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0[00:00:01] <dvs> they did an upgrade to buster but it
didn't go well. ;-)
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8[00:03:29] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: termbin is actually quite
nice, I almost like it better
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9[00:03:31] <somiaj> !termbin
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10[00:03:31] <dpkg> i heard termbin is you can paste to
termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com
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13[00:04:48] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, but termbin doesn't
have a web interface where I can paste things into it.
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14[00:05:57] <somiaj> yea, so just pipe the command to netcat
as stated there. (:
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15[00:05:58] <EdePopede> you just need netcat and a shell ;)
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16[00:06:40] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, sometimes I like to edit the
output before sending.
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17[00:06:58] <EdePopede> you can. save it to a file and there
you go
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18[00:07:20] <Lady_Aleena> Too much work. I'll use Gist
for now.
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19[00:07:43] <wr> Lady_Aleena,
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24[00:09:02] <Lady_Aleena> Guys, I can wait for
paste.debian.net to come back. I just thought some might like to
know that it was down.
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33[00:16:59] <Tom-_> I can't use growisofs to write a CD?
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35[00:17:06] <Tom-_> !growisofs
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36[00:17:06] <dpkg> growisofs is a program for burning DVD
images, it can also create a data DVD on-the-fly. Packaged for
Debian in dvd+rw-tools.
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37[00:17:13] <Tom-_> !cdrkit
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38[00:17:13] <dpkg> cdrkit is a fork of <cdrtools>
developed by the Debian Project, introduced at Debian 4.0
"Etch". Documentation is packaged as cdrkit-doc, see
/usr/share/doc/cdrkit-doc/WHY. See also <genisoimage>,
<wodim>.
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39[00:17:26] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, there's dpaste.com if
you like
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41[00:18:48] <cronolio> hey debian, i use bullseye here and i
have this
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47[00:21:59] <cronolio> ah u know
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51[00:23:23] <Muyfret> what is this debian-archive-keyring
update about?
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52[00:23:36] <Muyfret> i don't see it listed in the debian
security update list
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54[00:24:14] <Lady_Aleena> Tom-_, I said I can use Gist until
paste.debian.net is back. 8)
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55[00:24:28] <Tom-_> yeah but i didn't read it because
work and effort
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56[00:24:34] <Lady_Aleena> Ok
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57[00:24:52] <Tom-_> not really a good reason honestly :)
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61[00:26:52] <Tom-_> is wodim foobar.iso supposed to work?
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62[00:27:10] <Tom-_> my .iso file mounts with -oloop fine, but
the CD I made I think is a coaster
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64[00:27:39] <somiaj> I think you have to tell wodim what
device to write it to
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65[00:27:49] <somiaj> wodim -scanbus should give you the
devices if I recall correctly
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66[00:27:52] <Tom-_> it must have gotten the write device
because it wrote to the CD
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68[00:28:00] <Tom-_> the right write device ;)
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69[00:28:14] <Tom-_> okay but thank you for answering the
quesiton
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71[00:28:36] <Tom-_> the CD says "data" when I use
file -s /dev/sr0
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73[00:28:54] <LtL> Muyfret: that package is for
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87[00:33:18] <edarfoc> hi guys
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88[00:33:37] <edarfoc> GNOME Software landing page is kind of
empty here (Buster)
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89[00:33:49] <edarfoc> anyone else noticed that?
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124[00:48:10] <Tom-_> okay so wodim speed=8 -data foo.iso
didn't help, still can't recognise the filesystem
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126[00:48:58] <Tom-_> anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
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127[00:49:49] <donuthole> I just upgraded from stretch to buster
and now pulseaudio thinks the only sound hardware I have is
"Dummy Output". Hence, no audio output. How do I diagnose
and fix this?
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128[00:49:50] <somiaj> I still don't see you specifcying
what device to write too
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129[00:50:10] <donuthole> "lspci | grep -i audio"
gives....
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130[00:50:11] <somiaj> donuthole: cat /proc/asound/cards (does
alsa still see all your cards correctly)?
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131[00:50:17] <donuthole> 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel
Corporation 200 Series PCH HD Audio
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133[00:50:40] <donuthole> somiaj, looks like it.
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134[00:50:51] <donuthole> 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
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135[00:50:51] <donuthole> HDA Intel PCH at 0xdf440000 irq 164
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136[00:51:02] <somiaj> okay so aklsa see's your intel card
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138[00:51:16] <donuthole> (aplay -l sees it too)
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140[00:51:33] <somiaj> it could be some other application has
run before pulseaudio and has grabbed your soundcard and made it so
pulseaudio cannot open it.
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141[00:52:03] <donuthole> According to fuser, nobody has
/dev/dsp open
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143[00:52:16] <donuthole> Is there a different device I should
check?
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144[00:52:33] <somiaj> maybe use lsof | grep /dev/snd (or
something similar) to see what process has the sound card opened
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145[00:52:53] <somiaj> I think /dev/dsp is the old oss, not alsa
devices, it is /dev/snd/something
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146[00:53:24] <donuthole> Hmm, timidity, wtf is timidity.
Let's try purging it.
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147[00:53:31] <Tom-_> somiaj, it's definitely writing to a
device
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148[00:53:55] <somiaj> Tom-_: hmm, guess it defaults to one
nicely now -- I haven't burned a cd in 10 years or so)
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149[00:54:02] <impermanence> where is the ca cert bundle in
jessie?
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151[00:54:05] <donuthole> Aha, that fixed it.
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152[00:54:10] <impermanence> I have literally 0 deb exp
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153[00:54:12] <donuthole> somiaj, thank you!
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154[00:54:18] <Tom-_> it says "Dtected CD-R drive:
/dev/sr0" and it writes the device like you might expect. the
only question I have is if I can write a .iso file with no extra
command line options with wodim
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155[00:54:25] <somiaj> donuthole: did you find the process that
has your sound card open?
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156[00:54:29] <Tom-_> i've never really used wodim before,
only cdrecord and growisofs
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157[00:54:42] <somiaj> Tom-_: wodim is cdrecrod
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158[00:54:56] <somiaj> it was renammed many years back
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159[00:55:07] <Tom-_> yeah, so, same command line options i
guess then
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161[00:55:37] <donuthole> somiaj, yes, it was timidity. I just
uninstalled it.
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163[00:56:36] <dvs> Oh, is this another timidity-daemon problem
hogging the sound card?
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164[00:56:37] <somiaj> yea, timidity was my guess on the
culprit, it has a server that likes to grab the sound card early
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165[00:57:02] <somiaj> I thought they fixed this whole issue
during testing, it is a bit old now, but I guess their fix
wasn't good enough and only got some situations
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166[00:57:23] <donuthole> dvs, according to lsof the process
name was timidity,
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167[00:57:40] <somiaj> ,v timidity-daemon
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168[00:57:41] <judd> Package: timidity-daemon on amd64 --
jessie: 2.13.2-40.2; stretch: 2.13.2-40.5; bullseye: 2.14.0-8;
buster: 2.14.0-8; sid: 2.14.0-8
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170[00:58:06] <somiaj> donuthole: timidity-daemon is the package
that caused the problem, you can have timidity installed without the
daemon fwiw.
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171[00:58:15] <donuthole> ah, ok
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172[00:58:48] <donuthole> anyway, thanks again
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190[01:13:47] <wr> jmcnaught, did a debian 10 install of live
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332[03:00:05] <jml2> Sauvin, you're gunna have to ban me
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333[03:00:10] <jml2> Sauvin, little man. :)
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334[03:00:26] <jml2> Sauvin, you're a big guy.
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382[03:43:48] <mason> !ops
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383[03:43:48] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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385[03:44:14] <mason> dpkg: ops ^
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386[03:44:14] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
mason complains about a problem (see above)
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392[03:52:19] <annadane> i mean it was 40 minutes ago
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396[03:53:03] <somiaj> they also left right after, so I
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403[03:56:47] <sa-ghosts> is there a way to disable a systemd
service from the grub menu ?
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404[03:56:57] <sa-ghosts> because it seems as debian starts and
enable services before the first boot/live boot
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405[03:56:57] <sa-ghosts> opposite to what every other distro
does which is enable systemd services after the first boot
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415[04:10:10] <agris> What package provides the lxc-top utility?
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422[04:13:38] <jmcnaught> sa-ghosts: I don't see a way to
disable specific services from the kernel command line with systemd.
Is it just one service that you want disabled?
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423[04:14:09] <sa-ghosts> yup, only the backlight@leds
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424[04:14:22] <sa-ghosts> can't boot to the system with it
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427[04:15:44] <jmcnaught> sa-ghosts: what about booting into
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428[04:15:48] <sa-ghosts> I've tried adding the parameter
"systemd.restore_state=0" which works in other distros but
it doesn't seems to work
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429[04:16:43] <sa-ghosts> I've tried that, but can't
do it debian always tries to start the serves before booting
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430[04:17:50] <jmcnaught> sa-ghosts: there's a rescue mode
that you can boot into with installer image (not the live) that can
give you a shell in a chroot of the target system
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432[04:18:58] <jmcnaught> agris: that file is not in any Debian
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433[04:19:12] <sa-ghosts> I will see about it, thank you
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434[04:19:13] <agris> jmcnaught, is there an alternative?
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438[04:21:12] <agris> also, If I'm using LXC2 on Devuan
ASCII, is root inside a container the same as root on the
hypervisor?
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439[04:21:45] <jmcnaught> sounds like a question for #devuan
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442[04:24:08] <agris> Is it?
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444[04:24:24] <jmcnaught> !devuan
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445[04:24:24] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
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450[04:30:55] <agris> then pretend I asked for whatever the
debian equiv release is
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463[04:39:19] <jcb2016> anyone else still on 9.9?
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465[04:39:31] <dvs> blasphemy!
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466[04:39:41] <jcb2016> lol
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467[04:40:01] <jcb2016> im nervous i've never done a
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470[04:41:09] <dvs> jcb2016, Not much different than a regular
upgrade
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471[04:41:26] <jcb2016> don't i have to change my
sources.list to buster or something
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472[04:41:32] <jcb2016> im currently reading the release notes
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474[04:41:50] <dvs> jcb2016, Read chapter four of the release
notes
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476[04:43:16] <jcb2016> ok
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477[04:43:58] <cybercrypto> jcb2016: no need to be afraid. I did
the process according to the docs, and upgrade went well.
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479[04:44:54] <cybercrypto> jcb2016: just follow the proceedure,
take your bakpup first (this is good to have as usual) and go for it
:-)
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480[04:45:17] <jcb2016> i don't have anything important on
this computer. nothing that isn't on a flash drive
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486[04:46:29] <annadane> if you screw it up, the monsters under
your bed come out and eat you
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513[04:53:45] <agris> every time I try to start a container I
get lxc-start: cgroups/cgfsng.c: create_path_for_hierarchy: 1306
Path "/sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset//lxc/voip" already existed.
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518[04:55:43] <asrockb450> I am trying to install debian on a
brand new ryzen 3600 + b450 + nvme system in uefi mode.
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519[04:56:06] <dvs> well that's too new
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520[04:56:31] <asrockb450> I am getting the can not detect cdrom
error. there is no /dev/sd*
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521[04:56:50] <annadane> agris, if you're on devuan at
least make sure to include that in your question
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522[04:56:50] <dvs> no /dev/sr* either?
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523[04:57:14] <agris> annadane, ?
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524[04:57:20] <asrockb450> I have attempted to install in bios
mode and have successfully done so yet I am not able to boot off the
nvme
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526[04:57:49] <asrockb450> dvs: no
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527[04:57:51] <annadane> you're on devuan yet you're
continuing to ask questions here, it may be general enough so people
in #debian can answer it but in that case you should at least say
"this is on devuan"
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528[04:58:20] <annadane> but whatever, you do you
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530[04:58:45] <asrockb450> I am not on devuan. I am attempting
to install debian 10
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531[04:58:53] <Chex> asrockb450: if its any consolation I tried
to instal buster on my 2400G a month ago, and it was nothing but
fail
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532[04:59:07] <annadane> asrockb450, wasn't responding to
you
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533[04:59:50] <asrockb450> Chex: damn why did I buy amd then
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535[05:00:08] <Chex> and then I tried pulling in unstable
apt-sources and installing the updated amd-firmware, and that sorta
worked, but had tons of issues with a system straddling stable and
unstable
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536[05:00:26] <Chex> so I borked it and installed Ubuntu 19.04..
problem solved
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537[05:00:36] <asrockb450> should I try to netinstall a nightly?
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538[05:00:56] <asrockb450> I want to turn this into a headless
server. ideally using something like proxmox
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539[05:01:10] <Chex> asrockb450: just run a newer distro with
better support for new hardware
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540[05:01:28] <asrockb450> like arch?
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541[05:01:33] <Chex> yeah?
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542[05:01:37] <Chex> or ubuntu? mint?
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543[05:01:56] <Chex> gentoo, if you like to emerge world
>.<
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544[05:02:07] <jmcnaught> Chex: why are you steering people away
from Debian in #debian?
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545[05:02:24] <asrockb450> Ok what do you recommend instead of
proxmox for VM management?
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547[05:02:29] <Chex> jmcnaught: because he cant get his new AMD
system working in #debian, and I couldnt either
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548[05:02:33] <jmcnaught> asrockb450: are you using an installer
image on USB stick? Was it copied to the device or to a partition?
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549[05:02:33] <sa-ghosts> <jmcnaught>, I was able to boot
into the system and disable what I wanted, thank you!
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550[05:02:36] <Chex> just sharing my expereince
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551[05:02:56] <asrockb450> jmcnaught: usb stick. I used dd and
gnome disks
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552[05:03:31] <asrockb450> its okay I have used debian for 20
years and arch for 5 years. he isn't steering me away.
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554[05:04:29] <jmcnaught> asrockb450: if you copied the
installer image to /dev/sdx1 instead of /dev/sdx it could be why
cannot detect the cdrom
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555[05:04:33] <asrockb450> I can install using bios mode. I just
can't make it bootable. which makes me thing recovery mode
should be able to install efibootmgr
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557[05:04:54] <asrockb450> jmcnaught: I did /dev/sdc
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558[05:04:59] <jmcnaught> Are you installing buster?
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559[05:05:04] <asrockb450> Yes
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560[05:05:38] <asrockb450> this can not detect cdrom error is
very common. can find a lot of results on google. all the proposed
fixes do not help in my case.
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563[05:06:12] <asrockb450> as once booted in uefi mode it can
not even detect any /dev/sdx devices
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567[05:08:50] <jmcnaught> asrockb450: one thing you might try is
using the new calamares installer that's on live images.
There's a note about it in the releases notes:
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569[05:09:31] <asrockb450> I don't think this is an
installer issue
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570[05:09:53] <asrockb450> I can not even find the usb device
from the terminal
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572[05:10:33] <asrockb450> going to the test the latest nightly
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573[05:12:52] <mns> right good night folks
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575[05:13:44] <dvs> o/
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576[05:13:45] <annadane> it would be nice if people could sort
of, load a kernel from upstream into the installer so one can
install debian on ulta new computers
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577[05:14:00] <annadane> no idea if that's how it works
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579[05:14:36] <annadane> s/ulta/ultra
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582[05:15:03] <asrockb450> debian 10 is just as new as ryzen
3000
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583[05:15:44] <asrockb450> people here think it is a cpu support
issue and not a motherboard issue?
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584[05:16:04] <dvs> or a chipset issue
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585[05:16:50] <asrockb450> I attempted to installl ubuntu server
19.4 and it has the same cdrom can't be detected error
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586[05:17:21] <asrockb450> it is actually attempting to mount
the nvme as cdrom in an endless loop during boot
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591[05:19:05] <danielboston26_> Test
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592[05:19:22] <dvs> !test
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593[05:19:22] <dpkg> Test failed.
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594[05:21:14] <danielboston26_> Why cant i identify with
nickserv?
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597[05:24:15] <danielboston26_> Test
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598[05:24:35] <danielboston26_> Why is it putting a underscore
next to my name?
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603[05:26:50] <annadane> which one?
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604[05:29:00] <asrockb450> I have tested debian 9, 10, ubuntu
19.4
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605[05:29:08] <asrockb450> all fail in uefi mode
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607[05:29:32] <asrockb450> I want to kill amd or whoever is
responsible
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608[05:29:47] <asrockb450> I never wasted so much time in over
10 years
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609[05:30:20] <asrockb450> I have also tested debian nightly
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616[05:33:18] <ni291187> testing
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617[05:33:27] <ni291187> grrrr!!
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620[05:34:18] <asrockb450> going to test 9.0 non free
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622[05:34:36] <asrockb450> I am going to kill someone if I am
stuck with hyper v
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626[05:39:07] <asrockb450> why doesn't debian put the non
free iso on mirrors? I have never had something download so slow
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628[05:39:39] <asrockb450> I downloaded ubuntu 19.4 in 10
seconds
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630[05:41:06] <rwp> asrockb450, Because non-free is not
officially part of Debian.
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631[05:41:30] <asrockb450> even the old images are not on
mirrors. at least use a cdn
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632[05:42:53] <rwp> Isn't it available by bittorrent too? I
thought it was...
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633[05:44:56] <asrockb450> same issue with 9 non free
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634[05:45:01] <asrockb450> I am doomed
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635[05:45:15] <asrockb450> going to try arch
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636[05:45:48] <annadane> btw
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637[05:45:56] <rwp> Looked and found these:
replaced-url
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638[05:46:16] <rwp> Which I don't know if there are active
seeds right now but should be fast downloads anyway.
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639[05:46:33] <rwp> asrockb450, What is your issue that you are
having?
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640[05:47:15] <asrockb450> can not detect cdrom error when in
uefi mode
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642[05:47:44] <asrockb450> were you in the channel when I
joined?
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645[05:48:21] <somiaj> has it been asked how you are copying the
.iso to the usb drive?
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646[05:48:43] <rwp> I only had so much scrollback. But I went
back to my other server which has more and read from where you
started.
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647[05:49:58] <asrockb450> yes I am using dd
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648[05:50:05] <asrockb450> it isn't a usb issue
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649[05:50:14] <asrockb450> I don't have any /dev/s devices
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651[05:51:00] <rwp> I have had that same problem you are
describing now before too. It is always frustrating. And always
feels wrong since obviously the boot media was there. If it can boot
why can't it interface with it later?
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653[05:51:15] <asrockb450> booting in bios mode works fine. it
just does not create a bootable nvme install
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662[06:02:07] <asrockb450> what distro has linux 5.2 in its
installer right now?
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663[06:02:10] <asrockb450> arch is 5.1
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667[06:09:29] <asrockb450>
replaced-url
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668[06:09:32] <asrockb450> fml
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669[06:09:58] <asrockb450> where do I download hyper v from?
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705[06:41:36] <asrockb450> should have purchased intel
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729[06:57:43] <asrockb450> tested archbang that is on 5.1 got a
different error message "device is not accepting
address..."
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730[06:57:56] <asrockb450> definitely a kernel issue
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731[06:58:19] <asrockb450> writing hyper v to usb fml
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732[06:59:02] <rwp> Is there any livecd you can boot from? If so
then you could do a debootstrap installation.
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733[06:59:28] <asrockb450> I can not find any that uses kernel
5.2
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734[06:59:52] <asrockb450> from what I understand I need at
least 5.2 or maybe later to even have a chance of this working
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736[07:00:13] <asrockb450> rwp:
replaced-url
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737[07:00:19] <rwp> Very new hardware always has the risk that
you will be the trail blazer.
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740[07:01:46] <rwp> That reference also blames systemd and
rdrand too. I remember that systemd bug...
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741[07:02:08] <rwp> You might need to build your own live boot
system either without systemd or with an updated fix.
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742[07:02:48] <asrockb450> already starting hyper v install
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743[07:03:55] <asrockb450> OMFG
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744[07:04:06] <asrockb450> hyper v has the same cdrom error
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745[07:04:40] <asrockb450> "a media driver your computer
needs is missing"
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746[07:05:05] <rwp> I'll just brainstorm some ideas and
maybe it will trigger an idea on your end.
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747[07:05:18] <rwp> How about a USB cdrom?
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748[07:05:50] <rwp> Or an SDcard in a USB adapter.
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749[07:06:27] <asrockb450> how can I be the only one with this
issue
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750[07:06:32] <rwp> Or (lots more work) a PXE network boot?
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752[07:06:47] <asrockb450> the internet should be exploding if
people are having trouble installing windows
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753[07:06:53] <asrockb450> maybe I need to RMA?
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754[07:07:04] <rwp> Well... I always stay with N-2 generations
back. Old hardware is known hardware.
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755[07:07:51] <rwp> And a client friend decided to buy something
new but he bought the Lenovo with Mint pre-installed.
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757[07:11:14] <asrockb450> why is there no legacy bios mode on
this motherboard
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758[07:11:23] <asrockb450> is that freaking normal?!@
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765[07:18:34] <asrockb450>
replaced-url
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766[07:19:54] <asrockb450> maybe its a bios issue from asrock.
but how are there not a ton more people complaining of issues
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767[07:20:02] <asrockb450> can't even install
windows!!!!!!!!
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769[07:22:12] <darxmurf> morning
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770[07:22:31] <asrockb450> darxmurf: death to amd
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771[07:22:52] <darxmurf> amen
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773[07:24:10] <earend1> damn uefi crap
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774[07:25:01] <asrockb450> why the hell is there no legacy mode
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775[07:25:11] <asrockb450> can someone explain this to me?!
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783[07:28:38] <darxmurf> because we are not in 1990 anymore
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784[07:28:52] <earend1> there potentially is legacy mode. you
have to set which compontent to run under which mode with what
driver first .. reboot a hundred times.. then it works.. then find
out some crap firmware overwrites early boot components .. i mean. i
don't know. it's nice to look at. you can use your mouse.
i just hardly get how it supposed to work..
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785[07:29:11] <earend1> oh. no legacy mode? KITT?
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786[07:29:29] <darxmurf> what's the problem with uefi ?
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787[07:29:42] <earend1> what is a uefi shell? .. and where can i
find some?
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788[07:30:00] <earend1> darxmurf: what's the good thing
about uefi?
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790[07:30:02] <asrockb450>
replaced-url
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791[07:30:36] <asrockb450> dragonflybsd is getting downloaded as
we speak
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792[07:30:52] <asrockb450> fricken windows can't install
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793[07:31:05] <earend1> secure boot?
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795[07:32:43] <asrockb450> I am not that stupid. it isn't a
secure boot error
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796[07:32:55] <asrockb450> its not addressing USB properly
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797[07:32:59] <asrockb450> in uefi mode
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799[07:33:15] <asrockb450> there is only usb bios mode
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800[07:33:29] <earend1> there are like.. a 99 tutorials on the
net wich describe how to disable it. it's supposed .. i guess..
to verfify firmware signatures and blah.. basically a good thing
(for when u want uefi to be good for sth)
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801[07:33:49] <asrockb450> may I will try to recover the bios
mode install and install efibootmgr
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802[07:33:49] <earend1> is it some older stick?
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803[07:34:02] <earend1> is it gpt formatted?
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804[07:34:03] <asrockb450> scroll to the beginning
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805[07:34:08] <earend1> oook
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806[07:34:20] <asrockb450> I am using b450 + ryzen 3600 + nvme
4k
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807[07:34:39] <asrockb450> too much new stuff combined together
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810[07:35:52] <earend1> maybe u should launch a uefi shell from
the usb stick ..xd
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811[07:36:40] <earend1> lol .. i know i once got into such
shell. but never again since. i bet it's good for soemthing one
day.
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813[07:40:08] <earend1> here u go with uefi. have you tried that
trick debian installations do? somehow copy the efi drivers
somewhere to make it like ..mostly work.
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815[07:40:49] <rwp> asrockb450, You might have different luck
asking in the official #debian channel on OFTC instead of here on
this the unofficial freenode channel.
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820[07:42:51] <earend1> remember the sirius corp's service
team stretched over several planets and was the only division making
a surplus ..lol.
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821[07:43:13] <earend1> hitchhikers gude.
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829[07:49:14] <asrockb450> rwp: will try tomorrow thx
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831[07:49:39] <asrockb450> I may install on another device and
then move the hard drive to see if it will boot
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833[07:49:54] <rwp> That sounds possible. Good luck!
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837[07:53:31] <asrockb450> this guy got debian to install. wtf
is wrong with my setup?!
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853[08:06:44] <Ha0hmaru> hm, i'm booting the debian10, and
during systemd it kinda stopped for some time, then it spit out
"rcu_preempt self-detected stall on CPU"
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854[08:07:50] <Ha0hmaru> jiffies miffies, failed to start avahi,
failed to start WPA, failed to start disk manager, blahblah
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855[08:08:18] <Ha0hmaru> "task systemd:1 blocked for more
than 120 seconds."
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856[08:09:14] <Ha0hmaru> maybe.. i should try the normal
(non-realtime) kernel?
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858[08:11:25] <rwp> Did you just switch to a realtime kernel?
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860[08:14:29] <darxmurf> asrockb450: no bios upgrades available
?
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861[08:14:55] <Ha0hmaru> rwp, no, i was using the realtime
kernel from before the upgrade
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862[08:15:30] <Ha0hmaru> i also use it on my other debian
machines (they are not upgraded to 10 yet)
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863[08:15:56] <earend1> rwp: thanks for the hint. shouldn't
the chan be prefixed with a double-hash --> ##debian via freenode
policy?
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865[08:17:34] <Ha0hmaru> shhh, it's a secret, staff
don't know bout this
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867[08:18:48] <rwp> This isn't that non-project. It's
useful. It's just that Debian decided to make OFTC their
official channel some time ago.
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876[08:23:44] <earend1> i see. thanks.
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894[08:29:08] <Ha0hmaru> oh wow, rotating the display via an
xorg conf is does the job even in the login manager
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900[08:36:14] <Novell> Hi! How do I get
apt-setup/local0/repository="replaced-url
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920[08:46:19] <inch> Novell:
replaced-url
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922[08:46:52] <inch> Hmm, I assumed you use local0/key too.
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924[08:46:59] <Novell> inch: I don't think that workaround
works..
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925[08:47:01] <Novell> inch: yeah
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926[08:47:15] <Novell> I even tried adding the option to ignore
unsigned
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927[08:47:37] <Novell> or that might work.. if there is a
variable like $selected_pakages
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928[08:47:43] <Novell> which can be used with apt-get
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936[08:50:38] <Novell> so is there a real solution to the
problem or only a non-working work-around?
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937[08:50:48] <Novell> or am I stuck with Debian 9?
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938[08:51:09] <humpled> what is Novell?
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939[08:51:42] <Novell> humpled: "How do I get
apt-setup/local0/repository="replaced-url
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940[08:51:54] <zamuro> You're not "stuck" to a
distro. You can always use another one.
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941[08:52:42] <Novell> zamuro: .. except for all the
dependencies, existing build environment, infrastructure etc...
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942[08:53:09] <Novell> so it's not just switching to some
other distro in my case
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944[08:54:57] <centrix> Do I have to install postfix on Jessie
in order to relay mail. I not a debian guy. Just learning basics of
this distro.
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947[08:57:54] <inch> I don't know what is The Correct way
of doing these preseed things, but I have a pxelinux.cfg/menu with a
couple of choices. Each choice has preseed url pointing at a cgi
script with some parameters.
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948[08:58:39] <inch> Then the script will will read a preseed
file, change some values if needed and returns it to installer.
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950[08:59:28] <inch> So far I have had no need to alter the
installer files at all, just the preseed and my own packages in my
own repo.
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962[09:15:38] <dob1> hi, I think I got it but I ask to confirm.
using easy-rsa, make-cadir now, in booster, it doesn't create
links to the various scripts you need to manage certificates for the
vpn but you have a single executable easyrsa that can be invoked
with the command you need, right ? like ./easyrsa build-ca
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963[09:16:03] <Novell> inch: so I need a preseed file for each
n^(n-1) available choice during package selection to work around the
missing ability to add my own repo?
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965[09:17:28] <inch> The workaround in the bug report (do
everything about your own repo in late-command) works for me.
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968[09:17:44] <inch> But that doesn't mean it works for
everyone.
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969[09:17:47] <Novell> inch: but how do I install packages in
late-command based on package selection?
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971[09:18:11] <inch> I do it by editing the preseed in the cgi
script so that the preseed will have the selected packages.
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973[09:19:18] <Novell> so I need like 1000 different menu
options in the PXE boot menu...
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974[09:19:33] <Novell> for all different possibilities
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975[09:19:53] <dob1> why .bashrc of root is so horrible? no
colors, nothing
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978[09:20:26] <Novell> ok, so maybe not 1000, but it will be
around 50-100 different ones...
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979[09:20:38] <inch> Novell: where does your $selected_packages
come from?
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980[09:20:42] <Novell> doesn't seem usable at all
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981[09:20:45] <Novell> inch: no where
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982[09:20:56] <Novell> My question was, is there a variable like
that
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983[09:21:01] <Novell> that can be used in late-command
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985[09:21:14] <Novell> based on the selected packages during
package selection
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986[09:21:44] <humpled> always bring your own .bashrc dob1 ;)
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991[09:24:19] <inch> Novell: I think you should explain your use
case in that bug report. Perhaps the maintainers would be more
willing to fix it if there is more demand.
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1042[09:56:03] <darxmurf> for those you update to buster on
machines with NIS client. Update then your /etc/default/nis file to
remove the -no-dbus argument. The actual ypbind in buster does not
recognize this argument
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1124[10:43:59] <SpeedyG> hi, after upgrading to buster I got an
issue that my samba automount is no longer writable.... pasted the
conf. file contents
replaced-url
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1125[10:44:14] <SpeedyG> how can I fix it to be writable again by
my user?
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1132[10:47:47] <SpeedyG> (it is writable by root btw )
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1136[10:49:26] <SpeedyG> oh... apparently adding the specific
uid/gid pairs works...
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1137[10:49:35] <SpeedyG> asking+googling at the same time ftw :D
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1139[10:50:09] <SpeedyG> curious though, what changed from
stretch->buster that adding the uid/gid pair is a requirement
now... because that wasnt explicitly needed before...
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1144[10:53:24] <NetTerminalGene> guys, my debian installs updates
automatically. is it enough to remove
"unattended-upgrades"?
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1145[10:53:40] <NetTerminalGene> i want it not to update
automatically
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1146[10:53:41] <blackflow> NetTerminalGene: yep. That thing is
atrocious.
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1147[10:53:47] <jelly> SpeedyG, newer kernel, different defaults
for smb3/cifs
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1152[10:55:10] <blackflow> NetTerminalGene: perhaps file a bug
asking for it NOT to be enabled (or even installed) by default? I
filed for Ubuntu (as I'm not using Debian's BT because
email!)
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1154[10:55:39] <SpeedyG> jelly: ok, makes sense :) thanks
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1156[10:56:10] <jelly> oh noes, EMAIL
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1158[10:56:17] <blackflow> the bane of my existence!
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1159[10:56:26] <SpeedyG> almost as bad as FTP or TELNET :D
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1160[10:56:42] <SpeedyG> or.... FAX .... *shivers*
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1163[10:57:09] <blackflow> Maybe Debian should wake up and smell
the 2019. Ooh! Ooh! 1990s called. They want their email based bug
tracker back!
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1164[10:57:44] <jelly> blackflow, I heard they accept volunteer
help.
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1166[10:58:15] <blackflow> jelly: oh pls, get real :) even if I
applied nobody would give me access to the infra to set up a proper
bug tracker.
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1167[10:58:30] <jelly> sorry, that's bullshit
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1168[10:58:33] <blackflow> because here. I volunteer. Where do I
post my ssh pubkey? ;)
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1174[11:00:21] <blackflow> pretty sure whoever wants to help out
would need to be a trusted contributor already, trusted with access
to the infra already.
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1176[11:01:29] <jelly> blackflow, you can clone the whole current
bts via rsync, set up the software and work on migration and
integration on your own
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1178[11:02:48] <jelly> I think the channel for bts is
#debian-bugs on oftc.
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1180[11:03:05] <muAdmDev> I'm looking for a simple solution
to automatically change the default route if the default router is
not reachable. So far I tried adding gateways per interfaces and
setting up additional routing tables. any step by step guide you
could recommend?
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1184[11:04:16] <jelly> muAdmDev, additional routing tables (that
is, policy based routing) seems to be the accepted way to do
multihomed network access
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1187[11:05:01] <jelly> at least that's what lartc.org tells
me. None of it particularly simple
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1189[11:05:37] <ihristov> muAdmDev take a look at this script
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1190[11:05:41] <muAdmDev> jelly: ok, than I'll have another
try with those :=
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1192[11:06:08] <muAdmDev> ihristov: that seems nice, thx!
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1193[11:06:40] <ihristov> muAdmDev It works by pinging some
addresses that you could configure and changing the default route
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1194[11:07:05] <muAdmDev> ihristov: yeah, just read it. exactly
what I need :D
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1195[11:07:21] <ihristov> muAdmDev :D great
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1202[11:13:50] <jelly> muAdmDev, unless you only use default gw
to get to your vpn, you will have issues with established tcp
connections hanging after a switchover
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1206[11:14:29] <jelly> that may or may not be a problem for you
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1207[11:14:48] <mrig> I am a little concerned as the software
packager has updated my bios and I am getting a reoccurring update
message, the bios is for the lenovo 460 where as I have a lenovo
x260; Since updating to debian 10 these updates have been made.
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1208[11:15:22] <mrig> I can no longer run the kvm module when I
try to start a qemu VM.
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1209[11:15:26] <jelly> mrig, what do you mean by "software
packager"?
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1211[11:15:39] <muAdmDev> jelly: can't have it all, when you
are not using BGP ;)
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1212[11:15:51] <muAdmDev> jelly: thx for the hint though
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1213[11:15:58] <mrig> jelly it is the software gui app that has
installed these bios modifications.
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1215[11:16:15] <jelly> mrig, does this app come with Debian?
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1218[11:16:44] <mrig> Yes it is the default gnome wrapper around
apt I imagine.
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1219[11:17:52] <jelly> mrig, if you open a terminal, does
"fwupdmgr" command work?
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1220[11:18:29] <mrig> jelly yes it does.
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1222[11:18:51] <mrig> oh no, it says command not found, i
scrolled up some.
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1224[11:19:12] <mrig> does give usage options though, must be
there.
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1227[11:20:20] <mrig> Having some issues with my wacom device as
well since the upgrade.
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1229[11:20:28] <jelly> it's possible the gnome thing you use
now has support for fwupd and fwupdmgr, and that it got firmware
that way. This is unfortunate.
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1231[11:20:55] <mrig> What would you recommend that I do here?
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1232[11:21:30] <mrig> I wish that I had not clicked, normally I
only ever use apt-get on the command line.
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1233[11:21:55] <blackflow> did it actually flash BIOS?
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1234[11:22:00] <mrig> reflash back to the latest lenavo perhaps?
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1235[11:22:07] <mrig> yes it did
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1236[11:22:08] <blackflow> or are we talking about run time
firmware loading
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1237[11:22:32] <mrig> a bios flash was run.
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1241[11:23:05] <jelly> blackflow, if it did what I think it did,
it actually flashed newer firmware
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1242[11:23:23] <mrig> Well a firmware replacement, I dont know
that it was the entire bios.
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1243[11:23:34] <mrig> Yes I think that you are right there.
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1246[11:23:47] <jelly> mrig, pastebin the output of
"fwupgmgr get-devices"
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1247[11:23:49] <blackflow> jelly: I see, yeah.
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1248[11:23:58] <jelly> mrig, sorry, "fwupdmgr
get-devices"
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1250[11:24:46] <mrig>
replaced-url
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1254[11:26:53] <jelly> mrig, perhaps someone in ##ibmthinkpad has
already dealt with something similar.
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1256[11:27:34] <jelly> I do not know how to figure out what the
previous version of bios/uefi system firmware was, perhaps fwupd hsa
logs somewhere.
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1257[11:27:35] <mrig> jelly thank you, I will go an ask in there.
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1259[11:29:29] <mrig> Oh, it does not seem that I am able to post
in there, strange as I have an identified nick.
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1264[11:30:35] <jelly> mrig, you're not NickServ identified
right now.
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1266[11:30:58] <mrig> oh I thought that I had, thanks for
pointing that out.
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1269[11:32:15] <mrig> I am not in my usual client, so my
procedure is all out of whack.
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1273[11:35:15] <jelly> I have no idea how that works with
"kiwiirc" sorry
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1289[11:44:47] <mrig> oh how strange, now banned from
programming?
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1290[11:45:49] <mrig> unless I am still not identified properly.
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1302[11:52:00] <mrig> jelly I was wondering about rolling back to
9.9?
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1319[12:00:29] <mrig> I gather the security issues with this
model will not be resolved for some time :(
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1355[12:23:29] <mrig> jelly thank you for your help, I'm
going to go and check on the versions.
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1362[12:26:54] <Slashman> hello, on Debian 10, what's the
best practice regarding time based task: crontab or systemd timer
units?
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1367[12:31:00] <norg> Hi, I saw that debian also uses cpupower
now as a replacement for cpufreq-utils. But while on Arch I have a
systemd unit to set the default governor (boot persistent) I
couldn't find the proper way on debian. The wiki still points
to the cpufreq-utils config to set the governor. So what's the
recommended way?
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1371[12:33:16] <bdax> my computer has started crashing in a very
weird way:
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1374[12:34:06] <bdax> I've no idea how to go about figuring
out what's wrong here, just all of a sudden the screen turns to
that, the microphone on one occasion made a second or two of white
noise and then stopped while that stuff in the video carried on
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1375[12:34:09] <Ticho> norg: I think you're meant to use
tuned and its profiles
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1376[12:34:37] <bdax> does anyone have any tips on finding out
what's wrong, or can recommend a forum that might be a good
place to ask?
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1378[12:35:28] <norg> Ticho: I should add that I'm on
stretch :)
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1383[12:40:23] <Ticho> norg: well, there is always /etc/rc.local
:)
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1384[12:41:14] <norg> I know but thought that there would be an
official way or a systemd service :)
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1386[12:43:18] <Haohmaru> bdax smells like video memory
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1390[12:43:55] <Haohmaru> is it an integrated video card?
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1399[12:49:31] <mrig> jelly What would you recommend at this
time, would reinstalling debian be pointless under these
circumstances? Should I wait for what ever this is to be resolved by
the debian contributors? I can run without the VM?
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1403[12:50:24] <mrig> There is also a small glitch with the
cursor if I use a wacom as a mouse, I suppose it is impossible to
know if the two things are related ...
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1404[12:51:13] <bdax> not sure if anyone responded to my
question? so i wouldn't have seen it
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1407[12:51:28] <bdax> it did it again so i wouldn't have
seen it *
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1409[12:53:38] <jelly> mrig, see if there's a bios setting
to (re)enable VT-x (virtualization) support.
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1410[12:54:11] <mrig> jelly, I check that and it is still
enabled.
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1411[12:55:01] <jelly> mrig, then it ought to work. Do you have
vbox installed maybe?
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1413[12:55:41] <mrig> I have the most recent bios referance and
there is one car diferance between it anda the one that I am running
on but it is not the numeric identifier that is different.
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1414[12:56:09] <mrig> no I dont, this is qemu
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1419[12:57:03] <jelly> apparently having vbox kernel stuff
installed interferes with kvm kernel stuff
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1420[12:57:42] <mrig> It has worked between my os update and the
patch being applied, it must be the patch.
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1421[12:58:42] <mrig> I did force the update to change over files
that were left over from the 9.9 instillation, I used apt-get to
update to 10; I was wondering if a clean install from DVD would help
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1423[12:59:29] <mrig> Not sure if there was the cursor bug prior
to that, I suppose trying this will eliminate the doubt.
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1429[13:02:11] <mrig> My other option is that there is a piece of
software that turns the bios cd iso into on that is readable by uefi
that I can use to flash without installing windows, other than that
I have to install windows to flash the bios with the file that is
given.
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1431[13:03:49] <mrig> I think it changes the .exe actually, I
could try making a usb from the iso but I am fairly sure that it
will not work like that.
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1432[13:03:51] <brandstifter> Hi, I build a package of binaries
and using dpkg-deb --build command. The problem is that apt install
shows that "0 B will be used after installing" which is
not true. what do I missing in such a case
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1443[13:08:42] <ansyeb> hello. I want to reinstall osX for
debian10 on my bookpro19. what "issues" to expect? should
I expect ctrl & shift to work as they normally would? may I
remap "cmd" to be my alt?
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1444[13:09:01] <ansyeb> osme driver issues, anything else etc
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1445[13:09:21] <mrig> Oh no, I am mistaken, I have the current
bios on there, that seems to be ok, for some reason there is a
difference between the name of the bios once installed and the name
of the package, so the differance is normal.
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1467[13:22:57] <centrix> I have set auto-load of iptables in
/etc/network/if-up.d/iptables executing iptables-restore only once,
but I can see rules doubled (iptables -L -n). Where to look to
remove duplicates? Thank you. I am new to this distro.
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1468[13:23:05] <centrix> DB11
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1474[13:29:17] <colo-work> centrix, "DB11"? what is
that? there's the "iptables-persistent" package that
takes care of this stuff for you.
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1475[13:30:33] <centrix> Sorry. DB10 = Deb 10.
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1476[13:31:05] <centrix> colo-work, I followed this URL:
replaced-url
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1479[13:31:22] <centrix> It works, but it doubles rules.
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1481[13:32:10] <Haohmaru> how do i copy a sub folder, into the
current place, including all the parent folders?
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1483[13:34:20] <jelly> centrix, that's a) 10 years old, and
b) when random internet article mentions something that works with
debian/ubuntu, they probably did not even try it on debian
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1487[13:34:54] <centrix> OK. Let me grab a new distro.
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1488[13:35:07] <centrix> A new version I mean.
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1489[13:36:14] <centrix> Ahh, now I understand ... the info on
the page is 10 years old.
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1490[13:36:23] <Exagone313> centrix: just undo the weird changes
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1491[13:36:29] <centrix> :)
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1493[13:36:53] <brandstifter> HI! when use `apt install foobar`
apt shows the message "After this operation, xxx B of
additional disk space will be used". How does apt calculate
this?
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1500[13:40:13] <centrix> colo-work, iptables-persistent did the
job. Thanks.
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1505[13:43:30] <jelly> brandstifter, each binary package has that
info about itself, and repos know about it. Try: apt-cache show
foobar
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1506[13:44:04] <jelly> brandstifter, see the Installed-Size
header, value is in KiB
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1509[13:47:28] <brandstifter> jelly: I have a package (created my
self with `dpkg-deb --build` which have no Installed-Size, but it
shows a Size field with correct information. Do you know what i am
doing wrong when building the package?
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1510[13:47:36] <Secret-Fire> can anyone help me get my usb dongle
working?
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1539[14:02:36] <st-gourichon-fid> Hello. I sometimes work
(actually, mostly for hack fun) with Debian source packages. There
are a lot of possible states, contexts and ways to get source code.
For example: (1) dsc+*orig.tar.*+debian.tar.xz (2) extracted folder
with debian/rules (3) binary package(s). There are a lot of options
to move from one state to another. I'm considering a chart
(e.g. with graphviz) that would provide an overview of the states
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1540[14:02:36] <st-gourichon-fid> and the possible transitions.
Does such a chart already exist?
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1542[14:03:25] <st-gourichon-fid> Other states: (0) binary
package name, (0.1) source package name
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1544[14:03:50] <st-gourichon-fid> Example of transition:
dpkg-source -x name.dsc provides (1) to (2).
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1555[14:07:38] <mrig> jelly: I must have broken something forcing
the change of files after the update. I do have a new linux option
at boot time when I choose the boot device, and and still getting
the request from the spftware manager to update the T460 firmware,
but the KVM is working again :)
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1557[14:09:36] <jelly> mrig, surely the Gnome Software Manager
thig can be told to skip a particular update?
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1560[14:11:08] <mrig> jelly There does not appear to be any
option to do that, I don't have to click on it ... I think I
will keep out of there in the future, it is just that there are
system alerts from it some times.
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1561[14:11:43] <jelly> eh
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1562[14:12:08] <blackflow> So, the decline of once glorious
Debian starts with Buster and introduction of unattended-upgrades
being installed and enabled by default.
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1566[14:15:23] <diogenes_> omg i just had to remove a ton of
firefox-esr-l10n* in buster.
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1567[14:15:29] <dob1> the unattended upgrades?
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1568[14:15:30] <dob1> really?
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1572[14:18:22] <jelly> blackflow, best keep this channel for tech
support issues. Rants are (sometimes) allowed in #debian-offtopic
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1573[14:19:01] <mrig> blackflow, well the installs were all
optional and it has successfully updated the bios to the most recent
version, something that in the past I have had to install windows to
do, so no complaints from over here.
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1574[14:19:28] <blackflow> jelly: rant is constantly in
debian-offtopic ;)
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1578[14:20:47] <jelly> asking how to stop feature X or change
some default is fine. Declaring some default X is terrible is less
than fine.
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1579[14:21:24] <diogenes_> jelly, where should i look for
unattended-upgrades in buster? i haven't noticed it.
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1581[14:21:41] <jelly> dpkg -l unatt\* | grep ^.i
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1582[14:21:41] <dpkg> ii unatt\* | grep ^.i 1.1-5 jelly's
private coin collection
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1583[14:22:10] <diogenes_> no packages found matching unatt*
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1584[14:22:19] <jelly> you don't have it.
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1585[14:22:32] <diogenes_> maybe it's just goes with gnome.
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1586[14:22:34] <jelly> fresh desktop installations do.
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1588[14:23:03] <Secret-Fire> can't get hci0 to go up
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1589[14:23:11] <blackflow> hmm yeah, this did start as a gnome
desktop that I went on to trim down to i3wm
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1590[14:23:43] <diogenes_> blackflow, then i guess it's a
gnome thing rather than buster.
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1591[14:23:58] <jelly> I don't have an optinion of Gnome to
share in polite company.
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1592[14:24:05] <diogenes_> i've clean installed buster xfce
and nothing there.
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1595[14:24:45] <blackflow> diogenes_: no, gnome has its own app
store and packagekit based update... unattended-upgrades is
independent.
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1596[14:25:09] <blackflow> but possibly made installed with
gnome. It wasn't in Stretch, even with gnome.
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1597[14:25:13] <diogenes_> blackflow, then how i don't have
it in xfce?
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1598[14:25:57] <blackflow> diogenes_: I don't know, but what
I'm trying to tell you is that it's not a hard dep of
gnome itself. Maybe the maintainers made it so, but it's a
completely standalone package, installed by default on ubuntu both
desktop and server where there's no gnome.
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1599[14:26:30] <blackflow> it's a simple service that comes
with a timer and runs apt.
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1600[14:27:05] <diogenes_> blackflow, i understood that but to
verify if it actually does come with gnome i'm gonna run a
gnome buster off of a usb and find out.
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1601[14:27:17] <humpled> you probably have a bunch of stuff which
was installed by some part of gnome
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1602[14:27:40] <blackflow> welp, this being a fresh installation
and me erroneosly choosing desktop even though I wanted none (so I
can manually set up i3-wm), I'm gonna reinstall and this time
rebuild it from bottom up.
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1603[14:27:44] <humpled> one day you'll remove a gnome
package and a whole bunch of dependencies which you've come to
rely on will go too
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1607[14:28:24] <diogenes_> yah gnome is like that, simply
removing evolution takes down gnome-shell itself and half of your
system.
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1610[14:29:27] <blackflow> humpled: I thought I did but I
apparently missed something.
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1617[14:34:43] <misternumberone> hi, running debian sid amd64
xorg on Dell Precision M4800. the default values for the
touchpad/stick speed/acceleration are unusable. i set usable values
with "xinput --set-prop "AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint
Stick" "libinput Accel Speed" 0.5", etc. however
i am having difficulty setting this configuration for reboot,
changes are not persistent.
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1618[14:35:38] <Haohmaru> do these in xorg.conf.d
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1622[14:36:26] <Haohmaru> at least that's where my
"turn mouse accel OFF god damn it" goes, and it works
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1623[14:36:26] <jelly> judd: why gnome-software
unattended-upgrades
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1624[14:36:35] <judd> Packages gnome-software and
unattended-upgrades in buster/amd64 are linked by 1 chains:
gnome-software â–¶ software-properties-gtk â–¶
python3-software-properties â–· unattended-upgrades
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1625[14:36:45] <jelly> blackflow, ^
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1626[14:37:27] <diogenes_> that's what i thought.
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1627[14:37:41] <misternumberone> i tried creating configuration
files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and /var/log/Xorg.0.log showed the
settings applied, but in effect there was no change and xinput still
had to be run, here are my present output for xinput --list:
replaced-url
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1628[14:37:49] <jelly> empty â–· is a Recommends, filled â–¶ is
Depends
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1629[14:38:31] <jelly> misternumberone, you'll want to ask
in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net if you have issues with sid
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1630[14:39:08] <blackflow> jelly: I see
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1631[14:39:28] <jelly> misternumberone, things are typically
shaky right after a release, best have two computers so that one
works if you manage to upgrade the other into uselessness
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1633[14:40:47] <Akuw> i am getting sudo: unknown user: postgres
sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin
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1634[14:40:48] <jelly> blackflow, don't worry, KDE has a
similar chain :-|
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1635[14:41:01] <jelly> !ask
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1636[14:41:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1637[14:41:02] <Akuw> after sudo -u postgres pqsl
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1641[14:41:13] <Akuw> jellyu: hi
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1642[14:41:18] <Akuw> jelly: hi
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1643[14:41:40] <misternumberone> jelly: yes thanks, i am about to
ask elsewhere, just thought to mention this issue existed for me in
debian 9 and 10 in an identical form and i upgraded for other
reasons
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1645[14:41:50] <jelly> Akuw, can you "su - postgres"
normally?
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1646[14:41:51] <blackflow> jelly: I filed a bug in Ubuntu but
that got shot down within hours by both Ubuntu and Debian
maintainers :/
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1648[14:42:31] <Akuw> No passwd entry for user
'postgres'
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1649[14:42:42] <jelly> Akuw, be root first.
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1650[14:42:51] <Akuw> i am root
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1651[14:42:57] <blackflow> no root either, you have to su -l
postgres
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1652[14:42:59] <jelly> huh.
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1653[14:43:10] <blackflow> that's normal. system root user
is not mapped to a postgres "root" user
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1654[14:43:14] <jelly> Akuw, which debian release is this?
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1656[14:43:40] <Akuw> 8
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1657[14:43:42] <blackflow> oh wait, I misunderstood what
your'e asking....
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1658[14:43:47] <Akuw> but was working yesterday
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1659[14:43:57] <jelly> blackflow, "su - postgres" is
the same thing as "su -l postgres" afaik
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1660[14:44:18] <blackflow> jelly: no no I completely
misunderstood their problem, I thought it was about postgres user
"root" not existing by default...
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1661[14:44:27] <blackflow> back to reinstalling Buster..
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1662[14:44:38] <jelly> Akuw, what does "getent passwd
postgres" say?
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1664[14:45:02] <Akuw> nothing
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1665[14:45:15] <jelly> so you or some other tool deleted that
user.
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1666[14:45:31] <jelly> Akuw, did you purge any postgresql related
packages recently?
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1667[14:45:40] <Akuw> no
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1668[14:45:52] <Akuw> the last this i did was doing some querys
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1669[14:46:09] <Akuw> then after some time when i login again got
that error
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1670[14:46:17] <Akuw> but postgres is running
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1671[14:46:21] <jelly> Akuw, what about grep postgres
/var/backups/passwd.bak /etc/passwd*
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1672[14:46:59] <jelly> does a line for postgres exist in any of
the backup copies?
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1675[14:48:12] <Akuw> no output
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1679[14:50:11] <jelly> Akuw, okay, that's not too good.
Figur out when the passwd database was last changed. Pastebin the
output of "ls -ld /var/backups/passwd.bak /etc/passwd".
Look at which user owns postgres files right now, "ls -la
/var/lib/postgresql/"
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1681[14:50:46] <Akuw> ok
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1682[14:50:48] <jelly> Akuw, also, do you have daily backups for
this machine?
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1684[14:52:15] <Akuw> first command both files root root
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1685[14:52:35] <Akuw> second, /var/lib/postgres does not exist
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1686[14:52:37] <jelly> Akuw, pastebin the complete output please
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1687[14:53:09] <jelly> and be careful typing them in.
/var/lib/postgres and /var/lib/postgresql/ are not the same thing
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1690[14:53:37] <Akuw> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2385 Apr 8 2017
/etc/passwd
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1691[14:53:42] <jelly> !paste
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1692[14:53:42] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
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1697[14:54:16] <Akuw> -rw----r-- 1 root root 2385 Apr 8 2017
/var/backups/passwd.bak
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1700[14:54:42] <jelly> Akuw, if those haven't been changed
since 2017, are you SURE this machine is supposed to have postgres
running?
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1702[14:54:57] <jelly> logged on to wrong machine?
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1706[14:55:22] <Akuw> yes
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1707[14:55:25] <Akuw> is running
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1708[14:57:16] <Akuw> ohh my god
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1709[14:57:19] <Akuw> ...
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1710[14:57:25] <Akuw> i was in wrong server
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1711[14:57:31] <jelly> yep.
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1712[14:57:32] <Haohmaru> does the "script ..." thing
(which the upgrade guide suggest) stop recording after the reboot?
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1714[14:58:12] <jelly> Haohmaru, you're supposed to exit
that shell and script before doing the reboot.
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1715[14:58:28] <jelly> otherwise the shutdown process will kill
it
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1716[14:58:39] <Akuw> jelly: i wanna die
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1717[14:58:41] <Akuw> hehehe
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1719[14:58:48] <jelly> Haohmaru, script is just a single process,
it's not magical and does not persist after reboot
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1721[14:58:56] <Akuw> thanks
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1723[14:59:00] <jelly> Akuw, it happens!
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1730[14:59:39] <Haohmaru> jelly well, i don't think
i've exited, but i surely rebooted.. like 5 times
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1732[14:59:47] <jelly> but here, we can have the bot laugh at you
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1735[14:59:49] <jelly> !pal Akuw
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1736[14:59:49] * dpkg points at Akuw and laughs uproariously
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1737[14:59:50] <Haohmaru> so it has stopped? i shouldn't
worry about it?
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1738[15:00:05] <jelly> Haohmaru, correct
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1739[15:00:08] <Haohmaru> gud
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1748[15:00:35] <Haohmaru> i'm currently upgrading the 2nd
debian machine (the one that's more complicated)
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1749[15:00:40] <Haohmaru> pray for me
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1764[15:05:16] <Akuw> Haohmaru: pray to Richard Stallman Saint
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1765[15:05:18] <Akuw> hehehehe
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1767[15:05:40] <Haohmaru> huehue
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1768[15:06:04] <Haohmaru> is he okay with the debian project?
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1787[15:13:49] <funabashi> hi guys i can anyone be nice and help
with source.list ?
replaced-url
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1788[15:13:56] <greycat> !buster sources.list
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1789[15:13:57] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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1791[15:14:02] <Haohmaru> in debian10, "backports" are
things that come from debian11, right?
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1793[15:14:21] <greycat> Haohmaru: source comes from sid, binary
packages are built on and for buster.
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1794[15:14:38] <Haohmaru> hm
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1795[15:14:52] <Haohmaru> sid was the experimental flavour?
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1796[15:14:53] <jelly> Haohmaru, correct, official backports in
release-backports always come from release+1, in case of stable,
they always come from testing
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1798[15:15:10] <jelly> greycat, source never comes from sid
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1799[15:15:18] <Haohmaru> oh
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1800[15:15:32] <jelly> you can't get a backport of something
that's not in testing
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1801[15:15:41] <jelly> unless you make it yourself.
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1803[15:16:03] <greycat> Oh, then it's strange that judd
defaults to sid as the backport source when you do ,checkbackport.
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1805[15:16:20] <jelly> that's kind of intentional
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1807[15:16:28] <Haohmaru> judd, the supporter of fake news
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1808[15:16:30] <wr> greycat, on xfce4-terminal $PATH ok, on xfce
GUI root terminal, echo $PATH not ok, thing is, they are both same
xfce4-terminal, even after several changes get
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
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1809[15:16:43] <jelly> peopl who want to make a local backport
usually want the latest thing
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1810[15:16:48] <greycat> wr: the TERMINAL has nothing to do with
it.
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1811[15:17:02] <Haohmaru> true, jelly
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1812[15:17:06] <blackflow> jelly: speaking of which, I think you
had an URL on how to do that (eg. for nvidia), do you have it handy?
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1813[15:17:07] <greycat> wr: "su -" is simply DIFFERENT
from whatever your "XFCE GUI root terminal" is.
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1815[15:17:46] <humpled> what is a gui root terminal?
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1816[15:17:46] <jelly> greycat, arguably whatever "XFCE GUI
root terminal" is, it ought to provide a decent PATH for root
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1818[15:18:01] <greycat> I advised him to fix it or to file a bug
report. Yesterday.
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1819[15:18:08] <funabashi> deb
replaced-url
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1820[15:18:08] <funabashi> deb-src
replaced-url
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1821[15:18:15] <funabashi> any wrong with those lines?
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1822[15:18:16] <jelly> probably a .desktop menu entry / shortcut
that's supposed to open a root shell term
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1824[15:18:29] <greycat> funabashi: /msg dpkg jessie sources.list
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1825[15:18:30] <jelly> funabashi, yes
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1826[15:18:38] <greycat> (Why are you using jessie?)
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1827[15:18:51] <funabashi> msg dpkg jessie sources.list
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1828[15:18:54] <jelly> because it's newer than wheezy?
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1830[15:19:11] <greycat> The / is important.
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1831[15:19:34] <jelly> deb
replaced-url
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1832[15:19:42] <humpled> is that new, i'm still on 9 with
xfce and don't seem to have it
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1835[15:20:31] <funabashi> greycat:
replaced-url
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1836[15:20:41] <humpled> not that i want it
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1837[15:21:12] <greycat> humpled: I don't use xfce, so if I
had to *guess* (and apparently I *do* have to guess because nobody
ever EXPLAINS anything), the xfce "root terminal" probably
opens a terminal and runs "su" inside it. With the
expected different in behavior between stretch and buster.
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1838[15:21:28] <jelly> funabashi, but you really want to have
security.d.o as well. jessie is managed by LTS team now and they
don't (have permission to) make point updates so packages that
have been fixed for the last year or so, are only available there
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1839[15:22:05] <funabashi> i just want my apt-get to work
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1840[15:22:25] <greycat> Then use the sources.list that dpkg says
to use.
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1841[15:22:38] <cusco> !apt suite changed
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1842[15:22:39] <dpkg> If you were already using Debian 10
"Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use
'testing' in your sources.list, apt-get will complain
about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will
prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need
--allow-releaseinfo-change
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1843[15:22:47] <funabashi> greycat: i get these errors with it
replaced-url
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1845[15:22:58] <tomreyn> funabashi: is this a different system
than the EOL Ubuntu 17.10 system you just asked about in #ubuntu
then?
replaced-url
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1846[15:23:54] <ayekat> "Ign:3
replaced-url
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1847[15:24:13] <greycat> *plonk*
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1848[15:24:13] <jelly> tomreyn, you're reyning all the fun!
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1849[15:24:19] * blackflow grabs popcorn
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1851[15:24:25] <greycat> I was already on red alert when he used
an ubuntu paste bin.
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1852[15:24:58] <humpled> oh they left
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1858[15:27:04] <jelly> funabashi, if the system was not actually
installed as jessie, the best option is to use repos from the
archive of the actual distro. That would mean deb lines, not just
deb-src lines.
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1861[15:27:27] <greycat> I'm just going to say
"reinstall from scratch using Debian".
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1862[15:27:39] <greycat> There is no way an ubuntu/debian hybrid
using PPAs is viable.
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1863[15:27:51] <jelly> that option is always implied
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1864[15:27:51] <funabashi> cat debian_version
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1865[15:27:51] <funabashi> stretch/sid
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1866[15:28:00] <jelly> funabashi, that's not debian.
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1867[15:28:18] <humpled> why does this happen every day
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1868[15:28:38] <jelly> that's 70% of a snapshot of debian
testing or unstable, and 30% of Canonical's packages, and
whatever you added from 3rd parties on top
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1870[15:28:52] <dvs> humpled, because the derivative distro is
either not active enough or don't know how to fix the problem.
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1871[15:28:55] <tomreyn> cat /proc/version says Linux, you should
probably ask in ##linux
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1873[15:29:08] <jelly> humpled, because people think that things
that look superficially similar are the same
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1876[15:29:30] <blackflow> tomreyn: or #windows if they're
using a WM? ;)
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1877[15:29:45] <tomreyn> a windows manager, yes!
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1878[15:29:55] <blackflow> yah.
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1879[15:30:06] <gpkfr> hello all;)
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1880[15:30:59] <gpkfr> do you known how to ignore gpg signature
for a specific repository ?
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1881[15:31:26] <wr> greycat, i guess now this done, "su
-" is in fact different, so to change $PATH i have to use that,
just opening a xfce4-terminal GUI on root will not do it
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1885[15:32:12] <greycat> Perhaps xfce's "root
terminal" widget/icon/app/menuitem or WHATEVER the hell it is
(nobody ever EXPLAINS!!) can be configured somehow.
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1886[15:32:23] <humpled> yes just open a normal terminal and
'su -'
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1887[15:32:32] <greycat> Or perhaps not. Only an xfce user could
know. I am not one.
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1888[15:32:32] <humpled> or 'sudo -i' if you don't
have a root password
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1890[15:32:49] <humpled> i don't believe xfce does have a
gui root terminal
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1892[15:33:01] <greycat> Then the question becomes "what is
he DOING".
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1893[15:33:05] <humpled> :þ
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1894[15:33:33] <humpled> in the meantime it seems gksu has been
deprecated and pkexec is used now eg. for gparted
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1895[15:33:43] <wr> greycat, what i did was open the
xfce4-terminal GUI root terminal and issued the "su -" and
did the export, now on echo $PATH the values changed, so this seems
ok now
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1896[15:33:44] <blackflow> pkexec or admin:// URL scheme
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1898[15:34:07] <blackflow> wr: eh what's a "GUI root
terminal"
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1900[15:34:33] <greycat> wr: is this an icon that you
double-click? Is it something you choose from a menu? What is it?
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1901[15:34:49] <dob1> I am confused about systemd and how to
start openvpn: I put server.conf in /etc/openvpn/server/server.conf
then I do systemctl start openvpn-server@server and it fails...
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1902[15:34:57] <dob1> Options error: In [CMD-LINE]:1: Error
opening configuration file: /etc/openvpn/server.conf
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1903[15:35:01] <dob1> why it looks there?
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1904[15:35:38] <blackflow> dob1: what does the service unit
template say? probably /lib/systemd/system/openvpn-server@.service
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1905[15:36:20] <dob1> blackflow,
WorkingDirectory=/etc/openvpn/serve
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1906[15:36:23] <dob1> r
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1907[15:36:37] <wr> blackflow, the root terminal that have on
xfce menu, that by the way on my debian 10 xfce virtual machine new
installed test machine does not exist, i guess my physical machine
should not have it too, maybe from stretch to buster something
continued
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1908[15:37:16] <dob1> I did now: sudo systemctl enable
openvpn-server@server then I go to start it, right?
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1909[15:37:41] <noln_> a gui root terminal is insecure and broken
anyway, because whoever can write to your config files can then run
a keylogger or overwrite PATH with a fake su/do
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1910[15:37:54] <greycat> whaaat
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1911[15:38:13] <blackflow> dob1: I'm sure there's more
than just WorkingDirectory in that unit. It being template, it
specifies %I or something like that in a path given to openvp to
open the config from, can you pastebin the unit template?
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1915[15:39:06] <dob1> blackflow,
replaced-url
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1916[15:39:07] <ayekat> noln_: whoever can write your config can
do so without a root terminal
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1917[15:39:16] <wr> greycat, by default on debian stretch XFCE
has that on menu
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1918[15:39:48] <dob1> blackflow, consider that I did the same for
stretch time ago and it worked...
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1920[15:39:55] <greycat> So it's in some kind of menu. Can
you find where this menu is configured? Can you change its
configuration to alter the command it launches inside the terminal?
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1922[15:40:29] <greycat> DEs like *.desktop files so maybe
it's buried in some file with a .desktop extension in some
directory.
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1923[15:40:32] <wr> blackflow greycat, on menu applications >
system > root terminal
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1927[15:42:05] <blackflow> dob1: ah yes, --config %i.conf . That
unit looks good, not sure why it's not working with relative
paths then. Is there another config openvpn is sourcing first and
doing a cwd of its onw?
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1928[15:42:06] <noln_> ayekat, steal X events (e.g. xev) to gain
root's password
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1929[15:42:13] <blackflow> dob1: *of its own
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1930[15:42:16] <wr> greycat, yes, i do have to check what is
running there, let me get where that is
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1931[15:42:27] <ayekat> noln_: yes, how is a root terminal
related there?
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1932[15:42:37] <ayekat> you can do that as a regular user
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1938[15:44:32] <noln_> because the avg user types root's
password if prompted by a window saying "root terminal" or
"authentication needed". I'm talking in general, I
don't know how xfce implements that root window
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1939[15:44:35] <karlpinc> wr: FWIW, I don't have a
"root terminal" in my xfce4 menu on stretch.
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1940[15:45:19] <greycat> All these xfce users. Maybe ONE of you
can tell him how to find the configuration file that defines his
"root terminal" menu entry.
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1941[15:45:34] <dob1> blackflow, I don't know, not it
started............ and why sometimes I am able to use
autocompletion with systemd services names and sometimes no?
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1942[15:45:37] <dob1> it's a nightmare
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1943[15:45:41] <noln_> ayekat, to be fair, sudo() {} is even
simpler than that anyway
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1944[15:45:48] <wr> karlpinc, in that case, maybe i have
installed something before when i was on stretch, probably been a
while, so i need to fix this too
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1945[15:45:51] <karlpinc> greycat: Not me. Things show up in the
menu when I install packages.
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1947[15:45:59] <noln_> su() etc
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1949[15:46:13] <blackflow> dob1: the autocomplete is always there
albeit slow so perhaps you thought it doesn't respond
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1950[15:46:18] <blackflow> dob1: so it works okay now?
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1951[15:46:20] <karlpinc> greycat: I'm only using xfce
because it seems the least bad.
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1952[15:46:21] <ayekat> noln_: yeah, or just any snippet in some
xinitrc/bashrc/whatever configuration file that can launch a process
- if you can drop arbitrary files into the user's home,
you've practically pwned them already
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1953[15:46:28] <ayekat> no need for a root terminal/shell
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1954[15:46:35] <greycat> Things show up in my fvwm menu when I
manually edit the .fvwm/config file and then reload fvwm. DE users
are *weird*.
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1956[15:46:49] <wr> karlpinc, but i do remember it being there
ever since, can it be because of my install iso's, or did it
was because put it there?
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1957[15:46:50] <dob1> blackflow, but it makes no sense.... it was
looking in the wrong place, then I changed the name of the file
server -> server01 and it worked...
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1958[15:47:27] <wr> karlpinc, i have two more pc's running
debian and they have it too
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1960[15:48:15] <wr> karlpinc, let me have a look again in my
other pc to see if not dreaming on this
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1961[15:48:55] <blackflow> dob1: not sure what's going on
there. But something tells me relative paths are being confused
somehow. You can try with an absolute path in the unit: ....
--config /etc/openvpn/server/%i.conf
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1966[15:49:39] <dob1> blackflow, but it's not my duty to
change the unit, it's the mantainer that has to make it works
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1969[15:50:11] <blackflow> dob1: the maintainer can't know
if somebody doesn't tell them, and my suggestion was for you to
try that and see if it's consistently working
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1970[15:50:21] <blackflow> ie. try to figure out where what
fails, and perhaps file a bug report.
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1974[15:51:28] <dob1> blackflow, I will try some tests
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1976[15:52:19] <wr> karlpinc, talking on that, i next need to
upgrade it to buster too
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1978[15:52:30] <jelly> greycat, there's a standard for menus
and entries these days.
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1979[15:52:54] <greycat>
replaced-url
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1980[15:53:20] <jelly> it's functionally worse than
debian-menu, but used by gnome and kde upstream so debian kind of
switched over to that.
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1982[15:53:51] <jelly> your fvwm probably did not support
debian-menu either! I switched from fvwm to afterstep about 20 years
ago.
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1983[15:54:02] <greycat> can you use your knowledge of this
"standard for menus" to help wr find out where his
"root terminal" menu entry comes from?
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1984[15:54:23] <jelly> I can :->
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1985[15:54:36] <twobitsprite> *rimshot*
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1987[15:55:48] <jelly> wr, find /usr/share -name
'*.desktop' -print0 | xargs -0 grep -li root
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1988[15:56:03] <jelly> might find a definition for that menu
entry
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1990[15:56:40] <jelly> twobitsprite, that very precisely does not
state "I will" :>
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1993[15:57:35] * greycat wonders why he has both
"/usr/share/applications" and "/usr/share/apps"
and what the difference is
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1994[15:57:49] <jelly> oh great, so many screensavers have -root
option in their invocation :-\
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1995[15:57:51] <wr> seems
/usr/share/applications/xfce4-terminal.desktop
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1998[15:59:31] <jelly> that one has just Exec=xfce4-terminal
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1999[15:59:47] <jelly> does not mention root or anything
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2000[15:59:51] <twobitsprite> jelly: you are technically correct,
the best kind of correct :P
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2003[16:00:24] <greycat> wr: can you paste your
/usr/share/applications/xfce4-terminal.desktop on
replaced-url
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2005[16:00:51] <humpled> for user edits you would copy that to
~/.local/share/applications and change it there
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2007[16:01:03] <wr> jelly, i remember editing those menus icon
once in the past, where exactly, i do not record right now
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2008[16:01:05] <jelly> might be a custom .desktop somewhere in
~/.config ?
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2011[16:01:26] <jelly> oh, there's a .local too
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2015[16:02:09] <noln_> /usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop
Exec=gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator on this stretch xfce
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2017[16:02:23] <jelly> I think gksu is gkgone
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2022[16:02:46] * jelly also has a leftover
.local/share/applications/menu-xdg/X-Debian-Applications-Terminal-Emulators-x-terminal_as_root_\(gksu\).desktop
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2023[16:02:51] <wr> greycat,
replaced-url
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2024[16:03:44] <jelly> wr, what about: find ~/.local ~/.config
-name '*.desktop' -print0 | xargs -0 grep -li root
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2025[16:04:04] <jelly> run it as normal user.
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2026[16:04:06] <humpled> again, stretch here, no gksu, no such
menu entries
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2027[16:04:23] <jelly> ,v gksu
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2028[16:04:24] <judd> Package: gksu on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.2-9;
stretch: 2.0.2-9+b1
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2030[16:04:58] <wr> jelly, on that one gets me back to terminal
finding nothing
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2036[16:06:26] <jelly> dunno then
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2037[16:06:50] <greycat> How on earth did he get a match from
jelly's find command on a file that DOES NOT contain the string
"root"....
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2040[16:07:13] <jelly> magic!
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2041[16:07:37] <jelly> and possibly, friendship
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2044[16:08:35] <wr> greycat, i dunno how things totally work on
this debian but i do know how to spot when something is fishy here
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2052[16:14:07] <nifker> Why is there no netsurf on bullseye?
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2053[16:14:09] <nixew> Is there a command for a reverse DNS
lookup (as an alternative to Windows' "ping -a
x.x.x.x")?
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2056[16:15:09] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dig +short -x 8.8.8.8
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2057[16:15:10] <greycat> dns.google.
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2059[16:15:27] <tarzeau> nifker: probably had a bug,
replaced-url
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2060[16:15:37] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2062[16:16:39] <nifker> meh
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2063[16:17:02] <jelly> nixew, if you don't have dig (from
dnsutils) installed, "getent hosts 8.8.4.4"
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2064[16:17:20] <tarzeau> nifker: it's just a transitional
package, try netsurf-gtk
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2065[16:17:36] <tarzeau> also not in buster, /me keeps searching
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2069[16:18:18] <tarzeau> nifker: too lazy must be something from
replaced-url
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2070[16:18:34] <nixew> jelly: thank you.
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2072[16:18:47] <wr> nixew, dig, host, dnslookup i guess
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2073[16:19:13] <jelly> nifker, only chromium and firefox have any
sort of security support, you might arguably get netsurf in but
avoid using it for browsing public internet sites
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2074[16:19:17] <Haohmaru> is the progress of apt during upgrade
calculated based on the size of the stuff?
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2075[16:19:25] <Haohmaru> i mean file size
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2076[16:19:51] <jelly> dpkg, why is netsurf not in testing
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2077[16:19:51] <dpkg> netsurf is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
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2080[16:20:50] <zenpac> My top shows 0% cpu for all processes ,
even for root.
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2082[16:21:12] <Haohmaru> cpu speed: infinite!
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2083[16:21:16] <jelly> zenpac, which debian release?
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2085[16:21:31] <zenpac> 9.9
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2086[16:21:44] <jelly> zenpac, is this inside a container or vps
of some sort?
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2087[16:22:13] <zenpac> jelly: No.. I do run KVM, but this is not
a container. Its the host.
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2091[16:23:15] <jelly> zenpac, perhaps the system is just that
idle. run: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null & in background and try
it again
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2093[16:23:25] <zenpac> When I do 'ps aux' I see only
[migration] [processes have a non-zero value of 356
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2094[16:23:32] <jelly> zenpac, what does "uname -a"
say?
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2095[16:23:54] <zenpac> jelly: Linux zenpad 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 4.9.168-1 (2019-04-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2098[16:24:19] <jelly> old but not that old
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2101[16:25:14] <jelly> zenpac, do you see dd process using around
100% of a single core?
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2102[16:25:21] <Akuw> what is the best way to create users with
certain specific root permissions?
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2103[16:25:23] <zenpac> jelly: THat kernel is not the stnadard
version for this Debian version?
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2104[16:25:35] <greycat> Akuw: what do you mean by "root
permissions"?
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2105[16:25:49] <Akuw> administrator permissions
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2106[16:25:50] <blackflow> Akuw: using a mandatory access control
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2110[16:26:04] <Akuw> documentation about that?
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2111[16:26:17] <greycat> Akuw: users do not have
"permissions". So your question is extremely unclear. Are
you talking about letting them run certain commands through sudo?
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2112[16:26:32] <Akuw> yes
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2113[16:26:40] <Akuw> and later audit
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2114[16:26:41] <jelly> zenpac, there have been a couple versions
since that. 4.9.168-1+deb9u3 (2019-06-16)
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2116[16:26:44] <greycat> Then you have to configure sudoers and
may dog have mercy on your soul.
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2117[16:26:46] <jelly> ,kernels
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2118[16:26:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5);
stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1); wheezy-
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2119[16:26:48] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2122[16:27:13] <Akuw> greycat: then if some user do something
where is the log?
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2123[16:27:19] <Akuw> to audit
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2125[16:27:21] <zenpac> jelly: I don't see any installation
candidates. Maybe I jus tneed to reboot
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2126[16:27:23] <greycat> sudo normally logs in /var/log/auth.log
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2127[16:27:28] <blackflow> /var/log/auth.log by default
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2130[16:27:50] <greycat> or more technically, it logs through
syslog() with settings that tell rsyslog to drop lines in
/var/log/auth.log
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2132[16:28:21] <wr> Akuw, i believe you want sudoers file on
visudo
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2133[16:28:22] <jelly> Akuw, however if you allow a user to
"sudo -i" or otherwise open a shell as root, they will be
able to run commands there without sudo logging them.
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2134[16:29:00] <Akuw> i think i have to clear what commands they
need
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2136[16:29:11] <Akuw> but at least i can audit
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2137[16:29:27] <Akuw> the problem is some users are running with
same root account
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2138[16:29:32] <jelly> Akuw, and make VERY precise rules in
sudoers (or better /etc/sudoers.d/local)
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2140[16:29:56] <Akuw> with sudo i can audit, else no possible
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2142[16:30:37] <jelly> there are other, commercial solutions that
try to log more. There are also kernel-based solutions that track
any execve()
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2144[16:30:42] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: You probably need to go
beyond irc one-liners in investigating this.
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2146[16:31:03] <jelly> sadly I don't know of anything
ready-made that I could recommend
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2147[16:31:16] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: There should be some good
articles availabl on using sudo and auditd to monitor your systems.
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2148[16:31:41] <BCMM> tbh, if the system is messed up, and some
guy opened a shell to avoid logging, that's the guy who messed
it up
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2151[16:32:16] <gnat_x> hi folks. when i upgraded to buster xfce
stopped catching the events for the play/pause, stop, prev, and next
multimedia buttons. The other ones, like volume work, as do other Fn
+. This is the last mildly annoying broken thing from the upgrade.
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2152[16:32:21] <BCMM> (of course, it's possible to use sudo
to edit the auth log. there is *some* trust required here.)
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2153[16:32:26] <greycat> there are other reasons to run a full
shell as root besides "avoid logging", unfortunately,
which makes it difficult to determine motives
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2155[16:32:52] <BCMM> greycat: sure. i should have made it
clearer that i was talking about a system in which policy is to
always use sudo for each command
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2156[16:32:55] <greycat> the biggest one for me is directories
without r-x permissions for "other", which means you
really need a root shell to navigate
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2157[16:33:00] <gnat_x> is suspect there's some
"systemd listens for those now" reason that i haven't
found in my looking around. so any pointers are more than helpful.
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2158[16:33:13] <gnat_x> (but i also could be way off base about
that)
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2159[16:33:32] <vlt> Akuw: And you should be aware that any user
can `sudo fiddle with the logs`.
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2160[16:33:40] <jelly> Akuw, BPF kernel component can do execve()
logging, that's one of the examples in the docs (search for
execve an execsnoop)
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2161[16:34:29] <jelly> that's the system call used to
"run a command"
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2164[16:35:41] <jelly> and apparently audit can do it on its own?
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2165[16:35:43] <jelly>
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2167[16:35:57] <wr> jelly, greycat by the way the thing runs gksu
/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator it was on
/usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop
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2170[16:36:42] <greycat> Is gksu something that changed between
stretch and buster?
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2174[16:37:02] <greycat> I remember seeing it mentioned a number
of times but I know very little about desktop env stuff.
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2177[16:37:27] <jelly> gksu was removed after stretch
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2180[16:37:54] <greycat> the dpkg factoid needs updating, then...
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2181[16:38:34] <jelly> it was a gnome component and they switched
to something dbus-related as backend
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2185[16:38:59] <wr> jelly, greycat when i moved from stretch to
buster i may have some extra junk packages on here, i need to fix
this, and if the gksu is out, i'll leave it off here too
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2188[16:39:51] <greycat> wr: my primary goal is figuring out
where your "root terminal" is configured and how you can
make it do the correct thing, but if that turns out to be impossible
or impractical, I suppose just removing that menu entry could be the
final answer
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2190[16:39:58] <wr> jelly, yep, gnome indeed by what i remember
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2192[16:40:56] <Akuw> the server is using windows :\
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2193[16:40:58] <greycat> wr: from your description, it sounds
like it tries to run the entire TERMINAL as root, instead of running
the terminal normally and running an "su" or
"sudo" command inside it. Which is utterly baffling and
preposterous, which means it's probably exactly what the
Desktop people chose to do.
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2194[16:41:10] <wr> greycat, this has an edit so i can puth
anything there i guess
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2195[16:41:18] <Akuw> i didn't know
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2198[16:41:48] <jelly> greycat, yes. Someone decided it was, in
essence, a good idea to do an equivalent of su - root -c xterm
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2199[16:42:12] <wr> greycat, this terminal is a xfce thing, so it
way be ok, i just need to run su's on top, no?
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2201[16:43:05] <greycat> wr: the obvious fix *to me* would be to
rewrite the entire *.desktop file to just have it run the command
"sudo -s" or "sudo -i" (your choice) inside a
regular terminal. sudo will prompt you for your password when the
terminal runs it. This of course assumes you have sudo installed,
and that you're allowed to use it.
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2205[16:43:49] <wr> greycat, seems fine to me, and looks easy
that
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2206[16:43:52] <noln_> following greycat's indication, and
tried locally. xfce4-terminal -x su -l
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2207[16:43:57] <jelly> or write a new .desktop file and put that
in
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2210[16:44:26] <greycat> noln_: *shudder* ... but yes, that would
also be a choice.
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2211[16:44:31] <wr> so i edit
/usr/share/applications/gksu.desktop ?
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2212[16:44:38] <humpled> noooo
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2213[16:44:44] <greycat> wr: you need to know what you're
doing first.
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2215[16:45:16] <wr> greycat, i get what to do, not sure just on
the file, but i think i figure it out in a sec
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2216[16:45:22] <jelly> wr, you make a copy in
.local/share/applications/ and edit that.
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2217[16:45:22] <noln_> well, if that's fine with their
attack models, so am I
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2218[16:45:46] <jelly> and refresh... no idea how.
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2219[16:45:54] <humpled> i just copied the xfce4-terminal.desktop
file into ~/.local/share/applications and edited it
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2220[16:46:02] <humpled> refresh happens automatically
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2227[16:47:11] <jelly> wr, edits of files under /usr/share will
not survive upgrades in normal conditions. That path is managed by
OS, and barring serious bugs you should not need to ever edit
anything under there manually
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2228[16:47:17] <humpled> changed the Name=, the
Name[<yourlang>]=, same for Comment, changed the Exec and the
Icon
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2229[16:47:32] <humpled> can't find a nice red terminal icon
tho
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2233[16:51:21] <wr> jelly, i think i'm gonna leave it alone
for now and don't mess this up, for now it doesn't make
any issue, just for now, until i come back and feel lucky
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2234[16:52:20] <humpled> sigh
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2238[16:53:23] <edarfoc> hi people!
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2239[16:53:37] <edarfoc> do you know how to add an actions icon
locally to hicolor?
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2241[16:53:54] <edarfoc> the usual method for applications icons
doesn't seem to work
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2244[16:57:51] <jhutchins_wk> edarfoc: No idea what you're
talking about.
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2246[16:57:55] <blackflow> humpled: take any, change hue in gimp?
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2248[16:58:00] <noln_> edarfoc, the icon theme spec says ~/.icons
?
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2250[16:58:25] <edarfoc> noln_: not working
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2251[16:58:27] <Pegasus_RPG> Congratulations on the new release!!
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2252[16:58:57] <dvs> There's a new release?
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2254[16:59:05] <edarfoc> jhutchins_wk: the hicolor theme is like
a joker for icons, I'd like to add a new icon in my home
folder, without touching the system
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2255[16:59:36] <edarfoc> also, does any of you know why I
don't get any apps in GNOME Software's start page?
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2257[16:59:43] <somiaj> I think you can also just use full paths
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2258[16:59:55] <noln_> basically icons have a name, they're
looked up in a set of directories defined by the spec, the fallback
directory (to guarantee a minimal set of icons available on all
systems) is called hicolor
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2260[17:00:02] <jelly> Pegasus_RPG, same to you pal!!
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2262[17:00:44] <noln_> e.g. if there were a user-specific
equivalent of $XDG_DATA_DIRS but for icons, that could(?) solve the
issue
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2267[17:02:05] <edarfoc> noln_: I can copy the files in
/usr/share/icons/hicolor/ but that's sort of dirty
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2269[17:02:36] <edarfoc> actually I want to add icons from
breeze, since there are KDE apps with missing icons under GNOME
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2271[17:04:47] <wr> jelly, greycat i compared my debian virtual
machine and my pc, i do have that extra terminal, that is junk, i
just need to remove it
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2272[17:04:52] <noln_> edarfoc, breeze-icon-theme won't
install them?
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2273[17:04:52] <diogenes_> gtk-update-icon-cache
/usr/share/icons/hicolor might be useful.
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2274[17:05:22] <noln_> edarfoc, worst case, make a custom *.deb
with equivs
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2275[17:05:42] <edarfoc> noln_: shure, but I just want as
fallback a couple of breeze icons which don't exist in adwaita
or hicolor
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2283[17:07:42] <wr> jelly, i don't record exactly, but i
think i one tried to run some file and things didn't work so
good, i believe one day i say on the net how to edit path and i
might have changed something, i'm not sure i did this was long
time ago, but all points to that
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2321[17:24:42] <pragomer> hi. as part of an autosetup-script I
want to create mbr and two partitions fully automated. does fdisk
work also without userinteraction, just with parameters?
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2325[17:26:22] <alkisg> pragomer:
replaced-url
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2327[17:27:46] <pragomer> alkisg: hi, so you would use
"parted", right?
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2328[17:27:54] <alkisg> right
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2330[17:29:16] <blackflow> pragomer: sgdisk is nicely scriptable
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2331[17:29:34] <pragomer> alkisg: mm.. i can see parameters for
creating partitions, but not for writing new mbr here:
replaced-url
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2336[17:30:24] <blackflow> pragomer: mklabel
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2337[17:30:53] <alkisg> pragomer: see my script that I linked,
line 12
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2341[17:32:25] <jelly> sgdisk is like sfdisk but for gpt?
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2342[17:33:00] <blackflow> I thought sgdisk can do both partition
layouts
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2344[17:33:04] <alkisg> sfdisk supports gpt as well
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2346[17:33:32] <jelly> !confuse me
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2347[17:33:33] <dpkg> No, those is my mushroom yesterday, jelly?
Wellies of the Republic of Swaziland with extra anchovies.
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2349[17:34:09] <dvs> heh
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2350[17:34:12] <jelly> it's clear why sane people give up on
all that and go with parted, then
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2351[17:34:35] <pragomer> got it.. so I am looking for the
filesystem type for a partition that will contain luks/dmrypt:
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2352[17:34:35] <alkisg> Afaik parted is a much larger
effort/library/everything
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2353[17:34:37] <blackflow> parted is my first choice, but sgdisk
is script-friendly
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2354[17:34:53] <Haohmaru> wowz, 99% of full-upgrade
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2356[17:35:18] <blackflow> esp. with relative sizes of
partitions, parted requires you to recalculate starting offset
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2363[17:37:51] <Haohmaru> hm, after booting into the fresh
debian10, i get this weird "Resuming from hybernation"
from systemd
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2365[17:39:21] <pragomer> alkisg: ah, I got it now with
"EOF".. thank to your script. thank you very much
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2369[17:40:34] <jelly> how do I decrypt a .gpg file on buster via
ssh? gpg binary seems to detect the open desktop session and
presumably asks for password at the GUI, but I'm not there
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2370[17:41:39] <jelly> gpg -d foo.gpg ... # just hangs in there
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2373[17:43:06] <jelly> gpg: WARNING: "--no-use-agent"
is an obsolete option - it has no effect
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2374[17:43:18] <blackflow> jelly: tried unsetting the DISPLAY
env?
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2376[17:44:17] <Pegasus_RPG> dvs: yes, Buster 10.0
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2378[17:44:32] <jelly> blackflow, it is NOT set
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2380[17:45:02] <jelly> even if it was set, it would point back to
my current display via ssh X11Forward
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2384[17:47:25] <jelly> gpg --pinentry-mode loopback -d foo.gpg #
does the trick but still caches the passphrase
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2385[17:47:41] * jelly can live with that
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2390[17:50:49] <greycat> hmm... there's --no-use-agent too
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2391[17:51:00] <greycat> Oh. Great. "This is dummy option.
gpg always requires the agent."
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2392[17:51:02] <greycat> what.
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2393[17:51:08] <dvs> ???
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2394[17:51:40] <greycat> I guess the answer is "you are not
supposed to use gpg over ssh"
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2395[17:52:04] <jelly> it kind of makes sense to keep secrets in
a separate process, maaaybe?
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2400[17:52:53] <jelly> greycat, because using it over vnc over
ssh is much better!
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2402[17:53:37] <greycat> Keep in mind that, if this program is
used over a network (telnet), it
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2403[17:53:37] <greycat> is *very* easy to spy out your
passphrase!
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2404[17:53:49] <greycat> ... seriously, who thinks anyone using
gpg2 is using *telnet*
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2405[17:53:55] * petn-randall remembers the good old times.
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2406[17:54:14] <jelly> greycat, the authors seem to be stuck in
time.
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2408[17:54:45] <jelly> it's not as if gnupg is a critical
piece of infrastructure!
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2410[17:55:45] <jmcnaught> For what it's worth I just tried
to "gpg -d foo.gpg" over ssh and the remote gpg-agent
asked for my passphrase
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2411[17:55:54] <jmcnaught> buster on both ends
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2412[17:56:28] <jelly> that's nice.
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2415[17:56:53] <jelly> I do NOT forward agent, not even to my own
machines.
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2416[17:57:02] <blackflow> someone mentioned using telnet the
other day in #ubuntu. never underestimate manpages from decades ago
:)
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2418[17:57:19] <greycat> This man page says 2018-12-11 at the
bottom.
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2419[17:57:29] <jhutchins_wk1> Um, isn't Secure SHell
encrypted by default? I thought that was the whole point.
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2420[17:57:34] <zenpac> jelly: you think my kernel is affecting
my cpu reporting?
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2423[17:58:16] <jmcnaught> I don't forward agent either
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2424[17:58:17] <zenpac> I suppose the data is coming from /proc
but maybe its a setting.
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2425[17:58:17] <jhutchins_wk1> jelly: Copy the file, decrypt
locally. (Ignore previous remark)
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2427[17:59:48] <jelly> zenpac, unlikely but there have been
similar kernel bugs before
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2430[18:02:22] <jelly> zenpac, I probably missed some of your
messages, did you run a busy-loop dd process and test if top said
that one was also 0% CPU time?
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2450[18:17:57] <blackflow> welp, that was one very smooth upgrade
of Stretch with root on ZFS on LUKS, to Busterino. Smooth, I say.
wham bam, thank you ma'am, reboot, back to prod.
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2463[18:22:16] <jelly> sigh
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2464[18:22:28] <jelly> W: GPG error:
replaced-url
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2465[18:22:28] <jelly> [18:22] ~ # faketime 2018-01-01 apt-get
update
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2466[18:23:04] <b17wise> Hi.. can I use a different init in
Debian safely? Sysvinit or Busybox init? Or upgrades can break them?
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2469[18:23:29] <greycat> Party like it's 1514782800
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2471[18:24:14] <b17wise> I am not native english speaker, so
pardon me
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2472[18:24:16] <greycat> b17wise: sysvinit is the most likely to
work
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2476[18:24:56] <jhutchins_wk1> b17wise: What's your actual
goal?
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2479[18:25:48] <b17wise> jhutchins_wk1: I want to install Debian
on my laptop with busybox init
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2480[18:26:00] <greycat> wtf is "busybox init"
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2481[18:26:21] <b17wise> greycat: Busybox init
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2482[18:26:39] <jelly> b17wise, sysvinit ought to work. runit as
well with some work.
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2483[18:26:41] <dvs> heh
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2484[18:27:00] <jhutchins_wk1> b17wise: What is your goal in not
using the default systemd?
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2486[18:27:18] <JyZyXEL> im trying to get a list of all obsolete
debian packages: aptitude search '?and(~o, ~ODebian)' but
it prints nothing
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2487[18:27:41] <jhutchins_wk1> JyZyXEL: Maybe you don't have
any.
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2488[18:27:47] <jelly> b17wise, some packages might have reduced
functionality in absence of systemd as init
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2489[18:28:00] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins_wk1: separately they both
return big lists
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2490[18:28:14] <jelly> !obsolete
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2491[18:28:14] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your
sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what
packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and
aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages"
list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't
include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to
the one you have installed; see <not available> <list
repositories>.
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2492[18:28:15] <b17wise> jhutchins_wk1: Oh.. I dont like
declarative init systems and job control design of systemd.
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2493[18:28:25] <b17wise> BusyBox has a
minimal initprogram that uses a configuration
file, /etc/inittab, to define rules to start programs at boot
up and to stop them at shutdown. greycat
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2494[18:28:27] <jelly> what was that other thing
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2495[18:28:32] <jelly> !not available
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2496[18:28:32] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have
installed now, that are not available from any repository in your
sources.list: aptitude search
'?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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2498[18:28:37] <JyZyXEL> plain ~o returns all the non-debian
packages as well
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2499[18:28:38] <jelly> JyZyXEL, ^
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2503[18:28:53] <jelly> JyZyXEL, what are you actually trying to
list?
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2504[18:29:09] <sparky4> there is no sound pulse audio dose not
see the sound card but alsa dose
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2505[18:29:09] <JyZyXEL> the crap left over from stretch
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2506[18:29:19] <greycat> I'm guessing he ANDed when he
wanted to OR.
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2507[18:29:20] <jelly> JyZyXEL, apt does not know where a package
came from, once it's installed.
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2508[18:29:42] <sparky4> i used to not have sound
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2509[18:29:53] <sparky4> i used to have sound*
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2510[18:29:58] <JyZyXEL> jelly: surely there is some origin field
that could be used to identify packages from debians sources?
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2512[18:30:09] <jelly> JyZyXEL, so if it's ~o and the
package does not exist any more in Debian repos, it will look
exactly the same as a package that did not come from Debian at all
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2514[18:30:15] <b17wise> jelly: Ok.. so can I choose init during
installation time?
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2515[18:30:19] <JyZyXEL> ughhhh
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2516[18:30:20] <greycat> b17wise: no.
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2519[18:30:24] <JyZyXEL> ill have to go trough the list by hand
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2523[18:30:32] <b17wise> Okey
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2524[18:30:38] <jelly> JyZyXEL, apt does NOT save it at install
time or track it some other way, for the time being
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2525[18:30:50] <jelly> it could, but it doesn't
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2526[18:30:51] <jhutchins_wk1> !alsa checklist
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2527[18:30:52] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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2529[18:32:30] <sparky4> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
failed
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2531[18:33:26] <greycat> failed in what way?
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2532[18:33:32] <sparky4> n othing came out
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2535[18:34:00] <sparky4> linux kernel sees the sound card but not
pulse audio
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2537[18:34:20] <greycat> Obvious candidates are "speakers
not plugged in", "speakers not turned on",
"speakers plugged in the wrong place", "channels
muted", "volume set to 0".
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2538[18:34:33] <greycat> Most especially the muted thing.
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2539[18:34:35] <sparky4> this is a laptop and everything is on
max
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2540[18:34:43] <sparky4> nothing is muted
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2542[18:35:22] <a0z> sparky4: have you tried pavucontrol?
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2543[18:35:33] <sparky4> yes and it says dummy output
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2546[18:36:11] <sparky4> 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation
Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio (rev 21)
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2547[18:36:15] <sparky4> is my sound card
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2550[18:37:08] <jhutchins_wk1> sparky4: What does it look like in
alsamixer?
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2551[18:37:57] <sparky4> it sees tomething
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2552[18:38:07] <sparky4> let me take a screenit
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2559[18:39:58] <sparky4>
replaced-url
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2560[18:40:05] <sparky4> look
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2563[18:41:06] <sparky4> also how do i know i have a black list
again?
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2564[18:41:37] <greycat> blacklist applies to the kernel modules
-- the fact that alsamixer shows the device at all, and aplay
didn't bomb out with an error message, means the module is
loaded
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2565[18:41:53] <sparky4> true
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2566[18:42:17] <sparky4> aplay plaied it but i heard nothing
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2570[18:43:03] <greycat> If pulse is interfering somehow,
that's beyond my experience. I've never used pulse.
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2572[18:43:49] <sparky4> should i just uninstall it?
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2578[18:46:37] <jmcnaught> sparky4: do you have just a dummy
output in pulseaudio?
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2582[18:47:37] <sparky4> yes
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2583[18:47:57] <sparky4> and in configuration there is nothing
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2584[18:48:03] <jmcnaught> !timidity pulseaudio
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2585[18:48:04] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity>
blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio>
only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with
'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with
'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity'
and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
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2586[18:48:09] <jmcnaught> sparky4: ^ check that
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2587[18:48:50] <sparky4> i removed pulse and it works! <3
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2588[18:49:18] <greycat> Now the question is whether anything
else breaks because of missing pulse.
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2589[18:49:25] <sparky4> nope failed
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2590[18:49:25] <greycat> (e.g. firefox)
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2592[18:49:32] <sparky4> firefox is broken
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2593[18:49:39] <sparky4> aplay works now
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2595[18:49:54] <greycat> Upstream firefox removed ALSA support
and only uses Pulse. I don't know the current state of
Debian's firefox-esr builds.
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2598[18:51:06] <dob1> another piece for Poettering :)
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2599[18:52:04] <sparky4> stopping tmidy
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2601[18:52:06] <humpled> there is a thing called pasuspender for
temporarily stopping pulseaudio
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2603[18:52:21] <humpled> no need to rip it out :þ
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2604[18:52:22] <sparky4> FIXED
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2606[18:52:25] <sparky4> HOLY MOLY
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2607[18:52:30] <sparky4> THANK YOU GUYS <3
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2608[18:52:39] <jmcnaught> It's not exactly
PulseAudio's fault if a system service grabs the sound card
before it has a chance to
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2610[18:53:10] <humpled> why is timidity even a service?
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2611[18:53:49] <humpled> isn't it a midi sequencer?
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2620[18:56:56] <Tom-_> a lot of people use apuls efor firefox if
they don't want to use pulseaudio
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2621[18:56:58] <Tom-_> apulse
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2626[18:57:41] <Tom-_> humpled, i've used timidity as a
service for Musescore or whatever, it's fun :)
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2632[18:58:24] <humpled> okay thanks
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2644[19:00:51] <jelly> Tom-_, boo timidity, yay fluidsynth
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2652[19:02:26] <jelly> humpled, it's a service because it
runs as a service, providing something that looks like a MIDI
sequencer hardware device to any user on the system
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2653[19:03:18] <jelly> with pulseaudio and systemd it would
probably be better if it ran as a per-user service.
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2655[19:03:48] <jelly> but the package is like 20 years old and
has had this setup before pulseaudio _existed_
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2657[19:04:32] * jelly used it for Renpy-based games with midi audio
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2664[19:06:22] <sedrosken> I've never used fluidsynth
before, will it use sf2 soundfonts?
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2665[19:06:26] <sedrosken> just curious
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2666[19:06:41] <jelly> yes.
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2668[19:06:49] <sedrosken> coolio
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2670[19:07:12] <jelly> (it's named after FluidR3 GM.SF2)
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2671[19:07:42] <jelly> a bit better sound than timidity with
everything enabled, but uses like 20x more CPU
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2673[19:08:17] <thisGuyEy> Hey all, I am trying to install the
tor browser bundle on my laptop(as I have on my desktop) following
replaced-url
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2674[19:08:26] <jelly> if you have a modern cpu (less than 10
years old, maybe not a single-core Atom), it works well
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2676[19:09:20] <somiaj> thisGuyEy: torbrowser-launcher was
removed from stretch-backports (unsure why). Right now in
stretch/buster the only way to get tor is thrid party and install it
in your $HOME, /opt, or /usr/local
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2681[19:10:22] <jhutchins_wk1> ,v torbrowser-launcher
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2682[19:10:23] <judd> Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 --
jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; sid/contrib: 0.3.1-2
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2685[19:10:41] <jhutchins_wk1> thisGuyEy: Do you have contrib
enabled?
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2686[19:10:49] <worthington> 238vjm S3xyL1nux 970vvx
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2691[19:11:27] <thisGuyEy> somiaj ahhh, I figured as much.
jhutchins_wk1 yes, in the backports and the normal sources.list
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2692[19:11:34] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk1: still don/t see how that
will help, sicne the package is not in stretch-backports anymore
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2693[19:11:47] <Tenkawa> I'm showing it in contrib/python
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2696[19:12:10] <Tenkawa> torbrowser-launcher package
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2697[19:12:11] <worthington> 342deu S3xyL1nux the only legend
just stepped in 285gie
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2698[19:12:32] <somiaj> Tenkawa: apt policy that package, where
are you getting it from, maybe you have it from before it was
removed from stretch-backports
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2700[19:12:35] <jhutchins_wk1> somiaj: You were correct, I was
just looking at what repo it was in, not the releases. Perhaps
something else replaces it?
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2701[19:12:43] <Tenkawa> just a sec
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2703[19:13:03] <somiaj> I don't know if the sid package
would be considered safe, but from my limited observation, it seems
that torbrowser is not avaialble for stretch or buster at the moment
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2704[19:13:12] <thisGuyEy> somiaj I got it a long time ago, but
if it is gone, I will find another way ;)
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2706[19:13:18] <somiaj> Maybe they will add it to
buster-backports in the future, but I think some third party method
is needed to install it right now.
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2708[19:13:33] <Tenkawa> ahh
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2709[19:13:40] <Tenkawa> Version table: 0.3.1-2 unstable
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2710[19:13:48] <somiaj> and I'm unsure the best way, but
since all the launcher does is download the browser, can't you
just manually download it to $HOME and run it?
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2712[19:13:56] <Tom-_> sedrosken, do sf2 soundfonts work with
Sibelius? (proprietary non-free program)
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2715[19:14:06] <jhutchins_wk1> Theoretically it will move from
bullseye(?) and be available for backports.
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2716[19:14:12] <jhutchins_wk1> !ssb
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2717[19:14:12] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install
build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source
packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation
options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid
see <uupdate>.
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2718[19:14:16] <Tenkawa> I have some unstable sources that I use
too
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2721[19:14:33] <somiaj> Tenkawa: I wouldn't mix unstable and
buster anymore, this will lead to problems.
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2722[19:14:45] <somiaj> (unstable/testing mixing is fine, but not
unstable/stable)
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2723[19:14:50] <thisGuyEy> somiaj not sure how it works, I know
it downloads a gui that lets you download the browser bundle, so I
guess the gui is not that much of work.
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2724[19:14:52] <Tenkawa> i dont have buster enabled at all
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2725[19:14:59] <Tenkawa> just checked
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2726[19:15:21] <Tenkawa> all unstable
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2727[19:15:25] <somiaj> Tenkawa: ahh, so you run sid? Anyways,
this channel only supports stable, so support advise should be
directed to stretch or buster users.
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2728[19:15:27] <Tenkawa> just like I like it
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2729[19:15:31] <Tenkawa> yes
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2730[19:15:46] <thisGuyEy> But I should update the debian wiki,
if making an account is not that much of a hassle(like some wikis).
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2731[19:15:52] <somiaj> thisGuyEy: I think you just need to
manually do what the luncher did, which is download the browser
bundle to $HOME and run it.
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2732[19:16:02] <Tenkawa> somiaj: and yes I do advise them of
that...
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2733[19:16:11] <Tom-_> well fluidsynth looks okay
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2734[19:16:14] <somiaj> thisGuyEy: you have to email someone and
wait for aproval, due to spam accounts automatic registration is
down.
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2736[19:16:26] <Tenkawa> "my" output was just off
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2737[19:16:31] <worthington> 786ggh can you catch this? 637aeu
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2738[19:16:54] <thisGuyEy> I will download the gui stuff from my
desktop, and I will try to remember checking my email for that wiki
acount. Thanks.
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2739[19:17:32] <worthington> 806byk i am not a human
$rand(111,999)fxd
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*!*@ngn1-ppp1931.fukuoka.sannet.ne.jp
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2747[19:18:10] <Tenkawa> what are these numbers
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2748[19:18:16] <Tenkawa> ok it was spam
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2749[19:18:22] <Tenkawa> thought so
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2751[19:18:41] <somiaj> Saw the same thing in a few other
channels, so figured it aws some bot and isn't needed here
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2757[19:19:50] <Tenkawa> reminds me of the latest bs robocalls
that plague the airwaves in the usa
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2779[19:37:17] <poohcjy9> 715keg S3xyL1nux will stalk freenode
the rest of Sigyn life 724hsa
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2803[19:50:18] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
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2806[19:50:50] <rocketmagnet> i've troubles with apt-get
update, he want to install many packages that are already installed
...
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2809[19:51:25] <rocketmagnet> apt-get says the are hold back, but
they are already installed, how can i solve this ?
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2811[19:52:17] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: can you put the full
output on
replaced-url
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2813[19:52:25] <rocketmagnet> from apt-get ?
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2816[19:52:44] <jmcnaught> yes
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2824[19:53:57] <rocketmagnet>
replaced-url
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2826[19:54:55] <jmcnaught> !localized errors
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2827[19:54:56] <dpkg> To provide command output in English
instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one
(e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get
-f install".
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2829[19:55:27] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: ^^ please do that for
future pastes. What is the situation here, did you recently upgrade?
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2835[19:58:03] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: i did one update, and
then suddenly apt-get forgot about all my installed packages and
installed them again, now i tried a new update&&upgrade and
he want to do the same again but this time the packages are hold
back..
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2837[19:58:37] <sedrosken> ok, gonna need some help getting X
going on a jaguar based laptop
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2838[19:58:43] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: he remembers the
packages but they are already installed
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2841[19:59:05] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: were you upgrading from
stretch to buster for example? Can you make another paste of
'apt-cache policy' ?
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2842[19:59:06] <sedrosken> firmware-amd-graphics is installed,
but X complains about not being able to run in framebuffer mode
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2844[19:59:20] <magic_ninja> how do I set up a static network
with terminal / text editor
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2845[19:59:37] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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2846[19:59:40] <sedrosken> this is a fresh install, only packages
installed since first boot are firmware-amd-graphics and
firmware-b43-installer and its dependencies
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2848[20:00:21] <sedrosken> from what I gather, the console gets
stuck in efifb mode and won't initialize either the amdgpu
driver or the radeon driver and that's what X is upset about
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2850[20:00:49] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: in your
/etc/apt/sources.list do you have lines for stretch, or lines for
stable?
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2851[20:01:11] <sedrosken> now, this is on an encrypted LVM setup
and if I'm recalling correctly I think I fixed this on gentoo
by baking my GPU firmware into my kernel -- please tell me I
won't need to do that, that'll be a huge drag
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2852[20:01:18] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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2856[20:01:59] <Cypriot> magic_ninja nano /etc/network/interfaces
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2857[20:02:16] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: this is your problem,
you have your sources.list pointed to 'stable' instead of
'stretch'. 'stable' just changed last week from
'stretch' to 'buster', so you now have a
half-way upgraded to buster system.
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2860[20:02:33] <rocketmagnet> so what's the best way to
solve this ?
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2861[20:02:41] <rocketmagnet> change from stretch to stable ?
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2863[20:03:14] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: no you have already
upgraded some packages to buster, you need to read the buster
release notes and then complete the upgrade to buster:
replaced-url
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2867[20:03:55] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: can't i just change
strecht to stable ?
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2868[20:04:00] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: to reiterate, never use
'stable' in sources.list, always use release codenames
like 'stretch' or 'buster', or you will get
surprise upgrades like this.
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2870[20:04:07] <karlpinc> sedrosken: I'm poking with a stick
here, but you could install the linux-doc package and look at zless
/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-*/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt.gz.
Maybe there's a kernel parameter that can help. (Perhaps tell
the kernel to stay in vga mode or something so that it waits --
supplying the parameter only to the initrd kernel??)
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2872[20:04:30] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: so stretch should be
buster now ?!
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2873[20:04:33] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: the problem is that you
already *were* using 'stable' instead of
'stretch', now you have a system that is half stretch,
half buster.
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2874[20:04:41] <rocketmagnet> not good
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2876[20:04:51] <rocketmagnet> so i've to update to buster
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2879[20:04:59] * karlpinc is not sure if it even makes any sense that
the initrd would take a different parameter
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2880[20:05:00] <rocketmagnet> do i need a dist-update ?
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2882[20:05:50] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: whoever told you to use
'stable' in your sources.list did you a disservice. I
recommend to read the release notes first, then finish the upgrade
according to the instructions (hint: use apt for this upgrade
instead of apt-get, and do it in a screen session)
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2883[20:06:14] <karlpinc> rocketmagnet: You should read the
buster release notes and see what's in the upgrade
instructions. There's a section on "problems", and an
overview of what you _should_ have done might be helpful.
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2885[20:06:42] <greycat> And make sure you put "buster"
in the sources.list instead of "stable" to avoid problems
in the future.
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2888[20:08:16] <sedrosken> ah right I may also need to enable
early KMS for my video driver too
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2892[20:11:39] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: thanks for the help!
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2893[20:11:45] <rocketmagnet> and karlpinc ty2
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2907[20:19:11] <acitripper> Hi
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2909[20:19:22] <acitripper> guys, just to ask how is buster
working?
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2910[20:19:30] <annadane> fine for me... *shrug*
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2911[20:19:35] <acitripper> any important bug, thing to take into
account
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2912[20:19:42] <acitripper> before switching?
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2913[20:19:51] <greycat> I've only done 2 desktop boxes. One
had no issues, one had some minor issues I was able to fix.
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2914[20:19:53] <annadane> read the release notes if you're
upgrading from stretch
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2915[20:19:54] <acitripper> and how do you feel with the new
release
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2916[20:20:08] <acitripper> will do a reinstall
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2917[20:20:16] <acitripper> formating
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2918[20:20:19] <acitripper> so no upgrade
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2919[20:20:29] <acitripper> just to catch up your thoughts on it
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2920[20:20:59] <karlpinc> acitripper: Is this a box that you
installed prior to stretch and upgraded to stretch?
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2921[20:21:11] <acitripper> it's slackware :P
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2922[20:21:27] <acitripper> a t460 with 480gb ssd drive
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2925[20:21:46] <karlpinc> acitripper: Never mind then. The
default network interface names changed starting with stretch. It
can affect the buster upgrade.
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2927[20:22:26] <acitripper> karlpinc, yes i know. alias can be
changed though
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2928[20:22:41] <acitripper> for notebooks i prefer using firmware
iso
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2930[20:22:43] <Tenkawa> slackware was my first distrib
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2931[20:22:56] <acitripper> for having wlan firmwares
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2932[20:23:01] <Tenkawa> i miss it some days
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2933[20:23:06] <karlpinc> acitripper: Maybe read the "what
new" part of the release notes, just to see...
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2934[20:23:12] <acitripper> kinda silly thing, to install
firmware without wlan :P
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2935[20:23:34] <karlpinc> !firmware images
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2936[20:23:35] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
replaced-url
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2938[20:23:55] <Tenkawa> even though its still around it just way
behind
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2939[20:23:55] <sedrosken> I think I may have just needed to call
update-initramfs to bring in the firmware
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2940[20:23:58] <acitripper> yes, found that has new kernel, new
kde (i use it), and other changes... but most reviews refer to silly
things. not mentioning system changes
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2941[20:23:58] <sedrosken> we'll see if this worked
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2942[20:23:58] <karlpinc> acitripper: It can be useful to have
firmware available when installing.
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2943[20:24:13] <Tenkawa> karlpinc: omg yes
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2944[20:24:20] <acitripper> karlpinc, pretty useful!!
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2945[20:24:27] <Tenkawa> that has bit me a few times
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2946[20:24:35] <sedrosken> jeez I wish I had found those the
first time
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2947[20:24:50] <acitripper> it's a must if you ask me... but
well we all know the affair debian has with RHS or FSF :P
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2948[20:24:54] <acitripper> RMS*
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2949[20:24:55] <Tenkawa> especially with these non-free blobs
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2950[20:25:03] <sedrosken> yay! it works now!
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2952[20:25:51] <rocketmagnet> i did a apt-get dist-upgrade but he
has troubles with linux-image-4.19.0-5-adm64
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2953[20:25:56] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: ^
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2955[20:26:08] <Tenkawa> rocketmagnet: error?
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2956[20:26:09] <karlpinc> acitripper: It's not so much FSF
(note the separation of the GNU docs into non-free). I do appreciate
having a clear line so I know when I cross it.
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2958[20:26:52] <greycat> The GFDL is one of the most surprising
things I've ever seen.
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2959[20:27:03] <Tenkawa> rocketmagnet: you have to provide him
more details than just "has troubles"
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2960[20:27:11] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: what is the full error?
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2961[20:27:21] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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2962[20:27:36] <rocketmagnet> i've troubles with
LC_ALL="C", it's not working
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2963[20:27:53] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: well I can't read
German
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2966[20:28:07] <rocketmagnet> got it, should i repaste in english
?
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2967[20:28:14] <rocketmagnet> ok, sec
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2968[20:28:17] <Tenkawa> I can somewhat
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2969[20:28:34] <greycat> if "export LC_ALL=C"
doesn't work, something's quite amiss
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2970[20:29:01] <greycat> granted, it does require that
you're using a Latin alphabet
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2972[20:29:16] <rocketmagnet>
replaced-url
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2973[20:29:21] <sedrosken> okay so i disabled lightdm to
troubleshoot X by doing a systemctl disable lightdm, trying to
re-enable it this way fails because it's apparently not meant
to be enabled that way?
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2974[20:29:26] <Tenkawa> ahhh
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2975[20:29:37] <sedrosken> but calling it by doing a systemctl
start lightdm works
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2976[20:29:48] <greycat> sedrosken: "systemctl enable"
should cause it to start at boot time. "systemctl start"
to make it go now.
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2978[20:30:02] <sedrosken> yeah, but enable fails while start
works
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2979[20:30:18] <greycat> How did it "fail"? It just
marks the thing to start next time you reboot.
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2981[20:30:37] <sedrosken> the actual error says it has no
installation config, apparently meaning it was "not meant to be
enabled using systemctl"
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2984[20:31:00] <sedrosken> let me reboot the machine and see if
it just did it while complaining about it
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2985[20:31:16] <Tenkawa> rocketmagnet: did you apt-get update
first?
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2986[20:31:46] <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: can you 'apt remove
plymouth' then 'apt install
linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64'?
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2988[20:32:16] <Tenkawa> jmcnaught: do you think the dependency
could have changed?
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2989[20:33:37] <jmcnaught> Tenkawa: line 16 of
replaced-url
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2990[20:33:55] <Tenkawa> yeah
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2992[20:34:21] <rocketmagnet> jmcnaught: it worked, thanks alot
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2993[20:34:30] <Tenkawa> excellent
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2997[20:35:14] <sedrosken> you know what, now that I've got
the procedure down, I'm just gonna do another reinstall to fix
what I managed to screw up since it's a fresh install anyway --
then I'll pull the firmware for my GPU and wifi card while
still hooked into ethernet and rebuild my initramfs like i did just
now to get it going
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2998[20:35:21] <sedrosken> it's another twenty minutes, no
sweat
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2999[20:35:24] <sedrosken> thanks guys
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3001[20:35:38] <rocketmagnet> when i've done dpkg
--get-selections, how can i make dpkg install those packages ?
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3004[20:36:26] <rocketmagnet> dpkg --get-selections > tmp.txt
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3005[20:36:26] * dpkg selects rocketmagnet's pr0n collection
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3006[20:36:36] <rocketmagnet> hehe
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3007[20:36:37] <blackflow> bwhahahaha
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3008[20:36:47] <Tenkawa> wth
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3009[20:36:58] <greycat> !debian clone
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3010[20:36:59] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to
take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you
want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections >
~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other
machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections <
~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask
me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to
backup> <apt-clone>.
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3017[20:40:47] <rocketmagnet> greycat: i get many lines like:
dpkg: warning: package not in status nor available database at line
1241: libtbb2:amd64
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3018[20:41:07] <greycat> well, that seems clear enough
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3019[20:41:11] <greycat> ,b libtbb2
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3020[20:41:13] <greycat> ,v libtbb2
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3021[20:41:14] <judd> Package: libtbb2 on amd64 -- jessie:
4.2~20140122-5; stretch: 4.3~20150611-2; bullseye: 2018~U6-4;
buster: 2018~U6-4; sid: 2019~U8-1
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3022[20:41:37] <greycat> did you forget to use an actual buster
sources.list and "apt update"?
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3024[20:43:03] <rocketmagnet> greycat: yes, i'm using only
buster sources
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3025[20:43:17] <rocketmagnet> and i did update
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3027[20:44:16] <greycat> then there should be a libtbb2 package
in your available lists
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3028[20:44:30] <greycat> unless there's an architecture
mismatch -- amd64 vs. something else
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3030[20:45:46] <rocketmagnet> can the problem be that i did the
--get-selection before i updates to busted instead of stable ?
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3032[20:46:21] <greycat> what does "apt-cache show
libtbb2:amd64" say?
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replaced-url
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3037[20:47:25] <greycat> Then it should work.
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3038[20:47:36] <rocketmagnet> hmpf
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3051[20:55:06] <sparky4> i have another issue on my other
computer
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3052[20:55:23] <dvs> sorry, only one computer allowed. ;-)
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3053[20:55:23] <sparky4> the nvidia legacy drivers 304xx is not
found in the buster repository
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3054[20:55:28] <sparky4> xD
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3055[20:55:50] <greycat> add contrib and non-free to your
sources, and apt update
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3058[20:56:04] <sparky4> i did
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3062[20:57:36] <sparky4> rit is just not there
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3063[20:57:44] <sparky4> it is just not there*
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3064[20:57:53] <jmcnaught> sparky4: the legacy 304xx drivers are
not in buster
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3066[20:59:00] <dvs> but the 340 are
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3067[20:59:12] <sparky4> i need 304
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3068[20:59:40] <dvs> for what card?
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3070[20:59:59] <sparky4> nvidia Geforce 6200 FX
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3073[21:01:17] <sparky4> how can i down grade to stretch again?
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3074[21:01:27] <Tenkawa> ,v
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx
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3075[21:01:28] <judd> Package:
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx on amd64 -- jessie/non-free:
304.137-0~deb8u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 304.137-5~bpo9+1;
stretch/non-free: 304.137-5~deb9u1; sid/non-free: 304.137-7
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3078[21:01:39] <sparky4> !
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3079[21:01:45] <greycat> sparky4: maybe you should just continue
booting the stretch *kernel* and leave the rest alone
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3081[21:02:00] <Tenkawa> thats as new as it gets
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3082[21:02:32] <sparky4> i tried that
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3083[21:02:43] <Tenkawa> bummer
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3084[21:02:52] <sparky4> i installed the stretch version of the
package
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3085[21:03:04] <sparky4> on buster and it dose not work
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3089[21:05:17] <sparky4> how can i down grade to stretch again??
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3091[21:05:34] <jmcnaught> sparky4: you cannot downgrade, only
reinstall. What about using nouveau?
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3093[21:06:21] <greycat> I'm very confused by "just
boot the stretch kernel" "i tried that; i installed the
stretch version of the package; on buster and it dose not work"
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3095[21:07:02] <greycat> To me it sounds like you tried something
VERY different from just booting the same stretch kernel package
that you were booting before the upgrade, which should still be
there
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3101[21:08:32] <sparky4> i did boot to it
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3102[21:08:38] <sparky4> it fails
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3116[21:16:57] <sparky4> i added stretch repository
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3117[21:17:11] <sparky4> updated installed the old 304xx packages
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3118[21:17:18] <sparky4> and tested and it failed
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3121[21:18:32] <MetalHeads2> Test
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3125[21:19:11] <karlpinc> sparky4: What happens if you switch to
the free drivers?
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3126[21:19:51] <karlpinc> sparky4: (If you rely on the
proprietary drivers, eventually support stops.)
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3130[21:20:30] <sparky4> what is the package i use to switch
over?
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3133[21:21:10] <sparky4> what is the name?
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3138[21:21:15] <annadane> update-alternatives --config glx
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3139[21:21:23] <annadane> switch to "mesa-diverted",
reboot
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3141[21:21:47] <annadane> that being said, nouveau is garbage,
though no fault of their own
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3142[21:21:47] <sparky4> ok
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3148[21:23:38] <Ede|Popede> what's their problem? nvidia
being too cooperative?
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3152[21:24:38] <sparky4> no x
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3153[21:24:41] <sparky4> no x11
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3162[21:27:57] <annadane> sparky4, be a little more specific?
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3164[21:28:38] <sparky4> i cannot start X11 because it is looking
for the nvidia driver
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3165[21:29:20] <karlpinc> annadane: There is backhistory above.
He upgraded, the nvidia driver for his card is not available for the
new kernel.
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3166[21:29:41] <sparky4> she*
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3167[21:30:20] <jmcnaught> sparky4: if you want to switch back to
nouveau you should check for /etc/X11/xorg.conf and files in
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as well as look for a file that blacklists
nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/
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3168[21:30:30] <sparky4> okie
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3170[21:30:52] <jmcnaught> sparky4: if those files exist just
move them somewhere safe for now
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3177[21:35:33] <sparky4> it's ok
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3178[21:35:44] <sparky4> i will use the nvidia driver installer
thingy
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3184[21:38:14] <jmcnaught> sparky4: make sure you have the dkms
package installed first, so the nvidia installer will integrate with
it and you won't need to go through this again when there is a
kernel ABI upgrade
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3209[22:03:40] <bionade24> How can I solve this? grub-install:
error: relocation 0x4 not implemented yet
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3210[22:04:39] <acitripper> post the line
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3211[22:04:43] <acitripper> you'r running please
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3212[22:05:03] <acitripper> seems that you'r not passing the
correct parameters
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3213[22:06:12] <bionade24> acitripper: grub-install
--target=x86_64-efi ---efi-direcotry=/boot/efi --recheck
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3216[22:06:54] <bionade24> acitripper: It's a known Bug
replaced-url
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3217[22:07:06] <HeXiLeD> after upgrading to buster i get this
error
replaced-url
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3218[22:07:09] <greycat> then maybe ask #grub
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3219[22:07:21] <acitripper> have you patched it?
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3220[22:08:07] <bionade24> acitripper: In a chroot environment I
don't have any devtools yet, of course, so no.
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3221[22:08:16] <bionade24> greycat: Will move to grub
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3223[22:09:19] <acitripper> bionade24, if it's a well know
bug patch it
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3224[22:09:22] <acitripper> an rebuild grub
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3225[22:09:27] <acitripper> by your own
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3226[22:09:41] <acitripper> HeXiLeD, first configure your locate
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3227[22:09:59] <acitripper> second: run $apt --fix-broken install
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3228[22:10:03] <acitripper> then retry
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3229[22:10:05] <acitripper> and let me know
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3232[22:11:44] <HeXiLeD> locale -a shows that it is set.
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3233[22:12:04] <greycat> locale -a shows you all the POSSIBLE
locale settings, not the current one
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3234[22:12:32] <acitripper> then check which are the gst
installed packages
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3235[22:12:39] <greycat> locale with no arguments shows you the
current settings
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3236[22:12:45] <acitripper> seems that it's installed, have
you insralled something by hand?
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3237[22:13:15] <HeXiLeD> not that io remember.
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3238[22:14:12] <HeXiLeD>
replaced-url
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3240[22:15:33] <acitripper> have you tried doing a purge?
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3241[22:15:47] <noln> where is libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0
version 1.10.4-dmo2 coming from? There is no such version in Buster
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3242[22:15:58] <greycat> !dmo
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3243[22:15:58] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
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3244[22:16:06] <greycat> it's right there in the version
string
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3245[22:16:27] <acitripper> dpk -P gstreamer-bad or apt-get purge
gstreamer*
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3247[22:16:31] <acitripper> dpkg*
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3248[22:16:34] <noln> And the Buster version does not have the
conflicting file that's causing the APT failure.
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3250[22:16:51] <acitripper> as i suspected there some mixed
versions there
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3251[22:16:54] <acitripper> cough
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3252[22:17:27] <HeXiLeD>
replaced-url
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3253[22:17:46] <HeXiLeD> sorry empty link
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3254[22:18:24] <HeXiLeD>
replaced-url
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3255[22:18:48] <noln> ah, so it's a differnet repo. What
about this:
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3256[22:18:50] <noln> !dmm remove
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3257[22:18:50] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from
deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian
repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends
$(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial
Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm
repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f;
install the still missing packages which were removed in the former
process ...
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3258[22:18:52] <acitripper> purge gstreamer*
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3259[22:19:03] <bionade24> It really annoys that Debian takes so
long for a simple patch
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3260[22:19:11] <acitripper> my god... they love !
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3261[22:19:24] <acitripper> !suck
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3262[22:19:24] <dpkg> hmm... suck is an NNTP client for pulling
articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local
news server
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3264[22:19:57] <acitripper> bionade24, do it at your own and
commit it
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3265[22:20:08] <acitripper> bionade24, i agree and i have
discussed about before
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3266[22:20:24] <bionade24> acitripper: I'll do it.
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3267[22:20:34] <acitripper> like for spectre or systemd... at
least this doesn't compromise security
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3268[22:20:51] <HeXiLeD> problem remains
replaced-url
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3270[22:20:54] <bionade24> acitripper: But makes it impossible to
install
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3271[22:21:07] <acitripper> you can build a package
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3273[22:22:21] <acitripper> try installing gstreamer versions
that recommends there
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3274[22:22:23] <bionade24> acitripper: But not every user can,
they'll be helpless and use another Distro wich already has
(Probably Fedora & Manjaro, Arch definately)
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3276[22:22:52] <somiaj> debian is a frozen system. Something like
this might be in a point release fix though.
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3283[22:25:40] <HeXiLeD> not possible to install the packages
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3290[22:26:58] <HeXiLeD> which package contains libwebkit2gtk
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3294[22:27:44] <greycat> apt-cache search libwebkit2gtk
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3295[22:27:48] <malade_mental> hi, i'm struggling with the
nftable conversion of my server's iptable rules
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3296[22:28:20] <malade_mental> I used the default way to convert
the rules that were working flawlessly, and this doesn't work
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3299[22:29:28] <malade_mental> the idea is just to forward the
port 8081 to a machine in the subnetwork, this machine has it's
port open, and is listening on it, but when I nmap -sT the server,
it doesn't show the port as open
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3303[22:32:44] <HeXiLeD> no solution. even trying to remove the
packages manually works.
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3304[22:32:51] * HeXiLeD takes a break from the problem
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3305[22:34:19] <karlpinc> malade_mental: FWIW I always debug by
specifying ports with telnet, and possibly tcpdump on both ends to
be sure that what I think is happening is really happening.
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3308[22:35:15] <malade_mental> karlpinc: that's what I do
with nc ;)
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3309[22:35:54] <malade_mental> I just don't want to re-learn
everything from scratch by reading the nftable manual!
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3310[22:35:55] <karlpinc> malade_mental: If you want help with
rules, you have to show the rules. (See the <paste> factoid.)
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3315[22:36:55] <karlpinc> malade_mental: nftable seems actually
sane. (Nice to read, like ferm rules.) iptables was always painful.
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3316[22:37:03] <malade_mental> that was my next message karlpinc
replaced-url
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3317[22:37:24] <malade_mental> (sorry for the dirty text file :/)
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3319[22:38:00] <malade_mental> (i'm not complaining about
nftables at all 8° )
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3324[22:39:38] <malade_mental> (my only problem is with port 8080
(tproxy) that doesn't redirect to 192.168.42.10)
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3329[22:42:22] <NetTerminalGene> my debian want to
"autoremove" these packages. how can i fix it?
replaced-url
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3330[22:42:27] <malade_mental> ok I think the iptable conversion
to nftable is just not working with my conf
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3332[22:43:40] <malade_mental> it work now
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3333[22:43:47] <malade_mental> when I start from scratch
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3335[22:45:48] <malade_mental> thanks anyway karlpinc you rock as
timmy in south park
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3348[22:55:31] <blackflow> timmeh!
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3356[22:59:12] <bionade24> What should I do when there is a
important bugfix in a package version which is only available on
sid? Copy it from there or build it with stable deps?
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3358[22:59:19] <greycat> !ssb
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3359[22:59:20] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install
build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source
packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation
options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid
see <uupdate>.
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3363[23:00:44] <dob1> how can I setup env variables for user
nobody ?
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3365[23:01:04] <greycat> dob1: what are you *actually* trying to
do?
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3368[23:02:14] <greycat> There is no generalized mapping of user
IDs to environment variables. Env vars are only created by processes
that decide to create them. And "nobody" should not be
logging in, so it should not be picking up env vars from login(1) or
equivalent.
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3370[23:02:43] <greycat> In fact there should not BE any
processes running as user "nobody" at all.
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3373[23:03:19] <greycat> wooledg:~$ ps -fu nobody
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3374[23:03:19] <greycat> UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
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3375[23:03:19] <dob1> greycat, on openvpn I have client-connect
somescript (not bash) , so it execute this script when a client
connect. openvpn runs on nobody user. the script fails because
JAVA_HOME env is not set
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3377[23:03:39] <greycat> export JAVA_HOME inside your script.
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3380[23:04:02] <dob1> greycat, no, I can't. it doesn't
run because JAVA_HOME is not set
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3381[23:04:11] <dob1> it has to be set before the script run
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3382[23:04:37] <greycat> You don't have permission to edit
the script? Make a copy of it somewhere you CAN write to, and edit
it there, and have client-connect run your modified copy instead of
the original one.
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3384[23:05:22] <dob1> greycat, it's a groovy script. groovy
is a scripting language but it can run only if java-home is set
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3386[23:05:41] <greycat> Well, have fun with whatever that is.
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3393[23:08:37] <NetTerminalGene> my debian want to
"autoremove" these packages. how can i fix it?
replaced-url
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3395[23:09:10] <NetTerminalGene> but i want to remove unnecesarry
packages
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3401[23:12:48] <karlpinc> dob1: Write a wrapper script that sets
the env var and runs your script.
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3402[23:12:49] <frewsxcv> anyone happen to know why mysql-client
isn't available in buster?
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3403[23:13:06] <dob1> karlpinc, I did it, I wrote an sh script
that initialize the variables
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3404[23:13:13] <dob1> and launch my script
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3406[23:13:20] <dob1> but now it doesn't work for another
reason :)
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3407[23:13:36] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: it looks like
you're missing some/all of the GNOME meta-packages and possibly
others. Honestly I would just install the task-gnome-desktop package
(if you want to use GNOME) and not worry about a few dozen megabytes
used by packages you don't use.
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3408[23:14:43] <karlpinc> dob1: (Probably want to
"exec" your script.)
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3410[23:14:50] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: if you upgraded to
buster then python3.5 is obsolete and can go, the qemu packages were
probably pulled in by something you were using before, maybe
gnome-boxes or virt-manager?
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3411[23:15:00] <dob1> karlpinc, what you mean?
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3412[23:15:15] <jmcnaught> frewsxcv: Debian switched from mysql
to mariadb for stretch
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3413[23:15:17] <somiaj> frewsxcv: debian uses mariadb, not mysql.
In stretch they were transtiional packages, now in buster, just
install maraidb packages
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3415[23:15:37] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, i just upgraded to
buster
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3416[23:16:33] <frewsxcv> somiaj jmcnaught: cool, thanks for the
info!
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3417[23:16:38] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: you probably at one
point removed a package that removed the task-gnome-desktop package,
and all these other gnome related packages that were installed
automatically are no longer depended on by anything. Installing
task-gnome-desktop is the simplest thing to do.
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3420[23:17:22] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, i scare to brick my
system
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3421[23:18:10] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, it looks like it is
already installed
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3423[23:19:14] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: oh, if
task-gnome-desktop is already installed than those GNOME related
packages must be obsolete. You can check if "aptitude search
'?obsolete'" lists them
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3425[23:19:28] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: obsolete just means
that the package is no longer available in the repos
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3431[23:20:48] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: I didn't see any
packages in your list that if removed would prevent booting.
There's no 'linux' or 'grub' or
'systemd' or 'libc6' so I don't think you
have much to worry about, worst case is you reinstall some stuff
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3432[23:20:50] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, some are available in
repos
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3433[23:20:55] <dob1> I will take a look tomorrow :)
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3436[23:21:26] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: do you have
recommends disabled?
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3438[23:21:53] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, i don't know
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3445[23:23:47] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: some look like
transitional packages, like gnome-tweak-tool (see its description)
which is replaced by gnome-tweaks
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3447[23:24:34] <NetTerminalGene> there is also
gnome-themes-standard which is in repo
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3449[23:25:15] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: read
gnome-themes-standard description, it says it's a transitional
package that can be removed
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3453[23:26:33] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, there is also
libreoofice and qemu. i installed qemu
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3455[23:26:54] <NetTerminalGene> and i think libreoffice is
default gnome package
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3457[23:27:38] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: when I upgraded to
buster it also removed some GNOME and libreoffice packages, but I
still have GNOME and libreoffice. As long as task-gnome-desktop is
installed you will still have a functional GNOME desktop
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3459[23:28:05] <NetTerminalGene> hmm...
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3461[23:28:47] <NetTerminalGene> jmcnaught, you think i should do
autoremove?
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3462[23:29:08] <jmcnaught> NetTerminalGene: yes I think it's
safe, and if you find that something is missing afterwards then just
install it then.
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3464[23:29:24] <karlpinc> "aptitude search
'~o'" or "aptitude remove '~o'"
(or purge) is the recommended thing to do to get rid of obsolete
packages.
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3466[23:30:22] <karlpinc> It is always a little spooky to see
things "go away", but the functionality always seems to
stick around so....
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3467[23:30:30] <jmcnaught> Not all of those are obsolete, some
just are not depended on by the gnome meta-packages anymore like
brasero
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3468[23:30:48] <karlpinc> I haven't been reading the
backhistory.
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3469[23:30:57] <jmcnaught> And some are transitional packages
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3470[23:31:02] <NetTerminalGene> anyways. thanks guys. gotta go
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3473[23:31:23] <vadear> Has anyone installed the latest
linux-libre supplied by jxself? I did but uname -a tells me:
4.19.58-gnu #1.0 SMP Tue Sep 27 12:35:59 EST 1983 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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3474[23:31:35] <vadear> Look at the date: Sept 27 1983
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3476[23:32:29] <vadear> The time on my laptop's BIOS and on
GNU/Linux is the correct one. Fri July 12 2019
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3477[23:33:14] <jhutchins_wk> That's the date the kernel
thinks it was compiled.
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3478[23:33:27] <jmcnaught> vadear: whoever built that kernel has
some time travel problems, but it's not a Debian kernel.
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3480[23:33:29] <jhutchins_wk> Obviously oops - but not Debian.
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