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15[00:07:21] <tty0_> Is IceCat available in debian's main repo?
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20[00:08:53] <themill> tty0_: no, icecat is not in debian
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59[00:26:02] <Akuw> hi, i have problems to print only pdf files, i can't print any file, but can't print pdf files
60[00:26:31] <Toba> i think 'can't print any files' would typically imply that you can't print pdf files
61[00:26:35] <Toba> what?
62[00:27:03] <Akuw> i can print libreoffice files, of web pages
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64[00:27:19] <Akuw> but when try to print pdf files printer don't print
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66[00:27:29] <Akuw> doesn't print
67[00:27:38] <Toba> can you print a very simple pdf file
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69[00:27:52] <Toba> it could be total RAM available in your printer
70[00:28:14] <Toba> that's all I can think of
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74[00:28:49] <Akuw> let me try with simple pdf
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79[00:30:20] <Akuw> nothing
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87[00:31:25] <Toba> if it helps, printers are demons sent from hell to hurt us
88[00:31:34] <Akuw> hehehehe
89[00:31:46] <Toba> did you try making a pentagram out of salt around the printer?
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94[00:32:48] <Akuw> Toba: what?
95[00:33:11] <Toba> Not a real suggestion :p
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97[00:33:18] <Toba> Sorry for joking around, it won't help you
98[00:33:54] <Akuw> Toba: no problem, my printer is a joke
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101[00:34:46] <teclo-> yeah some people think Unix is the work of the devil because you have to type chmod 666
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103[00:37:02] <Akuw> teclo-: hehehe very good joke
104[00:37:25] <teclo-> and there are daemons
105[00:37:52] <Akuw> teclo-: some people may thing a sex things because chmod 069 i know 9 is nota possible value
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107[00:38:17] <teclo-> its is even rumoured that by performing a specific ritual with Unix, the Prince of Darkness will appear
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110[00:38:58] <humbot> dad get off the internet
111[00:39:48] <Akuw> ok
112[00:39:53] <Akuw> i got it
113[00:40:26] <nevyn> Akuw: what app are you printing from?
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115[00:40:50] <nevyn> Akuw: did you try just running it directly into cups (views tend to try and get complicated and screw things up)
116[00:41:06] <nevyn> man cupsdoprint
117[00:41:15] <Akuw> ok, what i did was i printed as file.ps then open and print
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119[00:41:50] <nevyn> why didn't you print from the viewer?
120[00:42:11] <Akuw> i was using Okular
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123[00:42:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> for whoever thought that last banter was offtopic... it made me actually find devilspie in the repos
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125[00:43:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> which at least looks extremely useful
126[00:43:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> Akuw, and printing a .ps worked?
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129[00:44:22] <aedinius> pdftops file.pdf - | lp
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144[00:50:24] <Akuw> no man
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146[00:50:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> so your original statement that only printing pdf doesn't work is wrong
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164[01:00:02] <veverak> hi folks, I have system runing virtual servers (jessie running another jessies) home setup... what is proper way to backup .qcow2 files of that virtuals?
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166[01:00:12] <veverak> I mean, I can't propably just rsync them when they are online?
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185[01:06:09] <jrcharney> exit
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192[01:09:14] <petn-randall> veverak: Difficult, depends on what your failure scenario is, how important it is to get them back up, etc. Easiest case is probably to snapshot them and backup the snapshots.
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194[01:09:45] <petn-randall> veverak: I have a couple of machines that I just backup with bacula as if they were physical machines.
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201[01:12:05] <veverak> petn-randall: thanks!
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203[01:13:17] <veverak> damn it
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205[01:13:55] * veverak got http virtual, on that is sshfs another virtual and from that I have opened folder in nemo
206[01:13:57] <veverak> can't copy
207[01:14:05] <veverak> (files)
208[01:14:10] <veverak> will be funny :)
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251[01:30:21] <rootd00d> anyone have xfce suspending when they close their lid? it used to just turn off the display, but now it actually suspends.
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259[01:33:48] <awal1> aptitude show pkgname have a lined "installed: yes/no" , what about apt-cache? I'm a bit lost. doesn't have that feature?
260[01:33:58] <awal1> a line ^
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263[01:34:15] <axc1298> apt-cache policy
264[01:34:57] <awal1> rootd00d, under wheezy, xfce doesn't suspend right, but under jessie problem solved
265[01:35:37] <rootd00d> awal1: it's sid...
266[01:36:14] <awal1> yeah apt-cache policy does the job I know, but wondering why not with show
267[01:36:30] <rootd00d> awal1: it worked fine until very recently. the power settings are pretty clear about what the behaviour should be, so i'm wondering if there's something else that's snuck on here.
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270[01:37:10] <themill> awal1: they are different tools designed to do different things.
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272[01:37:54] <awal1> root00d, I just connected, so i dont know what you were talking about, but in my sid machine xfce4-power-manager works fine for all what is supposed to do
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275[01:39:38] <awal1> themill, ok. so apt-cache haven't that feature. I tought I was missing something, some option /argument. thanks
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278[01:40:00] <axc1298> awal1: you could also be asking why does aptitude not have "that feature" that apt-cache does with policy. it's two sides to the same coin. they are different programs
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281[01:41:58] <civillian> irssi
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285[01:43:19] <awal1> axc1298, aptitude versions pkgname is similar to apt-cache policy, but ok, I got you ;)
286[01:43:57] <themill> axc1298: that's not "aptitude show"
287[01:44:09] <themill> awal1: ^^
288[01:44:15] <axc1298> my mistake then, i haven't used aptitude for that
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294[01:46:01] <linuxnoobie> Hi everyone.
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298[01:46:26] <awal1> ok guys, diffirent feature, different design, both helpful :)
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308[01:49:24] <linuxnoobie> I have a question for you guys. I just bought a new laptop which came with Windows 10 installed. I installed Deepin (which is based on Debian Sid) as a second operating system, but I can't seem to boot in it and i also can't see the menu to choose between them.
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310[01:49:51] <linuxnoobie> I am asking here because there is no one in the Deepin channel.
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314[01:52:06] <SHS_C> Hi
315[01:52:09] <markybob> linuxnoobie: we can't help you
316[01:52:12] <markybob> !based on debian
317[01:52:12] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
318[01:52:28] <markybob> linuxnoobie: not even debian sid is supported here
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320[01:53:08] <linuxnoobie> Thanks for letting me know, markybob.
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357[02:11:11] <armin> anyone an idea how i could obtain a screenshot (preferably using the "scrot" utility) of an xdm login window (the whole screen of it)?
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378[02:18:40] <weilancys> I repartitioned my flash disk with 2 primary NTFS partitions using fdisk, then mkfsed them, but later when I plug it in my pc windows, only the first partition showed up, what could be the problem? thanks.
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383[02:20:04] <weilancys> both partitions can be mounted on linux and written successfully.
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387[02:21:00] <dvs> weilancys, you made two primary partitions?
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398[02:24:33] <weilancys> yes, dvs, two primary partitions.
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400[02:25:00] <dvs> that's why
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411[02:27:54] <weilancys> I used a dos format partition table, not a gpt. I also tried to have only one primary partition and an extended one with two logical partitions on it, it turned out that only the first primary partition showed up in windows too. I will try it again, thanks anyway.
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413[02:28:18] <dvs> one of each
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436[02:41:41] <awal1> armin, create a script
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441[02:43:57] <markybob> armin: replaced-url
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456[02:53:35] <nevyn> weilancys: how big is the drive?
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458[02:53:57] <nevyn> weilancys: and how big are the partitions.
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461[02:55:27] <weilancys> it's a 3.7Gib flash disk, the first primary partition is 1Gib, the second is the rest of the available.
462[02:55:36] <weilancys> nevyn.
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465[02:56:12] <nevyn> that should be ok
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473[03:02:28] <k_sze[work]> Are user passwords always hashed the same way? i.e. can I copy a password hash from debian system to another and then I can just login using the same password?
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478[03:04:20] <markybob> k_sze[work]: generally. there are ways to change it and really old versions of linux have used different means so you can't put it into a new box
479[03:04:57] <k_sze[work]> markybob: suppose the source and the target are both running Debian 8.
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482[03:05:17] <markybob> k_sze[work]: then you should be able to
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491[03:08:09] <id10t> k_sze[work], i /joined after your question... what are you trying to migrate box to box?
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494[03:08:58] <markybob> k_sze[work]: really all you have to worry about is having UID/GUID matching
495[03:09:14] <dvs> id10t, passwords
496[03:09:32] <id10t> aaahhh...
497[03:10:20] <id10t> how hack-ish do you want to get? ie, set up a script that prompts for password change on system 1 and updates/sets system 2 at same time? tehn force a pw change on your users...
498[03:10:50] <markybob> id10t: i think we've covered it.
499[03:10:57] <id10t> k
500[03:11:46] <id10t> be interested to know what you've planned, i know how much duct tape keeps 3 different auth sources in synch at work
501[03:11:55] <id10t> fortunately not my monkey and not my circus
502[03:12:00] <johnkeates> SSSD + PAM does
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511[03:17:40] <armin> awal1, markybob: got it, ty.
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566[03:43:42] <awal1> How I can check via terminal which utilities 'util-linux includes'?
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568[03:44:01] <markybob> awal1: dpkg -L util-linux
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572[03:45:00] <awal1> markybob, great, thanks
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576[03:47:29] <jim> does the coreutils package have info pages? I'm looking for the article on file permissions
577[03:47:55] <awal1> I always had to record (video file) for re-check terminal sessions but util-linux have a simple and nice utility "script" which can do the same job just fine
578[03:48:11] <jim> searched the bot, searched apt-cache... no joy yet
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583[03:49:32] <dvs> jim: man chmod?
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585[03:51:18] <jim> I guess there's something there too, I was hoping for the one the gnu people did using info pages (which should have been included in the source tarball from ftp.gnu.org)
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587[03:52:04] <jim> dvs, iirc, it's better writing
588[03:52:09] <abrotman> jim: depending on the original license, could be in non-free
589[03:52:35] <jim> because it could be gfdl?
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593[03:53:14] <abrotman> yes
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595[03:54:04] <jim> ok... a related issue, is I couldn't find it querying the udd... probably I have the filename wrong
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598[03:56:59] <themill> did you try "info chmod"?
599[03:57:02] <jim> wait, I just found it
600[03:57:15] * dvs stares at themill
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603[03:57:57] <themill> (or alternatively, the command listed at the bottom of the man page; both work)
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605[03:58:26] <jim> themill, no but I should have,,, found it using dpkg -L coreutils, it's in the file /usr/share/info/coreutils.info.gz
606[03:58:48] <jim> which means info coreutils would have worked
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642[04:12:49] <karlpinc> jim: Er, see the very last line of "man chmod". :-)
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650[04:14:35] * icemodding hi all
651[04:15:05] <jim> karlpinc, already found it, long way around... btw, very last line reads: GNU coreutils 8.23 March 2015 CHMOD(1)
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656[04:16:38] <karlpinc> jim: (Yeah yeah. The very last line of actual text.)
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661[04:17:28] <karlpinc> jim: I always wind up typing "info" and then do a ctrl-s to search.
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664[04:18:08] <jim> for bash for example, the package with the info pages is bash-doc
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667[04:18:27] <jim> so I was trying to find something like that
668[04:19:05] <karlpinc> jim: They all seem to be *-doc, execpt for emacs where the package name is really wonky. But some just don't have a -doc. The docs are built-in.
669[04:19:42] <jim> that is pretty wonky
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671[04:20:28] <karlpinc> jim: I once filed a bug report. Never heard back. You're welcome to chime-in and give moral support. :-)
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675[04:22:19] <jim> well as you probably know, there's something of a resistance to the whole info format... and I notice people get triggered when I say things like "sometimes the info pages are better written and more easily read"
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680[04:23:44] <jim> it could be the basis for that resistance is ucb vs mit, at its core
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683[04:24:02] <sheppyh2> Guys, moving from Windows as my main os to debian, one thing I'm struggling with is app management I.e. I downloaded Firefox manually to /opt and created sym links to sbin etc and added it to my gnome environment shortcuts etc but how does one go about keeping all these manually installed apps up to date?
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689[04:24:52] <karlpinc> !tell sheppyh2 about dontbreakdebian
690[04:25:01] <karlpinc> !tell sheppyh2 about overview
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692[04:25:14] <sheppyh2> Lol :)
693[04:25:15] <jmcnaught> sheppyh2: the Iceweasel package in Debian *is* firefox, just renamed due to a trademark dispute (there's a wikipedia article about it).
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696[04:25:40] <Miga> isn't it going to be renamed back to Firefox in the next version?
697[04:25:42] <sheppyh2> I know that, ignore Firefox, insert ambiguous app here
698[04:25:46] <jim> sheppyh2, there's a firefox/iceweasel (debian rename, recently vacated) that lets you install firefoxes that were built against the libs in your (and other) debian versions
699[04:25:50] <karlpinc> sheppyh2: I'd especially recommend replaced-url
700[04:25:56] <jmcnaught> sheppyh2: so you can keep Iceweasel and everything else installed from the Debian repositories using apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic
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702[04:26:23] <sheppyh2> So if I stick to packages, apt-get update will keep them all up to date?
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706[04:26:31] <karlpinc> sheppyh2: Yup.
707[04:26:35] <sheppyh2> Okay I see
708[04:26:41] <jim> it should yes
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710[04:26:53] <karlpinc> sheppyh2: Even better, you can upgrade to the next major release easily by following the release notes (of the next release.)
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712[04:27:10] <karlpinc> sheppyh2: No re-install etc. etc. necessary.
713[04:27:19] <sheppyh2> Karlpinc by becoming part of a mailing list or?
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715[04:27:39] <karlpinc> sheppyh2: There's a debian-announce mailing list that's useful.
716[04:27:41] <jmcnaught> sheppyh2: since you're just getting the hang of things, two introductory books that are free: replaced-url
717[04:27:41] <jim> oops gotta go.. peace.
718[04:28:11] <sheppyh2> That's cool Karl and jmc, thanks for the info
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721[04:28:51] <karlpinc> sheppyh2: Some use the unattended-upgrades package to keep up with security updates.
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723[04:29:34] <jmcnaught> sheppyh2: in particular the Windows habit of downloading software from random websites and running an installer is best avoided in Debian. You can obviously still do it, but sticking to the repos will save you from problems.
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725[04:30:01] <sheppyh2> I agree
726[04:30:19] <sheppyh2> So, if I can sign in to Firefox and get all my bookmarks I'm happy
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728[04:30:45] <sheppyh2> And you can sweet
729[04:30:52] <sheppyh2> Okay I'll stick with packages
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734[04:31:58] <karlpinc> sheppyh2: And this channel is a great resource when you're stuck.
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736[04:33:26] <sheppyh2> Yeh, i used to love IRC about 10 years ago lol, only just recently realised how good freenode is
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739[04:34:09] <sheppyh2> I was always on quakenet - I sold gameservers there!
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742[04:36:08] <sheppyh2> So I used to use x chat or hexchat, if you use iceweasel does that mean you use empathy too? :)
743[04:36:34] <melt> hexchat
744[04:38:10] <sheppyh2> Wow, so easy to install. Then I get warned of running as root "running IRC as root is stupid!" I lolled haha
745[04:38:32] <sheppyh2> I didn't mean to do that
746[04:38:59] <sheppyh2> Usually I use sudo, but I've been using su on debian for some reason
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748[04:39:36] <karlpinc> sheppyh2: It does not matter much. Sudo is not exactly like su though. If I have to use sudo I always do "sudo su -". :-)
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753[04:40:03] <jmcnaught> i usually do "sudo -i" to get a root shell with sudo
754[04:40:39] <sheppyh2> Haha, fair enough I always get sick of writing sudo
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757[04:41:35] <karlpinc> sheppyh2: It's not that so much as that sudo eliminates an extra layer of authentication, and does not set stuff like $PATH unless you fuss with it (as jmcnaught does.)
758[04:42:40] <sheppyh> ah i see
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762[04:43:16] <karlpinc> sheppyh: There are good reasons to use sudo, but that's mostly not why sudo is used.
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765[04:43:51] <sheppyh> good to know I'm not being stupid like opening IRC as root when I do su and work in root terminal then :)
766[04:44:50] <karlpinc> sheppyh: If you work from the console you may find vts handy.
767[04:44:56] <karlpinc> !tell sheppyh about vt
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769[04:45:48] <karlpinc> sheppyh: And for remote sessions look into "screen".
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779[04:48:51] <sheppyh> okay wtf haha
780[04:49:05] <sheppyh> following this vt thing I press ctrl+alt+F1 and my screen went black!
781[04:49:12] <sheppyh> trying to figure it out
782[04:50:14] <sheppyh> okay I'll google that
783[04:50:21] <sheppyh> what was the dontdestroydebian
784[04:50:34] <sheppyh> !tell sheppyh about dontdestroydebian
785[04:51:19] <somiaj> !don't break debian
786[04:51:20] <dpkg> from memory, dont break debian is replaced-url
787[04:51:25] <sheppyh> ah
788[04:51:32] <somiaj> sheppyh: also /msg dpkg factoid (you don't need to tell yoyurself)
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793[04:53:05] <sheppyh> nice to see the debian wiki working again it was permission denied all weekend made installing a nightmare!
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795[04:53:33] <sheppyh> I'm running in an ESXi VM with radeon gpu passthrough and it was hard to get working
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798[04:54:34] <sheppyh> ohh I got a really good question I've been egging to ask
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800[04:55:25] <sheppyh> I need to make a patch to drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_bios.c and recompile
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802[04:55:49] <sheppyh> do I need to recompile the whooole kernel (which seems to take an hour or 2) or can I just compile the one driver/module
803[04:56:02] <karlpinc> sheppyh: That sounds over-complicated. Perhaps ask here about your problem.
804[04:56:30] <karlpinc> sheppyh: Stuff like that will keep you from being able to upgrade.
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809[04:57:36] <somiaj> karlpinc: could it be a newer kernel from jessie-backports would be enough. Also why do you need this patch?
810[04:57:39] <somiaj> arg
811[04:57:41] <somiaj> sheppyh: ^^
812[04:58:23] <sheppyh> that's okay, I'm using the proprietary AMD driver at the moment and want to switch to the open source driver, ESXi doesn't pass through the BIOS of the GPU for some reason and I get ERROR could not locate BIOS ROM. The patch I've found allows it to look for a bin file - that bin file can contain the BIOS of the GPU
813[04:58:27] <karlpinc> Having to redo your own kernel (or module) is the sort of thing that will break on update, even basic kernel security updates.
814[04:58:53] <karlpinc> !tell sheppyh about kernel handbook
815[05:00:12] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: is it ESXi giving you the erro about not locating BIOS ROM? Or is it a message you see during linux startup about a missing firmware?
816[05:00:18] <sheppyh> heres the bug: replaced-url
817[05:00:25] <sheppyh> linux startup
818[05:00:31] <sheppyh> found it via dmesg
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821[05:01:22] <sheppyh> my error if you'd like to read: replaced-url
822[05:01:41] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: i didn't read the whole bug, but considering it was closed as fixed almost three years ago i suspect patching might be unnecessary
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825[05:02:04] <somiaj> sheppyh: the radeon free driver still needs non-free firmware.
826[05:02:10] <sheppyh> so that patch just tells it to look for a bin file instead of poll the GPU for the BIOS: request_firmware(&fw, "radeon/vbios.bin", rdev->dev);
827[05:02:33] <sheppyh> yes somiaj that's true, I've installed that
828[05:02:37] <somiaj> sheppyh: it could be you just need the non-free firwmare for the radeon gpu or a newer kernel (with the newer non-free firwmare)
829[05:04:47] <sheppyh> I've followed this: replaced-url
830[05:05:13] <sheppyh> and having followed that I have the unable to locate bios error. I was referred to that patch via VMware forums so assuming its a passthrough issue
831[05:05:17] <somiaj> sheppyh: and this is in jessie?
832[05:05:20] <sheppyh> yes
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835[05:05:42] <sheppyh> im happy to apply the patch to test it
836[05:05:57] <sheppyh> but cba with hours of compiling if I can just recompile the driver in minutes
837[05:05:58] <somiaj> before patching your own kernel, I'd see if the 4.3 kernel from jessie-backports (and maybe the firmware-linux-nonfree package from there) fix the problem.
838[05:06:19] <sheppyh> okay I'll give it a go
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840[05:07:31] <sheppyh> I'll build a new VM for it tomorrow - finally got a good installation so going to try and keep this one stable :)
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843[05:10:30] <sheppyh> as simple as add: deb replaced-url
844[05:11:10] <sheppyh> oh -t jessie-backports
845[05:11:47] <dvs> sheppyh, you need to do an update first
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848[05:12:37] <sheppyh> yeh sorry. Okay thanks for your help, its 4:15am so I gotta sleep....
849[05:13:14] <sheppyh> I have like 10 tabs of reading homework for tomorrow morning lol
850[05:13:33] <somiaj> sheppyh: also don't just blindly upgrade to jessie-backports. Only install the packages you want from it (by default packages will not be installed from that repo)
851[05:13:51] <somiaj> hence the -t jessie-backports install packagename
852[05:14:03] <sheppyh> sure - not going to always be stable I guess
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856[05:14:51] <sheppyh> I'm meticulous with removing packages I don't need too half the reason I've switched to debian
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859[05:15:30] <sheppyh> trying to get a system to a point where I can understand almost everything that's going on within it which means slimming right down to the basics :)
860[05:15:42] <sheppyh> quite interested in building a Linux From Scratch to understand more
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886[05:39:21] <well_laid_lawn> linux from scratch taught me to appreciate package managers
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900[05:45:32] <jerichodotm> what is the correct name of the horizantal bar at the bottom of the screen where open apps are shown?
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909[05:48:15] <TomTomTosch> jerichodotm the taskbar? or the panel in kde me thinks.
910[05:48:18] <Waste> Might depend on the desktop your using? In xfce you can have "panels" for example, which are in effect, the same as the windows taskbar
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913[05:48:26] <jmcnaught> they're gone
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915[05:48:33] <TomTomTosch> :'(
916[05:48:51] <mms_> I have postfix related query hope this is right group. replaced-url
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919[05:49:43] <mms_> I am trying to setup posffix to send email out using gmail smtp and get error as shown in my paste. main.cf config and mailq error are shown.
920[05:49:52] <mms_> if any thing else needed please ask
921[05:50:39] <jmcnaught> mms_: the lines from /var/log/mail.log relating to the message failure would help
922[05:51:23] <jmcnaught> mms_: gotta take my dog out, but i'll be back. there's also #postfix
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934[05:57:03] <mms_> thanks let me try both
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956[06:08:02] <mms_> I have provided mail.log and tried to use suffix .db for sasl error I got earlier but seems it also did not resolve
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961[06:10:25] <austeregrim> TomTomTosch, took the mirror to work this morning. worked great... had to install apache and configure it to make the repo available... but i got it working, and can update the repo on a regular basis.
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964[06:11:36] <austeregrim> thought it would be easy to just point my kali linux box to that repo and update to debian main packages... broke things, broke more things, but I've got it working... a frakenstein machine for now.
965[06:12:03] <jmcnaught> mms_: i didn't see your mail.log, i'm not in #postfix right now. did you run postmap on your sasl credentials file?
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972[06:14:20] <jmcnaught> mms_: oh.. i didn't see the log entries at the end of your paste, my mistake
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974[06:15:37] <jmcnaught> mms_: lines 78 and 80 are complaining about the file not being there. line 79 is saying it cannot connect to smtp.gmail.com (Network unreachable)..
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982[06:17:49] <jmcnaught> mms_: what are the permissions on the /etc/postfix/sasl directory ?
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990[06:20:50] <TomTomTosch> austeregrim, \o/
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997[06:23:06] <TomTomTosch> austeregrim, but i do sure hope i didn't help set up some super secret military research facility somewhere in the desert.
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1004[06:27:44] <mms_> owner root and postfix process also running as root.
1005[06:28:08] <jmcnaught> mms_: and does the .db actually exist? it would be made by running postmap on the plaintext version of the file
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1007[06:28:27] <mms_> ok .db did not exist
1008[06:28:52] <mms_> since I did not find it I renamed sasl_passwd with suffix
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1011[06:30:41] <jmcnaught> mms_: replaced-url
1012[06:31:00] <mms_> ok
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1050[06:48:51] <mms_> jmcnaught: I updated the pastebin with results. now get some gmail related sasl error.
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1052[06:49:28] <jmcnaught> mms_: what's the link?
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1055[06:50:33] <mms_> replaced-url
1056[06:50:41] <mms_> I have not moved file into /etc/postfix
1057[06:50:47] <mms_> your note under important
1058[06:51:02] <mms_> after running postman I need to move that .db file ?
1059[06:51:19] <mms_> because I kept it as per main.cf path
1060[06:51:35] <mms_> else I guess I need to update the main.cf property paths too ?
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1062[06:51:42] <jmcnaught> mms_: it's only important that the file is where you say it will be in main.cf, it's fine in /etc/postfix/sasl. What lines do you want me to look at in your paste?
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1064[06:52:02] <mms_> very end
1065[06:52:06] <mms_> let me tell
1066[06:52:34] <mms_> 174 onwards
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1069[06:53:07] <jmcnaught> mms_: seems to me like an authentication failure, did you click the link in the error message?
1070[06:53:15] <mms_> yes
1071[06:53:26] <mms_> it said then enabled
1072[06:53:37] <mms_> brought me to some google page
1073[06:53:47] <mms_> let me click again
1074[06:54:36] <jmcnaught> mms_: i would at least try the suggestion of logging into gmail with that account in a web browser
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1076[06:55:25] <mms_> ok I just did now
1077[06:55:49] <mms_> and it brings me to some page with google related things like settings etc.
1078[06:56:08] <mms_> let me try again and see if it helps else will try to login to gmail to read email and see if that works
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1091[07:02:21] <mms_> I have also tried to turn on sign from less secure app feature but still seems it fails postfix
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1098[07:05:17] <jmcnaught> mms_: this could be a gmail specific problem. do you have any other email accounts you could test with? Do you have any special characters in your password?
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1104[07:06:04] <mms_> no special chars. I have yahoo a/c
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1106[07:06:34] <mms_> let me check whats the yahoo smtp server if I can use that.
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1111[07:09:36] <mms_> jmcnaught: mails have started coming
1112[07:09:53] <mms_> I think I had to logout of myaccount.gmail.com and login
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1114[07:10:09] <mms_> I did that and I think it made things work
1115[07:10:13] <mms_> thanks for help
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1117[07:10:48] <jmcnaught> mms_: you're welcome. sounds like it could be a little fragile, best of luck keeping it going
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1177[07:38:42] <vickycq> apt-get stuck at [0% Working] after changing 'http' to 'https' in sources.list
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1180[07:39:04] <vickycq> My other machine uses the same mirror with https and works fine.
1181[07:39:07] <vickycq> Any ideas?
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1201[07:46:22] <awal1> once installed (xwayland/weston), xorg is disabled, need to configure them or what? No idea about all that ...
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1210[07:49:59] <jmcnaught> vickycq: do you have apt-transport-https package installed?
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1219[07:53:09] <awal1> "by xorg disabled" I meant "which xorg stuff are disabled"
1220[07:53:57] <ttyrnpuu> Hello. replaced-url
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1228[07:59:07] <vickycq> jmcnaught: Thanks! Indeed this is the problem. I installed apt-transport-https and https works fine now. ;-)
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1231[08:00:22] <jmcnaught> ttyrnpuu: check out the bind mounts secion of "man mount"
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1233[08:01:49] <jmcnaught> ttyrnpuu: oh and Ubuntu isn't supported here. You should be asking in #ubuntu or ##linux
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1288[08:26:03] <GAM002> help
1289[08:26:06] <GAM002> ?
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1291[08:27:42] <GAM002> requesting help
1292[08:27:46] <GAM002> hello?
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1297[08:28:11] <jmcnaught> !ask
1298[08:28:11] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1302[08:28:50] <GAM002> my source list is here
1303[08:28:52] <GAM002> replaced-url
1304[08:28:59] <GAM002> do i need to add anything?
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1308[08:29:03] <GAM002> and how to get steam?
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1310[08:29:31] <GAM002> 64 bit
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1314[08:31:11] <jmcnaught> GAM002: for the primary repo you are only getting "main", but on security and updates you are getting "main" and "contrib". For steam you will probably need "main contrib non-free" on all of them.
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1319[08:31:51] <GAM002> can you show me?
1320[08:31:55] <jmcnaught> GAM002: see replaced-url
1321[08:32:04] <GAM002> do i need to remove all the current one and add non-free?
1322[08:32:17] <GAM002> or add another one with contr non-free?
1323[08:32:52] <jmcnaught> GAM002: make yours look like the example i linked to, pay attention to the bullet point below the example
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1326[08:34:23] <jmcnaught> GAM002: then you will want to the follow the instructions at replaced-url
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1328[08:34:32] <GAM002> ok
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1331[08:35:28] <GAM002> is this how it should be?
1332[08:35:30] <GAM002> replaced-url
1333[08:35:36] <GAM002> can you check if its correct
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1335[08:35:41] <GAM002> ?
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1341[08:36:33] <jmcnaught> GAM002: yeah but you have jessie-updates twice on lines 17 and 22. the one on line 17 is missing non-free, so remove it
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1345[08:37:42] <jmcnaught> GAM002: oh and on lines 8 and 10 you have contrib twice.
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1347[08:38:28] <GAM002> so which one should i use?
1348[08:38:35] <GAM002> can you do it for me and paste it ?
1349[08:38:38] <GAM002> XD
1350[08:38:48] <GAM002> please
1351[08:39:06] <r6ku> do it yourself
1352[08:39:12] <jmcnaught> GAM002: start fresh with the example i linked you to. make sure each line has "main contrib non-free" at the end.
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1358[08:40:34] <jmcnaught> GAM002: if you find this difficult to do I recommend you read some more introductory docs, like replaced-url
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1362[08:43:01] <GAM002> should i remove these two lines?
1363[08:43:04] <GAM002> deb replaced-url
1364[08:43:06] <GAM002> # deb-src replaced-url
1365[08:43:12] <GAM002> or add non free?
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1370[08:44:25] <jmcnaught> GAM002: did you look a the replaced-url
1371[08:44:30] <shortCircuit__> hi
1372[08:44:42] <shortCircuit__> vamp here ...
1373[08:44:51] <GAM002> yes
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1375[08:45:22] <GAM002> i did looked at it
1376[08:45:28] <shortCircuit__> apt : Depends: libapt-pkg4.12 (>= 1.0.9.8.2) but 1.0.9.8.1 is to be installed how to fix this? I did a dpkg -i apt_1.0.9.8.2.deb and now this error occurs and I can't get the 1.0.9.8.1 version :(
1377[08:45:28] <apt> that's too long, shortCircuit__
1378[08:45:33] <jmcnaught> GAM002: that example is only 6 lines. each line ends with "main". like the bullet says below the example, add "contrib non-free" after the word "main" on each of the six lines.
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1381[08:46:04] <GAM002> so should i remove all lines exept those 3 lines?
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1385[08:47:14] <jmcnaught> GAM002: compare the example and your file, reflect on the instructions, repeat until it makes sense.
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1389[08:47:33] <GAM002> -_-
1390[08:47:39] <r6ku> GAM002: just take the example sources.list, add contrib and non-free to all lines and use it
1391[08:47:48] <shortCircuit__> \o/ i am drowning
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1393[08:48:09] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell shortCircuit__ about bat
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1395[08:48:28] <GAM002> this is how it looks currently
1396[08:48:31] <GAM002> replaced-url
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1399[08:49:15] <shortCircuit__> o.O bat as in .bat ?
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1401[08:50:02] <jmcnaught> GAM002: i don't see why you think it is easier to find errors in your messy file, than to start fresh based on the example in the wiki. Are you afraid of losing something if you start over? Make a backup.
1402[08:50:18] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: did you get the message from the dpkg bot? bat means "basic apt troubleshooting"
1403[08:50:29] <GAM002> i am formating the 8 th time this month
1404[08:50:38] <GAM002> :(
1405[08:50:52] <shortCircuit__> no
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1407[08:51:01] * r6ku is impressed
1408[08:51:02] <shortCircuit__> I am googling
1409[08:51:10] <jmcnaught> !bat
1410[08:51:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1412[08:51:26] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: please do this stuff ^^
1413[08:52:10] <shortCircuit__> ok
1414[08:52:14] <GAM002> can you guys please tell me if i need this line at all?
1415[08:52:16] <GAM002> deb replaced-url
1416[08:52:18] <GAM002> deb-src replaced-url
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1420[08:52:40] <GAM002> or do i need to add something to it or remove it?
1421[08:53:28] <jmcnaught> GAM002: replace your file with the one in the example. add "contrib non-free" to the end of each six lines in the example. then you are done.
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1424[08:53:56] <GAM002> wait it that line a mirror link for
1425[08:53:58] <GAM002> deb replaced-url
1426[08:54:00] <GAM002> deb-src replaced-url
1427[08:54:02] <GAM002> this?
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1430[08:54:39] <GAM002> k i do that
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1434[08:54:57] <jmcnaught> GAM002: i'm talking about replace your entire /etc/apt/sources.list (because it has multiple errors and is confusing you) with a new file that has the six lines in the example on the wiki
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1440[08:56:38] <shortCircuit__> replaced-url
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1445[08:57:15] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: link is broken for me. can you use replaced-url
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1449[08:57:39] <shortCircuit__> that's sad.. ok pastebinning
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1459[09:00:01] <shortCircuit__> replaced-url
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1464[09:01:16] <GAM002> replaced-url
1465[09:01:21] <GAM002> getting a errror
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1468[09:01:54] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: thanks. part 3 of <bat> is "apt-cache policy" (without package names in the arguments)
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1474[09:02:34] <GAM002> ok i think i fixed it my self
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1476[09:02:40] <shortCircuit__> I tried a apt-get install -f it said it will uninstall stuff that might affect my system .. wait pasting
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1478[09:03:08] <jmcnaught> GAM002: replaced-url
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1480[09:03:26] <GAM002> i fixed it
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1482[09:03:31] <GAM002> problem solved
1483[09:03:38] <shortCircuit__> replaced-url
1484[09:03:42] <jmcnaught> GAM002: glad that you figured it out
1485[09:03:53] <GAM002> tnx
1486[09:03:57] <GAM002> XD
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1488[09:04:35] <shortCircuit__> how to install this replaced-url
1489[09:04:47] <shortCircuit__> I unzip it and then there is a folder
1490[09:05:01] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: wait, you probably don't want to do that at all
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1499[09:06:37] <shortCircuit__> oh
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1501[09:07:01] <shortCircuit__> I wished I could do a git reset --hard :D
1502[09:07:23] <GAM002> is aptitude and apt same?
1503[09:07:31] <GAM002> apt-get
1504[09:07:36] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: you've got some non-Debian repositories. can you paste that "apt-get install -f" output you were talking about
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1507[09:08:07] <jmcnaught> GAM002: all three are different programs that work on the same repositories, but each one has different features
1508[09:08:17] <GAM002> k
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1510[09:08:26] <shortCircuit__> replaced-url
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1514[09:10:14] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: yikes, definitely don't want to do that
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1516[09:10:46] <TomTomTosch> shortCircuit__ if you have something ubuntu going on in your system there will be no fixing broken.
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1521[09:11:50] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: agreed. that replaced-url
1522[09:12:23] <shortCircuit__> let me try installing libapt-pkg4.12
1523[09:12:46] <shortCircuit__> I have that toolbelt and elasticsearch and chrome I think
1524[09:12:53] <shortCircuit__> non debian
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1527[09:14:05] <awal1> so guys, how to try wayland under debian?
1528[09:14:12] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: you could try commenting out all of the non-Debian repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.list.d/* then run "apt-get update"
1529[09:14:17] <shortCircuit__> that slack-desktop app is the root of all problems, have I never tried to install it , never would I have got an replaced-url
1530[09:14:35] <awal1> installing 'weston' and 'xwayland' also? or xwayland not needed?
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1536[09:15:58] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: if "apt-get update" works, you could try 'aptitude search "?obsolete"' for a list of packages that can no longer be downloaded (third party packages)
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1539[09:18:37] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: you should probably also check that important packages especially libc6 are the official Debian versions using "apt-cache policy"
1540[09:18:42] <shortCircuit__> ok
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1542[09:19:03] <shortCircuit__> at first the update wasn't working
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1544[09:19:12] <shortCircuit__> I installed that lipapt
1545[09:19:33] <shortCircuit__> and now it seems to work . the update is going on .. still haven't faced errors
1546[09:19:49] <shortCircuit__> I hope that the system runs after a reboot :P
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1550[09:21:05] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: proceed with caution when it comes to using third-party non-Debian repositories. sometimes they can cause your system to break, not always at first but maybe with an update.
1551[09:21:13] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: checkout replaced-url
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1555[09:23:33] <shortCircuit__> if that is the case how would one install elasticsearch or chrome?
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1558[09:24:12] <jmcnaught> ,v elasticsearch
1559[09:24:13] <judd> Package: elasticsearch on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.0.3+dfsg-5+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.6.2+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.3+dfsg-3; sid: 1.7.3+dfsg-3
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1561[09:25:22] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: for chrome you could use chromium, or Iceweasel which is Firefox
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1563[09:25:54] <TomTomTosch> shortCircuit__, you can install chrome, but as jmcnaught said, proceed with caution. it's a better idea to use software that is supported by debian.
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1566[09:28:06] <TomTomTosch> shortCircuit__, from over 40k packages you will most likely find a good alternative that is guaranteed to not break your system.
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1569[09:29:08] <TomTomTosch> shortCircuit__, and sources that are not meant for your debian distro are a no-no anyway.
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1637[10:04:09] <^v> How do I upgrade my x11 to direct x 12
1638[10:04:14] * ^v runs
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1645[10:08:31] <deanc> Morning. I have a windows machine, running debian inside virtual box. Inside that Debian VM I have an ssh tunnel to a remote host. to connect to that tunnel i ssh from any other machine into the remote, and then type ssh -p <port> 127.0.0.1 and it allows me to ssh in.
1646[10:08:52] <deanc> This is all well and good, but it appears that debian is going to sleep at times and i can't connect
1647[10:09:11] <deanc> When I check the VM, it's showing the time, as if it's idling and power saving but i can't find anything that's causing this
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1650[10:09:18] <deanc> Sometimes just moving the mouse around and typing a bit wakes it up
1651[10:09:26] <deanc> Sometimes i have to kill the tunnel, and start it again
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1654[10:10:08] <^v> I'm on mobile so I can't Google it for you
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1656[10:10:38] <^v> I did this once for my dedi (which is actually a laptop) so it never sleeps
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1660[10:11:09] <^v> I forgot what I did but it's on the wiki somewhere
1661[10:11:14] <TomTomTosch> deanc, could it be your energy settings in windows? i know nothing in debian that would simply shut down the connection without you configuring it to do so.
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1663[10:11:32] <deanc> Windows is definitely not doing anything like that, i have persistent IRC and stuff on the machine
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1665[10:11:56] <deanc> I am running the tunnel in debug mode
1666[10:12:05] <deanc> when i check what's going on when this occurs it says something about it being "free"
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1670[10:12:34] <deanc> Right now im tunnelled in and it says "debug1: channel 1: connected to localhost port 22"
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1672[10:12:44] <deanc> but when this occurs and i check the window, it mentions it being free
1673[10:12:52] <deanc> oddly I'm now able to ctrl + c the terminal too
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1678[10:14:02] * _replaced-url
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1682[10:16:21] <AlwaysHi-> im trying to get replaced-url
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1685[10:17:38] <Walakea> are the tips here: replaced-url
1686[10:17:57] <Walakea> i am running jessie 8.3 on a laptop
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1690[10:19:18] <^v> Walakea, i guess those are already implemented by default, it really depends on what you have installed
1691[10:19:47] <^v> if you want to identify things to speed up, it tells you to use bootchart2 pybootchartgui
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1696[10:21:27] <Walakea> it seems weird to me that Win 8.1 booted in about 5-7 s; Debian in 30 s
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1701[10:22:25] <revolution> ciao a tutto il canale
1702[10:22:27] <revolution> !
1703[10:22:31] <revolution> !list
1704[10:22:31] <dpkg> revolution: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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1796[11:02:26] <p4trix> I have a debian server. By default the only is the root user. If I create soemthing, my web apps dont have write permissions. Is there a way to CHOWN to like a public scope even though no other user exists?
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1802[11:04:40] <humbobodoll> aren't there system users and groups there?
1803[11:04:49] <p4trix> humbobodoll, only root
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1808[11:08:09] <p4trix> ut -d: -f1 /etc/group This gives a bunch of groups thouhg... So I gues there are groups
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1810[11:08:59] <humbobodoll> grep replaced-url
1811[11:09:59] <napnap> Hi all, I run xen 4.4.1 under debian. I have a dual 80003ES2LAN ethernet controller but I'm able to run only one of them. I don't understand why the second one not working, it is a physical problem or software ??? I have any bad logs...
1812[11:10:02] <napnap> Strange thing : on the switch side I see bad mac address . replaced-url
1813[11:10:28] <napnap> if anyone can give me hints to found the problem... I tried to run a newver version of e1000e driver but the problem remain.
1814[11:10:28] <p4trix> humbobodoll, replaced-url
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1816[11:11:29] <p4trix> humbobodoll, so "chown replaced-url
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1819[11:12:24] <matthep> Hello, Do you know a Web MUA ? Webmail that let me to use different SMTP servers ?
1820[11:14:11] <humbobodoll> there should be a faq for your apps, perhaps in /usr/share/doc/<package_name>
1821[11:15:35] <humbobodoll> normally one would configure virtual hosts and other configs in /etc/apache2 or wherever your replaced-url
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1826[11:17:33] <p4trix> Yeaa, I did that. And it works fine. But I have only worked as root so far. So the config files are owned by root and the apps cant overwrite it.
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1831[11:19:43] <Iridos> judd, versions ls
1832[11:19:44] <judd> No package named 'ls' was found in amd64.
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1834[11:20:05] <Iridos> judd, versions coreutils
1835[11:20:06] <judd> Package: coreutils on amd64 -- squeeze: 8.5-1; wheezy: 8.13-3.5; jessie: 8.23-4; sid: 8.25-2; stretch: 8.25-2
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1840[11:21:22] <p4trix> humbobodoll, "chown replaced-url
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1857[11:26:35] <humbobodoll> ooh
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1884[11:41:04] <tako> Hello, how can i use steam with Bumblebee
1885[11:41:17] <tako> when i optirun steam i'm getting this error Couldn't find bootstrap, it's not safe to reset Steam. Please contact technical support.
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1889[11:43:37] <joff> sffffs
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1892[11:44:39] <joff> guys
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1895[11:44:56] <joff> explain this to me pls
1896[11:45:14] <joff> ~$ free -m -h
1897[11:45:14] <joff> total used free shared buffers cached
1898[11:45:14] <joff> Mem: 6.8G 1.6G 5.3G 25M 62M 599M
1899[11:45:14] <joff> -/+ buffers/cache: 937M 5.9G
1900[11:45:14] <joff> Swap: 14G 0B 14G
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1906[11:46:14] <joff> replaced-url
1907[11:46:17] <joff> and now
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1909[11:46:29] <joff> after opening virtualbox
1910[11:46:59] <joff> and *SETTING MEMORY RAM FOR THE WINDOWS_32 VM * as 2Gb max
1911[11:47:12] <joff> and booting this machine
1912[11:47:13] <tako> joff, what is your problem
1913[11:47:14] <joff> I get
1914[11:47:28] <joff> >_> still explaining
1915[11:47:44] <markybob> !enter
1916[11:47:44] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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1918[11:48:08] <joff> replaced-url
1919[11:48:27] <joff> dpkg makes it harder for me to read what I have written
1920[11:48:27] <dpkg> joff: have you tried replaced-url
1921[11:48:52] <joff> I mean I tried not to sware
1922[11:48:53] <joff> but
1923[11:49:03] <tako> markybob, replaced-url
1924[11:49:14] <joff> how *THE F.UCK* does that even closely relates to my problem?
1925[11:49:47] <markybob> okay. /ignore
1926[11:50:06] <joff> this is not a linux specific documentation
1927[11:50:38] <joff> its a very , probably much more general, problem - in case you haven't understood yet...I'll re-iterate
1928[11:51:10] <joff> I am allocating 2Gb RAM to my windows 32 bits vm
1929[11:51:47] <joff> yet, my memory consumption raises to 4.9Gb after booting the vmn
1930[11:51:49] <joff> vm
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1932[11:51:56] <joff> this is the problem
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1941[11:58:19] <MemBa> Hi guys
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1943[11:59:12] <MemBa> could anyone tell me why my wget cannot download from sourceforge ? i try keep cookies and useragent but the answer is always 403 forbidden
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1946[11:59:54] <markybob> MemBa: are you using quotes?
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1948[12:00:13] <teraflops> MemBa: Pastebin the url you're trying to download
1949[12:00:16] <nikitasius> hello folks! who can help me: i need software to check regexp on debian with handy GUI. sed or grep not so handy. And i don't want to install AdobeAIR fro regexp from gskinner.. Did someone know such soft to test regexp?
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1951[12:00:46] <MemBa> teraflops : replaced-url
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1953[12:00:58] <MemBa> wget --keep-session-cookies --no-proxy --no-check-certificate -U "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/48.0.2564.116 Safari/537.36" replaced-url
1954[12:01:14] <MemBa> just one of my trys ;(
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1957[12:02:27] <teraflops> MemBa: tried via browser?. It times out here
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1959[12:02:40] <tako> anyone using steam with bumblebee ?
1960[12:02:42] <markybob> MemBa: that wget works here
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1962[12:02:59] <markybob> MemBa: a few redirects first though
1963[12:03:05] <tako> i dont find any document about this on internet
1964[12:03:10] <MemBa> teraflops : try again sometimes the timeout appears
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1966[12:03:27] <teraflops> Hmm it times.out here
1967[12:03:50] <MemBa> markybob : hmm i dont understand at my location i get always an 403
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1969[12:04:32] <markybob> MemBa: replaced-url
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1971[12:05:10] <MemBa> i trust you but i dont understand ...
1972[12:05:32] <markybob> *shrug* sf sucks
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1974[12:07:21] <teraflops> Heh
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1976[12:07:34] <MemBa> markybob : Whats your dns ?
1977[12:07:41] <markybob> MemBa: google
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1980[12:07:55] <teraflops> MemBa: wget "replaced-url
1981[12:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1580
1982[12:08:22] <teraflops> MemBa: nah the site is busy or buggy or just crap.
1983[12:08:25] <MemBa> AHHHH.... hmm
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1993[12:11:14] <teraflops> Lol it.does a few redirections
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1995[12:12:19] <nikitasius> replaced-url
1996[12:12:53] <nikitasius> i;ve made a copy. check md5/sha1 after. ask someone here to post theirs md5/sha1
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2001[12:14:11] <MemBa> hmm i changed my network from business to private (an other router) now it works but i dont know why the firewall is ok do not block something
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2003[12:14:49] <nikitasius> MemBa i've not downloaded from home, but i;ve got it via server. Seems they have some problems.
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2017[12:16:24] <nikitasius> MemBa: replaced-url
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2020[12:16:31] <teraflops> replaced-url
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2024[12:17:49] <nikitasius> teraflops: exact
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2029[12:18:39] <nikitasius> lol, people changed sex online, holytechnologies... -- | Melkior is now known as jouana
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2034[12:19:02] <tako> i need help i cant my nvdia card on steam games :(
2035[12:19:06] <jouana> nikitasius: ?
2036[12:19:33] <nikitasius> jouana male nickname for female nickname (changed gender, joke) :-)
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2039[12:20:22] <jouana> nikitasius: jouana for jouana_a or jouan antoine it was my nickname in faculty then ok
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2041[12:21:09] <nikitasius> jouana: nevermind, just for positive:)
2042[12:21:39] <MemBa> on my debian laptop it works on my debian server it doesnt work ...
2043[12:21:52] <MemBa> resolv.conf is the same
2044[12:21:58] <markybob> MemBa: it's not you. i promise. sf just sucks
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2047[12:23:40] <nikitasius> MemBa: if you have problems to download something, ask people and google sha1/md5 and check it. Best way.
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2051[12:25:17] <MemBa> hmm ok thx
2052[12:25:36] <teraflops> Hmm sf has been boght i received an email yesterday
2053[12:25:51] <teraflops> Bought
2054[12:25:56] <nikitasius> teraflops: emm??
2055[12:26:06] <nikitasius> sourceforge?
2056[12:26:09] <markybob> yeah i read about that. along with slashdot (same company)
2057[12:26:16] <teraflops> nikitasius: yep
2058[12:26:25] <MemBa> but i get this error on each site
2059[12:26:53] <nikitasius> ohholyshiii~
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2061[12:27:53] <nikitasius> so people will leave on github etc.
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2064[12:29:05] <nikitasius> thats a great way to host own small free hosting for devs. with rsync (ssh) and CloudFlare as dns.
2065[12:29:09] <nikitasius> *as CDN
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2068[12:29:48] <nikitasius> as i know, github have limit issues with traffic (can block downloads when too much traffic)
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2075[12:32:14] <Falcoris> hi
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2079[12:33:47] <Falcoris> In order to patch all of our servers running debian 6 to 8, i'm encountering a problem with the apt popup that asks for a confirmation to restart services related to libc to apply the update. I just cannot find an option to aptitude/apt-get that would autosay yes to that question, which prevents me from deploying it via ansible. Any idea ?
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2081[12:35:06] <Mikaze> Hello. Where do I learn how to re/config the network without breaking everything (more than it's already broken)? I'd like to correct whatever happened when I switched to a static IPv4 /etc/network/interfaces file when the system was set up for IPv6 (which I didn't want in the first place).
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2086[12:37:00] <Mikaze> Should I ask in #Ubuntu?
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2128[12:54:22] <rafalcpp> hi, I'm developing a program that uses libboost. But even in newest version that exists, libboost is broken (or lacks a function that is very needed)
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2131[12:54:58] <rafalcpp> perhaps I will create own version of libboost (kind of fork). That will probably in 1 year enter official libboost, so would be in debian stable in like 4 years
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2136[12:56:06] <rafalcpp> what would be most friendly to debian approach to this? In general the source code will be downloading (e.g. from git) the version of libboost that we need, and build it locally and link with that
2137[12:56:37] <ksk> Falcoris: "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" and "aptitude -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confnew" -y safe-upgrade"
2138[12:56:43] <ksk> if you want new configs obviously
2139[12:57:37] <rafalcpp> the program could statically link to our imporved version for example,
2140[12:57:47] <rafalcpp> or we could pack our own libboost-serialize-fix1 or something
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2146[13:00:32] <ion_cebotari> Hello, can you please help me with a routing problem? I have two networks. One is 192.168.12.0/24 and the second is 192.168.22.0/24. Both are connected to the Internet via routers - 192.168.{12,22}.254. Between the networks I have different gateways - 192.168.12.101 and 192.168.22.241 on he other side. My problem is that on the 192.168.12/24 network the computers use the router as a gateway instead of the 192.168.12.101 router.
2147[13:00:42] <ion_cebotari> Please see replaced-url
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2169[13:08:57] <Roland-> hi, any network guys here?
2170[13:09:06] <teraflops> ^
2171[13:09:13] <Lowl3v3l> Roland-, just get your question out directly ;)
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2173[13:09:37] <Roland-> I setup a vlan, and then a bridge. Added 3 nics to that bridge + vlan, but those nics TAG the vlans, and my frames are discarted
2174[13:09:41] <Roland-> discarded
2175[13:10:42] <Roland-> I can ping the vlans on the switch, but whatever is tagged gets dropped, probalbly because it assumes frames are untagged ?
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2178[13:11:18] <MemBa> omg i found the issue about my wget problem
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2180[13:12:17] <MemBa> dont allow the boss to configure the firewall , he applied the content filter system to all server systems ARGL
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2184[13:15:12] <MemBa> bye
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2189[13:17:28] <Walakea> is anyone using deadbeef?
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2194[13:19:23] <meth> something weird happens with the sound
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2196[13:20:01] <meth> when i move the slider to 98% the sound gets muted. i had to configuer the sound from alsamixer to override this issue
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2199[13:22:36] <at0m> dpkg: tell Walakea about anyone
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2204[13:23:53] <teraflops> meth: consider what you said. you didnt specify what DE or WM, also you didnt say if youre using pulse or alsa, also you didnt say what that slider is. so with that quastion youre forcing peolpe to start querying you about all that things, which is annoying
2205[13:24:23] <teraflops> ... ergo nobody cares about your problem
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2208[13:25:41] <meth> teraflops: Debian jessie XFCE/GNOME3/i3 on ALSAMIXER the issue happens on both DEs / The default sound manger of both DEs
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2210[13:26:30] <Walakea> it seems like gnome multimedia hotkeys do not work with deadbeef and when i set the hotkeys myself in deadbeef (as global) it interferes with those gnome hotkeys
2211[13:26:40] <bazhang> ,v pavucontrol
2212[13:26:41] <teraflops> meth: so the built-in mixer applet and using alsa?
2213[13:26:41] <judd> Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-1; wheezy: 1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3+b2; sid: 3.0-3+b2
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2215[13:27:07] <bazhang> ,v padevchooser
2216[13:27:08] <judd> Package: padevchooser on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.3-2; jessie: 0.9.4-1.1
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2218[13:27:42] <meth> teraflops: yes
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2228[13:30:13] <teraflops> tried usin e.g pavucontrol to see if it behaves the same?
2229[13:30:16] <teraflops> using*
2230[13:30:28] <bazhang> ,v paprefs
2231[13:30:29] <judd> Package: paprefs on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-2; jessie: 0.9.10-1; wheezy: 0.9.10-1; stretch: 0.9.10-2; sid: 0.9.10-2
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2235[13:31:04] <bazhang> he could try those three packages, just fiddling with alsa not the best approach
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2256[13:40:15] <Ratbox> hi bazhang
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2266[13:43:50] <Walakea> will deadbeef ever be part of official debian repositories?
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2269[13:44:26] <ntz> Walakea: if you add it .....
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2271[13:45:11] <ntz> I love how ppl ask `` will foo ever be part of official repos'' :D like if they assume, that software builds and packs itself
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2274[13:46:03] <j4son> because everyone is capable of doing that?
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2279[13:48:29] <ntz> j4son: ? s/because/because not/
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2281[13:48:36] <teraflops> nobody knows that, the answer is: if a dev minds to add it. there's no need of being rude.
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2404[14:39:19] <AlexRussia> Hi! How can I see logs of executing /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ scripts on interface startup?
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2406[14:39:28] <AlexRussia> or where I can read more about the directory
2407[14:39:30] <AlexRussia> thanks!
2408[14:39:33] <AlexRussia> ?
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2434[14:53:58] <latenite> Hi folks, what package contains 'hwinfo' ? I can not find it
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2439[14:54:53] <humbot> there should be some stuff in /var/log/syslog AlexRussia
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2450[14:57:32] <humbot> replaced-url
2451[14:57:48] <humbot> ,v hwinfo
2452[14:57:49] <judd> Package: hwinfo on amd64 -- squeeze: 16.0-2; wheezy: 16.0-2.2; jessie: 21.6-1; stretch: 21.23-1; sid: 21.23-1
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2454[14:58:10] <humbot> latenite ^^^
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2462[15:00:25] <freebsd_> hi
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2465[15:00:44] <latenite> humbot, I am on a ubuntu box. sorry mz fault
2466[15:00:54] <latenite> humbot, but thanks a lot
2467[15:01:27] <humbot> ?!
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2481[15:07:38] <kedare> Is there any risk to use debian compat level 9 with older distributions like debian 6 ?
2482[15:07:51] <GAM002> software on debian to test disk speed
2483[15:08:40] <humbot> iostat from sysstat package for command line GAM002
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2488[15:09:05] <GAM002> can you tell me the package name once more?
2489[15:09:20] <GAM002> cause i right clicked and press clear insted of copy
2490[15:09:23] <GAM002> sry
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2492[15:09:45] <humbot> sysstat
2493[15:09:48] <humbot> :P
2494[15:10:04] <bazhang> iostat from sysstat package for command line GAM002
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2496[15:10:12] <bazhang> oops
2497[15:10:20] <GAM002> k
2498[15:10:26] <humbot> boomception
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2508[15:12:57] <Elirips> Anyone in here by chance has an intel ssd from the 520 series? If yes, is it working properly? Seems like mine has a problem with (looks like only) Linux, resulting in stuff like replaced-url
2509[15:13:09] * bmomjian is upgrading from Squeeze to Wheezy now; I will sit in this channel for safety. ;-)
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2511[15:13:38] * bmomjian then on to Jessie
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2516[15:14:36] <bmomjian> Squeeze went EOL today
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2520[15:15:54] <bazhang> !squeeze
2521[15:15:54] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: replaced-url
2522[15:16:16] <nkuttler> well, squeeze-lts
2523[15:16:32] <bmomjian> true; FYI, the upgrade instructions are very nice, replaced-url
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2527[15:16:58] <nkuttler> while you're at it, upgrade to jessie after that
2528[15:17:01] <bmomjian> I thought this was going to be harder.
2529[15:17:05] <bmomjian> right, that is the next step
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2531[15:17:42] <bmomjian> at some point I am going to ask how to recreate my root partition to switch it to native ext4; I have a feeling I will be booting from a CDROM, but that is only after my upgrade to Jessie
2532[15:17:49] <nkuttler> i still have one squeeze box left to manage.. but finally got the OK for an upgrade.
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2535[15:18:28] <bmomjian> I am surprised the system is mostly up during the upgrade.
2536[15:18:52] <nkuttler> bmomjian: that's just how it is. upgrade userspace, upgrade kernel, reboot
2537[15:18:54] <bmomjian> I took my second backup drive out of the bay, just in case. ;-)
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2540[15:19:09] <bmomjian> yes, I was expecting lots of pain. We shall see. ;-)
2541[15:19:23] <karlpinc> bmomjian: (You can use either the netinstall in rescue mode or a live cd to redo your root fs. Of course you'll need the free disk space somewhere. )
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2544[15:19:39] <bmomjian> yes, I have tons of free disk space.
2545[15:19:41] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Always good to have backups offline.
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2547[15:20:18] <bmomjian> I have a backup drive, a backup drive that I pulled out of the bay, a backup drive in a home fire safe, and one at the bank.
2548[15:20:22] <bmomjian> I think I am good. ;-)
2549[15:21:02] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Running apache? Or have customized daemons or other special stuff at boot? If not the jessie upgrade will be easy too.
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2551[15:21:26] <bmomjian> I am running Apache.
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2553[15:21:51] <bmomjian> The rest is stock. A custom version of Postgres, of course, but that has no data in it and is wiped several times a week.
2554[15:22:30] <bmomjian> FYI, Michael Meskes gave a nice Debian talk at SCALE in LA last month.
2555[15:22:37] <karlpinc> bmomjian: The apache 2.2 to 2.4 upgrade is not backwards compatible. apache.org has the changes. Basically easy, but requires going through all allow/deny declarations.
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2557[15:23:01] <bmomjian> oh, wow, OK, good to know
2558[15:23:17] <karlpinc> bmomjian: If you've not touched your debian apache configs it'll probably upgrade automatically, but who runs apache without doing something to configs?
2559[15:23:17] <bmomjian> I am a little worried about Perl CPAN stuff
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2561[15:23:48] <bmomjian> yes, I have custom Apache configs. I am reading the notice of changes for all packages now.
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2563[15:24:04] <bmomjian> I guess I am super-paranoid because it is my home server and if it is down, I am down.
2564[15:24:07] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Yes. CPAN could be difficult, possibly. I try to stay away from perl and use python virtualenvs for that sort of stuff.
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2566[15:24:27] <karlpinc> !tell bmomjian about readme.debian
2567[15:24:58] <karlpinc> bmomjian: IIRC I looked through the apache.org changelog and that saw me through. But it was tedious.
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2570[15:25:33] <bmomjian> I had never seen readme.debian before, thanks.
2571[15:26:26] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Apache's got a significant one, since debian does stuff with "sites-enabled" and sites-available" that are not part of stock apache. And other stuff to support that.
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2573[15:27:03] <karlpinc> (#apache always sends people running debian back to #debian.)
2574[15:27:30] <bmomjian> I see. :-(
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2576[15:27:51] <fireba11> i rather like the debian-style apache config though
2577[15:27:52] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Yes and no.
2578[15:28:01] <karlpinc> I kind of like it too.
2579[15:28:04] <bazhang> its #httpd not apache
2580[15:28:07] <tako> steam is not working with optirun(bumblebee)
2581[15:28:08] <karlpinc> oops.
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2583[15:28:21] <bmomjian> My apache config files are here: replaced-url
2584[15:28:37] <fireba11> especially if you have a lot of virtualhost, got one per file in sites-enabled so it's rather obvious what goes where
2585[15:29:18] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Apache is in the wheezy->jessie upgrade. (Don't know if you're sticking with wheezy for a few days to see if there's CPAN issues?)
2586[15:29:41] <bmomjian> I am going to go to Jessie today too. Perl is critical.
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2590[15:30:42] <bmomjian> Sorry, Perl is not critical.
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2593[15:31:41] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Reviewing replaced-url
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2602[15:33:56] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Note that when config files are changed during the upgrade process you're left with the old copy (or an uninstalled new copy) in the fs.
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2604[15:34:36] <bmomjian> Yes, I liked that and saw it with Samba.
2605[15:34:37] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Be sure to go through all the "cleanup" in the squeeze->wheezy release notes, getting rid of obsolete packages etc.
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2609[15:35:46] <bmomjian> oh, uh, where would that be? It is listed in the ugprade steps at replaced-url
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2611[15:36:32] <karlpinc> bmomjian: And I really like to purge removed packages to get rid of old config files. When you're really ready "aptitude purge '~c'" will purge all removed packages. Don't do this unless you're sure you're ready to get rid of all the unused configs.
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2615[15:37:05] <karlpinc> bmomjian: It's in there somewhere. They keep moving it around.
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2623[15:38:22] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Sometimes they put the "cleanup old stuff" at the start of the upgrade process for the new release, sometimes at the end after upgrade, and sometimes there's really important things to be done and they put the cleanup from the last upgrade into the middle of the current upgrade instructions. :-P
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2625[15:38:52] <karlpinc> bmomjian: "aptitude search '~c'" is the obvious compliment.
2626[15:39:00] <bmomjian> lol, agree on purge being good. It is part of my daily upgrade script, with a day's delay.
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2631[15:40:13] <bmomjian> I do love the prompts for config file changes, and the diff ability
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2644[15:43:34] <karlpinc> bmomjian: I always open another vt to actualy do the edits, looking at the diff in the "working" vt.
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2646[15:44:02] <bmomjian> yes, I am saving the names of all the ones I want to go back and adjust.
2647[15:44:09] <bmomjian> Woh, done!
2648[15:44:11] <bmomjian> nice!
2649[15:44:23] <bmomjian> and apache is running
2650[15:44:28] <bmomjian> for some definition of running. ;-)
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2652[15:44:53] <bmomjian> Well, my website works, so that is something. replaced-url
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2654[15:44:59] <nkuttler> bmomjian: if you upgrade to jessie only sites-available/foo.conf will be included, that was changed
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2658[15:46:00] <karlpinc> bmomjian: All I see in your apache configs is the typical. "Order deny,allow\nDeny from all" -> "Require all denied" and likewise "Order allow,deny\nAllow from all" -> "Require all granted".
2659[15:46:42] <karlpinc> bmomjian: You've also got some explict allows that you'll need to change to the new syntax. The good news is that the new syntax is easier to understand than the old.
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2661[15:47:00] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Otherwise, you should get warnings in the logs.
2662[15:47:01] <bmomjian> I never modified sites-available
2663[15:47:21] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Did you just go to wheezy or jessie?
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2674[15:51:06] <bmomjian> just to wheezy; Jessie is after this
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2676[15:51:17] <bmomjian> then move to full ext4 with root partition reformat
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2680[15:51:44] <bmomjian> I have basically reserved four days to do this; then flying to Asia for 16 days of conference and sales calls.
2681[15:51:59] <bmomjian> Apache logs have no warnings. :-)
2682[15:52:19] <karlpinc> bmomjian: I decided to do my config file edits as the upgrade ran, pausing the upgrade in the diff, just so that each service is kept running. Can't say whether this is really a good idea.
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2684[15:52:38] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Nothing changes in apache squeeze->wheezy.
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2687[15:53:16] <bmomjian> nice
2688[15:53:28] <karlpinc> bmomjian: If you've not already looked, each release notes has a "what could go wrong" towards the start of the notes. Then a "how to fix broken things" towards the end.
2689[15:54:37] <bmomjian> yes, that was very helpful. I am used to doing upgrades with everything down, meaning I can't even get on the next to get help. I guess those were the old days. ;-)
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2691[15:55:31] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Every now and again there's a boot issue going to jessie. This has to do with uuids. (maybe). I think maybe uuids on the partitions?? I think maybe rebooting in rescue mode and rebuilding the initrd "update-initramfs -u" fixes it. (Notes just in case for the future.) Maybe they've fixed this by now....
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2693[15:55:56] <bmomjian> I do use uuids for mounting as they drives can be in different bays.
2694[15:56:04] <bmomjian> I labeled the bays, but still.
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2696[15:56:18] <karlpinc> bmomjian: I think it may be that you have issues if you're not using uuids.
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2700[15:57:01] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Anyway, no point in fretting. Just thought I'd mention just in case.
2701[15:57:18] <flaf> Hi. Question about pinning. Can someone explain me why the priority is the same (ie 990) for all versions of the "ceph" package here (outpout of the second command) => replaced-url
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2703[15:57:28] <bmomjian> thanks
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2710[15:59:27] <karlpinc> bmomjian: I'd expect 4 days would be plenty of time. (I'm mostly done cleaning my desk. Took more than 4 days. :-P )
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2712[16:00:28] <bmomjian> lol
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2718[16:02:39] <bmomjian> No, my mailbox can take four days to clean, easily.
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2725[16:04:34] <karlpinc> bmomjian: The big change in jessie is that systemd is the default init. You can still stay with sysv if you like. No decision going foward as to whether sysv will continue to be supported. I gave in to the inevitible and went to systemd. So starting and stopping daemons is "systemctl start foo" and rebooting is "systemctl reboot". And issues with daemons can be, well, issues. The deamons still log as text in the fs, which is good.
2726[16:04:34] <karlpinc> At least the ones I've looked at.
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2730[16:04:57] <karlpinc> bmomjian: I solve my mailbox problems by never cleaning it. ;-)
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2738[16:07:14] <lblmr> Hi guys. How bad is debian testing? I'm using Arch, and I'd like to switch to Debian
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2743[16:08:34] <karlpinc> lblmr: You have to consider why you want new stuff. Some use testing. It breaks, and is not fixed fast since fixes go through quality control.
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2745[16:08:45] <bmomjian> LOL, yes that is one approach, and perhaps with one my wife favors. ;-)
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2747[16:08:58] <bmomjian> I have to set aside a few days ever few months go to back end clean up everything.
2748[16:09:08] <karlpinc> lblmr: You might want stable, and just use backports for selected new stuff.
2749[16:09:13] <karlpinc> !tell lblmr about overview
2750[16:09:29] <bmomjian> wow, I can't type today, sorry; "perhaps the one my wife favors."
2751[16:09:45] <karlpinc> bmomjian: I've decided that having everything organized is an illusion. :-)
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2756[16:10:35] <karlpinc> !tell lblmr about don't break debian
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2759[16:11:08] <bmomjian> Yes, that is very true, and philosophical. I remember someone explaining that having Amazon's shopping cart be ACID compliant makes no sense because the items themselves are fluid.
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2761[16:12:18] <yeah_guy> my number pad top row is 789 but prints 123. is there a way to flip it in gnome?
2762[16:12:27] <yeah_guy> or by some other way?
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2764[16:13:35] <karlpinc> yeah_guy: There is, but I don't remember anything about it. Another approach is to pop the keys off your keyboard and put them back on to match what is typed. :-)
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2768[16:14:03] <jhutchins> yeah_guy: Obviously there is, you have already done that. What we need to do is figure out how to un-do it.
2769[16:14:24] <jhutchins> yeah_guy: Have you made changes to the default keyboard configuration?
2770[16:14:32] <yeah_guy> karlpinc: no i haven't
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2772[16:14:50] <yeah_guy> jhutchins: no
2773[16:15:08] <jhutchins> What did you choose during install?
2774[16:15:30] <yeah_guy> jhutchins: U.S.
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2777[16:15:53] <jhutchins> yeah_guy: What desktop? What applications have you seen this in?
2778[16:16:03] <karlpinc> bmomjian: As in, the items go away or change color by themselves, right?
2779[16:16:15] <yeah_guy> jhutchins: i'm using gnome. any application.
2780[16:16:26] <karlpinc> jhutchins: Perhaps yeah_guy should switch to a vt and check there?
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2782[16:17:00] <karlpinc> !tell yeah_guy about vt
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2786[16:17:30] <yeah_guy> it's the same in a vt
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2795[16:19:38] <karlpinc> yeah_guy: You'll want a method that changes more than the X keyboard layout then.
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2798[16:20:57] <yeah_guy> i take that back. it works properly in a vt.
2799[16:20:57] <yeah_guy> sorry
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2803[16:22:16] <karlpinc> yeah_guy: Perhaps look at xmodmap then.
2804[16:22:29] <jhutchins> yeah_guy: So the response in Gnome is like a telephone keypad with the lower numbers at the top (this is also accounting style, which is probably why it's an option.)
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2809[16:23:26] <karlpinc> yeah_guy: Altough you might want to try out another desktop before messing with things and breaking them further. If, say, xfce4 works then you need to poke around in the gnome config settings.
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2811[16:24:27] <karlpinc> yeah_guy: You install another desktop, then logout and back in to try it out. gdm3 lets you choose which desktop to login with. (as do other dms.)
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2815[16:25:01] <yeah_guy> is there a keyboard profile i can get or something/
2816[16:25:01] <yeah_guy> ?
2817[16:25:03] <bmomjian> karlpinc: so the ideas is that the Amazon warehouse could get hit by a meteor and the order would be canceled after it is committed to the database.
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2826[16:27:39] <sly01> hi
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2828[16:27:51] <sly01> I am bit confused about selecting os again and again
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2831[16:28:03] <sly01> I have use debian 2 years
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2833[16:28:12] <sly01> last 3 months I use opensuse leap
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2835[16:28:24] <sly01> but now I buy a ssd and again I am confusing
2836[16:28:28] <sly01> which distro best for me
2837[16:28:52] <sly01> I read many documentation about
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2839[16:29:01] <karlpinc> !tell sly01 about enter
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2844[16:29:17] <sly01> !tell what is that mean ?
2845[16:29:29] <karlpinc> sly01: The bot should have sent you a private message.
2846[16:29:48] <karlpinc> sly01: The ! key is a way of talking to one of the channel bots.
2847[16:29:51] <sly01> karlpinc: No it doesnt
2848[16:29:56] <teraflops> sly01: also which answer do you expect asking at #debian?
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2850[16:30:09] <karlpinc> sly01: It did, but you're not looking in the right place in your irc client.
2851[16:30:18] <sly01> teraflops: I am willing to use debian jessie again
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2853[16:30:23] <teraflops> so
2854[16:30:34] <humbot> i love debian
2855[16:30:43] <sly01> karlpinc: Which channel should I use for that question
2856[16:30:57] <sly01> karlpinc: Actually I just want to hear from you just use debian again
2857[16:31:09] <karlpinc> sly01: :-)
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2859[16:31:11] <teraflops> sly01: a distro agnostic one
2860[16:31:11] <sly01> karlpinc: I just need support :D
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2862[16:31:51] <karlpinc> sly01: We like debian. It has lots of packages so you get one-stop shopping. See replaced-url
2863[16:32:24] <sly01> karlpinc: I will take a look once more again
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2866[16:32:51] <karlpinc> sly01: If you do not have specific questions you can get emotional support in #debian-offtopic.
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2870[16:34:42] <sly01> karlpinc: Ok thank you
2871[16:34:52] <sly01> karlpinc: Thats what I want you
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2913[16:47:08] <veverak> hi folks, I have back inside ecryptfs mount, what is best way to launch a prompt when I try to rdiff-backup into folder where ecryptfs should be mounted but is not actually?
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2915[16:47:25] <veverak> (rdiffing inside that directory when ecryptfs is not mounted can be bad...)
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2919[16:49:50] <crystalraven> hi, when running optirun glxgears -info in terminal in Debian Jessie x64 the terminal gives: replaced-url
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2923[16:51:18] <crystalraven> as you can see at line 55 in the config file "KernelDriver=nvidia-current" is there already...
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2948[17:00:55] <johnsmithnumberf> Hi #debian, quick question: what's the procedure to get a maintainer to update a package? There's a major update to htop and I'm wondering how can the Debian version be updated? Is it by poking the maintainer by email?
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2950[17:01:38] <ntz> johnsmithnumberf: yep, for instance
2951[17:02:10] <johnsmithnumberf> ntz: what's the recommended approach, is what I'm asking. ;) Couldn't find documentation about it.
2952[17:02:11] <ntz> but please keep in mind, that you really should not force maintainer to anything no matter how sane they seem in your eyes
2953[17:02:31] <ksk> johnsmithnumberf: also keep in mind, that $new-version will (probybly) never get into wheezy - but it might get pulled into unstable or whatever and be used in an upcoming release
2954[17:02:41] <ntz> exactly
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2956[17:02:56] <ksk> as debian stable means "not changing", so only bugfixes will make it into wheezy/stable.
2957[17:03:12] <ksk> (not all bugfixes though ;)
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2961[17:03:14] <johnsmithnumberf> ksk: I'm aware it'll (possibly) get into unstable and eventually trickle down.
2962[17:03:15] <ntz> johnsmithnumberf: you can build new htop for yourself ..... I have a lot of stuff that I build as regular user with prefix $HOME/chroot
2963[17:03:23] <ksk> ok :)
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2966[17:03:27] <ntz> or sometimes I use $HOME/opt/$progname
2967[17:03:40] <babilen> johnsmithnumberf: Just file a wishlist bug
2968[17:03:49] <johnsmithnumberf> I'm just wondering as a general question: what's the recommended way of getting a new upstream in Debian?
2969[17:03:51] <ksk> yeah, building htop myself, too. using that switch for openvz container ID support - its not in debians htop
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2972[17:04:24] <ksk> I would thing the package maintainer himself will pull new version from upstream form time to time?
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2974[17:04:37] <ntz> I can only pity debian devels that you have molest yourself with .deb format :D
2975[17:04:43] <ntz> **you have to
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2977[17:05:24] <johnsmithnumberf> Is a wishlist bug preferable to a "reminder" email?
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2979[17:05:43] <babilen> johnsmithnumberf: It is the common thing to do
2980[17:05:54] <babilen> When was that version released?
2981[17:06:13] <babilen> ntz: I don't quite follow
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2985[17:06:52] <johnsmithnumberf> babilen: 10 Feb 2016, I just want it in unstable before the freeze. :P
2986[17:06:53] <ntz> babilen: I was only regarding designally obsolete and medieval .deb format ...
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2989[17:07:23] <babilen> ntz: Aaah, right .. well .. I guess there is no point in discussing that further
2990[17:07:45] <babilen> johnsmithnumberf: Feel free to file a bug
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2993[17:08:13] <johnsmithnumberf> babilen: Alright, I just couldn't find that info by web search. Thanks!
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2997[17:09:01] <babilen> dpkg: tell johnsmithnumberf -about reportbug
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3022[17:13:40] <nname31> hello, i find in internet this panch, is nautilos search in folder etc,
3023[17:13:41] <nname31> i tested this panch and script, run without problem, but now i want install this panch in offline system, how is steps for offline system?
3024[17:13:43] <nname31> i downloand panch, tarball nautilos etc,
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3028[17:13:45] <nname31> script is
3029[17:13:48] <nname31> replaced-url
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3031[17:14:50] <ntz> nname31: you have read that (easy) content of that script and do some steps manually
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3035[17:16:02] <Akuw> good morning/night
3036[17:16:38] <Akuw> when i use update-rc.d -f bluetooth remove what file is modified ?
3037[17:16:58] <crystalraven> i might should ask i the bumblebee channel instead
3038[17:16:59] <ntz> files rc.d dirs (links to init.d scripts)
3039[17:17:14] <ntz> ^^ Akuw I meant files *in* ......
3040[17:17:26] <nname31> yes, how can manualy used apt get?
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3043[17:17:38] <ntz> Akuw: everything is described in man pages
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3045[17:18:06] <nname31> i dnot used manualy apt get
3046[17:18:12] <nname31> know*
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3049[17:18:55] <crystalraven> manualy use apt-get? does that work? i just type the command
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3053[17:20:24] <nname31> i want alternative steps command for offline system
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3057[17:22:21] <crystalraven> ok, i like aptitude, im starting to use that more than apt-get. but command for offline systems i dont know sorry
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3060[17:23:11] <karlpinc> Akuw: When using the sysv init system update-rc.d alters symlinks in the /etc/rc*.d/ directories.
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3062[17:23:30] <dutchfish> crystalraven, you mean manually install a package?
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3066[17:24:34] <anddam> what's the systemctl equivalent of an old /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
3067[17:24:52] <crystalraven> no by command, apt-get, aptitude and so on. i have no need for running commands in offline mode yet
3068[17:25:11] <dutchfish> crystalraven, normally you can predownloaded packages by dpkg -i
3069[17:25:31] <dutchfish> crystalraven, or setup a privat repository
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3072[17:25:47] <dutchfish> crystalraven, depending on your needs
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3075[17:26:26] <crystalraven> yeah i run dkpg -i when i install .deb files, like dpkg -i " .deb file"
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3077[17:26:42] <dutchfish> crystalraven, right
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3079[17:27:03] <nname31> i want install this panch in offline system, how is steps for offline system?
3080[17:27:04] <nname31> i downloand panch, tarball nautilos etc,
3081[17:27:06] <nname31> script is
3082[17:27:09] <nname31> replaced-url
3083[17:27:13] <nname31> but i dnot know how used alternative commands etc.
3084[17:27:24] <nname31> this panch is nautilus-search
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3087[17:27:58] <nname31> alternative command for apt get
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3089[17:28:39] <nname31> replaced-url
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3091[17:28:59] <ntz> nname31: please don't ask same questions over and over
3092[17:29:01] <dutchfish> crystalraven, aptitude and friends work normally online (or a privat repository) from the repositories as declared inside your source list (/ect/apt/sources.list)
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3095[17:29:25] <ntz> you've been already told what to do, I guess it wasn't enough, you want some spoonfeeding, right ?
3096[17:29:38] <nname31> thx
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3106[17:32:03] <dutchfish> crystalraven, repositories can be almost anything, like media as dvd, cd or an online repository (like the ones mentioned in the debian wiki)
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3116[17:36:17] <dutchfish> crystalraven, aptitude work on all these, because its basically agnostic about how the repository is connected. See also: replaced-url
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3124[17:38:33] <crystalraven> best is to run the official repos and try to avoid running 3rd party repos, and if running 3rd party repos (some software that is need is only in that repo) then might add it, must know whats inside the repo before add.
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3127[17:39:03] <dutchfish> crystalraven, yes, avoid 3th party repos
3128[17:39:55] <dutchfish> crystalraven, i use only official ones nomather what and compile sources to my own packages when needed
3129[17:40:31] <dutchfish> crystalraven, or use backports as a last resort
3130[17:40:56] <crystalraven> if just add repos the system could break of many reasons, new versions of software/dependencies that crash with the system ones and that ends up with dependencies nightmare and the system would more than like break from it
3131[17:41:09] <anddam> answer to self: "networking.service"
3132[17:41:10] <dutchfish> crystalraven, yes
3133[17:41:18] <karlpinc> !tell crystalraven about don't break debian.
3134[17:41:25] <karlpinc> anddam: Thanks. I was wondering.
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3137[17:42:51] <crystalraven> that is one of the reasons i dont like to add 3rd party repos if it is something that i really need from it. otherwise ill dont add it
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3141[17:43:43] <dutchfish> crystalraven, even then, no. if needed such software, go by the source.
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3144[17:44:50] <dutchfish> crystalraven, most likely you will find it either upstream or in testing or sid and can backport it
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3147[17:46:35] <dutchfish> crystalraven, or there are alternatives
3148[17:46:43] <crystalraven> i have installed from source a few times just git clone it and run the config then compile and then make install. build from source is almost better, it becomes optimized better if so
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3150[17:47:30] <dutchfish> crystalraven, anyway, that was my long answer
3151[17:47:56] <karlpinc> !tell crystalraven about stow
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3160[17:49:20] <bmomjian> OK, upgraded to Wheezy; starting Jessie upgrade now.
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3164[17:51:13] <crystalraven> karlpinc thanks just installed stow could be great to have
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3167[17:52:09] <karlpinc> crystalraven: There is also "checkinstall".
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3171[17:54:08] <crystalraven> karlpinc thanks ill check that out too
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3242[18:20:03] <SOUL_OF_R00T> hello great guys, i have some doubts about mp3 streaming i setup icecast on debian jessie appear runs fine but no streram some tip for me?
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3263[18:29:38] <karlpinc> SOUL_OF_R00T: The logs are your friend. See also "ss -l" output.
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3271[18:31:11] <karlpinc> !tell SOUL_OF_R00T about readme.debian
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3355[19:01:59] <Sicnus> Trying to get debian to dual boot... what's an easy way to get a GUI based tool to do that in debian stretch?
3356[19:02:09] <Sicnus> we're trying to dualboot debian and windows.
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3358[19:02:29] <teraflops> gui based for what?
3359[19:02:36] <Sicnus> grub...
3360[19:02:39] <teraflops> ...
3361[19:02:52] <cra1g321> install windows, install debian, grub will be installed during the install
3362[19:02:55] <Sicnus> or... if there's a good easy tutorial to set it up. It's been a long time.
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3364[19:03:23] <Sicnus> cra1g321: debian is already installed... had an odd UEFI issue I had to work around...
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3366[19:03:36] <Sicnus> so I figured I'd set the dual boot after installing
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3377[19:10:53] <catuca> Why was compiz removed from Debian 8?
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3396[19:17:01] <somiaj> catuca: compiz hasn't been supported by upstream for some time and is very bugy. Debian didn't want to support it anymore.
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3403[19:18:14] <Iridos> Sicnus, it should "just work" and an entry for windows/os-loader should be visible in the grub menu
3404[19:18:20] <catuca> somiaj: What is a well know alternative to compiz?
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3408[19:19:04] <Iridos> Sicnus, at least it did for me... and I copied windows from the pre-installed SSD to the 2nd disk (which was the more amazing thing to "just work", really)
3409[19:19:14] <somiaj> catuca: I personally don't know, look up compositing window managers
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3411[19:19:22] <catuca> somiaj: k thanks
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3415[19:20:45] <Iridos> Sicnus, /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober is responsible for that... if you didn't set GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER and didn't wreck or disconnect your windows disk during install, it should just be there
3416[19:21:02] <Sicnus> yeah bud... didn't for me :/ sorry man gtg but thanks
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3420[19:21:36] <Iridos> catu...
3421[19:22:21] <Iridos> yach well
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3424[19:23:12] <Iridos> somiaj, seems we have a factoid on compiz that isn't very good, now that I look at it closer
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3428[19:23:54] <somiaj> Iridos: are you able to change it?
3429[19:24:13] <somiaj> Iridos: I personally don't know enough to write a good one. I just know it is not in debian due to lack of support and bugs
3430[19:24:26] <nickle> Hey, regarding kernel version 2.6.32 (Debian Squeeze) - this kernel version is flagged as "long term" support - any idea how much longer it has?
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3434[19:25:25] <somiaj> nickle: squeeze is no longer supported (as a full release), squeeze-lts is supporting a small amount of squeeze on i386/amd64 arches. I think support ends in feb 2018
3435[19:25:28] <somiaj> !squeeze-lts
3436[19:25:29] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" continues until 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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3439[19:25:49] <somiaj> nickle: opps, was two years off. Seems squeeze-lts support is ending and you should upgrade to wheezy (then wheezy-lts)
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3441[19:26:02] <nickle> somiaj: thanks! I ask because I have a security "appliance" which is running this version - curious if I should press the vendor
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3444[19:26:40] <somiaj> nickle: yea in debian it seems squeeze-lts support is ending so if it isn't compadable with wheezy you'll have to find some solution
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3446[19:27:03] <nickle> the problem is - these companies that rely on older versions aren't quick to update...
3447[19:27:08] <nickle> thanks for the info somiaj :)
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3450[19:27:24] <greycat> dpkg, squeeze-lts =~ s/continues until/ended on/
3451[19:27:25] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3456[19:28:42] <Iridos> somiaj, no. I think I tried it out around 2003 or 2005 or so but gave up quickly. But I actually also wonder about "dead upstream" when looking at replaced-url
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3464[19:29:44] <somiaj> Iridos: I think that is just ubuntu keeping it alive, but no actual development. And doesn't seem there is a matainer who wants to make it work with debian policy anymore (but maybe this changed).
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3466[19:30:04] <jonkri> Assuming I have a binary that I don't trust that I would like to run on a server, would a chroot jail be a good way to do it, or do you have something else to suggest? Simplicity would be appreciated.
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3471[19:31:08] <somiaj> Iridos: ahh seems that someone in ubuntu picked up some mataince of it in 2014, maybe now that someone is mataining it for ubuntu a wishlist bug to get it back in debian could be filed.
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3482[19:31:45] <somiaj> jonkri: chroots are easy to break out of if someone can get root access on the inside of it [so they aren't considered secure]. VM might be a better solution.
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3499[19:33:35] <jonkri> somiaj: Thanks! I was hoping for something lightweight, also, but perhaps I can use Docker.
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3502[19:34:02] <jonkri> somiaj: Can I run as a normal user inside a chroot?
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3504[19:34:18] <Iridos> somiaj, I guess for compositing one could mention xcompmgr (or, searching repos maybe unagi and muffin). Dunno about the 3D effect stuff. (did compiz have more features than that?)
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3506[19:34:38] <greycat> jonkri: you have to be root to enter a chroot, but then you can drop privileges once inside
3507[19:34:56] <somiaj> jonkri: sure, but any exploits to gain root access, doesn't really provided an extra layer of protection if the chroot can be exploited.
3508[19:35:21] <cra1g321> jonkri, why run/use the software if you dont trust it ? :/
3509[19:35:32] <Iridos> actually, it does if the chroot has less programs that could provide a root exploit
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3516[19:37:00] <Iridos> cra1g321, what if you don't trust any software? :D
3517[19:37:25] <cra1g321> then you must be a expert at making tinfoil hats :D
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3555[19:37:37] <Iridos> cra1g321, that did it!
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3570[19:38:19] <cra1g321> Iridos , see what your question did ? make the ze bots rise up against us !
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3572[19:38:22] <Iridos> uh
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3577[19:38:40] <Iridos> well, only one bot... but him haz ops!
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3579[19:39:11] <greycat> Only one bot ... that we know of.
3580[19:39:15] <Iridos> heh
3581[19:39:18] <reactormonk> is debian jessie systemd or system V?
3582[19:39:22] <greycat> systemd
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3585[19:39:45] <greycat> (But not every single package in jessie has a systemd unit file. Many of them still use sysvinit scripts in compat mode.)
3586[19:39:47] <Iridos> will he keep kicking anyone who changes their nick once?
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3588[19:40:09] <greycat> There have been some nick changes since I removed mi modes and no kicks.
3589[19:40:22] <Iridos> ah, yes
3590[19:40:32] <asterismo_m> hi, whats the status of the SSL flaw depicted herr? is there an updat available yet? replaced-url
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3592[19:41:09] <cra1g321> asterismo_m, yes
3593[19:41:38] <cra1g321> replaced-url
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3595[19:42:16] <Iridos> reactormonk, one can still use sysvinit in jessie... for more info, /msg dpkg jessie sysvinit
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3599[19:42:53] <jonkri> greycat, somiaj, cra1g321, Iridos: Good points - thank you very much. :)
3600[19:42:53] <nedstark> whats with them taking the nvidia driver out of debian repos
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3604[19:43:33] <jonkri> I guess I'll go with a simple Docker Debian image, and just volume it in there.
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3606[19:44:01] <cra1g321> you know nothing john.. oh wait its Ned, here you go - replaced-url
3607[19:44:02] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3608[19:44:11] <nedstark> nouveau isn't an adequate replacement
3609[19:44:25] <cra1g321> ^ +1 to that
3610[19:44:33] <nedstark> judd: what lawyer said that
3611[19:44:37] <nedstark> or just some dev
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3613[19:44:59] <reactormonk> Iridos, no thanks.
3614[19:45:11] <nedstark> i suppose its not a big deal, not hard to migrate
3615[19:45:31] <nedstark> the benefit of all linux distros being free
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3622[19:46:21] <nedstark> debian is starting to look like the eccentric librarian with 12 cats who always wears poladot clothing
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3636[19:47:27] <Iridos> dpkg, tell asterismo_m about tracker of doom
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3666[19:48:51] <Iridos> dpkg, cve lookup CVE-2016-0703
3667[19:48:51] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2016-0703 may be found at replaced-url
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3731[19:55:29] <Iridos> asterismo_m, anyway, who uses SSL v2 anymore anyway? I don't think it has been enabled by default on any jessie installs
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3739[19:56:38] <Iridos> asterismo_m, at least for apache... I don't think SSLv2 is even compiled in anymore
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3744[19:57:25] <asterismo_m> yeah i use the -SSLv2 directive in my conf
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3754[19:59:01] <Iridos> I mean... a vulnerability in SSLv2... that's considered news in 2016?
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3756[19:59:14] <cra1g321> but its got a codename !
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3758[19:59:43] <Iridos> YASSLv2V?
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3765[20:00:57] <Iridos> Security experts estimate the DROWN vulnerability leaves 33 percent of all HTTPS servers vulnerable to attackers whose owners haven't cared shit about their servers for about a decade?
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3772[20:02:07] <Iridos> *sigh* like some at my uni.
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3786[20:07:22] <Iridos> well, not a decade, of course.. but since the last horrible sslv2 vulnerability
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3822[20:12:52] <wonderworld> Iridos: every unchanged default apache 2.2 installation is affected. changed about 14 configs today
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3830[20:14:11] <wonderworld> plus postfix....plus who knows. every daemon that uses ssl and allows v2
3831[20:14:25] <wonderworld> dovecot maybe?
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3849[20:16:31] <wonderworld> it's not about not caring about the server. the vulnerability wasn't known until today. ssl2 was still available to have backwards compatibility with older browsers. even the default debian config didn't disable it.
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3853[20:18:40] <cra1g321> "note that the oldstable (wheezy) and stable (jessie) distributions are not affected by those attacks since the SSLv2 protocol has already been dropped in the openssl package version 1.0.0c-2"
3854[20:18:40] <greycat> Huh? "Today"? SSLv2 has been shitcanned for months.
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3869[20:21:51] <Iridos> wonderworld, really? RFC 6176 is from March 2011
3870[20:21:55] <wonderworld> yes it's known for years, that it's not safe
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3872[20:22:13] <wonderworld> but todays attack is something else
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3878[20:24:01] <Iridos> so... 5 years after an rfc prohibits a protocol because it is insecure, there's an exploit... and that totally amazes everyone and they start to panic?
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3880[20:24:10] <wonderworld> if your server runs services with ssl2, attackers can break services that DON'T use ssl2 as well
3881[20:24:14] <wonderworld> thats the problem
3882[20:24:15] <tharkun> Good $DAY 2 questions, where is LS_COLORS defined? I need to shrink a partition of a dual boot machine. What are my best options and what caveats I have to be aware of?
3883[20:24:34] <Iridos> wonderworld, yes, understood.
3884[20:24:41] <greycat> tharkun: what the HELL do those questions have to do with each other
3885[20:24:57] <tharkun> ME
3886[20:25:24] <wonderworld> just found out that dovecot enables it by default as well in wheezy
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3956[20:25:45] <ryouma> lol at the juxtaposition
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3958[20:25:46] <wonderworld> at least it's simple to disable. the option is already in the config. it's just commented out
3959[20:25:46] <Iridos> oh yay, again
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3961[20:26:02] <cra1g321> goddamn sharks chewing on the underwater cables
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3969[20:27:09] <ryouma> tharkun: in your .profile or .bashrc etc. i tend to copy partition, then shrink, then copy back, but others can tell you how to resize fs then partition.
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3972[20:28:03] <greycat> *what* partition are you shrinking? what's on it?
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3975[20:28:37] <karlpinc> tharkun: Especially, what sort of fs?
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3977[20:29:08] <Iridos> tharkun, /etc/skel/.bashrc ---> your .bashrc
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4084[20:32:48] <Iridos> as far as I understood, he needs to partition his shrink and dual boot LS_COLORS
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4088[20:33:27] * greycat has STILL not figured out where the fuck jessie is setting LS_COLORS and is in fact quite surprised to see it
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4092[20:34:09] <greycat> Aha! 'man ls' says "Use the dircolors command to set it."
4093[20:34:19] <greycat> So that's a thing I have to grep for... so, starting over from the beginning...
4094[20:34:37] <greycat> /etc/skel/.bashrc: test -r ~/.dircolors && eval "$(dircolors -b ~/.dircolors)" || eval "$(dircolors -b)"
4095[20:34:52] <greycat> Ereplaced-url
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4099[20:36:01] <tharkun> Sorry for the delay $DAY_JOB. The filesystem is a regular ext3 and I need the space in windows to run a program there. Avaya does not have a linux version for its administrative programs
4100[20:36:08] <greycat> By the way, that violates replaced-url
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4103[20:36:56] <greycat> !shrink ext3
4104[20:36:57] <dpkg> somebody said shrink ext3 was "resize2fs -M" can be used to shrink the partition to the minimum size, see man 8 resize2fs. This must be done on an unmounted partition.
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4107[20:37:26] <tharkun> greycat: Thanks
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4111[20:37:51] <Len> hello guys
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4114[20:38:12] <Len> can someone tell me, how can I enable s2disk as hibernation for MATE ?
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4118[20:38:41] <Len> s2disk from console is working, hibernation by System->Shut Down...->Hibernation is not
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4120[20:38:51] <Len> I am using replaced-url
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4132[20:43:43] <ToHellWithGA> is there a boost -dev metapackage with all the this-and-thats like boost-filesystem and boost-program-options?
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4135[20:44:13] <ToHellWithGA> i'm moving forward one line at a time through a configure file wishing there was a better way than singly installing each package
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4144[20:47:07] <ToHellWithGA> ah, libboost-all-dev. found it.
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4152[20:51:07] <nedstark> bye debian, the zfs and nvidia driver bulls--t was the last straw for me
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4173[21:01:18] <teraflops> lel
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4175[21:01:27] <sheppyh> lol
4176[21:02:41] <thurstylark> This may be a stupid question, but is there any chance I am going to get intel skylake graphics working on wheezy?
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4182[21:04:02] <Kang0> My friend server is pi i m on my phone with juicesssh client how to transfer file from server to my phone via ssh?
4183[21:05:26] <Maws> Kang0, explained here: replaced-url
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4185[21:05:35] <teraflops> Kang0: install a sftp client on the phone
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4195[21:06:39] <teraflops> from the sftp interface in the phone you have access to both devices
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4207[21:09:42] <Kang0> Maws can you please inform Me what can be syntax typical for android phone(ssh client) and raspberrp pi(server)
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4211[21:12:18] <rainfyre> Kang0: typical syntax to do what?
4212[21:12:35] <Maws> Kang0, it says on that page - one is: scp /path/to/file username@a:/path/to/destination
4213[21:12:38] <Kang0> File transfer rainfyre
4214[21:12:46] <Maws> other is: scp username@b:/path/to/file /path/to/destination
4215[21:12:49] <rainfyre> ^^
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4218[21:14:02] <rainfyre> Maws: it should be scp /path/to/filename username@host:/path/to/destination
4219[21:14:30] <Kang0> What should i put instead of a? In first syntax
4220[21:14:34] <greycat> a hostname
4221[21:14:36] <rainfyre> hostname of your server
4222[21:14:45] <Kang0> Maws
4223[21:15:19] <Kang0> A is client not server rainfyre
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4225[21:15:30] <Maws> there is two examles given on the page - full paste:
4226[21:15:30] <Maws> To copy a file from B to A while logged into B:
4227[21:15:31] <Maws> scp /path/to/file username@a:/path/to/destination
4228[21:15:31] <Maws> To copy a file from B to A while logged into A:
4229[21:15:31] <Maws> scp username@b:/path/to/file /path/to/destination
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4231[21:15:32] <rainfyre> Kang0: it'll probably be the ip of your server
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4234[21:16:00] <Maws> sorry bout the paste ;)
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4236[21:16:36] <rainfyre> ah sorry Kang0
4237[21:17:02] <rainfyre> Kang0: do you have an ssh server running on your phone?
4238[21:17:09] <Kang0> Any clue? Maws
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4241[21:17:17] <Kang0> No on pi
4242[21:17:27] <Kang0> Phone is having client
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4244[21:17:37] <rainfyre> is your phone running ssh also?
4245[21:17:54] <Kang0> Its running client only
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4249[21:19:32] <thurstylark> Kang0: if you phone is running the client only, then you need to do the scp command from there.
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4251[21:19:37] <greycat> So, you have to run the scp commands *on* the phone. Any pathnames on the pi server have to be prefixed with hostname:
4252[21:19:45] <rainfyre> Maws: it should be scp /path/to/filename phonehostname@phone_ip_address:/path/to/destination
4253[21:19:51] <Kang0> teraflops how to set up sftp client? Should i enter same ssh server name?
4254[21:20:05] <rainfyre> ugh, sorry Maws, should have been to Kang0. i'll shutup.
4255[21:20:09] <greycat> Oh, if you prefer sftp then fine, use that.
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4257[21:20:32] <teraflops> Kang0: install the app, in the phone
4258[21:20:35] <greycat> once you're connected with sftp, use "cd" and "get" and "put" and so on.
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4260[21:20:56] <Kang0> thurstylark i guess ssh client juicessh can't accept any command
4261[21:21:11] <Kang0> Why it is so?
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4264[21:21:42] <Kang0> Why from phone?
4265[21:21:42] <thurstylark> Kang0: correct. juicessh cannot do scp. You need to download a separate app for sftp.
4266[21:22:05] <teraflops> Kang0: also juicessh is not an sftp scp client. is a tool for connecting via ssh to remote hosts, assuming it can connect to your phone as in localhost you still need scp sftp ssh stuff there
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4268[21:22:32] <thurstylark> Kang0: because you have to connect to the server (the pi) to move files. if you don't have an ssh server on your phone, the pi can't push files to it over ssh.
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4270[21:22:47] <teraflops> ah sorry i was disconnected
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4275[21:23:37] <teraflops> Kang0: from google play I use "turbo client"
4276[21:23:46] <salviaD> how faster jessy boots compared to wheezy ?
4277[21:23:47] <Kang0> So is it server to server communication? thurstylark
4278[21:24:02] <jhutchins> salviaD: Slower for me.
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4280[21:24:08] <Kang0> What about terminal emulator? teraflops
4281[21:24:08] <greycat> salviaD: you would have to measure it on each machine.
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4283[21:24:18] <teraflops> Kang0: you dont need ssh server in the phone
4284[21:24:21] <teraflops> Kang0: none
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4287[21:24:37] <teraflops> you just need a sftp client
4288[21:24:39] <salviaD> greycat: so systemd does not make boot times super faster as a feature?
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4290[21:24:48] <greycat> It could.
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4292[21:25:00] <Kang0> (thurstylark) Kang0: because you have to connect to the server (the pi) to move files. if you don't have an ssh server on your phone, the pi can't push files to it over ssh.
4293[21:25:01] <greycat> Depends on what you're booting, how parallelizable they are, etc.
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4295[21:25:12] <teraflops> Kang0: rong
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4298[21:25:32] <Kang0> Didn't it mean server is required on phone
4299[21:25:32] <thurstylark> Kang0: no, it is client to server communication. You establish a connection from the client to the server. the phone is the client. the pi is the server.
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4301[21:25:49] <cerealkill3r> Hey guys, I have a problem, i logged out and selected the third option from gdm (the first one is system default, the second is gnome) , and now when i boot up i'm prompted with a command line instead of a GUI
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4303[21:26:47] <thurstylark> Kang0: the end of that statement you pasted is "the pi can't push files to it over ssh, so the phone has to pull the files from the pi."
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4307[21:27:57] <Kang0> Why it is so? thurstylark
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4313[21:28:12] <thurstylark> Kang0: because you phone is not a server
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4315[21:28:32] <thurstylark> it is a client
4316[21:28:48] <thurstylark> a client must initiate an ssh connection.
4317[21:28:55] <thurstylark> a server will recieve it.
4318[21:29:09] <Kang0> Oh i see i forgot basic rule thanks
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4322[21:30:14] <teraflops> Kang0: replaced-url
4323[21:30:17] <Kang0> So how can phone pull in?
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4326[21:30:35] <thurstylark> Kang0: by installing an sftp app
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4328[21:30:53] <thurstylark> then put the details of the pi into the app
4329[21:30:57] <thurstylark> connect to the pi
4330[21:30:59] <thurstylark> pull the files
4331[21:31:01] <teraflops> Kang0: from the phone with no ssh server running
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4333[21:31:26] <sheppyh> quick question, how does my system know that it is getting packages from debian and not a man-in-the-middle for example
4334[21:31:35] <greycat> Debian packages are signed.
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4337[21:31:54] <sheppyh> ah ok
4338[21:32:01] <greycat> Apt has a Debian keyring that's installed when you installed the OS, which it uses to verify the sigs.
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4340[21:32:37] <Kang0> What's that image for teraflops
4341[21:32:41] <sheppyh> ah right, so as long as my keyring is not compromised I can be very confident that apt installs good software
4342[21:33:01] <teraflops> Kang0: sft client font the phone
4343[21:33:04] <teraflops> sftp*
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4348[21:34:06] <teraflops> Kang0: remoto means remote :P
4349[21:34:21] <Kang0> Ok
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4351[21:34:30] <Kang0> Thanks all
4352[21:34:34] <teraflops> np
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4355[21:35:25] <salviaD> after my ISP made my home connection IPV6, it takes a lot of time to connect to debian mirrors for apt-get stuff
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4373[21:40:47] <cerealkill3r> hey guys, i have a problem, my system is starting into console instead of GNOME gui, so i have to manually login and startx, what may have broke this is that before i logged out and selected the third option on the cogwheel
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4378[21:41:37] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: what does
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4380[21:41:50] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: what does 'systemctl is-enabled gdm.service' say?
4381[21:42:04] <cerealkill3r> thurstylark, enabled
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4384[21:42:37] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: replace is-enabled with status, what does it say?
4385[21:43:05] <cerealkill3r> thurstylark, should i dump it into a pastebin?
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4388[21:43:20] <thurstylark> that would be nice :)
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4391[21:43:28] <cerealkill3r> thurstylark, replaced-url
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4394[21:44:14] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: alrighty, what tty are you on?
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4396[21:44:22] <cerealkill3r> as i said, the only change i done that could have broken it is that i logged out, and selected a third option on that cogwheel where you select your desktop environment if you have multiple ones
4397[21:45:05] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: wait, so have you tried logging out again?
4398[21:45:06] <cerealkill3r> tty1
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4400[21:45:21] <Walakea> what is an easy way to take a binary file and take some of their bytes if i want to do further operations with them? (namely extract/inspect/change mp3 tags)
4401[21:45:28] <cerealkill3r> yes, if i log out it just gives me the command line prompt
4402[21:45:40] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: ctrl+alt+F7
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4404[21:45:43] <greycat> Walakea: id3v2
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4408[21:46:43] <cerealkiller> thurstylark, Ok, i changed to tty6
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4410[21:47:08] <cerealkiller> wait, you're saying that the reason i was always getting the command prompt is because i was on tty1?
4411[21:47:08] <thurstylark> cerealkiller: no, tty7
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4413[21:47:31] <thurstylark> cerealkiller: idk for sure, but graphical sessions are usually on tty7
4414[21:47:51] <cerealkiller> but if for example i select a tty, will that be remembered and i will be rebooting into that?
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4418[21:48:33] <thurstylark> cerealkiller: when you boot up, gdm should take over, and move you to tty7 by default, and show you the login screen.
4419[21:48:53] <greycat> thurstylark: in my experience on jessie, using startx, the X session is on tty1.
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4421[21:49:02] <cerealkiller> ok, that doesn't happen
4422[21:49:06] <greycat> I don't know about *dm.
4423[21:49:12] <greycat> *dm can go fuck itself
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4425[21:49:35] <grawity> thurstylark: this 'usually' has changed recently
4426[21:49:44] <grawity> thurstylark: for both gdm and startx
4427[21:49:46] <thurstylark> greycat: that's if you're using startx on tty1, if you do startx on tty2, it'll be on tty2. DisplayManagers usually work on tty7
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4429[21:50:31] <cerealkiller> Ok, so what should i do in order to fix this?
4430[21:50:37] <greycat> thurstylark: Before jessie, a startx on tty1 put the X session on tty7. Jessie changed it.
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4433[21:51:12] <thurstylark> Ahh. I see.
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4436[21:51:33] <thurstylark> cerealkiller: have you rebooted since this started happening?
4437[21:51:44] <cerealkiller> thurstylark, once
4438[21:51:53] <grawity> thurstylark: in particular, gdm upstream has also changed from "first free tty" to "always tty1" for the login screen
4439[21:52:07] <thurstylark> cerealkiller: and?
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4441[21:52:32] <cerealkiller> as i said, it boots into the console
4442[21:52:33] <grawity> thurstylark: also, with sysvinit the first 6 ttys were permanently occupied by getty and unusable by *dm's, whereas with systemd most of them are only allocated on demand so a DM is free to use tty1 or tty3
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4445[21:53:30] <thurstylark> alrighty, so why is gdm enabled, running, and still dumping you to a tty...
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4450[21:54:54] <cerealkiller> this makes no sense to me
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4454[21:56:02] <grawity> I'm ... kinda curious about your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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4457[21:56:22] <cerealkiller> also when i boot, before the login prompts i get this (not sure if it has anything to do with it) Job rpcbind.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with basic.target/start
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4471[22:00:56] <cerealkiller> thurstylark, i'm going to try logging out and see what happens
4472[22:01:12] <cerealkiller> will be back in a minute
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4496[22:04:35] <cerealkill3r> Okay so, the funny thing is that i get a cursor in the command prompt that disappears, and i can't go to tty7
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4501[22:05:12] <cerealkill3r> i think it has to do with that third option that i selected, the first one was system defaults, the second one was gnome, but the third one i can't remember
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4503[22:05:56] <awal1> cerealkiller, try reseting gdm3 configuration. How? not really sure because I dont use gnome, but check this replaced-url
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4506[22:06:15] <awal1> cerealkill3r, ^
4507[22:06:20] <cerealkill3r> thanks awal1
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4510[22:07:07] <awal1> cerealkill3r, thats just a suggestion, ok ...
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4531[22:13:43] <tako> hello is there anyone to help me with steam on bumblebee
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4533[22:14:09] <tako> i'm getting error when i run steam client with my nvdia gpu but its working perfectly with my intel
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4536[22:14:41] <tako> thats my error Couldn't find bootstrap, it's not safe to reset Steam. Please contact technical support.
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4538[22:14:59] <cerealkill3r> hmm still nothing, running sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm tells me that i don't have gdm installed which is strange
4539[22:15:12] <cerealkill3r> also tried gdm3
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4542[22:16:16] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: the package is gdm3. what does "apt-cache policy gdm3" say?
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4548[22:19:37] <tako> i'm searching help about my error since morning
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4550[22:20:25] <somiaj> tako: the error isn't obvious that it is related to graphics drivers. Do you run the steam command differently when using the nvidia drivers (unsure exactly how bumblbee works to swtich between gpus)
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4560[22:23:22] <somiaj> tako: I found a forum (random internet source) that says just move ~/.steam/steam.sh to another place, and when you run steam it will redownload/install the important prats of steam (including the bootstrap). It could be something with steam downloaded and configured itself for intel and when you change the gpu it errors out.
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4570[22:27:54] <jim> is it possible to change arch, by adding the arch I want, and installing packages to it, then possibly removing the old arch?
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4572[22:28:25] <somiaj> jim: not really, I don't think you can remove the primary arch.
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4574[22:28:38] <somiaj> jim: what arch are you trying to change from/to and why?
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4576[22:29:12] <tako> somiaj, thank you i'm going to try
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4581[22:29:33] <jim> someone on another channel brought up the issue, just seeing if it's possible... maybe he should install a guest debian of the new arch
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4588[22:30:00] <cerealkill3r> No luck
4589[22:30:02] <karlpinc> !tell jim about aptitude clone
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4592[22:30:28] <somiaj> jim: yea you could use debootstrap and other methods to install the other arch from the current install. But I don't think you can do a full switch from one arch to another without doing a reinstall. karlpinc suggestion is an easy way to get most the same packages on the new machine though.
4593[22:30:29] <karlpinc> jim: On the other hand, that won't migrate the configs. Happy experimenting.
4594[22:30:46] <cerealkill3r> My machine is booting into console mode instead of GUI , i think i broke gdm and can't get it reconfigured (using gdm3)
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4598[22:31:20] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: what does "apt-cache policy gdm3" say?
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4600[22:31:59] <cerealkill3r> Installed: 3.14.1-7
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4603[22:32:04] <cerealkill3r> jmcnaught, you want the whole output?
4604[22:32:21] <karlpinc> cerealkill3r: You know about <paste>, right?
4605[22:32:26] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: nah that's okay. earlier you said "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3" told you it wasn't installed
4606[22:32:27] <cerealkill3r> not really
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4610[22:32:38] <karlpinc> !tell cerealkill3r about paste
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4612[22:32:56] <cerealkill3r> jmcnaught, dpkg-reconfigure gdm tells me gdm is not installed
4613[22:33:13] <cerealkill3r> but dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 doesn't help me with my problem
4614[22:33:19] <tako> somiaj, still not working :(
4615[22:33:42] <tako> somiaj, i'm using optirun steam for run steam with my nvidia gpu
4616[22:33:53] <cerealkill3r> So , i got here by logging out and selecting the third option in the gdm login (where you select the desktop environment)
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4620[22:34:15] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: "journalctl -b 0 -u gdm.service" will show you all journal/log entries related to gdm
4621[22:34:25] <cerealkill3r> I get booted into tty1 and cant select tty7
4622[22:34:43] <cerealkill3r> jmcnaught, no journal files were found, i also reinstalled gdm3
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4624[22:34:53] <vegenaise> bvhj
4625[22:34:54] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: gdm login screen doesn't display at all? run the journalctl command as root
4626[22:34:57] <karlpinc> jim: I don't know just what list of packages the <aptitude clone> generates to copy. It might be you'd have to run it through an additional sed or awk or perl or "cut" script to get rid of the arch suffixes in the package names.
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4628[22:35:06] <somiaj> tako: my guess is the otirun is setting up a different envoriment that is confusing steam. I don't know enough to have a suggestion what could fix the issue.
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4630[22:35:26] <somiaj> cerealkill3r: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
4631[22:35:27] <cerealkill3r> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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4633[22:35:43] <cerealkill3r> somiaj, /usr/sbin/gdm3
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4635[22:35:47] <tako> somiaj, i understand do you have bumblebee?
4636[22:36:12] <somiaj> tako: no, I don't game on laptops, I game on my desktop and I avoid the optimus hardware due to the support for it in linux is still very new.
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4639[22:37:28] <jim> karlpinc, somiaj, thanks for the discussion... I think I know what to suggest now
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4641[22:37:57] <somiaj> cerealkill3r: then check systemctl status gdm3 (make sure the service is enabled)
4642[22:37:57] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: if you run (as root) "systemctl restart gdm"; and then run "journalctl -u gdm | tail" what do you get? Or are there any clues on "systemctl status gdm" ?
4643[22:38:05] <cerealkill3r> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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4649[22:39:34] <tako> do you know any alternative to bumblebee because nobody update bumblebee
4650[22:39:40] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: do you mean should you delete /etc/systemd/system/default.target? Do you have that file? What are its contents?
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4653[22:39:58] <somiaj> tako: not that I've seen for optimus hardware.
4654[22:40:01] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: generally i think you should diagnose and understand a problem before trying random fixes
4655[22:40:09] <cerealkiller> jmcnaught, Wait a second, just ran systemctl restart gdm and will post the output of journalctl -u gdm | tail
4656[22:40:43] <cerealkiller> running the first command worked fine tho
4657[22:41:06] <tako> If you freshly installed steam its first run has to be done on.... gpu open source drivers, not proprietary. If you have proprietary drivers installed remove them, reboot pc, start steam, let steam to update itself, after it you can install proprietary drivers back and have steam running.
4658[22:41:10] <jmcnaught> cerealkiller: please also paste "systemctl status gdm"
4659[22:41:12] <tako> i'm going to try this
4660[22:41:17] <somiaj> cerealkill3r: it could be that gdm is not enabled to start at boot, check the output of 'systemctl status gdm' (or gdm3)
4661[22:41:28] <cerealkiller> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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4663[22:41:49] <greycat> 15:41 thurstylark> cerealkill3r: what does 'systemctl is-enabled gdm.service' say?
4664[22:41:52] <greycat> 15:42 cerealkill3r> thurstylark, enabled
4665[22:42:19] <awal1> cerealkiller, your gdm3 version is?
4666[22:42:21] <cerealkiller> replaced-url
4667[22:42:43] <awal1> ,v gdm3
4668[22:42:44] <judd> Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze5; wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.14.1-7; stretch: 3.18.0-2; sid: 3.18.2-1
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4670[22:43:27] <jmcnaught> cerealkiller: that paste leads me to believe that gdm is now running, and automatically logged in the user cerealkiller
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4672[22:43:29] <greycat> cerealkiller: that looks ... really *weird*. It started Xorg :1??
4673[22:43:54] <cerealkiller> jmcnaught, I will try to reboot now and tell you guys what happens
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4675[22:44:20] <thurstylark> que?
4676[22:44:22] <thurstylark> oh
4677[22:44:30] <thurstylark> right.
4678[22:44:35] <jmcnaught> i wonder if cerealkiller has another DM also running?
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4680[22:45:14] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: Or running and dead and there's a race....
4681[22:45:16] <somiaj> jmcnaught: /etc/X11/default-display-manager says gdm3 is the default, so that would be unlikely.
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4684[22:45:23] <cerealkill3r> still nothing
4685[22:45:37] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: check "systemctl status gdm" again
4686[22:45:55] <cerealkill3r> it's the same output as before
4687[22:46:08] <greycat> Including :1
4688[22:46:08] <greycat> ?
4689[22:46:25] <cerealkill3r> greycat, gdm-Xorg-:0
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4691[22:46:32] <greycat> So, it's NOT the same as before.
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4693[22:46:40] <cerealkill3r> greycat, yes,sorry my bad
4694[22:46:56] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: what is in /usr/share/xsessions ?
4695[22:47:09] <awal1> cerealkiller, gdm3 offers 'default session', 'gnome' (gnome-shell) and 'gnome classic', if I'm not wrong. so you probably selected classic mode
4696[22:47:21] <cerealkill3r> thurstylark, only gnome.desktop
4697[22:47:33] <cerealkill3r> awal1, most likely
4698[22:47:39] <cerealkill3r> but it wasn't named gnome classic
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4700[22:48:29] <jmcnaught> cerealkill3r: did you select "Gnome on Wayland" ?
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4703[22:48:34] <cerealkill3r> jmcnaught, yes
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4710[22:49:27] <awal1> gdm3 3.14 doesn't have 'gnome in wayland' I believe so, maybe it have 'fallback...'
4711[22:49:40] <cerealkill3r> awal1, that's what it was called
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4713[22:49:50] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: did you configure it to automatically log you in?
4714[22:49:59] <cerealkill3r> thurstylark, no
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4716[22:50:09] <cerealkill3r> but i want to switch back to system default
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4719[22:52:46] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: what is in /var/cache/gdm/$USER/dmrc ?
4720[22:52:56] <thurstylark> Where $USER is your username.
4721[22:53:32] <cerealkill3r> there is no folder with my username in /var/cache/gdm
4722[22:53:35] <cerealkill3r> it's empty
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4726[22:54:49] <thurstylark> oh, wait, that's legacy.
4727[22:55:14] <RoyK> anyone here that knows an irc channel for opendedup?
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4729[22:56:03] <bmomjian> What content should _not_ be moved into /var/replaced-url
4730[22:56:55] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Apropos what docs?
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4735[22:57:00] <awal1> cerealkill3r, can you please "cat" and paste the content of your /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop file?
4736[22:57:21] <greycat> bmomjian: Don't move any virtual domains. Just the fallback stuff that you get when NOT matching any virtual domains.
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4741[22:57:35] <tako> somiaj, i'm getting error after i remove bumblebee nvidia
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4743[22:57:45] <bmomjian> ah, ok, thanks
4744[22:57:50] <Akuw> can a user belong to more than one group and have diferent roles in that groups?
4745[22:57:51] <tako> somiaj, i'm trying to follow steps
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4747[22:57:52] <cerealkill3r> awal1, replaced-url
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4749[22:58:13] <greycat> Akuw: a user can belong to multiple groups. There's a limit, but I don't know what it is currently.
4750[22:58:30] <greycat> At one point I believe it was 32.
4751[22:58:35] <karlpinc> Akuw: But can only be in one "primary group".
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4754[22:58:52] <karlpinc> !tell Akuw about upg
4755[22:58:54] <Akuw> greycat: but can that user have difernt permisions in diferent groups?
4756[22:59:00] <greycat> ... what?
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4758[22:59:09] <greycat> You don
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4760[22:59:15] <greycat> You don't have "permissions inside groups".
4761[22:59:33] <karlpinc> Akuw: Groups are given permissions to filesystem objects.
4762[22:59:33] <thurstylark> Akuw: a user is either in a group or out of a group. That's it.
4763[22:59:44] <greycat> If you are in group goat, you can read all of the files that have +r for group goat.
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4767[23:00:40] <Akuw> then file permision if by user right?
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4770[23:01:11] <karlpinc> Akuw: Users are also given permission to filesystem objects.
4771[23:01:11] <Akuw> so, only one is owner, and group can have access to that file too
4772[23:01:13] <greycat> Akuw: you can start with replaced-url
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4780[23:02:48] <karlpinc> !tell Akuw about permissions
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4784[23:03:39] <cerealkill3r> So i'm guessing the problem is that it uses gnome wayland by default
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4789[23:05:07] <thurstylark> cerealkill3r: what else is in /usr/share/xsessions ?
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4792[23:05:30] <cerealkill3r> thurstylark, nothing except gnome.desktop
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4797[23:05:44] <greycat> Have we reached the "purge gdm3, reinstall gdm3" stage yet?
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4800[23:06:02] <cerealkill3r> greycat, i did a reinstall
4801[23:06:07] <cerealkill3r> not purge,but reinstall
4802[23:06:17] <karlpinc> cerealkill3r: If you didn't do a purge then the original configs are still there.
4803[23:06:18] <greycat> Purge is the important step, because that removes the config files.
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4805[23:06:29] <thurstylark> greycat: kill it with fire, allow a reborn machine arise from the ashes.
4806[23:06:33] <karlpinc> cerealkill3r: (This is what a purge does.)
4807[23:06:36] <awal1> cerealkill3r, what happens if you change 'Exec=gnome-session' by 'Exec=gnome-shell' then "systemctl restart gdm3.service" ?
4808[23:06:48] <cerealkill3r> awal1, will try now
4809[23:06:48] <Slimmy> hello. I installed only very basic debian. I had no gui internet applets. I got wicd but recently I installed some packages that got me NetworkManager too. How to only remove NetworkManager and not its dependencies? It also tries to uninstall python3 and 30 more MB of other software I want to keep
4810[23:07:49] <awal1> cerealkill3r, if it doesn't work, undo the change you maid :)
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4813[23:08:16] <Slimmy> I forgot to clarify, it tries to uninstall the software I want to keep with su -c 'apt-get remove wicd"
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4815[23:08:52] <Slimmy> darn. I made a typo. I meant 'apt-get remove wicd'* Sorry for the spam. I also would like to add that I want to either remove NetworkManager or wicd.
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4819[23:09:14] <cerealkill3r> awal1, tried, rebooted and the same result
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4822[23:09:25] <darsie> How do I install 32 bit libcurl?
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4825[23:09:43] <greycat> !tell darsie about multiarch
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4828[23:09:53] <awal1> cerealkill3r, check this replaced-url
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4832[23:10:37] <greycat> darsie: after doing the steps dpkg told you about, apt-get install libcurl3:i386
4833[23:10:45] <darsie> thx
4834[23:10:59] <karlpinc> Slimmy: Use "apt-cache depends NetworkManager" to see what packages networkmanager needs. Then use "aptitude unmarkauto" on those (or a subset therof) that you want to keep. Then you can get rid of networkmanager and it'll keep the depenencies just as if you'd asked for those to be installed.
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4837[23:11:31] <karlpinc> Slimmy: I think apt-get has a similar unmarkauto option, but don't recall what it is.
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4839[23:11:44] <Slimmy> karlpinc: Thanks a lot for the info. I will try it right away.
4840[23:11:45] <karlpinc> Slimmy: Since yiou
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4843[23:12:02] <karlpinc> Slimmy: Since you seem to be using apt-get you might want to use it instead of aptitude.
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4851[23:13:08] <Slimmy> karlpinc: I just am not familiar with aptitude but it's worth a shot
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4855[23:14:01] <awal1> cerealkill3r, the extreme suggestion is purging gdm3 , removing related directories and files in your /home and /
4856[23:14:02] <karlpinc> Slimmy: I can't say for sure that the "automatically installed" flags for apt-get and aptitude are the same flag. I think they got unified but if not you're better off with apt-get.
4857[23:14:04] <Slimmy> karlpinc: Um I get like 121 packages to be removed. Won't it take loads of time to unmark all those
4858[23:14:12] <darsie> greycat: E: Unable to locate package libcurl3
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4860[23:14:34] <darsie> greycat: apt-cache finds it.
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4862[23:14:46] <cerealkill3r> awal1, Trying what you gave me a minute ago, will be back :)
4863[23:14:55] <greycat> Are you *sure* you did the --add-architecture and the update?
4864[23:15:06] <darsie> greycat: pretty sure
4865[23:15:08] <Slimmy> karlpinc: apt-get remove networkmanager gets me "unable to locate networkmanager" while aptitude locates it. When I had tried apt-get I targeted wicd
4866[23:15:10] <karlpinc> Slimmy: If you do it by hand, yes. You could script it. Or just pick some you know you want to unmarkauto and try the remove again. Some of the packages you unmarkauto will keep others from being removed.
4867[23:15:27] <greycat> Try the apt-get update once more.
4868[23:15:34] <cerealkill3r> awal1, it was indeed set to gnome wayland, will reboot now
4869[23:15:37] <darsie> I did. I'll do it again.
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4871[23:15:49] <karlpinc> Slimmy: Is it a case-sensitive thing? (I can't recall....)
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4873[23:16:03] <darsie> greycat: well, I did aptitude update the second time.
4874[23:16:13] <awal1> cerealkill3r, also, you can try installing another DM (lightdm/wdm) and probably you will be able to log to your gnome shell then investigate your problem quietly
4875[23:16:27] <darsie> greycat: E: Unable to locate package libcurl3
4876[23:16:32] <greycat> darsie: ... and are you on jessie, or something older?
4877[23:16:38] <Slimmy> karlpinc: I tried it just in case but It can't locate it either way
4878[23:16:44] <darsie> jessie amd64
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4881[23:16:53] <greycat> ,v libcurl3:i386
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4883[23:16:54] <judd> No package named 'libcurl3:i386' was found in amd64.
4884[23:16:59] <greycat> ,v libcurl3 i386
4885[23:17:00] <judd> Package: libcurl3 on i386 -- squeeze: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze-security-lts: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze12; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 7.38.0-4+deb8u3; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u3; stretch: 7.47.0-1; sid: 7.47.0-1
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4888[23:17:04] <karlpinc> Slimmy: You probably don't want to unmarkauto _everything_. Just the stuff that networkmanager directly depends on. Come to think of it, "aptitude show networkmanager" will tell you the direct dependencies.
4889[23:17:04] <greycat> It should be there.
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4893[23:17:22] <cerealkill3r> awal1, It worked, but my theme is changed and a bit different
4894[23:17:32] <karlpinc> Slimmy: So really the whole apt-cache command is overkill. Sorry.
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4898[23:18:08] <awal1> cerealkill3r, what worked?
4899[23:18:09] <karlpinc> Slimmy: It's very odd that aptitude would find a package and apt-get won't. Something seems broken.
4900[23:18:14] <darsie> greycat: ckan.exe (package manager for kerbal space program) doesn't find libcurl.
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4902[23:18:20] <Slimmy> karlpinc: There is no problem. Thanks for helping either way. Allow me some time to take a look
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4904[23:18:26] <greycat> darsie: *what*
4905[23:18:31] <markybob> wtf
4906[23:18:34] <tako> should i install this after the bumblebee installation ? =replaced-url
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4908[23:18:51] <darsie> karlpinc: Well, it finds libcurl3, not libcurl:386 specifically.
4909[23:19:17] <darsie> greycat: They made a package management for KSP (a space simulation game) mods.
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4911[23:19:30] <Slimmy> karlpinc: The weirdest thing just happened. Now either commands can't locate wicd. Damn. I feel like my pc is playing tricks on me
4912[23:19:32] <cerealkill3r> awal1, /var/lib/AccountsService/users/username adding gnome to this
4913[23:19:39] <greycat> I'm just going to assume "this is the thing that needs libcurl3 i386" and smile and nod.
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4916[23:19:47] <darsie> greycat: yes.
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4918[23:19:58] <cerealkill3r> but my theme is all messed up and it doesn't look the same, i had System Default selected first
4919[23:20:00] <markybob> darsie: did you not include the i? it's not :386 it's :i386
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4922[23:20:41] <darsie> markovh: yeah, I forgot the i. thx
4923[23:20:58] <greycat> horrible IRC client nick completion, too
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4925[23:22:22] <awal1> cerealkill3r, the redhat is well explained, try what explained there.
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4928[23:22:29] <awal1> cerealkill3r, also, you can try installing another DM (lightdm/wdm) and probably you will be able to log to your gnome shell then investigate your problem quietly
4929[23:22:41] <karlpinc> Slimmy: It's haunted. You can be on TV! ;-)
4930[23:22:48] <Slimmy> karlpinc: I also searched wicd in synaptic. I seem to have installed wicd-gtk, wicd-daemon and wicd-python
4931[23:22:55] <cerealkill3r> awal1, It worked what's in there but messed up my customization
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4933[23:23:01] <awal1> before installing another DM, undo the changes you made in gnome.desktop file
4934[23:23:12] <Slimmy> karlpinc: Wow! I will take my pc to a freak show
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4936[23:23:24] <cerealkill3r> what's the default gnome session?
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4938[23:23:59] <cerealkill3r> never mind, thanks for your help guys! :)
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4941[23:24:22] <darsie> Hmm, I now have libcurl3:amd64 libcurl3:i386 , but ckan.exe still says [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.DllNotFoundException: libcurl
4942[23:24:46] <markybob> darsie: no one here knows what that is. you should ask them.
4943[23:24:53] <darsie> yeah
4944[23:25:01] <darsie> thx
4945[23:25:03] <awal1> cerealkill3r, if I were you I'll try removing that gnome.desktop file after loging out from grom and being in Console (tty) and see what happens. gdm3 and/or other gnome stuff will create it again
4946[23:25:16] <awal1> from gnome ^
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4953[23:28:57] <tst^> karlpinc: Thanks a lot. I uninstalled using synaptic and I'm cool
4954[23:29:20] <tst^> karlpinc: For some reason I couldn't use my old hostname. I'm slimmy
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4956[23:29:39] <awal1> Any one using 'qingy' with systemd?
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4960[23:30:43] <darsie> markybob: I needed 'aptitude install libcurl4-openssl-dev' as found on replaced-url
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4967[23:34:09] <Slimmy> I saw in Stretch Alpha 5 changelog that there is no more support for older processors. To quote "Because most people choose 32 bit because of lower system requirements and not 32 bit processors.". My processor is 686. Do I support 64 bit debian?
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4977[23:37:01] <markybob> Slimmy: if you're 686 it's still supported. nothing's changed for you.
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4982[23:38:15] <Slimmy> markybob: I know. I'm using this build at the moment too. What I'm asking is does my trustworthy laptop support 64 bit or just 32 bit?
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4985[23:38:47] <john> hi all :)
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4987[23:38:53] <markybob> Slimmy: i don't know what your processor is.
4988[23:39:01] <john> is zram enabled by default?
4989[23:39:03] <jhutchins> Slimmy: cat /proc/cpuinfo
4990[23:39:15] <markybob> Slimmy: if it's less then 10 years old it probably supports 64
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4995[23:40:32] <jhutchins> Slimmy: A live iso might answer your questions.
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4997[23:40:35] <Slimmy> it says 32 bits :/
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4999[23:40:49] <simonlnu> i would like to note that i appreciate and like the php packaging changes being done. very cool.
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5001[23:41:29] <john> Does anyone know is my RAM is compressed by default on Debian?
5002[23:41:37] <john> Or is it like, um, something extra i have to do?
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5005[23:42:42] <jmcnaught> john: it's something you would need to configure yourself
5006[23:42:49] <john> ah, awesome :D
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5008[23:43:03] <john> That's awesome, because it means i can cram more into my ram :)
5009[23:43:19] <john> Do you know anything about how it works?
5010[23:43:21] <Slimmy> Speaking of processors, any way to overclock my 1.6 ghz processor to 1.9 or 1.8 in debian?
5011[23:43:34] <darsie> How slow is compressed ram?
5012[23:43:41] <Slimmy> It's Atom N270. But I'm looking for a processor independent way
5013[23:43:42] <john> Is it like, if the file is 40Mb on disk (gzipped) it will be 40Mb i ram?
5014[23:43:43] <simonlnu> john: it's an extra, setting up zram
5015[23:44:08] <simonlnu> darsie: not recommended on something like an m68k ;)
5016[23:44:16] <darsie> :)
5017[23:44:18] <john> shweeeett
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5019[23:44:24] <darsie> Amiga
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5023[23:44:58] <simonlnu> yeah, or those mac ones. i wouldn't do it on those.
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5031[23:47:15] <john> woooooah
5032[23:47:26] <john> You can MAKE RAM on Debian?!
5033[23:47:55] <simonlnu> no such thing. you can add extra memory
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5035[23:48:10] <john> Like, i just did "modprobe zram" and then "echo $((50*1024*1024)) > /sys/block/zram0/disksize
5036[23:48:18] <john> and boom - 50Mb /dev/zram0
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5038[23:48:46] <simonlnu> um, yeah.
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5040[23:48:51] <john> I wonder if that means i have less ram in my usual... place
5041[23:48:58] <john> wherever that may be
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5043[23:49:13] <john> Man, i wonder if I can get python to use certain ram places
5044[23:49:25] <tako> bumblebee-nvidia : Depends: bumblebee (= 3.2.1-7) but 3.2.1-10~bpo8+1 is to be installed
5045[23:49:28] <tako> what is this mean ?
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5049[23:50:44] <teraflops> tako: are you in debian jessie?
5050[23:51:27] <tako> yes
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5053[23:51:51] <tako> i installed nvidia driver from jessie backports
5054[23:51:54] <tako> after i remove it
5055[23:52:04] <teraflops> 3.2.1-10~bpo8+1
5056[23:52:06] <tako> now i'm trying to install bumblebee getting this error
5057[23:52:22] <teraflops> it still tries to install the backported one
5058[23:52:51] <tako> what should i do
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5060[23:53:51] <tako> actually i just want to remove all nvidia things and use nouveau
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5063[23:55:59] <tako> why the system trying to get this thing from backports
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5066[23:57:19] <simonlnu> john: you now have to add it via mkswap and swapon...
5067[23:57:51] <simonlnu> john: i suggest reading man zramctl too
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5069[23:58:13] <lost_soul> if I boot a system using ide=nodma will that also affect my sata drives... I would think no but thought it best to ask.
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5071[23:59:25] <john> Oh, i dont want to use it for swap
5072[23:59:33] <john> I want to use it in place of actual ram
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