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0[00:00:27] <nvz> cusco: xfce and lxde are probably the
lightest on memory for complete DEs but you can always mix/match and
trim as necessary
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4[00:00:49] <somiaj> cusco: lxde is still the lightest desktop
enivorment, if you want lighter you'll have to use a simple wm
and configure/install the software you want to use with it.
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5[00:01:11] <cusco> right.. so the lightest would be package
lxde-session ?
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7[00:01:14] <somiaj> Guest17135: I like rsync
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12[00:01:43] <nvz> cusco: thats what makes a full DE so heafty
is things like the session manager which aren't really
necessary
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13[00:01:45] <thurstylark> What's a good gui-based RDP
client in the repos?
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15[00:01:57] <cusco> lxde-core then?
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19[00:02:14] <nvz> cusco: if you want to really slim down you
should start from the ground up and build yourself a session with
tools you like and need
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20[00:02:35] <somiaj> cusco: lxde-core could be a good place to
start if you want to use lxde
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23[00:02:50] <cusco> k I guess..
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25[00:02:52] <cusco> thank you both
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26[00:02:57] <somiaj> cusco: window managers (openbox is fairly
popular) can be even lighter
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29[00:03:50] <nvz> yes my advice is to start with a wm you
like, and then add from there if you need/want desktop icons and a
panel as well, try out different ones to see how it affects your
performance and if they offer the features you're looking for
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32[00:05:19] <nvz> cusco: all you need to do is put these items
in your ~/.xsession file and use "default" as your login
session and it'll start all the items you list in .xsession you
want to put & at the end of each line to run them in the
background except for your wm which you list last will be the main
process that when you exit the wm, the session ends
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33[00:05:42] <teraflops> thurstylark: remmina +
remmina-plugin-rdp ?
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34[00:05:47] <cusco> hmm
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39[00:06:56] <Cobalt> somiaj:
replaced-url
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40[00:07:03] <nvz> cusco: the window manager is your core
component and the only one you really absolutely need because its
what allows you to stack and move windows around, and most all of
them have some sort of menu integrated to launch apps from
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41[00:07:27] <nvz> cusco: everything else is optional to suit
your personal preference and convenience
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42[00:08:47] <nvz> cusco: you can also save a lot of resources
by using a very light DM like lightdm if you want a graphical login,
or nodm if you just want something that will log you in
automatically
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44[00:09:05] <somiaj> cusco: I personally use startx and skip
the whole dm part.
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47[00:13:00] <fearnothing> greetings folks, anyone think they
might be able to help figure out why an rsyslog config isn't
working correctly?
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48[00:13:23] <cusco> somiaj: I did that too in the past
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49[00:13:25] <fearnothing> specifically, this one:
replaced-url
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50[00:13:36] <cusco> nvz: that seems fine but a lot of
personalizing and customizing
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51[00:13:37] <fearnothing> not even the teensiest syn
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52[00:13:43] <cusco> I'mg going to try lxde-core then
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54[00:14:37] <tuH> Hi! I'm trying to use pass as a
password manager. I messed it up a bit and had to do a reinstall.
Now, whenever I first login to the system I am required to enter my
key in order to see the contents, but then I can just keep getting
passwords without entering a key. How do I lock it?
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57[00:15:05] <nvz> cusco: suit yourself. the DEs are by nature
bloated. This is why there were several wms that were designed to
include panels and desktop drawing to eliminate the need for extra
components
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61[00:17:45] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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63[00:19:13] <nvz> raynold: fine comment for #debian-offtopic
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65[00:19:45] <teraflops> cusco: you better try several and make
a better idea by using them
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67[00:20:15] <fearnothing> nobody familiar with rsyslog?
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70[00:21:13] <somiaj> tuH: you may need to look for specific
help/support on that software. I use keepassx, it is cross platform
and automatically locks.
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71[00:21:33] <somiaj> tuH: you can probably lock pass, but if
you don't get any response here, look for support more specific
to that software.
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73[00:22:15] <tuH> somiaj, I think maybe I "figured"
it out, it is handled by gpg-agent apparantly. And you can set
timers there, but I don't know if its using ttl or ttl-ssh (or
frankly if it is any of those .P
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102[00:30:53] <Guest17135> anyone can help me for br0
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103[00:31:10] <UndeadLeech> So I'm currently building
something with docker and getting the error `/usr/bin/ld: cannot
find -lxcb-randr`. I've tried installing x11-xserver-utils and
libxcb-randr0 but neither of those helped. Does someone know which
dependency is required for this?
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105[00:32:18] <nvz> UndeadLeech: those packages you mentioned
are binary packages, you need the dev packages containing headers to
satisfy a build dependencyy
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106[00:32:43] <UndeadLeech> Oh okay. Do you happen to know which
dev package exactly I would need?
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109[00:33:22] <nvz> UndeadLeech: probably that package you
mentioned with -dev on the end like libxcb-randr0-dev but I'm
not certain
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111[00:33:57] <nvz> UndeadLeech: that is however a very educated
guess based on experience
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114[00:34:11] <UndeadLeech> It might also be libxrandr-dev.
I'll try those two and then remove one if it works. Thanks for
the help!
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115[00:34:14] <cusco> ok nvz the time came, and i'm going
to start with openbox .. lets see what happens
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116[00:34:21] <cusco> back in the day i used ion2
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117[00:34:25] <nvz> UndeadLeech: you can check
packages.debian.org
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121[00:35:01] <nvz> cusco: heh. I guess you just tried it on
your old box and it was too much?
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123[00:35:54] <tuH> why does imagemagic come preinstalled on
debian?
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127[00:36:47] <nvz> cusco: you gotta understand its all those
extra backends like the session manager, the settings daemons and
such that really bloat your DEs, those aren't crucial
components for a user interface, they're just there to
facilitate more simplified configuration which really how often do
you change settings that you need to simplify it vs knowing how to
change stuff manually?
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129[00:37:43] <nvz> cusco: if you like XFCE or LXDE's panel
you can try starting those along with a wm of your choice and see
how that compares to using all those other components
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133[00:39:22] <nvz> cusco: simple way to test this stuff is to
just startx/xinit with an empty .xsession and it'll start a
terminal, you run your wm and components from that terminal just to
test them, checking htop or some decent process monitor, and when
you find something both you and your hardware can live with, you
write that list of apps into your .xsession file to save it
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137[00:42:58] <cusco> ok..
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140[00:43:19] <cusco> I just really want a browser and a
terminal
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141[00:43:27] <nvz> cusco: trust me I'm using an orangepi
with 512mb ram as my main machine, I know how painful it can be to
have extra bloat. I use a wm only. I like sawfish cause I'm
oldschool, but I tested out the *boxes and fluxbox was the lightest
on memory, blackbox I believe was the heaviest if I recall correctly
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142[00:43:32] <cusco> Ill try appending lxde-panel to openbox
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143[00:44:06] <cusco> i remember fluxbox too yea
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145[00:45:06] <nvz> yeah fluxbox is a nice little wm I never
really saw much difference in user interface between flux and
blackbox but there is a noticible difference in performance
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147[00:46:22] <cusco> what terminal emulatr do you use?
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148[00:46:29] <cusco> something better than xterm?
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149[00:46:38] <nvz> cusco: the web browser is whats really
hurting you.. I know that too from experience on this pi.. web
browsers are very bloated these days
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153[00:47:03] <cusco> im aware but i need a bloated browser :|
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154[00:47:18] <nvz> cusco: I like mate/gnomes terminal for ease
of config with a GUI but they start up various backends, aterm is
light but has to be customized by command line options or config
files
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155[00:47:46] <cusco> won't gnome-terminal bog this down?
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156[00:47:56] <nvz> cusco: I've been using xombrero when I
can, its a bit rough around the edges but its really light and
supports modern JS and stuff
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157[00:48:14] <nvz> cusco: yes it'll fire up gvfsd and such
backends
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159[00:48:52] <cusco> aterm it is then
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160[00:48:56] <nvz> cusco: you gotta stick with xterm, aterm,
stuff like that if you don't want additional backends
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163[00:49:39] <nvz> cusco: I like aterm because it supports
advanced features like color, font settings, pseudo transparency,
etc but it just dont have the point and click profile configuration
mate/gnome terminal have
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164[00:50:14] <cusco> k I'll have to look up how to set it
dark... irssi is awful here heh
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165[00:50:20] <nvz> cusco: I normally would just setup a
keybinding in sawfish or start it with my xsession with the options
I want
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166[00:50:21] <raid_trouble> Hey, everyone. I'm facing an
issue with soft raid1 devices after upgrading debian 7 up to debian
9 (only upgrades, not dist-upgrades).
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167[00:50:45] <cusco> what is sawfish
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168[00:50:46] <fearnothing> anyone feel like having a bash at an
rsyslog issue?
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169[00:50:50] <raid_trouble> It seems my raid devices UUIDs went
crazy. Here's some info I expect to be useful:
replaced-url
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170[00:51:04] <nvz> cusco: sawfish was the default wm shipped
with gnome back in the day
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171[00:51:28] <cusco> aw.. right..
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172[00:51:32] <fearnothing> I've had it working with a
legacy .conf file, and I've been given an example raynerscript
one, which is not working, and I don't know why.
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174[00:52:10] <nvz> cusco: its really light and it has a ui that
can configure things like window matchers to control how windows are
displayed and key bindings, etc. its very powerful and easy to
configure graphically. thats why I still like it, no other wm offers
all its features with a graphical config with such a low footprint
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175[00:52:28] <cusco> I don't think I want one
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177[00:52:53] <cusco> xombrero you say..
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180[00:53:44] <raid_trouble> If a boot the host with a debian 9
liveCD, I'm able to mount the soft raid devices and all data is
there. During boot, the root partition isn't mounted, the
system says it's missing (maybe due to the changed UUID). If
someone could help, I'd appreciate very much.
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181[00:53:53] <nvz> cusco: it leaves much to be desired in user
interface but its backend is modern so it can handle displaying
websites normally and does so with little bloat. Firefox is still
the best option for a good interface and plugins
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182[00:54:39] <cusco> thank you nvz
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183[00:54:45] <nvz> cusco: firefox can be sped up by disabling
certain caching features and if you have any ram to spare, setting
up zram and putting its databases in ram
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185[00:55:21] <cusco> k seems cool
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189[00:55:54] <nvz> cusco: zram is nice, if you can spare a
little ram, it can double or tripple your ram by setting up a
compressed portion.. you just gotta leave enough actual ram to
handle disk caching and stuff to avoid a performance hit
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195[00:57:11] <cusco> can't login at google with xombrero
:/
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196[00:57:22] <nvz> raid_trouble: then it sounds like you need
to figure out the UUID from the live cd and make sure the correct
UUID is in the bootloader's root= kernel commandline and in the
/etc/fstab
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201[00:57:47] <nvz> cusco: you mean google homepage?
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203[00:58:21] <cusco> yes, or gmail
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206[00:58:44] <raid_trouble> I don't know it is useful, but
if booting in quiet mode, I get a message: udevd[50]:
IMPORT{builtin}: 'blkid' unknown
/lib/udev/rules.d/63-md-raid-arrays-rules:29
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212[01:01:14] <nvz> cusco: hmm midori doesn't work either..
I noticed google changed its sign in to that "lookup your
account" thing.. that doesn't make sense why they did that
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214[01:01:55] <nvz> cusco: thats very weird because even links2
can handle this
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215[01:02:15] <nvz> and midori and xombrero use modern backends
and have JS
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217[01:02:36] <cusco> I think its the javascript.. when I write
my account name and click next it forwards me to somewhere else
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220[01:03:37] <nvz> cusco: no wait, midori is working with
google signin
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221[01:05:08] <nvz> cusco: and unlike xombrero midori has some
more advanced "chrome", it has a search bar and bookmarks
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222[01:05:22] <cusco> k.. lets try it
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223[01:05:55] <cusco> lots of gnome packages
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228[01:06:55] <somiaj> in terms of browsers only chromium and
firefox get security updates in debian, so things like midori, which
can be nice, won't get security updates if that is important to
you.
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231[01:07:38] <nvz> yeah thats why I mentioned xombrero first,
its the slimmest thing I knew of with modern webkit js, css,
security, etc features at least on the backend
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233[01:08:00] <nvz> its a horrible frontend
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234[01:08:02] <tuH> Where is the gpg-agent config file? I
can't seem to find it.
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236[01:08:29] <somiaj> well webkit doesn't get seucirty
upatches in debian either, so though lightweight browers exist, just
be careful what you use them for in debian.
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239[01:09:22] <tuH> using find I cannot find anything
named-gpg.conf
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240[01:09:49] <nvz> tuH: I don't mean to be a smartass but
seriously do you have much experience with the linux manual pages?
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243[01:10:22] <nvz> tuH: the "files" section is always
at the end of the manpage, and gpg-agent has such a section that
describes its files in detail
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244[01:10:25] <tuH> nvz, I've tried to read and it's
not located in /.gnupg
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246[01:10:36] <tuH> as it states on gnupg.org
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247[01:10:58] <nvz> t says gpg-agent.conf
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249[01:11:40] <nvz> and this may also surprise you but its
against debian policy for a package to touch your homedir, which
means you have to make your own config files in your homedir
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250[01:11:47] <tuH> and I've done a sudo find / -name
"*gpg-agent.conf" and found nothing, also
"*gpg*agent*" and still found nothing
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253[01:12:12] <tuH> aha, nvz and you are right. I've used
linux for a week now.
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254[01:12:37] <nvz> it also mentions in the files section of the
manpage about the skeleton file which is typically what a program
uses as a template for new config files
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256[01:13:30] <nvz> I know next to nothing about this gpg-agent
thing but I know a thing or two about debian and manpages..... cause
I've been using debian since 2003 :P
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257[01:14:06] <tuH> nvz, I really like it so far, but everything
is a bit daunting :P
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259[01:14:53] <nvz> the linux manual pages are great because
they are so uniform in their design, I knew exactly where to look
for such an issue, the files section detailing files used by a
program is always near the bottom as are examples and other related
commands
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261[01:15:20] <nvz> it would be good to familiarize yourself
with the available documentation and tools for reading it
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267[01:16:56] <nvz> this is all not to say that all manpages are
helpful.. some of them are vague or convoluted.. heh.. but their
layout is almost always uniform
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268[01:17:04] <tuH> nvz if I create the folder and config file
for it, and only state some of the options, will the rest go per
default?
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269[01:17:25] <tuH> nvz, I have read some manpages which just
makes me wanna bang my head in the wall :P
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270[01:18:23] <nvz> tuH: again I don't know crap about this
command, but thats typically how config files work, having written
programs which use config files, thats generally how it goes you set
the options in the config parser and assign defaults and if the
options arent in the config file the defaults are used
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271[01:18:41] <tuH> Thanks :)
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273[01:19:20] <nvz> tuH: I know that feeling, I nearly pulled my
scalp off the first time I read the sudoers manpage
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275[01:19:46] <nvz> tuH: and these systemd manpages confuse the
shit out of me even given my experience
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281[01:21:33] <nvz> raid_trouble: your issue hasn't gotten
any attention really you should probably run with my suggestions or
provide more detailed questioning if you still need help
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282[01:22:19] <nvz> incorrect uuid stuff is pretty
straighforward, you just need to verify that the bootloader and
fstab reflect the correct uuid
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285[01:24:16] <raid_trouble> nvz: Sorry, I didn't see your
messages. I'm not used to this web chat.
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286[01:24:32] <raid_trouble> nvz: Only saw it now. I'll
give it a try
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287[01:24:39] <nvz> raid_trouble: yes its not ideal but it works
in a pinch
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288[01:25:01] <raid_trouble> nvz: I suppose I should re-check
the UUIDs on fstab too, right?
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289[01:25:26] <nvz> raid_trouble: absolutely when it comes to
rootfs, you need to make sure the correct UUID is in both the
bootloader and the fstab
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291[01:25:35] <rlange> tuH: which desktop environment are you
using? I ask because in some desktops (cough Gnome) the
desktop's session manager usurps gpg-agent, which means that
even when you get your .gnupg/gpg-agent.conf written properly, it
won't work as expected
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292[01:25:38] <Anthropohedron> I fully expect that this is a
terrible idea, but is it possible to overlay a directory with a bind
mount? Basically, I want to be able to boot my machine without
decrypting its encrypted RAID, then later decrypt, mount some
filesystems, and overlay a directory from one of those filesystems
onto /etc
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294[01:25:55] <DevilTiger_> can someone help me with exim4
before i rip my last hairs out
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295[01:26:41] <raid_trouble> nvz: Just one more question, if you
don't mind. In the pastebin I sent (replaced-url
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296[01:26:47] <nvz> Anthropohedron: thats what bind mounting is
for.. it seems a little rubish sure, but it sounds like it achieves
your goal. It can be a bit messy when you're talking having two
sets of config files you need to be careful with that
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297[01:27:04] <tuH> nvz, rlange I made it work. I created the
gpg-agent.conf file, typed in the dafault-cache-ttl 10, and then
reloaded the gpg-agent :) (I'm on Stretch KDE)
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298[01:27:23] <nvz> DevilTiger_: probably, and more than likely
not me, but first you have to ask a specific question
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299[01:27:40] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Right, I'm trying to
determine if I can bind *and* overlay.
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301[01:28:00] <nvz> Anthropohedron: I'm not sure what you
mean by overlay
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304[01:28:15] <DevilTiger_> i can't recieve mail. i think
its because exim can't receive mail on port 25. i have tried
editing exim4 to resolve this and am either too much of an idiot to
do that or its not working
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305[01:28:30] <nvz> Anthropohedron: you want to merge whats in
the dir with whats in the fs you're binding?
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306[01:28:46] <Anthropohedron> Right.
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307[01:29:11] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: are you sure it is exim and
not your ISP, some ISP's block port 25
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308[01:29:11] <nvz> Anthropohedron: yeah bind mounting
doesn't work like that, what you want then in that case is to
put symlinks in place to where you will mount the fs
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310[01:29:49] <DevilTiger_> which ISP? the ISP for the server or
the client
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313[01:30:07] <DevilTiger_> the servers ISP is linode. as far as
i'm aware this is not the case.
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314[01:30:10] <nvz> Anthropohedron: I do something similar with
my transmission-daemon so I can keep different kinds of torrents
seperate and I can mount/unmount various fs to the download dir.. I
just put symlinks in transmission daemon's default location to
where I will be mounting the fs
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317[01:30:47] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: ahh this is a vps server,
maybe there is a firewall you need to configure with linnode to open
port 25
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319[01:31:17] <nvz> Anthropohedron: but again you need to be
careful and make sure those files that arent mounted wont be
accessed while the symlinks are pointing to an unmounted location
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320[01:31:17] <DevilTiger_> checked their documentation.
don't see that anywhere. iptables has 25 open. can not telnet
to 25 though.
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321[01:31:21] <plbyrdWork> I'm having a problem in GNURoot
Debian where almost everything I try to run says permission denied
despite being set as 777 and running as root.
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322[01:31:28] <plbyrdWork> Anyone have any ideas?
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323[01:32:58] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: I haven't used linnode,
I do know with aws I had to use one of their tools to open up the
port in their firewall. I would attempt thigns locally with exim to
rule out linnode is in the way.
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325[01:33:14] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: also have you tried
dpkg-reconfigure exim4 (make sure it is configured to be an internet
server)
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326[01:33:21] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Could I mount the same
filesystem in two places, overlaying /etc (maybe read-only?) and
normally somewhere else, and not bother with a bind mount?
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327[01:33:28] <nvz> Anthropohedron: otherwise you'd need to
script something if its more complicated than all that. In my
transmission case I needed only link ../.torrents and ../.resume
which were subdirs so it was simple. if you need dynamically
created/changing files to be linked you need a script
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328[01:34:03] <nvz> Anthropohedron: you can absolutely mount
something in multiple places, but regardless of if its bind or not,
mounting to a dir covers up whats in that dir
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329[01:34:37] <DevilTiger_> somiaj: i know for a fact linode is
not blocking 25 after just searching it. i have attempted
dpkg-reconfigure but it was configured by vestacp's install.sh
script, therefore the rest of the config options after the first one
to be an internet sever i have no idea what to put. tried guessing
and when it got to where to put mail there is no option for a custom
location (vesta stores mail in /home/user/mail/box@domain.com/
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331[01:35:33] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Wait, what about overlay,
though?
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332[01:35:47] <nvz> Anthropohedron: if there is such a thing as
overlay I've never heard of it
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333[01:35:50] <somiaj> I do not know vestacp's install.sh
script, nore would sucha thing be supported here. anyways, you may
have to read some documentation on configuring exim4 if this script
failed to do it.
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334[01:35:57] <DevilTiger_> netstat -ltn shows "tcp 0 0
0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN" for 25. shouldnt that be a WAN ip
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335[01:36:26] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Oh, there absolutely is. I
just don't understand it well.
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336[01:36:31] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: 0.0.0.0 is generic for all
ip's
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337[01:36:45] <DevilTiger_> ok. guess i give up then
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338[01:36:59] <nvz> Anthropohedron: if its come out in the last
3 years I don't know about it, I'd been off-grid
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339[01:37:06] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: on your system it is
correctly listening on port 25, what does telnet localhost 25 do?
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340[01:37:33] <DevilTiger_> 6+ hours on trying to receive mail
and have nothing to show for it. 220 xxxxx.com ESMTP Exim 4.84_2
Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:37:15 +0000
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341[01:37:35] <somiaj> if you don't have telnet installed,
I'd suggest just isntalling netcat instead and using that.
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342[01:37:50] <DevilTiger_> trying to telnet from WAN times out
though.
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343[01:37:53] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: seems like on the system the
mailserver is running just fine.
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344[01:38:13] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: and this is doing it from
the machien it works just fine with localhost, have you checked
iptables?
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345[01:38:16] <nvz> Anthropohedron: yes thats new, and quite
interesting actually
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347[01:38:31] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: what is the output if
iptables -L
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348[01:39:28] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: to me it looks like a
firewall issue, either on the server's firewall or linenodes
firewall. If 'telnet wanip 25' doens't work on the
machien but local host does, I would check your iptables setup
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349[01:39:35] <nvz> Anthropohedron: so are you talking about
manually bringing up this raid/encrypted setup or whatever it is, or
having it just come up late in boot?
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351[01:40:03] <DevilTiger_>
replaced-url
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352[01:40:22] <nvz> Anthropohedron: are you looking to have
fstab entries that are not auto or what?
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356[01:41:19] <Anthropohedron> nvz: Manually. I want the system
to boot up enough to do a couple of things (HTTP proxy and ssh,
mainly), and be able to tell systemd to launch another target that
requires the password for the encrypted volumes.
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357[01:41:55] <nvz> Anthropohedron: from what I'm gathering
this overlay works like bind, it requires the fs to be mounted
already then bound but it does so in a way that doesn't squash
the mountpoint, but merges the data
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361[01:43:21] <somiaj> DevilTiger_: yea default INPUT policy is
to DROP and I don't see antying that says it should accept smtp
connecntions from the outside world.
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362[01:43:30] <nvz> Anthropohedron: so then in that case you
could just merge a dir from the encrypted volume with an existing
dir
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363[01:43:32] <Anthropohedron> I believe that's the case.
It'll be interesting to mess with.
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364[01:43:52] <Anthropohedron> I have a brand new (to me) server
with a shiny new install of stretch on it.
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365[01:44:08] <Anthropohedron> I have grand designs, and minimal
time to spend on them.
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366[01:44:22] <nvz> Anthropohedron: yes.. I don't see any
need for it right now, but it was definately interesting to learn
about. I am being blind sided with all kinds of changes I missed out
on
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369[01:45:27] <nvz> I need to roll a kernel sometime in the near
future and get a better look at what all has changed
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370[01:45:46] <DevilTiger_> would this help? "iptables -A
INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT"
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371[01:46:21] <Anthropohedron> nvz: The world keeps moving!
Overlay has been around to some extent for ages, though. Lots of
embedded Linux systems (e.g. OpenWRT) have been using an overlay for
configuration stuff that doesn't actually modify the system
image.
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376[01:49:01] <nvz> Anthropohedron: this was only added in the
linux kernel in 2014 I missed out on literally all of 2014,15,16 and
even much of 2013 and 2017 so..
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377[01:49:41] <nvz> I'm operating on 10 years of experience
from 03-13 with a large gap in the more recent advances
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384[01:52:42] <DevilTiger_> i give up
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385[01:52:47] <DevilTiger_> back to ubuntu
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390[01:55:32] <prussian> ?
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393[01:56:31] <DevilTiger_> still cant telnet to 25 from the
outside
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403[02:00:57] <mutante> DevilTiger_: fail2ban locked you out?
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406[02:01:12] <DevilTiger_> not that i'm aware of
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414[02:04:09] <mutante> DevilTiger_: i would try this: watch
'iptables -vL' to show the counters (of dropped packages)
and then, in another window, try to connect to 25 again and see if
you can confirm iptables really drops them and counters go up or
not. also, tail -f logfiles of fail2ban while trying it again ..
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415[02:04:11] <prussian> DevilTiger_: uh 25 is probably blocked
by your ISP
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416[02:04:34] <prussian> literally where is outside
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417[02:04:53] <rootermanikd> hii
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418[02:05:48] <rootermanikd> Good morning
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420[02:06:44] <DevilTiger_> i think you're right. using a
3rd party tool to check 25 it seems like it was able to connect.
still unable to receive mail
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422[02:07:23] <_Strix_> hji
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423[02:08:14] <DevilTiger_> nevermind, read the results wrong.
still unable to connect to 25
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424[02:08:17] <_Strix_> list
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427[02:08:31] <prussian> very likely. virtually every resnet
blocks inbound/outbound 25
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428[02:08:57] <DevilTiger_> this is a VPS server
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429[02:09:06] <DevilTiger_> hosted on linode who does not, in
any way, block 25
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437[02:11:57] <DevilTiger_> randomly started working. thanks for
all the help.
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441[02:12:50] <prussian> ok cool
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442[02:15:14] <DevilTiger_> now not working again
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444[02:16:49] <Robby> anyone that is following kernel
development and commits more closely? I'm trying to find the
commit where the default value of the parameter ip_pkt_list_tot of
the xt_recent.ko kernel module got changed from 20 to 0
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446[02:17:01] <Robby> its default value used to be 20 in Debian
8
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448[02:17:13] <Robby> and its now 0 in Debian 9
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449[02:17:52] <Robby> I can't really find a page that
allows me to search *commits*
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450[02:19:56] <prussian> DevilTiger_: lol? debian stretch? what
server
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453[02:20:02] <prussian> postfix, exim, what
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455[02:20:34] <prussian> you sure it's an iptables problem?
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457[02:21:35] <DevilTiger_> i'm thinking iptables is just
throwing a fit from me using this mxtester to try and verify SMTP is
working. debian 8, exim4, dovecot, iptables, fail2ban, roundcube. i
think a combination of forgetting to setup rDNS and DKIM and bombing
25 with tests was the issue. i'm able to send and recieve mail
now but that tester fails 2/3 times
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465[02:23:34] <DevilTiger_> i shouldn't play with things i
don't understand
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467[02:24:48] <Bsadowski1> Hmm, sypher, you there? I tried what
was suggested to do in the PM I got from dpkg, but it does not seem
to work.
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472[02:26:53] <sypher> What did I miss?
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480[02:31:28] <prussian> can you at least receive local mail?
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483[02:32:54] <DevilTiger_> yes. and can now receive from gmail
and my rackspace server. client complains can't receive
outgoing to his hotmail though
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484[02:33:04] <DevilTiger_> wondering if its just the servers
standing with hotmail
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487[02:34:02] <Robby> to answer my earlier question, I finally
did find it:
replaced-url
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488[02:34:31] <Robby> so yay, no more need for a modprobe.d
config file
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490[02:35:04] <prussian> do you get a bounce/reject?
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491[02:35:24] <plbyrdWork> I'm having a problem in GNURoot
Debian where almost everything I try to run says permission denied
despite being set as 777 and running as root.
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493[02:35:29] <prussian> hotmail is likely some exchange server
which hates every email server ever
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494[02:36:08] <DevilTiger_> no bounce or reject. yeah i'm
not suicidal, i would never touch IIS/exchance
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495[02:36:12] <DevilTiger_> exchange
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499[02:38:50] <prussian> no. I mean MS Exchange sends mail form
pretty much any server without a reputation to some blackhole.
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503[02:43:21] <DevilTiger_> how does one gain rep
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504[02:44:03] <dTal> say nice things about Bill Gates in public
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506[02:45:30] <DevilTiger_> wasn't the hotmail stack on
linux for a while?
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507[02:46:27] <sypher> Hotmail is currently run on the Office
365 backend, if that helps this discussion.
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508[02:46:59] <rjsalts> DevilTiger_: no, it was bsd before
microsoft bought it, and for a while afterwards
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521[02:52:48] <prussian> i don't recommend running your own
email server anyhow DevilTiger_
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522[02:52:52] <prussian> to be brutally honest
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524[02:53:13] <DevilTiger_> i don't plan on it ever again.
its only for one account
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528[02:54:19] <rjsalts> reputation is based on sending enough
messages that are not classified as spam
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537[02:59:27] <abrotman> Doing known-good things (best
practices) helps
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540[03:00:31] <rjsalts> I run my own small mail server for me
and 1 or 2 other people, the volume is never enough to get a good
reputation, or a bad one
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541[03:00:59] <rjsalts> I don't have man delivery problems
that I'm aware of
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546[03:05:27] <DevilTiger_> phone wont connect to 587 with TLS
now
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547[03:05:34] <DevilTiger_> IMAP went fine
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551[03:09:05] <htafdresgi> which version of debian is on the
2.6.27 kernel?
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552[03:09:52] <abrotman> htafdresgi: something really old
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554[03:10:45] <htafdresgi> yeah, I'm hoping someone here
can help me figure out which one has a 2.6.20+ kernel that's
not too far away
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555[03:11:05] <htafdresgi> since support for USB GSM modems
doesn't work in modern kernels
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556[03:11:36] <abrotman> htafdresgi: squeeze might be the
closest
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557[03:11:55] <abrotman> looks like etch was 2.6.18, squeeze was
2.6.32
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561[03:14:03] <htafdresgi> squeeze thanks
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562[03:14:06] <rjsalts>
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578[03:23:07] <raid_trouble> nvz: Just comming back to let you
know that, provisionally, setting root to /dev/md0 did the trick for
now. Thanks for all info and help.
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580[03:25:32] <nvz> raid_trouble: no problem
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616[03:50:37] <qu1nn_1> i have a partitioned drive that is
accessible to root, is there an easy way to let users access it?
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617[03:50:48] <qu1nn_1> newb question, but I am getting lost
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622[03:52:19] <mutante> qu1nn_1: i believe, add a mount point,
edit /etc/fstab edit it with the mount point and use the
"user" option in that config file
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625[03:53:08] <mutante> qu1nn_1: "Normally, only the
superuser can mount filesystems. However, when fstab contains the
user option on a line, anybody can mount the corresponding system.
"
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627[03:54:10] <mutante> or "mount -o users /dev/something
/mnt/somethingelse" if it's a one-time thing
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636[03:57:53] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: if you have udisks2 running
("systemctl status udisks2") then you can mount drives
with udisksctl
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645[04:00:20] <qu1nn_1> thanks, all kind of greek. trying to
figure out fstab - seems dangerous. I have a data directory on sdb
called \data that is fully owned by root
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647[04:00:39] <qu1nn_1> would like to plop an nextcloud database
there
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652[04:03:57] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: if you want this drive to be
mounted all the time at the same path, then fstab is what to use
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654[04:05:28] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught - see
replaced-url
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655[04:06:30] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: did you create a separate
/data partition while installing?
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656[04:06:58] <qu1nn_1> yes
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657[04:07:53] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: and it is already in fstab,
so that part is done. Now you likely want to create a directory in
/data that is owned by the user that nextcloud will be running as,
and configure nextcloud to use that directory
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661[04:09:13] <qu1nn_1> do I just leave as root and nextcloud
can handle ( i think it changes to
replaced-url
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667[04:11:03] <qu1nn_1> changes permissions to
replaced-url
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668[04:11:04] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: you want to do something like
"mkdir /data/nextcloud ; chown
replaced-url
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673[04:14:18] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: by the way, the /srv/
directory is a semi-de-facto standard place to put data that will be
served. Following conventions like that can make it easier for the
next person to admin this system to figure it out (unless they
don't need to because of your excellent notes ;)
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677[04:16:02] <qu1nn_1> I am coming from opensuse... I used to
make use of superdolpin alot... that isnt available now due to
security issues.. so I am super slow...
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678[04:16:37] <qu1nn_1> I am a home user so there is no other
admin
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686[04:20:00] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1:
replaced-url
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691[04:21:15] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught: thanks again for your help;
it is greatly appreciated.
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692[04:22:02] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: you're welcome.
you'll get quicker on the command line as you get more practice
and reading done ☺
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699[04:27:26] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught: your familiar with nextcloud?
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700[04:28:19] <hanasaki> any thoughts as to why an entry
dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't setup the
/etc/resolve.conf ?
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705[04:30:59] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: do you have resolvconf
installed?
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706[04:31:05] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: yes
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707[04:31:12] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: bingo. just did that. thanks
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708[04:31:26] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: you are so helpful so
often.thanks
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709[04:31:45] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: thanks, no problem ☺
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711[04:32:35] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught: I biffed setup, there is no
data yet, so I was thinking of just reinstalling as per
replaced-url
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717[04:36:00] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: stopping apache first
shouldn't be necessary. Depending on how you set up PHP, you
may need to restart Apache after making a change like that. Are you
using libapache2-mod-php, or php-fpm and apache's
mod_proxy_fcgi, or something else?
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718[04:37:38] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: also did you install
nextcloud using an apt repo or .deb package from the nextcloud
developers, or did you download nextcloud as a tarball that you
extracted in /var/replaced-url
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719[04:38:01] <qu1nn_1> extracted a zip from nextcloud
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720[04:38:13] <qu1nn_1> and extracted
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763[05:07:55] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught: in nextcloud graphic
installation screen, using my sql, gave db user / user pw and db
name , what do I fill in for localhost? (in the past i have only
used sqlite)
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764[05:08:15] <qu1nn_1> leave alone?
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769[05:10:19] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: if you are using a database
that is running on the same system, use localhost
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783[05:17:43] <qu1nn_1> jmcnaught; getting an error "error
while trying to create admin user: failed to connect to the
database: an exception occurred in driver: dqlstate [HY000][1698]
access denited for user 'root'@'localhost'
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786[05:18:38] <qu1nn_1> I am under the assumption that the
graphical installation creates the database? or did I need to create
ahead of time..?
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790[05:19:47] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: you are probably using
mariadb, which from what I understand no longer sets a password for
the root sql user. You should look for a README.Debian file in
/usr/share/doc/mariadb-server (or another directory in
/usr/share/doc starting with mariadb).
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794[05:20:41] <jmcnaught> qu1nn_1: the installer script is
probably trying to connect to mariadb as the root user to create a
database, but is failing to connect because the password is
incorrect (or doesn't exist or something)
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797[05:21:22] <paqcito> Hi guys. Is there people in here?
I'm a new SysAdmin, have been studying by myself, now I have a
friend who's running a business, and he's going to launch
a website. Never run a web server more than locals one, in order to
learn. He has the website, he's not IT related, a web
programmer did the job. Now, I will take the responsability of the
server, we will go for a server on DigitalOcean, and launch the
website. I've been reading o
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800[05:21:48] <paqcito> resource we will need, but there's
nothing I found. Is anyone in here whos willing to show me the path
in a sort of way?
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802[05:21:50] <paqcito> Thanks.
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804[05:23:12] <epsilon> the minimum will be LAMP howto+
iptbles-firewall
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805[05:23:22] <epsilon> optionally eMail-Server
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806[05:24:17] <mutante> would totally run the webserver but
never the mail server
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807[05:24:18] <epsilon> if that's too much work (yes it is
if you run a hosting server), then go to a webhoster and grab a
package for 5 bucks
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812[05:26:41] <mutante> paqcito: i think of the Digital Ocean
products it would probably be this
replaced-url
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814[05:27:15] <mutante> "one-click debloy Debian" heh
replaced-url
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835[05:43:32] <asterismo_m> hi, i need help with this. i
installed debian 9 on an Asus laptop with nvidia geforce 840M
graphics. It worked fine with nouveau driver
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840[05:44:25] <asterismo_m> then tried no install nvidia-driver
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841[05:45:02] <z8z> Hello, all the customization of my kate are
gone after upgrade to debian 9. How to fix this?
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842[05:45:10] <asterismo_m> then uninstalled nvidia-driver
package from tty and reinstalled nouveau
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844[05:46:04] <asterismo_m> i have no desktop, only tty and i
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845[05:46:24] <asterismo_m> what i'm supposed to do now?
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847[05:47:00] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: look for a file in
/etc/modprobe.d/ left behind by the nvidia packages that blacklists
the nouveau module
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859[05:52:40] <asterismo_m> jmcnaught: i found than file, should
i delete it?
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864[05:54:25] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: or move it somewhere else
if you don't understand what it does so that you can restore it
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871[06:01:10] <asterismo_m> jmcnaught: i removed that file,
updated the initramfs but still nothing, any other ideas?
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874[06:02:52] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: run "systemctl"
and look for failed services, then use "systemctl status
<service>" and "journalctl -u <service>"
to see what's going on
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883[06:09:16] <asterismo_m> jmcnaught:
system-modules-load.service failed
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884[06:09:25] <asterismo_m> but no useful info
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885[06:09:35] <asterismo_m> exited with status 1
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886[06:10:43] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: is there anything in its
journal?
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887[06:11:20] <asterismo_m> jmcnaught: isn't an option for
'sudo
dpkg-detect-and-install-graphics-as-it-was-installing-for-first-time'
sort of thing?
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889[06:12:06] <jmcnaught> asterismo_m: not really
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890[06:12:47] <asterismo_m> so what now, do i have to reinstall
because of this? in 2017?
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896[06:14:42] <asterismo_m> what annoys we is that it a
non-reversible process, installed prop drivers, didn't worked,
uninstalled, and everything broke up
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897[06:15:03] <jmcnaught> it's not irreversible
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898[06:15:13] <asterismo_m> i cannot find any useful log in that
journal commands nor var/log/...
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905[06:17:58] <Gadget> So I have a dell R810 with 6 drive bays.
I have 2 300GB SAS drives and 4 x 500GB SSDs. The dell R810 has a
built in H700 RAID card, which is the only way I can use the front 6
drive bays (only ones on the chassis). Is there any way to
pass-through the disks to debian so that if the RAID card on the
server fails I don't lose all of the data that was on it, EX:
putting each of the disks in a single drive RAID0? My main issue
with
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906[06:17:58] <Gadget> on-board RAID is that to rebuild the
array I need to reboot the server, and since I have no physical view
of the server (colo) I have no way of knowing if a drive has failed
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925[06:33:06] <jmcnaught> Gadget: if you prefer to use
mdadm/linux software raid then you could see if the hardware RAID
controller can be configured to act like a normal SATA/SAS
controller (and expose the drives to the OS individually)
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930[06:38:11] <Gadget> I looked up the H700 Raid Card but it
appears it doesn't support JBOD or act as an HBA
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937[06:43:48] <Gadget> If making 4 individual RAID 0s is
unreliable, does anyone know of a way to monitor hardware RAID
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950[07:00:00] <jmcnaught> Gadget: was it Dell documentation that
said there is no JBOD or equivalent mode?
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954[07:01:50] <jmcnaught> i wouldn't bet on even individual
RAID0s, they'll still have some proprietary junk mixed in.
Could be worth testing though.
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956[07:03:33] <Gadget> Well, it said no JBOD flat out, I was
talking about flashing it into IT mode or even to another controller
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1049[07:58:57] <hexnewbie> apt-get should win a gold medal. 1.
Stop apache, 2. Upgrade vim, 3. Start apache. Send uptime to hell :)
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1055[08:01:37] <ikskatrezed>
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1056[08:01:48] <ikskatrezed>
MP*poiQAyfyf:yfiyfyfyfyfipllllllllllllllllllllllll
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1065[08:06:05] <toruvinn> ikskatrezed, say hello to your cat
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1066[08:06:08] <toruvinn> oh, he left.
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1067[08:07:34] <fshfsh> So I installed cwm and it pulled in a
bunch of other packages (dbus fontconfig xscreensaver etc..) if I
uninstall cwm how do I check which packages were installed because
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1070[08:08:53] <hexnewbie> fshfsh: Should typically be removed by
autoremove. If not, you can see them in /var/log/apt/history.log,
etc. But fontconfig seems like a package you might need, even if
that's a server :)
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1072[08:10:44] <fshfsh> Ah, gocha, I wasn't sure if apt
autoremove did that, thanks hexnewbie.
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1073[08:11:09] <hexnewbie> apt-get autoremove does it, aptitude
does it by default at every operation, but I have no idea about apt
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1077[08:11:55] <hexnewbie> I think apt likes to be even more
destructive by default, so probably it autoremoves as well :)
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1100[08:28:40] <pandix> Hello
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1108[08:31:16] <pandix> have problems to run
VMware-Workstation-Full-10.0.6-2700073.i386.bundle on my latest
Ubuntu 16.04 (Debian Based 32 Bit)... ... it loaded a while and
stuck... :-(
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1109[08:31:38] <pandix> think its a problem with the
archtitecture...
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1114[08:32:57] <well_laid_lawn> !ubuntu
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1115[08:32:57] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1116[08:33:24] <pandix> thank you! Goodbye.
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1117[08:33:26] <pandix> :)
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1118[08:34:02] <well_laid_lawn> pandix: yw
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1126[08:37:49] <fshfsh> uh, one more question.. is there a wiki
for debian 9 nvidia driver installation?
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1127[08:38:24] <well_laid_lawn> !nvidia
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1128[08:38:25] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing
units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on
Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary
"nvidia" driver, see
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1130[08:38:46] <Trioxin> need help. I'm following this:
replaced-url
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1132[08:39:24] <fshfsh> Well yeah but it doesn't have a
section for debian 9, just 8 and 7..
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1134[08:39:54] <fshfsh> Oh wait it does i'm stupid..
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1135[08:40:04] <Trioxin> idk what memory it's talking about.
Almost all of my 32gb is free
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1172[08:54:08] <hexnewbie> What is
/bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch, and how do I exit it
when I'm running apt-get upgrade on a non-TTY?
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1176[08:55:52] <hexnewbie> Why would restarting services ask me
for password anyway?
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1188[08:59:06] <fshfsh> So when I run nvidia-settings it says
that it's not using the invidia driver and to run
nvidia-xconfig which breaks xorg.conf. modprobe says im using nvidia
drivers..
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was under the impression that they no longer require an xorg.conf to
use them
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1202[09:04:10] <well_laid_lawn> there's nvidia-config iirc
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1203[09:05:05] <well_laid_lawn> just have to make sure nouvea
driver is blacklisted
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1204[09:05:10] <fshfsh> Apparently it breaks bumblebee systems,
so im figuring out how to set up that on 9
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1205[09:05:49] <well_laid_lawn> bumblebee is a different kettle
of fish - I know nothing of that
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1207[09:06:10] <well_laid_lawn> !bumblebee
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1208[09:06:11] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the
laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and
<wheezy-backports>.
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1228[09:12:39] <mark__> hi, if i accidentally erased /dev/*, will
a reboot bring it all back?
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1229[09:12:43] <mark__> restarting udev didn't work
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1340[10:00:58] <pingfloyd> it should as far as I know, afterall,
/dev is usually over a tmpfs
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1374[10:15:31] <eugenmayer> when upgrading from jessie to
stretch, my ethernet interfaces are named eth0 still. How can i
enforce the new behavior?
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1392[10:22:59] <kos-mos> Hi
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1394[10:23:26] <kos-mos> I want to restrict what an user can do
on a Debian system.
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1396[10:24:15] <kos-mos> Would you recommend acl or lshell ?
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1403[10:27:47] <bezaban> kos-mos: normal users are already pretty
restricted, if you have something specific in mind, it would be
easier to recommend something that solves that
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1406[10:28:34] <bezaban> eg. not run binaries: mount the home
directory noexec
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1414[10:31:39] <eugenmayer> what is the correct way to enable
predictable interface names in a upgraded stretch box?
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=1" ?
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1418[10:34:30] <jmcnaught> eugenmayer: there are instructions in
/usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz
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1419[10:34:44] <petn-randall> eugenmayer: I'm guessing you
just need to remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (make
a backup before).
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1423[10:35:10] <eugenmayer> petn-randall: according to this,
replaced-url
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1424[10:35:35] <eugenmayer> what i just wonder is, that
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=1" is missing on a
fresh installed stretch box, but still i have the new predictable
names
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1425[10:35:47] <eugenmayer> on upgrade boxes, the option is
missing and i have the old ones
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1429[10:36:14] <petn-randall> eugenmayer: It says, "Read
README.Debian for the migration guide". I'd check that.
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1430[10:37:09] <petn-randall> eugenmayer: It's in
/usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz.
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1441[10:40:32] <eugenmayer> petn-randall: jmcnaught thanks!
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1442[10:41:04] <petn-randall> eugenmayer: you're welcome!
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1448[10:43:05] <duggler> hello. can somebody help me get the
left/right mouse button functionality working with debian 9/xfce?
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1483[11:07:51] <CQ> hello, I have some issues with my
sources.list...
replaced-url
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1502[11:20:08] <pvdp> Just enter the http address in your browser
and then you'll see the issue.
replaced-url
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1506[11:21:28] <pvdp> Same for
replaced-url
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1534[11:40:11] <petn-randall> CQ: The mozilla.debian.net repo you
list doesn't exist, it's also not mentioned on their web
page. As for dropbox, you'll have to ask them if they provide
packages for stretch or not. This is out of Debian's control.
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1546[11:43:29] <eugenmayer> petn-randall: my problem now is, with
the upgraded box, that instead having eno1 i get enp0s31….
the boxes have the same hardware but the fresh installed has just
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1547[11:43:40] <eugenmayer> eno0 - is there i "make it
simpler" option?
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1548[11:44:30] <CQ> petn-randall: the moz.deb.net page surrests
installing ESR
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1549[11:44:34] <CQ> suggests
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1561[11:49:43] <cybrNaut> I want to do "dpkg -l" to
list installed packages, but I only want to see packages that I
proactively installed, not all the libs and dependcies
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1562[11:49:46] <cybrNaut> is that possible?
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1565[11:51:29] <CQ> search for apt-mark showmanual
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1566[11:51:37] <cybrNaut> CQ: thanks
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1577[11:58:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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1589[12:02:48] <phix> BluesKaj: G'day mate!
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1591[12:03:40] <BluesKaj> Hi phix
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1593[12:03:59] <wyoung> BluesKaj: werd
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1594[12:04:11] <phix> hi BluesKaj!
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1595[12:04:22] <phix> What's the latest?
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1597[12:04:37] <phix> wyoung: sup?
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1599[12:04:59] <BluesKaj> Hi wyoung:
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1600[12:05:14] <wyoung> not much
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1601[12:05:17] <wyoung> hey gang!
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1602[12:05:29] <BluesKaj> 'Morning coffee here, phix . and
you?
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1604[12:05:42] <phix> BluesKaj: evening scotch here :)
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1605[12:05:54] <phix> single malt, 12 years
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1606[12:05:57] <BluesKaj> :-)
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1609[12:07:14] <phix> from speyside area
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1610[12:07:35] <phix> Elgan actually
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1612[12:07:46] <magnus> can i pm someone about error code ubuntu
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1613[12:07:52] <phix> magnus: no
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1614[12:08:00] <phix> magnus: you can ask your question in here
though L(
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1615[12:08:04] <phix> L( = :)
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1618[12:08:25] <magnus> oke cool
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1621[12:08:59] <magnus> What does this message mean; W: mdadm:
/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays. After apt-get upgrade
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1623[12:09:54] <svod> ok question
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1625[12:10:15] <phix> magnus: it means you are not using software
raid or you are and you haven't added raid entries to
/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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1626[12:10:20] <phix> svod: ok answer
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1627[12:10:31] <towo^work> magnus, it means, your'e not
using mdadm or sofraid
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1628[12:10:36] <svod> i installed cinnamon with the netinstaller
and it's screen tear free, but openbox has tearing for days,
why is that?
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1629[12:10:44] <phix> towo^work: correct
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1630[12:10:46] <svod> nouveau btw.
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1631[12:11:09] <phix> svod: I don't understand the question
sorry
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1636[12:11:56] <svod> I'm just wondering why cinnamon has
screen tearing and openbox doesn't.
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1637[12:12:08] <svod> wait I meant openbox has tearing and
cinnamon doesn't..
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1640[12:12:33] <towo^work> cinnamon is running a compositor
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1641[12:12:33] <magnus> does it matter?
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1642[12:12:51] <towo^work> and that compositor prevents tearing
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1645[12:12:58] <svod> compositor? and yeah I like to be able to
watch movies withought my eyes bleeding.
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1649[12:13:42] <towo^work> install compton, start that on openbox
and tearing should there even be gone
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1655[12:15:54] <towo^work> magnus, if you don't want to see
that message anymore, do 'apt purge mdadm'
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1656[12:16:06] <svod> Ah will do, thanks towo^work
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1657[12:16:52] <cybrNaut> "apt-mark showmanual" shows a
hell of a lot of libs
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1663[12:21:41] <Ke> in general any well maintained system should
be able to run aptitude purge ~c
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1665[12:22:11] <Ke> eg. one where apt-mark showmanual does not
show any unwanted libs
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1666[12:22:38] <Ke> in general it's better the cleanup right
at the start and keep clean
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1667[12:24:05] <eugenmayer> why are eno0 names shorten on fresh
stretch installations but when upgrading from jessie and enabling
persistent interfacen names, they are enp1fxx ( long names ) .. i
cannot even find a rule that shortens them on fresh installations
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1669[12:24:14] <eugenmayer> why is that as inconsistent as
this>?
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1679[12:29:06] <eugenmayer> doing udevadm test-builtin net_id
/sys/class/net/eno1 | grep '^ID_NET_NAME_' .. i get
different results in both systems..
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1681[12:29:12] <eugenmayer> ID_NET_NAME_PATH=enp0s31f6
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1683[12:29:19] <eugenmayer> ID_NET_NAME_ONBOARD=eno1
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1684[12:29:29] <dTal> yeah I miss when wifi was
"wlan0", I can't remember this gobbledygook
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1685[12:29:31] <eugenmayer> so its just because one has an oboard
card
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1714[12:39:31] <careta> hi guys
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1717[12:39:52] <careta> anyone having segfaults on Virtualbox
caused by libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.31?
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1718[12:40:52] <magnus> what does this error mean: E: Sub-process
/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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1722[12:43:43] <dTal> impossible to say, you should look for a
more detailed error message in your scrollback
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1729[12:46:03] <magnus> here are more detailsl;
replaced-url
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1755[12:56:27] <linuxthefish> magnus read line to to line 14 :p
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1761[12:58:42] <iodev> linuxthefish: hi
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1766[13:00:57] <linuxthefish> iodev hy
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1771[13:02:36] <magnus> @linuxthefish change it in /etc/hosts?
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1779[13:04:47] <notphix> sup gang
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1781[13:05:06] <iodev> notphix: hi
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1785[13:05:46] <phix> iodev: hey
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1787[13:05:55] <phix> iodev: I am here now :)
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1788[13:06:23] <iodev> yes, how can I help you?
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1793[13:08:49] <phix> iodev: Are you qualified?
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1794[13:09:14] <iodev> phix: on paper no, experience maybe
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1795[13:09:51] <wyoung> ok, how can I deal with ops on other
channels? (not this one, these ops are nice)
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1798[13:10:23] <iodev> wyoung: you need a self-help book :D
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1799[13:10:30] <wyoung> There are a small group of ops on a
particular channel that are rude and have large egos but if you try
to confront them about it they ban you
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1802[13:10:50] <wyoung> How can you deal with people like that?
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1803[13:11:01] <wyoung> I feel like they need a punch in the head
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1804[13:11:12] <wyoung> But I am not violent so I can't help
the
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1805[13:11:14] <wyoung> them*
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1806[13:11:16] * iodev knows exactly what you're talking about
wyoung
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1809[13:11:31] <wyoung> You are a good listerner iodev :)
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1811[13:12:26] <iodev> I have a big ego (and used to let it
manifest itself), but I'm now trying to stop it, bury it, kill
it :D
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1813[13:12:40] <iodev> so I can understand those ops :D
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1814[13:12:58] <wyoung> And you don't have ops so that
probably helps :P)
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1815[13:13:23] <wyoung> iodev: can you join the channel I am
having issues with and try and help them?
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1816[13:14:15] <iodev> wyoung: sure, but there's not use
telling them they got big ego, they won't believe you (I
wouldn't have at that stage)
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1817[13:14:40] <wyoung> hmmmm, any other stratigies?
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1819[13:15:26] <wyoung> I feel like putting htem in their place
with non-profanity words but then they ban me :/
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1820[13:15:48] <iodev> wyoung: only 1
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1821[13:15:50] <wyoung> I ask valid and conherent questions and
their ego just hits the ban button
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1822[13:16:02] <iodev> you must apologize, even if it's not
your fault
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1826[13:16:20] <wyoung> iodev: yeah I thought of that but they
don't deserve it
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1828[13:16:36] <ksk> maybe take this talk to #debian-offtopic,
its not that debian related :)
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1829[13:16:38] <wyoung> actually I did try that and they
didn't believe me
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1831[13:16:44] <wyoung> ksk: sorry, I Will
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1832[13:16:54] <iodev> ksk: yeah, I didn't know that channel
existed (new here), sorry
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1833[13:17:17] <wyoung> iodev: lets discuss in there :) I like
your feedback
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1834[13:17:19] <iodev> wyoung: I joined offtopic
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1839[13:19:43] <careta> anyone having segfaults on Virtualbox
caused by libgdk-x11 ??
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1840[13:19:47] <careta> on stable
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1846[13:23:46] <pclover> anytime i see a segfault i typically
check for bad ram first
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1847[13:23:48] <pclover> but that's just me
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1851[13:25:25] <wyoung> czpepkry: nope
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1856[13:26:25] <msl09> hey, have anyone ran reportbug recently?
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1857[13:26:58] <petn-randall> msl09: Ask your real question.
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1860[13:27:37] <msl09> I'm getting a network timeout and
I'm not sure if it's due to corporate proxy shenanigans or
bts
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1862[13:28:51] <petn-randall> msl09: Likely it's due to
firewalling. It uses port 25 or 587 for mail submission.
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1866[13:30:16] <msl09> I'm not submitting yet I'm
querying for reports
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1881[13:40:47] <petn-randall> msl09: It'll use HTTP(S) for
that.
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1887[13:43:46] <msl09> yeah looks like it's being held by
the firewall
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1891[13:45:06] <msl09> it stops at syn_sent, but I'm using
the same proxy configuration that I'm using for wget it's
working
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1893[13:45:36] <petn-randall> msl09: How are you passing the
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1898[13:46:18] <msl09> reportbug --proxy=$http_proxy
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1902[13:47:02] <mflow> How can I remove xserver-xorg-video-intel
from Debian Jessie without removing task-desktop and
task-kde-desktop ? Or by removing them but installing what they
install but without xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
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1903[13:47:47] <towo^work> what's the problem if
metapackages are removed?
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1904[13:48:14] <mflow> I no longer have a graphical desktop
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1905[13:48:24] <mflow> i.e. can't login through kdm,
I'm booted into a shell
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1906[13:49:07] <towo^work> removing metapackages does not remove
real packages
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1908[13:49:15] <towo^work> or i don't understand, what you
do
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1909[13:49:42] <petn-randall> msl09: Check out bug #717563, there
it's suggested to set the HTTP_PROXY environment var.
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1910[13:49:44] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1912[13:49:55] <mflow> I did apt-get remove
xserver-xorg-video-intel and it uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-intel
xserver-xorg-video-all task-desktop task-kde-desktop and rebooted
and I was booted into a shell
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1913[13:50:32] <towo^work> because you have a intel graphic
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1914[13:50:33] <petn-randall> mflow: Can you show us the complete
output of your apt-get run?
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1915[13:50:33] <sypher> mflow: Is the presence of
xserver-xorg-video-intel causing problems?
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1916[13:50:57] <towo^work> removing the ddx, is a bad idea
without giving the system a alternative
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1917[13:51:01] <petn-randall> mflow: If haven't saved the
output, the last entries in /var/log/apt/history.log would be
useful.
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1920[13:52:25] <towo^work> without the intel-ddx how x should
start?
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1921[13:52:32] <mflow> towo^work: I've also installed linux
kernel and firmware from backports: via apt-get -t jessie-backports
install linux-image-amd64 firmware-misc-nonfree
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1922[13:52:57] <sypher> mflow: WHY are you trying to remove
xserver-xorg-video-intel?
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1923[13:52:57] <towo^work> again, what ddx X should use, if you
remove intel?
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1925[13:53:28] <mflow> the X servers builtin?
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1926[13:53:40] <towo^work> in jesse there is no buildin
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1927[13:53:42] <mflow> "The use of this driver is
discouraged if your hw is new enough (ca. 2007 and newer). You can
try uninstalling this driver and let the server use it's
builtin modesetting driver instead. "
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1929[13:54:04] <towo^work> mflow, than you must have
xserver-xorg-video-modesetting have installed
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1930[13:54:24] <towo^work> and /var/log/Xorg.0.log will enlighten
you, what's goning wrong
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1932[13:56:05] <likcoras> Does the debian-security mailinglist
get updates before the rss feed, or is it just my client being
screwy?
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1933[13:56:34] <likcoras> Like multiple hours, close to a day
late.
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1934[13:56:45] <Haohmaru> where do i configure the mouse settings
like speed and acceleration in debian 9?
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1936[13:57:08] <Haohmaru> because those in the LXDE gui
don't seem to apply
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1937[13:58:28] <Haohmaru> i read some stuff about libinput and it
instructs me to insert certain text into a conf file, but the
directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ doesn't even exist
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1948[14:01:49] <likcoras> Haohmaru: the config depends on the
input driver you're using, which is probably libinput. Check
libinput(4) and xorg.conf(5)
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1949[14:01:57] <BluesKaj> mflow: not sure of the age of your pc
but if you have a fairly modern pc/laptop with intel graphics the
i915or i965 driver is the default and it's contained in the
xserver-xorg-video-intel display driver
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1962[14:09:02] <kos-mos> bezaban: readonly on all filesystem
except the home read write, (with a quota) and no execution, and a
restrited set of available commands.
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1964[14:10:18] <mflow> towo^work: I think having
xserver-xorg-video-modesetting installed is not enough, as I have it
and still can't boot into kdm ; the X log says: "No
screens found" "Can't load Intel module (does not
exist)" "/dev/dri/card0 no such file"
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1965[14:10:57] <JohnyX> mflow, it's a laptop of a desktop?
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1966[14:11:50] <mflow> JohnyX: desktop with Intel Kaby Lake CPU
7700, when I have the xserver-xorg-video-intel installed the i915
drived is loaded by the kernel
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1968[14:12:20] <DrOwl> good day, I wonder if some one might help
me debug a problem... my .xsession-errors is filling my disk with
repeated lines saying "WaitForSingleObject: unknown handle type
140315575231920", how can i find out which app is creating the
errors and how to fix it?
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1969[14:12:35] <mflow> JohnyX: *the xserver-xorg-video-intel
package from debian jessie bacports
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1970[14:12:43] <BluesKaj> mflow: did you see my post above? the
default dtiver is the correct one, you might have other problems
other than your gpu
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1971[14:12:53] <Haohmaru> crap, the root password is not
accepted.. damn it
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1972[14:12:53] <DrOwl> Im am running Debian 9 and Xfce
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1973[14:13:14] <towo^work> mflow, if /dev/dri/card0 not exist,
then kms is not running propper
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1974[14:13:28] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, you can bypass the root
password in grub
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1975[14:13:42] <towo^work> mflow, i would bet my ass, dmesg |
grep -i firmw do complain about missing firmware
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1976[14:13:54] <towo^work> mflow, kabylake and jessie is a bad
choice
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1978[14:14:02] <mflow> BluesKaj: yes, but I'm trying to
remove it because of the note on the package description:
replaced-url
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1979[14:14:04] <Haohmaru> JohnyX, how?
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1981[14:14:23] <Haohmaru> i need to have a root password after
all..
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1982[14:14:32] <BluesKaj> mflow: the description is mistaken
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1983[14:14:47] <towo^work> BluesKaj, no is not
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1984[14:15:04] <BluesKaj> ok then, have fun
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1985[14:15:20] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, when you see the booting
screen, hit <tab> Then type the kernel name with init=/bin/sh.
Like example: bzImage init=/bin/sh it will boot the system as root
with ro /. mount -o remount,rw / will bring / back in rw. Then do a
passwd, which let you reset the root pass.
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1986[14:15:26] <towo^work> you should sometimes read some news
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1989[14:16:01] <towo^work> many distros are using modesetting by
default for intel, since the intel ddx is not in a best state
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1993[14:16:15] <towo^work> but on kabylake, i would not do that
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1994[14:16:35] <towo^work> mflow, and again, jessie is a bad
choice for such new hardware
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1995[14:16:42] <Guest86888> how can i obtain the source files for
these packages 'lib32gcc1 lib32z1 libc6-i386 python3-xdg
shashlik' when 'sudo apt-get source lib32gcc1 lib32z1
libc6-i386 python3-xdg shashlik' wont work
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1997[14:16:57] <BluesKaj> I have the same gpu and driver on my
laptop, it's the default
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1998[14:16:58] <Haohmaru> JohnyX, where do i type? should i press
"c" for a "command line" ?
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2000[14:17:11] <Guest86888> Reading package lists... Done
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2001[14:17:11] <Guest86888> Picking 'gccgo-6' as source
package instead of 'lib32gcc1'
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2002[14:17:11] <Guest86888> E: Can not find version
'6.0.1-0ubuntu1' of package 'lib32gcc1'
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2003[14:17:11] <Guest86888> E: Unable to find a source package
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2004[14:17:25] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, yeah, that work too. You want
to be in manual commands in grub. To bypass the default boot.
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2005[14:18:01] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, basicly changing the init to
init=/bin/sh make the shell trigger instead of all the booting
script. Making it bypass all security
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2007[14:18:41] <Haohmaru> "error: can't find command
bzImage"
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2008[14:19:10] <JohnyX> Haohmaru, That was a example, depend
which kernel you have and name you got.
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2009[14:19:43] <Haohmaru> okay.. i'll just reinstall it
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2010[14:19:56] <mflow> towo^work: Thanks for the info; it really
helped ;-) I will try to run the dmesg command ASAP as I'm AFK
for a bit
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2011[14:20:58] <Haohmaru> it's very weird because both the
root and the user password should've been the same.. but i
guess i've entered the root password "at an angle"
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2048[14:40:45] <msl09> ah I found the bug petn-randall
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2051[14:41:50] <_Wise_> Hi *
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2052[14:41:58] <mflow> the firmware seems to be loaded [
2.500210] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware
i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin , anyway I will get the intel package
installed and move on
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2053[14:42:04] <mflow> s/get/keep
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2057[14:42:46] <Cl0udN9ne> Err:1
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2058[14:42:49] <msl09> petn-randall: reportbug never passes the
http_proxy variable to debian-bts which in turns never passes the
proxy to the SoapClient object
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2059[14:42:55] <_Wise_> just noticed with my Debian Stretch that
*all* my tcp outgoing traffic is using *only* even tcp port numbers,
is that normal ?
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2060[14:43:16] <Cl0udN9ne> while doing apt-get install gradle,i
get tht error
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2062[14:43:43] <Cl0udN9ne> is there a way to get another repo to
download from?
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2065[14:44:10] <abrotman> Cl0udN9ne: run apt-get update?
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2066[14:44:20] <Cl0udN9ne> yeah
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2067[14:44:25] <Cl0udN9ne> stupid me :P
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2084[14:52:41] <Haohmaru> why do i think that choosing brtfs
instead of ext4 was a bad idea
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2085[14:53:06] <Haohmaru> i have the feeling that anything
related to creating files takes ages
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2086[14:53:32] <Haohmaru> or the slowness comes from some other
place.. i don't know
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2087[14:53:41] <pclover> isn't it still unstable?
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2088[14:54:00] <pclover> Haohmaru, you also have the choice of
EXT4 + LVM
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2089[14:54:11] <Haohmaru> i don't know.. it's there as
an option
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2090[14:54:31] <Haohmaru> i'm not sure i want this LVM thing
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2091[14:54:42] <pclover> what do you need with storage?
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2093[14:55:39] <Haohmaru> i was running 32bit lubuntu (on ext4
partitions like usual) but it was annoying, so now i replaced it
with 64bit debian, and for some stupid reason i decided to use brtfs
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2095[14:56:17] <pclover> i don't know too much about btrft
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2097[14:56:44] <pclover> other then before it was unstable and
had issues
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2099[14:56:52] <pclover> Perhaps it's stable now
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2101[14:57:19] <pclover> Haohmaru, tho next time it may be a good
idea to research into file systems and what meets your needs.
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2104[14:57:44] <Haohmaru> could the difference between i686 vs
amd64 distribution somehow explain why i'd "feel" a
very significant slowness when files are created?
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2106[14:58:26] <Haohmaru> pclover, i read some article or
wikipedia page about ext4 and btrfs and crap, that's what
inspired me to try it out
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2107[14:58:30] <Haohmaru> i'm an idiot
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2108[14:58:32] <Haohmaru> ;]
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2109[14:58:36] <pclover> lol
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2110[14:58:38] <sypher> Haohmaru: What, precisely, is the issue
with LVM?
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2111[14:58:57] <pclover> LVM is awesome
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2113[14:59:00] <Haohmaru> sypher, i'm not familiar with
exactly what it is, and haven't used it
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2114[14:59:08] <pclover> than you probably don't need it
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2116[14:59:38] <pclover> but allows for flexible storage
management
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2117[14:59:40] <jelly> Haohmaru, different fs type is a lot more
significant than just the architecture, both i386 and amd64 are well
known and reasonably optimized for
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2120[15:00:23] <Haohmaru> yeah, i also really doubt that 32 vs
64bit would cause something like this
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2121[15:00:30] <pclover> it allows you to say easily add drives
resize stuff etc
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2122[15:00:32] <sypher> Haohmaru: LVM is an extremely mature
method of storage management.
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2123[15:00:40] <pclover> ^
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2124[15:01:19] <sypher> Haohmaru: I use ext4/xfs on LVM on nearly
every system I own/manage. I trust it quite a bit more than btrfs,
certainly.
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2125[15:01:23] <pclover> zfs appears to be another popular option
but it's license is not compatible with the linux kernel and
unsure about it's status on linux.
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2127[15:01:30] <Haohmaru> i'm installing a software package
with synaptic.. 72MB download, ~600MB space required, it's been
like 20 minutes already and it's still at "processing
triggers for libc-bin"
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2129[15:01:44] <sypher> pclover: It's available as a FUSE
module, that I know. Beyond that, not sure.
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2131[15:02:02] <pclover> been awhile since i looked at it
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2132[15:02:04] <Haohmaru> ..the cpu isn't doing anything
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2133[15:02:26] <Haohmaru> my nose tells me it's something
related to btrfs
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2135[15:02:57] <jelly> serves you right for using alpha-quality
software
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2138[15:03:22] <Haohmaru> no more experiments :~(
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2139[15:03:49] <jelly> if you want to play with btrfs you usually
want to have latest vanilla kernel
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2141[15:03:56] <sypher> Haohmaru: Try using a mature FS on LVM.
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2143[15:04:19] <Haohmaru> wait a minute.. LVM is a partition
table type?
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2144[15:04:34] <jelly> lvm is a layer between disks (partitions)
and a filesystem
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2145[15:04:35] <Haohmaru> like msdos partition
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2147[15:05:12] <jelly> it's sort of like a partition table,
but also sort of like raid and thin provisioning as well
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2148[15:05:31] * Haohmaru doesn't really know what raid is
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2150[15:05:59] <Haohmaru> ext4 has worked fine for me.. i'll
use ext4 like always
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2151[15:06:03] <jelly> raid is a way to make more reliable
storage out of single disks using the power of MATHS
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2154[15:06:18] <Haohmaru> mm, funky
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2155[15:07:04] <Haohmaru> does it write the same stuff into
multiple locations and perform magic to get a better reliability
from the hard disk?
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2156[15:07:10] <jelly> in its simplest form, level 1 raid just
makes two copies of everything on two disks, halving the effective
usable size
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2157[15:07:18] <jelly> !raid
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2158[15:07:19] <dpkg> Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID)
is a system of multiple hard drives for sharing or replicating data.
Ask me about RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>,
<megaraid>, <raid-resizing>, <rocketraid>.
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2161[15:07:55] <jelly> there are more interesting raid levels
that lose less than 50% of space.
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2162[15:08:21] <Haohmaru> hm?
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2164[15:08:30] <jelly> MATHS
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2165[15:08:32] <Haohmaru> do they use complex number maths?
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2166[15:08:39] <jelly> just integers.
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2170[15:09:35] <petn-randall> RAID levels with 2 or more parities
get really funky with calculating it, but it's still integer
MATHS.
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2171[15:09:47] <jelly> read about raid5, and raid6, then about
problems with those, then about ways ZFS and NetApp and btrfs work
around some of those problems
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2172[15:10:04] <Haohmaru> oh noes
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2173[15:10:10] * jelly forgets what netapp's fs is called. WAFL?
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2175[15:10:47] <Haohmaru> it's almost edible?
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2186[15:20:36] <pclover> wonder why RAID5 is still popular
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2187[15:20:53] <pclover> despite it's problems and if you
get a URE during a rebuild your kinda hosed
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2188[15:21:31] <pclover> and if one disk goes out your write
performance is going to be awful
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2191[15:23:49] <colo-work> spindles cost money, and consumer
chassis rarely carry more than 4
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2192[15:24:02] <colo-work> that's 50% vs 75% usable storage
for RAID6 vs RAID5
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2193[15:24:08] <colo-work> which probably answers your question
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2194[15:24:27] <pclover> yeah everything seems to be about cost
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2195[15:24:27] <colo-work> what I _really_ don't get is
people having RAID5 with a hot spare
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2196[15:24:43] <pclover> huh
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2197[15:24:49] <cronic> hey there :) On Debian 8, is there a way
to deactivate/activate a specific usb port?
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2198[15:25:11] <pclover> colo-work, raid10 is a much better
option IMO but it also costs more
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2199[15:25:11] <petn-randall> cronic: No, what are you trying to
achieve?
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2200[15:25:35] <JyZyXEL> is there a DE agnostic way of asking
superuser permissions with a GUI?
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2201[15:25:41] <inch> cronic: You could deactivate a group ports
by unbinding the driver from the usb-controller.
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2203[15:25:52] <petn-randall> pclover: RAID5/6 has pretty good
write speeds on serial I/O. Just don't use it for anything
else.
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2204[15:26:00] <pclover> Raid 5 and 6 need more more resources
but i guess CPU's are fast enough
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2206[15:26:09] <pclover> unless you wanted a write cache than
you'd need a controller
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2207[15:26:16] <cronic> petn-randall: Just playin with a usb
tetris lamp, there is no chipset in it, so it does only get 5v. I
thought i could write a script for some notifications, that
activate/deactivate the usb port
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2208[15:26:50] <eze> I am getting this error:
replaced-url
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2209[15:27:20] <eze> any ideas on how to solve it? (I am new with
apt-key)
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2211[15:27:36] <pclover> SSDs seem to the best overall option but
it's not exactly cost efficient vs spinning disks
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2213[15:28:13] <pclover> been awhile but do 10k and 15k disks
still see the light of day or has SSDs taken that over?
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2215[15:28:17] <petn-randall> cronic: AFAIK the OS has no control
over powering USB port on or off. If it registers as USB device you
could try this though:
replaced-url
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2218[15:28:44] * greycat closes the crazy ubuntu no-goal-stated,
obscuring-the-public-key-fingerprint question
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2219[15:28:53] <cheapie> pclover: Seagate still sells the things,
so I'd assume they get used somewhere.
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2221[15:29:23] <pclover> only benefit i could see is write
endurance
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2222[15:29:28] <pclover> SLC SSDs are not cheap
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2223[15:29:39] <cheapie> That and mechanical drives make better
noises :P
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2224[15:29:49] <pclover> a heavy write load on say a MLC SSDs is
not going to be happy
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2226[15:30:00] <pclover> or rather i should say a TLC SSD
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2228[15:30:17] <cheapie> SSDs can't do this:
replaced-url
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2231[15:30:41] <pclover> lol
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2232[15:30:56] <Emma_Gination> Hi Guys! Does anybody know what
debian uses to manage service startup shutdown(what is their
chkconfig equivalent)?
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2233[15:31:17] <greycat> Debian 8 and 9 use systemd by default.
Prior to that, it's various flavors of sysvinit + helpers and
hacks.
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2235[15:31:33] <cronic> petn-randall: Mhh ok. Then i maybe have
to use an arm for that.. The OS is not recognizing it as a
controller, its just powered
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2237[15:31:37] <petn-randall> cheapie: SSDs can't do this:
replaced-url
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2238[15:31:40] <Emma_Gination> greycat: thanks :)
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2245[15:35:14] <celyr> I found a bug in default vsftpd pam.d
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2247[15:35:31] <celyr> bug is sss related
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2248[15:35:41] <greycat> !bts
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2249[15:35:42] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages,
replaced-url
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2251[15:37:25] <celyr> greycat, 1234 IYO ?
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2253[15:39:15] <contrapunctus> o/
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2261[15:42:48] <contrapunctus> HP ProBook laptop, Cinnamon DE.
Clicking 'Shut Down' (from the options given after pressin
the power button) always restarts the system.
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2277[15:54:46] <Haohmaru> why does it look like i don't have
add-apt-repository?
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2280[15:55:07] <contrapunctus> anyone? o_O
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2281[15:55:08] <greycat> ,file add-apt-repo
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2282[15:55:12] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
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2284[15:55:25] <greycat> Why do you think that you *should* have
this thing?
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2286[15:55:34] <gattler> Hi all, I've installed jessie using
"debootstrap", The resulting system boots fine with
systemd but with sysvinit not login is spawned, any suggestions?
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2288[15:55:56] <Haohmaru> greycat, because.. my past hounts me in
the present?
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2289[15:56:01] <Haohmaru> * haunts
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2291[15:56:19] <greycat> Under sysvinit, inittab should contain 1
or more getty lines, to run getty on each of the Linux virtual
consoles (tty1 etc.)
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2292[15:56:31] <gattler> greycat: yes, it is there
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2293[15:56:31] <Haohmaru> i don't know.. i'm trying to
install a certain thing from a "ppa" and i'm
following instructions, and i can't get it to work
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2295[15:56:59] <greycat> Debian does not use PPAs. That's
Ubuntu.
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2296[15:57:06] <Haohmaru> oh
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2297[15:57:35] <Haohmaru> well, crap
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2298[15:57:44] <Haohmaru> i don't want ubuntu :~(
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2299[15:57:56] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
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2300[15:57:58] <gattler> greycat: there are 6 tty's defined
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2301[15:58:10] <greycat> gattler: what do the logs say?
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2303[15:58:12] <Haohmaru> greycat, install a more recent version
of kicad
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2304[15:58:17] <greycat> ,v kicad
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2305[15:58:18] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.20120526+bzr3261-1; wheezy-backports:
0.20140622+bzr4027-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3;
jessie-backports: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4;
buster: 4.0.6+dfsg1-1; sid: 4.0.6+dfsg1-1
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2306[15:58:37] <greycat> Haohmaru: what version of Debian is
this?
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2307[15:58:57] <contrapunctus> greycat: I thought this channel
was for Stable only
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2309[15:59:06] <Haohmaru> in synaptic i got 4.0.5, i can't
even get 4.0.6, and that's not even one of the "more
recent" ones
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2311[15:59:09] <greycat> Lots of people run oldstable or
oldoldstable.
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2312[15:59:13] <Haohmaru> graytron, debian 9
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2313[15:59:16] <contrapunctus> ah.
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2314[15:59:17] <petn-randall> contrapunctus: There are several
stable releases ...
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2316[15:59:37] <greycat> Haohmaru: I don't think a
stretch-backports has been set up yet. You can attempt to build your
own backport from sid sources.
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2317[15:59:38] <gattler> greycat: how do I access the logs?
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2318[15:59:43] <greycat> !tell Haohmaru about ssb
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2319[15:59:46] <petn-randall> Haohmaru: Is there anything in
4.0.6 you are missing?
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2320[15:59:55] <greycat> gattler: cd /var/log; ls -lart; tail
whatever file looks good
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2321[16:00:14] <gattler> how? I can't login ....
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2322[16:00:36] <greycat> Well, that's gonna make it
challenging.
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2323[16:00:50] <gattler> I suppose
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2324[16:00:52] <greycat> I guess you boot with init=/bin/sh or
something...
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2326[16:00:56] <gattler> yeah
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2327[16:00:58] <Haohmaru> greycat, do you mean i'd probably
have to compile/build kicad myself?
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2328[16:01:05] <greycat> Haohmaru: yes, that is what a backport
is
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2329[16:01:13] <Haohmaru> oh boy
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2330[16:01:14] <contrapunctus> anyone for my problem? :\
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2334[16:01:51] <thurstylark> I installed a system using the
minimal install from the netinst installer without internet. Is
there a group of packages that I should install? I'm finding
that I'm missing things like man and curl
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2335[16:02:25] <petn-randall> thurstylark: Install whatever you
want. We can't know what you want on the machine.
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2336[16:03:04] <greycat> There doesn't appear to be a
task-standard to re-attempt the standard install. You'll just
have to install the things one by one as you find them missing.
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2337[16:03:22] <thurstylark> alrighty, then...
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2338[16:03:24] <greycat> Or maybe run tasksel and pray? I have no
idea.
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2341[16:04:35] <thurstylark> So, really, the only list of the
packages expected to be in a "standard" install is in the
installer?
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2343[16:04:51] <greycat> I don't know. Did tasksel help?
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2347[16:05:26] <greycat> I don't see Standard in mine, but I
don't know what populates it.
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2349[16:06:12] <thurstylark> not much. It only gave me options
for DEs and web servers and sshd and such.
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2350[16:06:14] <greycat> Oh holy shit, there's no way OUT of
it !!
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2352[16:06:28] <greycat> Gods fuck what did it DO
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2354[16:06:49] <BluesKaj> gotta end the session
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2355[16:06:56] <thurstylark> Fuck it, I'm just gonna
reinstall.
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2359[16:07:02] <greycat> I thought not-selecting-anything would
just get me out, but NOOOOOO
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2360[16:07:29] <contrapunctus> greycat: just what happened there
o.O
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2363[16:07:45] <greycat> It just started REMOVING things at warp
speed, and Ctrl-C did not work.
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2364[16:07:58] <thurstylark> waooooww
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2366[16:08:02] <contrapunctus> o_o
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2368[16:08:14] <contrapunctus> shoot whoever made it.
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2376[16:09:07] <contrapunctus> HP ProBook laptop, Cinnamon DE,
Debian Stable. Clicking 'Shut Down' (from the options
given after pressin the power button) always restarts the system.
How can I fix this?
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2379[16:09:40] <BluesKaj> greycat: that's why i use yakuake,
one can end the session immediately
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2386[16:10:28] <linuxthefish> contrapunctus, does "shutdown
-h now" work?
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2387[16:10:28] <greycat> If I had known it was a trap, I would
have killed the process from another terminal.
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2388[16:10:42] <linuxthefish> lol greycat
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2390[16:11:05] <contrapunctus> (for a second there I read that as
"Debian Stale".)
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2392[16:11:14] <Agiofws> hello
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2399[16:13:27] <contrapunctus> linuxthefish: wat. It resulted in
a restart, too!
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2401[16:13:44] <thurstylark> Here's a question. If I want to
install the firmware package for my NIC into the netinst system just
to perform the install, how do I go about that? If I switch ttys, it
says dpkg isn't found.
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2403[16:14:11] <MikeDebian> hello all. I'll soon have 2
migrate 2 servers from their own 1 TB single drivers to a 2TB RAID 1
(2 disks of 2TB for each server). The servers are a Dell T20 and a
T30. Both of them are running debian 8. My first question is should
I use the software raid controller these servers provide to form a
big one disk (raid) or should I use linux software raid? Which one
would be better?
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2404[16:14:30] <greycat> thurstylark: normally you get the
netinst image with nonfree firmware
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2406[16:14:40] <greycat> !firmware image
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2407[16:14:41] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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2411[16:15:45] <Agiofws> i downloaded debian cd which has also
got debian 9 installer option so i choose that option and installed
it on a /dev/sdb which is a usb stick plugged into my host when i
was asked to install grub onto the first hard drive i answered
negatively and then i was asked where to install grub and i selected
/dev/sdb then i let the installation finish and i tried to boot off
the stick but it just sits there saying "booting from usb"
doing
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2412[16:15:45] <Agiofws> nothing does anyone have any clue why
its not booting off usb? and i have checked the data on the stich
there is a boot folder with grub installed which grub.cfg
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2413[16:16:04] <thurstylark> Jesus, a 3.6G iso just to get my nic
working in the installer??
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2414[16:16:46] <cheapie> thurstylark: Try this one:
replaced-url
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2415[16:16:58] <Agiofws> linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64
root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet
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2416[16:17:05] <cheapie> "Only" 324MBe
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2417[16:17:08] <cheapie> MB*
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2418[16:17:11] <MikeDebian> Agiofws, you should try to install it
on UEFI mode
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2419[16:17:24] <thurstylark> cheapie: Ahh. Ok, that makes better
sense. Thanks
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2420[16:17:36] <Agiofws> MikeDebian, the host is not a uefi bios
motherboard
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2422[16:18:55] <linuxthefish> contrapunctus, strange never heard
of that before! check in your BIOS settings for anything related to
power states or "shutdown -H now" for halting the system
after shut down and hold down the power switch as a temporary
solution
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2423[16:19:06] <MikeDebian> so the thing is that you can't
likely have a partition table on the USB stick
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2424[16:19:08] <Agiofws> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id
Type
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2425[16:19:19] <MikeDebian> then the PC won't know how to
boot from it.
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2426[16:19:19] <Agiofws> i don't know what to do
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2429[16:19:50] <MikeDebian> get an external hard drive to play
with instead of the USB stick
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2431[16:20:07] <cheapie> Or get a board with a not-broken BIOS :P
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2432[16:20:10] <Agiofws> i want to install debian on a usb stick
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2434[16:20:48] <Agiofws> it won't boot not even on a
different host
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2435[16:20:58] <cheapie> I'd try installing GRUB again, if I
were you.
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2436[16:20:59] <MikeDebian> so find another one in which debian
is able to create a partition table and its partitions of course
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2437[16:21:30] <Agiofws> i can manually create a partition table
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2438[16:21:46] <cheapie> MikeDebian: You can create a partition
table on any flash drive, it doesn't have to be anything
special.
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2439[16:21:48] <Agiofws> but i let the installer install debian 9
on the whole partition
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2440[16:22:02] <petn-randall> Agiofws: Does your BIOS even
support USB-HDD booting?
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2441[16:22:05] <MikeDebian> cheapie, some faulty usb may not
allow it
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2442[16:22:07] <petn-randall> (not all do)
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2443[16:22:13] <Agiofws> petn-randall, yes it does
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2444[16:22:15] <linuxthefish> Agiofws check if the boot flag for
the partition grub is installed on, some BIOS's are picky about
it
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2446[16:22:28] <Agiofws> yes boot flag was on
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2449[16:22:54] <Agiofws> sdb1 for grub and sdb2 for / file + user
system ?
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2450[16:23:30] <cheapie> You could try going through the
installer again, making sure you select to create a new GPT
partition table, a 1MB-ish biosgrub partition, and then the rest
however you want.
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2452[16:24:05] <Agiofws> gpt ?
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2454[16:24:18] <Agiofws> what file system?
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2456[16:24:37] <Agiofws> 2 primary partitions?
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2457[16:24:46] <cheapie> GPT should be used for all new partition
tables unless you have a reason to do otherwise. MBR is obsolete.
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2458[16:24:55] <Agiofws> sdb0 and sdb1 ?
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2460[16:25:05] <greycat> partition devices start with 1, not 0
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2461[16:25:19] <Agiofws> these hosts are old so they don;t have
eufi bioses installed
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2462[16:25:42] <cheapie> For the FS type, create a very small
(~1MB) partition first (/dev/sdb1), and select "Reserved BIOS
boot area". Then create /dev/sdb2 for your root FS, and pick
ext4.
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2464[16:25:59] <cheapie> You can use GPT without EFI just fine.
This isn't Windows :)
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2465[16:27:13] <linuxthefish> <Agiofws> i downloaded debian
cd which has also got debian 9 installer option so i choose that
option and installed it on a /dev/sdb which is a usb stick plugged
into my host when i was asked to install grub onto the first hard
drive i answered negatively and then i was asked where to install
grub and i selected /dev/sdb
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2466[16:27:15] <linuxthefish> are you sure you didn't
install debian onto the USB stick with the installer on? if you did
install it from USB check the partition table on the USB you
installed from
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2467[16:27:46] <Agiofws> is there a way to instal brub again on
the usbstick with out me going through the process of installing
debian for the third time?
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2468[16:28:28] <Agiofws> what should i check?
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2469[16:28:29] <cheapie> You can boot the installer CD in
"rescue mode", which will allow you to reinstall GRUB.
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2471[16:31:09] <Agiofws>
replaced-url
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2472[16:31:23] <Agiofws> linuxthefish, are you sure you
didn't install debian onto the USB stick with the installer on?
?
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2476[16:33:34] <greycat> bug#868892
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2478[16:33:47] <greycat> ,bug 868892
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2479[16:33:48] <judd> Sorry, the requested bug was not found.
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2480[16:33:55] <linuxthefish> Agiofws if you installed from a CD
ignore that question lol
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2481[16:33:56] <greycat> Must be a caching thing.
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2485[16:34:41] <linuxthefish> Agiofws did you do manual
partitioning or guided partitioning?
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2495[16:38:15] <petn-randall> bug #868892 should be enough for
the bot.
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2500[16:38:40] <greycat> I'm guessing the bot hasn't
refreshed whatever it needs to refresh to pick up a bug that was
only created in the last few minutes.
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2501[16:38:45] * petn-randall pokes judd.
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2502[16:38:47] <Circuitsoft> Hello, running Jessie (haven't
migrated to Stretch yet), can I make pcf fonts visible to
Fontconfig?
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2504[16:40:03] <linuxthefish> greycat i think tasksel shows the
already installed tasks pre-selected? pressing OK for me does
nothing
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2507[16:40:42] <greycat> I'm guessing it did an equivalent
of "apt-get autoremove"
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2509[16:40:55] <Circuitsoft> "fc-cache -vf
/path/to/fonts" shows "/path/to/fonts: caching, new cache
contents: 0 fonts, 0 dirs"
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2512[16:41:47] <linuxthefish> "debconf-apt-progress --
apt-get -q -y -o APT::Install-Recommends=true -o
APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=true -o APT::Acquire::Retries=3 install
task-print-server- task-desktop- task-ssh-server-" is what it
runs for me if i unselect everything
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2576[17:10:18] <thadtheman> How can I generate a list of packages
I need to install before building another package?
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2577[17:10:29] <greycat> apt-get build-dep pkgname
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2578[17:12:18] <mertyildiran> I uploaded a package to mentors.
It's automatically rejected by the system because of a
signature issue. I fixed the issue but now I'm unable to upload
it. I'm getting "Package has already been uploaded to
mentors on mentors.debian.net" error/warning. What should I do?
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2579[17:12:19] <thadtheman> greycat: No that
"installs"all the packages. It does not generate a list of
them. ( Well OK maybe somewhere deep in the bowels of the output. )
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2581[17:12:39] <greycat> I guess you could add --print-uris. What
are you REALLY trying to do, though?
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2586[17:13:25] <petn-randall> mertyildiran: I'd ask in
#debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, they'll be likely to help you.
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2588[17:15:09] <mertyildiran> petn-randall: irc.debian.org or
irc.oftc.net?
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2589[17:15:16] <thadtheman> greycat: generate a list of packages
that I need to install to build another package.
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2590[17:15:20] <petn-randall> mertyildiran: both point to the
same.
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2593[17:15:38] <mertyildiran> petn-randall: OK thank you.
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2594[17:15:47] <greycat> thadtheman: why do you want to NOT
install them, if you actually need them?
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2596[17:17:07] <thadtheman> Because I don't want to
uninstall them then delete them. INstallation of packages is a
entropy ridden process.
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2598[17:18:04] <greycat> ... secret motives. Fine, do as thou
wilt.
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2599[17:18:07] <petn-randall> !xy problem
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2600[17:18:07] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
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2601[17:18:13] <petn-randall> thadtheman: ^^^ ?
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2608[17:19:57] <jelly> dpkg, tell thadtheman about mk-build-deps
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2624[17:25:45] <ssarah> hei hei
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2625[17:26:19] <ssarah> is doing /etc/init.d/service_name start
the same as service service_name start ?
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2626[17:27:14] <jelly> pretty much
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2629[17:28:02] <jelly> sometimes the init script is different
from then systemd service unit, but debian's init scripts
handle that case gracefully
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2633[17:30:58] <petn-randall> ssarah: 'service foo
start' is init-system-agnostic, so should be preferred if you
use several different OSes/releases.
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2637[17:32:12] <ssarah> i see
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2638[17:32:18] <ssarah> thanks petn-randall
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2642[17:33:49] <kallenp> Hi All, please, is here anyone, who can
help me directly throught TeamViewer with nginx rewrite
configuration ?
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2644[17:34:29] <greycat> If TeamViewer is free software and has
its own channel, I'd go there. Otherwise, to #nginx.
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2658[17:43:53] <unborn> kallenp: greycat ; while teamviewer is
great peace of software - ist not open source also have some
difficulties to run on debian 8 and 9.. kallenp whatever you looking
for regards the teamviewer - you should ask them eg teamviewer.com I
think is the website.. as solution just go and as nginx channel or
ask pros on that channel. I repeat despite teamviewer is nice peace
of software - it is not open source and it should be restricted from
usage in linux.
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2662[17:44:19] <petn-randall> kallenp: Sounds like you're
looking for paid support.
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2663[17:44:24] <unborn> kallenp: as greycat him self said....
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2670[17:46:22] <ssarah> what is the apt full-upgrade equivalent
too, in terms of apt-get ? i usually go apt-get
update&&apt-get dist-upgrade -y &&apt-get autoremove
--purge -y&&apt-get autoclean -y
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2671[17:46:37] <greycat> full-upgrade and dist-upgrade are the
same
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2674[17:46:54] <ssarah> i see
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2677[17:47:39] <ssarah> so apt has no autoremove or autoclean ?
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2678[17:48:14] <unborn> ssarah: I never do auto remove but you
should be fine with apt update && apt upgrade - y
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2680[17:49:16] <ssarah> hmmm
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2681[17:49:20] <ssarah> i like cleaning the stuff
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2685[17:49:42] <unborn> I like reading terminal..
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2687[17:49:54] <badsektor> isn't there an apt-get purge?
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2689[17:49:59] <abrotman> that clears teh cache
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2690[17:50:02] <abrotman> eh, no
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2691[17:50:04] <abrotman> misread
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2694[17:50:16] <abrotman> apt-get clean will clear downloaded
cache
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2697[17:51:00] <thurstylark> I'm trying to assemble an md
array that was created by another system, but when I do `mdadm
--assemble /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1` it errors with "mdadm: device
/dev/sdb1 exists but is not an md array." How can I fix this?
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2700[17:51:06] <abrotman> badsektor: but I don't think that
does what ssarah is asking. I think they want to have it remove
packages that are no longer needed
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2705[17:52:15] <badsektor> abrotman: hmm ok
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2709[17:53:47] <unborn> abrotman: I think apt would advice to
individual how to proceed - no?
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2710[17:54:43] <abrotman> proceed on what?
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2712[17:55:27] <unborn> perhaps it was old times aka apt-get
autoremove etc.. hack I stopped using apt-get since 8 months ago and
I do not remember,,,
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2715[17:56:10] <unborn> apt-get for me = apt command...
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2725[17:58:55] <greycat> I switched back to apt-get because I
like knowing what's going to happen, without garish colors that
I can't read, etc. Just personal preference.
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2726[17:59:08] <greycat> Use whatever you like.
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2733[18:00:36] <somiaj> I still use apt-get out of mussle memory.
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2748[18:08:36] <ssarah> apt is prettier
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2749[18:08:39] <ssarah> it has that progress bar thing
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2750[18:08:56] <ssarah> but without the cleaning part i just use
it for single installs
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2753[18:09:14] * unborn I agree with ssarah :)
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2763[18:13:25] <realbadhorse> Is it alright to ask package
specific help? If im problem running a certain program..
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2770[18:15:00] <thurstylark> why is the sshd service named
ssh.service? -_-
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2772[18:17:02] <burkdorf> Anyone running testing know what's
up with virtualbox? I recently updated to 4.11 and the upgrade
didn't install a new kernel module. Now I check today and
virtualbox is gone from pkg lists?
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2776[18:19:01] <somiaj> burkdorf: virtualbox was removed from
testing during the release of stretch.
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2782[18:20:24] <burkdorf> somiaj: oh I see? Is it not possible to
install it anymore?
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2784[18:20:57] <somiaj> if using testing, you should be asking in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net, in this case I think installing from
sid will work.
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2788[18:22:06] <burkdorf> I see, thanks
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2834[18:36:42] <unborn> thurstylark: would you mind to ask your
question at the source eg #sshd or #ssh - thanks?
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2835[18:39:46] <thurstylark> Does the source provide that unit?
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2839[18:40:24] <somiaj> dpkg -S /path/to/unit will tell you what
provides it.
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2840[18:40:24] <dpkg> Badgers ate my /path/to/unit will tell you
what provides it.!
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2843[18:41:10] <somiaj> thurstylark: but in debian even back in
the days of sysv, the init script was called ssh, not sshd, seems
they are just sticking with this convention.
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2844[18:41:16] <greycat> Debian named it ssh.service and created
sshd.service as an Alias so users can type "systemctl status
sshd" and still get an answer, and also to confuse you.
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2846[18:41:39] <thurstylark> lovely
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2847[18:41:39] <somiaj> you might be able to find old
bugs/mailing lists or a changelog entry describing this, but at this
point it might just be convention in debian to name the service ssh
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2848[18:41:47] <thurstylark> ugh
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2850[18:42:34] <somiaj> also check /etc/services, port 22 is for
the ssh service not sshd, so seems the convention is to call the
service ssh
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2851[18:42:50] <thurstylark> wat
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2852[18:42:59] <thurstylark> how does that make sense
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2853[18:43:02] <petn-randall> thurstylark: Regarding your mdadm
question you need to check the man page, you're providing
/dev/sdb1 as name for the array.
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2858[18:43:38] <petn-randall> thurstylark: What is the problem?
You can both type ssh and sshd for the unit, so it's catering
everyone's needs.
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2860[18:44:07] <unborn> thurstylark: depends how you read the
answers however newbie or old king would be same - so - they did
explain you everything
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2861[18:44:22] <thurstylark> petn-randall: Ahh. I didn't
realize it was array member-1 member-n...
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2882[18:52:14] <eugenez> Hello, friends! I'm more or less
experienced with linux (CentOs, Arch, Ubuntu), but I cannot for the
life of me figure out debian repositories. I have Debian 9 installed
(with stretch repos in sources.list) I need dokuwiki package. It
won't find it. According to the internet it is in jessie and
buster. What do I do?
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2884[18:53:16] <greycat> ,v dokuwiki
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2885[18:53:18] <judd> Package: dokuwiki on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.0.20120125b-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.0.20120125b-2+deb7u1;
jessie: 0.0.20140505.a+dfsg-4; buster: 0.0.20160626.a-2; sid:
0.0.20160626.a-2
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2886[18:53:51] <greycat> ,checkbackport dokuwiki
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2887[18:53:53] <judd> Backporting package dokuwiki in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch.
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2889[18:54:15] <greycat> The correct answer, then, would be to
build a backport of the dokuwiki package on stretch from a buster or
sid deb-src.
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2890[18:54:19] <unborn> ......its there in synaptic..
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2891[18:54:52] <eugenez> Thanks! I'll google that then! :)
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2892[18:55:51] <unborn> eugenez: just do apt install docuwiki - I
think it would be on.. no google spy on.
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2894[18:55:57] <greycat> !tell eugenez about simple sid backport
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2942[19:23:22] <eugenez> okay, I think I did it. Is there a good
place to start to read on what I just did and why it was needed to
begin with?
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2946[19:23:52] <eugenez> not just commands, but how it works
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2951[19:25:50] <greycat> If you're asking "why
isn't dokuwiki in stretch", it gets complicated. We can
start with:
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2952[19:25:55] <greycat> !why isn't dokuwiki in stretch
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2953[19:25:58] <greycat> !why isn't dokuwiki in testing
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2954[19:25:59] <dpkg> dokuwiki is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
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2956[19:26:32] <greycat> Says it was removed from testing (which
stretch was, at the time) on 2017-04-04
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2959[19:27:09] <greycat> Then if you click the link on that page,
it leads to another page, which mentions bug #854592
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2960[19:27:10] <judd> Bug
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2962[19:27:47] <forcerecon> is there any way to check integrity
of your system
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2963[19:27:47] <forcerecon> I know that is vague
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2964[19:28:00] <forcerecon> let me rephrase.. is there a log I
can check to see if anything is going wrong or if there are any
errors in the system
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2965[19:28:03] <somiaj> debsum
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2967[19:28:19] <somiaj> sorry, debsums is a way to check the
packages are good
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2969[19:28:33] <somiaj> there are also things like rootkit
hunters/checkers that can check for things that are changing.
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2973[19:29:28] <somiaj> forcerecon: as for logs, there are lots
of logs in /var/log, and you could isntall something like logwatch
to look through your logs and send you info about it
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2974[19:29:30] <RBoreal_Frippery> Hello, I am working on a
reapberry pi trying to solve an issue where SSH will not run at
startup. It is a headless machine so I can only really work on it by
editing filesystem before booting. I get the message: sshd[1062]:
Missing privilege separation directory: /var/run/sshd However that
directory does exist.
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2976[19:29:45] <somiaj> RBoreal_Frippery: if you are using
raspbian, you should ask raspbian
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2977[19:29:49] <somiaj> !raspbian
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2978[19:29:49] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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2979[19:29:50] <greycat> /var/run is probably transient
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2981[19:30:16] <greycat> Ask #raspbian how to ensure this subdir
of /var/run gets created at the appropriate time during startup.
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2982[19:30:40] <RBoreal_Frippery> ok...
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2983[19:30:42] <RBoreal_Frippery> thanks
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2999[19:38:35] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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3076[20:13:39] <cybrNaut> yikes..
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3079[20:14:55] <sonOfRa> no debian branding on it, doesn't
look official at all
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3081[20:15:04] <cybrNaut> cool
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3082[20:15:14] <greycat> What even possessed you to go there?
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3083[20:15:19] <sypher> Why do we care?
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3085[20:15:30] <cybrNaut> i could only see that the logo was
debian
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3086[20:15:55] <cybrNaut> greycat: came up in a search for
"debian fast mirror package"
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3087[20:16:05] <cybrNaut> (on searx.me)
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3089[20:16:18] <greycat> !mirrors
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3090[20:16:19] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is
<deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at
replaced-url
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3094[20:17:07] <cybrNaut> netselect-apt is in fact the direction
I went
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3097[20:17:37] <cybrNaut> but now i seem to recall that
deb.debian.org automatically load-balances or something.. maybe
i'm overcomplicating things
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3099[20:17:46] <greycat> It does.
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3101[20:18:10] <cybrNaut> okay, i'll drop netselect-apt
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3106[20:19:48] <greycat> Given that all of the main mirror
choices are round robins or auto-thingies, I wouldn't trust a
one-time speed tester like netselect-apt to give a viable long term
sources.list
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3113[20:24:32] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
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3117[20:26:04] <pankgeorg> Hi all, can some one email me -
nickname at gmail - guidelines on how to update a translation? I
don't know how to do it and it seems utterly weird and
complicated. Any help truly appreciated.
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3119[20:26:40] <greycat> Oh yes, we'll all rush to send you
our email addresses.
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3121[20:27:01] <greycat> ...
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3126[20:29:19] <pankgeorg> @greycat dots for me?
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3129[20:30:01] <greycat> Why even bother responding again,
you'll just disappear again and not see the response, again.
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3130[20:30:04] <cybrNaut> ,p onionbalance
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3131[20:30:16] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: people are unlikely to
email a stranger on IRC.
replaced-url
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3132[20:30:45] <abrotman> There are channels on OFTC for
localization and internationalization
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3137[20:32:26] <pankgeorg> @greycat, sorry lost conn. I get an
email every day because some idiot spoiled the translation. I have
the choice to unsubscribe or fix it and I go for the 2nd
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3138[20:33:31] <pankgeorg> @jmcnaught sorry but this site sukcs,
at least for the /Greek
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3151[20:37:13] <JohnCub> question: I'm running deb9 and I
uninstalled atop. Now I get emails from cron saying "Failed to
restart atop.service: Unit atop.service is masked.". The
subject of the mail is "Cron <root@Jessie> if [ -d
"/run/systemd/system" ]; then systemctl restart atop; else
/usr/share/atop/atop.daily \& ; fi". I checked crontab -e
as root and there's no such entry. Any idea where I should look
to find the root of
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3152[20:37:13] <cybrNaut> ,v onionbalance
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3153[20:37:14] <judd> Package: onionbalance on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 0.1.4-1~bpo8+1; buster: 0.1.6-1; sid: 0.1.6-1;
stretch: 0.1.6-1; experimental: 0.1.8-2
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3154[20:37:19] <JohnCub> this?
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3155[20:38:43] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: perhaps the translation
coordinator or the mailing list on that …/Greek page will be
more helpful
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3160[20:40:07] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: there's also a chapter
on internationalization and translations in the Debian
Developer's Reference
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3168[20:41:57] <pankgeorg> @jmcnaught the guy gets a mail every
day since 23 June and has responded nothing. I'm not sure he is
alive. I will read the DDR and come back if I don't make it.
Can I make a motion to become the translation coordinator?
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3171[20:43:00] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: it would like require a
track record of contributions and positive community interactions.
Did you subscribe to the mailing list?
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3176[20:44:01] <pankgeorg> @jmcnaught I am subscribed since
forever but I only have a small track record.
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3177[20:44:36] <pankgeorg> @jmcnaught anyway one step at a time,
let's see how I go with DDR.
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3179[20:45:25] <jmcnaught> pankgeorg: there is also a general
team and mailing list, not Greek specific:
replaced-url
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3182[20:46:10] <lifeboy> I'm trying to set up a systemd
service in Jessie. The command I add in the ExecStart line work 100%
from the commandline as root, but in the startup service is fails.
systemctl status autossh doesn't give a reason. How do I get
more detail?
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3189[20:47:13] <zuluz> Is Debian 9 a topic for #debian-next?
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3191[20:47:26] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: can you make a paste of
"systemtl status autossh"?
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3192[20:47:33] <jmcnaught> zuluz: the future is now! Debian 9 is
stable
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3195[20:48:20] <zuluz> I am running a Debian 9 Gnome AMD live iso
from the offical download page. I have successfully installed twice,
but my VM continues to fail to recognize my root password
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3196[20:48:31] <zuluz> I assure you this is not the infamous
"caps lock" issue
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3200[20:48:57] <zuluz> Password is accepted by sudo -s, but my
user is not in the sudoers file
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3202[20:49:04] <greycat> !stretch
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3203[20:49:04] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current
<stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17.
"Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see
replaced-url
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3205[20:49:14] <zuluz> su gives me:
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3206[20:49:14] <zuluz> zuluz@zuluz:/etc$ su Password: su:
Authentication failure
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3207[20:49:20] <jmcnaught> zuluz: others have reported similar
problems here. We recommend installing Debian using installer
images, not the live ones.
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3210[20:49:32] <zuluz> Thank you jmcnaught
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3213[20:49:37] <greycat> zuluz: this is a known issue if one
installs from the "live" images
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3214[20:49:53] <jmcnaught> #866206
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3215[20:49:54] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3216[20:50:04] <zuluz> At least you know I'm not crazy. :D
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3218[20:50:16] <greycat> You may be crazy, but you're not
alone.
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3219[20:50:21] <zuluz> xD
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3220[20:50:41] <lifeboy> jmcnaught, here it is:
replaced-url
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3222[20:51:06] <lifeboy> Authentication is handles with keys
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3223[20:51:22] <zuluz> welp, time to download iso and re-install
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3224[20:51:29] <zuluz> Thanks again, o7
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3226[20:51:36] <lifeboy> s/handles/handled/
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3233[20:53:54] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: on line 24 of your paste,
there's an error code 217 there
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3234[20:55:03] <lifeboy> Ah, I think I see the error. The
user=autossh in line 8 doesn't match my ssh user
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3239[20:57:36] <lifeboy> jmcnaught: I'm testing as root, so
if I set user=root, it should work, not? It doesn't and gives
the same error
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3241[20:57:53] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: does the autossh user exist?
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3242[20:58:07] <lifeboy> no, I'm using 'roland'
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3244[20:58:16] <greycat> Well, you need to find out why it's
failing, perhaps by looking up what status 217 means.
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3246[20:58:29] <greycat> That's unusual enough that it might
be a good clue.
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3247[20:59:03] <greycat> Also find out whether autossh logs
somewhere on disk, also see whether you can increase its verbosity.
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3249[20:59:36] <jhutchins_wk> JohnCub: ls /etc/cron*
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3252[21:00:51] <elvirolo> hi
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3253[21:01:15] <elvirolo> is it possible to force an NFS version
server-side on jessie?
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3254[21:01:30] <JohnCub> jhutchins_wk: thanks, a grep in there
showed the issue.
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3255[21:01:43] <kaboutur> they finally deleted nfs/portmapper
from the rc.X scripts
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3257[21:01:52] <jhutchins_wk> elvirolo: Yes, you configure which
protocols it allows.
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3259[21:02:22] <JohnCub> well, in /etc/cron.d/
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3260[21:02:35] <elvirolo> jhutchins: thanks. I can't find
how to do that
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3262[21:03:00] <elvirolo> NFS4 only needs port 2048 to be open,
right?
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3271[21:07:36] <mns> anyone have an idea as to why Kotlin is not
available in Debian ?
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3273[21:07:57] <apollo13> because noone packaged it?
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3277[21:09:05] <jmcnaught> ,wnpp kotlin
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3278[21:09:07] <judd> Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found.
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3279[21:09:12] <mns> apollo13: ahh ok I thought it might be
licensing or something like that.
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3280[21:09:17] <mns> whats wnpp ?
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3281[21:09:25] <apollo13> mns: could also be, that also results
in not packaging ;)
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3282[21:09:33] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
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3284[21:09:44] <apollo13> but I doubt they would license a
compiler in a way incomptabile with debian
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3285[21:09:45] <jmcnaught> !rfp
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3286[21:09:45] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask
for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See
replaced-url
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3298[21:16:54] <alive876> hi, i'm on a shared shell debian
9, to have a package installed, i need to make a request. Does
anyone know the command for this?
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3303[21:18:24] <jmcnaught> alive876: are you asking which command
to use to install a package? Or which command to use to request your
sysadmin to install a package?
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3309[21:20:44] <alive876> jmcnaught command to sysop
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3316[21:25:02] <jmcnaught> alive876: this isn't a standard
feature, you should just email your provider or use whatever method
of communication they've provided
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3317[21:25:14] <alive876> ok thanks
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3332[21:30:52] <lifeboy> greycat, it seems that the user=autossh
is merely the user that runs the service. I have tried root and
removed the user= line, but I still get the error.
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3333[21:31:30] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: do the autossh user exist?
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3334[21:32:13] <lifeboy> no, I have changed that like I said. The
original script has that user, but I made a new one.
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3337[21:33:11] <jmcnaught> lifeboy: and you ran "systemctl
daemon-reload" after changing the service unit file?
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3339[21:34:26] <lifeboy> Yes, I did that. Here's the updated
paste:
replaced-url
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3341[21:35:37] <lifeboy> As you can see, no errors, but the
service isn't running
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