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5 [00:02:56] <dTal> a228: try #git
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22 [00:13:38] <booyah> debian 9 sucks
23 [00:13:56] <eck> rude
24 [00:14:01] <booyah> it's true tho
25 [00:14:11] <booyah> several things broke on upgrade from deb8
26 [00:14:27] <eck> like what
27 [00:14:35] <booyah> logging into several X displays
28 [00:14:51] <booyah> when they lock-screen (screensaver?) then
there is no way to unlock them
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30 [00:14:56] <booyah> and you need to killall -u .... -9
31 [00:15:10] <eck> i guess you'll have to switch to
slackware
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33 [00:15:47] <booyah> too bad there isn't something
exactly like debian, but less systemd/bullshit, and more polish
34 [00:16:04] <eck> it exists, it's called slackware
35 [00:16:06] <eck> you're going to love it
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37 [00:16:25] <booyah> hmm
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113 [00:51:46] <d3l1ght> and devuan bru
114 [00:51:48] <d3l1ght> :P
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124 [00:57:57] <karstenk> My Postfix wont start, no port 25 open,
so cant telnet. no error in log. what can I do?
125 [00:58:16] <karstenk> service postfix status say active
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145 [01:10:43] <themill> karstenk: you need to enable the
particular postfix config you want to use -- see README.Debian
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159 [01:20:09] <pacha> hi everyone
160 [01:20:21] <bazhang> hi
161 [01:20:29] <pacha> when I kill my Xorg instance, it
automatically restarts itself. is it possible to disable this
behaviour?
162 [01:21:14] <bazhang> pacha, why not stop the ightdm or
whichever service
163 [01:21:18] <bazhang> lightdm
164 [01:21:48] <pacha> bazhang: I use nodm
165 [01:22:46] <pacha> and my problem is that when I do
"sudo reboot" or shutdown or similar, Xorg gets killed,
and it starts again while rebooting
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167 [01:23:15] <pacha> Xorg and related things (my wm, some
default applications that run on start up, etc)
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170 [01:24:08] <GhostwalkGames> Why is #debian more popular than
#ubuntu on freenode?
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190 [01:40:25] <linurandy> hello to everyone i've problems
with my hybrid wireless card, i can't create hotspot, join
device by bluetooth and set in monitor's mode
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193 [01:40:43] <linurandy> 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]:
Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01)
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205 [01:48:14] <LtL> ,pciid 14e4:4365
206 [01:48:15] <judd> [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142
802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Limited' with kernel
modules 'bcma', 'brcmfmac' in stretch. See also
replaced-url
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213 [01:49:41] <LtL> linurandy: that would be for you, see
judd's msg above
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219 [01:52:39] <linurandy> judd: what i suppous tu do?
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224 [01:54:55] <LtL> linurandy: type lsmod see if those modules
exist, if not 'modprobe -a bcma brcmfmac' no quotes.
225 [01:55:34] <LtL> !nl
226 [01:55:34] <dpkg> Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt
U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join
#debian-nl.
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228 [01:56:41] <linurandy> bcma 53248 0
229 [01:56:52] <linurandy> LtL: bcma 53248 0
230 [01:57:34] <LtL> linurandy: modprobe brcmfmac
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234 [01:58:58] <linurandy> LtL: I installed the b43-fwcutter and
wl, is that enough or i run that command too?
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237 [02:00:17] <LtL> linurandy: why b43-fwcutter, did you get
that information somewhere?
238 [02:00:25] <linurandy> LtL: what i do now.
239 [02:00:35] <linurandy> LtL: from #debian-es
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241 [02:01:09] <linurandy> i ran modprobe, what i've to do
now?
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243 [02:01:48] <LtL> linurandy: try the device
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246 [02:02:09] <linurandy> LtL: with the network-manager?
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251 [02:04:26] <linurandy> LtL: i'm tried create hotspot and
nothing
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255 [02:05:33] <linurandy> LtL: buetooth nothing
256 [02:05:58] <LtL> linurandy: b43-fwcutter i doubt was correct
257 [02:06:08] <LtL> try
replaced-url
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266 [02:11:12] <LtL> linurandy:
replaced-url
267 [02:11:41] <LtL> linurandy: apt-get --purge remove
b43-fwcutter and hope it works
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275 [02:13:58] <zRecursive> Still no sound:
replaced-url
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284 [02:16:43] <linurandy> LtL: i was that package installed
285 [02:17:56] <linurandy> LtL: help me first to set a hotspot,
'cause when i use network-manager, nothing
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287 [02:18:09] <linurandy> LtL: or i'm doing some wrong
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292 [02:19:42] <LtL> linurandy: i have no experience with hotspot
broadcom chipsets, maybe someone else can help you
293 [02:20:03] <linurandy> LtL: thanks
294 [02:20:18] <LtL> linurandy: i think b43-fwcutter was a
mistake
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296 [02:20:33] <linurandy> hello to everyone i've problems
with my hybrid wireless card, i can't create hotspot, join
device by bluetooth and set in monitor's mode
297 [02:20:35] <linurandy> 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]:
Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01)
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303 [02:24:49] <n4dir> iirc i was told broadcom isn't know
to work well with debian (perhaps even gnu/linux in general). Pretty
sure i do recall correct, as i got one myself (and can't set it
up at all)
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305 [02:25:32] <bazhang> it works, that 43xx is one of the best
supported of the bunch, in fact
306 [02:25:37] <LtL> linurandy:
replaced-url
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310 [02:26:18] <u0_a75> hi
311 [02:26:25] <u0_a75> i hate DTAG
312 [02:26:33] <castleguard> hey guys I'm looking for a gui
ide, hopefully using gtk2, thinking about Lime Text and Geany
Editor... not using vim/emacs yet... trying to put that off right
now... any suggestions?
313 [02:26:41] <castleguard> I have used pycharm in the past and
it's pretty sweet :)
314 [02:27:00] <u0_a75> can you tell me a debian mirror that has
good DTAG connection??
315 [02:27:17] <linurandy> LtL: yes but i can't does that
things
316 [02:27:37] <linurandy> LtL: i connect to another networks
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318 [02:28:40] <u0_a75> castleguard: did you tried pluma/gedit?
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320 [02:29:24] <u0_a75> in which direction do you want to go/what
do you like or dislike on text editors?
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322 [02:29:54] <n4dir> castleguard: which programming language?
for C codelite and code::blocks come to mind. (the usual: vim or
emacs proposal here, sure worth the effort, imho)
323 [02:30:22] <n4dir> i do recall that quite a few really liked
geany though.
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326 [02:31:31] <u0_a75> good dtag mirror or bad, any tests jet?
327 [02:32:01] <castleguard> u0_a75: never tried pluma, used to
use gedit in the past... but not as a power user, just like a
notepad. I think what I would like is the thing in pycharm where you
can replace one thing and it changed it through the whole source,
and where you can revert to previous versions of the code
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329 [02:32:17] <castleguard> I'm planning on using python,
c, c++
330 [02:33:19] <castleguard> n4dir: will do re: vim/emacs but not
today. :)
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332 [02:34:00] <n4dir> sure, slowly. vim sure was confusing for
me (not that i could do that much now ... )
333 [02:34:08] <u0_a75> ok, i am using gvim for notes and pro
stuff...
334 [02:34:28] <castleguard> n4dir: Trying to hit one learning
curve at a time. so right now, git, and hopefully within a day or
two, python. Minimizing editor learning for now.
335 [02:34:35] <u0_a75> but its not a thing anybody likes...
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337 [02:34:57] <n4dir> replacing with vim is really good. not
sure about different versions and going back (git comes to mind for
such, i didn't know IDE's can do that. lol)
338 [02:35:50] <LtL> linurandy: you need kernel headers for the
dkms package, translate the wiki to espanol
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341 [02:36:28] <n4dir> i don't even know if more IDE's
for C are available in debian , besides codeblocks and codelite (and
there seems to be something from kde, but i never ran into it).
castleguard
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346 [02:40:09] <linurandy> n4dir: Eclipse
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348 [02:41:43] <LtL> #714114
349 [02:41:44] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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352 [02:42:11] <castleguard> ok ty guys I appreciate it - decided
on geany I guess... probably vim in a few months. :)
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354 [02:42:34] <n4dir> linurandy: thanks. i should have stressed
more that i only talked about what i ran into.
355 [02:42:37] <castleguard> ty for your help in the last few
days - getting set up has been a pain but at the same time SO much
easier than LFS/Gentoo
356 [02:42:40] <castleguard> like, so good. :)
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362 [02:44:54] <n4dir> castleguard: start right away, five
minutes a day. esc :x to save and close; esc :!q to close without
saving; i to insert text.
363 [02:45:01] <n4dir> :-)
364 [02:45:16] <n4dir> i had to kill the terminal to close it.
lol
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366 [02:46:26] <LtL> linurandy:
replaced-url
367 [02:46:30] <johnjay> fun fact. on bsd there is some kind of
vi called nvi which doesn't follow those keystroke commands
n4dir
368 [02:46:44] <johnjay> I know because I tried hitting
'i' a lot as you suggested, and it did nothing.
369 [02:46:49] <LtL> linurandy: if it works at all, i would leave
it be
370 [02:46:49] <johnjay> fortunately on bsd they have ee to edit
text.
371 [02:47:29] <n4dir> johnjay: yeah. and per default usually vi
is installed, not vim. Now i get around it, but in the beginning i
went mad.
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373 [02:49:27] <LtL> linurandy:
replaced-url
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376 [02:51:00] <linurandy> LtL: i've installed
linux-image-4.9.0.4-amd64. is the same that linux-image-amd64?
377 [02:51:22] <LtL> linurandy: yes that is stable v9
378 [02:51:38] <LtL> stretch
379 [02:51:46] <castleguard> n4dir: lol me too - that
doesn't make it a bad suggestion though, build a good habit, :)
I'm sure we'll see eachother around. :)
380 [02:51:47] <linurandy> LtL: i've installed all the
package
381 [02:51:57] <linurandy> LtL: before
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384 [02:52:14] <linurandy> LtL: 'cause i've installed
virtualbox
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386 [02:54:40] <LtL> linurandy: maybe #vbox can help you.
i'm not sure exactly what you are doing.
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388 [02:56:07] <linurandy> LtL: sorry just tall you for understan
that i've installed before
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392 [03:00:08] <awal1> I noticied that battery ast much more time
with 'gnome' compared to any other DE I tried. Any
technical good clarification?
393 [03:00:39] <awal1> I want to try to reproduce what gnome
does, i possible, under my openbox :)
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395 [03:00:55] <awal1> battery lasts
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403 [03:05:18] <awal1> (gnome sid version if any)
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libglib2.0-0:a 2.50.3-2 ..., but why do i get XXX require
'glib-2.0 >= 2.6.1', make sure that you install it ?
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556 [04:04:18] <castleguard> I'm trying to get dwm to work,
I made changes to config.h and typed sudo make clean install, and
nothing has changed. specifically, I tried to edit my termcmd* to be
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691 [06:23:22] <incal> I'm using pic(1) to do a map, when I
do a label and uses Swedish chars they turn out gibberish in the
output drawing, unfortunately this is not technology but a drawing
of some houses which has names that are impossible to translate
without it looking silly, so I'd like not to do it - anyone has
any idea how those chare could be quoted or otherwise inserted? it
is part of the whole groff (roff) thing so I'm pretty sure it
can be done if
692 [06:23:22] <incal> one knows how
693 [06:24:10] <incal> ha ha poor English - another reason not to
translate it :)
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741 [07:20:50] <incal> OK found it, you do it like this for
unicode \[u00E5]
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745 [07:22:34] <zRecursive> what's the difference between
mpg123 and mpg321 ?
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758 [07:34:49] <AciD`> hey guys
759 [07:35:35] <AciD`> anybody here managed to install fotowall
to stretch? The package exists in wheezy, jessie and sid, but not in
the current version, this is weird :
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761 [07:36:33] <xz> hi there, I just installed debian 9 on intel
NUC. I have 2 displays, one 22inch full hd, another one Dell U3011
(2560x1600)
762 [07:36:48] <xz> the Dell max resolution is not recognized
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766 [07:37:19] <xz> Debian set it to 1920x1200; how do I manage
to have that have maximum resolution?
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768 [07:37:26] <xz> I'm on Gnome
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771 [07:39:19] <xz> I also got warned when installing that some
of the hardware (wifi/graphics) need extra non-free firmware
772 [07:39:24] <xz> maybe that's part of the problem
773 [07:40:42] <xz> lspci shows I'm using i915 driver
774 [07:41:06] <towo^work> that's only the kernel part
775 [07:41:25] <xz> towo^work: ok, do I need to add extra mode to
xrandr ?
776 [07:41:28] <towo^work> for your problem the used ddx is
important
777 [07:42:11] <towo^work> and if the gpu is >= skylake, you
need non-free firmware for the graphics, for propper working
graphics
778 [07:42:26] <xz> towo^work: ok, so how do I figure out all
that?
779 [07:42:47] <towo^work> the used ddx is written in the
Xorg.0.log
780 [07:42:59] <towo^work> what hardware you use, you should know
yourself
781 [07:43:41] <towo^work> but lspci should tell you
782 [07:45:11] <zRecursive> diff of mpg123 and mpg321 ?
783 [07:45:42] <zRecursive> I am not very convenient to look it
up now.
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790 [07:48:06] <xz> towo^work: I think it's using Xfree86
791 [07:48:23] <zRecursive> Got it! mpg321 is a reduced mpg123,
thx.
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794 [07:49:07] <xz> towo^work: and graphics card is Iris Graphics
6100
795 [07:49:09] <towo^work> XFree86 is not a driver, it's a
graphics stack, like wayland is one
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799 [07:51:42] <xz> towo^work: lsmod shows i915
800 [07:51:44] <towo^work> ires 6100 should not need firmware,
since it is Broadwell
801 [07:52:12] <towo^work> xz, again, i915 is a kernel driver,
has nothing to do with the graphics resolution in x
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803 [07:52:33] <xz> towo^work: I don't know how to find it
then
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805 [07:52:40] <towo^work> and debian is using modeset-ddx a s
default for intel graphics
806 [07:52:49] <xz> most of the Xorg log is modesets and
resolutions
807 [07:53:02] <towo^work> xz, read it again, Xorg.0.log will
tell you, which ddx is used
808 [07:53:18] <towo^work> and maybe modeset-ddx is your problem
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810 [07:53:45] <towo^work> if you want to try the intel-ddx, you
need to make a xorg.conf snipped for it
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812 [07:54:42] <xz> towo^work: LoadModule: "glx" ?
813 [07:54:56] <towo^work> and btw, if the native resolution is
not recognized propper, even a bad cable could be the cause, or an
maybe used adaptor
814 [07:55:42] <xz> towo^work: I had exactly same setup with Mac
connected and they picked up native resoultion for both displays on
the spot
815 [07:56:47] <xz> towo^work: and it's Mac Mini from 2010,
so nothing brand new
816 [07:56:57] <towo^work> macos does not have the same graphics
stack as linux is using, so you compare apples to pears
817 [07:57:20] <towo^work> mac is no standard hardware for the
rest of the world, i'm out here
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820 [07:57:44] <xz> towo^work: all I'm saying cable is not
the one to blame
821 [07:59:06] <towo^work> if you think so, i will not believe it
822 [07:59:39] <towo^work> if X doesn't get a vald EDID from
the monitor, you won't get a propper resolution
823 [08:00:02] <xz> towo^work: are you suggesting I try software
solution, or look for another cable?
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825 [08:00:16] <xz> towo^work: I have some random cables around
house
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827 [08:00:32] <towo^work> i would read the x-log, it's all
there
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835 [08:03:34] <xz> towo^work: regarding modules I found: glx,
fbdev, vesa, fbdevhw, glamoregl
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839 [08:04:52] <xz> towo^work:
replaced-url
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843 [08:06:57] <xz> towo^work: um, that's better one:
replaced-url
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853 [08:10:18] <towo^work> your sytem is using modesetting ddx,
as i told you earlyer
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855 [08:10:51] <towo^work> the system gets only 1600x1200 as
maximum resolution per edid
856 [08:11:20] <xz> towo^work: how can I fix it?
857 [08:11:31] <towo^work> so you can try to ad a new modeline,
try the intel ddx, or try another cable
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860 [08:11:52] <xz> alright, I will start with modeline
861 [08:11:56] <xz> that's with xrandr, right?
862 [08:12:05] <towo^work> sure
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866 [08:15:24] <xz> so I did cvt 2560 1600, xrandr --newmode
"....", xrandr --addmode HDMI-1
"2560x1600_60.00" and xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode
"2560x1600_60.00"
867 [08:15:31] <xz> no change
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869 [08:15:38] <xz> only: xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed
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871 [08:16:20] <xz> towo^work: so next is intel ddx, how do I get
that?
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873 [08:16:55] <towo^work> [07:53:45] <towo^work> if you
want to try the intel-ddx, you need to make a xorg.conf snipped for
it
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875 [08:17:49] <towo^work> xz, mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ;
echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My
GPU"\n\tDriver "intel"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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880 [08:20:02] <xz> towo^work: ok I have the file, do I reboot,
or reload it somehow?
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882 [08:20:14] <towo^work> xz, you have to restart X
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885 [08:22:21] <xz> towo^work: ok, that didn't change
anything yet
886 [08:22:26] <xz> towo^work: should I redo xrandr?
887 [08:24:02] <xz> towo^work: redoing xrandr didn't change
anything
888 [08:24:12] <xz> towo^work: I can connect it over DisplayPort
instead of HDMI
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896 [08:31:15] <xz> towo^work: displayport cable pushes full
2560x1600 without a problem
897 [08:31:21] <xz> towo^work: I guess you were right
898 [08:31:35] <xz> towo^work: HDMI could only go up to 1920x1200
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900 [08:32:03] <xz> towo^work: that doesn't change the fact,
however, that Mac Mini pushed full 2560x1600 over that very same
HDMI cable
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904 [08:34:44] <xz> should I revert back that 'intel
ddx' change?
905 [08:35:22] <towo^work> i would use the intel driver, if it is
running stable
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908 [08:44:10] <xz> towo^work: thanks for your insights!
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1023 [09:49:13] <silver_hook> While trying to fix a bug with
Python’s ConfigParser and Certbot (Debian Stretch), I figured
out that I can’t even force remove the faulty package:
replaced-url
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1025 [09:49:28] <silver_hook> The original issue I’m trying
to fix:
replaced-url
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1044 [10:00:54] <Simplar> Hello! I am running a 32-bit Opera
45.0.2552.898 on Debian 8 Jessie. I have a problem inserting H.264
support in it.
1045 [10:01:25] <bazhang> ,v x264
1046 [10:01:26] <judd> Package: x264 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; jessie: 2:0.142.2431+gita5831aa-1+b2;
jessie-backports: 2:0.148.2748+git97eaef2-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
2:0.148.2748+git97eaef2-1; buster: 2:0.148.2795+gitaaa9aa8-1; sid:
2:0.148.2795+gitaaa9aa8-1; wheezy-multimedia:
3:0.132.2310+git76a5c3a-dmo1; jessie-multimedia:
3:0.146.2538+git121396c-dmo2; stretch-multimedia:
1047 [10:01:27] <judd> 3:0.150.2833+gitdf79067-dmo1;
buster-multimedia: 3:0.152.2851+gitba24899-dmo2; sid-multimedia:
3:0.152.2851+gitba24899-dmo2
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1049 [10:02:06] <Simplar> Various forums say I need to include
ffmpeg codecs in Opera
1050 [10:02:07] <bazhang> install that for starters
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1054 [10:02:35] <bazhang> opera may have a plugin encoder to get
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1056 [10:02:41] <Simplar> I've managed to get Vivaldi working
with Chromium's ffmpeg codecs but I cannot find the right
version for Opera
1057 [10:02:42] <bazhang> firefox and others do
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1060 [10:06:53] <Simplar> I've seen herecura publishing the
64-bit version of opera-ffmpeg-codecs, his i686 folder is somehow
empty
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1092 [10:22:47] <Simplar>
replaced-url
1093 [10:22:53] <Simplar> Here is the solution
1094 [10:22:57] <Simplar> It worked for me.
1095 [10:23:24] <bazhang> rpm on debian?
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1109 [10:28:02] <karstenk_> Hello! I try to install
replaced-url
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1111 [10:30:11] <babilen> karstenk_: Which package of the few that
are linked on that page?
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1134 [10:43:28] <karstenk_> babilen could solve, my mistake -
thanks
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1137 [10:44:20] <karstenk_> but another problem with starting
services I think, never seen before: insserv: There is a loop
between service nscd and mysql if started
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1139 [10:44:44] <DimmuR> Hey I'm trying to install debian 9.2
on dell xps (no lan) and I have trouble with wifi detection.
I've downloaded firmware
replaced-url
1140 [10:44:57] <karstenk_> is there any command to print out the
sequence of services?
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1142 [10:46:10] <jelly> DimmuR: the driver just needs to find a
single (board) firmware; it tries multiple because one might have
more than one ath10k card in their system and load different
firmware for each
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1144 [10:46:56] <darxmurf> \o/ just finished to deal with a
Windows NT4 computer running a milling machine \o/ #FunFriday
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1147 [10:48:15] <bazhang> what sort of milling
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1149 [10:48:22] <jelly> DimmuR: sorry, one "board" and
one "firmware" firmware
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1151 [10:49:52] <darxmurf> bazhang: mechanics
1152 [10:50:08] <DimmuR> jelly, i have QCA6174/hw3.0 and inside
board.bin and board-2.bin and firmware-4.bin (that was in
repository) and have only one card, but it still notifying me about
not finding those files
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1157 [10:51:18] <DimmuR> jelly, are those pre-cal and cal files
just copies of board.bin?
1158 [10:51:47] <jelly> I think so.
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1160 [10:52:11] <jelly> or maybe not
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1162 [10:53:05] <jelly> DimmuR: this is from my router (not
debian, but PCIe card using same driver):
replaced-url
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1164 [10:54:54] <DimmuR> jelly, so despite fact of the same size
they are different... I don't see those pre-cal/cal files in
repo :/
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1199 [11:11:10] <karstenk_> How to get libjpeg8 for debian
stretch?
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1201 [11:11:38] <babilen> karstenk_: You don't, that's a
wheezy library
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1203 [11:12:11] <babilen> Recompile the software against the
current library (if that works/make it work if it doesn't)
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1209 [11:14:29] <karstenk_> babilen , that means not installable?
sry iam new with debian
1210 [11:15:05] <karstenk_> I need it to install a special
wkhtmtopdf 0.12.1 with patched qt
1211 [11:15:17] <karstenk_> and that needs that libary
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1213 [11:16:14] <babilen> karstenk_: You might be able to install
the wheezy package manually with "dpkg -i
/path/to/the/package.deb;apt-get -f install", but that might
also not work (remove with with "dpkg --purge libjpeg8" in
that case) and cause all sorts of pain
1214 [11:16:56] <babilen> judd: v wkhtmltopdf
1215 [11:16:57] <judd> Package: wkhtmltopdf on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.9.9-4; wheezy-backports: 0.12.0-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.12.1-2;
buster: 0.12.3.2-3; sid: 0.12.3.2-3; stretch: 0.12.3.2-3
1216 [11:17:10] <Iridos> why can't you compile with a current
library?
1217 [11:17:12] <babilen> karstenk_: Why not install the
wkhtmltopdf that comes with Debian?
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1219 [11:17:29] <babilen> "apt-get install wkhtmltopdf"
and you're done
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1221 [11:17:55] <Iridos> \o/
1222 [11:17:57] <karstenk_> cause my erp is not compatible, need
patched qt and the from apt repos is 0.12.3 without patch
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1226 [11:18:09] <fredl> d'oh
1227 [11:18:14] <babilen> erp?
1228 [11:18:21] <karstenk_> odoo
1229 [11:18:24] <fredl> why do even silly bootloaders have to
become so complicated
1230 [11:18:30] <fredl> I want LILO back :)
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1232 [11:18:50] <babilen> karstenk_: What's this
"erp" that's not compatible?
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1235 [11:19:04] <karstenk_> babilen odoo
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1239 [11:19:41] <fredl> anyway folks, I'm trying to reinstall
grub on my HD
1240 [11:19:45] <babilen> karstenk_: Please go on, I don't
quite yet understand how that relates to Debian
1241 [11:20:26] <karstenk_> you asked, I answered, my question was
how to get libjpeg8 on stretch
1242 [11:20:34] <fredl> So what is this then:
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1245 [11:20:41] <fredl> root@debian:/# grub-install
--target=i386-pc --recheck /dev/sdb
1246 [11:20:41] <fredl> Installing for i386-pc platform.
1247 [11:20:41] <fredl> grub-install: error: failed to get
canonical path of `overlay'.
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1249 [11:20:54] <fredl> I mean... WTF?
1250 [11:21:04] <babilen> karstenk_: No, sure .. but you
shouldn't have a problem at all with qt on a standard Debian
installation
1251 [11:21:26] <fredl> and yes I know, I have BIOS partitions,
not EFI, I'm old :D
1252 [11:21:44] <babilen> karstenk_: Either way, if you don't
like to discuss this further, see above for additional information
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1256 [11:23:30] <karstenk_> babilen thanks for help. dpkg -i
libjpeg8_8d-1+deb7u1_amd64.deb worked and the result pdf is also
correct
1257 [11:23:30] <Iridos> you can always just unpack the wheezy
package, put the software in its own directory, put the library
there as well and write a wrapper to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH before the
program is called
1258 [11:23:36] <babilen> In fact the software you want to install
is *already* available in Debian and I see no reason why it
wouldn't work on Debian
1259 [11:23:52] <Iridos> but we seriously wonder why
1260 [11:24:18] <fredl> nobody?
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1262 [11:24:51] <Franciman> Hello
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1266 [11:25:54] <Franciman> I'd like to switch to debian. But
is there an internet webpage that shows me the list of packages and
their version in the repos?
1267 [11:26:21] <babilen> Franciman:
replaced-url
1268 [11:26:35] <babilen> aka
replaced-url
1269 [11:26:35] <Franciman> thank you very much
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1343 [12:15:56] <hhes> hey, on my fresh debian 9 I can see:
replaced-url
1344 [12:16:11] <hhes> does anybody know why it's like that?
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1379 [12:29:49] <anirban> I am unable to use sudo in debian
stretch. I have myself added to the sudo group and my sudoers file
reads 'sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL'.
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1383 [12:31:36] <p0g0> anirban: does 'su -l' work in a
console?
1384 [12:31:46] <p0g0> it is not the same, I am just asking.
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1386 [12:32:00] <anirban> Yeah, p0g0
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1388 [12:32:35] <castleguard> just curious if anyone can hear me?
1389 [12:33:33] <p0g0> hear?
1390 [12:34:33] <themill> anirban: are you actually in the sudo
group? (what does 'id' output)
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1392 [12:35:06] <anirban> uid=1000(anirban) gid=1000(anirban)
groups=1000(anirban),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),113(bluetooth),115(lpadmin),116(scanner),124(libvirt),129(vboxusers)
1393 [12:35:32] <themill> good to see
1394 [12:36:06] <castleguard> p0g0: :) thanks man
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1396 [12:37:41] <castleguard> I'm running into an issue with
dwm where it "steals" my keystrokes. For instance, if
I'm using gedit and try to hit alt-f to access the file menu in
gedit it switches to floating mode in dwm instead. How do I specify
that I'm talking to a different program than dwm?
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1418 [12:51:08] <anirban> Any suggestions themill?
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1426 [12:53:47] <castleguard> Out of curiosity, does anyone use
.Xresources to set stuff like terminal colours etc here?
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1440 [12:58:15] <booyah> castleguard: I did on one computer once.
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1460 [13:07:23] <castleguard> booyah: I'm googling it, but ty
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1464 [13:09:59] <castleguard> got it. :)
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1494 [13:25:46] <Lope> I'd like to run many FTP servers on a
single public IP address, each FTP server inside a LAN IP for
it's respective VM. I'd like to run some kind of reverse
proxy server on the root server (that has the public IP). I've
searched the repos for FTP reverse-proxy servers but didn't
find anything. I've heard that jftpgw can do it but it looks
like it was last updated in 2004!
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1509 [13:34:29] <xand> Lope: because FTP is deprecated
1510 [13:34:53] <Lope> xand: okay but basically all web developers
use it?
1511 [13:35:12] <Lope> I'm providing hosting for a client
who's most likely going to want FTP access
1512 [13:35:17] <xand> they should be using SFTP or SCP these days
1513 [13:35:30] <xand> FTP is insecure among other problems
1514 [13:35:38] <xand> use FTP if you want your website to be
compromised
1515 [13:35:42] <Lope> I didn't know SFTP was used much in
industry
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1518 [13:36:00] <Lope> I'm guessing there are popular
windows/mac SFTP clients?
1519 [13:36:25] <Lope> In that case, is there a reverse-proxy SFTP
server available for debian?
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1521 [13:36:55] <Lope> Because I'll want to run a separate
SFTP server on each VM and each VM is on a LAN IP on the server,
with one public IP.
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1528 [13:38:13] <xand> Lope: either way you can't do that
because SSH doesn't support "vhosts"
1529 [13:38:20] <Lope> xand: Oh LOL I thought you meant
"Simple File Transfer Protocol" but you probably meant
"SSH File transfer protocol"
1530 [13:38:32] <Lope> I didn't know it was abbreviated as
SFTP
1531 [13:38:58] <xand> you could use different ports
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1533 [13:39:15] <Lope> can we really expect windows and mac users
to use SSH and custom ports?
1534 [13:39:22] <Lope> It's probably asking a bit much from
them.
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1536 [13:40:11] <xand> they can use winscp and just put the port
number
1537 [13:40:29] <Lope> Hmm, I've used winSCP, it was quite
friendly...
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1539 [13:41:22] <ntz3615> Lope: despite the name, winscp can do
sftp only (without needing a shell on the server side, like scp
does)
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1542 [13:41:58] <Lope> Just looking at 1and1.com web hosting as a
representative of industry. I see they provide FTP accounts with
every website. But they also provide SSH access.
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1544 [13:43:12] <Lope> ntz3615: sorry I don't understand your
statement. You're saying I need to provide customers with shell
access if I want them to be able to use winscp?
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1547 [13:43:59] <ntz3615> Lope: no, you *don't* need shell
access for sftp protocol. and winscp can also use sftp protocol.
1548 [13:44:13] <Lope> The problem though is if it gets hacked and
messed up etc, customer is going to point at me, not their designers
etc.
1549 [13:44:34] <ntz3615> Lope: if you are using the scp command
(from openssh) on the command line, then you need a shell on the
server side
1550 [13:44:53] <Lope> ntz3615: xand according to wikipedia SFTP
can mean one of 2 things, so it's a bit ambiguous
1551 [13:44:54] <Lope>
replaced-url
1552 [13:45:21] <Lope> Simple File Transfer Protocol (the first
protocol abbreviated SFTP), as defined by RFC 913, was proposed as
an (unsecured) file transfer protocol with a level of complexity
intermediate between TFTP and FTP. It was never widely accepted on
the Internet, and is now assigned Historic status by the IETF.
1553 [13:45:22] <xand> the one you use with the sftp utility
1554 [13:45:29] <xand> the SSH one.
1555 [13:45:47] <Lope> The SSH file transfer protocol
(chronologically the second of the two protocols abbreviated SFTP)
transfers files and has a similar command set for users, but uses
the Secure Shell protocol (SSH) to transfer files. Unlike FTP, it
encrypts both commands and data, preventing passwords and sensitive
information from being transmitted openly over the network. It
cannot interoperate with FTP software.
1556 [13:46:14] <Lope> so winSCP uses SSH File Transfer Protocol
1557 [13:46:21] <ntz3615> Lope: yes
1558 [13:46:27] <Lope> Does that mean I'd give the users a
/bin/true shell?
1559 [13:46:55] <ntz3615> Lope: i guess it would work
1560 [13:46:59] <Lope> (so that they can copy stuff with winSCP
1561 [13:47:14] <Lope> Okay. Thanks, that's helpful. I guess
custom ports are a necessity.
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1568 [13:52:28] <Lope> I see winSCP is windows only, but there are
mac things like Rbrowser etc.
1569 [13:52:38] <Lope> I see godaddy web hosting also still offers
FTP.
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1572 [13:52:55] <ntz3615> don't know about mac
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1577 [13:56:21] <JustASlacker> winscp runs fine with wine :D
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1580 [13:57:28] <ntz3615> Lope: argh, using /bin/true as shell for
sftp only does not work, because sshd then runs "/bin/true -c
/usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" to start the sftp server...
1581 [13:57:41] <Lope> well personally I just use sshfs
1582 [13:57:51] <Lope> but that probably won't work on a
shellless account.
1583 [13:58:46] <Lope> ntz3615: yeah that's what I thought.
You can't get SSH file transfer without a SSH account.
1584 [13:58:53] <ntz3615> Lope: yes, but only because sshd uses
the configured login shell to start sftp-server
1585 [13:58:55] <Lope> And the client asked for "Shell access
anyway"
1586 [13:59:00] <JustASlacker> you use rssh for that
1587 [13:59:02] <ntz3615> Lope: otherwise it would work
1588 [13:59:08] <Lope> So I'll just give them shell access
but lock it down somehow.
1589 [13:59:09] <JustASlacker>
replaced-url
1590 [13:59:19] <JustASlacker> Lope: ^
1591 [13:59:29] <bezaban> you used to be able to just set
/usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server as the shell I think
1592 [13:59:35] <bezaban> not sure if that is still good practice
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1594 [13:59:41] <Lope> RSSH is a terrible name for the restricted
shell.
1595 [13:59:57] <bezaban> this is a problem solved many times
over, so can't be that hard :)
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1597 [14:00:22] <Lope> rssh means reverse SSH. where the server
makes an outgoing connection.
1598 [14:00:44] <JustASlacker> well, maybe bad name. its in debian
and works nicely
1599 [14:00:46] <ntz3615> Lope: i built my own solution for sftp
only by running a minimal chroot environment with dropbear and
sftp-server. in the chroot, /bin/sh is just a symlink to sftp-server
:)
1600 [14:01:14] <BCMM> isn't ForceCommand internal-sftp the
right way to do this?
1601 [14:01:20] <Lope> I made a fake shell once to allow SSH port
forwarding.
1602 [14:01:29] <Lope> I wrote it in C.
1603 [14:01:53] <Lope> but it couldn't do anything useful
other than allow a connection to stay open and type dots in the
screen :)
1604 [14:01:55] <jelly> BCMM: yes, but it has some issues
1605 [14:02:01] <ntz3615> BCMM: i thought so, but does it really
implement the full sftp protocol?
1606 [14:02:07] <JustASlacker> apt install rssh; adduser foo
--shell rssh # done
1607 [14:02:16] <jelly> ntz3615: it does.
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1609 [14:02:43] <Lope> JustASlacker: brilliant, thanks buddy
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1612 [14:03:07] <Lope> rssh - Restricted shell allowing scp, sftp,
cvs, svn, rsync or rdist
1613 [14:03:10] <JustASlacker> take a look in /etc/rssh for the
allowed protocols. can add rsync as well for example
1614 [14:03:21] <jelly> all the resticted shells that allow for
scp have a history of security issues; prefer sftp only if possible
1615 [14:03:40] <Lope> what if you want to allow them to be able
to run an additional script?
1616 [14:03:48] <JustASlacker> /etc/rssh.conf
1617 [14:04:05] <ntz3615> jelly: yeah, i also don't trust the
concept of a restricted shell
1618 [14:04:16] <JustASlacker> then you have to much around with
sshd_config
1619 [14:04:37] <Lope> sshd_config sucks for trying to restrict a
user
1620 [14:04:45] <Lope> basically not an option.
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1623 [14:05:33] <ntz3615> jelly: that's why i build my
sftpjail thing, running a non-root dropbear server with /bin/sh
symlinked to sftp-server. of course auth is limited to pubkey,
because the non-root running dropbear wouldn't be able the read
/etc/shadow.
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1625 [14:06:49] <Lope> JustASlacker: I looked through
/etc/rssh.conf it's nice that you can turn on and off scp cvs
svnserve etc etc. But it doesn't offer allowing the user to run
a specific script
1626 [14:06:57] <Lope> which would be nice.
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1628 [14:07:14] <Lope> Can you give the rssh user sudo access
(then specify the script in sudoers) ?
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1640 [14:16:19] <Lope> I see filezilla supports SFTP. And
filezilla works on win/lin/mac
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1642 [14:16:34] <ntz3615> nice
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1645 [14:16:55] <jelly> Lope: just put them in a whole chroot or
container just for them, and use a kernel with decent
chroot/container separation (ie. not normal linux kernel; grsec, or
bsd)
1646 [14:17:02] <ntz3615> too bad sshfs only exists for linux
1647 [14:17:10] <Mathisen> not true
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1649 [14:17:27] <jelly> ntz3615: there's FUSE for mac and
even windows, it ought to be doable there
1650 [14:17:29] <Mathisen>
replaced-url
1651 [14:17:39] <ntz3615> wow
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1672 [14:25:47] <ntz3615> Mathisen: well, win-sshfs required
dotnet runtime bloatware... (but i guess we are getting off topic
:))
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1674 [14:26:13] <Mathisen> well that does not mean it does not
exist :)
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1676 [14:26:42] <Mathisen> and yeah not debian related, anyway i
use it on a win machine and it is working
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1679 [14:27:09] <Lope> Good stuff guys
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1817 [15:40:14] <spire> .
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1840 [15:54:34] <alejandro> ciao
1841 [15:55:01] <alejandro> italiani che mi possono aiutare con
mirc?
1842 [15:55:26] <mtn> !it
1843 [15:55:26] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto
in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will
get much more help.
1844 [15:55:39] <alejandro> grazie
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1866 [16:05:55] <mandeep> is there a recommended true crypt
alternative? i looked at veracrypt but it seems the debian counsel
rejected its license
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1869 [16:07:01] <hhes> hey, looks like debian mounts /run as
shared by default
1870 [16:07:08] <hhes> how can I change this behaviour?
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1872 [16:07:31] <kaizoku> mandeep, is luks unsuitable?
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1877 [16:11:29] <mandeep> kaizoku: luks is fine but im not too
familiar with it.
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1882 [16:13:05] <mandeep> are there front ends available for luks
or do most people just use cryptsetup?
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1885 [16:13:33] <tw> I usually only use the debian installer.
1886 [16:13:44] <mandeep> ?
1887 [16:13:56] <tw> for creating encrypted disks.
1888 [16:14:11] <mandeep> i want to create encrypted file
containers as well
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1892 [16:15:06] <jelly> how do I tell mdadm on stretch to NEVER
touch or assemble a specific array? It's not listed in
/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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1894 [16:15:37] <jelly> and yet, it does
1895 [16:15:38] <jelly> md127 : active (auto-read-only) raid1
dm-3[2](W)
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1897 [16:16:34] <jelly> (it did not do this on jessie, also with
systemd)
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1905 [16:20:26] <Iridos> how does it even know about it if
it's not in mdadm.conf
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1907 [16:20:35] <tw> probably uses --scan
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1917 [16:23:15] <tw> mandeep: zulucrypt/zulumount?
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1919 [16:23:25] <tw> which is a FE for cryptsetup.
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1921 [16:23:55] <n4dir> mandeep: not sure what you mean with file
containers, encrypted files?
1922 [16:24:52] <jelly> Iridos: udev? no idea
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1924 [16:25:45] <duser> I have a csv file. some of beginning of
each line contain BOM character. I tried dos2unix but it
doesn't remove BOM character in the rest of csv file.
1925 [16:25:46] <n4dir> mandeep: anyway, you may have a look at
encfs and for the most easy case simply encrypt a file with gpg
1926 [16:26:16] <jelly> it finds it and somehow brings up a
partial array as md127 or md126, when in reality it's a
backend, remote member of an array on a remote system
1927 [16:26:20] <duser> Other solutions like using sed -e
'1s/^\xEF\xBB\xBF//'
1928 [16:26:23] <duser> doesn't work either.
1929 [16:26:42] <duser> how can i remove BOM in the beginning each
line in the file.
1930 [16:27:00] <tw> file containers usually means the equivalent
of file loopback + block encryption + filesystem on that.
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1932 [16:27:17] <jelly> duser: each line? that thing ought to
exist only on first line
1933 [16:27:53] <jelly> duser: don't tell sed to only remote
it on line 1, remove that 1 from your sed program
1934 [16:27:57] <duser> yea. it's a csv obtained from a third
party. : (
1935 [16:27:57] <jelly> remove* it
1936 [16:28:20] <tw> ^- drop the 1 before the s
1937 [16:29:06] <n4dir> the web says vim can remove it: :set
nobomb
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1947 [16:35:45] <jelly> but does vim expect it appearing where it
should not be
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1957 [16:38:18] <Iridos> jelly, are they listed separately if you
call systemctl?
1958 [16:38:32] <Iridos> if so, I guess you could deactivate them
there
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1960 [16:39:07] <Iridos> at least I hope that's why there is
a section "device" in this
1961 [16:39:18] <mandeep> tw: n4dir: thanks ill take a look
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1964 [16:39:38] <domovoy> hi
1965 [16:40:06] <tw> jelly: cron.daily/mdadm:: $MDADM --monitor
--scan --oneshot
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1968 [16:40:30] <tw> I suspect that's opening it.
1969 [16:40:41] <castleguard> silly question but can I put a # at
the end of anything in a bash script and comment at the end of the
line?
1970 [16:40:48] <tw> Though I wouldn't think it'd try to
assemble it =/
1971 [16:40:58] <castleguard> I know that in a .h file it
doesn't seem to work like that (/* */ instead)
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1974 [16:42:08] <jelly> --monitor is just for reporting I think
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1979 [16:43:21] <jelly> there's a
sys-devices-virtual-block-md127.device loaded active plugged
/sys/devices/virtual/block/md127
1980 [16:43:34] <n4dir> castleguard: you mean like " printf
"hello world\n" # this is an easy example for printf
" ; ?
1981 [16:43:35] <duser> oh didn't notice there is 1 before s.
Thanks for helping out! that works now!
1982 [16:43:57] <n4dir> that is: you want code and comment on one
line ?
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1994 [16:49:47] <castleguard> n4dir: yeah :)
1995 [16:49:59] <n4dir> Yes, you can do that.
1996 [16:50:00] <castleguard> sorry I should have just tested that
with something cheap like ls
1997 [16:50:11] <castleguard> *safe
1998 [16:50:17] <n4dir> See here (though it is for commandline,
but the same is valid for a script):
1999 [16:50:30] <n4dir>
replaced-url
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2003 [16:51:41] <n4dir> after the first code block. In general
mywiki.wooledge.org is very good (as far i can tell). Mainly have a
close look at the pitfalls
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2023 [16:54:58] <ddesorden> Visit ddesorden.neocities.org and safe
your world
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2043 [16:58:40] <RoyK> !ops
2044 [16:58:40] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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2057 [17:02:55] <abrotman> Hi ...
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2080 [17:10:25] <sjklf> hey
2081 [17:10:31] <sjklf> is this a help channel ?
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2083 [17:11:42] <RoyK> !ask
2084 [17:11:42] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2086 [17:12:30] <sjklf> does anybody know what point linux is
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2089 [17:13:10] <sjklf> i can show you the kernel im running
2090 [17:13:11] <sjklf> etc..
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2092 [17:14:43] <sjklf> this prolly hackable
2093 [17:14:48] <RoyK> uname -r ?
2094 [17:14:58] <RoyK> lsb_release -a
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2096 [17:15:07] <sjklf> Linux bjhssss 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP
Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) i686 GNU/Linux
2097 [17:15:08] <RoyK> tell sjklf about handbook
2098 [17:15:19] <sjklf> what is it ?
2099 [17:15:20] <RoyK> dpkg: tell sjklf about handbook
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2101 [17:15:59] <sjklf> i dont think my computer is fast enough
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2103 [17:16:37] <sjklf> i only have 1 chip of ram in it
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2107 [17:17:36] <RoyK> sjklf: I suggest you read the handbook, at
least some, first, since it seems you're quite new at this
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2110 [17:18:10] <sjklf> i might download redhat
2111 [17:18:38] <RoyK> sjklf: it won't help much :)
2112 [17:18:45] <RoyK> SkIzZaTo: what is the problem, really?
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2114 [17:18:47] <sjklf> yes it will
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2116 [17:18:56] <sjklf> but then no web browser
2117 [17:19:08] <RoyK> well, redhat's commercial
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2119 [17:19:15] <RoyK> it's been that for 15 years or so
2120 [17:19:31] <sjklf> yeah shrike was good
2121 [17:19:35] <sjklf> 9.0
2122 [17:19:45] <RoyK> oops - that was some time ago :D
2123 [17:19:52] <RoyK> pastebin output of "free", please
2124 [17:20:00] <RoyK> dpkg: tell sjklf about pastebin
2125 [17:20:05] <sjklf> Linux version 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(debian-kernel@replaced-ip ) (gcc version 4.8.4 (Debian 4.8.4-1) ) #1 SMP Debian
3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08)
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2128 [17:20:59] <sjklf> RoyK, my web browser lags out
2129 [17:21:07] <sjklf> i only got 500mb of ram
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2132 [17:21:19] <RoyK> sjklf: that's just the kernel version
and doesn't say much except you're running a 32bit version
of linux
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2134 [17:21:36] <sjklf> it said i686
2135 [17:21:53] <RoyK> sjklf: 500 megs is really on the low end if
this is meant to be a desktop machine, and yes, i686 is 32bit
2136 [17:22:11] <RoyK> most pc hardware from around 10+ years back
has been 64bit
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2138 [17:22:22] <sjklf> its a pentium 4
2139 [17:22:59] <RoyK> you might be better off with a raspberry pi
:D
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2141 [17:23:21] <sjklf> when i got it was running windows 2000 and
i put the usb stick in it put this linux on
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2143 [17:23:47] <sjklf> took me a while to figure out the BIOS but
yer
2144 [17:23:51] <sjklf> finally got it working
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2147 [17:24:14] <sjklf> more ram
2148 [17:24:17] <sjklf> ddr
2149 [17:24:26] <RoyK> I doubt that is DDR, though
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2151 [17:24:35] <sjklf> ddr2
2152 [17:24:37] <sjklf> ?
2153 [17:24:47] <RoyK> in a 14 year old machine?
2154 [17:24:54] <sjklf> not sd ram thats for sure
2155 [17:24:56] <RoyK> open a terminal and run "lshw |
pastebinit"
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2157 [17:25:21] <RoyK> you may have to 'apt-get install lshw
pastebinit' first
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2159 [17:25:40] <sjklf> WARNING: output may be incomplete or
inaccurate, you should run this program as super-user.
2160 [17:25:53] <RoyK> add 'sudo' in front
2161 [17:26:05] <sjklf> su
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2163 [17:26:25] <RoyK> sjklf: sudo apt-get install lshw pastebinit
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2165 [17:26:35] <RoyK> then sudo lshw | pastebinit
2166 [17:26:54] <RoyK> or just su -
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2168 [17:27:46] <sjklf> root@bjhssss:/home/blah# lshw | pastebinit
2169 [17:27:46] <sjklf> Bad API request, invalid api_dev_key
2170 [17:28:33] <RoyK> get a raspberry pi
2171 [17:28:38] <RoyK> it's $50 or so
2172 [17:28:48] <RoyK> and it's probably faster than that PoS
2173 [17:28:49] <sjklf> i got a fone
2174 [17:29:01] <n4dir> I got Pentium 4's. With modern
webbrowsers you will have got hard times. Try something like netsurf
or dillo or a command line webbrowser
2175 [17:29:06] <jelly> pastebinit -b
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2176 [17:29:26] <sjklf> lynx
2177 [17:29:28] <RoyK> it's not really the webbrowser
that's the problem, it's the web pages
2178 [17:29:32] <n4dir> You might also give Slitaz a try. I
installed it on a Pentium 3 with 256 of RAM, and it does the job
very well
2179 [17:30:03] <n4dir> but if you find a workaroung for the Web
(thanks, RoyK ), then debian should run very well too
2180 [17:30:04] <RoyK> n4dir: that's not a lot :)
2181 [17:30:07] <sjklf> might try that
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2183 [17:30:37] <sjklf> just have to get the iso on a usb stick
2184 [17:30:45] <sjklf> or burn a cd
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2186 [17:31:08] <n4dir> RoyK Yeah, thats a tough one. Had fun for
a couple of nights, but then gave up on it (my main machines also
got lousy specs, so ... )
2187 [17:31:22] <RoyK> slackware, perhaps?
2188 [17:31:26] <RoyK> with fvwm2?
2189 [17:31:27] <sjklf> hmmm
2190 [17:31:30] <RoyK> :D
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2192 [17:31:55] <n4dir> I got slackware installed. Can't say
it is better with low specs than debian is
2193 [17:32:18] <jelly> fvwm2? 1.24r or death
2194 [17:32:39] <RoyK> as I said, the main problem is that
today's webpages are *huge* compared to the amount of memory in
that old box
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2196 [17:33:23] <sjklf> what does
2197 [17:33:25] <sjklf> dd command do
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2199 [17:33:35] <sjklf> nothing'
2200 [17:33:47] <sjklf> /devc
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2202 [17:34:41] <sjklf> just put the iso on a usb stick ?
2203 [17:35:31] <sjklf> fuck it im installing redhat
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2205 [17:35:54] <petn-randall> sjklf: Good luck!
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2208 [17:36:15] <sjklf> should work nicely with this hardware
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2222 [17:43:39] <RoyK> sjklf: old redhat? keep in mind that 15
years of debugging have shown quite a number of interesting bugs,
and old software isn't patched, so using such old software as
web client is *not* good. You'll be r00ted within minutes.
2223 [17:44:40] <jelly> or not, becuase no automated tools even
try old exploits
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2225 [17:45:19] <jelly> more likely one would just be unable to
browse anything that does modern tls or js
2226 [17:45:24] <n4dir> if i am only a few versions back with
firefox quite a few websites don't even start.
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2228 [17:45:33] <petn-randall> jelly: I'm pretty sure they
just keep the old exploits in the browser exploit kits. They might
not be developing *new* ones for old browsers, though.
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2289 [18:10:24] <oo_miguel> is it possible to start a shell with
its stdout pointing to a file?
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2291 [18:10:31] <oo_miguel> instead of /dev/pts/*
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2293 [18:10:45] <greycat> bash >file
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2295 [18:11:02] <oo_miguel> ehehe right thank you
2296 [18:11:04] <greycat> or, within an interactive shell, exec
>file
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2307 [18:14:41] <rakor> I'm new to lvm. How can I find out
how much space in my vg is free?
2308 [18:14:48] <greycat> vgdisplay
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2311 [18:15:41] <rakor> OK, but where do I see the free space? it
only says how big the vg is
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2314 [18:16:07] <greycat> it reports Total PE, Alloc PE, and Free
PE
2315 [18:16:11] <rakor> Ah... I'm a blind man...
2316 [18:16:22] <rakor> Saw it atm... Sorry, thanks...
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2319 [18:16:48] <rakor> So with a default installation of debain
there is no space left for snapshots... :(
2320 [18:17:08] <greycat> I never let the installer partition for
me.
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2323 [18:17:29] <rakor> As said, I'm new to lvm .. so I let
it do the job ;)
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2327 [18:19:16] <rakor> zfs does this jobs so.much easier...
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2331 [18:20:44] <jelly> rakor: no, d-i uses 100% of remaining
space for /home for some reason if you let it do the choices
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2336 [18:21:49] <rakor> ca I shrink it?
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2342 [18:22:47] <jelly> rakor: yes but it's not worth it; if
you have a separate /home like that, boot to single user mode,
backup the file structure, then nuke that LV and make a new smaller
one
2343 [18:22:52] <jelly> reformat and restore
2344 [18:23:03] <jelly> fix fstab, and be on your merry way
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2364 [18:30:00] <rakor> hmm.. thanks I fear I have one big /
2365 [18:30:12] <rakor> It started as a testing system :/
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2367 [18:32:49] <rakor> maybe best will be starting from.scratch
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2369 [18:34:17] <jelly> then you have to shrink it from a
livecd/liveusb, or reinstall
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2397 [18:48:12] <zerocool> hi guys, is there a way to load an
install iso with a post install script?
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2401 [18:48:49] <allan_wind1> Hi, I am getting wierd back scatter
emails from bendel.debain.org. Who can I tell about this?
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2403 [18:49:41] <jelly> allan_wind1: try #debian-lists on
irc.oftc.net
2404 [18:49:49] <allan_wind1> thx
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2415 [18:57:47] <jelly> allan_wind1: save at least the full
headers, next time it happens
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2418 [18:59:04] <castleguard> I'm having an issue with DWM
stealing keys (e.g. alt-f) from other applications (e.g. leafpad),
my solution so far has been to remove alt-f and remap alt-d in dwm,
but is there a way that I can specify that I'm talking to my wm
or something else (as you can in tmux, for instance)?
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2430 [19:04:21] <rakor> jelly: can I shrink an encrypted
partition? Is there good docu for the lvm.withvencryption?
2431 [19:04:32] <sn0wmonster> i have a tablet running Debian with
a trackpad. the trackpad is hyper sensitive and buggy and i want to
disable it. is there a way to disable it and not all mice in
general? (I have a bluetooth mouse over USB wireless dongle)
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2434 [19:05:09] <sn0wmonster> i've tried the BIOS and
disabled the "touch sensor" option i saw but it
didn't do squat so either it was for something else or its
always-on.
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2436 [19:05:50] <jelly> rakor: sure, did you apply encryption
below LVM (luks device used as PV) or on top of LVM (LV used as luks
device and then a filesystem)?
2437 [19:06:17] <jelly> rakor: you need to shrink the layers from
innermost to outer.
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2444 [19:10:06] <jhutchins_wk> sn0wmonster: Does it have a hotkey
to turn off the trackpad?
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2447 [19:10:40] <jhutchins_wk> sn0wmonster: There's always
the old trick of putting a piece of cardboard over it.
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2450 [19:11:32] <sn0wmonster> i was hoping for a solution that
involved disabling it inside the OS
2451 [19:11:41] <sn0wmonster> something i could run in a startup
script even
2452 [19:11:57] <dondelcaro> sn0wmonster: what kind of trackpad is
it?
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2455 [19:12:46] <dondelcaro> sn0wmonster: but that said, in
general, you should be able to do xinput; and then something like
xset --disable id=NN;
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2457 [19:13:04] <dondelcaro> err, xinput --disable id=NN;
2458 [19:13:11] <dondelcaro> where NN is the appropriate ID from
the xinput; output
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2467 [19:17:18] <sn0wmonster> oh nice
2468 [19:17:20] <sn0wmonster> will try
2469 [19:17:34] <nodiscc> sn0wmonster: or blacklist the kernel
module handling the trackpad
2470 [19:17:37] <nodiscc> if you can find it
2471 [19:18:34] <rakor> jelly: The way the installer does it ;)
2472 [19:19:40] <zerocool> anyone familiar with qemu-img?
2473 [19:20:05] <jelly> rakor: I think it's partition ->
luks -> then LVM PV, so you don't have to resize the PV or
the luks layer at all, but pastebin the output of "lsblk"
to verify
2474 [19:20:07] <jelly> !paste
2475 [19:20:07] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2478 [19:20:41] <zerocool> when i create a qcow2 its only 192kb, i
attach the qcow2 to a vm as a second drive and it wont expand
2479 [19:20:56] <rakor> jelly:
replaced-url
2480 [19:20:57] <zerocool> its suppose to be 300g
2481 [19:21:16] <mert> zerocool it will expand when you fill data
to drive
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2483 [19:21:44] <mert> sn0wmonster: you might want to try
synclient if your touchpad is synaptic
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2487 [19:22:05] <zerocool> mert: you know i think i must have put
it in where thr ROM was, its probably set to read only lol
2488 [19:22:06] <mert> sn0wmonster: `synclient` will list
everything that supports adjusting
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2492 [19:23:16] <mert> zerocool: when you create image it is just
raw/blank image, first you need to mount it somewhere as disk (lets
say vm) then inside vm you create partition-table such as efi/gpt or
bios/mbr then you format partition
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2494 [19:24:31] <jelly> rakor: you can see the layers there. So to
get free space inside that x220-debian-vg VG, shrink the filesystem
on /dev/x220-debian-vg/root, and then shrink that LV to the same
size
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2498 [19:25:24] <rakor> OK, thanks :) (Can you tell me what sda2
does)?
2499 [19:25:39] <sn0wmonster> mert, i was *just* trying that!
2500 [19:25:40] <sn0wmonster> hehe
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2504 [19:27:14] <mert> sn0wmonster: you can try `synclient | grep
-i disable`
2505 [19:27:17] <rakor> Ah sorry... anything ok... I worked with
gpt for years :) I'm not used to MBR anymore
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2516 [19:31:24] <sn0wmonster> This worked: sudo xinput set-prop 12
"Device Enabled" 0
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2531 [19:39:15] <jelly> rakor: sda2 is a remainder of how old mbr
partition table works: initially, the mbr format had just fixed 4
partition slots, so sda2 is just a container for sda5 and above, the
mbr partition table calls that an "extended partition" and
partitons inside it "logical partitions"
2532 [19:40:38] <rakor> jelly: But why is the partition made as
extended partition, and not just as primary sda2 ?
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2534 [19:41:24] <jelly> mostly because this is the default way
windows does it, so it's most compatible
2535 [19:42:13] <jelly> you might have 3 primary partitions and
then a 4th extended one for the rest, but windows only makes one
primary
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2537 [19:43:35] <jelly> linux doesn't care; very, very old
versions of windows cared but they're fine now as well
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2546 [19:49:49] <rakor> thanks for your help! Very polite
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2550 [19:51:28] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Can linux handle more than
four primaries on one device?
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2577 [20:06:20] <mrwigs> hello, I have been running into some
mindnumbing issues. I have Debian installed on my Macbookpro 12,1.
Recently it ran out of battery, went into hibernation and will not
come out. When I reboot I am faced with these strange colored
artifacts in corner of screen.
2578 [20:06:22] <mrwigs>
replaced-url
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2625 [20:34:29] <mrwigs> Has anyone ever dealt w/ an issue like
this?
replaced-url
2626 [20:35:05] <Vizva> its a good idea to give a short
explanation to links
2627 [20:35:32] <mrwigs> It is a photo of a boot screen w/ colored
artifacts
2628 [20:36:04] <mrwigs> I cannot seem to get past, booted in
recoverymode added nomodeset, still hangs there
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2631 [20:37:30] <Vizva> i think its a part only of useful
information
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2633 [20:37:52] <Vizva> ok sorry
2634 [20:38:56] <Vizva> looks like your graphic card did cause the
crash or a hardware dealing with
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2637 [20:40:01] <mrwigs> Hmm I am having trouble figuring out how
to disable it. is there a grub command?
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2640 [20:41:17] <Vizva> i think yes
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2643 [20:43:54] <Vizva> but what do you want to disable ?
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2646 [20:45:41] <Brigo> Vizva, i think he is talking about the
colored rectanble up left.
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2650 [20:46:10] <Vizva> if you dont change anything you graphic
card may be get a defect - can you start another OS ?
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2663 [20:53:28] <Vizva> Brigo yes the first time i did not get it
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2675 [20:57:39] <Vizva> but best is to make a picture where we see
the last lines
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2682 [20:58:00] <flipper887> How do i convert .txt files of
ipaddresses int rejection / blocking rules for iptables/ipchains
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2702 [21:03:27] <jhutchins_wk> mrwigs: What are you trying to
disable?
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2715 [21:07:46] <mrwigs> I am trying to disable the intel graphics
card
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2718 [21:08:16] <mrwigs> yes I can boot another os, both osx and a
linux live distro
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2725 [21:09:04] <awal1> how apt/apt-get handles obsolete pkgs?
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2730 [21:09:23] <awal1> looks like they doesn't know about
them (?)
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2765 [21:15:27] <mrwigs> here is a gist of the last 3 lines
2766 [21:15:31] <mrwigs>
replaced-url
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2768 [21:15:45] <mrwigs> I also have logs, this happend after the
computer ran out of power
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2773 [21:18:19] <mrwigs> last message was... kernel:
[38419.810507] PM: Hibernation mode set to 'suspend'
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2886 [22:27:14] <rant> awal1: apt'd handling of packages
depends on things like the auto-installed flag, and if there are
things like metapackages or the packages in newer releases that
conflict with the old obsolete packages they replace .. like how
geeqie replaced gqview in debian
2887 [22:28:19] <rant> auto-install is more for orphans though
than obsolete. obsolete needs to be handeled by the maintainers to
remove such things based on the packages that replace them
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2889 [22:29:05] <rant> if you were to find a package that provides
the functionality of a package that is obsolete, I'd file a bug
against the new package telling the maintainer to set their package
up to remove the other
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2899 [22:34:32] <awal1> rant, I was referring to new pkgs being
installed, unstable branch
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2920 [22:45:00] <jhutchins_wk> rant: Then again, this is Linux,
there are always multiple ways to do things and usually multiple
packages that nominally do the same thing.
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2928 [22:51:37] <Thyriaen> i just installed linux on my x1 carbon
(2017) and shutting it down does not turn of the computer - it just
gets stuck here :
replaced-url
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2932 [22:53:57] <RoyK> Thyriaen: did you run "poweroff"?
or was this via the gui?
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2936 [22:55:16] <Thyriaen> RoyK, this was via the gui but i tried
poweroff before and it yielded the same result
2937 [22:55:30] <RoyK> hm - not good - file a bug
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2939 [22:56:04] <RoyK> Thyriaen: or perhaps a new kernel from
backports?
2940 [22:56:17] <RoyK> Thyriaen: at least to see if it helps
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2942 [22:56:49] <Thyriaen> RoyK already upgraded to newest kernel
- i tried default kkernel 16.10, 17.10 and upgraded to newest kernel
14.3 same results
2943 [22:57:11] <RoyK> which kernel are you on now?
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2946 [22:57:28] <RoyK> btw, 16.10, 17.10, sounds like ubuntu, not
debian
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2948 [22:58:24] <flipper887> RoyK: /join #ubuntu
2949 [22:58:51] <RoyK> flipper887: not me, Thyriaen
2950 [22:58:56] <Thyriaen> RoyK i tried debian stretch ( the
current stable version 9 ), Ubuntu 17.10, 16.04 and either using the
default kernel or upgraded to 14.3
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2952 [22:59:30] <Thyriaen> i am currently on debian, the
screenshot was from an ubuntu install though
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2955 [22:59:42] <RoyK> Thyriaen: first, is this debian? next, if
it is, which kernel are you running now? uname -r will show
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2961 [23:01:53] <Thyriaen> RoyK, currently debian, yes Kernel 4.9
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2963 [23:02:26] <RoyK> dpkg: tell Thyriaen about backports
2964 [23:02:42] <RoyK> Thyriaen: you can find newer kernels there
2965 [23:02:44] <jelly> Thyriaen: too new hardware, kernel support
not good enough? Maybe ask for clues in ##ibmthinkpad as well
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2967 [23:03:02] <Thyriaen> jelly, thanks i will do that
2968 [23:03:21] <jelly> not sure what 14.3 means tho
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2970 [23:03:43] <jelly> ,kernels
2971 [23:03:45] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686
(4.13.13-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports:
4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686
(4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1);
jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports:
3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
2972 [23:03:46] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
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2974 [23:04:09] <Thyriaen> RoyK, ok i will try debian stretch with
newest kernel backports - thanks
2975 [23:04:35] <RoyK> Thyriaen: please tell if it works, and if
it does, file a bug, the fix can possibly be backported
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2977 [23:04:53] <jelly> perhaps you meant you've built a
kernel from sources, version "stable: 4.14.3 2017-11-30 "
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2981 [23:05:17] <Thyriaen> jelly, thats what i ment yes
2982 [23:05:33] <RoyK> just use the ones in the repos
2983 [23:05:36] <RoyK> they work
2984 [23:05:42] <RoyK> unless you have *very* specific needs
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2988 [23:06:38] * RoyK hasn't built a kernel for ages
2989 [23:06:52] <greycat> I stopped doing that around Linux 2.6
2990 [23:07:21] <RoyK> I don't really remember, but it's
a while ago, at least not after 2.6
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2992 [23:09:00] <jelly> really fresh hardware counts as
"need"
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2994 [23:09:49] <jelly> my solution is to pick a chipset at least
1 year old if it has to run linux
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2999 [23:10:11] <RoyK> jelly: I always try a fresh kernel first
3000 [23:10:31] <jelly> but _someone_ has to build it
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3002 [23:10:41] <RoyK> jelly: had to compile a network driver when
I setup my current home server, though, but then, that was pretty
fresh hardware
3003 [23:10:50] <Freelance> Really quick question: What causes my
system to sync to network time? I removed NTP.
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3005 [23:11:05] <Paul--> hello all
3006 [23:11:07] <RoyK> chrony?
3007 [23:11:10] <jelly> Freelance: but did you remove
"ntp" ?
3008 [23:11:11] <RoyK> Freelance: ^^
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3011 [23:11:45] <Freelance> "apt purge ntp"
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3013 [23:11:58] <jelly> Freelance: it might be the hardware clock
of your machine
3014 [23:12:02] <greycat> maybe ntpdate is still installed, or
maybe you enabled that systemd thing.
3015 [23:12:18] <jelly> Freelance: which debian release
3016 [23:12:24] <Freelance> ntpdate was installed; thanks
3017 [23:12:30] <Paul--> how may I make a list of installed
packets for re-install the system without manuallt select the
packets ?
3018 [23:12:31] <Freelance> Removing it should stop the syncs,
right?
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3020 [23:12:42] <greycat> Pretty good chance, I should think.
3021 [23:12:50] <jelly> unless there's a third thing
3022 [23:12:58] <Freelance> Thanks! I'll try it and see.
3023 [23:13:09] <greycat> systemd-timesyncd is the other thing I
was thinking of, but that's not a separate package
3024 [23:13:38] <Paul--> I mean make a list of installed packets ,
and after user it in system re-installation
3025 [23:13:43] <jelly> we just make the systems sync to a ntpd
with our own time at work
3026 [23:13:55] <jelly> living in the future
3027 [23:14:07] <greycat> Paul--: dpkg --get-selections and
--set-selections
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3029 [23:14:34] <jelly> Paul--: also read: /msg dpkg aptitude
clone and /msg dpkg debian clone
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3035 [23:15:45] <Freelance> Ah, no, it was the systemd thing
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3037 [23:15:53] <Freelance> Thanks.
3038 [23:15:54] <RoyK> Freelance: why don't you want ntp?
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3040 [23:16:30] <greycat> My question is, if he didn't want
NTP, why did he have THREE things set up to do NTP?
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3044 [23:17:32] * RoyK just wonders why someone would want their clock
drifting
3045 [23:17:34] <Freelance> Because I'm using a miniature
computer (it's like a Rasp. Pi) as a DNS server that blocks all
requests at certain times
3046 [23:17:47] <Freelance> But actually I'm rethinking it
3047 [23:17:48] <RoyK> try chrony
3048 [23:17:56] <Freelance> I might use NTP after all
3049 [23:17:57] <castleguard> Hey I'm looking at the
python3-kivy package... is this something that exists (as a package)
for people that are programming in python3, or is it more for
dependencies if you want to run a python script that was written for
python3 with kivy. Essentially I'm asking if installing this
package will help me as a dev or if I need to still do the pip
install kivy (and its dependency, cython)
3050 [23:17:59] <RoyK> it's better for such stuff
3051 [23:18:01] <RoyK> !chrony
3052 [23:18:01] <dpkg> chrony is, like, a ntp program that is
split into 2 parts: a daemon (chronyd) and a client that interfaces
into the server (chronyc). For more information visit:
replaced-url
3053 [23:18:06] <greycat> I've been sticking with the
traditional 'ntp' package.
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3055 [23:18:34] <RoyK> greycat: that works too, but on sloppy
connections and much drift, especially with VMs, chrony is better
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3057 [23:18:43] <jelly> greycat: safety.
3058 [23:18:47] <alt0id> hi
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3061 [23:19:20] <jelly> Ramans do everything in threes
3062 [23:19:52] <Thyriaen> RoyK, i have now reinstalled debian -
with running kernel 4.9 how do i install the newest kernel
"given in the repositories" you said ?
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3065 [23:20:21] <RoyK> dpkg: tell Thyriaen about backports
3066 [23:20:47] <alt0id> so if i install new nvidia drivers over
the old ones, do they get over writen or what?
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3072 [23:22:13] <annadane> the old ones get automatically
blacklisted
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3075 [23:22:34] <Thyriaen> RoyK, can i install those with apt ?
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3077 [23:22:54] <annadane> in other words the nouveau packages
don't get removed, but debian is told to use the nvidia ones by
default
3078 [23:23:07] <annadane> you can change that behavior by editing
a config file, don't remember whichj
3079 [23:23:12] <annadane> s/whichj/which
3080 [23:23:16] <jelly> alt0id: it depends on how you install
(nvidia's own installer can be problematic)
3081 [23:23:29] <annadane> right, this is on the assumption you
install using apt
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3083 [23:23:48] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
3084 [23:23:48] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section
"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver
"nvidia"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to
enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
3085 [23:24:19] <alt0id> jelly: yeah i heard, i tried installing
some because i needed those settings tools that you get with the
package, now my whole system is ducked. I can log in gui-mode no
problemo, but after like 5-10 minutes it gets frozen and i cant do
anything about it
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3088 [23:25:44] <alt0id> jelly: any comments?
3089 [23:26:06] <RoyK> Thyriaen: just add the backports repos as
documented
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3092 [23:26:42] <jelly> alt0id: I don't remember well, but if
you used nvidia's installer, I _think_ you first uninstalled
the old driver version
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3096 [23:27:27] <RoyK> Thyriaen: then apt update && apt
install - see
replaced-url
3097 [23:27:29] <Thyriaen> RoyK, yes, thanks did that and its
installing 4.13 now ill get back to you once its done
3098 [23:27:30] <RoyK> !backports
3099 [23:27:30] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
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3100 [23:27:55] <Thyriaen> RoyK, not it wasn't but i figured
it out
3101 [23:28:14] <awal1> rant, ok, about obsoletes. my answer my
have confused you. earlier, I asked about how to make
apt-get/aptitude tell me why new pkgs are being to be installed, I
wanna know if they are new dependencies or recommends
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3119 [23:40:00] <alt0id> jelly: ok i've runned the script, i
have a nvidia 210 running on this box. Which drivers do you think
are suitable for this card?
3120 [23:40:12] <alt0id> jelly: btw the enviroment didnt autorun
:/
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3130 [23:45:38] <Canucktux> so what's the lowdown on the
xorg.conf in debian stretch?
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3132 [23:45:48] <alt0id> Canucktux: huh?
3133 [23:45:54] <Canucktux> I don't see one, should I make
one if I have finicky things?
3134 [23:46:17] <Canucktux> alt0id: I have an eGPU I'd like
to use that isn't showing up in xrandr
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3136 [23:46:55] <Paul--> another question: if I rename the network
interface in deb9 in the classic mode ( eth0 and wlan0 ) , may have
I any problem ?
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3139 [23:47:10] <Canucktux> and people long ago are just adding it
and having it work
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