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          0 [00:00:07] <AlexPortable> n-st: no, it always happens during
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          27 [00:09:23] <peixoto> hello there  
         
        
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          33 [00:10:38] <peixoto> tell me, i saved a txt file with my list
            of softwares installed with a command, in order to use another
            command to install automatically these programs on my new fresh
            install, but i don't remember the command and where to find it.
            can you help me with this? thank you.
           
         
        
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          35 [00:11:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> dpkg, selections
           
         
        
          36 [00:12:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> I forget how to use the bot.
           
         
        
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          41 [00:13:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> peixoto, see the "Restore
            installed software" section here:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          45 [00:14:59] <peixoto> ok, thanks Eduard_Munteanu
           
         
        
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          49 [00:15:17] <AlexPortable> Would you recommend /bin/false or
            /usr/sbin/nologin ?
           
         
        
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          70 [00:23:32] <Antares> Debian have in repositoris Ubuntu Studio
            ?
           
         
        
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          79 [00:27:45] <ksk> Antares: did you search the repositories?
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          81 [00:28:22] <ksk> (the anwser seems to be no)
           
         
        
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          99 [00:32:57] <oluap> test  
         
        
          100 [00:33:14] <oluap> someone there?  
         
        
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          159 [01:05:31] <foul_owl> Does anyone here use rhythmbox?
           
         
        
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          176 [01:13:11] <nine_milli> hey, i just got a new usb backup hard
            drive sdb
           
         
        
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          178 [01:13:21] <nine_milli> can someone list the steps to format
            and mount it?
           
         
        
          179 [01:13:29] <nine_milli> it’s been quite a while
           
         
        
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          194 [01:18:35] <nine_milli> nvm got it  
         
        
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          206 [01:27:12] <AlexPortable> Would you recommend /bin/false or
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          220 [01:34:32] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, hi, you worked with me
            one week ago trying to stop my RTL8821AE wifi from disconnecting. i
            was busy because of school work. i'm ready to start
            troubleshooting now. i currently have debian 9 RC4 installed with
            minimal modifications to the system.
           
         
        
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          236 [01:38:45] <larvallid> can anyone else help me with wifi?
            after a while of being connected to wifi network, realtek RTL8821AE
            connection indicator reads "connected" but i cannot send
            any data.
           
         
        
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          239 [01:39:01] <glick> hi, how can i install the debian info
            files?
           
         
        
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          241 [01:39:06] <AlexPortable> glick: info files?
           
         
        
          242 [01:39:14] <glick> do i really need to activeate the non free
            repo?
           
         
        
          243 [01:39:18] <AlexPortable> larvallid: I don't know the
            details but are you sure your AP isn't broken?
           
         
        
          244 [01:39:18] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, what DE?
           
         
        
          245 [01:39:22] <glick> yeah AlexPortable  
         
        
          246 [01:39:44] <AlexPortable> glick: what are info files
           
         
        
          247 [01:40:10] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, GNOME, which comes with
            debian 8 and 9. with the network-manager component.
           
         
        
          248 [01:40:25] <Atm0spher1c> did you install firmware-realtek?
           
         
        
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          251 [01:41:22] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, also as AlexPortable
            said, are you sure your AP isn't broken. Other devices stay
            connected?
           
         
        
          252 [01:41:46] <larvallid> AlexPortable, by AP, do you mean the
            realtek wifi card? if so, the same problem has occurred on windows.
            but unlike linux, i can simply turn airplane mode on, then off, and
            wifi will work again. eventually the problem was solved, probably by
            an update. if by AP you mean router, no other devices connected to
            same router have a problem.
           
         
        
          253 [01:41:47] <Atm0spher1c> glick, are you talking about info
            package? apt install info
           
         
        
          254 [01:42:07] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, access point, wifi router
           
         
        
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          258 [01:42:51] <AlexPortable> Airplane mode on and off in windows
            will most likely switch the adapter on and off (to save battery)
           
         
        
          259 [01:42:56] <larvallid> AlexPortable, Atm0spher1c, in fact,
            the same problem occurs at my school. the disconnects occur on
            networks that use personal, enterprise, none (open) security.
           
         
        
          260 [01:42:59] <AlexPortable> In linux there is no such thing
           
         
        
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          262 [01:43:16] <larvallid> AlexPortable, so the adapter just
            stays on all the time?
           
         
        
          263 [01:43:23] <AlexPortable> I think yes
           
         
        
          264 [01:43:56] <larvallid> AlexPortable, and it might help to
            mention: on windows, when the disconnect occurs, some applications
            like google chrome will stop responding until airplane mode is
            turned on.
           
         
        
          265 [01:44:04] <AlexPortable> So the problem is there only with
            WPA2, and only there on a network without authentication?
           
         
        
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          271 [01:45:14] <larvallid> AlexPortable, no, the problem exists
            with every type of encryption, including on an open network.
           
         
        
          272 [01:45:21] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, you can still turn off
            the wifi aka airplane mode
           
         
        
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          274 [01:45:47] <AlexPortable> Atm0spher1c: I think that's
            just rfkill, and not actually disconnecting the adapter (which i
            suspect windows does)
           
         
        
          275 [01:45:49] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, maybe the wifi card is
            bad?
           
         
        
          276 [01:45:58] <Atm0spher1c> if the problem happens in windows as
            well
           
         
        
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          278 [01:46:15] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, is a failing wifi card a
            common thing? is there a way to test it?
           
         
        
          279 [01:46:24] <Atm0spher1c> AlexPortable, is rfkill different
            than - ifdown wlan0?
           
         
        
          280 [01:46:31] <Atm0spher1c> or ip link set wlan0 down
           
         
        
          281 [01:46:35] <AlexPortable> yes  
         
        
          282 [01:46:35] <larvallid> AlexPortable, do you know how i can
            disconnect the adapter, as you said, on linux?
           
         
        
          283 [01:47:22] <Atm0spher1c> it sounds like it might be failing.
           
         
        
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          285 [01:47:26] <AlexPortable>
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          286 [01:47:49] <Atm0spher1c> although i had a machine once that i
            thought had a failed wifi card ( using windows )
           
         
        
          287 [01:47:52] <AlexPortable> Atm0spher1c: also you can't
            enable an interface once it's being blocked by rfkill
           
         
        
          288 [01:48:04] <Atm0spher1c> years later i booted with debian and
            the card worked fine
           
         
        
          289 [01:48:27] <Atm0spher1c> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
           
         
        
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          294 [01:51:38] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, AlexPortable, also,
            strange stuff i need to ask. based on my knowledge, free firmware
            for realtek adapters do not exist. and, the official debian images
            don't contain nonfree software. when i installed debian 8, the
            card did not work out of the box, and i had to install
            firwmare-realtek 0.43 (which resulted in a slow link speed) or
            lwfinger's rtlwifi_new (which allowed a fast link speed). on
            debian 9 RC4,
           
         
        
          295 [01:51:38] <larvallid> the wifi worked out of the box without
            any system modifications. do you know why this is?
           
         
        
          296 [01:52:20] <Atm0spher1c> seems rfkill is kernel software
            switch
           
         
        
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          298 [01:52:25] <larvallid> someone did mention that hardware can
            supply its own firmware/microcode, and since debian 9 uses linux
            kernel 4.9.0, the new kernel is able to pick up the
            firmware/microcode
           
         
        
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          301 [01:53:09] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, there is a hardware
            switch (FN+F2 keys) which i can use.
           
         
        
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          307 [01:54:33] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, so you have debian 9
            (stretch), and added non-free to sources.list and installed
            firmware-realtek, correct?
           
         
        
          308 [01:54:53] <Atm0spher1c> or you installed lwfinger's
            package again?
           
         
        
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          317 [01:57:36] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, no, as i have said, i
            have not made any system modifications except to install IDLE
            (python IDE) which i needed to work on school work.
           
         
        
          318 [01:58:17] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, so add non-free to
            sources, update, and install firmware-realtek
           
         
        
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          323 [01:59:48] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, first i want to check
            what firmware is currently installed. how can i do that? and note
            that when i power on the system, it says "failed to load
            firmware rtl8821ae_fw.bin" or something like that.
           
         
        
          324 [02:00:08] <Atm0spher1c> because you didn't install
            firmware-realtek
           
         
        
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          326 [02:00:16] <Atm0spher1c> so it failed
           
         
        
          327 [02:00:25] <Atm0spher1c> kernel sees the device i believe
           
         
        
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          330 [02:01:04] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, kernel sees the realtek
            adapter and it's able to connect to wifi networks (although
            with disconnects). does that mean someone has reverse engineered
            realtek hardware?
           
         
        
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          333 [02:01:26] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, maybe they are slowly
            adding things, not sure
           
         
        
          334 [02:01:43] <Atm0spher1c> but seems it wont work otherwise,
            that's why the non free package is provided
           
         
        
          335 [02:04:03] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, is there any possibility
            that a nonfree driver somehow found its way into upstream code? i
            ask because the disconnections occur more often with
            firmware-realtek 0.43 (which is written by realtek) than lwfinger
            rtlwifi_new
           
         
        
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          337 [02:04:26] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, 0.43 is very old
           
         
        
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          340 [02:04:58] <larvallid> now adding nonfree, updating, and
            installing...
           
         
        
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          343 [02:05:53] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, okay. note: line should
            read non-free
           
         
        
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          346 [02:06:16] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, yeah i checked with the
            wiki and realized that. thanks for pointing it out.
           
         
        
          347 [02:06:24] <Atm0spher1c> great  
         
        
          348 [02:06:36] <Atm0spher1c> thanks for reading wiki :)
           
         
        
          349 [02:07:21] <foul_owl> Does anyone here use rhythmbox?
           
         
        
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          351 [02:08:41] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, the bug /just/ occurred
            while running "apt-get update". for a few seconds, the
            wifi status indicator became a white square and the text which
            usually reads "Not connected" or the name of the wifi
            network became blank. a few seconds later, it went back to normal.
            and a few seconds later, it became a white square and blank text
            again. then, to "Not connected", and back to normal icon
            and text now. however,
           
         
        
          352 [02:08:41] <larvallid> all traffic and pings don't go
            through! (this is on debian 9 rc4!)
           
         
        
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          355 [02:09:20] <Atm0spher1c> how did you install? can you connect
            with ethernet?
           
         
        
          356 [02:09:23] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, ping got stuck for a
            while, but i left it sitting there. now it's repeatedly saying
            "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available"
           
         
        
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          358 [02:09:37] <larvallid> does the buffer space thing tell you
            anything about it?
           
         
        
          359 [02:09:50] <Atm0spher1c> yeah, that's not very reliable
           
         
        
          360 [02:09:54] <Atm0spher1c> :D  
         
        
          361 [02:10:54] <Atm0spher1c> otherwise download the package on
            another machine. then dpkg -i package.deb
           
         
        
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          364 [02:12:30] <xp_> My Jessie box no longer connects to the
            internet. I've searched the web and all I could find was uber
            complicated kernel stuff I did not messed with. Can somebody give a
            pointer?
           
         
        
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          366 [02:12:41] <larvallid> i'm going to reboot, turn off
            wifi in network-manager, and use ethernet
           
         
        
          367 [02:12:51] <xp_> It's all over the place: via-rhine
            0000:00:08.0 eth0: Transmit timed out, ststus ffff, PHY status fff,
            reseting...
           
         
        
          368 [02:12:53] <xp_> via-rhine 0000:00:08.0 eth0: Reset not
            complete yet. Trying harder
           
         
        
          369 [02:12:54] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, okay
           
         
        
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          372 [02:13:18] <VentGrey> Hello world  
         
        
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          374 [02:13:40] <VentGrey> Is anyone here using Debian Stretch
            with a Gnome-based desktop?
           
         
        
          375 [02:13:58] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, it no longer connects? what
            changed?
           
         
        
          376 [02:15:07] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Nothing, really. This is a
            headless system that I don't use very often. Today I turned it
            on and it didn't respond to SSH request. Connected a screen an
            got this surprize
           
         
        
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          382 [02:17:00] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: During boot I got to see in the
            kernel messages something similar to what it shows when it panics
           
         
        
          383 [02:17:04] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, headless vm? some pointers -
            try ping, sudo ss -aptun | column -t, resolv.conf,
            /etc/network/interfaces, check that ssh is running.
           
         
        
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          388 [02:18:16] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: 'vm' as in
            'Virtual Machine'? No, it's a physical computer on
            the local network
           
         
        
          389 [02:18:23] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Ping fails, from it and to it
           
         
        
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          391 [02:18:42] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, done. i've disabled
            wifi and bluetooth, updated, and installed firmware-realtek. it
            updated the initial ramdisk. no errors. reboot now?
           
         
        
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          395 [02:20:03] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, honestly, i think you can
            try to run it, but i don't use gnome, and do things more low
            level. If it doesnt work, sure, reboot.
           
         
        
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          398 [02:20:56] <larvallid> ok, now turning on wifi and connecting
            to network through network-manager.
           
         
        
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          402 [02:21:44] <Saar> just reboot, fixes 90% of problems ;-)
           
         
        
          403 [02:21:48] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, look at ip a, or ifconfig, does
            the device get an ip? is the network up? you're not running
            xorg are you?
           
         
        
          404 [02:22:15] <Atm0spher1c> xp_,
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          406 [02:22:39] <xp_> "sudo ss -aptun | column -t" says
            something about port 22. sshd, LISTEN
           
         
        
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          408 [02:23:07] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, yeah so looks like ssh is
            running. sudo service ssh status also helps
           
         
        
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          412 [02:24:47] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: sudo service ssh status says
            it's running
           
         
        
          413 [02:25:39] <Atm0spher1c> okay, make sure the network is up,
            ethernet is plugged in and all that. wiki is helpful too
           
         
        
          414 [02:26:08] <larvallid> problem occurs exactly as described
            before installing firmware-realtek. now rebooting and testing some
            more.
           
         
        
          415 [02:26:28] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: ifconfig says
            "addr:192.168.1.4"
           
         
        
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          418 [02:27:18] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, what DE?
           
         
        
          419 [02:27:43] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: No Desktop Enviroment, headless
            Debian Jessie
           
         
        
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          422 [02:28:36] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: The cable is plugged
           
         
        
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          424 [02:28:58] <uxfi> I do foul_owl  
         
        
          425 [02:29:22] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, okay, pastebin these - ip a,
            dmesg | grep -i YOUR_DEVICE_HERE, cat /etc/network/interfaces, cat
            /etc/resolv.conf
           
         
        
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          427 [02:29:42] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Would the device be
            "eth0"?
           
         
        
          428 [02:29:54] <dirac1> why people from usa watch WWE?.
           
         
        
          429 [02:30:05] <dirac1> Wront chat, my bad.
           
         
        
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          433 [02:31:25] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, maybe, the device that should
            be getting the ip address
           
         
        
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          451 [02:39:22] <xp_> dmesg:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          452 [02:39:24] <xp_> ip:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          453 [02:39:26] <xp_> resolv.conf: "nameserver
            192.168.1.1"
           
         
        
          454 [02:39:36] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Here it is ^
           
         
        
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          456 [02:40:46] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: I've forgotten interfaces.
            I'll go grab it
           
         
        
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          461 [02:41:22] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, sudo ifdown eth0
           
         
        
          462 [02:41:27] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, sudo ifup eth0
           
         
        
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          464 [02:41:39] <Atm0spher1c> try to ping  
         
        
          465 [02:42:04] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: sudo ifdown eth0 says nothing
           
         
        
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          468 [02:42:14] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, okay keep going
           
         
        
          469 [02:42:26] <xp_> sudo ifup eth0 says the line you got on
            dmesg
           
         
        
          470 [02:42:41] <xp_> "eth0: Reset not complete yet. Trying
            harder"
           
         
        
          471 [02:43:01] <xp_> via-rhine 0000:00:08.0 before all that
           
         
        
          472 [02:43:02] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, rebooted. network
            disconnects almost immediately after loading a few webpages, but
            icon and status text remain as if it was still connected. ping says
            "From <laptop's internal ip> icmp_seq=1 Destination
            Host Unreachable". wifi works again if i turn it off and on in
            network-manager. (the on/off slider takes a long time to respond
            after clicking, and it takes a long time to turn the adapter off.)
           
         
        
          473 [02:43:02] <larvallid> network-manager crashed and restarted
            once. the shortcut for network-manager has disappeared from the
            upper-right corner menu but wifi still works after turning the
            switch off and on.
           
         
        
          474 [02:43:21] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, okay, look at interfaces. also
            have you tried to reboot, just wondering if anything changes?
           
         
        
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          476 [02:43:42] <nine_milli> .  
         
        
          477 [02:43:43] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, strange. so it work good
            now?
           
         
        
          478 [02:44:07] <Atm0spher1c> the wifi that is
           
         
        
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          481 [02:44:59] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, no, it's working
            worse than on debian 8. as i said, it disconnects after a few
            webpages. it'll work again after i toggle the network-manager
            switch off and then on. this isn't practical.
           
         
        
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          483 [02:46:14] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, what is dmesg telling you
            now?
           
         
        
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          485 [02:47:28] <lxtemp> hi, I'm trying to decide whether to
            go with debian testing or ubuntu for my desktop. I do have some
            linux experience, but I prefer when things just work, but I also
            don't want to wait forever for new software versions. Are there
            any major things I should be aware of when I decide?
           
         
        
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          488 [02:48:41] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Seems like I've ovewritten
            /etc/network/interfaces while trying to get its contents. Oops
           
         
        
          489 [02:48:49] <xp_> Rebooting did no good
           
         
        
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          491 [02:49:24] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, you should know the command
            line well, and what to do if something breaks. If you don't run
            bloated DE, testing, even sid worked for me without any problems.
           
         
        
          492 [02:49:55] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, make a new one.
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          493 [02:51:17] <lxtemp> Atm0spher1c, I prefer GUI but can use the
            command line if necessary - I just prefer things to not break. Can I
            run a Debian testing system for a couple of years without
            reinstalling it, including when a new release is made?
           
         
        
          494 [02:51:37] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: I had setup static IP before in
            this system, in case that's related to the problem
           
         
        
          495 [02:51:38] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, yes, it just keeps going
           
         
        
          496 [02:51:40] <at0m> lxtemp: if debian testing were stable, it
            would be stable
           
         
        
          497 [02:52:19] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, what DE you run?
           
         
        
          498 [02:52:23] <at0m> things breaking comes with the testing.
           
         
        
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          501 [02:52:37] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, probably not, that wiki will
            goes over static IP
           
         
        
          502 [02:52:47] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, there is an error about
            tpm_crb not being able to allocate memory, but that is probably
            related to the Trusted Platform Module (used by microsoft bitlocker
            disk encryption). near the bottom i have
            "gnome-control-c[1844]: segfault at l ip 000055flelc72a4c sp
            00007fffb6492340 error 4 in
            gnome-control-center[55flelb4d000+39d000]". the last two lines
            are "asus_wmi: Unknown key cf pressed \n proc_thermal
           
         
        
          503 [02:52:47] <larvallid> 0000:00:04.0: Unsupported event
            [0x84]"
           
         
        
          504 [02:53:01] <lxtemp> at0m, well, I've given up on finding
            an operating system that actually works reasonably well (i.e.
            doesn't have month-to-year-old software but also doesn't
            break), I'm just trying to find the one that will cause me to
            smash the smallest number of keyboards
           
         
        
          505 [02:53:13] <lxtemp> Atm0spher1c, probably going to go with
            cinnamon
           
         
        
          506 [02:53:21] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, i just ran dmesg again.
            the line with "proc_thermal" is repeated, 189 seconds
            later.
           
         
        
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          508 [02:53:36] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: I suppose I'll have that
            in the interfaces file:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          510 [02:53:51] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, i mean something like -
            dmesg | grep -i wlan0
           
         
        
          511 [02:53:57] <lxtemp> gnome is too bloated and gimmicky, and
            the more basic ones are too often majorly broken (like
            "can't properly drag and drop" broken)
           
         
        
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          514 [02:54:39] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, In your case, I would run
            debian stable and testing. stable as a backup machine, or dual boot
            it.
           
         
        
          515 [02:54:41] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Do you suggest I try to swap
            the cable with the one on my main computer?
           
         
        
          516 [02:55:00] <at0m> lxtemp: unexpected behaviour is broken. not
            meaning to have such option to drag and drop is not.
           
         
        
          517 [02:55:06] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, running that, the only
            result returned is "rtl8821ae 0000:03:00.0 wlp3s0: renamed from
            wlan0". (on debian 9 and ubuntu, they changed network adapters
            to names that are impossible to remember)
           
         
        
          518 [02:55:30] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, ppl are always saying,
            things will break!. I ran debian testing for almost 2 years without
            anything going wrong. Running awesome window manager.
           
         
        
          519 [02:56:03] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, the device is wlp3s0 -
            dmesg | grep wlp3s0
           
         
        
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          523 [02:57:11] <lxtemp> Atm0spher1c, yeah, I know. If things
            break once a year, I can recover - worst case I boot of some live
            media, create an updated one, recover my data, and nuke the box from
            orbit. I just don't want to spend time wrangling my OS instead
            of getting things done. That's the reason microsoft finally
            convinced me to switch to linux...
           
         
        
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          525 [02:57:41] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, just look at apt logs, go
            into apt cache and dpkg -i oldversion.dpkg
           
         
        
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          527 [02:58:13] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, i will paste into #flood
            in a sec
           
         
        
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          530 [02:58:32] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, lmao, that is why i switched
            from windows years ago. Dev on windows was a pia
           
         
        
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          532 [02:58:45] <Atm0spher1c> lxtemp, having to reboot everyday,
            sometimes twice
           
         
        
          533 [02:59:21] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, no, use a pastebin
           
         
        
          534 [02:59:30] <lxtemp> Atm0spher1c, oh no. My box reboots once
            or twice a month, and gets reinstalled whenever the hardware dies
            (that samsung has been surprisingly sturdy, must be 6 years now)
           
         
        
          535 [02:59:53] <lxtemp> but by now that thing is reaching even my
            standards for "no longer usable"
           
         
        
          536 [03:01:04] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c,
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          537 [03:01:40] <xp_> Swapping cables BRB  
         
        
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          540 [03:04:10] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, you're using ipv6?
           
         
        
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          543 [03:04:43] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, nope, completely ipv4 on
            LAN
           
         
        
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          545 [03:05:04] <Dagger> if you dare suggest "disable
            it"...
           
         
        
          546 [03:05:32] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, well do some searching on
            what you have in those logs
           
         
        
          547 [03:05:49] <Atm0spher1c> you'll probably have to take it
            from here
           
         
        
          548 [03:06:01] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, ok
           
         
        
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          554 [03:09:05] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, tomorrow i will install
            the proprietary OS and see if i can reproduce the problem on there.
            i might have to make a choice to either use nonfree or go full rms
            and only use ethernet... do you have any recommendations for
            external USB wifi adapters that work on linux?
           
         
        
          555 [03:09:11] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid,
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          556 [03:09:19] <simbalion`> upgraded to stretch and now ssh
            won't connect: ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection
            reset by peer
           
         
        
          557 [03:10:21] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, also, you have
            wpasupplicant installed of course right?
           
         
        
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          559 [03:10:37] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, do i check with apt-get
            install wpasupplicant?
           
         
        
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          563 [03:11:02] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, dpkg -l | grep package is
            fast
           
         
        
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          565 [03:11:10] <larvallid> checking..  
         
        
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          567 [03:11:51] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, i have a micro usb edimax
            which is realtek and it works. honestly a lot of them are supported
            these days. maybe find one with free firmware
           
         
        
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          570 [03:12:34] <lxtemp> thanks for the help, I think I'll
            just try both out one more time!
           
         
        
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          572 [03:13:00] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: So I've swapped cables. In
            the proccess I could ping google.com for a short period of time,
            then it stopped working again. Ain't that interesting?
           
         
        
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          574 [03:13:20] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, wpasupplicant 2:2.4-1 is
            installed. what firmware are you using on your usb adapter?
           
         
        
          575 [03:13:37] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, yes. sounds like it might be
            more than just debian
           
         
        
          576 [03:13:58] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, firmware-realtek of
            course
           
         
        
          577 [03:14:24] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Network adapter? Internet
            router?
           
         
        
          578 [03:14:34] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, which version of debian?
            and you said you don't use gnome network-manager; what do you
            use?
           
         
        
          579 [03:14:50] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, no clue, i have no way to test
            that
           
         
        
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          581 [03:15:33] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Ok. Thank you for your time and
            patience
           
         
        
          582 [03:15:42] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, np  
         
        
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          584 [03:16:25] <xp_> Atm0spher1c: Do you want me to report you my
            findings later?
           
         
        
          585 [03:16:49] <simbalion`> can anyone help me with that ssh
            error?
           
         
        
          586 [03:16:57] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, I just use a window
            manager. I configure /etc/network/interfaces, and just do ifup
            interface. I used the usb wifi on jessie, and recently used it on
            stretch, worked great.
           
         
        
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          588 [03:17:40] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, or I have it connect
            automatically if set in the config file
           
         
        
          589 [03:18:13] <Atm0spher1c> xp_, no thanks
           
         
        
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          592 [03:18:17] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, and you can use it with
            firefox and other programs?
           
         
        
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          595 [03:18:49] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, yes, once it connects,
            everything works
           
         
        
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          603 [03:21:03] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, actually use it on a pi
            with kodi :)
           
         
        
          604 [03:21:07] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, i've actually used
            other realtek adapters on linux and they've worked fine, and
            you said you're using a realtek chip. before i buy an adapter
            or laptop, if i know it has a realtek adapter, what's the best
            way to know whether it will work on linux? because it seems that
            some realtek adapters will work, while others won't.
           
         
        
          605 [03:21:30] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, reviews, searching
           
         
        
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          607 [03:22:02] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, ok. do i need to be wary
            when buying intel, ralink, or qualcomm atheros adapters? because
            i've heard those have good support on linux.
           
         
        
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          609 [03:22:12] <Atm0spher1c> very often someone says
            "installed linux" these days
           
         
        
          610 [03:22:59] <Atm0spher1c> I think the latest, just released
            stuff might often not be supported yuet
           
         
        
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          615 [03:25:10] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, FCC documents show the
            user manual for RTL8821AE came out in january 2013, and
            certification came out in august 2015. how slow is linux hardware
            support?
           
         
        
          616 [03:25:31] <Atm0spher1c> lol, honestly, maybe the thing is
            failing?
           
         
        
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          618 [03:25:52] <Atm0spher1c> or if you dig more, you might find
            solution, maybe some bad bug.
           
         
        
          619 [03:26:33] <larvallid> is there a way to test whether
            it's failing? (i can install a proprietary OS if necessary)
           
         
        
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          621 [03:26:50] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, firmware-realtek includes
            firmware for 8821AE
           
         
        
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          625 [03:27:51] <Atm0spher1c> buy the same exact card?
            that'll be the test :)
           
         
        
          626 [03:29:18] <Atm0spher1c> is it old? you mentioned windows had
            the same problem, so...
           
         
        
          627 [03:29:21] <simbalion`> can anyone help me with that ssh
            error?
           
         
        
          628 [03:29:48] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, what ssh error? maybe
            ask #linux.
           
         
        
          629 [03:29:55] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, ##linux
           
         
        
          630 [03:29:57] <simbalion`> upgraded to stretch and now ssh
            won't connect: ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection
            reset by peer
           
         
        
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          632 [03:30:10] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, you using a key?
           
         
        
          633 [03:30:33] <simbalion`> tried with and without
           
         
        
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          637 [03:31:28] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, can you explain the
            scenario?
           
         
        
          638 [03:31:33] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, no, the laptop is just
            one month past the manufacturer's 1 year warranty. ><
           
         
        
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          640 [03:31:53] <Atm0spher1c> larvallid, heh, that's when
            they get ya.
           
         
        
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          642 [03:32:05] <Atm0spher1c> honestly not sure though
           
         
        
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          646 [03:33:06] <nine_milli> is debian faster than redhat?
           
         
        
          647 [03:33:14] <dvs> ???  
         
        
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          649 [03:33:27] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: I upgraded from jessie
            to stretch and ssh broke.
           
         
        
          650 [03:33:40] <simbalion`> I did a reboot
           
         
        
          651 [03:33:50] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, yes, but connecting from
            where to where
           
         
        
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          655 [03:34:38] <larvallid> Atm0spher1c, ok, well, i /did/ create
            recovery media before wiping the preinstalled OS, so i will install
            windows 10 on there and then i will know for certain whether
            it's linux or hardware to blame. thanks for the help. i'm
            going to disconnect now, bye
           
         
        
          656 [03:34:56] <Atm0spher1c> okay gl  
         
        
          657 [03:35:02] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: my workstation to a
            server
           
         
        
          658 [03:35:19] <larvallid> thanks, 73  
         
        
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          660 [03:35:37] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, and the server is
            upgraded to stretchh?
           
         
        
          661 [03:35:43] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: both are actually
           
         
        
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          666 [03:36:53] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, did you do any
            searching?
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          668 [03:37:05] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: yep found nothing
            useful.
           
         
        
          669 [03:38:08] <Eduard_Munteanu> simbalion`, use ssh -v to see
            what happens
           
         
        
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          671 [03:38:28] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, interesting, lots of
            useful stuff just on that link
           
         
        
          672 [03:38:36] <simbalion`> Ah interesting, I can connect from
            the server to the server
           
         
        
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          678 [03:40:31] <simbalion`> Also mysql and fail2ban both failed
            to upgrade properly
           
         
        
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          680 [03:40:49] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: thanks for that link, it
            didn't turn up in my search.
           
         
        
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          690 [03:48:03] <simbalion`> I'm able to connect from one of
            my other servers just not my workstation. Should be able to fix it
            on my own from here, I thought the sshd service was broken but
            that's clearly not it
           
         
        
          691 [03:48:09] <simbalion`> Thanks for the help
           
         
        
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          697 [03:51:21] <pooh-tin> hi.  
         
        
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          764 [04:36:47] <Atm0spher1c> where is the home env variable set
            by default?
           
         
        
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          768 [04:38:36] <dvs> Atm0spher1c, why? You want to set it for a
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          771 [04:40:20] <Atm0spher1c> I'm just curious. I restored an
            old home dir on a new install and the HOME is set wrong
           
         
        
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          773 [04:40:46] <Atm0spher1c> it's not set anywhere, so just
            wondering what does it by default
           
         
        
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          775 [04:41:14] <dvs> Atm0spher1c, I'm guessing it takes the
            entry from the /etc/passwd file.
           
         
        
          776 [04:41:24] <Tramp> Atm0spher1c: login (1) for a console
            login. And ^^
           
         
        
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          778 [04:42:08] <Atm0spher1c> okay Tramp dvs , thanks
           
         
        
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          836 [05:10:05] <Kl451> I'm fairly new to Linux. I want to
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            wireless install.
           
         
        
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          838 [05:10:37] <dvs> !firmware iso  
         
        
          839 [05:10:37] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
            containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
            installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
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          841 [05:12:16] <Kl451> I want to go straight to stretch. Is
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          843 [05:13:34] <Kl451> I tried out adding the noon-free ucode
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          892 [05:53:54] <jim> hi... is android studio packaged?
           
         
        
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          909 [05:59:18] <nine_milli> everyone, jim is a common troll from
            #linux
           
         
        
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          979 [06:40:21] <codebam> lol  
         
        
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          995 [06:52:05] <simbalion`> What has replaced php5-fpm in
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          998 [06:53:21] <tx> php-fpm - server-side, HTML-embedded
            scripting language (FPM-CGI binary) (default)
           
         
        
          999 [06:53:21] <tx> php7.0-fpm - server-side, HTML-embedded
            scripting language (FPM-CGI binary)
           
         
        
          1000 [06:53:29] <tx> gotta have the .0 ;)  
         
        
          1001 [06:54:51] <simbalion`> ah I see, thank you :)
           
         
        
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          1003 [06:56:35] <uxfi> hi where can I find
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1005 [06:57:18] <tx> probably need to ask them
           
         
        
          1006 [06:57:22] <jim> uxfi, what happens when you try?
           
         
        
          1007 [06:57:28] <tx> it's not like a distro comes with all of
            the supporting infrastructure
           
         
        
          1008 [06:57:29] <tx> :)  
         
        
          1009 [06:57:38] <tx> they need to implement that
           
         
        
          1010 [06:57:50] <uxfi> aha  
         
        
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          1079 [07:52:54] <Goldy> hi  
         
        
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          1099 [08:02:42] <gry> It is absolutely impossible to install a
            64bit program on a 32bit OS, correct?
           
         
        
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          1103 [08:04:31] <tx> gry: the prerequisite is a 64-bit kernel.
           
         
        
          1104 [08:04:41] <tx> (to run natively)  
         
        
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          1106 [08:05:56] <tx> qemu-x86_64 can do this
           
         
        
          1107 [08:05:59] <tx> but it's not fast ;)
           
         
        
          1108 [08:06:57] <gry> ok  
         
        
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          1110 [08:09:05] <jelly> gry: it's not impossible to install.
            It may be not possible to run.
           
         
        
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          1113 [08:10:00] * jelly running 64bit google chrome along mostly i386
            userspace
           
         
        
          1114 [08:10:17] <tx> Is there a reason you're in an i386
            userland
           
         
        
          1115 [08:10:20] <tx> or is it hardware related
           
         
        
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          1117 [08:10:36] <jelly> os was installed in 2001.
           
         
        
          1118 [08:10:44] <tx> ah, that'l do it.
           
         
        
          1119 [08:10:46] <jelly> can't be bothered to do a fresh
            install
           
         
        
          1120 [08:11:35] <gry> tx: I installed debian around 2012, and I
            was dumb enough to pick the wrong installer, and it was dumb enough
            to not whine at me in response
           
         
        
          1121 [08:11:39] <gry> tx: would be nice if it did
           
         
        
          1122 [08:12:13] <tx> I still do a yearly refresh.
           
         
        
          1123 [08:12:16] <tx> I feel out of place now. :p
           
         
        
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          1125 [08:14:06] <jelly> gry: maybe it could also present a nice
            helpful animated assistant. "It looks like you're trying
            to do an i386 install but your hardware is amd64 capable, SURELY you
            did not mean to do that?"
           
         
        
          1126 [08:14:45] <jelly> perhaps it could look like a piece of
            office stationery
           
         
        
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          1128 [08:14:56] <tx> The affirmative dialog text need to say
            "Yes I did, and don't call me Shirley."
           
         
        
          1129 [08:15:21] <gry> jelly: that would be wonderful - I did this
            in 2010 due to ignorance, but then I did it again in 2012 due to
            lack of attention
           
         
        
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          1132 [08:15:36] <jelly> /s  
         
        
          1133 [08:15:38] <gry> jelly: I could file a bug, against what
            package?
           
         
        
          1134 [08:15:43] <tx> gry: I think jelly is being sarcastic. :P
           
         
        
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          1136 [08:16:11] <gry> tx: that'd be ... a bit disappointing
            ... most of the cases when people install 32bit on 64bit is a human
            error I would think
           
         
        
          1137 [08:16:40] <gry> I'll have to do a bit of fiddling
            around and most likely a complete reinstall
           
         
        
          1138 [08:16:55] <gry> because the laptop user wants a program
            which doens't have a binary for 32bit
           
         
        
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          1140 [08:17:44] <tx> which program is this?
           
         
        
          1141 [08:17:59] <jelly> in the meantime you can install and reboot
            into linux-image-amd64, enable amd64 as foreign arch, and install
            libraries necessary to make said program run
           
         
        
          1142 [08:18:42] <jelly> !multiarch  
         
        
          1143 [08:18:42] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
            architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
            installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
            && apt-get update». See
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          1144 [08:19:14] <jelly> same functionality enables one to install
            amd64 package on an i386 system.
           
         
        
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          1146 [08:21:23] <gry> tx: skype.  
         
        
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          1148 [08:21:42] <gry> jelly: I am allowed to install 64bit kernel
            without complete OS reinstall?
           
         
        
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          1150 [08:22:18] <jelly> and boot it. Yes.  
         
        
          1151 [08:22:51] <gry> aren't all the few hundreds of packages
            that I have 32bit though?
           
         
        
          1152 [08:23:21] <jelly> they are. -amd64 kernel builds support
            running x86_64 userspace, i386 userspace and x32 userspace.
           
         
        
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          1156 [08:24:45] <jelly> there's a linux-image-amd64 build
            _in_ i386 repo (in jessie, and earlier) just for that
           
         
        
          1157 [08:24:57] <jelly> judd: v linux-image-amd64 --arch i386
           
         
        
          1158 [08:24:58] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 --
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          1179 [08:41:52] <one_too_many> Can my computer run debian
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1180 [08:42:06] <one_too_many> I also have gtx 1080 sli
           
         
        
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          1183 [08:42:41] <jelly> probably; the hardware may be too new for
            debian 8.
           
         
        
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          1185 [08:43:01] <one_too_many> That why i was asking
           
         
        
          1186 [08:43:07] <one_too_many> since ryzen is very new
           
         
        
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          1188 [08:43:23] <jelly> you got better chances of using something
            that's been on the market for 12 months
           
         
        
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          1193 [08:43:38] <one_too_many> would arch be a better option then?
           
         
        
          1194 [08:43:45] <one_too_many> since it's rolling
           
         
        
          1195 [08:43:47] <jelly> try it and see  
         
        
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          1198 [08:45:01] <jelly> would be nice if you made an attempt at
            installing stretch and do an installation report
           
         
        
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          1201 [08:45:18] <one_too_many> Would that help debian devs ?
           
         
        
          1202 [08:45:37] <jelly> it would make a useful data point
           
         
        
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          1204 [08:46:23] <jelly> !install stretch  
         
        
          1205 [08:46:23] <dpkg> The best way to install Debian 9
            "Stretch" is probably using the current release candidate
            of the installer images.
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1215 [08:47:44] <one_too_many> Could I do a system report if I
            installed it on a vm instead or does it have to be host only?
           
         
        
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          1231 [08:49:42] <jelly> you can do both but I guess an install
            report on physical hw would be more interesting
           
         
        
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          1240 [08:50:01] <one_too_many> okay I just don't want to wipe
            my windows os
           
         
        
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          1247 [08:50:35] <one_too_many> Would a Live debian running on a
            usb work
           
         
        
          1248 [08:50:37] <lost_soul> no spare hdd you could install to?
           
         
        
          1249 [08:50:38] <jelly> make a backup before installing anything
           
         
        
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          1254 [08:50:44] <jelly> or use a vm, right
           
         
        
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          1257 [08:51:25] <jelly> I don't know if live images for
            stretch are ready
           
         
        
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          1259 [08:51:46] <jelly> !live stretch  
         
        
          1260 [08:51:46] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
            Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
            be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better
            to use). Live images are available from
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1262 [08:52:13] <one_too_many> 404 on the first lnik
           
         
        
          1263 [08:52:20] <one_too_many> link*  
         
        
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          1265 [08:53:30] <one_too_many> both links are down
           
         
        
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          1268 [08:54:12] <jelly> yeah, maybe ask in their channel then.
            Note it's on a different irc network.
           
         
        
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          1270 [08:54:20] <one_too_many> okay  
         
        
          1271 [08:54:40] <TomG2>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1273 [08:55:03] <one_too_many> that link works
           
         
        
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          1276 [08:56:13] <one_too_many> tho that's for debian 8.8.0
           
         
        
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          1285 [09:00:40] <one_too_many> Does Debian accept cryptocoins
            donations?
           
         
        
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          1304 [09:08:15] <jelly>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1305 [09:08:47] <jelly> oops, those are firmware images. But
            anyway. Probably going to need firmware for nouveau anyway.
           
         
        
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          1307 [09:09:18] <one_too_many> I could try getting the nvidia
            binary working
           
         
        
          1308 [09:09:26] <jelly> after installing, sure
           
         
        
          1309 [09:09:35] <jelly> !nvidia dkms  
         
        
          1310 [09:09:35] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
            systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
            «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
            's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir
            /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section
            "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver
            "nvidia"\nEndSection' >
            /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to
            enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
           
         
        
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          1333 [09:21:32] <lavenders> hi  
         
        
          1334 [09:21:56] <lavenders> is it possible to play sound on mail
            incoming, i am open to any mail client or shell or what i need?
           
         
        
          1335 [09:22:28] <lavenders> simple: mail incoming -> play sound
            :) but what program
           
         
        
          1336 [09:22:50] <BenNZ> lavender claws-mail can do that easily
            enough
           
         
        
          1337 [09:23:31] <TomG2> xbiff? :)  
         
        
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          1343 [09:24:27] <TomG2> but yeah, claws and/or sylpheed and many
            other mail clients should be able to play a sound
           
         
        
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          1353 [09:26:39] <jkinn23> I am having a problem with a change to
            libc.so on a WD My Cloud drive running jessie
           
         
        
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          1355 [09:26:53] <lavenders> icedove vs claws?
           
         
        
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          1358 [09:27:53] <jkinn23> I copied libc.so.6 to
            /usr/lib/arm-linux.../ and now most bash commands won't work
           
         
        
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          1360 [09:28:39] <jkinn23> "error while loading shared
            libraries: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnuabihf/libc.so.6: invalid ELF header
           
         
        
          1361 [09:28:57] <jkinn23> anyone here can help me?
           
         
        
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          1363 [09:29:43] <towo^work> why and from whjere you have copied
            libc.so.6?
           
         
        
          1364 [09:29:54] <jelly> jkinn23: don't change libc on your
            closed embedded system
           
         
        
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          1366 [09:30:48] <jelly> jkinn23: see if it's physically
            possible to connect the drive directly to another machine, and fix
            things from there
           
         
        
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          1369 [09:31:37] <jelly> jkinn23: if there's a busybox
            installed, you may be able to "busybox rm ..." that file
           
         
        
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          1372 [09:32:07] <jkinn23> it is network only accessible via ssh
           
         
        
          1373 [09:32:15] <jelly> if there's a statically* linked*
            busybox installed, I mean
           
         
        
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          1375 [09:32:35] <jelly> jkinn23: yeah, you may have to pry open
            the thing to get to the drive
           
         
        
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          1377 [09:33:08] <jelly> possibly make that the last option,
            don't reboot or power it off for the time being
           
         
        
          1378 [09:33:09] <jkinn23> no busybox  
         
        
          1379 [09:33:17] <jkinn23> I am working on this remotely for
            someone
           
         
        
          1380 [09:33:27] <Stummi> lavenders, both are nice
           
         
        
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          1383 [09:33:55] <lavenders> ok, i choose thunderbird because of
            atuoconfigure, but claws looks solid though
           
         
        
          1384 [09:34:03] <Stummi> personally I prefer claws as well
           
         
        
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          1386 [09:35:07] <jelly> jkinn23: what _is_ there useful, then? if
            ls does not work, use workarounds like "echo /usr/bin/*"
            to see what's in a directory
           
         
        
          1387 [09:35:32] <jkinn23> @towo^work I have copied the libc.so.6
            file from a chroot I have on my regular machine to compile packages
            for the mycloud
           
         
        
          1388 [09:36:04] <towo^work> "invalid ELF header" sounds
            not like the right arch
           
         
        
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          1390 [09:36:12] <jkinn23> western digital provides gpl source code
            to compile arm packages for the mycloud
           
         
        
          1391 [09:36:20] <jkinn23> right  
         
        
          1392 [09:36:57] <jkinn23> I am stuck now though...how do I remove
            the libc.so.6 from /usr/lib;...
           
         
        
          1393 [09:37:02] <jkinn23> ?  
         
        
          1394 [09:37:16] <jelly> jkinn23: two options: delete the broken
            lib somehow, or if you know where the working libc.so.6 is, maybe
            you'll be able to copy it over the broken one
           
         
        
          1395 [09:37:46] <jelly> jkinn23: what's the name of dynamic
            loader on that platform?
           
         
        
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          1397 [09:38:20] <jelly> jkinn23: pastebin the output of echo
            /lib/*
           
         
        
          1398 [09:38:35] <jkinn23> cp, rm, ls, most command complain about
            error loaded shared library
           
         
        
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          1400 [09:38:55] <jkinn23> how can I tell the dynamic loader?
           
         
        
          1401 [09:39:01] <jelly> jkinn23: pastebin the output of echo
            /lib/*
           
         
        
          1402 [09:39:44] <jelly> it's something like
            /lib/ld-linux.so.2, not sure what's the common name on
            armel/armhf/arm64
           
         
        
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          1404 [09:40:18] <jelly> jkinn23: and output of: echo /lib/ld-*
            /lib/*/ld-*
           
         
        
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          1408 [09:41:31] <jelly> jkinn23: do you happen to know, did you
            overwrite a libc.so.6 that existed already, or did you put in a new
            one in a directory where none existed before?
           
         
        
          1409 [09:42:13] <jelly> if latter, that's very good, you may
            be able to run normal commands by telling them to preload the
            correct libc
           
         
        
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          1416 [09:43:35] <jkinn23>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1419 [09:43:46] <jkinn23> I put where none existed
           
         
        
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          1425 [09:45:29] <jkinn23> how can I preload the correct libc?
           
         
        
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          1430 [09:46:26] <jelly> jkinn23: something like
            LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libc.so.6 /bin/cp --version
           
         
        
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          1432 [09:46:38] <jelly> jkinn23: does running
            "/lib/ld-linux.so.3" work?
           
         
        
          1433 [09:47:01] <jelly> Usage: ld.so [OPTION]... EXECUTABLE-FILE
            [ARGS-FOR-PROGRAM...] [etc]
           
         
        
          1434 [09:47:09] <jkinn23> one moment...I can't copy paste
            because of the remote connection
           
         
        
          1435 [09:47:18] <jkinn23> thanks very much for helping
           
         
        
          1436 [09:47:19] <jkinn23> brb  
         
        
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          1438 [09:47:32] <jelly> I'll be afk for a while as well
           
         
        
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          1441 [09:47:38] <jkinn23> OK  
         
        
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          1449 [09:51:38] <jkinn23> error: ld.so: object
            "/lib/libc.so.6" from LD_PRELOAD connot be preloaded:
            ignored
           
         
        
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          1455 [09:54:04] <jkinn23> "/lib/ld-linux.so.3"
            works...carrying on
           
         
        
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          1463 [09:58:15] <jkinn23> OK, I think I can get the
            "/lib/ld-linux.so.3" to work, but what is the correct
            library I shold provide a path to so I can get my bash commands to
            run?
           
         
        
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          1487 [10:12:00] <jkinn23> libc.so.6 was located at
            /lib/arm-linux-gnuabihf/libc.so.6 which I "cleverly"
            renamed to libc.so.6.orig before I overwrote it with a new one and I
            think this is when my problems started, even though it is complaing
            about the libc from /usr/lib
           
         
        
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          1490 [10:13:29] <coke> if you want to keep files move them way
           
         
        
          1491 [10:13:47] <coke> s/move/copy/  
         
        
          1492 [10:13:47] <jelly> jkinn23: so try doing
            LD_PRELOAD=/lib/arm-linux-gnuabihf/libc.so.6.orig /bin/ls
           
         
        
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          1494 [10:14:31] <jelly> coke: also, if you want to keep your
            system running, don't move away the library all compiled
            binaries depend on
           
         
        
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          1498 [10:16:18] <coke> s/move/copy/  
         
        
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          1506 [10:20:26] <jkinn23> well I've learned now what that
            library is for and I won't do it again
           
         
        
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          1510 [10:21:01] <jkinn23> but I still need to rename it back if I
            can
           
         
        
          1511 [10:21:55] <jkinn23> any other ideas?
           
         
        
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          1517 [10:24:53] <b4d_> Hi, I am trying to install a package in
            squeeze (yeah, old, but can't upgrade) and I am getting 404 not
            found errors. Is there any alternative source link for packages?
            Thanks
           
         
        
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          1523 [10:26:44] <jelly> jkinn23: that LD_PRELOAD thing did not
            work?
           
         
        
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          1528 [10:29:39] <jkinn23> @jelly sorry I missed that message at
            first
           
         
        
          1529 [10:29:45] <jkinn23> it did indeed work
           
         
        
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          1532 [10:30:05] <jkinn23> I've renamed my libc and back in
            busniess
           
         
        
          1533 [10:30:09] <jkinn23> phewph  
         
        
          1534 [10:30:16] <jkinn23> thank you so much!!!
           
         
        
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          1536 [10:30:57] <jkinn23> that scared the crap out of me...I super
            appreciate the help
           
         
        
          1537 [10:31:08] <jkinn23> now I know :)  
         
        
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          1539 [10:31:26] <dionysus69> how do I make a bootable drive with
            both gparted and clonezilla on it?
           
         
        
          1540 [10:31:39] <dionysus69> let's say grub asks me at boot
            time which one to load
           
         
        
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          1542 [10:32:07] <Bliepo> Hello, I run a small hobby server
            (meaning that some downtime is acceptable) and was wondering about
            what would be best: a clean install of stretch or simply upgrading
            Jessie.
           
         
        
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          1545 [10:32:27] <dionysus69> Bliepo: upgrading wouldn't hurt
            anything
           
         
        
          1546 [10:32:43] <dionysus69> but obviously fresh install
            "might" have it's benefits
           
         
        
          1547 [10:33:03] <Bliepo> dionysus69: thanks, in that case
            I'll probably just upgrade
           
         
        
          1548 [10:33:36] <dionysus69> yep, I think that's what I did
            with my system I am currently using. stretch is surprisingly stable,
            and its development has been frozen
           
         
        
          1549 [10:34:28] <Bliepo> Well, I'll just snapshot my system
            before upgrading (I use btrfs), so if something should go wrong I
            can rollback quite easily
           
         
        
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          1553 [10:35:27] <ggy6> .  
         
        
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          1565 [10:38:49] <petn-randall> Bliepo: Do an upgrade, and make
            sure to do an upgrade report. If you find any upgrade bugs
            they'll get fixed. :)
           
         
        
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          1579 [10:53:39] <Bliepo> petn-randall: will do!
           
         
        
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          1584 [10:55:05] <cek> I'd like to RUN a program and assign
            its singleline result to an ENV{var}. RUN+="/usr/sbin/blockdev
            --getsz %N",ENV{DEVSIZE}="%c" doesn't work.
           
         
        
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          1592 [10:58:53] <jelly> jkinn23: it can help to have a statically
            linked featureful shell in place, for times when you manage to mess
            up normal dynamically linked commands
           
         
        
          1593 [10:59:18] <jelly> ,v busybox-static  
         
        
          1594 [10:59:19] <judd> Package: busybox-static on amd64 -- wheezy:
            1:1.20.0-7; jessie: 1:1.22.0-9+deb8u1; stretch: 1:1.22.0-19+b3; sid:
            1:1.22.0-19+b3
           
         
        
          1595 [10:59:21] <petn-randall> cek: VAR=`echo foo`
           
         
        
          1596 [10:59:44] <cek> udev question.  
         
        
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          1600 [11:02:34] <cek> oh, should've been PROGRAM
           
         
        
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          1613 [11:09:45] <_KaszpiR_> cek VAR=$(command)
           
         
        
          1614 [11:09:56] <cek> ...another one.  
         
        
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          1631 [11:15:45] <jim> hi... on upgrade from jessie to stretch,
            getting this:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1634 [11:16:21] <jkinn23> thanks @jelly ...I will do that
           
         
        
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          1636 [11:16:42] <jkinn23> this mycloud drive has been a pain to
            work with
           
         
        
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          1639 [11:17:54] <jkinn23> I am trying to do a file recovery on it
            and it takes jessie packages, but not through apt
           
         
        
          1640 [11:17:57] <petn-randall> jim: Run "grep -r
            '1c300953' /etc/".
           
         
        
          1641 [11:18:08] <jim> ok  
         
        
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          1643 [11:18:31] <jkinn23> so I am manually downloading and
            compiling them...then transferring to the owner to she can put the
            on a usb and plug it into the drive
           
         
        
          1644 [11:18:37] <petn-randall> jim: IIRC is
            /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
           
         
        
          1645 [11:18:40] <petn-randall> *it is  
         
        
          1646 [11:19:15] <jkinn23> but I don't knwo in advance what
            dependencies are missing because I don't have the drive in
            front of me to check with
           
         
        
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          1650 [11:20:42] <jkinn23> this is not as easy as just running
            testdisk :P
           
         
        
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          1652 [11:21:15] <jim> petn-randall, yeah, the grep returned that
            file, I just deleted the line since (1) there's no such swap
            partition and (2) this isn't a laptop anyway
           
         
        
          1653 [11:21:15] <jkinn23> I have to go for now...thanks again!
           
         
        
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          1656 [11:22:15] <jim> petn-randall, anyway thanks, that was a good
            idea
           
         
        
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          1667 [11:23:48] <petn-randall> jim: You're welcome :)
           
         
        
          1668 [11:24:27] <x8b30cc> hello there i am unable to uninstall a
            package: speech-dispatcher, i keep getting userdel: failure while
            writing changes to /etc/passwd
           
         
        
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          1671 [11:25:03] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Can you paste the command
            you're using + the complete output to
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1676 [11:25:29] <x8b30cc> @petn-randall sure
           
         
        
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          1681 [11:27:15] <x8b30cc> petn-randall
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1682 [11:28:18] <petn-randall> !localized errors
           
         
        
          1683 [11:28:18] <dpkg> Rather than hoping that we recognise what
            has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language,
            please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by
            setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the
            command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
           
         
        
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          1685 [11:28:25] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: ^^^
           
         
        
          1686 [11:28:47] <x8b30cc> petn-randall can't i just translate
            it to you?
           
         
        
          1687 [11:29:18] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Just add LC_ALL=C before
            the command and it'll be in english.
           
         
        
          1688 [11:29:32] <petn-randall> (that factoid sounds a bit snarky,
            I'll fix that)
           
         
        
          1689 [11:29:50] <babilen> It does, yeah  
         
        
          1690 [11:30:43] <x8b30cc> petn-randall:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1694 [11:32:45] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: It sounds like your root
            filesystem is read-only. Or at least /etc/passwd.
           
         
        
          1695 [11:33:07] <x8b30cc> petn-randall sounds bad
           
         
        
          1696 [11:33:54] <x8b30cc> just tried to create a file inside /root
            it works
           
         
        
          1697 [11:34:04] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: You can check the first
            with "mount", and the second with "ls -al
            /etc/passwd".
           
         
        
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          1699 [11:34:35] <petn-randall> babilen: fixed it
           
         
        
          1700 [11:34:42] <petn-randall> !localized errors
           
         
        
          1701 [11:34:42] <dpkg> To provide command output in English
            instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one
            (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get
            -f install".
           
         
        
          1702 [11:34:48] <x8b30cc> petn-randall
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1703 [11:34:53] <x8b30cc> nope sorry wrong paste
           
         
        
          1704 [11:35:07] <enkrypt> when I put a package on hold (apt-mark
            hold) in what way is it kept the same version? because it appears it
            prevents indeed from an 'apt-get upgrade' from touching
            it, but when I do 'apt-get install package' it still gets
            upgraded
           
         
        
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          1706 [11:35:50] <_KaszpiR_> use apt pin  
         
        
          1707 [11:36:06] <x8b30cc> petn-randall
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1711 [11:37:09] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Disk full maybe? "df
            -h"
           
         
        
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          1713 [11:37:39] <petn-randall> On second thought, that would give
            a different error.
           
         
        
          1714 [11:38:05] <x8b30cc> petn-randall used only 5%
           
         
        
          1715 [11:38:31] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: What does the output of
            "lsattr /etc/passwd" give you?
           
         
        
          1716 [11:38:52] <petn-randall> (you can paste the single line in
            chat)
           
         
        
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          1719 [11:39:01] <x8b30cc> petn-randall: -------------e--
            /etc/passwd
           
         
        
          1720 [11:39:38] <x8b30cc> coul be that caused by me removing root
            user login?
           
         
        
          1721 [11:39:54] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: How did you remove the
            root user?
           
         
        
          1722 [11:41:06] <x8b30cc> passwd -l root  
         
        
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          1727 [11:42:25] <x8b30cc> petn-randall i am not even able to sudo
            passwd root for unable access to /etc/passwd
           
         
        
          1728 [11:42:52] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: That only locks it, it
            *should* be ok. But since I've run out of ideas why it's
            failing, could you unlock root and try it again?
           
         
        
          1729 [11:43:35] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Is sudo properly set up,
            though?
           
         
        
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          1732 [11:45:08] <gry> jelly: re migrating from 32bit to 64bit, I
            would like a step by step tutorial;
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1736 [11:48:38] <x8b30cc> petn-randall i can't unlock root,
            because the same problem i think
           
         
        
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          1738 [11:49:04] <x8b30cc> when i try to sudo passwd rood i get
            error in auth token manipulation
           
         
        
          1739 [11:49:22] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: Argh. It's always a
            good idea to test sudo before locking root. Did you log your user
            out and back in again since you added it to sudo?
           
         
        
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          1743 [11:49:50] <x8b30cc> petn-randall i rebooted also many times
            since yesterday
           
         
        
          1744 [11:50:04] <gry> or if jelly is away, someone else please
            assist. thanks :)
           
         
        
          1745 [11:50:12] <x8b30cc> sudo seems to work properly
           
         
        
          1746 [11:50:24] <x8b30cc> and i am also able to sudo su
           
         
        
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          1750 [11:50:40] <petn-randall> x8b30cc: And 'id' then
            outputs that you're root?
           
         
        
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          1753 [11:51:04] <x8b30cc> petn-randall uid=0(root) gid=0(root)
            gruppi=0(root)
           
         
        
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          1755 [11:51:38] <petn-randall> gry: I recommend doing clean
            install. The migration from 32 to 64bit is not officially supported,
            and there are many steps to hose your system in obvious or –
            even worse – subtle ways that are hard to debug.
           
         
        
          1756 [11:51:48] <gry> ok  
         
        
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          1759 [11:52:18] <petn-randall> gry: So I'd backup all your
            important data, then do a stretch install on the system and restore
            your data again.
           
         
        
          1760 [11:54:36] <jim> gry, when I went from 32 to 64, I already
            had a sizable separate /home, and plenty of free space... so I just
            ran the 64b netinstsll
           
         
        
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          1762 [11:55:30] <jim> it's said to be really hard to cross
            that particular boundary
           
         
        
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          1764 [11:55:57] <jim> (having said that, I'm seen debian
            cross others)
           
         
        
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          1766 [11:56:16] <aqiank> Hi guys, I have a problem in my Upstart
            program. The program itself runs fine but when it calls
            `system("/usr/local/bin/foo")`, it complains that it
            cannot find it (e.g. sh: 1: /usr/local/bin/foo: not found). Does
            anyone know why?
           
         
        
          1767 [11:56:41] <aqiank> The foo program is in /usr/local/bin/foo
           
         
        
          1768 [11:57:08] <jim> is it a script?  
         
        
          1769 [11:57:12] <xand> check the #! line at the start of foo
           
         
        
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          1772 [11:57:36] <aqiank> and I execute my own program like
            "su -c /usr/local/bin/bar"
           
         
        
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          1774 [11:57:41] <aqiank> in the Upstart script
           
         
        
          1775 [11:57:50] <aqiank> It's a binary program
           
         
        
          1776 [11:57:56] <aqiank> Both of them are binaries
           
         
        
          1777 [11:58:33] <aqiank> I also tried putting it in /foo and use
            system("./foo")
           
         
        
          1778 [11:58:33] <jim> it could be missing lib, or missing linker
            (ld.so)
           
         
        
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          1782 [11:59:58] <jim> try running ldd on it
           
         
        
          1783 [12:00:28] <jim> see if any of the items it shows are missing
           
         
        
          1784 [12:00:55] <aqiank> I see, I'll check
           
         
        
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          1788 [12:01:28] <internot> i almost miss using Ms. Dos, i
            can't remember the last time i used a *.* wildcard
           
         
        
          1789 [12:01:37] <jim> if most of your other stuff works, I
            don't suspect missing ld.so
           
         
        
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          1798 [12:04:25] <gry> jim my /home is not separate, i'll have
            to ignore this problem and find a workaround, i'm a bit lazy.
            but i took some notes from here in case i need them later.
           
         
        
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          1802 [12:05:37] <jim> gry, if you decide you want to try it and
            you need a hand, see if I'm arount
           
         
        
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          1827 [12:16:16] <x8b30cc> the problem in the end is caused by:
            userdel speech-dispatcher
           
         
        
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          1830 [12:16:40] <x8b30cc> that gives me userdel: failure while
            writing changes to /etc/passwd
           
         
        
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          1842 [12:21:40] <gry> jim: yes, if only the reason was more
            worthwhile than installing skype! when it is, I will get in touch
            (for now I'm trying to convince Skype that using a webpage and
            firefox's mic and webcam access like a modern html5 app is a
            good idea)
           
         
        
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          1844 [12:24:24] <jim> I have to reboot... brb :)
           
         
        
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          1853 [12:30:46] <wipe> !ops wake up  
         
        
          1854 [12:30:47] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
            mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
            zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: wipe complains
            about: wake up
           
         
        
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          1856 [12:30:54] <wipe> !ops and don't forget to wipe your ass
           
         
        
          1857 [12:30:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
            mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
            zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: wipe complains
            about: and don't forget to wipe your ass
           
         
        
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          1860 [12:34:26] <wipe> !ops wipe your ass  
         
        
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            mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
            zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: wipe complains
            about: wipe your ass
           
         
        
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          1890 [12:51:51] <cronicx> Hey debian, i want to install a package
            through another repo, added in sources.list.d, seems ok. If i want
            to install - it only gives me another version from the official repo
            .. is there something like pinning? I checked the preferences and
            theres no pinning for this package defined.. seems strange
           
         
        
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          1892 [12:52:12] <towo^work> forget apt update?
           
         
        
          1893 [12:52:17] <cronicx> nope  
         
        
          1894 [12:52:36] <cronicx> in the apt-cache policy its visible
           
         
        
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          1896 [12:52:56] <cronicx> but candidate is still the outdatet
            version..
           
         
        
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          1899 [12:53:10] <towo^work> cronicx, then be more precise
           
         
        
          1900 [12:53:22] <jelly> !bat  
         
        
          1901 [12:53:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
            apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
            1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
            command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
            pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
            and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1902 [12:53:25] <jelly> cronicx: ^^  
         
        
          1903 [12:53:25] <towo^work> paste the output of apt-cahe policy
            package
           
         
        
          1904 [12:53:41] <cronicx> ok , sorry :) hold on
           
         
        
          1905 [12:54:12] <BenNZ> cronicx:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1907 [12:54:43] <cronicx> BenNZ: checked, nothin in there except a
            sysvinit pinning
           
         
        
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          1909 [12:55:53] <cronicx>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1911 [12:55:57] <cronicx> apt-get is coming
           
         
        
          1912 [12:56:04] <BenNZ> cronicx: that link will tell you how to
            add a package pin
           
         
        
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          1914 [12:56:59] <AN0NYM> you can install packages from another
            repo with "apt-get install -t <repo-name>
            <packages>" and they will be updates automatically with
            apt
           
         
        
          1915 [12:57:01] <cronicx> BenNZ: Ah yes, ok. But this should
            working without pinning.. there are like 100 installations that ive
            done so..
           
         
        
          1916 [12:57:03] <cronicx>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1918 [12:57:09] <cronicx> apt install paste
           
         
        
          1919 [12:57:21] <internot> apt eat paste  
         
        
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          1921 [12:57:21] <apt> That's too disgusting.
           
         
        
          1922 [12:57:25] <BenNZ> cronicx: not if there is a later version
            in the repo
           
         
        
          1923 [12:57:27] <towo^work> don't use ubuntu packages in
            debian!
           
         
        
          1924 [12:57:42] <cronicx> oh. sorry  
         
        
          1925 [12:57:43] <cronicx> wrong try :D  
         
        
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          1928 [12:59:34] <cronicx>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1929 [12:59:38] <cronicx> this should be the correct one
           
         
        
          1930 [12:59:40] <cronicx> with debmon sources..
           
         
        
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          1932 [13:00:39] <BenNZ> so youre wondering why the package with a
            pin of 990 will be installed over a package with a pin 500 ?
           
         
        
          1933 [13:00:51] <jelly> !localized errors  
         
        
          1934 [13:00:51] <dpkg> To provide command output in English
            instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one
            (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get
            -f install".
           
         
        
          1935 [13:00:53] <towo^work> look at your pinning of the regular
            repo
           
         
        
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          1937 [13:01:29] <jelly> cronicx: where's the output of
            "apt-cache policy"
           
         
        
          1938 [13:01:48] <cronicx> jelly: last paste first 7 lines
           
         
        
          1939 [13:01:51] <jelly> also, please use paste.debian.net if
            possible, or some other pastebin without ads
           
         
        
          1940 [13:01:53] <cronicx> oh mom  
         
        
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          1942 [13:02:15] <cronicx>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1943 [13:02:16] <cronicx> there it is  
         
        
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          1948 [13:02:58] <cronicx> Oh, pastebin is using ads? Sorry
           
         
        
          1949 [13:03:00] <cronicx> ^^  
         
        
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          1951 [13:03:34] <BluesKaj> Hey folks  
         
        
          1952 [13:03:56] <jelly> cronicx: you seem to have pinning or
            Default-Release set _somewhere_
           
         
        
          1953 [13:04:34] <jelly> cronicx: grep Default-Release
            /etc/apt/apt.conf{,.d/*}
           
         
        
          1954 [13:04:55] <BenNZ> for the non-free repo
           
         
        
          1955 [13:04:58] <cronicx> jelly: there it is.. >.<
           
         
        
          1956 [13:05:00] <cronicx>
            /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default-release:APT::Default-Release
            "jessie";
           
         
        
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          1958 [13:05:17] <jelly> cronicx: and since that debmon repo uses
            n=debmon-jessie instead of n=jessie, it doesn't get matched
           
         
        
          1959 [13:05:18] <BenNZ> sorry there are others
           
         
        
          1960 [13:05:30] <jelly> cronicx: (as seen in "apt-cache
            policy")
           
         
        
          1961 [13:05:41] <cronicx> jelly: thank you so much. I didnt
            noticed this in cache policy
           
         
        
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          1963 [13:06:01] <jelly> that's why the bots asks for all that
            stuff
           
         
        
          1964 [13:06:03] <cronicx> and didnt checked apt.conf.d :x
           
         
        
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          1966 [13:06:09] <cronicx> makes sense.  
         
        
          1967 [13:07:02] <jelly> if you only have repos for jessie enabled,
            there's technically no reason to pin the release that way at
            all
           
         
        
          1968 [13:07:18] <jelly> if you mix jessie and something newer...
            you shouldn't :-)
           
         
        
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          1973 [13:09:04] <cronicx> jelly: I am not using this normally. It
            is a somehwat "managed" server, with custom
            installations.. no comment :9
           
         
        
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          1975 [13:09:48] <jelly> it's... probably not managed very
            well
           
         
        
          1976 [13:09:51] <cronicx> :D  
         
        
          1977 [13:09:56] <cronicx> Thats the point..
           
         
        
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          1979 [13:10:37] <cronicx> But thats not my department.. They
            wanted icinga2, there it is :-)
           
         
        
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          1981 [13:11:14] <coke> what did you want?  
         
        
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          1996 [13:19:20] <AciD`> ok so, once again, I'm trying to
            install a fresh debian (netinst) on a computer via an usb key, and
            it chockes on the "detect and mount cd" step, where it
            does not find a cd, since there is none
           
         
        
          1997 [13:19:29] <AciD`> how can you get around something that
            simple?
           
         
        
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          1999 [13:19:49] <AciD`> I tried going to the console and type
            `mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /cdrom`, to no avail
           
         
        
          2000 [13:20:11] <AciD`> note: I created the usb key using dd
           
         
        
          2001 [13:22:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1700
           
         
        
          2002 [13:22:37] <BluesKaj> AciD`, do you have your usb boot option
            turned on in the uefi/bios?
           
         
        
          2003 [13:23:08] <AciD`> BluesKaj -> I guess so, since I can see
            the install menu, and from there I launched `graphical install`
           
         
        
          2004 [13:23:25] <AciD`> according to google, there are tons of
            people having the exact same problem
           
         
        
          2005 [13:23:34] <AciD`> unfortunately for me, none of the given
            solution works
           
         
        
          2006 [13:23:41] <jelly> AciD`: how did you write the usb stick?
           
         
        
          2007 [13:23:58] <AciD`> jelly -> <AciD`> note: I created
            the usb key using dd
           
         
        
          2008 [13:24:08] <AciD`> without any special options
           
         
        
          2009 [13:24:11] <BluesKaj> ahh, suggest you use the plain install,
            it's the old test methos and it still works , the gui option
            failed for me too.
           
         
        
          2010 [13:24:16] <AciD`> just if= of=  
         
        
          2011 [13:24:19] <jelly> AciD`: on linux?  
         
        
          2012 [13:24:31] <AciD`> yep, on my other debian :)
           
         
        
          2013 [13:24:33] <BluesKaj> method  
         
        
          2014 [13:24:34] <AciD`> (testing)  
         
        
          2015 [13:24:36] <jelly> AciD`: what was the exact command line?
           
         
        
          2016 [13:25:00] <BluesKaj> gawd test=text  
         
        
          2017 [13:25:05] <AciD`> dd
            if=/home/acid/iso/2017-06-05/debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso
            of=/dev/sdf
           
         
        
          2018 [13:26:02] <jelly> that seems fine, but sometimes not all the
            data is written with dd (if you unplug the stick too quickly)
           
         
        
          2019 [13:26:14] <jelly> cp seems to be a bit more reliable
           
         
        
          2020 [13:26:16] <AciD`> jelly -> I checked that, no blinking
            led
           
         
        
          2021 [13:26:40] <AciD`> BluesKaj -> I just tried the plain
            install, still the same no cd-rom detected problem
           
         
        
          2022 [13:26:55] <AciD`> this is crazy, I remember having the exact
            same problem 10 years ago, at least :(
           
         
        
          2023 [13:27:09] <AciD`> (on different hardware, obviously ;x)
           
         
        
          2024 [13:27:17] <jelly> exact same symptom, not necessarily exact
            same issue
           
         
        
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          2026 [13:27:30] <AciD`> well, still a bummer
           
         
        
          2027 [13:27:51] <AciD`> this debian I'm currently on, I had
            to debootstrap it from another distro using chroot
           
         
        
          2028 [13:28:10] <AciD`> then it was a *pleasure* to install the
            needed package to make it run correctly ;o
           
         
        
          2029 [13:28:10] <BluesKaj> think the image you chose may be at
            fault, find the image meant for usb not cd/dvd
           
         
        
          2030 [13:28:18] <AciD`> I'm not doing that on that laptop!
           
         
        
          2031 [13:28:40] <AciD`> well, I used the netinst like provided for
            the normal sized usb
           
         
        
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          2033 [13:28:46] <AciD`> can't go wrong with that
           
         
        
          2034 [13:29:20] <AciD`> on this page :
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2036 [13:29:29] <AciD`> this link :
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2037 [13:29:47] <AciD`> (the amd64 on under "Small CDs or USB
            sticks"
           
         
        
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          2039 [13:30:04] <jelly> BluesKaj: all netinst images are for both
            usb and cd/dvd
           
         
        
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          2042 [13:31:18] <BluesKaj> yeah , that should work...
           
         
        
          2043 [13:31:26] <BluesKaj> that's what i used
           
         
        
          2044 [13:31:27] <AciD`> I'm confused because either I'm
            the unluckiest guy trying to install debians for years, or then, how
            come such a critical bug pass QA? :o
           
         
        
          2045 [13:32:05] <AciD`> `mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /cdrom` returns
            "failed: Invalid argument" :/
           
         
        
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          2047 [13:32:38] <BluesKaj> ?? cdrom  
         
        
          2048 [13:33:02] <ElKaktus> a cdrom filesystem isnt vfat
           
         
        
          2049 [13:33:14] <ElKaktus> try mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdb1 /cdrom
           
         
        
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          2051 [13:33:19] <AciD`> ElKaktus -> the key is
           
         
        
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          2053 [13:33:38] <ElKaktus> its a usb key ?
           
         
        
          2054 [13:33:40] <AciD`> > /cdrom is the target, not an iso9660
            one
           
         
        
          2055 [13:33:46] <ElKaktus> ok i see  
         
        
          2056 [13:33:48] <ElKaktus> sorry  
         
        
          2057 [13:33:54] <AciD`> no problem  
         
        
          2058 [13:34:12] <AciD`> I'm tired and I should not have tried
            to install Debian at 1:30 am I guess
           
         
        
          2059 [13:34:12] <AciD`> :)  
         
        
          2060 [13:35:06] <AciD`> expert mode allows me to choose each step
            separatedly, but still can't get past the detect cd-rom step :/
           
         
        
          2061 [13:35:23] <Guest52458> with dd why it's sdf ?
           
         
        
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          2065 [13:36:18] <AciD`> ..because I have lots of hdd in my other
            computer :)
           
         
        
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          2067 [13:36:57] <AciD`> ah!  
         
        
          2068 [13:37:01] <AciD`> expert mode saved me
           
         
        
          2069 [13:37:03] <AciD`> so  
         
        
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          2072 [13:37:26] <BluesKaj> Guest52458, it's probly what fdisk
            -l or df -h outputs
           
         
        
          2073 [13:37:30] <AciD`> the install chockes on the detect cd-rom,
            which is dumb since it's an iso made for a usb key, but oh well
           
         
        
          2074 [13:37:51] <AciD`> so you first need to choose
            'none' for the cdrom module it then propose you
           
         
        
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          2076 [13:38:13] <AciD`> then it shows you the default path to the
            cd-rom '/dev/cdrom'
           
         
        
          2077 [13:38:27] <AciD`> from there you just need to replace it
            with /dev/sdb1 or whatever
           
         
        
          2078 [13:38:28] <BluesKaj> sorry, but the /cdrom in the =command
            confuses me
           
         
        
          2079 [13:38:28] <AciD`> phew  
         
        
          2080 [13:38:36] <AciD`> this is really user friendly.
           
         
        
          2081 [13:39:22] <AciD`> BluesKaj -> well, with busybox you can
            see when you use the terminal that it use the old folder structure
            by default, with /cdrom instead of the new(ish) /media/cdrom
           
         
        
          2082 [13:40:01] <AciD`> well now I'm in expert mode and I
            need to chose each component myself ;o
           
         
        
          2083 [13:40:19] <BluesKaj> think it's time the nomenclature
            was reviewed
           
         
        
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          2085 [13:41:40] <AciD`> it's time a usb install does not
            bother detecting a cd-rom.
           
         
        
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          2087 [13:42:01] <glick> ih  
         
        
          2088 [13:42:09] <glick> wow, something strange just happened with
            my machine
           
         
        
          2089 [13:42:22] <glick> i was watching a video via tor, when the
            entire machine froze
           
         
        
          2090 [13:42:35] <dob1> hi, I have an hdd where it is installed
            debian jessie, I just the root partition of this hdd I am not
            running the debian system instelled on it. Can I know in some way
            the packages installed on this debian system?
           
         
        
          2091 [13:42:41] <glick> i could not switch virtual desktops, or to
            virtual terminals
           
         
        
          2092 [13:42:43] <dob1> *mount  
         
        
          2093 [13:42:48] <glick> could not move the mouse
           
         
        
          2094 [13:43:09] <glick> i hit alt-ctrl f1-f2 and then the machine
            just rebooted
           
         
        
          2095 [13:43:11] <AciD`> dob1 -> you can chroot to it and find
            out
           
         
        
          2096 [13:43:22] <glick> is there anyway i can see what caused
            that?
           
         
        
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          2098 [13:44:44] <dob1> AciD`, I take a look, I never used chroot
           
         
        
          2099 [13:45:10] <AciD`> it's pretty straightforward
           
         
        
          2100 [13:45:23] <AciD`> mount /dev/sdxy /mnt/debian
           
         
        
          2101 [13:45:28] <ElKaktus> glick> /var/log/messages ?
           
         
        
          2102 [13:45:34] <ElKaktus> glick> or dmesg
           
         
        
          2103 [13:45:38] <AciD`> chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash
           
         
        
          2104 [13:46:20] <AciD`> ah and before doing chroot, do `for i in
            dev dev/pts sys proc run; do sudo mount --rbind /$i /mnt/debian/$i;
            done`
           
         
        
          2105 [13:46:30] <AciD`> gn  
         
        
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          2107 [13:46:41] <dob1> AciD`, i need to mount the home partition
            too?
           
         
        
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          2109 [13:47:02] <AciD`> you do not need to if you just want to use
            the 'root' account
           
         
        
          2110 [13:47:11] <glick> i see nothing strange in them
           
         
        
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          2112 [13:48:00] <glick> its weird because i was watching a online
            video
           
         
        
          2113 [13:48:07] <ElKaktus> glick> may be a hardware problem ?
            memory ? cpu ?
           
         
        
          2114 [13:48:17] <glick> and the video got stuck and kept repeating
            the last two seconds
           
         
        
          2115 [13:48:22] <glick> but everything else was stuck
           
         
        
          2116 [13:48:46] <ElKaktus> it's the first time it happens ?
           
         
        
          2117 [13:48:54] <dob1> AciD`, thanks  
         
        
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          2138 [14:01:25] <Aebian> this moment when windows freezes while
            trying to go to end of file on a 720mb oracle sql file... good that
            my debian machine doesn't care and can load it and go to the
            end
           
         
        
          2139 [14:01:38] <Aebian> weird  
         
        
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          2167 [14:12:09] <unborn> releases  
         
        
          2168 [14:12:56] <unborn> - does anyone have info when freeze
            becomes live? - thanks
           
         
        
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          2170 [14:13:07] <AlexPortable> How can I prevent an user from
            wiping out his .bash_history file?
           
         
        
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          2172 [14:13:37] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: You can't.
           
         
        
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          2176 [14:13:55] <petn-randall> !tell unborn about wwsr
           
         
        
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          2178 [14:14:41] <unborn> thanks pent! cannot wait and counting the
            days :)
           
         
        
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          2180 [14:15:16] <AlexPortable> thanks  
         
        
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          2236 [14:42:44] <AlexPortable> What would be the best way to run a
            process as an user, and then disable logging in on that user?
           
         
        
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          2238 [14:43:51] <petemc> passwd -l  
         
        
          2239 [14:44:09] <petemc> or change their shell with chsh
           
         
        
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          2242 [14:45:15] <AlexPortable> will that still keep the process
            running?
           
         
        
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          2244 [14:45:59] <petemc> yes  
         
        
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          2248 [14:46:39] <webmind> hello, I'm testing a debian 9
            installation. I screwed up my partitioning, but how do I remove
            encrypted partitions?
           
         
        
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          2250 [14:46:54] <webmind> I can't find an option to do so
           
         
        
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          2269 [14:56:12] <webmind> switching to guided partitioning results
            in lots of errors
           
         
        
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          2272 [14:57:38] <BluesKaj> webmind, manual partitioning gives more
            options/flexiabilty
           
         
        
          2273 [14:57:46] <webmind> BluesKaj: yes  
         
        
          2274 [14:58:03] <webmind> but I see no option there to remove my
            encrypted partitions
           
         
        
          2275 [14:58:31] <webmind> I could reboot and restart the installer
           
         
        
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          2277 [14:58:36] <webmind> but this seems maybe broken?
           
         
        
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          2283 [14:59:23] <webmind> would be crap to have a broken installer
            when it's released no?
           
         
        
          2284 [14:59:32] <BluesKaj> webmind, dunno, never needed to encrypt
            any partitions, being a home user
           
         
        
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          2288 [15:00:08] <webmind> BluesKaj: I'm a home user
           
         
        
          2289 [15:00:11] <jelly> webmind: stupid way: switch to shell,
            Ctrl-Alt-F2, wipe beginning and end (say, 1MiB) of the target disk
            drive, reboot and run installer again
           
         
        
          2290 [15:00:35] <webmind> jelly: just restarting the installer
            probably works
           
         
        
          2291 [15:00:38] <jelly> if you have any other partitions and os
            installations on this disk, don't do that
           
         
        
          2292 [15:01:01] <webmind> but I'm suspecting the installer to
            be missing a crucial feature
           
         
        
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          2295 [15:01:11] <webmind> wondering if that shouldn't be
            fixed before the release?
           
         
        
          2296 [15:01:50] <jelly> webmind: going steps back in the installer
            does not clean all the partman state
           
         
        
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          2298 [15:02:07] <jelly> (partman is the compoment that does
            guided/manual partitioning)
           
         
        
          2299 [15:02:37] <jelly> if there's a way to really restart
            the installer, sure, try that
           
         
        
          2300 [15:02:46] <webmind> jelly: I can reboot the machine
           
         
        
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          2302 [15:03:04] <webmind> but shouldn't there be a way to
            remove the partitions in the installer?
           
         
        
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          2305 [15:03:25] <jelly> webmind: there should. There is, but the
            interface is a bit clunky.
           
         
        
          2306 [15:03:34] <webmind> jelly: where is it?
           
         
        
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          2308 [15:03:57] <jelly> I can't point it out over irc,
            because... it's clunky
           
         
        
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          2310 [15:04:13] <jelly> s/can't/can't be bothered/
            really
           
         
        
          2311 [15:04:51] <webmind> yikes  
         
        
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          2314 [15:05:07] <webmind> now I managed to remove the partitions,
            while the encrypted volumes are still configured
           
         
        
          2315 [15:05:10] <jelly> so it's simpler both to tell you to
            wipe the partition table in shell and reboot, than click back and
            forth in partman until you find the right thing
           
         
        
          2316 [15:05:23] <jelly> for* both of* us*  
         
        
          2317 [15:05:23] <webmind> trying to configure the encrypted
            volume, it tries to configure it on /dev/sda
           
         
        
          2318 [15:05:33] <jelly> it's fun isn't it?
           
         
        
          2319 [15:05:44] <webmind> jelly: well, except that wouldn't
            solve my problem
           
         
        
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          2321 [15:05:50] <webmind> which is trying to do it in the proper
            way
           
         
        
          2322 [15:06:11] <jelly> you can do it the proper way, but
            it's easy to get lost doing that
           
         
        
          2323 [15:06:30] <unborn> webmind: what you mean in proper way...
            jelly just gave you proper way....
           
         
        
          2324 [15:06:43] <jelly> no, I gave them a workaround
           
         
        
          2325 [15:07:16] <jelly> "wipe partition manually from shell
            and reboot" is hardly proper :-)
           
         
        
          2326 [15:07:19] <unborn> .le me re-read  
         
        
          2327 [15:07:28] <jelly> partition table*  
         
        
          2328 [15:07:31] <webmind> I would agree :)
           
         
        
          2329 [15:07:47] <webmind> heh  
         
        
          2330 [15:07:58] <webmind> now it lets me create partition tables
            on an encrypted device
           
         
        
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          2332 [15:08:09] <webmind> which has no partition behind it
           
         
        
          2333 [15:08:25] <jelly> but the installer ui for partitioning is
            clumsy. I haven't tried stretch yet, but I did try jessie
            recently on my laptop for fun, and I got into a similar messy state
            with partman
           
         
        
          2334 [15:08:43] <webmind> but should it be released like this?
           
         
        
          2335 [15:08:54] <jelly> wel... it's not worse than it was
            before
           
         
        
          2336 [15:09:02] <webmind> :(  
         
        
          2337 [15:09:14] <webmind> it seems quite broken
           
         
        
          2338 [15:10:06] <jelly> partman's state of physical volumes
            used for luks and volume groups and layering leaves something to be
            desired
           
         
        
          2339 [15:10:32] <jelly> anaconda (RHEL/CentOS installer) UI is a
            bit more sane, but not much
           
         
        
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          2344 [15:13:14] <BluesKaj> never saw the point of encrypting
            partitions , perhaps some sensitve files, but not partitions as a
            home user. I guess being an old windows user experiencing the
            difference in security on linux made me think I've been safe
            from attack on many levels compared to windows.
           
         
        
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          2346 [15:13:49] <jelly> never experienced a break-in, have you
           
         
        
          2347 [15:14:10] <jelly> windows has bitlocker now and it's a
            lot more friendly
           
         
        
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          2349 [15:14:53] <BluesKaj> experinced dos attack from an irate irc
            user in russia who treid to steal my nick
           
         
        
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          2351 [15:15:29] <BluesKaj> but he wasn't successful, never
            did figure out why he came after me
           
         
        
          2352 [15:15:44] <webmind> BluesKaj: I wouldn't to have to
            think about each file whether it's sensitive
           
         
        
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          2356 [15:16:05] <jelly> when you have cpu support for aes,
            it's almost free
           
         
        
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          2358 [15:16:11] <webmind> yep  
         
        
          2359 [15:16:23] <webmind> so easiest to just have it
           
         
        
          2360 [15:16:26] <BluesKaj> not each file I'm talking about
            personal data etc
           
         
        
          2361 [15:16:46] <jelly> so why not use it, maybe the machine will
            never get stolen, maybe it will, one less thing to worry in any case
           
         
        
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          2365 [15:17:22] <webmind> I've had my machine stolen before
           
         
        
          2366 [15:17:44] <BluesKaj> how many users who steal pc know
            anything abouty linux , chances are 1 in a 100
           
         
        
          2367 [15:17:58] <BluesKaj> pcs  
         
        
          2368 [15:18:00] <kwizart> hello, anyone known for which arches the
            defaut bootloader is grub ?
           
         
        
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          2370 [15:18:07] <kwizart> on deb8+  
         
        
          2371 [15:18:15] <kwizart> (or even grub2)  
         
        
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          2374 [15:19:29] <CuSn> Quick Question, Sudo on Jessie has a
            security update. How do i upgrade the sudo package without upgrading
            all the other packages at the sane time. "apt-get upgrade"
            does ALL the packages on the system. i definitely don't want to
            do that.
           
         
        
          2375 [15:19:40] <CuSn> *same  
         
        
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          2377 [15:19:59] <BluesKaj> and if you use a decent login pwd,
            chances are even fewer that he'll guess it
           
         
        
          2378 [15:20:02] <webmind> BluesKaj: 1% is high enough, for me,
            it's irrelevant though.
           
         
        
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          2380 [15:20:39] <BluesKaj> now you have a problem webmind due to
            encrypting a partition
           
         
        
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          2382 [15:21:51] <BluesKaj> it's my pov ...encrypt if you must
            but make sure you know how to remove it first
           
         
        
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          2385 [15:22:27] <webmind> BluesKaj: due to encrypting a partition
            or a broken partman? :)
           
         
        
          2386 [15:22:29] <webmind> I know how  
         
        
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          2388 [15:22:37] <webmind> I'm trying to test the usability of
            partman
           
         
        
          2389 [15:22:53] <BluesKaj> well, have fun  
         
        
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          2392 [15:23:29] <Lina16> hi  
         
        
          2393 [15:23:32] <webmind> lo  
         
        
          2394 [15:23:44] <Lina16> I need to share folder in KVM
           
         
        
          2395 [15:23:46] <Lina16> Help plz  
         
        
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          2399 [15:24:36] <Lina16> friends?  
         
        
          2400 [15:25:24] <hwangbj> Hello~  
         
        
          2401 [15:25:26] * webmind doesn't use kvm  
         
        
          2402 [15:25:34] <jelly> Lina16: which side of kvm is debian?
            guest? host? both? What do you want to share and with whom?
           
         
        
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          2406 [15:26:02] <Lina16> host - mint based ubuntu based debian
           
         
        
          2407 [15:26:13] <Lina16> gues - debian  
         
        
          2408 [15:26:45] <Lina16> need to share folder
           
         
        
          2409 [15:26:47] <jelly> consider using sshfs, it's not the
            fastest but it's the safest, and it usually works on any server
            that has openssh server installed
           
         
        
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          2411 [15:27:10] <jelly> or some other sftp client (like
            /usr/bin/sftp, or filezilla)
           
         
        
          2412 [15:27:27] <Lina16> friends?  
         
        
          2413 [15:28:01] <dionysus69> for example acronis has an ability to
            clone vhd to hard drive, does clonezilla have such ability to clone
            either VDI, VMDK or VHD to hard drive?
           
         
        
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          2415 [15:28:16] <dionysus69> if yes can anyone point me to an
            article because I couldnt find it through google :\
           
         
        
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          2417 [15:28:39] <jelly> Lina16: consider using sshfs, it's
            not the fastest but it's the safest, and it usually works on
            any server that has openssh server installed
           
         
        
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          2419 [15:31:47] <Lina16> please  
         
        
          2420 [15:32:00] <Lina16> no need sshfs  
         
        
          2421 [15:32:02] <jelly> please what?  
         
        
          2422 [15:32:10] <Lina16> see
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2423 [15:32:11] <jelly> what's wrong with it?
           
         
        
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          2431 [15:36:09] <cronicx> Hey guys, in an .deb file, there is a
            control data for depencys. Is it possible to generate a deb file for
            wheezy and jessie? Because the .deb that i created installs the
            depencys only in jessie.
           
         
        
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          2440 [15:37:48] <Lina16> help please!  
         
        
          2441 [15:38:29] <jelly> !ask  
         
        
          2442 [15:38:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
            example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
            version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
            expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
            anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
            volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
            an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
            See <smart questions><errors>.
           
         
        
          2443 [15:38:46] <jelly> Lina16: be more specific if you can,
            please.
           
         
        
          2444 [15:39:15] <Lina16> host - mint based ubuntu based debian
           
         
        
          2445 [15:39:19] <Lina16> gues - debian  
         
        
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          2447 [15:39:54] <Lina16> need to share folder like in VBox
           
         
        
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          2454 [15:43:07] <jelly> Lina16: and what happened when you tried
            configuring it like suggested on that web page?
           
         
        
          2455 [15:43:44] <Lina16> I not tried  
         
        
          2456 [15:43:57] <Lina16> I not see this tab in GUI
           
         
        
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          2458 [15:44:14] <Lina16> Filesystem  
         
        
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          2476 [15:53:47] <jhutchins_wk> !mint  
         
        
          2477 [15:53:48] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not
            supported in #debian. Please use their forums at
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2478 [15:54:35] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: yes we know mint is not
            debian
           
         
        
          2479 [15:54:43] <jelly> debian, however, is debian
           
         
        
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          2482 [15:56:26] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Ah, I see debian guest.
           
         
        
          2483 [15:56:37] <jhutchins_wk> What hypervisor, assuming it's
            NOT vbox?
           
         
        
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          2488 [15:57:47] <colo-work> stretch doesn't have secure boot
            support in the same way that ubuntu and fedore have, right?
           
         
        
          2489 [15:57:50] <colo-work> fedora*  
         
        
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          2493 [15:59:29] <jhutchins_wk> colo-work: Secure Boot was
            developed specifically to prevent people from running Linux.
           
         
        
          2494 [16:01:06] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: I wouldn't go
            that far with the statement.
           
         
        
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          2497 [16:01:57] <petn-randall> colo-work: secure boot is not a
            release goal, meaning the release won't be postponed for it to
            finish. It'll likely be supported with a later point release,
            though.
           
         
        
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          2500 [16:02:50] <colo-work> petn-randall, thanks
           
         
        
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          2560 [16:27:14] <Ney> Hi, I got an old NAS server running Wheezy
            (in some sort of emdedded version), and the userinterface reports
            that 95% of root is used. which seems rather unusual. Is there an
            easy way (CLI) to troubleshoot this?
           
         
        
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          2563 [16:28:45] <colo-work> du -chx / | sort -h
           
         
        
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          2568 [16:30:21] <_KaszpiR_> probably logs and cache
           
         
        
          2569 [16:30:46] <_KaszpiR_> you may be interested in ncdu package
           
         
        
          2570 [16:30:53] <_KaszpiR_> (if available, though)
           
         
        
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          2574 [16:32:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1724
           
         
        
          2575 [16:32:16] <jelly> or du -x / > du-x-root.$(date -I); sort
            -n < du-x-root.$(date -I) | tail -40
           
         
        
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          2577 [16:33:12] <jelly> (why a temporary file? Because that du may
            take very long and avoiding to run a second time to explore more
            details may be beneficial)
           
         
        
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          2581 [16:34:08] <frostschutz> mkdir /mnt/root, mount --bind /
            /mnt/root, ncdu /mnt/root -- finds hidden files under other mounts,
            which -x skips
           
         
        
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          2587 [16:36:41] <Ney> think the first might be a clue
           
         
        
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          2590 [16:36:55] <Ney> somehow my squeezebox stores 1.8gb in
            artwork o.O
           
         
        
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          2598 [16:38:39] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: The goals of secure
            boot changed, it was originally meant to lock systems down to
            Windows only.
           
         
        
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          2640 [17:03:33] <choice> Hello! Where on the disk is the Gnome
            trashcan for root?
           
         
        
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          2645 [17:04:23] <fatalerrors> i know it's not the subject but
            i must act:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2650 [17:05:53] <Ney> Thanks for the tips, think it did the trick,
            silly apps that makes a mess....
           
         
        
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          2659 [17:07:30] <SerajewelKS> choice: a better question is why are
            you running a graphical environment as root :/
           
         
        
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          2662 [17:08:15] <fatalerrors> SerajewelKS: a so good question :)
           
         
        
          2663 [17:08:19] <peterandre> hello  
         
        
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          2667 [17:08:56] <peterandre> i'm posting php variables to
            bash scripting (this works ) but when i use the script it won't
            let me use useradd $username
           
         
        
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          2669 [17:09:11] <peterandre> what would be the best one liner
            option for this
           
         
        
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          2679 [17:13:56] <SerajewelKS> peterandre: it's hard to say
            without your code. likely the problem is that you are not root.
           
         
        
          2680 [17:14:08] <peterandre> yea  
         
        
          2681 [17:14:16] <peterandre> it uses admin
           
         
        
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          2683 [17:14:42] <choice> *phew* i found it :)
           
         
        
          2684 [17:14:44] <petn-randall> peterandre: You should take a step
            back and think hard about the problem if your solution is to run PHP
            code as root.
           
         
        
          2685 [17:14:45] <choice> /mnt/myexternaldisk/.Trash-0/
           
         
        
          2686 [17:15:03] <petn-randall> choice: Why are you running Gnome
            as root in the first place?
           
         
        
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          2688 [17:15:39] <choice> petn-randall: Because I like it.
           
         
        
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          2692 [17:15:58] <choice> What is the stuff in the info/ folder of
            the trash?
           
         
        
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          2696 [17:16:43] <peterandre> i see, im trying to add a user with
            useradd from php posted variables.. im using
            putenv("USERNAME=$username");
           
         
        
          2697 [17:16:43] <peterandre> and
            putenv("PASSWORD=$password"); to post the variables . then
            $cmd = './test.sh';
           
         
        
          2698 [17:16:43] <peterandre> echo
            "<br><br>";
           
         
        
          2699 [17:16:44] <peterandre> $output = exec($cmd); to run the
            script
           
         
        
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          2705 [17:17:08] <petn-randall> choice: Are you running Parrot?
           
         
        
          2706 [17:17:14] <SerajewelKS> choice: you can do what you want,
            but running a graphical environment as root is extremely dangerous
           
         
        
          2707 [17:17:30] <petn-randall> *not supported.
           
         
        
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          2709 [17:17:36] <SerajewelKS> that too  
         
        
          2710 [17:17:45] <choice> Hmm.. info/ is trash related metadata.
           
         
        
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          2712 [17:18:05] <petn-randall> choice: Are you running Kali or
            Parrot?
           
         
        
          2713 [17:18:15] <choice> petn-randall: Nope.
           
         
        
          2714 [17:18:25] <choice> petn-randall: What are those?
           
         
        
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          2716 [17:18:49] <petn-randall> choice: Distros where people tend
            to run everything as root due to not knowing better.
           
         
        
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          2718 [17:20:01] <SerajewelKS> nothing says "please pwn my
            box" like running a web browser as a privileged user
           
         
        
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          2725 [17:20:32] <petn-randall> ... with Adobe Flash :)
           
         
        
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          2734 [17:22:53] <tw> What do other people use to keep chromium
            addons up to date if the addon is not in apt?
           
         
        
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          2737 [17:23:28] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Just use the internal
            mechanism.
           
         
        
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          2739 [17:23:45] <jhutchins_wk> tw: It should notify you if there
            are updates.
           
         
        
          2740 [17:25:57] <tw> Oh, weird, last time I tried this, it
            wouldn't let me install addons from the chrome store but it
            works properly now.
           
         
        
          2741 [17:26:01] <tw> This is much better.  
         
        
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          2749 [17:30:15] <prompt32> Hello. I have a debian8/i386 system. My
            question is, if i can update this to an amd64 arch, without the need
            of reinstall .
           
         
        
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          2766 [17:34:22] <petn-randall> prompt32: There is, but it's
            super hacky, and it's very easy to hose your system at any of
            those steps. The safer and better approach is to backup your data
            and do a clean 64bit stretch install.
           
         
        
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          2768 [17:34:57] <jhutchins_wk> prompt32: I did that recently and
            ended up doing a clean install instead.
           
         
        
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          2773 [17:36:06] <prompt32> thanks both, my logic seems to think
            the same, .... ;)
           
         
        
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          2817 [17:49:27] <donofrio> is CrossGrading (replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          2831 [17:56:26] <donofrio> does anyone crossgrade?
           
         
        
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          2833 [17:56:56] <tw> donofrio: that will probably only work from
            x86 -> amd64; note it says you must be running a kernel that
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          2846 [18:00:35] <kolnpole> latest chrome version is not working?
           
         
        
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          2850 [18:01:04] <kolnpole> i can load urls in indigo mode but in
            normal mode nothing works
           
         
        
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          2853 [18:01:48] <petn-randall> kolnpole: Chrome from Google? Or
            Chromium from the Debian repos?
           
         
        
          2854 [18:01:59] <kolnpole> chrome from google
           
         
        
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          2856 [18:02:05] <donofrio> tw, I'm just after the packages
            don't want or need the kernel
           
         
        
          2857 [18:02:29] <petn-randall> kolnpole: I'd guess that one
            of your plugins is breaking it, since they're by default off in
            incognito mode.
           
         
        
          2858 [18:02:29] <kolnpole> google-chrome-stable (59.0.3071.86-1)
           
         
        
          2859 [18:02:43] <kolnpole> chromium is working fine
           
         
        
          2860 [18:03:01] <petn-randall> kolnpole: Also, what do you mean
            exactly with "nothing works"? Try to describe the problem.
           
         
        
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          2863 [18:03:55] <tw> donofrio: x86 kernel can't run amd64
            packages. If you just want the list of packages, maybe apt-mark
            showmanual instead?
           
         
        
          2864 [18:04:10] <kolnpole> loads url for ever and i cant even see
            any thing loading on left bottom corner .. like exteblishing
            connections , resolving host etc
           
         
        
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          2866 [18:05:23] <kolnpole> but switching to incognito makes it to
            start work i can load urls etc
           
         
        
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          2873 [18:07:07] <petn-randall> kolnpole: I see. Try deactivating
            all extensions then and see if it works then.
           
         
        
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          2877 [18:08:49] <kolnpole> i also thought about extansions when it
            stoped working but no luck
           
         
        
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          2881 [18:10:05] <kolnpole> its just creating alot of processes
            which doesnt terminate after chrome is closes what is nacl_helper?
           
         
        
          2882 [18:10:31] <kolnpole> and the processes have status of
            sleeping and zombie lol
           
         
        
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          2914 [18:29:12] <eyJhb> I have a debian jessie server, which has
            huge packets that drops, when I ping it (around 10%). I've
            tried differen ethernet cards, and checked that the drivers are
            correct, but still a huge packet drop. Pinged 2 others servers at
            the same time, with 0 packet loss. Same switch, internal network..
            Any ideas?
           
         
        
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          2925 [18:34:38] <tripkin> Have you checked the cables?
           
         
        
          2926 [18:34:50] <tripkin> eyJhb, ^^^^  
         
        
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          2928 [18:35:48] <c0def4ce> hey guys could anyone recommend a way
            to use a USB dongle for texts/possibly calls as well? I'm
            running Kali, sorry - pretty much a n00b out here -.-
           
         
        
          2929 [18:36:42] <petn-randall> !kali  
         
        
          2930 [18:36:42] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url 
           
         
        
          2931 [18:36:49] <petn-randall> c0def4ce: Try asking in their
            channel. ^^^
           
         
        
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          2933 [18:37:12] <jhutchins_wk> donofrio: It's probably best
            to install a clean base system and add stuff as you need it.
           
         
        
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          2936 [18:37:32] <jhutchins_wk> donofrio: You could also work from
            a manual list - read entries, add the ones you know you need.
           
         
        
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          2939 [18:38:31] <c0def4ce> petn-randall it was my second resort -
            I thought their might be a fork or something from the debian repo,
            although I can't pick nothing up on Git
           
         
        
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          2943 [18:39:09] <petn-randall> c0def4ce: Yes, Kali is a fork from
            Debian. And has it's own support channel.
           
         
        
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          2945 [18:39:42] <donofrio> jhutchins_wk, so a migration from one
            arch type to another is not something that anyone does here?
            I'm only talking about packages not kernel objects...just sayin
           
         
        
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          2947 [18:39:48] <petn-randall> * its  
         
        
          2948 [18:40:27] <kolnpole> can i import bookmarks and settings
            from chrome to chromium?
           
         
        
          2949 [18:40:27] <donofrio> jhutchins_wk, what if you have a 32 bit
            system and you buy a 64 bit system how would you migrate that
            package setup from one arch type to the new arch type fresh system?
           
         
        
          2950 [18:40:38] <c0def4ce> I'll hit their channel up, thanks
            man
           
         
        
          2951 [18:40:44] <jhutchins_wk> donofrio: You don't want to
            blindly copy over packages that might be architecture specific, you
            have a chance to loose cruft you installed but don't use.
           
         
        
          2952 [18:40:49] <kolnpole> cuz i onlu see option of importing from
            firefox
           
         
        
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          2955 [18:42:13] <jhutchins_wk> kolnpole: Use a compatible file
            format for the export.
           
         
        
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          2958 [18:43:11] <jhutchins_wk> donofrio: I recently did that (was
            actually running 32b on 64b hardware). I tried the crosgrade process
            and ended up with a lot of broken packages, so I did a clean
            install.
           
         
        
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          2966 [18:47:01] <tripkin> kolnpole, they read the same info, so
            you could copy the profile from one to the other. Works fine
           
         
        
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          2985 [18:55:39] <dionysus69> when I cloned my virtual machine
            debian jessie to a hard drive, I got system error at the time when
            gnome was supposed to startup
           
         
        
          2986 [18:55:53] <dionysus69> i am able to boot in maintenance mode
           
         
        
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          2989 [18:56:29] <dionysus69> from grub, and it works, how do i
            troubleshoot what went wrong during the boot process? I checked
            fstab and UIDs are fine, what else should I check while cloning from
            virtual to physical?
           
         
        
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          2991 [18:57:02] <eyJhb> tripkin, 2 different network cards with
            two different cables (currently running at the same time). THink
            I'm on like that fifth cable, and secound switch :)
           
         
        
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          2994 [18:57:20] <eyJhb> But it doesnt seem to drop pings when i
            ping FROM the box..
           
         
        
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          3003 [18:59:30] <tripkin> No idea, then. Sorry.
           
         
        
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          3025 [19:05:24] <eyJhb> tripkin, quite alright! Thanks for your
            time anyways :)
           
         
        
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          3058 [19:16:24] <jhutchins_wk> tripkin: Anything in the queues?
            Packet errors? Is there a load on the system?
           
         
        
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          3061 [19:16:59] <tripkin> jhutchins_wk, that would be for eyJhb
            ...
           
         
        
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          3063 [19:17:02] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: I wonder if your
            initramfs is still loading modules for the VM instead of the
            hardware.
           
         
        
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          3066 [19:17:23] <jhutchins_wk> tripkin: Yes, sorry.
           
         
        
          3067 [19:17:35] <tripkin> No problem-o!  
         
        
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          3077 [19:21:58] <dionysus69> jhutchins_wk: I don't know, but
            in that case it shouldnt boot at all right
           
         
        
          3078 [19:22:10] <dionysus69> I am able to boot in troubleshooting
            mode from grub
           
         
        
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          3080 [19:22:49] <dionysus69> and boots all the way to user, i am
            able to do pretty much everything, just when I do startx the same
            error pops up, whether I am root user or regular user
           
         
        
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          3101 [19:30:19] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: I know it's an
            edge concept, but what the error actually says might be of some
            interest.
           
         
        
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          3105 [19:31:45] <nickgaw> Hi, I am trying to compile android and
            have adb and fastboot installed it tells me to install javacc but
            should not lots more packages get installed besides just one or two?
           
         
        
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          3108 [19:32:47] <kion> I have this message error in several
            places, Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" How
            can I fix this?
           
         
        
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          3114 [19:34:00] <velix> When will Debian Buster be released?
           
         
        
          3115 [19:34:06] <velix> Can't wait anymore :D
           
         
        
          3116 [19:34:10] <velix> Sorry, just trolling :)
           
         
        
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          3118 [19:34:59] <velix> /msg dpkg jessie->stretch;
           
         
        
          3119 [19:34:59] <dionysus69> jhutchins_wk: don't remember
            exactly but something along these lines with full grey screen with
            black text and sad smiley, system was unable to start contact the
            system administrator
           
         
        
          3120 [19:35:04] <velix> /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
           
         
        
          3121 [19:35:14] <greycat> no space before /msg
           
         
        
          3122 [19:35:26] <velix> greycat: and no ";" after :)
           
         
        
          3123 [19:35:33] <dionysus69> I think the error message was with
            the gnome shell "theme" so atm intuition tells me
            it's because of the gnome shell
           
         
        
          3124 [19:35:54] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: Well, if it runs in
            console mode that's good.
           
         
        
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          3126 [19:36:16] <dionysus69> I have tried using tasksel to delete
            gnome and install xfce but i got the same error
           
         
        
          3127 [19:36:16] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: You can at least check
            the logs and such.
           
         
        
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          3132 [19:38:43] <nickgaw> why do people not suggest cvs anymore
            for version control?
           
         
        
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          3134 [19:40:42] <greycat> google says
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3147 [19:46:42] <dionysus69> jhutchins_wk: don't know what to
            look for, I went for dmesg and noticed couple red lines but nothing
            specific that I would be able to understand
           
         
        
          3148 [19:47:07] <dionysus69> I am backing up one vm with
            clonezilla and going to restore to another
           
         
        
          3149 [19:47:15] <dionysus69> see if I can recreate problem on VM
            level
           
         
        
          3150 [19:47:45] <jhutchins_wk> dionysus69: It sounds like
            /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be of interest.
           
         
        
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          3152 [19:48:30] <jhutchins_wk> nickgaw: Some people switched
            because git was the new shiney, but mostly cvs wasn't under
            much development and git worked a lot better in broader usage.
           
         
        
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          3161 [19:50:36] <velix> Is there a nice mail server for debian,
            which stores mails as files and NOT inside a mysql DB ?
           
         
        
          3162 [19:50:57] <greycat> ... all of them.
           
         
        
          3163 [19:51:05] <jhutchins_wk> velix: Sendmail
           
         
        
          3164 [19:51:27] <velix> jhutchins_wk: oh, I thought, it's not
            used anymore for real E-Mails.
           
         
        
          3165 [19:51:31] <velix> greycat: I think about qmail
           
         
        
          3166 [19:51:40] <greycat> Local mail delivery is to either a
            single monolithic file ("mbox format"), or to a "mail
            folder" with one message per file ("Maildir format",
            or older formats). Nobody delivers to mysql. Nobody.
           
         
        
          3167 [19:51:40] <velix> greycat: but I've seen mysql howtos
            only
           
         
        
          3168 [19:51:56] <velix> greycat: I want "internet" mail
            ;)
           
         
        
          3169 [19:52:04] <greycat> qmail delivers either to Maildir
            (natively), or through a pipeline to e.g. procmail if you want mbox
            format
           
         
        
          3170 [19:52:18] <velix> greycat: okay, I need more reading on
            this. thanks
           
         
        
          3171 [19:52:29] <greycat> You are probably being very very
            confused because you are looking at setups that store *user
            accounts* in mysql. Not the mail itself.
           
         
        
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          3174 [19:52:53] <velix> greycat: Yeah, some want a unix user, some
            want mysql ... you're right.
           
         
        
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          3176 [19:53:03] <velix> greycat: actually, I want a catch-all
            mailadress and IMAP ;)
           
         
        
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          3178 [19:54:24] <jhutchins_wk> velix: imap is a separate
            component, often handled by dovecot.
           
         
        
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          3180 [19:54:41] <velix> jhutchins_wk: okay, I need MUCH more
            reading.
           
         
        
          3181 [19:55:01] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I don't know why you
            wouldn't store the actuall messages in mysql. I haven't
            seen it, but people put EVERYTHING in mysql or pgsql.
           
         
        
          3182 [19:55:20] <greycat> for starters, your IMAP daemon
            wouldn't know how to read it
           
         
        
          3183 [19:55:20] <jhutchins_wk> velix: Yeah, running an exposed
            mailserver does mean a lot of readng.
           
         
        
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          3185 [19:55:41] <greycat> nor would your local MUA
           
         
        
          3186 [19:55:50] <velix> jhutchins_wk & greycat: maybe I can
            find someone on freelancer, who can setup a server for me.
           
         
        
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          3188 [19:56:24] <dionysus69> so far I haven't been able to
            setup working email
           
         
        
          3189 [19:56:34] <dionysus69> I have tried about 3-4 times with 3 4
            different tutorials
           
         
        
          3190 [19:56:55] <dionysus69> thing is I want to be using
            postgresql, postfix and dovecot
           
         
        
          3191 [19:57:21] <ompaul> velix: have fun reading this and other
            good things:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3192 [19:57:39] <divious1> hello everyone  
         
        
          3193 [19:57:44] <velix> ompaul: is it up to date? everytime,
            I've visited the wiki, I stuck somewhere :(
           
         
        
          3194 [19:57:57] <divious1> long time linux mint user decided to
            jump ship to parrotsec/debian
           
         
        
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          3198 [19:58:51] <ompaul> velix: it is as up date as last year with
            EXIM
           
         
        
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          3203 [19:59:43] <ompaul> velix: bottom line start off with postfix
            - then fix it up later then you can drag your mail onto the imap
            server from inside thunderbird or some such
           
         
        
          3204 [20:00:05] <jhutchins_wk> It has apparently been done.
            mailsteward, dbmail.
           
         
        
          3205 [20:00:07] <ompaul> kind of makes sense to build on your
            knowledge get each part exactly as you want it
           
         
        
          3206 [20:00:18] <dionysus69> jhutchins_wk: restoring image to VM
            worked successfully.
           
         
        
          3207 [20:00:19] <velix> ompaul: yeah, I've understood this.
            I'll read some more HowTos. Thanks for your hinters.
           
         
        
          3208 [20:00:33] <jhutchins_wk> velix: If you're going to run
            it, it's better to build it yourself so you understand how it
            fits together.
           
         
        
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          3210 [20:00:58] <jhutchins_wk> velix: You might just want to pay
            google or somebody to run it for you.
           
         
        
          3211 [20:01:24] <eyJhb> jhutchins_wk, no clue anout queues, and
            packet errors, just using the basic ping tool to see how many get
            though. But not really any server load at all
           
         
        
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          3216 [20:01:48] <eyJhb> 8 threads at 0-1%  
         
        
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          3222 [20:03:39] <webmind> I installed debian 9 next to qubes, now
            I can't boot to cubes anymore
           
         
        
          3223 [20:03:53] <webmind> can anyone help me to get qubes back in
            the grub menu?
           
         
        
          3224 [20:03:56] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: /sbin/ifconfig should show
            you some stats.
           
         
        
          3225 [20:04:04] <webmind> update-grub2 doesn't see it
           
         
        
          3226 [20:04:10] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: ethtool gives some other
            info.
           
         
        
          3227 [20:04:11] <greycat> webmind: make sure os-prober is
            installed, and re-run update-grub
           
         
        
          3228 [20:04:26] <webmind> greycat: it's installed
           
         
        
          3229 [20:04:30] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: dmesg and /var/log/syslog
            are worth considering.
           
         
        
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          3231 [20:04:46] <eyJhb> jhutchins_wk, ifconfig says 2 dropped,
            everything else is 0
           
         
        
          3232 [20:04:52] <webmind> update-grub is not finding qubes still
           
         
        
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          3235 [20:05:11] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: Watch that, see if it goes
            up.
           
         
        
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          3237 [20:05:34] <eyJhb> Been pinging for 2 hours jhutchins_wk, it
            doesn't change
           
         
        
          3238 [20:05:56] <eyJhb> and nothing in the logs.. :/
           
         
        
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          3240 [20:06:36] <eyJhb> jhutchins_wk, what args for ethtool?
           
         
        
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          3242 [20:08:12] <eyJhb> ethtool displays none dropped, errors,
            missed, etc..
           
         
        
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          3246 [20:09:42] <jhutchins_wk> eyJhb: How do you know the card is
            good?
           
         
        
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          3249 [20:10:19] <eyJhb> jhutchins_wk, one is internal, cant test
            it. The other one i might test, but havent yet
           
         
        
          3250 [20:10:35] <eyJhb> just seems od..  
         
        
          3251 [20:10:47] <eyJhb> but it seems like the way forward
           
         
        
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          3261 [20:14:00] <nickgaw> How do I stop all low level kernel
            messages being printed to the consoles and just logd like normal as
            I have that line in /etc/sysctl.conf uncommented but still I get
            some of them?
           
         
        
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          3263 [20:14:44] <webmind> os-prober btw does not have man page and
            does not give any output
           
         
        
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          3268 [20:15:54] <nickgaw> the levels in that line are 3 4 1 3.
           
         
        
          3269 [20:16:13] <greycat> webmind: os-prober is a package, not a
            command you can run
           
         
        
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          3271 [20:16:28] <greycat> there's
            /usr/share/doc/os-prober/README
           
         
        
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          3273 [20:17:05] <webmind> that says that it's a command :)
           
         
        
          3274 [20:17:14] <webmind> 'and then run the os-prober
            command'
           
         
        
          3275 [20:18:00] <greycat> Hmm, ok. Then the lack of a man page may
            be a real bug.
           
         
        
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          3277 [20:18:22] <webmind> there are even arguments one can give
           
         
        
          3278 [20:18:43] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: Is qubes supposed to be
            multi-boot/grub compatible?
           
         
        
          3279 [20:18:45] <webmind> for linux boot one needs to run in on a
            root partition
           
         
        
          3280 [20:18:55] <webmind> jhutchins_wk: it uses grub itself, I
            don't see why not
           
         
        
          3281 [20:18:59] <webmind> it's just a xen setup
           
         
        
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          3283 [20:19:26] <webmind> but os-prober seems to need a root
            partition, but I only have /boot partitions available
           
         
        
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          3286 [20:20:19] <webmind> it doesn't even recouldnize my own
            debian installation
           
         
        
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          3300 [20:25:32] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: Yeah, you'll need to
            mount the rest of the system for the system to run properly, /boot
            is not enough.
           
         
        
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          3305 [20:25:52] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: You might try getting
            qubes' grub to recognize debian.
           
         
        
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          3307 [20:26:20] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: Or look at qubes'
            grub config and copy the appropriate section.
           
         
        
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          3321 [20:32:48] <webmind> jhutchins_wk: the first bit requires
            getting qubes to work :)
           
         
        
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          3323 [20:33:26] <RedMercury> anyone using freeipa client on debian
            here?
           
         
        
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          3325 [20:34:41] <webmind> jhutchins_wk: mounting the partition and
            with /boot mounted in it
           
         
        
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          3329 [20:35:42] <webmind> doesn't make update-grub find it
            thoughj
           
         
        
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          3334 [20:37:24] <SaltySolomon> Is there any Debian
            Version/Derivative that would run well on my 14 inch 1440p laptop, I
            tried gnome 3, but the scaling is terrible :/
           
         
        
          3335 [20:37:59] <greycat> You should be asking which desktop
            environment or window manager, not which operating system.
           
         
        
          3336 [20:38:54] <greycat> It may also be worth checking whether X
            is running at the correct resolution in the first place. xdpyinfo |
            grep dimensions
           
         
        
          3337 [20:38:55] <SaltySolomon> Well, it will end in the same with
            me because I really don't want to install one by hand
           
         
        
          3338 [20:39:23] <webmind> SaltySolomon: xfce or mate are fairly
            light
           
         
        
          3339 [20:39:36] <SaltySolomon> It, was the issue was that 1 time
            scaling made everything way too small but 2 times scaling made
            everything waaaay too big
           
         
        
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          3342 [20:40:27] <jer0me> then scale 1.4  
         
        
          3343 [20:40:36] <SaltySolomon> Can't isn't supportet
           
         
        
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          3349 [20:42:36] <ForceRecon> anyone have any documentation to make
            TOR the default web browser in debian when clicking a url in email
            or more importantly IRC?
           
         
        
          3350 [20:43:47] <greycat> neither my email MUA nor my IRC client
            does anything at all when I "click" a "link"
           
         
        
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          3352 [20:44:08] <greycat> If I want to open the crap-links that
            people spam here, I have to copy/paste one from the IRC client into
            a web browser.
           
         
        
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          3356 [20:45:03] <LtL> greycat: even a right click doesn't
            display choices?
           
         
        
          3357 [20:45:52] <greycat> Right click highlights a huge swath of
            multiple lines. I'm not sure how it decides where to
            start/stop.
           
         
        
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          3361 [20:47:11] <webmind> copy-paste not working with vim and
            mate-terminal....
           
         
        
          3362 [20:47:18] <jhutchins_wk> SaltySolomon: You might look into
            optimizing your graphics drivers.
           
         
        
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          3365 [20:47:53] <webmind> ah like that  
         
        
          3366 [20:47:57] <SaltySolomon> Please not anything over the top
            complicated :/
           
         
        
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          3373 [20:50:11] <nix64bit> whats the sexiest media player on nix?
            Using Mplayer and vlc
           
         
        
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          3380 [20:53:24] <jhutchins_wk> SaltySolomon: Doesn't sound
            like you're really into learning linux.
           
         
        
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          3382 [20:54:12] <SaltySolomon> jhutchins_wk Lets just say, I want
            to use linux and not have to change a bazillion text files,
            recompile everything for it then not to work
           
         
        
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          3385 [20:54:48] <greycat> It's not likely you'll have to
            compile anything.
           
         
        
          3386 [20:54:51] <nix64bit> SaltySolomon: nix is power
           
         
        
          3387 [20:55:26] <SaltySolomon> I really love to use linux as a
            server and use it there very often, but it just **** as a desktop
           
         
        
          3388 [20:55:31] <greycat> The first step is to figure out
            what's actually wrong, if anything. My first suggestion was to
            check the resolution, and make sure it matches the native hardware
            display.
           
         
        
          3389 [20:55:38] <SaltySolomon> I did  
         
        
          3390 [20:55:42] <nix64bit> not really  
         
        
          3391 [20:56:02] <SaltySolomon> Okay, what should I do?
           
         
        
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          3393 [20:56:47] <greycat> If it were me, I would report back what
            the xdpyinfo
           
         
        
          3394 [20:56:48] <webmind> jhutchins_wk: copy-pasting to/from
            grub.cfg works, but it'll break the next time there is a new
            kernel
           
         
        
          3395 [20:57:00] <greycat> If it were me, I would report back what
            the xdpyinfo|grep command gave, and confirm "Yes, that is my
            LCD size" or "No, that is not my LCD size"
           
         
        
          3396 [20:57:03] <nix64bit> nix is really not hard anymore
           
         
        
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          3398 [20:57:14] <SaltySolomon> Until it is
           
         
        
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          3400 [20:57:49] <nix64bit> do you want help?
           
         
        
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          3404 [20:58:21] <webmind> qubes also doesn't see my debian
            partition
           
         
        
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          3406 [20:59:05] <SaltySolomon> greycat It matches my actuall
            display resolution
           
         
        
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          3409 [20:59:27] <greycat> That's good. That means you
            probably don't have to touch the video drivers.
           
         
        
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          3411 [21:01:20] <SaltySolomon> Okay, so what should I try now?
           
         
        
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          3413 [21:01:50] <greycat> What is "scaling"? What is the
            actual problem you're having?
           
         
        
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          3422 [21:04:08] <SaltySolomon> In gnome you can change UI scaling
            (Window Scaling) and you have a choice between 1 and 2 , according
            to my research it has something to do with GTK
           
         
        
          3423 [21:04:14] <SaltySolomon> And both aren't working for me
           
         
        
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          3425 [21:04:23] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
           
         
        
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          3428 [21:05:04] <SaltySolomon> Use the desktop enviroment with a
            scaling that is usualble, on the previous windows install I had 1.5
            scaling
           
         
        
          3429 [21:05:07] <jer0me> greycat: "resolution
            indenpendence", hidpi
           
         
        
          3430 [21:05:27] <jer0me> SaltySolomon: have you tried using xrandr
            maybe?
           
         
        
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          3435 [21:05:47] <jer0me> --scale 1.4x1.4 for instance or --scaling
           
         
        
          3436 [21:06:00] <jer0me> --scale  
         
        
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          3451 [21:15:49] <jhutchins_wk> webmind: Need to put something in
            /etc/grub.d/ - read the files there to figure out what exactly.
           
         
        
          3452 [21:16:43] <jhutchins_wk> SaltySolomon: It sounds like you
            may need to adjust the DPI (which I never figured out).
           
         
        
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          3459 [21:18:32] <greycat> I googled this "hidpi" thing
            that jer0me mentioned, and it gave me an arch wiki page that talked
            about using some combo of gnome's integer scaling stuff and
            xrandr with non-integer stuff. *shrug*
           
         
        
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          3464 [21:19:22] <greycat> I'm glad jer0me was able to read
            SaltySolomon's mind.
           
         
        
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          3488 [21:27:29] <jer0me> well, I have one of those
            "retina" screens.
           
         
        
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          3490 [21:27:49] <jer0me> I usually just pick a lower resolution.
           
         
        
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          3492 [21:29:49] <ForceRecon> after installing TOR on debian it is
            not integrated into the system so when choosing your default app it
            is not listed. Is there any way to make TOR be your default browser
            in debian linux
           
         
        
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          3494 [21:30:30] <greycat> I'm not even clear on what you
            think "default browser" means....
           
         
        
          3495 [21:30:53] <greycat> Linux isn't like Windows. It
            doesn't have a global "default ___" that all programs
            can agree on.
           
         
        
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          3497 [21:31:10] <ForceRecon> default browser = preferred
            application
           
         
        
          3498 [21:31:18] <greycat> Preferred by what? GNOME apps?
           
         
        
          3499 [21:31:21] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: There might be a
            general setting in whatever desktop you're running. Sometimes
            it has to be set per app.
           
         
        
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          3502 [21:31:56] <greycat> By the xdg-open command?
           
         
        
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          3506 [21:32:20] <jhutchins_wk> mime types?
           
         
        
          3507 [21:32:21] <ForceRecon> that is fine.. however, since it is
            not installed into the system but merely installed to a folder of
            your choosing, it is not in the preferred apllication list.
           
         
        
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          3509 [21:32:52] <ForceRecon> sudo update-alternatives --install
            /usr/bin/x-replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3510 [21:32:57] <greycat> Oh, you are running something that is
            presenting a list? What thing are you running? Maybe it has some way
            to be configured.
           
         
        
          3511 [21:32:58] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Ask tor.
           
         
        
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          3513 [21:33:09] <ForceRecon> I found this but I do not want to try
            it and screw up the system
           
         
        
          3514 [21:33:21] <ForceRecon> sudo update-alternatives --config
            x-replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3515 [21:33:21] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Make a backup.
           
         
        
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          3519 [21:34:00] <ForceRecon> People in Tor just ignore you.. the
            op basically chooses what he feels like answering..
           
         
        
          3520 [21:34:16] <ForceRecon> you guys are better
           
         
        
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          3522 [21:34:27] <greycat> all that update-alternatives does is
            create or change a symlink inside /etc/alternatives/
           
         
        
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          3525 [21:35:04] <ForceRecon> the thing is that I am not sure what
            the url should be.. and should it include all the information in the
            app link itself or just the folder?
           
         
        
          3526 [21:35:27] <greycat> And for whatever it's worth, on my
            stretch system with no DE, /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3527 [21:35:27] <glick> hey whats the command to install java on
            deb?
           
         
        
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          3529 [21:35:32] <ForceRecon>
            home/Downloads/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/start-tor-browser"
            --detach || ([ ! -x "/home/Downloads/tor
           
         
        
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          3534 [21:36:22] <greycat> And "man xdg-open" does not
            tell you where it gets its information.
           
         
        
          3535 [21:36:26] <AciD`> hey, I installed a fresh debian on my
            laptop, where I previously had another distro, and an ecryptfs
            /home/user folder. I installed `ecryptfs-utils` but when I try to
            log as `user`, it fails. Manually though I can mount the unencrypted
            files with the `ecryptfs-mount-private` command. It then asks for my
            passphrase and everything is fine. Do you guys know how to update
            that passphrase so debian
           
         
        
          3536 [21:36:31] <AciD`> will find it on its own?
           
         
        
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          3541 [21:37:20] <jer0me> greycat: man xdg-settings
           
         
        
          3542 [21:37:30] <jer0me> greycat: there is an example just to do
            that
           
         
        
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          3544 [21:37:40] <jer0me> xdg-settings set default-web-browser
            google-chrome.desktop
           
         
        
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          3546 [21:37:57] <jer0me> of course, you may need to write a !@#
            desktop file
           
         
        
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          3550 [21:38:25] <greycat> Oh. I read "man xdg-settings"
            as far as "--list", then ran that, and it didn't tell
            me what the VALUES were.
           
         
        
          3551 [21:38:29] <ForceRecon> thanks for the plentiful information
            I am going to try it all out and see what I can do.. thanks
           
         
        
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          3557 [21:41:40] <jer0me> greycat: there are just so many ways to
            define a "preferred application", using mime-types,
            schemes, ... via mailcap, alternatives, ... that xdg decided on a
            nearly-xml file format to spice the whole mess up.
           
         
        
          3558 [21:41:46] <greycat> So I run "xdg-settings get
            default-web-browser" and it says
            "firefox-esr.desktop" and then I run "locate
            firefox-esr.desktop" and it says
            "/usr/share/applications/firefox-esr.desktop" and then I
            look there to see what the other *.desktop files are.
           
         
        
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          3560 [21:43:19] <jer0me> some could be in ~/$XDG_HOME/applications
           
         
        
          3561 [21:43:20] <greycat> ... and to see umpteen different ways to
            translate "Firefox"
           
         
        
          3562 [21:44:14] <glick> hey, once stretch is released in a couple
            of weeks how do i change to it as stable, since i am now running
            stretch as testing
           
         
        
          3563 [21:44:31] <glick> by the way my wallpaper changes again lol
           
         
        
          3564 [21:45:18] <jhutchins_wk> !jessie->stretch
           
         
        
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          3566 [21:46:37] <borsin> glick: Verify your /etc/apt/sources.list
            is set to stable or stretch and not testing.
           
         
        
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          3568 [21:47:05] <glick> cool thank sborsin
           
         
        
          3569 [21:47:06] <greycat> s/stable or //  
         
        
          3570 [21:47:07] <glick> thanks  
         
        
          3571 [21:47:18] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: jessie->stretch
           
         
        
          3572 [21:47:18] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch"
            is still pre-release and that security support will not always be
            timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch
            release notes>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3575 [21:47:57] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: If he's running jessie
            now, it's probably not set to testing.
           
         
        
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          3580 [21:48:50] <borsin> jhutchins_wk: Well he said he's
            running stretch currently.
           
         
        
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          3587 [21:49:27] <jer0me> glick: you may have nothing to do, but
            since stable has some specific "updates",
            "security" repos, maybe backports, you may want to add
            some sources
           
         
        
          3588 [21:49:28] <dario> hi everybody  
         
        
          3589 [21:49:30] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: I should pay more
            attention, you're right.
           
         
        
          3590 [21:49:34] <borsin> greycat: Sources.list will accept a
            blank? Or I'm misinterpreting.
           
         
        
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          3592 [21:50:07] <glick> ah yes. thanks jer0me
           
         
        
          3593 [21:50:10] <borsin> Blank for the release..
           
         
        
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          3595 [21:50:15] <greycat> borsin: Do not put "stable" in
            there. I said that the advice to use "stable or stretch"
            should simply have been "stretch".
           
         
        
          3596 [21:50:17] <glick> I HAD TO COMMENT THOSE OUT
           
         
        
          3597 [21:50:19] <glick> FOR TESTING  
         
        
          3598 [21:50:27] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: You want the name of the
            release as opposed to stable, testing, unstable.
           
         
        
          3599 [21:50:46] <jhutchins_wk> borsin: Otherwise when it releases
            you'll get the new testing instead.
           
         
        
          3600 [21:51:04] <dario> I'm searching for managing battery
            status on my notebook (Lenovo Yoga), I wish the battery stays at a
            50~60 % charging level, the notebbok is 'always on' and
            always connected to AC, so the - internal - battery will decrease
            its features if remaining always at 100% charge
           
         
        
          3601 [21:51:12] <borsin> Ok. Makes sense. Although to stick with
            testing or unstable one would be better to stick to that naming. IMO
           
         
        
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          3605 [21:51:36] <jhutchins_wk> dario: Not aware of anything that
            does that in linux.
           
         
        
          3606 [21:51:40] <greycat> If you want to "stick with
            testing" across multiple release cycles, then you should be in
            #debian-next on OFTC, and not here.
           
         
        
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          3609 [21:52:13] <glick> ls  
         
        
          3610 [21:52:14] <jhutchins_wk> dario: Battery memory is worst with
            ni-cads, laptop batteries aren't as bad. It's up to the
            hardware - often in the actual battery pack - to manage the charge.
           
         
        
          3611 [21:52:15] <glick> opps  
         
        
          3612 [21:52:16] <glick> lol  
         
        
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          3620 [21:57:16] <dario> jhutchins_wk: Iknow, but LiIon battery
            will suffer too much while staying always at 100%, RCmodel batteries
            have a charging 'storage' mode to not damage their
            chemical stability; a previous notebook I had I saw the battery at
            20% capacity after two years only(I always use notebook as a desktop
            computer, battery always cherged), so I think it might be very
            important to manage this problem, charging till 60% and discharging
            to 50%, even if AC is plugged on;
           
         
        
          3621 [21:57:17] <dario> that's what happens in another Lenovo
            (Y-50-70) I have, but, as you say, not in Linux, is a Windows option
           
         
        
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          3623 [21:58:09] <dario> I'm searching for a workaround to do
            so
           
         
        
          3624 [21:58:48] <jer0me> dario: tlp has something like that for
            lenovo thinkpads
           
         
        
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          3628 [22:01:15] <jer0me> dario: echo 40 | sudo tee
            /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh
           
         
        
          3629 [22:01:18] <jer0me> ?  
         
        
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          3631 [22:01:45] <dario> jer0me: thanks, already installed, it
            refers to a kernel module working on Thinkpad only
           
         
        
          3632 [22:02:40] <jer0me> dario: if tp-smapi-dkms supports your
            system, you can use
            /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh and
            /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/stop_charge_thresh
           
         
        
          3633 [22:02:41] <tobiasBora> Hello,  
         
        
          3634 [22:02:42] <dario> jer0me: that file doesn't exist
           
         
        
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          3636 [22:03:18] <jer0me> dario: you need to install tp_smapi from
            the tp-smapi-dkms if your system provides smapi
           
         
        
          3637 [22:03:52] <dario> jer0me: and how may I test if my system
            provides smapi?
           
         
        
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          3639 [22:04:13] <jer0me> dario: install the pkg, modprobe the
            module and check
           
         
        
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          3641 [22:04:26] <jer0me> dmesg and so on  
         
        
          3642 [22:04:47] <tobiasBora> I'm trying to loop in shell on a
            multiline variable, line by line. In bash, I use read -r -d
            '' ALL_REGEXP << EOM ....my multiline variable....
            EOM; while read file_regex; do ... ; done < <(echo
            "${ALL_REGEXP}")
           
         
        
          3643 [22:05:06] <tobiasBora> However, in shell, the syntax <
            < does not exists
           
         
        
          3644 [22:05:15] <tobiasBora> and read does not have the -d option
           
         
        
          3645 [22:05:28] <greycat> tobiasBora: <() is a bashism.
            Won't work if your script is run by sh.
           
         
        
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          3649 [22:06:51] <dario> jer0me: tp-smapi-dkms is already
            installed, and dmesg|grep smapi provides no results
           
         
        
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          3652 [22:07:27] <jer0me> dario: is the driver loaded?
           
         
        
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          3654 [22:07:55] <tobiasBora> greycat: yes, but do you have any
            solution for sh that do not create a new thread ?
           
         
        
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          3656 [22:08:29] <greycat> tobiasBora: a temp file
           
         
        
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          3658 [22:09:03] <tobiasBora> greycat: dirty, but should work,
            thank you
           
         
        
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          3660 [22:10:15] <dario> jer0me: I don't know tha
            module's name, but lsmod | grep smapi gives nothing
           
         
        
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          3663 [22:11:00] <mframe> Can anyone provide some insight on
            chromium flickering? I get flickering on certain sites when i launch
            from the desktop shortcut or cmd, but NOT when i open chromium by
            clicking a URL. As far as i can tell the commands and switches used
            to launch are the same in every scenario.
           
         
        
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          3666 [22:11:28] <dario> jer0me: it seems it works with Thinkpad
            firmware
           
         
        
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          3668 [22:12:55] <jer0me> dario: try to look for "battery
            charge threshold" for your device then :(
           
         
        
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          3670 [22:13:34] <dario> jer0me: thanks, I'll search about,
            thank you for your kindness
           
         
        
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          3676 [22:14:48] <tobiasBora> greycat: And do you have also a way
            to write: IFS=$tab read name regexp <<<
            "${file_regex}"
           
         
        
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          3678 [22:15:43] <greycat> Move the read-with-two-variables to the
            place where you got the file_regexp content in the first place.
           
         
        
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          3680 [22:16:34] <greycat> Otherwise, use parameter expansions to
            split the string manually. name=${file_regex%%$tab} and so on.
           
         
        
          3681 [22:17:07] <tobiasBora> Hum great idea, thank you!
           
         
        
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          3683 [22:17:23] <greycat> #bash covers sh scripting, by the way,
            even though we will grumble about it.
           
         
        
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          3697 [22:25:09] <DammitJim> I just ssh'd into my box at home
           
         
        
          3698 [22:25:16] <greycat> yay?  
         
        
          3699 [22:25:17] <DammitJim> and got the -bash-4.3$ prompt
           
         
        
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          3701 [22:25:19] <DammitJim> what is that?  
         
        
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          3703 [22:25:21] <DammitJim> never seeing it
           
         
        
          3704 [22:25:26] <greycat> It means your PS1 variable isn't
            set.
           
         
        
          3705 [22:25:29] <DammitJim> googling doesn't seem to turn up
            much
           
         
        
          3706 [22:25:35] <DammitJim> does it mean it got stuck?
           
         
        
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          3708 [22:25:47] <DammitJim> I think we had a power outage last
            night
           
         
        
          3709 [22:25:49] <greycat> It means that the dot files that were
            read during your ssh login never bothered changing the value of PS1.
           
         
        
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          3711 [22:26:08] <DammitJim> oh  
         
        
          3712 [22:26:12] <greycat> Most likely because you created a
            ~/.bash_profile that doesn't source ~/.bashrc, or similar.
           
         
        
          3713 [22:26:40] <DammitJim> oh man  
         
        
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          3715 [22:26:45] <DammitJim> -bash: /home/mach/.profile:
            Input/output error
           
         
        
          3716 [22:26:53] <DammitJim> does it mean I have corrupted files?
           
         
        
          3717 [22:27:03] <greycat> Check for hardware errors in dmesg.
           
         
        
          3718 [22:27:03] <DammitJim> I was in this server last night
            working just fine before the power outage :(
           
         
        
          3719 [22:27:22] <DammitJim> oh ok, but in this prompt, I
            can't do that, huh?
           
         
        
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          3721 [22:27:30] <DammitJim> I'll have to be home to do this
            on the console...
           
         
        
          3722 [22:27:37] <greycat> sudo or su, if you're on stretch
           
         
        
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          3724 [22:27:47] <greycat> jessie or older, anyone can run dmesg
           
         
        
          3725 [22:27:58] <DammitJim> -bash: /bin/su: Input/output error
           
         
        
          3726 [22:28:09] <DammitJim> I think my hard drive is borked?
           
         
        
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          3729 [22:28:31] <greycat> Maaaaaybe. Or maybe just massive file
            system corruption. Can't tell at the moment.
           
         
        
          3730 [22:28:40] <DammitJim> so, I have to be home, huh?
           
         
        
          3731 [22:28:50] <greycat> can you ssh in as root?
           
         
        
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          3733 [22:28:57] <DammitJim> let me try  
         
        
          3734 [22:29:01] <DammitJim> I thought I had that disabled
           
         
        
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          3736 [22:29:23] <DammitJim> yeah, I disabled it
           
         
        
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          3742 [22:31:35] <ForceRecon> any chance i can get invited to
            debian-next
           
         
        
          3743 [22:31:39] <knstn> usb flash drives can be used for swap?
           
         
        
          3744 [22:31:47] <ForceRecon> I would like to see what is going on
            so close to the next release
           
         
        
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          3746 [22:32:29] <awal1> !debian-next  
         
        
          3747 [22:32:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
            testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
            on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
            invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
            irc.oftc.net.
           
         
        
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          3751 [22:33:30] <ForceRecon> thx  
         
        
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          3754 [22:34:42] <greycat> (It's not as active as this
            channel, so don't expect excitement.)
           
         
        
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          3759 [22:35:10] <DammitJim> yeah, + stretch is coming out soon ;)
           
         
        
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          3761 [22:36:10] <glick> hey guys, i just notice something wierd
            happened on my desktop
           
         
        
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          3765 [22:36:29] <glick> i just noticed a file on my desktop called
            sedal7Ow0
           
         
        
          3766 [22:36:40] <glick> i cant see it from cmdline ls if i go to
            desktop
           
         
        
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          3769 [22:37:26] <TomG2> i wonder if there's a dpkg infofact
            on breakins
           
         
        
          3770 [22:37:46] <glick> any idea what that could be or where that
            comes from?
           
         
        
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          3772 [22:38:11] <TomG2> no idea, do you want to run debsums to see
            if your ls has been wickedly replaced?
           
         
        
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          3775 [22:38:30] <armin> glick: tried find $HOME/Desktop -iname
            "*sedal7Ow0*"
           
         
        
          3776 [22:38:37] <TomG2> a pain in the butt to check to see if
            Debian has been broken into
           
         
        
          3777 [22:39:01] <greycat> TomG2: or *any* other system
           
         
        
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          3779 [22:39:26] <glick> armin: yep. nothin
           
         
        
          3780 [22:39:40] <glick> maybe i need to log out and login again
           
         
        
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          3784 [22:41:47] <glick> that was wierd  
         
        
          3785 [22:41:48] <glick> its gone now  
         
        
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          3787 [22:41:59] <greycat> It *sounded* like a temporary file.
           
         
        
          3788 [22:42:05] <glick> yeah musta been  
         
        
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          3790 [22:42:10] <knstn> make a checksum script, run it cron
           
         
        
          3791 [22:42:17] <greycat> !debsums  
         
        
          3792 [22:42:17] <dpkg> hmm... debsums is a utility that will check
            a package's files against their checksums. The "-a"
            argument will instruct it to also check configuration files:
            "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages
            come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package
            cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude
            reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>.
           
         
        
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          3794 [22:42:22] <glick> odd place to put it on the desktop though
           
         
        
          3795 [22:42:30] <Bliepo> glick: just in case, check whether all
            you packages are up to date
           
         
        
          3796 [22:44:08] <knstn> does debsum save you in case package db
            gets corrupted?
           
         
        
          3797 [22:44:30] <greycat> No.  
         
        
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          3800 [22:45:08] <greycat> if your /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupt,
            there's /var/lib/dpkg/status-old. If that's corrupt,
            there's your previous full system backup.
           
         
        
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          3803 [22:45:42] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Backups.
           
         
        
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          3810 [22:47:39] <knstn> i found the script for checksums of
            critical dirs like init,pam etc... but it calls other scripts which
            i can't find
           
         
        
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          3813 [22:50:13] <webmind> where does one define which blockdevice
            grub gets installed on?
           
         
        
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          3815 [22:50:25] <webmind> or is that just a one time grub-install
            ?
           
         
        
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          3821 [22:51:08] <knstn>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3822 [22:51:45] <greycat> what's the question?
           
         
        
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          3824 [22:52:37] <greycat> I know what *my* question is: "why
            did they use a bash shebang and bashism in the function declaration
            when every other piece of the script is pure sh"
           
         
        
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          3827 [22:53:13] <greycat> Plus all those missing quotes around
            "$SRC" on half the lines
           
         
        
          3828 [22:53:24] <Bliepo> To make you cringe
           
         
        
          3829 [22:53:53] <greycat> I suppose there might be bashisms in the
            dotted-in file.
           
         
        
          3830 [22:54:00] <knstn> i don't know, could be practice ?
           
         
        
          3831 [22:54:22] <greycat> It was a rhetorical question, really.
            The answer is "because they didn't know better".
           
         
        
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          3833 [22:55:50] <greycat> The exit 200 is very peculiar as well.
            Exit codes above 127 are usually reserved for indicating
            "killed by a signal".
           
         
        
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          3840 [22:58:09] <knstn> i know it's not perfect, but it
            demonstrates the idea of that you can check your system's
            integrity in an automated way, without using specialized software
           
         
        
          3841 [22:59:02] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Except the specialized set
            of scripts.
           
         
        
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          3844 [22:59:39] <jhutchins_wk> knstn: Tripwire could be useful for
            that.
           
         
        
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          3846 [23:00:33] <knstn> in case you use something like that and
            put in cron, remember to checksum the script it self, on a remote
            location
           
         
        
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          3849 [23:01:32] <ForceRecon> how do you easily add a desktop icon
            to the panel?
           
         
        
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          3852 [23:02:50] <bezaban> ForceRecon: generally today a lot of
            desktop environments (DE) use the /home/user/Desktop folder
           
         
        
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          3854 [23:03:40] <moov> hello. i want to download a particular
            stretch kernel, version 4.6.0.1-amd64. under which folder in the
            debian repository can i find that specific one? thank you for your
            help!
           
         
        
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          3856 [23:03:43] <bezaban> but there is an abstraction or a concept
            rather that differs from your 'usual' apple or microsoft
            experiences, your desktop environment may be different
           
         
        
          3857 [23:04:03] <ForceRecon> I want to get it from the desktop to
            the panel. There is no option for add to panel
           
         
        
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          3860 [23:06:24] <awal1> debsums: changed file
            /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf (from initramfs-tools-core
            package)
           
         
        
          3861 [23:06:27] <awal1> so?  
         
        
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          3866 [23:06:49] <TomG2> hi moov  
         
        
          3867 [23:06:52] <frostschutz> awal1, so what?
           
         
        
          3868 [23:07:04] <moov> hi  
         
        
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          3870 [23:07:11] <aura> Hello  
         
        
          3871 [23:07:14] <TomG2> moov: you can look at
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3872 [23:07:25] <TomG2> moov: or use apt-get --download-only
            install yourkernelhere
           
         
        
          3873 [23:07:44] <moov> ah, great idea  
         
        
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          3875 [23:07:53] <TomG2> and check /var/ache/apt/archives
           
         
        
          3876 [23:07:56] <TomG2> thanks  
         
        
          3877 [23:07:58] <awal1> frostschutz, what to do with that
           
         
        
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          3879 [23:08:11] <moov> to browse the repository is horrible,
            i'm not experienced enough to pick the correct folders...
           
         
        
          3880 [23:08:13] <aura> which irc client should i use? guys over
            #irc are telling me weird stuff and they use windows :-(
           
         
        
          3881 [23:08:21] <greycat> *snort*  
         
        
          3882 [23:08:28] <moov> TomG2: great idea!  
         
        
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          3886 [23:08:37] <greycat> must be on a different network...
           
         
        
          3887 [23:08:42] <bezaban> aura: the one you prefer. irssi,
            weechat, whatnot
           
         
        
          3888 [23:08:46] <frostschutz> aura, mirc runs great with wine
           
         
        
          3889 [23:08:51] <greycat> irssi and weechat are both quite popular
           
         
        
          3890 [23:08:51] <bezaban> quassel, old but interesting
           
         
        
          3891 [23:08:59] <bigMouthCommie> i thought i could just symlink
            ~/downloads/somethin2share to i thought i could just symlink
            ~/downloads/somethin2share to
           
         
        
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          3893 [23:09:02] <bigMouthCommie> errr  
         
        
          3894 [23:09:04] <bezaban> bitchx if you really want..
           
         
        
          3895 [23:09:10] <awal1> weechat is more featured
           
         
        
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          3897 [23:09:15] <bigMouthCommie> i thought i could just symlink
            ~/downloads/somethin2share to /var/html/s2s but apparently no?
           
         
        
          3898 [23:09:22] <aura> what about hexchat?
           
         
        
          3899 [23:09:26] <bigMouthCommie> i didt try chmod -R 666 *
           
         
        
          3900 [23:09:32] <bezaban> oh, there is no bitchx in debian anymore
           
         
        
          3901 [23:09:35] <greycat> bigMouthCommie: your login user may not
            have permissions to write to /var/html/s2s
           
         
        
          3902 [23:09:39] <bezaban> likely not at all
           
         
        
          3903 [23:09:46] <greycat> bigMouthCommie: DO NOT chmod things to
            666
           
         
        
          3904 [23:09:53] <bigMouthCommie> :(  
         
        
          3905 [23:09:59] <bezaban> epic5 exits as an option
           
         
        
          3906 [23:10:02] <awal1> aura, i peronally use hexchat. it is good
           
         
        
          3907 [23:10:07] <bigMouthCommie> any help configging apache ?
           
         
        
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          3909 [23:10:14] <bigMouthCommie> i get 403
           
         
        
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          3911 [23:10:27] <bezaban> bigMouthCommie: be specific, state what
            you have tried and your config on paste.debian.net
           
         
        
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          3913 [23:10:45] <greycat> If "didt" was "did",
            then you have utterly broken your directory, and you will have to
            undo it.
           
         
        
          3914 [23:10:52] <greycat> If "didt" was
            "didn't" then ... phew!
           
         
        
          3915 [23:11:12] <bigMouthCommie> i am running a stock apache2
            install. i jsut symlinked in ~/Downloads/Something\ to\ share to
            /var/replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3916 [23:11:36] <bigMouthCommie> and then i chmod -R 666 *
           
         
        
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          3918 [23:12:21] <awal1> 2 fingers for scroll up/down using
            touchpad is the default or what?
           
         
        
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          3922 [23:14:48] <awal1> I guess that is the default since I
            haven't configured it manually since I only use a basic WM
           
         
        
          3923 [23:15:04] <moov> TomG2: works! thank you!
           
         
        
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          3925 [23:15:07] <awal1> but it is two "fast/sensible"
           
         
        
          3926 [23:15:16] <ForceRecon> which folder do menu items reside in?
           
         
        
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          3928 [23:15:26] <awal1> I don'ttoo  
         
        
          3929 [23:15:31] <awal1> oups  
         
        
          3930 [23:15:34] <ForceRecon> I actually need to add Tor to the
            menu first then I can add it to the panel
           
         
        
          3931 [23:15:38] <awal1> it is too fast.  
         
        
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          3935 [23:16:36] <TomG2> moov, you're welcome
           
         
        
          3936 [23:16:40] <awal1> I don't know what to modify exactly
            regarding synclient output
           
         
        
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          3945 [23:20:24] <bigMouthCommie> bezaban: what config do you want
            to see?
           
         
        
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          3949 [23:21:30] <bezaban> onfig  
         
        
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          3952 [23:21:47] <bezaban> oops.  
         
        
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          3955 [23:22:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1728
           
         
        
          3956 [23:22:02] <bezaban> having highg latency
           
         
        
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          3958 [23:22:19] <Tonk-freenode> Is this a valid method of back-up:
            using gparted to copy my / partion to a removeable hard drive?
            Sidequestion, will the copy be bootable as the original?
           
         
        
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          3960 [23:22:32] <bigMouthCommie> latency between your kbd and
            display?
           
         
        
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          3963 [23:23:10] <bezaban> bigMouthCommie: between my client and DC
           
         
        
          3964 [23:23:15] <awal1> ok : VertTwoFingerScroll = 1 (and adjust
            MinSpeed = xxx and MaxSpeed = xxx)
           
         
        
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          3968 [23:23:55] <bezaban> hetzner usually blackhole them pretty
            quickly, but no worries, going to bed now
           
         
        
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          3974 [23:25:05] <bezaban> and lots of other nodes
           
         
        
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          3980 [23:27:57] <bezaban> actually no, might be my isp messing up
           
         
        
          3981 [23:28:07] <bigMouthCommie>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          3982 [23:28:07] <bigMouthCommie>  
         
        
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          3985 [23:29:02] <moov> TomG2: is it difficult, to install a new
            grub2 in a chroot environment (mounted image) ?
           
         
        
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          3987 [23:29:15] <bezaban> bigMouthCommie: distribution?
           
         
        
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          3991 [23:30:11] <bezaban> can the user runnig apache
            (ww-data/apache) access the entire serch path up to /var/replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          3993 [23:30:33] <bigMouthCommie> turns out, another channel told
            me i needed execution permissions, so i just 777 it
           
         
        
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          3995 [23:30:43] <greycat> NOOOOOOOO  
         
        
          3996 [23:30:52] <greycat> *headdesk* *headdesk*
           
         
        
          3997 [23:31:00] <bezaban>
            
           
         
        
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          3999 [23:31:11] <bezaban> yay. 777y7 ftw  
         
        
          4000 [23:31:31] <bezaban> my connectivity is bad. I'll move
            and wait it out. Good luck.
           
         
        
          4001 [23:31:36] <bigMouthCommie> k  
         
        
          4002 [23:31:41] <bezaban> quick  
         
        
          4003 [23:32:04] <bigMouthCommie> greycat: what's wrong with
            777?
           
         
        
          4004 [23:32:35] <bigMouthCommie> for that matter, why not 666 ?
            (altho that didn't work so that's a p. good reason not to
            do it)
           
         
        
          4005 [23:32:47] <greycat> It removes all security completely. And
            also makes your random recipes and loves notes and My Little Pony
            slashporn executable.
           
         
        
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          4009 [23:33:19] <bigMouthCommie> well we're just talking
            about an audiobook at this point
           
         
        
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          4012 [23:33:41] <bigMouthCommie> and my username is same as my
            pass: user
           
         
        
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          4014 [23:34:10] <bigMouthCommie> the only semblance of security i
            have is that the http and ssh ports aren't set to default at
            the router
           
         
        
          4015 [23:34:12] <bezaban>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          4016 [23:34:36] <TomG2> moov: keep asking others, i don't
            know
           
         
        
          4017 [23:34:43] <TomG2> or at least, i an't work on it right
            now
           
         
        
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          4022 [23:35:45] <bezaban> bigMouthCommie: if you want to run a
            server you should learn these things, if you want to pay someone to
            do this for you that is also fine
           
         
        
          4023 [23:36:13] <bigMouthCommie> i've been using ubuntu since
            2k4. debian since just before jessie came out. frankly, i have NEVER
            had the patience to read about groups and permissions. 777 does the
            job i want, and it's not like i'm a bank.
           
         
        
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          4025 [23:36:28] <RedMercury> haha  
         
        
          4026 [23:36:33] <bigMouthCommie> i don't even do internet
            banking
           
         
        
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          4028 [23:36:34] <RedMercury> 'i irc as root'
           
         
        
          4029 [23:36:40] <bigMouthCommie> sometimes
           
         
        
          4030 [23:36:46] <bigMouthCommie> what do i care?
           
         
        
          4031 [23:36:47] <RedMercury> stick it to the man, man
           
         
        
          4032 [23:36:52] <bezaban> of course you have to learn, but 777
            gives all permissions to user, group and OTHERS. You should likely
            read up on perms (if you ever did)
           
         
        
          4033 [23:36:53] <RedMercury> they're not the boss of you
           
         
        
          4034 [23:37:09] <RedMercury> you should use templeos instead
           
         
        
          4035 [23:37:19] *** Parts: tristero
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          4036 [23:37:39] <moov> TomG2: ok, thank you!
           
         
        
          4037 [23:37:42] <bigMouthCommie> anyway... thanx for the help
            y'all. i'll put in some work l8r. right now, i just wanted
            to share this book...
           
         
        
          4038 [23:37:46] <bezaban> never happened to me, so it must be
            fine. welcome to the security management of every shit company and
            person out there
           
         
        
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          4040 [23:37:58] <bezaban> good luck  
         
        
          4041 [23:38:02] <TomG2> moov: i think it's a little tricky
           
         
        
          4042 [23:38:24] <moov> TomG2: ok, i'll read the web first ...
           
         
        
          4043 [23:38:41] <TomG2> sounds like a very good idea :)
           
         
        
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          4048 [23:41:07] <bezaban> I was tipsy, now I'm having a
            scotch. looking forward to next ;)
           
         
        
          4049 [23:41:22] <bezaban> but will be sleeping shortly
           
         
        
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