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106[01:10:50] <agio> does anyone know how to view the definition of a virtual package?
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108[01:11:05] <agio> I tried apt-cache show <package>
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111[01:11:27] <agio> apt-cache prints error "package is virtual"
112[01:11:37] <joepublic> for virtual packages, apt-rdepends might be more helpful
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114[01:12:36] <agio> ok, thanks, I'll give it a try
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120[01:14:08] <agio> I tried apt-rdepends <package> and nothing
121[01:14:19] <agio> what am I missing?
122[01:14:55] <joepublic> I will agree that that's odd.
123[01:16:28] <agio> apt-rdepends is not showing the recommends... maybe thats it
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126[01:18:46] <agio> my problem is I installed enigmail and it pulled in pinentry-qt as a dependency - which has totally changed my pinentry setup
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129[01:21:58] <joepublic> pinentry does not provide other things; rather, it is provided by whatever pinentry-whatever package you have so that things that just depend on "pinentry" will know that it's installed regardless of which package is providing it
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133[01:23:28] <agio> how do you mean "it does not provide other things"?
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135[01:24:05] <agio> do you mean like if I installed firefox-esr, that package would "provide" x-replaced-url
136[01:24:13] <joepublic> agio, yes, exactly
137[01:24:15] <agio> where x-replaced-url
138[01:24:35] <agio> ok
139[01:25:41] <joepublic> possibly helpful output: replaced-url
140[01:26:03] <agio> so does that mean upon installing firefox-esr, dpkg/apt will update a database somewhere saying " the system now has the virtual package x-replaced-url
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142[01:27:10] <agio> joepublic: thanks for link, interesting
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146[01:29:33] <agio> joepublic: in the example you pasted, you tried to manually install and it told you "to choose a real packaage which provides pinentry"
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148[01:29:54] <agio> but most packages are installed automatically as dependecies
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150[01:30:15] <agio> so what happens if a package specified pinentry as a dependency or recommend?
151[01:30:16] <joepublic> yes. I don't know where to go look for virtual packages; dpkg -l doesn't seem to list them.
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153[01:31:35] <joepublic> I suspect the answer to that question would go a long way toward explaining how to fix your issue.
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172[01:45:02] <MarxXXL> hmm, dpkg is keeping its lists somewhere
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174[01:45:47] <MarxXXL> /var/cache, /var/lib .. I'm android, can't check
175[01:46:08] <MarxXXL> but if they include 'provides' ..
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180[01:47:10] <MarxXXL> I once successfully edited out an unnecessary 'conflicts' line
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184[01:54:15] <agio> yes, well its (another) apt mystery
185[01:54:42] <agio> according to the debian policy manual
186[01:54:44] <agio> replaced-url
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189[01:55:15] <agio> package maintainers are supposed to follow this policy:
190[01:55:20] <agio> "To specify which of a set of real packages should be the default to satisfy a particular dependency on a virtual package, list the real package as an alternative before the virtual one."
191[01:56:16] <agio> so they should declare the virtual only as a fallback after having specified a preferred real one
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194[02:04:51] <broseph> Can a hard drive be encrypted after the install?
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202[02:08:12] <JPT> broseph: Technically, yes. But you may need to temporarily copy all your data to an external/alternative drive in order to prepare the encrypted containers. Depending on your setup, there /may/ be tools to allow in-place encryption. But i would not count on it.
203[02:08:19] <FinalX> broseph: no and yes, in that order. there's no easy way of doing that and the best answer is probably "no". However, you could technically reduce your partitions to the smallest size possible, make a new one, copy data over, delete the old partition and grow the new.. or something.. but.. it's very cumbersome
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205[02:09:10] <whislock> It can also come with security issues. Data remnance from the unencrypted data that existed previously on the disk.
206[02:09:23] <JPT> If you have verified that your backups are working and safe, perhaps this may be a tool worth reading about: replaced-url
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209[02:12:09] <agio> you don't encrypt hard drives, you encrypt data
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211[02:12:24] <JPT> Right. Forgot about that detail. :)
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214[02:14:14] <FinalX> if it's a spinning rust disk you might get away with just dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=1M in your encrypted mount to fill the disk and make it rewrite everything on the platter with encrypted stuff, though that's usually not very good either (and rm the file after)
215[02:14:28] <JPT> Oh - additional thought: If you plan to enable your hard drive's encryption feature: Expect to lose your data unless you have a backup. I have no clue how these features work.
216[02:14:46] <FinalX> if you're on ssd, you should just not do that, won't matter.. as data gets swapped out and you won't necessarily ever hit the same die when you try.. secure erasing is faster/better
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219[02:17:16] <agio> it depends on whether you want to encrypt the system partition or some data
220[02:17:20] <agio> partition
221[02:17:31] <agio> or swap
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224[02:17:48] <agio> data partitions could be done in place, as described
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228[02:19:41] <agio> but system or swap would possibly require booting into a different kernel/recovery system and reconfiguring how the sytem partition is formatted, how that filesytem is mounted via /etc/cryptab and etc/fstab
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258[02:39:01] <violentE> kernel panic - run-init: /sbin/init no such file or directory can't access tty; job control turned off. Im running debian stretch 4.9.0-6-amd64. Basically booting up, I get a terminal as root with the errors.
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262[02:45:01] <themill> violentE: anything changed recently? (changing init systems, moving disks around, altering grub config, ...)
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264[02:45:49] <violentE> I did an update recently, hadn't restarted since I did that
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267[02:46:40] <violentE> I've read on some places that say thats what can cause this I guess
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275[02:53:45] <SerajewelKS> is the default ext4 inode ratio appropriate for a disk that will only hold maildirs, or should i use a smaller ratio (more inodes)?
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278[02:55:15] <whislock> SerajewelKS: You could just 'mkfs.ext4 -T small /dev/blah' - /etc/mke2fs.conf has a bunch of presets.
279[02:55:21] <SerajewelKS> i just ran some numbers on my own maildir and i have about a 50kB average file size
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282[02:55:41] <SerajewelKS> based on this -T big or -T huge would actually be sufficient, but this doesn't seem right to me
283[02:55:42] <whislock> Then the default inode ratio wouldn't be terrible.
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285[02:55:56] <SerajewelKS> (and presumably big would be the default for this filesystem)
286[02:56:02] <SerajewelKS> that seems "too easy" to me
287[02:56:21] <whislock> No. Big doubles the inode ratio over the defaults.
288[02:56:25] <SerajewelKS> i just know this can't be changed later without recreating the filesystem so i'd like to get it right ahead of time
289[02:56:38] <SerajewelKS> oh right
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291[02:57:07] <SerajewelKS> oh. no, it defaults to big for 4TB - 16TB filesystems.
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293[02:57:22] <SerajewelKS> the defaults apply to 512MB - 4TB filesystems
294[02:57:57] <SerajewelKS> but yeah, it looks like the defaults might actually create too many inodes, which is not at all what i expected
295[02:58:13] <SerajewelKS> but i guess better too many than too few
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300[02:59:43] <whislock> I've had far more cases of running out of inodes than running out of space.
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304[03:02:24] <SerajewelKS> right, that's why i want to make sure there are enough inodes for the maildirs
305[03:02:56] <whislock> Defaults seem fine, then.
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340[03:31:11] <d9a> I'm looking for a usb wifi adapter to use on my laptop that doesn't need the non-free repo enabled. does this exist?
341[03:32:17] <dvs> good luck with that!
342[03:32:45] <d9a> I do know that some atheros chipsets have free drivers, but it seems that you might still have to enable the non-free repo to use them. Is this true?
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344[03:32:50] <rant> d9a: yes
345[03:33:28] <d9a> rant: So it's not possible to have wireless without the non-free repo?
346[03:33:40] <rant> d9a: I have a netgear wg111v3 that has a 8189b in it and it doesnt require non-free firmware however it also doesnt work with the new predictable ifnames, it has to have those turned off
347[03:34:03] <rant> d9a: its possible, you just need a card that doesnt have non-free firmware
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349[03:34:28] <joepublic> d9a, h-node.org lists hardware that works with free software only
350[03:34:34] <n4dir> i had that netgear too, but it broke a few months back. good one.
351[03:35:03] <d9a> joepublic: I'm seeing stuff that does, but I don't see Debian support
352[03:35:19] <rant> I know for a fact the wg111v3 works without non-free firmware you just have to boot with net.ifnames=0 because it will SEEM to work but wont actually connect when using predictable ifnames
353[03:35:42] <rant> you can get them on ebay for next to nothing
354[03:36:11] <joepublic> well, their submitters generally test using debian or debian-derived distributions.
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356[03:36:40] <wingman2> oh wow i had no idea
357[03:38:27] <d9a> I'm just asking because the one Free Software Foundation certified USB wifi adapter requires the non-free repo on Debian
358[03:38:36] <d9a> I'm guessing it's because of how it's packaged
359[03:39:14] <d9a> replaced-url
360[03:39:38] <d9a> Even though ath9k_htc is free software
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363[03:40:15] <joepublic> looks from that url like the free software support will be implemented in buster, the upcoming version of debian
364[03:40:41] <d9a> joepublic: I did not see that. That's good news.
365[03:40:59] <d9a> joepublic: I'm blind
366[03:41:01] <d9a> Thank you so much
367[03:41:09] <d9a> That is concrete info that helps.
368[03:41:13] <d9a> I'm an idiot for not seeing that.
369[03:41:20] <wingman2> wow they opensourced it?
370[03:42:18] <joepublic> No. It was a GSoC project.
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373[03:43:11] <wingman2> replaced-url
374[03:43:50] <joepublic> replaced-url
375[03:44:00] <violentE> how do you mount a hard drive (debian) that has a boot key (usb)
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377[03:45:02] <d9a> violentE: What do you mean by boot key?
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379[03:45:29] <wingman2> joepublic: "Update This firmware is now open, so this project is no longer an idea, to contribute check out:"
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381[03:46:45] <joepublic> So it is. Released BSD.
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383[03:47:51] <wingman2> yeah i wouldn't have believed it either
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386[03:49:14] <wingman2> if you'd told me they would open source it I would have said "get out of here"
387[03:51:22] <violentE> d9a: a usb file thats setup as to decrypt the hard drive. if the usb isn't present during start up the OS doesn't start. The usb has a file on it that asks for a password that unlocks it, when then once unlocked, decrypts the hard drive
388[03:51:48] <d9a> violentE: Ah. It has a key file
389[03:52:10] <violentE> oh right
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391[03:52:34] <violentE> so do you know how I mount the hard drive with a key file
392[03:53:02] <d9a> nope. sorry. Once I understood, I realized I don't know
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394[03:57:15] <n4dir> friend of mine did with luks or cryptsetup ( i never understood the difference ), and it was pretty straight forward, but too long ago.
395[03:57:34] <n4dir> if you google that you will quickly get a result. I assume you did and that didn't work. That info is needed.
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397[03:58:33] <violentE> I did do a google, no luck
398[03:58:50] <n4dir> but the mentioned cryptsetup is involved?
399[03:59:11] <violentE> yeah
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401[03:59:34] <n4dir> replaced-url
402[03:59:46] <n4dir> you might wanna ask at a different time, when the channel is more active.
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404[04:00:11] <violentE> thats how to setup it up
405[04:00:13] <violentE> I got that
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407[04:00:51] <violentE> I get kernel panic when I boot up and I thought I could fix it by doing this: replaced-url
408[04:01:05] <violentE> but I can't quite get it to mount
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411[04:02:32] <n4dir> update-initramfs -u -k all ? The (sadly) german ubuntu has all commands listed nicely, but commands are commands, so i guess german doesn't matter: replaced-url
412[04:02:53] <n4dir> but, as said, i only heard of how to do it. Best i can offer, ask again in a few hours
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414[04:03:48] <violentE> er wouldn't I need to do the update-initramfs only when the os is mounted?
415[04:04:44] <n4dir> that wiki says if you want to decrypt during boot you have to edit crypttab and run said command.
416[04:04:52] <n4dir> with keyfile, sorry.
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421[04:10:31] <n4dir> well: and as usual the arch wiki has info, and in English
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508[05:23:59] <altker128> It looks like IPV6 on lo, even though that's disabled
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540[05:45:53] <altker128> I guess the program is creating a tcp6 socket which can bind both ipv6 and ipv6
541[05:45:56] <altker128> err, ipv4
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552[05:56:31] <whislock> Is that leading to a functional issue?
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570[06:14:57] <altker128> whislock: Not really . I was more curious why I was seeing that since I had set the sysctl's to disable IPV6 . It's not enabled on any wired interfaces, only lo
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572[06:16:00] <cryptodan_mobile> I use grub command line to disable ipv6 it's more successful
573[06:16:29] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: Yes, I do that as well normally. I've noticed however some packages (poorly) now don't work if IPV6 isn't available
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576[06:16:48] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: Sometimes I can work around it (i.e. nginx, just modify the default config file), other times not so successful
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587[06:21:59] <whislock> Given that there's absolutely no reason to disable ipv6, it's not surprising that things don't work with it disabled.
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590[06:23:49] <bltzfsck> chromium doesn't see the chromecast on my local wifi.
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593[06:25:06] <bltzfsck> could that be because it's new years eve and it's drunk?
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602[06:29:17] <altker128> bltzfsck: Heh
603[06:29:34] <altker128> bltzfsck: I think the Chrome cast / Chromium all use mDNS to find each other
604[06:29:41] <altker128> bltzfsck: Can you ping the Chromcast itself?
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610[06:38:28] <karlpinc> whislock: There is not "no reason" to disable IPv6. If you want a firewall you'd need to configure both IPv4 and IPv6 if your passing IPv6 through the firewall.
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617[06:48:03] <whislock> There is absolutely. No. Reason. To disable ipv6. Period.
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637[07:12:18] <CrystalMath> whislock: what if you simply don't use IPv6?
638[07:13:28] <CrystalMath> whislock: isn't keeping IPv6 kinda just... making a mess
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642[07:18:00] <whislock> No, it isnt. That it somehow simplifies things is one of the common myths around why people disable ipv6.
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659[07:32:40] <CrystalMath> whislock: oh well, i didn't disable it
660[07:32:47] <CrystalMath> whislock: even though i don't use it
661[07:33:03] <CrystalMath> i just didn't feel like spending the time to figure out how to disable it completely
662[07:33:15] <CrystalMath> and i guess no matter what it'll still be in the kernel
663[07:33:29] <CrystalMath> and i only recompile that when there's something in the kernel that i'm particularly against
664[07:33:42] <CrystalMath> IPv6 is just a very minor nuisance
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666[07:33:49] <CrystalMath> a much more serious nuisance is libpulse
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974[12:30:47] <exifbono> Hello everyone. After a power failure on a server (debian 9) the hard disk mounted on /var had writing permission problem (it went read only). I did a fsck, it went kind of smooth, but after a couple of days it came back again. I did the fsck again, it worked again, but it keeps going on read-only by itself every day or so. Any idea on how to fix it?
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987[12:43:24] <blackflow> exifbono: do you have errors=remount-ro option for the mountpoint?
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990[12:44:32] <exifbono> blackflow, no I don't. This is my whole line of /etc/fstab:
991[12:44:33] <exifbono> UUID=16bf2859-4b41-4090-b37f-cc80a176b923 /var ext4 defaults 0 2
992[12:44:45] <rant> heh
993[12:45:31] <rant> check /etc/mtab or simply the "mount" command with no arguments
994[12:46:14] <rant> the fact that you'd say that suggests to me you do not realize that line in fstab is interpreted
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997[12:47:05] <rant> also the 2 at the end means that the fs will be checked
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1000[12:48:16] <rant> fstab is just what you are telling mount, to tell the kernel.. /etc/mtab or the output of mount without arguments is what the kernel is actually doing
1001[12:48:25] <exifbono> rant, this is my /etc/mtab: replaced-url
1002[12:48:38] <blackflow> exifbono: well, filesystems goin ro like that don't go silently. anything in the journal about it going ro? or dmesg?
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1004[12:49:52] <rant> idk what to make of these two lines 29,30 /dev/sda1 /var ext4 ro,relatime,data=ordered 0 0 and /dev/sda1 /var/log.hdd ext4 ro,relatime,data=ordered 0 0
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1008[12:50:50] <rant> however it is showing that it is currently mounted read-only
1009[12:51:12] <exifbono> blackflow, journalctl begins today, what output can I give to help solve my mystery?
1010[12:51:40] <blackflow> exifbono: zgrep -i "read" /var/log/syslog*
1011[12:51:45] <rant> well for starters if your journal is only for today, you may not have persistent journaling which since you are having issues, you may want to enable
1012[12:51:57] <rant> I dont recall offhand how to do that
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1014[12:52:09] <blackflow> Storage=persistent in /etc/systemd/journald.conf
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1016[12:53:43] <blackflow> and uhm..... yess.... /var is going ro.... I doubt anything would be logged about it :)
1017[12:53:57] <exifbono> blackflow, the zgrep doesn't give me any result
1018[12:54:01] <blackflow> dmesg might have a clue unless it cycled around
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1020[12:54:36] <rant> I'd manually fsck and pay close attention to the output.. chances are you got fs troubles
1021[12:55:03] <exifbono> edited my journald to have persistent journal. I'll run another fsck and see what errors do I encounter
1022[12:55:09] <blackflow> exifbono: try dmesg | grep "read" or "read only" (I don't know if it's readonly, ready-only, or read only) or "sda1" or some variations of that
1023[12:55:43] <blackflow> exifbono: but if /var is going ro, nothing will be logged, and the system will in fact probably hang due to journald pissing itself being unable to write.
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1025[12:56:39] <blackflow> exifbono: try also grep -i "remount"
1026[12:57:14] <exifbono> my dmesh /grep "read": replaced-url
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1029[12:57:55] <blackflow> exifbono: grep -B 10 -A 10 "74356.437720"
1030[12:58:27] <blackflow> but look at those inode errors. looks like hdd failing
1031[12:59:07] <exifbono> both grps: replaced-url
1032[12:59:13] <exifbono> I'm giving it a read right now
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1038[13:03:16] <blackflow> exifbono: yup look like hardware issues. would need more of dmesg to see exactly why, maybe grep -P "^\[74356"
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1040[13:04:16] <blackflow> oops sorry, 7435 not 74356 . No guarantee it's all logged in the same second
1041[13:04:58] <exifbono> here it is; I had the same output both times: replaced-url
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1043[13:05:12] <exifbono> I'm going to try a fsck now and log the rrors
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1045[13:05:40] <exifbono> but if it's a hardware failure I'm really out of my depths =D
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1048[13:06:15] <blackflow> exifbono: definitely hardware issues. you could install smartmontool (with --no-install-recommends or else it'll pull in the entire MTA) and run smartctl -a /dev/sda . That _might_ show problems.
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1061[13:12:09] <robertauke> Hello
1062[13:12:23] <robertauke> Happy new year :)
1063[13:13:05] <exifbono> blackflow, doing a fsck -yv otherwise /var/lib/dpkg/lock can't be opened...
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1066[13:15:21] <blackflow> exifbono: yeah, well, the disk is obviously busted and /var is pretty critical for the OS operation. try remounting it rw, and hope it won't glitch until you've backed it up (for later reference about installed packages), and see if you can squeeze in that smartmontools package.
1067[13:16:31] <exifbono> yeah I'm sure I can have my /var back with a fsck, I've done it before a few times
1068[13:16:52] <blackflow> that's just applying band-ait to a gaping wound
1069[13:16:57] <blackflow> *band-aid
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1075[13:18:18] <exifbono> sure, just to give me the chance of installing smartmontools
1076[13:18:38] <blackflow> exifbono: as soon as possible, copy sowmehre, in a backup file, the output of dpkg --get-selections for reference of packages you had installed, should you ever need to rebuild that system.
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1082[13:24:56] <exifbono> blackflow, did it! replaced-url
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1093[13:30:31] <blackflow> exifbono: 109 bad (reallocated) sectors, 18 pending to be reallocated and non-zero UDMA_CRC_Error_count. I'd replace that disk ASAP.
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1097[13:31:39] <blackflow> Less than a year old Toshiba disk. Huh.
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1100[13:32:38] <exifbono> Ok, I feared that was the problem... too bad, it was a decent hard disk. It wasn't an year old though, I don't know why it's saying that, it must be at least a 8 years old one =D
1101[13:33:32] <blackflow> exifbono: refurbished?
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1104[13:35:06] <exifbono> bought new around 8 years ago
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1106[13:37:13] <exifbono> well, that's all I guess... I thanks you much for your help blackflow and rant
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1108[13:37:28] <exifbono> I have everything backed up so no big deal, beside having to buy a new hdd =D
1109[13:37:37] <blackflow> huh. well, SMART data is pretty much just for indicative purposes. No idea why this would show only 6600 power on hours. could be corrupted value or, lol, internal implementation that rolled over assigned number of bits. Toshiba gives 1-3 yr warranty on these things, google says, so I suppose they only put a limited number of bits to track power on hours :)))
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1117[13:42:12] <blackflow> exifbono: ah yes, line 96 of your smart output.... "It wraps after 49.710 days"
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1119[13:42:36] <blackflow> (so I was joking about bits, but it seems legit :) )
1120[13:43:25] <exifbono> could have been =D
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1133[13:49:59] <rootkea> Hello! I can't seem to access Debian Security Bug Tracker (replaced-url
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1139[13:52:20] <booyah> in thunderbird, how to turn off the retarded HTML email when writting email? How to disable text formatting?
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1145[13:54:21] <exifbono> booyah, go into that account settings > Composition & Addressing > untick Compose messages in HTML format
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1149[13:54:43] <booyah> exifbono: thanks, and how to make that setting the default? or best, an unchangable (by mistake) default
1150[13:54:55] <booyah> oh wait... right
1151[13:55:26] <exifbono> to only see emails in plain text go to View -> Message Body As -> Plain text
1152[13:56:41] <exifbono> If you install torbirdy, that proxies the emails through Tor, it will also tweak the settings to get rid of all HTML everywhere
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1192[14:19:10] <Old_Dog> and contrary to popular myth, that's possible.
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1195[14:20:06] <Old_Dog> now, whether Old_Dog will remember them or not is another issue.
1196[14:20:13] <blackflow> yup :)
1197[14:20:35] <Old_Dog> Happy New Year
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1199[14:21:22] <diogenes_> Happy New Year
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1203[14:22:41] <blackflow> we'll see about that :) last year pretty much started "nicely" with Meltre becoming a thing.
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1206[14:23:51] <rootkea> I am happy to report that now, I can successfully access the Debian Security Bug Tracker. :) Not sure what the issue was...
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1277[15:02:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> sublime > Atom ?
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1281[15:06:51] <JyZyXEL> the year of Debian Buster
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1369[15:57:09] <toosar> Hi everybody, I'm facing some problem related to live system creation. Is it the right channel to seek help?
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1372[15:58:11] <nkuttler> !debian-live
1373[15:58:11] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
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1473[16:49:41] <nidhoegger> Hi, is there a way to get newer php versions on stretch as 7.0 went out of support
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1476[16:50:30] <Mathisen> nidhoegger, not without using a 3.rd party repo, i had same issue.
1477[16:50:37] <nidhoegger> damn :/
1478[16:50:46] <Mathisen> i ended upp with using replaced-url
1479[16:50:53] <nidhoegger> i honestly dont want to rely on 3rd party repos on my production servers
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1482[16:51:08] <Mathisen> yeah i know what you mean
1483[16:51:24] <Mathisen> just wait until next relase then. :(
1484[16:51:30] <nidhoegger> seems like it
1485[16:51:49] <nidhoegger> i would be happy having 7.1, dont need the newest one, just want one that receives security fixes
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1488[16:54:01] <joepublic> ,v php7.1
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1490[16:54:02] <judd> No package named 'php7.1' was found in amd64.
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1495[16:56:33] <nidhoegger> joepublic, 7.1 is not in the repos, at least for stable
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1499[16:57:31] <joepublic> ,v php7.3
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1501[16:57:32] <judd> Package: php7.3 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.0-2; sid: 7.3.0-2
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1503[16:59:17] <Mathisen> i did also try to be brave and tried out buster on a local machine for some testing. and atleast for me buster is busted. had way more issues then i wanted so i also is just waiting for the finished release of buster
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1505[16:59:39] <nidhoegger> i used buster on a testing machine and it worked quite well for me
1506[16:59:55] <nidhoegger> the only thing that bothers me is the "su" thing that it wont set the PATH
1507[17:00:04] <nidhoegger> but that is changeable behaviour with the config files
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1555[17:32:40] <Hund> Where is Dunstify in Debian?
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1558[17:35:46] <LtL> nidhoegger: use 'su -'
1559[17:36:45] <nidhoegger> LtL, i know, but it changes my current dir
1560[17:36:49] <nidhoegger> that sucks if you want to "make install"
1561[17:36:57] <joepublic> how about sudo bash?
1562[17:37:05] <LtL> nidhoegger: yes it does
1563[17:37:15] <nidhoegger> LtL, yes, but I dont want it to!
1564[17:37:27] <nidhoegger> and like i said, thats configurable, I dont have an issue with it
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1566[17:37:54] <nidhoegger> joepublic, I really hate using sudo :P
1567[17:38:11] <joepublic> oh. not a great solution then. :)
1568[17:38:19] <LtL> nidhoegger: 'cd -' might work then
1569[17:38:34] <nidhoegger> like i said, i am happy with it, its one line in a config file to make the new su behave like the old su (in most cases)
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1774[19:54:01] <noln> violentE, the --key-file is the passphrase (what the user would input) so that command isn't expected to request for user input
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1776[19:54:07] <blackflow> violentE: how was it set up? --key-file param to cryptsetup is just a file containing the bits for the key. those bits are the same whether you type in a passphrase, echo to cryptsetup's stdin, or use it from a file.
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1781[19:58:16] <d9a> Does the Firefox package in Debian's repo have the same potential for the different ad stuff Mozilla has been doing on their normal releases or is it taken out? There was a new controversy recently about a booking website being suggested.
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1783[19:59:29] <violentE> noln: oh so if I enter --key-file [passphrase that I set whilst setting up the keyfile] that should work
1784[20:00:03] <annadane> d9a, i don't know about firefox ESR - which debian has - but you have to think it's only mainline firefox?
1785[20:00:05] <noln> no, see blackflow's explanation, it's the file containing the passphrase
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1787[20:00:26] <annadane> and at that, even if it were ESR, debian would strip it out... but i'm not sure
1788[20:00:32] <whislock> d9a: You can easily disable that. It's a checkbox.
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1791[20:00:56] <annadane> yeah also that
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1794[20:01:38] <d9a> Thank you
1795[20:01:57] <d9a> Just curious because I don't want my browser doing that. haha
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1867[20:42:49] <baconicsynergy> is there a friendly irc channel to ask noob networking questions? I have a simple stateful firewall setup with iptables and I'm having a hard time understanding a few things
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1873[20:45:10] <Old_Dog> baconicsynergy: have you tried ##networking?
1874[20:45:44] <baconicsynergy> Old_Dog, I'll give that a shot! tyvm
1875[20:46:23] <rudi_s> baconicsynergy: Or #netfilter for iptables related questions.
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1878[20:46:44] <baconicsynergy> rudi_s, thanks!
1879[20:46:52] <rudi_s> np
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1885[20:51:09] <blackflow> violentE: sorry, I don't do PM support. But from what you've told me, it looks like you've set up the gpg file to be used with docrypt_gnupg keyscript. you can use that keyscript directly on teh command line to unlock your gpg file first, which in turn provides teh bits for cryptsetup.
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1890[20:54:06] <blackflow> violentE: the initramfs keyscript script takes one argument, the keyfile (in this case I'm assuming your gpg file) and outputs on stdout the bits you can pipe straight into cryptsetup
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1900[21:02:35] <violentE> ok let me try that
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1903[21:04:42] <torbo> Starting the Tor browser on a fresh Debian 9.6 install renders my desktop unresponsive for 1 minute. The browser loads instantly on an older laptop with the same version of Debian. Not sure how to debug this issue as there is nothing in the system logs or the browser log. Has anyone run into this issue before?
1904[21:05:24] <d9a> torbo: Is it just using a lot of CPU or RAM? Have a system monitor running when you do it to watch it (if it works while being unresponsive)
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1906[21:07:57] <torbo> d9a: CPU stays at 0%, and RAM does not go any higher than required by the browser in the responsive state.
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1908[21:08:57] <d9a> torbo: I don't know then. I'm sorry.
1909[21:09:12] <torbo> d9a: No problem, thanks anyway.
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1913[21:17:18] <violentE> \o/ thanks blackflow it worked
1914[21:17:46] <at0m> torbo: on first start of tor, lots of circuits(?) need to be loaded, that can take some extra time. maybe that?
1915[21:18:17] <at0m> torbo: try a 2nd run, should be faster
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1917[21:18:56] <blackflow> violentE: you're welcome.
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1921[21:21:32] <torbo> at0m: Second run still takes a minute. It does appear to start instantly after the 4th or 5th time.
1922[21:21:58] <at0m> :?
1923[21:22:39] <at0m> not sure how it does that. but i know first time circuits are established takes longer
1924[21:23:13] <at0m> still shouldn't render your desktop unresponsive tho
1925[21:23:21] <blackflow> torbo: renders your _desktop_ unresponsive, or the tor _browser_ itself only?
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1927[21:23:29] <torbo> at0m: Yeah, that would make sense. However, on an old laptop with Debian 9.6 it starts almost instantly from the first try.
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1929[21:23:51] <torbo> at0m: My entire desktop becomes unresponsive. I can move the mouse, but am not able to use any applications.
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1933[21:25:40] <d9a> torbo: Are you using a different desktop environment than your laptop?
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1935[21:26:03] <torbo> d9a: Same desktop environment on both: stumpwm on xorg.
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1939[21:27:43] <n_1-c_k> torbo: lots of disk usage perhaps?
1940[21:27:49] <blackflow> torbo: how are you measuring cpu and RAM, during the period the desktop is unresponsive
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1943[21:28:01] <at0m> gfx accel should be out of the picture, since afaik that's disabled on torbrowser. laptop isn't SSD is it?
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1946[21:30:40] <torbo> No disk usage. Both laptop and desktop are SSD. Measuring CPU and RAM using built-in modeline modules.
1947[21:30:49] <torbo> (for stumpwm)
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1950[21:33:51] <torbo> Firefox (firefox-esr) was the first browser I installed and it had the same problem at first, but it eventually went away. Chrome and Opera both start instantly.
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1955[21:38:02] <blackflow> torbo: no idea what "built-in modeline modules" do, but perhaps you could check with top or ps, what's happening. if tehre's no cpu or disk contention then I'd guess gpu is somehow being used/blocked. or to be sure, you could strace thebrowser and see exactly what's it doing at that time
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1964[21:45:03] <torbo> blackflow: Thanks! I'll do that. The "modeline" (modelled after emacs) in stumpwm is a line of text that can be displayed at the bottom/top of the desktop that can contain various indicators (such as the window list, CPU indicator, Memory indicator, etc.) The various indicators are defined as separate modules. Here's an example of the CPU module: replaced-url
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1981[21:51:20] <Barabacha> how can I tell debian to use a different graphics driver?
1982[21:51:44] <annadane> update-alternatives --config glx
1983[21:52:29] <annadane> and then reboot
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1987[21:53:08] <altker128> karlpinc: Ping
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1990[21:53:54] <Barabacha> annadane: error: no alternatives for glx
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1993[21:55:48] <towo`> Barabacha, then you maybe should give relevant infos
1994[21:56:06] <nidhoegger> Barabacha, do you want to switch from free drivers to proprietary or what? which graphics card?
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1996[21:56:49] <nidhoegger> if so, you find all neccessary infos here: replaced-url
1997[21:58:36] <Barabacha> nidhoegger: I don't know what drivers do I have now, all I know is that the *radeon* package supports my graphics card, also the graphics performance is poor
1998[21:58:53] <nidhoegger> then give infos. which graphics card?
1999[21:59:02] <nidhoegger> and you can list loaded drivers with "lsmod"
2000[21:59:02] <Barabacha> the graphics card is Mobility Radeon 9600
2001[21:59:20] <nidhoegger> radeon is the free driver, amdgpu is the proprietary one
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2003[21:59:49] <nidhoegger> although I do not know if amdgpu supports this card or if you are stuck using fglrx
2004[21:59:49] <towo`> nidhoegger, no!
2005[22:00:07] <towo`> radeon and amdgpu are free drivers
2006[22:00:14] <towo`> fglrx is dead
2007[22:00:28] <cryptodan_mobile> Barabacha: that card is legacy likely limited to no support in newer drivers for it
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2009[22:00:45] <towo`> and there is amdgpu-pro, which is official only supported in ubuntu
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2014[22:01:52] <Barabacha> supposedly you can run Quake 3 on this card while I'm getting 5 fps in glxgears
2015[22:02:12] <altker128> (Sounds like it's using software rendering rather than HW)
2016[22:02:25] <cryptodan_mobile> Barabacha: maybe a couple years ago but not now its legacy
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2018[22:02:48] <Barabacha> also getting screen tearing when scrolling down in a browser
2019[22:03:03] <towo`> Barabacha, install the non-free firmware
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2021[22:03:16] <towo`> it's needed by radeon for working propper
2022[22:03:17] <Barabacha> cryptodan_mobile: should I install the legacy drivers then?
2023[22:03:34] <cryptodan_mobile> Barabacha: what kernel you running
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2026[22:04:01] <towo`> Barabacha, again, install the firmware
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2028[22:04:30] <altker128> glxinfo should tell you what driver is being used IIRC
2029[22:05:17] <Barabacha> cryptodan_mobile: 3.16.0-4-586
2030[22:05:40] <towo`> you haven't foud an older one?
2031[22:05:47] <cryptodan_mobile> Barabacha: you might get by with fglrx
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2034[22:06:27] <towo`> there is no need for fglrx
2035[22:06:43] <towo`> recent kernel and mesa and all is good
2036[22:06:57] <Barabacha> towo`: but it's an old hardware
2037[22:07:01] <towo`> and?
2038[22:07:20] <towo`> install a recent system
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2040[22:07:52] <Barabacha> glxinfo says client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
2041[22:08:19] <Barabacha> I get delays even when scrolling the terminal
2042[22:10:10] <towo`> again, install a recent system
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2045[22:11:46] <Barabacha> towo`: I installed Ubuntu on my other PC that has Radeon HD 4850 and it turned out Ubuntu doesn't support it anymore at all
2046[22:12:10] <towo`> the free driver is supporting that
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2048[22:12:20] <towo`> again, fglrx is dead
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2052[22:14:07] <towo`> but since I seem to be talking against the wind here, I can also stop saying anything
2053[22:14:57] <Barabacha> I'm not after fglrx
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2056[22:15:09] <joepublic> radeon/amdgpu=good fglrx=bad
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2064[22:19:50] <Barabacha> on the wiki it says to install firmware-linux-nonfree but all I can find is firmware-linux-*free*, I did update my sources.list
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2067[22:20:43] <annadane> post your sources list to paste.debian.net
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2071[22:23:03] <Barabacha> annadane: replaced-url
2072[22:23:10] <cryptodan_mobile> joepublic: on my HD 4650 mobility I found radeon to be worse then fglrx
2073[22:23:32] <annadane> ...yikes
2074[22:23:33] <towo`> Barabacha, you would not have much fun with a system which is using kernel 3.16
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2076[22:24:26] <joepublic> i have an old radeon mobility, forget the chipset, that worked great with it even multi-monitor, which matters little since you have the exact chipset
2077[22:24:30] <SerajewelKS> Barabacha: upgrade to stretch?
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2079[22:25:43] <Barabacha> SerajewelKS: will that fix my graphics card issue?
2080[22:25:53] <SerajewelKS> possibly
2081[22:25:58] <SerajewelKS> running an older kernel isn't going to do you many favors
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2084[22:26:59] <cryptodan_mobile> joepublic: radeon driver caused overheats fglrx didnt
2085[22:27:28] <towo`> what nonsense
2086[22:27:51] <joepublic> odd, but not out of the realm of possibility
2087[22:27:58] <towo`> recent radeon driver is better than fglrx wver was
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2091[22:28:59] <buu_> ok
2092[22:29:08] <cryptodan_mobile> But that machine jas been since retired and parted out.
2093[22:29:17] <buu_> I have a debian box with a monitor plugged in but no signal and X definitely isn't running
2094[22:29:25] <buu_> how do I force it to show me a console?
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2096[22:33:04] <buu_> replaced-url
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2100[22:34:04] <Trollstoi> buu_: can try ctrl+alt+F3 ; or boot into recovery/single user mode, and/or check your bios' settings for ext. monitor
2101[22:34:18] <buu_> The whole idea here is to not reboot
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2103[22:34:42] <buu_> The thing is running but not responding to ping
2104[22:35:38] <buu_> oh wtf
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2111[22:37:33] <buu> Now it responds to ping
2112[22:37:35] <buu> Sigh
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2135[22:57:57] <buu> augh
2136[22:57:58] <buu> E: Package 'linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64' has no installation candidate
2137[22:57:59] <buu> Where did it go
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2141[22:59:08] <Trollstoi> buu could mean: no candidate compatible with your system
2142[23:00:11] <RustyShackleford> should I install nagios via apt?
2143[23:00:18] <RustyShackleford> or should I run a docker image instead?
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2145[23:01:18] <whislock> buu: That version isn't available from any Debian repository.
2146[23:01:39] <Trollstoi> buu for instance, packages that would need to get upgraded together with that kernel, are held, one of many possible reasons
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2149[23:02:23] <joepublic> you can apt search linux-image
2150[23:02:27] <joepublic> for some choices
2151[23:02:28] <whislock> ,kernel
2152[23:02:29] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.13-1); buster: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.18.20-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
2153[23:02:30] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2156[23:04:25] <joepublic> wonder why 4.20 is in experimental. I mean if it's anywhere, that's the place for it, but I wouldn't think anyone would be planning for it to make it into a release
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2160[23:05:41] <whislock> buu: So, why are you trying to install that particular kernel version?
2161[23:06:18] <annadane> i mean, has the next LTS after 4.19 even been announced? sid users can still get 4.20 so i assume that's why it's there
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2164[23:09:39] <at0m> annadane: any LTS kernel has odd version number. so 4.20 isn't going to be it.
2165[23:10:09] <whislock> 4.14 is an LTS kernel. As was 4.4. And 3.18. And 3.16.
2166[23:10:14] <at0m> hmm
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2171[23:13:13] <at0m> ok i'm getting old. seems until 2003, add were unstable, even stable
2172[23:13:19] <at0m> s/add/odd
2173[23:13:57] <at0m> last kernel that followed that was 2.6
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2180[23:19:03] <buu> whislock: I'm trying to downgrade to a kernel that doesn't break my box and this one is listed as slightly stable on kernel.org
2181[23:19:43] <jhutchins> !snapshot
2182[23:19:43] <dpkg> replaced-url
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2192[23:27:48] <whislock> buu: You should be looking at packages available in the Debian repos, not on kernel.org.
2193[23:27:55] <whislock> buu: Which kernel are you on currently?
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2197[23:31:11] <uio> Hello. I can't get bluetooth to work. rfkill list shows : 1: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth
2198[23:31:11] <uio> Soft blocked: yes
2199[23:31:11] <uio> Hard blocked: no*
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2201[23:31:59] <uio> What can I do to make it work? I followed these instructions, but it didn't work: replaced-url
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2203[23:32:42] <uio> That is, I tried the SysV-style init scripts and the systemd command to no avail.
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