• 0[00:00:01] <dvs> they did an upgrade to buster but it didn't go well. ;-)
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• 8[00:03:29] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: termbin is actually quite nice, I almost like it better
• 9[00:03:31] <somiaj> !termbin
• 10[00:03:31] <dpkg> i heard termbin is you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 13[00:04:48] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, but termbin doesn't have a web interface where I can paste things into it.
• 14[00:05:57] <somiaj> yea, so just pipe the command to netcat as stated there. (:
• 15[00:05:58] <EdePopede> you just need netcat and a shell ;)
• 16[00:06:40] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, sometimes I like to edit the output before sending.
• 17[00:06:58] <EdePopede> you can. save it to a file and there you go
• 18[00:07:20] <Lady_Aleena> Too much work. I'll use Gist for now.
• 19[00:07:43] <wr> Lady_Aleena, replaced-url
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• 24[00:09:02] <Lady_Aleena> Guys, I can wait for paste.debian.net to come back. I just thought some might like to know that it was down.
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• 33[00:16:59] <Tom-_> I can't use growisofs to write a CD?
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• 35[00:17:06] <Tom-_> !growisofs
• 36[00:17:06] <dpkg> growisofs is a program for burning DVD images, it can also create a data DVD on-the-fly. Packaged for Debian in dvd+rw-tools. replaced-url
• 37[00:17:13] <Tom-_> !cdrkit
• 38[00:17:13] <dpkg> cdrkit is a fork of <cdrtools> developed by the Debian Project, introduced at Debian 4.0 "Etch". Documentation is packaged as cdrkit-doc, see /usr/share/doc/cdrkit-doc/WHY. See also <genisoimage>, <wodim>. replaced-url
• 39[00:17:26] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, there's dpaste.com if you like
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• 41[00:18:48] <cronolio> hey debian, i use bullseye here and i have this replaced-url
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• 47[00:21:59] <cronolio> ah u know replaced-url
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• 51[00:23:23] <Muyfret> what is this debian-archive-keyring update about?
• 52[00:23:36] <Muyfret> i don't see it listed in the debian security update list
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• 54[00:24:14] <Lady_Aleena> Tom-_, I said I can use Gist until paste.debian.net is back. 8)
• 55[00:24:28] <Tom-_> yeah but i didn't read it because work and effort
• 56[00:24:34] <Lady_Aleena> Ok
• 57[00:24:52] <Tom-_> not really a good reason honestly :)
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• 61[00:26:52] <Tom-_> is wodim foobar.iso supposed to work?
• 62[00:27:10] <Tom-_> my .iso file mounts with -oloop fine, but the CD I made I think is a coaster
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• 64[00:27:39] <somiaj> I think you have to tell wodim what device to write it to
• 65[00:27:49] <somiaj> wodim -scanbus should give you the devices if I recall correctly
• 66[00:27:52] <Tom-_> it must have gotten the write device because it wrote to the CD
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• 68[00:28:00] <Tom-_> the right write device ;)
• 69[00:28:14] <Tom-_> okay but thank you for answering the quesiton
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• 71[00:28:36] <Tom-_> the CD says "data" when I use file -s /dev/sr0
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• 73[00:28:54] <LtL> Muyfret: that package is for replaced-url
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• 87[00:33:18] <edarfoc> hi guys
• 88[00:33:37] <edarfoc> GNOME Software landing page is kind of empty here (Buster)
• 89[00:33:49] <edarfoc> anyone else noticed that?
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• 124[00:48:10] <Tom-_> okay so wodim speed=8 -data foo.iso didn't help, still can't recognise the filesystem
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• 126[00:48:58] <Tom-_> anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
• 127[00:49:49] <donuthole> I just upgraded from stretch to buster and now pulseaudio thinks the only sound hardware I have is "Dummy Output". Hence, no audio output. How do I diagnose and fix this?
• 128[00:49:50] <somiaj> I still don't see you specifcying what device to write too
• 129[00:50:10] <donuthole> "lspci | grep -i audio" gives....
• 130[00:50:11] <somiaj> donuthole: cat /proc/asound/cards (does alsa still see all your cards correctly)?
• 131[00:50:17] <donuthole> 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH HD Audio
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• 133[00:50:40] <donuthole> somiaj, looks like it.
• 134[00:50:51] <donuthole> 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
• 135[00:50:51] <donuthole> HDA Intel PCH at 0xdf440000 irq 164
• 136[00:51:02] <somiaj> okay so aklsa see's your intel card
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• 138[00:51:16] <donuthole> (aplay -l sees it too)
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• 140[00:51:33] <somiaj> it could be some other application has run before pulseaudio and has grabbed your soundcard and made it so pulseaudio cannot open it.
• 141[00:52:03] <donuthole> According to fuser, nobody has /dev/dsp open
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• 143[00:52:16] <donuthole> Is there a different device I should check?
• 144[00:52:33] <somiaj> maybe use lsof | grep /dev/snd (or something similar) to see what process has the sound card opened
• 145[00:52:53] <somiaj> I think /dev/dsp is the old oss, not alsa devices, it is /dev/snd/something
• 146[00:53:24] <donuthole> Hmm, timidity, wtf is timidity. Let's try purging it.
• 147[00:53:31] <Tom-_> somiaj, it's definitely writing to a device
• 148[00:53:55] <somiaj> Tom-_: hmm, guess it defaults to one nicely now -- I haven't burned a cd in 10 years or so)
• 149[00:54:02] <impermanence> where is the ca cert bundle in jessie?
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• 151[00:54:05] <donuthole> Aha, that fixed it.
• 152[00:54:10] <impermanence> I have literally 0 deb exp
• 153[00:54:12] <donuthole> somiaj, thank you!
• 154[00:54:18] <Tom-_> it says "Dtected CD-R drive: /dev/sr0" and it writes the device like you might expect. the only question I have is if I can write a .iso file with no extra command line options with wodim
• 155[00:54:25] <somiaj> donuthole: did you find the process that has your sound card open?
• 156[00:54:29] <Tom-_> i've never really used wodim before, only cdrecord and growisofs
• 157[00:54:42] <somiaj> Tom-_: wodim is cdrecrod
• 158[00:54:56] <somiaj> it was renammed many years back
• 159[00:55:07] <Tom-_> yeah, so, same command line options i guess then
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• 161[00:55:37] <donuthole> somiaj, yes, it was timidity. I just uninstalled it.
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• 163[00:56:36] <dvs> Oh, is this another timidity-daemon problem hogging the sound card?
• 164[00:56:37] <somiaj> yea, timidity was my guess on the culprit, it has a server that likes to grab the sound card early
• 165[00:57:02] <somiaj> I thought they fixed this whole issue during testing, it is a bit old now, but I guess their fix wasn't good enough and only got some situations
• 166[00:57:23] <donuthole> dvs, according to lsof the process name was timidity,
• 167[00:57:40] <somiaj> ,v timidity-daemon
• 168[00:57:41] <judd> Package: timidity-daemon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.13.2-40.2; stretch: 2.13.2-40.5; bullseye: 2.14.0-8; buster: 2.14.0-8; sid: 2.14.0-8
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• 170[00:58:06] <somiaj> donuthole: timidity-daemon is the package that caused the problem, you can have timidity installed without the daemon fwiw.
• 171[00:58:15] <donuthole> ah, ok
• 172[00:58:48] <donuthole> anyway, thanks again
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• 260[02:15:31] <CarlFK> stretch - 256g usb disk - formated ntfs - how do i mount it rw
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• 267[02:17:30] <CarlFK> "The file system wasn't safely closed on Windows. Fixing." yay!!! thank you!
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• 286[02:27:22] <mason> Assuming it does the right thing.
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• 332[03:00:05] <jml2> Sauvin, you're gunna have to ban me from here too you fuckan pussy.
• 333[03:00:10] <jml2> Sauvin, little man. :)
• 334[03:00:26] <jml2> Sauvin, you're a big guy.
• 335[03:00:32] <jml2> Sauvin, and a big moron. :)
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• 337[03:00:41] <jml2> Sauvin, waiting for you my love... :)))
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• 382[03:43:48] <mason> !ops
• 383[03:43:48] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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• 385[03:44:14] <mason> dpkg: ops ^
• 386[03:44:14] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: mason complains about a problem (see above)
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• 392[03:52:19] <annadane> i mean it was 40 minutes ago
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• 396[03:53:03] <somiaj> they also left right after, so I didn't think any action was needed
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• 403[03:56:47] <sa-ghosts> is there a way to disable a systemd service from the grub menu ?
• 404[03:56:57] <sa-ghosts> because it seems as debian starts and enable services before the first boot/live boot
• 405[03:56:57] <sa-ghosts> opposite to what every other distro does which is enable systemd services after the first boot
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• 415[04:10:10] <agris> What package provides the lxc-top utility?
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• 422[04:13:38] <jmcnaught> sa-ghosts: I don't see a way to disable specific services from the kernel command line with systemd. Is it just one service that you want disabled?
• 423[04:14:09] <sa-ghosts> yup, only the backlight@leds
• 424[04:14:22] <sa-ghosts> can't boot to the system with it enabled
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• 427[04:15:44] <jmcnaught> sa-ghosts: what about booting into rescue/single user mode and disabling the service?
• 428[04:15:48] <sa-ghosts> I've tried adding the parameter "systemd.restore_state=0" which works in other distros but it doesn't seems to work
• 429[04:16:43] <sa-ghosts> I've tried that, but can't do it debian always tries to start the serves before booting
• 430[04:17:50] <jmcnaught> sa-ghosts: there's a rescue mode that you can boot into with installer image (not the live) that can give you a shell in a chroot of the target system
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• 432[04:18:58] <jmcnaught> agris: that file is not in any Debian package
• 433[04:19:12] <sa-ghosts> I will see about it, thank you
• 434[04:19:13] <agris> jmcnaught, is there an alternative?
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• 438[04:21:12] <agris> also, If I'm using LXC2 on Devuan ASCII, is root inside a container the same as root on the hypervisor?
• 439[04:21:45] <jmcnaught> sounds like a question for #devuan
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• 442[04:24:08] <agris> Is it?
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• 444[04:24:24] <jmcnaught> !devuan
• 445[04:24:24] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
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• 450[04:30:55] <agris> then pretend I asked for whatever the debian equiv release is
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• 463[04:39:19] <jcb2016> anyone else still on 9.9?
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• 465[04:39:31] <dvs> blasphemy!
• 466[04:39:41] <jcb2016> lol
• 467[04:40:01] <jcb2016> im nervous i've never done a dist-upgrade
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• 470[04:41:09] <dvs> jcb2016, Not much different than a regular upgrade
• 471[04:41:26] <jcb2016> don't i have to change my sources.list to buster or something
• 472[04:41:32] <jcb2016> im currently reading the release notes
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• 474[04:41:50] <dvs> jcb2016, Read chapter four of the release notes
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• 476[04:43:16] <jcb2016> ok
• 477[04:43:58] <cybercrypto> jcb2016: no need to be afraid. I did the process according to the docs, and upgrade went well.
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• 479[04:44:54] <cybercrypto> jcb2016: just follow the proceedure, take your bakpup first (this is good to have as usual) and go for it :-)
• 480[04:45:17] <jcb2016> i don't have anything important on this computer. nothing that isn't on a flash drive
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• 486[04:46:29] <annadane> if you screw it up, the monsters under your bed come out and eat you
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• 489[04:46:55] <jcb2016> :D
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• 492[04:47:10] <dvs> O_O
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• 513[04:53:45] <agris> every time I try to start a container I get lxc-start: cgroups/cgfsng.c: create_path_for_hierarchy: 1306 Path "/sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset//lxc/voip" already existed.
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• 518[04:55:43] <asrockb450> I am trying to install debian on a brand new ryzen 3600 + b450 + nvme system in uefi mode.
• 519[04:56:06] <dvs> well that's too new
• 520[04:56:31] <asrockb450> I am getting the can not detect cdrom error. there is no /dev/sd*
• 521[04:56:50] <annadane> agris, if you're on devuan at least make sure to include that in your question
• 522[04:56:50] <dvs> no /dev/sr* either?
• 523[04:57:14] <agris> annadane, ?
• 524[04:57:20] <asrockb450> I have attempted to install in bios mode and have successfully done so yet I am not able to boot off the nvme
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• 526[04:57:49] <asrockb450> dvs: no
• 527[04:57:51] <annadane> you're on devuan yet you're continuing to ask questions here, it may be general enough so people in #debian can answer it but in that case you should at least say "this is on devuan"
• 528[04:58:20] <annadane> but whatever, you do you
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• 530[04:58:45] <asrockb450> I am not on devuan. I am attempting to install debian 10
• 531[04:58:53] <Chex> asrockb450: if its any consolation I tried to instal buster on my 2400G a month ago, and it was nothing but fail
• 532[04:59:07] <annadane> asrockb450, wasn't responding to you
• 533[04:59:50] <asrockb450> Chex: damn why did I buy amd then
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• 535[05:00:08] <Chex> and then I tried pulling in unstable apt-sources and installing the updated amd-firmware, and that sorta worked, but had tons of issues with a system straddling stable and unstable
• 536[05:00:26] <Chex> so I borked it and installed Ubuntu 19.04.. problem solved
• 537[05:00:36] <asrockb450> should I try to netinstall a nightly?
• 538[05:00:56] <asrockb450> I want to turn this into a headless server. ideally using something like proxmox
• 539[05:01:10] <Chex> asrockb450: just run a newer distro with better support for new hardware
• 540[05:01:28] <asrockb450> like arch?
• 541[05:01:33] <Chex> yeah?
• 542[05:01:37] <Chex> or ubuntu? mint?
• 543[05:01:56] <Chex> gentoo, if you like to emerge world >.<
• 544[05:02:07] <jmcnaught> Chex: why are you steering people away from Debian in #debian?
• 545[05:02:24] <asrockb450> Ok what do you recommend instead of proxmox for VM management?
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• 547[05:02:29] <Chex> jmcnaught: because he cant get his new AMD system working in #debian, and I couldnt either
• 548[05:02:33] <jmcnaught> asrockb450: are you using an installer image on USB stick? Was it copied to the device or to a partition?
• 549[05:02:33] <sa-ghosts> <jmcnaught>, I was able to boot into the system and disable what I wanted, thank you!
• 550[05:02:36] <Chex> just sharing my expereince
• 551[05:02:56] <asrockb450> jmcnaught: usb stick. I used dd and gnome disks
• 552[05:03:31] <asrockb450> its okay I have used debian for 20 years and arch for 5 years. he isn't steering me away.
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• 554[05:04:29] <jmcnaught> asrockb450: if you copied the installer image to /dev/sdx1 instead of /dev/sdx it could be why cannot detect the cdrom
• 555[05:04:33] <asrockb450> I can install using bios mode. I just can't make it bootable. which makes me thing recovery mode should be able to install efibootmgr
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• 557[05:04:54] <asrockb450> jmcnaught: I did /dev/sdc
• 558[05:04:59] <jmcnaught> Are you installing buster?
• 559[05:05:04] <asrockb450> Yes
• 560[05:05:38] <asrockb450> this can not detect cdrom error is very common. can find a lot of results on google. all the proposed fixes do not help in my case.
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• 563[05:06:12] <asrockb450> as once booted in uefi mode it can not even detect any /dev/sdx devices
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• 567[05:08:50] <jmcnaught> asrockb450: one thing you might try is using the new calamares installer that's on live images. There's a note about it in the releases notes: replaced-url
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• 569[05:09:31] <asrockb450> I don't think this is an installer issue
• 570[05:09:53] <asrockb450> I can not even find the usb device from the terminal
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• 572[05:10:33] <asrockb450> going to the test the latest nightly
• 573[05:12:52] <mns> right good night folks
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• 575[05:13:44] <dvs> o/
• 576[05:13:45] <annadane> it would be nice if people could sort of, load a kernel from upstream into the installer so one can install debian on ulta new computers
• 577[05:14:00] <annadane> no idea if that's how it works
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• 582[05:15:03] <asrockb450> debian 10 is just as new as ryzen 3000
• 583[05:15:44] <asrockb450> people here think it is a cpu support issue and not a motherboard issue?
• 584[05:16:04] <dvs> or a chipset issue
• 585[05:16:50] <asrockb450> I attempted to installl ubuntu server 19.4 and it has the same cdrom can't be detected error
• 586[05:17:21] <asrockb450> it is actually attempting to mount the nvme as cdrom in an endless loop during boot
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• 591[05:19:05] <danielboston26_> Test
• 592[05:19:22] <dvs> !test
• 593[05:19:22] <dpkg> Test failed.
• 594[05:21:14] <danielboston26_> Why cant i identify with nickserv?
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• 597[05:24:15] <danielboston26_> Test
• 598[05:24:35] <danielboston26_> Why is it putting a underscore next to my name?
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• 603[05:26:50] <annadane> which one?
• 604[05:29:00] <asrockb450> I have tested debian 9, 10, ubuntu 19.4
• 605[05:29:08] <asrockb450> all fail in uefi mode
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• 607[05:29:32] <asrockb450> I want to kill amd or whoever is responsible
• 608[05:29:47] <asrockb450> I never wasted so much time in over 10 years
• 609[05:30:20] <asrockb450> I have also tested debian nightly
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• 616[05:33:18] <ni291187> testing
• 617[05:33:27] <ni291187> grrrr!!
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• 620[05:34:18] <asrockb450> going to test 9.0 non free
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• 622[05:34:36] <asrockb450> I am going to kill someone if I am stuck with hyper v
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• 626[05:39:07] <asrockb450> why doesn't debian put the non free iso on mirrors? I have never had something download so slow
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• 628[05:39:39] <asrockb450> I downloaded ubuntu 19.4 in 10 seconds
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• 630[05:41:06] <rwp> asrockb450, Because non-free is not officially part of Debian.
• 631[05:41:30] <asrockb450> even the old images are not on mirrors. at least use a cdn
• 632[05:42:53] <rwp> Isn't it available by bittorrent too? I thought it was...
• 633[05:44:56] <asrockb450> same issue with 9 non free
• 634[05:45:01] <asrockb450> I am doomed
• 635[05:45:15] <asrockb450> going to try arch
• 636[05:45:48] <annadane> btw
• 637[05:45:56] <rwp> Looked and found these: replaced-url
• 638[05:46:16] <rwp> Which I don't know if there are active seeds right now but should be fast downloads anyway.
• 639[05:46:33] <rwp> asrockb450, What is your issue that you are having?
• 640[05:47:15] <asrockb450> can not detect cdrom error when in uefi mode
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• 642[05:47:44] <asrockb450> were you in the channel when I joined?
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• 645[05:48:21] <somiaj> has it been asked how you are copying the .iso to the usb drive?
• 646[05:48:43] <rwp> I only had so much scrollback. But I went back to my other server which has more and read from where you started.
• 647[05:49:58] <asrockb450> yes I am using dd
• 648[05:50:05] <asrockb450> it isn't a usb issue
• 649[05:50:14] <asrockb450> I don't have any /dev/s devices
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• 651[05:51:00] <rwp> I have had that same problem you are describing now before too. It is always frustrating. And always feels wrong since obviously the boot media was there. If it can boot why can't it interface with it later?
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• 653[05:51:15] <asrockb450> booting in bios mode works fine. it just does not create a bootable nvme install
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• 662[06:02:07] <asrockb450> what distro has linux 5.2 in its installer right now?
• 663[06:02:10] <asrockb450> arch is 5.1
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• 667[06:09:29] <asrockb450> replaced-url
• 668[06:09:32] <asrockb450> fml
• 669[06:09:58] <asrockb450> where do I download hyper v from?
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• 704[06:41:14] <asrockb450> i want to kill amd
• 705[06:41:36] <asrockb450> should have purchased intel
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• 729[06:57:43] <asrockb450> tested archbang that is on 5.1 got a different error message "device is not accepting address..."
• 730[06:57:56] <asrockb450> definitely a kernel issue
• 731[06:58:19] <asrockb450> writing hyper v to usb fml
• 732[06:59:02] <rwp> Is there any livecd you can boot from? If so then you could do a debootstrap installation.
• 733[06:59:28] <asrockb450> I can not find any that uses kernel 5.2
• 734[06:59:52] <asrockb450> from what I understand I need at least 5.2 or maybe later to even have a chance of this working
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• 736[07:00:13] <asrockb450> rwp: replaced-url
• 737[07:00:19] <rwp> Very new hardware always has the risk that you will be the trail blazer.
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• 740[07:01:46] <rwp> That reference also blames systemd and rdrand too. I remember that systemd bug...
• 741[07:02:08] <rwp> You might need to build your own live boot system either without systemd or with an updated fix.
• 742[07:02:48] <asrockb450> already starting hyper v install
• 743[07:03:55] <asrockb450> OMFG
• 744[07:04:06] <asrockb450> hyper v has the same cdrom error
• 745[07:04:40] <asrockb450> "a media driver your computer needs is missing"
• 746[07:05:05] <rwp> I'll just brainstorm some ideas and maybe it will trigger an idea on your end.
• 747[07:05:18] <rwp> How about a USB cdrom?
• 748[07:05:50] <rwp> Or an SDcard in a USB adapter.
• 749[07:06:27] <asrockb450> how can I be the only one with this issue
• 750[07:06:32] <rwp> Or (lots more work) a PXE network boot?
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• 752[07:06:47] <asrockb450> the internet should be exploding if people are having trouble installing windows
• 753[07:06:53] <asrockb450> maybe I need to RMA?
• 754[07:07:04] <rwp> Well... I always stay with N-2 generations back. Old hardware is known hardware.
• 755[07:07:51] <rwp> And a client friend decided to buy something new but he bought the Lenovo with Mint pre-installed.
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• 757[07:11:14] <asrockb450> why is there no legacy bios mode on this motherboard
• 758[07:11:23] <asrockb450> is that freaking normal?!@
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• 765[07:18:34] <asrockb450> replaced-url
• 766[07:19:54] <asrockb450> maybe its a bios issue from asrock. but how are there not a ton more people complaining of issues
• 767[07:20:02] <asrockb450> can't even install windows!!!!!!!!
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• 769[07:22:12] <darxmurf> morning
• 770[07:22:31] <asrockb450> darxmurf: death to amd
• 771[07:22:52] <darxmurf> amen
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• 773[07:24:10] <earend1> damn uefi crap
• 774[07:25:01] <asrockb450> why the hell is there no legacy mode
• 775[07:25:11] <asrockb450> can someone explain this to me?!
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• 783[07:28:38] <darxmurf> because we are not in 1990 anymore
• 784[07:28:52] <earend1> there potentially is legacy mode. you have to set which compontent to run under which mode with what driver first .. reboot a hundred times.. then it works.. then find out some crap firmware overwrites early boot components .. i mean. i don't know. it's nice to look at. you can use your mouse. i just hardly get how it supposed to work..
• 785[07:29:11] <earend1> oh. no legacy mode? KITT?
• 786[07:29:29] <darxmurf> what's the problem with uefi ?
• 787[07:29:42] <earend1> what is a uefi shell? .. and where can i find some?
• 788[07:30:00] <earend1> darxmurf: what's the good thing about uefi?
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• 790[07:30:02] <asrockb450> replaced-url
• 791[07:30:36] <asrockb450> dragonflybsd is getting downloaded as we speak
• 792[07:30:52] <asrockb450> fricken windows can't install
• 793[07:31:05] <earend1> secure boot?
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• 795[07:32:43] <asrockb450> I am not that stupid. it isn't a secure boot error
• 796[07:32:55] <asrockb450> its not addressing USB properly
• 797[07:32:59] <asrockb450> in uefi mode
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• 799[07:33:15] <asrockb450> there is only usb bios mode
• 800[07:33:29] <earend1> there are like.. a 99 tutorials on the net wich describe how to disable it. it's supposed .. i guess.. to verfify firmware signatures and blah.. basically a good thing (for when u want uefi to be good for sth)
• 801[07:33:49] <asrockb450> may I will try to recover the bios mode install and install efibootmgr
• 802[07:33:49] <earend1> is it some older stick?
• 803[07:34:02] <earend1> is it gpt formatted?
• 804[07:34:03] <asrockb450> scroll to the beginning
• 805[07:34:08] <earend1> oook
• 806[07:34:20] <asrockb450> I am using b450 + ryzen 3600 + nvme 4k
• 807[07:34:39] <asrockb450> too much new stuff combined together
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• 810[07:35:52] <earend1> maybe u should launch a uefi shell from the usb stick ..xd
• 811[07:36:40] <earend1> lol .. i know i once got into such shell. but never again since. i bet it's good for soemthing one day.
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• 813[07:40:08] <earend1> here u go with uefi. have you tried that trick debian installations do? somehow copy the efi drivers somewhere to make it like ..mostly work.
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• 815[07:40:49] <rwp> asrockb450, You might have different luck asking in the official #debian channel on OFTC instead of here on this the unofficial freenode channel.
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• 820[07:42:51] <earend1> remember the sirius corp's service team stretched over several planets and was the only division making a surplus ..lol.
• 821[07:43:13] <earend1> hitchhikers gude.
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• 829[07:49:14] <asrockb450> rwp: will try tomorrow thx
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• 831[07:49:39] <asrockb450> I may install on another device and then move the hard drive to see if it will boot
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• 833[07:49:54] <rwp> That sounds possible. Good luck!
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• 835[07:53:09] <asrockb450> replaced-url
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• 837[07:53:31] <asrockb450> this guy got debian to install. wtf is wrong with my setup?!
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• 853[08:06:44] <Ha0hmaru> hm, i'm booting the debian10, and during systemd it kinda stopped for some time, then it spit out "rcu_preempt self-detected stall on CPU"
• 854[08:07:50] <Ha0hmaru> jiffies miffies, failed to start avahi, failed to start WPA, failed to start disk manager, blahblah
• 855[08:08:18] <Ha0hmaru> "task systemd:1 blocked for more than 120 seconds."
• 856[08:09:14] <Ha0hmaru> maybe.. i should try the normal (non-realtime) kernel?
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• 858[08:11:25] <rwp> Did you just switch to a realtime kernel?
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• 860[08:14:29] <darxmurf> asrockb450: no bios upgrades available ?
• 861[08:14:55] <Ha0hmaru> rwp, no, i was using the realtime kernel from before the upgrade
• 862[08:15:30] <Ha0hmaru> i also use it on my other debian machines (they are not upgraded to 10 yet)
• 863[08:15:56] <earend1> rwp: thanks for the hint. shouldn't the chan be prefixed with a double-hash --> ##debian via freenode policy?
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• 865[08:17:34] <Ha0hmaru> shhh, it's a secret, staff don't know bout this
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• 867[08:18:48] <rwp> This isn't that non-project. It's useful. It's just that Debian decided to make OFTC their official channel some time ago.
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• 876[08:23:44] <earend1> i see. thanks.
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• 894[08:29:08] <Ha0hmaru> oh wow, rotating the display via an xorg conf is does the job even in the login manager
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• 900[08:36:14] <Novell> Hi! How do I get apt-setup/local0/repository="replaced-url
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• 920[08:46:19] <inch> Novell: replaced-url
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• 922[08:46:52] <inch> Hmm, I assumed you use local0/key too.
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• 924[08:46:59] <Novell> inch: I don't think that workaround works..
• 925[08:47:01] <Novell> inch: yeah
• 926[08:47:15] <Novell> I even tried adding the option to ignore unsigned
• 927[08:47:37] <Novell> or that might work.. if there is a variable like $selected_pakages
• 928[08:47:43] <Novell> which can be used with apt-get
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• 936[08:50:38] <Novell> so is there a real solution to the problem or only a non-working work-around?
• 937[08:50:48] <Novell> or am I stuck with Debian 9?
• 938[08:51:09] <humpled> what is Novell?
• 939[08:51:42] <Novell> humpled: "How do I get apt-setup/local0/repository="replaced-url
• 940[08:51:54] <zamuro> You're not "stuck" to a distro. You can always use another one.
• 941[08:52:42] <Novell> zamuro: .. except for all the dependencies, existing build environment, infrastructure etc...
• 942[08:53:09] <Novell> so it's not just switching to some other distro in my case
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• 944[08:54:57] <centrix> Do I have to install postfix on Jessie in order to relay mail. I not a debian guy. Just learning basics of this distro.
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• 947[08:57:54] <inch> I don't know what is The Correct way of doing these preseed things, but I have a pxelinux.cfg/menu with a couple of choices. Each choice has preseed url pointing at a cgi script with some parameters.
• 948[08:58:39] <inch> Then the script will will read a preseed file, change some values if needed and returns it to installer.
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• 950[08:59:28] <inch> So far I have had no need to alter the installer files at all, just the preseed and my own packages in my own repo.
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• 962[09:15:38] <dob1> hi, I think I got it but I ask to confirm. using easy-rsa, make-cadir now, in booster, it doesn't create links to the various scripts you need to manage certificates for the vpn but you have a single executable easyrsa that can be invoked with the command you need, right ? like ./easyrsa build-ca
• 963[09:16:03] <Novell> inch: so I need a preseed file for each n^(n-1) available choice during package selection to work around the missing ability to add my own repo?
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• 965[09:17:28] <inch> The workaround in the bug report (do everything about your own repo in late-command) works for me.
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• 968[09:17:44] <inch> But that doesn't mean it works for everyone.
• 969[09:17:47] <Novell> inch: but how do I install packages in late-command based on package selection?
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• 971[09:18:11] <inch> I do it by editing the preseed in the cgi script so that the preseed will have the selected packages.
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• 973[09:19:18] <Novell> so I need like 1000 different menu options in the PXE boot menu...
• 974[09:19:33] <Novell> for all different possibilities
• 975[09:19:53] <dob1> why .bashrc of root is so horrible? no colors, nothing
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• 978[09:20:26] <Novell> ok, so maybe not 1000, but it will be around 50-100 different ones...
• 979[09:20:38] <inch> Novell: where does your $selected_packages come from?
• 980[09:20:42] <Novell> doesn't seem usable at all
• 981[09:20:45] <Novell> inch: no where
• 982[09:20:56] <Novell> My question was, is there a variable like that
• 983[09:21:01] <Novell> that can be used in late-command
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• 985[09:21:14] <Novell> based on the selected packages during package selection
• 986[09:21:44] <humpled> always bring your own .bashrc dob1 ;)
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• 991[09:24:19] <inch> Novell: I think you should explain your use case in that bug report. Perhaps the maintainers would be more willing to fix it if there is more demand.
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• 1042[09:56:03] <darxmurf> for those you update to buster on machines with NIS client. Update then your /etc/default/nis file to remove the -no-dbus argument. The actual ypbind in buster does not recognize this argument
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• 1124[10:43:59] <SpeedyG> hi, after upgrading to buster I got an issue that my samba automount is no longer writable.... pasted the conf. file contents replaced-url
• 1125[10:44:14] <SpeedyG> how can I fix it to be writable again by my user?
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• 1132[10:47:47] <SpeedyG> (it is writable by root btw )
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• 1136[10:49:26] <SpeedyG> oh... apparently adding the specific uid/gid pairs works...
• 1137[10:49:35] <SpeedyG> asking+googling at the same time ftw :D
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• 1139[10:50:09] <SpeedyG> curious though, what changed from stretch->buster that adding the uid/gid pair is a requirement now... because that wasnt explicitly needed before...
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• 1144[10:53:24] <NetTerminalGene> guys, my debian installs updates automatically. is it enough to remove "unattended-upgrades"?
• 1145[10:53:40] <NetTerminalGene> i want it not to update automatically
• 1146[10:53:41] <blackflow> NetTerminalGene: yep. That thing is atrocious.
• 1147[10:53:47] <jelly> SpeedyG, newer kernel, different defaults for smb3/cifs
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• 1149[10:54:12] <NetTerminalGene> blackflow, ok. removing then
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• 1152[10:55:10] <blackflow> NetTerminalGene: perhaps file a bug asking for it NOT to be enabled (or even installed) by default? I filed for Ubuntu (as I'm not using Debian's BT because email!)
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• 1154[10:55:39] <SpeedyG> jelly: ok, makes sense :) thanks
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• 1156[10:56:10] <jelly> oh noes, EMAIL
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• 1158[10:56:17] <blackflow> the bane of my existence!
• 1159[10:56:26] <SpeedyG> almost as bad as FTP or TELNET :D
• 1160[10:56:42] <SpeedyG> or.... FAX .... *shivers*
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• 1163[10:57:09] <blackflow> Maybe Debian should wake up and smell the 2019. Ooh! Ooh! 1990s called. They want their email based bug tracker back!
• 1164[10:57:44] <jelly> blackflow, I heard they accept volunteer help.
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• 1166[10:58:15] <blackflow> jelly: oh pls, get real :) even if I applied nobody would give me access to the infra to set up a proper bug tracker.
• 1167[10:58:30] <jelly> sorry, that's bullshit
• 1168[10:58:33] <blackflow> because here. I volunteer. Where do I post my ssh pubkey? ;)
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• 1174[11:00:21] <blackflow> pretty sure whoever wants to help out would need to be a trusted contributor already, trusted with access to the infra already.
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• 1176[11:01:29] <jelly> blackflow, you can clone the whole current bts via rsync, set up the software and work on migration and integration on your own
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• 1178[11:02:48] <jelly> I think the channel for bts is #debian-bugs on oftc.
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• 1180[11:03:05] <muAdmDev> I'm looking for a simple solution to automatically change the default route if the default router is not reachable. So far I tried adding gateways per interfaces and setting up additional routing tables. any step by step guide you could recommend?
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• 1184[11:04:16] <jelly> muAdmDev, additional routing tables (that is, policy based routing) seems to be the accepted way to do multihomed network access
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• 1187[11:05:01] <jelly> at least that's what lartc.org tells me. None of it particularly simple
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• 1189[11:05:37] <ihristov> muAdmDev take a look at this script replaced-url
• 1190[11:05:41] <muAdmDev> jelly: ok, than I'll have another try with those :=
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• 1192[11:06:08] <muAdmDev> ihristov: that seems nice, thx!
• 1193[11:06:40] <ihristov> muAdmDev It works by pinging some addresses that you could configure and changing the default route
• 1194[11:07:05] <muAdmDev> ihristov: yeah, just read it. exactly what I need :D
• 1195[11:07:21] <ihristov> muAdmDev :D great
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• 1202[11:13:50] <jelly> muAdmDev, unless you only use default gw to get to your vpn, you will have issues with established tcp connections hanging after a switchover
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• 1206[11:14:29] <jelly> that may or may not be a problem for you
• 1207[11:14:48] <mrig> I am a little concerned as the software packager has updated my bios and I am getting a reoccurring update message, the bios is for the lenovo 460 where as I have a lenovo x260; Since updating to debian 10 these updates have been made.
• 1208[11:15:22] <mrig> I can no longer run the kvm module when I try to start a qemu VM.
• 1209[11:15:26] <jelly> mrig, what do you mean by "software packager"?
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• 1211[11:15:39] <muAdmDev> jelly: can't have it all, when you are not using BGP ;)
• 1212[11:15:51] <muAdmDev> jelly: thx for the hint though
• 1213[11:15:58] <mrig> jelly it is the software gui app that has installed these bios modifications.
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• 1215[11:16:15] <jelly> mrig, does this app come with Debian?
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• 1218[11:16:44] <mrig> Yes it is the default gnome wrapper around apt I imagine.
• 1219[11:17:52] <jelly> mrig, if you open a terminal, does "fwupdmgr" command work?
• 1220[11:18:29] <mrig> jelly yes it does.
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• 1222[11:18:51] <mrig> oh no, it says command not found, i scrolled up some.
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• 1224[11:19:12] <mrig> does give usage options though, must be there.
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• 1227[11:20:20] <mrig> Having some issues with my wacom device as well since the upgrade.
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• 1229[11:20:28] <jelly> it's possible the gnome thing you use now has support for fwupd and fwupdmgr, and that it got firmware that way. This is unfortunate.
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• 1231[11:20:55] <mrig> What would you recommend that I do here?
• 1232[11:21:30] <mrig> I wish that I had not clicked, normally I only ever use apt-get on the command line.
• 1233[11:21:55] <blackflow> did it actually flash BIOS?
• 1234[11:22:00] <mrig> reflash back to the latest lenavo perhaps?
• 1235[11:22:07] <mrig> yes it did
• 1236[11:22:08] <blackflow> or are we talking about run time firmware loading
• 1237[11:22:32] <mrig> a bios flash was run.
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• 1241[11:23:05] <jelly> blackflow, if it did what I think it did, it actually flashed newer firmware
• 1242[11:23:23] <mrig> Well a firmware replacement, I dont know that it was the entire bios.
• 1243[11:23:34] <mrig> Yes I think that you are right there.
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• 1246[11:23:47] <jelly> mrig, pastebin the output of "fwupgmgr get-devices"
• 1247[11:23:49] <blackflow> jelly: I see, yeah.
• 1248[11:23:58] <jelly> mrig, sorry, "fwupdmgr get-devices"
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• 1250[11:24:46] <mrig> replaced-url
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• 1254[11:26:53] <jelly> mrig, perhaps someone in ##ibmthinkpad has already dealt with something similar.
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• 1256[11:27:34] <jelly> I do not know how to figure out what the previous version of bios/uefi system firmware was, perhaps fwupd hsa logs somewhere.
• 1257[11:27:35] <mrig> jelly thank you, I will go an ask in there.
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• 1259[11:29:29] <mrig> Oh, it does not seem that I am able to post in there, strange as I have an identified nick.
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• 1264[11:30:35] <jelly> mrig, you're not NickServ identified right now.
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• 1266[11:30:58] <mrig> oh I thought that I had, thanks for pointing that out.
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• 1269[11:32:15] <mrig> I am not in my usual client, so my procedure is all out of whack.
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• 1289[11:44:47] <mrig> oh how strange, now banned from programming?
• 1290[11:45:49] <mrig> unless I am still not identified properly.
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• 1302[11:52:00] <mrig> jelly I was wondering about rolling back to 9.9?
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• 1319[12:00:29] <mrig> I gather the security issues with this model will not be resolved for some time :(
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• 1355[12:23:29] <mrig> jelly thank you for your help, I'm going to go and check on the versions.
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• 1362[12:26:54] <Slashman> hello, on Debian 10, what's the best practice regarding time based task: crontab or systemd timer units?
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• 1367[12:31:00] <norg> Hi, I saw that debian also uses cpupower now as a replacement for cpufreq-utils. But while on Arch I have a systemd unit to set the default governor (boot persistent) I couldn't find the proper way on debian. The wiki still points to the cpufreq-utils config to set the governor. So what's the recommended way?
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• 1371[12:33:16] <bdax> my computer has started crashing in a very weird way: replaced-url
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• 1374[12:34:06] <bdax> I've no idea how to go about figuring out what's wrong here, just all of a sudden the screen turns to that, the microphone on one occasion made a second or two of white noise and then stopped while that stuff in the video carried on
• 1375[12:34:09] <Ticho> norg: I think you're meant to use tuned and its profiles
• 1376[12:34:37] <bdax> does anyone have any tips on finding out what's wrong, or can recommend a forum that might be a good place to ask?
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• 1378[12:35:28] <norg> Ticho: I should add that I'm on stretch :)
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• 1383[12:40:23] <Ticho> norg: well, there is always /etc/rc.local :)
• 1384[12:41:14] <norg> I know but thought that there would be an official way or a systemd service :)
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• 1386[12:43:18] <Haohmaru> bdax smells like video memory
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• 1390[12:43:55] <Haohmaru> is it an integrated video card?
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• 1399[12:49:31] <mrig> jelly What would you recommend at this time, would reinstalling debian be pointless under these circumstances? Should I wait for what ever this is to be resolved by the debian contributors? I can run without the VM?
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• 1403[12:50:24] <mrig> There is also a small glitch with the cursor if I use a wacom as a mouse, I suppose it is impossible to know if the two things are related ...
• 1404[12:51:13] <bdax> not sure if anyone responded to my question? so i wouldn't have seen it
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• 1409[12:53:38] <jelly> mrig, see if there's a bios setting to (re)enable VT-x (virtualization) support.
• 1410[12:54:11] <mrig> jelly, I check that and it is still enabled.
• 1411[12:55:01] <jelly> mrig, then it ought to work. Do you have vbox installed maybe?
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• 1413[12:55:41] <mrig> I have the most recent bios referance and there is one car diferance between it anda the one that I am running on but it is not the numeric identifier that is different.
• 1414[12:56:09] <mrig> no I dont, this is qemu
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• 1419[12:57:03] <jelly> apparently having vbox kernel stuff installed interferes with kvm kernel stuff
• 1420[12:57:42] <mrig> It has worked between my os update and the patch being applied, it must be the patch.
• 1421[12:58:42] <mrig> I did force the update to change over files that were left over from the 9.9 instillation, I used apt-get to update to 10; I was wondering if a clean install from DVD would help
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• 1423[12:59:29] <mrig> Not sure if there was the cursor bug prior to that, I suppose trying this will eliminate the doubt.
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• 1429[13:02:11] <mrig> My other option is that there is a piece of software that turns the bios cd iso into on that is readable by uefi that I can use to flash without installing windows, other than that I have to install windows to flash the bios with the file that is given.
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• 1431[13:03:49] <mrig> I think it changes the .exe actually, I could try making a usb from the iso but I am fairly sure that it will not work like that.
• 1432[13:03:51] <brandstifter> Hi, I build a package of binaries and using dpkg-deb --build command. The problem is that apt install shows that "0 B will be used after installing" which is not true. what do I missing in such a case
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• 1443[13:08:42] <ansyeb> hello. I want to reinstall osX for debian10 on my bookpro19. what "issues" to expect? should I expect ctrl & shift to work as they normally would? may I remap "cmd" to be my alt?
• 1444[13:09:01] <ansyeb> osme driver issues, anything else etc
• 1445[13:09:21] <mrig> Oh no, I am mistaken, I have the current bios on there, that seems to be ok, for some reason there is a difference between the name of the bios once installed and the name of the package, so the differance is normal.
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• 1467[13:22:57] <centrix> I have set auto-load of iptables in /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables executing iptables-restore only once, but I can see rules doubled (iptables -L -n). Where to look to remove duplicates? Thank you. I am new to this distro.
• 1468[13:23:05] <centrix> DB11
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• 1474[13:29:17] <colo-work> centrix, "DB11"? what is that? there's the "iptables-persistent" package that takes care of this stuff for you.
• 1475[13:30:33] <centrix> Sorry. DB10 = Deb 10.
• 1476[13:31:05] <centrix> colo-work, I followed this URL: replaced-url
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• 1479[13:31:22] <centrix> It works, but it doubles rules.
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• 1481[13:32:10] <Haohmaru> how do i copy a sub folder, into the current place, including all the parent folders?
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• 1483[13:34:20] <jelly> centrix, that's a) 10 years old, and b) when random internet article mentions something that works with debian/ubuntu, they probably did not even try it on debian
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• 1487[13:34:54] <centrix> OK. Let me grab a new distro.
• 1488[13:35:07] <centrix> A new version I mean.
• 1489[13:36:14] <centrix> Ahh, now I understand ... the info on the page is 10 years old.
• 1490[13:36:23] <Exagone313> centrix: just undo the weird changes
• 1491[13:36:29] <centrix> :)
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• 1493[13:36:53] <brandstifter> HI! when use `apt install foobar` apt shows the message "After this operation, xxx B of additional disk space will be used". How does apt calculate this?
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• 1500[13:40:13] <centrix> colo-work, iptables-persistent did the job. Thanks.
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• 1505[13:43:30] <jelly> brandstifter, each binary package has that info about itself, and repos know about it. Try: apt-cache show foobar
• 1506[13:44:04] <jelly> brandstifter, see the Installed-Size header, value is in KiB
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• 1509[13:47:28] <brandstifter> jelly: I have a package (created my self with `dpkg-deb --build` which have no Installed-Size, but it shows a Size field with correct information. Do you know what i am doing wrong when building the package?
• 1510[13:47:36] <Secret-Fire> can anyone help me get my usb dongle working?
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• 1539[14:02:36] <st-gourichon-fid> Hello. I sometimes work (actually, mostly for hack fun) with Debian source packages. There are a lot of possible states, contexts and ways to get source code. For example: (1) dsc+*orig.tar.*+debian.tar.xz (2) extracted folder with debian/rules (3) binary package(s). There are a lot of options to move from one state to another. I'm considering a chart (e.g. with graphviz) that would provide an overview of the states
• 1540[14:02:36] <st-gourichon-fid> and the possible transitions. Does such a chart already exist?
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• 1542[14:03:25] <st-gourichon-fid> Other states: (0) binary package name, (0.1) source package name
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• 1544[14:03:50] <st-gourichon-fid> Example of transition: dpkg-source -x name.dsc provides (1) to (2).
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• 1555[14:07:38] <mrig> jelly: I must have broken something forcing the change of files after the update. I do have a new linux option at boot time when I choose the boot device, and and still getting the request from the spftware manager to update the T460 firmware, but the KVM is working again :)
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• 1557[14:09:36] <jelly> mrig, surely the Gnome Software Manager thig can be told to skip a particular update?
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• 1560[14:11:08] <mrig> jelly There does not appear to be any option to do that, I don't have to click on it ... I think I will keep out of there in the future, it is just that there are system alerts from it some times.
• 1561[14:11:43] <jelly> eh
• 1562[14:12:08] <blackflow> So, the decline of once glorious Debian starts with Buster and introduction of unattended-upgrades being installed and enabled by default.
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• 1566[14:15:23] <diogenes_> omg i just had to remove a ton of firefox-esr-l10n* in buster.
• 1567[14:15:29] <dob1> the unattended upgrades?
• 1568[14:15:30] <dob1> really?
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• 1572[14:18:22] <jelly> blackflow, best keep this channel for tech support issues. Rants are (sometimes) allowed in #debian-offtopic
• 1573[14:19:01] <mrig> blackflow, well the installs were all optional and it has successfully updated the bios to the most recent version, something that in the past I have had to install windows to do, so no complaints from over here.
• 1574[14:19:28] <blackflow> jelly: rant is constantly in debian-offtopic ;)
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• 1578[14:20:47] <jelly> asking how to stop feature X or change some default is fine. Declaring some default X is terrible is less than fine.
• 1579[14:21:24] <diogenes_> jelly, where should i look for unattended-upgrades in buster? i haven't noticed it.
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• 1581[14:21:41] <jelly> dpkg -l unatt\* | grep ^.i
• 1582[14:21:41] <dpkg> ii unatt\* | grep ^.i 1.1-5 jelly's private coin collection
• 1583[14:22:10] <diogenes_> no packages found matching unatt*
• 1584[14:22:19] <jelly> you don't have it.
• 1585[14:22:32] <diogenes_> maybe it's just goes with gnome.
• 1586[14:22:34] <jelly> fresh desktop installations do.
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• 1588[14:23:03] <Secret-Fire> can't get hci0 to go up
• 1589[14:23:11] <blackflow> hmm yeah, this did start as a gnome desktop that I went on to trim down to i3wm
• 1590[14:23:43] <diogenes_> blackflow, then i guess it's a gnome thing rather than buster.
• 1591[14:23:58] <jelly> I don't have an optinion of Gnome to share in polite company.
• 1592[14:24:05] <diogenes_> i've clean installed buster xfce and nothing there.
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• 1595[14:24:45] <blackflow> diogenes_: no, gnome has its own app store and packagekit based update... unattended-upgrades is independent.
• 1596[14:25:09] <blackflow> but possibly made installed with gnome. It wasn't in Stretch, even with gnome.
• 1597[14:25:13] <diogenes_> blackflow, then how i don't have it in xfce?
• 1598[14:25:57] <blackflow> diogenes_: I don't know, but what I'm trying to tell you is that it's not a hard dep of gnome itself. Maybe the maintainers made it so, but it's a completely standalone package, installed by default on ubuntu both desktop and server where there's no gnome.
• 1599[14:26:30] <blackflow> it's a simple service that comes with a timer and runs apt.
• 1600[14:27:05] <diogenes_> blackflow, i understood that but to verify if it actually does come with gnome i'm gonna run a gnome buster off of a usb and find out.
• 1601[14:27:17] <humpled> you probably have a bunch of stuff which was installed by some part of gnome
• 1602[14:27:40] <blackflow> welp, this being a fresh installation and me erroneosly choosing desktop even though I wanted none (so I can manually set up i3-wm), I'm gonna reinstall and this time rebuild it from bottom up.
• 1603[14:27:44] <humpled> one day you'll remove a gnome package and a whole bunch of dependencies which you've come to rely on will go too
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• 1607[14:28:24] <diogenes_> yah gnome is like that, simply removing evolution takes down gnome-shell itself and half of your system.
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• 1610[14:29:27] <blackflow> humpled: I thought I did but I apparently missed something.
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• 1617[14:34:43] <misternumberone> hi, running debian sid amd64 xorg on Dell Precision M4800. the default values for the touchpad/stick speed/acceleration are unusable. i set usable values with "xinput --set-prop "AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint Stick" "libinput Accel Speed" 0.5", etc. however i am having difficulty setting this configuration for reboot, changes are not persistent.
• 1618[14:35:38] <Haohmaru> do these in xorg.conf.d
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• 1622[14:36:26] <Haohmaru> at least that's where my "turn mouse accel OFF god damn it" goes, and it works
• 1623[14:36:26] <jelly> judd: why gnome-software unattended-upgrades
• 1624[14:36:35] <judd> Packages gnome-software and unattended-upgrades in buster/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: gnome-software ▶ software-properties-gtk ▶ python3-software-properties ▷ unattended-upgrades
• 1625[14:36:45] <jelly> blackflow, ^
• 1626[14:37:27] <diogenes_> that's what i thought.
• 1627[14:37:41] <misternumberone> i tried creating configuration files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and /var/log/Xorg.0.log showed the settings applied, but in effect there was no change and xinput still had to be run, here are my present output for xinput --list: replaced-url
• 1628[14:37:49] <jelly> empty ▷ is a Recommends, filled ▶ is Depends
• 1629[14:38:31] <jelly> misternumberone, you'll want to ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net if you have issues with sid
• 1630[14:39:08] <blackflow> jelly: I see
• 1631[14:39:28] <jelly> misternumberone, things are typically shaky right after a release, best have two computers so that one works if you manage to upgrade the other into uselessness
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• 1633[14:40:47] <Akuw> i am getting sudo: unknown user: postgres sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin
• 1634[14:40:48] <jelly> blackflow, don't worry, KDE has a similar chain :-|
• 1635[14:41:01] <jelly> !ask
• 1636[14:41:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1637[14:41:02] <Akuw> after sudo -u postgres pqsl
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• 1641[14:41:13] <Akuw> jellyu: hi
• 1642[14:41:18] <Akuw> jelly: hi
• 1643[14:41:40] <misternumberone> jelly: yes thanks, i am about to ask elsewhere, just thought to mention this issue existed for me in debian 9 and 10 in an identical form and i upgraded for other reasons
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• 1645[14:41:50] <jelly> Akuw, can you "su - postgres" normally?
• 1646[14:41:51] <blackflow> jelly: I filed a bug in Ubuntu but that got shot down within hours by both Ubuntu and Debian maintainers :/
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• 1648[14:42:31] <Akuw> No passwd entry for user 'postgres'
• 1649[14:42:42] <jelly> Akuw, be root first.
• 1650[14:42:51] <Akuw> i am root
• 1651[14:42:57] <blackflow> no root either, you have to su -l postgres
• 1652[14:42:59] <jelly> huh.
• 1653[14:43:10] <blackflow> that's normal. system root user is not mapped to a postgres "root" user
• 1654[14:43:14] <jelly> Akuw, which debian release is this?
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• 1656[14:43:40] <Akuw> 8
• 1657[14:43:42] <blackflow> oh wait, I misunderstood what your'e asking....
• 1658[14:43:47] <Akuw> but was working yesterday
• 1659[14:43:57] <jelly> blackflow, "su - postgres" is the same thing as "su -l postgres" afaik
• 1660[14:44:18] <blackflow> jelly: no no I completely misunderstood their problem, I thought it was about postgres user "root" not existing by default...
• 1661[14:44:27] <blackflow> back to reinstalling Buster..
• 1662[14:44:38] <jelly> Akuw, what does "getent passwd postgres" say?
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• 1664[14:45:02] <Akuw> nothing
• 1665[14:45:15] <jelly> so you or some other tool deleted that user.
• 1666[14:45:31] <jelly> Akuw, did you purge any postgresql related packages recently?
• 1667[14:45:40] <Akuw> no
• 1668[14:45:52] <Akuw> the last this i did was doing some querys
• 1669[14:46:09] <Akuw> then after some time when i login again got that error
• 1670[14:46:17] <Akuw> but postgres is running
• 1671[14:46:21] <jelly> Akuw, what about grep postgres /var/backups/passwd.bak /etc/passwd*
• 1672[14:46:59] <jelly> does a line for postgres exist in any of the backup copies?
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• 1675[14:48:12] <Akuw> no output
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• 1679[14:50:11] <jelly> Akuw, okay, that's not too good. Figur out when the passwd database was last changed. Pastebin the output of "ls -ld /var/backups/passwd.bak /etc/passwd". Look at which user owns postgres files right now, "ls -la /var/lib/postgresql/"
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• 1681[14:50:46] <Akuw> ok
• 1682[14:50:48] <jelly> Akuw, also, do you have daily backups for this machine?
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• 1684[14:52:15] <Akuw> first command both files root root
• 1685[14:52:35] <Akuw> second, /var/lib/postgres does not exist
• 1686[14:52:37] <jelly> Akuw, pastebin the complete output please
• 1687[14:53:09] <jelly> and be careful typing them in. /var/lib/postgres and /var/lib/postgresql/ are not the same thing
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• 1690[14:53:37] <Akuw> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2385 Apr 8 2017 /etc/passwd
• 1691[14:53:42] <jelly> !paste
• 1692[14:53:42] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 1697[14:54:16] <Akuw> -rw----r-- 1 root root 2385 Apr 8 2017 /var/backups/passwd.bak
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• 1700[14:54:42] <jelly> Akuw, if those haven't been changed since 2017, are you SURE this machine is supposed to have postgres running?
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• 1702[14:54:57] <jelly> logged on to wrong machine?
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• 1706[14:55:22] <Akuw> yes
• 1707[14:55:25] <Akuw> is running
• 1708[14:57:16] <Akuw> ohh my god
• 1709[14:57:19] <Akuw> ...
• 1710[14:57:25] <Akuw> i was in wrong server
• 1711[14:57:31] <jelly> yep.
• 1712[14:57:32] <Haohmaru> does the "script ..." thing (which the upgrade guide suggest) stop recording after the reboot?
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• 1714[14:58:12] <jelly> Haohmaru, you're supposed to exit that shell and script before doing the reboot.
• 1715[14:58:28] <jelly> otherwise the shutdown process will kill it
• 1716[14:58:39] <Akuw> jelly: i wanna die
• 1717[14:58:41] <Akuw> hehehe
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• 1719[14:58:48] <jelly> Haohmaru, script is just a single process, it's not magical and does not persist after reboot
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• 1721[14:58:56] <Akuw> thanks
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• 1723[14:59:00] <jelly> Akuw, it happens!
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• 1730[14:59:39] <Haohmaru> jelly well, i don't think i've exited, but i surely rebooted.. like 5 times
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• 1732[14:59:47] <jelly> but here, we can have the bot laugh at you
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• 1735[14:59:49] <jelly> !pal Akuw
• 1736[14:59:49] * dpkg points at Akuw and laughs uproariously
• 1737[14:59:50] <Haohmaru> so it has stopped? i shouldn't worry about it?
• 1738[15:00:05] <jelly> Haohmaru, correct
• 1739[15:00:08] <Haohmaru> gud
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• 1748[15:00:35] <Haohmaru> i'm currently upgrading the 2nd debian machine (the one that's more complicated)
• 1749[15:00:40] <Haohmaru> pray for me
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• 1764[15:05:16] <Akuw> Haohmaru: pray to Richard Stallman Saint
• 1765[15:05:18] <Akuw> hehehehe
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• 1767[15:05:40] <Haohmaru> huehue
• 1768[15:06:04] <Haohmaru> is he okay with the debian project?
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• 1787[15:13:49] <funabashi> hi guys i can anyone be nice and help with source.list ? replaced-url
• 1788[15:13:56] <greycat> !buster sources.list
• 1789[15:13:57] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1791[15:14:02] <Haohmaru> in debian10, "backports" are things that come from debian11, right?
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• 1793[15:14:21] <greycat> Haohmaru: source comes from sid, binary packages are built on and for buster.
• 1794[15:14:38] <Haohmaru> hm
• 1795[15:14:52] <Haohmaru> sid was the experimental flavour?
• 1796[15:14:53] <jelly> Haohmaru, correct, official backports in release-backports always come from release+1, in case of stable, they always come from testing
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• 1798[15:15:10] <jelly> greycat, source never comes from sid
• 1799[15:15:18] <Haohmaru> oh
• 1800[15:15:32] <jelly> you can't get a backport of something that's not in testing
• 1801[15:15:41] <jelly> unless you make it yourself.
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• 1803[15:16:03] <greycat> Oh, then it's strange that judd defaults to sid as the backport source when you do ,checkbackport.
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• 1805[15:16:20] <jelly> that's kind of intentional
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• 1807[15:16:28] <Haohmaru> judd, the supporter of fake news
• 1808[15:16:30] <wr> greycat, on xfce4-terminal $PATH ok, on xfce GUI root terminal, echo $PATH not ok, thing is, they are both same xfce4-terminal, even after several changes get /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
• 1809[15:16:43] <jelly> peopl who want to make a local backport usually want the latest thing
• 1810[15:16:48] <greycat> wr: the TERMINAL has nothing to do with it.
• 1811[15:17:02] <Haohmaru> true, jelly
• 1812[15:17:06] <blackflow> jelly: speaking of which, I think you had an URL on how to do that (eg. for nvidia), do you have it handy?
• 1813[15:17:07] <greycat> wr: "su -" is simply DIFFERENT from whatever your "XFCE GUI root terminal" is.
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• 1815[15:17:46] <humpled> what is a gui root terminal?
• 1816[15:17:46] <jelly> greycat, arguably whatever "XFCE GUI root terminal" is, it ought to provide a decent PATH for root
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• 1818[15:18:01] <greycat> I advised him to fix it or to file a bug report. Yesterday.
• 1819[15:18:08] <funabashi> deb replaced-url
• 1820[15:18:08] <funabashi> deb-src replaced-url
• 1821[15:18:15] <funabashi> any wrong with those lines?
• 1822[15:18:16] <jelly> probably a .desktop menu entry / shortcut that's supposed to open a root shell term
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• 1824[15:18:29] <greycat> funabashi: /msg dpkg jessie sources.list
• 1825[15:18:30] <jelly> funabashi, yes
• 1826[15:18:38] <greycat> (Why are you using jessie?)
• 1827[15:18:51] <funabashi> msg dpkg jessie sources.list
• 1828[15:18:54] <jelly> because it's newer than wheezy?
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• 1830[15:19:11] <greycat> The / is important.
• 1831[15:19:34] <jelly> deb replaced-url
• 1832[15:19:42] <humpled> is that new, i'm still on 9 with xfce and don't seem to have it
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• 1835[15:20:31] <funabashi> greycat: replaced-url
• 1836[15:20:41] <humpled> not that i want it
• 1837[15:21:12] <greycat> humpled: I don't use xfce, so if I had to *guess* (and apparently I *do* have to guess because nobody ever EXPLAINS anything), the xfce "root terminal" probably opens a terminal and runs "su" inside it. With the expected different in behavior between stretch and buster.
• 1838[15:21:28] <jelly> funabashi, but you really want to have security.d.o as well. jessie is managed by LTS team now and they don't (have permission to) make point updates so packages that have been fixed for the last year or so, are only available there
• 1839[15:22:05] <funabashi> i just want my apt-get to work
• 1840[15:22:25] <greycat> Then use the sources.list that dpkg says to use.
• 1841[15:22:38] <cusco> !apt suite changed
• 1842[15:22:39] <dpkg> If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use 'testing' in your sources.list, apt-get will complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change
• 1843[15:22:47] <funabashi> greycat: i get these errors with it replaced-url
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• 1845[15:22:58] <tomreyn> funabashi: is this a different system than the EOL Ubuntu 17.10 system you just asked about in #ubuntu then? replaced-url
• 1846[15:23:54] <ayekat> "Ign:3 replaced-url
• 1847[15:24:13] <greycat> *plonk*
• 1848[15:24:13] <jelly> tomreyn, you're reyning all the fun!
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• 1851[15:24:25] <greycat> I was already on red alert when he used an ubuntu paste bin.
• 1852[15:24:58] <humpled> oh they left
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• 1858[15:27:04] <jelly> funabashi, if the system was not actually installed as jessie, the best option is to use repos from the archive of the actual distro. That would mean deb lines, not just deb-src lines.
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• 1861[15:27:27] <greycat> I'm just going to say "reinstall from scratch using Debian".
• 1862[15:27:39] <greycat> There is no way an ubuntu/debian hybrid using PPAs is viable.
• 1863[15:27:51] <jelly> that option is always implied
• 1864[15:27:51] <funabashi> cat debian_version
• 1865[15:27:51] <funabashi> stretch/sid
• 1866[15:28:00] <jelly> funabashi, that's not debian.
• 1867[15:28:18] <humpled> why does this happen every day
• 1868[15:28:38] <jelly> that's 70% of a snapshot of debian testing or unstable, and 30% of Canonical's packages, and whatever you added from 3rd parties on top
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• 1870[15:28:52] <dvs> humpled, because the derivative distro is either not active enough or don't know how to fix the problem.
• 1871[15:28:55] <tomreyn> cat /proc/version says Linux, you should probably ask in ##linux
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• 1873[15:29:08] <jelly> humpled, because people think that things that look superficially similar are the same
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• 1876[15:29:30] <blackflow> tomreyn: or #windows if they're using a WM? ;)
• 1877[15:29:45] <tomreyn> a windows manager, yes!
• 1878[15:29:55] <blackflow> yah.
• 1879[15:30:06] <gpkfr> hello all;)
• 1880[15:30:59] <gpkfr> do you known how to ignore gpg signature for a specific repository ?
• 1881[15:31:26] <wr> greycat, i guess now this done, "su -" is in fact different, so to change $PATH i have to use that, just opening a xfce4-terminal GUI on root will not do it
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• 1885[15:32:12] <greycat> Perhaps xfce's "root terminal" widget/icon/app/menuitem or WHATEVER the hell it is (nobody ever EXPLAINS!!) can be configured somehow.
• 1886[15:32:23] <humpled> yes just open a normal terminal and 'su -'
• 1887[15:32:32] <greycat> Or perhaps not. Only an xfce user could know. I am not one.
• 1888[15:32:32] <humpled> or 'sudo -i' if you don't have a root password
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• 1890[15:32:49] <humpled> i don't believe xfce does have a gui root terminal
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• 1892[15:33:01] <greycat> Then the question becomes "what is he DOING".
• 1893[15:33:05] <humpled> :þ
• 1894[15:33:33] <humpled> in the meantime it seems gksu has been deprecated and pkexec is used now eg. for gparted
• 1895[15:33:43] <wr> greycat, what i did was open the xfce4-terminal GUI root terminal and issued the "su -" and did the export, now on echo $PATH the values changed, so this seems ok now
• 1896[15:33:44] <blackflow> pkexec or admin:// URL scheme
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• 1898[15:34:07] <blackflow> wr: eh what's a "GUI root terminal"
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• 1900[15:34:33] <greycat> wr: is this an icon that you double-click? Is it something you choose from a menu? What is it?
• 1901[15:34:49] <dob1> I am confused about systemd and how to start openvpn: I put server.conf in /etc/openvpn/server/server.conf then I do systemctl start openvpn-server@server and it fails...
• 1902[15:34:57] <dob1> Options error: In [CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file: /etc/openvpn/server.conf
• 1903[15:35:01] <dob1> why it looks there?
• 1904[15:35:38] <blackflow> dob1: what does the service unit template say? probably /lib/systemd/system/openvpn-server@.service
• 1905[15:36:20] <dob1> blackflow, WorkingDirectory=/etc/openvpn/serve
• 1906[15:36:23] <dob1> r
• 1907[15:36:37] <wr> blackflow, the root terminal that have on xfce menu, that by the way on my debian 10 xfce virtual machine new installed test machine does not exist, i guess my physical machine should not have it too, maybe from stretch to buster something continued
• 1908[15:37:16] <dob1> I did now: sudo systemctl enable openvpn-server@server then I go to start it, right?
• 1909[15:37:41] <noln_> a gui root terminal is insecure and broken anyway, because whoever can write to your config files can then run a keylogger or overwrite PATH with a fake su/do
• 1910[15:37:54] <greycat> whaaat
• 1911[15:38:13] <blackflow> dob1: I'm sure there's more than just WorkingDirectory in that unit. It being template, it specifies %I or something like that in a path given to openvp to open the config from, can you pastebin the unit template?
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• 1915[15:39:06] <dob1> blackflow, replaced-url
• 1916[15:39:07] <ayekat> noln_: whoever can write your config can do so without a root terminal
• 1917[15:39:16] <wr> greycat, by default on debian stretch XFCE has that on menu
• 1918[15:39:48] <dob1> blackflow, consider that I did the same for stretch time ago and it worked...
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• 1920[15:39:55] <greycat> So it's in some kind of menu. Can you find where this menu is configured? Can you change its configuration to alter the command it launches inside the terminal?
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• 1922[15:40:29] <greycat> DEs like *.desktop files so maybe it's buried in some file with a .desktop extension in some directory.
• 1923[15:40:32] <wr> blackflow greycat, on menu applications > system > root terminal
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• 1927[15:42:05] <blackflow> dob1: ah yes, --config %i.conf . That unit looks good, not sure why it's not working with relative paths then. Is there another config openvpn is sourcing first and doing a cwd of its onw?
• 1928[15:42:06] <noln_> ayekat, steal X events (e.g. xev) to gain root's password
• 1929[15:42:13] <blackflow> dob1: *of its own
• 1930[15:42:16] <wr> greycat, yes, i do have to check what is running there, let me get where that is
• 1931[15:42:27] <ayekat> noln_: yes, how is a root terminal related there?
• 1932[15:42:37] <ayekat> you can do that as a regular user
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• 1938[15:44:32] <noln_> because the avg user types root's password if prompted by a window saying "root terminal" or "authentication needed". I'm talking in general, I don't know how xfce implements that root window
• 1939[15:44:35] <karlpinc> wr: FWIW, I don't have a "root terminal" in my xfce4 menu on stretch.
• 1940[15:45:19] <greycat> All these xfce users. Maybe ONE of you can tell him how to find the configuration file that defines his "root terminal" menu entry.
• 1941[15:45:34] <dob1> blackflow, I don't know, not it started............ and why sometimes I am able to use autocompletion with systemd services names and sometimes no?
• 1942[15:45:37] <dob1> it's a nightmare
• 1943[15:45:41] <noln_> ayekat, to be fair, sudo() {} is even simpler than that anyway
• 1944[15:45:48] <wr> karlpinc, in that case, maybe i have installed something before when i was on stretch, probably been a while, so i need to fix this too
• 1945[15:45:51] <karlpinc> greycat: Not me. Things show up in the menu when I install packages.
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• 1947[15:45:59] <noln_> su() etc
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• 1949[15:46:13] <blackflow> dob1: the autocomplete is always there albeit slow so perhaps you thought it doesn't respond
• 1950[15:46:18] <blackflow> dob1: so it works okay now?
• 1951[15:46:20] <karlpinc> greycat: I'm only using xfce because it seems the least bad.
• 1952[15:46:21] <ayekat> noln_: yeah, or just any snippet in some xinitrc/bashrc/whatever configuration file that can launch a process - if you can drop arbitrary files into the user's home, you've practically pwned them already
• 1953[15:46:28] <ayekat> no need for a root terminal/shell
• 1954[15:46:35] <greycat> Things show up in my fvwm menu when I manually edit the .fvwm/config file and then reload fvwm. DE users are *weird*.
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• 1956[15:46:49] <wr> karlpinc, but i do remember it being there ever since, can it be because of my install iso's, or did it was because put it there?
• 1957[15:46:50] <dob1> blackflow, but it makes no sense.... it was looking in the wrong place, then I changed the name of the file server -> server01 and it worked...
• 1958[15:47:27] <wr> karlpinc, i have two more pc's running debian and they have it too
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• 1960[15:48:15] <wr> karlpinc, let me have a look again in my other pc to see if not dreaming on this
• 1961[15:48:55] <blackflow> dob1: not sure what's going on there. But something tells me relative paths are being confused somehow. You can try with an absolute path in the unit: .... --config /etc/openvpn/server/%i.conf
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• 1966[15:49:39] <dob1> blackflow, but it's not my duty to change the unit, it's the mantainer that has to make it works
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• 1969[15:50:11] <blackflow> dob1: the maintainer can't know if somebody doesn't tell them, and my suggestion was for you to try that and see if it's consistently working
• 1970[15:50:21] <blackflow> ie. try to figure out where what fails, and perhaps file a bug report.
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• 1974[15:51:28] <dob1> blackflow, I will try some tests
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• 1976[15:52:19] <wr> karlpinc, talking on that, i next need to upgrade it to buster too
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• 1978[15:52:30] <jelly> greycat, there's a standard for menus and entries these days.
• 1979[15:52:54] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1980[15:53:20] <jelly> it's functionally worse than debian-menu, but used by gnome and kde upstream so debian kind of switched over to that.
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• 1982[15:53:51] <jelly> your fvwm probably did not support debian-menu either! I switched from fvwm to afterstep about 20 years ago.
• 1983[15:54:02] <greycat> can you use your knowledge of this "standard for menus" to help wr find out where his "root terminal" menu entry comes from?
• 1984[15:54:23] <jelly> I can :->
• 1985[15:54:36] <twobitsprite> *rimshot*
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• 1987[15:55:48] <jelly> wr, find /usr/share -name '*.desktop' -print0 | xargs -0 grep -li root
• 1988[15:56:03] <jelly> might find a definition for that menu entry
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• 1990[15:56:40] <jelly> twobitsprite, that very precisely does not state "I will" :>
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• 1993[15:57:35] * greycat wonders why he has both "/usr/share/applications" and "/usr/share/apps" and what the difference is
• 1994[15:57:49] <jelly> oh great, so many screensavers have -root option in their invocation :-\
• 1995[15:57:51] <wr> seems /usr/share/applications/xfce4-terminal.desktop
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• 1998[15:59:31] <jelly> that one has just Exec=xfce4-terminal
• 1999[15:59:47] <jelly> does not mention root or anything
• 2000[15:59:51] <twobitsprite> jelly: you are technically correct, the best kind of correct :P
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• 2003[16:00:24] <greycat> wr: can you paste your /usr/share/applications/xfce4-terminal.desktop on replaced-url
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• 2005[16:00:51] <humpled> for user edits you would copy that to ~/.local/share/applications and change it there
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• 2007[16:01:03] <wr> jelly, i remember editing those menus icon once in the past, where exactly, i do not record right now
• 2008[16:01:05] <jelly> might be a custom .desktop somewhere in ~/.config ?
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• 2011[16:01:26] <jelly> oh, there's a .local too
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• 2015[16:02:09] <noln_> /usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop Exec=gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator on this stretch xfce
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• 2017[16:02:23] <jelly> I think gksu is gkgone
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• 2022[16:02:46] * jelly also has a leftover .local/share/applications/menu-xdg/X-Debian-Applications-Terminal-Emulators-x-terminal_as_root_\(gksu\).desktop
• 2023[16:02:51] <wr> greycat, replaced-url
• 2024[16:03:44] <jelly> wr, what about: find ~/.local ~/.config -name '*.desktop' -print0 | xargs -0 grep -li root
• 2025[16:04:04] <jelly> run it as normal user.
• 2026[16:04:06] <humpled> again, stretch here, no gksu, no such menu entries
• 2027[16:04:23] <jelly> ,v gksu
• 2028[16:04:24] <judd> Package: gksu on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.2-9; stretch: 2.0.2-9+b1
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• 2030[16:04:58] <wr> jelly, on that one gets me back to terminal finding nothing
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• 2036[16:06:26] <jelly> dunno then
• 2037[16:06:50] <greycat> How on earth did he get a match from jelly's find command on a file that DOES NOT contain the string "root"....
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• 2040[16:07:13] <jelly> magic!
• 2041[16:07:37] <jelly> and possibly, friendship
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• 2044[16:08:35] <wr> greycat, i dunno how things totally work on this debian but i do know how to spot when something is fishy here
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• 2052[16:14:07] <nifker> Why is there no netsurf on bullseye?
• 2053[16:14:09] <nixew> Is there a command for a reverse DNS lookup (as an alternative to Windows' "ping -a x.x.x.x")?
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• 2056[16:15:09] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dig +short -x 8.8.8.8
• 2057[16:15:10] <greycat> dns.google.
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• 2059[16:15:27] <tarzeau> nifker: probably had a bug, replaced-url
• 2060[16:15:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2062[16:16:39] <nifker> meh
• 2063[16:17:02] <jelly> nixew, if you don't have dig (from dnsutils) installed, "getent hosts 8.8.4.4"
• 2064[16:17:20] <tarzeau> nifker: it's just a transitional package, try netsurf-gtk
• 2065[16:17:36] <tarzeau> also not in buster, /me keeps searching
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• 2069[16:18:18] <tarzeau> nifker: too lazy must be something from replaced-url
• 2070[16:18:34] <nixew> jelly: thank you.
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• 2072[16:18:47] <wr> nixew, dig, host, dnslookup i guess
• 2073[16:19:13] <jelly> nifker, only chromium and firefox have any sort of security support, you might arguably get netsurf in but avoid using it for browsing public internet sites
• 2074[16:19:17] <Haohmaru> is the progress of apt during upgrade calculated based on the size of the stuff?
• 2075[16:19:25] <Haohmaru> i mean file size
• 2076[16:19:51] <jelly> dpkg, why is netsurf not in testing
• 2077[16:19:51] <dpkg> netsurf is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 2080[16:20:50] <zenpac> My top shows 0% cpu for all processes , even for root.
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• 2082[16:21:12] <Haohmaru> cpu speed: infinite!
• 2083[16:21:16] <jelly> zenpac, which debian release?
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• 2085[16:21:31] <zenpac> 9.9
• 2086[16:21:44] <jelly> zenpac, is this inside a container or vps of some sort?
• 2087[16:22:13] <zenpac> jelly: No.. I do run KVM, but this is not a container. Its the host.
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• 2091[16:23:15] <jelly> zenpac, perhaps the system is just that idle. run: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null & in background and try it again
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• 2093[16:23:25] <zenpac> When I do 'ps aux' I see only [migration] [processes have a non-zero value of 356
• 2094[16:23:32] <jelly> zenpac, what does "uname -a" say?
• 2095[16:23:54] <zenpac> jelly: Linux zenpad 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1 (2019-04-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 2098[16:24:19] <jelly> old but not that old
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• 2101[16:25:14] <jelly> zenpac, do you see dd process using around 100% of a single core?
• 2102[16:25:21] <Akuw> what is the best way to create users with certain specific root permissions?
• 2103[16:25:23] <zenpac> jelly: THat kernel is not the stnadard version for this Debian version?
• 2104[16:25:35] <greycat> Akuw: what do you mean by "root permissions"?
• 2105[16:25:49] <Akuw> administrator permissions
• 2106[16:25:50] <blackflow> Akuw: using a mandatory access control
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• 2110[16:26:04] <Akuw> documentation about that?
• 2111[16:26:17] <greycat> Akuw: users do not have "permissions". So your question is extremely unclear. Are you talking about letting them run certain commands through sudo?
• 2112[16:26:32] <Akuw> yes
• 2113[16:26:40] <Akuw> and later audit
• 2114[16:26:41] <jelly> zenpac, there have been a couple versions since that. 4.9.168-1+deb9u3 (2019-06-16)
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• 2116[16:26:44] <greycat> Then you have to configure sudoers and may dog have mercy on your soul.
• 2117[16:26:46] <jelly> ,kernels
• 2118[16:26:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1); wheezy-
• 2119[16:26:48] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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• 2122[16:27:13] <Akuw> greycat: then if some user do something where is the log?
• 2123[16:27:19] <Akuw> to audit
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• 2125[16:27:21] <zenpac> jelly: I don't see any installation candidates. Maybe I jus tneed to reboot
• 2126[16:27:23] <greycat> sudo normally logs in /var/log/auth.log
• 2127[16:27:28] <blackflow> /var/log/auth.log by default
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• 2130[16:27:50] <greycat> or more technically, it logs through syslog() with settings that tell rsyslog to drop lines in /var/log/auth.log
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• 2132[16:28:21] <wr> Akuw, i believe you want sudoers file on visudo
• 2133[16:28:22] <jelly> Akuw, however if you allow a user to "sudo -i" or otherwise open a shell as root, they will be able to run commands there without sudo logging them.
• 2134[16:29:00] <Akuw> i think i have to clear what commands they need
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• 2136[16:29:11] <Akuw> but at least i can audit
• 2137[16:29:27] <Akuw> the problem is some users are running with same root account
• 2138[16:29:32] <jelly> Akuw, and make VERY precise rules in sudoers (or better /etc/sudoers.d/local)
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• 2140[16:29:56] <Akuw> with sudo i can audit, else no possible
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• 2142[16:30:37] <jelly> there are other, commercial solutions that try to log more. There are also kernel-based solutions that track any execve()
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• 2144[16:30:42] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: You probably need to go beyond irc one-liners in investigating this.
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• 2146[16:31:03] <jelly> sadly I don't know of anything ready-made that I could recommend
• 2147[16:31:16] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: There should be some good articles availabl on using sudo and auditd to monitor your systems.
• 2148[16:31:41] <BCMM> tbh, if the system is messed up, and some guy opened a shell to avoid logging, that's the guy who messed it up
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• 2151[16:32:16] <gnat_x> hi folks. when i upgraded to buster xfce stopped catching the events for the play/pause, stop, prev, and next multimedia buttons. The other ones, like volume work, as do other Fn +. This is the last mildly annoying broken thing from the upgrade.
• 2152[16:32:21] <BCMM> (of course, it's possible to use sudo to edit the auth log. there is *some* trust required here.)
• 2153[16:32:26] <greycat> there are other reasons to run a full shell as root besides "avoid logging", unfortunately, which makes it difficult to determine motives
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• 2155[16:32:52] <BCMM> greycat: sure. i should have made it clearer that i was talking about a system in which policy is to always use sudo for each command
• 2156[16:32:55] <greycat> the biggest one for me is directories without r-x permissions for "other", which means you really need a root shell to navigate
• 2157[16:33:00] <gnat_x> is suspect there's some "systemd listens for those now" reason that i haven't found in my looking around. so any pointers are more than helpful.
• 2158[16:33:13] <gnat_x> (but i also could be way off base about that)
• 2159[16:33:32] <vlt> Akuw: And you should be aware that any user can `sudo fiddle with the logs`.
• 2160[16:33:40] <jelly> Akuw, BPF kernel component can do execve() logging, that's one of the examples in the docs (search for execve an execsnoop) replaced-url
• 2161[16:34:29] <jelly> that's the system call used to "run a command"
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• 2164[16:35:41] <jelly> and apparently audit can do it on its own?
• 2165[16:35:43] <jelly> replaced-url
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• 2167[16:35:57] <wr> jelly, greycat by the way the thing runs gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator it was on /usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop
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• 2170[16:36:42] <greycat> Is gksu something that changed between stretch and buster?
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• 2174[16:37:02] <greycat> I remember seeing it mentioned a number of times but I know very little about desktop env stuff.
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• 2177[16:37:27] <jelly> gksu was removed after stretch
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• 2180[16:37:54] <greycat> the dpkg factoid needs updating, then...
• 2181[16:38:34] <jelly> it was a gnome component and they switched to something dbus-related as backend
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• 2185[16:38:59] <wr> jelly, greycat when i moved from stretch to buster i may have some extra junk packages on here, i need to fix this, and if the gksu is out, i'll leave it off here too
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• 2188[16:39:51] <greycat> wr: my primary goal is figuring out where your "root terminal" is configured and how you can make it do the correct thing, but if that turns out to be impossible or impractical, I suppose just removing that menu entry could be the final answer
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• 2190[16:39:58] <wr> jelly, yep, gnome indeed by what i remember
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• 2192[16:40:56] <Akuw> the server is using windows :\
• 2193[16:40:58] <greycat> wr: from your description, it sounds like it tries to run the entire TERMINAL as root, instead of running the terminal normally and running an "su" or "sudo" command inside it. Which is utterly baffling and preposterous, which means it's probably exactly what the Desktop people chose to do.
• 2194[16:41:10] <wr> greycat, this has an edit so i can puth anything there i guess
• 2195[16:41:18] <Akuw> i didn't know
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• 2198[16:41:48] <jelly> greycat, yes. Someone decided it was, in essence, a good idea to do an equivalent of su - root -c xterm
• 2199[16:42:12] <wr> greycat, this terminal is a xfce thing, so it way be ok, i just need to run su's on top, no?
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• 2201[16:43:05] <greycat> wr: the obvious fix *to me* would be to rewrite the entire *.desktop file to just have it run the command "sudo -s" or "sudo -i" (your choice) inside a regular terminal. sudo will prompt you for your password when the terminal runs it. This of course assumes you have sudo installed, and that you're allowed to use it.
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• 2205[16:43:49] <wr> greycat, seems fine to me, and looks easy that
• 2206[16:43:52] <noln_> following greycat's indication, and tried locally. xfce4-terminal -x su -l
• 2207[16:43:57] <jelly> or write a new .desktop file and put that in
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• 2210[16:44:26] <greycat> noln_: *shudder* ... but yes, that would also be a choice.
• 2211[16:44:31] <wr> so i edit /usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop ?
• 2212[16:44:38] <humpled> noooo
• 2213[16:44:44] <greycat> wr: you need to know what you're doing first.
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• 2215[16:45:16] <wr> greycat, i get what to do, not sure just on the file, but i think i figure it out in a sec
• 2216[16:45:22] <jelly> wr, you make a copy in .local/share/applications/ and edit that.
• 2217[16:45:22] <noln_> well, if that's fine with their attack models, so am I
• 2218[16:45:46] <jelly> and refresh... no idea how.
• 2219[16:45:54] <humpled> i just copied the xfce4-terminal.desktop file into ~/.local/share/applications and edited it
• 2220[16:46:02] <humpled> refresh happens automatically
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• 2227[16:47:11] <jelly> wr, edits of files under /usr/share will not survive upgrades in normal conditions. That path is managed by OS, and barring serious bugs you should not need to ever edit anything under there manually
• 2228[16:47:17] <humpled> changed the Name=, the Name[<yourlang>]=, same for Comment, changed the Exec and the Icon
• 2229[16:47:32] <humpled> can't find a nice red terminal icon tho
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• 2233[16:51:21] <wr> jelly, i think i'm gonna leave it alone for now and don't mess this up, for now it doesn't make any issue, just for now, until i come back and feel lucky
• 2234[16:52:20] <humpled> sigh
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• 2238[16:53:23] <edarfoc> hi people!
• 2239[16:53:37] <edarfoc> do you know how to add an actions icon locally to hicolor?
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• 2241[16:53:54] <edarfoc> the usual method for applications icons doesn't seem to work
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• 2244[16:57:51] <jhutchins_wk> edarfoc: No idea what you're talking about.
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• 2246[16:57:55] <blackflow> humpled: take any, change hue in gimp?
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• 2248[16:58:00] <noln_> edarfoc, the icon theme spec says ~/.icons ? replaced-url
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• 2250[16:58:25] <edarfoc> noln_: not working
• 2251[16:58:27] <Pegasus_RPG> Congratulations on the new release!!
• 2252[16:58:57] <dvs> There's a new release?
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• 2254[16:59:05] <edarfoc> jhutchins_wk: the hicolor theme is like a joker for icons, I'd like to add a new icon in my home folder, without touching the system
• 2255[16:59:36] <edarfoc> also, does any of you know why I don't get any apps in GNOME Software's start page?
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• 2257[16:59:43] <somiaj> I think you can also just use full paths
• 2258[16:59:55] <noln_> basically icons have a name, they're looked up in a set of directories defined by the spec, the fallback directory (to guarantee a minimal set of icons available on all systems) is called hicolor
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• 2260[17:00:02] <jelly> Pegasus_RPG, same to you pal!!
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• 2262[17:00:44] <noln_> e.g. if there were a user-specific equivalent of $XDG_DATA_DIRS but for icons, that could(?) solve the issue
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• 2267[17:02:05] <edarfoc> noln_: I can copy the files in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ but that's sort of dirty
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• 2269[17:02:36] <edarfoc> actually I want to add icons from breeze, since there are KDE apps with missing icons under GNOME
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• 2271[17:04:47] <wr> jelly, greycat i compared my debian virtual machine and my pc, i do have that extra terminal, that is junk, i just need to remove it
• 2272[17:04:52] <noln_> edarfoc, breeze-icon-theme won't install them?
• 2273[17:04:52] <diogenes_> gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor might be useful.
• 2274[17:05:22] <noln_> edarfoc, worst case, make a custom *.deb with equivs
• 2275[17:05:42] <edarfoc> noln_: shure, but I just want as fallback a couple of breeze icons which don't exist in adwaita or hicolor
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• 2283[17:07:42] <wr> jelly, i don't record exactly, but i think i one tried to run some file and things didn't work so good, i believe one day i say on the net how to edit path and i might have changed something, i'm not sure i did this was long time ago, but all points to that
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• 2321[17:24:42] <pragomer> hi. as part of an autosetup-script I want to create mbr and two partitions fully automated. does fdisk work also without userinteraction, just with parameters?
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• 2325[17:26:22] <alkisg> pragomer: replaced-url
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• 2327[17:27:46] <pragomer> alkisg: hi, so you would use "parted", right?
• 2328[17:27:54] <alkisg> right
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• 2330[17:29:16] <blackflow> pragomer: sgdisk is nicely scriptable
• 2331[17:29:34] <pragomer> alkisg: mm.. i can see parameters for creating partitions, but not for writing new mbr here: replaced-url
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• 2336[17:30:24] <blackflow> pragomer: mklabel
• 2337[17:30:53] <alkisg> pragomer: see my script that I linked, line 12
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• 2341[17:32:25] <jelly> sgdisk is like sfdisk but for gpt?
• 2342[17:33:00] <blackflow> I thought sgdisk can do both partition layouts
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• 2344[17:33:04] <alkisg> sfdisk supports gpt as well
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• 2346[17:33:32] <jelly> !confuse me
• 2347[17:33:33] <dpkg> No, those is my mushroom yesterday, jelly? Wellies of the Republic of Swaziland with extra anchovies.
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• 2349[17:34:09] <dvs> heh
• 2350[17:34:12] <jelly> it's clear why sane people give up on all that and go with parted, then
• 2351[17:34:35] <pragomer> got it.. so I am looking for the filesystem type for a partition that will contain luks/dmrypt: replaced-url
• 2352[17:34:35] <alkisg> Afaik parted is a much larger effort/library/everything
• 2353[17:34:37] <blackflow> parted is my first choice, but sgdisk is script-friendly
• 2354[17:34:53] <Haohmaru> wowz, 99% of full-upgrade
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• 2356[17:35:18] <blackflow> esp. with relative sizes of partitions, parted requires you to recalculate starting offset
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• 2363[17:37:51] <Haohmaru> hm, after booting into the fresh debian10, i get this weird "Resuming from hybernation" from systemd
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• 2365[17:39:21] <pragomer> alkisg: ah, I got it now with "EOF".. thank to your script. thank you very much
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• 2369[17:40:34] <jelly> how do I decrypt a .gpg file on buster via ssh? gpg binary seems to detect the open desktop session and presumably asks for password at the GUI, but I'm not there
• 2370[17:41:39] <jelly> gpg -d foo.gpg ... # just hangs in there
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• 2373[17:43:06] <jelly> gpg: WARNING: "--no-use-agent" is an obsolete option - it has no effect
• 2374[17:43:18] <blackflow> jelly: tried unsetting the DISPLAY env?
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• 2376[17:44:17] <Pegasus_RPG> dvs: yes, Buster 10.0
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• 2378[17:44:32] <jelly> blackflow, it is NOT set
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• 2380[17:45:02] <jelly> even if it was set, it would point back to my current display via ssh X11Forward
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• 2384[17:47:25] <jelly> gpg --pinentry-mode loopback -d foo.gpg # does the trick but still caches the passphrase
• 2385[17:47:41] * jelly can live with that
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• 2390[17:50:49] <greycat> hmm... there's --no-use-agent too
• 2391[17:51:00] <greycat> Oh. Great. "This is dummy option. gpg always requires the agent."
• 2392[17:51:02] <greycat> what.
• 2393[17:51:08] <dvs> ???
• 2394[17:51:40] <greycat> I guess the answer is "you are not supposed to use gpg over ssh"
• 2395[17:52:04] <jelly> it kind of makes sense to keep secrets in a separate process, maaaybe?
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• 2400[17:52:53] <jelly> greycat, because using it over vnc over ssh is much better!
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• 2402[17:53:37] <greycat> Keep in mind that, if this program is used over a network (telnet), it
• 2403[17:53:37] <greycat> is *very* easy to spy out your passphrase!
• 2404[17:53:49] <greycat> ... seriously, who thinks anyone using gpg2 is using *telnet*
• 2405[17:53:55] * petn-randall remembers the good old times.
• 2406[17:54:14] <jelly> greycat, the authors seem to be stuck in time.
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• 2408[17:54:45] <jelly> it's not as if gnupg is a critical piece of infrastructure!
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• 2410[17:55:45] <jmcnaught> For what it's worth I just tried to "gpg -d foo.gpg" over ssh and the remote gpg-agent asked for my passphrase
• 2411[17:55:54] <jmcnaught> buster on both ends
• 2412[17:56:28] <jelly> that's nice.
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• 2415[17:56:53] <jelly> I do NOT forward agent, not even to my own machines.
• 2416[17:57:02] <blackflow> someone mentioned using telnet the other day in #ubuntu. never underestimate manpages from decades ago :)
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• 2418[17:57:19] <greycat> This man page says 2018-12-11 at the bottom.
• 2419[17:57:29] <jhutchins_wk1> Um, isn't Secure SHell encrypted by default? I thought that was the whole point.
• 2420[17:57:34] <zenpac> jelly: you think my kernel is affecting my cpu reporting?
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• 2423[17:58:16] <jmcnaught> I don't forward agent either
• 2424[17:58:17] <zenpac> I suppose the data is coming from /proc but maybe its a setting.
• 2425[17:58:17] <jhutchins_wk1> jelly: Copy the file, decrypt locally. (Ignore previous remark)
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• 2427[17:59:48] <jelly> zenpac, unlikely but there have been similar kernel bugs before
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• 2430[18:02:22] <jelly> zenpac, I probably missed some of your messages, did you run a busy-loop dd process and test if top said that one was also 0% CPU time?
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• 2450[18:17:57] <blackflow> welp, that was one very smooth upgrade of Stretch with root on ZFS on LUKS, to Busterino. Smooth, I say. wham bam, thank you ma'am, reboot, back to prod.
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• 2463[18:22:16] <jelly> sigh
• 2464[18:22:28] <jelly> W: GPG error: replaced-url
• 2465[18:22:28] <jelly> [18:22] ~ # faketime 2018-01-01 apt-get update
• 2466[18:23:04] <b17wise> Hi.. can I use a different init in Debian safely? Sysvinit or Busybox init? Or upgrades can break them?
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• 2469[18:23:29] <greycat> Party like it's 1514782800
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• 2471[18:24:14] <b17wise> I am not native english speaker, so pardon me
• 2472[18:24:16] <greycat> b17wise: sysvinit is the most likely to work
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• 2476[18:24:56] <jhutchins_wk1> b17wise: What's your actual goal?
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• 2479[18:25:48] <b17wise> jhutchins_wk1: I want to install Debian on my laptop with busybox init
• 2480[18:26:00] <greycat> wtf is "busybox init"
• 2481[18:26:21] <b17wise> greycat: Busybox init
• 2482[18:26:39] <jelly> b17wise, sysvinit ought to work. runit as well with some work.
• 2483[18:26:41] <dvs> heh
• 2484[18:27:00] <jhutchins_wk1> b17wise: What is your goal in not using the default systemd?
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• 2486[18:27:18] <JyZyXEL> im trying to get a list of all obsolete debian packages: aptitude search '?and(~o, ~ODebian)' but it prints nothing
• 2487[18:27:41] <jhutchins_wk1> JyZyXEL: Maybe you don't have any.
• 2488[18:27:47] <jelly> b17wise, some packages might have reduced functionality in absence of systemd as init
• 2489[18:28:00] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins_wk1: separately they both return big lists
• 2490[18:28:14] <jelly> !obsolete
• 2491[18:28:14] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
• 2492[18:28:15] <b17wise> jhutchins_wk1: Oh.. I dont like declarative init systems and job control design of systemd.
• 2493[18:28:25] <b17wise> BusyBox has a minimal initprogram that uses a configuration file, /etc/inittab, to define rules to start programs at boot up and to stop them at shutdown.  greycat
• 2494[18:28:27] <jelly> what was that other thing
• 2495[18:28:32] <jelly> !not available
• 2496[18:28:32] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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• 2498[18:28:37] <JyZyXEL> plain ~o returns all the non-debian packages as well
• 2499[18:28:38] <jelly> JyZyXEL, ^
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• 2503[18:28:53] <jelly> JyZyXEL, what are you actually trying to list?
• 2504[18:29:09] <sparky4> there is no sound pulse audio dose not see the sound card but alsa dose
• 2505[18:29:09] <JyZyXEL> the crap left over from stretch
• 2506[18:29:19] <greycat> I'm guessing he ANDed when he wanted to OR.
• 2507[18:29:20] <jelly> JyZyXEL, apt does not know where a package came from, once it's installed.
• 2508[18:29:42] <sparky4> i used to not have sound
• 2509[18:29:53] <sparky4> i used to have sound*
• 2510[18:29:58] <JyZyXEL> jelly: surely there is some origin field that could be used to identify packages from debians sources?
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• 2512[18:30:09] <jelly> JyZyXEL, so if it's ~o and the package does not exist any more in Debian repos, it will look exactly the same as a package that did not come from Debian at all
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• 2514[18:30:15] <b17wise> jelly: Ok.. so can I choose init during installation time?
• 2515[18:30:19] <JyZyXEL> ughhhh
• 2516[18:30:20] <greycat> b17wise: no.
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• 2519[18:30:24] <JyZyXEL> ill have to go trough the list by hand
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• 2523[18:30:32] <b17wise> Okey
• 2524[18:30:38] <jelly> JyZyXEL, apt does NOT save it at install time or track it some other way, for the time being
• 2525[18:30:50] <jelly> it could, but it doesn't
• 2526[18:30:51] <jhutchins_wk1> !alsa checklist
• 2527[18:30:52] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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• 2529[18:32:30] <sparky4> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav failed
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• 2531[18:33:26] <greycat> failed in what way?
• 2532[18:33:32] <sparky4> n othing came out
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• 2535[18:34:00] <sparky4> linux kernel sees the sound card but not pulse audio
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• 2537[18:34:20] <greycat> Obvious candidates are "speakers not plugged in", "speakers not turned on", "speakers plugged in the wrong place", "channels muted", "volume set to 0".
• 2538[18:34:33] <greycat> Most especially the muted thing.
• 2539[18:34:35] <sparky4> this is a laptop and everything is on max
• 2540[18:34:43] <sparky4> nothing is muted
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• 2542[18:35:22] <a0z> sparky4: have you tried pavucontrol?
• 2543[18:35:33] <sparky4> yes and it says dummy output
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• 2546[18:36:11] <sparky4> 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio (rev 21)
• 2547[18:36:15] <sparky4> is my sound card
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• 2550[18:37:08] <jhutchins_wk1> sparky4: What does it look like in alsamixer?
• 2551[18:37:57] <sparky4> it sees tomething
• 2552[18:38:07] <sparky4> let me take a screenit
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• 2559[18:39:58] <sparky4> replaced-url
• 2560[18:40:05] <sparky4> look
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• 2563[18:41:06] <sparky4> also how do i know i have a black list again?
• 2564[18:41:37] <greycat> blacklist applies to the kernel modules -- the fact that alsamixer shows the device at all, and aplay didn't bomb out with an error message, means the module is loaded
• 2565[18:41:53] <sparky4> true
• 2566[18:42:17] <sparky4> aplay plaied it but i heard nothing
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• 2570[18:43:03] <greycat> If pulse is interfering somehow, that's beyond my experience. I've never used pulse.
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• 2572[18:43:49] <sparky4> should i just uninstall it?
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• 2578[18:46:37] <jmcnaught> sparky4: do you have just a dummy output in pulseaudio?
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• 2582[18:47:37] <sparky4> yes
• 2583[18:47:57] <sparky4> and in configuration there is nothing
• 2584[18:48:03] <jmcnaught> !timidity pulseaudio
• 2585[18:48:04] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
• 2586[18:48:09] <jmcnaught> sparky4: ^ check that
• 2587[18:48:50] <sparky4> i removed pulse and it works! <3
• 2588[18:49:18] <greycat> Now the question is whether anything else breaks because of missing pulse.
• 2589[18:49:25] <sparky4> nope failed
• 2590[18:49:25] <greycat> (e.g. firefox)
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• 2592[18:49:32] <sparky4> firefox is broken
• 2593[18:49:39] <sparky4> aplay works now
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• 2595[18:49:54] <greycat> Upstream firefox removed ALSA support and only uses Pulse. I don't know the current state of Debian's firefox-esr builds.
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• 2598[18:51:06] <dob1> another piece for Poettering :)
• 2599[18:52:04] <sparky4> stopping tmidy
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• 2601[18:52:06] <humpled> there is a thing called pasuspender for temporarily stopping pulseaudio
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• 2603[18:52:21] <humpled> no need to rip it out :þ
• 2604[18:52:22] <sparky4> FIXED
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• 2606[18:52:25] <sparky4> HOLY MOLY
• 2607[18:52:30] <sparky4> THANK YOU GUYS <3
• 2608[18:52:39] <jmcnaught> It's not exactly PulseAudio's fault if a system service grabs the sound card before it has a chance to
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• 2610[18:53:10] <humpled> why is timidity even a service?
• 2611[18:53:49] <humpled> isn't it a midi sequencer?
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• 2620[18:56:56] <Tom-_> a lot of people use apuls efor firefox if they don't want to use pulseaudio
• 2621[18:56:58] <Tom-_> apulse
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• 2626[18:57:41] <Tom-_> humpled, i've used timidity as a service for Musescore or whatever, it's fun :)
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• 2632[18:58:24] <humpled> okay thanks
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• 2644[19:00:51] <jelly> Tom-_, boo timidity, yay fluidsynth
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• 2652[19:02:26] <jelly> humpled, it's a service because it runs as a service, providing something that looks like a MIDI sequencer hardware device to any user on the system
• 2653[19:03:18] <jelly> with pulseaudio and systemd it would probably be better if it ran as a per-user service.
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• 2655[19:03:48] <jelly> but the package is like 20 years old and has had this setup before pulseaudio _existed_
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• 2657[19:04:32] * jelly used it for Renpy-based games with midi audio
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• 2664[19:06:22] <sedrosken> I've never used fluidsynth before, will it use sf2 soundfonts?
• 2665[19:06:26] <sedrosken> just curious
• 2666[19:06:41] <jelly> yes.
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• 2668[19:06:49] <sedrosken> coolio
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• 2670[19:07:12] <jelly> (it's named after FluidR3 GM.SF2)
• 2671[19:07:42] <jelly> a bit better sound than timidity with everything enabled, but uses like 20x more CPU
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• 2673[19:08:17] <thisGuyEy> Hey all, I am trying to install the tor browser bundle on my laptop(as I have on my desktop) following replaced-url
• 2674[19:08:26] <jelly> if you have a modern cpu (less than 10 years old, maybe not a single-core Atom), it works well
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• 2676[19:09:20] <somiaj> thisGuyEy: torbrowser-launcher was removed from stretch-backports (unsure why). Right now in stretch/buster the only way to get tor is thrid party and install it in your $HOME, /opt, or /usr/local
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• 2681[19:10:22] <jhutchins_wk1> ,v torbrowser-launcher
• 2682[19:10:23] <judd> Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; sid/contrib: 0.3.1-2
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• 2685[19:10:41] <jhutchins_wk1> thisGuyEy: Do you have contrib enabled?
• 2686[19:10:49] <worthington> 238vjm S3xyL1nux 970vvx
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• 2691[19:11:27] <thisGuyEy> somiaj ahhh, I figured as much. jhutchins_wk1 yes, in the backports and the normal sources.list
• 2692[19:11:34] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk1: still don/t see how that will help, sicne the package is not in stretch-backports anymore
• 2693[19:11:47] <Tenkawa> I'm showing it in contrib/python
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• 2696[19:12:10] <Tenkawa> torbrowser-launcher package
• 2697[19:12:11] <worthington> 342deu S3xyL1nux the only legend just stepped in 285gie
• 2698[19:12:32] <somiaj> Tenkawa: apt policy that package, where are you getting it from, maybe you have it from before it was removed from stretch-backports
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• 2700[19:12:35] <jhutchins_wk1> somiaj: You were correct, I was just looking at what repo it was in, not the releases. Perhaps something else replaces it?
• 2701[19:12:43] <Tenkawa> just a sec
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• 2703[19:13:03] <somiaj> I don't know if the sid package would be considered safe, but from my limited observation, it seems that torbrowser is not avaialble for stretch or buster at the moment
• 2704[19:13:12] <thisGuyEy> somiaj I got it a long time ago, but if it is gone, I will find another way ;)
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• 2706[19:13:18] <somiaj> Maybe they will add it to buster-backports in the future, but I think some third party method is needed to install it right now.
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• 2708[19:13:33] <Tenkawa> ahh
• 2709[19:13:40] <Tenkawa> Version table: 0.3.1-2 unstable
• 2710[19:13:48] <somiaj> and I'm unsure the best way, but since all the launcher does is download the browser, can't you just manually download it to $HOME and run it?
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• 2712[19:13:56] <Tom-_> sedrosken, do sf2 soundfonts work with Sibelius? (proprietary non-free program)
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• 2715[19:14:06] <jhutchins_wk1> Theoretically it will move from bullseye(?) and be available for backports.
• 2716[19:14:12] <jhutchins_wk1> !ssb
• 2717[19:14:12] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 2718[19:14:16] <Tenkawa> I have some unstable sources that I use too
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• 2721[19:14:33] <somiaj> Tenkawa: I wouldn't mix unstable and buster anymore, this will lead to problems.
• 2722[19:14:45] <somiaj> (unstable/testing mixing is fine, but not unstable/stable)
• 2723[19:14:50] <thisGuyEy> somiaj not sure how it works, I know it downloads a gui that lets you download the browser bundle, so I guess the gui is not that much of work.
• 2724[19:14:52] <Tenkawa> i dont have buster enabled at all
• 2725[19:14:59] <Tenkawa> just checked
• 2726[19:15:21] <Tenkawa> all unstable
• 2727[19:15:25] <somiaj> Tenkawa: ahh, so you run sid? Anyways, this channel only supports stable, so support advise should be directed to stretch or buster users.
• 2728[19:15:27] <Tenkawa> just like I like it
• 2729[19:15:31] <Tenkawa> yes
• 2730[19:15:46] <thisGuyEy> But I should update the debian wiki, if making an account is not that much of a hassle(like some wikis).
• 2731[19:15:52] <somiaj> thisGuyEy: I think you just need to manually do what the luncher did, which is download the browser bundle to $HOME and run it.
• 2732[19:16:02] <Tenkawa> somiaj: and yes I do advise them of that...
• 2733[19:16:11] <Tom-_> well fluidsynth looks okay
• 2734[19:16:14] <somiaj> thisGuyEy: you have to email someone and wait for aproval, due to spam accounts automatic registration is down.
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• 2736[19:16:26] <Tenkawa> "my" output was just off
• 2737[19:16:31] <worthington> 786ggh can you catch this? 637aeu
• 2738[19:16:54] <thisGuyEy> I will download the gui stuff from my desktop, and I will try to remember checking my email for that wiki acount. Thanks.
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• 2743[19:18:02] *** somiaj sets mode: +b *!*@ngn1-ppp1931.fukuoka.sannet.ne.jp
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• 2747[19:18:10] <Tenkawa> what are these numbers
• 2748[19:18:16] <Tenkawa> ok it was spam
• 2749[19:18:22] <Tenkawa> thought so
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• 2751[19:18:41] <somiaj> Saw the same thing in a few other channels, so figured it aws some bot and isn't needed here
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• 2757[19:19:50] <Tenkawa> reminds me of the latest bs robocalls that plague the airwaves in the usa
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• 2803[19:50:18] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
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• 2806[19:50:50] <rocketmagnet> i've troubles with apt-get update, he want to install many packages that are already installed ...
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• 2809[19:51:25] <rocketmagnet> apt-get says the are hold back, but they are already installed, how can i solve this ?
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• 2811[19:52:17] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: can you put the full output on replaced-url
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• 2813[19:52:25] <rocketmagnet> from apt-get ?
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• 2816[19:52:44] <jmcnaught> yes
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• 2824[19:53:57] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
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• 2826[19:54:55] <jmcnaught> !localized errors
• 2827[19:54:56] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 2829[19:55:27] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: ^^ please do that for future pastes. What is the situation here, did you recently upgrade?
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• 2835[19:58:03] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: i did one update, and then suddenly apt-get forgot about all my installed packages and installed them again, now i tried a new update&&upgrade and he want to do the same again but this time the packages are hold back..
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• 2837[19:58:37] <sedrosken> ok, gonna need some help getting X going on a jaguar based laptop
• 2838[19:58:43] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: he remembers the packages but they are already installed
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• 2841[19:59:05] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: were you upgrading from stretch to buster for example? Can you make another paste of 'apt-cache policy' ?
• 2842[19:59:06] <sedrosken> firmware-amd-graphics is installed, but X complains about not being able to run in framebuffer mode
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• 2844[19:59:20] <magic_ninja> how do I set up a static network with terminal / text editor
• 2845[19:59:37] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 2846[19:59:40] <sedrosken> this is a fresh install, only packages installed since first boot are firmware-amd-graphics and firmware-b43-installer and its dependencies
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• 2848[20:00:21] <sedrosken> from what I gather, the console gets stuck in efifb mode and won't initialize either the amdgpu driver or the radeon driver and that's what X is upset about
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• 2850[20:00:49] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: in your /etc/apt/sources.list do you have lines for stretch, or lines for stable?
• 2851[20:01:11] <sedrosken> now, this is on an encrypted LVM setup and if I'm recalling correctly I think I fixed this on gentoo by baking my GPU firmware into my kernel -- please tell me I won't need to do that, that'll be a huge drag
• 2852[20:01:18] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 2856[20:01:59] <Cypriot> magic_ninja nano /etc/network/interfaces
• 2857[20:02:16] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: this is your problem, you have your sources.list pointed to 'stable' instead of 'stretch'. 'stable' just changed last week from 'stretch' to 'buster', so you now have a half-way upgraded to buster system.
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• 2860[20:02:33] <rocketmagnet> so what's the best way to solve this ?
• 2861[20:02:41] <rocketmagnet> change from stretch to stable ?
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• 2863[20:03:14] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: no you have already upgraded some packages to buster, you need to read the buster release notes and then complete the upgrade to buster: replaced-url
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• 2867[20:03:55] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: can't i just change strecht to stable ?
• 2868[20:04:00] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: to reiterate, never use 'stable' in sources.list, always use release codenames like 'stretch' or 'buster', or you will get surprise upgrades like this.
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• 2870[20:04:07] <karlpinc> sedrosken: I'm poking with a stick here, but you could install the linux-doc package and look at zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-*/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt.gz. Maybe there's a kernel parameter that can help. (Perhaps tell the kernel to stay in vga mode or something so that it waits -- supplying the parameter only to the initrd kernel??)
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• 2872[20:04:30] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: so stretch should be buster now ?!
• 2873[20:04:33] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: the problem is that you already *were* using 'stable' instead of 'stretch', now you have a system that is half stretch, half buster.
• 2874[20:04:41] <rocketmagnet> not good
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• 2876[20:04:51] <rocketmagnet> so i've to update to buster
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• 2880[20:05:00] <rocketmagnet> do i need a dist-update ?
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• 2882[20:05:50] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: whoever told you to use 'stable' in your sources.list did you a disservice. I recommend to read the release notes first, then finish the upgrade according to the instructions (hint: use apt for this upgrade instead of apt-get, and do it in a screen session)
• 2883[20:06:14] <karlpinc> rocketmagnet: You should read the buster release notes and see what's in the upgrade instructions. There's a section on "problems", and an overview of what you _should_ have done might be helpful.
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• 2885[20:06:42] <greycat> And make sure you put "buster" in the sources.list instead of "stable" to avoid problems in the future.
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• 2888[20:08:16] <sedrosken> ah right I may also need to enable early KMS for my video driver too
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• 2892[20:11:39] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: thanks for the help!
• 2893[20:11:45] <rocketmagnet> and karlpinc ty2
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• 2907[20:19:11] <acitripper> Hi
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• 2909[20:19:22] <acitripper> guys, just to ask how is buster working?
• 2910[20:19:30] <annadane> fine for me... *shrug*
• 2911[20:19:35] <acitripper> any important bug, thing to take into account
• 2912[20:19:42] <acitripper> before switching?
• 2913[20:19:51] <greycat> I've only done 2 desktop boxes. One had no issues, one had some minor issues I was able to fix.
• 2914[20:19:53] <annadane> read the release notes if you're upgrading from stretch
• 2915[20:19:54] <acitripper> and how do you feel with the new release
• 2916[20:20:08] <acitripper> will do a reinstall
• 2917[20:20:16] <acitripper> formating
• 2918[20:20:19] <acitripper> so no upgrade
• 2919[20:20:29] <acitripper> just to catch up your thoughts on it
• 2920[20:20:59] <karlpinc> acitripper: Is this a box that you installed prior to stretch and upgraded to stretch?
• 2921[20:21:11] <acitripper> it's slackware :P
• 2922[20:21:27] <acitripper> a t460 with 480gb ssd drive
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• 2925[20:21:46] <karlpinc> acitripper: Never mind then. The default network interface names changed starting with stretch. It can affect the buster upgrade.
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• 2927[20:22:26] <acitripper> karlpinc, yes i know. alias can be changed though
• 2928[20:22:41] <acitripper> for notebooks i prefer using firmware iso
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• 2930[20:22:43] <Tenkawa> slackware was my first distrib
• 2931[20:22:56] <acitripper> for having wlan firmwares
• 2932[20:23:01] <Tenkawa> i miss it some days
• 2933[20:23:06] <karlpinc> acitripper: Maybe read the "what new" part of the release notes, just to see...
• 2934[20:23:12] <acitripper> kinda silly thing, to install firmware without wlan :P
• 2935[20:23:34] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 2936[20:23:35] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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• 2938[20:23:55] <Tenkawa> even though its still around it just way behind
• 2939[20:23:55] <sedrosken> I think I may have just needed to call update-initramfs to bring in the firmware
• 2940[20:23:58] <acitripper> yes, found that has new kernel, new kde (i use it), and other changes... but most reviews refer to silly things. not mentioning system changes
• 2941[20:23:58] <sedrosken> we'll see if this worked
• 2942[20:23:58] <karlpinc> acitripper: It can be useful to have firmware available when installing.
• 2943[20:24:13] <Tenkawa> karlpinc: omg yes
• 2944[20:24:20] <acitripper> karlpinc, pretty useful!!
• 2945[20:24:27] <Tenkawa> that has bit me a few times
• 2946[20:24:35] <sedrosken> jeez I wish I had found those the first time
• 2947[20:24:50] <acitripper> it's a must if you ask me... but well we all know the affair debian has with RHS or FSF :P
• 2948[20:24:54] <acitripper> RMS*
• 2949[20:24:55] <Tenkawa> especially with these non-free blobs
• 2950[20:25:03] <sedrosken> yay! it works now!
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• 2952[20:25:51] <rocketmagnet> i did a apt-get dist-upgrade but he has troubles with linux-image-4.19.0-5-adm64
• 2953[20:25:56] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: ^
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• 2955[20:26:08] <Tenkawa> rocketmagnet: error?
• 2956[20:26:09] <karlpinc> acitripper: It's not so much FSF (note the separation of the GNU docs into non-free). I do appreciate having a clear line so I know when I cross it.
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• 2958[20:26:52] <greycat> The GFDL is one of the most surprising things I've ever seen.
• 2959[20:27:03] <Tenkawa> rocketmagnet: you have to provide him more details than just "has troubles"
• 2960[20:27:11] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: what is the full error?
• 2961[20:27:21] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 2962[20:27:36] <rocketmagnet> i've troubles with LC_ALL="C", it's not working
• 2963[20:27:53] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: well I can't read German
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• 2966[20:28:07] <rocketmagnet> got it, should i repaste in english ?
• 2967[20:28:14] <rocketmagnet> ok, sec
• 2968[20:28:17] <Tenkawa> I can somewhat
• 2969[20:28:34] <greycat> if "export LC_ALL=C" doesn't work, something's quite amiss
• 2970[20:29:01] <greycat> granted, it does require that you're using a Latin alphabet
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• 2972[20:29:16] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
• 2973[20:29:21] <sedrosken> okay so i disabled lightdm to troubleshoot X by doing a systemctl disable lightdm, trying to re-enable it this way fails because it's apparently not meant to be enabled that way?
• 2974[20:29:26] <Tenkawa> ahhh
• 2975[20:29:37] <sedrosken> but calling it by doing a systemctl start lightdm works
• 2976[20:29:48] <greycat> sedrosken: "systemctl enable" should cause it to start at boot time. "systemctl start" to make it go now.
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• 2978[20:30:02] <sedrosken> yeah, but enable fails while start works
• 2979[20:30:18] <greycat> How did it "fail"? It just marks the thing to start next time you reboot.
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• 2981[20:30:37] <sedrosken> the actual error says it has no installation config, apparently meaning it was "not meant to be enabled using systemctl"
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• 2984[20:31:00] <sedrosken> let me reboot the machine and see if it just did it while complaining about it
• 2985[20:31:16] <Tenkawa> rocketmagnet: did you apt-get update first?
• 2986[20:31:46] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: can you 'apt remove plymouth' then 'apt install linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64'?
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• 2988[20:32:16] <Tenkawa> jmcnaught: do you think the dependency could have changed?
• 2989[20:33:37] <jmcnaught> Tenkawa: line 16 of replaced-url
• 2990[20:33:55] <Tenkawa> yeah
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• 2992[20:34:21] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: it worked, thanks alot
• 2993[20:34:30] <Tenkawa> excellent
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• 2997[20:35:14] <sedrosken> you know what, now that I've got the procedure down, I'm just gonna do another reinstall to fix what I managed to screw up since it's a fresh install anyway -- then I'll pull the firmware for my GPU and wifi card while still hooked into ethernet and rebuild my initramfs like i did just now to get it going
• 2998[20:35:21] <sedrosken> it's another twenty minutes, no sweat
• 2999[20:35:24] <sedrosken> thanks guys
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• 3001[20:35:38] <rocketmagnet> when i've done dpkg --get-selections, how can i make dpkg install those packages ?
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• 3004[20:36:26] <rocketmagnet> dpkg --get-selections > tmp.txt
• 3005[20:36:26] * dpkg selects rocketmagnet's pr0n collection
• 3006[20:36:36] <rocketmagnet> hehe
• 3007[20:36:37] <blackflow> bwhahahaha
• 3008[20:36:47] <Tenkawa> wth
• 3009[20:36:58] <greycat> !debian clone
• 3010[20:36:59] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
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• 3017[20:40:47] <rocketmagnet> greycat: i get many lines like: dpkg: warning: package not in status nor available database at line 1241: libtbb2:amd64
• 3018[20:41:07] <greycat> well, that seems clear enough
• 3019[20:41:11] <greycat> ,b libtbb2
• 3020[20:41:13] <greycat> ,v libtbb2
• 3021[20:41:14] <judd> Package: libtbb2 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.2~20140122-5; stretch: 4.3~20150611-2; bullseye: 2018~U6-4; buster: 2018~U6-4; sid: 2019~U8-1
• 3022[20:41:37] <greycat> did you forget to use an actual buster sources.list and "apt update"?
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• 3024[20:43:03] <rocketmagnet> greycat: yes, i'm using only buster sources
• 3025[20:43:17] <rocketmagnet> and i did update
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• 3027[20:44:16] <greycat> then there should be a libtbb2 package in your available lists
• 3028[20:44:30] <greycat> unless there's an architecture mismatch -- amd64 vs. something else
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• 3030[20:45:46] <rocketmagnet> can the problem be that i did the --get-selection before i updates to busted instead of stable ?
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• 3032[20:46:21] <greycat> what does "apt-cache show libtbb2:amd64" say?
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• 3035[20:47:07] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
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• 3037[20:47:25] <greycat> Then it should work.
• 3038[20:47:36] <rocketmagnet> hmpf
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• 3051[20:55:06] <sparky4> i have another issue on my other computer
• 3052[20:55:23] <dvs> sorry, only one computer allowed. ;-)
• 3053[20:55:23] <sparky4> the nvidia legacy drivers 304xx is not found in the buster repository
• 3054[20:55:28] <sparky4> xD
• 3055[20:55:50] <greycat> add contrib and non-free to your sources, and apt update
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• 3058[20:56:04] <sparky4> i did
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• 3062[20:57:36] <sparky4> rit is just not there
• 3063[20:57:44] <sparky4> it is just not there*
• 3064[20:57:53] <jmcnaught> sparky4: the legacy 304xx drivers are not in buster
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• 3066[20:59:00] <dvs> but the 340 are
• 3067[20:59:12] <sparky4> i need 304
• 3068[20:59:40] <dvs> for what card?
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• 3070[20:59:59] <sparky4> nvidia Geforce 6200 FX
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• 3073[21:01:17] <sparky4> how can i down grade to stretch again?
• 3074[21:01:27] <Tenkawa> ,v xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx
• 3075[21:01:28] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 304.137-0~deb8u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 304.137-5~bpo9+1; stretch/non-free: 304.137-5~deb9u1; sid/non-free: 304.137-7
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• 3078[21:01:39] <sparky4> !
• 3079[21:01:45] <greycat> sparky4: maybe you should just continue booting the stretch *kernel* and leave the rest alone
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• 3081[21:02:00] <Tenkawa> thats as new as it gets
• 3082[21:02:32] <sparky4> i tried that
• 3083[21:02:43] <Tenkawa> bummer
• 3084[21:02:52] <sparky4> i installed the stretch version of the package
• 3085[21:03:04] <sparky4> on buster and it dose not work
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• 3089[21:05:17] <sparky4> how can i down grade to stretch again??
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• 3091[21:05:34] <jmcnaught> sparky4: you cannot downgrade, only reinstall. What about using nouveau?
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• 3093[21:06:21] <greycat> I'm very confused by "just boot the stretch kernel" "i tried that; i installed the stretch version of the package; on buster and it dose not work"
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• 3095[21:07:02] <greycat> To me it sounds like you tried something VERY different from just booting the same stretch kernel package that you were booting before the upgrade, which should still be there
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• 3101[21:08:32] <sparky4> i did boot to it
• 3102[21:08:38] <sparky4> it fails
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• 3116[21:16:57] <sparky4> i added stretch repository
• 3117[21:17:11] <sparky4> updated installed the old 304xx packages
• 3118[21:17:18] <sparky4> and tested and it failed
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• 3121[21:18:32] <MetalHeads2> Test
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• 3125[21:19:11] <karlpinc> sparky4: What happens if you switch to the free drivers?
• 3126[21:19:51] <karlpinc> sparky4: (If you rely on the proprietary drivers, eventually support stops.)
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• 3130[21:20:30] <sparky4> what is the package i use to switch over?
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• 3133[21:21:10] <sparky4> what is the name?
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• 3138[21:21:15] <annadane> update-alternatives --config glx
• 3139[21:21:23] <annadane> switch to "mesa-diverted", reboot
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• 3141[21:21:47] <annadane> that being said, nouveau is garbage, though no fault of their own
• 3142[21:21:47] <sparky4> ok
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• 3148[21:23:38] <Ede|Popede> what's their problem? nvidia being too cooperative?
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• 3152[21:24:38] <sparky4> no x
• 3153[21:24:41] <sparky4> no x11
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• 3162[21:27:57] <annadane> sparky4, be a little more specific?
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• 3164[21:28:38] <sparky4> i cannot start X11 because it is looking for the nvidia driver
• 3165[21:29:20] <karlpinc> annadane: There is backhistory above. He upgraded, the nvidia driver for his card is not available for the new kernel.
• 3166[21:29:41] <sparky4> she*
• 3167[21:30:20] <jmcnaught> sparky4: if you want to switch back to nouveau you should check for /etc/X11/xorg.conf and files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as well as look for a file that blacklists nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/
• 3168[21:30:30] <sparky4> okie
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• 3170[21:30:52] <jmcnaught> sparky4: if those files exist just move them somewhere safe for now
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• 3174[21:32:40] <annadane> i apologize, then
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• 3177[21:35:33] <sparky4> it's ok
• 3178[21:35:44] <sparky4> i will use the nvidia driver installer thingy
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• 3182[21:37:50] <Tenkawa> brb
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• 3184[21:38:14] <jmcnaught> sparky4: make sure you have the dkms package installed first, so the nvidia installer will integrate with it and you won't need to go through this again when there is a kernel ABI upgrade
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• 3209[22:03:40] <bionade24> How can I solve this? grub-install: error: relocation 0x4 not implemented yet
• 3210[22:04:39] <acitripper> post the line
• 3211[22:04:43] <acitripper> you'r running please
• 3212[22:05:03] <acitripper> seems that you'r not passing the correct parameters
• 3213[22:06:12] <bionade24> acitripper: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi ---efi-direcotry=/boot/efi --recheck
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• 3216[22:06:54] <bionade24> acitripper: It's a known Bug replaced-url
• 3217[22:07:06] <HeXiLeD> after upgrading to buster i get this error replaced-url
• 3218[22:07:09] <greycat> then maybe ask #grub
• 3219[22:07:21] <acitripper> have you patched it?
• 3220[22:08:07] <bionade24> acitripper: In a chroot environment I don't have any devtools yet, of course, so no.
• 3221[22:08:16] <bionade24> greycat: Will move to grub
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• 3223[22:09:19] <acitripper> bionade24, if it's a well know bug patch it
• 3224[22:09:22] <acitripper> an rebuild grub
• 3225[22:09:27] <acitripper> by your own
• 3226[22:09:41] <acitripper> HeXiLeD, first configure your locate
• 3227[22:09:59] <acitripper> second: run $apt --fix-broken install
• 3228[22:10:03] <acitripper> then retry
• 3229[22:10:05] <acitripper> and let me know
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• 3232[22:11:44] <HeXiLeD> locale -a shows that it is set.
• 3233[22:12:04] <greycat> locale -a shows you all the POSSIBLE locale settings, not the current one
• 3234[22:12:32] <acitripper> then check which are the gst installed packages
• 3235[22:12:39] <greycat> locale with no arguments shows you the current settings
• 3236[22:12:45] <acitripper> seems that it's installed, have you insralled something by hand?
• 3237[22:13:15] <HeXiLeD> not that io remember.
• 3238[22:14:12] <HeXiLeD> replaced-url
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• 3240[22:15:33] <acitripper> have you tried doing a purge?
• 3241[22:15:47] <noln> where is libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 version 1.10.4-dmo2 coming from? There is no such version in Buster
• 3242[22:15:58] <greycat> !dmo
• 3243[22:15:58] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 3244[22:16:06] <greycat> it's right there in the version string
• 3245[22:16:27] <acitripper> dpk -P gstreamer-bad or apt-get purge gstreamer*
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• 3247[22:16:31] <acitripper> dpkg*
• 3248[22:16:34] <noln> And the Buster version does not have the conflicting file that's causing the APT failure.
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• 3250[22:16:51] <acitripper> as i suspected there some mixed versions there
• 3251[22:16:54] <acitripper> cough
• 3252[22:17:27] <HeXiLeD> replaced-url
• 3253[22:17:46] <HeXiLeD> sorry empty link
• 3254[22:18:24] <HeXiLeD> replaced-url
• 3255[22:18:48] <noln> ah, so it's a differnet repo. What about this:
• 3256[22:18:50] <noln> !dmm remove
• 3257[22:18:50] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
• 3258[22:18:52] <acitripper> purge gstreamer*
• 3259[22:19:03] <bionade24> It really annoys that Debian takes so long for a simple patch
• 3260[22:19:11] <acitripper> my god... they love !
• 3261[22:19:24] <acitripper> !suck
• 3262[22:19:24] <dpkg> hmm... suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server
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• 3264[22:19:57] <acitripper> bionade24, do it at your own and commit it
• 3265[22:20:08] <acitripper> bionade24, i agree and i have discussed about before
• 3266[22:20:24] <bionade24> acitripper: I'll do it.
• 3267[22:20:34] <acitripper> like for spectre or systemd... at least this doesn't compromise security
• 3268[22:20:51] <HeXiLeD> problem remains replaced-url
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• 3270[22:20:54] <bionade24> acitripper: But makes it impossible to install
• 3271[22:21:07] <acitripper> you can build a package
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• 3273[22:22:21] <acitripper> try installing gstreamer versions that recommends there
• 3274[22:22:23] <bionade24> acitripper: But not every user can, they'll be helpless and use another Distro wich already has (Probably Fedora & Manjaro, Arch definately)
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• 3276[22:22:52] <somiaj> debian is a frozen system. Something like this might be in a point release fix though.
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• 3283[22:25:40] <HeXiLeD> not possible to install the packages
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• 3290[22:26:58] <HeXiLeD> which package contains libwebkit2gtk
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• 3294[22:27:44] <greycat> apt-cache search libwebkit2gtk
• 3295[22:27:48] <malade_mental> hi, i'm struggling with the nftable conversion of my server's iptable rules
• 3296[22:28:20] <malade_mental> I used the default way to convert the rules that were working flawlessly, and this doesn't work
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• 3299[22:29:28] <malade_mental> the idea is just to forward the port 8081 to a machine in the subnetwork, this machine has it's port open, and is listening on it, but when I nmap -sT the server, it doesn't show the port as open
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• 3303[22:32:44] <HeXiLeD> no solution. even trying to remove the packages manually works.
• 3304[22:32:51] * HeXiLeD takes a break from the problem
• 3305[22:34:19] <karlpinc> malade_mental: FWIW I always debug by specifying ports with telnet, and possibly tcpdump on both ends to be sure that what I think is happening is really happening.
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• 3308[22:35:15] <malade_mental> karlpinc: that's what I do with nc ;)
• 3309[22:35:54] <malade_mental> I just don't want to re-learn everything from scratch by reading the nftable manual!
• 3310[22:35:55] <karlpinc> malade_mental: If you want help with rules, you have to show the rules. (See the <paste> factoid.)
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• 3315[22:36:55] <karlpinc> malade_mental: nftable seems actually sane. (Nice to read, like ferm rules.) iptables was always painful.
• 3316[22:37:03] <malade_mental> that was my next message karlpinc replaced-url
• 3317[22:37:24] <malade_mental> (sorry for the dirty text file :/)
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• 3319[22:38:00] <malade_mental> (i'm not complaining about nftables at all 8° )
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• 3324[22:39:38] <malade_mental> (my only problem is with port 8080 (tproxy) that doesn't redirect to 192.168.42.10)
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• 3329[22:42:22] <NetTerminalGene> my debian want to "autoremove" these packages. how can i fix it? replaced-url
• 3330[22:42:27] <malade_mental> ok I think the iptable conversion to nftable is just not working with my conf
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• 3332[22:43:40] <malade_mental> it work now
• 3333[22:43:47] <malade_mental> when I start from scratch
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• 3335[22:45:48] <malade_mental> thanks anyway karlpinc you rock as timmy in south park
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• 3348[22:55:31] <blackflow> timmeh!
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• 3356[22:59:12] <bionade24> What should I do when there is a important bugfix in a package version which is only available on sid? Copy it from there or build it with stable deps?
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• 3358[22:59:19] <greycat> !ssb
• 3359[22:59:20] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 3363[23:00:44] <dob1> how can I setup env variables for user nobody ?
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• 3365[23:01:04] <greycat> dob1: what are you *actually* trying to do?
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• 3368[23:02:14] <greycat> There is no generalized mapping of user IDs to environment variables. Env vars are only created by processes that decide to create them. And "nobody" should not be logging in, so it should not be picking up env vars from login(1) or equivalent.
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• 3370[23:02:43] <greycat> In fact there should not BE any processes running as user "nobody" at all.
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• 3373[23:03:19] <greycat> wooledg:~$ ps -fu nobody
• 3374[23:03:19] <greycat> UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
• 3375[23:03:19] <dob1> greycat, on openvpn I have client-connect somescript (not bash) , so it execute this script when a client connect. openvpn runs on nobody user. the script fails because JAVA_HOME env is not set
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• 3377[23:03:39] <greycat> export JAVA_HOME inside your script.
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• 3380[23:04:02] <dob1> greycat, no, I can't. it doesn't run because JAVA_HOME is not set
• 3381[23:04:11] <dob1> it has to be set before the script run
• 3382[23:04:37] <greycat> You don't have permission to edit the script? Make a copy of it somewhere you CAN write to, and edit it there, and have client-connect run your modified copy instead of the original one.
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• 3384[23:05:22] <dob1> greycat, it's a groovy script. groovy is a scripting language but it can run only if java-home is set
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• 3386[23:05:41] <greycat> Well, have fun with whatever that is.
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• 3393[23:08:37] <NetTerminalGene> my debian want to "autoremove" these packages. how can i fix it? replaced-url
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• 3395[23:09:10] <NetTerminalGene> but i want to remove unnecesarry packages
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• 3401[23:12:48] <karlpinc> dob1: Write a wrapper script that sets the env var and runs your script.
• 3402[23:12:49] <frewsxcv> anyone happen to know why mysql-client isn't available in buster?
• 3403[23:13:06] <dob1> karlpinc, I did it, I wrote an sh script that initialize the variables
• 3404[23:13:13] <dob1> and launch my script
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• 3406[23:13:20] <dob1> but now it doesn't work for another reason :)
• 3407[23:13:36] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: it looks like you're missing some/all of the GNOME meta-packages and possibly others. Honestly I would just install the task-gnome-desktop package (if you want to use GNOME) and not worry about a few dozen megabytes used by packages you don't use.
• 3408[23:14:43] <karlpinc> dob1: (Probably want to "exec" your script.)
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• 3410[23:14:50] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: if you upgraded to buster then python3.5 is obsolete and can go, the qemu packages were probably pulled in by something you were using before, maybe gnome-boxes or virt-manager?
• 3411[23:15:00] <dob1> karlpinc, what you mean?
• 3412[23:15:15] <jmcnaught> frewsxcv: Debian switched from mysql to mariadb for stretch
• 3413[23:15:17] <somiaj> frewsxcv: debian uses mariadb, not mysql. In stretch they were transtiional packages, now in buster, just install maraidb packages
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• 3415[23:15:37] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, i just upgraded to buster
• 3416[23:16:33] <frewsxcv> somiaj jmcnaught: cool, thanks for the info!
• 3417[23:16:38] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: you probably at one point removed a package that removed the task-gnome-desktop package, and all these other gnome related packages that were installed automatically are no longer depended on by anything. Installing task-gnome-desktop is the simplest thing to do.
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• 3420[23:17:22] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, i scare to brick my system
• 3421[23:18:10] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, it looks like it is already installed
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• 3423[23:19:14] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: oh, if task-gnome-desktop is already installed than those GNOME related packages must be obsolete. You can check if "aptitude search '?obsolete'" lists them
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• 3425[23:19:28] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: obsolete just means that the package is no longer available in the repos
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• 3431[23:20:48] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: I didn't see any packages in your list that if removed would prevent booting. There's no 'linux' or 'grub' or 'systemd' or 'libc6' so I don't think you have much to worry about, worst case is you reinstall some stuff
• 3432[23:20:50] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, some are available in repos
• 3433[23:20:55] <dob1> I will take a look tomorrow :)
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• 3436[23:21:26] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: do you have recommends disabled?
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• 3438[23:21:53] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, i don't know
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• 3445[23:23:47] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: some look like transitional packages, like gnome-tweak-tool (see its description) which is replaced by gnome-tweaks
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• 3447[23:24:34] <NetTerminalGene> there is also gnome-themes-standard which is in repo
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• 3449[23:25:15] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: read gnome-themes-standard description, it says it's a transitional package that can be removed
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• 3453[23:26:33] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, there is also libreoofice and qemu. i installed qemu
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• 3455[23:26:54] <NetTerminalGene> and i think libreoffice is default gnome package
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• 3457[23:27:38] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: when I upgraded to buster it also removed some GNOME and libreoffice packages, but I still have GNOME and libreoffice. As long as task-gnome-desktop is installed you will still have a functional GNOME desktop
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• 3459[23:28:05] <NetTerminalGene> hmm...
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• 3461[23:28:47] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, you think i should do autoremove?
• 3462[23:29:08] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: yes I think it's safe, and if you find that something is missing afterwards then just install it then.
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• 3464[23:29:24] <karlpinc> "aptitude search '~o'" or "aptitude remove '~o'" (or purge) is the recommended thing to do to get rid of obsolete packages.
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• 3466[23:30:22] <karlpinc> It is always a little spooky to see things "go away", but the functionality always seems to stick around so....
• 3467[23:30:30] <jmcnaught> Not all of those are obsolete, some just are not depended on by the gnome meta-packages anymore like brasero
• 3468[23:30:48] <karlpinc> I haven't been reading the backhistory.
• 3469[23:30:57] <jmcnaught> And some are transitional packages
• 3470[23:31:02] <NetTerminalGene> anyways. thanks guys. gotta go
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• 3473[23:31:23] <vadear> Has anyone installed the latest linux-libre supplied by jxself? I did but uname -a tells me: 4.19.58-gnu #1.0 SMP Tue Sep 27 12:35:59 EST 1983 x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 3474[23:31:35] <vadear> Look at the date: Sept 27 1983
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• 3476[23:32:29] <vadear> The time on my laptop's BIOS and on GNU/Linux is the correct one. Fri July 12 2019
• 3477[23:33:14] <jhutchins_wk> That's the date the kernel thinks it was compiled.
• 3478[23:33:27] <jmcnaught> vadear: whoever built that kernel has some time travel problems, but it's not a Debian kernel.
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• 3480[23:33:29] <jhutchins_wk> Obviously oops - but not Debian.
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• 3519[23:50:18] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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• 3521[23:51:06] <dury> anyone started with buster?
• 3522[23:52:01] <annadane> yep
• 3523[23:52:28] <mujo> Do we *have* to use wayland?
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• 3525[23:52:41] <mujo> I just installed today and it's tricky to configure compared to xorg
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• 3530[23:53:19] <annadane> for gnome? i think there should be an option to switch to x11 in the dropdown menu
• 3531[23:53:26] <oiaohm> mujo: I would say no as I am using x.org and I have a graphics card that is Nvidia that does not like wayland at all.
• 3532[23:53:50] <oiaohm> may take some extra configuring to get there. Thinking I was using buster when it was in testing.
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• 3534[23:53:53] <mujo> I think I'll do that.
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• 3536[23:54:18] <oiaohm> I am looking at the new AMD graphics cards.
• 3537[23:54:55] <mujo> I have an AMD, it's working but my monitors are swapped the wrong way
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• 3539[23:55:09] <mujo> And I can't find the config to swap them, like xrandr --left-of
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• 3541[23:55:44] <dury> annadane, does it support nicely with nvidia geforce gt 650m
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