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19[00:08:27] <tp43_> I have an Asus EeePC. You use my wifi, I must first do #ifdown eth0, How can I get my audio working?
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23[00:10:56] <tp43_> To use my wifi I figured out I must first do #ifdown eth0 (disable the lan). But I can't figure how to get audio working
24[00:11:13] <tp43_> sorry for repeat, I just need to correct me grammar
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39[00:16:04] <tp43_> actually, the headphone is working
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46[00:17:59] <jmcnaught> tp43_: it shouldn't be necessary to bring eth0 to use wifi. how are you trying to connect to wifi? is eth0 listed in /etc/network/interfaces (maybe you could put that file in a paste?)
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57[00:27:27] <winsen> can you tell me good free pdf editor?
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73[00:35:38] <jmcnaught> winsen: a few to check out are pdftk, pdfshuffler, and inkscape can also open PDF files. They're not the easiest type of file to work with though, it's usually simpler to edit the source file and convert to PDF again
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77[00:38:01] <jmcnaught> winsen: "aptitude search ~Gworks-with-format::pdf~Guse::editing" to search using debtags for some options available
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87[00:42:19] <winsen> jmcnaught: what about pdftk and pdfshuffler? inkscape don't like it
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90[00:43:12] <jmcnaught> winsen: check them out, or search the package manager for others
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107[00:52:26] <winsen> jmcnaught: anyway thanks
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114[00:54:54] <grantwu> I need everyone to have read write access to all these files
115[00:54:58] <grantwu> Regardless of the client UID
116[00:55:00] <grantwu> I have all_squash and anonuid=1002, and I chowned all the files on the sever to 1002
117[00:55:04] <grantwu> Sorry, this is for an NFS share
118[00:55:19] <grantwu> Is there a way to get this working with all_squash and anonuid instead of just making it world writable?
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126[00:57:03] <mantlepro> Just changed entries in /etc/apt/sources.list from jessie to testing and ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. Anything else that I need to do before reboot?
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128[00:57:15] <missmbob> !debian-next
129[00:57:16] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
130[00:57:31] <mantlepro> Thanks.
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135[00:57:51] <jmcnaught> mantlepro: check the FAQ in the topic of that channel too, it's applicable to testing as well
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153[01:05:13] <spacebug^> hum.. why does gksu start a program without asking for my password? where do I change that?
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156[01:07:18] <missmbob> it saves it in your session for some amount of minutes. i can't remember. 15? i don't use it. so anyway if you've entered that password in anything gnome world...it's saved
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159[01:08:16] <spacebug^> bah.. I can't find it in keyring either.
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161[01:08:47] <winsen> how to upgrade libre office?
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164[01:09:37] <missmbob> winsen: jessie-backports has an updated one. replaced-url
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169[01:11:19] <spacebug^> ah, I found how to flush the passphrases saved :)
170[01:11:46] <jmcnaught> spacebug^: perhaps it's something you'd like to share with the class? :)
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172[01:11:56] <winsen> I download 5.1missbob: replaced-url
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174[01:12:22] <KindOne> How exactily can I tell what ./configure options a package uses?
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178[01:12:37] <winsen> missbob: do you know why it shows error?
179[01:12:38] <spacebug^> jmcnaught: sure "gnome-keyring-daemon -r -d" :)
180[01:12:54] <jmcnaught> spacebug^: cool thanks
181[01:12:58] <spacebug^> yw
182[01:13:40] <jmcnaught> winsen: it looks like you didn't correctly add the source lines for jessie-backports, or didn't run apt-get update. Take another look at the instructions that were linked to you
183[01:13:42] <Sygin> hey so i have a question. is there such a way to combine two /dev/something partitions into one and virtualize it so that you can mount it ?
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187[01:14:37] <jmcnaught> Sygin: it's called Logical Volume Manager, the package is lvm2. The debian installer can actually do this. software raid is another option
188[01:15:02] <Sygin> jmcnaught, ok so can this be done across hard drives ?
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191[01:15:19] <Sygin> as in say i have 2 hard drives and i virtually join 2 partitions of those 2 harddrives into one
192[01:15:45] <jmcnaught> KindOne: you can download the source package "apt-get source foo" and then look at the debian/rules file (which is a make file that the packaging tools use to build the package)
193[01:15:56] <bezaban> Sygin: you want a spanned olume
194[01:16:09] <Sygin> spanned volume ?
195[01:16:32] <bezaban> yap
196[01:16:44] <jmcnaught> Sygin: yes, in LVM jargon that would be a linear volume. LVM has other features like mirrors, stripes, snapshots etc. The RHEL manual is a good intro: replaced-url
197[01:17:00] <Sygin> i see. okay
198[01:17:07] <Sygin> well thanks guys
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201[01:17:36] <bezaban> you could of course just mount the drives at different points, but meh
202[01:17:39] <winsen> jmcnaught: right: I did thanks. Now how can I upgrade to libre office 5.1 or>?
203[01:17:50] <jmcnaught> Sygin: keep in mind what when you have a volume that spans two physical drives, if one drive fails you loose the entire volume. LVM has raid redundancy features, or you can use LVM as a layer on top of software RAID
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205[01:18:19] <jmcnaught> winsen: "apt-get -t jessie-backports install libreoffice" presumably, once you have updated your sources
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208[01:19:10] <winsen> jmcnaught: it seems working thanks.
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210[01:19:53] <winsen> jmcnaught: any clue for good free pdf editor?
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214[01:20:29] <jmcnaught> winsen: don't try to installe everything from backports, only the few things that you really need. And again, I don't edit PDFs but I provided a command earlier to search for packages that can edit them
215[01:20:57] <jmcnaught> ideally you would edit the original file that the PDF was made from, and then produce another PDF
216[01:21:03] <winsen> jmcnaught: Do you mean due to non-free sources?
217[01:21:13] <jmcnaught> winsen: ?
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219[01:22:15] <winsen> jmcnaught: why do you say "don't try to install everything from backports,"..?
220[01:22:58] <jmcnaught> winsen: because of what it says in the introduction: replaced-url
221[01:23:29] <winsen> jmcnaught: Ok. that's what I said.
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224[01:24:09] <jmcnaught> winsen: i think we're on different wavelengths. "Backports cannot be tested as extensively as Debian stable, and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care! It is therefore recommended to only select single backported packages that fit your needs, and not use all available backports."
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226[01:25:04] <winsen> jmcnaught: I am still having problem with grub, any clue how to fix it? I tried from terminal and with ubuntu live usb with boot repair unfortunetely it doesn't work?
227[01:25:18] <winsen> any clue
228[01:25:21] <jmcnaught> winsen: i don't know what the problem is
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233[01:27:34] <winsen> jmcnaught: replaced-url
234[01:28:12] <winsen> that's what I had with boo repair with ubuntu live cd.
235[01:28:21] <winsen> *boot..
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238[01:28:34] <jmcnaught> winsen: okay but what is broken?
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241[01:29:14] <winsen> jmcnaught: I can't access to win7 partition. however I didn't see error message
242[01:29:29] <Guest83007> Anyone using adobe flashplugin as I can not get updated even with current file.I am using firefox and do not trust code in chromium.
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247[01:29:59] <jmcnaught> winsen: probably easier to use the update-grub command from within Debian, which should trigger osprober (?)
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258[01:34:28] <winsen> jmcnaught:that's what I did twice, now I am trying again and I added, I also add GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y to /etc/default/grub
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260[01:35:32] <winsen> jmcnaught: I really never had problem with grub for decade
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342[02:11:37] <tjt263> hey, if i execute a command; something like: dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
343[02:11:40] <tjt263> how can i check where the unpacked files end up?
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345[02:12:30] <jmcnaught> tjt263: "dpkg -L package" to list the files that a package has installed
346[02:12:32] <mutante> tjt263: dpkg -L
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348[02:14:00] <TomTomTosch> tjt263: or dpkg -c <deb> to see the contents before you install.
349[02:15:05] <tjt263> i tried that
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352[02:16:09] <jmcnaught> tjt263: what did you try? it's easier to get support if you show the full command and output, using a paste site if you need to
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355[02:17:17] <pingfloyd> tjt263: what is the X problem?
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381[02:27:19] <tjt263> jmcnaught: replaced-url
382[02:27:22] <tjt263> replaced-url
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387[02:27:41] <tjt263> oops double post
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390[02:28:26] <jmcnaught> tjt263: google-chrome-stable is the package name that you should use with "dpkg -L". in the .deb's file name, the part after the _ is the version
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395[02:29:07] <jmcnaught> (and the architecture)
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400[02:31:03] <tjt263> ah i see, so should i use google-chrome or google-chrome-stable
401[02:31:03] <tjt263> looks like both exist
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403[02:32:26] <tjt263> /usr/bin/google-chrome
404[02:32:27] <tjt263> /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable
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406[02:33:17] <grantwu> I think one might be a symlink to another?
407[02:33:21] <joze> /usr/bin/laden
408[02:33:22] <jmcnaught> it probably also added itself to the menu of your desktop environment
409[02:33:27] <joze> grates jokes
410[02:33:48] <TomTomTosch> both are wrappers. i think they run the same binary.
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412[02:34:15] <jmcnaught> tjt263: that package also adds a new file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ from what i understand, which adds a google repo to your apt sources
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422[02:39:00] <TomTomTosch> oh, yeah. grantwu was right.
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425[02:41:22] <tjt263> jmcnaught: hmm does type -t show symlinks?
426[02:42:22] <TomTomTosch> tjt263: ls -alF /usr/bin/ | grep google then follow the symlinks.
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429[02:42:56] <tjt263> does type -t show symlinks?
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432[02:48:07] <RoyK> tjt263: man test
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436[02:51:39] <tjt263> if you dont know , its okay to say so
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438[02:52:32] <TomTomTosch> he pointed to to a command that actually can tell you if something is a symlink.
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441[02:53:40] <tjt263> yes|no|idk
442[02:53:40] <tjt263> these are acceptable answers
443[02:53:43] <TomTomTosch> one that's more helpful in scripts, though :P
444[02:54:29] <grantwu> tjt263: type is a shell builtin, usually, so it depends on the shell I would imagine
445[02:54:30] <tjt263> yeah i know about test, i use it a lot
446[02:54:56] <grantwu> I can confirm it doesn't on zsh
447[02:55:01] <tjt263> good point
448[02:55:07] <tjt263> cheers
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456[02:58:09] <murphy> anyone familiar with preseed? i have a couple questions
457[02:58:39] <jmcnaught> tjt263: did you try it and see?
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459[03:00:08] <tjt263> jmcnaught: uhh, yeah. before i asked. if we're still talking about the same thing
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464[03:05:44] <murphy> does setting a flag on a partition actually change anything?
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467[03:07:43] <Hello71> usually no
468[03:08:45] <stoned> sure
469[03:09:03] <dvs> maybe
470[03:09:04] <stoned> murphy: if you change certain flags behaviors change etc.
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472[03:09:14] <murphy> trying to change a partition to LVM
473[03:09:24] <stoned> for example the boot flag, system flag etc. lvm raid etc.
474[03:09:30] <murphy> do i actually have to repartition it
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476[03:10:09] <stoned> depends
477[03:10:17] <RoyK> tjt263: the arguments to test are the same - hence the reference
478[03:10:22] <stoned> murphy: what did you do?
479[03:10:25] <RoyK> tjt263: or hint, if you like
480[03:10:35] <murphy> i just used gparted to set the flag
481[03:10:47] <murphy> im booted from a live usb
482[03:10:53] <RoyK> murphy: no need really
483[03:11:09] <RoyK> murphy: booting is controlled by grub, not by a boot flag
484[03:12:29] <murphy> i have this dilemma where i want to reformat this partition to use LVM so i can group it with my sd card for more space but im worried the preseed will just overwrite it
485[03:12:46] <pingfloyd> murphy: partition type shouldn't matter for using lvm
486[03:12:56] <murphy> ok cool
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488[03:13:14] <RoyK> guess setting partition type to FAT12 should work well :D
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490[03:13:49] <murphy> what i would really like to do is just have the preseed configure everything but im a little lost on which file is actually used
491[03:14:48] <murphy> what i want to do isnt really complicated, its just a all these little things keep getting in the way
492[03:14:54] <RoyK> murphy: just roll out standard stuff and use something like ansible to do the configration
493[03:15:01] <murphy> stupid intel compute stick
494[03:15:56] <murphy> for now im trying to just edit the restore partition install
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496[03:16:17] <murphy> because im worried it has oem drivers for this thing
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498[03:16:26] <christopherg> I'm running into an issue with my Debian host and Debian guests on KVM. I'm setting up my network manually (i.e. ip addr add <IP> dev eth0, ip route add <GATEWAY> dev eth0, etc) and it works great, however after a couple minutes, the speed of wget/scp/sftp/etc all greatly decrease. Restarting networking doesn't work, but if I bring the link down manually and redo the initialization process mentioned earlier, the speed returns
499[03:16:26] <christopherg> for the few minutes again. I'm having issues diagnosing where the problem stems from.
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501[03:17:19] <christopherg> I've done iperf on the host and guests to the same server and nothing pops up there - all very similar average bandwidths over 5 minutes. Any suggestions?
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581[04:00:34] <retarded_duck> fuck :D
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608[04:10:14] <mylord> I installed postfix, but mail command is still not found
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617[04:14:34] <RoyK> mylord: try apt-get install mailutils or something
618[04:15:46] <missmbob> mylord: postfix provides bsd-mailx, which uses alternatives and is usually set to act as "mail"
619[04:15:58] <mylord> thx
620[04:15:59] <missmbob> /usr/bin/mail is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/mail
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628[04:20:46] <awal1> Any suggestion for a mailreader pkg, similar to mutt, with similar functionalities, desktop independent?
629[04:20:53] <mylord> when I try to change this: sudo postconf -e "myhostname=mysite.com” // to mysite.com from current hostname, mailing fails
630[04:21:04] <mylord> but i’ve also updated my /etc/hostname
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632[04:21:48] <missmbob> mylord: #postfix might be a better help
633[04:21:59] <RoyK> awal1: alpine works well
634[04:22:12] <RoyK> awal1: alpine, even
635[04:22:31] <RoyK> alpine
636[04:22:35] <awal1> Royk, ok, I'll look at it. thanks
637[04:22:44] <RoyK> awal1: a fork of old pine
638[04:23:00] <awal1> Ok, Royk
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640[04:23:17] <awal1> RoyK :P
641[04:23:41] <mylord> i’m not able to change hostname’s now
642[04:23:45] <mylord> do i need a reboot
643[04:24:00] <RoyK> awal1: alpine just came up as al#pine on my terminal :P
644[04:24:10] <RoyK> no, al#ine
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646[04:24:47] <awal1> alpine sound interesting, will try it
647[04:25:21] <mutante> mylord: yea, gotta reboot usually
648[04:26:05] <mutante> mylord: it's not like windows, but basically kernel upgrade and host name change are reasons to
649[04:26:11] <mylord> so to change where my emails come from (e.g blah@mysite.com), i need to change hostname, and need ot reboot?
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651[04:26:32] <mutante> hmm.no.. that i dont think so
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653[04:27:00] <mutante> since you can set an email sender address to whatever anyways..afaict
654[04:27:06] <mylord> cuz now mail is sening from user@hostname
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661[04:29:38] <mutante> mylord: /usr/bin/mail -r "sndr_address" -s "subject" recipient_address ... depending on the version of mail
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663[04:30:32] <mutante> mylord: echo "foo" | mail -r ...
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666[04:33:17] <RoyK> mylord: there's mime-construct too - it gives you pretty good control over the email
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686[04:41:18] <mylord> ok, mail command works from CLI
687[04:41:25] <mylord> but how do I use that from node?
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692[04:43:42] <RoyK> mylord: the node? like any other machine, I guess
693[04:44:01] <mylord> oops, i thot i was in #nodejs :)
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697[04:45:44] <mylord> i don’t get what i’d put for transport SMTP setting or if those are relevant: replaced-url
698[04:46:52] <missmbob> mylord: still not #nodejs
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703[04:54:34] <antisocl> lots of nicks on this server... anyone alive in here?
704[04:54:59] <mutante> !ask
705[04:54:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
706[04:55:23] <mutante> antisocl: pretty social given your nick :)
707[04:55:42] <antisocl> i have a general question...
708[04:55:45] <jim> antisocl, there's probably nick, tommy, joe and gloria too...
709[04:56:07] <antisocl> i'm trying to learn python, c, anything... but my problem is direction...
710[04:56:22] <antisocl> I need something concrete to work on in order to practice and progress...
711[04:56:47] <mutante> antisocl: replaced-url
712[04:56:59] <missmbob> antisocl: join #python and ##c and ask them
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714[04:57:02] <antisocl> and my q is ... how does git work? if i pull something off the hub and clone it... tear it apart, make it better...
715[04:57:32] <antisocl> and then commit it... how do they sort out the clinkers people send up?
716[04:57:49] <mutante> antisocl: they use code review software, for example "gerrit"
717[04:57:50] <ryouma> antisocl: that's only your own repo
718[04:57:57] <missmbob> i'm sure you don't have commmit
719[04:58:06] <ryouma> antisocl: you have to push it, which you can't do if you are not approved; you can do pull requests and such
720[04:58:23] <antisocl> ohhh ok.... that makes sense
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723[04:58:44] <antisocl> you can take all you want and mangle it to your heart's content but you can't send it back
724[04:58:49] <ryouma> yup
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726[04:59:01] <grantwu> Unless, of course, you have push access...
727[04:59:14] <mutante> antisocl: in a software like gerrit, you have a web ui and people upload suggested changes, then other people review and some can give it a +1 which means "looks good but others have to approve" and some others can +2 which means "merge, actually getting into the code"
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729[05:00:21] <jim> antisocl, one thing, you can start by playing with one-liners
730[05:00:43] <antisocl> that would be good practice then... and gerrit... i will keep that name for future reference... i might end up with my name in lights... but then i would have to be partially social... heh
731[05:01:09] <antisocl> one-liners?
732[05:01:14] <mutante> antisocl: you can send it back by uploading it as a suggested change to a server like that. or , in the github model, it's slightly different, you ask the maintainer of something to pull your change "pull request"
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734[05:02:16] <antisocl> i've looked at a lot of tutorial videos on git... my fav is the meme from Downfall... Hitler uses git... i needed the comic relief
735[05:02:24] <jim> antisocl, python programs that can (for example) be entered on one shell line
736[05:03:02] <mutante> antisocl: that thing i mentioned is the Google way but free software replaced-url
737[05:03:10] <jim> one of the greatest piano players I ever played with was named Gitler
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739[05:03:24] <antisocl> thank you jim and mutante... packing my head full of more useful information is always a good thing
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741[05:04:31] <jim> and as far as git... there's "git from the bottom up" which is a very useful paper on the pieces of git (it's a pdf)
742[05:04:52] <jim> more, replaced-url
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744[05:05:08] <antisocl> one thing i was wondering about.. is there something like gerrit or git that you can shove files to privately without charge?
745[05:05:25] <antisocl> i want to use it as an authoring tool for assembling text files for a novel
746[05:05:37] <winterss> hi
747[05:05:39] <jim> you mean extra electrons?!
748[05:05:44] <jim> hi
749[05:06:06] <grantwu> antisocl: GitHub gives you a few free private repos if you're a student
750[05:06:06] <antisocl> i figured it might work in some weird kind of way... think different... lol
751[05:06:21] <antisocl> hmmm I could say I am... does that count?
752[05:06:35] <antisocl> I'm too old to be one, offically I guess...
753[05:06:35] <grantwu> Well, you'll likely need a .edu email address
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755[05:06:42] <jim> get a vps
756[05:06:53] <jim> put bare repos on it
757[05:07:00] <grantwu> BitBucket I think has private repos for free too
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759[05:07:22] <grantwu> VPS are not in general free, outside of maybe AWS free tier
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761[05:08:13] <grantwu> That said, you don't necessarily need Git hosting if you're working alone
762[05:08:14] <antisocl> jim, that pic is mighty scary... lol
763[05:08:24] <grantwu> You could just use Dropbox or Google Drive or something
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765[05:09:54] <antisocl> i was thinking the same thing...and also wondering if my amazon prime was good for what appears to be a shell account on steroids
766[05:10:07] <jim> antisocl, you should do -a lot- of backing up while you're getting used to git...
767[05:10:27] <grantwu> Amazon prime good for shell account on steroids...?
768[05:10:48] <grantwu> I'm not aware of any AWS benefits of prime
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771[05:10:55] <jim> I thought that was for free shipping
772[05:11:12] <grantwu> It has other benefits, but not any AWS benefits afaik
773[05:11:23] <antisocl> my drive is a mess... it's a bit like my head... very cluttered... :-) As you get older you get more latitude for things like wandering about the neighborhood in your boxers... lol
774[05:12:01] <antisocl> prime has free shipping, free books, free video streaming and movies and unlimited music, et al
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777[05:13:06] <antisocl> was wondering if they might give me a discount on that one too... i also have kindle unlimited... bezos loves it... lol
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780[05:14:11] <antisocl> i found that pdf git from the bottom up.... john wiegly
781[05:14:30] <jim> good...
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783[05:14:59] <jim> it's somewhat packet, you might want to go kinda slow
784[05:15:12] <jim> packed
785[05:15:12] <grantwu> antisocl: What are you trying to do exactly?
786[05:15:16] <antisocl> saved to the wildlands of the Documents folder....
787[05:15:37] <grantwu> If you're trying to learn general programming, git is honestly not the first thing you should be learning...
788[05:15:58] <antisocl> i only want git to go fish out some real world projects to practice on
789[05:16:04] <jim> I think he wants to learn to code, and maybe learn how to be cooperative coding on a team or in a group
790[05:16:44] <grantwu> Okay, but the latter doesn't come after a bit of the former
791[05:16:53] <antisocl> without direction, my ADHD takes over and i'm getting closer to the downhill slide into the valley of senility so....anything to keep a sense of direction
792[05:17:14] <grantwu> If you just want to download real world projects, git clone is all you really need to know
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796[05:18:35] <antisocl> i was thinking for some stupid reason earlier that it would be possible to commit the work you did... but if access wasn't locked down then all hell would break loose... my head is very packed with way too many different things... :-)
797[05:18:55] <jim> you can commit your work
798[05:19:28] <grantwu> I wouldn't worry about it for now. You aren't going to ruin anyone else's stuff accidentally
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800[05:20:04] <jim> that's one thing that git provides... if you clone someone else's repo and get their code, you can alter it... if you then commit that, you're committing to -your own- copy of the repo
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803[05:20:26] <antisocl> I want to work on my writing, learn coding enough to be of some use to somebody... i was retired but now back to work at a crap job that will end up killing me in the end...so i want to get back out working at home or in an office ... anywhere but there
804[05:20:51] <winterss> hi
805[05:20:55] <grantwu> winterss Hello
806[05:21:01] <winterss> hi grant
807[05:21:03] <winterss> how are you?
808[05:21:11] <jim> it's like learning a new written/spoken language
809[05:21:11] <grantwu> I'm ok
810[05:21:30] <winterss> nice
811[05:21:34] <winterss> where are you from?
812[05:21:39] <jim> for one thing, it takes awhile
813[05:21:42] <grantwu> Why do you ask?
814[05:21:48] <winterss> just curious
815[05:21:50] <grantwu> antisocl: Try replaced-url
816[05:21:54] <missmbob> winterss: stay on /topic
817[05:22:13] <winterss> ok miss
818[05:22:17] <winterss> sorry
819[05:22:19] <missmbob> !tell grantwu about offtopic
820[05:22:39] <jim> winterss, There is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help
821[05:22:40] <missmbob> oops
822[05:22:47] <missmbob> !tell winterss about offtopic
823[05:23:14] <antisocl> yes it does... some of what i am learning is koine greek... that bends your head too... but anything that promotes thought is a good thing at my age... push the limits a bit... i love learning new things
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826[05:23:32] <jim> the topic here is normally -very- controlled, and -not- social
827[05:23:50] <sm00th> !#debian-offtopic
828[05:25:05] <antisocl> i know... sorry... it's been a long week... and since my wife is gone working tonight i can actually work on things... i've gotten a lot of answers and things sorted in my head... having a plan is helpful
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836[05:28:03] <antisocl> I think it's time to go grep the freezer for some ice cream... need a break. thanks for all the insight, it's been very helpful... have a wonderful weekend :-)
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848[05:37:42] <_rubik> Ok. Whenever I unplug my SSD (desktop powered off and unplugged), it WIPES IT! Both times I've done this, when I boot back up, it says INSERT BOOT MEDIA AND PRESS blah blah.
849[05:37:52] <_rubik> I getting pretty annoyed right now...
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852[05:38:48] <grantwu> What are you writing to it?
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854[05:39:16] <_rubik> grantwu: Its just a normal Deb desktop environment. I work in it for a bit, than I got to tinker with my desktop, uplug the drive. And poof.
855[05:39:28] <grantwu> That's... quite bizarre...
856[05:39:52] <_rubik> grantwu: I don't know if its the drive or what. But I've never seen this before
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859[05:42:13] <_rubik> grantwu: I dont want to go through the process of installing anything again if I know this is going to happen...
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862[05:43:22] <_rubik> grantwu: The first time it happened, I suspected a power surge. This time I dont know what to think.
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864[05:44:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's not from the system
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867[05:45:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, /tmp is wiped
868[05:45:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> but you'd need to do something pretty weird for this having any effect
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871[05:46:04] <grantwu> Is it completely wiped?
872[05:46:09] <_rubik> CutMeOwnThroat: Wierder than powering down, unplugging from the wall, then swapping drives for a bit, and coming back a little bit later.
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874[05:46:34] <_rubik> grantwu: I honestly can't tell you, I just get the motherboards defualt, Reboot and Select proper Boot device.
875[05:46:52] <mnrmnaugh> are you sure its been wiped? check it from a live usb
876[05:46:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, like hard-linkiung /tmp to /
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878[05:47:23] <mnrmnaugh> lol
879[05:47:24] <grantwu> After trying mnrmnaugh's idea, I would try just writing a couple bytes to the beginning of the drive, unplugging it, and seeing if it persists
880[05:47:32] <_rubik> CutMeOwnThroat: I can't think of anything doing that. When I'm choosing fairly default partition tables.
881[05:47:50] <grantwu> Also, you could check SMART data
882[05:47:57] <_rubik> mnrmnaugh: How would I check from live?
883[05:48:13] <mnrmnaugh> mmm, yeah, smart stuff too. disk might be dyin
884[05:48:45] <mnrmnaugh> _rubik boot a live usb, and mount your ssd, then look at it
885[05:48:58] <_rubik> mnrmnaugh: Ok let me get a live setup
886[05:49:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, I also have my doubts it's wiped.. although you should have seen that it's not when installing a 2nd time
887[05:50:20] <_rubik> CutMeOwnThroat: Well the first time I thought it was fried from a power surge (huge thunder storm), so I wiped it myself to start fresh.
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889[05:51:03] <grantwu> It might have gone into read only mode?
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891[05:51:12] <mnrmnaugh> if theres more than one disk in it, it might be the mobo actung weird too, i think
892[05:51:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> non-bootable is possibe... but you boot during install
893[05:51:32] <_rubik> Wait why is there no live mode of this iso??
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895[05:52:38] <grantwu> _rubik: I've never figured out how to make a Debian Live CD... I always use Ubuntu for live
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897[05:52:56] <mnrmnaugh> crummy iso. they dont all have one, try eh, getting a copy of systemrescuecd or puppy
898[05:53:01] <_rubik> grantwu: That would be good to know...
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901[05:53:52] <themill> the installer has a rescue mode that is fine for fixing grub and various other things like that; if you want a live debian iso, you download the live debian iso.
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903[05:54:30] <_rubik> themill: Strange, mind explaining why they arnt bundled? Reduce the file size?
904[05:55:15] <themill> ?
905[05:55:29] <mnrmnaugh> i wanna say, cuz debian is crazy :p
906[05:55:37] <_rubik> themill: Live and the installer.
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908[05:55:54] <themill> installers are for installing and live cds are for live cds? Every tool should do one job and do it well?
909[05:56:24] <grantwu> _rubik: I would just go with an Ubuntu live CD
910[05:56:34] <_rubik> grantwu: Thats what Im booting into atm
911[05:56:39] <grantwu> Ah nice.
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913[05:57:00] <grantwu> And apparently Debian live does include the installer!
914[05:57:05] <grantwu> That's what replaced-url
915[05:57:26] <themill> I wouldn't recommend the installer that is part of the live environment
916[05:57:39] <themill> It doesn't handle the myriad corner cases of installation nearly as well
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918[05:58:06] <_rubik> Wait why am I doing this on a live distro when I have an external dive dock
919[05:58:12] <mnrmnaugh> yeaaah, thay anaconda thing is horrid :p
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924[06:00:14] <themill> _rubik: your description makes it sound like the bootloader is not installed on the right device
925[06:02:41] <_rubik> themill: Yeah I'm honestly not sure. I follow the installer pretty much.
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927[06:02:57] <_rubik> Does mounting a device usually take a bit of time?
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932[06:04:46] <_rubik> Yeah this is taking an unusually long time to mount the filesystem. Just a blinking cursor. I'm assuming something's awry
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935[06:04:58] <themill> If you've got an external drive that you're plugging/unplugging then you'd need to think about where to install grub and not just follow what the installer suggests
936[06:05:44] <_rubik> themill: Its not external. It's an internal ssd that I just had to unplug for a short period of time.
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938[06:05:58] <themill> same problem is likely though
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940[06:06:23] <_rubik> themill: And what do you think is the issue here?
941[06:06:35] <themill> _rubik: your description makes it sound like the bootloader is not installed on the right device
942[06:07:03] <_rubik> themill: But how would unplugging the drive cause an issue when I plug it back up?
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944[06:07:20] <themill> oh, this is after you plug it back in?
945[06:07:28] <_rubik> themill: Yes.
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947[06:07:48] <themill> "Whenever I unplug my SSD … it says INSERT BOOT MEDIA" is what you said
948[06:07:58] * themill is thoroughly confused now
949[06:08:12] <_rubik> themill: Everything is working dandy, I turn off, unplug, time goes by, I plug it back in, and the motherboard cannot find anydrive to boot from
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953[06:08:36] <_rubik> themill: so yes it does say: "Insert proper boot media and press any key".. But thats not debian, thats my motherboard.
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956[06:10:46] <_rubik> Yeah. When I try to mount the filesystem, it just hangs at a blinking cursor. So maybe the data is currupted?
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958[06:11:26] <_rubik> I'm going to try installing on another drive, unplug, plug back in, and see if I can repeat the results.
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961[06:12:44] <Rusty1_> the output of dmesg after the plugin ,might be intructive
962[06:14:32] <_rubik> Rusty1_: It cannot find the drive in the first place
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974[06:20:51] <_rubik> Would forcing UEFI installation cause the issue?
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977[06:22:20] <Rusty1_> _rubik: if a hotplud of the sata drive is not seen by dmesg , then a cable, controller or drive hardware fault may be the problem
978[06:22:34] <Rusty1_> *hotplug
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984[06:23:25] <Rusty1_> try a different sata cable if available
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988[06:26:54] <donald1> in which folder I should choose the mount point of the installation?
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999[06:33:01] <pclov3r> So i have a generic question. I don't follow debian that closely but I suppose Debian 8 is affected by CVE-2016-5696 and the kernel will be patched soon?
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1002[06:33:23] <themill> yes and yes
1003[06:33:50] <pclov3r> thanks
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1005[06:34:46] <grantwu> pclov3r: You can track status here: replaced-url
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1007[06:35:55] <pclov3r> i think nearly every distro is affected by it.
1008[06:36:10] <grantwu> Yeah, since it's in the Linux kernel
1009[06:36:28] <grantwu> But the debian specific tracker lets you know when updates will go out via the debian apt repos
1010[06:36:32] <pclov3r> the only ones i think that aren't are bleeding edge distros
1011[06:36:33] <themill> that tracker link doesn't indicate that it is fixed in git
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1013[06:36:40] <jereluth> I cant figure this out my wireless lan card says it is hard blocked and i did fn f8 but that only toggles the soft block
1014[06:36:50] <grantwu> themill: It says Fixed by under Notes
1015[06:37:07] <themill> grantwu: no, that's upstream and means nothing for the package
1016[06:37:16] <themill> and means even less for stable
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1018[06:37:34] <grantwu> Well... I thought you meant upstream when you said git
1019[06:37:45] <grantwu> I wasn't aware that debian had its own git repos
1020[06:37:56] <pclov3r> curious why it's classified as medium and not high?
1021[06:37:57] <themill> umm where do you think package development happens?
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1023[06:38:06] <pclov3r> tho it seems most are saying medium
1024[06:38:08] <grantwu> Well, I suppose it makes sense now
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1026[06:38:25] <grantwu> pclov3r: I think because most things worth securing are secured by more than just TCP
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1030[06:39:40] <pclov3r> yeah thankfully it's nothing like heartbleed
1031[06:40:01] <themill> replaced-url
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1033[06:44:19] <maurer> grantwu: Yeah, clearly nothing is just secured by tcp, like say, DNS zone transfers
1034[06:44:40] <maurer> grantwu: this isn't to say this is good design, but there are plenty of operations that this flaw weakens
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1040[06:50:02] <joneed> Could someone help me figure out why my grub bootloader keeps getting replaced by the windows bootloader? I have Debian 8 and Windows 10 on my laptop
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1042[06:50:29] <joneed> I've ran one of the grub bootloader repair tools which fixed the problem, temporarily and today the grub is gone again and replaced by windows
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1044[06:51:15] <pclov3r> your using a EFI bootloader i suppose?
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1048[06:52:54] <joneed> Yes I suppose
1049[06:53:12] <pclov3r> and it happens every time you boot windows?
1050[06:54:10] <joneed> When I first installed Debian as second OS (had win10 already) the bootloader got replaced with the grub one and worked fine. After a few boots Windows reverts the bootloader back to the windows default which automatically boots me to windows
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1052[06:54:43] <pclov3r> yeah sounds like Wonderful windows 10
1053[06:54:51] <pclov3r> and Microsoft wanting to take over your computer
1054[06:55:00] <joneed> Yup.. It's so annoying.
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1056[06:55:18] <pclov3r> it's probably part of secure boto
1057[06:55:23] <pclov3r> i am guessing
1058[06:55:27] <pclov3r> tho you disabled that
1059[06:55:33] <joneed> Yeah, I've disabled it
1060[06:55:50] <pclov3r> i haven't yet moved to EFI
1061[06:55:52] <pclov3r> still doing MBR here
1062[06:56:05] <pclov3r> that might be the permanent solution
1063[06:56:12] <joneed> Ahh :p
1064[06:56:38] <pclov3r> hoepfully your laptop supports legacy boot
1065[06:56:44] <pclov3r> but you'll bascailly have to reinstall everything
1066[06:57:09] <joneed> I'll check it out now
1067[06:57:32] <joneed> Yeah it's a brand new laptop and I have the option to legacy boot
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1069[06:57:51] <pclov3r> the probelm may be getting widnwos media to install
1070[06:57:51] <joneed> Wel..
1071[06:57:54] <pclov3r> and it may not like your key
1072[06:57:58] <joneed> True.
1073[06:58:08] <joneed> Is there anything else I could try though?
1074[06:58:22] <pclov3r> just reading there was stuff on google about renaming files
1075[06:58:23] <pclov3r> or something
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1077[06:58:43] <winterss> hi
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1085[07:03:42] <joneed> I'll try the Rescatux tool which should be able to recover grub
1086[07:03:54] <joneed> bootloader
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1089[07:05:07] <iamawesome> 8.5 , is it the latest version of debian now?
1090[07:05:17] <iamawesome> cat /etc/debian_version = 8.5 here
1091[07:05:21] <pingfloyd> of stable
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1094[07:05:41] <iamawesome> Yes, i'm using stable debian
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1096[07:06:28] <iamawesome> Debian stable is good, but some say they have older packages than other linux distro
1097[07:06:34] <pingfloyd> so
1098[07:06:46] <iamawesome> I think, archlinux has latest packages with them.
1099[07:07:02] <pingfloyd> archlinux has more regression too
1100[07:07:47] <iamawesome> Why doesn't debian stable upgrade their packages to newer version?
1101[07:08:09] <pingfloyd> because it's stable
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1103[07:08:17] <mutante> iamawesome: because "newer" also means less stable
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1105[07:08:35] <Penix> ignore the troll
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1107[07:09:02] <mutante> ok, Mister P
1108[07:09:02] <sm00th> who cares if its old
1109[07:09:14] <sm00th> I just had a problem with manjaro testing now when waking from sleep, ugh.
1110[07:09:21] <sm00th> which is based on arch
1111[07:09:34] <sm00th> gotta restart the network manager sometimes
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1113[07:10:00] <mutante> as my grandpa said, "old" is somebody else's stable (well, the grandpa said something about owls and nightingales, but it fits)
1114[07:10:03] <sm00th> never had to before, and get a big error message on wake too now lol
1115[07:10:15] <sm00th> mutante, or how bout "dont' fix what aint broke"
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1118[07:10:55] <mutante> sm00th: yea, they say it's more American than European attitude, but i dunno about that
1119[07:11:06] <grantwu> iamawesome: There's almost always a tradeoff between stability and updates
1120[07:11:09] <sm00th> human nature
1121[07:11:19] <grantwu> Debian Stable picks stability
1122[07:11:38] <cra1g321> depends on what you consider "stability!
1123[07:11:38] <sm00th> just gimme security updates and make sure drivers work with my games is all I ask lol
1124[07:11:43] <cra1g321> "stability"
1125[07:11:44] <grantwu> It's not always the right choice - for example, I know of a package that's been functionally broken for months because there's a bugfix in an update
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1127[07:12:04] <grantwu> That hasn't been backported.
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1129[07:12:12] <grantwu> That reminds me, I ought to go poke the debian maintainer again.
1130[07:12:13] <sm00th> I never have any problems with debian. every single other distro got issues for me though.
1131[07:12:32] <iamawesome> aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade; doesn't show anything, it is up to date
1132[07:12:37] <sm00th> and on top of that, more 3rd party programs compatible with debian over other distros
1133[07:12:43] <sm00th> well except ubuntu ones.
1134[07:12:43] <grantwu> iamawesome: Yes, you are probably up to date.
1135[07:12:51] <iamawesome> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
1136[07:13:03] <iamawesome> cat /etc/debian_version = 8.5
1137[07:13:07] <grantwu> Is there something in particular you are trying to accomplish?
1138[07:13:09] <sm00th> but usually iamawesome haven't been alot of updates this month i noticed as well
1139[07:13:13] <sm00th> i had some today though
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1141[07:13:47] <pingfloyd> most of the updates are security fixes or major bugs
1142[07:13:59] <sm00th> Upgrade: gnupg:amd64 (1.4.18-7+deb8u1, 1.4.18-7+deb8u2), gpgv:amd64 (1.4.18-7+deb8u1, 1.4.18-7+deb8u2), libgcrypt20:amd64 (1.6.3-2+deb8u1, 1.6.3-2+deb8u2)
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1144[07:14:23] <kminooie> speaking of stability, has anything changes in bridge related configuration stuff recently? cause I have been trying for 2 days now and none of the configuration examples in debian wiki site works in jessie?
1145[07:14:30] <pingfloyd> buy hey, choose a bleeding edge rolling release if you like things breaking a lot that were working fine before
1146[07:14:55] <sm00th> pingfloyd, cough, fedora, cough
1147[07:14:55] <kminooie> I am talking about interfaces file
1148[07:15:14] <iamawesome> I use , sudo aptitude update, is there any problem?
1149[07:15:26] <themill> What problem do you think there is?
1150[07:15:28] <iamawesome> I've installed sudo
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1152[07:15:51] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: assuming you have a good sources.list, it means you're all up to date
1153[07:15:56] * cra1g321 wonders who start this debian vs rolling release distro talk
1154[07:16:01] <cra1g321> started*
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1156[07:16:36] <cra1g321> pingfloyd, a rolling release distro is only as good as the user using it, if it breaks majority of the time its because of the user
1157[07:16:39] <iamawesome> I've this in /etc/sudoers = myname ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
1158[07:16:47] <sm00th> during july 4th weekend was like no updates for a while afterwards
1159[07:16:55] <sm00th> or for a logn period I know
1160[07:17:08] <sm00th> seems to be back in routine now
1161[07:17:18] <kminooie> is there a systemd equivalent of what /etc/networking/interfaces accomplishes?
1162[07:17:21] <pingfloyd> cra1g321: I'll let you believe that
1163[07:17:35] <grantwu> kminooie: I believe that it should still work...?
1164[07:18:05] <iamawesome> rm is alwasy a destructive command, isn't it?
1165[07:18:09] <kminooie> it works for normal interfaces but I can't get it to set a bridge
1166[07:18:25] <cra1g321> pingfloyd, and i'll let you believe your opinion on rolling release distros, which was the same as mine until i switched to arch 3months ago, before that it was debian sid, stable :)
1167[07:18:32] <iamawesome> Sometimes you can do: rm -rf * and Enter instead of rm -rf *.o
1168[07:18:32] <kminooie> thought I might have a better luck with systemd
1169[07:18:38] <pingfloyd> cra1g321: 3 months ago
1170[07:19:00] <cra1g321> ?
1171[07:19:06] <kminooie> since ip works fine
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1173[07:19:32] <iamawesome> How can i know the name of the installed debian?
1174[07:19:35] <iamawesome> Is there any command?
1175[07:19:41] <iamawesome> I do: cat /etc/debian_version
1176[07:19:47] <iamawesome> That outputs the version
1177[07:19:50] <iamawesome> not the name
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1179[07:19:58] <grantwu> iamawesome: lsb_release -a
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1181[07:20:26] <grantwu> lsb_release -c if you just want the codename
1182[07:20:26] <iamawesome> Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.5 (jessie) ,
1183[07:20:27] <orb> or look at the /etc/issue*
1184[07:20:44] <kminooie> iamawesome: cat /etc/os-release
1185[07:21:22] <orb> Codename: jessie
1186[07:21:48] <orb> No LSB modules are available.
1187[07:21:48] <orb> Distributor ID: Debian
1188[07:21:48] <orb> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.5 (jessie)
1189[07:21:48] <orb> Release: 8.5
1190[07:21:48] <orb> Codename: jessie
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1192[07:21:51] <iamawesome> orb: cat /etc/issue doesn't have the name
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1194[07:22:13] <orb> oops
1195[07:22:14] <iamawesome> orb: cat /etc/issue doesn't have the name
1196[07:22:30] <iamawesome> orb: Use pastebin if you have to send more lines
1197[07:22:42] <iamawesome> So jessie is the latest stable debian, right?
1198[07:22:42] <orb> I was doing /exec -o lsb_release -a
1199[07:22:51] <orb> it is.
1200[07:23:20] <orb> I'm running a dos telnet client to my linux box.
1201[07:23:42] <iamawesome> What's dos telnet client?
1202[07:23:47] <iamawesome> How is dos in linux?
1203[07:23:57] <themill> .o0( maybe we could concentrate on actual support questions? )
1204[07:24:15] <orb> I'm running dos on one machine and telnetting over there.
1205[07:24:27] <joneed> It seems like everything is against me. Tried to run Rescatux to fix my grub bootloader and I get kernel panic
1206[07:24:44] <joneed> and it gets stuck.. fml.
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1210[07:26:09] <iamawesome> joneed: What's fml?
1211[07:27:08] <joneed> just forget it, lol.
1212[07:27:14] <mutante> iamawesome: replaced-url
1213[07:27:30] <kminooie> so how can i debug issues with /etc/network/interfaces? is there a log that i can activate or increase its verbosity?
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1217[07:28:31] <_rubik> Ok guys so I tested on a second drive.
1218[07:28:36] <_rubik> And it happened again
1219[07:28:44] <_rubik> this time a HHD not SSD
1220[07:29:34] <mutante> _rubik: so does rule out "cable" and "drive" from the list?
1221[07:29:47] <mutante> that would just leave "controller" ..shrug
1222[07:29:58] <_rubik> rules out the drive. But eh cable idea doesn't make sense.
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1224[07:30:33] <_rubik> Yeah I don't really know what's left ont he table. I'm going to try ubuntu 16.06 to rule out my debian install
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1229[07:33:29] <pingfloyd> kminooie: VERBOSE=yes in /etc/default/networking
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1231[07:34:44] <kminooie> pingfloyd: thanks. good call
1232[07:34:50] <pingfloyd> no problem
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1259[07:54:24] <_rubik> Yeah ran the test again with Fedora and it passed. It must be a deb install issue
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1262[07:55:40] <_rubik> Ruling out hardware, would could be causing the deb issue?
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1718[10:07:05] <karooga> Hi any one experienced with configuring 3G USB dongles?
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1723[10:12:18] <karooga> anyone around?
1724[10:12:40] <hiya> karooga, yo
1725[10:12:56] <hiya> karooga, what kinda dongle is it?
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1729[10:15:47] <MaBunny> hello guys
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1731[10:16:08] <karooga> huawei
1732[10:16:23] <karooga> 12d1:14dc
1733[10:16:24] <MaBunny> currently im trying to make my 16gb which i will use as a storage system accessable to all users
1734[10:16:46] <karooga> hiya: it works fine but the issue I'm having is apn settings
1735[10:17:07] <MaBunny> it doesnt has a debian in it,i just want to store some files onto it
1736[10:17:16] <MaBunny> so
1737[10:17:20] <hiya> karooga, what is the issue with it? Are you using wvdial?
1738[10:17:32] <hiya> or just the GUI?
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1740[10:17:40] <karooga> hiya: it doesn't persist them, meaning i have to access the webserver on the dongle to set it up
1741[10:17:45] <MaBunny> when i load the pendrive to the computer and open it in nautilus
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1743[10:18:02] <MaBunny> it doesnt let me to create new folders or paste files in ti
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1745[10:18:24] <MaBunny> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 33 Aug 20 19:11 /dev/sdc1
1746[10:18:33] <hiya> MaBunny, is it NTFS formated?
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1748[10:18:46] <karooga> hiya: no i'm not using wvdial - it's not clear to me what mechanism or program it's using to create the connection. It's actually raspbian i'm running on a RPi.
1749[10:18:46] <MaBunny> this is the pendrive's permissions
1750[10:18:52] <MaBunny> hiya its ext4
1751[10:19:02] <hiya> karooga, Ok, i don't know man
1752[10:19:17] <hiya> MaBunny, ok then check out the hardware lock that most pendrives have?
1753[10:19:26] <MaBunny> i want to hav my normal user get access to it
1754[10:19:29] <hiya> ok
1755[10:19:34] <MaBunny> the root user has access but
1756[10:19:39] <MaBunny> not the normal user
1757[10:19:44] <karooga> hiya: do you have any idea whether it might be systemd that is doing the control?
1758[10:19:46] <hiya> policykit issues
1759[10:19:51] <hiya> MaBunny, ^
1760[10:19:57] <hiya> how did you install? NOT gnome?
1761[10:20:04] <MaBunny> ??
1762[10:20:08] <MaBunny> hiya?
1763[10:20:14] <hiya> MaBunny, how did you install Debian?
1764[10:20:37] <hiya> karooga, I have used them a lot time ago, but I am not sure man. I use to do it with wvdial
1765[10:20:53] <MaBunny> well,im logged in on my normal user
1766[10:21:13] <MaBunny> idk....i havent used special policies in my debian
1767[10:21:31] <karooga> hiya: ok cool, I'll dig around.
1768[10:21:40] <hiya> karooga, ok sorry man
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1771[10:21:59] <hiya> MaBunny, But how did you install Debian? Did you go with regular Gnome Installer?
1772[10:22:05] <MaBunny> yes
1773[10:22:22] <hiya> MaBunny, aptitude search policykit
1774[10:22:30] <MaBunny> i had the regular installation process with Gnome as GUI
1775[10:22:45] <hiya> do you see "i" for policykit-1 and policykit-1-gnome
1776[10:22:53] <MaBunny> wait
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1778[10:23:17] <MaBunny> policykit-1
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1780[10:23:23] <MaBunny> policykit-1-gnome
1781[10:23:37] <MaBunny> yes i see
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1783[10:24:07] <hiya> MaBunny, i ?
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1785[10:24:09] <hiya> Or p?
1786[10:24:14] <MaBunny> i
1787[10:24:25] <MaBunny> no p
1788[10:24:34] <MaBunny> 'p'
1789[10:24:47] <hiya> MaBunny, send me screenshot you are confusing me
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1791[10:25:05] <hiya> MaBunny, Also is it happening with each and every pen drive?
1792[10:25:14] <MaBunny> no
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1795[10:26:49] <hiya> MaBunny, just this one?
1796[10:27:02] <hiya> Copy the data, reformat, and use
1797[10:27:02] <hiya> :D
1798[10:27:03] <MaBunny> hiya: replaced-url
1799[10:27:14] <MaBunny> i hav reformatted
1800[10:27:32] <MaBunny> but i cant access the pendriv as a normal user
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1802[10:27:45] <winterss> hi earth
1803[10:27:47] <MaBunny> i want to access the pendrive as a normal user
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1805[10:28:39] <hiya> MaBunny, but you can access other pendrives as normal user ?
1806[10:28:49] <MaBunny> yes
1807[10:29:03] <winterss> yea
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1812[10:29:33] <hiya> MaBunny, I don't see i or p in that pastebn
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1814[10:29:56] <MaBunny> not even policykit-1-gnome
1815[10:29:59] <olerem__> hallo all, i'm one of developer of ath9k-htc firmware. It is opensource firmware for some of atheros wife adapters. What should be done to make debian free package for it?
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1819[10:30:41] <hiya> olerem__, i asked long back but since it is freezed, nothing can be done other than installing it manually
1820[10:30:52] <hiya> MaBunny, just don't use this pen drive :P
1821[10:31:02] <MaBunny> no way
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1823[10:31:18] <reev> MaBunny you gotta dump that pen drive
1824[10:32:31] <MaBunny> reev you dump your mind
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1827[10:33:42] <Joost> I'm trying to find the 'compose key' setting in Jessie/gnome3.. but nothing seems to work (dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration is also ignored :/)
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1830[10:34:02] <Joost> I would expect it to be in the GUI in Settings > Keyboard > Typing
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1835[10:36:28] <olerem__> hiya: what exactly is freezed?
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1879[10:53:11] <olerem__> pleas fix me, the main problem of packaging ath9k-htc-fw is missing xtensa toolchain in debian repos. Is it correct?
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1892[10:58:19] <nkuttler> olerem__: try #debian-kernel on oftc
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1920[11:14:53] <archer121> hi! Anyone knows where /etc/mysql/debian.cnf comes from? I accidently deleted it and now I want it back
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1932[11:22:15] <heller-> why does not debian color directories by default?
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1948[11:29:22] <Draggin> Good morning!
1949[11:30:56] <Draggin> I live in a relatively rural area in South Africa and our Internet connectivity options are rather limited. As a result, I use mobile broadband, which is generally just the most convenient. However, I have a little USB dongle that I used to use for connection. To get decent speed though, I actually need to roam on another network than the one I'm subscribed to, and I have no idea how to set that up in a Debian environment, since I obviously don't run the
1950[11:30:57] <Draggin> official software for the dongle.
1951[11:31:41] <Draggin> When using my old cellphone as a wi-fi hotspot, or tethered, it's easy to set it up, as the phone itself allows me to set up roaming. Any ideas as to how to do this...?
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1956[11:33:20] <heller-> If i want windows computers to find debian machine with hostname, do i need to install samba with no shares?
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1959[11:33:43] <_aeris_> heller- > no, only avahi-daemon
1960[11:33:58] <_aeris_> (bonjour/zeroconf protocol)
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1962[11:34:36] <heller-> _aeris_: i install avahi and i can ping with ping hostname?
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1965[11:35:47] <heller-> nice
1966[11:35:50] <heller-> it really does work
1967[11:35:51] <heller-> thanks :)
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1970[11:36:27] <miroesq> different dates are showing up on 3 separate installs of debian even though i used timedatectl set-timezone Africa/Cairo
1971[11:36:52] <miroesq> i even have one machine which shows the date as jan 1 2013
1972[11:37:03] <miroesq> how do i force them to sync with the correct time?
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1980[11:43:15] <miroesq> anyone? :)
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2053[12:15:58] <heller-> so for sending emails, postfix or exim4, or does it matter?
2054[12:16:02] <heller-> settings up zabbix here
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2062[12:20:10] <StoBrendo> hi there i want to install ruby 2.2 on a debian system but i only get 2.1 from repos
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2064[12:20:45] <StoBrendo> how could i install ruby 2.2 on debian?
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2091[12:38:30] <winsen1> hi all
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2099[12:42:21] <bibble> heller-: postfix seems more common than exim4 ... if zabbix doesn't state a specific, use postfix
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2133[13:05:18] <StoBrendo> Hi , i needto install ruby2.2 on debian jessie, do anyone how could i do it?
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2162[13:21:49] <petn-randall> StoBrendo: Debian 8 comes with 2.1.5, does you program explicitely require 2.2?
2163[13:22:20] <petn-randall> StoBrendo: I think the only way to do this is by local install, you could backport the ruby package from testing, but that is 2.3.
2164[13:22:43] <shellclear> hello, would I like to know how many swap it's necessary to hibernate a laptop with 16GB RAM
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2167[13:23:15] <wsky> shellclear: around 20 GB should be sufficient
2168[13:23:36] <shellclear> ok, why not 16GB?
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2170[13:23:48] <wsky> you can do 16 GB as well
2171[13:24:09] <wsky> i dubt you'll make itto a point where you got all of your ram filled and you altready are swapping
2172[13:24:24] <wsky> the old, general rule is to have twice ram size swap
2173[13:24:45] <shellclear> ubuntu docs says : Ubuntu Desktop uses Swap to Hibernate (PC off, no power needed, program states saved). If Hibernation is important to you, have more swap space than ram + swap overflow.
2174[13:24:48] <wsky> but the hibernation process compressess the data so it's actually smaller in swap than it was in ram
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2176[13:25:29] <shellclear> I'm using a swapfile, but some times hibernation fail when come back
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2178[13:25:45] <wsky> what is your machine and kernel?
2179[13:26:07] <wsky> some kernels suffer from a hibernation related bug on some machines
2180[13:26:11] <shellclear> Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2181[13:26:26] <shellclear> Dell machine
2182[13:26:28] <wsky> hm try compiling 4.1.30 and see does it still happen
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2184[13:26:41] <petn-randall> shellclear: Swap file is less reliable than swap partition, I'd use the latter when I can.
2185[13:26:52] <wsky> i remember having issues with hibernation on this machine wqith 3.16 too
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2189[13:27:27] <shellclear> hummm ok
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2192[13:28:45] <shellclear> would swap partition solve the problem?
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2194[13:29:12] <wsky> try it out but also have your kernel release in mind
2195[13:29:22] <wsky> as i said, some kernels does not work with hiberantion well
2196[13:29:23] <petn-randall> shellclear: It could. Hibernating to swap file never was reliable, I don't know if they fixed the issues that were at hand.
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2199[13:29:40] <wsky> don't*
2200[13:30:02] <shellclear> ok, thanky petn-randall and wsky, thank you very much
2201[13:30:08] <wsky> np, ^5
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2203[13:32:33] <CuteMeOwnThroat> judd, kernels
2204[13:32:34] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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2206[13:32:55] <CuteMeOwnThroat> there's a 4.6.0 in jessie-backports, too
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2220[13:43:45] <winsen1> recently I added libre office from "backport sources" unfortunately it doesn't work. any clue?
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2225[13:46:00] <towo`> "doesn't work" is saying zero
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2237[13:58:02] <CuteMeOwnThroat> coke zero?
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2241[13:59:38] <Putti> Any idea if the netinst for jessie includes drivers for some huawei 3g usb modem (I don't know the exact specs so if someone knows generally if there is drivers for 3g usb modems). If there is, which driver should I choose in the netinstaller's detect network hardware step?
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2245[14:00:16] <Putti> Also, I know that this 3g modem works with debian jessie gnome installation
2246[14:01:49] <Putti> Ok, I got the exact (well almost) model this is: Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E220 HSDPA Modem / E230/E270/E870 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem
2247[14:04:15] <StoBrendo> petn-randall: I kind of need (would make life much easier) to use compass. I did sudo apt-get install ruby-compass ruby-sass but when running compass it fails and complains about not having core_ext installed. When i try to install it it complains about not having ruby >=2.2 installed
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2294[14:42:02] <petn-randall> StoBrendo: Err, where do you have ruby-compass from? The one from the release should work with ruby from that release. Looks like you are mixing different releases, which is not a good idea.
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2298[14:44:06] <StoBrendo> petn-randall: i'm not, this is my sources.list , replaced-url
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2300[14:44:54] <petn-randall> StoBrendo: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy'? → replaced-url
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2309[14:48:24] <Joost> huh, is ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/ down?
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2311[14:49:52] <missmbob> Joost: not working here anyway
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2314[14:51:29] <StoBrendo> petn-randall: replaced-url
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2322[14:57:13] <Engys> Hi, what does it mean if linux-image-4.6 is installed but Debian Stretch uname -a returns 3.16
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2327[15:02:38] <Engys> ok I see /boot/grub/grub.cfg has 4.6 .. looks like Debian did not refresh my main mbr
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2329[15:02:53] <wsky> Engys: you just didn't boot the kernel
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2331[15:03:21] <wsky> and it has nothing to do with your mbr
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2333[15:06:35] <Engys> ah ok my first and second harddrive hold Archlinux .. my third Debian .. looks like I need to fix it manually
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2338[15:09:30] <Engys> and I thought grub is able to analyze boot order of my partitions
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2345[15:11:48] <CuteMeOwnThroat> what's that supposed to mean
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2347[15:12:02] <tremon> Engys: the boot order of your partitions has nothing to do with what kernel is chosen
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2356[15:16:49] <Engys> tremon, sure but even if I try to select Debians kernel I can only select 3.2 and that shows me that Debian wrote his Grub information somewhere else than Arch is doing
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2362[15:17:34] <tremon> ah, that's true. You're simply not booting from your debian installation at all
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2367[15:22:03] <Lal> Hey guys, Is there any special channel for Debian web?
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2371[15:23:17] <missmbob> Lal: you mean #debian-replaced-url
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2378[15:28:08] <ArchNoob> it's empty :( or am i doing it wrong? missmbob
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2380[15:28:24] <ArchNoob> #debian-replaced-url
2381[15:28:58] <Lal> missmbob: I really don't know
2382[15:29:19] <tremon> all other debian channels are on oftc, not freenode
2383[15:29:35] <Lal> ArchNoob: Most of their channel are empty.
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2402[15:39:14] <petn-randall> StoBrendo: I guess sprunge is also ok, I just added it out of habit. pastebin.com for example doesn't work if you use a browser without JS.
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2405[15:40:16] <petn-randall> StoBrendo: Are you sure you're running compass from the package? Does 'which compass' return /usr/bin/compass, or something else?
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2407[15:40:46] <petn-randall> StoBrendo: I'd be surprised if the packaged ruby-compass wouldn't work and go unnoticed for so long.
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2416[15:50:13] <Engys> tremon, wsky thanks for your eye .. grub-mkconfig & grub-install fixed the problem
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2419[15:51:44] <tremon> Engys: you probably won't be able to boot into arch now then. be sure to install os-prober to have debian's grub autodetect the other installs (I'm not sure if it will detect the correct kernels though)
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2519[16:45:02] <atralhea-> how can I limit a specific port speed on debian server?
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2521[16:45:43] <petn-randall> atralhea-: For what service?
2522[16:46:02] <petn-randall> atralhea-: Port as in Ethernet port, or TCP/UDP port?
2523[16:46:35] <jez9999> Hello. I have "debsums -c -e" reporting some changed config files, and some "missing file"s. How can I get hold of the default config files?
2524[16:46:51] <atralhea-> petn-randall: im suing shadowsocks, its a proxy tool, lets say I want to give 10 ports to it, and limit each port to 1mb/s speed for download and upload, how can I do it?
2525[16:46:54] <jez9999> is there a way to extract them from the packages that are presumably on my system?
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2527[16:47:25] <atralhea-> pentiumone133: TCP/UPD, im not sure which, its socks proxy
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2531[16:48:48] <tremon> !tell jez9999 about confmiss
2532[16:49:04] <petn-randall> atralhea-: You can use tc or even iptables to limit incoming/outgoing traffic by bandwidth.
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2535[16:49:21] <tremon> jez9999: you can also use dpkg -x to extract an entire .deb in a location of your choosing, for manual inspection
2536[16:49:34] <jez9999> tremon: where would the .debs be
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2538[16:50:27] <tremon> they're kept in /var/cache/apt/archives, but you can always download them with apt-get download $pkg
2539[16:50:46] <tremon> (downloads to the current directory)
2540[16:50:58] <jez9999> ok
2541[16:51:01] <petn-randall> jez9999: You can download them with 'apt-get install -d foo', should be in /var/cache/apt.
2542[16:51:42] <petn-randall> Indeed, apt-get download is the better approach.
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2545[16:52:18] <tremon> for completeness sake, apt-get install -d downloads to /var/cache, and apt-get download puts in the file in the current directory
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2552[16:56:38] <jez9999> ok it couldn't find the hdparm.rules file in the extracted hdparm package
2553[16:56:59] <jez9999> even though debsums reported it missing
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2596[17:15:20] <winsen1> Hi all
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2599[17:16:23] <winsen1> does anyone know how to restore grub. I can access windows partition sda1.
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2602[17:16:52] <winsen1> *I mean I can not access...
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2607[17:18:01] <tremon> what do you mean "restore"? grub itself will not help you access filesystems (well, it can, but it's a lousy filemanager...)
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2611[17:19:34] <winsen1> tremon: to fix the grub2.2
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2617[17:21:41] <winsen1> tremon: I did from ubuntu live usb but I am still can not access to windows partition. first time I thought I didn't have enough space. now that I know I have more than 11GB free. I think it's enough for windoz
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2620[17:22:15] <petn-randall> winsen1: You want to boot the Windows? Is that your question?
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2624[17:23:23] <winsen1> petn-randall: yes
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2627[17:25:23] <tremon> winsen1: did you install os-prober in debian?
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2631[17:26:34] <winsen1> tremon: I am using debian for many years, I didn't have any problem with the grub
2632[17:27:32] <winsen1> tremon: I've been using debian for awhile..but it's first that I had this problem..
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2637[17:28:15] <petn-randall> winsen1: Are you running with a classic BIOS, or UEFI?
2638[17:28:51] <winsen1> classic bios
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2642[17:31:41] <winsen1> petn-randall: good question. because when I run my machine it says firmware error or disabled something like that.
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2646[17:35:03] <petn-randall> winsen1: If you installed an OS, and change from UEFI to classic mode (CSR), your OS will fail to boot. Can you show us the error?
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2658[17:41:13] <winsen1> petn-randall: no it has bios
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2660[17:42:33] <winsen1> petn-randall: so no EFI/UEFI
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2669[17:46:07] <winsen1> petn-randall: In fact when I try to access to win7 it goes back to the main menu of the grub.
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2678[17:48:15] <petn-randall> winsen1: Does it throw an error?
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2681[17:48:42] <debidi> winsen1: try to boot win7 step by step from the grub command line, set root=(hdX,msdosY); chainloader +1; boot
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2687[17:51:43] <StoBrendo> petn-randall: /usr/local/bin/compass and /usr/bin/compass those are the paths. I'm trying to install it on a vps machine, on my local machine I've already installed it and works fine, I remember I had to install some dependencies by hand but I did it and worked fine. Btw, i preffer sprunge because you pipe the command to : | curl -F "sprunge=<-" replaced-url
2688[17:51:53] <winsen1> petn-randall: no message error when I try to boot on win7. It just goes back to the main menu of the grub2.2
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2691[17:53:01] <winsen1> debibi: I don't follow you. do you by safe mode of debian? because I can not use even safe mode on windows because it goes back to the main menu as I said above.
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2694[17:54:25] <winsen1> brb
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2699[17:56:43] <stoned> StoBrendo: alias sprunge='curl -F "sprunge=<-" replaced-url
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2701[17:57:31] <StoBrendo> stoned: I preffer this, alias webshare='curl -F "sprunge=<-" replaced-url
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2703[17:57:54] <stoned> xcilp implies X
2704[17:58:23] <StoBrendo> i've got X on my local machine :V i don't have any aliases at all on vps had not enough time for that by now xD
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2706[17:58:51] <StoBrendo> but i also have the sprunge alias xD
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2709[17:59:52] <ritztech> anyone like the way AWS IOT is ( im trying to build 20 wifi tester units to show speed upload/download latency portalpage timeout redirects and then send it to maybe IoT aws
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2714[18:00:38] <stoned> debidi: he just needs to run grub-update iirc, and that should detect and update his windows 7 entry. he might need to reinstall grub if windows took it over.
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2720[18:03:28] <stoned> debidi: you can advise him to see replaced-url
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2732[18:13:08] <winsen> debidi, petn-randall>: I tried again with all windows option "safe mode, debugging..etc" it always goes back to the main menu of the grub. this is result if dsmeg: replaced-url
2733[18:13:50] <winsen> AS you can see error on usb1 : failed, rtlwifi...don't know why and ho to fix it?
2734[18:14:23] <winsen> also blutooth: failed
2735[18:16:17] <winsen> brb
2736[18:17:25] <Azitrex> installing a 32bit gnu/linux on a 64bit machine could to take lower ram compare to installing 64bit of OS ?
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2738[18:18:29] <stoned> no
2739[18:18:46] <stoned> Azitrex: how much ram does your machine have>
2740[18:19:02] <Azitrex> 512 MB stoned
2741[18:19:26] <Azitrex> i fact it's a vitural machine (server node)
2742[18:19:34] <Azitrex> Virtual *
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2745[18:21:14] <stoned> Azitrex: you can use 64 bits and you'll be good
2746[18:21:44] <jelly> Azitrex: depending on the app, you may see no difference to some 5-10% difference typically
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2748[18:21:52] <stoned> No need to use 32bit unless you have to. RAM wouldn't really be an issue.
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2751[18:22:38] <Azitrex> stoned: yes 512MB of ram is enough to running but when i have some other heavy services to running Ram is a main problem and i have challenge to my sys Admin for that
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2753[18:23:58] <rozie> Azitrex: rather use swap or read about zram
2754[18:24:07] <stoned> Azitrex: you can get more ram or use swap space
2755[18:24:08] <rozie> BTW what do you have running there?
2756[18:24:15] <Azitrex> i know Data-Bus in 64bit machine is 64 address access to memory cell but when i installing 32 bit of OS Data-Bus changed ? i think no but i dont test it yet any experiance ?
2757[18:24:25] <rozie> 0,5 GB is pretty much
2758[18:24:37] <rozie> (for a small server)
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2760[18:25:05] <rozie> change 64bit -> 32bit is not worth your work, probably
2761[18:25:30] <rozie> I'd be surpised if you gain 10%
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2763[18:26:09] <Azitrex> i know Data-Bus in 64bit machine is 64 address access to memory cell but when i installing 32 bit of OS Data-Bus changed ? i think no but i dont test it yet any experiance ?
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2770[18:28:14] <sm00th> rhythmbox doesn't have an equalizer?
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2778[18:32:31] <stoned> libasound2-plugin-equal I use an eq in alsa
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2780[18:32:55] <sm00th> stoned, i use pulseaudio will it work?
2781[18:33:10] <sm00th> there is the pulseaudio-equalizer but i have to find a repo or deb to download for it
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2784[18:33:23] <sm00th> I have found one in the past forget which one i used
2785[18:33:45] <sm00th> I'd rather not have to install another music program :/
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2787[18:34:17] <stoned> replaced-url
2788[18:34:19] <sm00th> but then again maybe better then trusting some 3rd party
2789[18:34:24] <stoned> Check it out
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2791[18:34:35] <sm00th> oh cool
2792[18:34:46] <sm00th> is there a way to do like a gpg check on that?
2793[18:34:54] <sm00th> I'm noob don't use git often
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2795[18:34:59] <stoned> it's from github and the soruce is right there
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2797[18:35:24] <OerHeks> Clementine is much faster with large music collections, and has a build-in equalizer.
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2800[18:36:15] <sm00th> hmm never used clementine have used banshee
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2802[18:36:45] <bipul> Is there any difference between umask and ACL's mask ?
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2806[18:37:48] <stoned> I've been using clementine for a long time
2807[18:37:57] <sm00th> there is a package called rhythmbox plugins
2808[18:38:04] <sm00th> in the debian repo would that have it?
2809[18:38:22] <sm00th> oh its already installed lol
2810[18:38:49] <stoned> replaced-url
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2812[18:38:58] <sm00th> no equalizer though so weird
2813[18:39:03] <sm00th> for a music player
2814[18:39:19] <sm00th> I don't think juk has one either
2815[18:39:38] <stoned> replaced-url
2816[18:39:40] <stoned> clementine does
2817[18:39:48] <stoned> built in
2818[18:39:50] <sm00th> ya but I'd rather not install it if I don't have to
2819[18:40:20] <stoned> it's better than rhythmbox
2820[18:40:22] <stoned> or amarok
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2822[18:40:34] <sm00th> oh god amarok, it was horrible
2823[18:40:41] <jelly> it's a clone of amarok (1.4)
2824[18:40:42] <sm00th> crashed all the time especially on importing large libraries
2825[18:40:49] <sm00th> you couldn't really shuffle everything unless you wanted to kill your pc
2826[18:40:50] <sm00th> haha
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2828[18:41:03] <stoned> rhythmbox is a clone of amarok btw
2829[18:41:12] <sm00th> it works great though
2830[18:41:15] <sm00th> just has no fkn equalizer
2831[18:41:16] <stoned> clementine doesn't try to clone but it' ssimilar
2832[18:41:25] <stoned> I eman they're all music players
2833[18:41:47] <sm00th> i need to be able to handle large libraries and have a good shuffle
2834[18:41:56] <sm00th> and to easily add files to playlist
2835[18:41:57] <stoned> Clementine is super fast
2836[18:42:06] <sm00th> are you a dev fro clementine or something? lol
2837[18:42:13] <stoned> No
2838[18:42:18] <sm00th> banshee is my fav right now
2839[18:42:22] <stoned> I'm a passionate music enthusiast lover guy dude man
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2843[18:42:37] <sm00th> on fedora you can't stop them from communicating with like one of those servers
2844[18:42:38] <sm00th> haha
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2848[18:42:57] <sm00th> so on qubes i have to use rhythmbox or banshee in a vm with no net
2849[18:43:01] <jelly> anygoo
2850[18:43:02] <sm00th> its bizarre
2851[18:43:04] <jelly> !tias
2852[18:43:05] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
2853[18:43:19] <sm00th> supposedly to one of those song lyric cd cover shits even with all that stuff turned off
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2857[18:45:54] <sm00th> fk i guess i have to use git
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2863[18:47:10] <stoned> mkdir ~/github; cd ~/github; git clone somethingfromgithub; cp plugindir $HOME/.local/share/rhythmbox/plugins/; restart rythmbox
2864[18:47:17] <sm00th> I'm not supposed to run git with sudo right?
2865[18:47:20] <stoned> why do you fear github?
2866[18:47:25] <stoned> does it scare you?
2867[18:47:27] <sm00th> stoned, yes
2868[18:47:29] <sm00th> lol
2869[18:47:37] <stoned> Does it blow you away?!
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2871[18:47:46] <sm00th> not sure what that means
2872[18:47:51] <stoned> nothing.
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2874[18:48:39] <sm00th> stoned, I'm afraid I'm gonan give too much permission
2875[18:49:03] <stoned> People only fear what they do not understand.
2876[18:49:15] <stoned> I recommend that you learn permissions.
2877[18:49:16] <sm00th> thats true alot
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2879[18:49:24] <sm00th> i'd rather not take the chance
2880[18:49:32] <wsky> stoned: what's your favorite philosopher?
2881[18:49:34] <sm00th> because in truth doesn't matter how much you know we all human
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2883[18:49:44] <wsky> stoned: or what's the most understood person by you you know?
2884[18:49:58] <stoned> wsky: philosophy is a mental game designed by the monkeys to entertain themselves. The only thought that matters is taht is authentic and born from within.
2885[18:50:06] <stoned> But that's a conversation for another time and place.
2886[18:50:10] <wsky> would you not be scared if he/she would aim at you with an ak?
2887[18:50:15] <sm00th> stoned, even if its asinine?
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2890[18:50:34] <sm00th> or a poison thought for humanity. you wouldn't support the sane ones?
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2892[18:50:54] <stoned> Thought without judgment. :)
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2894[18:51:18] <stoned> A human mind conditioned by thought since childhood... how does one decondition this condition so one can truly observe the mind in silent darkness?
2895[18:51:22] <sm00th> I'd have a guilty conscious about doing nothing while everything goes down in flames.
2896[18:51:30] <stoned> Ah, don't get me goin. I'm gonna go be stoney. Later.
2897[18:51:31] <sm00th> or not even voicing my thoughts about it.
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2900[18:53:06] <stoned> wsky: sm00th: I'm a trippy hippy monkey. Feel free to read my thoughts on life at replaced-url
2901[18:53:22] <stoned> ##
2902[18:53:34] <wsky> always discuss sin
2903[18:53:56] <wsky> (ye i'm aware it was a typo but i'm just fooling around)
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2908[18:55:56] <stoned> wsky: replaced-url
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2910[18:55:58] * petn-randall coughs and mumbles something about #debian-offtopic.
2911[18:56:07] <stoned> True.
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2966[19:19:53] <shortCircuit__> hi here
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2969[19:20:23] <shortCircuit__> has anyone used voyager ? and a virtualbox .. I am having trouble installing it
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2972[19:20:38] <sm00th> stoned, replaced-url
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2974[19:20:44] <sm00th> also this guy did not have success
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2976[19:21:19] <stoned> I don't use testing. I don't use rhythmbox. In fact, I don't even really use clementine much. I mostly use youtube.
2977[19:21:35] <sm00th> i figured as much
2978[19:21:39] <stoned> mytube.
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2980[19:21:52] <shortCircuit__> the virtualbox has only /dev/sda .. how do I partition it? into /dev/sda1 and sda2 with fdisk /dev/sda ?
2981[19:21:52] <sm00th> some stuff i listen too is not found online or on radio
2982[19:21:58] <sm00th> only in the deep web hehe
2983[19:22:02] <sm00th> not dark though
2984[19:22:12] <stoned> shortCircuit__: yes
2985[19:22:27] <sm00th> everyone is just like sheeps now
2986[19:22:30] <sm00th> rats in a maze
2987[19:22:34] <shortCircuit__> okies
2988[19:22:37] <sm00th> you call it mytube, but is it really?
2989[19:22:38] <sm00th> lol
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2992[19:22:45] <sm00th> facebook and twitter do the same shit
2993[19:22:55] <sm00th> they try to guide you
2994[19:22:57] <shortCircuit__> mytube? what are we talking?
2995[19:23:10] <sm00th> shortCircuit__, about how all the social media websites try to influence you
2996[19:23:16] <sm00th> under the guise they know what you want
2997[19:23:22] <sm00th> by your past habits
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2999[19:23:47] <shortCircuit__> ah .. good for ppl who actually use facebook and twitter to be social
3000[19:23:50] <sm00th> so look at something once they want you to look at more. and they will treat it like you love the shit.
3001[19:24:00] <sm00th> shortCircuit__, they aren't being social
3002[19:24:07] <sm00th> just talking about themselves while being brainwashed
3003[19:24:15] <shortCircuit__> ah
3004[19:24:16] <sm00th> a chatroom like this is more social
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3006[19:24:18] <jelly> sm00th: stick to tech support in this channel please.
3007[19:24:36] <shortCircuit__> I prefer human interaction
3008[19:24:42] <sm00th> facebook and twitter just are kind of narcissistic when you think about it
3009[19:24:44] <shortCircuit__> :D
3010[19:24:46] <sm00th> thats what its for
3011[19:24:51] <sm00th> probably why trump likes it so much too haha
3012[19:25:04] <sm00th> forums and chatrooms are more socila, and more like "word a mouth"
3013[19:25:08] <jelly> !offtopic
3014[19:25:08] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
3015[19:25:30] <sm00th> facebook and twitter are ways to subliminally try to influence your mind by corporations and gov'ts
3016[19:25:35] <sm00th> advertisers
3017[19:25:49] <sm00th> but then again, arab spring
3018[19:26:00] <sm00th> tks to Hillary lol
3019[19:26:03] <sm00th> and the college kids
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3023[19:26:07] <stoned> The reason why I even wanted clementine was b/c I dislike GTK
3024[19:26:27] <stoned> I asked in here a few months ago about a qt based music player that had build in radios and all that stuff
3025[19:26:33] <jelly> really. move your chatting to #debian-offtopic people
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3030[19:29:04] <stoned> These days, I use youtube-dl to download a bunch of GoaTrance albums from youtube, use ffmpeg to convert to mp3, and this directory is watched by google msuic so it uplaods the new mp3 files and you know, it's good. One little bash script and you get the file and transcode and upload. Then just download on phone on wifi and the listen offline and save data
3031[19:29:26] <stoned> With online services, hoarding music is... silly.
3032[19:29:37] <stoned> I'm just trying to save bandwidth
3033[19:29:45] <jelly> yeah, youtube-dl can be told to just grab audio and ignore video
3034[19:29:56] <stoned> Oh really.
3035[19:30:01] <stoned> That's helpful
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3038[19:30:53] <jelly> don't know how, I just mpv -no-video some yt song, it calls youtube-dl the appropriate way
3039[19:31:00] <stoned> replaced-url
3040[19:31:02] <stoned> reading
3041[19:31:11] <stoned> Ah.
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3043[19:31:42] <stoned> -x, --extract-audio --audio-format FORMAT Specify audio format: "best", "aac",
3044[19:31:47] <stoned> found it. Cool.
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3050[19:33:42] <stoned> Alright. Let's see what happens with youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 replaced-url
3051[19:34:24] <stoned> [ffmpeg] Destination: Shpongle - Ineffable Mysteries From Shpongleland [Full Album]-WZUfrMNqCQM.mp3 Oh man, I had to script that. I should have read the docs. Wicked.
3052[19:34:31] <wsky> stoned: you can get mp3 ootb with youtube-dl?
3053[19:34:48] <stoned> sure, here it is.
3054[19:34:52] <stoned> need to automate tagging using file name.
3055[19:34:56] <stoned> hm.. i wonder how.
3056[19:35:00] <wsky> i didn't know, i always was converting webm after it was downloaded
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3058[19:35:07] <wsky> stoned: -t
3059[19:35:16] <stoned> oh word, it has --add-metadata (youtube-dl)
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3061[19:35:32] <stoned> Parse additional metadata like song title /
3062[19:35:34] <stoned> artist from the video title.
3063[19:35:40] <stoned> This is excellent.
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3067[19:36:33] <wsky> heh they've released 4.7.2 right after i've downloaded 4.7.1
3068[19:36:41] <stoned> wsky: not title, google music doesn't use that from file name. I mean mp3 id3 tags
3069[19:36:49] <wsky> aaah
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3071[19:36:51] <wsky> i see
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3078[19:40:15] <shortCircuit__> ok I have created two partitions /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 2 and 6 Gig and formatted to ext4
3079[19:40:38] <stoned> I'm guessing for / and /home
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3081[19:40:46] <stoned> You think 2gb will be enough for / ?
3082[19:41:10] <stoned> shortCircuit__: what are you going to do with this vm?
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3085[19:41:20] <shortCircuit__> now should I add /dev/sda1 / ext4 defaults 0 0 and /dev/sda2 /home ext4 defaults 0 0 to /etc/fstab ? in my normal debian , I don't see any such entries in the /etc/fstab
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3087[19:42:00] <stoned> shortCircuit__: what are you trying to do? You created a vm with an hdd and made two partitions. Are you installing debian in there?
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3090[19:42:30] <shortCircuit__> I am actually trying to install voyager (a debian variation) inside a VM
3091[19:42:42] <stoned> Can't help you with anything but debian.
3092[19:42:43] <shortCircuit__> Oracle's VirtualBox to be exact
3093[19:42:58] <stoned> I don't know anything but Star Trek Voyager
3094[19:42:59] <shortCircuit__> its is debian,just trimmed down
3095[19:43:51] <missmbob> !based on
3096[19:43:51] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
3097[19:43:55] <missmbob> no, doesn't count
3098[19:44:23] <jelly> maybe the bot knows where to get help for it
3099[19:44:25] <jelly> !voyager
3100[19:44:34] <shortCircuit__> I am just asking how to partition in a VM , (I am on a very low bandwith, imagine 10kbps download rate) .. in debian the guide was there, I didn't know what went in the bkground
3101[19:44:49] <shortCircuit__> there is no voyager
3102[19:44:58] <jelly> too late!
3103[19:45:04] <shortCircuit__> oh god
3104[19:46:04] <jelly> but in any case, if it's for casual use you'll probably want a single big partition for almost everything and a small one for swap, maybe 1GB
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3106[19:46:41] <missmbob> plus it's based on ubuntu, btw. not debian.
3107[19:46:45] <jelly> an installation of debian 64bit with default GUI takes about 4GB
3108[19:46:52] <awal1> shortCircuit_, just create the partitions you want for your debian gest as you have done for you debian host. then instal starvoyager pkg
3109[19:47:03] <awal1> guest ^
3110[19:47:06] <stoned> !mmhr
3111[19:47:06] <dpkg> from memory, mmhr is #del#
3112[19:47:11] <stoned> O_o
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3114[19:47:29] <stoned> It used to be a link to meeting min hw req.
3115[19:47:44] <stoned> install guide
3116[19:48:28] <shortCircuit__> I was just asking for the fstab
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3118[19:48:41] <shortCircuit__> anyway
3119[19:49:01] <jelly> fstab is populated automatically, unless you're doing debootstrap
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3126[19:50:38] <shortCircuit__> hmm i see
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3129[19:51:23] <hassoon> 'sup
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3136[19:53:52] <CuteMeOwnThroat> missmbob, not this one: replaced-url
3137[19:54:33] <missmbob> there should not be two voyages :/
3138[19:55:28] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah, seems like the voyagerlive url is a completely different one... but that's also based on debian or ubuntu or a couple of others
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3143[19:55:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> still... makes it hard to write a factoid on it
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3146[19:56:07] <TomTomTo1> based on relations are transitive anyway :>
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3152[19:57:20] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh, wait voyager <-> voyage *rubs glasses, then rubs eyes*
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3154[19:58:11] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I still think he meant voyage, because of that "stripped down" comment
3155[19:58:26] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, voyage
3156[19:58:27] <dpkg> Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing list. replaced-url
3157[19:58:29] <CuteMeOwnThroat> ha
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3160[20:00:52] <bmomjian> Can someone explain what this kernel message means? Is it a bad ethernet adaptor or CPU, or neither? Both seem to be working fine now. replaced-url
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3162[20:01:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and not that one: replaced-url
3163[20:01:55] <jelly> bmomjian: hard to say, might be the driver or the hardware or the firmware
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3166[20:02:46] <bmomjian> This is Debian GNU/Linux 8.5 (jessie)
3167[20:02:48] <jelly> bmomjian: since it looks like a server board, try to update all the firmware (including the network cards, I guess) first
3168[20:02:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> bmomjian, mmh. all/most/many kernel traces containing "slowpath" are rather hard to pin down in their meaning
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3170[20:03:25] <jelly> bmomjian: how often does that happen?
3171[20:03:29] <bmomjian> when you say firmware, you mean the motherboard firmware or some OS firmware? I have the most current Debian patches.
3172[20:03:45] <jelly> motherboard and all other hardware
3173[20:03:50] <pfred1> bmomjian how can an OS have firmware?
3174[20:03:57] <bmomjian> let me check
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3176[20:04:11] <bmomjian> no idea but I thought the firmware was just for boot mostly
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3178[20:05:49] <bmomjian> it has happened only this one time since I have logs that go back to July 18
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3182[20:06:30] <jelly> bmomjian: ethernet cards have firmware, power management has firmware, acpi and smm run all the time, remote management...
3183[20:06:46] <bmomjian> oh, I don't think I have ever updated those.
3184[20:06:52] <petn-randall> bmomjian: I could trigger that bug via my e1000e Ethernet device when it was part of a network bridge. Do you have a similar setup?
3185[20:06:57] <CuteMeOwnThroat> bmomjian, could be that one: replaced-url
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3198[20:09:43] <bmomjian> the only change three weeks ago was to go to 1Gb ethernet switch from 100Mb.
3199[20:09:57] <bmomjian> I am not sure what a network bridge is
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3204[20:11:20] <bmomjian> I just read on this. Yes, it is doing bridging from the local network to the public network.
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3216[20:15:09] <shortCircuit__> after powerdowning a VM , the os that I installed in /dev/sda1 will stay or be wiped
3217[20:15:25] <bmomjian> Yikes, super-micro wants me to create a floppy, while there is no floppy drive on this system.
3218[20:15:31] <bmomjian> replaced-url
3219[20:15:31] <Pr0metheus> i restored an image of my debian system to a new SSD. I installed GRUB but now when i try to boot from the SSD get "Missing operating system". I did the grub-update as suggested on some sites but nothing changed. The odd thing is that it boots to the new disk if i set bios to boot from the old disk!
3220[20:15:51] <jelly> bmomjian: I can send this usb-floppy drive to you for just $200 + S/H
3221[20:15:54] * jelly hides
3222[20:16:05] <bmomjian> lol
3223[20:16:15] <bmomjian> Seems there is a cdrom you can burn.
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3227[20:17:00] <jelly> more seriously I'd worry only if it happens again, and then apply the setpci tuneup from one of the links above
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3229[20:17:43] <bmomjian> ok
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3233[20:18:43] <bmomjian> the cdrom is newer than my server; server is 2011, cdrom is 2012
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3236[20:19:45] <bmomjian> but that is just a driver cdrom; I assume it doesn't contain the new bios, but I can try.
3237[20:19:57] <jelly> did any apps notice the network issue?
3238[20:20:23] <bmomjian> nope, not that I can tell, and it all happened in the same second, the detect and reset
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3240[20:20:36] <jelly> does your board not have booting from image via remote mgt?
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3242[20:21:02] <jelly> I thought recent supermicros had decent IPMI remote management
3243[20:21:04] <bmomjian> It is this motherboard, still a good one: replaced-url
3244[20:21:37] <bmomjian> I have an IPMI card in there but never used it
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3246[20:21:52] <jelly> your bios says "2.1", the latest there says "2.1a", no changelog, no timestamp...
3247[20:22:08] <bmomjian> ah
3248[20:22:51] <bmomjian> where did you see 2.1a?
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3251[20:23:21] <bmomjian> ah, I see it
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3253[20:23:26] <bmomjian> on the bios update page
3254[20:24:06] <jelly> hp has MUCH nicer support pages even if they mess up the URLs every 6 months
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3259[20:25:09] <bmomjian> ah, the readme says: b). Extract the files to a DOS bootable device (such as a bootable USB stick, or CD).
3260[20:25:11] <bmomjian> so I can use a cd
3261[20:25:23] <bmomjian> not sure how to do bootable usb
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3265[20:26:46] <bmomjian> yikes, I have to boot Windows to install this; I don't have a Windows partition on this box
3266[20:27:28] <jelly> grab a bootable freedos usb image from the internets somewhere
3267[20:27:52] <bmomjian> wow
3268[20:28:01] <bmomjian> and if I make a mistake, I am down. Not fun.
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3270[20:31:21] <rudi_s> Hi. I'm trying to boot the debian installer in qemu with serial only. In the past I'd see the isolinux prompt and then could boot via serial. But I no longer get a prompt. Has something changed in the installer?
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3293[20:45:02] <Pr0metheus> guys i am really confused, i boot bios from /dev/sda, it shows me grub menu to chose where to boot from and then it goes to the os of /dev/sdc , i reinstalled several times grub on /dev/sda, any idea what to do?
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3314[21:00:05] <Tech_William> Hello all
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3316[21:00:53] <wsky> hello
3317[21:02:02] <oswriter> hiya
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3320[21:02:25] <hiya> hey
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3322[21:02:47] <tremon> Pr0metheus: what's the confusion? does it load the wrong os?
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3324[21:03:18] <Pr0metheus> tremon it loads for /dev/sdc but i want it to load from /dev/sda
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3328[21:04:17] <tremon> that's not an answer to my question. does it load the right os?
3329[21:04:27] <Pr0metheus> tremon no
3330[21:04:58] <tremon> ok, does it show the correct grub menu?
3331[21:05:06] <Pr0metheus> yes
3332[21:05:24] <tremon> i mean, does grub show the same kernel versions that are in /boot of the right os?
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3334[21:05:49] <tremon> what's the wrong os btw? two debian versions, or something else?
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3336[21:06:11] <shortCircuit__> in vbox everytime I run booting from hard disk , the filesystem becomes read-only and I have to do mount -o remount,rw /
3337[21:06:12] <shortCircuit__> why
3338[21:06:26] <Pr0metheus> i have two debian os, sda is a restored image of sdc, they have the same kernel version
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3340[21:06:45] <Pr0metheus> i reiinstalled grub on sda
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3342[21:07:10] <tremon> oh. if it's a block copy, they also have the same uuid I guess
3343[21:07:20] <Pr0metheus> no with fsarchiver
3344[21:07:22] <tremon> check with lsblk /dev/sd[ac]*
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3348[21:08:35] <Pr0metheus> u are right, uuid is the same
3349[21:09:14] <tremon> so what happens is that grab loads the kernel with root=<UUID here> argument, and the kernel mounts the first filesystem it finds with the correct uuid
3350[21:09:30] <tremon> I believe you can change the uuid with tune2fs, let me check
3351[21:09:42] <Pr0metheus> thanks tremon for your help
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3353[21:10:42] <tremon> yes, you can change a uuid with tune2fs -U random /dev/sd...
3354[21:10:53] <Pr0metheus> thanks again
3355[21:11:41] <ritztech> anyone have a good Cloud based way to send data/healthcheck stats every 5min to a location. and then pull from another source . I was thinking AWS IoT or azure but not sure if theres something API quick/fast
3356[21:11:45] <tremon> you can either change the uuid on your new (sdc) partition but then you must change both fstab and grub config too, or they will still load the wrong os
3357[21:12:10] <tremon> or you can change the old (sda) partition, which will work fine until you ever need to boot into that os
3358[21:12:30] <tremon> please do check the uuids of other partitions you have too
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3363[21:15:01] <Pr0metheus> tremon i get: tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda. Found a dos partition table in /dev/sda . I have formated it ext4
3364[21:15:11] <tremon> no, /dev/sda is the entire disk
3365[21:15:24] <tremon> your partitions are /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 etc
3366[21:15:31] <Pr0metheus> ops yes
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3423[21:56:48] <mirak_> hi
3424[21:57:13] <oswriter> hi there
3425[21:57:32] <mirak_> I there a way with grub, to chainload core.efi the same way it's possible to chainload core.img with bios with multiboot command ?
3426[21:58:03] <oswriter> I don't know. Can't say that I'm much of a grub expert.
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3429[21:59:25] <mirak_> I was doing in a menuentry { } something like "multiboot /@linux1/boot/grub/x86_64/core.img"
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3472[22:21:32] <tremon> mirak_: the docs (replaced-url
3473[22:21:59] <mirak_> tremon, i asked there first, but it's dead
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3475[22:22:53] <mirak_> tremon, I already went on this page, it doesn't talk about core.efi at all
3476[22:22:58] <mirak_> it's difficuylt to find
3477[22:24:20] <mirak_> I now it's possible to just load another grub.cfg with configfile, but if grub binaries changes you can have issues, I already had with lvm
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3479[22:25:25] <mirak_> but i think chainloader option should work, since it is what is used to load windows
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3481[22:25:47] <tremon> I think it should
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3484[22:26:04] <tremon> but chainloader expects to boot from a partition, right?
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3490[22:26:37] <exezin> Alright, so my buddy managed to get stretch installed and running
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3492[22:26:51] <exezin> one issue, there's no option for the correct resoultion (which should be 1920x1080)
3493[22:26:52] <pac_pc> hello o/
3494[22:26:53] <missmbob> !debian-next
3495[22:26:53] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3496[22:26:58] <missmbob> exezin: ^^
3497[22:27:03] <exezin> oh
3498[22:27:05] <exezin> well I mean
3499[22:27:08] <exezin> this is just a general issue, but ok
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3502[22:27:28] <exezin> (it's been an issue on ubuntu, and lubuntu)
3503[22:28:04] <exezin> (It's nothing specific to unstable)
3504[22:28:11] <BillK[GR]> exezin, did he install gpu's drivers?
3505[22:28:19] <exezin> He's on intel hd 530
3506[22:28:34] <exezin> What would he even need to install?
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3510[22:29:00] <exezin> Last time we tried to get drivers installed it essentially bricked the system
3511[22:29:07] <exezin> started booting to a black screen with no tty or anything
3512[22:29:18] <tremon> mirak_: in "supported boot targets" on that page, it says that chainloading efi bootloaders is supported
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3514[22:29:41] <mirak_> tremon, yes
3515[22:30:14] <mirak_> tremon, but that doesn't explain the difference between grub.efi or core.efi , but i will manage to make something work
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3517[22:30:50] <tremon> have you tried simply doing "chainloader /path/to/core.efi"?
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3519[22:31:20] <BillK[GR]> exezin, what the max resolution that he can apply?
3520[22:31:31] <exezin> Appears to be 1024x768
3521[22:31:36] <exezin> xrandr output -> replaced-url
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3526[22:35:30] <exezin> lspci -v | grep VGA -> replaced-url
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3528[22:36:23] <BillK[GR]> exezin, maybe try "xrandr --addmode DP-1 1920x1080"
3529[22:36:39] <exezin> worth a shot
3530[22:36:53] <tremon> exezin: have you read replaced-url
3531[22:37:05] <pac_pc> any xorg config based solution?
3532[22:37:19] <exezin> tremon: Uh, what am I meant to be looking at?
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3536[22:38:12] <tremon> apparently you need a kernel cmdline option to enable support for the newest intel chipsets
3537[22:38:28] <exezin> tremon: oh really?
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3539[22:38:36] <tremon> that's what it says
3540[22:38:37] <exezin> Do you happen to know what that is/how to add it?
3541[22:38:44] <exezin> That link you gave doesnt take me anywhere
3542[22:38:49] <exezin> just to what appears to be the home page
3543[22:39:13] <tremon> argh. remove the trailing ? from the link
3544[22:39:23] <exezin> Ah sorry
3545[22:39:42] <bipul> I have umask 0002 and i am log in as bipul, and i created a file say file, which has permission, -rw-rw-r-- 1 bipul bipul file, Now i set ACL permission setfacl -m m::6, Now when i am trying to change the group owner permission with chmod 744 file, then i suppose i am updating the mask value as 4 , and there will be no changes in group owner permission. it is true?
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3547[22:40:07] <exezin> tremon: He is on stretch though, which is kernel 4.6 iirc, does this still apply?
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3551[22:40:45] <tremon> don't know. stretch support is in #debian-next, and I have no intel gfx here to test
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3554[22:41:04] <exezin> alright
3555[22:41:05] <tremon> the article is a year old, but it can't hurt to try
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3557[22:41:56] <jelly> and #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not here
3558[22:42:00] <tremon> it does match your problem description: "You'll get a low resolution display and fall-back to the LLVMpipe Gallium3D driver."
3559[22:42:52] <stoned> bipul: replaced-url
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3562[22:43:08] <exezin> tremon: yeah, we'll give it a shot and see what happens
3563[22:43:15] <exezin> Can't hurt at this point, we've been trying for two weeks
3564[22:44:54] <BillK[GR]> exezin, after two weeks I would have certainly trashes the installation...! Your friend is either very patient or not knowledgable enough :P
3565[22:45:25] <exezin> We've tried about 4 or so different distros
3566[22:45:29] <exezin> spanning various kernel versions
3567[22:45:39] <pac_pc> both I guess :P
3568[22:45:40] <exezin> tried installing drivers, adding custom modes with xrandr, editing xorg.conf
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3570[22:45:42] <exezin> etc etc
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3572[22:45:45] <redabhr> hello
3573[22:45:51] <exezin> Thus far, nothing has worked
3574[22:46:02] <tremon> you may also need a firmware package (firmware-linux-free probably, not sure)
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3576[22:46:12] <redabhr> i have a high disk activity without any real usage
3577[22:46:14] <exezin> tremon: We'll also try that ^^
3578[22:46:53] <wsky> redabhr: are you using kde?>
3579[22:47:22] <redabhr> no
3580[22:47:27] <redabhr> gnome
3581[22:47:39] <redabhr> i launched iotop
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3583[22:47:44] <redabhr> i see jdb2/sda2-8 99%
3584[22:47:52] <wsky> i'm asking cause nepomuk is known for taking up resources with indexing
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3586[22:48:23] <redabhr> 99.99% IO and 0.00 B/s in read and write
3587[22:48:27] <exezin> replaced-url
3588[22:48:34] <exezin> Trying to install firmware-linux-free results in that
3589[22:48:43] <wsky> well look into iotop and see what's working
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3591[22:48:55] <wsky> redabhr^
3592[22:48:56] <tremon> exezin: apparently it's firmware-misc-nonfree: replaced-url
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3597[22:49:12] <exezin> Righto, will also install that. Thanks
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3599[22:49:35] <tremon> you'll need to enable the non-free repository for that, if you don't have it yet
3600[22:49:52] <pac_pc> ah
3601[22:50:02] <exezin> tremon: ah of course, thanks
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3609[22:51:35] <redabhr> i have [jdb2/sda2-8] taht have [99.99%] wsky
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3611[22:52:14] <wsky> redabhr: ok but which process is taking it up
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3613[22:52:56] <redabhr> you want that i kill the process ?
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3615[22:53:11] <tremon> jdb2 is a kernel thread, best not try to kill it
3616[22:53:16] <wsky> i want you to find out which process is causing that
3617[22:53:18] <tremon> jbd2 that is
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3627[22:57:04] <redabhr> i have just that replaced-url
3628[22:57:55] <tremon> redabhr: this happens after a reboot too?
3629[22:58:07] <redabhr> yep always
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3633[22:58:21] <redabhr> and sometimes system freeze
3634[22:58:26] <jelly> skylake & newer need firmware for intel gpu don't they
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3636[22:58:45] <tremon> redabhr: when's the last time you ran a full fsck (with -f) ?
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3638[22:58:55] <exezin> alright, added both of those packages and that kernel option
3639[22:58:57] <exezin> still no luck
3640[22:59:20] <exezin> replaced-url
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3644[23:00:06] <tremon> exezin: maybe take it to #drm, gfx developers there
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3647[23:00:53] <redabhr> tremon, 3 hours ago but without -f
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3649[23:02:46] <exezin> tremon: that on freenode?
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3651[23:03:06] <tremon> exezin: I thought it was, yes
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3653[23:03:21] <exezin> hm, apparently not
3654[23:03:22] <tremon> oh probably it's #dri
3655[23:03:25] <exezin> oh ok
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3658[23:03:53] <exezin> hm, maybe not
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3660[23:03:59] <exezin> handful of users and no topic?
3661[23:04:22] <tremon> yes should be #dri: replaced-url
3662[23:04:42] <exezin> oh alright, I'll give it a shot
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3667[23:06:21] <exezin> This is getting old
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3669[23:06:30] <exezin> windows is starting to look like the only option :/
3670[23:06:38] <tremon> redabhr: please do retry with -f, to rule out any filesystem corruption
3671[23:07:25] <tremon> jbd2 should not be doing anything on its own, there should be another process creating I/O for jbd2 to process
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3676[23:09:15] <redabhr> okay
3677[23:09:24] <redabhr> after fsck -f
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3680[23:09:51] <tremon> maybe install atop, run as root and press 'd' to view all disk activity by process
3681[23:09:54] <redabhr> how to know the process that create I/O for jbd2 ?
3682[23:09:59] <redabhr> emm ok
3683[23:10:04] <redabhr> i'll try that
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3685[23:10:28] <tremon> I'm not familiar with iotop, it should be able to show the same
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3687[23:10:47] <tremon> next would be to really do performance tracing with sysstat and sar
3688[23:11:23] <tremon> but I've only ever used that once, I can only point you in the general direction, then you're pretty much on your own :)
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3695[23:15:22] <tremon> btw I presume you've already checked in dmesg, no journal messages logged there?
3696[23:16:15] <redabhr> emm a process called rsyslogd
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3702[23:17:33] <tremon> lol. that's the log system. do a tail -f /var/log/* and see which file is overactive
3703[23:18:14] <redabhr> okii :D
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3713[23:21:17] <redabhr> i have lot of something like that Aug 20 22:20:23 h2o kernel: [20878.828109] jbd2/sda2-8(111): WRITE block 8857712 on sda2 (8 sectors) ....
3714[23:21:20] <redabhr> somethings*
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3716[23:22:04] <jelly> redabhr, you enabled /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
3717[23:22:52] <jelly> it's amusing how debugging what uses the disk... can generate a lot more usage of disk
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3719[23:23:21] <jelly> disable it by setting back to 0
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3721[23:25:11] <tremon> so... the disk activity was caused by jdb2 logging its own disk activity logging its own disk activity logging its own disk activity?
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3723[23:26:50] <tremon> it's even explicitly mentioned here: replaced-url
3724[23:27:00] <tremon> "Note that it will cause massive output in dmesg, so consider stopping syslog."
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3727[23:28:21] <jelly> or set the log destination to somewhere other than local disk
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3730[23:28:57] <tremon> true
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3734[23:29:52] <redabhr> oki i will try to fix that
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3736[23:30:08] <wsky> hm that's the first time i've ran atop
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3744[23:32:41] <redabhr> jelly i do echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
3745[23:32:42] <redabhr> to disable it ?
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3752[23:33:28] <jelly> yes
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3757[23:34:08] <jelly> or `sysctl -w vm.block_dump=0`
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3759[23:34:14] <daveyjonesy> This might be a bit of a weird question, I've been using debian for a while now but I don't feel like I am learning anything. I end up having to follow guides for pretty much every installation and configuration. I mean, how do you learn to install programs without reading through the documentation line by line figuring out how to install. It seems
3760[23:34:15] <daveyjonesy> nothing is ever that consistent
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3763[23:34:41] <daveyjonesy> How did you all become competent?
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3768[23:35:32] <jelly> daveyjonesy, don't follow guides, read the actual documentation
3769[23:36:33] <daveyjonesy> jelly, ok I'll avoid guides in future. Any other tips? I'm just struggling a bit...
3770[23:36:46] <daveyjonesy> I just feel like everything is so convoluted
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3773[23:38:14] <jelly> that's because it is. Maybe you need to learn some OS basics.
3774[23:38:43] <tremon> daveyjonesy: maybe it is. there may also be a reason for it (or not). what feels convoluted to you?
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3777[23:38:55] <andrew_____> Hi all. I'm trying to set up Deluge on Debian, but having trouble with systemctl and/or config. Deluge does not work after a reboot, although 'systemctl status deluged' shows it as "active (running)." Any pointers on where to look? I can post a link to the related documentation if I'm allowed.
3778[23:39:07] <jelly> maybe realize linux distros are actually a thousand different pieces of software stuck together with spit and baling wire
3779[23:39:08] <daveyjonesy> Perhaps I do need to go back to the basics
3780[23:39:18] <jez9999> daveyjonesy: if you don't want convoluted, use windows 10. but microsoft will own your PC. :-)
3781[23:39:30] <wsky> andrew_____: it's probablu running a headless part of the application
3782[23:39:33] <tremon> please be aware though that debian (more than any other distro) is a toolset, not a finished product
3783[23:39:34] <wsky> probably*
3784[23:39:44] <wsky> andrew_____: a so called "deamon"
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3786[23:39:58] <daveyjonesy> I do use Windows as well, but I'm using debian for server related functions
3787[23:40:01] <wsky> the part without the user interface
3788[23:40:08] <pingfloyd> daveyjonesy: what's so hard about installing debian?
3789[23:40:17] <jez9999> daveyjonesy: oh and they will reboot when THEY want :-)
3790[23:40:19] <daveyjonesy> pingfloyd, nothing
3791[23:40:33] <petn-randall> tremon: That's, like, your opinion, man.
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3793[23:41:05] <jelly> petn-randall, the polite thing is to call it a "platform"
3794[23:41:17] <daveyjonesy> I just found the process for installing sonarr/couchpotato/plex/samba/etc. tedious, each program needing to be installed in different ways and configured to autorun differently
3795[23:41:24] <pingfloyd> tremon: it's a finished product
3796[23:41:27] <andrew_____> Right, that's the intended outcome. A headless server. How should I configure it then, to allow it to work appropriately? Remove the "-d" in ExecStart?
3797[23:41:40] <pingfloyd> tremon: finished more than many other distros since they actually test things well
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3799[23:41:47] <andrew_____> And thanks for your prompt response, wsky!
3800[23:41:58] <jelly> daveyjonesy, sounds about right, esp. when you're dealing with apps not present in the distro at all
3801[23:42:24] <wsky> andrew_____: if the daemon process runs it does work appropriately
3802[23:42:41] <wsky> andrew_____: it's just the user interface that does not get fired
3803[23:43:15] <wsky> andrew_____: and i'd rather not remove the -d option from your systemd config file since it wont be able to work at all because being unable to connect to Xorg
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3805[23:43:21] <tremon> daveyjonesy: debian does have a standard process for installing software, and that works fine for the 20,000 packages prepared by debian itself. It even allows for easy extensibility by third-party vendors
3806[23:43:27] <jelly> daveyjonesy, 5 years from now, samba setup will probably look similar and you'll have your notes for that, but there will be three other new components to deal with
3807[23:43:29] <andrew_____> Sorry, I should provide some more information. I'm connected to the Debian server via putty. I don't intend to use the GUI at all.
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3811[23:43:55] <wsky> andrew_____: what you might want to do is adding a shortcut to the binary during your DE startu[p
3812[23:44:12] <wsky> andrew_____: ok then you probably want just the web ui
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3814[23:44:43] <pingfloyd> daveyjonesy: debconf takes care of the bulk of configuration
3815[23:44:48] <wsky> andrew_____: if deluge is configured to provide it (because it has such feature) then you should be abale to view it with netstat -lpn
3816[23:45:04] <wsky> i mean the port and address it's listening at
3817[23:45:31] <wsky> then you typically would want to use your webbrowser from that point
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3819[23:45:37] <TomTomTo1> tremon: 56,864 :P
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3821[23:46:29] <daveyjonesy> tremon, pingfloyd - I agree
3822[23:46:31] <andrew_____> Right, I did have deluge-web set up as well. But I cannot connect to the server itself using the Deluge client either, and therefore the web UI doesn't work either. I'm sure it's something simple I'm missing in the config.
3823[23:46:43] <andrew_____> Here's the documentation I followed: replaced-url
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3827[23:47:15] <wsky> andrew_____: well i'm a rtorrent guy so i'm not that sure but best look into the app documentation or contact their support
3828[23:47:31] <andrew_____> I had it working perfectly on my Raspberry Pi running Raspbian, but it used init.d scripts which is now obsolete. Systemctl is proving tricky.
3829[23:47:47] <jez9999> Is there a command to list the ciphers currently enabled in sshd?
3830[23:47:47] <wsky> andrew_____: you didn't provide not much information too
3831[23:47:56] <wsky> you just said "web ui does not work", andrew_____
3832[23:47:56] <daveyjonesy> The issue that andrew_____ is experiencing is kinda what I mean
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3834[23:48:23] <wsky> possibly it's running on a non-standard ip port?
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3836[23:49:04] <wsky> have a look at netstat -lpn and see what ports and addresses are being used by the deluge server
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3840[23:49:54] <pingfloyd> daveyjonesy: have you seen configure-debian?
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3843[23:50:49] <daveyjonesy> pingfloyd: I've seen the commands before, but never really understood them
3844[23:51:58] <pingfloyd> daveyjonesy: apt-cache show configure-debian
3845[23:52:15] <andrew_____> Sorry, to clarify: I didn't originally say/mean the web UI is not working. It's not, but that's second to the server itself not working. Deluge allows you to connect to it with either the client software, or the web UI if it's set up. Neither are working, but I'd like to get the client software connecting to the server, I should be able to figure out the web UI portion thereafter. I will get you a netstat output in a minute.
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3851[23:55:10] <andrew_____> replaced-url
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3853[23:55:43] <andrew_____> The port should be 58846. Interestingly, python seems to be using it...
3854[23:56:05] <pingfloyd> andrew_____: did you run the netstat command with root privs?
3855[23:56:12] <andrew_____> Yes
3856[23:56:13] <wsky> andrew_____: deluge is a python application.
3857[23:56:27] <jelly> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:58846 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 504/python
3858[23:56:32] *** Quits: v3g4n (~v3g4n@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3859[23:56:34] *** Quits: volk__ (~volk@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
3860[23:56:35] *** Quits: dtux_ (~dmtucker@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3861[23:56:38] <wsky> andrew_____: and since python is a scripting language it's the interpreter process who initiates it
3862[23:56:39] <andrew_____> Fair enough. It just seems odd it's labelled as such, instead of 'deluged'
3863[23:56:54] <wsky> andrew_____: ok, are the ports open in your firewall
3864[23:57:28] <jelly> andrew_____, your app seems to be configured to bind to the localhost (127.0.0.1) ip only by default
3865[23:57:30] <wsky> andrew_____: you can post iptables -L on another pastebin
3866[23:57:48] <jelly> so it's only visible from that host itself at this time
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3869[23:58:29] <jelly> reconfigure it to listen on an address you can access with the client
3870[23:58:57] <andrew_____> It's running locally in my network. The Deluge client software is running on a Windows 7 machine. In fact, both those machines are running on an ESXi server - all on the same network. No firewall restrictions.
3871[23:59:02] <wsky> jelly: i see it listens both on internal and external ports
3872[23:59:25] <jelly> wsky, where do you see that?
3873[23:59:30] <andrew_____> iptables output replaced-url
3874[23:59:33] <wsky> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:59862 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 504/python
3875[23:59:34] <jelly> only one line for :58846
3876[23:59:36] <wsky> for instance here
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3878[23:59:55] <missmbob> andrew_____: preferences->daemon->allow remote connections
3879[23:59:58] <wsky> jelly: those ports are randomized for each interface
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