344 396584 96668 S 0.7 3.3 0:21.33 firefox.real # debian's i386 build seems fine as well
• 2100[17:21:20] <petn-randall> (on an idle tab, that is)
• 2101[17:22:15] <petn-randall> Let me downgrade it for research purposes.
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• 2103[17:22:35] <jelly> petn-randall: if you have multiarch, can you try firefox-esr:i386 ?
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• 2105[17:22:50] <petn-randall> Will do that next, zes.
• 2106[17:22:52] <petn-randall> yes.
• 2107[17:23:04] <jelly> zes is fine too.
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• 2110[17:23:21] <jelly> for qwertz people only.
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• 2112[17:23:37] <petn-randall> heh, I'm switching back and forth between en_US and de_DE keyboard.
• 2113[17:23:45] <jelly> I'll try :amd64 for fun
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• 2115[17:24:23] <makemoremoney> Is it possible to mount a filesystem and copy it onto a USB using only one command?
• 2116[17:24:42] <nkuttler> makemoremoney: why do you need that?
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• 2118[17:25:03] <petn-randall> Same issue in 52.5.0
• 2119[17:25:12] <jelly> makemoremoney: one command line, yes. One command, no, only if you code up one that does precisely that.
• 2120[17:25:38] <makemoremoney> Would it work using mount with dd?
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• 2126[17:27:42] <jelly> makemoremoney: what's your goal? Your question does not make a lot of sense.
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• 2128[17:28:30] <jelly> "why do you want to do that"
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• 2130[17:28:58] <makemoremoney> So that I can browse the filesystem on another computer
• 2131[17:29:13] <jelly> petn-randall: now on firefox-esr:amd64, still not seeing anything like your symptoms
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• 2135[17:30:36] <jelly> makemoremoney: which OS does the other computer use? You could use sshfs and keep it mounted in only one place? What's the purpose of doing it with "one command" specifically?
• 2136[17:30:36] <petn-randall> jelly: A sec, I'll try i386.
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• 2138[17:31:50] <makemoremoney> sshfs would not work, as the computer is not on my network and I am not able to remotely ssh into it
• 2139[17:32:09] <jelly> makemoremoney: if you're asking "can I safely make a copy of a filesystem that is mounted" the answer would be "the copy will be consistent ONLY if it's mounted read-only"
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• 2146[17:34:23] <jelly> petn-randall: I guess my mix of extensions either works around your bug, or something else in your env. is different enough to trigger firefox into misbehaving
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• 2148[17:34:53] <petn-randall> jelly: On i386 I get a constant 70-75% CPU usage, so an even higher load.
• 2149[17:34:57] <jelly> bug closed, CAN'T REPRODUCE
• 2150[17:35:02] <jelly> next!
• 2151[17:35:21] <jelly> petn-randall: do... do you have an amd cpu? :-)
• 2152[17:35:53] <petn-randall> jelly: Lenovo Thinkpad T430s, so Intel CPU/GPU in there.
• 2153[17:36:04] <petn-randall> Got the same issue on a x230, too.
• 2154[17:36:38] <petn-randall> The CPU load is a bit lower with _no_ extensions enabled, but still > 20%.
• 2155[17:36:52] <petn-randall> I wouldn't care if it wasn't for my battery life.
• 2156[17:37:02] <jelly> that's ivy bridge, so same gen. as my workstation here
• 2157[17:37:30] <jelly> which DE? A compositor or none?
• 2158[17:37:52] <petn-randall> xfce, lemme check the compositor.
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• 2161[17:38:48] <petn-randall> display compositing is enable in windows manager tweaks -> compositor
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• 2163[17:39:08] <jelly> disable it just for fun
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• 2165[17:39:29] <petn-randall> Only other thing I can think of is that I have a X11 config snippet to use SNA.
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• 2167[17:39:39] <jelly> SNA is default these days innit
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• 2169[17:39:56] <jelly> not sure if it's default for that old intel gpus.
• 2170[17:39:57] <petn-randall> Not sure, I upgraded this machine several times now.
• 2171[17:40:06] <petn-randall> s/times/releases/
• 2172[17:40:23] <petn-randall> Is the compositing setting instant or do I need to restart my session?
• 2173[17:41:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> petn-randall, I would have temporarily disabled javascript instead of using noscript (it's a setting buried somewhere in the config) I am not sure noscript can actually do the same
• 2174[17:41:31] <jelly> petn-randall: it's instant
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• 2180[17:41:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> but that it's not shown in the web analytics kind of speaks against javascript
• 2181[17:42:02] <petn-randall> disabling compositing didn't change anything.
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• 2185[17:42:50] <jelly> petn-randall: and since xfce uses Render for its own compositing, moving and redrawing windows will be a LOT faster now (you may not notice if they were fast enough already)
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• 2187[17:43:11] <jelly> petn-randall: hmph. quit and restart firefox?
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• 2190[17:43:43] <petn-randall> Did that. Next thing is checking without my X11 config snippet. Brb.
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• 2198[17:47:00] <petn-randall> Hmpf, still high CPU usage.
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• 2200[17:48:17] <jelly> petn-randall: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
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• 2202[17:48:38] <petn-randall> "powersave"
• 2203[17:48:48] <jelly> switch it back to performance
• 2204[17:49:17] <petn-randall> Hmmm ...
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• 2206[17:50:34] <jelly> echo performance | sudo tee -a /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
• 2207[17:50:38] * jelly hides
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• 2209[17:51:32] <jelly> oops, wrong file
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• 2211[17:51:44] <petn-randall> hehe :)
• 2212[17:51:50] <petn-randall> and also missing -n
• 2213[17:52:01] <petn-randall> Same thing, CPU is around 60-70%.
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• 2215[17:53:19] <petn-randall> On a completely fresh profile with only noscript it's around 20-30%, as it's been through all the tests.
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• 2217[17:53:39] <jelly> I'd try Mozilla's build next
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• 2220[17:54:36] <jelly> replaced-url
• 2221[17:54:49] <jelly> probably won't make a difference
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• 2234[17:57:59] <petn-randall> So FF ESR 52 from upstream shows the same problem :(
• 2235[17:58:09] <petn-randall> Damn :(
• 2236[17:58:16] <jelly> thought so
• 2237[17:58:27] <petn-randall> I remember this wasn't an issue with ESR 45.
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• 2239[17:58:44] <petn-randall> Might even have been a point release of 52 that introduced this issue.
• 2240[17:58:47] <jelly> can you go back to say 52.1 ?
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• 2246[18:00:41] <jelly> bisecting something that takes more than an hour to build must be FUN
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• 2248[18:01:18] <petn-randall> I'm checking so I can grab it from snapshots.d.o.
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• 2255[18:02:38] <jelly> since it happens on their own build it might be happening for other people as well so you might have luck in upstream's bugzilla or whatever they use
• 2256[18:02:44] <petn-randall> 52.2 is apparently the oldest I can get for stretch, before that it was 45.9.
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• 2258[18:03:28] <jelly> lemme see if I have old tarballs
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• 2262[18:05:42] <jelly> nope, either older or newer. You want packages/firefox-17.0.3esr.tar.bz2 tho?
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• 2265[18:06:41] <jelly> petn-randall: however, replaced-url
• 2266[18:06:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> the problem with that is… I think I've seen/heard of at least two other issues with firefox and high cpu load
• 2267[18:07:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> so finding this one might be a little bit hard
• 2268[18:07:56] <petn-randall> I'll try the ones available via snapshots.d.o, at least I know that with one of the previous version this issue was non-existent.
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• 2271[18:08:32] <jelly> yeah, but that's not much help if said previous version was a 45esr
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• 2273[18:08:51] <petn-randall> Indeed, but I'd at least know I'm not making it up in my mind ... :)
• 2274[18:09:07] <jelly> otoh it might have appeared anywhere during 52 release cycle
• 2275[18:09:10] <jelly> :-)
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• 2282[18:12:00] <jelly> I _think_ I've seen similar behaviour somewhere, but either it's not on this system, or I've done something to make it disappear
• 2283[18:12:00] <petn-randall> Nope, also there in 45 ...
• 2284[18:12:22] <jelly> petn-randall: which kernel are you on right now?
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• 2286[18:12:28] <petn-randall> But it *only* is a problem if certain URIs are the active tab. "about:config" is always fine.
• 2287[18:12:37] <petn-randall> 4.9.0-4
• 2288[18:12:51] <jelly> can you boot 3.16 if you still have it?
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• 2290[18:13:33] <jelly> I have a suspicion this might not be entirely firefox' fault
• 2291[18:13:50] <petn-randall> Let me grab it from oldstable. Does it even work with systemd?
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• 2293[18:14:05] <jelly> yes. We had systemd in jessie as well!
• 2294[18:14:22] <petn-randall> Yeah, but IIRC something didn't work there. cgroups?
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• 2296[18:14:48] <jelly> it had cgroups but maybe they work differently
• 2297[18:15:03] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 2298[18:15:04] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-1-686-pae (4.14.2-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
• 2299[18:15:05] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
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• 2303[18:17:09] <petn-randall> brb, checking out the jessie kernel.
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• 2307[18:19:30] <petn-randall> 3.16 kernel didn't change anything.
• 2308[18:19:46] <petn-randall> I guess I'll either go testing or install FF57 from upstream, then.
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• 2310[18:20:11] <petn-randall> Weird though that I can reproduce on two machines, but you two can't. %-)
• 2311[18:22:12] <jelly> if you were using Gnome I'd blame that, but...
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• 2318[18:24:59] <jelly> petn-randall: does firefox 45.9 from grml.org 2017.05 64bit also misbehave?
• 2319[18:25:20] <jelly> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 2320[18:26:01] <jelly> I can try the live image on my sandybridge T420s
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• 2322[18:26:43] <petn-randall> jelly: nope, xfce on both machines.
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• 2324[18:27:27] <petn-randall> I'll debug further when I'm back home, gotta get a few things done here at work.
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• 2359[18:43:41] <daniel331> hi all. in Suse, they say partition information is recorded in the file SuSE: /var/lib/YaST/install.inf. Is there a similar location in debian where I could find partition information?
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• 2362[18:44:44] <RoyK> daniel331: not that I know of
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• 2364[18:44:59] <RoyK> daniel331: have you overwritten your partition table somehow?
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• 2367[18:46:08] <somiaj> daniel331: what info are you actually looking for?
• 2368[18:46:11] <jelly> daniel331: debian installer does not save the choices user made at installation time, sadly
• 2369[18:46:26] <jelly> unlike anaconda or I guess whatever suse uses
• 2370[18:46:34] <daniel331> RoyK: Kind of, we think a SAN controller crashed at the data centre, corrupting our VPS' partition table. So we have a ddrec-type multiple-partition drive image, and a lot of angry users :-( :-( :-(
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• 2373[18:47:24] <daniel331> We have a bunch of recovered files from photorec but without a directory structure they're not worth the bytes they were rescued onto. I thought trying to figure out the original partition table might be a sensible way to start...
• 2374[18:47:32] <jelly> daniel331: use gpart to try and guess the previous partitioning
• 2375[18:47:42] <RoyK> daniel331: ouch - I'd recommend using lvm instead of partitions next time - perhaps it's even easier to backup too
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• 2379[18:48:02] <RoyK> daniel331: do you have something as oldtimish and boring as backup?
• 2380[18:48:04] <daniel331> jelly: One step ahead of you there, unfortunately gpart shows a bunch of "0mb" partitions. I was able to mount something using an offset, but it looks more like a data ghost than a partition..
• 2381[18:48:23] <jelly> daniel331: how large the LUN>
• 2382[18:48:25] <daniel331> RoyK: Hah. What are we, miracle-workers? ;-)
• 2383[18:48:25] <jelly> ?
• 2384[18:48:35] <daniel331> jelly: LUN?
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• 2386[18:49:00] <jelly> daniel331: your disk. the piece of disk exported from a SAN controller is called a LUN.
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• 2388[18:49:23] <daniel331> Ah. Its 63-ish GBs.
• 2389[18:49:26] <RoyK> daniel331: I wonder how much I'd earn a year if I got $10 per answer on IRC and other network places from people that suddenly found they have no backup…
• 2390[18:49:59] <daniel331> RoyK. I blame organizational entropy.
• 2391[18:50:05] <jelly> daniel331: that little? You can probably search the whole disk for fs signatures, then
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• 2393[18:50:57] <daniel331> jelly: Have been trying using testdisk but it hasnt been able to recognize any files within the partitions it claimed to have found, and it wont write the guessed partition table as a result I think
• 2394[18:51:20] <daniel331> (Its also possible I'm suffering from operator error in using these tools of course)
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• 2396[18:51:26] <RoyK> daniel331: out of interest, what sort of SAN system is this?
• 2397[18:51:43] <daniel331> RoyK: We don't know, our data centre has been pretty taciturn about their exact setup or what went wrong
• 2398[18:52:01] <daniel331> We understand the outage affected hundreds of users and theyre only a small company so theyve had their hands full but still
• 2399[18:52:04] <RoyK> wonderful
• 2400[18:52:09] <daniel331> Yep :-(
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• 2402[18:52:34] <RoyK> I guess paying for a decent backup will help a bit next time, then
• 2403[18:52:49] <daniel331> I dont think there will be a next time after this for us
• 2404[18:52:51] * RoyK pours salt into the wounds
• 2405[18:52:54] <daniel331> hahaha
• 2406[18:52:55] <jelly> so this 63GB piece of disk might not even contains your data or anyone's data at all?
• 2407[18:53:18] <daniel331> well we are pretty sure they've sent us our VPS' disk
• 2408[18:53:26] <daniel331> * image
• 2409[18:53:49] <daniel331> oh no we know they did because we were able to run photorec on it
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• 2411[18:54:17] <daniel331> which gave us 40GBs of files, roughly what we expected to find
• 2412[18:54:34] <jelly> it's not likely you had more than 1-2 partitions on it anyway
• 2413[18:54:41] <RoyK> daniel331: I don't hink I have recovered from a broken partition table on linux for some years, but have you read this? replaced-url
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• 2416[18:55:10] <daniel331> jelly: it seems that way
• 2417[18:55:14] <jelly> daniel331: can you provision a new VM on the same platform and see how it looks?
• 2418[18:55:24] <jelly> what* it looks like*?
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• 2420[18:55:42] <jelly> I'm assuming it was a VM.
• 2421[18:55:55] <daniel331> jelly: It was a VM
• 2422[18:56:08] <daniel331> However it was Debian squeeze
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• 2424[18:56:42] <RoyK> daniel331: shouldn't matter - probably just ext4 anyway
• 2425[18:56:47] <daniel331> We're not able to reprovision a squeeze server, they might be able to or they might not but probably not until the new year
• 2426[18:56:57] <jelly> ext4 on squeeze is unlikely
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• 2428[18:57:05] <daniel331> yeah we think it was ext3
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• 2430[18:57:18] <jelly> pretty much the same signature anyway
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• 2433[18:57:42] <daniel331> thats good to know
• 2434[18:57:42] <RoyK> ext4 is in squeeze replaced-url
• 2435[18:57:44] <jelly> daniel331: can you see a swap signature on sector offset 63?
• 2436[18:58:15] <jelly> RoyK: and one would be insane to default to it on 2.6.32 kernel. Debian didn't, IIRC.
• 2437[18:58:35] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using LUKS on LVM on Debian Stretch. When I enter password to decrypt swap partition, the password is not echoed but then when I enter password to decrypt /home, my password gets echoed to screen as star(*) characters. I would like to disable echoing that. Here is the screenshot replaced-url
• 2438[18:58:36] <daniel331> jelly for some reason the swap partition seemed to be on sector 33721152 so it may not have been a typical setup. regardless, the swap is the only partition every tool can consistently manage to find...
• 2439[18:58:57] <daniel331> 33721152 is roughly in the middle of the disk apparently
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• 2443[18:59:13] <daniel331> so perhaps it was expanded after its initial set up
• 2444[18:59:18] <jelly> daniel331: oh, then it might actually be a LVM setup
• 2445[18:59:30] <daniel331> very possible
• 2446[18:59:44] <daniel331> does that make it easier?
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• 2448[18:59:54] <jelly> not for me!
• 2449[18:59:59] <daniel331> hehehe
• 2450[19:00:13] <daniel331> I think the data centre tech said something about it being LVM
• 2451[19:00:19] <RoyK> daniel331: do you have a dump of the data somewhere?
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• 2453[19:00:30] <jelly> all they have is a dump, it seems :-)
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• 2455[19:00:44] <RoyK> daniel331: something off ddrescue or something
• 2456[19:00:46] <daniel331> RoyK: We dont have an FS backups but we do have 40GBs of files recovered by photorec
• 2457[19:01:08] <daniel331> (in addition to the LUN disk image)
• 2458[19:01:12] <jelly> RoyK: they have a 63GB-sized whole disk image
• 2459[19:01:13] <RoyK> daniel331: I was wondering more about a binary copy of the LUN
• 2460[19:01:16] <RoyK> yes, that
• 2461[19:01:22] <daniel331> yes, we have that
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• 2464[19:01:51] <RoyK> the photorec files are really last way out, since they're all a mess, structurally
• 2465[19:01:56] <daniel331> yep
• 2466[19:02:10] <rootkea> Later I found out (thanks to debian-users ML) that it's systemd-ask-password which asks password to decrypt /home. May be I can change some of its conf?
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• 2470[19:02:27] <jelly> daniel331: assuming LVM, and assuming MBR partition table, is there anything on offsets 63s or 2048s?
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• 2474[19:03:06] <jelly> squeeze would have been too old fdisk to use 2048s, but who knows what they used to format.
• 2475[19:03:46] <daniel331> jelly: nothing I can mount using an offset and the mount command, no. nor parted's rescue command. is there a better way to find out?
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• 2477[19:04:11] <jelly> daniel331: more like "file -s " starting with that offset
• 2478[19:04:14] <daniel331> gotcha
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• 2485[19:05:11] <RoyK> daniel331: see pm
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• 2487[19:05:30] <jelly> rootkea: I see the same behaviour with my encrypted / and /data, the first one is old-style prompt without echo, second one is ***
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• 2490[19:06:23] <jelly> rootkea: I guess they use completely different scripts for some reason.
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• 2494[19:07:50] <rootkea> jelly, a user on ML suggested that swap partition is decrypted using cryptseup and then kernel is loaded and thus further decryption is handled by systemd.
• 2495[19:08:04] <rootkea> More specifically systemd-ask-password
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• 2497[19:08:50] <rootkea> Interestingly systemd-ask-password has "--echo" flag to turn off echoing user input!
• 2498[19:08:54] <jelly> daniel331: dd if=fubar.bin skip=63 bs=512 count=2048 | file - or something like that
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• 2502[19:09:57] <rootkea> BTW is it just me who thinks printing password as stars is totally unaligned with traditional UNIX behavior?
• 2503[19:10:11] <rootkea> And we are talking about LUKS here!
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• 2505[19:11:06] <jelly> we're talking about scripts inside initramfs.
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• 2508[19:12:37] <daniel331> thanks jelly, thats a useful trick
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• 2512[19:13:05] <jelly> sure, but did is say aything other than "data"
• 2513[19:13:07] <rootkea> jelly, scripts inside initramfs decrypt the swap but then systemd takes over
• 2514[19:13:27] <rootkea> (I think from the screenshot)
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• 2516[19:13:54] <daniel331> jelly: no, it just said "/dev/stdin: data"
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• 2518[19:14:09] <daniel331> so i guess its not there then
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• 2520[19:14:21] <rootkea> BTW to a Debian user it's neither systemd nor initramfs scripts. It's Debian!
• 2521[19:14:34] <jelly> rootkea: I thought you'd get /bin/init to be systemd right from the start, but I did not check.
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• 2523[19:15:09] <jelly> daniel331: well, crap. What about offset 32 or 64 or 2048? :-)
• 2524[19:17:30] <rootkea> Okay so what do you suggest? Should I open a bug report against systemd? Or is there anything that can be done at user end like tweaking conf?
• 2525[19:17:39] <jelly> daniel331: also, if you found swap on 33721152s, you can read what its size is, and look for further clues immediately after that
• 2526[19:17:57] <jelly> (modulo some alignment)
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• 2528[19:19:08] <nobody> howdy
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• 2540[19:25:07] <jelly> daniel331: if you can find lvm configuration backups somewhere in between those 40GB recovered files, that would be useful
• 2541[19:25:27] <daniel331> jelly: yes, its 2048 MBytes. However I wasnt able to find anything useful immediately after that :-(
• 2542[19:25:49] <daniel331> jelly: Could the LVM configuration backups be erroneously reported as 0MB partitions by gpart?
• 2543[19:26:09] <jelly> no, these would be plain text files.
• 2544[19:26:41] <daniel331> I can look in the photorec files for them. Can you give me an example of one so I have a search string?
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• 2548[19:27:42] <jelly> daniel331: replaced-url
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• 2562[19:36:40] <daniel331> thanks jelly. I'll get back to you once my full text search thru 40GBs of photorec'd files finishes for something that looks like an LVM config backup ;-)
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• 2565[19:38:13] <jelly> daniel331: those are tab indented not space, fwiw
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• 2573[19:42:45] <dixie7z_> someone got steam running on debian 9? it says Running Steam on debian 9 64-bit STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically....
• 2574[19:42:50] <dixie7z_> but nothing happens
• 2575[19:42:55] <dixie7z_> it doesn't open
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• 2577[19:43:50] <dixie7z_> i had problems with propertary nvidia drivers at first... but then after some fixes it worked... now it doesn't... i use propertary drivers for mining altcoins so i dont know what to do if thats the problem
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• 2582[19:45:52] <jandrusk> Anyone know of a command line Debian package that can download torrents via magnet links?
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• 2585[19:46:19] <jelly> rtorrent, but it's curses more than just cli
• 2586[19:46:21] <greycat> Command line? No. Terminal? Yes.
• 2587[19:46:29] <greycat> I use rtorrent inside screen.
• 2588[19:46:43] <jandrusk> thanks, I'll give rtorrent a try.
• 2589[19:46:44] <jelly> many torrent clients have an api nowadays
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• 2619[20:10:19] <dixie7z_> this is so annoying... i ALWAYS have problems with linux. it's not my fault... i google everything but one tiny litle problem always remain and i can't fix it. this time Steam... :( so i bought linux games to play on debian... now steam doesn't work... great... happy holidays for me... a had tons of other problems over years of my linux user experience...
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• 2621[20:10:52] <mtn> "it's not my fault" :)
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• 2624[20:11:41] <dixie7z_> mtn, the solution is not in google.... and no one on irc knows how to fix it
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• 2628[20:13:10] <greycat> !steam
• 2629[20:13:10] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
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• 2633[20:14:26] <dixie7z_> will try on steamlug thanks
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• 2646[20:24:50] <tsukuyomi> hi
• 2647[20:25:01] <tsukuyomi> how can I install the flash player in chromium? I tried installing freshplayer with the package manager in debian but it only installed it for firefox..
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• 2678[20:41:41] <yang> Which is the rescue LIVE image with LVM, I used LIVE-CD with LXDE, but it has no "lvm" package...I need to remount my partition on the HDD whioch is LVM + LUKS
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• 2680[20:42:58] <jelly> yang: grml.org is nice
• 2681[20:43:09] <jelly> yang: and the package is called lvm2 for some reason
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• 2688[20:44:50] <n4dir> last time i checked grml was really old.
• 2689[20:44:54] <evilbug> i have ~/bin in my path but for some reason it can't find an executable that is in there. why?
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• 2691[20:45:02] <greycat> +x permissions?
• 2692[20:45:13] <evilbug> check.
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• 2695[20:45:56] <evilbug> it worked fine when it was in /usr/local/bin but now no :/
• 2696[20:46:03] <greycat> Then you need to give more details. echo "$PATH" and give the name of the program and do an ls -ld bin/the_program and head -1 bin/the_program if it is a script...
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• 2700[20:47:27] <n4dir> besides zsh comes with zsh as the shell, which may add an extra layer of confusion. I would say refracta, aptosid/siduction come with lvm (but wouldn't bet)
• 2701[20:47:37] <n4dir> ups: grml comes with zsh. sorry
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• 2704[20:48:07] <evilbug> greycat: cool, i'll try that. thanks.
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• 2708[20:48:27] <tsukuyomi> how can I install the flash player in chromium? I tried installing freshplayer with the package manager in debian but it only installed it for firefox..
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• 2713[20:51:42] <nick_obnwlrstd> hi
• 2714[20:51:49] <nick_obnwlrstd> what is the default compose key in debian?
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• 2718[20:53:34] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using LUKS on LVM. Whenever I start my system I see a warning as "WARNING: Failed t connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning." just after initramfs gets loaded. Here's the screenshot replaced-url
• 2719[20:53:38] <greycat> I'm not aware of one. Unelss GNOME has some default of its own. I don't use GNOME or KDE or any other DE.
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• 2721[20:53:48] <rootkea> Though system starts successfully after I enter passwords to decrypt my LUKS partitions I would like to know whether there's something which can be done to address the warning?
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• 2732[20:57:03] <nick_obnwlrstd> what is the default compose key in debian?
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• 2735[20:57:45] <greycat> 6 minutes apart with one answer in between? uh...
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• 2739[20:59:06] <jelly> rootkea: that warning can be safely ignored during initramfs
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• 2742[20:59:52] <rootkea> jelly, Is there something which is not configured properly and thus generating the warning?
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• 2745[21:00:16] <jelly> nick_obnwlrstd: the Compose key, of course. You just need a keyboard that has it
• 2746[21:00:24] <jelly> rootkea: no
• 2747[21:00:46] <jelly> rootkea: lvmetad really isn't running at that time
• 2748[21:00:48] <nick_obnwlrstd> jelly, what do you mean by "keyboard" ?
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• 2750[21:01:16] <jelly> a physical input device with lots of buttons arranged in a two dimensional grid
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• 2752[21:01:28] <rootkea> :D
• 2753[21:01:39] <jelly> A Sun Type 6 keyboard, for example, has a proper Compose key
• 2754[21:02:21] <jelly> if your device does not have it, you will have to map it to some _other_ key
• 2755[21:02:24] <nick_obnwlrstd> i have a standard keyboard of my laptop
• 2756[21:02:28] <nick_obnwlrstd> how?
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• 2758[21:02:46] <greycat> Same way you have always done it. xmodmap
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• 2760[21:03:13] <greycat> On this machine I use: xmodmap -e "keysym Super_L = Multi_key"
• 2761[21:03:23] <eatme> ehat does compose do? ur discussion caught my attention now im googling the kybrd
• 2762[21:03:25] <eatme> :)
• 2763[21:03:29] <jelly> setxkbmap -option compose:menu
• 2764[21:03:34] <jelly> for me
• 2765[21:03:55] <greycat> !compose
• 2766[21:03:55] <dpkg> To enter chars like á ç ß ¿ © ℃ ± ≠ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your right windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ. Ask me about <compose sequences>, use xev (x11-utils package) to find the windows-key keycode if 117 does not match it. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command.
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• 2768[21:04:08] <jelly> Compose on left side? Surely you must be joking
• 2769[21:04:10] <greycat> sadly, this keyboard only has a LEFT windows key, not a right one
• 2770[21:04:35] <eatme> jelly: whats the standard function
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• 2772[21:04:38] <eatme> ? :)
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• 2774[21:04:49] <jelly> eatme: for the Menu key? No idea
• 2775[21:05:02] <eatme> no what does the "compose" means?
• 2776[21:05:08] <eatme> and do :)
• 2777[21:05:14] <jelly> what dpkg said.
• 2778[21:05:19] <greycat> This is what they gave us: replaced-url
• 2779[21:05:31] <eatme> like shift?
• 2780[21:05:55] <jelly> used to enter glyphs you don't have on your keyboard, when followed by a combining sequence
• 2781[21:06:03] <eatme> k thks!
• 2782[21:06:12] <jelly> eg. Compose, then o, then ", gives me a ö
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• 2784[21:06:42] <jelly> or, more useful, Compose, then C, then C, then C, then P, does ☭
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• 2786[21:07:24] <jelly> clearly the comrades from XFree86 have thought of everything
• 2787[21:07:42] <greycat> dpkg, compose sequences =~ s#Compose,#Compose#
• 2788[21:07:43] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 2789[21:08:13] <nick_obnwlrstd> greycat, i did that command
• 2790[21:08:14] <nick_obnwlrstd> xmodmap -e "keysym Super_L = Multi_key"
• 2791[21:08:15] <nick_obnwlrstd> now?
• 2792[21:08:42] <jelly> greycat: what's that between AltGr and Menu
• 2793[21:09:21] <greycat> jelly: that image is *slightly* off from mine. To the right of my space bar is a second Alt key, then a key with "Fn" in a box, then a Menu key, then Ctrl.
• 2794[21:09:33] <jelly> oh Fn
• 2795[21:09:55] <jelly> I wonder which keycode it emits.
• 2796[21:10:14] <greycat> None whatsoever.
• 2797[21:11:13] <greycat> But Fn + F7 for example gives me keycode 174 (keysym 0x1008ff15, XF86AudioStop)
• 2798[21:11:20] <nick_obnwlrstd> so?
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• 2800[21:11:23] <nick_obnwlrstd> xmodmap -e "keysym Super_L = Multi_key"
• 2801[21:11:27] <nick_obnwlrstd> what is the compose key?
• 2802[21:11:31] <greycat> nick_obnwlrstd: that maps Left Windows to Compose
• 2803[21:11:48] <greycat> if you have a Right Windows key and want to use that instead, then it's Super_R
• 2804[21:12:01] <greycat> This is covered on replaced-url
• 2805[21:12:31] <nick_obnwlrstd> no, it does not
• 2806[21:12:42] <nick_obnwlrstd> i need to reboot the system?
• 2807[21:12:45] <greycat> no
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• 2811[21:13:10] <nick_obnwlrstd> i get the same function as before
• 2812[21:13:23] <jelly> man xkeyboard-config shows options that can be set via setxkbmap
• 2813[21:13:25] <lara_> hello! I have a question about Deuterium, am I at the right place?
• 2814[21:13:25] <greycat> Press and release Compose, then press and release a, then press and release '
• 2815[21:13:53] <jelly> and they can be added to XKBOPTIONS in /etc/default/keyboard to be applied at boot
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• 2817[21:14:09] <jelly> (or I guess at starting X to be precise)
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• 2820[21:14:37] <nick_obnwlrstd> ok, now it works
• 2821[21:14:39] <nick_obnwlrstd> thank you
• 2822[21:14:42] <jelly> (search for compose:)
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• 2827[21:16:00] <nick_obnwlrstd> without people on IRC, i suck at all
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• 2851[21:24:27] <buu> Hey
• 2852[21:24:50] <buu> Can I generate debugging symbols for a package that doesn't have a -dbg package in the archive?
• 2853[21:24:59] <buu> And then use them on a core file I already have?
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• 2918[21:58:49] <zautomata> is there an alternative to bcrypt? replaced-url
• 2919[21:58:51] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2922[22:02:18] <ChmEarl> ping klys
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• 2926[22:02:55] <ChmEarl> working on a Xen Nmu build for buster, adding qemu-xen tree from git
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• 2959[22:25:36] <notcool> how do i get debian on arm
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• 2962[22:27:52] <jhutchins> !arm
• 2963[22:27:52] <dpkg> Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. replaced-url
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• 3054[23:21:36] <jehorn> Good day all
• 3055[23:21:59] <daniel331> For anyone following the previous saga involving missing filesystems, we managed to recover the data using testdisk :-) :-) :-)
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• 3057[23:22:15] <daniel331> Follow-up question: does anyone know where I can find a squeeze livecd? (If such a thing even exists?)
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• 3059[23:22:56] <jehorn> I think they are archived. I went looking once.
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• 3061[23:23:41] <jehorn> Im not sure if they are full CD images or just netinst
• 3062[23:23:55] <Mathisen> replaced-url
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• 3065[23:24:16] <daniel331> Mathisen: Thanks very much!
• 3066[23:24:33] <jehorn> Exactly what I meant
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• 3075[23:29:28] <Sina> Using the new debian-installer-netboot-images_20170615+deb9u2, I am not able to install Debian 8, getting an error exactly as described here 2 years ago: replaced-url
• 3076[23:29:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3079[23:30:29] <biosnousb> Hi, i have an old Compaq nx7010 laptop whose bios i want to upgrade. It has an optical drive but its usb ports do not work. I created a bootable freedos cd which included the bios update. I booted up freedos and when i executed the bios exe file, i got "This program cannot be run in DOS mode". I have debian 8 installed on the laptop, how can i proceed?
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• 3082[23:31:22] <buu> biosnousb: some bios executables want to be run from the uefi shell
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• 3084[23:31:32] <buu> biosnousb: that's what happened the last time I had to do this
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• 3089[23:32:48] <biosnousb> buu, uefi??? the Compaq nx7010 laptop is a 13 years old! 32 bit, no uefi
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• 3091[23:33:35] <somiaj> be careful, maybe ##hardware can give you help, but I don't think you can run flashing software from inside an os
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• 3094[23:34:05] <buu> biosnousb: what do the instructions for the bios exe say?
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• 3100[23:35:31] <biosnousb> there are no instructions
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