• 0[00:00:27] <nvz> cusco: xfce and lxde are probably the lightest on memory for complete DEs but you can always mix/match and trim as necessary
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• 4[00:00:49] <somiaj> cusco: lxde is still the lightest desktop enivorment, if you want lighter you'll have to use a simple wm and configure/install the software you want to use with it.
• 5[00:01:11] <cusco> right.. so the lightest would be package lxde-session ?
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• 7[00:01:14] <somiaj> Guest17135: I like rsync
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• 12[00:01:43] <nvz> cusco: thats what makes a full DE so heafty is things like the session manager which aren't really necessary
• 13[00:01:45] <thurstylark> What's a good gui-based RDP client in the repos?
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• 15[00:01:57] <cusco> lxde-core then?
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• 19[00:02:14] <nvz> cusco: if you want to really slim down you should start from the ground up and build yourself a session with tools you like and need
• 20[00:02:35] <somiaj> cusco: lxde-core could be a good place to start if you want to use lxde
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• 23[00:02:50] <cusco> k I guess..
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• 25[00:02:52] <cusco> thank you both
• 26[00:02:57] <somiaj> cusco: window managers (openbox is fairly popular) can be even lighter
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• 29[00:03:50] <nvz> yes my advice is to start with a wm you like, and then add from there if you need/want desktop icons and a panel as well, try out different ones to see how it affects your performance and if they offer the features you're looking for
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• 32[00:05:19] <nvz> cusco: all you need to do is put these items in your ~/.xsession file and use "default" as your login session and it'll start all the items you list in .xsession you want to put & at the end of each line to run them in the background except for your wm which you list last will be the main process that when you exit the wm, the session ends
• 33[00:05:42] <teraflops> thurstylark: remmina + remmina-plugin-rdp ?
• 34[00:05:47] <cusco> hmm
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• 39[00:06:56] <Cobalt> somiaj: replaced-url
• 40[00:07:03] <nvz> cusco: the window manager is your core component and the only one you really absolutely need because its what allows you to stack and move windows around, and most all of them have some sort of menu integrated to launch apps from
• 41[00:07:27] <nvz> cusco: everything else is optional to suit your personal preference and convenience
• 42[00:08:47] <nvz> cusco: you can also save a lot of resources by using a very light DM like lightdm if you want a graphical login, or nodm if you just want something that will log you in automatically
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• 44[00:09:05] <somiaj> cusco: I personally use startx and skip the whole dm part.
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• 47[00:13:00] <fearnothing> greetings folks, anyone think they might be able to help figure out why an rsyslog config isn't working correctly?
• 48[00:13:23] <cusco> somiaj: I did that too in the past
• 49[00:13:25] <fearnothing> specifically, this one: replaced-url
• 50[00:13:36] <cusco> nvz: that seems fine but a lot of personalizing and customizing
• 51[00:13:37] <fearnothing> not even the teensiest syn
• 52[00:13:43] <cusco> I'mg going to try lxde-core then
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• 54[00:14:37] <tuH> Hi! I'm trying to use pass as a password manager. I messed it up a bit and had to do a reinstall. Now, whenever I first login to the system I am required to enter my key in order to see the contents, but then I can just keep getting passwords without entering a key. How do I lock it?
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• 57[00:15:05] <nvz> cusco: suit yourself. the DEs are by nature bloated. This is why there were several wms that were designed to include panels and desktop drawing to eliminate the need for extra components
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• 61[00:17:45] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 63[00:19:13] <nvz> raynold: fine comment for #debian-offtopic
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• 65[00:19:45] <teraflops> cusco: you better try several and make a better idea by using them
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• 67[00:20:15] <fearnothing> nobody familiar with rsyslog?
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• 70[00:21:13] <somiaj> tuH: you may need to look for specific help/support on that software. I use keepassx, it is cross platform and automatically locks.
• 71[00:21:33] <somiaj> tuH: you can probably lock pass, but if you don't get any response here, look for support more specific to that software.
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• 73[00:22:15] <tuH> somiaj, I think maybe I "figured" it out, it is handled by gpg-agent apparantly. And you can set timers there, but I don't know if its using ttl or ttl-ssh (or frankly if it is any of those .P
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• 102[00:30:53] <Guest17135> anyone can help me for br0
• 103[00:31:10] <UndeadLeech> So I'm currently building something with docker and getting the error `/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lxcb-randr`. I've tried installing x11-xserver-utils and libxcb-randr0 but neither of those helped. Does someone know which dependency is required for this?
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• 105[00:32:18] <nvz> UndeadLeech: those packages you mentioned are binary packages, you need the dev packages containing headers to satisfy a build dependencyy
• 106[00:32:43] <UndeadLeech> Oh okay. Do you happen to know which dev package exactly I would need?
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• 109[00:33:22] <nvz> UndeadLeech: probably that package you mentioned with -dev on the end like libxcb-randr0-dev but I'm not certain
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• 111[00:33:57] <nvz> UndeadLeech: that is however a very educated guess based on experience
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• 114[00:34:11] <UndeadLeech> It might also be libxrandr-dev. I'll try those two and then remove one if it works. Thanks for the help!
• 115[00:34:14] <cusco> ok nvz the time came, and i'm going to start with openbox .. lets see what happens
• 116[00:34:21] <cusco> back in the day i used ion2
• 117[00:34:25] <nvz> UndeadLeech: you can check packages.debian.org
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• 121[00:35:01] <nvz> cusco: heh. I guess you just tried it on your old box and it was too much?
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• 123[00:35:54] <tuH> why does imagemagic come preinstalled on debian?
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• 127[00:36:47] <nvz> cusco: you gotta understand its all those extra backends like the session manager, the settings daemons and such that really bloat your DEs, those aren't crucial components for a user interface, they're just there to facilitate more simplified configuration which really how often do you change settings that you need to simplify it vs knowing how to change stuff manually?
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• 129[00:37:43] <nvz> cusco: if you like XFCE or LXDE's panel you can try starting those along with a wm of your choice and see how that compares to using all those other components
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• 133[00:39:22] <nvz> cusco: simple way to test this stuff is to just startx/xinit with an empty .xsession and it'll start a terminal, you run your wm and components from that terminal just to test them, checking htop or some decent process monitor, and when you find something both you and your hardware can live with, you write that list of apps into your .xsession file to save it
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• 137[00:42:58] <cusco> ok..
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• 140[00:43:19] <cusco> I just really want a browser and a terminal
• 141[00:43:27] <nvz> cusco: trust me I'm using an orangepi with 512mb ram as my main machine, I know how painful it can be to have extra bloat. I use a wm only. I like sawfish cause I'm oldschool, but I tested out the *boxes and fluxbox was the lightest on memory, blackbox I believe was the heaviest if I recall correctly
• 142[00:43:32] <cusco> Ill try appending lxde-panel to openbox
• 143[00:44:06] <cusco> i remember fluxbox too yea
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• 145[00:45:06] <nvz> yeah fluxbox is a nice little wm I never really saw much difference in user interface between flux and blackbox but there is a noticible difference in performance
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• 147[00:46:22] <cusco> what terminal emulatr do you use?
• 148[00:46:29] <cusco> something better than xterm?
• 149[00:46:38] <nvz> cusco: the web browser is whats really hurting you.. I know that too from experience on this pi.. web browsers are very bloated these days
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• 153[00:47:03] <cusco> im aware but i need a bloated browser :|
• 154[00:47:18] <nvz> cusco: I like mate/gnomes terminal for ease of config with a GUI but they start up various backends, aterm is light but has to be customized by command line options or config files
• 155[00:47:46] <cusco> won't gnome-terminal bog this down?
• 156[00:47:56] <nvz> cusco: I've been using xombrero when I can, its a bit rough around the edges but its really light and supports modern JS and stuff
• 157[00:48:14] <nvz> cusco: yes it'll fire up gvfsd and such backends
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• 159[00:48:52] <cusco> aterm it is then
• 160[00:48:56] <nvz> cusco: you gotta stick with xterm, aterm, stuff like that if you don't want additional backends
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• 163[00:49:39] <nvz> cusco: I like aterm because it supports advanced features like color, font settings, pseudo transparency, etc but it just dont have the point and click profile configuration mate/gnome terminal have
• 164[00:50:14] <cusco> k I'll have to look up how to set it dark... irssi is awful here heh
• 165[00:50:20] <nvz> cusco: I normally would just setup a keybinding in sawfish or start it with my xsession with the options I want
• 166[00:50:21] <raid_trouble> Hey, everyone. I'm facing an issue with soft raid1 devices after upgrading debian 7 up to debian 9 (only upgrades, not dist-upgrades).
• 167[00:50:45] <cusco> what is sawfish
• 168[00:50:46] <fearnothing> anyone feel like having a bash at an rsyslog issue?
• 169[00:50:50] <raid_trouble> It seems my raid devices UUIDs went crazy. Here's some info I expect to be useful: replaced-url
• 170[00:51:04] <nvz> cusco: sawfish was the default wm shipped with gnome back in the day
• 171[00:51:28] <cusco> aw.. right..
• 172[00:51:32] <fearnothing> I've had it working with a legacy .conf file, and I've been given an example raynerscript one, which is not working, and I don't know why.
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• 174[00:52:10] <nvz> cusco: its really light and it has a ui that can configure things like window matchers to control how windows are displayed and key bindings, etc. its very powerful and easy to configure graphically. thats why I still like it, no other wm offers all its features with a graphical config with such a low footprint
• 175[00:52:28] <cusco> I don't think I want one
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• 177[00:52:53] <cusco> xombrero you say..
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• 180[00:53:44] <raid_trouble> If a boot the host with a debian 9 liveCD, I'm able to mount the soft raid devices and all data is there. During boot, the root partition isn't mounted, the system says it's missing (maybe due to the changed UUID). If someone could help, I'd appreciate very much.
• 181[00:53:53] <nvz> cusco: it leaves much to be desired in user interface but its backend is modern so it can handle displaying websites normally and does so with little bloat. Firefox is still the best option for a good interface and plugins
• 182[00:54:39] <cusco> thank you nvz
• 183[00:54:45] <nvz> cusco: firefox can be sped up by disabling certain caching features and if you have any ram to spare, setting up zram and putting its databases in ram
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• 185[00:55:21] <cusco> k seems cool
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• 189[00:55:54] <nvz> cusco: zram is nice, if you can spare a little ram, it can double or tripple your ram by setting up a compressed portion.. you just gotta leave enough actual ram to handle disk caching and stuff to avoid a performance hit
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• 195[00:57:11] <cusco> can't login at google with xombrero :/
• 196[00:57:22] <nvz> raid_trouble: then it sounds like you need to figure out the UUID from the live cd and make sure the correct UUID is in the bootloader's root= kernel commandline and in the /etc/fstab
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• 201[00:57:47] <nvz> cusco: you mean google homepage?
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• 203[00:58:21] <cusco> yes, or gmail
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• 206[00:58:44] <raid_trouble> I don't know it is useful, but if booting in quiet mode, I get a message: udevd[50]: IMPORT{builtin}: 'blkid' unknown /lib/udev/rules.d/63-md-raid-arrays-rules:29
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• 212[01:01:14] <nvz> cusco: hmm midori doesn't work either.. I noticed google changed its sign in to that "lookup your account" thing.. that doesn't make sense why they did that
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• 214[01:01:55] <nvz> cusco: thats very weird because even links2 can handle this
• 215[01:02:15] <nvz> and midori and xombrero use modern backends and have JS
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• 217[01:02:36] <cusco> I think its the javascript.. when I write my account name and click next it forwards me to somewhere else
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• 220[01:03:37] <nvz> cusco: no wait, midori is working with google signin
• 221[01:05:08] <nvz> cusco: and unlike xombrero midori has some more advanced "chrome", it has a search bar and bookmarks
• 222[01:05:22] <cusco> k.. lets try it
• 223[01:05:55] <cusco> lots of gnome packages
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• 228[01:06:55] <somiaj> in terms of browsers only chromium and firefox get security updates in debian, so things like midori, which can be nice, won't get security updates if that is important to you.
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• 231[01:07:38] <nvz> yeah thats why I mentioned xombrero first, its the slimmest thing I knew of with modern webkit js, css, security, etc features at least on the backend
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• 233[01:08:00] <nvz> its a horrible frontend
• 234[01:08:02] <tuH> Where is the gpg-agent config file? I can't seem to find it.
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• 236[01:08:29] <somiaj> well webkit doesn't get seucirty upatches in debian either, so though lightweight browers exist, just be careful what you use them for in debian.
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• 239[01:09:22] <tuH> using find I cannot find anything named-gpg.conf
• 240[01:09:49] <nvz> tuH: I don't mean to be a smartass but seriously do you have much experience with the linux manual pages?
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• 243[01:10:22] <nvz> tuH: the "files" section is always at the end of the manpage, and gpg-agent has such a section that describes its files in detail
• 244[01:10:25] <tuH> nvz, I've tried to read and it's not located in /.gnupg
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• 246[01:10:36] <tuH> as it states on gnupg.org
• 247[01:10:58] <nvz> t says gpg-agent.conf
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• 249[01:11:40] <nvz> and this may also surprise you but its against debian policy for a package to touch your homedir, which means you have to make your own config files in your homedir
• 250[01:11:47] <tuH> and I've done a sudo find / -name "*gpg-agent.conf" and found nothing, also "*gpg*agent*" and still found nothing
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• 253[01:12:12] <tuH> aha, nvz and you are right. I've used linux for a week now.
• 254[01:12:37] <nvz> it also mentions in the files section of the manpage about the skeleton file which is typically what a program uses as a template for new config files
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• 256[01:13:30] <nvz> I know next to nothing about this gpg-agent thing but I know a thing or two about debian and manpages..... cause I've been using debian since 2003 :P
• 257[01:14:06] <tuH> nvz, I really like it so far, but everything is a bit daunting :P
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• 259[01:14:53] <nvz> the linux manual pages are great because they are so uniform in their design, I knew exactly where to look for such an issue, the files section detailing files used by a program is always near the bottom as are examples and other related commands
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• 261[01:15:20] <nvz> it would be good to familiarize yourself with the available documentation and tools for reading it
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• 267[01:16:56] <nvz> this is all not to say that all manpages are helpful.. some of them are vague or convoluted.. heh.. but their layout is almost always uniform
• 268[01:17:04] <tuH> nvz if I create the folder and config file for it, and only state some of the options, will the rest go per default?
• 269[01:17:25] <tuH> nvz, I have read some manpages which just makes me wanna bang my head in the wall :P
• 270[01:18:23] <nvz> tuH: again I don't know crap about this command, but thats typically how config files work, having written programs which use config files, thats generally how it goes you set the options in the config parser and assign defaults and if the options arent in the config file the defaults are used
• 271[01:18:41] <tuH> Thanks :)
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• 273[01:19:20] <nvz> tuH: I know that feeling, I nearly pulled my scalp off the first time I read the sudoers manpage
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• 275[01:19:46] <nvz> tuH: and these systemd manpages confuse the shit out of me even given my experience
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• 281[01:21:33] <nvz> raid_trouble: your issue hasn't gotten any attention really you should probably run with my suggestions or provide more detailed questioning if you still need help
• 282[01:22:19] <nvz> incorrect uuid stuff is pretty straighforward, you just need to verify that the bootloader and fstab reflect the correct uuid
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• 285[01:24:16] <raid_trouble> nvz: Sorry, I didn't see your messages. I'm not used to this web chat.
• 286[01:24:32] <raid_trouble> nvz: Only saw it now. I'll give it a try
• 287[01:24:39] <nvz> raid_trouble: yes its not ideal but it works in a pinch
• 288[01:25:01] <raid_trouble> nvz: I suppose I should re-check the UUIDs on fstab too, right?
• 289[01:25:26] <nvz> raid_trouble: absolutely when it comes to rootfs, you need to make sure the correct UUID is in both the bootloader and the fstab
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• 291[01:25:35] <rlange> tuH: which desktop environment are you using? I ask because in some desktops (cough Gnome) the desktop's session manager usurps gpg-agent, which means that even when you get your .gnupg/gpg-agent.conf written properly, it won't work as expected
• 292[01:25:38] <Anthropohedron> I fully expect that this is a terrible idea, but is it possible to overlay a directory with a bind mount? Basically, I want to be able to boot my machine without decrypting its encrypted RAID, then later decrypt, mount some filesystems, and overlay a directory from one of those filesystems onto /etc
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• 294[01:25:55] <DevilTiger_> can someone help me with exim4 before i rip my last hairs out
• 295[01:26:41] <raid_trouble> nvz: Just one more question, if you don't mind. In the pastebin I sent (replaced-url
• 296[01:26:47] <nvz> Anthropohedron: thats what bind mounting is for.. it seems a little rubish sure, but it sounds like it achieves your goal. It can be a bit messy when you're talking having two sets of config files you need to be careful with that
• 297[01:27:04] <tuH> nvz, rlange I made it work. I created the gpg-agent.conf file, typed in the dafault-cache-ttl 10, and then reloaded the gpg-agent :) (I'm on Stretch KDE)
• 298[01:27:23] <nvz> DevilTiger_: probably, and more than likely not me, but first you have to ask a specific question
• 299[01:27:40] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Right, I'm trying to determine if I can bind *and* overlay.
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• 301[01:28:00] <nvz> Anthropohedron: I'm not sure what you mean by overlay
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• 304[01:28:15] <DevilTiger_> i can't recieve mail. i think its because exim can't receive mail on port 25. i have tried editing exim4 to resolve this and am either too much of an idiot to do that or its not working
• 305[01:28:30] <nvz> Anthropohedron: you want to merge whats in the dir with whats in the fs you're binding?
• 306[01:28:46] <Anthropohedron> Right.
• 307[01:29:11] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: are you sure it is exim and not your ISP, some ISP's block port 25
• 308[01:29:11] <nvz> Anthropohedron: yeah bind mounting doesn't work like that, what you want then in that case is to put symlinks in place to where you will mount the fs
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• 310[01:29:49] <DevilTiger_> which ISP? the ISP for the server or the client
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• 313[01:30:07] <DevilTiger_> the servers ISP is linode. as far as i'm aware this is not the case.
• 314[01:30:10] <nvz> Anthropohedron: I do something similar with my transmission-daemon so I can keep different kinds of torrents seperate and I can mount/unmount various fs to the download dir.. I just put symlinks in transmission daemon's default location to where I will be mounting the fs
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• 317[01:30:47] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: ahh this is a vps server, maybe there is a firewall you need to configure with linnode to open port 25
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• 319[01:31:17] <nvz> Anthropohedron: but again you need to be careful and make sure those files that arent mounted wont be accessed while the symlinks are pointing to an unmounted location
• 320[01:31:17] <DevilTiger_> checked their documentation. don't see that anywhere. iptables has 25 open. can not telnet to 25 though.
• 321[01:31:21] <plbyrdWork> I'm having a problem in GNURoot Debian where almost everything I try to run says permission denied despite being set as 777 and running as root.
• 322[01:31:28] <plbyrdWork> Anyone have any ideas?
• 323[01:32:58] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: I haven't used linnode, I do know with aws I had to use one of their tools to open up the port in their firewall. I would attempt thigns locally with exim to rule out linnode is in the way.
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• 325[01:33:14] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: also have you tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4 (make sure it is configured to be an internet server)
• 326[01:33:21] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Could I mount the same filesystem in two places, overlaying /etc (maybe read-only?) and normally somewhere else, and not bother with a bind mount?
• 327[01:33:28] <nvz> Anthropohedron: otherwise you'd need to script something if its more complicated than all that. In my transmission case I needed only link ../.torrents and ../.resume which were subdirs so it was simple. if you need dynamically created/changing files to be linked you need a script
• 328[01:34:03] <nvz> Anthropohedron: you can absolutely mount something in multiple places, but regardless of if its bind or not, mounting to a dir covers up whats in that dir
• 329[01:34:37] <DevilTiger_> somiaj: i know for a fact linode is not blocking 25 after just searching it. i have attempted dpkg-reconfigure but it was configured by vestacp's install.sh script, therefore the rest of the config options after the first one to be an internet sever i have no idea what to put. tried guessing and when it got to where to put mail there is no option for a custom location (vesta stores mail in /home/user/mail/box@domain.com/
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• 331[01:35:33] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Wait, what about overlay, though?
• 332[01:35:47] <nvz> Anthropohedron: if there is such a thing as overlay I've never heard of it
• 333[01:35:50] <somiaj> I do not know vestacp's install.sh script, nore would sucha thing be supported here. anyways, you may have to read some documentation on configuring exim4 if this script failed to do it.
• 334[01:35:57] <DevilTiger_> netstat -ltn shows "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN" for 25. shouldnt that be a WAN ip
• 335[01:36:26] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Oh, there absolutely is. I just don't understand it well. replaced-url
• 336[01:36:31] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: 0.0.0.0 is generic for all ip's
• 337[01:36:45] <DevilTiger_> ok. guess i give up then
• 338[01:36:59] <nvz> Anthropohedron: if its come out in the last 3 years I don't know about it, I'd been off-grid
• 339[01:37:06] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: on your system it is correctly listening on port 25, what does telnet localhost 25 do?
• 340[01:37:33] <DevilTiger_> 6+ hours on trying to receive mail and have nothing to show for it. 220 xxxxx.com ESMTP Exim 4.84_2 Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:37:15 +0000
• 341[01:37:35] <somiaj> if you don't have telnet installed, I'd suggest just isntalling netcat instead and using that.
• 342[01:37:50] <DevilTiger_> trying to telnet from WAN times out though.
• 343[01:37:53] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: seems like on the system the mailserver is running just fine.
• 344[01:38:13] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: and this is doing it from the machien it works just fine with localhost, have you checked iptables?
• 345[01:38:16] <nvz> Anthropohedron: yes thats new, and quite interesting actually
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• 347[01:38:31] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: what is the output if iptables -L
• 348[01:39:28] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: to me it looks like a firewall issue, either on the server's firewall or linenodes firewall. If 'telnet wanip 25' doens't work on the machien but local host does, I would check your iptables setup
• 349[01:39:35] <nvz> Anthropohedron: so are you talking about manually bringing up this raid/encrypted setup or whatever it is, or having it just come up late in boot?
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• 351[01:40:03] <DevilTiger_> replaced-url
• 352[01:40:22] <nvz> Anthropohedron: are you looking to have fstab entries that are not auto or what?
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• 356[01:41:19] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Manually. I want the system to boot up enough to do a couple of things (HTTP proxy and ssh, mainly), and be able to tell systemd to launch another target that requires the password for the encrypted volumes.
• 357[01:41:55] <nvz> Anthropohedron: from what I'm gathering this overlay works like bind, it requires the fs to be mounted already then bound but it does so in a way that doesn't squash the mountpoint, but merges the data
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• 361[01:43:21] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: yea default INPUT policy is to DROP and I don't see antying that says it should accept smtp connecntions from the outside world.
• 362[01:43:30] <nvz> Anthropohedron: so then in that case you could just merge a dir from the encrypted volume with an existing dir
• 363[01:43:32] <Anthropohedron> I believe that's the case. It'll be interesting to mess with.
• 364[01:43:52] <Anthropohedron> I have a brand new (to me) server with a shiny new install of stretch on it.
• 365[01:44:08] <Anthropohedron> I have grand designs, and minimal time to spend on them.
• 366[01:44:22] <nvz> Anthropohedron: yes.. I don't see any need for it right now, but it was definately interesting to learn about. I am being blind sided with all kinds of changes I missed out on
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• 369[01:45:27] <nvz> I need to roll a kernel sometime in the near future and get a better look at what all has changed
• 370[01:45:46] <DevilTiger_> would this help? "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT"
• 371[01:46:21] <Anthropohedron> nvz: The world keeps moving! Overlay has been around to some extent for ages, though. Lots of embedded Linux systems (e.g. OpenWRT) have been using an overlay for configuration stuff that doesn't actually modify the system image.
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• 376[01:49:01] <nvz> Anthropohedron: this was only added in the linux kernel in 2014 I missed out on literally all of 2014,15,16 and even much of 2013 and 2017 so..
• 377[01:49:41] <nvz> I'm operating on 10 years of experience from 03-13 with a large gap in the more recent advances
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• 384[01:52:42] <DevilTiger_> i give up replaced-url
• 385[01:52:47] <DevilTiger_> back to ubuntu
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• 390[01:55:32] <prussian> ?
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• 393[01:56:31] <DevilTiger_> still cant telnet to 25 from the outside
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• 395[01:56:38] <DevilTiger_> i have no idea what else to do
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• 403[02:00:57] <mutante> DevilTiger_: fail2ban locked you out?
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• 406[02:01:12] <DevilTiger_> not that i'm aware of
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• 414[02:04:09] <mutante> DevilTiger_: i would try this: watch 'iptables -vL' to show the counters (of dropped packages) and then, in another window, try to connect to 25 again and see if you can confirm iptables really drops them and counters go up or not. also, tail -f logfiles of fail2ban while trying it again ..
• 415[02:04:11] <prussian> DevilTiger_: uh 25 is probably blocked by your ISP
• 416[02:04:34] <prussian> literally where is outside
• 417[02:04:53] <rootermanikd> hii
• 418[02:05:48] <rootermanikd> Good morning
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• 420[02:06:44] <DevilTiger_> i think you're right. using a 3rd party tool to check 25 it seems like it was able to connect. still unable to receive mail
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• 422[02:07:23] <_Strix_> hji
• 423[02:08:14] <DevilTiger_> nevermind, read the results wrong. still unable to connect to 25
• 424[02:08:17] <_Strix_> list
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• 427[02:08:31] <prussian> very likely. virtually every resnet blocks inbound/outbound 25
• 428[02:08:57] <DevilTiger_> this is a VPS server
• 429[02:09:06] <DevilTiger_> hosted on linode who does not, in any way, block 25
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• 437[02:11:57] <DevilTiger_> randomly started working. thanks for all the help.
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• 441[02:12:50] <prussian> ok cool
• 442[02:15:14] <DevilTiger_> now not working again
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• 444[02:16:49] <Robby> anyone that is following kernel development and commits more closely? I'm trying to find the commit where the default value of the parameter ip_pkt_list_tot of the xt_recent.ko kernel module got changed from 20 to 0
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• 446[02:17:01] <Robby> its default value used to be 20 in Debian 8
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• 448[02:17:13] <Robby> and its now 0 in Debian 9
• 449[02:17:52] <Robby> I can't really find a page that allows me to search *commits*
• 450[02:19:56] <prussian> DevilTiger_: lol? debian stretch? what server
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• 453[02:20:02] <prussian> postfix, exim, what
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• 455[02:20:34] <prussian> you sure it's an iptables problem?
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• 457[02:21:35] <DevilTiger_> i'm thinking iptables is just throwing a fit from me using this mxtester to try and verify SMTP is working. debian 8, exim4, dovecot, iptables, fail2ban, roundcube. i think a combination of forgetting to setup rDNS and DKIM and bombing 25 with tests was the issue. i'm able to send and recieve mail now but that tester fails 2/3 times
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• 465[02:23:34] <DevilTiger_> i shouldn't play with things i don't understand
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• 467[02:24:48] <Bsadowski1> Hmm, sypher, you there? I tried what was suggested to do in the PM I got from dpkg, but it does not seem to work.
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• 472[02:26:53] <sypher> What did I miss?
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• 480[02:31:28] <prussian> can you at least receive local mail?
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• 483[02:32:54] <DevilTiger_> yes. and can now receive from gmail and my rackspace server. client complains can't receive outgoing to his hotmail though
• 484[02:33:04] <DevilTiger_> wondering if its just the servers standing with hotmail
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• 487[02:34:02] <Robby> to answer my earlier question, I finally did find it: replaced-url
• 488[02:34:31] <Robby> so yay, no more need for a modprobe.d config file
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• 490[02:35:04] <prussian> do you get a bounce/reject?
• 491[02:35:24] <plbyrdWork> I'm having a problem in GNURoot Debian where almost everything I try to run says permission denied despite being set as 777 and running as root.
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• 493[02:35:29] <prussian> hotmail is likely some exchange server which hates every email server ever
• 494[02:36:08] <DevilTiger_> no bounce or reject. yeah i'm not suicidal, i would never touch IIS/exchance
• 495[02:36:12] <DevilTiger_> exchange
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• 499[02:38:50] <prussian> no. I mean MS Exchange sends mail form pretty much any server without a reputation to some blackhole.
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• 503[02:43:21] <DevilTiger_> how does one gain rep
• 504[02:44:03] <dTal> say nice things about Bill Gates in public
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• 506[02:45:30] <DevilTiger_> wasn't the hotmail stack on linux for a while?
• 507[02:46:27] <sypher> Hotmail is currently run on the Office 365 backend, if that helps this discussion.
• 508[02:46:59] <rjsalts> DevilTiger_: no, it was bsd before microsoft bought it, and for a while afterwards
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• 521[02:52:48] <prussian> i don't recommend running your own email server anyhow DevilTiger_
• 522[02:52:52] <prussian> to be brutally honest
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• 524[02:53:13] <DevilTiger_> i don't plan on it ever again. its only for one account
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• 528[02:54:19] <rjsalts> reputation is based on sending enough messages that are not classified as spam
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• 537[02:59:27] <abrotman> Doing known-good things (best practices) helps
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• 540[03:00:31] <rjsalts> I run my own small mail server for me and 1 or 2 other people, the volume is never enough to get a good reputation, or a bad one
• 541[03:00:59] <rjsalts> I don't have man delivery problems that I'm aware of
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• 546[03:05:27] <DevilTiger_> phone wont connect to 587 with TLS now
• 547[03:05:34] <DevilTiger_> IMAP went fine
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• 551[03:09:05] <htafdresgi> which version of debian is on the 2.6.27 kernel?
• 552[03:09:52] <abrotman> htafdresgi: something really old
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• 554[03:10:45] <htafdresgi> yeah, I'm hoping someone here can help me figure out which one has a 2.6.20+ kernel that's not too far away
• 555[03:11:05] <htafdresgi> since support for USB GSM modems doesn't work in modern kernels
• 556[03:11:36] <abrotman> htafdresgi: squeeze might be the closest
• 557[03:11:55] <abrotman> looks like etch was 2.6.18, squeeze was 2.6.32
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• 561[03:14:03] <htafdresgi> squeeze thanks
• 562[03:14:06] <rjsalts> replaced-url
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• 578[03:23:07] <raid_trouble> nvz: Just comming back to let you know that, provisionally, setting root to /dev/md0 did the trick for now. Thanks for all info and help.
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• 580[03:25:32] <nvz> raid_trouble: no problem
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• 616[03:50:37] <qu1nn_1> i have a partitioned drive that is accessible to root, is there an easy way to let users access it?
• 617[03:50:48] <qu1nn_1> newb question, but I am getting lost
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• 622[03:52:19] <mutante> qu1nn_1: i believe, add a mount point, edit /etc/fstab edit it with the mount point and use the "user" option in that config file
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• 625[03:53:08] <mutante> qu1nn_1: "Normally, only the superuser can mount filesystems. However, when fstab contains the user option on a line, anybody can mount the corresponding system. "
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• 627[03:54:10] <mutante> or "mount -o users /dev/something /mnt/somethingelse" if it's a one-time thing
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• 636[03:57:53] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: if you have udisks2 running ("systemctl status udisks2") then you can mount drives with udisksctl
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• 645[04:00:20] <qu1nn_1> thanks, all kind of greek. trying to figure out fstab - seems dangerous. I have a data directory on sdb called \data that is fully owned by root
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• 647[04:00:39] <qu1nn_1> would like to plop an nextcloud database there
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• 652[04:03:57] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: if you want this drive to be mounted all the time at the same path, then fstab is what to use
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• 654[04:05:28] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught - see replaced-url
• 655[04:06:30] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: did you create a separate /data partition while installing?
• 656[04:06:58] <qu1nn_1> yes
• 657[04:07:53] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: and it is already in fstab, so that part is done. Now you likely want to create a directory in /data that is owned by the user that nextcloud will be running as, and configure nextcloud to use that directory
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• 661[04:09:13] <qu1nn_1> do I just leave as root and nextcloud can handle ( i think it changes to replaced-url
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• 667[04:11:03] <qu1nn_1> changes permissions to replaced-url
• 668[04:11:04] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: you want to do something like "mkdir /data/nextcloud ; chown replaced-url
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• 673[04:14:18] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: by the way, the /srv/ directory is a semi-de-facto standard place to put data that will be served. Following conventions like that can make it easier for the next person to admin this system to figure it out (unless they don't need to because of your excellent notes ;)
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• 677[04:16:02] <qu1nn_1> I am coming from opensuse... I used to make use of superdolpin alot... that isnt available now due to security issues.. so I am super slow...
• 678[04:16:37] <qu1nn_1> I am a home user so there is no other admin
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• 686[04:20:00] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: replaced-url
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• 691[04:21:15] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught: thanks again for your help; it is greatly appreciated.
• 692[04:22:02] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: you're welcome. you'll get quicker on the command line as you get more practice and reading done ☺
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• 699[04:27:26] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught: your familiar with nextcloud?
• 700[04:28:19] <hanasaki> any thoughts as to why an entry dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't setup the /etc/resolve.conf ?
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• 705[04:30:59] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: do you have resolvconf installed?
• 706[04:31:05] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: yes
• 707[04:31:12] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: bingo. just did that. thanks
• 708[04:31:26] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: you are so helpful so often.thanks
• 709[04:31:45] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: thanks, no problem ☺
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• 711[04:32:35] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught: I biffed setup, there is no data yet, so I was thinking of just reinstalling as per replaced-url
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• 717[04:36:00] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: stopping apache first shouldn't be necessary. Depending on how you set up PHP, you may need to restart Apache after making a change like that. Are you using libapache2-mod-php, or php-fpm and apache's mod_proxy_fcgi, or something else?
• 718[04:37:38] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: also did you install nextcloud using an apt repo or .deb package from the nextcloud developers, or did you download nextcloud as a tarball that you extracted in /var/replaced-url
• 719[04:38:01] <qu1nn_1> extracted a zip from nextcloud
• 720[04:38:13] <qu1nn_1> and extracted
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• 763[05:07:55] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught: in nextcloud graphic installation screen, using my sql, gave db user / user pw and db name , what do I fill in for localhost? (in the past i have only used sqlite)
• 764[05:08:15] <qu1nn_1> leave alone?
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• 769[05:10:19] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: if you are using a database that is running on the same system, use localhost
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• 783[05:17:43] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught; getting an error "error while trying to create admin user: failed to connect to the database: an exception occurred in driver: dqlstate [HY000][1698] access denited for user 'root'@'localhost'
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• 786[05:18:38] <qu1nn_1> I am under the assumption that the graphical installation creates the database? or did I need to create ahead of time..?
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• 790[05:19:47] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: you are probably using mariadb, which from what I understand no longer sets a password for the root sql user. You should look for a README.Debian file in /usr/share/doc/mariadb-server (or another directory in /usr/share/doc starting with mariadb).
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• 794[05:20:41] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: the installer script is probably trying to connect to mariadb as the root user to create a database, but is failing to connect because the password is incorrect (or doesn't exist or something)
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• 797[05:21:22] <paqcito> Hi guys. Is there people in here? I'm a new SysAdmin, have been studying by myself, now I have a friend who's running a business, and he's going to launch a website. Never run a web server more than locals one, in order to learn. He has the website, he's not IT related, a web programmer did the job. Now, I will take the responsability of the server, we will go for a server on DigitalOcean, and launch the website. I've been reading o
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• 800[05:21:48] <paqcito> resource we will need, but there's nothing I found. Is anyone in here whos willing to show me the path in a sort of way?
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• 802[05:21:50] <paqcito> Thanks.
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• 804[05:23:12] <epsilon> the minimum will be LAMP howto+ iptbles-firewall
• 805[05:23:22] <epsilon> optionally eMail-Server
• 806[05:24:17] <mutante> would totally run the webserver but never the mail server
• 807[05:24:18] <epsilon> if that's too much work (yes it is if you run a hosting server), then go to a webhoster and grab a package for 5 bucks
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• 812[05:26:41] <mutante> paqcito: i think of the Digital Ocean products it would probably be this replaced-url
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• 814[05:27:15] <mutante> "one-click debloy Debian" heh replaced-url
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• 835[05:43:32] <asterismo_m> hi, i need help with this. i installed debian 9 on an Asus laptop with nvidia geforce 840M graphics. It worked fine with nouveau driver
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• 840[05:44:25] <asterismo_m> then tried no install nvidia-driver package for test the propietary drivers and it did not worked
• 841[05:45:02] <z8z> Hello, all the customization of my kate are gone after upgrade to debian 9. How to fix this?
• 842[05:45:10] <asterismo_m> then uninstalled nvidia-driver package from tty and reinstalled nouveau
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• 844[05:46:04] <asterismo_m> i have no desktop, only tty and i have no even xorg.conf
• 845[05:46:24] <asterismo_m> what i'm supposed to do now?
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• 847[05:47:00] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: look for a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ left behind by the nvidia packages that blacklists the nouveau module
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• 859[05:52:40] <asterismo_m> jmcnaught: i found than file, should i delete it?
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• 864[05:54:25] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: or move it somewhere else if you don't understand what it does so that you can restore it
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• 871[06:01:10] <asterismo_m> jmcnaught: i removed that file, updated the initramfs but still nothing, any other ideas?
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• 874[06:02:52] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: run "systemctl" and look for failed services, then use "systemctl status <service>" and "journalctl -u <service>" to see what's going on
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• 883[06:09:16] <asterismo_m> jmcnaught: system-modules-load.service failed
• 884[06:09:25] <asterismo_m> but no useful info
• 885[06:09:35] <asterismo_m> exited with status 1
• 886[06:10:43] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: is there anything in its journal?
• 887[06:11:20] <asterismo_m> jmcnaught: isn't an option for 'sudo dpkg-detect-and-install-graphics-as-it-was-installing-for-first-time' sort of thing?
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• 889[06:12:06] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: not really
• 890[06:12:47] <asterismo_m> so what now, do i have to reinstall because of this? in 2017?
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• 894[06:13:55] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: did you give up on looking for log messages?
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• 896[06:14:42] <asterismo_m> what annoys we is that it a non-reversible process, installed prop drivers, didn't worked, uninstalled, and everything broke up
• 897[06:15:03] <jmcnaught> it's not irreversible
• 898[06:15:13] <asterismo_m> i cannot find any useful log in that journal commands nor var/log/...
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• 905[06:17:58] <Gadget> So I have a dell R810 with 6 drive bays. I have 2 300GB SAS drives and 4 x 500GB SSDs. The dell R810 has a built in H700 RAID card, which is the only way I can use the front 6 drive bays (only ones on the chassis). Is there any way to pass-through the disks to debian so that if the RAID card on the server fails I don't lose all of the data that was on it, EX: putting each of the disks in a single drive RAID0? My main issue with
• 906[06:17:58] <Gadget> on-board RAID is that to rebuild the array I need to reboot the server, and since I have no physical view of the server (colo) I have no way of knowing if a drive has failed
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• 925[06:33:06] <jmcnaught> Gadget: if you prefer to use mdadm/linux software raid then you could see if the hardware RAID controller can be configured to act like a normal SATA/SAS controller (and expose the drives to the OS individually)
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• 930[06:38:11] <Gadget> I looked up the H700 Raid Card but it appears it doesn't support JBOD or act as an HBA
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• 937[06:43:48] <Gadget> If making 4 individual RAID 0s is unreliable, does anyone know of a way to monitor hardware RAID
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• 950[07:00:00] <jmcnaught> Gadget: was it Dell documentation that said there is no JBOD or equivalent mode?
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• 954[07:01:50] <jmcnaught> i wouldn't bet on even individual RAID0s, they'll still have some proprietary junk mixed in. Could be worth testing though.
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• 956[07:03:33] <Gadget> Well, it said no JBOD flat out, I was talking about flashing it into IT mode or even to another controller
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• 1049[07:58:57] <hexnewbie> apt-get should win a gold medal. 1. Stop apache, 2. Upgrade vim, 3. Start apache. Send uptime to hell :)
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• 1055[08:01:37] <ikskatrezed> opiopùuiomyuoid(,u-<-<ÉW
• 1056[08:01:48] <ikskatrezed> MP*poiQAyfyf:yfiyfyfyfyfipllllllllllllllllllllllll
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• 1065[08:06:05] <toruvinn> ikskatrezed, say hello to your cat
• 1066[08:06:08] <toruvinn> oh, he left.
• 1067[08:07:34] <fshfsh> So I installed cwm and it pulled in a bunch of other packages (dbus fontconfig xscreensaver etc..) if I uninstall cwm how do I check which packages were installed because of it and uninstall them?
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• 1070[08:08:53] <hexnewbie> fshfsh: Should typically be removed by autoremove. If not, you can see them in /var/log/apt/history.log, etc. But fontconfig seems like a package you might need, even if that's a server :)
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• 1072[08:10:44] <fshfsh> Ah, gocha, I wasn't sure if apt autoremove did that, thanks hexnewbie.
• 1073[08:11:09] <hexnewbie> apt-get autoremove does it, aptitude does it by default at every operation, but I have no idea about apt
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• 1077[08:11:55] <hexnewbie> I think apt likes to be even more destructive by default, so probably it autoremoves as well :)
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• 1100[08:28:40] <pandix> Hello
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• 1108[08:31:16] <pandix> have problems to run VMware-Workstation-Full-10.0.6-2700073.i386.bundle on my latest Ubuntu 16.04 (Debian Based 32 Bit)... ... it loaded a while and stuck... :-(
• 1109[08:31:38] <pandix> think its a problem with the archtitecture...
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• 1114[08:32:57] <well_laid_lawn> !ubuntu
• 1115[08:32:57] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 1116[08:33:24] <pandix> thank you! Goodbye.
• 1117[08:33:26] <pandix> :)
• 1118[08:34:02] <well_laid_lawn> pandix: yw
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• 1126[08:37:49] <fshfsh> uh, one more question.. is there a wiki for debian 9 nvidia driver installation?
• 1127[08:38:24] <well_laid_lawn> !nvidia
• 1128[08:38:25] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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• 1130[08:38:46] <Trioxin> need help. I'm following this: replaced-url
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• 1132[08:39:24] <fshfsh> Well yeah but it doesn't have a section for debian 9, just 8 and 7..
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• 1134[08:39:54] <fshfsh> Oh wait it does i'm stupid..
• 1135[08:40:04] <Trioxin> idk what memory it's talking about. Almost all of my 32gb is free
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• 1188[08:59:06] <fshfsh> So when I run nvidia-settings it says that it's not using the invidia driver and to run nvidia-xconfig which breaks xorg.conf. modprobe says im using nvidia drivers..
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• 1195[09:02:09] <jmcnaught> i don't use nvidia drivers but was under the impression that they no longer require an xorg.conf to use them
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• 1202[09:04:10] <well_laid_lawn> there's nvidia-config iirc
• 1203[09:05:05] <well_laid_lawn> just have to make sure nouvea driver is blacklisted
• 1204[09:05:10] <fshfsh> Apparently it breaks bumblebee systems, so im figuring out how to set up that on 9
• 1205[09:05:49] <well_laid_lawn> bumblebee is a different kettle of fish - I know nothing of that
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• 1207[09:06:10] <well_laid_lawn> !bumblebee
• 1208[09:06:11] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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• 1228[09:12:39] <mark__> hi, if i accidentally erased /dev/*, will a reboot bring it all back?
• 1229[09:12:43] <mark__> restarting udev didn't work
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• 1246[09:18:59] <well_laid_lawn> tr it and see - dev should return
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• 1340[10:00:58] <pingfloyd> it should as far as I know, afterall, /dev is usually over a tmpfs
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• 1374[10:15:31] <eugenmayer> when upgrading from jessie to stretch, my ethernet interfaces are named eth0 still. How can i enforce the new behavior?
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• 1392[10:22:59] <kos-mos> Hi
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• 1394[10:23:26] <kos-mos> I want to restrict what an user can do on a Debian system.
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• 1396[10:24:15] <kos-mos> Would you recommend acl or lshell ?
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• 1403[10:27:47] <bezaban> kos-mos: normal users are already pretty restricted, if you have something specific in mind, it would be easier to recommend something that solves that
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• 1406[10:28:34] <bezaban> eg. not run binaries: mount the home directory noexec
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• 1414[10:31:39] <eugenmayer> what is the correct way to enable predictable interface names in a upgraded stretch box? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=1" ?
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• 1418[10:34:30] <jmcnaught> eugenmayer: there are instructions in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz
• 1419[10:34:44] <petn-randall> eugenmayer: I'm guessing you just need to remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (make a backup before).
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• 1423[10:35:10] <eugenmayer> petn-randall: according to this, replaced-url
• 1424[10:35:35] <eugenmayer> what i just wonder is, that GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=1" is missing on a fresh installed stretch box, but still i have the new predictable names
• 1425[10:35:47] <eugenmayer> on upgrade boxes, the option is missing and i have the old ones
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• 1429[10:36:14] <petn-randall> eugenmayer: It says, "Read README.Debian for the migration guide". I'd check that.
• 1430[10:37:09] <petn-randall> eugenmayer: It's in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz.
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• 1441[10:40:32] <eugenmayer> petn-randall: jmcnaught thanks!
• 1442[10:41:04] <petn-randall> eugenmayer: you're welcome!
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• 1483[11:07:51] <CQ> hello, I have some issues with my sources.list... replaced-url
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• 1502[11:20:08] <pvdp> Just enter the http address in your browser and then you'll see the issue. replaced-url
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• 1506[11:21:28] <pvdp> Same for replaced-url
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• 1534[11:40:11] <petn-randall> CQ: The mozilla.debian.net repo you list doesn't exist, it's also not mentioned on their web page. As for dropbox, you'll have to ask them if they provide packages for stretch or not. This is out of Debian's control.
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• 1546[11:43:29] <eugenmayer> petn-randall: my problem now is, with the upgraded box, that instead having eno1 i get enp0s31…. the boxes have the same hardware but the fresh installed has just
• 1547[11:43:40] <eugenmayer> eno0 - is there i "make it simpler" option?
• 1548[11:44:30] <CQ> petn-randall: the moz.deb.net page surrests installing ESR
• 1549[11:44:34] <CQ> suggests
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• 1561[11:49:43] <cybrNaut> I want to do "dpkg -l" to list installed packages, but I only want to see packages that I proactively installed, not all the libs and dependcies
• 1562[11:49:46] <cybrNaut> is that possible?
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• 1565[11:51:29] <CQ> search for apt-mark showmanual
• 1566[11:51:37] <cybrNaut> CQ: thanks
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• 1577[11:58:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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• 1589[12:02:48] <phix> BluesKaj: G'day mate!
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• 1591[12:03:40] <BluesKaj> Hi phix
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• 1593[12:03:59] <wyoung> BluesKaj: werd
• 1594[12:04:11] <phix> hi BluesKaj!
• 1595[12:04:22] <phix> What's the latest?
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• 1597[12:04:37] <phix> wyoung: sup?
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• 1599[12:04:59] <BluesKaj> Hi wyoung:
• 1600[12:05:14] <wyoung> not much
• 1601[12:05:17] <wyoung> hey gang!
• 1602[12:05:29] <BluesKaj> 'Morning coffee here, phix . and you?
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• 1604[12:05:42] <phix> BluesKaj: evening scotch here :)
• 1605[12:05:54] <phix> single malt, 12 years
• 1606[12:05:57] <BluesKaj> :-)
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• 1609[12:07:14] <phix> from speyside area
• 1610[12:07:35] <phix> Elgan actually
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• 1612[12:07:46] <magnus> can i pm someone about error code ubuntu
• 1613[12:07:52] <phix> magnus: no
• 1614[12:08:00] <phix> magnus: you can ask your question in here though L(
• 1615[12:08:04] <phix> L( = :)
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• 1618[12:08:25] <magnus> oke cool
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• 1621[12:08:59] <magnus> What does this message mean; W: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays. After apt-get upgrade
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• 1623[12:09:54] <svod> ok question
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• 1625[12:10:15] <phix> magnus: it means you are not using software raid or you are and you haven't added raid entries to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
• 1626[12:10:20] <phix> svod: ok answer
• 1627[12:10:31] <towo^work> magnus, it means, your'e not using mdadm or sofraid
• 1628[12:10:36] <svod> i installed cinnamon with the netinstaller and it's screen tear free, but openbox has tearing for days, why is that?
• 1629[12:10:44] <phix> towo^work: correct
• 1630[12:10:46] <svod> nouveau btw.
• 1631[12:11:09] <phix> svod: I don't understand the question sorry
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• 1636[12:11:56] <svod> I'm just wondering why cinnamon has screen tearing and openbox doesn't.
• 1637[12:12:08] <svod> wait I meant openbox has tearing and cinnamon doesn't..
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• 1640[12:12:33] <towo^work> cinnamon is running a compositor
• 1641[12:12:33] <magnus> does it matter?
• 1642[12:12:51] <towo^work> and that compositor prevents tearing
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• 1645[12:12:58] <svod> compositor? and yeah I like to be able to watch movies withought my eyes bleeding.
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• 1649[12:13:42] <towo^work> install compton, start that on openbox and tearing should there even be gone
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• 1655[12:15:54] <towo^work> magnus, if you don't want to see that message anymore, do 'apt purge mdadm'
• 1656[12:16:06] <svod> Ah will do, thanks towo^work
• 1657[12:16:52] <cybrNaut> "apt-mark showmanual" shows a hell of a lot of libs
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• 1663[12:21:41] <Ke> in general any well maintained system should be able to run aptitude purge ~c
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• 1665[12:22:11] <Ke> eg. one where apt-mark showmanual does not show any unwanted libs
• 1666[12:22:38] <Ke> in general it's better the cleanup right at the start and keep clean
• 1667[12:24:05] <eugenmayer> why are eno0 names shorten on fresh stretch installations but when upgrading from jessie and enabling persistent interfacen names, they are enp1fxx ( long names ) .. i cannot even find a rule that shortens them on fresh installations
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• 1669[12:24:14] <eugenmayer> why is that as inconsistent as this>?
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• 1679[12:29:06] <eugenmayer> doing udevadm test-builtin net_id /sys/class/net/eno1 | grep '^ID_NET_NAME_' .. i get different results in both systems..
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• 1681[12:29:12] <eugenmayer> ID_NET_NAME_PATH=enp0s31f6
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• 1683[12:29:19] <eugenmayer> ID_NET_NAME_ONBOARD=eno1
• 1684[12:29:29] <dTal> yeah I miss when wifi was "wlan0", I can't remember this gobbledygook
• 1685[12:29:31] <eugenmayer> so its just because one has an oboard card
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• 1714[12:39:31] <careta> hi guys
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• 1717[12:39:52] <careta> anyone having segfaults on Virtualbox caused by libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.31?
• 1718[12:40:52] <magnus> what does this error mean: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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• 1722[12:43:43] <dTal> impossible to say, you should look for a more detailed error message in your scrollback
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• 1729[12:46:03] <magnus> here are more detailsl; replaced-url
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• 1755[12:56:27] <linuxthefish> magnus read line to to line 14 :p
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• 1761[12:58:42] <iodev> linuxthefish: hi
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• 1766[13:00:57] <linuxthefish> iodev hy
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• 1771[13:02:36] <magnus> @linuxthefish change it in /etc/hosts?
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• 1779[13:04:47] <notphix> sup gang
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• 1781[13:05:06] <iodev> notphix: hi
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• 1785[13:05:46] <phix> iodev: hey
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• 1787[13:05:55] <phix> iodev: I am here now :)
• 1788[13:06:23] <iodev> yes, how can I help you?
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• 1793[13:08:49] <phix> iodev: Are you qualified?
• 1794[13:09:14] <iodev> phix: on paper no, experience maybe
• 1795[13:09:51] <wyoung> ok, how can I deal with ops on other channels? (not this one, these ops are nice)
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• 1798[13:10:23] <iodev> wyoung: you need a self-help book :D
• 1799[13:10:30] <wyoung> There are a small group of ops on a particular channel that are rude and have large egos but if you try to confront them about it they ban you
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• 1802[13:10:50] <wyoung> How can you deal with people like that?
• 1803[13:11:01] <wyoung> I feel like they need a punch in the head
• 1804[13:11:12] <wyoung> But I am not violent so I can't help the
• 1805[13:11:14] <wyoung> them*
• 1806[13:11:16] * iodev knows exactly what you're talking about wyoung
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• 1809[13:11:31] <wyoung> You are a good listerner iodev :)
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• 1811[13:12:26] <iodev> I have a big ego (and used to let it manifest itself), but I'm now trying to stop it, bury it, kill it :D
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• 1813[13:12:40] <iodev> so I can understand those ops :D
• 1814[13:12:58] <wyoung> And you don't have ops so that probably helps :P)
• 1815[13:13:23] <wyoung> iodev: can you join the channel I am having issues with and try and help them?
• 1816[13:14:15] <iodev> wyoung: sure, but there's not use telling them they got big ego, they won't believe you (I wouldn't have at that stage)
• 1817[13:14:40] <wyoung> hmmmm, any other stratigies?
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• 1819[13:15:26] <wyoung> I feel like putting htem in their place with non-profanity words but then they ban me :/
• 1820[13:15:48] <iodev> wyoung: only 1
• 1821[13:15:50] <wyoung> I ask valid and conherent questions and their ego just hits the ban button
• 1822[13:16:02] <iodev> you must apologize, even if it's not your fault
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• 1826[13:16:20] <wyoung> iodev: yeah I thought of that but they don't deserve it
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• 1828[13:16:36] <ksk> maybe take this talk to #debian-offtopic, its not that debian related :)
• 1829[13:16:38] <wyoung> actually I did try that and they didn't believe me
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• 1831[13:16:44] <wyoung> ksk: sorry, I Will
• 1832[13:16:54] <iodev> ksk: yeah, I didn't know that channel existed (new here), sorry
• 1833[13:17:17] <wyoung> iodev: lets discuss in there :) I like your feedback
• 1834[13:17:19] <iodev> wyoung: I joined offtopic
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• 1839[13:19:43] <careta> anyone having segfaults on Virtualbox caused by libgdk-x11 ??
• 1840[13:19:47] <careta> on stable
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• 1846[13:23:46] <pclover> anytime i see a segfault i typically check for bad ram first
• 1847[13:23:48] <pclover> but that's just me
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• 1851[13:25:25] <wyoung> czpepkry: nope
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• 1856[13:26:25] <msl09> hey, have anyone ran reportbug recently?
• 1857[13:26:58] <petn-randall> msl09: Ask your real question.
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• 1860[13:27:37] <msl09> I'm getting a network timeout and I'm not sure if it's due to corporate proxy shenanigans or bts
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• 1862[13:28:51] <petn-randall> msl09: Likely it's due to firewalling. It uses port 25 or 587 for mail submission.
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• 1866[13:30:16] <msl09> I'm not submitting yet I'm querying for reports
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• 1881[13:40:47] <petn-randall> msl09: It'll use HTTP(S) for that.
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• 1887[13:43:46] <msl09> yeah looks like it's being held by the firewall
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• 1891[13:45:06] <msl09> it stops at syn_sent, but I'm using the same proxy configuration that I'm using for wget it's working
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• 1893[13:45:36] <petn-randall> msl09: How are you passing the proxy config?
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• 1902[13:47:02] <mflow> How can I remove xserver-xorg-video-intel from Debian Jessie without removing task-desktop and task-kde-desktop ? Or by removing them but installing what they install but without xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
• 1903[13:47:47] <towo^work> what's the problem if metapackages are removed?
• 1904[13:48:14] <mflow> I no longer have a graphical desktop
• 1905[13:48:24] <mflow> i.e. can't login through kdm, I'm booted into a shell
• 1906[13:49:07] <towo^work> removing metapackages does not remove real packages
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• 1908[13:49:15] <towo^work> or i don't understand, what you do
• 1909[13:49:42] <petn-randall> msl09: Check out bug #717563, there it's suggested to set the HTTP_PROXY environment var.
• 1910[13:49:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1912[13:49:55] <mflow> I did apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-intel and it uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-all task-desktop task-kde-desktop and rebooted and I was booted into a shell
• 1913[13:50:32] <towo^work> because you have a intel graphic
• 1914[13:50:33] <petn-randall> mflow: Can you show us the complete output of your apt-get run?
• 1915[13:50:33] <sypher> mflow: Is the presence of xserver-xorg-video-intel causing problems?
• 1916[13:50:57] <towo^work> removing the ddx, is a bad idea without giving the system a alternative
• 1917[13:51:01] <petn-randall> mflow: If haven't saved the output, the last entries in /var/log/apt/history.log would be useful.
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• 1920[13:52:25] <towo^work> without the intel-ddx how x should start?
• 1921[13:52:32] <mflow> towo^work: I've also installed linux kernel and firmware from backports: via apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-misc-nonfree
• 1922[13:52:57] <sypher> mflow: WHY are you trying to remove xserver-xorg-video-intel?
• 1923[13:52:57] <towo^work> again, what ddx X should use, if you remove intel?
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• 1925[13:53:28] <mflow> the X servers builtin?
• 1926[13:53:40] <towo^work> in jesse there is no buildin
• 1927[13:53:42] <mflow> "The use of this driver is discouraged if your hw is new enough (ca. 2007 and newer). You can try uninstalling this driver and let the server use it's builtin modesetting driver instead. "
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• 1929[13:54:04] <towo^work> mflow, than you must have xserver-xorg-video-modesetting have installed
• 1930[13:54:24] <towo^work> and /var/log/Xorg.0.log will enlighten you, what's goning wrong
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• 1932[13:56:05] <likcoras> Does the debian-security mailinglist get updates before the rss feed, or is it just my client being screwy?
• 1933[13:56:34] <likcoras> Like multiple hours, close to a day late.
• 1934[13:56:45] <Haohmaru> where do i configure the mouse settings like speed and acceleration in debian 9?
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• 1936[13:57:08] <Haohmaru> because those in the LXDE gui don't seem to apply
• 1937[13:58:28] <Haohmaru> i read some stuff about libinput and it instructs me to insert certain text into a conf file, but the directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ doesn't even exist
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• 1942[13:59:13] <svod> mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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• 1948[14:01:49] <likcoras> Haohmaru: the config depends on the input driver you're using, which is probably libinput. Check libinput(4) and xorg.conf(5)
• 1949[14:01:57] <BluesKaj> mflow: not sure of the age of your pc but if you have a fairly modern pc/laptop with intel graphics the i915or i965 driver is the default and it's contained in the xserver-xorg-video-intel display driver
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• 1964[14:10:18] <mflow> towo^work: I think having xserver-xorg-video-modesetting installed is not enough, as I have it and still can't boot into kdm ; the X log says: "No screens found" "Can't load Intel module (does not exist)" "/dev/dri/card0 no such file"
• 1965[14:10:57] <JohnyX> mflow, it's a laptop of a desktop?
• 1966[14:11:50] <mflow> JohnyX: desktop with Intel Kaby Lake CPU 7700, when I have the xserver-xorg-video-intel installed the i915 drived is loaded by the kernel
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• 1968[14:12:20] <DrOwl> good day, I wonder if some one might help me debug a problem... my .xsession-errors is filling my disk with repeated lines saying "WaitForSingleObject: unknown handle type 140315575231920", how can i find out which app is creating the errors and how to fix it?
• 1969[14:12:35] <mflow> JohnyX: *the xserver-xorg-video-intel package from debian jessie bacports
• 1970[14:12:43] <BluesKaj> mflow: did you see my post above? the default dtiver is the correct one, you might have other problems other than your gpu
• 1971[14:12:53] <Haohmaru> crap, the root password is not accepted.. damn it
• 1972[14:12:53] <DrOwl> Im am running Debian 9 and Xfce
• 1973[14:13:14] <towo^work> mflow, if /dev/dri/card0 not exist, then kms is not running propper
• 1974[14:13:28] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, you can bypass the root password in grub
• 1975[14:13:42] <towo^work> mflow, i would bet my ass, dmesg | grep -i firmw do complain about missing firmware
• 1976[14:13:54] <towo^work> mflow, kabylake and jessie is a bad choice
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• 1978[14:14:02] <mflow> BluesKaj: yes, but I'm trying to remove it because of the note on the package description: replaced-url
• 1979[14:14:04] <Haohmaru> JohnyX, how?
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• 1981[14:14:23] <Haohmaru> i need to have a root password after all..
• 1982[14:14:32] <BluesKaj> mflow: the description is mistaken
• 1983[14:14:47] <towo^work> BluesKaj, no is not
• 1984[14:15:04] <BluesKaj> ok then, have fun
• 1985[14:15:20] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, when you see the booting screen, hit <tab> Then type the kernel name with init=/bin/sh. Like example: bzImage init=/bin/sh it will boot the system as root with ro /. mount -o remount,rw / will bring / back in rw. Then do a passwd, which let you reset the root pass.
• 1986[14:15:26] <towo^work> you should sometimes read some news
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• 1989[14:16:01] <towo^work> many distros are using modesetting by default for intel, since the intel ddx is not in a best state
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• 1993[14:16:15] <towo^work> but on kabylake, i would not do that
• 1994[14:16:35] <towo^work> mflow, and again, jessie is a bad choice for such new hardware
• 1995[14:16:42] <Guest86888> how can i obtain the source files for these packages 'lib32gcc1 lib32z1 libc6-i386 python3-xdg shashlik' when 'sudo apt-get source lib32gcc1 lib32z1 libc6-i386 python3-xdg shashlik' wont work
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• 1997[14:16:57] <BluesKaj> I have the same gpu and driver on my laptop, it's the default
• 1998[14:16:58] <Haohmaru> JohnyX, where do i type? should i press "c" for a "command line" ?
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• 2000[14:17:11] <Guest86888> Reading package lists... Done
• 2001[14:17:11] <Guest86888> Picking 'gccgo-6' as source package instead of 'lib32gcc1'
• 2002[14:17:11] <Guest86888> E: Can not find version '6.0.1-0ubuntu1' of package 'lib32gcc1'
• 2003[14:17:11] <Guest86888> E: Unable to find a source package for gccgo-6
• 2004[14:17:25] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, yeah, that work too. You want to be in manual commands in grub. To bypass the default boot.
• 2005[14:18:01] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, basicly changing the init to init=/bin/sh make the shell trigger instead of all the booting script. Making it bypass all security
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• 2007[14:18:41] <Haohmaru> "error: can't find command bzImage"
• 2008[14:19:10] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, That was a example, depend which kernel you have and name you got.
• 2009[14:19:43] <Haohmaru> okay.. i'll just reinstall it
• 2010[14:19:56] <mflow> towo^work: Thanks for the info; it really helped ;-) I will try to run the dmesg command ASAP as I'm AFK for a bit
• 2011[14:20:58] <Haohmaru> it's very weird because both the root and the user password should've been the same.. but i guess i've entered the root password "at an angle"
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• 2048[14:40:45] <msl09> ah I found the bug petn-randall
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• 2051[14:41:50] <_Wise_> Hi *
• 2052[14:41:58] <mflow> the firmware seems to be loaded [ 2.500210] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin , anyway I will get the intel package installed and move on
• 2053[14:42:04] <mflow> s/get/keep
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• 2057[14:42:46] <Cl0udN9ne> Err:1 replaced-url
• 2058[14:42:49] <msl09> petn-randall: reportbug never passes the http_proxy variable to debian-bts which in turns never passes the proxy to the SoapClient object
• 2059[14:42:55] <_Wise_> just noticed with my Debian Stretch that *all* my tcp outgoing traffic is using *only* even tcp port numbers, is that normal ?
• 2060[14:43:16] <Cl0udN9ne> while doing apt-get install gradle,i get tht error
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• 2062[14:43:43] <Cl0udN9ne> is there a way to get another repo to download from?
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• 2065[14:44:10] <abrotman> Cl0udN9ne: run apt-get update?
• 2066[14:44:20] <Cl0udN9ne> yeah
• 2067[14:44:25] <Cl0udN9ne> stupid me :P
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• 2084[14:52:41] <Haohmaru> why do i think that choosing brtfs instead of ext4 was a bad idea
• 2085[14:53:06] <Haohmaru> i have the feeling that anything related to creating files takes ages
• 2086[14:53:32] <Haohmaru> or the slowness comes from some other place.. i don't know
• 2087[14:53:41] <pclover> isn't it still unstable?
• 2088[14:54:00] <pclover> Haohmaru, you also have the choice of EXT4 + LVM
• 2089[14:54:11] <Haohmaru> i don't know.. it's there as an option
• 2090[14:54:31] <Haohmaru> i'm not sure i want this LVM thing
• 2091[14:54:42] <pclover> what do you need with storage?
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• 2093[14:55:39] <Haohmaru> i was running 32bit lubuntu (on ext4 partitions like usual) but it was annoying, so now i replaced it with 64bit debian, and for some stupid reason i decided to use brtfs
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• 2095[14:56:17] <pclover> i don't know too much about btrft
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• 2097[14:56:44] <pclover> other then before it was unstable and had issues
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• 2099[14:56:52] <pclover> Perhaps it's stable now
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• 2101[14:57:19] <pclover> Haohmaru, tho next time it may be a good idea to research into file systems and what meets your needs.
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• 2104[14:57:44] <Haohmaru> could the difference between i686 vs amd64 distribution somehow explain why i'd "feel" a very significant slowness when files are created?
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• 2106[14:58:26] <Haohmaru> pclover, i read some article or wikipedia page about ext4 and btrfs and crap, that's what inspired me to try it out
• 2107[14:58:30] <Haohmaru> i'm an idiot
• 2108[14:58:32] <Haohmaru> ;]
• 2109[14:58:36] <pclover> lol
• 2110[14:58:38] <sypher> Haohmaru: What, precisely, is the issue with LVM?
• 2111[14:58:57] <pclover> LVM is awesome
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• 2113[14:59:00] <Haohmaru> sypher, i'm not familiar with exactly what it is, and haven't used it
• 2114[14:59:08] <pclover> than you probably don't need it
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• 2116[14:59:38] <pclover> but allows for flexible storage management
• 2117[14:59:40] <jelly> Haohmaru, different fs type is a lot more significant than just the architecture, both i386 and amd64 are well known and reasonably optimized for
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• 2120[15:00:23] <Haohmaru> yeah, i also really doubt that 32 vs 64bit would cause something like this
• 2121[15:00:30] <pclover> it allows you to say easily add drives resize stuff etc
• 2122[15:00:32] <sypher> Haohmaru: LVM is an extremely mature method of storage management.
• 2123[15:00:40] <pclover> ^
• 2124[15:01:19] <sypher> Haohmaru: I use ext4/xfs on LVM on nearly every system I own/manage. I trust it quite a bit more than btrfs, certainly.
• 2125[15:01:23] <pclover> zfs appears to be another popular option but it's license is not compatible with the linux kernel and unsure about it's status on linux.
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• 2127[15:01:30] <Haohmaru> i'm installing a software package with synaptic.. 72MB download, ~600MB space required, it's been like 20 minutes already and it's still at "processing triggers for libc-bin"
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• 2129[15:01:44] <sypher> pclover: It's available as a FUSE module, that I know. Beyond that, not sure.
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• 2131[15:02:02] <pclover> been awhile since i looked at it
• 2132[15:02:04] <Haohmaru> ..the cpu isn't doing anything
• 2133[15:02:26] <Haohmaru> my nose tells me it's something related to btrfs
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• 2135[15:02:57] <jelly> serves you right for using alpha-quality software
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• 2138[15:03:22] <Haohmaru> no more experiments :~(
• 2139[15:03:49] <jelly> if you want to play with btrfs you usually want to have latest vanilla kernel
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• 2141[15:03:56] <sypher> Haohmaru: Try using a mature FS on LVM.
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• 2143[15:04:19] <Haohmaru> wait a minute.. LVM is a partition table type?
• 2144[15:04:34] <jelly> lvm is a layer between disks (partitions) and a filesystem
• 2145[15:04:35] <Haohmaru> like msdos partition
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• 2147[15:05:12] <jelly> it's sort of like a partition table, but also sort of like raid and thin provisioning as well
• 2148[15:05:31] * Haohmaru doesn't really know what raid is
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• 2150[15:05:59] <Haohmaru> ext4 has worked fine for me.. i'll use ext4 like always
• 2151[15:06:03] <jelly> raid is a way to make more reliable storage out of single disks using the power of MATHS
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• 2154[15:06:18] <Haohmaru> mm, funky
• 2155[15:07:04] <Haohmaru> does it write the same stuff into multiple locations and perform magic to get a better reliability from the hard disk?
• 2156[15:07:10] <jelly> in its simplest form, level 1 raid just makes two copies of everything on two disks, halving the effective usable size
• 2157[15:07:18] <jelly> !raid
• 2158[15:07:19] <dpkg> Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID) is a system of multiple hard drives for sharing or replicating data. Ask me about RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, <raid-resizing>, <rocketraid>. replaced-url
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• 2161[15:07:55] <jelly> there are more interesting raid levels that lose less than 50% of space.
• 2162[15:08:21] <Haohmaru> hm?
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• 2164[15:08:30] <jelly> MATHS
• 2165[15:08:32] <Haohmaru> do they use complex number maths?
• 2166[15:08:39] <jelly> just integers.
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• 2170[15:09:35] <petn-randall> RAID levels with 2 or more parities get really funky with calculating it, but it's still integer MATHS.
• 2171[15:09:47] <jelly> read about raid5, and raid6, then about problems with those, then about ways ZFS and NetApp and btrfs work around some of those problems
• 2172[15:10:04] <Haohmaru> oh noes
• 2173[15:10:10] * jelly forgets what netapp's fs is called. WAFL?
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• 2175[15:10:47] <Haohmaru> it's almost edible?
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• 2186[15:20:36] <pclover> wonder why RAID5 is still popular
• 2187[15:20:53] <pclover> despite it's problems and if you get a URE during a rebuild your kinda hosed
• 2188[15:21:31] <pclover> and if one disk goes out your write performance is going to be awful
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• 2191[15:23:49] <colo-work> spindles cost money, and consumer chassis rarely carry more than 4
• 2192[15:24:02] <colo-work> that's 50% vs 75% usable storage for RAID6 vs RAID5
• 2193[15:24:08] <colo-work> which probably answers your question
• 2194[15:24:27] <pclover> yeah everything seems to be about cost
• 2195[15:24:27] <colo-work> what I _really_ don't get is people having RAID5 with a hot spare
• 2196[15:24:43] <pclover> huh
• 2197[15:24:49] <cronic> hey there :) On Debian 8, is there a way to deactivate/activate a specific usb port?
• 2198[15:25:11] <pclover> colo-work, raid10 is a much better option IMO but it also costs more
• 2199[15:25:11] <petn-randall> cronic: No, what are you trying to achieve?
• 2200[15:25:35] <JyZyXEL> is there a DE agnostic way of asking superuser permissions with a GUI?
• 2201[15:25:41] <inch> cronic: You could deactivate a group ports by unbinding the driver from the usb-controller.
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• 2203[15:25:52] <petn-randall> pclover: RAID5/6 has pretty good write speeds on serial I/O. Just don't use it for anything else.
• 2204[15:26:00] <pclover> Raid 5 and 6 need more more resources but i guess CPU's are fast enough
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• 2206[15:26:09] <pclover> unless you wanted a write cache than you'd need a controller
• 2207[15:26:16] <cronic> petn-randall: Just playin with a usb tetris lamp, there is no chipset in it, so it does only get 5v. I thought i could write a script for some notifications, that activate/deactivate the usb port
• 2208[15:26:50] <eze> I am getting this error: replaced-url
• 2209[15:27:20] <eze> any ideas on how to solve it? (I am new with apt-key)
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• 2211[15:27:36] <pclover> SSDs seem to the best overall option but it's not exactly cost efficient vs spinning disks
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• 2213[15:28:13] <pclover> been awhile but do 10k and 15k disks still see the light of day or has SSDs taken that over?
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• 2215[15:28:17] <petn-randall> cronic: AFAIK the OS has no control over powering USB port on or off. If it registers as USB device you could try this though: replaced-url
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• 2218[15:28:44] * greycat closes the crazy ubuntu no-goal-stated, obscuring-the-public-key-fingerprint question
• 2219[15:28:53] <cheapie> pclover: Seagate still sells the things, so I'd assume they get used somewhere.
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• 2221[15:29:23] <pclover> only benefit i could see is write endurance
• 2222[15:29:28] <pclover> SLC SSDs are not cheap
• 2223[15:29:39] <cheapie> That and mechanical drives make better noises :P
• 2224[15:29:49] <pclover> a heavy write load on say a MLC SSDs is not going to be happy
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• 2226[15:30:00] <pclover> or rather i should say a TLC SSD
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• 2228[15:30:17] <cheapie> SSDs can't do this: replaced-url
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• 2231[15:30:41] <pclover> lol
• 2232[15:30:56] <Emma_Gination> Hi Guys! Does anybody know what debian uses to manage service startup shutdown(what is their chkconfig equivalent)?
• 2233[15:31:17] <greycat> Debian 8 and 9 use systemd by default. Prior to that, it's various flavors of sysvinit + helpers and hacks.
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• 2235[15:31:33] <cronic> petn-randall: Mhh ok. Then i maybe have to use an arm for that.. The OS is not recognizing it as a controller, its just powered
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• 2237[15:31:37] <petn-randall> cheapie: SSDs can't do this: replaced-url
• 2238[15:31:40] <Emma_Gination> greycat: thanks :)
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• 2245[15:35:14] <celyr> I found a bug in default vsftpd pam.d
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• 2247[15:35:31] <celyr> bug is sss related
• 2248[15:35:41] <greycat> !bts
• 2249[15:35:42] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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• 2251[15:37:25] <celyr> greycat, 1234 IYO ?
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• 2253[15:39:15] <contrapunctus> o/
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• 2261[15:42:48] <contrapunctus> HP ProBook laptop, Cinnamon DE. Clicking 'Shut Down' (from the options given after pressin the power button) always restarts the system.
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• 2277[15:54:46] <Haohmaru> why does it look like i don't have add-apt-repository?
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• 2280[15:55:07] <contrapunctus> anyone? o_O
• 2281[15:55:08] <greycat> ,file add-apt-repo
• 2282[15:55:12] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 2284[15:55:25] <greycat> Why do you think that you *should* have this thing?
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• 2286[15:55:34] <gattler> Hi all, I've installed jessie using "debootstrap", The resulting system boots fine with systemd but with sysvinit not login is spawned, any suggestions?
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• 2288[15:55:56] <Haohmaru> greycat, because.. my past hounts me in the present?
• 2289[15:56:01] <Haohmaru> * haunts
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• 2291[15:56:19] <greycat> Under sysvinit, inittab should contain 1 or more getty lines, to run getty on each of the Linux virtual consoles (tty1 etc.)
• 2292[15:56:31] <gattler> greycat: yes, it is there
• 2293[15:56:31] <Haohmaru> i don't know.. i'm trying to install a certain thing from a "ppa" and i'm following instructions, and i can't get it to work
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• 2295[15:56:59] <greycat> Debian does not use PPAs. That's Ubuntu.
• 2296[15:57:06] <Haohmaru> oh
• 2297[15:57:35] <Haohmaru> well, crap
• 2298[15:57:44] <Haohmaru> i don't want ubuntu :~(
• 2299[15:57:56] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
• 2300[15:57:58] <gattler> greycat: there are 6 tty's defined
• 2301[15:58:10] <greycat> gattler: what do the logs say?
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• 2303[15:58:12] <Haohmaru> greycat, install a more recent version of kicad
• 2304[15:58:17] <greycat> ,v kicad
• 2305[15:58:18] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1; wheezy-backports: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; jessie-backports: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; buster: 4.0.6+dfsg1-1; sid: 4.0.6+dfsg1-1
• 2306[15:58:37] <greycat> Haohmaru: what version of Debian is this?
• 2307[15:58:57] <contrapunctus> greycat: I thought this channel was for Stable only
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• 2309[15:59:06] <Haohmaru> in synaptic i got 4.0.5, i can't even get 4.0.6, and that's not even one of the "more recent" ones
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• 2311[15:59:09] <greycat> Lots of people run oldstable or oldoldstable.
• 2312[15:59:13] <Haohmaru> graytron, debian 9
• 2313[15:59:16] <contrapunctus> ah.
• 2314[15:59:17] <petn-randall> contrapunctus: There are several stable releases ...
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• 2316[15:59:37] <greycat> Haohmaru: I don't think a stretch-backports has been set up yet. You can attempt to build your own backport from sid sources.
• 2317[15:59:38] <gattler> greycat: how do I access the logs?
• 2318[15:59:43] <greycat> !tell Haohmaru about ssb
• 2319[15:59:46] <petn-randall> Haohmaru: Is there anything in 4.0.6 you are missing?
• 2320[15:59:55] <greycat> gattler: cd /var/log; ls -lart; tail whatever file looks good
• 2321[16:00:14] <gattler> how? I can't login ....
• 2322[16:00:36] <greycat> Well, that's gonna make it challenging.
• 2323[16:00:50] <gattler> I suppose
• 2324[16:00:52] <greycat> I guess you boot with init=/bin/sh or something...
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• 2326[16:00:56] <gattler> yeah
• 2327[16:00:58] <Haohmaru> greycat, do you mean i'd probably have to compile/build kicad myself?
• 2328[16:01:05] <greycat> Haohmaru: yes, that is what a backport is
• 2329[16:01:13] <Haohmaru> oh boy
• 2330[16:01:14] <contrapunctus> anyone for my problem? :\
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• 2334[16:01:51] <thurstylark> I installed a system using the minimal install from the netinst installer without internet. Is there a group of packages that I should install? I'm finding that I'm missing things like man and curl
• 2335[16:02:25] <petn-randall> thurstylark: Install whatever you want. We can't know what you want on the machine.
• 2336[16:03:04] <greycat> There doesn't appear to be a task-standard to re-attempt the standard install. You'll just have to install the things one by one as you find them missing.
• 2337[16:03:22] <thurstylark> alrighty, then...
• 2338[16:03:24] <greycat> Or maybe run tasksel and pray? I have no idea.
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• 2341[16:04:35] <thurstylark> So, really, the only list of the packages expected to be in a "standard" install is in the installer?
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• 2343[16:04:51] <greycat> I don't know. Did tasksel help?
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• 2347[16:05:26] <greycat> I don't see Standard in mine, but I don't know what populates it.
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• 2349[16:06:12] <thurstylark> not much. It only gave me options for DEs and web servers and sshd and such.
• 2350[16:06:14] <greycat> Oh holy shit, there's no way OUT of it !!
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• 2352[16:06:28] <greycat> Gods fuck what did it DO
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• 2354[16:06:49] <BluesKaj> gotta end the session
• 2355[16:06:56] <thurstylark> Fuck it, I'm just gonna reinstall.
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• 2359[16:07:02] <greycat> I thought not-selecting-anything would just get me out, but NOOOOOO
• 2360[16:07:29] <contrapunctus> greycat: just what happened there o.O
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• 2363[16:07:45] <greycat> It just started REMOVING things at warp speed, and Ctrl-C did not work.
• 2364[16:07:58] <thurstylark> waooooww
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• 2366[16:08:02] <contrapunctus> o_o
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• 2368[16:08:14] <contrapunctus> shoot whoever made it.
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• 2376[16:09:07] <contrapunctus> HP ProBook laptop, Cinnamon DE, Debian Stable. Clicking 'Shut Down' (from the options given after pressin the power button) always restarts the system. How can I fix this?
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• 2379[16:09:40] <BluesKaj> greycat: that's why i use yakuake, one can end the session immediately
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• 2386[16:10:28] <linuxthefish> contrapunctus, does "shutdown -h now" work?
• 2387[16:10:28] <greycat> If I had known it was a trap, I would have killed the process from another terminal.
• 2388[16:10:42] <linuxthefish> lol greycat
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• 2390[16:11:05] <contrapunctus> (for a second there I read that as "Debian Stale".)
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• 2392[16:11:14] <Agiofws> hello
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• 2399[16:13:27] <contrapunctus> linuxthefish: wat. It resulted in a restart, too!
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• 2401[16:13:44] <thurstylark> Here's a question. If I want to install the firmware package for my NIC into the netinst system just to perform the install, how do I go about that? If I switch ttys, it says dpkg isn't found.
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• 2403[16:14:11] <MikeDebian> hello all. I'll soon have 2 migrate 2 servers from their own 1 TB single drivers to a 2TB RAID 1 (2 disks of 2TB for each server). The servers are a Dell T20 and a T30. Both of them are running debian 8. My first question is should I use the software raid controller these servers provide to form a big one disk (raid) or should I use linux software raid? Which one would be better?
• 2404[16:14:30] <greycat> thurstylark: normally you get the netinst image with nonfree firmware
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• 2406[16:14:40] <greycat> !firmware image
• 2407[16:14:41] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 2411[16:15:45] <Agiofws> i downloaded debian cd which has also got debian 9 installer option so i choose that option and installed it on a /dev/sdb which is a usb stick plugged into my host when i was asked to install grub onto the first hard drive i answered negatively and then i was asked where to install grub and i selected /dev/sdb then i let the installation finish and i tried to boot off the stick but it just sits there saying "booting from usb" doing
• 2412[16:15:45] <Agiofws> nothing does anyone have any clue why its not booting off usb? and i have checked the data on the stich there is a boot folder with grub installed which grub.cfg
• 2413[16:16:04] <thurstylark> Jesus, a 3.6G iso just to get my nic working in the installer??
• 2414[16:16:46] <cheapie> thurstylark: Try this one: replaced-url
• 2415[16:16:58] <Agiofws> linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64 root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet
• 2416[16:17:05] <cheapie> "Only" 324MBe
• 2417[16:17:08] <cheapie> MB*
• 2418[16:17:11] <MikeDebian> Agiofws, you should try to install it on UEFI mode
• 2419[16:17:24] <thurstylark> cheapie: Ahh. Ok, that makes better sense. Thanks
• 2420[16:17:36] <Agiofws> MikeDebian, the host is not a uefi bios motherboard
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• 2422[16:18:55] <linuxthefish> contrapunctus, strange never heard of that before! check in your BIOS settings for anything related to power states or "shutdown -H now" for halting the system after shut down and hold down the power switch as a temporary solution
• 2423[16:19:06] <MikeDebian> so the thing is that you can't likely have a partition table on the USB stick
• 2424[16:19:08] <Agiofws> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
• 2425[16:19:19] <MikeDebian> then the PC won't know how to boot from it.
• 2426[16:19:19] <Agiofws> i don't know what to do
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• 2429[16:19:50] <MikeDebian> get an external hard drive to play with instead of the USB stick
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• 2431[16:20:07] <cheapie> Or get a board with a not-broken BIOS :P
• 2432[16:20:10] <Agiofws> i want to install debian on a usb stick
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• 2434[16:20:48] <Agiofws> it won't boot not even on a different host
• 2435[16:20:58] <cheapie> I'd try installing GRUB again, if I were you.
• 2436[16:20:59] <MikeDebian> so find another one in which debian is able to create a partition table and its partitions of course
• 2437[16:21:30] <Agiofws> i can manually create a partition table
• 2438[16:21:46] <cheapie> MikeDebian: You can create a partition table on any flash drive, it doesn't have to be anything special.
• 2439[16:21:48] <Agiofws> but i let the installer install debian 9 on the whole partition
• 2440[16:22:02] <petn-randall> Agiofws: Does your BIOS even support USB-HDD booting?
• 2441[16:22:05] <MikeDebian> cheapie, some faulty usb may not allow it
• 2442[16:22:07] <petn-randall> (not all do)
• 2443[16:22:13] <Agiofws> petn-randall, yes it does
• 2444[16:22:15] <linuxthefish> Agiofws check if the boot flag for the partition grub is installed on, some BIOS's are picky about it
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• 2446[16:22:28] <Agiofws> yes boot flag was on
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• 2449[16:22:54] <Agiofws> sdb1 for grub and sdb2 for / file + user system ?
• 2450[16:23:30] <cheapie> You could try going through the installer again, making sure you select to create a new GPT partition table, a 1MB-ish biosgrub partition, and then the rest however you want.
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• 2452[16:24:05] <Agiofws> gpt ?
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• 2454[16:24:18] <Agiofws> what file system?
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• 2456[16:24:37] <Agiofws> 2 primary partitions?
• 2457[16:24:46] <cheapie> GPT should be used for all new partition tables unless you have a reason to do otherwise. MBR is obsolete.
• 2458[16:24:55] <Agiofws> sdb0 and sdb1 ?
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• 2460[16:25:05] <greycat> partition devices start with 1, not 0
• 2461[16:25:19] <Agiofws> these hosts are old so they don;t have eufi bioses installed
• 2462[16:25:42] <cheapie> For the FS type, create a very small (~1MB) partition first (/dev/sdb1), and select "Reserved BIOS boot area". Then create /dev/sdb2 for your root FS, and pick ext4.
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• 2464[16:25:59] <cheapie> You can use GPT without EFI just fine. This isn't Windows :)
• 2465[16:27:13] <linuxthefish> <Agiofws> i downloaded debian cd which has also got debian 9 installer option so i choose that option and installed it on a /dev/sdb which is a usb stick plugged into my host when i was asked to install grub onto the first hard drive i answered negatively and then i was asked where to install grub and i selected /dev/sdb
• 2466[16:27:15] <linuxthefish> are you sure you didn't install debian onto the USB stick with the installer on? if you did install it from USB check the partition table on the USB you installed from
• 2467[16:27:46] <Agiofws> is there a way to instal brub again on the usbstick with out me going through the process of installing debian for the third time?
• 2468[16:28:28] <Agiofws> what should i check?
• 2469[16:28:29] <cheapie> You can boot the installer CD in "rescue mode", which will allow you to reinstall GRUB.
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• 2471[16:31:09] <Agiofws> replaced-url
• 2472[16:31:23] <Agiofws> linuxthefish, are you sure you didn't install debian onto the USB stick with the installer on? ?
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• 2476[16:33:34] <greycat> bug#868892
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• 2478[16:33:47] <greycat> ,bug 868892
• 2479[16:33:48] <judd> Sorry, the requested bug was not found.
• 2480[16:33:55] <linuxthefish> Agiofws if you installed from a CD ignore that question lol
• 2481[16:33:56] <greycat> Must be a caching thing.
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• 2485[16:34:41] <linuxthefish> Agiofws did you do manual partitioning or guided partitioning?
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• 2495[16:38:15] <petn-randall> bug #868892 should be enough for the bot.
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• 2500[16:38:40] <greycat> I'm guessing the bot hasn't refreshed whatever it needs to refresh to pick up a bug that was only created in the last few minutes.
• 2501[16:38:45] * petn-randall pokes judd.
• 2502[16:38:47] <Circuitsoft> Hello, running Jessie (haven't migrated to Stretch yet), can I make pcf fonts visible to Fontconfig?
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• 2504[16:40:03] <linuxthefish> greycat i think tasksel shows the already installed tasks pre-selected? pressing OK for me does nothing
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• 2507[16:40:42] <greycat> I'm guessing it did an equivalent of "apt-get autoremove"
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• 2509[16:40:55] <Circuitsoft> "fc-cache -vf /path/to/fonts" shows "/path/to/fonts: caching, new cache contents: 0 fonts, 0 dirs"
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• 2512[16:41:47] <linuxthefish> "debconf-apt-progress -- apt-get -q -y -o APT::Install-Recommends=true -o APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=true -o APT::Acquire::Retries=3 install task-print-server- task-desktop- task-ssh-server-" is what it runs for me if i unselect everything
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• 2576[17:10:18] <thadtheman> How can I generate a list of packages I need to install before building another package?
• 2577[17:10:29] <greycat> apt-get build-dep pkgname
• 2578[17:12:18] <mertyildiran> I uploaded a package to mentors. It's automatically rejected by the system because of a signature issue. I fixed the issue but now I'm unable to upload it. I'm getting "Package has already been uploaded to mentors on mentors.debian.net" error/warning. What should I do?
• 2579[17:12:19] <thadtheman> greycat: No that "installs"all the packages. It does not generate a list of them. ( Well OK maybe somewhere deep in the bowels of the output. )
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• 2581[17:12:39] <greycat> I guess you could add --print-uris. What are you REALLY trying to do, though?
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• 2586[17:13:25] <petn-randall> mertyildiran: I'd ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, they'll be likely to help you.
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• 2588[17:15:09] <mertyildiran> petn-randall: irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net?
• 2589[17:15:16] <thadtheman> greycat: generate a list of packages that I need to install to build another package.
• 2590[17:15:20] <petn-randall> mertyildiran: both point to the same.
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• 2593[17:15:38] <mertyildiran> petn-randall: OK thank you.
• 2594[17:15:47] <greycat> thadtheman: why do you want to NOT install them, if you actually need them?
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• 2596[17:17:07] <thadtheman> Because I don't want to uninstall them then delete them. INstallation of packages is a entropy ridden process.
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• 2598[17:18:04] <greycat> ... secret motives. Fine, do as thou wilt.
• 2599[17:18:07] <petn-randall> !xy problem
• 2600[17:18:07] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 2601[17:18:13] <petn-randall> thadtheman: ^^^ ?
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• 2605[17:19:12] * greycat waits for a question that actually makes sense
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• 2608[17:19:57] <jelly> dpkg, tell thadtheman about mk-build-deps
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• 2624[17:25:45] <ssarah> hei hei
• 2625[17:26:19] <ssarah> is doing /etc/init.d/service_name start the same as service service_name start ?
• 2626[17:27:14] <jelly> pretty much
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• 2629[17:28:02] <jelly> sometimes the init script is different from then systemd service unit, but debian's init scripts handle that case gracefully
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• 2633[17:30:58] <petn-randall> ssarah: 'service foo start' is init-system-agnostic, so should be preferred if you use several different OSes/releases.
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• 2637[17:32:12] <ssarah> i see
• 2638[17:32:18] <ssarah> thanks petn-randall
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• 2642[17:33:49] <kallenp> Hi All, please, is here anyone, who can help me directly throught TeamViewer with nginx rewrite configuration ?
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• 2644[17:34:29] <greycat> If TeamViewer is free software and has its own channel, I'd go there. Otherwise, to #nginx.
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• 2658[17:43:53] <unborn> kallenp: greycat ; while teamviewer is great peace of software - ist not open source also have some difficulties to run on debian 8 and 9.. kallenp whatever you looking for regards the teamviewer - you should ask them eg teamviewer.com I think is the website.. as solution just go and as nginx channel or ask pros on that channel. I repeat despite teamviewer is nice peace of software - it is not open source and it should be restricted from usage in linux.
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• 2662[17:44:19] <petn-randall> kallenp: Sounds like you're looking for paid support.
• 2663[17:44:24] <unborn> kallenp: as greycat him self said....
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• 2670[17:46:22] <ssarah> what is the apt full-upgrade equivalent too, in terms of apt-get ? i usually go apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade -y &&apt-get autoremove --purge -y&&apt-get autoclean -y
• 2671[17:46:37] <greycat> full-upgrade and dist-upgrade are the same
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• 2674[17:46:54] <ssarah> i see
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• 2677[17:47:39] <ssarah> so apt has no autoremove or autoclean ?
• 2678[17:48:14] <unborn> ssarah: I never do auto remove but you should be fine with apt update && apt upgrade - y
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• 2680[17:49:16] <ssarah> hmmm
• 2681[17:49:20] <ssarah> i like cleaning the stuff
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• 2685[17:49:42] <unborn> I like reading terminal..
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• 2687[17:49:54] <badsektor> isn't there an apt-get purge?
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• 2689[17:49:59] <abrotman> that clears teh cache
• 2690[17:50:02] <abrotman> eh, no
• 2691[17:50:04] <abrotman> misread
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• 2694[17:50:16] <abrotman> apt-get clean will clear downloaded cache
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• 2697[17:51:00] <thurstylark> I'm trying to assemble an md array that was created by another system, but when I do `mdadm --assemble /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1` it errors with "mdadm: device /dev/sdb1 exists but is not an md array." How can I fix this?
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• 2700[17:51:06] <abrotman> badsektor: but I don't think that does what ssarah is asking. I think they want to have it remove packages that are no longer needed
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• 2705[17:52:15] <badsektor> abrotman: hmm ok
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• 2709[17:53:47] <unborn> abrotman: I think apt would advice to individual how to proceed - no?
• 2710[17:54:43] <abrotman> proceed on what?
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• 2712[17:55:27] <unborn> perhaps it was old times aka apt-get autoremove etc.. hack I stopped using apt-get since 8 months ago and I do not remember,,,
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• 2715[17:56:10] <unborn> apt-get for me = apt command...
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• 2725[17:58:55] <greycat> I switched back to apt-get because I like knowing what's going to happen, without garish colors that I can't read, etc. Just personal preference.
• 2726[17:59:08] <greycat> Use whatever you like.
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• 2733[18:00:36] <somiaj> I still use apt-get out of mussle memory.
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• 2748[18:08:36] <ssarah> apt is prettier
• 2749[18:08:39] <ssarah> it has that progress bar thing
• 2750[18:08:56] <ssarah> but without the cleaning part i just use it for single installs
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• 2753[18:09:14] * unborn I agree with ssarah :)
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• 2763[18:13:25] <realbadhorse> Is it alright to ask package specific help? If im problem running a certain program..
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• 2770[18:15:00] <thurstylark> why is the sshd service named ssh.service? -_-
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• 2772[18:17:02] <burkdorf> Anyone running testing know what's up with virtualbox? I recently updated to 4.11 and the upgrade didn't install a new kernel module. Now I check today and virtualbox is gone from pkg lists?
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• 2776[18:19:01] <somiaj> burkdorf: virtualbox was removed from testing during the release of stretch.
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• 2782[18:20:24] <burkdorf> somiaj: oh I see? Is it not possible to install it anymore?
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• 2784[18:20:57] <somiaj> if using testing, you should be asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, in this case I think installing from sid will work.
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• 2788[18:22:06] <burkdorf> I see, thanks
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• 2834[18:36:42] <unborn> thurstylark: would you mind to ask your question at the source eg #sshd or #ssh - thanks?
• 2835[18:39:46] <thurstylark> Does the source provide that unit?
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• 2839[18:40:24] <somiaj> dpkg -S /path/to/unit will tell you what provides it.
• 2840[18:40:24] <dpkg> Badgers ate my /path/to/unit will tell you what provides it.!
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• 2843[18:41:10] <somiaj> thurstylark: but in debian even back in the days of sysv, the init script was called ssh, not sshd, seems they are just sticking with this convention.
• 2844[18:41:16] <greycat> Debian named it ssh.service and created sshd.service as an Alias so users can type "systemctl status sshd" and still get an answer, and also to confuse you.
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• 2846[18:41:39] <thurstylark> lovely
• 2847[18:41:39] <somiaj> you might be able to find old bugs/mailing lists or a changelog entry describing this, but at this point it might just be convention in debian to name the service ssh
• 2848[18:41:47] <thurstylark> ugh
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• 2850[18:42:34] <somiaj> also check /etc/services, port 22 is for the ssh service not sshd, so seems the convention is to call the service ssh
• 2851[18:42:50] <thurstylark> wat
• 2852[18:42:59] <thurstylark> how does that make sense
• 2853[18:43:02] <petn-randall> thurstylark: Regarding your mdadm question you need to check the man page, you're providing /dev/sdb1 as name for the array.
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• 2858[18:43:38] <petn-randall> thurstylark: What is the problem? You can both type ssh and sshd for the unit, so it's catering everyone's needs.
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• 2860[18:44:07] <unborn> thurstylark: depends how you read the answers however newbie or old king would be same - so - they did explain you everything
• 2861[18:44:22] <thurstylark> petn-randall: Ahh. I didn't realize it was array member-1 member-n...
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• 2882[18:52:14] <eugenez> Hello, friends! I'm more or less experienced with linux (CentOs, Arch, Ubuntu), but I cannot for the life of me figure out debian repositories. I have Debian 9 installed (with stretch repos in sources.list) I need dokuwiki package. It won't find it. According to the internet it is in jessie and buster. What do I do?
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• 2884[18:53:16] <greycat> ,v dokuwiki
• 2885[18:53:18] <judd> Package: dokuwiki on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.0.20120125b-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.0.20120125b-2+deb7u1; jessie: 0.0.20140505.a+dfsg-4; buster: 0.0.20160626.a-2; sid: 0.0.20160626.a-2
• 2886[18:53:51] <greycat> ,checkbackport dokuwiki
• 2887[18:53:53] <judd> Backporting package dokuwiki in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
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• 2889[18:54:15] <greycat> The correct answer, then, would be to build a backport of the dokuwiki package on stretch from a buster or sid deb-src.
• 2890[18:54:19] <unborn> ......its there in synaptic..
• 2891[18:54:52] <eugenez> Thanks! I'll google that then! :)
• 2892[18:55:51] <unborn> eugenez: just do apt install docuwiki - I think it would be on.. no google spy on.
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• 2894[18:55:57] <greycat> !tell eugenez about simple sid backport
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• 2942[19:23:22] <eugenez> okay, I think I did it. Is there a good place to start to read on what I just did and why it was needed to begin with?
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• 2946[19:23:52] <eugenez> not just commands, but how it works
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• 2951[19:25:50] <greycat> If you're asking "why isn't dokuwiki in stretch", it gets complicated. We can start with:
• 2952[19:25:55] <greycat> !why isn't dokuwiki in stretch
• 2953[19:25:58] <greycat> !why isn't dokuwiki in testing
• 2954[19:25:59] <dpkg> dokuwiki is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 2956[19:26:32] <greycat> Says it was removed from testing (which stretch was, at the time) on 2017-04-04
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• 2959[19:27:09] <greycat> Then if you click the link on that page, it leads to another page, which mentions bug #854592
• 2960[19:27:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2962[19:27:47] <forcerecon> is there any way to check integrity of your system
• 2963[19:27:47] <forcerecon> I know that is vague
• 2964[19:28:00] <forcerecon> let me rephrase.. is there a log I can check to see if anything is going wrong or if there are any errors in the system
• 2965[19:28:03] <somiaj> debsum
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• 2967[19:28:19] <somiaj> sorry, debsums is a way to check the packages are good
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• 2969[19:28:33] <somiaj> there are also things like rootkit hunters/checkers that can check for things that are changing.
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• 2973[19:29:28] <somiaj> forcerecon: as for logs, there are lots of logs in /var/log, and you could isntall something like logwatch to look through your logs and send you info about it
• 2974[19:29:30] <RBoreal_Frippery> Hello, I am working on a reapberry pi trying to solve an issue where SSH will not run at startup. It is a headless machine so I can only really work on it by editing filesystem before booting. I get the message: sshd[1062]: Missing privilege separation directory: /var/run/sshd However that directory does exist.
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• 2976[19:29:45] <somiaj> RBoreal_Frippery: if you are using raspbian, you should ask raspbian
• 2977[19:29:49] <somiaj> !raspbian
• 2978[19:29:49] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2979[19:29:50] <greycat> /var/run is probably transient
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• 2981[19:30:16] <greycat> Ask #raspbian how to ensure this subdir of /var/run gets created at the appropriate time during startup.
• 2982[19:30:40] <RBoreal_Frippery> ok...
• 2983[19:30:42] <RBoreal_Frippery> thanks
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• 2994[19:36:55] <forcerecon> somiaj: thanks I will look around
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• 2999[19:38:35] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 3076[20:13:39] <cybrNaut> yikes.. replaced-url
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• 3079[20:14:55] <sonOfRa> no debian branding on it, doesn't look official at all
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• 3081[20:15:04] <cybrNaut> cool
• 3082[20:15:14] <greycat> What even possessed you to go there?
• 3083[20:15:19] <sypher> Why do we care?
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• 3085[20:15:30] <cybrNaut> i could only see that the logo was debian
• 3086[20:15:55] <cybrNaut> greycat: came up in a search for "debian fast mirror package"
• 3087[20:16:05] <cybrNaut> (on searx.me)
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• 3089[20:16:18] <greycat> !mirrors
• 3090[20:16:19] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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• 3094[20:17:07] <cybrNaut> netselect-apt is in fact the direction I went
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• 3097[20:17:37] <cybrNaut> but now i seem to recall that deb.debian.org automatically load-balances or something.. maybe i'm overcomplicating things
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• 3099[20:17:46] <greycat> It does.
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• 3101[20:18:10] <cybrNaut> okay, i'll drop netselect-apt
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• 3106[20:19:48] <greycat> Given that all of the main mirror choices are round robins or auto-thingies, I wouldn't trust a one-time speed tester like netselect-apt to give a viable long term sources.list
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• 3113[20:24:32] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 3117[20:26:04] <pankgeorg> Hi all, can some one email me - nickname at gmail - guidelines on how to update a translation? I don't know how to do it and it seems utterly weird and complicated. Any help truly appreciated.
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• 3119[20:26:40] <greycat> Oh yes, we'll all rush to send you our email addresses.
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• 3121[20:27:01] <greycat> ...
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• 3126[20:29:19] <pankgeorg> @greycat dots for me?
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• 3129[20:30:01] <greycat> Why even bother responding again, you'll just disappear again and not see the response, again.
• 3130[20:30:04] <cybrNaut> ,p onionbalance
• 3131[20:30:16] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: people are unlikely to email a stranger on IRC. replaced-url
• 3132[20:30:45] <abrotman> There are channels on OFTC for localization and internationalization
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• 3137[20:32:26] <pankgeorg> @greycat, sorry lost conn. I get an email every day because some idiot spoiled the translation. I have the choice to unsubscribe or fix it and I go for the 2nd
• 3138[20:33:31] <pankgeorg> @jmcnaught sorry but this site sukcs, at least for the /Greek
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• 3151[20:37:13] <JohnCub> question: I'm running deb9 and I uninstalled atop. Now I get emails from cron saying "Failed to restart atop.service: Unit atop.service is masked.". The subject of the mail is "Cron <root@Jessie> if [ -d "/run/systemd/system" ]; then systemctl restart atop; else /usr/share/atop/atop.daily \& ; fi". I checked crontab -e as root and there's no such entry. Any idea where I should look to find the root of
• 3152[20:37:13] <cybrNaut> ,v onionbalance
• 3153[20:37:14] <judd> Package: onionbalance on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.1.4-1~bpo8+1; buster: 0.1.6-1; sid: 0.1.6-1; stretch: 0.1.6-1; experimental: 0.1.8-2
• 3154[20:37:19] <JohnCub> this?
• 3155[20:38:43] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: perhaps the translation coordinator or the mailing list on that …/Greek page will be more helpful
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• 3160[20:40:07] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: there's also a chapter on internationalization and translations in the Debian Developer's Reference
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• 3168[20:41:57] <pankgeorg> @jmcnaught the guy gets a mail every day since 23 June and has responded nothing. I'm not sure he is alive. I will read the DDR and come back if I don't make it. Can I make a motion to become the translation coordinator?
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• 3171[20:43:00] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: it would like require a track record of contributions and positive community interactions. Did you subscribe to the mailing list?
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• 3176[20:44:01] <pankgeorg> @jmcnaught I am subscribed since forever but I only have a small track record.
• 3177[20:44:36] <pankgeorg> @jmcnaught anyway one step at a time, let's see how I go with DDR.
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• 3179[20:45:25] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: there is also a general team and mailing list, not Greek specific: replaced-url
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• 3182[20:46:10] <lifeboy> I'm trying to set up a systemd service in Jessie. The command I add in the ExecStart line work 100% from the commandline as root, but in the startup service is fails. systemctl status autossh doesn't give a reason. How do I get more detail?
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• 3189[20:47:13] <zuluz> Is Debian 9 a topic for #debian-next?
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• 3191[20:47:26] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: can you make a paste of "systemtl status autossh"?
• 3192[20:47:33] <jmcnaught> zuluz: the future is now! Debian 9 is stable
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• 3195[20:48:20] <zuluz> I am running a Debian 9 Gnome AMD live iso from the offical download page. I have successfully installed twice, but my VM continues to fail to recognize my root password
• 3196[20:48:31] <zuluz> I assure you this is not the infamous "caps lock" issue
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• 3200[20:48:57] <zuluz> Password is accepted by sudo -s, but my user is not in the sudoers file
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• 3202[20:49:04] <greycat> !stretch
• 3203[20:49:04] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
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• 3205[20:49:14] <zuluz> su gives me:
• 3206[20:49:14] <zuluz> zuluz@zuluz:/etc$ su Password: su: Authentication failure
• 3207[20:49:20] <jmcnaught> zuluz: others have reported similar problems here. We recommend installing Debian using installer images, not the live ones.
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• 3210[20:49:32] <zuluz> Thank you jmcnaught
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• 3213[20:49:37] <greycat> zuluz: this is a known issue if one installs from the "live" images
• 3214[20:49:53] <jmcnaught> #866206
• 3215[20:49:54] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3216[20:50:04] <zuluz> At least you know I'm not crazy. :D
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• 3218[20:50:16] <greycat> You may be crazy, but you're not alone.
• 3219[20:50:21] <zuluz> xD
• 3220[20:50:41] <lifeboy> jmcnaught, here it is: replaced-url
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• 3222[20:51:06] <lifeboy> Authentication is handles with keys
• 3223[20:51:22] <zuluz> welp, time to download iso and re-install
• 3224[20:51:29] <zuluz> Thanks again, o7
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• 3226[20:51:36] <lifeboy> s/handles/handled/
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• 3233[20:53:54] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: on line 24 of your paste, there's an error code 217 there
• 3234[20:55:03] <lifeboy> Ah, I think I see the error. The user=autossh in line 8 doesn't match my ssh user
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• 3239[20:57:36] <lifeboy> jmcnaught: I'm testing as root, so if I set user=root, it should work, not? It doesn't and gives the same error
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• 3241[20:57:53] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: does the autossh user exist?
• 3242[20:58:07] <lifeboy> no, I'm using 'roland'
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• 3244[20:58:16] <greycat> Well, you need to find out why it's failing, perhaps by looking up what status 217 means.
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• 3246[20:58:29] <greycat> That's unusual enough that it might be a good clue.
• 3247[20:59:03] <greycat> Also find out whether autossh logs somewhere on disk, also see whether you can increase its verbosity.
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• 3249[20:59:36] <jhutchins_wk> JohnCub: ls /etc/cron*
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• 3252[21:00:51] <elvirolo> hi
• 3253[21:01:15] <elvirolo> is it possible to force an NFS version server-side on jessie?
• 3254[21:01:30] <JohnCub> jhutchins_wk: thanks, a grep in there showed the issue.
• 3255[21:01:43] <kaboutur> they finally deleted nfs/portmapper from the rc.X scripts
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• 3257[21:01:52] <jhutchins_wk> elvirolo: Yes, you configure which protocols it allows.
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• 3259[21:02:22] <JohnCub> well, in /etc/cron.d/
• 3260[21:02:35] <elvirolo> jhutchins: thanks. I can't find how to do that
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• 3262[21:03:00] <elvirolo> NFS4 only needs port 2048 to be open, right?
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• 3271[21:07:36] <mns> anyone have an idea as to why Kotlin is not available in Debian ?
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• 3273[21:07:57] <apollo13> because noone packaged it?
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• 3277[21:09:05] <jmcnaught> ,wnpp kotlin
• 3278[21:09:07] <judd> Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found.
• 3279[21:09:12] <mns> apollo13: ahh ok I thought it might be licensing or something like that.
• 3280[21:09:17] <mns> whats wnpp ?
• 3281[21:09:25] <apollo13> mns: could also be, that also results in not packaging ;)
• 3282[21:09:33] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 3284[21:09:44] <apollo13> but I doubt they would license a compiler in a way incomptabile with debian
• 3285[21:09:45] <jmcnaught> !rfp
• 3286[21:09:45] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
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• 3298[21:16:54] <alive876> hi, i'm on a shared shell debian 9, to have a package installed, i need to make a request. Does anyone know the command for this?
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• 3303[21:18:24] <jmcnaught> alive876: are you asking which command to use to install a package? Or which command to use to request your sysadmin to install a package?
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• 3309[21:20:44] <alive876> jmcnaught command to sysop
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• 3316[21:25:02] <jmcnaught> alive876: this isn't a standard feature, you should just email your provider or use whatever method of communication they've provided
• 3317[21:25:14] <alive876> ok thanks
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• 3332[21:30:52] <lifeboy> greycat, it seems that the user=autossh is merely the user that runs the service. I have tried root and removed the user= line, but I still get the error.
• 3333[21:31:30] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: do the autossh user exist?
• 3334[21:32:13] <lifeboy> no, I have changed that like I said. The original script has that user, but I made a new one.
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• 3337[21:33:11] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: and you ran "systemctl daemon-reload" after changing the service unit file?
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• 3339[21:34:26] <lifeboy> Yes, I did that. Here's the updated paste: replaced-url
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• 3341[21:35:37] <lifeboy> As you can see, no errors, but the service isn't running
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• 3349[21:38:03] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: are there more details in "journalctl -u autossh" ?
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• 3351[21:38:50] <lifeboy> nope, only the two lines that say starting... and started...
• 3352[21:39:59] <lifeboy> I added some /var/log/syslog output to the paste
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• 3355[21:40:40] <lifeboy> there I see "ssh exited on signal 15; parent exiting" and then of course, it's not running anymore
• 3356[21:40:53] <greycat> who sent signal 15 to it?
• 3357[21:41:06] <fugue> howdy, is there a way to change the debian installer console prompt/menu into something of my preference?
• 3358[21:41:06] <greycat> (that's a "kill" command with no signal option)
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• 3362[21:45:11] <lifeboy> greycat: It must be the service, since I didn't kill it.
• 3363[21:45:28] <greycat> Or you've got something going around killing processes.
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• 3365[21:45:38] <lifeboy> or one the mysteries of systemd?
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• 3367[21:45:48] <greycat> I still think you need to crank up the verbosity of autossh and examine its logs.
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• 3370[21:46:27] <lifeboy> If I issue the same autossh command from the command line, it runs just fine
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• 3373[21:47:04] <lifeboy> I have tried setting AUTOSSH_DEBUG=1 and added -v switch to ssh, but it says nothing more :-(
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• 3379[21:49:36] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: does "journalctl -x -u autossh" provide more info?
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• 3391[21:52:58] <lifeboy> I updated the paste
• 3392[21:53:11] <lifeboy> but, no, it doesn't show more info
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• 3398[21:56:33] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: you could try setting Type=forking and PIDFile=/path/to/PID/file in autossh.service
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• 3403[21:59:03] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: also re: line 58 of your post, "port is set to 0, monitoring disabled"… i don't use autossh but there's a Debian specific note about -M in its man page, and it says to see /usr/share/doc/autossh/README.Debian for more info
• 3404[21:59:18] <lifeboy> which PID would that then be, jmcnaught?
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• 3410[21:59:55] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: whatever $AUTOSSH_PIDFILE is set to?
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• 3414[22:01:29] <lifeboy> Yes, I've seen that note for Debian. Essentially it says the -M switch overrides the env variable, which is the opposite of the upstream behaviour
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• 3420[22:03:41] <lifeboy> Isn't there an easier and less convoluted way to start something once when a server Jessy starts?
• 3421[22:04:02] <lifeboy> Like we do in FreeBSD by simply adding it to /etc/rc.conf?
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• 3423[22:04:55] <lifeboy> This is a helluva mission and all I want it to start autossh once on startup. After that it keeps my ssh tunnels going, which is what it's supposed to do
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• 3427[22:05:42] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: systemd is pretty simple. To me it looks like part of the problem is you are starting a service that launches and monitors processes (autossh) using a program that launches and monitors processes (systemd)… you could probaly do this without autossh using systemd alone
• 3428[22:06:22] <lifeboy> Aaargh! I'm trying to simplify this and systemd is not help at all...
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• 3433[22:07:03] <lifeboy> You're right though, I don't need two "keep this going" efforts.
• 3434[22:07:18] <lifeboy> :q
• 3435[22:08:04] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: look at Restart= in systemd.service(5)
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• 3438[22:09:01] <jmcnaught> you could probably make a service unit that runs ssh directly, take autossh out of the equation. though with autossh it could be something simple, like the default Type=simple in the service unit not being appropriate
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• 3442[22:11:14] <lifeboy> It seems like I can turn /etc/rc.local on quite simply again and then I'll just add it in there...?
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• 3445[22:12:44] <lifeboy> jmcnaught: restart= does look interesting though. I may just do that later.
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• 3447[22:13:09] <lifeboy> Restart=, that is
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• 3450[22:13:25] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: if rc.local works, i would guess that it's because Type=forking is set there, and would try setting that in autossh.service
• 3451[22:13:55] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: if you get really advanced, you could maybe even make a .socket unit so your ssh tunnel is socket activated
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• 3453[22:14:19] <tuH> is it recommended to use firejail?
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• 3461[22:16:28] <jmcnaught> tuH: recommended is probably a strong word, but it has a package in Debian that you can use
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• 3465[22:18:42] <tuH> jmcnaught :)
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• 3507[22:35:56] <DammitJim> I am performing apt-get upgrade
• 3508[22:36:22] <DammitJim> does the number of packages that can be updated change on logon?
• 3509[22:36:25] <DammitJim> it seems it's not changing
• 3510[22:36:49] <greycat> You have to do "apt-get update" to retrieve the new lists.
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• 3512[22:37:00] <greycat> Unless you've somehow managed to get automatic updates turned on.
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• 3514[22:37:07] <DammitJim> greycat, I did apt-get update before doing upgrade
• 3515[22:37:33] <DammitJim> oh, interesting
• 3516[22:37:37] <DammitJim> I ran apt-get upgrade
• 3517[22:37:59] <DammitJim> and it said there was no indication that it needed to install anything
• 3518[22:38:07] <DammitJim> I guess that number doesn't get updated upon logon
• 3519[22:38:20] <greycat> Logins have literally nothing to do with apt-get.
• 3520[22:39:26] <DammitJim> oh
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• 3534[22:42:36] <Agiofws> Hi
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• 3537[22:43:29] <Agiofws> Is it possible to use the net install from a CD to install Debian on a USB stick
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• 3540[22:43:54] <greycat> yes
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• 3542[22:44:38] <Agiofws> Should I have anything in mind when it asks me to partition the USB stick ?
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• 3544[22:45:01] <greycat> As far as I know, it should work just like installing onto a hard drive.
• 3545[22:45:11] <Agiofws> Or when the installer asks me to install grub?
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• 3547[22:45:51] <Agiofws> I would suggest to install grub on the usb
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• 3549[22:45:58] <Agiofws> Aswell
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• 3551[22:47:29] <Agiofws> Greycat I've tried this method with with debians live CD and the USB won't boot so now I'm going to try the netinstall
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• 3553[22:47:42] <greycat> Stop trying to use live CDs for installations.
• 3554[22:47:53] <Agiofws> Oh ok...
• 3555[22:48:11] <Agiofws> Why? If I may Ask?
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• 3557[22:48:42] <greycat> Because they're broken, and have never worked right for years.
• 3558[22:48:54] <Agiofws> Lol
• 3559[22:48:59] <greycat> bug #866206 for example
• 3560[22:49:00] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3563[22:50:08] <Agiofws> Just works with sudo with the live version of Debian
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• 3565[22:50:41] <greycat> Nobody knows what other bugs there may be. There has been very little testing of them.
• 3566[22:50:58] <greycat> Apparently all the people who test testing know to use a netinst (or upgrade in place).
• 3567[22:51:17] <greycat> Nobody tests the live installs until the end user swarm comes, post release.
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• 3572[22:53:39] <barnex> Hi, I'm an idiot.
• 3573[22:53:59] <barnex> Removed /etc/init.d/nginx and I want it back, tried purge and install, no avail.
• 3574[22:54:11] <jmcnaught> !confmiss
• 3575[22:54:11] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
• 3576[22:54:20] <jmcnaught> barnex: ^^
• 3577[22:54:25] <greycat> purging should work as long as you purged the right package
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• 3579[22:54:26] <barnex> jmcnaught: thanks
• 3580[22:54:36] <greycat> ,file init.d/nginx
• 3581[22:54:40] <judd> Search for init.d/nginx in stretch/amd64: nginx-common: etc/init.d/nginx
• 3582[22:54:49] <greycat> note, it's in -common not in nginx
• 3583[22:55:06] <barnex> yeah, thanks!
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• 3618[23:10:58] <barraese> Hello.
• 3619[23:11:04] <barraese> I'm unable to boot from an Debian 9 (i386) Netinst USB stick, a message reads "not a bootable disk".
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• 3621[23:11:10] <barraese> I tried different USB sticks and writing the iso image with cp and dd and I had no luck with neither.
• 3622[23:11:56] <barraese> I sucessfuly booted from a Debian 8 stick and from a Fedora stick, so I'm clueless to why I have problems with Debian 9 Netinst.
• 3623[23:12:48] <greycat> verified the download is intact, correct md5 or whatever?
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• 3625[23:13:11] <barraese> Yes, I have.
• 3626[23:13:37] <barraese> The iso is in perfect conditions.
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• 3628[23:14:17] <barraese> It seems there's a bug report similar to what I'm experiencing: replaced-url
• 3629[23:14:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3631[23:16:09] <barraese> Yes, it sounds like the problem I'm having. Although in my case I can't even boot.
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• 3633[23:16:59] <greycat> It actually sounds like a rather different issue to me, at first glance.
• 3634[23:17:37] <greycat> But I have no explanation for yours, beyond "corrupted download" or "didn't copy to the USB device correctly" or "device is physically failing" or "computer is not booting from the device you think it is"
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• 3636[23:19:22] <barraese> Right. The explanation that sounds more plausible (besides some bug) for me is the "didn't copy to the USB device correctly".
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• 3649[23:24:25] <savumies> when I run dpkg-query -L for some packages I get 'Package '<package>' does not contain any files (!)'
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• 3655[23:25:28] <savumies> After upgrading debian from Jessie Some python apps are looking for libs that are not there anymore and somehow they seem to be registered somewhere
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• 3658[23:26:48] <ledufakademy> hello
• 3659[23:27:23] <ledufakademy> how to extract all rar's files into recursive subfolders
• 3660[23:27:25] <ledufakademy> ?.
• 3661[23:27:50] <sypher> ledufakademy: assuming you're using 'unrar,' 'man unrar' will have that answer.
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• 3663[23:28:07] <ledufakademy> ok ! thank you for your huge help !
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• 3666[23:29:12] <jmcnaught> savumies: which packages? are they installed?
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• 3671[23:30:20] <ledufakademy> unrar e -r *.rar
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• 3679[23:33:22] <savumies> jmcnaught: one of them is librrd4
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• 3684[23:34:52] <savumies> not installed the one installed is librrd8 and python app is looking for librrd.so.4 and dpkg-query shows entry for librrd4
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• 3692[23:35:29] <jmcnaught> savumies: can you show the output you're talking about?
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• 3695[23:36:54] <jmcnaught> savumies: you may need to upgrade your application to use the newer version of this library, or continue using jessie until that is possible
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• 3708[23:39:47] <savumies> import rrdtool
• 3709[23:39:56] <savumies> ImportError: librrd.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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• 3720[23:42:29] <savumies> so while writing here it occured to me that it could be related to the app being in a virtualenv.. instaled the virtualenv again and no more issues. It finds the new libs now.. Anyway.. didn't know this could happen. thanks for feeding my thoughts. hhe
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• 3723[23:43:06] <rpifan> i want to install debian but everytime i use the installer my screen gets all garbled up. ive tried to use nomodeset on grub inline and set teh vga resolution but no luck help me pleas
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• 3734[23:48:19] <jmcnaught> rpifan: what version of Debian are you trying to install, and which installer image are you using? It's the installer itself that gets distorted? Anything you can tell us about the hardware (like, is it a raspberry pi?)
• 3735[23:49:17] <rpifan> im downloaded the latest version from the website, its an hp probook 4540s
• 3736[23:49:21] <rpifan> i know this is a general issue of grub
• 3737[23:49:27] <rpifan> because even when i used arch the same thing would happen
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• 3739[23:49:34] <rpifan> but the ubuntu and suse installers have no issues
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• 3745[23:52:07] <sypher> rpifan: Exactly what are you entering in grub?
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• 3748[23:53:27] <rpifan> well if i use the plain installler with no changes just go into install the screen is screwed up, if i use grub to add nomodeset the screen is screwed up if i use the vga option its all screwed up, i think tis something with setiing the right resolution
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• 3750[23:53:50] <sypher> rpifan: Are you typing "the vga option" exactly into grub? I suspect not, so what EXACTLY are you entering?
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• 3753[23:55:05] <jmcnaught> rpifan: also does it make a difference if you use the graphical or text mode installer?
• 3754[23:55:09] <rpifan> ive tried it several ways using different guides online. yes i use video=vga1026x860x60
• 3755[23:55:15] <rpifan> nop they are both equally bad
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• 3757[23:55:33] <sypher> rpifan: Try vga=791.
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• 3759[23:55:51] <rpifan> yes i tried that
• 3760[23:56:03] <sypher> rpifan: You didn't say that when I asked you exactly what you entered.
• 3761[23:56:30] <rpifan> i tried several different version of vga= and nomodeset. I dont just show up and ask question whatout having tried everythign i could
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• 3767[23:58:48] <rpifan> im sorry but its true, there must be something else to try besides specificing the vga line on their directly. I even tried to boot from the grub console directly and othing
• 3768[23:58:58] <rpifan> the actual live image boots fine
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• 3770[23:59:13] <rpifan> but you can see where it picks up the video driver and goes from garbbled to normal as it boots up
• 3771[23:59:24] <rpifan> something is stopping the installer from picking up the right video rdriver
• 3772[23:59:38] <sypher> I have asked you repeatedly to tell us EXACTLY what you've already tried. You have repeatedly not answered this question. We're not going to guess what you've already tried. Have fun.
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