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• 2[00:00:52] <psychoticwarrior> hey
• 3[00:01:57] <dshq> I'm looking to install steamcmd on my jessie server and the docs recommend using the package that is on strech and sid repos, how would I go about safely installing only that one sid package on my jessie install?
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• 13[00:08:40] <rjsalts> dshq: add deb-src replaced-url
• 14[00:08:55] <missmbob> dshq: replaced-url
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• 16[00:09:12] <awal1> dpkg: frankendebian
• 17[00:09:13] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 18[00:10:05] <dshq> missmbob: replaced-url
• 19[00:10:30] <dshq> rjsalts: I was looking at this page, would this work also? replaced-url
• 20[00:10:34] <missmbob> dshq: i dont care. if you want to follow their docs your install will not be supported here. follow what debian says
• 21[00:11:01] <missmbob> dshq: that's a really stupid thing to do
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• 24[00:11:42] <rjsalts> dshq: it might work, it might mess your system up completely, it depends on the package and what depends on it, and whether the new version is backwards compatible
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• 26[00:12:32] <rjsalts> dshq: and what it depends on too, you might drag in 10000 packages from testing that it depends on
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• 28[00:12:51] <stoned> does anyone here use zfs on jessie from backports? are you able to export and import? also, does it create a linux_raid_member or zfs_member ?
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• 30[00:13:26] <rjsalts> dshq: safer to try backports, and if it's not there then backport yourself. even then you can drag in a bunch of dependencies
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• 32[00:13:34] <dshq> Steamcmd works fine on jessie if you manually download it and unpack it, just looking to keep it up to date with the sid repo. Steamcmd wasn't around at the time jessie was released so it never got added.
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• 41[00:15:21] <dshq> I'll try it in a vm first then, but that pin method should work for only pulling one package from sid right?
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• 43[00:16:02] <rjsalts> dshq: you could also run it from within chroot or container, unless you need a newer kernel
• 44[00:16:46] <dshq> rjsalts: I've never done those before, would it be easier then just installing a vm?
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• 52[00:20:40] <nickelad> Guys SteamCMD ??
• 53[00:20:47] <nickelad> isnt that deprecated
• 54[00:20:56] <nickelad> like they have a new thing
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• 56[00:21:10] <nickelad> I tried SteamCmd to no avail on Freebsd
• 57[00:21:28] <nickelad> only to find out it was replaced by idk what its called now
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• 60[00:22:45] <nickelad> Use SteamPipe because SteamCmd is dead.
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• 70[00:27:08] <dshq> Steamcmd replaced HLDSUpdateTool which in no longer supported and works with games that use Steampipe content,
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• 72[00:27:21] <dshq> Doesn't say anything about steamcmd being replaced tho
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• 75[00:28:33] <nickelad> umm still use steampipe
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• 77[00:29:16] <bit1> Hello. Any bug track system, very very simple?, thanks in advance.
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• 79[00:29:44] <missmbob> bit1: replaced-url
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• 81[00:30:05] <nickelad> i had so many problems with steamcmd and i think its not supported and the downloads dont work anymore
• 82[00:30:16] <bit1> missmbob, too sophisticated
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• 84[00:30:48] <missmbob> bit1: that's all there is
• 85[00:31:26] <bit1> I only need open, close "issues", and some priority issues
• 86[00:31:27] <jelly> missmbob, they seem to be asking about a bug tracking system for their own use
• 87[00:31:33] <machinehum> I downloaded the arm-gcc toolchain and it came in a folder structure -> bin & lib & share. Then another folder called arm-none-eabi, inside that folder there is another bin, lin, include and share
• 88[00:31:38] <machinehum> Where do I put these
• 89[00:31:44] <missmbob> jelly: oh
• 90[00:31:49] <machinehum> /usr/local?
• 91[00:32:01] <machinehum> and the upper dir ones in /usr
• 92[00:32:15] <machinehum> (In their respective folders of course)
• 93[00:33:22] <dshq> nickelad: From what I'm reading here replaced-url
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• 98[00:35:42] <nickelad> Im not sure then. Maybe its just steamcmd on freebsd which had problems ^^
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• 100[00:36:02] <nickelad> or my incompetence rather
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• 102[00:36:53] <tw> Is there a tiling/hybrid window manager that supports floats-as-workspaces? That is to say, floating, resizable containers that are internally tiled. I want this because my terminal is currently 157x95 characters and I have to subdivide it a lot to prevent it from being overwhelming amounts of information.
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• 113[00:41:23] <stoned> is there anyway to watch dd output?
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• 115[00:41:26] <stoned> or progress
• 116[00:41:59] <tw> stoned: send it SIGUSR1, it will print the progress.
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• 128[00:46:59] <stoned> ah, 8.24+ has status=progress flag
• 129[00:47:09] <stoned> stable has 8.23
• 130[00:47:14] <stoned> darn.
• 131[00:47:32] <stoned> it does not seem to pipe through pipe viwer (pv)
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• 139[00:51:01] <tw> stoned: it does. replaced-url
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• 141[00:52:06] <stoned> Ah my syntax was goofy
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• 200[01:30:49] <Stevie-O> gah
• 201[01:31:04] <Stevie-O> does anybody here have any experience maintaining packages
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• 250[02:02:00] <Shadow_7> n-iCe: install autofs stuffs? apt-get install autofs
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• 252[02:02:54] <Shadow_7> or have entry(s) in /etc/fstab
• 253[02:02:58] <n-iCe> Shadow_7: done
• 254[02:03:02] <n-iCe> installed
• 255[02:03:17] <n-iCe> plugged the usb back in, nothing appears
• 256[02:03:28] <Shadow_7> although /etc/fstab is more for auto at boot
• 257[02:03:33] <n-iCe> dmesg detects it as [ 318.044541] sdc: sdc1
• 258[02:03:45] <Shadow_7> probably need to reboot
• 259[02:03:58] <Shadow_7> systemd + dbus need to get the claws in on the thing
• 260[02:04:00] <n-iCe> tried this mount sdc1 /mnt/nice
• 261[02:04:10] <n-iCe> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1
• 262[02:04:21] <missmbob> you need to look at your de settings. in xfce it's menu->settings->removable drives and media->check mount on hotplug
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• 264[02:04:55] <n-iCe> what's that error
• 265[02:05:30] <Shadow_7> n-iCe: blkid ... and /dev/sdc1 ... and -t auto ... would help, plus root perms
• 266[02:06:05] <Shadow_7> manually without autofs anyway
• 267[02:06:50] <n-iCe> hehe
• 268[02:07:25] <n-iCe> /dev/sdc1: PARTUUID="c3072e18-01"
• 269[02:07:33] <n-iCe> that's the blkid output
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• 277[02:10:16] <popsch> configure fails on a package, because of this error: checking minix/config.h usability
• 278[02:10:29] <popsch> conftest.c:60:26: fatal error: minix/config.h: No such file or directory
• 279[02:10:41] <popsch> that is strange that configure would require that
• 280[02:10:55] <popsch> am I am missing a package so I can compile code?
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• 283[02:12:24] <Shadow_7> n-iCe: then it's unformatted. Should have UUID or fs type if it had data
• 284[02:13:03] <Shadow_7> n-iCe: baring something exotic anyway. encrypted or otherwise
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• 288[02:14:39] <Guest19747> Hi, most software nowadays comes in ubuntu .debs, and AFAIK they're not binary compatible with vanilla debian. Is there some sort of shim, like a WINE for ubuntu, to get those .debs to work in debian?
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• 292[02:15:39] <Shadow_7> Guest19747: as long as the deps are met they might work. Although probably only on sid plus a bit of roulette.
• 293[02:15:41] <n-iCe> replaced-url
• 294[02:16:04] <missmbob> !tell Guest19747 about frankendebian
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• 296[02:18:52] <Guest19747> OK, so for using debian on the desktop, and receiving reasonable support, what is my best bet? Should I use a derivative?
• 297[02:19:07] <missmbob> Guest19747: if you want to be using ubuntu debs use ubuntu
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• 301[02:21:31] <Guest19747> missmbob, it's not that I have a burning desire to use ubuntu debs, or ubuntu itself, it's just that if a 3rd party software has a linux version at all, 90% of the time it's an ubuntu deb
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• 304[02:22:17] <missmbob> Guest19747: that's mostly true
• 305[02:22:33] <Guest19747> Guess it'll be less work to use vmware all told
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• 308[02:22:50] <trumpy_> why ubuntu deb? thought it was just a deb
• 309[02:22:58] <Shadow_7> or chroot
• 310[02:23:02] <missmbob> no. it comes with built in deps
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• 312[02:24:14] <popsch> any idea why my cpp fails the conformance test? replaced-url
• 313[02:24:58] <tw> popsch: maybe install build-essential?
• 314[02:25:13] <dTal> Guest19747: +1 to chroot
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• 316[02:25:38] <popsch> tw, thanks a lot!
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• 318[02:26:02] <Guest19747> OK, I'll check out chroot, ty guys
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• 323[02:29:38] <popsch> what's the difference between libpng12 and libpng3 ?
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• 327[02:29:49] <popsch> which one should I use when I compile a program?
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• 329[02:29:52] <n-iCe> Shadow_7: I solved it
• 330[02:29:56] <n-iCe> was encrypted by bitlocker
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• 332[02:30:10] <n-iCe> a software called dislocker solved it
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• 335[02:31:08] <Shadow_7> and contained only one file? named ...important.txt... with contents ...Hi Mom!...
• 336[02:32:17] <n-iCe> Shadow_7: no, my work files, encrypted automatically by stupid windows by bitlocker
• 337[02:32:20] <n-iCe> somehow
• 338[02:32:41] <Shadow_7> because SSDs are insecure by design
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• 340[02:33:54] <Shadow_7> I should probably learn encryption someday. But in these parts no one has ever heard of computers.
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• 342[02:34:45] <userro> what parts?
• 343[02:35:22] <Shadow_7> the sticks between austin and waco
• 344[02:35:28] <somiaj> Do you care if someone steals/gets a hold of your machine if they can read your data? Encyrption is a layer to try to prevent this.
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• 346[02:35:36] <Shadow_7> but not close enough to either to make driving 100 miles a day worth it
• 347[02:36:17] <userro> k
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• 349[02:36:45] <Shadow_7> if someone steals / gets a hold of means that I have larger problems than my data
• 350[02:37:36] <userro> I care more about my data than the device itself though. :D
• 351[02:38:12] <Shadow_7> most of the data that I care about sits on disconnected drives
• 352[02:38:13] <somiaj> I probably would be very annoyed if I lost my data, only slightly annoyed if someone looked through it.
• 353[02:38:20] <somiaj> but I have backups for the first.
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• 355[02:38:58] <OnkelTem> Hi all
• 356[02:39:06] <OnkelTem> Where is syslog on Debian jessy?
• 357[02:39:12] <userro> I keep backups as well
• 358[02:39:15] <OnkelTem> I don't see /var/log/messages
• 359[02:39:32] <Shadow_7> OnkelTem: /var/log/syslog ... or viewable with journalctl -a
• 360[02:39:54] <OnkelTem> Shadow_7: not such a file... Using this docker image: replaced-url
• 361[02:40:04] <somiaj> OnkelTem: that is strange, I see /var/log/messages
• 362[02:40:18] <somiaj> oh docker doens't have a kernel directly, the logs will be on the host
• 363[02:40:32] <OnkelTem> Ah.... lol
• 364[02:40:37] <OnkelTem> somiaj: forgot about that
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• 367[02:41:36] <OnkelTem> too late. Need to get some [s]rest[/s] series
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• 372[02:46:16] <tw> syslog doesn't go through the kernel per se.
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• 378[02:48:52] <somiaj> no but /var/log/messages I thought was from the kernel
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• 386[02:51:37] <tw> It's whatever (r)syslogd wants it to be. Whatever goes to the syslog socket gets dispatched according to the conf filters.
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• 407[03:00:24] <Bluez> !bob
• 408[03:00:24] <dpkg> well, bob is the almighty spleened one.
• 409[03:00:34] <Bluez> #bob
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• 415[03:02:03] <Bluez> !alice
• 416[03:02:03] <dpkg> Who the fuck is Alice?
• 417[03:02:14] <Bluez> #alice
• 418[03:02:17] <missmbob> Bluez: please stop
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• 420[03:02:58] <Bluez> oops, sorry, maybe i joined in wrong channel
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• 434[03:07:36] <mrtrump> what kernel does testing provide amd64?
• 435[03:07:43] <missmbob> ,kernels
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• 437[03:07:45] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-2)
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• 439[03:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1657
• 440[03:08:56] <jrtc27> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 441[03:08:57] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+78~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+78; sid: 4.9+79
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• 451[03:14:09] <userro> who will set dependency package versions?
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• 454[03:14:29] <userro> debian people or package owners?
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• 456[03:14:44] <missmbob> debian's package maintainers
• 457[03:15:08] <userro> ah
• 458[03:15:21] <missmbob> not like it matters. they have to obey what upstream requires. they just but it in debian/control
• 459[03:15:52] <userro> I understand thanks
• 460[03:16:01] <mrtrump> why does debian have so many versions?
• 461[03:16:07] <mrtrump> archlinux has 1
• 462[03:16:11] <mrtrump> same with freebsd
• 463[03:16:13] <mrtrump> openbsd
• 464[03:16:34] <missmbob> because it isn't a rolling distro.
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• 466[03:16:47] <mrtrump> why not
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• 468[03:16:57] <missmbob> stability and security
• 469[03:17:07] <Shadow_7> the software is vetted. The oldest version is the least buggy.
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• 471[03:17:33] <userro> most safest
• 472[03:17:47] <Shadow_7> the oldest "current" version. sid kind of is rolling, except when it's freeze.
• 473[03:17:51] <mrtrump> shouldnt more recent debugged code be more stable?
• 474[03:18:05] <awal1> branches
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• 476[03:18:20] <missmbob> no
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• 481[03:19:44] <Shadow_7> assuming the most recent is debugged is probably misguided. especially with such moving targets as dependencies.
• 482[03:20:20] <jsw_> Assuming that old = least buggy is also a dangerous assumption.
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• 484[03:21:06] <userro> then stable version is all around best?
• 485[03:21:16] <jsw_> You need to define what 'best' means to you first.
• 486[03:21:22] <Shadow_7> least bugs in terms of crashing... still horrific for security
• 487[03:21:30] <missmbob> certaily for anything important/production
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• 489[03:21:52] <userro> safe and secure out of all most probably
• 490[03:22:01] <missmbob> then yes, stable
• 491[03:22:41] <mrtrump> openbsd is better?
• 492[03:22:41] <jsw_> I'd say Stable then, thanks to Debian Security team helping to patch software if vulnerabilities are found.
• 493[03:22:52] <jsw_> DS doesn't patch Testing or Unstable.
• 494[03:22:57] <missmbob> mrtrump: openbsd is offtopic
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• 520[03:36:31] <likcoras> Hi, I'm getting lines like replaced-url
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• 523[03:37:25] <mrtrump> what is the best mogileFS ish way on linux to provide files, when the file exist on say 20 servers?
• 524[03:37:34] <mrtrump> I think the term is an object server.
• 525[03:37:45] <mrtrump> mogielFS seems older...I saw ceph?
• 526[03:37:55] <mrtrump> and I dont mean nfs
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• 528[03:38:11] <mrtrump> or openafs....I mean something that abstracts 20 servers into 1 folder
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• 530[03:38:27] <mrtrump> yes has policy to make file X exist on N servers
• 531[03:38:45] <jsw_> @likcoras, you have a cron job configured to run, presumably every hour if that's how often you see those. That's the src of those msgs
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• 533[03:39:30] <jsw_> As a solution you can change how frequently the job runs, or you can configure rsyslog (or whatever you're using) to drop those msgs
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• 536[03:39:49] <likcoras> I noticed that (it's every minute). I just have no idea how to configure it to stop logging it.
• 537[03:39:53] <nickelad> lol check ur mail
• 538[03:40:13] <nickelad> should be full of crons mails
• 539[03:40:15] <likcoras> It isn't sending mail, presumably because of the 2>/dev/null
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• 541[03:40:32] <petemc> mrtrump: ive used overlayfs
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• 547[03:42:20] <jsw_> @likcoras, you want something like this - replaced-url
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• 549[03:43:02] <likcoras> Ah, will try. Thanks
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• 557[03:46:38] <jsw_> @likcoras, alt - replaced-url
• 558[03:46:41] <likcoras> Hm, so right now I have "*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog"
• 559[03:47:11] <likcoras> i change that into the line as shown in the link you sent? cron is already commented.
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• 562[03:48:09] <jsw_> You may have just disabled all logging lol
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• 567[03:49:35] <likcoras> Ehhhhh, that was what it was already, though.
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• 569[03:50:06] <jsw_> Oh - nm. I thought you commented out "*.*" to /var/log/syslog
• 570[03:51:04] <likcoras> Hm, did not help. I'm looking at the logs with journalctl, does that change anything?
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• 574[03:51:41] <likcoras> Also I was doing it to rsyslogd.conf, since syslogd.conf was not around. It's pretty much the same, right?
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• 582[03:54:27] <likcoras> Actually, all I see in /var/log/syslog is "(root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)" and the such, none of the minutely spam.
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• 586[03:57:52] <jsw_> In that second link I sent, check out the Config Statements section, you can use that ":msg, contains..." syntax to drop specific messages.
• 587[03:58:03] <jsw_> I use that syntax to route messages to different locations
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• 601[04:03:24] <likcoras> Hm, I tried ":msg, contains, "/usr/local/rtm/bin/rtm 37" ~"
• 602[04:03:50] <likcoras> but it did not work. Now I'm wondering whether cron generates any output on stdout, does it?
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• 604[04:04:43] <jsw_> The log messages you're seeing are generated regardless of any output from the script that was executed.
• 605[04:05:18] <likcoras> I mean output from the cron process itself
• 606[04:06:00] <jsw_> I'm gunna guess no. Only the jobs would generate output. Cron only generates log messages, like you're seeing.
• 607[04:06:47] <likcoras> Not really familiar with cron, but does cron only output to syslog? Nothing on std(in|err)?
• 608[04:07:27] <jsw_> In rsyslog.conf: if $msg contains "/usr/local/rtm/bin/rtm 37" then stop
• 609[04:09:12] <likcoras> Hm, still seeing output in journalctl.
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• 617[04:15:23] <likcoras> Okay, looks like it stopped writing it to /var/log/syslog, but it still appears in the systemd journal.
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• 623[04:20:23] <georgia> hey everybloody!
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• 626[04:20:57] <georgia> who wants to help me fix my sound? SOUNDS fun, eh?
• 627[04:21:29] <georgia> But seriously I will do whatever it takes. Using xfce by the way.
• 628[04:21:46] <georgia> I'm making a pastedump now...
• 629[04:21:47] <petemc> !alsa-checklist
• 630[04:21:47] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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• 634[04:22:18] <georgia> wow, that's some nice automated answer there. I will try!
• 635[04:23:21] <GBGames> When I run configure in SDL2_image on Debian Wheezy, and I point it to my custom build libSDL2, configure fails. config.log shows that while it was able to build a conftest, it couldn't run it because the runtime linker couldn't find SDL2.
• 636[04:23:28] <georgia> Oh wait, I've already tried all that.
• 637[04:23:29] <GBGames> On Ubuntu, I don't see this issue.
• 638[04:23:48] <georgia> Literally. Root doesn't have sound.
• 639[04:23:53] <georgia> I'm making paste...
• 640[04:24:16] <GBGames> I see that config.log on Ubuntu shows that LIBS is populated with the library path, but on Debian Wheezy, config.log's LIBS is empty.
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• 642[04:25:07] <GBGames> I wonder if I am missing a package or if there was some change in versions between Wheezy and other systems. Any ideas on why I am seeing different behaviors in Wheezy?
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• 645[04:25:46] <missmbob> georgia: install/run pavucontrol
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• 647[04:27:57] <georgia> I have done that, thanks missmbob :) I mean, I have pavucontrol. It says my channel is unplugged... wait for pastebin!
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• 657[04:37:01] <echosystm> hi guys
• 658[04:37:09] <echosystm> i get disconnected from ssh whenever i turn my VPN on
• 659[04:37:19] <echosystm> any ideas why that might be happening and how i can stop it?
• 660[04:37:28] <echosystm> i'm using "openconnect" to connect to some cisco thing
• 661[04:37:42] <echosystm> there doesn't seem to be any option to not push routes
• 662[04:37:51] <echosystm> i assume the routing table is getting messed up or something
• 663[04:39:15] <userro> I think vpn will route all traffic through it so it has to disconnect and reconnect using new route
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• 670[04:43:05] <petemc> echosystm: that is expected behaviour. some shells like mosh are more tolerant
• 671[04:43:33] <userro> what I said is correct?
• 672[04:43:39] <petemc> yes
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• 679[04:49:03] <echosystm> petemc: i can't reconnect to my server though
• 680[04:49:23] <echosystm> i dont understand why openconnect disconnects me. openvpn doesn't do that.
• 681[04:49:40] <echosystm> once the VPN is started, the onyl way i can get back into the server is to reboot it
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• 684[04:51:23] <petemc> echosystm: probably restarting it is sufficient
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• 686[04:51:31] <georgia> alrighty then. here's my sound replaced-url
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• 688[04:52:39] <echosystm> i dont want to restart the server...
• 689[04:52:49] <echosystm> i need to do things while the vpn is up
• 690[04:52:51] <georgia> heh I screwed up the pretty syntax highlighting
• 691[04:52:58] <echosystm> i can't do those things if i don't have ssh access
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• 695[04:54:41] <georgia> replaced-url
• 696[04:54:46] <georgia> Alright fixed version!
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• 698[04:55:06] <petemc> echosystm: restarting ssh i mean
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• 700[04:55:39] <petemc> bringing up a von that changes your routing will drop existing connections
• 701[04:55:45] <petemc> no way around that
• 702[04:55:53] <echosystm> ok
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• 704[04:56:48] <georgia> I have playback set to analog-output because the HDA HDMI card is "unplugged"
• 705[04:57:50] <georgia> I know what youre thinking, in alsamixer you have it set to pulseaudio! Well when I set it as Intel HDMI in alsa it's still unplugged
• 706[04:58:12] <echosystm> haha petemc there is a connection script that addresses this
• 707[04:58:20] <echosystm> absolutely undocmented anywhere
• 708[04:58:31] <Shadow_7> georgia: pulseaudio does not share unless you do a networked config.
• 709[04:58:35] <echosystm> found it purely by chance by searching find / -name '*vpn*'
• 710[04:58:46] <echosystm> fml
• 711[04:58:54] <Shadow_7> georgia: the user that started pulseaudio hogs the audio
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• 713[04:59:11] <petemc> echosystm: what does it say?
• 714[04:59:57] <Shadow_7> georgia: baring the .config/pulse/client.conf ... default server = 127.0.0.1 ... if you're not offloading it to another computer.
• 715[05:00:12] <georgia> I'm using my own computer. I'm the only user on it
• 716[05:00:27] <georgia> I am the user that started pulseaudio
• 717[05:00:46] <Shadow_7> but root isn't the user (probably)
• 718[05:01:03] <georgia> I tried playing that sound as root
• 719[05:01:07] <georgia> did not work
• 720[05:01:30] <georgia> my hardware is fine because this worked with GNOME. apparently XFCE has some problems with autoconfiguring sound
• 721[05:01:32] <georgia> I
• 722[05:01:38] <georgia> pressed enter too soon...
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• 724[05:01:54] <georgia> I'll say what XFCE mixer says
• 725[05:02:40] <Shadow_7> georgia: default-server
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• 728[05:04:00] <georgia> It has the options 1. HDA Intel HDMI (Alsa mixer) 2. HDA Intel PCH (Alsa mixer) 3. Playback: Built in Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI) (PulseAudio Mixer)
• 729[05:04:20] <georgia> 4. Playback: Built in Audio Analog Stereo (PulseAudio Mixer)
• 730[05:04:42] <georgia> and then it has my microphones which don't matter right now
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• 733[05:05:43] <Shadow_7> And that's in the wm? or pavucontrol?
• 734[05:05:45] <georgia> I am set to HDA Intel HDMI and have enabled the "switches". Alsamixer is also set to the same card.
• 735[05:05:54] <georgia> That's in xfce audio mixer
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• 737[05:06:36] <georgia> I'll get pavucontrol screenshot. The problem is HDA HDMI whatever is "unplugged"
• 738[05:06:41] <Shadow_7> georgia: cat /proc/asound/cards ... they're probably all the same card, just differnt parts of it. hw:0,0 hw:0,3 ...
• 739[05:07:48] <userro> what happened to ifconfig? It's not available
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• 741[05:08:19] <missmbob> use full path. /sbin/ifconfig
• 742[05:08:20] <georgia> by the way, thank you :)
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• 744[05:08:40] <georgia> I wouldn't be surprised if they are integrated. It's a laptop.
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• 747[05:09:12] <missmbob> georgia: jessie?
• 748[05:09:25] <georgia> I'm Jessie's girl. :P
• 749[05:09:33] <userro> missmbob, it's package is not available
• 750[05:09:57] <georgia> Yeah. I have a stupid buggy prop BIOS I can't replace and somehow when I upgraded to stretch the GRUB dummy stopped working
• 751[05:10:11] <missmbob> georgia: are you running debian jessie?
• 752[05:10:16] <georgia> yes
• 753[05:10:24] <georgia> I had to dd zero my 1 TB drive
• 754[05:10:31] <georgia> and installed good old jessie
• 755[05:10:33] <userro> stretch didn't work for me either
• 756[05:10:33] <georgia> 8.7
• 757[05:10:34] <missmbob> georgia: try upgrading your kernel from 3.16 to 4.9 using jessie-backports
• 758[05:10:51] <georgia> Isn't that erm... dangerous?
• 759[05:10:58] <missmbob> georgia: no
• 760[05:11:17] <missmbob> georgia: replaced-url
• 761[05:11:25] <georgia> The thing is, my sound worked with GNOME 3
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• 763[05:11:59] <georgia> Hey, I've used backports plenty of times
• 764[05:12:09] <georgia> I try to avoid it because dependency hell ensues
• 765[05:12:14] <georgia> I've had some fun times.
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• 767[05:12:39] <missmbob> then you havent done it right. the whole point of backports is stable deps. but whatever. i dont know then.
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• 771[05:13:10] <georgia> The packages are stable but the dependencies get messy.
• 772[05:13:23] <echosystm> petemc: it says it preserves sshd connections when the routing changes
• 773[05:13:27] <userro> so stretch will not work with 3.10 kernel?
• 774[05:13:31] <echosystm> dunno how. it works. all is well in the garden.
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• 776[05:13:51] <georgia> Okay getting that screenshot...
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• 781[05:16:53] <petemc> echosystm: thats a bold statement it makes
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• 783[05:17:11] <petemc> they must have reinvented tcp
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• 787[05:23:40] <georgia> replaced-url
• 788[05:23:52] <georgia> unfortunately I couldn't show all the selectable options. I'll list them
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• 790[05:24:37] <georgia> under built-in analog audio stereo there are two more options: 1. analog output 2. headphones (unplugged)
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• 794[05:26:46] <georgia> in configuration, the options for the digital sound are: 1. Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output (unplugged) 2. Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output (unplugged) 3. Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output (unplugged) and 4-6 are Digital Surround 5.1 (HDMI) Output (unplugged)
• 795[05:27:55] <georgia> The analog audio has options: 1. Analog Stereo Output 2. Analog Stereo Duplex 3. Analog Stereo Input (and 4. off)
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• 799[05:30:24] <georgia> I don't know why it's unplugged. I have searched the web and all the people with that problem have nvdia drivers or whatever. I don't.
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• 801[05:30:52] <echosystm> petemc: nevermind i misunderstood
• 802[05:32:11] <georgia> I will try any config of the above
• 803[05:32:26] <georgia> If you suggest
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• 806[05:32:56] <Allen_Oaks> Wow....
• 807[05:33:03] <Allen_Oaks> If it isn't the debian nerds
• 808[05:33:12] <Allen_Oaks> nochat your losing traffic.
• 809[05:33:14] <Allen_Oaks> wow.
• 810[05:33:22] <Allen_Oaks> this is insane.
• 811[05:33:25] <Allen_Oaks> wow.
• 812[05:33:32] <Allen_Oaks> Can i even handle this right now?
• 813[05:33:41] <georgia> I love you too
• 814[05:33:41] <Allen_Oaks> PEACE BITCHES & HOES
• 815[05:33:52] <Allen_Oaks> you know what i love you too gerogia
• 816[05:34:07] <georgia> I spell my name that way sometimes
• 817[05:34:15] <georgia> 10 years ago
• 818[05:34:26] <Allen_Oaks> Yea i sure did love 10 years agao
• 819[05:34:32] <Allen_Oaks> i was banging your mom nightly
• 820[05:34:42] <Allen_Oaks> screaming "ALLEN!!! OOOOHH!! ALLEN!!!!"
• 821[05:34:42] <georgia> Hilarious.
• 822[05:34:46] <Allen_Oaks> yea i know.
• 823[05:34:48] <georgia> I was in the fourth grade.
• 824[05:34:50] <Allen_Oaks> IRC NETWORKS RULE!
• 825[05:35:00] <Allen_Oaks> FUCK FACEBOOK LIVE, FUCK YOUTUBE! LONG LIVE IRC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
• 826[05:35:07] <georgia> Are you drunk or something?
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• 828[05:35:15] <Allen_Oaks> i made my first million in fourth grade.
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• 833[05:35:21] <georgia> Go to off-topic.
• 834[05:35:29] <georgia> Oh, there he goes.
• 835[05:35:55] <georgia> So yeah, my sound
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• 838[05:36:55] <somiaj> what sound driver/module is being loaded?
• 839[05:37:13] <georgia> Here's a run-down: hardware works. link replaced-url
• 840[05:37:23] <georgia> Oh I'll check
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• 842[05:38:04] <georgia> lspci -k gives me...
• 843[05:38:12] <somiaj> the snd-hda-intel driver covers tons of various chips
• 844[05:38:33] <georgia> yup
• 845[05:38:36] <georgia> 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller (rev 09)
• 846[05:38:36] <georgia> Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Device 0075
• 847[05:38:36] <georgia> Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
• 848[05:38:50] <georgia> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series HD Audio Controller (rev 04)
• 849[05:38:50] <georgia> Subsystem: COMPAL Electronics Inc Device 0075
• 850[05:38:50] <georgia> Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
• 851[05:38:51] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 852[05:39:05] <somiaj> that is kinda oudated for pulse, but I only know a bit about the alsa layer as I don't use pulse
• 853[05:39:28] <georgia> I have already gone through ubuntu's sound config guide. But not the intel specific one, thanks.
• 854[05:39:35] <georgia> will check out now
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• 856[05:41:43] <georgia> my alsa is up to date
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• 858[05:42:35] <georgia> Anyway, my sound worked with gnome. This isn't a hardware or driver/firmware/kernel problem. It's a configuration problem compounded by HDMI thing being unplugged.
• 859[05:43:13] <georgia> Basically, I have 3 ways of configuring sound, all important.... 1. xfce audio mixer. 2. pavucontrol 3. alsamixer
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• 861[05:43:36] <georgia> Logically I have tried getting each set on the same card/playback whatever
• 862[05:44:02] <georgia> When they are all set on analog audio output...
• 863[05:45:23] <somiaj> you don't need to configure all three, pulse is on top of alsa, and if using pulse, provide alsa sees the card you should only use pulse and it shoudln't matter if you use pavucontrol or xfce to do that
• 864[05:45:59] <georgia> yeah, you're right. I haven't been using alsa, when I exit the settings don't change so I guess I'm just looking at the other cards
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• 866[05:46:52] <georgia> xfce mixer matters though because
• 867[05:47:43] <georgia> right now with pavu and xfce both on analog audio, pressing volume function keys shows notification on the screen, and changes the volume applet (they are reactive)
• 868[05:47:53] <georgia> but no sound.
• 869[05:48:06] <somiaj> yea I'm unsure about pulse.
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• 871[05:48:25] <somiaj> I know that the model can affect how different ports on a sound card are treated
• 872[05:48:26] <georgia> pulse is weird because HDMI whatever digital is unplugged
• 873[05:48:36] <georgia> It's not a hardware issue :P
• 874[05:49:12] <georgia> Thank you so much by the way. It's amazing that you volunteer your time helping "Debian Nerds!!", as someone once said.
• 875[05:49:43] <somiaj> one thing you could try is disable pulse and just work with alsa
• 876[05:49:48] <somiaj> !alsa checklist
• 877[05:49:48] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
• 878[05:50:18] <somiaj> but with snd-hda-intel it is sometimes as easy as choosing a different model for your codec
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• 880[05:50:35] <georgia> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav doesn't work for root
• 881[05:51:16] <somiaj> try the different sound cards/devices listed in aplay -l
• 882[05:51:40] <georgia> here's the error message: No protocol specified
• 883[05:51:40] <georgia> xcb_connection_has_error() returned true
• 884[05:51:40] <georgia> No protocol specified
• 885[05:51:40] <georgia> xcb_connection_has_error() returned true
• 886[05:51:40] <georgia> ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused
• 887[05:51:40] <georgia> aplay: main:722: audio open error: Connection refused
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• 890[05:52:29] <missmbob> she keeps fucking with root and making pulse run as root
• 891[05:52:31] <georgia> SORRY
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• 894[05:53:49] <georgia> Sorry for flooding I mean
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• 896[05:53:55] <georgia> Not sure what you're talking about
• 897[05:54:10] <georgia> running aplay whatever with root is on the alsa config checklist
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• 899[05:55:54] <Shadow_7> computer crashed. I guess if I opt to manually run fstrim on an ssd, that I should actually do that at least once a month.
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• 901[05:56:32] <georgia> And I'm in the audio group
• 902[05:57:09] <georgia> I don't think you need to do that unless it's an old SSD
• 903[05:57:34] <Shadow_7> or a cheap one
• 904[05:57:35] <georgia> It does it automatically now. SMART technology or something
• 905[05:57:39] <georgia> touche
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• 907[05:58:21] <Shadow_7> so still audio problem for you georgia? works on user, not on root?
• 908[05:58:22] <georgia> SSD is getting really cheap. When I was 16 a TB was 750. When I was 18 it was 450.
• 909[05:58:29] <georgia> works on neither
• 910[05:58:36] <georgia> no sound. zero. at all.
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• 912[05:58:48] <Shadow_7> georgia: do you have a .asoundrc?
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• 915[05:59:14] <georgia> Ill try a find
• 916[05:59:43] <somiaj> georgia: $HOME/.asoundrc
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• 918[06:00:23] <georgia> Do you mean ~/? aka my user's working directory
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• 920[06:00:29] <Shadow_7> georgia: does speaker-test output? $ speaker-test -c 2 -l 1 -D hw:1
• 921[06:00:42] <Shadow_7> georgia: ~/.asoundrc
• 922[06:01:03] <somiaj> though this shouldn't affect root's test, have you tried to see if there are different models for your cards codec yet?
• 923[06:01:09] <georgia> holy crap, I don't have on
• 924[06:01:11] <georgia> *one
• 925[06:01:14] <somiaj> that's fine
• 926[06:01:19] <somiaj> you shouldn't since you use pulse
• 927[06:01:22] <georgia> alrighty then.
• 928[06:01:35] <georgia> testing the speaker now
• 929[06:01:47] <Shadow_7> there are system defaults, so .asoundrc is optional. although defaults probably favor pulseaudio
• 930[06:02:04] <Shadow_7> without the -D if using pulse
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• 934[06:02:21] <georgia> I got an error message
• 935[06:02:34] <georgia> I want to paste it but it will flood. I have to reformat it...
• 936[06:02:43] <Shadow_7> the hw:# is relative to your /proc/asound/cards
• 937[06:03:05] <Shadow_7> where HDMI audio would be hw:0,3 or similar
• 938[06:03:19] <georgia> what the hell is pink noise?
• 939[06:03:21] <georgia> speaker-test 1.0.28/ Playback device is hw:1/ Stream parameters are 48000Hz/S16_LE, 2 channels/Using 16 octaves of pink noise/Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
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• 942[06:03:52] <Shadow_7> georgia: without the -D hw:1 part... aka system defaults
• 943[06:04:48] <somiaj> is pulse still running?
• 944[06:04:53] <georgia> I'll paste this again because it answers some of your questions: replaced-url
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• 946[06:05:31] <georgia> It goes from bottom up aka Hardware > Alsa > Pulseaudio
• 947[06:05:39] <georgia> It's redundant but forgive me
• 948[06:05:54] <georgia> pulse is running. I'll kill it though
• 949[06:06:12] <somiaj> that is why you are getting resource busy
• 950[06:06:30] <Shadow_7> georgia: pulse auto respawns... unless you have autospawn = no in /etc/pulse/client.conf
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• 952[06:07:02] <georgia> well then i'll kill 9
• 953[06:07:24] <Shadow_7> georgia: the init system respawns it, even with kill. I suppose systemd now
• 954[06:07:28] <somiaj> that won't stop it from respawing
• 955[06:07:36] <Shadow_7> georgia: baring "autospawn = no" in the conf
• 956[06:07:48] <georgia> I'll turn off autospawn
• 957[06:08:05] <georgia> by the way, do you have gsmartcontrol?
• 958[06:08:22] <Shadow_7> ofc that's only there because pulse used to be a bigger turd that always crashed
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• 960[06:09:03] <georgia> is that just boolean?
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• 962[06:09:09] <georgia> i'll try it out
• 963[06:09:19] <Shadow_7> it's a yes or no setting, so yes, boolean
• 964[06:09:35] <georgia> yeah, that's what I meant.
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• 966[06:09:58] <georgia> well this is interesting because it has some options that might come in handy
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• 968[06:10:02] <georgia> like default X
• 969[06:10:03] <Shadow_7> technically boolean is true or false. But same spirit I guess, for string versus bit
• 970[06:10:54] <georgia> 0 is false and 1 is true
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• 973[06:11:21] <georgia> you must have seen the output of foo bar before :P
• 974[06:11:35] <Shadow_7> depends on the tool really... return code wise 0 == pass ... 1 == fail
• 975[06:11:56] <georgia> I'm talking in terms of boolean algebra.
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• 977[06:12:21] <georgia> and wikipedia's "AND", "OR", "NOT" are called boolean operators often
• 978[06:12:30] <georgia> fun with logic gates!
• 979[06:12:35] <georgia> fuckit I'm distracted
• 980[06:12:44] <Shadow_7> bit wise... depends on your generational gap
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• 982[06:13:05] <georgia> autospawn now equals no
• 983[06:13:24] <Shadow_7> georgia: pulseaudio --kill
• 984[06:13:31] <georgia> ahead of you
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• 986[06:13:53] <georgia> now what? pulseaudio --start?
• 987[06:13:55] <Shadow_7> odd that they don't also make --stop function... kids these days... so violent
• 988[06:14:04] <georgia> I tried stop before kill
• 989[06:14:12] <Shadow_7> georgia: try to use the soundcard first
• 990[06:14:14] <georgia> In my defense
• 991[06:14:28] <georgia> oh, the aplay thing?
• 992[06:14:43] <Shadow_7> whatever tool you've had success with in the past
• 993[06:15:22] <Shadow_7> aka confidence that you're not doing it wrong
• 994[06:15:22] <georgia> I haven't. Before I had success with it out of the box. Again, it's an xfce thing somehow. Or maybe related to a GNOME package
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• 998[06:15:41] <Shadow_7> I use speaker-test most times
• 999[06:16:05] <georgia> the output makes it seem like it worked
• 1000[06:16:13] <Shadow_7> georgia: but no sound?
• 1001[06:16:27] <georgia> either it or my ears is mistaken
• 1002[06:16:38] <georgia> and I am partial to my ears
• 1003[06:16:38] <Shadow_7> georgia: check mixer settings and try other outputs -D hw:1
• 1004[06:16:55] <georgia> hw:2 no such file or dir
• 1005[06:17:03] <georgia> same with 3
• 1006[06:17:10] <georgia> and zero
• 1007[06:17:24] <Shadow_7> probably -D hw:0 or -D hw:1 ... or the hw#,3 for HDMI audio
• 1008[06:17:40] <georgia> I tried both
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• 1010[06:17:50] <georgia> do I need to type it like that? hw#,3?
• 1011[06:18:06] <Shadow_7> georgia: hw:1,3 or hw:0,3
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• 1014[06:18:27] <Shadow_7> georgia: check alsamixer -c # too. $ alsamixer -c 1
• 1015[06:18:30] <georgia> zero three "worked"
• 1016[06:18:40] <Shadow_7> georgia: so your HDMI out then
• 1017[06:18:44] <georgia> as in the directories existed
• 1018[06:18:56] <Shadow_7> do you want to use alsa or pulse?
• 1019[06:18:56] <georgia> I'm sure that was in my pastebin :P
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• 1024[06:19:38] <Shadow_7> if alsa... .asoundrc == defaults.pcm.card 1 \ndefault.pcm.device 3
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• 1026[06:19:48] <Shadow_7> defaults*
• 1027[06:20:04] <Shadow_7> actually card 0... might be nap time
• 1028[06:20:34] <georgia> pulseaudio. again, it worked with gnome
• 1029[06:20:41] <georgia> this is an xfce issue somehow
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• 1031[06:20:55] <Shadow_7> not everything silverspoon's you
• 1032[06:20:56] <georgia> I'll set them to default
• 1033[06:21:11] <missmbob> if you run pulseaudio as root users will *not* be able to make sound
• 1034[06:21:12] <georgia> no apostrophe needed :P
• 1035[06:21:12] <Shadow_7> with the .asoundrc, it'll just default
• 1036[06:21:25] <georgia> it doesn't run as either
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• 1038[06:21:35] <georgia> oh, are you at EST?
• 1039[06:21:42] <Shadow_7> not by default for root. it can make sound if you config it. networked though.
• 1040[06:21:55] <Shadow_7> CST, an hour before EST
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• 1042[06:22:18] <georgia> Alright, tell me what to type in.
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• 1044[06:22:29] <georgia> replaced-url
• 1045[06:22:31] <georgia> for good measure
• 1046[06:22:50] <georgia> just skim it :)
• 1047[06:23:17] <georgia> I'm EST. Who goes to bed at 11:30? :P
• 1048[06:23:55] <georgia> Oh, are you one of those really cool usenet unix nerds?
• 1049[06:24:38] <georgia> My best friends dad worked on X windows. I asked him if he met RMS and he said "yes. he smells like ass and he's no fun at parties"
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• 1051[06:24:54] <georgia> precious
• 1052[06:24:54] <Shadow_7> georgia: the pulseaudio over jackd wiki is pretty useful, if you understand what you're doing
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• 1054[06:25:30] <georgia> jackd is crazy.
• 1055[06:25:39] <georgia> again, it worked with gnome...
• 1056[06:25:45] <georgia> you know what? fuck it.
• 1057[06:26:05] <georgia> I'm going to install mate alongside xfce and hex you from there
• 1058[06:26:10] <georgia> (hexchat)
• 1059[06:26:16] <georgia> off we go!!!
• 1060[06:26:21] <Shadow_7> the probablem with worked with ... is that eventually it doesn't work with.
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• 1064[06:27:16] <dooom> that's a good one
• 1065[06:27:25] <georgia> 252 MBs later
• 1066[06:27:39] <georgia> don't ruin this for me. I haven't used mate since the 5th time I dd zeroed my harddrive.
• 1067[06:28:07] <georgia> aka, like 2 weeks ago
• 1068[06:28:21] <georgia> that was a result of the weird grub dummy problem from upgrading to stretch
• 1069[06:29:06] <georgia> okay, so I'm going to get on mate. oh wait, I use wdm. Can I switch to mate with wdm?
• 1070[06:29:59] <georgia> anyway, I'll hexchat you about my audio settings. I'll change pulseaudio back to autospawn to recreate original
• 1071[06:30:21] <georgia> etc
• 1072[06:30:41] <georgia> oh crap, that was supposed to be a control F. I wanted to know what the file I changed was
• 1073[06:30:57] <georgia> found :P
• 1074[06:31:27] <Shadow_7> Just install xinit, and startx with .xinitrc (when all else fails)
• 1075[06:32:19] <georgia> yeah I could get in via debian rescue.
• 1076[06:32:30] <georgia> brb
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• 1081[06:35:49] <georgia> almost installed.
• 1082[06:36:27] <georgia> see you on the other side
• 1083[06:36:53] <georgia> ........
• 1084[06:37:42] <georgia> come on. 12.7 KB/S?!!?
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• 1091[06:44:02] <georgia> hey again!
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• 1093[06:45:09] <georgia> `well this is just fucking fantastic
• 1094[06:45:19] <georgia> no fucking sound
• 1095[06:45:33] <Shadow_7> georgia: mv .asoundrc to .zsoundrc
• 1096[06:46:04] <georgia> I dont have asoundrc remember?
• 1097[06:46:15] <georgia> anyway I'm trying to use mate's easier to confer sound htingy
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• 1102[06:48:13] <georgia> this is totally unfair. I miss mate now.
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• 1106[06:48:48] <Shadow_7> gnome2 was the chosen one long long ago
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• 1110[06:50:45] <georgia> well this makes more sense.
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• 1112[06:51:18] <georgia> okay, we can forget about the intel hda hdmi thing. my memory is triggered and mate never displayed it in its sound config things, but it still worked
• 1113[06:51:25] <georgia> i have hope
• 1114[06:52:05] <Shadow_7> georgia: you might need to manually start pulseaudio with autospawn=no enabled
• 1115[06:52:10] <georgia> xfce is less sexy (if gnome 2 is sexy) but it has whisker menu, mime type editor, more configurable
• 1116[06:52:15] <georgia> I disabled it remember
• 1117[06:52:55] <Shadow_7> most pretty things use pulse though or try to. But they'll probably start it if you didn't
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• 1121[06:53:48] <georgia> FUCK YESSSS
• 1122[06:53:50] <georgia> FRONT LEFT BITCHES
• 1123[06:54:06] <georgia> FRONT RIGHT!!!!
• 1124[06:54:12] <georgia> here's the config
• 1125[06:54:28] <georgia> built in analog stereo is fallback
• 1126[06:54:35] <georgia> port is speakers
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• 1128[06:55:09] <georgia> mixer set to analog stereo output
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• 1130[06:55:48] <georgia> basically, mate makes shit easier to configure.
• 1131[06:56:04] <georgia> because of the aforementioned front left front right thingy
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• 1133[06:56:22] <somiaj> please keep down the excitement and focus mainly on support, also don't hit enter so often.
• 1134[06:56:25] <somiaj> !enter
• 1135[06:56:25] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
• 1136[06:56:55] <georgia> Sorry. I got a little excited. I haven't had sound for 3 weeks.
• 1137[06:57:32] <georgia> I'm going back to xfce4 now.
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• 1142[06:59:50] <georgia> when I logged into xfce it was preconfigured :)
• 1143[07:00:16] <georgia> everything is fine now. thank you so much for your help. :)
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• 1146[07:01:09] <georgia> I purged mate. goodbye mate.
• 1147[07:02:40] <georgia> a minor new problem with notification theme. I'll try and fix it
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• 1153[07:05:22] <georgia> only one theme is working...
• 1154[07:05:28] <georgia> and it might be a mate theme
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• 1157[07:06:22] <foodSurprise> can anyone help explain to me how to change resolution
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• 1159[07:06:43] <georgia> of your desktop? you technically can't
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• 1161[07:07:00] <georgia> but I know what you mean
• 1162[07:07:09] <georgia> what DE are you using?
• 1163[07:07:18] <foodSurprise> i'm using xfce
• 1164[07:07:22] <foodSurprise> sorry lxde
• 1165[07:07:33] <georgia> oh, do you have an application called "display"?
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• 1167[07:07:49] <georgia> xfce is amazing
• 1168[07:08:02] <georgia> I highly recommend it.
• 1169[07:09:07] <foodSurprise> no display command
• 1170[07:09:17] <georgia> I'm talking about an application
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• 1173[07:10:20] <dooom> apt install lxrandr - then Preferences > Monitor Settings . Source: google
• 1174[07:10:24] <georgia> do your have lxrandr?
• 1175[07:10:30] <georgia> haha, I googled it too
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• 1177[07:10:58] <foodSurprise> the max settings is goes to is 1024x768
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• 1179[07:11:12] <foodSurprise> but i'm pretty sure it goes higher
• 1180[07:11:12] <georgia> I don't know much about lxde. It's pretty bare bones on its own. anyway askubuntu comes in handy
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• 1184[07:11:43] <georgia> replaced-url
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• 1186[07:12:39] <foodSurprise> looks like my drivers are loading
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• 1188[07:13:35] <foodSurprise> it says 512x384 there
• 1189[07:13:40] <foodSurprise> but lxrandr says 1024
• 1190[07:13:59] <georgia> it might mean a 10:24 ratio?
• 1191[07:14:08] <georgia> nah, that wouldn't work
• 1192[07:14:15] <georgia> weird.
• 1193[07:14:30] <georgia> how big is your computer?
• 1194[07:14:43] <foodSurprise> its a dell laptop/netbook
• 1195[07:14:46] <foodSurprise> small display but
• 1196[07:14:52] <georgia> does the physical screen look more squarish or rectanglish?
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• 1198[07:15:07] <foodSurprise> all the text is oversized
• 1199[07:15:15] <foodSurprise> its a rectangle
• 1200[07:15:29] <georgia> since it's openbox, maybe the site got confused. try changing the window size
• 1201[07:16:33] <foodSurprise> Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
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• 1203[07:16:39] <foodSurprise> thats the output of xrandr
• 1204[07:17:05] <georgia> try xdpyinfo | grep 'dimensions'
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• 1206[07:17:32] <foodSurprise> dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (220x120 millimeters)
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• 1208[07:18:00] <georgia> well then forget the website. it's probably an openbox thing
• 1209[07:18:17] <georgia> you want to make your resolution higher?
• 1210[07:18:41] <georgia> gnu/linux is pretty stiff when it comes to resolution choices
• 1211[07:18:56] <georgia> I think 1024x768 is your limit
• 1212[07:19:33] <foodSurprise> dang
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• 1214[07:19:55] <foodSurprise> if i didn't have to change firefox's text size it would be useable
• 1215[07:20:35] <georgia> explain?
• 1216[07:21:46] <georgia> you can give firefox a default zoom
• 1217[07:21:48] <foodSurprise> the text is just too large for this resultion
• 1218[07:21:57] <foodSurprise> can i set that systsem wide
• 1219[07:22:01] <foodSurprise> or is that a WM thing
• 1220[07:22:39] <georgia> go to panel settings
• 1221[07:22:51] <georgia> I think you can change text size
• 1222[07:23:31] <georgia> do you have some sort of system settings application? system preferences?
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• 1231[07:25:48] <TonyStark> Good morning. I am trying to build Ulteo from sources. I found file "Upbuilder.yml". What does use that file?
• 1232[07:26:41] <georgia> replaced-url
• 1233[07:27:39] <georgia> you can definitely change firefox font size. under preferences > content > fonts and colors
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• 1245[07:35:08] <georgia> good night everyone
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• 1256[07:44:08] <Teststst> I wish to add a debian iso that is mounted on a usb to my sources list but I find this complicated. I have tried with the command add-cdrom add -d /dev/sdb but it just tells me to mount the cd. I think if I mount the usb as a cdrom it will work. How can I do this? Or if you have another option how to solve this is just as fine.
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• 1266[07:49:24] <dooom> never done that but I would guess you can mount the USB normally and then pass add-crdom the path to the ISO file
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• 1269[07:53:12] <Teststst> I tried: apt-cdrom add -d /media/debian/"Debian 8.7.1 amd64 2" but I get same error: replaced-url
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• 1275[07:56:31] <dooom> path looks bad
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• 1277[07:56:59] <dooom> maybe "/media/debian/Debian 8.7.1 amd64 2" or /media/debian/Debian\ 8.7.1\ amd64\ 2
• 1278[07:58:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1643
• 1279[07:58:00] <dooom> ls /media/debian/Deb* ... why no file extension?
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• 1281[07:59:12] <Teststst> same answer, also tried /dev/sdb doesn't work.
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• 1284[08:00:03] <dooom> is it a file on the USB or did you image the USB with the ISO
• 1285[08:00:17] <Teststst> image the usb with the iso
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• 1287[08:00:59] <Dreaman> unetbootin
• 1288[08:01:34] <dooom> try replaced-url
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• 1306[08:10:04] <wshakes> Can anybody help me, trouble editing fstab setting up pureftpd on debian 8. Not sure how to properly edit fstab file in my case. Details here: replaced-url
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• 1309[08:12:07] <Teststst> dooom: Think I found the problem now, when I try the command mount it says it can't find it in the folder /etc/fstab. I have no idea how this file should look like. Do you? replaced-url
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• 1314[08:13:42] <poffy_> Hi, I am looking for a dvi viewer with vim bindings, forward sync and not written with c++. Does that exist?
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• 1318[08:16:02] <wshakes> Can anybody help me, trouble editing fstab setting up pureftpd on debian 8. Not sure how to properly edit fstab file in my case. Details here: replaced-url
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• 1323[08:18:56] <nkuttler> wshakes: what is the fstab edit supposed to accomplish?
• 1324[08:19:40] <wshakes> that's the thing. it's been a really explanatory and helpful guide until now, i've been following along great, then this thing, i dont have a clue
• 1325[08:20:12] <nkuttler> and, btw, you have no root filesystem
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• 1328[08:20:41] <wshakes> somebody said eko_taas
• 1329[08:20:41] <wshakes> eko_taas
• 1330[08:20:41] <wshakes> New Member
• 1331[08:20:41] <wshakes> fstab edit is required to identify your quota what to count
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• 1333[08:20:57] <hanshenrik__> i can't connect to ftp.no.debian.org now
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• 1335[08:21:18] <hanshenrik__> worked fine about 6 hours ago
• 1336[08:21:46] <hanshenrik__> can anyone else connect?
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• 1339[08:22:18] <somiaj> that is a round robin mirror, could it just have picked another mirror via dns and that one you can't connect to.
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• 1341[08:22:34] <somiaj> I would try deb.debian.org or pick a specific mirror near by.
• 1342[08:22:34] <Shadow_7> doesn't take ping it seems... From ftp2.uio.no (129.240.118.47) icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Prohibited
• 1343[08:22:48] <hanshenrik__> 11 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms mrom-gw21.uio.no [129.240.24.226]
• 1344[08:22:48] <hanshenrik__> 12 ftp2.uio.no [129.240.118.47] reports: Destination host unreachable.
• 1345[08:22:56] <wshakes> Well I have found my own answer. It is for setting FTP quotas. Which I am not concerned about. I will keep going. thanks anyways.
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• 1411[08:57:10] <Olanzapin> Anyone how knows a sources.list generator for jessie that works ? I use replaced-url
• 1412[08:57:38] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 1413[08:57:38] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1416[08:58:20] <jelly> Olanzapin: the generator you mention is known to make errors sometimes
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• 1420[08:59:22] <Olanzapin> Ok well then i got them all 3 at the moment.
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• 1425[09:01:59] <jelly> you're set then
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• 1428[09:02:55] <Olanzapin> great :-)
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• 1444[09:10:44] <ThomasJ> Seems someone broke DNS for ftp.no.debian.org :\
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• 1450[09:12:09] <somiaj> ThomasJ: seems that way, use another mirror for the time.
• 1451[09:12:33] <ThomasJ> ftp.no.debian.org. 2051 IN CNAME ftp.se.debian.org.no.debian.org. someone missed a . :P
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• 1456[09:14:06] <ThomasJ> I wonder if this was a scriptet triggered update as a result of the ftp at uio.no being broken or if was manual intervention
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• 1618[10:51:18] <argonius> anyone has a direct link
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• 1620[10:51:19] <argonius> to p8?
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• 1622[10:51:44] <argonius> ah got it
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• 1674[11:09:47] <rapidshot64> I'm trying to patch driver from cherry picked upstream linux kernel, but It says HUNK failed any idea for fixing it?
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• 1677[11:10:53] <rapidshot64> what I'm trying to patch is that cherrypick from replaced-url
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• 1701[11:26:33] <u1n1k0n1o1w1n> Hello, I'm trying execute : gpg --keyserver security.debian.org --recv-key 9D6D8F6BC857C906 but it gives me this error: ?: security.debian.org: Network is unreachable, it seems like the site is down?
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• 1714[11:28:08] <babilen> u1n1k0n1o1w1n: That rather looks as if your network connection is not working. Can you access other hosts?
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• 1736[11:36:27] <jorgesanjuan> Hi. I'm trying to create a chroot for debian squeeze but it may need to support arm-hf. I'm building stuff for an embedded hardware that is based on debian sqeeze but it is armhf.
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• 1740[11:37:11] <jorgesanjuan> basically. I'm trying this: replaced-url
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• 1745[11:38:13] <jorgesanjuan> But I may need something that supports armhf. We used to have a wheezy chroot but was giving us some problems so we had to use compiled binaries for maverick
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• 1748[11:38:51] <bazhang> maverick?
• 1749[11:39:12] <bazhang> you added ubuntu repos to debian?
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• 1754[11:40:20] <jorgesanjuan> No. We just got a couple compiled binaries that seemed to work in our hardware.
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• 1756[11:40:41] <bazhang> but you added some ubuntu in there
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• 1758[11:41:01] <jorgesanjuan> As our wheezy chroot was giving us some problems with the built binaries
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• 1761[11:42:04] <La09x09> daym. debian is stable af
• 1762[11:42:22] <bazhang> La09x09, af?
• 1763[11:42:26] <jorgesanjuan> Well. That wheezy chroot no longer exist. What I'm trying to get is a squeezy one. Our hardware has:
• 1764[11:42:36] <jorgesanjuan> squeeze/sid in /etc/debian_version
• 1765[11:42:38] <La09x09> bazhang, all fine
• 1766[11:42:56] <bazhang> La09x09, here to chat?
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• 1771[11:43:33] <La09x09> bazhang, to use debian support
• 1772[11:43:34] <jorgesanjuan> but `readelf -A /lib/libc-2.12.1.so` says ` Tag_FP_arch: VFPv3-D16 / Tag_ABI_HardFP_use: SP and DP`
• 1773[11:43:45] <bazhang> La09x09, then ask
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• 1775[11:43:58] <La09x09> bazhang, will do. why do you worry so much?
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• 1783[11:44:52] <troulouliou_div2> hi when i mount a windows install cd with type iso9660 in fstab / mount -t ; i only have a readme.txt file ; however when i use mount wihout argument i get all the files
• 1784[11:45:01] <troulouliou_div2> what is the exact iso type for windows install iso ?
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• 1807[11:51:23] <blob_> hello debian users, is there a way to do dpkg -i in silent mode like apt -q install ?
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• 1812[11:54:21] <La09x09> if I run : apt upgrade. why do I need to run apt dist-upgrade later and upgrade all over?
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• 1817[11:55:43] <bazhang> La09x09, what did you imagine dist-upgrade does
• 1818[11:55:56] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade
• 1819[11:55:56] <dpkg> dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>.
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• 1821[11:56:46] <La09x09> so I need to run apt update then apt upgrade then apt dist-upgrade.. ah ok.. I miss arch linux pacman -Syu one command
• 1822[11:56:56] <bazhang> La09x09, you get that^?
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• 1830[12:02:00] <u1n1k0n1o1w1n> babilen, Sorry for the late reaction, my internet connection seems fine, I can ping other hosts, I can even wget stuff, I can also just install packages.
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• 1864[12:20:43] <blob_> again, is there a way to do dpkg -i in silent mode? like apt -q install does?
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• 1866[12:22:06] <towo^work> when apt does this, why not using apt?
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• 1955[13:12:08] <tdn> I just upgraded from Debian 7 to 8. And after upgrade syslog-ng stopped working. It appears that the syslog-ng 3.3 configuration format is incompatible with syslog-ng 3.5. However, this is not mentioned in the release notes/upgrade guidelines. Maybe this should be added?
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• 1962[13:17:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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• 1971[13:23:36] <kqr> this may not be the right place to ask but I feel like I should give it a shot anyway. I had an ext (2, 3 or 4, can't remember for sure) partition which I accidentally ran mkfs.ext4 on. is there any chance that I can recover the original file tree?
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• 1977[13:24:36] <tdn> kqr, no backups?
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• 1980[13:24:54] <tdn> kqr, Start by taking a complete image of the drive using dd or similar.
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• 1983[13:25:19] <tdn> kqr, do a chmod -w on the image file. Then work on your image.
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• 1994[13:32:38] <kqr> tdn, no backups. the data on it is not essential and I was prepared to lose it. it would just be very convenient if I can restore it
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• 1997[13:34:46] <kqr> i am working on a read-only image
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• 2001[13:35:34] <tdn> kqr, look at magic rescue
• 2002[13:35:51] <tdn> kqr, apt-get isntall magicrescue
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• 2008[13:36:40] <G66K> hello everyone
• 2009[13:36:41] <G66K> how to change ip for ppp0 interface manually ?
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• 2016[13:39:31] <kqr> tdn, will try that if it comes to it. currently running testdisk to see if it can just restore the partition as a whole
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• 2018[13:40:11] <stoned> Good morning
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• 2022[13:42:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning stoned
• 2023[13:43:32] <stoned> I can create a zpool in OI, but when I try to import in linux, nothing shows up!
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• 2025[13:43:50] <stoned> If I create a pool in linux, it shows up in import list in solaris
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• 2027[13:44:12] <stoned> Linux and Open Indiana both make diff structures on disk when you create a zpool
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• 2029[13:44:21] <stoned> Why would they have such a difference?
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• 2031[13:44:48] <stoned> I know it's in backports, I dunno if supported here or not, but #zfs and #openindiana been helping me, they dunno why linux is goofy
• 2032[13:44:51] <stoned> :(
• 2033[13:44:54] <jelly> ask in #zfsonlinux abot any differences in supported features and versions?
• 2034[13:44:55] <stoned> 3 days now, w/ this zfs thingy
• 2035[13:45:12] <stoned> jelly: is that who does the port? zfs onlinux is same as openzfs?
• 2036[13:45:26] <stoned> is there a diff? I was told to use bpo packags of zfs instad of zol (from their debian repo)
• 2037[13:45:31] <jelly> I don't even know what openzfs is.
• 2038[13:45:40] * stoned confuzzled
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• 2042[13:46:30] <jelly> afaiui #zfsonlinux is basically upstream for whatever's in debian
• 2043[13:46:33] <RLa> how is backports repo supposed to work, won't installing from there cause different things in the stable repo to break?
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• 2049[13:47:29] <jelly> RLa: binary packages in there are built against versions of software in stable
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• 2053[13:48:04] <RLa> what if a stable package has dependency on one installed from backports?
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• 2055[13:48:12] <jelly> RLa: that cannot happen
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• 2060[13:49:14] <RLa> i have error while installing virtualbox: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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• 2062[13:49:25] <RLa> kernel is installed from backports
• 2063[13:50:15] <jelly> RLa: if you use software that builds its own kernel modules, you need to have matching linux-image-foo and linux-headers-foo installed
• 2064[13:50:16] <RLa> nothing says it cannot happen, it just ends with a damn compiler error
• 2065[13:50:47] <gr8> hi, I would like LightDM to show up on multiple desktops, not just vt7 but also maybe other displays (F5, F6) so I can log in with different accounts at the same time
• 2066[13:50:49] <RLa> virtualbox in backports has dep on headers from this version
• 2067[13:51:00] <stoned> jelly: oh ok.
• 2068[13:51:05] <stoned> I'll check back w/ them
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• 2070[13:51:22] <RLa> ok, i get it, these things are not built at all and thus untested
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• 2072[13:51:41] <RLa> stable+backports is not "stable" at all
• 2073[13:51:51] <stoned> for example, even if I had to install zfs-dkms, it depended on slc and it's dkms packages, which needed from backport, but it won't install due to pin priority
• 2074[13:51:51] <jelly> RLa: do you have matching linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 from jessie-backports installed?
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• 2077[13:52:07] <stoned> So what you have to do, or I had to do, was just apt-get install -t jessie-backports zfs-dkms
• 2078[13:52:10] <stoned> as an example.
• 2079[13:52:24] <stoned> So, it can't mess up, due to default pin priority
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• 2082[13:52:32] <stoned> so you have to specify -t backport-repo here
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• 2086[13:53:23] <stoned> RLa: stable doesn't mean crashy (in debian)
• 2087[13:53:32] <RLa> replaced-url
• 2088[13:53:33] <stoned> RLa: stable mean completely frozen apart from security updates.
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• 2090[13:53:52] <stoned> so, stable + backprots is essentially not stable any longer (technicall)
• 2091[13:53:59] <stoned> as for crashy or app stability, spot on.
• 2092[13:54:11] <RLa> ok, i will try to downgrade kernel
• 2093[13:54:19] <stoned> I personally run 3.16
• 2094[13:54:23] <stoned> I don't use bpo kernels.
• 2095[13:54:26] <stoned> I don't touch them.
• 2096[13:54:28] <jelly> RLa: do you have linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 package from jessie-backports installed, one that matches the package for the running kernel?
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• 2098[13:54:59] <jelly> RLa: if you don't, that explains dkms build failures
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• 2105[13:56:39] <RLa> jelly, it installs them with virtualbox
• 2106[13:56:42] <RLa> i A linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd - Header files for Linux 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
• 2107[13:56:42] <RLa> i A linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-com - Common header files for Linux 4.9.0-0.bpo.
• 2108[13:57:22] <stoned> I used whdd (clone of mhdd) to zero fill a drive while scanning it's sruface, took all night, now the disk won't show up in fdisk -l
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• 2110[13:57:25] <stoned> I wonder why
• 2111[13:57:26] <jelly> then that version of virtualbox doesn't work with that kernel. Check the build log for details
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• 2114[13:57:38] <RLa> oops
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• 2116[13:57:43] <RLa> i removed running kernel
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• 2119[13:59:23] <gr8> my question, rephrased: how to have multiple X servers running on Debian?
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• 2121[14:00:15] <stoned> Can someone help me find my hdd?
• 2122[14:00:20] <stoned> I lost it inside debian
• 2123[14:00:21] <stoned> :D
• 2124[14:00:41] <stoned> I ran 'whdd' which is an mhdd clone (low level disk surface viewer and zero fill, sector copy, etc. etc. useful tool)
• 2125[14:00:48] <stoned> I zero fill and now the drive is gone from system.
• 2126[14:00:53] <stoned> physically it is still there
• 2127[14:00:57] <bezaban> fdisk -l
• 2128[14:00:59] <stoned> fdisk -l won't list it.
• 2129[14:01:11] <BluesKaj> df -h ?
• 2130[14:01:22] <tw> cat /proc/partitions
• 2131[14:01:32] <stoned> wel, my dmesg will say so: [23411.156314] sd 4:0:0:0: [sde] CDB:
• 2132[14:01:32] <stoned> [25211.250414] sd 4:0:0:0: [sde] Unhandled error code
• 2133[14:01:40] <BluesKaj> maybe parted will see it
• 2134[14:01:41] <stoned> device is sde, it disappeared, but dmesg is saying errors
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• 2136[14:01:57] <stoned> any idea? (worst come to worst, Ic an boot windows/seatools for seagate drive and fix it maybe)
• 2137[14:01:59] <bezaban> maybe you overwrote part of the low-level stuff
• 2138[14:02:00] <RLa> fdisk /dev/sde does not open it?
• 2139[14:02:01] <stoned> but I'm trying to not reboot
• 2140[14:02:11] <bezaban> did you use any unsafe options? :s
• 2141[14:02:18] <stoned> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sde: No such file or directory
• 2142[14:02:24] <bezaban> good luck!
• 2143[14:02:27] <stoned> Haha
• 2144[14:02:34] <RLa> try lsblk
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• 2148[14:02:42] <stoned> no dice
• 2149[14:02:47] <stoned> it's gone! lol
• 2150[14:03:02] <tw> pull the drive and reattach it.
• 2151[14:03:04] <stoned> (it's okay, this drive was going bad anyway, lots of errors in smart)
• 2152[14:03:12] <tw> If that doesn't work, it's done, probably electronics failure.
• 2153[14:03:16] <RLa> i can see the partitions disappear but not the whole disk
• 2154[14:03:23] <stoned> RLa: check out whdd
• 2155[14:03:27] <RLa> yes, it's probably dead
• 2156[14:03:33] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2157[14:03:38] <RLa> errors in smart = dead
• 2158[14:03:58] <stoned> I'll boot seatools.
• 2159[14:04:00] <stoned> See what's up.
• 2160[14:04:04] <stoned> be back later
• 2161[14:04:09] <RLa> not getting why waste time for filling with zeros if it was bad
• 2162[14:04:25] <stoned> RLa: just testing somethings.
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• 2164[14:04:35] <RLa> just drill it through with a drill and take to recycling
• 2165[14:04:37] <stoned> I have 9-10 year old 1001FALS WD Blacks
• 2166[14:04:41] <stoned> 100% helahty.
• 2167[14:04:46] <stoned> not a single error in smart.
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• 2169[14:04:55] <stoned> these new 3tb seagats, terrible hardware.
• 2170[14:05:01] <tw> "new"
• 2171[14:05:02] <stoned> they cut so many corners now, things become round.
• 2172[14:05:23] <stoned> tw: what do you mean by "new" in quotes?
• 2173[14:05:27] <stoned> they recycle old stuff?
• 2174[14:05:40] <tw> The 3T seagates were designed like 4-5 years ago.
• 2175[14:05:46] <tw> they haven't changed the design.
• 2176[14:05:47] <stoned> :D
• 2177[14:05:55] <stoned> I bouth these a few years ago, rarely ever used 'em.
• 2178[14:05:58] <tw> they're still shit.
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• 2180[14:06:01] <stoned> 1 disk is okay, other is gone.
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• 2183[14:06:07] <stoned> Absolute shit.
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• 2185[14:06:38] <BluesKaj> well, I'm not impressed with WD drives anymore
• 2186[14:06:43] <stoned> I wonder if they still show up in open indiana
• 2187[14:06:43] <stoned> hang on
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• 2191[14:08:23] <stoned> nope. vmware can't se it
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• 2193[14:08:33] <stoned> Ah boy. tiem to reboot and find out. thanks morning folks, later
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• 2204[14:10:33] <cronic> can someone help me with sed? i want to replace the $foo of 1.sh with $bar of 2.sh .. therefore i wrote in 2.sh -> sed -i 's/$foo/'"$bar"'/g' /path/to/1.sh
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• 2209[14:11:55] <gr8> alright I think I figured the lightdm config out
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• 2211[14:12:01] <tw> \$foo
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• 2217[14:12:44] <RLa> downgraded kernel, now virtualbox stable installs
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• 2220[14:13:29] <cronic> tw: nope :/
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• 2224[14:15:11] <tw> not enough information then, because that works, assuming $bar doesn't contain any special characters.
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• 2229[14:17:06] <cronic> $foo is defined as var="$foo" in 1.sh , $bar is defined as bar=123091 in 2.sh ,
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• 2232[14:17:45] <cronic> and $foo should become 123091 -> var=123091
• 2233[14:17:55] <cronic> *var="123091"
• 2234[14:19:17] <Olanzapin> replaced-url
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• 2240[14:20:53] <tw> check your permissions on 1.sh.
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• 2275[14:39:26] <jelly> cronic: how about instead of explaining, you pastebin a couple lines of input files and couple lines of expected output files
• 2276[14:39:41] <jelly> <cronic> $foo is defined as var="$foo" # this doesn't make much sense to me
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• 2279[14:41:09] <cronic> jelly: i 've found the failure.. in some cases $bar had special chars like tw said. (rand function)
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• 2281[14:41:55] <tdn> I think this bug: replaced-url
• 2282[14:41:56] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2290[14:47:15] <cronic> another question, is it possible to do a silent install with dpkg -i ?
• 2291[14:47:18] <cronic> like apt -q does?
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• 2300[14:48:29] <Shadow_7> you could always 2>&1 to /dev/null
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• 2304[14:49:41] <stoned> it show sup now
• 2305[14:49:48] <stoned> silly computers.
• 2306[14:50:16] <stoned> seagate tools program said 10% in, smart error on that drive. and it's out of warranty. Time to take it out and take the magnets. D:
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• 2315[14:56:30] <stoned> Lookit smart data stuff: replaced-url
• 2316[14:56:41] <stoned> :(
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• 2338[15:05:54] <nomad_cz> Hi. Is it possible to specify nfs version for exports ? so one export is nfs3 and the other one nfs4 only ?
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• 2367[15:18:07] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2368[15:18:09] <stoned> like this?
• 2369[15:18:15] <stoned> this could be relevant
• 2370[15:18:26] <stoned> I'm not used nfs in longtime
• 2371[15:18:44] <stoned> with mount, -o vers=3 ?
• 2372[15:18:45] <stoned> seemingly.
• 2373[15:18:57] <stoned> and vers=4 etc.
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• 2382[15:22:57] <Rockj> Q: does Debian have a package/software like YaST Expert Partitioner which is able to draw the device mapper graph?
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• 2388[15:25:10] <babilen> Rockj: What's a "device mapper graph" ? What are the nodes and what are the edges?
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• 2396[15:26:20] <Rockj> babilen: yeah, to easily figure out if my setup is disk -> encrypted disk -> lvm -> logical disk . or disk -> mdadm -> encrypted -> lvm -> logical etc
• 2397[15:26:42] <babilen> lsblk?
• 2398[15:26:53] <Rockj> because I think I've managed to have 2 different setups at my desktop, which is kinda confusing. At least when I was planning to try to use directlvm for docker and I still want to keep stuff encrypted
• 2399[15:26:58] <tw> dmsetup ls --tree
• 2400[15:26:59] <Rockj> ohh, lsblk !
• 2401[15:27:21] <tw> lsblk is better though.
• 2402[15:27:24] <babilen> I'm still not entirely sure what you are after, but lsblk and the dmsetup output might shed some light
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• 2408[15:28:43] <Rockj> replaced-url
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• 2410[15:29:07] <Rockj> This way I should be able to make a logical volume and use that one for directlvm and still have everything encrypted.
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• 2418[15:33:22] <Rockj> Thanks btw for the reminder of lsblk and dmsetup ls --tree .
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• 2421[15:33:55] <tw> Not to belittle your sense of security, but what's your threat model where you need FDE and still use docker?
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• 2435[15:36:53] <Guest45279> Hello, I am installing in USB-Netinst, I want a safe ipv6 Gateway to continue the installation
• 2436[15:37:14] <Guest45279> Debian Jessie
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• 2440[15:38:19] <Guest45279> How do I find a ipv6 gateway for Debian Jessie?
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• 2510[16:11:32] <cronic> is python3-pip buggy? O.o
• 2511[16:11:34] <cronic> -bash: python3-pip: command not found
• 2512[16:11:45] <cronic> whereis python3-pip
• 2513[16:11:45] <cronic> python3-pip:
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• 2515[16:12:05] <cronic> python3-pip is already the newest version.
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• 2521[16:13:01] <babilen> cronic: The command is "pip3"
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• 2523[16:13:14] <cronic> babilen: would be nice, but pip3 is also not found...
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• 2526[16:14:03] <babilen> cronic: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy python3-pip", "ls -lah /usr/bin/pip3" and "dpkg -L python3-pip" to replaced-url
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• 2530[16:15:44] <Guest56190> hey guys, what is the package name for gnome touchpad setting application ?
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• 2534[16:16:19] <abrotman> it should just be in the normal control panel?
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• 2537[16:18:04] <teraflops> abrotman: yeah I think so
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• 2543[16:21:40] <Shadow_7> cronic: apt-listbugs list python3-pip
• 2544[16:21:41] <cronic> babilen: replaced-url
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• 2546[16:21:50] <Shadow_7> doesn't seem to be any bugreports on it
• 2547[16:22:06] <cronic> that shitty pip.. installed -> 1.1.3
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• 2552[16:22:51] <Guest56190> abrotman: i don't use gnome itself
• 2553[16:23:07] <cronic> maybe there is a failure in my install script..
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• 2556[16:23:18] <babilen> cronic: You are running wheezy, which is oldstable. If you had included the output of all the commands you would have seen that it is "/usr/bin/pip-3.2" rather than "/usr/bin/pip3" in that version
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• 2562[16:25:10] <babilen> Alternatively consider upgrading to the current stable release, jessie
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• 2564[16:26:18] <abrotman> Guest56190: then why would you need it?
• 2565[16:26:30] <cronic> babilen: i have to check a script against wheezy/jessie/sid.. but ill compile python3.4 from source.. should be working
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• 2567[16:26:48] <abrotman> Guest56190: there used to be a side program called gsynaptics, not sure it's still in Jessie
• 2568[16:27:05] <Guest56190> abrotman: to easily enable my touchpad tap
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• 2582[16:34:39] <jhutchins_wk> What's the story on all of the new extraneous stuff in fstab, the cgroup stuff?
• 2583[16:34:57] <jhutchins_wk> debugfs
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• 2601[16:42:30] <abrotman> Guest56190: gsynaptics maybe .. give it a try
• 2602[16:42:36] <Guest56190> thanks
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• 2609[16:45:44] <tw> is there a lockscreen equivalent to alternatives/x-session-manager?
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• 2614[16:47:23] <aexl> hi. is it possible to pack an installed application into a deb file?
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• 2622[16:49:55] <abrotman> aexl: you mean something you installed with configure/make/make install, after the install?
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• 2625[16:50:47] <aexl> thanks for your answer, abrotman. well is it different from something i installed from a deb package?
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• 2628[16:51:01] <abrotman> yes, because there's a program to repack a package
• 2629[16:51:25] <abrotman> judd: info dpkg-repack
• 2630[16:51:26] <judd> Package dpkg-repack (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: puts an unpacked .deb file back together. Version: 1.38; Size: 11.5k; Installed: 52k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2632[16:52:11] <aexl> nice. thank you very much!
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• 2667[17:08:50] <Walex> tw: session and screensaver/screenlock are usually different programs...
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• 2714[17:36:20] <pinaaq> Hey there folks!!
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• 2716[17:37:11] <pinaaq> I did an upgrade of my system and ended up at grub rescue shell
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• 2718[17:37:26] <pinaaq> Then corrected the error using live usb
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• 2720[17:37:37] <pinaaq> reinstalled the grub to sda
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• 2725[17:38:24] <pinaaq> but now all the ntfs partitions on my sda are read-only. I can't move anything to my partitions now
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• 2729[17:39:02] <pinaaq> I've tried some bits but I can't seem to get around the issue
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• 2731[17:39:47] <mtn> pinaaq: what format are you using for debian? ntfs?
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• 2733[17:40:01] <pinaaq> no. I'm using ext4
• 2734[17:40:24] <mtn> pinaaq: windows still on the box?
• 2735[17:40:46] <pinaaq> mtn: no.
• 2736[17:41:13] <pinaaq> removed windows. but I didn't format the partions to ext4
• 2737[17:41:17] <mtn> pinaaq: you might be able to fix the problem with ntfsfix -d /dev/sdaX
• 2738[17:41:39] <pinaaq> mtn: thanks sir. Lemme try.
• 2739[17:41:44] <jhutchins_wk> RW for NTFS is done through fuse and ntfs3g.
• 2740[17:41:47] <jhutchins_wk> !ntfs
• 2741[17:41:48] <dpkg> Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. replaced-url
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• 2752[17:44:23] <pinaaq> mtn: it reports that volume is corrupt. asks to run chkdsk.
• 2753[17:44:36] <pinaaq> chkdsk . command not found :(
• 2754[17:44:44] <mtn> pinaaq: windows command
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• 2758[17:46:15] <pinaaq> mtn: yeah. because i used ntfsfix.
• 2759[17:46:34] <stoned> I use the readonly ntfs kernel driver.
• 2760[17:46:38] <mtn> pinaaq: no, it was already corrupt. windows did that for you :(
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• 2762[17:47:19] <stoned> you need to run a windows env. and then run that utility "chkdsk.exe"
• 2763[17:47:30] <stoned> it is a windows program, not linux program
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• 2766[17:48:28] <jasonwc> stoned Did you get ZFS back up and running after upgrading to Stretch?
• 2767[17:48:36] <stoned> no, man
• 2768[17:48:40] <pinaaq> stoned: No sir. Those partitions worked perfectly fine until i did a grub-install
• 2769[17:49:13] <stoned> pinaaq: It may seem like that grub-install could have corrupted the nt file system data stuff.
• 2770[17:49:19] <stoned> but I mean it is unlikely.
• 2771[17:49:25] <jasonwc> stoned what happened?
• 2772[17:49:30] <stoned> If it were gonna do smething, it would nuke your patition/mbr stuff
• 2773[17:49:33] <stoned> not actual FS data.
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• 2775[17:49:37] <stoned> so grub didn't do this.
• 2776[17:49:38] <pinaaq> while installing the sustem, grub was installed to /dev/sda8 which broke the system after upgrade
• 2777[17:49:39] <mtn> more like impossible ;)
• 2778[17:49:46] <tw> Walex: I expect that, what I mean is is there an alternatives redirector that selects the global screensaver program, regardless of DE.
• 2779[17:49:46] <stoned> impossible yes
• 2780[17:49:48] <stoned> like a mission
• 2781[17:50:01] <stoned> jasonwc: well, i exported, I imported in any other OS, no dice.
• 2782[17:50:02] <pinaaq> hence i had to reinstall the grub to /dev/sda.
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• 2784[17:50:11] <tw> Or if I change the DE, I can call this program and it will always dispatch to the active screensaver program.
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• 2786[17:50:18] <pinaaq> after that my ntfs partitions are 'ro'
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• 2789[17:51:13] <mtn> pinaaq: did you read what the bot said about fuse an ntfs3g?
• 2790[17:51:14] <jasonwc> stoned The ZFS version must support the feature flags used on the pool. So it would have to be the same, or a newer version, unless you never upgraded your pool.
• 2791[17:51:29] <stoned> jasonwc: nohting shows up in import list. Data wasn't important, so I tried many things, such as -f, which added the disks to the pool again, labelclear, redefine partition type gpt, restart everything in a Open Indiana VM, use solaris's zfs to create a mirror, come back to linux, import, it works. but the partition structure that zol creates is totally diffrent from the partition structure solris creates
• 2792[17:51:35] <stoned> for zfs pools.
• 2793[17:52:01] <stoned> Right now, I can't use zfs anyway, in mirror anyway, b/c 1 disk has massive physical errors
• 2794[17:52:02] <pinaaq> stoned: yes. grub didn't do it. in fact data on the said partions are perfectly readable. It's just write is disable.
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• 2796[17:52:13] <pinaaq> mtn: I'm gonna try ntfs3g
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• 2798[17:52:40] <stoned> pinaaq: you need to reboot into windows, scan the disk so it's healthy file system using 'chkdsk.exe', shutdown clean, then come into debian and use ntfs-3g
• 2799[17:52:46] <stoned> otherwise it will not work and cause even more issues
• 2800[17:52:55] <stoned> I don't trust ntfs r/w in linux, no matter what anyone says.
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• 2802[17:53:04] <jasonwc> stoned Yeah, the ZFS pools on Linux are not importable in Solaris. It has a pool version of 5000.
• 2803[17:53:25] <stoned> jasonwc: and now, the pools created in OI can't be listd in zfs in debian
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• 2805[17:53:32] <stoned> It's so old the bpo versions. I guess?
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• 2807[17:54:17] <stoned> so if you can't take your pools across the world, you have the zfs on linux in debian (mabye upstream, zol port itself) that's no good?
• 2808[17:54:20] <stoned> I dunno.
• 2809[17:54:31] <jasonwc> stoned I asked a ZFS developer. You need to create the zpool with pool version 28. Otherwise, it's not going to work.
• 2810[17:55:17] <stoned> jasonwc: what if I create the pool in OI, latest version, I assume is 28 or higher, then I export, then I do import in linux, and nothing shows up.
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• 2815[17:56:36] <radw62> hello
• 2816[17:56:55] <stoned> jasonwc: also, zpool created in solaris, defines no parittions in the disk, the whole disk is used for zfs. zfs in debin backport will create 3 partitions, /dev/sde, sde1, sde9 or 8 or something.
• 2817[17:56:57] <jasonwc> stoned I'm asking him
• 2818[17:57:00] <radw62> if I clone disks with dd and src disk is larger than dst disk
• 2819[17:57:06] <stoned> I'm in #zfs too, where are you?
• 2820[17:57:16] <stoned> I'm als in #openindiana they have been ehlpingme since yesterday
• 2821[17:57:28] <radw62> but the data stored on src can fit on dst disk
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• 2823[17:57:54] <radw62> the cole operation with dd is correct, right ??
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• 2826[17:58:07] <tw> radw62: make a new filesystem, copy the files. You can't do what you are saying without corruption.
• 2827[17:58:22] <stoned> radw62: seems like it should copy as much as it can, then not, and if that's all the data, then mabye the fs will be corrupt and you can fix it? maybe the partition wlil be corrupt and mismatch on physical size info?
• 2828[17:58:36] <stoned> yes, corruption
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• 2830[17:58:44] <jasonwc> stoned He says you should ask in #zfsonlinux
• 2831[17:58:59] <stoned> I see.
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• 2833[17:59:17] <radw62> ok, thanks for clarify
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• 2838[18:00:44] <jhutchins_wk> NTFS RW has been working fine in Linux since at lest the early 00's. The problem is there are a few exceptions where MS has done weird variations on NTFS, and there's no way to know when you have one of those until it breaks.
• 2839[18:01:14] <stoned> jhutchins_wk: I only wanted to say I don't trust it for that reason, no that it doesn't work.
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• 2841[18:01:39] <stoned> it works, but can potentially cause problems and I don't trust things that cause problems (ntfs or 3g or whatever it maybe)
• 2842[18:02:24] <jhutchins_wk> Under certain conditions, Linux can cause the "dirty file system" flag to be set on an NTFS partition just by accessing it. ntfs-utils used to include an fsck module for ntfs, that's harder to find now.
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• 2845[18:03:23] <jhutchins_wk> stoned: If it works, it works. The problem is that if it doesn't, your first sign is a corrupted filesystem. Simple solution: always make a backup before accessing an NTFS partition for the first time.
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• 2848[18:04:16] <stoned> I just keep it read only. safe that way.
• 2849[18:04:19] <stoned> sorry less that way.
• 2850[18:04:34] <jhutchins_wk> stoned: afik there's no record of an NTFS system where it works fine for a while then suddenly doesn't.
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• 2853[18:06:41] <jhutchins_wk> ntfsfix is in ntfs-3g now, and can fix the "dirty" flag.
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• 2860[18:08:46] <stoned> well, in the days of sarge/etch it turned my ntfs drive into hpfs...
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• 2862[18:08:56] <stoned> Windows would show it has hpfs, linux as ntfs.
• 2863[18:09:08] <stoned> used to just be ntfs, formatted via windows upon initial install.
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• 2865[18:09:14] <stoned> since then, I have not trusted ntfs r/w
• 2866[18:09:18] <stoned> will never trust it.
• 2867[18:09:21] <stoned> also, lost the data.
• 2868[18:09:27] <stoned> windows won't mount hpfs.
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• 2870[18:09:38] <gebruiker> i am interested in xfs for desktop - i just want to try something else other than ext4. What advantages does xfs have over ext4?
• 2871[18:09:49] <stoned> I use xfs for / and /home
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• 2873[18:10:07] <stoned> disadvantage, fallocate wil create files wil holes in xfs. Other than that, I dunno.
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• 2875[18:10:22] <stoned> might wanna get a ups, so your fs doesn't get bad w/ power failures, if any
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• 2877[18:11:13] <gebruiker> hmm stoned so no advantages then? Why did you chose xfs for / and /home ?
• 2878[18:11:43] <stoned> well, ext4 now has extents that xfs used tob e known for
• 2879[18:11:59] <stoned> I dunno, compare both fs features, find out in a fun read :)
• 2880[18:12:13] <gebruiker> :D
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• 2883[18:12:32] <stoned> do you know delayed allocation and whether it's beneficial?
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• 2885[18:13:06] <gebruiker> I googled it but only found 2012 ish articles which i read but i didn't found a major reason why it has advantage over ext4. It was interesting that some posters aid that xfs is more robust and said that distro's kept using ext4 for convience sake
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• 2887[18:13:28] <stoned> direct i/o is nice.
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• 2889[18:14:18] <stoned> eh
• 2890[18:14:28] <gebruiker> resier4 also seems cool
• 2891[18:14:28] <stoned> none of these goofy articles on these goofy blogs have any real inf
• 2892[18:14:34] <stoned> just laoded w/ ads for marketning nonsense
• 2893[18:14:48] <stoned> just compare the oficial featurees and find out what a feature is if you don't know it.
• 2894[18:14:55] <stoned> things wil become clear.
• 2895[18:15:00] <gebruiker> so true - these blogs have a lot of fluff
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• 2897[18:16:14] <stoned> I think RHEL uses xfs by default.
• 2898[18:16:45] <stoned> Also, stoned uses xfs by default :D
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• 2900[18:16:54] <gebruiker> hehehe
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• 2906[18:17:26] <gebruiker> stoned do you work for rhel or SGI inc?
• 2907[18:17:37] <gebruiker> :)
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• 2909[18:17:49] <gebruiker> not that it would matter
• 2910[18:17:58] <gebruiker> just curious
• 2911[18:18:00] <stoned> No.
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• 2913[18:20:15] <gebruiker> Ubuntu: An ancient African word meaning "can't install Debian"
• 2914[18:20:17] <gebruiker> lolll!
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• 2928[18:29:07] <unborn> :D
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• 2932[18:29:45] * unborn still thinks that anyone who can install any linux can install debian.. sorry for offtopic
• 2933[18:29:52] <j4ckcom> how can i update debian?
• 2934[18:29:55] <j4ckcom> :)
• 2935[18:30:03] <gebruiker> hehehe
• 2936[18:30:12] <unborn> j4ckcom: su and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y
• 2937[18:30:16] <j4ckcom> 😅
• 2938[18:30:37] <unborn> or setup cronjob and forget it
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• 2941[18:30:52] <j4ckcom> unborn: strange. i think that i must input some statement to some file. but i can’t remember it. :(
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• 2943[18:31:09] <gebruiker> j4ckcom: i thought you where joking
• 2944[18:31:22] <DoberMann> unborn: replaced-url
• 2945[18:31:54] <unborn> j4ckcom: or just do what DoberMann suggested.. whatever is better for you ^^^^
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• 2948[18:32:15] <j4ckcom> vi /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 2950[18:34:19] <j4ckcom> how can i edit sources.list? unborn ?
• 2951[18:34:32] <jhutchins_wk> unborn: Unattended upgrades are not recommended for anyone but experienced users.
• 2952[18:34:54] <jhutchins_wk> j4ckcom: Why do you want to edit your sources list?
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• 2955[18:35:09] <unborn> j4ckcom: as su nano /etc/apt/sources.list
• 2956[18:35:10] <unborn> ?
• 2957[18:35:19] <unborn> or vi.. whatever is better for you
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• 2959[18:35:39] <j4ckcom> Ign replaced-url
• 2960[18:35:41] <j4ckcom> unborn:
• 2961[18:36:03] <unborn> jhutchins: thanks for hit, I know.. he was asking for it.
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• 2975[18:38:02] <unborn> j4ckcom: ah and after you edited your source.list file you should reload it with apt-get update then you should be able to install your added things. but you should really not need to do this, just keep your system stable and working.
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• 2982[18:38:34] <j4ckcom> i don’t need to update my debian? unborn ?
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• 2989[18:39:07] <unborn> j4ckcom: heh as I said, do su and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y
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• 2993[18:39:14] <unborn> you should be updated.
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• 2995[18:39:44] <j4ckcom> thanks unborn :)
• 2996[18:39:49] <j4ckcom> you are my hero
• 2997[18:39:50] <j4ckcom> :)
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• 3258[18:45:07] <rafalcpp> the mod to remotelly kill people pating unicode faces on irc is not yet deployed I see?
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• 3280[18:47:05] <stoned> ls /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3000DM001-1E6166_Z1F2VHNS I have this file. /dev/sde actually. dd if=/dev/zero | pv > of=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3000DM001-1E6166_Z1F2VHNS says: -bash: of=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3000DM001-1E6166_Z1F2VHNS: No such file or directory ... ?
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• 3291[18:50:22] <greycat> stoned: > filename not > of=filename
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• 3320[18:55:19] <stoned> oh doh.
• 3321[18:55:28] <stoned> man, thanks.
• 3322[18:55:48] <stoned> I did the same thign yesterday, tw has to correct me. thanks
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• 3324[18:56:29] <alioui_> hi all. how do i find which package provides a header file?
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• 3326[18:56:58] <greycat> Either apt-cache search --names-only foobar dev; or ask judd here for the file by name.
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• 3328[18:57:59] <greycat> judd, file ncurses.h
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• 3330[18:58:02] <judd> Search for ncurses.h in jessie/amd64: libncurses5-dev: usr/include/ncurses.h; libncursesw5-dev: usr/include/ncursesw/ncurses.h; latrace: etc/latrace.d/headers/ncurses.h
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• 3340[18:59:45] <alioui_> judd, file boost/functional/hash.hpp
• 3341[18:59:48] <judd> Search for boost/functional/hash.hpp in jessie/amd64: libboost1.55-dev: usr/include/boost/functional/hash.hpp
• 3342[19:00:14] <alioui_> thanks greycat
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• 3344[19:01:24] <ryan-c> Is there any reason debian-installer doesn't allow selection of UTC by default?
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• 3352[19:03:49] <Shadow_7> cause it's old and crusty and calls it GMT ? idk
• 3353[19:04:11] <Shadow_7> post install you can ... dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
• 3354[19:06:06] <jhutchins_wk> ryan-c: Seems like it does in Advanced.
• 3355[19:06:18] <ryan-c> advanced is not default
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• 3360[19:07:06] <Shadow_7> does the installer give tasksel like options? server / desktop / workstation?
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• 3365[19:07:45] <ryan-c> no
• 3366[19:07:50] <Shadow_7> I normally do min debootstrap install and bloat as needed.
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• 3368[19:08:13] <ryan-c> hmm, crap
• 3369[19:08:27] <ryan-c> it didn't detect the disk I'm trying to install to.
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• 3373[19:08:42] <Shadow_7> mvne?
• 3374[19:08:45] <ryan-c> USB
• 3375[19:09:08] <ryan-c> (this is an single board arm system)
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• 3377[19:09:23] <ryan-c> anyone know how to switch to a shell via serial console?
• 3378[19:10:25] <Shadow_7> maybe you have the wrong image. armhf is arm v.7. pi B is a v.6 board and need armel
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• 3380[19:11:15] <jhutchins_wk> ryan-c: What do you have other than a shell?
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• 3383[19:11:32] <ryan-c> It's debian installer, and no I don't have the wrong image.
• 3384[19:11:43] <ryan-c> it let me get to the shell from the menu
• 3385[19:11:53] <jhutchins_wk> ryan-c: Try Alt-F?
• 3386[19:11:55] <ryan-c> usb is detected in a different port
• 3387[19:12:10] <ryan-c> jhutchins_wk: nope :-(
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• 3432[19:29:43] <mernilio> Greetings!
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• 3435[19:32:13] <mernilio> I have a question about microcontrollers ... what is the smallest i as a hobbist can use? Or microprocessor?
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• 3438[19:32:33] <mernilio> In size on the pcb
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• 3442[19:33:28] <mernilio> It about my future and about an invention that will get me enormously rich! :-)
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• 3444[19:33:56] <trumpy_> no clue.
• 3445[19:34:11] <Shadow_7> raspberry pi zero W isn't that big. Omega's are smaller still. pocket chip
• 3446[19:34:13] <greycat> Try ##hardware maybe? This is not a thing #debian knows.
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• 3448[19:34:39] <mernilio> trumpy_: Thanks anyway ... and to the rest of you!
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• 3473[19:36:24] <mernilio> Im not a hardware guy like that .. but if you look at simple code .... its really simple.
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• 3483[19:38:03] <mernilio> You actually burn the program you make into the chip. Fantastic! :-)
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• 3486[19:39:05] <mernilio> Im an amateur, but its very cool!
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• 3489[19:40:33] <JestaBlunt> hi
• 3490[19:40:45] <mernilio> JestaBlunt: Hi there!
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• 3492[19:41:07] <mernilio> How can i assist you?
• 3493[19:41:25] <JestaBlunt> i have one quick question...if i view the processes with top most of them are gray, but some are white...
• 3494[19:41:37] <JestaBlunt> what are the white ones?
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• 3497[19:42:39] <greycat> JestaBlunt: if you mean regular white-on-black vs. bold WHITE-on-black, the bold ones are in state "R" (running)
• 3498[19:42:42] <mernilio> I suppose some of the processes you see in top doesnt belong to you. They are root processes
• 3499[19:43:45] <JestaBlunt> ah, i see...you're right, they have R in the stet
• 3500[19:43:47] <JestaBlunt> state
• 3501[19:43:48] <Shadow_7> The ones you perceive as white are actually BOLD. If no bold font is specified it'll smudge the pixels to the right 1px.
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• 3505[19:44:54] <JestaBlunt> ok, thank you, now i have some clues to google my way on ;)
• 3506[19:44:58] <mernilio> One can start .. say elm .. and you are the captain of that process .. thats a user process ... but you as a "user" cant take charge of a root process ... thats in charge of the operating system.
• 3507[19:45:12] <greycat> mernilio: your answer is simply wrong.
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• 3511[19:45:44] <JestaBlunt> exit
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• 3513[19:45:51] <JestaBlunt> hehe...i mean by
• 3514[19:45:54] <mernilio> graytron: of course not .. im a well knowned kernel developer!
• 3515[19:45:55] <JestaBlunt> bye
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• 3519[19:46:57] <BluesKaj> well knowned eh, odd never heard of that word :-)
• 3520[19:47:05] <mernilio> :-)
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• 3525[19:49:43] <mernilio> You know being a hardcore kernel dev .. its difficult to make everybody happy. I do this on my free time. I have a family...
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• 3527[19:50:13] <greycat> mernilio: You are not fooling anyone. Please just stop.
• 3528[19:50:32] * n4dir still wondering *how a user could take charge of a root process
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• 3537[19:53:52] <mernilio> n4dir: as root, you can use the "kill" keyword. Every program has a number. You can see it if you run ps. The command "kill -9 <process number> is the most obnoxious.
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• 3540[19:55:32] <mernilio> I use it all the time if a user process dont want to play with my work with my kernel.
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• 3542[19:55:46] <n4dir> the answer is good, only that i asked the wrong question
• 3543[19:55:56] <dob1> hi, some info about ssh and keys, if someone stole my private key (and know the passphrase/or there is no passphrase) he can connect to the server, how can i make the keys invalid?
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• 3545[19:56:18] <mernilio> n4dir: sure, go ahead and ask another question!
• 3546[19:56:40] <`Kevin> keyboard con-artist ^
• 3547[19:56:52] <n4dir> dob1: i would assume removing the key from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys does the job
• 3548[19:56:53] <beardyname> dob1, keys you have generated to login?
• 3549[19:57:02] <mernilio> Im here in debian to ansver the hard questions!
• 3550[19:57:07] <dob1> beardyname, yes
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• 3552[19:57:32] <mernilio> Qs that guys like greycat know nothing about.
• 3553[19:57:34] <dob1> n4dir, ok but the one who stole the key can have access to private/public key and an ssh connection to the server, he can't add them again =?
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• 3556[19:58:06] <n4dir> uh, once it is removed, he has no more access, hence can't add it anymore.
• 3557[19:58:14] <beardyname> ^
• 3558[19:58:15] <n4dir> might be i am too tired.
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• 3561[19:58:56] <beardyname> Nope
• 3562[19:59:09] <dob1> n4dir, i miss this point, he can't do the ssh-copy-id to copy again the public key?
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• 3564[19:59:37] <n4dir> how should he be able to do that? He has no access, once the key is removed
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• 3566[19:59:52] <mernilio> He pretend he is a oldtimer but in fact he is a crackpot with an ongoing alcoholism.
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• 3571[20:00:23] <n4dir> what would be the point of using ssh-key authentication, if anyone out there could run ssh-copy-id to copy ssh-keys to a server?
• 3572[20:00:29] <jolt> dob1: ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is used to verify the pub/priv key. if the key is not in authorized_keys, then he cannot login.
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• 3574[20:00:40] <dob1> n4dir, ok but he could have add some new keys, right? can i check this?
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• 3577[20:01:15] <jolt> dob1: They would need to use some other mechanism, like password.
• 3578[20:01:16] <n4dir> yes, but i am not sure how. sorry
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• 3580[20:01:33] <beardyname> if he can't access the system it's not possible to re-add the private key
• 3581[20:01:53] <jolt> dob1: remove the authorized_key file completely, then all authentication needs to be done with password
• 3582[20:01:56] <mernilio> n4dir: i dont care .. but why are you so sesstive about yuur data? Even i have stopped worrying.
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• 3584[20:02:08] <n4dir> *plonk*
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• 3588[20:02:22] <RFleming> Howdy!
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• 3590[20:02:42] <dob1> ok thanks for the info!
• 3591[20:02:47] <mernilio> sure.. you can protect your porn.
• 3592[20:03:24] <mernilio> with the highest grade of protectioon :-)
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• 3594[20:03:34] <n4dir> dob1: keep in mind i only shoot ideas. look at the keys you got yada_rsa.pub and compare them on the remote with the authorized_keys file.
• 3595[20:03:37] <RFleming> I know this is subjective, but what's a reliable GUI program for backing up and restoring files and settings?
• 3596[20:03:51] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: Why GUI?
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• 3598[20:04:06] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: because they're prettier. :)
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• 3600[20:04:21] * RFleming waits for rant
• 3601[20:04:28] * RFleming nods that TAR is better
• 3602[20:04:33] <RFleming> oh wait, that hasn't come up yet
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• 3605[20:05:03] <jhutchins_wk> I don't think I've ever seen a GUI wrapper for backup. I'm sure that there are some things in Gnome on various distros...
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• 3607[20:05:29] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: well there's deja-dup which is a gui wrapper for duplicity
• 3608[20:05:32] <RFleming> there's cronopete
• 3609[20:05:40] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: I would expect something like that to use the standard (console based) tools like rsync and tar and such.
• 3610[20:05:42] <RFleming> I'm sure there's a couple of others
• 3611[20:06:10] <jhutchins_wk> I use rdif.
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• 3613[20:06:26] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: I want the GUI for automation and simplicity.
• 3614[20:06:31] <jolt> RFleming: Déjà Dup looks nifty
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• 3616[20:06:47] <jhutchins_wk> CrashPlan probably has a GUI.
• 3617[20:07:03] <RFleming> I could use rsnapshot, or a simple tar.xz script... but I want the simplicity of backing up and restoring files
• 3618[20:07:11] <RFleming> ... not that I've ever needed to :D
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• 3621[20:08:09] <jolt> Crashplan definitely has a gui. Free when don't use their cloud storage. But eats a ton of RAM if you have lots of data
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• 3623[20:09:00] <RFleming> jolt: yeah, deja-dup looks nice
• 3624[20:09:27] <jolt> RFleming: Haven't used it though
• 3625[20:09:32] <RFleming> there were restore problems with it before, don't know if they've been fixed.
• 3626[20:09:37] <mernilio> Why are debian your choise of distro?
• 3627[20:09:44] <jhutchins_wk> That's the thing about GUI wrappers. GUI package installers tend to be very slow and memory intense (compared to the console tools).
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• 3629[20:10:19] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: very true... but these problems have to be solved if you want to make the desktop friendlier.
• 3630[20:10:24] <mernilio> Ian, in deb(ian) just killed him self some month ago.
• 3631[20:10:30] <RFleming> you can't just say 'learn the shell, and you'll be ok' to every one :)
• 3632[20:10:32] <jolt> mernilio: Awesome trackrecord of stability and lovely support. Also good with erratas and keeping track of things. Also very anal (in a good way) about licensing!
• 3633[20:10:53] <mernilio> jolt: Agreed!
• 3634[20:11:00] <RFleming> I'm in the process of switching from Ubuntu to Debian
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• 3638[20:11:38] <jhutchins_wk> Actually, making the desktop "friendlier" usually means more resources.
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• 3640[20:11:47] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: Sure you can.
• 3641[20:12:08] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: ha.
• 3642[20:12:14] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: If you have an admin who knows the system, you can have users who don't, but for self-administration, learn the shell.
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• 3644[20:12:42] <mernilio> jhutchins ... i think the kde desktop is more user friendlier!
• 3645[20:13:05] <mernilio> gnome is hopeless.
• 3646[20:13:08] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: the problem is, the shell most times is the only way. There should at least be two options.
• 3647[20:13:23] * RFleming just switched to GNOME... and disagrees
• 3648[20:13:24] <jhutchins_wk> I don't think linux should try to win least-common-denominator users.
• 3649[20:13:50] <`Kevin> mernilio: and both are bloated
• 3650[20:13:58] <RFleming> mernilio: thanks...
• 3651[20:14:04] <RFleming> ... you just started a DE war
• 3652[20:14:06] <mernilio> Kevin: I agree!
• 3653[20:14:08] <RFleming> ... hope you're proud.
• 3654[20:14:18] <`Kevin> RFleming: thats what he wants :)
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• 3658[20:15:02] * RFleming is waiting for someone to extol how XFCE4 is the best lightweight DE so he can point that it too is bloated
• 3659[20:15:09] <RFleming> and don't get started on MATE
• 3660[20:15:18] <RFleming> that's a steaming pile
• 3661[20:15:21] <`Kevin> fluxbox? :P
• 3662[20:15:25] <RFleming> openbox
• 3663[20:15:33] <RFleming> awesom, i3w
• 3664[20:15:43] <Shadow_7> cwm ... pixels are for noobs
• 3665[20:15:44] <RFleming> xsession? :)
• 3666[20:15:46] <mernilio> RFleming: .. i like xfce .. it is pretty good!
• 3667[20:15:57] <somiaj> It souldn't matter, one should use the de/wm that suits their needs/style.
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• 3669[20:16:05] <RFleming> mernilio: it is nice.
• 3670[20:16:45] <RFleming> been using XFCE as my desktop for the last 7 years
• 3671[20:16:48] <teraflops> feel free to continue this amazing and super interesting ^ DE/WM war at #debian-offtopic
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• 3674[20:17:09] <trumpy_> gnome de is the best
• 3675[20:17:11] <RFleming> Sorry for interrupting everyone with pressing Debian questions
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• 3677[20:17:32] <RFleming> teraflops: you're good at internet sarcasm.
• 3678[20:18:24] <mernilio> i must go now .. thanks for talking with you. :-)
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• 3690[20:24:33] <stoned> Well, I am deciding against zfs now.
• 3691[20:24:49] <ryan-c> why?
• 3692[20:24:52] <ryan-c> zfs is awesome
• 3693[20:24:53] <stoned> It's too unstable on linux it seems. Diff versions and can't import/export across debians and across various diff os
• 3694[20:25:04] <stoned> sure, but on linux not so awesome.
• 3695[20:25:09] <stoned> So many issues.
• 3696[20:25:14] <ryan-c> I've been running it for years without issues
• 3697[20:25:15] <stoned> Flags and versions and matching this and ma tching that
• 3698[20:25:22] <stoned> I did for 2 years, sure
• 3699[20:25:34] <stoned> Then tried to export in jessie, upgrade to stretch, import, nothing shows up
• 3700[20:25:35] <koollman> across diff os, it's a bit harder
• 3701[20:25:49] <stoned> 3-4 days in #debian, #zfa and #openindiana and just... tired now man.
• 3702[20:25:51] <stoned> Just tired.
• 3703[20:26:04] <stoned> That's WHY I stopped using linux... too many goofy issues that you don[ thave on windows or elsewhere
• 3704[20:26:13] <stoned> that' shwy I stoppd using testing/sid and went only to stable for years now
• 3705[20:26:19] <stoned> yeah, screw this nonsense
• 3706[20:26:29] <stoned> I'm stable, baby. Never gonna use anything else. too many problems.
• 3707[20:26:37] <stoned> I don' thave time to deal w/ that nonsense.
• 3708[20:26:40] <koollman> well, stretch is not stable. But nothing showing up is rather strange
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• 3710[20:27:09] <koollman> first guess would be a change of device naming scheme. but I don't know what stretch did recently
• 3711[20:27:12] <stoned> koollman: yeah, I figured, zfs version is same asin jesise backprots, but yeah, very strange.
• 3712[20:27:32] <stoned> I tried, freebsd, open indiana, linux (3 kinds) and 2 debians and 4 days of time wasted
• 3713[20:27:35] <koollman> stoned: does it show up from a debian jessie ? (like a live cd/usb)
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• 3720[20:28:01] <stoned> back in jessie, reistalled the os, and try to import, nothing.
• 3721[20:28:12] <stoned> it's as it it's gone. zdb label was thre, but I couldn't recover it
• 3722[20:28:15] <koollman> now that's even stranger
• 3723[20:28:16] <stoned> no matter what I did.
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• 3726[20:28:20] <stoned> I know
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• 3728[20:28:31] <stoned> and #zfsonlinux where this guy just invitd me to help me out thinks i'm mentla.
• 3729[20:28:37] <stoned> that Im' stupid and I dunno what I'm donig.
• 3730[20:28:39] <stoned> *sigh*
• 3731[20:28:52] <stoned> then they tried to teach me ho to upgrade from jessie to stretch. I laughed a bit.
• 3732[20:29:37] <stoned> Anyway, #zfs and #openindiana guys inaddition to 15 years of #deiban guys are awesome.
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• 3734[20:29:45] <stoned> I'm going to use mabye xfs for my 3TB now.
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• 3737[20:31:22] <somiaj> why not just use ext4?
• 3738[20:32:03] <`Kevin> nothing wrong with xfs imo :| pending the requirements
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• 3741[20:32:49] <somiaj> sure, but ext4 is a long standing well tested file system well supported by the linux kernel. It could be you are in a situation in which you would gain much difference from using other file systems.
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• 3745[20:33:43] <`Kevin> id argue xfs is well tested at this point as well, perhaps not to the extent of ext as a whole
• 3746[20:35:01] <somiaj> I just see lots of use of other file systems in many cases where they aren't needed. Nothing wrong with that, but I tend to stick with ext4 as I don't ever see people in here have issues with it.
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• 3748[20:35:21] <stoned> I'm just... I learned a great deal about zfs in two years and the past few days.
• 3749[20:35:22] <somiaj> I'm not saying other file systems don't have good testing, just many times they aren't really needed.
• 3750[20:35:25] <`Kevin> somiaj: that was my original thought when he decided to switch from zfs to xfs
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• 3752[20:35:40] <stoned> I'm just... irritable that my freaking 3TB is dying and I have only 1 left, and I can't use ZFS anymore :)
• 3753[20:35:41] <`Kevin> if you do not need the features of X then steer clear of it
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• 3758[20:36:21] <somiaj> well no file system is going to be able to deal with bad hardware, backups are needed for that. I like one onsight backup and one offsight backup
• 3759[20:36:27] <stoned> Why would I want to use ZFS? I have no use for it any longer. What happens if I deicde to switch OS, and the same thing happens?
• 3760[20:36:35] <stoned> I do not want to spend another 4 days trying to get to my data.
• 3761[20:36:39] <stoned> I'm happy w/o zfs now. Thanks.
• 3762[20:36:52] <Donquixote> Jo. I still can't play ANY media file with ANY media player, no matter if it's VLC, MPlayer, mvp or Dragon. Please help
• 3763[20:37:01] <stoned> somiaj: I use gitlab for backups :D
• 3764[20:37:13] <stoned> Donquixote: what happens?
• 3765[20:37:20] <stoned> We could use more information
• 3766[20:37:22] <somiaj> Donquixote: provide more info, maybe stick with one simple media, so even an mp3 isn't working?
• 3767[20:37:25] <Donquixote> The audio gets played, but the video screen is black
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• 3769[20:37:30] <stoned> oh
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• 3771[20:37:37] <teraflops> Donquixote: then be more specific about the issue
• 3772[20:37:39] <somiaj> Donquixote: what is the output of xvinfo at paste.debian.net please
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• 3774[20:37:42] <stoned> maybe you need to pick the correct video driver in the player?
• 3775[20:37:52] <somiaj> yea sounds like a video driver issue
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• 3777[20:38:07] <stoned> my mplayer works best on xv or opengl
• 3778[20:38:10] <stoned> sdl not so much
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• 3780[20:38:48] <Donquixote> replaced-url
• 3781[20:38:51] <stoned> `Kevin: what would you use? xfs or ext4?
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• 3783[20:39:25] <Donquixote> I never had an issue with (L)Ubuntu, or my debian installation from 2 years ago
• 3784[20:39:35] <Lowl3v3l> stoned: there's btrfs as well ;) ext4 is a solid choice thoug if you dont want the cooler new features
• 3785[20:39:42] <RFleming> `Kevin: does xfs support snapshots?
• 3786[20:39:46] <`Kevin> stoned: it depends on needs, if I wanted absolute recoverability id stick to ext4 otherwise I may lean towards xfs wrt performance
• 3787[20:39:59] <stoned> Hm.
• 3788[20:40:09] <Donquixote> I can play YouTube videos
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• 3790[20:40:25] <Donquixote> And local Videos with a Chrome addon
• 3791[20:40:41] <RFleming> Donquixote: maybe you're missing codecs
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• 3794[20:40:58] <Donquixote> I installed a lot of video codecs with synaptic the recent days
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• 3796[20:41:04] <`Kevin> stoned: ext4 is likely a little more reliable in regards to drive issues or power outages(fsck).. not that ive had any issues with xfs
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• 3800[20:41:29] <Donquixote> Which codecs would I need to install?
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• 3802[20:41:35] <RFleming> Donquixote: maybe so, but apparently not the right one :)
• 3803[20:41:42] <Donquixote> Yeah
• 3804[20:42:01] <Donquixote> I have synaptic prepared
• 3805[20:42:06] <RFleming> can you play in VLC
• 3806[20:42:16] <`Kevin> RFleming: no, you can issue a xfs_freeze and trigger something else thou if you have another mechanism such as LVM or R1 hotcopy etc
• 3807[20:42:27] <stoned> dude
• 3808[20:42:36] <stoned> I'm just gonna move it all to cloud, google and what not.
• 3809[20:42:37] <`Kevin> actually r1 only supports ext IIRC so ^
• 3810[20:42:42] <Donquixote> No, in no video player aside in chrome addon. Mplayer, VLC, Mvp, Dragon, every it plays only the audio with a black screen
• 3811[20:43:04] <`Kevin> RFleming: xfs is very bare
• 3812[20:43:05] <stoned> I want to never think about storage pools and anything of the sort. too much work I can just outsource to a company that does it best.
• 3813[20:43:14] <somiaj> Donquixote: can you share your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file, want to see what video drivers are loading.
• 3814[20:43:47] <Shadow_7> and then be limited by your 56k connection
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• 3820[20:44:46] <Shadow_7> Donquixote: still vp6f video codec?
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• 3822[20:45:05] <Donquixote> replaced-url
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• 3824[20:46:01] <Donquixote> Shadow_7: Nothing appears when I enter that in synaptic :x
• 3825[20:46:20] <Shadow_7> Donquixote: [ 468.808] (EE) intel(0): Detected a hung GPU, disabling acceleration.
• 3826[20:46:34] <Donquixote> Okay. How do I fix that?
• 3827[20:46:37] <Shadow_7> seems your i915 partied too much and is hung over
• 3828[20:47:04] <somiaj> Donquixote: look at the last two lines...oh that has been pointed out. You have some sort of hardware/driver issue, now check demsg for wanrings/messages from the i915 driver
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• 3830[20:47:29] <Shadow_7> Donquixote: probably missing packages. cairo, vaapi, intel-gpu-tools, and others
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• 3832[20:47:52] <Shadow_7> unless you have some bleeding edge version not supported by debian stable kernel
• 3833[20:48:20] <Shadow_7> Donquixote: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga
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• 3835[20:48:39] <Donquixote> demsg didn't do anything
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• 3837[20:48:59] <Donquixote> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) [8086:2a02] (rev 03)
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• 3839[20:49:49] <dooom> not demsg dmesg
• 3840[20:50:01] <Donquixote> intel-gpu-tools is indeed not installed
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• 3842[20:51:32] <Shadow_7> Donquixote: at leat you're not alone... replaced-url
• 3843[20:51:36] <RFleming> `Kevin: LVM causes more problems than necessary
• 3844[20:52:01] <`Kevin> RFleming: in most cases agreed
• 3845[20:52:05] <Donquixote> Installing this should fix everything, right?
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• 3847[20:52:50] <RFleming> When is ext5 coming out? :)
• 3848[20:52:51] <somiaj> Donquixote: this may or may not help, but there is a newer kernel and xserver-xorg-video-intel in jessie-backports. I'm unsure if the issue is hardware compadablity with the 3.16 kernel/drivers or not.
• 3849[20:53:07] <Shadow_7> dates back to 2012 or earlier, surely it might be better/fixed by now
• 3850[20:53:09] <somiaj> Donquixote: this is just one thing that isn't to hard to check by installing a backported kernel and maybe intel driver.
• 3851[20:53:14] <RFleming> should handle snapshots and encryption
• 3852[20:53:44] <Donquixote> The installation didn't do anything
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• 3854[20:54:18] <somiaj> Donquixote: instalation of what?
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• 3856[20:54:31] <Donquixote> intel-gpu-tools
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• 3858[20:55:01] <somiaj> Donquixote: try the backported kernel and then intel driver
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• 3860[20:55:09] <Shadow_7> Donquixote: mac book pro?
• 3861[20:55:25] <Donquixote> No, TOSHIBA L300
• 3862[20:55:28] <towo`> i would use the modesetting ddx instead of the intel-ddx
• 3863[20:55:34] <Donquixote> Which should be compatible with Linux-libre
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• 3865[20:55:47] <Donquixote> The result of dmesg is very long
• 3866[20:55:53] <Donquixote> More than the Terminal can handle
• 3867[20:56:35] <Donquixote> replaced-url
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• 3870[20:56:54] <somiaj> towo`: isn't the modsettting driver in jessie still fairly new, I thought that was suggested in stretch but not quite sure if it would help much in jessie.
• 3871[20:57:03] <Donquixote> somiaj: How do I install them?
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• 3874[20:57:27] <towo`> somiaj, it should work with the jessie driver too
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• 3876[20:57:36] <towo`> but a new kernel is nessesary
• 3877[20:57:43] <somiaj> !bpo kernel
• 3878[20:57:43] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 3880[20:57:50] <somiaj> Donquixote: ^^ those instructions seem doable?
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• 3882[20:58:14] <stoned> can debian boot from a gpt disk partition if the mbr lives on an MBR disk elsewhere?
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• 3884[20:58:16] <towo`> somiaj, the newer intel-ddx does not really like the old gma chipsets anymore
• 3885[20:58:41] <towo`> in this case, the old intel-ddx in jessie would be the better choice
• 3886[20:58:48] <Shadow_7> Donquixote: seems like a quirky one. nomodeset for the kernel parm in your bootloader. or i915.modeset=1 (or =0). # modinfo i915
• 3887[20:59:04] <somiaj> Donquixote: in that last paste, lines 776-783 is the issue are the errors.
• 3888[20:59:09] <towo`> from the dmesg, it's a problem with drm, so libdrm from bpo would even be a good advise
• 3889[20:59:19] <somiaj> towo`: so your suggestion would be use a backported kernel with the modesetting driver (not the intel one)?
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• 3895[20:59:44] <mernilio> It has been quite a debacle about Sweden and its imigration policy. Let me say it is not by far so serious like Fox News want it to sound like.
• 3896[20:59:47] <towo`> soj1st i would try the intel-ddx, but defenitively not the one from backports
• 3897[20:59:57] <greycat> mernilio: #debian-offtopic
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• 3899[21:00:26] <somiaj> Donquixote: anyways you have some issue with hardware vs drivers, there are some various suggestions floating around, I would first try a backported kernel only then after that look into either using the modesetting driver or disable modesetting.
• 3900[21:00:45] <towo`> somiaj, my suggesztion would also be kernel and libdrm from backports and intel-ddx from jessie
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• 3905[21:01:12] <Donquixote> Is my Account conntected?
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• 3907[21:01:16] <Donquixote> I lost my connection
• 3908[21:01:40] <c-c> likely so
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• 3910[21:01:58] <somiaj> Donquixote: anyways you have some issue with hardware vs drivers, there are some various suggestions floating around, I would first try a backported kernel only then after that look into either using the modesetting driver or disable modesetting.
• 3911[21:02:07] <jhutchins_wk> Donquixote: dmesg | less
• 3912[21:02:22] <jhutchins_wk> Donquixote: Gives you the output in a searchable pager.
• 3913[21:02:25] <somiaj> Donquixote: also towo` seems to be the one I would listen to on this issue.
• 3914[21:02:25] <Donquixote> That's a funny command
• 3915[21:02:35] <somiaj> Donquixote: it is because less is better than more
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• 3917[21:02:42] <Donquixote> It really is
• 3918[21:02:44] <mernilio> greycat: --> Is the real O'reilly ..
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• 3921[21:03:20] <Donquixote> Is installing a new kernel complicated?
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• 3923[21:03:24] <somiaj> mernilio: it is off topic here, if you aren't willing to take the conversation elsewhere, you will be silenced.
• 3924[21:03:27] <dooom> "less is more"
• 3925[21:03:27] <somiaj> Donquixote: not really
• 3926[21:03:35] <c-c> Donquixote: you can use dpkg
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• 3929[21:03:52] <Donquixote> Can I use synaptic?
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• 3932[21:04:01] <mernilio> This is America and i stand by it!
• 3933[21:04:08] <Donquixote> ahhhhhhhh
• 3934[21:04:10] <jhutchins_wk> !more
• 3935[21:04:10] <dpkg> 'more' is a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to less, but only allows forward navigation through the file (although newer implementations allow for limited backward movement). See also <less>.
• 3936[21:04:14] <jhutchins_wk> !less
• 3937[21:04:14] <dpkg> [less] a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to <more>, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files.
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• 3941[21:04:50] <towo`> I would urgently suggest updating libdrm from backports too, since dmesg is showing a drm issue
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• 3943[21:05:24] <c-c> !installkernel
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• 3945[21:05:48] <c-c> !kernelcompile
• 3946[21:06:04] <c-c> yeah well its not diff, but do your homework first
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• 3949[21:06:27] <Donquixote> I have a lot of homework now though
• 3950[21:06:30] <jhutchins_wk> c-c: You can /msg dpkg to find commands, you can do listkeys (in a private window), and you can search the database online (though I don't have the URL).
• 3951[21:06:36] <Donquixote> I appreciate your help
• 3952[21:06:48] <Donquixote> But I think I'll change the system
• 3953[21:06:49] <jhutchins_wk> !backports
• 3954[21:06:49] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 3957[21:06:59] <Donquixote> If these kinds of issues aren't uncommon
• 3958[21:07:03] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
• 3959[21:07:04] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-2)
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• 3964[21:07:52] <jhutchins_wk> Donquixote: Manufacturers usually don't ship hardware until they have stable windows drivers, but linux drivers often don't start development until the hardware is in the stores, so they lag.
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• 3968[21:08:16] <jhutchins_wk> Donquixote: On the other hand, therea re manufacturers that ship pre-release hardware to linux developers to get them started.
• 3969[21:08:46] <Donquixote> My hardware should be perfect though
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• 3971[21:08:58] <Donquixote> It is listed on H-Node with a-Platinum compatibility
• 3972[21:09:19] <Donquixote> It works flawlessly with Ubuntu and worked flawlessly with debian 2 years ago
• 3973[21:10:14] <jhutchins_wk> Donquixote: Probably works fine in debian now then, as long as it's properly tweaked.
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• 3976[21:10:48] <Donquixote> Which I sadly have not the time for
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• 3984[21:14:14] <Donquixote> How is it possible that I can play YouTube videos, but not local Video files?
• 3985[21:14:31] <matsasc> 1what browser are you using?
• 3986[21:14:47] <matsasc> some browser got the codecs built in
• 3987[21:15:25] <Donquixote> Both, Chrome and Firefox
• 3988[21:15:35] <Donquixote> A Chrome addon can play local media files
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• 3990[21:15:45] <Donquixote> The codecs are build in
• 3991[21:16:04] <Donquixote> So my entire problem comes from Linux' packaging system. Am I correct?
• 3992[21:16:22] <Donquixote> I downloaded an AppImage of VLC
• 3993[21:16:31] <Donquixote> When I play I file with it, it immediatly crashes
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• 4001[21:17:48] <c-c> Donquixote: start it from console and see the error message
• 4002[21:17:53] <somiaj> Donquixote: Have you tried a newer kernel yet? Did you not see those kernel/hardware errors that is your problem.
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• 4005[21:18:19] <towo`> [21:16:22] <Donquixote> I downloaded an AppImage of VLC <== that could be the whole problem
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• 4007[21:18:50] <Donquixote> It also doesn't work with the synaptic version of vlc
• 4008[21:18:52] <towo`> what's wrong with apt-get install vlc?
• 4009[21:19:07] <somiaj> synaptic should be the same version.
• 4010[21:19:10] <Donquixote> I only downloaded the AppImage after finding that debians media players don't work
• 4011[21:19:30] <c-c> "It also deosn't work" is not an error
• 4012[21:19:31] <towo`> "don't work" is saying zero
• 4013[21:19:34] <Donquixote> Synaptic VLC plays audio, but has black screen
• 4014[21:19:42] <Donquixote> AppImage VLC crashes
• 4015[21:19:48] <somiaj> but if installing third party software messes with libaries and the likes.
• 4016[21:19:49] <towo`> and you have problemswith your graphics
• 4017[21:20:01] <Donquixote> The issue was there before I got the AppImage
• 4018[21:20:04] <towo`> so 1st you should fix those problems
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• 4020[21:20:06] <somiaj> we have given you some sugestions, have you tried them?
• 4021[21:20:10] <Donquixote> I only got it because of the issues
• 4022[21:20:21] <c-c> Donquixote: start it from console and see the error message
• 4023[21:20:26] <Donquixote> All except getting a new kernel
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• 4026[21:21:29] <somiaj> Donquixote: you have a driver/hardware issue, so kernels/drivers are what needs to be messed with.
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• 4029[21:21:35] <BluesKaj> edo there's no such thing a synaptic vlc , sysnaptic gets the apps from the same repository as apt... synaptic is a front end gui for dpkg
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• 4031[21:21:43] <BluesKaj> Donquixote, ^
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• 4033[21:23:17] <Donquixote> c-c The error is very similar to what the xv command from before says. Ending with "Memory access error"
• 4034[21:23:45] <Donquixote> BluesKaj I know. I just wanted to distinct it from the AppImage
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• 4036[21:24:09] <c-c> Donquixote: google the error with "debian vlc"
• 4037[21:25:26] <Donquixote> I give up.
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• 4039[21:25:56] <Donquixote> Thanks for your time
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• 4042[21:26:45] <c-c> vague problem description --> vague help
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• 4048[21:27:51] <jhutchins_wk> For all we know it's a bad video file.
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• 4050[21:28:08] <Donquixote> "Google 'debian vlc'" isn't exactly detailed either :V
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• 4052[21:28:22] <Donquixote> It is not. The problems applies to every file
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• 4055[21:29:15] <c-c> Donquixote: pastebin/gist your error or it didn't happen
• 4056[21:29:20] <Donquixote> I learned that a possible solution might be a new kernel, which I see as more troubling than installing a new system
• 4057[21:29:24] <somiaj> Donquixote: focus on the hardware errors alreayd posted.
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• 4061[21:30:02] <somiaj> c-c: the kernel/i915/drm is crashing on his system. They have already been suggested to try a newer kernel, or other hardware related suggestions.
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• 4063[21:30:13] <c-c> ok
• 4064[21:30:27] <c-c> lol @ drm
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• 4067[21:30:52] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 4083[21:36:23] <c-c> you probably went over this but this is with intel firmwares?
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• 4086[21:37:59] <c-c> wonder also if really intel 915 or maybe nvidia
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• 4088[21:38:10] <jhutchins_wk> Donquixote: Installing a new kernel is trivial.
• 4089[21:38:29] <Donquixote> I realized that already.
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• 4092[21:39:26] <jhutchins_wk> Donquixote: If you already have the latest from the release, /msg dpkg backports and follow the instructions on the web site to set them up, then apt install -t jessie-backports linux-image
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• 4094[21:41:00] <Donquixote> For now I'll just stick with the chrome App
• 4095[21:41:21] <Donquixote> Then I'll change the system in a few days
• 4096[21:41:56] <somiaj> in the time you have been discussing this you could have already tried out a new kernel and a few other things
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• 4106[21:47:17] <jhutchins_wk> You could also try mpv.
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• 4114[21:49:17] <Piraty> simple dd command doesn't make a bootable usb stick for me, what am i missing? (other distro's live mediums work fine on the same machine)
• 4115[21:49:24] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: they said mplayer and mpv didn't work, which doens't surprise me since it is a video driver problem.
• 4116[21:49:30] <Piraty> using debian 8.7 xfce-live
• 4117[21:49:36] <somiaj> Piraty: give us the exact command you typed.
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• 4119[21:49:52] <Piraty> sudo dd bs=4M if=debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdc status=progress ; sync
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• 4123[21:51:05] <somiaj> Piraty: that should work just fine, does your system support or is configured to do legacy boot?
• 4124[21:51:21] <somiaj> Piraty: if intsalling debian you shouldn't use the live images, and the live images only do legacy boot, not uefi.
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• 4126[21:51:47] <Piraty> somiaj: legacy is enabled.
• 4127[21:51:56] <jhutchins_wk> Piraty: check the md5sum of the file.
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• 4143[21:55:17] <Piraty> but that is the idea of the live system. i want to check if the errors i have with other distros do persist
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• 4145[21:55:23] <Piraty> namely hardware issue with amdgpu
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• 4147[21:57:27] <jhutchins_wk> Piraty: check the md5sum of the iso file.
• 4148[21:57:37] <dannyLopez> Any can help whit a program inside Debian?
• 4149[21:57:59] <jhutchins_wk> Piraty: The graphics should not be affected if you boot in CMOS mode vs. EFI.
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• 4151[21:58:25] <Piraty> checksum is ok
• 4152[21:58:27] <jhutchins_wk> dannyLopez: Only if you tell us clearly what the problem is.
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• 4154[21:58:55] <Piraty> jhutchins_wk: it may be affected due to firmware issues i found regarding same errors
• 4155[21:59:05] <jhutchins_wk> Piraty: Well, that's one thing eliminated. Can you boot to the stick on another system?
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• 4158[21:59:39] <dannyLopez> The thing is I have a Nextcloud server, and I install Owncloud client to connect, in all Ubuntu system works fine, but in my Debian system dont connect, say "The credential is bad"
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• 4161[22:00:02] <Piraty> jhutchins_wk: have nothing else to try sorry. other distros work right away, dd is the same command
• 4162[22:00:24] <Piraty> jhutchins_wk: despite the machine im sitting on now, but that is impossible to shutdown right now
• 4163[22:00:57] <a___> I installed debian on two hard drives. I swap the drives physically. On one drive, I can select 'debian' in the BIOS settings and it will boot. In the other, 'debian' is not a choice and debian fails to boot. Why?
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• 4167[22:01:37] <a___> (i.e. I select 'debian' in the BIOS settings boot menu)
• 4168[22:01:41] <mtn> a___: because grub is not installed on that drive
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• 4175[22:02:26] <a___> mtn: it is installed. After I installed debian on the drive, it worked. When I switched to the other hard drive then switched back, it no longer worked. But I can still boot debian on other hard drive. It's strange...
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• 4178[22:02:59] <mtn> a___: I will bet grub is only installed on the drive that works and that drive usually boots first
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• 4184[22:05:15] <a___> mtn: what I mean is I installed debian on one of the drives and it booted using GRUB. when I switch drives then switch back it no longer boots. It just says 'insert media'. If I go in BIOS and change the order to select the hard drive it still doesn't work. On the drive that DOES work, 'debian' appears in the BIOS boot menu (I mean the BIOS menu, NOT the grub menu). I don't understand - I don't see how 'debian' can appear in the BIOS, I t
• 4185[22:05:15] <a___> hought that would only appear in the GRUB menu...
• 4186[22:05:51] <a___> and grub IS installed on both drives - when the first one worked, it loaded the GRUB menu straight away
• 4187[22:06:03] <mtn> a___: grub is installed on a hard drive, so if that drive is being booted, it shows grub. if that drive is not being booted, no grub
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• 4189[22:06:29] <mtn> a___: ok. if it is installed on both, I have no idea
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• 4191[22:07:07] <a___> ok, yep the GRUB menu appeared on the first one, but when I switched drives then switched back, it didn't boot anymore. confusing..
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• 4193[22:07:46] <a___> anyone?
• 4194[22:08:48] <jhutchins_wk> a___: When you switch the order in which the BIOS sees the drives, you are probably changing the effective name of each drive (sda, sdb). You might be able to fix it by changing all drive references to UUIDs.
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• 4196[22:09:56] <a___> ok. how do I do that?
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• 4199[22:10:31] <ompaul> 1uuid
• 4200[22:10:34] <ompaul> !uuid
• 4201[22:10:35] <dpkg> A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with 'blkid'. In /etc/fstab, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. UUIDs help to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
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• 4205[22:12:44] <a___> Ok. Does that mean GRUB is set to boot a particular drive name (sda, sdb), and by changing the bios boot order I changed those names, so GRUB fails to load the drive. Is that right?
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• 4209[22:14:02] <icez> a___: no, but uuid's are better
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• 4213[22:15:00] <jhutchins_wk> a___: That's my guess about what may be happening.
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• 4218[22:15:28] <jhutchins_wk> a___: There's no standard way for a BIOS to change boot drives.
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• 4222[22:16:33] <a___> jhutchins_wk: ok, thanks for your help.
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• 4224[22:18:07] <jhutchins_wk> a___: Hope it helps.
• 4225[22:18:19] <Shadow_7> except by removing all drives except the one you wish to boot
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• 4229[22:19:02] <a___> Shadow_7: I am unplugging one drive and plugging in another. So only one drive is used at a time.
• 4230[22:19:23] <mtn> which is why I said grub was missing
• 4231[22:19:23] <Shadow_7> although lots of boards have soldered on drives these days
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• 4238[22:21:58] <c-c> I wish people would only buy laptops with socketed cpu's
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• 4240[22:22:12] <c-c> that would be awesome
• 4241[22:22:24] <c-c> upgrade that lapper 4 years later
• 4242[22:22:41] <c-c> but alas, dumb consumer horde
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• 4244[22:22:54] <seglaf> First time installing Debian on a remote virtual host, getting a failed installation: "The failing step is: Install the system"
• 4245[22:22:57] <a___> why does 'debian' appear as an option in the BIOS for one of the drives? I thought it would just show generic hard drive, CD drive, etc
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• 4248[22:23:03] <seglaf> What would be the best way to troubleshoot this?
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• 4250[22:23:17] <c-c> seglaf: so that appears, when
• 4251[22:23:25] <seglaf> Installing from the iso
• 4252[22:23:35] <c-c> and, that appears, when?
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• 4255[22:23:50] * c-c feels a little dumb already
• 4256[22:23:53] <mtn> a___: silly question: where did you install grub on the non-booting drive?
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• 4258[22:24:30] <a___> mtn: don't know, just did a standard debian install from DVD 1, it installed grub automatically
• 4259[22:24:40] <a___> mtn: first time installing debian
• 4260[22:24:45] <c-c> a___: perhaps the volume label or identifier is now 'debian' for some reason
• 4261[22:24:47] <mtn> a___: is your machine legacy or efi boot?
• 4262[22:25:07] <a___> mtn: hold on..
• 4263[22:25:30] <seglaf> c-c: after the partitioning of the harddrive and during the "Install the System" phase
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• 4265[22:26:16] <a___> mtn: ASRock H81M-HDS
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• 4269[22:26:38] <mtn> a___: oh, but is it set for legacy or efi boot in the setup?
• 4270[22:26:38] <c-c> seglaf is there anything in /var/log of the target partition?
• 4271[22:27:11] <a___> mtn: I'll check and return, hold on
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• 4274[22:27:56] <seglaf> c-c: I don't think there is even a /var/log yet as nothing has ever been installed on this server
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• 4276[22:28:14] <c-c> seglaf: know, or think? I only care about the former
• 4277[22:28:17] <seglaf> c-c: its being virtually hosted on the server, forgot to mention
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• 4280[22:28:29] <seglaf> c-c: sure thing one sec
• 4281[22:28:50] <seglaf> c-c: know
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• 4286[22:29:24] <c-c> seglaf: ok, so did you check the install image checksums before install?
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• 4290[22:29:54] <seglaf> c-c: no I did not
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• 4293[22:30:13] <c-c> do that - ensure not corrupt install image, or just re-download
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• 4305[22:34:16] <a___> mtn: couldn't find anything about efi/legacy, but it mentions uefi a few times. what is the significance?
• 4306[22:34:30] <jhutchins_wk> !uefi
• 4307[22:34:31] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
• 4308[22:34:52] <mtn> a___: if you are doing a efi boot, then you have to have an efi partition on the drive. is there one on the non-booting drive?
• 4309[22:34:58] <jhutchins_wk> EFI is an earlier version/designation, it's close enough to the same.
• 4310[22:35:23] <mtn> a___: if no efi partition, no grub :)
• 4311[22:35:34] <a___> mtn: Ok. I will have to check. That may be the problem then. Thanks for the help :)
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• 4313[22:35:39] <jhutchins_wk> a___: People often just use efi for uefi, shorter.
• 4314[22:35:48] <a___> ok
• 4315[22:36:13] <mtn> jhutchins_wk: some of us don't know any better :P
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• 4317[22:36:44] <jhutchins_wk> iirc macs and ibm mainframes use actual efi.
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• 4319[22:37:20] <a___> mtn: assuming efi partition is missing on the non-booting device, can I just disable efi boot in the BIOS?
• 4320[22:37:42] <jhutchins_wk> a___: That would be one way to solve it, if that's the problem.
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• 4322[22:38:04] <a___> ok, thanks
• 4323[22:38:08] <jhutchins_wk> a___: I don't know that the drives would have a fallback bootloader though. YOu might need to install non-efi grub.
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• 4327[22:40:04] <jhutchins_wk> If it's an EFI system, a boot record for debian would get written to the efi partition. I have the option to use either the Windows bootloader or the Debian bootloader (which doesn't work for graphics reasons).
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• 4331[22:40:20] <jhutchins_wk> That's a project for this weekend
• 4332[22:40:45] <RFleming> Can the efi boot manager handle multiple bootable devices?
• 4333[22:41:09] <RFleming> or do you still need something else to dual-boot?
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• 4335[22:41:39] <RFleming> say Disk A has an EFI boot partition for Windows, and Disk B has an EFI partition for Linux
• 4336[22:41:54] <RFleming> can the boot manager boot either-or, or does it do funky things?
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• 4338[22:43:13] <RFleming> or is that only needed when it's the same disk, but different partitions?
• 4339[22:43:38] <mtn> RFleming: one efi partition can handle dual boot. efi on each drive will still work if you use the boot menu, not the grub menu
• 4340[22:44:10] <RFleming> the 'select your boot device' menu? F9 or F12
• 4341[22:44:22] <RFleming> My HP uses F9, my Lenovo's F12
• 4342[22:44:34] <mtn> RFleming: yes, that one
• 4343[22:44:58] <RFleming> I thought I'd ask, because I installed Debian on my HP, and debian-installer warned me about multiple EFI boot records
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• 4345[22:45:07] <RFleming> suggested using a non-efi one.
• 4346[22:45:19] <jhutchins_wk> Mine's an HP, not sure all of the ways to get to that menu.
• 4347[22:45:28] <RFleming> ... but then again, I also had all other disks unplugged
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• 4349[22:47:38] <RFleming> When stretch is released... is GNOME 3.22 going to end up in jessie-backports?
• 4350[22:47:47] <RFleming> or is Jessie doomed to 3.14 for eternity?
• 4351[22:47:59] <missmbob> no. de's dont go in backports
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• 4353[22:48:09] <greycat> When stretch is released, people who use GNOME and other fancy-schmancy desktops are going to upgrade.
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• 4356[22:48:51] * RFleming is new to the Debian way... go easy.
• 4357[22:48:56] <RFleming> I'm an Ubuntu convert.
• 4358[22:48:58] <greycat> It's reasonable and common for servers to lag behind, but desktop environment users should generally upgrade as releases occur.
• 4359[22:49:14] <RFleming> makes sense.
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• 4361[22:49:24] <RFleming> I didn't fully think out that question :|
• 4362[22:49:52] <RFleming> I am assuming that testing is frozen right now?
• 4363[22:50:07] <RFleming> that testing and stretch are the same thing (at the moment)
• 4364[22:50:23] <missmbob> yes
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• 4366[22:50:33] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: Gnome is complex, LOTS of packages and programs. Backporting all of it would be an extreme exercise, and really, just wait for the next release. You want everything to work together.
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• 4368[22:50:46] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: Something like LXDE might be possible.
• 4369[22:50:54] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: I'm using stretch RC2 right now
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• 4371[22:51:19] <RFleming> it's pretty rock solid
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• 4373[22:51:55] <RFleming> is stretch releasing before or after GNOME 3.24 ... and is it going to use 3.22 or 3.24?
• 4374[22:51:56] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: Except where it isn't. The freeze is where they fix the stuff that's really big and broken and needs time to fix properly.
• 4375[22:52:09] <jhutchins_wk> ,v gnome3
• 4376[22:52:10] <judd> No package named 'gnome3' was found in amd64.
• 4377[22:52:13] <jhutchins_wk> ,v gnome
• 4378[22:52:14] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.20+3; sid: 1:3.22+1
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• 4381[22:52:48] <RFleming> that's not quite true
• 4382[22:52:53] <RFleming> stretch is using 3.22
• 4383[22:52:54] <jhutchins_wk> That would argue that it was frozen at 20.
• 4384[22:53:02] <RFleming> the RC2 is using 3.22
• 4385[22:53:19] <missmbob> no it's not. there isn't even an "rc2" release. rc2 is for the installer only
• 4386[22:53:31] <jhutchins_wk> RFleming: THe fact that 24 isn't in sid says it won't be 24.
• 4387[22:53:46] <jrtc27> ,v gnome-shell
• 4388[22:53:47] <judd> Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.3-1; sid: 3.22.3-2
• 4389[22:53:55] <RFleming> jhutchins_wk: yeah, Gnome 3.24 releases March 22.
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• 4395[22:55:57] <RFleming> missmbob: I apologise then if I don't know what I'm talking about. I used the stretch-rc2-netinst iso file, installed GNOME and it gave me 3.22.2
• 4396[22:56:26] <mtn> RFleming: they just showed you that gnome-shell is 3.22
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• 4398[22:56:35] <missmbob> RFleming: you're right it just has nothing to do with rc2
• 4399[22:56:42] <greycat> Looks like the package versions in stretch are not consistent at the moment.
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• 4402[22:57:32] <RFleming> So GNOME Details shows me the version of GNOME Shell?
• 4403[22:57:38] <mtn> RFleming: yes
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• 4406[22:57:57] <RFleming> too many version numbers to keep track of
• 4407[22:57:58] <RFleming> yeesh
• 4408[22:58:08] <mtn> fun!
• 4409[22:58:11] <jrtc27> the "gnome" package itself is just a meta-package to pull in the various packages
• 4410[22:58:18] <jrtc27> it doesn't really matter what version it is
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• 4414[22:59:18] <RFleming> I guess :)
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• 4416[22:59:57] <RFleming> I'm new to GNOME 3 as well... didn't like it way back and used XFCE... but as I've grown older (and my hardware less sucky), it suits my workflow.
• 4417[23:00:09] <RFleming> and I seem to like those content decorations
• 4418[23:01:36] <jrtc27> you may want to check out gnome-tweak-tool as well
• 4419[23:01:42] <RFleming> am familiar with it
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• 4421[23:01:48] <RFleming> ... very :)
• 4422[23:01:56] <jrtc27> good
• 4423[23:02:00] <RFleming> Cantrell fonts and I don't get along well
• 4424[23:02:01] <jrtc27> :)
• 4425[23:02:09] <RFleming> Cantrall?
• 4426[23:02:11] <RFleming> meh
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• 4428[23:03:04] <coreutil> hello, I have stretch installed..the kvm install command in debian wiki returns obsolete package error. should I install the replacements?
• 4429[23:03:16] <RFleming> jrtc27: is there another place to set default applications for extensions?
• 4430[23:04:02] <RFleming> for instance, I want .deb packages to open in gdebi since the Software Center won't open them
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• 4434[23:04:40] <jrtc27> I have no idea, my DE is a glorified terminal multiplexor...
• 4435[23:05:39] <RFleming> jrtc27: like tmux?
• 4436[23:05:58] <missmbob> in xfce it's right-click on click on file then open with->open with other application
• 4437[23:06:22] <RFleming> yeah... that's what I'm used to
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• 4441[23:06:55] <RFleming> I think I found it in GNOME... Right-click -> Properties, choose the Open With tab, select and set as default
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• 4444[23:07:37] <RFleming> a bit round-about... but not something I'll be doing a whole lot of.
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• 4449[23:09:11] <missmbob> i still think it's annoying that you cant do gdebi foo*.deb
• 4450[23:09:27] <jrtc27> reportbug gdebi then?
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• 4452[23:09:42] <missmbob> pretty sure it's intentional
• 4453[23:10:05] <jrtc27> SYNOPSIS
• 4454[23:10:05] <jrtc27> gdebi [package.deb]...
• 4455[23:10:08] <jrtc27> it should work....?
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• 4457[23:10:13] <missmbob> single package
• 4458[23:10:31] <jrtc27> then there shouldn't be the "..." in the manpage
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• 4460[23:10:45] <RFleming> I just wish they'd fix APT to not recurse when selecting --install-suggests
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• 4462[23:11:05] <RFleming> ... or at least make an option to recurse only 1 level.
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• 4538[23:43:11] <stoned> I'm going commando in my disks !
• 4539[23:43:20] <stoned> oops wrong window.
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• 4544[23:43:49] <a___> Back again. So one drive did boot and 'debian' was listed in BIOS. The other didn't and 'debian' wasn't listed. I reinstalled debian on the bad one. Now 'debian' appears in BIOS for that drive, but it's disappeared on the other drive (and therefore I cannot boot it). Why?
• 4545[23:45:14] <awal1> debian listed in bios?
• 4546[23:45:50] <a___> note: I installed with a UEFI partition. I also checked and there seemed to be a UEFI partition already before install. So the problem is I can only boot one UEFI drive, not two (at least when I physically plug in only one at a time)
• 4547[23:46:16] <a___> and only the drive that I last installed debian on
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• 4549[23:46:59] <Pepe> Hello guys
• 4550[23:47:12] <Pepe> What can I do with replaced-url
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