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10 [00:05:31] <julius> how do you make lvm volums visible in a
chroot?
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12 [00:06:09] <frostschutz> julius, mount --bind proc dev sys
... into the chroot?
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14 [00:06:25] <julius> you got proc on a lvm?
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17 [00:06:34] <julius> must be a windows system ;)
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21 [00:08:42] <frostschutz> *shrug* you'll figure it out
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26 [00:09:01] <julius> just kidding....but proc and the other
things has nothing todo with lvm
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39 [00:14:52] <frostschutz> if you know better, why bother to
ask in the first place
40 [00:15:23] <julius> the question is why did you answer if you
dont know about lvm
41 [00:15:29] <frostschutz> moron
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78 [00:36:11] <tw> julius: lvscan ... with dev and proc
available in the chroot.
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105 [00:46:44] <guy> Does this tell me I am running Jessie: Linux
3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02)?
106 [00:47:41] <mtn> guy: no. what does lsb_release -a tell you?
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112 [00:48:50] <guy> mtn: BunsenLabs GNU/Linux 8.7 (Hydrogen)
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114 [00:49:01] <mtn> guy: nope, not even debian :(
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116 [00:49:15] <mtn> !bunsenlabs
117 [00:49:15] <dpkg> BunsenLabs Linux is a community
continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox>
window manager. It is not supported in #debian.
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119 [00:49:38] <guy> mtn: Thanks
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121 [00:50:17] <Digz> that's... odd. You would know what OS
you installed, right? ;)
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123 [00:51:10] <guy> Digz: reading their website it said it was
debian. I am a noobie
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125 [00:52:05] <mtn> guy: it may be based on debian, which is not
really debian
126 [00:52:32] <guy> mtn: ok got it
127 [00:52:49] <Digz> looks like an over the top distro..... not
quite a "debian based" distro, but one that you install
debian first, and then install this on top of it.
128 [00:53:01] <mtn> yuck
129 [00:53:24] <mutante> because you just couldn't install
that window manager in debian
130 [00:53:36] <Digz> Debian version for lsb_release -a should
read like this:
131 [00:53:43] <Digz> Distributor ID: Debian
132 [00:53:43] <Digz> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.8 (jessie)
133 [00:53:44] <Digz> Release: 8.8
134 [00:53:44] <Digz> Codename: jessie
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137 [00:53:57] <Digz> ouch
138 [00:53:58] <Digz> :D
139 [00:54:10] <UR4N1UM> /whoami
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162 [01:04:30] <vegenaise> hi debian irc. anyone available to
help me (a total linux/debian noob) troubleshoot an issue i'm
having with sound on my computer?
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164 [01:04:55] <mutante> !ask
165 [01:04:55] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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172 [01:06:01] <vegenaise> lol k.
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174 [01:07:05] <gry> vegenaise: what is the issue?
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176 [01:07:48] <vegenaise> running #!++ on a lenovo x220t. sound
will work from the speakers for weeks or months then just randomly
stop working. reboots can sometimes fix this and sometimes not.
sometimes it just randomly starts working again. ideally i would be
able to just use the commandline to kill and restart whatever the
audio service/driver/etc that my laptop is using to get back to
having sound right away
177 [01:08:18] <vegenaise> i dunno if its using alsa, pulseaudio,
or something else. i don't know how to troubleshoot this or fix
it
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182 [01:10:42] <gry> check whether you have sound in headphones
still
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184 [01:10:52] <vegenaise> k one sec
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187 [01:12:56] <vegenaise> yep, headphones still work
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189 [01:13:56] <gry> do you have alsamixer installed
(alsa-utils)? is any sound muted or zero there?
190 [01:15:55] <vegenaise> it says i have it installed, but i
dunno how to launch that from the commandline (neither alsa-utils or
sudo alsa-utils do it) #!++ uses a gui plainly called volume
control, but i dunno what's behind it
191 [01:16:22] <gry> what is "#!++" ?
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194 [01:17:37] <vegenaise> crunchbang plus plus (debian jessie 8
with openbox, conky, and maybe a few other customizations)
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196 [01:19:07] <gry> debian derivatives are not supported here
because it's hard to debug whatever changes they've made,
sorry
197 [01:19:17] <gry> please ask them a question at
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198 [01:19:23] <vegenaise> :(
199 [01:19:28] <vegenaise> ok thankyou
200 [01:20:10] <gry> thanks for using a debian derivative! you
are still welcome to hang around and help others and meet new people
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202 [01:20:49] <gry> and good luck with the sound, too
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204 [01:21:25] <vegenaise> thanks :)
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207 [01:23:29] <gry> :)
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216 [01:28:20] <julius> tw: thanks...that worked
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359 [03:14:43] <lesceil> howdy, anyone here know how to debug
nginx configs on debian8 usign php7 dotdeb packages? The issue is
that phpinfo claims it is loading php modules from
/etc/php/7.0/fpm/conf.d/ like 20-zip.ini, even after I remove it
from there and restart nginx, and it is ignoring my additional files
there as if it doesnt actually load it from there. is phpinfo lying
to me ?
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372 [03:27:29] <linux_user> I have a Toshiba laptop with a 320GB
HD in it that has an “HDD password” on it. I do not care
about recovering the data at all, but, is it possible to reformat
the thing somehow and make use of it? I have a Mac I can try to put
it in a USB case to format. The PC keeps asking the HDD password
even though I have a USB stick in their that is bootable Linux and
have the USB stick set as first in the boot order.
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375 [03:30:07] <lesceil> sounds like a bios password
376 [03:30:13] <lesceil> should not have stolen the laptop
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385 [03:37:27] <lesceil> lol
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390 [03:38:52] <OS-29604> /msg NickServ REGISTER <password>
<email-address>
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392 [03:39:13] <OS-29604> /msg NickServ REGISTER 12345678
abd@gmail.com
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395 [03:39:50] <OS-29604> /msg NickServ REGISTER <159159>
<almouhanna1@gmail.com>
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415 [03:51:58] <linux_user> It is NOT stolen you jackass. A
friend’s grandaughter forgot her password and it had Windows 8
on it which she didn’t like. She (via her GrandPa via me)
found out Windows can be replaced but she forgot the HDD password.
416 [03:52:09] <linux_user> Now, do you have anything actually
helpful to add lescell?
417 [03:53:45] <linux_user> It is NOT a bios password, its an
HDD/SDD Password
418 [03:55:35] <dvs> linux_user, so if you have a bootable Debian
install USB you can install from that.
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425 [03:59:16] <linux_user> I do, and the BIOS keeps asking for
the password for the HDD, even though I setup the USB as the primary
(first in order) boot device, told it to boot in non-secure mode,
and I have a bootable linux USB which works
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431 [04:01:54] <dvs> linux_user, the only other thing I can think
if is if the boot options have different USB boot options like
USB-HDD like Gigabyte does.
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436 [04:04:50] <linux_user> I didn’t see anything like that
437 [04:06:36] <mutante> can you just disconnect the HDD or take
it out?
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444 [04:09:00] <linux_user> sure I can
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449 [04:10:12] <mutante> well then it should not boot from it
anymore and take the other options, right
450 [04:11:04] <dvs> or format it in another machine to make it
installable
451 [04:11:33] <mutante> btw, i think granddaughter will enjoy
Gnome more than KDE. good luck, have to go
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479 [04:24:41] <mo1991> I am getting some semi-frequent lockups
with Debian stretch. This is the same hardware that ran Jessie for
years with pretty much zero lockups. I am guessing it may be due to
a wifi driver or issue with nvidia driver, but I'm just
guessing. Can someone give me some direction to find out why I am
getting lockups. I have taken a look a some of the logs but
haven't found anything so far.
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483 [04:26:48] <linux_user> stretch is development not released
yet, right?
484 [04:27:19] <dvs> !wwsr
485 [04:27:19] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" is planned for
release on 2017-06-17. There's still bugs that you can help fix
or help migrate from sid to stretch. Ask me about <stretch
freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
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628 [06:34:02] <JJScrawls> So how in the ever loving f$%@ do you
change desktop icon size on KDE in Debian 9?
629 [06:34:25] <JJScrawls> right clicking does nothing, icon
settings doesnt affect anything
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634 [06:37:27] <JJScrawls> im losing my mind over here over
something so simple
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636 [06:37:57] <Pipe_to_Grep> How do I change the email I
registered nickserv with?
637 [06:38:22] <jmcnaught> JJScrawls: does the kde settings
program have a search?
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640 [06:39:16] <JJScrawls> jmcnaught it does
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642 [06:40:33] <JJScrawls> I tried icons, desktop and theme
643 [06:41:19] <JJScrawls> I tried Icon size under the icon
settings and the desktop icons dont change
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649 [06:44:42] <JJScrawls> the icons just wont change size
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651 [06:45:22] <JJScrawls> I was testing KDE w/ Kubuntu and I
could resize there
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655 [06:47:53] <JJScrawls> the desktop icon resizing under icons
doesn't actually effect the desktop icons
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764 [07:54:05] <pivey> about 15 seconds after i plug in my debian
machine, my whole router kicks out. wifi goes down, network goes
down. rebooting router+unplugging debian fixes it. Any ideas what
this could be?
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790 [08:06:11] <Guest14012> anyone know what program was used to
create the Linux Mint Documentation?
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792 [08:06:57] <RedMercury> I've been running into what I
think is a race condition between sssd and NetworkManager
793 [08:07:29] <RedMercury> I use sssd-ipa to auth against a
freeipa domain, and sometimes on startup sddm doesn't show all
users; getent passwd in a console doesn't show all users either
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795 [08:07:34] <RedMercury> if i restart sssd it does
796 [08:08:02] <RedMercury> I can't see Required-Start on
any kind of networking in /etc/init.d/sssd
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866 [08:35:47] <bket_> Hello
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871 [08:37:42] <bket_> Do the strech RC images link to stretch or
testing?
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874 [08:38:03] <bket_> I got a bit confused after reading the
information on the website
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882 [08:41:30] <simpledat> Whats the most lightweight debian?
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942 [08:59:03] <kingsley> Why would pulseaudio stop seeing a
sound card?
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945 [08:59:55] <kingsley> Could upgrading the systemd or udev
package(s) caused it?
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947 [09:00:19] <kingsley> The "lshw" command lists the
sound card.
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949 [09:01:00] <kingsley> But the "pavucontrol" utility
doesn't see it, and my computer is silent.
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952 [09:03:08] <kingsley> The "alsamixer" utility
doesn't see my sound card either.
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958 [09:06:45] <kingsley> /var/log/messages says
"alsa-sink.c: Error opening PCM device front:0: Device or
resource busy"
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962 [09:07:48] <hedesis> Hi, I'm trying to use a ViewSonic
2220 touchscreen with a BeagleBone Black rev C. using Debian Jessie,
I tried on Raspberry Pi and it worked just pluging, but in
BeagleBone I'm having troubles. beaglebone debian dmesg:
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1040 [09:48:56] <g0zzy> Can anyone see what's wrong with this
(the command does nothing after auth)? gksu -g -u username
"export DISPLAY=:0.0;pluma ${message_file}"
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1053 [09:53:38] <jelly> g0zzy: you don't have to set DISPLAY
manually when using gksu
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1058 [09:55:16] <g0zzy> Ah!
1059 [09:55:37] <g0zzy> I am using it over ssh though if that
makes a difference
1060 [09:55:57] <jelly> where do you want the window to appear?
1061 [09:56:54] <g0zzy> On the remote user's screen
1062 [09:57:16] <jelly> gksu won't help with that then
1063 [09:57:37] <jelly> its purpose is to help setting up apps for
your current display
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1065 [09:57:55] <g0zzy> I'm sure i've had it working
elsewhere. But what would you recommend instead?
1066 [09:58:44] <jelly> might as well su - username, then figure
out the correct DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY environment variable settings
from a process that's already running in that session, and use
those
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1068 [09:59:20] <g0zzy> Right. fyi this works but spews auth error
messages: sudo -H -S -u username -- pluma --display=:0.0
$message_file
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1074 [10:02:46] <jelly> it's weird that it works
1075 [10:02:55] <g0zzy> Ha
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1079 [10:03:25] <jelly> what's the exact, complete output it
spews on terminal?
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1081 [10:03:31] <jelly> !paste
1082 [10:03:31] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1089 [10:05:43] <rgr> As far as I can tell my laptop and desktop
have the same ssh set up. Here's the issue : when booting both
machines I can ssh from the latop to the desktop no problem. BUT I
can not ssh from the desktop to the laptop UNTIL I have logged in
from the laptop at least once. This suggests to me that SSHing from
the laptop to the desktop triggers an ssh listener on the laptop BUT
I cant see how or why. Suggestions?
1090 [10:05:47] <g0zzy>
replaced-url
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1096 [10:07:37] <jelly> g0zzy: nothing about "auth" in
that output, but missing environment vars for dbus to work
1097 [10:07:38] <g0zzy> rgr: are you sshing with hostname or IP
address?
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1100 [10:08:07] <g0zzy> Sorry, i was using auth loosely, as in
xauth etc
1101 [10:08:22] <rgr> ip address on both
1102 [10:08:46] <rgr> not that that should matter since its
resolve client site.
1103 [10:08:49] <g0zzy> What happens when it's
'wrong'?
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1105 [10:09:01] <rgr> wrong?
1106 [10:09:06] <g0zzy> Doesn't work
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1108 [10:09:25] <rgr> no route to host.
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1110 [10:09:39] <jelly> g0zzy: it says some config settings
can't be saved... so I'm guessing some config settings
won't be saved
1111 [10:09:54] <g0zzy> That sounds like a network prob, not an
ssh one
1112 [10:10:32] <jelly> g0zzy: you can figure out additional env.
vars needed to be able to connect to the _right_ dbus socket for
that session
replaced-url
1113 [10:10:39] <g0zzy> I could live with the errors, but i'd
rather not ;)
1114 [10:10:43] <rgr> yeah except for when I have logged into the
desktop from the laptop I can ssh back in return just fine.
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1116 [10:10:56] <jelly> g0zzy: pick a process you _know_ is
running in that X session already
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1119 [10:11:41] <jelly> g0zzy: get its env. vars. Set up, I guess,
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS, when running the app.
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1121 [10:12:07] <g0zzy> I'll take a look, thanks
1122 [10:12:08] <jelly> g0zzy: some other session related
environment might be needed as well, dunno
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1125 [10:12:44] <g0zzy> Funnily enough, i thought this kind of
thing is exactly what gksu is for ;)
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1127 [10:13:06] <rgr> though saying that I shall cold boot the
laptop and then ping it to see.
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1129 [10:13:45] <jelly> g0zzy: even if gksu knew how to do that,
you didn't tell it to connect to that session over there
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1131 [10:14:07] <jelly> and it doesn't, it only knows how to
set up things to connect to this X session here.
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1133 [10:14:37] <g0zzy> Right. It's strangely difficult to
display a message on another user's screen over ssh :(
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1141 [10:16:13] <rgr> well ping works just fine from desk to
laptop.
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1143 [10:16:47] <g0zzy> Right. And right after successful ping,
ssh fails?
1144 [10:16:51] <rgr> hmm. and now ssh has worked off the bat. ah
well.
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1147 [10:17:37] <rgr> so something is being woken up on the laptop
with either a ping or it ssh'ing out. Arg. Its not that
important. I'll look at it another day.
1148 [10:17:59] <g0zzy> I wouldn't leap to that ;)
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1150 [10:18:46] <g0zzy> you might as well leap to "i've
got a dodgy router" ;)
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1152 [10:19:30] <OtakuSenpai> hello
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1154 [10:19:59] <OtakuSenpai> how do i completely purge the deb
packages from my system
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1157 [10:20:34] <OtakuSenpai> apt-get purge eclipse says 118kb
disk space will be freed
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1159 [10:21:14] <OtakuSenpai> while the original download size was
200mb size
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1163 [10:25:03] <cheapie> OtakuSenpai: Try "apt-get
autoremove", but make sure you read the list of packages it
will remove before accepting.
1164 [10:25:12] <g0zzy> eclipse has many dependencies
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1179 [10:33:22] <g0zzy> jelly: this is my equivalent to your env
investigation:
replaced-url
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1228 [10:57:28] <dokma> Well... replacing that bulging capacitor
on my motherboard yesterday didn't help. The box is still
restarting randomly. Once this morning around 10am and once just
now...
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1231 [10:57:58] <dokma> I tried to shut down all services to weed
that out as a possibility. All I had running was asterisk and Xorg
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1233 [10:58:50] <dokma> What would be a good idea to try next?
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1235 [10:59:57] <sukil> Hi
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1237 [11:00:04] <nix64bit> dokma: its probably overheating
1238 [11:00:29] <dokma> nothing is over 50 deg cels
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1247 [11:04:41] <sukil> I've tried to install Debian with
Speech synthesis and low priority (set with the menu, i. e. after
choosing the 's' option in the boot menu, hope it
doesn't matter) and I can't scroll. Shift + PageUp (the
regular one) doesn't do anything when Scroll Lock is on, in
fact no keys seem to do anything when Scroll Lock is on. When
it's off, it doesn't do anything either, and Shift + Up
and Shift...
1248 [11:04:42] <sukil> ...+ Down print out weird chars but
don't scroll.
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1251 [11:05:23] <sukil> Any ideas?
1252 [11:05:28] <sukil> Thanks!
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1272 [11:17:32] <nix64bit> dokma: could be any number of things, I
havent had much success repairing damaged mother boards
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1344 [11:33:59] <SuperNig> Hi
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1368 [11:39:09] <omilun007> hello guys . i upgraded debian 8 to 9
. now my debian can not boot at all . i am on a ubuntu live cd and
create a chroot directory to access my os on hdd. but i have some
problem now. i dont have any accesses to any domains like google .
but i can ping 8.8.8.8 . so i can not use apt command . apt source
list is useing domain repo address.
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1370 [11:39:53] <omilun007> how to downgrade to version 8 or fix
it?
1371 [11:40:59] <nix64bit> !fix upgrade
1372 [11:40:59] * dpkg takes upgrade to the vet for a
"special" visit.
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1378 [11:43:31] <omilun007> do u have any solotion to me?
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1380 [11:44:22] <nix64bit> can you not login at all?
1381 [11:44:31] <woshty> omilun007: You might need an entry in
/etc/resolv.conf for a DNS to resolv domain names to IPs
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1384 [11:45:20] <omilun007> nix64bit: no i can not but i am on a
live linux and i make chroot directory
1385 [11:45:39] <jaggz> I made a systemd service (a home alert
thing which plays an mp3 if I telnet to a port).. even after doing
systemctl disable myalarm, which removes a symlink, the service
still works (telnet to the port still plays the audio)..
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1388 [11:45:54] <nix64bit> what error do you get when it boots?
1389 [11:45:58] <jaggz> systemctl list-unit-files still shows
alarm.service is enabled too
1390 [11:46:02] <koollman> jaggz: systemctl stop myalarm
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1392 [11:46:22] <koollman> jaggz: enable/disable is to select
wether it will be active on boot. start/stop is to start and stop it
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1394 [11:46:28] <jaggz> still enabled
1395 [11:46:55] <koollman> then have a look at what's still
running
1396 [11:46:58] <omilun007> nix64bit: network-manager ... and i am
remover it after go with live cd
1397 [11:47:10] <omilun007> on debian
1398 [11:47:51] <jaggz> okay.. I manually removed an
etc/systemd/system/myalarm symlink and reloaded (with
daemon-reload), and it shows it's disabled, but the alarm still
plays when I telnet to that port
1399 [11:47:59] <omilun007> woshty: it dose not have any things on
/etc/resolv.conf
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1402 [11:49:28] <jaggz> koollman, it's not a daemon itself --
it's just a bash script letting systemd run it on a port, by
the way
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1413 [11:52:40] <dokma> My Debian box still restarting randomly
even after I replace a bulging capacitor on the MBO.
1414 [11:52:46] <dokma> Here is my sensors output:
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1415 [11:53:16] <dokma> All those ALARMs on the voltages look
suspect. Are they good readings?
1416 [11:53:32] <dokma> I suspect my PSU is grinding to a halt.
1417 [11:53:33] <jaggz> dokma, what kind of system?
1418 [11:53:45] <dokma> It's a desktop pc.
1419 [11:53:54] <dokma> Runs Debian Jessie.
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1421 [11:54:19] <jaggz> dokma, on a ups?
1422 [11:54:33] <dokma> No UPS. Direct plug.
1423 [11:54:35] <_KaszpiR_> how old is your hardware?
1424 [11:54:52] <jaggz> maybe you have power issues.. or maybe the
psu is having an issue itself
1425 [11:54:56] <dokma> Extremely old.
1426 [11:55:01] <_KaszpiR_> over 4 years?
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1429 [11:55:13] <dokma> Way over 4 year. My MBO is about 10 years.
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1431 [11:55:18] <jaggz> not all bad caps bulge
1432 [11:55:29] <dokma> I know that...
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1434 [11:55:35] <jaggz> lots of stuff can be going bad in a really
old system :/
1435 [11:55:35] <dokma> But don't want to hear it :D
1436 [11:55:39] <_KaszpiR_> was it running 27/7 ?
1437 [11:55:39] <jaggz> I had a cpu that went bad
1438 [11:55:45] <dokma> Xup 24/7
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1441 [11:55:49] <dokma> Yup 24/7
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1444 [11:55:53] <_KaszpiR_> ok, it's dying
1445 [11:55:59] <koollman> dokma: so, yeah, probably dying. could
be heat, could be power, could be ... anything else, really
1446 [11:56:04] <_KaszpiR_> probably psu
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1448 [11:56:16] <dokma> I suspect PSU as well...
1449 [11:56:27] <dokma> Even though PSU is the newest component on
it...
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1451 [11:56:51] <jaggz> could substitute another psu (if you have
one suitable)..
1452 [11:56:53] <dokma> My MBO was released Q3'07
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1454 [11:57:08] <dokma> Actually I do have a working box sitting
in the closet.
1455 [11:57:08] <jaggz> but lots on mb's can go bad too..
1456 [11:57:17] <dokma> So a PSU replacement should be the easiest
to do...
1457 [11:57:18] <jaggz> do logs show anything?
1458 [11:57:24] <jaggz> before the reboot
1459 [11:57:26] <dokma> Nothing in the logs.
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1462 [11:57:55] <jaggz> got a ups to put it on too?
1463 [11:57:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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1465 [11:58:13] <koollman> dokma: easy to test, then. temporarily
using another psu is easy enough
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1467 [11:58:36] <jaggz> how often's it reboot?
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1470 [11:59:01] <jaggz> koollman, darned systemd :)
1471 [11:59:12] <dokma> I think I have a UPS sitting somewhere but
no cables to connect it or I would've done it already.
1472 [11:59:25] <_KaszpiR_> with such old hardware I'd say it
gona die on shutdown and may never come back
1473 [11:59:30] <koollman> jaggz: yes :)
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1476 [11:59:39] <dokma> It reboot between 2 to 10 hours
1477 [12:00:10] <jaggz> dokma, cool.. nice to not have the issue
where it's once a week or once a month
1478 [12:00:14] <dokma> I suspect that as well... It served
awesome for such a long time that it just struck me hard for it to
fail in any way.
1479 [12:00:24] <jaggz> lol
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1481 [12:00:55] <jaggz> I had a thinkpad laptop I was using as a
server since 2005 or so.. just shut it down maybe 2 months ago
1482 [12:01:02] <dokma> But good job of reminding me that I
actually already have a working PSU to try and replace.
1483 [12:01:05] <jaggz> still worked well.. from when ibm still
handled thinkpad :)
1484 [12:01:17] <dokma> Actually that other box is same generation
so I can swap almost everything.
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1487 [12:01:38] <jaggz> I usually just put the other psu near the
system and hook it up :)
1488 [12:02:03] <dokma> jaggz: yeah, good way to do it. Just a
temp hook up to test.
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1490 [12:02:27] <dokma> Will get to it immediately. Gotta
shutdown.
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1493 [12:02:35] <dokma> Will be getting back in a few hours.
1494 [12:02:45] <dokma> Thanks & bye.
1495 [12:02:46] <jaggz> we'll miss you
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1497 [12:02:57] <dokma> Hold your fingers crossed for me.
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1499 [12:03:07] <jaggz> that actually works..
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1501 [12:03:25] <jaggz> if you promise to the Universe and hold
them until the problem is solved
1502 [12:04:45] <nix64bit> when the mother board or cpu start
failing its not easy to fix
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1504 [12:05:16] <jaggz> can be a pain.. and if one cap is old...
1505 [12:05:34] <jaggz> "I replaced all the caps except
one."
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1510 [12:07:38] <sukil> Oh, and less / more is not applicable
here, since I'm trying to scroll up a menu of options, in this
case the locale chooser. I've also tried Ctrl + Shift + Arrows
/ PageUp / PageDown and nothing, either
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1513 [12:08:09] <nix64bit> spacebar?
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1517 [12:09:07] <sukil> nix64bit: No.
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1523 [12:09:57] <nix64bit> are you in vi?
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1526 [12:10:38] <sukil> nix64bit: No, I'm in the installer,
trying to see all available locales but can't scroll up
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1528 [12:11:34] <nix64bit> generally you tab into the select list
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1530 [12:12:18] <sukil> nix64bit: I think I can't do that,
I'm installing with speech synthesis
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1532 [12:12:50] <nix64bit> so is tab not a word?
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1536 [12:15:36] <sukil> huh?
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1538 [12:16:35] <sukil> I mean, if I tab / Shift + tab speakup
doesn't say anything either, and the screen doesn't seem
to change
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1542 [12:20:04] <nix64bit> I have no idea, maybe just install with
default options and change the local later
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1544 [12:21:12] <jaggz> man I'm hating systemd
1545 [12:21:17] <jaggz> good ol' initd :(
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1551 [12:22:57] <sukil> Will probably do that
1552 [12:23:02] <sukil> Thank you
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1602 [12:56:21] <g0zzy> When you set up the user on install where
does that full name get stored?
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1605 [12:56:37] <jolt> g0zzy: In /etc/passwd
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1608 [12:56:48] <jolt> g0zzy: you can use vipw to edit it
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1610 [12:57:11] <jolt> or chfn
1611 [12:57:17] <g0zzy> Ah thanks
1612 [12:57:33] <jolt> chfn is preferred, the user themselfs can
us eit
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1636 [13:07:53] <omilun007> hi . i have this problem after upgrade
debian 8 to 9
1637 [13:07:56] <omilun007>
replaced-url
1638 [13:08:23] <omilun007> this is my source list
replaced-url
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1641 [13:08:56] <omilun007> how to fix it?
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1643 [13:09:57] <r4mpage> hi there, I am trying to use firewalld
in Debian
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1645 [13:10:07] <r4mpage> blocking port 8080, which is open for
some reason out of the box
1646 [13:10:27] <r4mpage> so, I want to selectively remove a rule
on the INPUT chain but I am miserably failing to do so via
firewall-cmd
1647 [13:10:33] <r4mpage> any hints?
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1649 [13:10:51] <r4mpage> tried rich rules,etc. but despite that,
still open
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1651 [13:10:57] <r4mpage> default zone is set to drop as well
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1653 [13:12:54] <jolt> Thats debian-next, so I'm not sure
loads of people here have used it yet
1654 [13:13:29] <omilun007> guys . please help me
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1656 [13:15:13] <bzed> r4mpage: all I know is that
replaced-url
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1658 [13:16:00] <bzed> omilun007: where is your /usr/bin/apt-key
gone to?
1659 [13:16:33] <jolt> omilun007: Ask in #debian-next
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1662 [13:17:33] <bzed> omilun007: actually I think the fix would
be to download the apt package using wget, installing it manually
with dpkg -i...
1663 [13:18:16] <bzed> omilun007: or look in
/var/cache/apt/archives if there is an apt deb file... and install
that using dpkg -i
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1665 [13:18:34] <bzed> omilun007: no idea what you did to remove
apt-key or break it..
1666 [13:19:05] <omilun007> bzed:
replaced-url
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1668 [13:19:41] <bzed> omilun007: then I'm out of clues
1669 [13:19:49] <bzed> omilun007: maybe just remove
/var/lib/apt/lists and try again
1670 [13:20:23] <omilun007> bzed: i changed my source list to
replaced-url
1671 [13:20:25] <omilun007> now
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1673 [13:21:17] <omilun007> bzed: and it is downlaoding list of
packages after 20 mintes . speed of download is 40Kb/ps
1674 [13:21:26] <bzed> omilun007: use a different mirror?
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1677 [13:22:47] <omilun007> bzed: i read a article it sayed change
your repo from this site
replaced-url
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1680 [13:24:51] <bzed> omilun007: then maybe deb.debian.org
doesn't work properly for you. choose a different mirror then.
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1682 [13:25:28] <zykotick9> omilun007: ahhh, those online
sources.list generators are a terrible idea...
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1688 [13:26:43] <bzed> zykotick9: not necessarily. deb.debian.org
is correct for most people
1689 [13:26:44] <omilun007> zykotick9: really? plz give me a fine
mirror of testing or strache
1690 [13:27:01] <bzed> omilun007: use the generator and just
remove the tickmark on deb.debian.org
1691 [13:27:03] <zykotick9> !stretch sources.list
1692 [13:27:03] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
1693 [13:27:20] <zykotick9> bzed: "yes necessarily"!
terrible idea!
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1695 [13:27:23] <bzed> zykotick9: ..... maybe just read things
before you try to be not helpful.
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1700 [13:29:25] <omilun007> zykotick9: i was
replaced-url
1701 [13:30:20] <omilun007> bzed: i think you are right . i am
liveing in iran and may be my government make it ban
1702 [13:30:24] <zykotick9> omilun007: ya, i saw you pastes -
sorry i have no suggestions on the fix... <- reason #749 i
don't like to use "testing"
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1707 [13:32:16] <omilun007> zykotick9: me to but some one sed me
testing is good to u . and you are a linux sysadmin and you should
use it to have update packages
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1712 [13:32:58] <zykotick9> omilun007: i'd disagree with that
statement... BUT i value stability over new-packages...
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1715 [13:34:52] <omilun007> zykotick9: you are right .
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1717 [13:36:01] <omilun007> how to downgrade to version 8?
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1719 [13:36:29] <jelly> reinstalling is the only way
1720 [13:36:38] <omilun007> zykotick9: i should use old kernel
only?
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1724 [13:37:25] <jelly> omilun007: if you have problems accessing
normal debian repos for stretch, you'll probably have issues
with jessie (debian 8) as well, they use same mirror sites
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1728 [13:38:36] <omilun007> jelly: i should use 8's mirrors?
i tried it but it dose not work
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1736 [13:41:40] <jelly> omilun007: can you pastebin the complete
output
1737 [13:41:41] <jelly> !paste
1738 [13:41:42] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1741 [13:42:03] <jelly> omilun007: you should use mirrors what
whatever release you have installed
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1748 [13:44:04] <omilun007> jelly: now i updated this source list
replaced-url
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1766 [13:53:56] <onee-chan> hello
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1768 [13:54:32] <onee-chan> so, once Stretch goes into stable, ho
wlong will it take for testing to be repopulated with new packages?
1769 [13:54:39] <onee-chan> * how long
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1779 [14:00:47] <mns> onee-chan: it usually doesn't take that
long
1780 [14:01:03] <omilun007> jelly: i changed source list
replaced-url
1781 [14:01:25] <onee-chan> are we talking days or a week?
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1785 [14:04:15] <mns> last time around it was probably within a
week. Back than I was doing an update every couple of days on my
Debian/testing work laptop.
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1789 [14:05:06] <onee-chan> Ok so it's days. Thank you. Once
that is done I will wait a week and then update to the new testing.
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1798 [14:08:32] <mns> onee-chan: usually yes that is the case.
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1801 [14:09:05] <onee-chan> Thanks!
1802 [14:09:11] <mns> I've always used debian/testing and
have never had issues with upgrades once a release is done
1803 [14:10:00] <onee-chan> That is good to hear, but I will be
cautious as this is my main machine.
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1811 [14:12:28] <mns> onee-chan: better cuatious. I used
Debian/testing for my work laptop, so it was my main system.
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1832 [14:27:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps whats the off topic
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1846 [14:39:23] <BluesKaj> Eryn_1983_FL, join #debian-offtopic if
you wish
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1861 [14:45:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> 6i did
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1896 [14:59:23] <Linux_Adventure2> hello, I am getting this error
when I try to update. Please help me. W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
1897 [14:59:24] <Linux_Adventure2> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
1898 [14:59:24] <Linux_Adventure2> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
1899 [14:59:24] <Linux_Adventure2> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
1900 [14:59:24] *** Linux_Adventure2 was kicked by debhelper (flood.
Please use
replaced-url
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1904 [14:59:57] <eto> hello i am trying to read install manual and
am getting 403
1905 [15:00:02] <eto> is this kosher?
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1912 [15:01:26] <zoomm10> hello, please all sysadmin remember all
the command? e.g. if i want to encrypt the hard disk, i have to
remember all the steps and command line?
1913 [15:01:50] <eto> zoomm10: generally yes
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1916 [15:02:34] <eto> zoomm10: use of man tool is allowed :),
though
1917 [15:02:38] <zoomm10> eto: thank you
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1932 [15:05:00] <Linux_Adventure2> hello
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1936 [15:05:28] <Linux_Adventure2> please help me
1937 [15:05:37] <Linux_Adventure2> on that above problem
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1944 [15:06:58] <digdilem> Linux_Adventure2, that url appears to
be valid and working for me. Can you ping ftp.th.debian.org ? if
not, you have a DNS or networking problem
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1950 [15:08:08] <Linux_Adventure2> digdilem, It saysserver not
found
1951 [15:08:17] <Linux_Adventure2> says server not found
1952 [15:08:17] <jim> I installed python3-virtualenv, how would I
invoke virtualenv?
1953 [15:08:35] <digdilem> Linux_Adventure2, you have a DNS or
networking problem. Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
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1955 [15:09:06] <_KaszpiR_> jim
replaced-url
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1958 [15:09:23] <maui> hi all, on my machine I need a non root
user able to configure networking interface and restarting
networking service. I know I can use acl to let this user access and
modify /etc/network/interface file but I can figure out how to let
him/her run /etc/init.d/networking restart or service networking
restart or something else because on debian 8.8 sudoers file
doesn't exist. Can you give me some hint, please?
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1962 [15:09:59] <_KaszpiR_> install sudo ?
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1964 [15:10:29] <maui> really? omg! why isn't installed by
default (anymore)?
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1967 [15:11:06] <Linux_Adventure2> digdilem, not able to access
8.8.8.8.
1968 [15:11:35] <digdilem> Linux_Adventure2, you don't appear
to have a working internet connection. I'm afraid I don't
have time to help you resolve that, but I have put you on the path.
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1970 [15:11:44] <_KaszpiR_> maui AFAIR it never was?
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1974 [15:12:34] <Linux_Adventure2> ok. thanks a lot. But, I can
access other sites without any problem.
1975 [15:12:37] <jim> _KaszpiR_, is that how to run the virtualenv
executable? I was able to do that, by running dpkg -L on the
package, finding the python file and running it with python3
thatfile, but what's the packaged way to invoke it? (not
looking to find out how to set the options or how it works or any of
that, just looking for how to run the packaged binary
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1978 [15:13:21] <jim> I made the venv I wanted already, so this is
therefore not urgent
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1980 [15:14:00] <_KaszpiR_> virtualenv venv;source
venv/bin/activate;pip install -r requirements.txt; and then run that
python script
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1982 [15:14:14] <_KaszpiR_> otherwise if this is with dpkg then
you may need to install system wide packages
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1987 [15:14:46] <_KaszpiR_> also if you want to use python3 in
virtualenv then use virtualenv --python=python3 venv
1988 [15:14:54] <_KaszpiR_> the rest is the same
1989 [15:15:13] <jim> _KaszpiR_, let me check again to see if
there is an executable installed by that package called
"virtualenv" (that would be too easy, I guess)
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1992 [15:15:31] <glick> hi
1993 [15:15:37] <jim> hi
1994 [15:15:47] <jim> no, there is not such an executable
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1996 [15:16:32] <_KaszpiR_> I'm failing to understand what
you want to acheive, jim
1997 [15:16:36] <jim> there is also nothing but boilerplate in
/usr/share/doc/thatpackage
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2000 [15:19:24] <jim> well I really achieved what I wanted to do
-this time-, so nothing right now... but it would be handy to know
how to run it for next time (if doing "python3
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/virtualenv.py -p python3 venv"
is -not- the right way (it is the way I discovered)
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2007 [15:19:57] <glick> what arej you tryin to do jim?
2008 [15:20:02] <swills> is it just me or is this page forbidden?
replaced-url
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2010 [15:20:57] <jim> glick, find how to invoke the virtualenv
thing I just installed (if the way I outlined above isn't the
right way)
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2012 [15:21:17] <jim> it did let me make a venv
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2015 [15:21:30] <th0r> swills, it doesn't work here either
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2017 [15:21:39] <swills> th0r: thx
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2019 [15:22:17] <swills> i've got a preseed that's
started failing to download and install packages due to a DNS
failure and i can't figure out why. i was looking for the docs
on preseed, but can't seem to find them or can't read them
when I do find them.
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2021 [15:22:25] <dob1> hi, is 300mb enough for boot partition?
2022 [15:22:29] <jim> oh, I forgot, this is for stretch, so
I'm not in the right place, am I?
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2024 [15:22:45] <glick> yes dob1
2025 [15:22:47] <glick> should be
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2027 [15:23:13] <dob1> ok
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2029 [15:23:28] <swills> 'd-i netcfg/get_nameservers string
1.2.3.4' is what i have in preseed (redacted IP obviously), but
many examples i find show 2 and i can't find the docs to tell
me if 2 are required or not
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2032 [15:23:43] <jim> dob1, figure, it has to be large enough for
at least the grub dir, and one kernel and one initrd
2033 [15:24:04] <dob1> it asks me for the type of partition table,
msdos is ok?
2034 [15:24:15] <r4mpage> dob1: tight, but would do. 512M is
pretty good.
2035 [15:24:26] <r4mpage> dob1: depends if you want to have more
than one kernel there or not
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2037 [15:24:29] <dob1> (i am installing right now)
2038 [15:24:31] <jim> it's asking you to create a partition
table?
2039 [15:24:37] <dob1> jim, it's a new disk
2040 [15:24:50] <jim> how large is the disk?
2041 [15:24:54] <dob1> 1tb
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2043 [15:25:11] <jim> gpt is ok, but the cutoff is 2g
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2045 [15:25:15] <jim> err 2t
2046 [15:25:28] <dob1> what is the difference between them?
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2049 [15:25:53] <jim> with gpt you can have 128 primary partitions
2050 [15:26:11] <jim> with msdos you can have 4
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2053 [15:26:28] <dob1> well it's ok 4 too
2054 [15:26:39] <dob1> they are primary
2055 [15:26:56] <Linux_Adventure2> hello, when I try to update I
am getting this error. Please help me.
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2058 [15:28:17] <jim> on a 2t disk, I have 7 400g and 7 10g
primaries
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2061 [15:29:27] <dob1> jim, why you need them to be primary
partition?
2062 [15:29:31] <vagrantin> Linux_Adventure2: you should probably
use another address for your Debian repo the one you are using
can't be reached somehow
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2066 [15:30:16] <Linux_Adventure2> vagrantin, please suggest the
other one. I am a newbie.
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2068 [15:30:27] <jim> dob1, it's just preference... if I
don't have to use a "dos extended partition" and a
bunch of "logical" partitions, I don wanna :)
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2070 [15:30:38] <dob1> jim ah ok :)
2071 [15:30:38] <th0r> Linux_Adventure2, I was just able to fetch
the gpg key using wget...from texas in the u.s.
2072 [15:30:51] <jim> it's just a hassle
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2074 [15:31:04] <eto> so?
2075 [15:31:06] <vagrantin> Linux_Adventure2: you can try
ftp.debian.org instead of ftp.th.debian.org
2076 [15:31:09] <dob1> about boot partition. it's still a
good practice to make it ext2 ?
2077 [15:31:11] <eto> hello i am trying to read install manual and
am getting 403
2078 [15:31:14] <dob1> or it's the same?
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2081 [15:32:34] <Linux_Adventure2> ok
2082 [15:32:39] <jim> I made mine ext4 I think (one 10g /boot per
400g, and one each of those per installation)
2083 [15:33:14] <jim> and the 400g is an lvm physical volume
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2085 [15:34:02] <colo-work> using lxc on stretch, is there a way
to create a container that does not have the container itself try to
configure networking via Debian lxc template?
2086 [15:34:08] <BluesKaj> Linux_Adventure2, open your package
manager settings and look for software sources, there should be
other mirrors/repositories you can use, then update
2087 [15:34:19] <jim> out of which, I create vols for swap, /,
/home, /usr, /var
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2091 [15:35:12] <Linux_Adventure2> ok
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2094 [15:36:10] <dob1> thanks jim :)
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2098 [15:37:04] <jim> dob1, you don't have to do it that way,
but it is a choice you have (you can also divide in half too)
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2100 [15:37:19] <dob1> jim, i take them as advice :)
2101 [15:37:23] <jelly> debchange, judd: go to sleep
2102 [15:37:26] <jim> are you familiar with lvm?
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2106 [15:37:55] <cronic> hey, is it posible to add a backport
depency in CONTROL data of .deb file?
2107 [15:38:00] <swills> so the link labeled "Installation
Manual" off the debian.org home page is 403 and no one can do
anything about it?
2108 [15:38:11] <jim> are they gonna come back?
2109 [15:39:16] <jim> dob1, have you used lvm before?
2110 [15:39:31] <dob1> jim, No, I know it, but never used
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2113 [15:40:03] <jim> ok, well just so you know, it
2114 [15:40:16] <jim> has hung tough for at least 15 years
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2116 [15:40:31] <dob1> It's like you can change partition
size when you want
2117 [15:40:33] <dob1> but never used it
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2119 [15:41:13] <jim> how many installations are you planning on
putting on the drive?
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2125 [15:43:02] <Linux_Adventure2> is this a secure link?
replaced-url
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2127 [15:43:48] <Linux_Adventure2> I want to change
replaced-url
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2129 [15:44:49] <eto> swills: same problem
2130 [15:44:55] <eto> swills: manual is fucked
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2132 [15:45:21] <swills> eto: perhaps it will procreate and we can
read the new one? :)
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2134 [15:45:59] <eto> swills: doesn't seem to concern channel
dwellers here much
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2136 [15:46:29] <swills> eto: clearly
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2139 [15:47:00] <eto> swills: let's hope it will have child
sometime soon, seems like there are some residues in google cache
2140 [15:47:00] <jelly> judd: wb
2141 [15:47:01] <koollman> Linux_Adventure2: yes
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2148 [15:49:24] <balance> hi just deleted a file. is there a
chance to recover it? tried it with debugfs but it doesn't list
it as deleted. any other options?
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2150 [15:50:09] <kalipso> balance: how did you delete it?
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2152 [15:50:27] <koollman> eto, swills : yeah, looks like someone
messed up some configuration. I wonder who can correct that.
2153 [15:50:41] <eto> balance: was the file open in some program
at the moment of deletion and is this program/process still runing?
2154 [15:50:42] <koollman>
replaced-url
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2156 [15:51:11] <eto> koollman: thank you sir, do you know where
to urge that issue?
2157 [15:51:13] <balance> kalipso, it was opened in sublime text 3
and the dir was mounted using sshfs and I deleted it in sublime
text.
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2160 [15:51:22] <balance> eto yes it's still running
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2162 [15:51:25] <koollman> eto:
replaced-url
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2164 [15:51:35] <eto> koollman: thanks man
2165 [15:51:57] <koollman> (not my email, I was checking to see if
someone sent it already)
2166 [15:52:03] <kalipso> balance: so it should be still be loaded
in your ram, but recovering from there is not that easy.
2167 [15:52:10] <kalipso> you could try
replaced-url
2168 [15:52:12] <koollman> same on
replaced-url
2169 [15:52:21] <balance> kalipso, yeah, guess it's a nice
practice so :P
2170 [15:52:40] <balance> kalipso, ok thanks
2171 [15:52:49] <eto> balance: when file is deleted, it is not
removed from fs right away (if it still open by some proc) until it
closes it as well
2172 [15:53:12] <eto> balance: it is possible that sublime still
has it open?
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2176 [15:54:53] <balance> eto no but I think I'm a lucky guy.
I was a copy of a file I edited and I just noticed that the edit
history just end's at the last edit ^^
2177 [15:55:10] <kalipso> balance: dont you use git?
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2179 [15:55:39] <kalipso> s/dont/do
2180 [15:56:18] <eto> koollman: would it help to report manual
belongs to affected links as well?
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2182 [15:56:41] <balance> kalipso, I do usually but the file was
only meant to a temp. backup so I didn't commit it. anyway, I
think I got it back and if it would be lost it wouldn't be that
tragic. I'm also just eager to learn new stuff so I though I
might try to recover it. I might even try it still with testdisk.
can't hurt :) thanks
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2184 [15:57:14] <koollman> eto: maybe. isn't it also below
releases though ?
2185 [15:57:33] <eto> koollman: sec
2186 [15:57:38] <eto> koollman: indeed it is
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2188 [15:57:52] <koollman> maybe point out that the manual is
there too. pretty urgent :)
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2190 [15:58:41] <kalipso> balance: using testdisk while take a
while because you have to restore the whole harddrive. i once tryied
to recover from ram and had the help of some hardcore linux gurus
and it was anything else than easy but if you are motivated go for
it :
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2196 [15:59:42] <balance> kalipso, hehe, yeah I'll probably
look into it
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2204 [16:03:14] <dob1> i can't access here
replaced-url
2205 [16:03:32] <dob1> You don't have permission to access
/releases/stable/installmanual on this server. Server unable to read
htaccess file, denying access to be safe
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2208 [16:03:44] <swills> dob1: welcome to the club
2209 [16:03:50] <dob1> ah ok :)
2210 [16:05:05] <dob1> so i ask here, during installtion, at the
kernel choice, it gives me, linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64, or
linux-image-amd64, make sense to select linux-image-amd64, it's
not the same kernel linux-amd64-image?
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2213 [16:05:50] <dob1> it's for futher updates on the kernel?
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2240 [16:16:23] <Aebian> can someone explain to me the appraoch of
fstab? I tried to mount a drive so it can be access by just doing a
'cd /sw' my entry in the fstab looks like this: /dev/sdc
/db ext4 defaults 0 0
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2243 [16:17:01] <koollman> well, /db is not /sw
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2245 [16:17:23] <Aebian> thats an example I also mounted other
drives
2246 [16:17:24] <koollman> also are you sure it's /dev/sdc
(the whole disk) and not a partition on it (maybe /dev/sdc1)
2247 [16:17:37] <Aebian> hmm I'll check
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2254 [16:18:43] <Aebian> well tbh the drives are just attached to
the server so they are blank and not partioned atm. I think I should
do that first?
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2259 [16:20:37] <salomon_> Hello I am having problems installing
debian when booting using grub direct from iso with the option
to-ram.
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2262 [16:22:24] <jhutchins_wk> Aebian: Yes, you need to create a
filesystem before it can be mounted, Linux does not deal directly
with raw drives.
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2265 [16:23:03] <jhutchins_wk> Aebian: Also, you need to either
manually mount the filesystem, specify that it mounts at boot, or
use autofs to mount it on demand.
2266 [16:23:13] <salomon_> I get the live environment just fine,
however upon installing: Debootstrap Error Failed to determine the
codename for the release
2267 [16:23:21] <strk> can a debian/control file have variables to
build a different package depending on some environment variable ?
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2269 [16:23:51] <strk> ie: this is for a posgresql extension
package, which would need to be named differently and probably have
different deps based on postgresql version
2270 [16:24:03] <Aebian> jhutchins_wk: k on it. Well fstab is
mount on boot so I stick with this, thanks
2271 [16:24:06] <strk> ( and, is there a better channel to ask
these questions ? )
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2282 [16:27:47] <eto> dob1: i just finished netinstall jessie and
was not asked about kernel - can i ask when kernel question is
asked?
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2284 [16:28:22] <jhutchins_wk> eto: What question?
2285 [16:28:57] <eto> jhutchins_wk: this one dob1: during
installation, at the kernel choice, it gives me,
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64, or linux-image-amd64
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2288 [16:30:16] <jhutchins_wk> eto: I don't recall that
question being asked, but I don't run the installer that often.
I did just build a couple of systems and didn't see that.
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2291 [16:30:36] <eto> jhutchins_wk: me neither, that's why i
asked
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2293 [16:30:39] <jhutchins_wk> eto: Which release are you
installing?
2294 [16:30:57] <eto> jhutchins_wk: jessie 8.8 and it's
already installed
2295 [16:31:23] <dob1> eto, before installing packages
2296 [16:31:30] <jhutchins_wk> eto: I guess you're referring
to an earlier conversation I wasn't aware of, sorry for butting
in.
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2299 [16:31:43] <eto> jhutchins_wk: no problem
2300 [16:31:47] <peixoto> hello thre
2301 [16:31:50] <dob1> I am not using the graphical installation
2302 [16:31:52] <peixoto> who use xrandr?
2303 [16:31:53] <peixoto> :)
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2305 [16:32:00] <eto> peixoto: why?
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2308 [16:32:05] <peixoto> i want to make my 23" a 17"!
x)
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2310 [16:32:12] <peixoto> with borders! :)
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2315 [16:32:31] <peixoto> because this 23" is cool while on
the bed, but, when i am on the desktop, damn too big :)
2316 [16:32:31] <dob1> cut it ? :)
2317 [16:32:56] <peixoto> lol
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2320 [16:33:06] <peixoto> i want to keep the 23"
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2322 [16:33:15] <peixoto> i want it multifaces :)
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2324 [16:33:17] <peixoto> X)
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2326 [16:33:29] <eto> jhutchins_wk: is debian installable by hand
like arch and other similar distros?
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2330 [16:33:47] <greycat> !tell eto about debootstrap
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2332 [16:34:08] <BluesKaj> peixoto, what's too big the
images/fonts etc or the screen itself?
2333 [16:34:52] <eto> switching vts seemed to provide me with
busybox shell, but most commands i am accustomed don't work
2334 [16:35:15] <BluesKaj> increase the resolution to make the
images and fonts smaller
2335 [16:35:20] <jhutchins_wk> Is anyone aware of a Debian
document that explains the backporting of security patches to stable
releases similar to this one from RedHat:
replaced-url
2336 [16:35:23] <eto> greycat: ty
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2339 [16:36:35] <jhutchins_wk> eto: Pretty much anything you can
do manually to one Linux distribution you can do to any other, it
may be a question of what tools or automation are provided.
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2341 [16:37:05] <greycat>
replaced-url
2342 [16:37:43] <peixoto> BluesKaj, the screen :)
2343 [16:37:43] <thufa> samba server runs good and nice in Debian?
Because in RH have lots of bugs. I'm installing Debian now to
run samba...
2344 [16:37:44] <eto> greycat: server seems fucked
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2347 [16:38:14] <eto> jhutchins_wk: i know, but i was expecting at
least lsblk and partitioning tools on netinstall iso
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2350 [16:38:34] <BluesKaj> peixoto, sit further away
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2352 [16:38:59] <peixoto> yeah :)
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2354 [16:39:06] <peixoto> i do it :)
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2356 [16:39:13] <BluesKaj> or move the monitor further away
2357 [16:39:16] <jhutchins_wk> eto: The installer images are
really meant to do automated installs. There are some provisions for
custimization.
2358 [16:39:22] <peixoto> can not move the monitor :)
2359 [16:39:29] <peixoto> just closer :)
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2361 [16:39:51] <peixoto> you do not know if it is possible?
2362 [16:40:02] <BluesKaj> peixoto, what's you resolution
setting?
2363 [16:40:07] <peixoto> yeah, maybe i will add a tablet on my
sofa :)
2364 [16:40:08] <BluesKaj> your
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2367 [16:40:15] <peixoto> 1920x1080
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2370 [16:40:23] <eto> ty jhutchins_wk
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2373 [16:41:23] <peixoto> i'll add a shelf on my little sofa
to put the keyboard on if it is not possible :)
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2399 [16:55:42] <thufa> what package/packages shoud I install in
debian (last version) for commom samba user??
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2402 [16:55:57] <thufa> user not... SERVER, sorry
2403 [16:56:10] <greycat> To set up a Samba server, install
"samba".
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2407 [16:56:47] <thufa> greycat: OH, thank you. =) so easy
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2409 [16:56:53] <thufa> on going
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2425 [17:02:16] <celyr> mmm : Package 'gcc-doc-base' has
no installation candidate
2426 [17:02:23] <celyr> wtf is going on with my debian
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2428 [17:02:39] <greycat> forgot to add non-free, probably
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2430 [17:02:59] <celyr> ?
2431 [17:03:06] <celyr> No I didn't forgot at all
2432 [17:03:13] <celyr> I didn't add it on purpose
2433 [17:03:20] <celyr> gcc-doc is non free ? wtf ?
2434 [17:03:26] <greycat> Yep.
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2436 [17:03:52] <celyr> ?
2437 [17:03:53] <greycat> oh, actually it's in contrib
2438 [17:04:30] <greycat> But the package description says
"This documentation is available from non-free part of Debian
archive."
2439 [17:04:39] <celyr> deb
replaced-url
2440 [17:04:53] <celyr> and apt was not complaining
2441 [17:04:54] <celyr> lol
2442 [17:04:54] <greycat> contrib has an "i" in it
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2447 [17:06:52] <jelly> !dfsg
2448 [17:06:52] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
replaced-url
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2450 [17:07:01] <jelly> not that one, sorry
2451 [17:07:05] <jelly> !gfdl
2452 [17:07:05] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free"
Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some
cases. Read the discussion at
replaced-url
2453 [17:07:14] <jelly> ^^ celyr reason why
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2460 [17:09:35] <X51> how i can add user and when added user
example test
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2463 [17:09:45] <X51> on home dir make auto dir t/test
2464 [17:09:50] <greycat> There are lots of ways, but the eaiest
is the "adduser" command.
2465 [17:09:52] <X51> and all user which is T.. create auto dir in
/home/t
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2467 [17:09:58] <X51> which is B create /home/b/buser
2468 [17:10:16] <greycat> Add stuff inside /etc/skel/ and it will
be added to newly created home directories.
2469 [17:10:28] <celyr> jelly, well thanks
2470 [17:10:31] <celyr> pretty absurd
2471 [17:10:34] <X51> but how
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2473 [17:11:01] <jelly> X51: you want to have a hashed directory
structure with an extra subdir under /home with first character of
the username?
2474 [17:11:08] <X51> yes
2475 [17:11:19] <greycat> Oh, that you might have to do by hand.
2476 [17:11:38] <jelly> X51: if you use adduser, read about
LETTERHOMES in /etc/adduser.conf
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2479 [17:11:50] <X51> thx dear
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2481 [17:11:53] <greycat> Ah, nice.
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2484 [17:12:02] <X51> i find
2485 [17:12:05] <jelly> you're welcome sweetie
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2498 [17:15:16] <jelly> I have a new way doing a release upgrade
on physical machines: step 1) migrate to a VM, stop services and
give physical machine a temp IP step 2) take snapshot step 3) do a
release upgrade, check everything works step 4) rsync everything
back to physical
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2500 [17:16:00] <jelly> or better, step 4) shut down the physical
machine and never see it again
2501 [17:16:12] <celyr> Was going to say that
2502 [17:16:15] <celyr> anyway
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2504 [17:16:29] <celyr> I would really do it in another way
2505 [17:16:46] <jelly> but policy mandates some stuff be as
independent as possible
2506 [17:16:57] <celyr> then just use 2 root
2507 [17:17:12] <jelly> that means two physical machines in two
datacenters, relying only on local storage
2508 [17:17:38] <celyr> well
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2510 [17:17:50] <celyr> that doesn't forbid you to install
vmware esxi
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2512 [17:17:54] <celyr> or whatever
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2515 [17:18:34] <jelly> esxi has a 8-12GB RAM overhead :-)
2516 [17:18:45] <celyr> =
2517 [17:18:47] <celyr> ?
2518 [17:18:48] <celyr> nah
2519 [17:19:05] <jelly> (with vsan and vds enabled, tho)
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2524 [17:20:00] <jelly> really, I have a fresh new cluster on the
side, nodes without any load have 12GB RAM used
2525 [17:20:01] <celyr> maybe with VCENTER you have that overhead
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2527 [17:20:25] <jelly> vcenter is just a VM, node with vcenter on
it has 20GB used.
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2533 [17:21:23] <jelly> also, this is used for commercial purposes
so can't use gratis licences
2534 [17:21:24] <celyr> how are you counting that ?
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2538 [17:22:00] <jelly> looking at host GUI or vcenter GUI where
it says how much cpu, ram and disk is used.
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2540 [17:22:59] <celyr> check with esxtop m
2541 [17:23:00] <jelly> anyway, it makes jessie->stretch of a
physical system rather painless
2542 [17:23:12] <celyr> stretch has not been released yet
2543 [17:23:16] <celyr> are you using it in production ?
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2545 [17:23:30] <jelly> not yet
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2548 [17:24:23] <celyr> Anyhow I'm pretty sure that memory
overhead of esxi is much smaller than 8 gb
2549 [17:24:27] <celyr> or 12
2550 [17:24:37] <jelly> it adds up apparently
2551 [17:24:50] <celyr> you are counting the cache
2552 [17:25:00] <celyr> real overhead is 1gb or so
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2554 [17:25:41] <jelly> I'm not counting it, their GUI is.
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2557 [17:27:08] <jelly> PMEM /MB: 65406 total: 12201 vmk,284
other, 52919 free
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2559 [17:27:42] <jelly> (it's a tiny host with just 64GB
total RAM)
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2561 [17:28:45] <jelly> only got bit by predictable network
interface names
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2622 [17:59:00] <solarengin> Hello I downgraded my laptop but only
HD remained should I re install Debian9
2623 [17:59:19] <towo`> why?
2624 [17:59:19] <solarengin> or is it okay w/o reinstalling
2625 [17:59:25] <solarengin> my pc broken
2626 [17:59:27] <towo`> it should boot
2627 [17:59:50] <towo`> maybe the graphic does not come up,
because of wrong driver
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2629 [18:00:02] <solarengin> it is booting but I am not sure
should I reinstall for performance because It is old pc
2630 [18:00:03] <towo`> but that you only can know
2631 [18:00:06] <solarengin> no it is working
2632 [18:00:28] <solarengin> I am on the laptop I mention
2633 [18:00:39] <tw> Wouldn't reinstall then. No purpose for
it, really.
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2636 [18:00:55] <solarengin> okay thank you :)
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2672 [18:17:56] <ElDiabolo> Hi. How do I list all files from
packages that have been edited?
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2680 [18:21:48] <ElDiabolo> Ah, debsums -ce
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2756 [19:06:20] <Nekrasow1> Today I updated debian. Something went
wrong with dns-resolver.
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2783 [19:17:39] <spacebug^> how can I remove the fonts installed
from ttf-mscorefonts-installer?
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2924 [19:35:41] <Digz> Boy someone really wants us to join that
tor irc server huh :P
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2928 [19:37:29] <GG_Phyduck> Corri why you sharing that union
address? i don't have tor installed.. or a irc client setup to
connect to tor
2929 [19:37:41] <spacebug^> someone more lonely than me :D
2930 [19:38:03] <GG_Phyduck> i'm not lonely but i do lie to
myself.
2931 [19:38:32] <spacebug^> hehe
2932 [19:38:43] <uxfi> What are you guys up to
2933 [19:39:04] <GG_Phyduck> anyway i do wonder what goes on in a
irc server on the dark web. Shady shit i imagine
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2937 [19:40:28] <GG_Phyduck> WAIT WHAT! playstation 4 is only like
200 bucks now ? thats cool
2938 [19:41:11] <GG_Phyduck> sorry should not talke about gaming
here i mean this is a irc room dedicated to debian but still thats
amazed me somewhat
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2941 [19:41:22] <Nekrasow1> Today I updated debian. Something went
wrong with dns-resolver.
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2943 [19:41:59] <GG_Phyduck> what are the contents of
/etc/resolv.conf ? or does debian not use that anymore?
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2946 [19:42:24] <spacebug^> it does use that
2947 [19:42:27] <greycat> man resolv.conf; it's your DNS name
servers and your default DNS search domain
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2950 [19:42:35] <mutante> blames NetworkManager right away
2951 [19:42:38] <Nekrasow1> resolv.conf is sets dynamicaly now
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2954 [19:43:00] <greycat> There are various ways you can attempt
to make it STOP modifying resolv.conf, but it's a project.
2955 [19:43:07] <junka> doesnt systemd do that do already?
2956 [19:43:12] <greycat> *shudder*
2957 [19:43:14] <junka> too*
2958 [19:43:17] <GG_Phyduck> sorry then my knowledge is outdated..
please ask other experts in the irc.. sorry
2959 [19:43:25] <greycat> if systemd ever starts doing that, you
will see me in here screaming
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2961 [19:43:58] <junka> that would be fun to watch
2962 [19:43:59] <junka> :P
2963 [19:44:04] <BluesKaj> nm overwrites any setings in
resolv.conf , dns nameservers shoulkd be enterd in the
/etc/network/interfaces file
2964 [19:44:19] <greycat> what.
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2966 [19:44:19] <Nekrasow1> Resolv.conf is used by NetworkManager
2967 [19:44:26] <greycat> what.
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2969 [19:44:52] <mutante> see, i said NetworkManager, didn't
even have to read all the details :)
2970 [19:44:56] <mutante> hates that
2971 [19:44:59] <koollman> :)
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2973 [19:45:13] <koollman> blame networkmanager, if it's not
enough, blame systemd ;)
2974 [19:45:23] <mutante> sounds accurate, yep
2975 [19:45:24] <codebam> I think networkmanager overwrites
resolv.conf when it starts? replacing it with it's own settings
2976 [19:45:36] <greycat> codebam: *that* one sounds much less
wrong.
2977 [19:45:49] <greycat> Not that I use NM. Ever.
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2980 [19:45:57] <codebam> haha thanks
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2982 [19:46:05] <johnfg> hi folks
2983 [19:46:10] <koollman> greycat: if you want to scream, have a
look at 'nss-myhostname' from systemd. and the associated
bug reports :)
2984 [19:46:12] <greycat> The first thing people need to
understand is that NM is *optional*. It only manages interfaces that
are not already managed in /etc/network/intefaces
2985 [19:46:32] <greycat> koollman: if it's off by default, I
don't even want to KNOW about it.
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2987 [19:46:49] <koollman> well, off on debian by default I think
2988 [19:47:05] <Nekrasow1> I have in
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d have "base" file changed
-> and nameserver added
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2990 [19:47:10] <koollman> but ... not upstream. on redhat, it
re-adds itself after each upgrade
2991 [19:47:25] <johnfg> Is there a flag with xvncviewer, or a cmd
available from the F8 popup, to view another machine in it's
size, or I think it's called resize to viewer in a different
program?
2992 [19:47:37] <greycat> The resolvconf pacakge is ALSO optional,
and can be removed in most cases.
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2994 [19:47:54] <BluesKaj> if you don't use wifi then NM
isn't really necessary , interfaces and resolv.conf can take
care of the ethernet, just need to use a static setting in the the
interfaces file
2995 [19:48:05] <greycat> So, to make Debian stop fucking with
your resolv.conf file, the first two steps are to make sure you
aren't using resolvconf, or network-manager.
2996 [19:48:07] <Nekrasow1> i use wifi
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2998 [19:48:39] <greycat> Then there's your DHCP client
daemon, and *that* one is a real baffler. If your changes to
dhclient.conf don't work, then you just break out the chattr
command and be done with it.
2999 [19:49:09] <BluesKaj> Nekrasow1, yeah, it's easier to
use NM with wifi then trying to configure it in the interfaces
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3001 [19:49:27] <BluesKaj> then=than
3002 [19:49:31] <Nekrasow1> resolv.conf was broken today. It
happened after the update
3003 [19:49:50] <koollman> I really wish there was some global
debconf option "I know what I'm doing, do not touch my
conf". to alternate between 'default configuration that
should work' and 'never ever change what was being done
before' :)
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3005 [19:50:55] <jmcnaught> that is generally what one can expect
while running debian stable
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3007 [19:51:34] <koollman> yeah. but ... it's not what one
gets, usually. Else we would have fewer questions about this kind of
things :)
3008 [19:52:12] <jmcnaught> surprise changes to configs usually
happen to people running testing or unstable
3009 [19:52:22] <BluesKaj> greycat, I don't use NM , but
resolv,conf has this entry: nameserver 127.0.0.53
3010 [19:52:31] <greycat> Is that what you wanted?
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3012 [19:52:41] <BluesKaj> is it necessary?
3013 [19:52:42] <jmcnaught> anywas koollman you might be
interested in
replaced-url
3014 [19:52:53] <greycat> It's your file. You tell me. Is it
what you put there? Is it working?
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3016 [19:53:16] <greycat> jmcnaught: resolv.conf is not a package
conffile, unfortunately.
3017 [19:53:22] <jmcnaught> nameserver 127.0.0.53 is the stub
resolver provided by systemd-resolved.service
3018 [19:53:24] <koollman> jmcnaught: I know most of that.
it's more about the configuration options for packages
3019 [19:53:41] <BluesKaj> I didn't enter anything in
resol.conf, greycat ,,seems to be there by default
3020 [19:53:56] <BluesKaj> resolv,conf rather
3021 [19:54:09] <jmcnaught> koollman: it shows how to tell dpkg to
keep your conffiles without prompting about it
3022 [19:54:25] <greycat> jmcnaught: this is irrelevant to the
current discussion. resolv,conf is not a conffile.
3023 [19:54:33] <koollman> jmcnaught: yep. And yet, my system
changes. and this resolv.conf file changed :)
3024 [19:54:48] <greycat> MANY things battle for control over
resolv.conf
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3026 [19:55:01] <greycat> Each of them thinks it's got some
good reason for rewriting it.
3027 [19:55:11] <jmcnaught> sorry koollman was asking 'I
really wish there was some global debconf option "I know what
I'm doing, do not touch my conf"'
3028 [19:55:14] <koollman> and most of them are wrong :)
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3030 [19:55:33] <koollman> jmcnaught: yes. but there is not. there
are for some configuration files. but not others
3031 [19:55:36] <codebam> anyone know where I can change what dns
servers dnsmasq uses to resolve if the result isn't already
cached?
3032 [19:55:38] <BluesKaj> greycat, so i can live without
resolv.conf
3033 [19:55:44] <greycat> I even had a solution that invovles
modifying dhclient.conf which worked perfectly well at work.., but
*NOT* at home.
3034 [19:55:50] <greycat> BluesKaj: what, no!
3035 [19:55:58] <greycat> BluesKaj: it's a SUPER FUCKING
IMPORTANT file.
3036 [19:56:01] <koollman> BluesKaj: not really. need that to
solve names, pretty useful
3037 [19:56:07] <greycat> That's why there is so much drama
over things that break it.
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3041 [19:56:36] <koollman> actually, now that I think about it...
it would be a fun reason to learn more selinux stuff.
3042 [19:57:31] <jmcnaught> codebam: dnsmasq will use what's
in /etc/resolv.conf
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3044 [19:58:06] <codebam> jmcnaught: that doesn't make sense.
resolv.conf is set to 127.0.0.1 because that's what dnsmasq is
running on
3045 [19:58:36] <codebam> are you saying dnsmasq will check for
the second entry in resolv.conf?
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3050 [19:59:10] <jmcnaught> codebam: yes, or you can tell it to
use a different file with -r
3051 [19:59:42] <greycat> For the vast majority of Debian users,
there will be three sane ways to manage resolv.conf. Either you use
the nameserver IPs provided by DHCP; or you use Google's public
nameserver IPs; or you run your own resolver and use 127.0.0.1
3052 [20:00:01] <greycat> For the last two, you have modified
resolv.conf yourself, and you DO NOT WANT any software changing it.
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3054 [20:00:42] <codebam> oh okay, cool. so since I'm using
dnsmasq with networkmanager using the option for it inside
networkmanager's config. would I set the resolv.conf
nameservers inside /etc/network/interfaces?
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3059 [20:02:39] <jmcnaught> codebam: networkmanager doesn't
have a way to specify the upstream nameservers?
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3061 [20:03:15] <jmcnaught> codebam: generally networkmanager is
separate from /e/n/interfaces and ignore interfaces defined there.
It's not clear what you're trying to do though
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3065 [20:04:04] <codebam> so I'm already using networkmanager
with dnsmasq, I just want to change what nameservers are used to
resolve secondary to when it's already cached
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3073 [20:07:02] <jmcnaught> codebam: you can add custom DNS to a
NM connection in its GUI
3074 [20:07:19] <codebam> so I just add it under additional dns
servers?
3075 [20:07:34] <jmcnaught> yeah
3076 [20:07:35] * greycat has absolutely no clue what is being asked
here
3077 [20:07:46] <codebam> oh cool
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3079 [20:07:59] <maxxe> stretch!
3080 [20:08:14] <greycat> What does "secondary to when
it's already cacned" mean? What does dnsmasq do
differently from, say, dnscache or bind in recursive resolver mode?
3081 [20:08:52] <codebam> greycat: dnsmasq is a daemon for dns
query caching, I have networkmanager setup to use dnsmasq via an
option that's built in. I was just wondering how to change the
servers that are used to resolve when it's not being read from
dnsmasq's cache
3082 [20:09:02] <codebam> so I got it working now
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3084 [20:09:16] <codebam> just had to change it inside
networkmanager
3085 [20:10:14] <greycat> So it's like a paper-thin proxy in
front of a real DNS resolver? It can't look up anything by
itself, so you have to provide it with the IP of a *real* resolver
that can do all the heavy lifting for it?
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3091 [20:10:39] * greycat wonders why anyone would use this instead of
just installing a working resolver
3092 [20:11:32] <codebam> greycat: yeah, and because after the
first resolve new resolves are basically instantaneous. like 1ms
3093 [20:12:11] <jmcnaught> i use the dnsmasq instance configured
by libvirt's private network as my first resolver so that i can
resolve hostnames of VMs in jessie
3094 [20:12:12] <codebam> but you don't actually have to
provide it an address to use. it defaults to the default resolver
for the network if you don't specify
3095 [20:12:29] <greycat> codebam: a real resolver would also have
that property
3096 [20:12:30] <koollman> greycat: usually, that's not the
goal of dnsmasq. it's an all-in-one solution for dhcp+minimal
dns resolver. But sometimes it's used as cache with a forwarder
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3098 [20:12:55] <codebam> greycat: but not instant. the advantage
is that resolves are instant after you resolve once
3099 [20:13:04] <greycat> codebam: a real resolver would also have
that property
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3101 [20:13:14] <codebam> no?
3102 [20:13:38] <jmcnaught> a recursive resolver wouldn't be
configured through NetworkManager though
3103 [20:14:24] <greycat> titan:~$ dnsqr A
replaced-url
3104 [20:14:27] <greycat> 0.00user 0.00system 0:00.00elapsed 0%CPU
(0avgtext+0avgdata 1204maxresident)k
3105 [20:14:29] <greycat> 0inputs+0outputs
(0major+68minor)pagefaults 0swaps
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3107 [20:14:41] <greycat> Hmm, damn, it ran the wrong
"time" command.
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3109 [20:14:55] <SuperSeriousCat> I use dnsmasq as a cache. It get
its DNS's from a few DNSCrypt servers with DNSSEC support
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3112 [20:15:09] <greycat> titan:~$ TIMEFORMAT='%R %U
%S'; time dnsqr A
replaced-url
3113 [20:15:09] <greycat> 0.003 0.000 0.000
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3115 [20:15:16] <greycat> That's what I wanted.
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3119 [20:16:10] <koollman> codebam: most dns resolver have some
kind of caching system
3120 [20:16:10] <codebam> SuperSeriousCat: how do I configure it
with dnsmasq? or are you not using networkmanager?
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3123 [20:16:43] <SuperSeriousCat> Configured using CLI
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3125 [20:16:51] <codebam> koollman: oh okay
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3127 [20:17:07] <codebam> and okay. probably not possible using
networkmanager
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3129 [20:17:26] <SuperSeriousCat> Think it is
3130 [20:17:56] <SuperSeriousCat> Saw something about
networkmanager in the guide. Google "Arch DNSCRypt" if you
want a good tutorial
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3135 [20:19:53] <greycat> Given a standard non-ancient desktop
computer in the year 2017, is there actually a realistic reason
someone would want this dnsmasq proxy instead of just running a
regular resolver?
3136 [20:20:15] <codebam> SuperSeriousCat: okay cool, I'll
check that out
3137 [20:20:31] <koollman> greycat: many tutorials for it, because
it's tiny and is popular on home routers
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3139 [20:20:45] <tw> greycat: like a full instance of bind? or
sssd?
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3141 [20:21:01] <greycat> tw: personally I'm using dnscache
from djbdns
3142 [20:21:17] <koollman> greycat: otherwise, no. although it
technically is a regular resolver
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3144 [20:21:40] <jmcnaught> it's a forwarding resolver
3145 [20:22:08] <SuperSeriousCat> Dont they all forward?
3146 [20:22:13] <koollman> no
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3148 [20:22:34] <greycat> Most of them can be configured to
forward for specific internal domains, etc.
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3150 [20:22:59] <jmcnaught> others are recursive
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3152 [20:23:09] <koollman> 'usually' you either have a
very minimal resolver, that will forward. then you have a
'real' recursive resolver, that knows the '.'
zone from some hint file
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3154 [20:23:26] <koollman> and then the authoritative server,
although not needed usually on the client side
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3157 [20:24:11] <greycat> My plastic-router seems to have some
sort of forwarding DNS built into it, which sends requests on to the
ISP's nameservers, which tend not to be super fast. So I run
dnscache locally instead.
3158 [20:24:13] <SuperSeriousCat> authorative as in 8.8.8.8?
3159 [20:24:16] <koollman> dnsmasq is authoritative (for tiny
zones usually) and forwarding resolver. Not sure if you can make it
a full recursive resolver, too
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3161 [20:24:42] <koollman> SuperSeriousCat: no. as in 'This
dns is the official dns server for the domain example.com'
3162 [20:24:47] <greycat> "authoritative" means
it's the actual registered name server for a given domain, as
in "debian.org name server sec2.rcode0.net"
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3165 [20:25:53] <koollman> and recursive means you start from the
root (which is '.') authoritative server and get down to
the answer you want by asking various authoritative servers
3166 [20:25:58] <greycat> There are two types of DNS name servers.
Authoritative ones only answer queries for their specific domains.
Recursive resolvers answer queries from end user client apps, by
talking to authoritative name servers.
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3168 [20:26:23] <koollman> greycat: well, 3, with forwarding
'stub' servers . but I get your point :)
3169 [20:26:56] <greycat> Forwarding is just an extra bonus
feature of a recursive resolver.
3170 [20:27:07] <codebam> I think I got dnscrypt working... not
really sure
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3172 [20:28:01] <SuperSeriousCat> You can do a tcpdump to check
that
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3174 [20:29:00] <SuperSeriousCat> Actually, if you just installed
it locally on a PC you can just nslookup
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3177 [20:29:48] <codebam> SuperSeriousCat: how will I know if
it's going through dnscrypt though with nslookup?
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3180 [20:30:03] <codebam> since I have dnsmasq running too
3181 [20:30:22] <codebam> caching it's queries
3182 [20:30:30] <SuperSeriousCat> You see what nameserver it asked
3183 [20:30:57] <codebam> yeah 127.0.0.1
3184 [20:31:02] <codebam> which is dnsmasq
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3186 [20:31:18] <codebam> I have no way of knowing where dnsmasq
got it from
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3190 [20:32:52] <SuperSeriousCat> sudo tcpdump -i eth0 dst host
77.66.84.233 or src host 77.66.84.233 -n
3191 [20:33:17] <SuperSeriousCat> Change IP to the DNSCrypt
resolver you setup. You shall see 2 :443 at each DNs query you do
3192 [20:33:29] <tw> which is the same as `host <ip>` which
would match either end.
3193 [20:33:36] <codebam> ah okay, cool
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3195 [20:34:05] <SuperSeriousCat> Good point, tw :P
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3221 [20:43:52] <greycat> Ah good, security.debian.org is back.
3222 [20:44:31] <greycat> For the person (long ago!) who wanted a
document about how Debian security works, check
replaced-url
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3228 [20:45:36] <goddddd> hid3?
3229 [20:45:40] <goddddd> the rigt 1?
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3238 [20:48:04] <codebam> SuperSeriousCat: I'm not seeing any
output when I leave that running (I switched it to the interface
I'm using) and run "dig example.com"
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3240 [20:50:41] <SuperSeriousCat> Strange. Setup dnsmasq to log
and tail it
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3244 [20:53:12] <codebam> is there a reason you chose that
specific ip address? is that the default dnscrypt server?
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3246 [20:53:47] <DammitJim> I don't know why I am upset about
this request from upper management, but...
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3248 [20:54:12] <DammitJim> what antivirus should I install on my
Debian servers?
3249 [20:54:24] <SuperSeriousCat> It is just one of the ones I use
3250 [20:54:32] <DammitJim> maybe I feel like this because I never
considered it... I just thought of it as more work and potential for
more problems
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3252 [20:54:38] <centrx> DammitJim: clamav
3253 [20:54:50] <greycat> dammitjim: Is it intended to protect the
Debian server, or are you receiving email, and you want to protect
the end user workstations who read the email?
3254 [20:55:02] <DammitJim> the debian server
3255 [20:55:20] <DammitJim> we have a different email system we
outsource
3256 [20:55:44] <codebam> it doesn't need an antivirus.
selinux might be of interest, but it'll probably break things
3257 [20:55:58] <codebam> clamav is mostly for scanning for
windows viruses
3258 [20:56:04] <codebam> i.e. in emails
3259 [20:56:14] <greycat> Attacks against Unix-type systems are
usually in form of "worms" that target a vulnerable
network service.
3260 [20:56:36] <greycat> To protect against worms, you just make
sure you keep up to date on security patches.
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3264 [20:57:27] <centrx> clamav checks the box for the
organization, it's solid, it's free, and it's in the
Debian archive
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3267 [20:57:52] <codebam> you might want to install something like
fail2ban or disable ssh password login altogether
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3269 [20:58:20] <greycat> codebam: sounds like he doesn't
actually want to secure his system, so much as to give the illusion
that he has secured his system
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3271 [20:58:41] <codebam> ah haha okay
3272 [20:58:55] <greycat> To convince Dilbert's pointy-haired
boss that all is well.
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3276 [20:59:39] <codebam> I wonder if his bosses name is Jim
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3289 [21:07:09] <DammitJim> clamAV, great
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3293 [21:07:44] <DammitJim> greycat, I said that to management
3294 [21:07:50] <DammitJim> they said, you put it on the servers
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3303 [21:16:15] <foul_owl> Anyone use rhythmbox on stretch? Does
it have a built in album art browser? (The version on jessie needs a
plugin and it's very buggy)
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3379 [22:01:53] <jhutchins_wk> The only thing clam AV actually
does, other than eat resources, is meet the audit requirement to
have an AV program on a box. It does that well.
3380 [22:02:09] <greycat> you can tell because it has
"av" in the name
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3383 [22:02:35] <jhutchins_wk> Ach, he's gone.
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3386 [22:03:59] <jhutchins_wk> AVG actually provides some real
protection.
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3388 [22:04:23] <greycat> N: Unable to locate package avg
3389 [22:04:41] <greycat> Ah, bot says "proprietary".
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3395 [22:06:17] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yep, free for home use
though.
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3397 [22:06:28] <jhutchins_wk> There are new ones since I last
looked, like comodo.
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3439 [22:24:59] <ross`> for some reason udhcpd isn't giving
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3440 [22:25:12] <ross`> I have the eth0 set correctly.
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3482 [22:50:43] <jhutchins> ross`: How did you configure it?
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3485 [22:53:00] <egrain> i'm running debian 7. how do i find
out if i'm on efi or not?
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3487 [22:53:34] <greycat> *usually* the easiest way would be to
type "df" and see if there is a /boot/efi file system
3488 [22:55:10] <egrain> i don't have one in df, but fdisk -l
says there is one. so it's created but not mounted and therefor
not used?
3489 [22:55:14] <egrain> what a weird installation.
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3491 [22:56:05] <egrain> ah, no. there it is.
3492 [22:56:17] <jhutchins_wk> egrain: Since it's usually
pre-boot, there's no real reason to mount it.
3493 [22:56:26] <jhutchins_wk> egrain: Unless you're
modifying it.
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3495 [22:56:50] <egrain> the efi parition is mounted as /boot
3496 [22:56:54] <egrain> that's why i didn't see it.
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3498 [22:57:09] <egrain> anyway, thanks a bunch.
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3500 [22:57:47] <egrain> but then there is no /boot/efi just
/boot/grub
3501 [22:57:50] <egrain> this is very confusing to me.
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3518 [23:05:01] <r7st> anyone have any experience making openssh
and dropbear play nice?
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3527 [23:06:54] <r7st> trying to do pub/priv key auth between the
two
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3530 [23:08:48] <r7st> i can ssh into my local machine, then to
non-root on my vps, but then NOT to root on it? thats with password
auth. i can't get keys to work at all in either direction.
dropbearconvert doesn't seem to be helping
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3537 [23:10:33] <fgdsfg> i could connect yesterday to a machine
through ssh just fine, and today I get connection refused.. NOTHING
has changed on the remote machine, so why such thing happens to me?
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3547 [23:15:11] <r7st> fgdsfg: are you using a dynamic ip?
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3552 [23:18:03] <egrain> grub.cfg says nothing about efi
whatsoever. so i'm going with not an efi system. any
objections?
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3554 [23:18:06] <`Kevin> fgdsfg: refused suggests firewall or sshd
not listening on that ip/port
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3556 [23:19:21] <`Kevin> egrain: thats up to you, if you do not
need what efi offers skip it
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3558 [23:21:04] <fgdsfg> `Kevin no firewall and yesterday it was
working ,why would ssh stop listening and what can I do about it
from outside?
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3561 [23:22:11] <`Kevin> fgdsfg: thats something you will have to
debug :|, what remote access options do you have?
3562 [23:22:45] <fgdsfg> I had ssh
3563 [23:23:34] <`Kevin> and nothing else? is this a `cloud` vm or
something
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3565 [23:24:46] <egrain> `Kevin, i need to find out if i'm
already on uefi or not. that's all. it's a remote server.
i don't have access to the bios so i have to go with what is
already running.
3566 [23:25:54] <`Kevin> egrain: are you able to boot into an
existing OS? (havent read backscroll)
3567 [23:26:36] <jmcnaught> egrain: check to see if you have
grub-pc (bios) or grub-efi-amd64 installed
3568 [23:26:43] <egrain> `Kevin, yes, i'm on debian 7 right
now. there is an efi partition mounted as /boot, but there is no
/boot/efi, just /boot/grub. and the grub.cfg doesn't mention
efi either. just "prefix" when i grep -i efi.
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3573 [23:27:46] <fgdsfg> `Kevin nevermind, you're as lost as
me
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3575 [23:28:05] <`Kevin> egrain: try using efibootmgr
3576 [23:28:18] <`Kevin> see if it runs or bombs out(efi not
suppported)
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3579 [23:29:12] <fgdsfg>
replaced-url
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3581 [23:29:19] <egrain> efibootmgr gives me a few things. last
line: Boot0007* UEFI OS
3582 [23:29:24] <egrain> so it's efi after all?
3583 [23:29:24] <`Kevin> egrain: also does this dir exist
/sys/firmware/efi
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3585 [23:29:34] <`Kevin> if so you are likely booting with efi
3586 [23:29:34] <egrain> oh. wrong machine. haha. wait.
3587 [23:29:44] <fgdsfg> amazon creates instances whose ssh stops
working after a day, and then you have to buy an extra one and
reboot your instance if you want to recover it
3588 [23:29:47] <fgdsfg> not gonna happen
3589 [23:29:53] <fgdsfg> fucking idiots
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3593 [23:30:12] <egrain> there is no efibootmgr installed.
/sys/firmware doesn't have efi. just acpi and memmap
3594 [23:30:17] <egrain> so no uefi.
3595 [23:30:22] <egrain> thanks so much.
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3597 [23:31:15] <egrain> `Kevin, forgot to name you in my
response. read my 3 previous lines, please. thanks.
3598 [23:31:53] <_KaszpiR_> '<fgdsfg> amazon creates
instances whose ssh stops working after a day, and then you have to
buy an extra one and reboot your instance if you want to recover it
'
3599 [23:31:54] <_KaszpiR_> what
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3601 [23:32:19] <`Kevin> _KaszpiR_: he is mis-reading :)
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3604 [23:33:21] <_KaszpiR_> yeah, sounds like total bullshit
3605 [23:33:27] <fgdsfg> `Kevin are you talking about me, sore
loser?
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3607 [23:34:04] <`Kevin> fgdsfg: sounds like you would be the sore
loser, i simply stated you mis-read that blog it isnt aws's
fault
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3610 [23:34:29] <fgdsfg> found more than 100 websites with people
suffering the same issue, all of a sudden amazon ssh stops working
3611 [23:34:40] <fgdsfg> if you can't help me it's okay
3612 [23:34:42] <_KaszpiR_> it's not amazon fault
3613 [23:34:44] <fgdsfg> but avoid judging me
3614 [23:34:51] <_KaszpiR_> more like canonical giving shitty
ubuntu images
3615 [23:34:56] <`Kevin> ^
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3618 [23:35:07] <fgdsfg> images amazon provides, and amazon
doesn't allow you to choose a different one
3619 [23:35:16] <_KaszpiR_> yeah right
3620 [23:35:23] <fgdsfg> if amazon provides bad images, then
it's amazon fault
3621 [23:35:25] <_KaszpiR_> there is a plenty of images out there
3622 [23:35:28] <fgdsfg> what the fuck ahve I misread?
3623 [23:35:28] <`Kevin> fgdsfg: when i ran on amazon i built my
own images
3624 [23:35:37] <_KaszpiR_> learn to run your own images?
3625 [23:35:38] <fgdsfg> I don't give a fuck about what you
do
3626 [23:35:43] <_KaszpiR_> aws allows to publish images,
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3628 [23:35:56] <fgdsfg> I expect ssh not to fail 24 hours later
after I buy a machine and I've done nothing in it, and if it
fails, it's obviusly my provider's fault
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3630 [23:36:04] <_KaszpiR_> the only operating ssytem tehy
actually support officialyy is Amazon Linux
3631 [23:36:20] <`Kevin> fgdsfg: if you are running an image built
by someone you dont even know then what are your actual expecations?
3632 [23:36:22] <_KaszpiR_> not really, more like misconfiguration
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3634 [23:36:40] <_KaszpiR_> aws really does not interfere into the
ubuntu images
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3636 [23:36:58] <_KaszpiR_> they are built by canonical
3637 [23:37:02] <_KaszpiR_> and published as official
3638 [23:37:08] <_KaszpiR_> blame canonical
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3645 [23:38:32] <`Kevin> fgdsfg: if the `machine` is up and
running and sshd is not running then it is a software configuration
problem or version(buggy?) it is not a provider fault
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3650 [23:39:38] <fgdsfg> shut up clown, if I pay for something I
expect that something not to fail if I don't touch it
3651 [23:39:43] <fgdsfg> but how could you understand
3652 [23:39:47] <fgdsfg> you still live at your parents house
3653 [23:39:51] <`Kevin> fgdsfg: fix your expecations then as you
are not understanding
3654 [23:40:02] <`Kevin> expectations/
3655 [23:40:20] <`Kevin> amazon isnt selling you a OS
3656 [23:40:23] <`Kevin> you chose the OS
3657 [23:40:39] <_KaszpiR_> lol
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3659 [23:40:49] <_KaszpiR_> this guy is awesome
3660 [23:40:57] <jmcnaught> let's all drop it please
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3662 [23:41:01] <fgdsfg> can anyone confirm if these two are
trolls, or just retarded?
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3665 [23:41:13] <_KaszpiR_> look into the mirror, please
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3669 [23:41:55] <_KaszpiR_> fgdsfg you can always send ticket to
the AWS Support for help
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3672 [23:42:25] <sponge> Hello
3673 [23:42:50] <johnkeates> We've run out of hello's.
All we have left is a slightly used hi
3674 [23:42:59] <uxfi> Sponge bob squarepants?
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3680 [23:44:00] <sponge> a member of the sponge family :)
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3683 [23:44:32] <sponge> Does anyone know if there's a way to
edit RSIbreak settings, so that only being idle for more than 10-30
seconds will count as being idle? That's in order to make the
"total time of activity" more accurate.
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3690 [23:45:26] <_KaszpiR_> fgdsfg one more thing, in my
experience with debian/ubuntu and AWS I've had some issues with
certain ubuntu ami images, sometimes they were failing from the
start or misbehaved after some time - but those were ususally some
daily builds, LTS distributions tend to work ok
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3692 [23:46:45] <SuperTramp83> I have one hello but I'm
keeping it, inflation..
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3703 [23:53:49] <fgdsfg> _KaszpiR_: yeah well, I'm just going
to switch to another vps provider
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3706 [23:54:57] <_KaszpiR_> sure
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3709 [23:55:46] <sclerosis> big moni
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3711 [23:56:30] <buu> If
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3714 [23:56:39] <buu> If I have
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libOpenCL.so.1 installed, why can't
gcc -l OpenCL find it?
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3720 [23:59:36] <_KaszpiR_> cause you need dev package?
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