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3 [00:00:56] <g0zzy> I installed linkchecker then uninstalled
it with aptitude. A lot of python libs are still installed. I ran
aptitude autoclean
4 [00:01:17] * g0zzy mean libraries that were installed BY
linkchecker
5 [00:01:42] <format_c> g0zzy: aptitude purge removes all along
installed dependencies
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8 [00:02:14] <g0zzy> Right, actually i normally run with purge.
Don't know why i didn't
9 [00:02:43] <format_c> g0zzy: install it again, then purge it.
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15 [00:04:59] <g0zzy> No, I think they are still installed
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17 [00:05:22] <somiaj> it could be some of the libaries that got
installed are suggested by other packages you have installed.
18 [00:05:45] <somiaj> autoremove only removes auto packages
that other packges don't depend, recommend or suggest.
19 [00:06:16] <g0zzy> well they definitely came in as a result
of installing linkchecker
20 [00:06:55] <g0zzy>
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24 [00:08:32] <at0m> format_c: reinstall then purge? if anything
remains, that i like to remove, i open aptitude, locate the package
and "_" it if it still is marked as "c" (or is
that just for config files?)
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28 [00:10:05] <format_c> g0zzy: I just realize, that the second
installation doesn't require any dependency. Hence purge on
this second try doesn't have the wanted effect.... logically
:-(
29 [00:10:25] <g0zzy> Ah
30 [00:10:31] <format_c> at0m: I solely use aptitude as a
command line equivalent for apt-get.
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32 [00:11:04] <format_c> at0m: the semi-graphical interface is
IMHO somewhat lame.
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36 [00:12:50] <at0m> format_c: i use command line and ncurses
interface both, both have their purpose here. for example i like to
manually mark suggests for installation from within the ncurses
interface. probably cos i dont actively know how to do that from
console
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38 [00:14:03] <at0m> just reading man aptitude, "_"
marks for purging as i suspected, no further specifics there
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40 [00:15:04] <at0m> "removes config and assiciated data
files"
41 [00:15:06] <g0zzy> I ran aptitude why on python-enum34.
It's telling me that it's down at the leaf end of a
dependency tree started by something installed and a _suggestion_ of
that something ;)
42 [00:15:13] <at0m> *asociated
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44 [00:16:05] <agio> I'm trying to install an lxc container
and get basic networking into the container setup. I have setup the
bridge in the host using lxc-net service, but inside the container
there is no network interface present and still no networking. does
anyone know how to bring up the interface inside the container? or
any way to debug? e.g. if there are any log files which might
contain the errors?
45 [00:16:06] <g0zzy> But it definitely came in as a result only
of installing linkchecker
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48 [00:17:27] <format_c> g0zzy: Well bahm. Forgot to purge. Now
you have to do it by hand if you want to get them off your box.
49 [00:18:18] <g0zzy> Is it the case that there will be a
warning if any of those libraries is a dependency if i try to
aptitude remove them?
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52 [00:19:20] * g0zzy will run a script against all 10 if that's
the case
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54 [00:19:45] <format_c> g0zzy: you'll see if you try to
remove them ... if something else "have to be" removed
along.
55 [00:20:13] <format_c> So you'd carefully eval the
activity summary before hitting "Y"
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63 [00:24:14] <lenarhoyt> Hi. I'm trying to run openvpn on
boot and I've enabled it via rc-update, and it does start, and
I've configured the default script to load all config files,
however it does not seem to run any of them.
64 [00:24:42] <lenarhoyt> On the other hand, I can run the
service directly via service openvpn@myvpnclient start
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66 [00:25:13] <lenarhoyt> this runs, as expected, the client
specified in /etc/openvpn/myvpnclient.conf
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69 [00:25:39] <format_c> lenarhoyt: nowadays systemctl is the
utility of choice to influence startup services
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71 [00:25:53] <format_c> systemctl status openvpn@myvpnclient
72 [00:26:31] <format_c> What is the output of this command?
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76 [00:28:09] <lenarhoyt> format_c: active (running)
77 [00:28:15] <format_c> Enabled?
78 [00:28:28] <format_c> Enabled != Active
79 [00:28:36] <lenarhoyt> format_c: Aha! no it's disabled
80 [00:28:40] <format_c> Enabled == Start on Startup
81 [00:28:49] <format_c> then systemctl enable
openvpn@myvpnclient
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83 [00:29:40] <lenarhoyt> great, thanks a bunch. I'm goint
to test it. If it fails I'll have to wait til tomorrow though
because it will lock me out.
84 [00:29:49] <lenarhoyt> and no physical access to the server
85 [00:29:54] <format_c> good lick
86 [00:29:59] <lenarhoyt> thinks
87 [00:30:03] <karlpinc> lenarhoyt: Run an "at" job
that reboots.
88 [00:30:11] <karlpinc> lenarhoyt: (or resets, or whatever)
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90 [00:30:18] <format_c> karlpinc: just wanted to suggest the
same
91 [00:30:33] <format_c> kinda "reload in ..." on a
Cisco box ;-)
92 [00:31:43] <format_c> lenarhoyt: you are wilcome ;-)
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107 [00:42:43] <akko> nine
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114 [00:47:27] <agio> has anyone got lxc containers working on
debian?
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118 [00:50:17] <rant> nope, nobody has ever done it.. you'll
be the first. :P
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121 [00:52:21] <rant>
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122 [00:53:38] <agio> that documentation is broken
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125 [00:54:47] <cesurasean_> hey guys, im trying to install kali
linux on a laptop with a geforce gtx 1060 but when i try to install
nvidia-driver, it gives me a stack trace
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127 [00:55:08] <cesurasean_> anyway to install the driver so xorg
will load? i even tried from driver from nvidia website, and same
thing. stack trace.
128 [00:55:27] <rant> cesurasean_: you should try installing
debian, or go to a kali linux channel like #kali-linux
129 [00:55:49] <cesurasean_> kali is based on debian tho
130 [00:56:00] <rant> nobody cares
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132 [00:56:27] <rant> once they take our packages and modify
them, what makes you think we can reproduce or troubleshoot the
issues that arise?
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135 [00:56:56] <rant> not to mention kali is not meant to be used
with such things, its for penetration testing, meant to be used as a
tool, not a normal OS you install gfx drivers on
136 [00:57:35] <rant> !kali
137 [00:57:35] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
138 [00:57:39] <rant> !based on debian
139 [00:57:39] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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142 [00:58:48] <pagetelegram> Hi, on Deb8 whats a good article on
getting the Gobi2000 GSM modem working? Gobi3000 works fine on my
t420. However not working on my Getac b300 with Gobi2000. I gave my
t420 to my mother so I might do a card swap if I can't get
current setup working on Getac.
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144 [01:01:31] <rant> pagetelegram:
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146 [01:03:33] <pagetelegram> Great thank you!
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148 [01:03:58] <rant> pagetelegram: yes, well see the
"Discussion" tab as well, but for most things related to
thinkpads, thinkwiki is an invaluable resource
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150 [01:04:49] <rant> from what I gather you're gonna need
to do some manual firmware extraction for any hope
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152 [01:05:26] <pagetelegram> I see that. I might just grab the
3000 out, my mom aint ever need it.
153 [01:06:48] <rant> yeah idk.. I only ever used usb ones, and
they werent terribly difficult to use
154 [01:07:02] <rant> I never had a machine with the optional
mini pci module
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176 [01:24:10] <maxrazer> Does anyone know how to confirm that I
installed deadbeef player with gdebi? I can't seem to get any
command to run it.
177 [01:24:52] <maxrazer> I also couldn't figure out how to
install it to /opt/deadbeef
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181 [01:31:06] <n4dir> i think you coul unpack the according *dep
file and look where it will install. locate, which, etc probably
won't work, as you seem to miss the correct packagename and/or
path.
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185 [01:34:59] <maxrazer> n4dir, I don't really follow.
gdebi asked me if I want to install and I said yes and I don't
see any errors. My working directory was /Downloads. I can't
find any command like "deadb..." that will run the program
though.
186 [01:35:38] <rant> maxrazer: dpkg -L deadbeef
187 [01:35:53] <rant> that'll list the paths of the files
installed
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189 [01:36:52] <maxrazer> Oh, you know what. I think it installed
to /opt and that isn't in my path, so I can't run it.
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193 [01:37:24] <maxrazer> That command showed me a ton of paths,
but at the top it said /opt/deadbeef
194 [01:37:42] <rant> so symlink the executable to /usr/local/bin
or change your path
195 [01:37:46] <maxrazer> I used that path and was able to run
it, thanks.
196 [01:38:01] <n4dir> once installed as a deb dpkg -L should
work too, i meant to look at the deadbeef.deb package with dpkg -c
*deb.
197 [01:38:12] <n4dir> i don't do that often though ...
198 [01:38:14] <rant> personally I'd symlink the executable,
it'd be simple
199 [01:39:11] <maxrazer> So, put a symlink in /usr/local/bin to
the /opt/deadbeef/bin/deadbeef and /usr/local/bin is normally
already in the path, so it will show up from any working directory?
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205 [01:40:58] <n4dir> short ago i tried something like that with
seamonkey. didn't work well, as there is (perhaps) more in
/opt/deadbeaf than only bin/deadbeef ...
206 [01:41:12] <n4dir> i got help from here, but forgot what
exactly i did. shame.
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208 [01:41:21] <n4dir> worth a try for sure.
209 [01:41:31] <maxrazer> Just adding /opt to the path would make
sense right?
210 [01:42:03] <n4dir> iirc tried that too, but it would look for
/opt/bin and such, not for /opt/deadbeef.
211 [01:42:44] <n4dir> as you see i am not really in the subject.
Only trying to tell you: might be more difficult than you assume.
Don't get nervous
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213 [01:43:17] <rant> no because most things that use opt use a
windows Program Files style approach where each program has its own
subdir rather than seperating its parts into bin/ share/ etc like
/usr/local
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215 [01:43:46] <rant> which is why its simpler to just link the
executable to /usr/local/bin or /opt/bin which is already in the
path
216 [01:44:16] <rant> well /opt/bin isn't in the path by
default but /usr/local/bin is
217 [01:44:37] <n4dir> i mean: ln is done quickly. Just try and
see ...
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224 [01:53:31] <n4dir> for what it's worth: i used a wrapper
script (? correct name) and put it in ~/bin
225 [01:53:36] <n4dir> exec /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey
"$@"
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227 [01:53:49] <n4dir> and the shebang is all it contains.
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233 [01:58:14] <maxrazer> I added "/opt/deadbeef/bin"
to my .profile
234 [01:58:28] <n4dir> works?
235 [01:58:28] <maxrazer> That works
236 [01:58:35] <n4dir> cool then. sorry for the noise
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238 [01:59:04] <maxrazer> Wouldn't there be a way to add
/opt and just have it include all the subdirectories?
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240 [01:59:34] <n4dir> i asked here, and iirc jelly helped me
with it. He was a bit astonished too. Perhaps only a seamonkey
problem?
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245 [02:02:30] <maxrazer> It seems I have to do "source
.profile" each time though.
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248 [02:05:19] <n4dir> .profile gets sourced when you log in.
bashrc gets sourced each time you open a shell. Somehow like that
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288 [02:33:43] <annadane> btw i still get screen blanking even
with xset s off && xset -dpms and exec i3 in .xsession
289 [02:33:52] <annadane> er, don't* get screen blanking
290 [02:33:58] <annadane> wait, do get screen blanking...
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292 [02:34:03] <annadane> lol. sorry.
293 [02:34:41] <annadane> but anyway i'm on xfce now so i
don't really want to fool around with it just now, but any
hints welcome
294 [02:35:54] <annadane>
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295 [02:35:56] <n4dir> annadane: did you try to run the xset
command manualy yet? If that works, i would just put a script in
~/bin and start it via xfce autostart
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298 [02:36:34] <annadane> i still don't remember whether
that itself works or not, i haven't vigorously tested it, but
ok i'll consider that
299 [02:38:09] <annadane> n4dir, also xfce already has a control
panel thing for power, i don't need it in xfce, i need it in i3
300 [02:38:15] <n4dir> annadane: like said the other day: iirc
greycat explained that if using a display-manager, other stuff will
get "sourced" when logging in. All very confusing, so i
always go for the most easy solution (bin + autostart)
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307 [02:44:47] <annadane> yeah i'd just have to configure i3
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started, i have to research how to do it
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318 [02:49:24] <annadane> oh wait no, it's really simple
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364 [03:24:55] <n4dir> annadane: you don't plan to say how?
365 [03:25:49] <annadane> i'm pretty sure you can just exec
--no-start-up-id ./screenscript.sh
366 [03:25:59] <annadane> in .config/i3/config
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368 [03:26:19] <annadane> er, exec --no-startup-id "bash
screenscript.sh"
369 [03:26:56] <n4dir> ah.i see (i for one don't know i3, as
i am not much in tiling)
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399 [04:00:26] <agio> does anyone know how to ssh into a debian
lxc image?
400 [04:00:32] <agio> container I mean?
401 [04:00:54] <agio> it seems sshd - by default - denies logging
in!
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406 [04:06:08] <aloo_shu> I don't know off the top of my
head, agio, just remember that for sshd first use, you may need to
generate a key pair first. the man page (man sshd in a terminal
window) should bring more enlightenment
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408 [04:08:03] <agio> its just a container with no access to the
outside world, so I tried to enable password logins with:
"PasswwordAuthenictaion yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and
restarted ssh service - but I still cant' log in to the
container
409 [04:09:02] <nyov> if that's how you wrote it, no wonder
it's not working :) spell-check it maybe
410 [04:09:18] <agio> I uncommented what was there
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413 [04:11:03] <agio> fixed \o/
414 [04:11:22] <agio> needed to add PermitRootLogin yes and
restart sshd
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436 [04:25:13] <outoftime> I need newer version of Fifechan, deb
package for stretch contain module for python2, I need it for
python3. I have found how to build it with hands
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449 [04:45:25] <golinux> outoftime: Not one of these?
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450 [04:49:16] <outoftime> golinux: I need it for python
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456 [04:56:11] <outoftime> golinux: if you think I'm dumb
ass about all this - I am. Point me to the right place, if you can,
please.
457 [04:56:56] <nyov> ,v fifechan
458 [04:56:57] <judd> No package named 'fifechan' was
found in amd64.
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461 [04:57:30] <golinux> I have never even heard about that. Just
a librarian of sorts
462 [04:57:46] <golinux> bbl
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465 [05:00:25] <outoftime> nyov: fifengie
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467 [05:00:45] <outoftime> judd: fifechan is a part of fifengine
468 [05:01:30] <nyov> judd doesn't care
469 [05:01:47] <nyov> outoftime: you want a newer version of it,
or what?
470 [05:01:49] <outoftime>
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471 [05:03:06] <outoftime> nyov: yes, I want to send few patches
to unknown-horizons, but I need new fersion of fife for python3 to
test it a bit.
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473 [05:03:39] <nyov> ,v python-fife
474 [05:03:41] <judd> Package: python-fife on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.3.3+r3-3; jessie: 0.3.5-1+b1; stretch: 0.4.0-3+deb9u1
475 [05:04:02] <nyov> looks like sid has 0.4.1 - is that the
latest?
476 [05:04:04] <outoftime> nyov: buster have python3-fife
477 [05:04:09] <nyov> ,v python-fife3
478 [05:04:10] <judd> No package named 'python-fife3'
was found in amd64.
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481 [05:04:27] <nyov> judd: y u no show buster
482 [05:04:46] <nyov> outoftime: I don't think so?
483 [05:05:05] <outoftime> nyov:
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484 [05:05:07] <nyov> oh indeed, there it is
485 [05:05:17] <nyov> so? install it
486 [05:06:48] <outoftime> nyov: it have different dependancies
with stretch. I can broke existing system... that is what
debian-reference sad...
487 [05:07:08] <nyov> hmm, okay
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489 [05:11:25] <n4dir> outoftime: if all you want to do is to a
few tests with fife, running those in a debian testing or sid chroot
isn't an option for you?
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491 [05:15:05] <outoftime> n4dir: actually, it can work.
492 [05:16:22] <karlpinc> outoftime: The usual way to approach a
python problem is to make a virtual enviornment and install the
latest python packages in it using pip. (or something)
493 [05:17:16] <outoftime> karlpinc: I now, but it require
python3-fife which can be built with cmake
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494 [05:17:31] <outoftime> karlpinc: have now idea how pip3 will
help in this situation
495 [05:18:11] <karlpinc> outoftime: You can also ask in #python
if you don't get help here.
496 [05:18:58] <outoftime> karlpinc: I'm sure that is it
about how to deal with library, not python.
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504 [05:27:39] <outoftime> karlpinc: I just can not imagine
situation where I can miss something after such long term using
python. Maybe it is just my pride as python dev, but still.
505 [05:28:03] <nyov> outoftime: want to have a backport for
stretch?
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507 [05:31:05] <nyov> hm, perhaps not
508 [05:31:48] <outoftime> nyov: oh, really, thank you for an
idea, I've started to read
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511 [05:33:38] <nyov> fife depends on the newer version of
fifengine, so you need to build both
512 [05:34:02] <nyov> apparently it takes some time as well...
513 [05:34:24] <outoftime> nyov: I need knowladge, I have time.
514 [05:34:39] <nyov> outoftime: well if you want to have a
package, it looks like it built okay
515 [05:34:55] <n4dir> !ssb
516 [05:35:08] <n4dir> do : /msg dpkg ssb
517 [05:35:18] <n4dir> like simple sid backport.
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519 [05:36:18] <n4dir> usual approach is to first look in
stable-backports if it is there. If it isn't, backport yourself
(if possible)
520 [05:36:19] <nyov> how do I use this thing? 'import
fife'?
521 [05:38:09] <outoftime> nyov: yes
522 [05:38:13] <nyov> buwäh SWIG bindings
523 [05:38:45] <nyov> import works
524 [05:38:52] <nyov> okay nice waste of time
525 [05:39:02] <nyov> rm *.deb
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527 [05:39:28] <nyov> unless you want the debs...?
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529 [05:40:00] <outoftime> nyov: deb in backports?
530 [05:41:18] <n4dir> outoftime: again, those are two
approaches. The one is to look if the package is in
debian-stable-backports, the other is to backport yourself (in that
case nyov )
531 [05:43:02] <nyov> right. I can't upload backports to the
archive. so I just built this locally
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538 [05:51:58] <outoftime> n4dir:
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539 [05:52:27] <n4dir> yes.
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541 [05:53:02] <n4dir> recommended way to build yourself is to
use a chroot, i think, so you might just as well try what i said
above.
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547 [06:01:27] <outoftime> n4dir: do you have some sort of a
manual about how to do it (chroot into stretch to build *.deb)?
548 [06:01:59] <outoftime> n4dir: I have runned search by source
packages
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549 [06:02:07] <n4dir> outoftime: it's straight forward. go
to wiki.debian.net and search for debootstrap
550 [06:02:38] <n4dir> the bot of this channel probably knows
too: do /msg dpkg debootstrap (for unknown reasons i can't
trigger the bot myself)
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552 [06:02:59] <nyov>
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555 [06:03:32] <nyov> this is the easiest way. without using a
chroot or buildd
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587 [07:07:33] <themusicgod1> When building a package which
I'm trying to create (with debuild -us -uc -b)...lintian
reports debian-changelog-file-missing / no-copyright-file ...but
both are clearly there. What could I be doing wrong?
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627 [07:40:28] <DocScrutinizer05> ~dstats
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629 [07:41:41] <DocScrutinizer05> meh! please sort issues with
apt by querying the bot op you asked to join the bot to your channel
(or any other bot operator). A +q on a bot you invited makes no
sense
630 [07:42:53] <DocScrutinizer05> I admit it might be tricky to
find out who invted apt back in unixtime _time_added =>
1071959959
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632 [07:43:38] <themill> um, no. it is there to do a function
that does not include talking to you
633 [07:43:39] <DocScrutinizer05> but it defintely had to be a
debian chanop or the chan owner
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636 [07:44:45] <DocScrutinizer05> themill: tell me what function
that is and I configure the bot so it does what you want
637 [07:45:14] <themill> umm, I don't recognise you as the
bot's owner.
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639 [07:45:36] <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not the owner
640 [07:45:45] <DocScrutinizer05> just an operator
641 [07:45:52] <DocScrutinizer05> Tim riker is the owner
642 [07:46:04] <jim> maybe that means you can't change
things about that bot?
643 [07:46:05] <themill> it should not respond to anything in
this channel; it can't, so it is working fine.
644 [07:46:12] <tmg1|wicksell> aha. it's because i overrode
install: in 'debian/rules', which must be where the
copyright/changelog is put into the correct directory for packing
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646 [07:47:04] <darxmurf> morning
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649 [07:48:04] <themill> (also, you could just talk to us in
#debian-ops about this rather than ranting about it)
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672 [08:21:07] <[jasper]> hej guys, I want to install
postfixadmin with apt-get .... however my mail server is on a
different docker container then my webserver.
673 [08:21:20] <[jasper]> how can I only install postfixadmin
without getting all the extra stuff like postfix itself?
674 [08:21:59] <rant> ,depends postfixadmin
675 [08:22:01] <judd> Package postfixadmin in stretch/amd64 --
depends: debconf (>= 0.5), dbconfig-common,
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676 [08:22:38] <rant> I'm not seeing where it depends on
postfix
677 [08:22:51] <jelly> [jasper]: --no-install-recommends
678 [08:22:53] <rant> seems it only depends on things it actually
needs to operate
679 [08:23:20] <[jasper]> thanks!
680 [08:23:23] <rant> is apt-get pulling recommends now too?
681 [08:23:32] <[jasper]> rant what do you mean? it doess install
extra packages when I try to install it
682 [08:23:35] <rant> or are you using apt and when you said
apt-get
683 [08:23:49] <rant> [jasper]: your question said
"apt-get" not "apt"
684 [08:24:12] <themill> apt-get has installed recommended
packages for about a decade
685 [08:24:27] <jelly> treachery!
686 [08:24:32] <rant> hmm.. goes to show how much I pay attention
687 [08:24:34] <rant> heh
688 [08:24:52] <Haohmaru> i guess that applies for synaptic too?
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691 [08:25:18] <[jasper]> rant:
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692 [08:25:20] <jelly> (and mod-php probably should not be the
first choice in php APIs in stretch)
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695 [08:26:01] <rant> ,recommends postfixadmin
696 [08:26:02] <judd> Package postfixadmin in stretch/amd64 --
recommends: postfix-mysql | postfix-pgsql, virtual-mysql-server |
postgresql | sqlite (>= 3.12.0), mariadb-server, zendframework,
dovecot-core | courier-authlib-mysql | courier-authlib-postgresql,
php-cli.
697 [08:27:22] <[jasper]> judd thatÅ› indeed what i see when I add
--no-install-recommends to the command
698 [08:28:02] <[jasper]> I still don't really see how it
would depend on a virtual-mysql-server but I guess I don't
really mind installing that either
699 [08:28:04] <rant> I tried php once but it left me feeling
like my face was melting, and everything looked like a kalidescope..
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701 [08:28:21] <jelly> [jasper]: aptitude might act stmarter than
apt-get
702 [08:28:54] <jelly> [jasper]: the relevant option is -R or
--without-recommends there
703 [08:29:25] <jelly> judd is just a bot
704 [08:29:28] <[jasper]> oh funny. I always thought those were
kind of the same tools but the aptitude being a little smarter
keeping track of things
705 [08:29:36] <jelly> judd: botsnack
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711 [08:30:32] <[jasper]> :p
712 [08:30:34] <jelly> I mean it may act smarter in this
particular case. It figures dependencies out in a slightly different
way
713 [08:30:40] <rant> [jasper]: apt, apt-get / apt-cache,
aptitude, dselect, dpkg, etc are all totally different tools
714 [08:31:44] <[jasper]> jelly, I think Iḿ happy with apt-get
install --no-install-recommends postfixadmin . This installs the
following: libc-client2007e mlock php-imap php7.0-imap postfixadmin
replaced-url
715 [08:31:50] <[jasper]> which sounds about right
716 [08:32:00] <[jasper]> thanks for the help guys!
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719 [08:33:13] <rant> o.O thats a horrible name for that
package.. libc-client2007e
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722 [08:34:14] <rant> granted the devs seem to be calling it a
"c-client library" which is stupid in and of itself.. but
still..
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727 [08:35:49] <rant> they should've went with something
more conventional like libuwimap-cclient or something
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730 [08:36:08] <rant> makes me think its part of libc when I see
that name
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732 [08:37:14] * rant is tempted to file a bug :P
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741 [08:45:23] <jelly> I had a similar reaction 20 years ago when
I first saw uw-imap's library name
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746 [08:47:36] <jelly> however that means it's been
"c-client" for 20+ years now and is probably not going to
change
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749 [08:49:30] <rant> oh well.. thats them damn seattle folk for
ya..
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789 [09:13:14] <anzipex> How to print installed package name and
version of that package in one line?
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793 [09:15:05] <BCMM> anzipex: in this scenario, what do you
already know about the package? i mean, is the package name your
input here?
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798 [09:16:23] <anzipex> It's installed deb, so i can see it
like: dpkg --get-selections | grep mypackage
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801 [09:16:46] <BCMM> anzipex: i mean, do you want something
different from `dpkg -l packagename`?
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809 [09:19:40] <anzipex> Well, i see that `dpkg -l packagename`
shows me name, version, architecture and description
810 [09:19:58] <anzipex> How to print only package name and
version from this?
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812 [09:20:38] <anzipex> I guess i need something like awk
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816 [09:22:23] <rant> anzipex: dpkg -l | grep libc6 | awk
'{print $2 " " $3}'
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819 [09:23:07] <anzipex> Thanks, that's what i needed :)
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828 [09:33:59] <jelly> rant: what's wrong with dpkg -l libc6
829 [09:34:57] <jelly> or dpkg -s libc6
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834 [09:36:48] <jelly> anzipex: slightly safer: dpkg -l
packagename | tail -n1 | awk ...
835 [09:37:35] <rant> well the tail thing wont work with
multiarch for one thing :P
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852 [09:45:35] <anzipex> jelly, i guess tail -n1 prints only 1
coincidence
853 [09:46:17] <jelly> just the last line, yes. dpkg -l foo can
have more than one result on multiarch-enabled systems.
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857 [09:47:08] <jelly> and it always shows the header
858 [09:48:01] <jelly> omit it and see what happens
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879 [09:55:47] <anzipex> It prints all packages specified in grep
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1009 [11:36:39] <mjkr> any chance
replaced-url
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1016 [11:43:09] <themill> highly unlikely from what I've seen
-- not enough people care about doing the icky work to fix the bugs
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1097 [12:45:07] <[jasper]> hej guys, when I use apt-get install
could it be that it makes use of environment variables I've
before?
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1105 [12:47:11] <[jasper]> ok already found it!
1106 [12:47:19] <gst568923> hi guys I have a problem with Debian
Stretch regarding vainfo and i965-va-driver
1107 [12:48:06] <gst568923>
replaced-url
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1112 [12:51:58] <gst568923> the current packages are been removed:
libvdpau-va-gl1, vdpau-driver-all, mesa-va-drivers, va-driver-all
1113 [12:52:32] <petn-randall> gst568923: nouveau is the driver
for nvidia cards, seems as though you're doing something wrong.
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1116 [12:53:09] <petn-randall> gst568923: Let's start with
the following: What are you trying to do, what steps did you take to
accomplish it, what results did you get, and what did you expect
instead?
1117 [12:53:17] <gst568923> petn-randall I have 2 GPU card: Nvdia
GT 705 and Intel HD Graphics
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1120 [12:54:32] <gst568923> petn-randall I would like use Intel
Video Hardware Acceleration because Nvidia GT 705 require a blob
firmware that not work fine
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1122 [12:55:34] <gst568923> petn-randall Yesterday I have talked
with mpv team and they says that is a problem of Debian package
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1125 [12:57:07] <petn-randall> gst568923: What CPU are you
running? Do you know if you have "optimus" hybrid
graphics?
1126 [12:57:57] <gst568923> petn-randall Quad core Intel Core
i5-4460 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
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1128 [12:58:16] <regdude> Debian has packages like
"harden-tools", is there a way to find exactly what is in
them?
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1133 [12:58:56] <petn-randall> regdude: If you run 'dpkg -L
<package>', it will list the files contained in that
package. It needs to be installed, though.
1134 [12:59:23] <petn-randall> regdude: If you don't have it
installed, you can run 'apt-file show <package>' to
list it.
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1138 [13:02:41] <gst568923> petn-randall my pc is a dell inspiron
3847 and that is the specs of video card:
1139 [13:02:48] <regdude> petn-randall: thanks! that should give
me a clue what it does
1140 [13:02:50] <gst568923> Uploaded file:
replaced-url
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1143 [13:04:16] <petn-randall> gst568923: Ah, so it's a
Desktop. And it has different video output connectors for integrated
graphics, and the video card, right?
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1145 [13:04:51] <gst568923> petn-randall the command inxi return
me:
1146 [13:04:57] <gst568923> Card-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen
Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller Card-2: NVIDIA GF119
[GeForce GT 705]
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1153 [13:06:15] <gst568923> petn-randall the video monitor
connector are: VGA into motherboard and VGA/DVI into Nvidia GF119, I
have connected the monitor into DVI
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1155 [13:07:22] <petn-randall> gst568923: If the monitor is
connected to the nvidia graphics card, you need to use the nvidia
driver, as the integrated graphics card cannot output video via the
nvidia card.
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1157 [13:10:17] <gst568923> petn-randall If I force in bashrc
export LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=i965 export VDPAU_DRIVER=va_gl this is the
output:
replaced-url
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1159 [13:10:47] <gst568923> petn-randall Debian version is 9.5
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1171 [13:21:11] <gst568923> ?
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1173 [13:21:51] <petn-randall> gst568923: Did you read my last
message?
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1176 [13:24:57] <petn-randall> gst568923: If you want to use the
DVI output from the nvidia card, you need to use that driver. If you
want to use the intel output, you need to plug the monitor into your
mainboard.
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1180 [13:26:48] <gst568923> petn-randall I understand, can I use
intel video decoding and redirect the output to the nvidia card via
vaapi-copy?
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1182 [13:28:27] <gst568923> petn-randall I read a bit on the web
and I have found VDPAU backend VAAPI but I don't understand
fine what means
1183 [13:29:20] <jelly> gst568923: how does nvidia + firmware +
vdpau for decoding fail?
1184 [13:29:44] <jelly> (on other words, why even bother with
intel)
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1186 [13:31:21] <gst568923> jelly I tryed to extract firmware blog
for NVD9 with this tool
replaced-url
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1188 [13:32:39] <jelly> gst568923: when I had nvidia there was a
way to slice it out of unpacked nvidia-installer files
1189 [13:33:34] <jelly> gst568923: NVD9 is a LOT newer than
NV84-NV98 those scripts are supposed to be used with
1190 [13:34:09] <jelly> gst568923:
replaced-url
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1192 [13:34:25] <gst568923> with that tool I was able to extract
the firmware blob of an old version of the nvidia drivers, the
latest driver version is not supported by that tool, so I tried
(with the version "340.32") to insert in / lib / firmware
but they give problems to the point that debian freeze
1193 [13:36:38] <jelly> sorry.
replaced-url
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1195 [13:36:59] <jelly> but right, if it fails with newer
versions, try to ask in #nouveau for help with that
1196 [13:38:59] <jelly> gst568923: which specific firmware files
does your card want? My GT720 used to work well with files extracted
way back in 2015
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1216 [13:55:03] <gst568923> jelly for extracting firmware you have
used demmio?
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1219 [13:57:49] <jelly> gst568923: no, I used the script and
nvidia-driver files, way back when
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1224 [14:00:28] <gst568923> jelly If the firmware extraction
should fail, can I use vaapi-copy or vaapi?
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1228 [14:08:44] <gst568923> nouveau have a VAAPI built-in?
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1230 [14:11:26] <gst568923> should I reinstall mesa-va-drivers and
libvdpau-va-gl1?
1231 [14:11:44] <beardy> !why is libpam-ssh-agent-auth not in
testing
1232 [14:11:44] <dpkg> libpam-ssh-agent-auth is not in testing for
the reasons listed in
replaced-url
1233 [14:11:48] <gst568923> because mpv team says me to remove it
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1240 [14:17:20] <hexhaxtron> Can someone suggest me an alternative
to cPanel?
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1251 [14:21:48] <Antares_>
replaced-url
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1256 [14:24:46] <petn-randall> Antares_: Wrong channel?
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1291 [14:51:22] <karlpinc> hexhaxtron: All those web sysadm
interfaces suck.
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1295 [14:53:36] <jelly> hexhaxtron: plesk?
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1299 [14:53:44] <karlpinc> hexhaxtron: You have to translate what
they are doing into what the underllying daemons etc really need.
This just adds another layer of complication on top of what you
already need to understand. Plus there's never a way to add
comments to record why you setup things as you did, unlike with
config files, and so it's inevitably harder to work with as
time goes forward.
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1302 [14:54:02] <jelly> hexhaxtron: are you prepared to pay money
for it?
1303 [14:54:51] <darxmurf> jelly sorry to disturb again, you can
maybe help a bit with this admin user config on my samba stuff ?
1304 [14:55:02] <jelly> karlpinc: "never a way to add
comments" this is why you DOCUMENT things
1305 [14:55:14] <darxmurf> and how to add a user in the
"BUILTIN\Administrators" group ?
1306 [14:55:14] <jelly> darxmurf: I'm not the right person
for samba
1307 [14:55:34] <darxmurf> damn, nobody is the right person for
samba ^^
1308 [14:55:48] <jelly> people in #samba channel might be
1309 [14:56:30] <darxmurf> well, I'm on it ^^
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1314 [14:58:31] <its_Mansoor> jelly suggest you to discuss in
forums about SAMBA, about adding user to a usergroup, simplest way
is using this command: "adduser username groupename"
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1320 [15:00:18] <jelly> its_Mansoor: darxmurf is asking about it,
not me
1321 [15:00:46] <darxmurf> its_Mansoor: it's a bit more
complicated as this server is an AD domain member and configured
with kerberos and ldap...
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1326 [15:03:25] <jelly> then you ask you Enterprise Admin or
Domain Admin to add it I guess
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1329 [15:03:56] <its_Mansoor> darxmurf then i'm not the guy
who can help you LOL, spend little time on wiki and forum instead of
irc, that would be much more helpful
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1331 [15:04:09] <anzipex> How to make dpkg-deb -I for all packages
in folder?
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1334 [15:04:38] <anzipex> Something like: dpkg-deb -I
/media/usb/*.deb
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1339 [15:06:51] <its_Mansoor> anzipex did you tried "for file
in *.deb; do unrar e $file; done" ?
1340 [15:07:08] <themill> umm
1341 [15:07:20] <themill> anzipex: what are you wanting to
achieve?
1342 [15:07:44] <its_Mansoor> anzipex sorry wrong command,
i've wrote that for a unrar process and just replaced rar with
deb, gimme a minute
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1345 [15:09:38] <its_Mansoor> anzipex this one should work
"for file in *.deb; do dpkg-deb -I $file; done"
1346 [15:09:40] <anzipex> I just need to get all Package names in
folder
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1349 [15:10:34] <its_Mansoor> note: you have to navigate to that
path first, then run the command
1350 [15:10:58] <anzipex> That's what i needed
1351 [15:10:59] <anzipex> Thanks
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1353 [15:11:41] <its_Mansoor> yw
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1358 [15:13:04] <themill> anzipex: -W might be more useful than -I
btw
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1363 [15:14:34] <anzipex> Hm.. Okay
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1370 [15:16:23] <dyl0n> hi
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1373 [15:17:38] <darxmurf> hi dyl0n
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1375 [15:18:27] <ppettina> hi guys!
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1377 [15:19:02] <ppettina> see:
replaced-url
1378 [15:19:03] <ppettina> does anyone know why "pie" is
disabled from the hardening options in the python3.6 package?
1379 [15:19:15] <ppettina> (or, who/where to ask)
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1383 [15:21:29] <themill> I have a recollection of that causing
segfaults
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1394 [15:24:29] <jelly> ,v python3.6
1395 [15:24:30] <judd> Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster:
3.6.6-1; sid: 3.6.7~rc2-1
1396 [15:24:34] <jelly> ,v python3.7
1397 [15:24:35] <judd> Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster:
3.7.0-1; sid: 3.7.1~rc2-1
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1410 [15:36:18] <ppettina> thanks themill, any chances of that
being reassessed?
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1412 [15:37:26] <ppettina> (have raised a bug:
replaced-url
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1416 [15:38:28] <themill> ppettina: some rationale as to why this
is a good change to make would be worth including in that bug
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1419 [15:39:14] <themill> I'm not sure if testing to show
that loading non-pie extensions still works would also be needed
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1421 [15:39:54] <themill> You're probably also more
interested in python3.7 btw
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1425 [15:40:13] <ppettina> FYI python3 on Ubuntu Yakkety was
shipped with PIE --- if relevant
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1430 [15:41:57] <themill> I thought it had the same maintainer
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1432 [15:42:51] <ppettina> indeed, at some point hardening with
PIE became default, and I guess later was disabled upstream by doko?
1433 [15:43:20] <themill> looks that way
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1473 [16:11:28] <bolovanos> hithere
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1477 [16:14:25] <bolovanos> I would like to install
monitoring/graphing tool (network, system, output html) on Deb 9. Is
there something apt-get fast with free sources?
1478 [16:14:44] <bolovanos> I was about to install cacti - but
it's non-free and long way to setup...
1479 [16:14:52] <bolovanos> what would you suggest?
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1482 [16:18:08] <nyov> bolovanos: netdata might fit those specs
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1485 [16:19:49] <nyov> package is netdata
1486 [16:19:55] <nyov> examples @
replaced-url
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1488 [16:21:41] <bolovanos> nyov, looks usable, thank you!
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1490 [16:23:59] <bolovanos> nyov, btw - by looking at demo - is it
only realtime, or is there a chance to choos time frame?
1491 [16:24:01] <nyov> of course there are tons more. so doing
some research is probably best
1492 [16:24:48] <bolovanos> yes there are (going through
replaced-url
1493 [16:26:04] <nyov> if you are on the demo-site, you can hover
over the graphs to see a point in time measurement. drag and scroll
for time-frames
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1528 [16:46:17] <emucla> bolovanos this may help you ->
replaced-url
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1534 [16:48:27] <jelly> bolovanos: how many machines do you plan
to manage?
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1536 [16:48:38] <jelly> 1, 10, 1000?
1537 [16:48:58] <bolovanos> emucla, neat, thank you :)
1538 [16:49:09] <bolovanos> jelly, at this moment just 1
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1555 [16:56:58] <jelly> bolovanos: look at something like monit,
then
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1557 [16:57:49] <jelly> sorry, munin, not monit
1558 [16:58:03] <jelly> bolovanos: ^
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1584 [17:09:18] <filipdevuan_> hey im trying to use apt-get
install but i get these errors even from root dpkg: warning:
'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
1585 [17:09:18] <filipdevuan_> dpkg: warning:
'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
1586 [17:09:18] <dpkg> filipdevuan_: That isn't enough
detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1587 [17:09:29] <filipdevuan_> dpkg: warning:
'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
1588 [17:09:30] <dpkg> filipdevuan_: That isn't enough
detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
1589 [17:09:35] <filipdevuan_> dpkg: warning:
'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
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1593 [17:11:24] <greycat> filipdevuan_: Sounds like you are not
using Debian stable. Please note that the 'su' command
changed behavior in buster. It doesn't add /sbin and /usr/sbin
to PATH any more. You have to do that yourself now. THANKS, RED HAT.
1594 [17:12:08] <filipdevuan_> oh great
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1597 [17:12:56] <filipdevuan_> so how am i supposed to add myself
into sudoers group if adduser command not available
1598 [17:13:20] <greycat>
PATH=/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin
1599 [17:13:43] <greycat> ought to be sufficient for 99% of cases
1600 [17:14:26] <bolovanos> jelly, that was a hit - up and
running. Thank you!
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1602 [17:14:41] <filipdevuan_> fil is not in the sudoers file.
This incident will be reported.
1603 [17:15:06] <jelly> filipdevuan_: you wouldn't by any
chance by running Devuan instead of Debian would you?
1604 [17:15:06] <filipdevuan_> oh gosh im so fed up with this
fking computers!!!! i wanna play diablo 3 and i have optimus
graphics card. on devuan i have got problems with setting bumblebee
up
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1606 [17:15:14] <filipdevuan_> here i have got problems with su
and apt-get
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1608 [17:15:19] <jelly> just askin
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1610 [17:15:28] <filipdevuan_> manjaro and other have google DNS
im fed up
1611 [17:16:04] <filipdevuan_> what distro can i use that
won't piss me off all the time, windows 10 pisses me off too!!!
1612 [17:16:23] <jelly> optimus is the real problem, not distros
1613 [17:16:31] <filipdevuan_> i used devuan and id use it if
there wasnt optimus in my fking laptop
1614 [17:16:31] <greycat> Well the obvious question is, why did
you use a non-stable Debian?
1615 [17:16:41] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: Maybe you should pay
someone to take care of your computer problems? If you really
don't have any time to fix it?
1616 [17:16:46] <filipdevuan_> iv read on winehq that diablo 3
works gold on it
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1618 [17:16:57] <filipdevuan_> well is there any command to
downgrade back to 9??
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1621 [17:17:03] <petn-randall> !downgrade
1622 [17:17:04] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
1623 [17:17:17] <jelly> filipdevuan_: short answer: no
1624 [17:17:21] <filipdevuan_> ok
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1627 [17:17:50] <filipdevuan_> hmm so if there is something not
okay with 10 buster i guess its gonna be stable debian soon and in
the future 9 wont be supported by debian anymore
1628 [17:17:50] <filipdevuan_> ?
1629 [17:18:19] <greycat> Probably not for another 6-10 months.
1630 [17:18:30] <greycat> !buster freeze
1631 [17:18:30] <dpkg> Buster will start the freeze process on
2019-01-12 see
replaced-url
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1634 [17:20:05] <filipdevuan_> yeah i should blame myself that i
bought dual graphics card but how could i have known that its such a
pain here on gnu linux why nobody told me
1635 [17:20:07] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: Debian 9 will still
be supported for at least a year after 10 is released, likely 5
years more if the LTS team picks up the work as they have done in
the last two releases.
1636 [17:20:29] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: Did you ask anyone
before buying it?
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1641 [17:20:52] <filipdevuan_> well nobody asked me if i wanna
windows 10 with laptop ;/
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1644 [17:21:26] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: So you're
complaining that nobody told you, even though you never asked?
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1650 [17:22:45] <filipdevuan_> im complaining that i have problems
with playing diablo 3 on my laptop while windows 10 and arch distros
are too convenient ;/
1651 [17:23:03] <filipdevuan_> id like to use debian not arch or
m$
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1656 [17:24:18] <jelly> depending on your card, kernel and mesa
versions and the phase of the moon, nouveau MIGHT work on testing or
unstable right now
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1659 [17:25:06] <jelly> maybe if I buy that Thinkpad 25 I can get
some experience with optimus
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1663 [17:27:57] <GroovyNoodle> test
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1667 [17:28:26] <jelly> GroovyNoodle: test failed
1668 [17:28:28] <filipdevuan_> don't bother this optimus is
pain in the ***. i like devuan very much and winehq runs smoothly
and everything but i have very big problems with setting the
bumblebee and primus up and i just cant use my geforce on there!!!!
that drives me insane
1669 [17:29:02] <filipdevuan_> i think im gonna reinstall this
debian again later and get back to 9
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1674 [17:29:43] <filipdevuan_> but if its not gonna be supported
because of 10 and i cant add myself to sudoers and i get bugs while
using apt-get using su then i just dont know whats really going on
with the world of gnu linux
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1676 [17:29:45] <GroovyNoodle> haha oops!
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1679 [17:30:50] <filipdevuan_> im just pissed off very much that i
have something like nvidia geforce that i cant use on any distro
without installing damn bumblebee
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1682 [17:31:07] <greycat> Debian 9 support will almost certainly
continue for a few years after buster's release.
1683 [17:31:11] <filipdevuan_> so i end up using laptop with just
intel integrated card and i overpaid
1684 [17:32:03] <filipdevuan_> another bollocks is that this
nvidia geforce on this gaycer laptop fking overheats ***** junk
stole my money
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1686 [17:32:56] <filipdevuan_> yeah sorry im just fed up with
everything and another thing is google i installed manjaro and it
has everything running out of a box
1687 [17:33:14] <filipdevuan_> and it has google in dns by default
and i deleted it and system stopped running
1688 [17:33:41] <greycat> Install a simple resolver, and set your
nameserver to 127.0.0.1. Done.
1689 [17:33:43] <filipdevuan_> so it seems like i cant really use
this nvidia geforce without avoiding any **** corporates
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1692 [17:34:06] <filipdevuan_> is a resolver like a software??
1693 [17:34:11] <greycat> :rolleyes:
1694 [17:34:31] <jelly> it's a piece of software that makes
dns work, yes
1695 [17:34:36] <filipdevuan_> btw does have red hat to do with
debian 10???
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1697 [17:34:44] <filipdevuan_> what does*
1698 [17:34:47] <jelly> ?
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1700 [17:34:48] <greycat> Debian's su behavior was changed to
match that of Red HAt.
1701 [17:34:57] <filipdevuan_> why??
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1703 [17:35:13] <greycat> Fucked if I know. There are mailing list
threads but of course we're all just guessing.
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1706 [17:35:39] <greycat> The real question is why the hell do Red
Hat users put up with that?
1707 [17:35:49] <petn-randall> filipdevuan_: You do understand
that Debian 10 is not released, and there are still a lot of library
migrations going on, so there is no guarantee for things to work?
Because that's the whole purpose of a pre-release suite, to
test things and report and fix bugs.
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1710 [17:36:44] <filipdevuan_> no sorry i don't understand
actually. :P well yeah ill get back to debian 9 and hopefully
everything's gonna be okay... i shouldnt have done dist-upgrade
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1715 [17:38:38] <filipdevuan_> i had arch-antergos before and it
was quite okay but my battery was running low after like 30 minutes
(apparently because it was on nvidia card) while devuan lasts for
like 3 hours
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1717 [17:38:55] <filipdevuan_> is it easy to resolve dns then
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1719 [17:39:12] <filipdevuan_> and btw why debian uses gnome???
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1721 [17:39:18] <filipdevuan_> isnt gnome red hat??
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1725 [17:40:27] <greycat> GNOME is not tied to a specific
distribution, but many of the GNOME developers are also Ubuntu
developers, I think. Maybe? I don't know, don't really
care.
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1731 [17:42:42] <filipdevuan_> okay sorry for ranting here on the
irc, im just trying different distros all the time and i was able to
run bumblebee before on devuan but now im having some problems for
some reason ;/
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1733 [17:43:27] <filipdevuan_> anyways i have to go now so have a
nice day to you all :)
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1742 [17:47:03] <jelly> gnome and fdo is more a redhat thing than
ubuntu
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1786 [18:13:05] <pagetelegram> I installed "gobi_loader"
on a deb8 and at # 'gobi_loader' command not found.
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1794 [18:16:49] <jelly> pagetelegram: use dpkg -L gobi_loader to
see package contents.
1795 [18:17:00] <jelly> !README.Debian
1796 [18:17:00] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a
document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains
any Debian specific details in the package's operation or
configuration.
1797 [18:17:39] <jelly> it is somewhat unlikely the package name
has an _ character.
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1802 [18:18:17] <jelly> use the correct package name, pagetelegram
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1808 [18:21:35] <pagetelegram> It is called gobi_loader in the
package manager. And references to it's execution is by same
name. hmmm. Reinstaleld and still no such command
1809 [18:22:11] <greycat> ,file gobi_loader
1810 [18:22:16] <judd> Search for gobi_loader in stretch/amd64:
gobi-loader: lib/udev/gobi_loader
1811 [18:22:21] <jelly> pagetelegram: run "apt-cache search
gobi loader"
1812 [18:22:54] <jelly> that will show package names and short
descriptions
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1814 [18:23:32] <jelly> and the judd bot says it has a dash in the
name, not an underscore
1815 [18:23:58] <jhutchins_wk> Aren't underscores not allowed
in package names?
1816 [18:24:13] <jelly> correct
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1821 [18:25:57] <pagetelegram> I am wondering if it is not in
system path. I come from as a DOS user so I do not know how paths
are handled in Deb systems or maybe I need to set attribute to
executable?
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1823 [18:26:56] <pagetelegram> gobi-loader is the correct
name....I mistaken for underscore. Still command is not found.
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1827 [18:28:18] <jhutchins_wk> pagetelegram: Have you checked for
a manpage, or /usr/share/doc?
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1832 [18:29:41] <jhutchins_wk> pagetelegram: The file judd found
would not be an executable program, but a system library.
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1835 [18:31:12] <pagetelegram> It is not in Man pages nor in the
user/share/doc
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1839 [18:32:55] <jelly> ,file gobi-loader/README.Debian
1840 [18:32:59] <judd> Search for gobi-loader/README.Debian in
stretch/amd64: gobi-loader: usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README.Debian
1841 [18:33:07] <jelly> petn-randall: read
/usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README.Debian
1842 [18:33:19] <jelly> pagetelegram: read
/usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README.Debian
1843 [18:33:49] <jelly> install the package named
"gobi-loader" before that, if it does not exist
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1861 [18:43:23] <katerino> I was trying to add a custom keyboard
layout to Debian and instead of getting an extra layout option in
settings like the guides online said would happen, that particular
settings tab is greyed out.
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1864 [18:44:30] <katerino> I made a custom layout text file for
X11/xkb/symbols/, then I added it to X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml.
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1866 [18:44:47] <katerino> Well, I mean I added the data about it
to that xml file.
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1871 [18:45:27] <pagetelegram> Ok, I do not want to install Wine,
is there a deb tool to unzip an exe like the Windows Legroom
freeware tool?
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1873 [18:45:46] <pagetelegram> Something liek Unviersal extractor
but for Deb?
1874 [18:46:41] <tradar> idk maybe 7zip
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1877 [18:48:01] <pagetelegram> cli level dtrx does this. Thanks
1878 [18:48:37] <katerino> Oof, I also did a possibly stupid thing
and hit the only un-grey button in the keyboard layout settings tab,
the default button. So now my keyboard settings are all reset.
1879 [18:48:52] <katerino> But I can't go back and change
them again because of said greyness.
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1883 [18:50:19] <dazo> Hey, anyone know anything about the various
freeze dates for the next big Debian update (Buster)? ... In the
OpenVPN community we're working on the v2.5 release planning,
and we want to see if we can manage to get that into the next Debian
release ... so we're wondering what kind of time windows we
need to target
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1885 [18:50:51] <greycat> !buster freeze
1886 [18:50:52] <dpkg> Buster will start the freeze process on
2019-01-12 see
replaced-url
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1891 [18:52:06] <dazo> thx! Are there any docs which explains
better what is allowed to change after these freeze dates?
1892 [18:52:15] <dazo> or rather, during those freeze dates
1893 [18:53:45] <greycat> There's a *tiny* bit of explanation
of the different freeze phases on
replaced-url
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1895 [18:53:58] <greycat> Presumably the buster freeze will follow
the same pattern.
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1899 [18:57:03] <dazo> thx! I'll dive into that .... we will
try to have a beta release ready right before Christmas .... but the
RC would closer to the end of January and we could probably time the
final release to right before the last hard date in Debian
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1904 [19:00:19] <dazo> how I understand it, and I might be too
optimistic, we need to have the full release ready by 2019-02-12
(soft-freeze date)
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1926 [19:11:08] <jak2000> how to copy files but not overwrite if
file exist, with cp command
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1928 [19:11:36] <JustASlacker> -n
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1930 [19:11:46] <JustASlacker> -n, --no-clobber
1931 [19:11:46] <JustASlacker> do not overwrite an existing file
(overrides a previous -i
1932 [19:11:46] <JustASlacker> option)
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1934 [19:12:35] <jak2000> ok, thanks
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1954 [19:28:48] <clasick> if I install an application through
.deb, how do I update it?
1955 [19:29:25] <greycat> by getting a newer .deb from the same
source as the first one
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1965 [19:33:27] <RandomSerb> what's the difference between cd
and dvd installation image, when downloading?
1966 [19:33:38] <greycat> the size
1967 [19:33:45] <RandomSerb> greycat: except the size?
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1969 [19:34:05] <greycat> that's literally it. the DVD images
are bigger, and therefore have more (stale) packages on them that
need to be updated after installation.
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1971 [19:34:57] <spackle259> RandomSerb: DVD images are ment for
people wanting to live in the cave. All the packages that you would
often install using apt would come preinstalled
1972 [19:35:33] <RandomSerb> spackle259: not for me probably. so,
basically less bloatware, or what one may consider bloatware
1973 [19:35:34] <RandomSerb> ?
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1977 [19:36:29] <RandomSerb> also, this is the first time I'm
installing debian. Do you have any suggestions for partition
sizes/formats? I've 120gb SSD
1978 [19:36:31] <spackle259> RandomSerb: unlike windows linux
doesnt really have crap popping out everywhere.. all it will do is
have additional softwares that you may never touch.. i would instead
just get the net version
1979 [19:36:38] <RandomSerb> and 2tb hdd
1980 [19:36:48] <spackle259> RandomSerb: cos you can choose your
packages later down the line..
1981 [19:37:07] <spackle259> RandomSerb: I like keeping my root
pertion seperate from home
1982 [19:37:24] <spackle259> RandomSerb: its easier when you are
expanding or need more space for your home directory
1983 [19:37:43] <spackle259> RandomSerb: its also easier down the
line if you ever want to jump ship or want to try a different os
1984 [19:38:30] <RandomSerb> yeah, makes sense. I'm probably
not going to go for change. I've been using ubuntu for last 10
years, and it's becoming more and more awful.
1985 [19:38:40] <RandomSerb> particularly desktop environments
1986 [19:38:46] <clasick> greycat: does isntalling through .deb
make packages show up through apt list?
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1990 [19:39:58] <spackle259> clasick: yep
1991 [19:40:05] <clasick> spackle259: oh nice
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1993 [19:40:51] <greycat> clasick: it would show up in dpkg's
output, since dpkg is the lower level tool. Apt would not know about
it.
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1995 [19:41:14] <spackle259> clasick: Just tested mine...packages
i installed using apt can show up.
1996 [19:41:19] <spackle259> greycat: are you sure?
1997 [19:41:21] <greycat> Well, I guess "apt policy"
would show it, but that's not much.
1998 [19:41:39] <greycat> spackle259: you said "using
apt". *HE* said "from .deb".
1999 [19:41:47] <spackle259> greycat: also you could use apt to
install deb packages too that you downloaded using your browser
2000 [19:42:06] <spackle259> greycat: example... apt install
./package.deb
2001 [19:42:23] <greycat> Right, that will install the package and
its dependencies, one time.
2002 [19:42:36] <greycat> It will not allow the retrieving of
updates, which was his question.
2003 [19:42:44] <spackle259> greycat: thats true
2004 [19:43:07] <clasick> okay, so the difference is that if I
install using dpkg -i then it won't show up on apt's list
but doing it on apt install ./package.deb will make it show up on
both?
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2006 [19:43:33] <greycat> *SIGH*
2007 [19:43:40] <greycat> Just ... just do it and see.
2008 [19:43:47] <clasick> greycat: ok, got it
2009 [19:43:57] <spackle259> lol
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2031 [19:54:40] <project2501a> is there a debian scientific
computing / bioinformatics channel?
2032 [19:54:46] <project2501a> (hi by the way! :)
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2036 [19:56:01] <RandomSerb> which usb creator supports that
setting where you can choose old mode for boot?
2037 [19:56:42] <RandomSerb> I know only that if I create it
certain way, it won't recognize my usb. if I switch that
setting, it works properly. something related to old computers
2038 [19:56:51] <RandomSerb> most likely motherboards
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2040 [19:57:04] <spackle259> RandomSerb: You are talking about
legasy system and ufed or something
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2042 [19:57:22] <RandomSerb> spackle259: exactly
2043 [19:57:23] <spackle259> RandomSerb: So whats your question
exactly?
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2045 [19:57:41] <RandomSerb> do you know which windows usb creator
allows me to change that setting?
2046 [19:57:47] <spackle259> RandomSerb: you have to be careful
cos its based on the iso you are trying to create the image for
2047 [19:58:03] <RandomSerb> spackle259: what do you mean
it's based on the iso?
2048 [19:58:09] <spackle259> RandomSerb: for debian you can use
rufs i believe. let me look it up
2049 [19:58:10] <nyov> project2501a: i thinks so
2050 [19:58:25] <spackle259> RandomSerb: Rufus
2051 [19:58:32] <RandomSerb> yeah!
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2053 [19:58:35] <RandomSerb> that's the one I used
2054 [19:58:36] <RandomSerb> thanks!
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2056 [19:58:47] <Luyin> hi there, I'm trying to install
debian stretch via usb stick onto an HPE Proliant Microserver Gen10.
I think I'm not reaching the image, as I'm shown a shell
that seems to belong to EFI. I've configured the BIOS to boot
from USB first, but it doesn't seem to work
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2059 [19:59:13] <spackle259> You need to change your settings and
if you have secure boot enable you have to disable that
2060 [19:59:19] <spackle259> Luyin: read the previous message
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2062 [19:59:41] <nyov> project2501a: #debian-science maybe
2063 [19:59:44] <Luyin> spackle259: which previous message?
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2065 [19:59:49] <nyov> project2501a: for a list, see
replaced-url
2066 [19:59:56] <spackle259> You need to change your settings and
if you have secure boot enable you have to disable that
2067 [19:59:57] <Luyin> spackle259: "change your
settings"? could you be more specific which settings?
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2069 [20:00:29] <spackle259> Luyin:
replaced-url
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2073 [20:01:11] <spackle259> Luyin:
replaced-url
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2075 [20:01:28] <RandomSerb> Luyin: what do you mean by it does
not work? won't boot from USB?
2076 [20:01:52] <spackle259> Luyin: And also it also matters how
you make your image. cos debian specially says not to use livelinux
and some other ones because they change the original image
2077 [20:02:08] <spackle259> Luyin: Corrupt it i mean
2078 [20:03:11] <Luyin> spackle259: I think I used dd to move the
image to the usb drive
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2080 [20:03:51] <spackle259> Luyin: that works too.. i would make
sure the secure boot is switched off. legacy support is enabled
2081 [20:04:01] <spackle259> Luyin: fast boot disabled
2082 [20:04:24] <spackle259> Luyin: UEFI boot disabled
2083 [20:04:35] <Luyin> RandomSerb: well I can reach "boot
menu" and see three entries relating to my usb device: image
replaced-url
2084 [20:04:44] <Luyin> spackle259: ok, I'll check that
again. hang on
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2090 [20:09:37] <Luyin> hmm, now I get this:
replaced-url
2091 [20:10:41] <spackle259> Luyin: Its possible
2092 [20:10:47] <Luyin> damn
2093 [20:10:55] <Luyin> I'll try the usb stick on a notebook
to make sure it works
2094 [20:11:10] <spackle259> Luyin: good idea
2095 [20:11:50] <Luyin> hm... how do I shut down the server from
that ^ screen?
2096 [20:11:55] <Luyin> is there some magic? :D
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2105 [20:17:58] <RandomSerb> Luyin: if you've physical access
to the machine, just press power button
2106 [20:18:09] <Luyin> hmm okay
2107 [20:18:11] <Luyin> yes I have
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2114 [20:21:04] <rant> this isn't really important, but I
been wondering if anyone might know if when using a luks encrypted
rootfs if the system has logs of failed attempts on unlocking the
rootfs..
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2126 [20:30:20] <Luyin> On a Linux machine, simply use the
"cp" command, to copy an image to a USB flash drive
<< wtf. not dd?
2127 [20:30:30] <greycat> they both do the same thing
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2129 [20:31:21] <Luyin> hmmm I always thought dd
"unpacks" the stuff in the iso properly or something
2130 [20:31:47] <Luyin> because when you simply copy it, you have
a drive with one file, being the debian-1.2.3.iso, on it. and when
you use dd, you get a bunch of files and directories
2131 [20:31:55] <greycat> No, it just copies bytes from one place
to another. The only real "advantage" of dd is that you
can tell it how many bytes to copy at a time (block size).
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2133 [20:32:11] <Luyin> oh okay
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2135 [20:32:32] <greycat> It's not dd that reveals the
internal structure. It's mounting that does that.
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2142 [20:36:09] <RandomSerb> hi again. spackle259 it won't
boot into usb
2143 [20:36:13] <RandomSerb> not sure why, though
2144 [20:36:19] <RandomSerb> I used rufus
2145 [20:36:49] <RandomSerb> perhaps I should've used dd mode
instead of bios?
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2178 [21:00:06] <spackle259> Randy: was away from station for a
bit... what did you use before?
2179 [21:00:23] <spackle259> Randy: sorry was ment for RandomSerb
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2191 [21:07:46] <RandomSerb> and yeah, I'm on debian :)
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2197 [21:13:23] <jhutchins_wk> The other advantage of dd is that
you can use it to copy things like the MBR or the partition table
that don't really expose themselves as files.
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2199 [21:14:32] <greycat> meaning, "you can tell it to copy
only N bytes and stop"
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2203 [21:15:19] <greycat> which is not a useful feature when
writing an image TO a device, but can be useful when trying to
"wipe" part of the information on a device
2204 [21:15:41] <greycat> or to retrieve only the MBR (etc.) from
a device
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2208 [21:18:48] <rnmhdn> what is print server
2209 [21:19:17] <rnmhdn> I don't need it if I'm not
using a printer right?
2210 [21:19:17] <greycat> Usually CUPS. It's the software
that controls printing jobs, or a computer dedicated to running such
a service.
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2212 [21:19:31] <greycat> Oh, as an installation task? You can
probably skip it, yeah.
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2214 [21:19:47] <greycat> You can always add more stuff later.
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2216 [21:19:55] <rnmhdn> yeah
2217 [21:20:05] <rnmhdn> I was just confused that it was checked
by default
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2219 [21:20:30] <rnmhdn> It's fine to not install the debian
DE right?
2220 [21:20:47] <greycat> Absolutely.
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2222 [21:21:29] <greycat> They wouldn't give you a choice, if
it didn't work.
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2235 [21:25:00] <RandomSerb> hey. I just installed debian with
cinnamon. But, it's kind of laggish. Should I go with xfce?
2236 [21:25:09] <RandomSerb> I've an old gpu, 1gb ram
2237 [21:25:14] <RandomSerb> could that be it?
2238 [21:25:31] <PackageCompare> If I am running Debian 8.7 and
want to patch Spectre will that bring me to the latest Jessie
Debian?
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2241 [21:26:23] <greycat> You should definitely update to the
current jessie (oldstable) at the very minimum.
2242 [21:26:47] <greycat> Give some thought to updating to current
stable, but jessie still receives LTS for the moment.
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2245 [21:27:22] <PackageCompare> greycat: if I stay on 8.7 does
that mean the linux kernel doesn't get security updates?
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2247 [21:27:59] <greycat> You get whatever security updates the
LTS team provides for jessie. Which should include kernel patches.
2248 [21:28:06] <greycat> !lts
2249 [21:28:06] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project
to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5
years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by
a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about
<jessie-lts> and see
replaced-url
2250 [21:29:16] <PackageCompare> Greycat: I guess I am asking.. If
I was on 8.7 and applied Spectre patch do I get to stay on 8.7 or
does it bring me to the latest.
2251 [21:29:35] <greycat> By the way, patching to current jessie
LTS will put you on 8.10, not that the number really means anything
except telling us how far behind on patches you are.
2252 [21:29:56] <greycat> I don't understand what you're
trying to accomplish.
2253 [21:30:22] <PackageCompare> greycat: Patching my systems but
staying on my current version. I guess its not possible.
2254 [21:30:27] <greycat> Are you saying you WANT to run a box
with known security problems and leave the vast majority of them
unfixed, and just cherry-pick a few?
2255 [21:30:36] <Tenkawa> i really wish they hadnt put the really
bad rts driver in here for this realtek mmc adapter
2256 [21:30:53] <greycat> If you're going to cherry-pick
security fixes, honestly, spectre would be pretty far down my
priority list.
2257 [21:31:01] <Tenkawa> cant read 3 out of 4 cards in linux
2258 [21:31:18] <PackageCompare> greycat: I have Security scanner
installed, I can see where my issues are at this time #1 is Spectre
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2260 [21:31:47] <greycat> Why would spectre be an issue? Do you
have untrusted users logging in and running random software?
2261 [21:31:50] <PackageCompare> greycat: Yes I am ultimately
saying cherry-picking
2262 [21:32:17] <PackageCompare> greycat: I know its a local user
vulnerability but its urgency is listed in red and people don't
like red
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2264 [21:32:53] <greycat> Oh, this is to satisfy idiotic managers.
2265 [21:32:57] <greycat> Well, good luck with that.
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2267 [21:35:01] <Tenkawa> yeah then managing it
2268 [21:37:02] <greycat> Well, if you WANT to stay vulnerable in
every package except the kernel, I can't stop you. Disable
unattended-upgrades, do your apt-get updates manually, do your
apt-get install linux-image-*s manually.
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2278 [21:43:12] <binaryhermit> I thought debian 8 was oldstable
and debian 9 was stable
2279 [21:43:49] <greycat> correct
2280 [21:44:14] <greycat> Not only is he on oldstable, but
he's intentionally refusing to update it to the current patch
level.
2281 [21:44:41] <binaryhermit> so you don't need to update to
stretch to get security updates right now, but you should
2282 [21:46:26] <greycat> My position is that he should absolutely
be updating to the current jessie (8.10 with LTS support). Updating
to stretch (Debian 9.x) can be considered later.
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2284 [21:46:45] <greycat> There are legitimate reasons to stay on
an old release.
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2286 [21:47:57] <binaryhermit> that's true
2287 [21:48:21] <binaryhermit> but you should be planning your
escape path, IMO
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2290 [21:52:14] <PackageCompare> unattended-upgrades installs
security patches for kernel and packages?
2291 [21:52:39] <greycat> Probably.
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2297 [21:55:48] <PackageCompare> Will this command upgrade me to
8.10 apt-get install --only-upgrade linux-base
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2303 [21:58:17] <greycat> no
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2307 [21:59:19] <RandomSerb> I can't believe how much faster
is xfce compared to cinnamon
2308 [21:59:30] <RandomSerb> man this is fast
2309 [22:00:25] <antto> lxde is also gud
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2312 [22:01:24] <RandomSerb> to be honest, no reason to change
anything given how good xfce is
2313 [22:01:48] <RandomSerb> anywho, how do I access sound
settings in debian ? I can't seem to find it for the life of me
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2315 [22:02:06] <Tenkawa> in x or console?
2316 [22:02:25] <greycat> I use alsamixer because I don't use
Pulse. If you use Pulse then I think it's pavucontrol or
something.
2317 [22:02:43] <Tenkawa> same
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2319 [22:03:31] <RandomSerb> Tenkawa, x
2320 [22:03:50] <RandomSerb> greycat, I don't know what
I'm using, to be honest
2321 [22:04:00] <RandomSerb> just installed stretch with xfce
2322 [22:04:35] <greycat> If you're using a Desktop
Environment, then there is usually some audio control panel type
thingy provided by that DE.
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2324 [22:06:57] <RandomSerb> greycat, yeah, I'm used to that.
but there's none
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2326 [22:07:59] <RandomSerb> should I install pulse?
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2328 [22:08:26] <greycat> RandomSerb: a quick google search and
reading one and a half forum posts followed by a local apt-cache
search, says you could try installing xfce4-goodies
2329 [22:08:43] <greycat>
replaced-url
2330 [22:09:08] <RandomSerb> greycat, tried, didn't help
2331 [22:09:08] <RandomSerb> xfce4-goodies
2332 [22:09:37] <greycat> well, do your own google search then,
and maybe you'll get a more targeted result
2333 [22:09:37] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: Thre's a mixer
applet/plugin. Unfortunately unmaintained.
2334 [22:10:34] <RandomSerb> greycat, I did, but couldn't
find solution
2335 [22:10:37] <RandomSerb> hence asked here
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2339 [22:11:30] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: RIght click the bar,
panel, Add new item, search audio.
2340 [22:11:54] <greycat> Funny, that's what it said in the
forum thread that I linked to.
2341 [22:12:01] <greycat> I guess he didn't bother reading
that.
2342 [22:12:22] <PackageCompare> If I mark my important packages
as "Hold" with sudo apt-mark hold then when I do apt-get
upgrade, they won'
2343 [22:12:27] <PackageCompare> won't be touched right
2344 [22:12:38] <greycat> !hold
2345 [22:12:38] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the
package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a
package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or
'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude
hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update
Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use
holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See
also <hold list>, <unhold>.
2346 [22:12:53] <PackageCompare> thank you
2347 [22:13:01] * greycat notes the "fixed in stretch"
clause...
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2353 [22:14:12] <PackageCompare> apt-cache policy will tell me
what upgrade would install
2354 [22:14:13] <PackageCompare> right
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2357 [22:14:49] <greycat> "apt-get -u upgrade" will tell
you what apt-get upgrade would install
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2359 [22:16:16] <PackageCompare> "apt list --upgradable"
shows version numbers which I am looking for
2360 [22:16:34] <PackageCompare> Do correct me if I am wrong
though (as in not the full list or what not)
2361 [22:16:44] <greycat> Don't know, never used that.
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2394 [22:36:53] <jhutchins_wk> I think the alsa applet is left
over from an earlier release I had on that box.
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2399 [22:39:52] <karlpinc> greycat: Yah. the <hold> factoid
could use an update to reverse the sense and say that aptitude hold
is ignored ... _before_ stretch.
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2410 [22:45:48] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I think both apt and
aptitude display a message offering that after an update.
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2414 [22:47:50] <Tenkawa> what was the q?
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2427 [22:54:53] <annadane> bit of an emergency here, remember that
usb stick i was talking about? now when i plug it in it's not
even recognized, not in thunar, not via lsblk - just shows /dev/sdb,
not /dev/sdb1
2428 [22:55:06] <annadane> do i have to mkfs.vfat it or is there
something else i can try?
2429 [22:55:33] <greycat> you probably have to partition it first
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2432 [22:55:52] <greycat> (unless there's data on it that you
want to recover)
2433 [22:56:12] <annadane> like, i copied two files to it (to
/media/annadane/f-something-code), they were there, i unmounted it
and ejected it safely, and now it just doesn't detect
2434 [22:56:15] <annadane> the files were there before
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2436 [22:56:53] <annadane> i still have the files, i can afford to
lose the data on it, i just don't know why they vanished
2437 [22:56:53] <greycat> A lot of USB devices don't even
bother with partitions. The whole thing is just one big file system.
Have you tried mounting /dev/sdb yet?
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2441 [22:57:36] <annadane> mount: can't find /dev/sdb in
/etc/fstab
2442 [22:57:48] <greycat> give it a directory also
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2445 [22:58:00] <annadane>
replaced-url
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2447 [22:58:07] <annadane> give it a directory?
2448 [22:58:14] <greycat> mount /dev/sdb /mnt
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2450 [22:58:19] <annadane> oh, right. i'm stupid.
2451 [22:58:23] <greycat> or wherever you throw temporary mounts
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2455 [22:59:03] <annadane>
replaced-url
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2459 [22:59:49] <annadane> i'm still baffled they just
vanished, i didn't even do anything
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2461 [23:01:45] <annadane> as i said, i still have the files. i
can try mkfs.vfat and just copy them over again
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2463 [23:02:41] <annadane> (and i say vfat because that was the
original filesystem on the stick)
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2465 [23:07:09] <nyov> what does, say, cfdisk say? any partitions
it can see?
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2468 [23:08:09] <annadane> /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5
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2470 [23:08:33] <annadane> anyway, i have a backup stick, it
detects this one for whatever reason ...
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2472 [23:09:14] <nyov> oh. I meant "cfdisk /dev/sdb" or
whichever disk
2473 [23:09:40] <annadane> "select label type"
2474 [23:09:58] <annadane> should i just reformat the damn thing?
2475 [23:10:16] <nyov> could be a bad flash
2476 [23:10:26] <annadane> anyway, let me just use the one that
works
2477 [23:10:37] <nyov> sure you can reformat it. but I
wouldn't trust that it stays good
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2483 [23:13:17] <annadane> anyway, this one works. so never mind.
(until it doesn't?)
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2485 [23:13:38] <annadane> what i did was: cp 'file
name' '/media/annadane/USB DISK'. so it's not my
copying method at fault
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2489 [23:15:10] <annadane> oh. i have a possible explanation.
there was a storm last night and a consequent power flicker, that
may have done it
2490 [23:15:39] <annadane> my actual external HD is fine, though,
but maybe the usb stick is more flimsy
2491 [23:16:29] <nyov> wonder if it even still has anything on it
2492 [23:16:36] <nyov> file -s /dev/sdb
2493 [23:16:51] <annadane> can't right now, i have to do
other things, other one works though
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2504 [23:24:36] <Rboreal_Frippery> creating a debian package,
which depends on another package. (in this case, a system-wide
plugin for GIMP) I have found that the system plug-in directory for
GIMP itself varies based on the version of GIMP. Is there a standard
way when making a package, to vary installation paths based on the
version of another package, or should I just handle it in the
postinst script?
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2506 [23:24:57] <Rboreal_Frippery> (or just make a separate
package for my plugin for each version of gimp)
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2518 [23:31:56] <moopthemighty> ok so i got debian installed on a
harddrive but i had to hard reset it and then booted into an
initramfs and did the fsck and then did an e2fsck from another THREE
different OS (no windows utilities) and im STILL getting a warning
and an offer to drop to shell and fsck again but if i ignore it my
system boots normal... also, is there a single utility to make a
live usb from debian with persistance
2519 [23:32:02] <moopthemighty> that WORKS that I DONT have to
"do it the hard way" ?
2520 [23:32:03] <moopthemighty> ive got a "grub2 boot
USB" with an EFI partition and a 5gig boot partition following
and a third partition for ISO and OS filesystem
2521 [23:32:08] <moopthemighty> but i cant for the life of me get
the third partition to boot right
2522 [23:32:35] <moopthemighty> but at least I can use it as a
portable grubUSB
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2525 [23:32:46] <s00x> hey, how can I create sh script as a
shortcut?
2526 [23:33:25] <moopthemighty> ln -ls (file) (link to make)
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2530 [23:33:42] <moopthemighty> unless you are talking about a
desktop thing then id ask in #gnome or #kde
2531 [23:33:59] <s00x> are .desktop files are related to gnome?
2532 [23:34:01] <moopthemighty> #ubuntu helps alot more with those
types of questions IIRC
2533 [23:34:42] <moopthemighty> i wouldnt know, ive been out of
the game for 10 years and im studying security more than user
configurable stuff
2534 [23:34:52] <s00x> ok, thx!
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2537 [23:35:40] <annadane> there's .desktop files
2538 [23:35:45] <annadane> fairly simple to look up
2539 [23:36:09] <moopthemighty> dude, i cant even... unetbootin
doesnt work, respin doesnt work, remastersys scares the crap out of
me to use becuse its old...
2540 [23:36:50] <s00x> yeah, here's what I;m trying to
achieve. I want to run .sh file which will choose correct .jar and
then run that .jar. I know how to run .jar through .desktop: Exec=sh
-c "java -jar /path/file.jar"
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2542 [23:37:24] <moopthemighty> this SHOULD be simple but I cant
seem to get this third partition to boot right. syslinux didnt put
the files id assume ... things have changed sublty in the past 10
years and i wasnt there for it and noww im lost... please help
2543 [23:37:34] <s00x> but why somehing like that: Exec=sh -c
"java -jar $(/path/choose-correct.jar.sh)" doesnt work?
2544 [23:38:04] <moopthemighty> need to encapsulate the stuff
after the "=" in ''
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2546 [23:38:37] <moopthemighty> var_assign = 'some_command
"stuff to feed the hungry command" more stuff ' ;
2547 [23:38:47] <s00x> why i didn't need to with pure
Exec=java -jar path/file.jar ?
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2551 [23:41:38] <moopthemighty> because that command doesnt have
the quotes to confuse the interpreter
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2555 [23:42:32] <moopthemighty> java <option> <path>
is expected and doesnt contain special characters
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