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63[00:25:21] <init7> Hi there could someone helps me my vps doesn't recieve DATA from anywhere how I may enable to be public to all !!! HELP
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68[00:27:14] <somiaj> you can check if your network is configured, ip a, but as for details about the network you may want to contact yoru vps provider.
69[00:27:16] <petemc> init7: if there is no firewall running a service configured to listen on externally available interface should be enough
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72[00:28:29] <init7> somiaj: petemc I don't know I can connect my VPS just through VNC :O
73[00:28:44] <petemc> so what doesnt work?
74[00:29:23] <init7> petemc: nothing my webpages everything is down :O
75[00:29:34] <init7> petemc: Can't connect via SSH nothing
76[00:30:01] <themill> is ssh installed?
77[00:30:06] <init7> petemc: I can't even ping from the server like ping google.com or anyip doesn't respond nothing
78[00:30:21] <init7> themill: Yeah SSH Plesk everything it was running idk what happend :O
79[00:30:33] <themill> plesk? you're on your own
80[00:30:47] <themill> !plesk
81[00:30:47] <dpkg> Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. replaced-url
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83[00:33:22] <init7> themill: replaced-url
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115[00:53:58] <donald> I downloaded guest additions in a linux guest system to share a folder between host and guest systems. When I go in distant viewer -> preference, then I see a windows folder sharing but I can not select any folder. Can I share my files by this way ir must I add a filesystem without the distant viewer?
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195[01:15:43] <iodot> any suggestions on what to use to operate my phone from my desktop debian. mainly to reply to text messages and make calls.
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378[02:56:08] <jim> hi, any new kernels defending against spectre and/or meltdown? or any news?
379[02:57:04] <oerheks> for ubuntu, testing kernels are released a hour ago, replaced-url
380[02:57:41] <oerheks> someone noticed performance decrease by 20% or so
381[02:57:51] <dvs> jim, replaced-url
382[02:58:04] <oerheks> oops, i am in debian :-D
383[02:58:45] <dvs> !lart oerheks
384[02:58:45] * dpkg does a little 'dpkg -P oerheks' action
385[03:01:04] <oerheks> dvs, sorry, i followed jim in ##linux, hence my mistake
386[03:02:10] <jim> dvs, thanks
387[03:02:18] <jim> I'll look :)
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426[03:21:55] <peterpacz1> Hello. This question is about PGP (GPG), but I'm not sure where else to ask. If I want to share my public keys, should I share the public key signatures as well?
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429[03:22:23] <peterpacz1> If so, should I share all the subkey signatures that come with it? I have a master key with certify, and 3 subkeys for sign, encrypt, and authenticate.
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433[03:24:40] <dvs> peterpacz1, I think you just have to share your public key. The signature is derived from the key (I think)
434[03:24:48] <peterpacz1> Ah, okay. Thank you.
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436[03:25:05] <dvs> np
437[03:25:25] <peterpacz1> I ask because Richard Stallman's GPG key webpage has that additional information in the form of signatures:
438[03:25:26] <peterpacz1> replaced-url
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449[03:32:09] <daxkuq[m]> Howdy, gurus! What are the nice Firewall apps?
450[03:32:48] <dvs> iptables-persistent is good enough for me.
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454[03:35:23] <daxkuq[m]> dvs: I will check it out, thanks!
455[03:35:43] <dvs> ???
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457[03:35:55] <dvs> oh, no problem
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461[03:37:48] <daxkuq[m]> dvs: Any comment on Opensnitch and Douane?
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463[03:38:13] <dvs> daxkuq[m], never used them
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465[03:39:06] <daxkuq[m]> dvs: Crystal clear. Thank you! 🙂
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505[04:04:21] <X|H> Hello7! I installed pyrit using python build and install with the setup script it came with. I want to remove it now. I tried apt-get purge pyrit and apt-get uninstall pyrit with no luck. What am i doing wrong here?
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511[04:07:21] <X|H> Solved it. Should have taken 2 second to think before typing. Ty.
512[04:07:27] <dvs> X|H, if you installed it manually, there's no way that apt-get can uninstall it for you. You have to use the scripts that installed it to uninstall it.
513[04:08:16] <X|H> dvs ty
514[04:08:23] <jesus_juice_21> hi
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519[04:11:54] <dvs> !ask
520[04:11:54] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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625[05:08:09] <Shmam> Hi, I just installed updates on my computer through the software center. They have caused lots of issues with my grahics. No animations work anymore (switching desktops, opening the application launcher, scrolling on pages has lots of vertical tearing). Here's all of the packages that were updated int he last 24 hours: replaced-url
626[05:08:10] <Shmam> 42/. How can I revert some of them to the old versions?
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630[05:11:38] <Shmam> Please send help
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708[06:19:04] <egoist_no_21> hi
709[06:19:09] <egoist_no_21> two passwd files in /etc is normal?
710[06:20:17] <somiaj> you mean passwd and passwd-
711[06:20:23] <egoist_no_21> yes
712[06:20:41] <somiaj> a backup version afiak
713[06:20:53] <egoist_no_21> ok thx for info
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731[06:33:34] <Lyberta> hi, what can prevent application shortcut from showing up in menu?
732[06:33:40] <Lyberta> I'm using MATE
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734[06:34:11] <Lyberta> I've just installed an app but its shortcut is not shown
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738[06:37:23] <somiaj> Lyberta: where did you install this application from?
739[06:37:50] <somiaj> only applications that supply .desktop files that the mate menu recongizes will be put in the menu
740[06:39:56] <Lyberta> somiaj, from synaptic, I see its .desktop file in /usr/share/applications
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744[06:40:59] <somiaj> could be an issue with how the .desktop file is configured, you would have to look at it deeper to try to figure out what the issue is.
745[06:41:27] <epicmetal> Some .desktop files have OnlyShowIn
746[06:41:34] <epicmetal> e.g. OnlyShowIn=GNOME
747[06:42:04] <epicmetal> But yeah, what somiaj said.
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749[06:43:48] <Lyberta> epicmetal, nope, no OnlyShowIn
750[06:44:18] <somiaj> the mate menu defintitino only picks up applications that put them selves in predefined sections, you'll have to say compare that desktop file to one that you know shows up and look for differences
751[06:44:22] <Lyberta> I think I had this app already installed a few years ago but then I uninstalled, but I didn't mess with menu
752[06:44:22] <somiaj> there are lots of configuration options
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910[08:21:04] <shtrb> dpkg, learn "cannot restore segment prot after reloc:Operation not permitted" after an upgrade from strech to buster - you need to remove any package that was kept back
911[08:21:05] * dpkg smacks "cannot restore segment prot after reloc:Operation not permitted" after an upgrade from strech to buster - you need to remove any package that was kept back over the head with a 20 lbs thesaurus.
912[08:21:13] <shtrb> perfect!
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915[08:21:47] <shtrb> I hope it will save time to some other person in the future
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922[08:22:39] <themill> shtrb: that's not how it works.
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928[08:22:54] <shtrb> :-( , what is the correct verb for dpkg ?
929[08:22:56] <shtrb> sorry
930[08:23:11] <themill> foo is bar
931[08:23:26] <themill> where 'foo' needs to be something that people know
932[08:23:38] <themill> the bot isn't actually sentient
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935[08:24:00] <shtrb> dpkg, 'cannot restore segment prot after reloc:Operation not permitted' is 'you need to remove any package that was kept back'
936[08:24:01] <dpkg> shtrb: I think you lost me on that one
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942[08:25:09] <shtrb> themill, I tried with 'foo' is 'bar' but it does not seem to work either :-(
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949[08:29:55] <themill> shtrb: no quotes. I doubt anyone will remember that 'foo' however
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953[08:30:18] <shtrb> It's there error which you get :)
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984[08:53:39] <foxmask> bonjello
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986[08:54:24] <nix64bit> foxmask: :)
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1008[09:03:52] <epicmetal> How is it that no package owns /etc/network/interfaces? I thought it'd be a conffile
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1022[09:07:55] <themill> epicmetal: there are lots of unowned files. Sometimes it's better that things are not conffiles as that can make upgrades more tricky
1023[09:08:55] <jelly> it does not make a lot of sense for a file that's usually manually edited to be a conffile
1024[09:09:10] <jelly> eg: dpkg -S /etc/apt/sources.list
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1026[09:10:59] <epicmetal> Ok. I'm probably making assumptions based on Red Hat
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1037[09:17:37] <Gekko_> I'm on Ubilinux that's based on debian 9. It's running on an embedded device with USB based network adapters that have varying device names. The system seems to use connman, and I'm now wondering what the current method is to define a system wide, global dns address like /etc/resolv.conf of old
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1040[09:18:12] <Gekko_> I've tried to change connman so it starts with --nodnsproxy, but seemingly it still overwrites /etc/resolv.conf
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1046[09:19:38] <Gekko_> Those USB network adapters seem to not work with connman's DNS resolution. Doing nslookup just shows 192.168.0.1 for every address (when I do this with an ethernet cable plugged in, somehow that still works even though nslookup shows that IP)
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1050[09:20:02] <jelly> !ubilinux
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1052[09:20:20] <shtrb> Gekko_ , some usb ethernet adapters have captive portal and a type of MITM
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1057[09:21:14] <shtrb> "the devices that you plug a sim card not the actual Ethernet to usb port"
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1059[09:21:27] <jelly> Gekko_: you'll have to ask your OS vendor for the right way they expect nameservers to be configured
1060[09:21:33] <Gekko_> I see
1061[09:22:06] <jelly> but yeah, that sounds a bit like a captive portal
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1065[09:24:31] <shtrb> Isn't conman a package for serial interfaces ?
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1073[09:25:08] <jelly> ,i connman
1074[09:25:09] <judd> Package connman (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: Intel Connection Manager daemon. Version: 1.33-3+deb9u1; Size: 380.6k; Installed: 1148k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1076[09:25:21] * jelly shrugs
1077[09:25:36] <shtrb> I had a typo :)
1078[09:25:42] <shtrb> ,i conman
1079[09:25:43] <judd> Package conman (comm, optional) in stretch/amd64: serial console management program. Version: 0.2.7-1+b1; Size: 117.1k; Installed: 386k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1081[09:26:32] <Gekko_> It's the first I heard of it
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1092[09:29:14] <shtrb> Gekko_, at least you can create /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/nodnsupdate and update dhclient.conf
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1098[09:30:55] <Gekko_> Already had a prepend rule in dhclient, will add that nodnsupdate one
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1101[09:31:33] <shtrb> dpkg, nodnsupdate is you can setup a dhclient hook named nodnsupdate to prevent /etc/resolv.conf overwrite by dhclient
1102[09:31:34] <dpkg> okay, shtrb
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1105[09:32:12] <notadrop> what's the best way to have bluetooth turned off (but not disabled) on boot? I'd like to be able to toggle it on from the gui and not have to start bluetooth.service
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1108[09:32:33] <shtrb> notadrop , why don't you it to be turned off ?
1109[09:32:41] <notadrop> shtrb: ?
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1111[09:33:17] <notadrop> I don't understand the question, could you rephrase it
1112[09:33:23] <shtrb> notadrop , what exactly do you wish to gain ? no discovery ? not answering connection ? device RF up but no deamon running ? etc
1113[09:33:47] <notadrop> shtrb: mainly the first two things you mentioned
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1115[09:34:05] <notadrop> no discovery not answering connection
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1119[09:36:53] <shtrb> no discovery can be setup under /etc/bluetooth/main.conf (with a non zero but very low value) but maybe there is a better way
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1121[09:37:35] <shtrb> Maybe set autoEnable=false ?
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1128[09:40:50] <notadrop> shtrb: that sounds promising, I'll try that
1129[09:41:24] <shtrb> but that is not that good idea (powerconsumption && privacy) wise
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1133[09:43:39] <shtrb> notadrop, but the DE's may auto enable it
1134[09:44:15] <notadrop> shtrb: most of the values in here are set to default values, but the autoenable one was changed. maybe the DE did that?
1135[09:44:38] <notadrop> actually, all of the other ones are set to defaults
1136[09:44:53] <shtrb> I doubt it
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1138[09:45:28] <notadrop> then that must just be the default for bluetooth in debian
1139[09:45:29] <shtrb> this file is not owned by root
1140[09:45:35] <shtrb> perhaps
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1142[09:45:55] <shtrb> but you can disable it, restart and check with a bluetooth client or a scanner
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1163[09:53:18] <Gekko_> Well I managed to make the resolv.conf work: I edited /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/connman_resolvconf.conf, removed the + from the symlink line, replaced /etc/resolv.conf with a non-symlink
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1165[09:53:30] <Gekko_> Probably not the most stable solution but now all the network devices work regardless of what they are called
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1174[09:57:32] <RoyK> Gekko_: you can set dns-nameservers and dns-search in /etc/network/interfaces
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1177[09:58:08] <Gekko_> already had them
1178[09:58:13] <Gekko_> Didn't seem to do anything
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1200[10:10:29] <DK21> cannot start xinit <- giving up
1201[10:10:37] <DK21> after migration of the harddrives to another desktop
1202[10:10:46] <DK21> is it drivers missing here?
1203[10:10:52] <shtrb> DK21 , which error ?
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1208[10:11:32] <DK21> could not insert 'nvidia_" could not find module smth like that
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1216[10:15:01] <notadrop> sounds like a drivers thing
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1228[10:20:56] <DustyDin1o> hm, debian testing kernel is still vulnerable to meltdown/spectre?
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1230[10:20:58] <DustyDin1o> 4.14.7
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1232[10:21:10] <DustyDin1o> any idea, when this is going to be patched?
1233[10:21:12] <nix64bit> my nvidea graphics died, i had to load an earlier version of debian and re-update
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1241[10:23:18] <svetlana> when i plug in speaker jack, in alsamixer, the speaker is muted and headphone is enabled instead
1242[10:23:44] <svetlana> why? where is this configured?
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1244[10:24:32] <notadrop> I used alsamixer when I used arch, and I had some weird issues like that
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1249[10:26:31] <svetlana> i am now asking at #alsa, the channel topic happened to enlighten me on the meaning of this acronym. what a find.
1250[10:27:02] <shtrb> svetlana , I believe it's the default behavior the might be setup with pavucontrol
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1252[10:27:58] <babilen> DustyDin1o: That's why you don't run testing alone, but in a mix with unstable and pull in packages as you see fit
1253[10:28:01] <babilen> dpkg: tum
1254[10:28:02] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
1255[10:28:22] <babilen> DustyDin1o: There's also a testing/unstable channel called #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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1270[10:34:52] <DK21> but it says i just cannt load the module and quits
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1287[10:39:51] <shtrb> DK21, you might need to check your logs to get more information , did you change something recently ? (was it working before and now not working anymore or are you trying to setup the nvidia cardfirst time ) ?
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1312[10:50:29] * jordila1 upgrading Debian JEssie >> Stretch , here ...
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1314[10:51:01] <jordila1> May i update "deb replaced-url
1315[10:51:34] * jordila1 ... (Desktop PC) i think ^^ it is used for getting lattest Firefox-ESR ...
1316[10:51:43] <jordila1> I guess, yes...
1317[10:51:44] <somiaj> read the release notes for best practices in upgrading. One is to not use a backports source during the upgrade. YOu can add stretch-backports after
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1321[10:51:55] <shtrb> you should , but I think you shouldn't use ftp sources
1322[10:51:59] <jordila1> nice to know somiiaj
1323[10:52:18] <somiaj> the latest firefox-esr is in stretch from secuirity, you don't need stretch-backports for that.
1324[10:52:33] <jordila1> nice to know somiaj
1325[10:52:57] <somiaj> jordila1: also as shtrb pointed out ftp.debian.org is a poor mirror, use deb.debian.org
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1328[10:55:19] * jordila1 great... so just commenting / removing the backports line... && replacing 'jessie >> stretch', and 'ftp. >> deb.' should do the job
1329[10:55:30] <somiaj> and read the release notes
1330[10:56:06] <shtrb> jordial, there things that changed and you might be blocked ! read the release notes
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1334[10:57:59] * jordila1 just to double check...
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1336[10:58:35] <jordila1> umh, does my new (Stretch) sources.list look stable ? :
1337[10:58:36] <jordila1> replaced-url
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1348[11:03:24] <superuser> ha dumb'
1349[11:03:32] <shtrb> ?
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1355[11:06:29] <superuser> your frivolity in essence is you and your up-hence will come
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1365[11:12:07] * jordila1 of course not... decent sources.list ^^ , let's ammend it
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1411[11:37:38] <ben25> hello
1412[11:37:53] <gpunk> hello
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1417[11:39:21] <ben25> i can't acces to the console with ctrl-alt-f1, i'm not sure why
1418[11:39:29] <ben25> is ther anything i can try?
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1422[11:40:52] <gpunk> it s taken by another X session , try ctrl-alt f3
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1476[11:59:42] <ben25> nah same, and same for f2
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1478[12:00:12] <ben25> it actually kind of freze the screen, i do need to ctrl+alt+f7 to use my x back
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1482[12:02:16] <FinalX> is Debian joining the coordinated patch day tomorrow for "Spectre" (CVE-2017-5715 & CVE-2017-5753)? I see that "Meltdown" (CVE-2017-5754) is already fixed in stretch.
1483[12:02:53] <FinalX> Ubuntu seems to release it tomorrow, along with Microsoft for the rest of the Windows base.
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1487[12:06:44] <jordila1> oh, i've got '# uname -a Linux i-ching 3.16.0-4-amd64 ' after upgrading to Stretch , what am i missing ?
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1489[12:07:39] * jordila1 .. ah... maybe after reboot, i'll get the latest Kernel, stupid of me
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1491[12:09:46] <FinalX> hehe
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1503[12:12:17] <TonyVanDam> testing 1...2...testing!
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1506[12:13:33] <jordila> umh... ^ ^ well, it happened. Really. I've got 9.3 Stretch after dist-upgrade... while '$ uname -a
1507[12:13:34] <jordila> Linux i-ching 3.16.0-4-amd64 ' i'm puzzled. What am i missing ?
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1510[12:14:48] <wrksx> hey gusy
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1513[12:15:24] <wrksx> how can I get some information about a specific kernel upgrade content ?
1514[12:15:39] <TonyVanDam> does anyone know if Sid gotten "better"? Or should I just stay with Testing until further notice?
1515[12:16:03] <D_Cent> hi, i've got a question about the PTI patch for debian stretch - i have upgraded to the kernel which should be safe now (4.9.65-3+deb9u2), but in /proc/cpuinfo i still don't have "cpu_unsecure" and PTI is not active. setting pti=on also does nothing
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1525[12:19:55] <TonyVanDam> Later!
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1529[12:20:50] <colo-work> D_Cent, that will only appear in Linux 4.15 proper
1530[12:20:56] <colo-work> (it's not being backported afaict)
1531[12:21:25] <colo-work> D_Cent, you can issue `dmesg | fgrep isolation` after you reboot to see what it's set to
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1536[12:22:55] <D_Cent> colo-work: Aah thank you!
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1550[12:28:43] <babilen> D_Cent: Look for "Kernel/User page tables isolation: enabled" in the kernel look and "grep CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION /boot/config-$(uname -r)" -- assuming that gets you the config of the currently running kernel
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1553[12:28:51] <babilen> s/look/log :)
1554[12:29:06] <bw\> this might get asked a lot, but i couldn't find anything online, will/is there a backport for meltdown for jessie?
1555[12:29:16] <babilen> There will be, yes
1556[12:29:22] <bw\> awesome :)
1557[12:29:27] <babilen> ETA is unknown, but ASAP
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1559[12:29:51] <babilen> wheezy (3.2) has it, stretch (4.9) and unstable (4.14) has them
1560[12:30:01] <bw\> yeah, i found replaced-url
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1562[12:30:07] <babilen> indeed
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1568[12:31:41] <bw\> otoh i could use the opportunity to upgrade the stretch, i guess
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1572[12:32:06] <babilen> That would be a very reasonable thing to do
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1577[12:33:52] <D_Cent> babilen: thank you, that's an even better solution :)
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1609[12:44:02] <TomyWork> W: The repository 'replaced-url
1610[12:44:13] <TomyWork> did the repo format change between wheezy and stretch?
1611[12:44:27] <TomyWork> deb replaced-url
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1613[12:44:39] <TomyWork> that line works in wheezy but doesn't work in stretch
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1616[12:45:25] <slax0r> you did change out "wheezy" in the line, dod you not?
1617[12:45:29] <slax0r> did*
1618[12:45:46] <TomyWork> i actually changed it to wheezy to make sure i have exactly the same line in both
1619[12:45:58] <TomyWork> similar error in both cases
1620[12:46:22] <TomyWork> (just with stretch instead of wheezy)
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1625[12:48:30] <TomyWork> i'll see if i can get tcpdump installed somehow to see which urls it tries to query
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1627[12:48:45] <TomyWork> hah, i'll just tcpdump on the apt-cacher
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1631[12:51:14] <TomyWork> huh, no request arriving at the target? that's odd
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1647[12:56:57] <TomyWork> apt picked up http_proxy... works now
1648[12:57:09] <TomyWork> i added no_proxy
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1659[13:02:12] <ashka> hello, is there going to be an updated 3.16 kernel for oldoldbackports?
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1661[13:03:03] <TomyWork> 3.16 is from 2014
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1664[13:04:15] <ashka> which is not the point, oldoldstable got an updated 3.2 and I was wondering about 3.16 from oldoldbackports
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1666[13:04:31] <themill> likely
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1668[13:05:16] <ashka> alright, thanks
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1676[13:07:25] <wrksx> when trying to install the package firmware-linux-nonfree aptitude wants to remove libev4, I don't get why
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1679[13:07:56] <wrksx> Is there a way to get to know why ?
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1698[13:13:05] <themill> ashka: actually, wheezy-backports seems to be a closed repo, so probably not. You could probably get the kernel directly from jessie but perhaps now is the time to upgrade to a supported release
1699[13:13:07] <TomyWork> wrksx aptitude has been deprecated with, i think, wheezy
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1701[13:13:25] <TomyWork> i think it's not tracking changes made with apt-get and apt properly anymore
1702[13:13:38] <wrksx> TomyWork: okay, so with apt-get I got the same thing
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1707[13:13:46] <TomyWork> that is odd
1708[13:13:49] <ashka> themill: yeah, the upgrade has been postponed for a while but I need to manage it soon, thanks
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1710[13:13:56] <TomyWork> wrksx which release?
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1712[13:14:23] <wrksx> TomyWork: it says: libev4 was automatically installed and not needed anymore after sudo apt-get install --dry-run firmware-linux-nonfree
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1714[13:14:34] <wrksx> TomyWork: that's on Wheezy
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1716[13:14:55] <TomyWork> wrksx maybe it was needed for the previous version of firmware-linux-nonfree?
1717[13:15:02] <TomyWork> check dpkg -s firmware-linux-nonfree
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1720[13:15:14] <wrksx> TomyWork: It wasn't installed before
1721[13:15:21] <TomyWork> that is odd
1722[13:15:26] <TomyWork> are you sure? ^^
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1724[13:15:56] <TomyWork> i mean by default, apt-get install shouldnt remove packages, except to resolve conflicts
1725[13:16:25] * jordila has got 9.3 Stretch ... but is keeping uname -a Linux i-ching 3.16.0-4-amd64 (1)
1726[13:16:29] <wrksx> TomyWork: Yeah it just says it's not needed but it won't remove it until I use apt-get autoremove
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1729[13:16:41] <wrksx> TomyWork: Is this what you expected
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1732[13:16:50] <TomyWork> yes
1733[13:16:59] <TomyWork> wrksx so it's a leftover from before
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1735[13:17:12] <TomyWork> nothing to do with that firmware package
1736[13:17:18] <wrksx> TomyWork: Ah makes sense
1737[13:17:33] <TomyWork> or possibly it was installed with aptitude and it didnt flag it properly
1738[13:17:34] <jordila> Newbie here, I'm lost... ^^ how can i get 9.3 Stretch but keeping uname -a Linux i-ching 3.16.0-4-amd64 ?
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1740[13:17:49] <TomyWork> like i said, aptitude is deprecated, use at your own risk :)
1741[13:17:53] <wrksx> TomyWork: Do you know how I can use aptget to check if libev4 is currently requiered by something ?
1742[13:18:07] <wrksx> TomyWork: I'll stop using it right now =)
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1744[13:18:27] <TomyWork> wrksx if it was require, it wouldnt say it can be removed
1745[13:18:32] <TomyWork> +d
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1748[13:19:49] <olebrom> TomyWork: is aptitude deprecated ? ... and I love it when it comes to investigate dependensies... So now it's only recommended to use pure apt-get ?
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1757[13:22:52] <TomyWork> olebrom or so i heard
1758[13:23:42] <themill> aptitude isn't deprecated, it just doesn't work for upgrades between releases at the moment
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1763[13:24:26] <TomyWork> themill and it often starts up with uninstalls pre-selected
1764[13:24:36] <TomyWork> at least it used to for a while
1765[13:24:40] <TomyWork> was that fixed?
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1767[13:26:09] <themill> it's only ever doing what it was asked to do
1768[13:26:12] <TomyWork> yeah, on my ubuntu 14.04, aptitude says #Broken: 2 and suggests to keep 3 packages
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1770[13:26:21] <TomyWork> right when i start it up
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1776[13:27:33] <TomyWork> "Actions -> Cancel pending actions" fixes it, but it's still annoying and doesn't really make the tool look trustworthy :)
1777[13:27:41] <TomyWork> i mean trusty
1778[13:27:51] <TomyWork> pun crowbared in
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1783[13:30:17] <olebrom> TomyWork: I think You have made selections/actions in aptitude, which You don't have performed. When You quit aptitude saves them internally, without any effect on the main «apt-get».
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1786[13:30:51] <TomyWork> olebrom nope, that's not what happened
1787[13:30:59] <TomyWork> as evidenced by the #Broken: 2
1788[13:31:20] <olebrom> TomyWork it was only a suggestion.
1789[13:31:33] <TomyWork> you have to take extra effort to get aptitude into a broken state :)
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1794[13:32:27] <olebrom> I can easly get aptitude into broken state, but then resolv the broken dependensies before a make perform the action.
1795[13:34:03] <olebrom> But when I do dist-upgrade the resolving in aptitude get to complicated, so then I use plain "apt-get dist-upgrade" several times.
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1804[13:38:37] <TomyWork> hmm, well on stretch i cant reproduce it right now
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1812[13:41:12] <olebrom> TomyWork: I have both amd64 and i386 active, so I can make a package conflict between those to in some of the libraries (most have separate locations so for those both will install).
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1816[13:42:34] <rich> hi. what is be best strategy for someone following testing (and wants to continue do that) but does want the security update speed of stable? should i include stabe in my apt sources and pin the affected package(s)?
1817[13:42:34] <TomyWork> i mean i cant reproduce aptitude starting in a dirty state
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1820[13:43:08] <TomyWork> rich whatever you do, dont mix releases
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1826[13:44:10] <rich> TomyWork: so then what I said is a bad idea? what else should I do?
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1833[13:48:21] <TomyWork> rich install a stable distribution on a production system
1834[13:49:04] <TomyWork> and put your non-production systems behind a good firewall so that only you can access them
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1837[13:49:33] <rich> im talking more about my day to day use computer.
1838[13:50:08] <TomyWork> ah
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1840[13:50:14] <TomyWork> well use a stable system
1841[13:50:24] <rich> that's the only tip you have :D
1842[13:50:44] <TomyWork> it's a tautology actually. use what exists
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1844[13:51:39] <TomyWork> if you need something from the bleeding edge, there are plenty of options these days
1845[13:51:45] <TomyWork> vagrant, docker
1846[13:52:10] <rich> not an option for me.
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1848[13:52:49] <TomyWork> do you actually need anything from testing?
1849[13:53:30] <rich> still don't get why it's not recommended to include stable and testing in apt sources and prefer for all packages the testing version but in cases of meltdown pin that package to stable.
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1851[13:53:45] <TomyWork> maybe themill can explain that in more detail :)
1852[13:53:57] <themill> hm?
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1854[13:54:03] <TomyWork> he wants to mix releases
1855[13:54:54] <rich> just in times like these with mealtdown. it doesn't feel right to wait the 10? days till it gets patched in testing
1856[13:55:05] <SirLagz> rich: Meltdown is already patched in stable
1857[13:55:07] <themill> rich: packages in stretch security have lower version numbers than in testing; even if they would work with the libraries in stretch, apt wouldn't install them.
1858[13:55:33] <rich> SirLagz: I know.
1859[13:55:36] <themill> rich: if you're running testing you should consider adding unstable to your sources.list and use appropriate pinning to pick up security updates.
1860[13:55:39] <rich> themill: hmm :(
1861[13:55:41] <SirLagz> rich: and the wait time was more like 2 days.
1862[13:55:46] <themill> if that sounds like too much work, don't use testing.
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1867[13:56:54] <rich> themill: no that would be okay. so using testing and unstable. and pin the still vulnerable package (in testing) to unstable
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1873[13:57:56] <rich> themill: and this would lead to no problems with dependecy versions?
1874[13:58:33] <bsdnoob> has there been a patch released yet?
1875[13:58:35] <themill> if a package is caught in amongst a transition, then you won't be able to install the new version until the transition is complete
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1877[13:58:56] <SirLagz> bsdnoob: patch for meltdown/spectre?
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1879[13:59:04] <bsdnoob> SirLagz, yes
1880[13:59:19] <bsdnoob> I don't expect it for spectre yet
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1882[13:59:27] <rich> SirLagz: replaced-url
1883[13:59:41] <SirLagz> bsdnoob: what rich pasted.
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1889[14:01:17] <bsdnoob> why is buster still unpatched :(
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1891[14:01:47] <SirLagz> bsdnoob: ah, yes only Meltdown is patched.
1892[14:01:56] <SirLagz> bsdnoob: spectre is still unpatched as of y et
1893[14:02:11] <bsdnoob> yeah upstream is still struggling with it
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1897[14:05:29] <jelly> bsdnoob: there are no promises of security updates for testing.
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1899[14:05:51] <bsdnoob> jelly, they patched sid
1900[14:06:05] <jelly> bsdnoob: so use a testing unstable mix.
1901[14:06:11] <themill> bsdnoob: replaced-url
1902[14:06:19] <jelly> !tum
1903[14:06:20] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
1904[14:06:23] <jelly> !debian-next
1905[14:06:23] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1906[14:06:46] <bsdnoob> huh I get
1907[14:06:46] <bsdnoob> Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)
1908[14:06:48] <jelly> testing is for TESTING stuff, it's not a debian with newer packages
1909[14:07:05] <jelly> if you use it as "newer debian" you should be aware of all the caveats
1910[14:07:11] <themill> *headdesk*
1911[14:07:22] <jelly> bsdnoob: you didn't read the factoid
1912[14:07:35] <bsdnoob> wtf is factoid?
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1915[14:07:43] <jelly> what dpkg said for "debian-next"
1916[14:07:59] <jelly> read it. again. to the end.
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1918[14:08:27] <bsdnoob> whoops
1919[14:08:35] <SirLagz> lol
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1921[14:08:56] <jelly> if ONLY we had foresight to add that info to the channel topic!
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1925[14:09:26] <SirLagz> jelly: still wouldn't help.
1926[14:09:36] * jelly knows.
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2013[14:45:55] <V7> Hey all :)
2014[14:46:15] <V7> So if I'm installing package like: "apt install mysql-server" and it installs package "mysql-server-5.7", so now this means that it asks debconf for question of "mysql-server-5.7" ?
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2023[14:50:25] <FinalX> ew, I just upgraded 4 machines from jessie to stretch (with the latest kernel, too), and 1-2 minutes after first boot, the machine just rebooted itself with no warning or anything in the log. then after that crash, everything worked just fine and the machines are now up for 3+ hours without any issue. weird.
2024[14:50:56] <V7> FinalX: check for meltdown
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2026[14:51:45] <TomyWork> V7 mysql-server is probably a virtual package
2027[14:51:55] <V7> What do you mean ?
2028[14:52:00] <V7> It's like a link ?
2029[14:52:04] <TomyWork> !virtual
2030[14:52:04] <dpkg> from memory, virtual is when you can see it, but its not there, as opposed to hidden, where you can't see it, but it is there, when its gone, then you can't see it and it isn't there. a model of reality, in a handy carrying case, or <virtual package>, or <virtualization>.
2031[14:52:09] <TomyWork> !virtual package
2032[14:52:10] <dpkg> A virtual package doesn't really exist, but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) providing a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To determine what provides a foo virtual package, use "aptitude search '~Ppackagename'" or "/msg judd rprovides foo".
2033[14:53:12] <FinalX> V7: that's the thing, that latest kernel in stretch that it's running since the reboot (both with the normal boot and the crash+reboot after) has that fixed already
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2035[14:53:49] <V7> FinalX: you might fixed your backdoor
2036[14:53:53] <V7> Thank you TomyWork
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2039[14:54:26] <TomyWork> V7 it's extremely unlikely that someone has already exploited his particular box
2040[14:54:28] <FinalX> V7: I don't follow, that makes zero sense.
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2043[14:55:10] <FinalX> It makes no sense, because if what you say is true, it'd already been fixed after the initial reboot into stretch. It wouldn't have rebooted if an outside party decided to.
2044[14:55:10] <troulouliou_div2> hi if i want to create an old iso like 6.x with jigdo what mirror can i use for the pool of debs ?
2045[14:55:14] <FinalX> It crashed.
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2047[14:55:59] <V7> TomyWork: you know ... there's a good russian words: be safe and god will bless ya ... so just ... it's a points because it's "impossible" to know was it threated or not
2048[14:56:05] <colo-work> FinalX, check replaced-url
2049[14:56:10] <colo-work> ah, sorry
2050[14:56:14] <colo-work> troulouliou_div2, I meant you
2051[14:56:17] <V7> s/points/point
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2053[14:56:59] <troulouliou_div2> colo-work, thanks
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2056[14:57:54] <TomyWork> V7 i don't think there's a god, so that means nothing to me. regardless, you exclude the likely causes before moving on to the less likely causes
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2061[14:58:51] <V7> Hm. Might be a good point.
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2085[15:10:55] <bbear> hi
2086[15:11:02] <bbear> I got kernel panic after reboot
2087[15:11:13] <bbear> using 2 crypted volumes (one for /, the other for /home
2088[15:11:17] <bbear> I'm running debian testing
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2117[15:18:07] <FinalX> ok, another machine suddenly rebooted as well after jessie => stretch upgrade, in the middle of a libc upgrad ewith dist-upgrade. now my package lists are gone to hell, any easy way to recover a backup locally?
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2119[15:19:19] <vape_jesus_juice> Hi
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2123[15:19:46] <FinalX> ah, fixed it, nvm
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2172[15:43:04] <in1t3r> anyone had an issue of udev not recognising net interfaces in the new 4.14 kernel?
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2199[15:56:26] <in1t3r_> how to check whether the hardware network interfaces are actually dead integrated ones? I will probably trying to boot eother debian or gentoo from the usb as from last reboot in arch my integrated card is not recognised. No ethernet nor wifi.
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2202[15:56:34] <in1t3r_> SO I'm using external card
2203[15:56:49] <in1t3r_> lspci do not recognise them
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2205[15:57:59] <darxmurf> cool tool :-) replaced-url
2206[15:58:14] <troulouliou_div2> in1t3r_, it is a desktop pc ?
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2208[15:58:43] <darxmurf> in1t3r_: when you say "does not recognise them" it means you can't see it at all ?
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2238[16:11:26] <wrksx> I've got the package libev4 on my system and I have another package installed that depends on it
2239[16:11:57] <wrksx> but apt-get -s autoremove wants to get rid of libev4
2240[16:12:09] <somiaj> what package depends on libev4?
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2242[16:12:21] <wrksx> percona xtrabackup
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2244[16:12:45] <somiaj> I do not see either percona or xtrabackup in the repos.
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2246[16:13:03] <wrksx> percona-xtrabackup, it's from percona repo
2247[16:13:04] <somiaj> did you install these through debian's package system or some other package/local compile?
2248[16:13:16] <wrksx> somiaj: I've installed it from percona's repo
2249[16:13:18] <somiaj> so you are asking about why some thrid party repo's package doesn't have its depends setup correctly?
2250[16:13:29] <wrksx> somiaj: not really but kinda
2251[16:13:43] <somiaj> Debian is not the place to report bugs in thrid party repos, but you can use apt-mark to set that package as manual if you really need to keep it installed
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2254[16:14:42] <wrksx> somiaj: my issue is apt-get identify percona-xtrabackup as dependent on libev4, but want's to remove it anyway. I used to use aptitude, and I think soemthing might have gone wrong
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2256[16:15:19] <somiaj> if libev4 is wanting to be removed by autoremove, this means you have no installed packages that depend, recommend, or suggest libev4.
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2259[16:16:40] <somiaj> If these thrid party packages are supose to depend on this lib, maybe they have an issue with their control file setting up the depends correctly. The easy fix is just make that package a manual install. But any issues/bugs with these thrid party packges should be reported to their creator.
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2261[16:17:27] <wrksx> somiaj: I understand. The thing is when I use "apt-cache --installed rdepends libev4" it says "Reverse Depends: percona-xtrabackup"
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2265[16:18:57] <wrksx> somiaj: I'm not trying to raise an issue but to understand what makes apt think that package is not needed even though an installed package depends on it
2266[16:18:57] <somiaj> it could be a version issue on the depends. Look at the actual packages depends
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2269[16:19:25] <wrksx> somiaj: you mean like aptget depends percona-xtrabackup
2270[16:19:26] <wrksx> ?
2271[16:19:46] <somiaj> I mean look at the actual package that is causing the problem, mostly its control file
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2273[16:20:03] <somiaj> what is the actual control field of percona-xtrabackup.
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2275[16:20:35] <wrksx> somiaj: You just lost me. I have no idea what's the control field of a package
2276[16:20:56] <wrksx> ok you said control file not field
2277[16:21:05] <wrksx> I'm goin to look into that
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2279[16:21:11] <somiaj> !bat
2280[16:21:11] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2284[16:21:45] <wrksx> somiaj: okay thx
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2286[16:21:50] <somiaj> basic info you should be looking at, but #debian doesn't really support thrid party packages, so you need to look through this info to try to figure out why the dependencies are not working as expected, which my guess has something to do with this third party repo
2287[16:22:23] <somiaj> apt show will show you control file info
2288[16:22:29] <wrksx> somiaj: indeed this is the only non debian package and the only one causing issue
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2291[16:25:00] <wrksx> somiaj: hum the show command doesn't show any depedency on libev4, maybe an 'undirect' depedency
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2406[17:09:28] <Janni> Hello.
2407[17:09:38] <goatish> hi
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2410[17:10:03] <Janni> A quick scripting question. I want to use "less -S" in a shell script, but it doesn't seem to work properly. Whenever the output is short I don't get to see anything.
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2412[17:10:37] <Janni> Does anyone know why? When I paste the script directly into my shell it works fine.
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2417[17:11:05] <jelly> Janni: do you call the script from an interactive shell with a terminal as well?
2418[17:11:21] <Janni> I do. But I have to retract my last statement.
2419[17:11:34] <Janni> (The one before "I do." :-p)
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2421[17:12:02] <jelly> okay, because less needs a tty
2422[17:12:44] <Janni> OK, boiled it down to: echo muh | less -F
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2425[17:13:34] <Janni> I assumed that less would behave like `cat` if everything fitted into one screen.
2426[17:13:50] <Janni> s/less/less -F/
2427[17:14:03] <gpunk> anyone used: pam_fprint ?
2428[17:14:34] <Janni> Anyone know how force less to cat?
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2431[17:14:48] <Janni> (imparsable for any non-computer person)
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2441[17:18:07] <Janni> Found the answer: replaced-url
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2443[17:18:20] <somiaj> wrksx: apt rdepends will search through the whole repo, maybe there are multiple versions of the package on this third party repo, and only some versions depend on libev4
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2446[17:18:42] <Janni> (less -FX)
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2448[17:19:45] <FinalX> heh replaced-url
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2450[17:19:56] <wrksx> somiaj: somehow the repo was not working correctly, some issue with the key check
2451[17:20:33] <wrksx> somiaj: I've reseted it up following the instructions on percona's website and the depedencies are now ok
2452[17:20:49] <wrksx> somiaj: and apt get no longer wants to remove thepackage =)
2453[17:21:03] <wrksx> somiaj: thanks for your help
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2502[17:42:47] <Janni> Another shell scripting question: How can I filter out empty lines from a pipe? In doing so I want to consider lines containing only control characters as empty.
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2510[17:44:49] <SirLagz> Janni: using grep?
2511[17:45:10] <FinalX> grep -v '^$'
2512[17:45:37] <jstolarek> can anyone point me to documentation for installing a custom-built kernel without replacing kernel provided by Debian? I want to be able to chose kernel at boot in GRUB
2513[17:45:44] <FinalX> or you could instead grep every line that *has* something.
2514[17:45:56] <SirLagz> jstolarek: do you know how to compile the kernel?
2515[17:45:58] <Janni> I have rows which show in "less" as "ESC[2mESC[m".
2516[17:46:21] <Janni> I never know what to make of these strings, i.e. where to look them up.
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2518[17:47:03] <jelly> Janni: maybe tell less to interpret them and see what they do? -r
2519[17:47:26] <Janni> jelly: "ESC[2mESC[m" shows an empty line.
2520[17:47:43] <jstolarek> SirLagz: I believe so
2521[17:47:52] <jstolarek> ie. I just compiled one
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2527[17:49:02] <jelly> jstolarek: just put the kernel and initrd and modules in the right place, and run update-grub
2528[17:49:40] <SirLagz> jstolarek: if you've compiled it from Debian sources, then IIRC `make install` will put everything in the right spots for you...
2529[17:49:51] <SirLagz> I could be wrong though, it's been a while since I've had to compile my own kernel
2530[17:49:57] <jstolarek> SirLegz: I built from upstrem, ie. kernel.org
2531[17:50:04] <SirLagz> jstolarek: ah k. yeah do it all manually
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2533[17:50:28] <jelly> it won't replace the distro kernel, unless you went out of your way to make the ABI equal to 4.9.0-5-amd64 or whatever's the current distro one
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2535[17:50:47] <jstolarek> jelly: I'll try, give me a few minutes
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2537[17:51:02] <jelly> jstolarek: or better, use "make deb-pkg" with an upstream tree to make installable .deb packages.
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2539[17:51:40] <Janni> Found the answer: These are ANSI CSI sequences.
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2541[17:51:55] <jstolarek> jelly: according to docs that I found this will replace existing kernel
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2543[17:52:33] <jstolarek> and since I'm only learning how to build my kernel I'm not risking
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2549[17:56:25] <jelly> jstolarek: only a package with the exact same name will replace another package. If your custom package does not have the same name, but it happens to contains some exact same paths it will fail to install.
2550[17:57:06] <jelly> jstolarek: you may have misinterpreted the docs, or they may be incomplete or just wrong
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2558[18:01:37] <jstolarek> jelly: sorry, perhaps I wasn;t clear. My understanding was that installing new kernel package will replace *grub entry* for stock debian kernel
2559[18:02:04] <jstolarek> anyway, trying a reboot now
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2570[18:05:38] <jstolarek> jelly: it semi-works. I can boot the new kernel but it has become the default one
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2574[18:06:56] <jstolarek> not exactly what I wanted since the config is obviously broken and the kernel does not boot :-)
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2587[18:15:46] <MuffinMedic> Hello. I have a package I want to install that I found on packages.debian.org/sid/ - however, when I do "apt install package" it says not found. How can I install it through apt?
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2589[18:15:59] <SirLagz> MuffinMedic: you don't. to install deb files, you need to use dpkg.
2590[18:16:09] <MuffinMedic> Oh thx
2591[18:16:13] <SirLagz> MuffinMedic: why are you trying to install the sid version rather than the stable version though?
2592[18:16:21] <MuffinMedic> i dont think there is a stable version
2593[18:16:26] <SirLagz> MuffinMedic: what package?
2594[18:16:32] <MuffinMedic> nnn
2595[18:16:56] <jelly> jstolarek: configuration of boot loader is left as an exercise for the reader
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2598[18:17:25] <SirLagz> MuffinMedic: ah, seems you are correct, there is no stable version.
2599[18:17:53] <SirLagz> MuffinMedic: Installing sid/testing packages into stable isn't recommended though, so proceed with caution.
2600[18:18:07] <jelly> MuffinMedic: do not install packages from sid onto your stable release installation. Instead, tell us which package you need and we can suggest alternative approaches.
2601[18:18:09] * jstolarek performs the exercise
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2603[18:18:27] <MuffinMedic> I want this. replaced-url
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2605[18:18:39] <jelly> ,v nnn
2606[18:18:40] <judd> Package: nnn on amd64 -- buster: 1.6-1; sid: 1.6-1
2607[18:18:57] <jelly> ,checkbackport nnn
2608[18:18:58] <judd> Backporting package nnn in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 11).
2609[18:19:00] <MuffinMedic> I'm on Debian 9.2 FWIW
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2611[18:19:30] <iodot> any good software i can use to manage my phone? mainly texting and calling
2612[18:19:39] <jelly> MuffinMedic: you seem to be out of luck, it's not easily rebuildable for debian 9 platform
2613[18:19:52] <jstolarek> ugh, I hate GRUB2. I miss the old days where I could just manually edit grub configuration :(
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2615[18:19:58] <SirLagz> jstolarek: you still can
2616[18:20:02] <jelly> ,v debhelper
2617[18:20:03] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.20120909; jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 10.2.5~bpo8+1; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 11~bpo9+1; buster: 11; sid: 11.1.2
2618[18:20:07] <SirLagz> jstolarek: the changes just won't persist after you run update-grub again
2619[18:20:23] <jstolarek> SirLagz: that's not w very satisfying state of affairs
2620[18:20:23] <MuffinMedic> Drats, thanks.
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2624[18:20:58] <SirLagz> jstolarek: you shouldn't need to manually edit the grub configuration though
2625[18:21:14] <jelly> MuffinMedic: it might build if you install debhelper from stretch-backports, and then take care of other build dependencies, but there will be some manual work, not as simple as
2626[18:21:16] <jelly> !ssb
2627[18:21:16] <SirLagz> jstolarek: I don't think there's been a case where I've actually had to modify the grub config to get my system running
2628[18:21:16] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2629[18:21:47] <MuffinMedic> jelly: not worth it, but thank you
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2632[18:22:12] <jstolarek> SirLagz: perhaps it is me doing something wrong - I'm far from being a knowledgable user of GRUB2
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2635[18:22:23] <SirLagz> jstolarek: depends on what you're trying to do
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2638[18:23:11] <jstolarek> SirLgaz: a seemingly simple thing. I'd like to have three grub entries: default for the stock kernel, my custom kernel and windows bootloader
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2641[18:23:31] <jstolarek> at the moment I can have:
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2643[18:23:33] <SirLagz> jstolarek: and update-grub doesn't generate it?
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2645[18:23:45] <jstolarek> not exactly in a way I'd like it to be
2646[18:24:11] <jelly> MuffinMedic: use upstream's deb package for debian 9, then, I guess
2647[18:24:17] <jstolarek> it generates a default entry that boots my custom kernel, a submenu that allows me to select one of two kernels and an entry for windows
2648[18:24:19] <jelly> hopefully it's not too broken
2649[18:24:27] <MuffinMedic> No worries jelly - I'll pass on the package. I'd prefer to keep the it 100% stable
2650[18:24:50] <SirLagz> jstolarek: I see
2651[18:24:56] <jstolarek> SirLagz: now, I can select as the default the stock kernel in the submenu
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2653[18:25:10] <jstolarek> but this makes selecting windows bootloader a bit inconvenient
2654[18:25:18] <jstolarek> since I have to leave the submenu first
2655[18:25:27] <jstolarek> which is kind of annoying
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2658[18:25:48] <jstolarek> especially that what I'm trying to achieve seems like a fairly simple use case
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2660[18:26:02] <SirLagz> jstolarek: unfortunately that's beyond my Grub2 knowhow too. sorry
2661[18:26:23] <SirLagz> jstolarek: perhaps #grub?
2662[18:26:39] <jstolarek> yes, that might be a good idea
2663[18:26:40] <mtn> jstolarek: the arch wiki has an excellent section on grub and configuring it
2664[18:26:41] <monstr0> MuffinMedic: It looks like they have deb package for Debian 9 (stretch) here: replaced-url
2665[18:26:45] <jstolarek> but not today :-)
2666[18:26:56] <jstolarek> mtn: ah right, I completely forgot about that
2667[18:27:03] <MuffinMedic> ohhh good catch monstr0
2668[18:27:06] <jstolarek> I'll check it out before asking on #grub
2669[18:27:13] <jstolarek> thanks everyone for their help
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2693[18:37:05] <iodot> any good software i can use to manage my phone from my debian desktop? mainly texting and calling
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2702[18:40:03] <jelly> iodot: what kind of phone? I think kdeconnect and its android app cam do texting
2703[18:40:26] <jelly> can*
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2715[18:41:52] <Tarrasquero> hi
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2731[18:49:40] <iodot> jelly: thanks ill check it out
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2764[19:07:51] <V7> Hey all :)
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2768[19:08:04] <V7> The situation: as you could see here: replaced-url
2769[19:08:05] <FightingFalcon> hi V7
2770[19:08:21] <V7> So how is it possible to pass this prompt by default ?
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2775[19:11:36] <jelly> V7: can you find this question in «debconf-get-selections|grep phpmyadmin» output?
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2778[19:13:14] <V7> jelly: I think no: replaced-url
2779[19:13:22] <V7> As you can see there's nothing about deconfigure
2780[19:13:24] <jelly> if you can find it you ought to be able to preseed an answer
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2786[19:13:40] <V7> ought ?
2787[19:13:54] <jelly> should be able
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2790[19:14:44] <jelly> V7: phpmyadmin/dbconfig-remove sounds like it, and the comment right before
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2792[19:15:38] <jelly> V7: btw, it's easier for me to point out things if you use text-based pastebin sites like paste.debian.net, not screenshots
2793[19:15:39] <warai_otoko> how can I make apt ignore hash sum mismatch?
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2795[19:16:04] <warai_otoko> tried aquire stuff, allow stuff, gzip/bz stuff
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2797[19:16:26] <warai_otoko> message stays the same: "hash sum mismatch"
2798[19:16:26] <V7> Thank you jelly I'll try now to set this one to true
2799[19:16:33] <jelly> warai_otoko: you can't.
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2801[19:16:54] <warai_otoko> when I browse the source in a browser I can see the packages
2802[19:17:02] <jelly> you can remove the affected repo from the config, or ask the repo provider to fix it
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2804[19:17:10] <warai_otoko> is there another way to download these?
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2806[19:17:24] <warai_otoko> repo provider is dead
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2809[19:18:12] <jelly> warai_otoko: you can download all the packages with a downloader tool like wget, and make your own repo
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2813[19:18:35] <warai_otoko> can I download the packages from the web source, collect them in a folder on my system and install what I like manually instead?
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2818[19:19:04] <FightingFalcon> How come apt-get packages are outdated?
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2821[19:19:33] <warai_otoko> no, this is a custom repo from a private URL
2822[19:19:58] <warai_otoko> like you share packages from your web space
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2825[19:20:32] <warai_otoko> but there's something seriously wrong with the gpg keys which is impossible for me to fix
2826[19:20:49] <warai_otoko> two options:
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2829[19:21:14] <warai_otoko> please, apt-get, ignore the keys for _this_ source
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2832[19:21:43] <warai_otoko> or, some tool where I type the URL and download anything that's available
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2835[19:22:16] <V7> jelly: Now it's asking for "Delete the database for phpmyadmin?"
2836[19:22:30] <jelly> if you trust their contents have not been tampered with
2837[19:23:18] <warai_otoko> despite that's pure paranoia IMHO it's a friend of mine
2838[19:23:25] <jelly> V7: and now you have an idea what to do with that
2839[19:23:54] <V7> Yes, but there's might be nothing looking like this question
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2842[19:24:17] <jelly> V7: I'm not going to read the screenshots again and hunt for a possible debconf key, you can do it on your own! I believe in you!
2843[19:24:50] <V7> jelly: replaced-url
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2846[19:24:59] <V7> ahahha
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2850[19:25:23] <jelly> V7: or you can hunt through the sources on sources.debian.org
2851[19:25:32] <V7> You know .. I've already "wasted" about ~2.5 hours to find out what's it
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2859[19:30:16] <jhutchins> jessie-backports has updated linux-image-amd64 to point to the 4.9.0-0bpo5
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2870[19:35:11] <jelly> V7: sources.debian.org says the text comes from dbconfig-common package, replaced-url
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2873[19:36:06] <V7> jelly: Hm, thank you I'll try to
2874[19:36:07] <jelly> V7: but that gives you a hint for the template name, Template: dbconfig-common/purge
2875[19:36:14] <V7> oh dear
2876[19:36:17] <V7> wait
2877[19:36:23] <V7> phpmyadmin has something like this
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2890[19:47:49] <in1t3r> what can be a issue when netwrk card is not recognised by the linux and udev?
2891[19:48:40] <mtn> in1t3r: does it show in lspci and/or lsusb?
2892[19:48:47] <in1t3r> after reboot damn cannot recongize anymore a card with ifconfig
2893[19:48:50] <in1t3r> nope
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2895[19:48:58] <mtn> in1t3r: it worked before in debian?
2896[19:49:10] <in1t3r> and I dont have custom rules setup.
2897[19:49:12] <in1t3r> yeap
2898[19:49:25] <mtn> in1t3r: sounds like a hardware problem. reset card, etc.
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2901[19:49:40] <in1t3r> how to do that?
2902[19:50:23] <in1t3r> what the best way to troubleshot this issue?
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2904[19:50:31] <mtn> in1t3r: open case, remove card. reset card
2905[19:50:41] <in1t3r> its laptop
2906[19:50:53] <in1t3r> not sure whether it soldered
2907[19:50:55] <mtn> in1t3r: usually it can still be accessed
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2909[19:51:05] <blackslide> reboot, check bios
2910[19:51:10] <in1t3r> and how would I reset it once I get it out
2911[19:51:17] <in1t3r> I checked bios
2912[19:51:25] <in1t3r> nothing there its hp
2913[19:51:36] <mtn> in1t3r: put it back in, is what I mean. make sure it has good connections
2914[19:51:44] <optraz> how do i install cuda version 9.0 using apt-get?
2915[19:52:06] <blackslide> what do you mean by network card: ethernet, or wifi?
2916[19:52:31] <blackslide> if it's wifi or 3g/4g, it's a separate card than can be removed/inserted
2917[19:52:46] <blackslide> Does the unit have a mechanical on/off switch
2918[19:53:06] <blackslide> there should be options in the BIOS, to enable/disable stuff
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2920[19:53:19] <blackslide> can you disable/enable the card from there
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2922[19:53:42] <blackslide> if it's wifi or 3g/4g you should be able to disable/enable it from bios
2923[19:53:53] <in1t3r> yeap now cable do not lit anymore
2924[19:54:01] <blackslide> if it's hp bios, maybe the settings are hidden etc
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2926[19:54:28] <in1t3r> you mean like a switch on laptop
2927[19:54:31] <blackslide> So is it ethernet? In, you plug a cable in?
2928[19:54:34] <in1t3r> yeah it have rfkill
2929[19:54:44] <in1t3r> no but I guess they are both on the same controler
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2932[19:54:56] <in1t3r> so Now the eth cabkle also do not lit
2933[19:54:57] <blackslide> I'm still not sure what you're having issues with
2934[19:55:10] <blackslide> ethernet or wifi, or both?
2935[19:55:20] <in1t3r> eth0 and wlano or their uniqe names do not appear in ifconfig
2936[19:55:23] <in1t3r> both
2937[19:55:29] <blackslide> that's weird
2938[19:55:31] <in1t3r> its the smae card I think
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2940[19:55:36] <blackslide> they are totally different devices
2941[19:55:42] <blackslide> usually not
2942[19:55:42] <in1t3r> I know
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2946[19:55:58] <blackslide> ethernet is usually integrated to the motherboard, wifi is a separate card
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2948[19:56:26] <in1t3r> I use external wifi now
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2950[19:56:28] <blackslide> what happened before reboot? upgrade? dist-upgrade? ??
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2952[19:56:35] <mtn> in1t3r: put the results of lspci -nn and lsusb on dpaste.com and give us the link
2953[19:56:47] <mtn> lets see if it sees it or not
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2968[20:00:36] <in1t3r> nothing special just a regular work
2969[20:00:38] <in1t3r> replaced-url
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2973[20:02:14] <mtn> in1t3r: and lsusb?
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2976[20:03:54] <in1t3r> replaced-url
2977[20:04:28] <mtn> in1t3r: did you switch kernels recently?
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2979[20:04:38] <in1t3r> no
2980[20:04:48] <mtn> in1t3r: sounds like failed hardware
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2984[20:07:44] <blackslide> weird that wifi and eth both fail at the same time...
2985[20:08:00] <blackslide> they usually are on different buses, and two different devices
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2992[20:11:04] <blackslide> but the system doesn't show wifi nor eth, so they are not recognized.
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2994[20:11:33] <blackslide> Troubleshooting bios would be my next step, maybe they are disabled there.
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2996[20:12:05] <blackslide> quite weird.. then again, I have no idea what computer this is on...
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2998[20:12:44] <somiaj> blackslide: they use to work but then stoped working?
2999[20:12:48] <somiaj> blackslide: what is the output of 'ip a'
3000[20:13:18] <blackslide> ^ in1t3r has the issue
3001[20:13:48] <blackslide> apparently everything was cherry and after a reboot, eth and wifi are dead
3002[20:14:32] <somiaj> ahh, I would look at any kernel upgrades between the last time things were rebooted and now.
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3004[20:15:05] <somiaj> but if they aren't showing up in lspci, lsusb or lshw, but use to, could be some issue with the firmware/hardware.
3005[20:16:56] <blackslide> I asked if any upgrades, etc was done. At least not by the user, maybe security updates ran the newest kernel patch or something...
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3036[20:26:41] <blackslide> umm, how does one mount sdcard inside an usb sdcard reader? lsusb says: Bus 002 Device 016 xxxx:xxxx Delkin Mass storage device
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3040[20:27:31] <jelly> blackslide: look at dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log) after you plugged it in, see which sd* device it presented
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3042[20:27:50] <somiaj> blackslide: check blkid and see if it assigned the partition/filesystem a device node
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3044[20:28:14] <blackslide> sd 6:0:0:0:
3045[20:28:20] <jelly> oh, that or lsblk might be easier, yes
3046[20:28:26] <blackslide> [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
3047[20:28:32] <egoist_no_21> hi
3048[20:28:49] <jelly> blackslide: ls -la /sys/block/ |grep 6:0:0:0
3049[20:29:12] <jelly> so it's /dev/sdb, then. If there's a partition on it it might be a /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb5
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3052[20:29:39] <blackslide> no /dev/sdb
3053[20:29:53] <blackslide> ls -la /sys/block/ shows it as sdb too...
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3055[20:30:03] <jelly> blackslide: di you also see sdb being disconnected after that?
3056[20:30:06] <jelly> do*
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3066[20:30:31] <blackslide> at least sudo mount /dev/sdb says: no medium found on /dev/sdb
3067[20:30:32] <blackslide> nope
3068[20:30:37] <blackslide> it's all there
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3070[20:30:52] <nkuttler> blackslide: cat /proc/partitions ?
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3073[20:31:07] <somiaj> you have to state both a device and a mount point, mount /dev/sdb will do nothing unless you have that in your /etc/fstab
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3075[20:31:22] <blackslide> if I remove the stick, then it says USB disconnect in dmesg
3076[20:31:29] <blackslide> yes
3077[20:31:34] <blackslide> I have /media/usbstick
3078[20:31:34] <somiaj> blackslide: did you tell mount where to mount the file system.
3079[20:31:37] <blackslide> yes
3080[20:31:47] <blackslide> sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/usbstick
3081[20:31:52] <blackslide> sorry for being short :D
3082[20:32:08] <somiaj> and there is no partition /dev/sdb1 only, /dev/sdb?
3083[20:32:13] <blackslide> it should be a fat32 fs
3084[20:32:24] <blackslide> lsblk doesn't find sdb
3085[20:32:29] <blackslide> only sda
3086[20:32:36] <blackslide> and loop012
3087[20:32:56] <somiaj> lsblk looks for filesystems, not just devices, for some reason it isn't seeing any partition or recongizeable file system on /dev/sdb
3088[20:33:24] <somiaj> does /dev/sdb have a partition table, 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb'
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3091[20:33:50] <blackslide> Media not found
3092[20:33:56] <jhutchins> Also check your dmesg to see what it thinks is being plugged in.
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3098[20:34:04] <blackslide> so apparenty it's fu'd..
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3101[20:34:29] <jhutchins> blackslide: Likely, but maybe udev is assigning a different name.
3102[20:34:34] <in1t3r> reset card didnt help
3103[20:34:38] <jhutchins> blackslide: dmesg will show.
3104[20:34:47] <blackslide> dmesg shows sdb
3105[20:35:04] <somiaj> in1t3r: can you see any of the network cards (or configs for them) in your firmware/bios?
3106[20:35:04] <blackslide> sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
3107[20:35:12] <V7> Which files we should remove to do not see this message when installing phpmyadmin ?: Reinstall database for phpmyadmin?
3108[20:35:36] <hiexpo> hello all I installed a new theme and love it but when I switch to Root I loose the them it seems like it goes back to system I am running debian jessie mate
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3112[20:35:54] <jhutchins> in1t3r: does rfkilllist show it?
3113[20:35:55] <V7> I mean, I've already executed these commands before installing phpmyadmin: apt purge phpmyadmin && apt purge mysql-server
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3115[20:36:22] <jhutchins> blackslide: So dmesg shows it being configured as sdb, but fdisk -l doesn't show it?
3116[20:36:24] <blackslide> when I unplug the usb sd card reader, it disconnects in dmesg and sdb disappears..
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3119[20:36:29] <ansh> exit
3120[20:36:31] <somiaj> hiexpo: easy fix, you shoudl'nt be running xorg as root in the first place.
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3124[20:36:45] <blackslide> fdisk -l says no media, lsblk only shows sda...
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3126[20:36:57] <somiaj> hiexpo: if you installed the theme as the user, it is in the users $HOME, root will have a different $HOME dir you have to copy the theme to.
3127[20:37:15] <jhutchins> blackslide: Paste the whole output of fdisk -l at paste.debian.net
3128[20:37:18] <somiaj> blackslide: are you sure the sd card is even good, has a filesystem on it? Do you have other cards you can test?
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3136[20:38:22] <blackslide> not much to paste
3137[20:38:39] <blackslide> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb: Media not found
3138[20:38:54] <blackslide> (well, says "Mediaa ei löydy") since it's in finnish
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3140[20:39:39] <hiexpo> somiaj, I don't run X as root normal but like whem i open synaptic etc.
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3146[20:40:09] <in1t3r_> you mean rf list wifi
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3148[20:40:15] <blackslide> it's an old nokia DT-11 USB > SD-card reader, and there's an SD > microSD adapter > 16GB microSD card
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3152[20:41:02] <in1t3r_> nope just showing phy0
3153[20:41:08] <in1t3r_> which is in this case usb
3154[20:41:20] <in1t3r_> It should show two interfaces
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3157[20:42:32] <jelly> blackslide: did this sd card ever work with this reader, in any OS?
3158[20:42:57] <jelly> if it's an old reader it might just not support newer cards properly
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3160[20:43:01] <blackslide> yes.. might it be, that the card is too big...
3161[20:43:03] <blackslide> yea
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3166[20:44:50] <blackslide> I'll try 2GB card once I find something to open my phones sim card tray :D
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3170[20:45:20] <glassresistor> so replaced-url
3171[20:45:41] <glassresistor> and how do i check to see what version is should be
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3174[20:46:19] <Iridos> there is a separate repository that distributes security fixes. It should be enabled on all machines. The fixed version is in there.
3175[20:47:00] <blackslide> brb
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3192[20:50:23] <deb_user> hello guys
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3197[20:51:32] <deb_user> what version of gnome uses debian?
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3201[20:52:07] <Iridos> judd, versions gnome-desktop
3202[20:52:08] <judd> No package named 'gnome-desktop' was found in amd64.
3203[20:52:25] <Iridos> judd, versions gnome
3204[20:52:26] <Iridos> meh
3205[20:52:26] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.22+7; sid: 1:3.22+7
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3207[20:52:43] <Iridos> ignore the 1:
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3209[20:53:04] <blackslide> just was going to say, stretch has 3
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3213[20:53:23] <Iridos> also, replaced-url
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3220[20:53:56] <blackslide> I've always used enlightenment or some of the really light ones... But Gnome 3 is quite nice with this touch-tab/laptop
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3223[20:54:21] <glassresistor> Iridos: this one? deb replaced-url
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3225[20:54:33] <Iridos> yes
3226[20:55:00] <Iridos> and different than the other ones, that one is not a mirror
3227[20:55:03] <blackslide> still haven't found out, how to automatically make the on screen kbd turn on/off when docking/undocking the tablet from the physical keyboard..
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3231[20:57:39] <blackslide> I really can't find a proper sized pin to open the darned tray.. but apparently I'm not missing any drivers, since the device gets recognized correctly and attaches to /dev/sdb..
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3233[20:58:43] <blackslide> probably just a case of corrupt card or reader has issue working with XHC SD cards
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3236[20:59:54] <blackslide> This Lenovo Helix is quite nice, but lacking in connectivity.. a tablet/laptop convertible without internal SD card reader is weird...
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3257[21:07:33] <blackslide> Does anyone have any ideas on how to make the on screen kbd appear when plugging the tablet into the keyboard/dock?
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3259[21:08:22] <blackslide> Docking/undocking is detected by the system by a few events
3260[21:09:00] <blackslide> ACPI sees BAT1: docking/undocking and thinkpad_acpi: docked into hotplug port replicator
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3262[21:09:30] <blackslide> could I use the events to trigger a change in accessibility settings: on screen kbd on/off?
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3276[21:14:12] <noqnio1> why is xserver-xorg-input-libinput preferred over xserver-xorg-input-synaptics on the wiki ?
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3279[21:15:28] <blackslide> replaced-url
3280[21:15:35] <blackslide> explained here
3281[21:16:26] <noqnio1> ty
3282[21:16:32] <blackslide> or not :D
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3284[21:16:41] <blackslide> I'm not sure if that totally answers your question :D
3285[21:16:51] <noqnio1> I didn't read it yet !
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3287[21:17:13] <noqnio1> Oh, so it refers to a specific issue
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3290[21:17:53] <blackslide> gnome control center uses libinput
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3292[21:18:13] <noqnio1> So if i install synaptics do i mess stuff up?
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3295[21:19:03] <blackslide> not sure, apparenlty you'll lose control over in it gnome control
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3298[21:19:19] <blackslide> but if you use another window manager, etc. then it might not matter
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3300[21:19:32] <blackslide> maybe someone is wiser than I am on this matter??
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3304[21:20:39] <noqnio1> You know what, maybe I should stick with libinput
3305[21:20:55] <noqnio1> I just wanted accelerated mouse scrolling
3306[21:21:03] <noqnio1> i can live without it
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3313[21:24:45] <roger_roger> have any of you been applying the patches to mitigate against spectre/meltdown?
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3315[21:25:11] <annadane> roger_roger, meltdown is patched in the new stable kernel
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3317[21:25:22] <annadane> spectre isn't known how to defend against yet
3318[21:25:33] <roger_roger> i'm running jessie with 3.16.0-4
3319[21:25:55] <roger_roger> i guess i should give it a whirl
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3321[21:26:11] <annadane> jessie isn't patched yet
3322[21:26:17] <roger_roger> great
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3325[21:26:29] <roger_roger> maybe i should upgrade then
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3331[21:28:37] <roger_roger> ugh, my xen 7.2 doesn't support stretch
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3335[21:30:21] <blackslide> umm, I'm fine with libinput, just missing pinch zoom..
3336[21:31:03] <blackslide> also, i have hid_multitouch enabled, but I've only got mouse like functionality, not multitouch
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3339[21:32:26] <blackslide> at least in chromium, you can change settings to mitigate the meltdown issue
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3343[21:33:58] <diamvw> Hello, is it safe generally to execute dist-upgrade from backports? Meaning this command "sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports dist-upgrade"?
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3351[21:42:20] <zerocool> anyone here use rear(relax-and-recover)?
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3369[21:50:17] <blackslide> muahah.. It's fun to dive into the shell scripts sometimes
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3371[21:50:48] <blackslide> "...FIXME: is this all right? Is this completely on crack?"
3372[21:50:49] <blackslide> lol
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3375[21:51:01] <iodot> kde is in fact a lot better than gnome now. who would have thought heh.
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3385[21:54:48] <blackslide> I've messed up things with running dist-upgrade
3386[21:54:50] <GregDonald> and xfce is better than all
3387[21:55:01] <blackslide> But then again, I'm messed up anyhow :D
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3393[21:55:21] <blackslide> oh, he left allready
3394[21:55:22] <blackslide> :D
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3397[21:56:26] <blackslide> enlightened was really cool back in the nineties.. It reminded me of AmigaOS somehow..
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3399[21:56:37] <blackslide> I meant, Enlightenment
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3403[21:57:47] <annadane> !chat
3404[21:57:47] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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3407[21:58:46] <GregDonald> guess i'm outa here, my debians all w0rk great :(
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3409[21:58:58] <blackslide> apparently wget is better than clicking on a link... I've downloaded FreeBSD CD image 3 times now and it fails to extract...
3410[21:59:12] <FightingFalcon> How come total of all the RES in top command is far more than total memory used in top command?
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3415[22:02:47] <jhutchins> FightingFalcon: man top might explain it.
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3427[22:05:50] <FightingFalcon> sigh
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3431[22:06:21] <rnewson> is the intention that folks use the jessie-backports 4.9 kernel if they need to remediate Meltdown now? I'm inferring the backport to 3.16 is proving troublesome?
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3434[22:06:43] <FightingFalcon> i didnt really understand it
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3436[22:07:20] <jhutchins> rnewson: Yes, backports 4.9.0-0bpo5
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3438[22:07:40] <rnewson> yup, I saw your push, thanks. have tested it, works well for me
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3440[22:07:56] <rnewson> jessie-security update is some time off or is this the answer?
3441[22:08:04] <capin> good afternoon, i'm used the following to `debootstrap` a lenny system, however I can't run `apt-get` in the chroot env.
3442[22:08:06] <capin> replaced-url
3443[22:08:51] <jhutchins> rnewson: This works now. Not sure what the plans are. I think it'll go to main in stable.
3444[22:09:04] <rnewson> super, thanks. that's all I needed to know
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3447[22:09:23] <rnewson> I've been using debian since the early 90's and this is the first time I've been in the IRC channel. Thanks for the prompt response.
3448[22:09:35] <pos> rnewson, potato
3449[22:09:48] <rnewson> I remember potato and sarge, yeah
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3451[22:10:02] <blackslide> heh, used to run those too :D
3452[22:10:25] <rnewson> me too, with fondness. especially loved that dist-upgrade actually works.
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3459[22:11:53] <Iridos> jhutchins, oh, where's that with the backport from?
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3461[22:12:56] <rnewson> replaced-url
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3469[22:17:20] <jhutchins> Iridos: jessie-backports has the new kernel, stretch security also has it.
3470[22:17:36] <FightingFalcon> i seriously want to know why total of all RES isnt equal to memory used in top?
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3472[22:17:52] <jhutchins> rnewson: Yeah, that got fixed.
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3474[22:18:12] <Iridos> how does one see that
3475[22:18:48] <rnewson> jhutchins: ? I think that's correct. I was responding to iridos who seemed to be asking where the backport with the KPTI patches was. it's the bpo.5 one right? I've installed that and dmesg corroborates.
3476[22:19:27] <Iridos> ah… but I didn't want to know where it is, just how you would learn that it's a valid fix…
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3478[22:20:09] <rnewson> aah, heh. I did it by installing it on a test node, checking /boot/config- for the PAGE_ISOLATION=y thing and checking dmesg for the 'isolation' message
3479[22:20:15] <Iridos> it makes sense that it's fixed if a new one was made recently, I guess… but only your question really made me aware to that…
3480[22:20:51] <Iridos> ah… yeah, well … not my method of choice :P
3481[22:21:03] <jhutchins> RES is The non-swapped physical memory a task has used. I suppose if it has used memory and released it, another task could use it.
3482[22:21:09] <rnewson> but I've been monitoring all the places I can find waiting for the jessie fix :)
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3485[22:21:47] <jimbzy> Iridos: replaced-url
3486[22:22:15] <Iridos> I'll touch YOUR sign
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3490[22:22:42] <blackslide> heh, how can I verify a sha256 signature?
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3492[22:22:51] <rnewson> Iridos: fyi I was also polling replaced-url
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3495[22:23:44] <Iridos> I see
3496[22:23:57] <blackslide> I mean, do I run sha1 CHECKSUM.SHA256 and then run sha1 FileToVerify.iso
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3498[22:24:22] <blackslide> and see if they are the same? or is there an utility that just verifies the two files?
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3502[22:25:21] <Iridos> CHECKSUM.SHA256 should contain just the string that sha256sum xxx.iso returns you
3503[22:26:03] <blackslide> I was just thinking that If I dl a lot of files, it would be nice to be ableto automate this
3504[22:26:33] <blackslide> sha1sum doesn't seem to have an option to do that.. like gpg can verify file<against>file
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3511[22:29:19] <Iridos> apt automates checksum checking for debian packages
3512[22:30:33] <blackslide> ah
3513[22:30:45] <blackslide> the syntax was wrong
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3515[22:31:09] <blackslide> sha256sum -c checksum.sha256-FileToVerify.iso
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3517[22:31:13] <blackslide> does the trick
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3525[22:35:11] <blackslide> I wonder how to extract an .xz file, tar -xfv gives: "File or directory not found" and gzip -dv :"unknown suffix -- ignored"
3526[22:35:39] <annadane> tar -jkfhfjbrhfjhcgbsfjhejgfjhcgbsfjghejfgjfgjehfgbejhfgjhfkwjekwjhduwgfjhbfjdhdujhjdgfj
3527[22:36:00] <blackslide> it's the FreeBSD image11.11....blah.iso.xz
3528[22:36:07] <blackslide> Oh, I forgot to try that :D
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3532[22:37:41] <Iridos> -f hast to come directly in front of the filename
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3536[22:38:30] <Iridos> you catenate the options and so can do tar -xvf file.tgz … still, the f has to be the last of those because f only works followed by a filename
3537[22:39:25] <blackslide> ah
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3540[22:40:20] <blackslide> apparently it dumps it to the same directory you extract it at..
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3543[22:41:03] <Iridos> it's the responsibility of the person creating the tar-file to have everything in a single sub-directory…
3544[22:41:14] <Iridos> which they usually do
3545[22:41:15] <blackslide> eh, I don't get verbose messages.. I get nothing now with tar -xvf Free.11.11.blahblah.iso.xz
3546[22:41:29] <blackslide> and nothing is extracted
3547[22:41:31] <Iridos> that's not a tar file
3548[22:41:48] <blackslide> okay, so what can open an xz. compressed .iso?
3549[22:42:23] <blackslide> weirds that tar doesn't give any errors.. gzip says : unknown suffix
3550[22:43:05] <Tramp> blackslide: xz from xz-utils
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3552[22:43:50] <blackslide> Thanks!
3553[22:44:02] <Tramp> welcome
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3564[22:47:57] <komanchoo> how do I ignore networking during install from usb? it keeps asking me my wifi passworkd ;(
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3568[22:50:54] <hiexpo> Hey when I choose to open up my root terminal it open the rox terminal as root i dont want that i just want the regular mate terminal how do i change it back
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3596[23:04:46] <bin_bash> hiexpo: is that a real question??? you opened root terminal of course it's root?
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3601[23:06:15] <hiexpo> bin_bash, what I meant sorry was that it was opening the rox terminal and i dont want rox terminal set i want mate terminal set
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3604[23:06:50] <bin_bash> OH
3605[23:07:13] <bin_bash> well it depends on your wm/de and how/where youre selecting it
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3607[23:07:40] <Alecu> Hey
3608[23:07:42] <annadane> i think "mate terminal" implies mate
3609[23:07:46] <Alecu> Bye
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3611[23:08:06] <hiexpo> bin_bash, my wm is mate
3612[23:08:07] <bin_bash> annadane: i dont use that, so i wouldn't know. :)
3613[23:08:07] <annadane> so mate probably has a default applications section, or something
3614[23:08:14] <annadane> no, nor do i so i don't either
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3617[23:08:43] <annadane> there's probably a MATE irc channel you can ask in
3618[23:08:48] <iodot> replaced-url
3619[23:08:53] <bin_bash> hiexpo: i dont know the answer, but a good place to start is googling "change default terminal mate"
3620[23:08:56] <bin_bash> or something along those lines
3621[23:09:05] <bin_bash> hiexpo: are you use a right-click context menu or something else?
3622[23:09:12] <annadane> maybe try #mate
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3625[23:09:41] <phogg> hiexpo: what is your alternative for x-terminal-emulator set it?
3626[23:09:46] <bin_bash> id recommend at least googling it first before asking in irc. just as a general rule, but that's probbably the second place to start
3627[23:09:47] <phogg> s/it/to/
3628[23:10:16] <phogg> hiexpo: and, how do you "choose to open" your terminal?
3629[23:11:17] <hiexpo> phogg, i just clicked on root terminal and it opened rox as root
3630[23:11:45] <phogg> hiexpo: what is "root terminal"? Where did you click it?
3631[23:11:46] <bin_bash> hiexpo: but where do you click that
3632[23:11:58] <phogg> hiexpo: assume that I have never used Mate and have never seen anything GUI in my life. Explain in detail.
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3634[23:12:07] <blackslide> I installed virtual box, using apt, now it refuses to run, stating that vmboxdrv is missing or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv
3635[23:12:09] * phogg doesn't run things by clicking them
3636[23:12:10] <bin_bash> what phogg said
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3638[23:12:33] <phogg> hiexpo: is it an icon on your desktop? An icon on a launcher bar/dock?
3639[23:12:42] <blackslide> i removed virtualbox-dkms and installed again, it fails to start the kernel module..
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3641[23:12:50] <phogg> hiexpo: if so, try right clicking and seeing if you can get properties for the icon. It would help to know the command it is executing.
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3643[23:13:38] <hiexpo> phogg, okay it is just a launcher that opens a terminal basically a script to launch a gui
3644[23:14:02] <phogg> hiexpo: do you know or can you find out what command it is running?
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3646[23:14:10] <blackslide> gdm3 opens a dumbass window into some sort of "gnome app store" I guess
3647[23:14:21] <phogg> hiexpo: if the command is /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator then you merely need to select a different alternative.
3648[23:14:25] <blackslide> seems quite hard to see what the icon actually does
3649[23:14:58] <phogg> blackslide: that's GNOME for you. Crazy buggers.
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3651[23:15:30] <blackslide> actually, when you click on the button "website" it might tell you what the program it runs actually is
3652[23:15:46] <blackslide> quite macOS/Win10 esque...
3653[23:16:02] <hiexpo> phogg, gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator is the command but its opening roxterm
3654[23:16:06] <blackslide> but then, you win some, you lose some
3655[23:16:14] <phogg> hiexpo: great, easy to fix!
3656[23:16:26] <phogg> hiexpo: open a root terminal and run: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator
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3658[23:16:39] <hiexpo> phogg, okay thanks
3659[23:17:07] <phogg> hiexpo: you'll get a numbered list of terminal emulators. Enter the number corresponding to the one you want to use.
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3662[23:17:36] <phogg> for me mate-terminal is 17, but I have a lot of terminal emulators installed
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3670[23:20:02] <lrvick> Hey all. So systemd-udevd seems to be starting -before- the / partition is remounted rw. As such I can't make udev scripts that create folders in /media for automounting etc
3671[23:20:27] <lrvick> Any ideas on how to delay systemd-udevd from starting until -after- the disk is rw?
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3683[23:27:17] <blackslide> any idea how to make virtualbox work in debian 9 ? I used "apt install virtualbox" to install it
3684[23:27:29] <annadane> ,v virtualbox
3685[23:27:31] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.4-dfsg-1; sid/contrib:
3686[23:27:31] <judd> 5.2.4-dfsg-2
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3688[23:27:59] <blackslide> but it fails at: Loading VirtualBox kernel modules...No suitable module f...ailed!
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3690[23:28:04] <annadane> you'll need contrib non-free in your sources list and also it's in backports
3691[23:28:27] <annadane> see wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
3692[23:28:37] <annadane> oh it doesn't describe backports
3693[23:28:40] <annadane> !backports
3694[23:28:40] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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3700[23:29:12] <annadane> replaced-url
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3702[23:29:31] <blackslide> I've got those allready, but no backports :D
3703[23:29:41] <blackslide> duh, I do have backports
3704[23:29:59] <blackslide> stretch-backports main contrib non-free
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3707[23:31:30] <sagat> hello
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3709[23:31:49] <sagat> i am trying to locate and install "guake" but it does not show up in synaptic
3710[23:32:05] <sagat> though it shows in package search of debian website
3711[23:32:06] <jhutchins> ,v quake
3712[23:32:07] <judd> Package: quake on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 2; jessie/contrib: 8; stretch/contrib: 49.1; buster/contrib: 55; sid/contrib: 55
3713[23:32:26] <sagat> no not quake, "guake" terminal
3714[23:32:28] <jhutchins> sagat: Enable contrib (and probably non-free).
3715[23:32:34] <annadane> ,v guake
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3717[23:32:35] <judd> Package: guake on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3-3; jessie: 0.4.4-1; stretch: 0.8.8-1; sid: 0.8.10-1
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3719[23:32:51] <annadane> try it via the terminal, as root apt install guake
3720[23:33:04] <sagat> already enabled, my source list is "deb tor+replaced-url
3721[23:33:12] <annadane> oh, testing.
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3724[23:33:30] <sagat> sorry, forgot to mention it is testing
3725[23:33:46] <annadane> try replaced-url
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3727[23:34:01] <annadane> !why isn't guake in testing
3728[23:34:01] <dpkg> guake is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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3731[23:34:20] <annadane> replaced-url
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3733[23:34:30] <blackslide> !why am I stupid?
3734[23:34:39] <blackslide> hmph.. didn't work :D
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3738[23:35:12] <sagat> ioh now
3739[23:35:20] <sagat> that was my favourite terminal
3740[23:35:22] <sagat> doh
3741[23:35:23] <annadane> simplebackportcreation or any of the methods described in replaced-url
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3747[23:36:06] <annadane> though if you have to ask that question, be careful with using testing
3748[23:36:06] <blackslide> modprobe virtualboxdrv gives fatal error
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3751[23:36:29] <sagat> thank you as usual annadane
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3761[23:38:44] <blackslide> modprobe says module vbpxdrv not found in /lib/modules/...
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3763[23:38:49] <blackslide> vbox...
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3765[23:39:14] <blackslide> is it the apt package, or my configuration?
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3780[23:44:16] <tom[]> jhutchins: it turns out that i cannot use apt to upgrade the kernel because my systems don't have a linux-image package. it seems to be a feature/bug of how the OVH installer works
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3782[23:44:28] <blackslide> prolly only option to completely purge the deb package and get the one at their site..
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3784[23:44:44] <allizom> blackslide: do you specifically need virtualbox? If not, there's virt-manager too
3785[23:45:20] <blackslide> no, just need a windows vm and sometimes like to play with other oses..
3786[23:45:26] <blackslide> I'll try that, thanks!
3787[23:45:51] <chomwitt> my vps is infected by web traffic redirected to cmp20.com . how can i correct that?
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3794[23:47:39] <b00kworm> Infected how? What gets redirected?
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3811[23:55:18] <chomwitt> b00kworm: i host some apache virtual sites in my debian virtual host , and visiting two of them i'll be redirected to a web ad though the cpm20.com site
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3816[23:57:30] <b00kworm> And that's a Debian issue how exactly? Check if your sites do something bad / dns poisoning due to the dns server injecting ads
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3821[23:59:34] <chomwitt> b00kworm: i'll check dns settings asap. thanks for the tip
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