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8[00:14:07] <Guest1798> so I have four ip addresses on my
server and currently trying to make openvpn work in a "dynamic
way". a lot of people told me to accomplish this by creating a
dummy interface and adding x ip to it. that's what I did. and
it worked. but when I connect to my vpn using openvpn and that
specific ip address, it will never show the same ip address for
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9[00:14:07] <Guest1798> e.g: when I visit icanhazip.com. it
will rather show the "main" ip address -- on the eth0
interface. why is that? am I doing smth wrong? I appreciate any help
or advice
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10[00:14:56] <cws> The host routing the traffic to the internet
doesn't care which IP was used to connect to openvpn.
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11[00:15:17] <cws> All it sees is "send this packet to the
internet," and so it does, using the interface's primary
address.
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12[00:15:58] <Guest1798> in this case what could I do
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14[00:16:08] <cws> Nothing. That's just how routing works.
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15[00:16:40] <cws> Well, I say "nothing." That's
not quite true.
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16[00:17:11] <cws> But I've never configured what is
basically a NAT pool and everything that that involves.
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17[00:17:24] <Guest1798> I'm almost sure there's a
way to make it actually connect to the IP I want, and it being sent
back to me when doing curl icanhazip.com
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19[00:17:30] <Guest1798> But yeah I'm out of ideas lol
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20[00:17:39] <cws> Why is it so important that that happens?
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21[00:17:51] <cpjulia> hello guys could anyone please help me
with kurento?
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22[00:18:47] <Guest1798> I don't see a point of the ip
addresses like that, then to whatever IP I connect it will still be
seen as the main public address, what I'm trying to make it is
work dynamic
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23[00:18:59] <cws> Okay, but why?
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24[00:19:37] <cws> Is this a single OpenVPN server listening on
multiple addresses, or are these individual OpenVPN servers running
on the same machine, each bound to a different IP?
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25[00:19:48] <Guest1798> so I can switch between ip addresses
with openvpn, each IP has a different countrycode
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26[00:20:00] <cws> IPs don't have country codes.
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27[00:20:33] <Guest1798> well yeah, that's dependant on
geoip dbs, but still
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28[00:21:18] <Guest1798> by the way it's nothing special
just a debian box with four ip addresses and a basic openvpn setup
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29[00:21:24] <cws> "basic" tells me nothing.
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30[00:21:41] <Guest1798> what do you wanna know
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32[00:21:47] <cws> The question I already asked.
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33[00:21:50] <cws> Is this a single OpenVPN server listening on
multiple addresses, or are these individual OpenVPN servers running
on the same machine, each bound to a different IP?
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34[00:22:41] <cws> And how are you confirming that these
addresses actually appear to be in different countries?
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35[00:22:52] <Guest1798> just a simple geoip lookup
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37[00:23:25] <cws> mkay
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39[00:23:38] <Guest1798> by the way, the latter of what you
said above in the question
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40[00:23:53] <cws> Yeah, that's hardly a "basic"
setup.
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42[00:24:38] <cws> In that case, you could try to configure
your NAT rules on the host to use a given translation IP based on
the source subnet of the traffic. Each different openvpn instance
will have a different subnet.
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44[00:25:01] <cws> So you can identify from which instance
traffic originates, and set the outbound translation IP accordingly.
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46[00:25:12] <cws> As for the how, that's up to you to
figure out based on how you set up NAT in the first place.
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47[00:26:21] <Guest1798> I see. thanks for this info
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94[00:59:50] <l0rd_hex> Hi Debianos! My son, Spray, is
extremely allergic to grub. Can I install debian with syslinux
instead?
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97[01:01:30] <oxek> how about systemd-boot instead?
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100[01:03:33] <l0rd_hex> oxek: I haven't used it before...
is it possible to install it directly from the installer?
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102[01:03:57] <l0rd_hex> if even a little grub gets on his
filesystem he gets all Debian 7.0
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103[01:04:00] <oxek> probably not through the guided installer,
but you can drop to console from the installer
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104[01:04:25] <oxek> oh I have no idea about debian 7.0,
anything <10 has been purged from my memory
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105[01:04:28] <cws> What is the problem with grub exactly?
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106[01:04:48] <l0rd_hex> oxek: Debian 7.0 is "Wheezy"
so my son gets wheezy
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108[01:05:04] <oxek> l0rd_hex: don't.
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109[01:05:10] <oxek> no security support for 7.0 anymore
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110[01:05:29] <l0rd_hex> oxek: it's just a joke, brah.
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111[01:05:49] <cws> I think he's trying to crack a joke,
but to be quite frank, if you're that picky about which
bootloader is used, then you should be able to handle this yourself.
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112[01:05:57] <l0rd_hex> i.e. someone having an allergic
reaction might get wheezy (trouble breathing)
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113[01:06:06] <oxek> ugh
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114[01:06:10] <l0rd_hex> yeah.
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117[01:06:52] <l0rd_hex> the trouble with grub started many
years ago when rms ate something he pulled off of his foot during a
meeting, footgate we called it at the time
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119[01:07:43] <l0rd_hex> TBH I personally don't really care
for grub's configuration, I find it way to complicated and
prefer syslinux but I've never had luck installing Debian with
syslinux from, well, the installer
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120[01:08:22] <cws> update-grub
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121[01:08:27] <cws> There, now you don't have to worry
about it.
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122[01:08:32] <l0rd_hex> it's been 11 years, wow:
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123[01:08:38] <oxek> the guided installer just had grub and lilo
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125[01:09:20] <l0rd_hex> I don't mind going down to the
shell to install it I've just never had luck doing it
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127[01:09:36] <cws> Then perhaps you ought to just stick to
grub.
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129[01:09:47] <l0rd_hex> it's too grubby
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130[01:09:56] <cws> This sounds very much like a "you"
problem.
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131[01:10:01] <l0rd_hex> very much so
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132[01:10:07] <cws> Then why waste the channel's time?
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133[01:10:18] <l0rd_hex> but in this case, I've chosen to
blame it on my imaginary son "Spray"
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134[01:10:38] <l0rd_hex> well I thought maybe someone had
sucessfully installed syslinux via the installer
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135[01:11:05] <l0rd_hex> and would be willing to mind-meld with
me behind the local Dairy Queen next to the dumpsters
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136[01:11:32] <l0rd_hex> cws: you sound like you're running
sid
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138[01:13:40] <tosted> hi. is there any way to discovery which
packs were manualy compiled?
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140[01:14:07] <l0rd_hex> tosted: like pacakges installed
manually, not from the repos?
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143[01:15:01] <l0rd_hex> pretty much all of the packages in the
repos were compiled manually at some point :)
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144[01:15:20] <l0rd_hex> but stuff compiled locally into like a
deb and then installed... is that what you're looking for?
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145[01:16:22] <abrotman> dpkg: cruft
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146[01:16:22] <dpkg> it has been said that cruft is a program to
look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but
is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install
it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run.
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155[01:19:57] <l0rd_hex> is the channel limited like that to
avoid splits, or is there still raids and stuff?
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206[02:11:10] <l0rd_hex> Good news everyone! It is possible to
install syslinux via the installer but you need to use "Expert
Install", select "continue without grub", then drop
to a shell and install extlinux (not syslinux!) dd the mbr.bin to
your disk, make a syslinxu directory under /boot and copy the needed
c32 modules into it, then run extlinux --install /boot/syslinux and
you're set, just don't forget to create a
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207[02:11:16] <l0rd_hex> syslinux.cfg. I had to chroot into my
target to be able to install extlinux also
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208[02:11:33] <l0rd_hex> cws: I couldn't have done it
without your rudeness guiding me along, thank you
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210[02:12:18] <l0rd_hex> not sure if this will survive a kernel
update but who knows
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221[02:21:45] <Waxhead> Howdy , is it possible to have multiple
EFI boot partitions , one on each disk in the system so that you
will have a fallback if the first partition somehow gets corrupt.
Will an update then update all EFI partitions or do I need to do
something special - I plan to use BTRFS as root (yes I am) and would
not like the EFI boot partition to be a single point of failure.
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222[02:23:06] <dvs> Waxhead: you can have multiple EFI
partitions but only one of them will be updated by the install.
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223[02:24:04] <Waxhead> dvs: ouch .. so that means that a kernel
update will potentially break the system if the the primary efi boot
partition is toast, (because the others are outdated)....
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224[02:24:51] <dvs> Waxhead: even if the primary efi partition
break, the secondary will still work because it hasn't been
touched.
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226[02:25:10] <Waxhead> but is is not updated by a kernel
update?
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227[02:25:18] <dvs> nope
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228[02:25:26] <Waxhead> e.g. leaving initramfs potentially on a
old version?
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238[02:39:50] <cws> Your initramfs doesn't live on the ESP.
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241[02:42:02] <cheapie> cws: You're making me tempted to do
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242[02:42:49] <dvs> DO IT!
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248[02:47:14] <cws> What, move your initramfs to the ESP, or
make redundant ESPs?
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249[02:48:03] <dvs> sounds like make a redundant ESP
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250[02:48:15] <henko> hi. is it normal when using
buster-backports in the apt sources that some packages can't be
updated? even when I do $ apt full-upgrade?
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251[02:49:14] <henko> and when installing the specitic package
it says: the following packages have unmet dependencies... but it is
not going to be installed
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252[02:49:52] <dvs> we can't help you without specifics
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253[02:49:53] <henko> does that mean that the new backported
packages I installed depend on new libraries which are yet not
backported and thus can't be installed
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255[02:50:23] <cws> if you do it right, you CAN actually put
your ESP on an mdadm raid1.
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257[02:50:36] <cws> And its bootable.
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259[02:51:51] <oxek> henko: backports should be used sparingly.
Provide more info about which packages you're trying to
install/upgrade.
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260[02:53:37] <henko> I am new to backports... I just wanted to
try it out... cuz I wanted to try out sane-airscan
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262[02:53:44] <henko>
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263[02:53:57] <henko> I might as well only update that one
package... but now its too late
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265[02:54:50] <henko>
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267[02:55:25] <oxek> your sources.list is messed up
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269[02:55:30] <oxek> !buster sources.list
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270[02:55:30] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
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271[02:55:35] <oxek> you're missing the main repo
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272[02:56:01] <oxek> ehh, meaning the 'buster' repo
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274[02:56:25] <oxek> (honestly we should just refer to it as
'master' repo or something like that)
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275[02:56:51] <dvs> Oh, they won't be calling it
"master" due to political correctness.
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276[02:57:03] <oxek> dvs: how is 'master' politically
incorrect?
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277[02:58:04] <oxek> the 'buster' (not
buster-backports, not buster-updates, not buster-security) is the
repo that is used to create a master of a debian release
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278[02:58:09] <oxek> analogous to music cd master
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280[02:58:35] <oxek>
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281[02:58:36] <dvs> oxek: it implies "slave"
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282[02:59:04] <oxek> wtf
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289[03:04:16] <tosted> l0rd_hex: yes..pack installed manually,
is a manual compiled, is not?
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291[03:05:43] <henko> oxek: I don't get it... the wiki told
me to it:
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292[03:05:53] <henko> Seems okay for me
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293[03:06:09] <oxek> henko: the wiki says append, whereas you
replaced
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295[03:06:41] <oxek> you're missing completely missing the
most important repo 'deb
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296[03:07:45] <henko> ahh
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297[03:08:00] <oxek> henko: you pretty much want this
replaced-url
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298[03:08:01] <l0rd_hex> tosted: well there's a difference,
if you download the source and did a make / make install thhose are
files thet get installed into the filesystem without a package
manager. There is also the ability to download or assemble a
"deb" (single package) and install that with the package
manager
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299[03:08:51] <l0rd_hex> it depends if you want to know what
files were "make install"-ed vs a deb installed by hand
(not from repo)
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305[03:11:33] <henko> oxek: thanks.. update works now. thanks
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306[03:12:09] <oxek> henko: no problem, and be more careful next
time when editing sources.list, making sure you read instructions
properly :)
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309[03:14:54] <henko> oxek: i will.
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310[03:15:01] <oxek> on a slightly related note, it's a
pity that `apt edit-sources` does not work like `visudo` or `vipw`.
It still allows wrongly formatted sources.list from being written
out.
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315[03:18:27] <henko> ohh I always edited it directly... in
future I will do it with edit-sources... maybe future updates will
behave like this? :)
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316[03:20:37] <oxek> maybe. Someone would have to work on it
though.
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318[03:23:20] <henko> also I have one question. Im planning to
setup bind9 as an authorative nameserver (not publicly recursive)
and would install it via backports. But I've seen that the
version numbers of projects doesn't have to align with the
version numbers of debian packages. In BINDs case they align but
debian adds garbeled mess after the bind version number like here:
bind9 (1:9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5.1+deb10u3
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319[03:23:26] <henko>
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320[03:23:42] <henko> what does P4 and dfsg mean?
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321[03:24:28] <henko> I've looked seemingly everywhere in
the debian wiki and haven't found the meaning behind it
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323[03:26:32] <henko> If I were to also use the newest packages
with new featureset and not only bugfixes - is it safe to install
debian buster with the bind package from testing? or would this be
too risky? broken updates etc.?
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324[03:27:00] <oxek>
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325[03:27:50] <oxek> also `man deb-version`
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327[03:28:49] <henko> s/bugfixes/security fixes/
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328[03:28:57] <themill> henko: "9.11.5.P4" is what
upstream calls it -- patchlevel 4 -- that's nothing to do with
Debian.
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329[03:29:48] <oxek> henko: also ask yourself why you want the
newer package from testing. If you can't find a good reason for
it, then don't do it.
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330[03:29:52] <themill> +dfsg means that non-free crap was
ripped out of the source package before uploading it to Debian. From
memory, bind upstream includes non-free copies of standards that
Debian can't redistribute.
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333[03:31:17] <henko> themill: where would I find that
information when not asking here in IRC?
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334[03:31:54] <henko> is +dfsg used also in other packages? or
is this a package by package convetion by the debian package
maintainer?
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336[03:32:10] <oxek> henko: probably in /usr/share/doc/bind9/
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337[03:32:28] <oxek> the README files have various info
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338[03:33:17] <oxek> the +dfsg is used only in packages where
debian patches had to be applied to them to make them compliant with
Debian Free Software Guidelines
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340[03:33:43] <oxek> !dfsg
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341[03:33:43] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
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342[03:33:50] <henko> that explains the acronym ^^
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343[03:34:45] <henko> okay thanks for the input... I know have
enough read up to do heh
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346[03:35:58] <oxek> henko:
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347[03:36:03] <oxek> lots of reading if you want :)
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348[03:37:25] <themill> henko: the links to the definition of
the version field tell you that the P4 is an upstream thing; common
practices for versions are documented there in policy and in devref
§6.7.8
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351[03:40:02] <oxek> I'll release a software that I'll
version upstream as "jessie+dfsg-1.1+deb10u1". Good luck
to whoever wants to package (and version it) in debian :p
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352[03:40:31] <oxek> gotta love intentionally difficult upstream
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353[03:40:33] <sney> there was a bug due to a too-long version
string not long ago
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354[03:40:34] <henko> oxek: :b
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355[03:41:05] <oxek> sney: oh, like that software that just
increments the number of digits of pi?
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356[03:41:31] <oxek> version 3.14159265358979323846
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357[03:41:48] <sney> #940708
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358[03:41:49] <judd> Bug
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359[03:42:30] <sney> n+1 digits of pi might have been an
improvement lol
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360[03:42:44] <oxek> was
6.2.1+ds+~0.4.0+~4.0.0+really4.0.0+~1.0.0+~5.0.1+ds+~1.7.0+ds+~0.1.1+~0.3.1+~0.2.0+~0.1.0+~0.3.0+~0.3.0-5
real????
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364[03:48:23] <sney> like, clearly they had a problem to solve,
but I can't imagine seeing that mess in d/changelog and
thinking "ah yes, this is a good upload, time for dput"
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367[03:50:14] <oxek> indeed :D
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368[03:50:40] <themill> There are a few language ecosystems that
are pushing the bounds of what it means to distribute software (node
and golang in particular)
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450[05:44:35] <cpjulia> hello, can anyone help me with a kurento
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451[05:44:55] <cpjulia> I know it's more an uubuntu topic,
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453[05:52:23] <rustyshackleford> refurbished dell's are so
cheap
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455[05:54:25] <rustyshackleford> use case is a Plex server
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456[05:54:41] <rustyshackleford> won't be connected to a
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457[05:54:55] <rustyshackleford> do I get a rack mount server or
a tower?
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459[05:55:12] <sney> refurb office pcs are great for a low
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460[05:55:58] <rustyshackleford>
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461[05:56:42] <rustyshackleford> are dell poweredge servers a
good platform to build on?
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462[05:57:19] <sney> bit overkill if all you're running is
plex, but can't argue with that price
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463[05:57:40] <rustyshackleford> 780 Watt power supply
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464[05:57:52] <rustyshackleford> maybe its too power hungry for
a server that will mostly sit idle
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465[05:57:59] <rustyshackleford> all those drive bays though...
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467[05:59:25] <sney> it will be p loud, you will always hear it
unless you have a basement to stash it in. but from a linux
perspective, dell's business stuff is good, yes. all intel
components usually. maybe bnx2 for the nics, but that's
supported too. should pretty much work right out of the box.
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470[06:01:01] <sney> the system fans will throttle down but the
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499[06:50:25] <gry__> hi, ive got an atheros wireless card and
when wireless drops, it doesn't reconnect. here is dmesg
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532[07:36:59] <TheBigK02> jhutchins: why would i print which
kernels are available. i dont udnerstand?
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549[08:12:01] <genr8_> !sns
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550[08:12:02] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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561[08:33:00] <addedman8> hey what is the url for debian'
package ftps?\
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562[08:33:21] <addedman8> i want to dl a few packages but i dont
have debian installed
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568[08:37:54] <jaggz> In debian stable I created two files in
/lib/systemd/system for a service to wait on a port (just a script
that runs when the port is opened)
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570[08:38:03] <jaggz> this isn't working in debian testing
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572[08:38:29] <jaggz> systemctl list-units doesn't show it
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574[08:39:21] <jaggz> I copied the files from one system to the
other then ran systemctl daemon-reload
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577[08:44:34] <TheBigK02> jaggz: try systemctl daemon-reload
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578[08:45:11] <jaggz> again? :)
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580[08:46:08] <TheBigK02> jaggz: if thats not working, try doing
a symlink to /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants
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582[08:46:12] <node1> why i'm getting `NTP service:
inactive` using `timedatectl` while enabling it using `timedatectl
set-ntp true` ?
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585[08:47:15] <TheBigK02> node1: try systemctl enable
systemd-timesyncd
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587[08:48:08] <node1> why not with timedatectl ?
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588[08:48:40] <node1> Active: inactive (dead)
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589[08:48:40] <node1> Condition: start condition failed at Fri
2021-04-09 02:43:09 EDT; 5min ago
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591[08:49:40] <TheBigK02> pastebin outpout of systemctl status
systmed-timesyncd
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592[08:50:09] <jaggz> looks like it failed at startup and you
need to see the logs, node1
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593[08:50:23] <somiaj> jaggz: please don't create/edti
files in /lib/systemd, that is what /etc/systemd is for
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594[08:50:56] <jaggz> here's my testport.socket file, in
/etc/systemd/system/ (and symlinked to it, with the same name, from
the multi-user... subdir)
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595[08:51:07] <node1>
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596[08:51:13] <somiaj> as to your issue, I'm unsure why
debian testing isn't seeing the service
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597[08:51:25] <node1> TheBigK02,
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598[08:52:03] <TheBigK02> node1: do u have an ntp service
running ?
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599[08:52:11] <TheBigK02> *-n
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600[08:52:30] <AquaL1te> during debian package installs, there
are sometimes interactive menus to setup the package. is there a way
to automate the answers? specifically with ansible?
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601[08:52:36] <jaggz> and then this one is in the same dir, and
called testport@.service:
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602[08:52:55] <TheBigK02> AquaL1te: check out fai...
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604[08:53:36] <jaggz> is ntpd installed?
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605[08:53:40] <jaggz> (does it need to be?)
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606[08:53:48] <TheBigK02> nope. thats the point
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607[08:53:57] <TheBigK02> if its installed u cant use timesyncd
from systemd
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608[08:53:59] <jaggz> oh, it's actually just called ntp
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609[08:54:02] <jaggz> ah
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611[08:54:14] <node1> yes ntp is running but it uses local
hardware clock time
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612[08:54:19] <AquaL1te> TheBigK02: how does that answer my
question? this is about a full automated install
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613[08:54:40] <TheBigK02> AquaL1te: yes? that should give u
hints how to automate ur installation? isnt that what u want?
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614[08:54:42] <jaggz> I don't like ntpd anymore anyway. for
years it hits a bunch of servers that I don't even have
configured in its file. and it hits them way too frequently, and
it's ignoring the minimum time between updates that I set in my
config.
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615[08:54:51] <node1> I have set to 127.0.1.1
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616[08:55:20] <jaggz> I got so frustrated messing around with it
to try to figure out why it's doing this that I got rid of it
and just use ntpdate from cron (nice jumps in time I'm sure)
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617[08:55:46] <AquaL1te> TheBigK02: a full automated install !=
answer automated questsions for debian package installs. is it me?
or is the debian community passive aggressive all the time? :)
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618[08:56:04] <jelly-home> node1, so you already have a ntp
service. It doesn't really matter what source it's
configured to trust, doesn't make sense to have two running at
the same time really.
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619[08:56:09] <node1> TheBigK02, Please find this
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621[08:56:52] <TheBigK02> i completely misunderstood u AquaL1te
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622[08:56:57] <node1> I think timedatectl shows my ntp services.
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623[08:57:11] <somiaj> AquaL1te: there are ways to pre-answer
the debconf questions, though looking up the details
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624[08:57:12] <TheBigK02> package install.. not debian
install... i was wrong... my fault
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626[08:58:02] <somiaj> AquaL1te: this seems to have some info
about creating a file you can then use debconf-set-selections with
(you do have to know the questions in advanced though)
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628[08:58:21] <node1> Okay so you have any idea how to set with
CDT time ?
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633[08:59:00] <no_gravity> I want to reset all
options/preferences in LibreOffice. What would be a good way to do
that?
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634[08:59:46] <jelly> node1, changing the timezone does not
change the system clock, timezones are just a cosmetic view.
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635[08:59:48] <jelly> !timezone
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636[08:59:48] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local
time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian
systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively:
"cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that
tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute
"service postfix restart" to update localtime in the
chroot.
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637[08:59:52] <AquaL1te> somiaj: thanks! i'll have a look,
that might indeed be it
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638[08:59:52] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: remove ur config from ur
homedir? but may be do a backup before if u regret ur decision :D
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639[09:00:06] * EdePopede pleas for renaming
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641[09:00:34] <no_gravity> TheBigK02: Where is that config?
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642[09:00:38] <node1> Okay but i would like to sync with CDT
time as my remote vm's are running in CDT time zone.
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644[09:01:10] <jelly> node1, it's the same time, just shown
differently
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645[09:01:28] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: i found something
.config/libreoffice... but there might be more
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647[09:01:41] <jaggz> what is a template service? can't
find an explanation
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648[09:01:44] <jelly> the dpkg bot just told you how to change
it ^
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650[09:01:57] <no_gravity> TheBigK02: I see. Lets see what
happens when I do "mv libreoffice libreoffice_old"
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651[09:02:00] <node1> Alright but i want to make it more user
friendly and human readable. So i'm asking how to make my local
vm into CDT time zone.
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652[09:02:11] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: thats a good way about it
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657[09:02:22] <jelly> node1, <dpkg> A time zone is the
standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the
timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure
tzdata".
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658[09:02:31] <node1> It should show me in CDT time for that
where shall i make configuration
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661[09:02:39] <no_gravity> TheBigK02: Looks like it worked.
Thanks!
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662[09:02:48] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: always welcome :)
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665[09:03:32] <node1> jelly, There are so many options? which
option is suited for CDT time?
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667[09:04:10] <node1> CDT is for centeral US ?
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668[09:04:24] <TheBigK02> node1: i gogled it, yes it seems like
:)
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670[09:04:40] <jaggz> oh, hey, list-unit-files shows my service
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671[09:05:01] <TheBigK02> jaggz: congrats :)
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679[09:09:04] <jaggz> :)
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681[09:09:17] <jaggz> of course, I can't connect to the
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682[09:11:40] <jaggz> hm
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684[09:12:55] <jaggz> "Got no socket"
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685[09:15:20] <jelly> node1, I don't know all the
timezones, sorry. Porbably best to pick a country/city
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686[09:15:40] <jaggz> TheBigK02, restarting the testport.socket
worked.. can connect now
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687[09:15:47] <jaggz> mpg123 is segfaulting.. that's
pleasant
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689[09:16:21] <TheBigK02> jaggz: u got this. i believe :D
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699[09:24:58] <AquaL1te> to add to my previous question about
answering debian package questions, ansible has a nice module for
that:
replaced-url
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705[09:29:43] <jaggz> TheBigK02, not yet. got other issues.
after one connect the port no longer opens.
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706[09:29:54] <jaggz> Restart=always doesn't fix that
either
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707[09:30:01] <jaggz> man.. inetd was so easy
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711[09:33:18] <jaggz> yikes. okay, disabling and re-enabling got
it to work. and now it restarts and the port is available repeatedly
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712[09:33:36] <jaggz> sound doesn't play (it might not have
the env vars set for it to connect to the proper sound dev/server)
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713[09:34:15] <jaggz> BUT, now I have a neat issue. the connect
runs a script that should just run and exit, but when I connected
once.. that worked.. (telnet localhost 7770) .. then a second time
and it stayed connected
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714[09:34:20] <jaggz> that's.. weird
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715[09:34:43] <jaggz> lol.. finally it gave up: Speech
Dispatcher failed to say messageInvalid language en-US!
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716[09:35:02] <jaggz> got that from my client telnet side :)
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723[09:48:32] <jaggz> finally. got it all working.
Restart=always isn't proper either; that re-runs my script
until it maxes out (5 count). so it alerts 5 times :)
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724[09:48:37] <jaggz> on-abort is proper there
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725[09:48:39] <jaggz> I think
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2810[10:53:36] <berkhan> Hi channel! I was looking at the
/etc/hosts file. I already set `127.0.0.1 example.org` but the
software queries DNS from DHCP recommended DNS servers. I'm
currently on Debian Buster. I checked systemd-resolve but it is not
running/enabled. I restarted the `networking` service but nothing
happened.
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2811[10:54:34] <berkhan> Currently using Wireshark to monitor the
trafic
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2813[10:55:05] <ratrace> berkhan: what software? what's in
your /etc/nsswitch.conf for the "hosts:" entry?
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2815[10:55:46] <ratrace> and to be clear I understood what you
said ... you have 127.0.0.1 example org in your hosts, but some
software is resolving "example.org" by querying the DHCP
designated NS servers, correct?
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2816[10:55:55] <ratrace> ie. it's not returning 127.0.0.1
for example.org?
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2818[10:56:36] <berkhan> ratrace: It's a property software.
`/etc/nsswitch.conf` includes `hosts: files mdns4_minimal
[NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname`
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2819[10:57:05] <berkhan> When I ping example.org, I get
127.0.0.1. So, I can say that /etc/hosts is working
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2823[10:58:51] <ratrace> berkhan: right, so whatever proprietary
software you're using there, eiter has its own DNS caching, or
does resolving diffrently from asking glibc like it should.
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2824[10:59:15] <ratrace> berkhan: or is that
containerized/namespaced application and there's different
DNS/nsswitch settings in the namespace?
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2827[11:01:07] <berkhan> ratrace: it might have its own DNS
caching. because I double checked with ping utility and Firefox. I
see 127.0.0.1 when I visit/ping example.org. The software is not
containerized/namespaced application.
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2828[11:01:34] <berkhan> ratrace: but thanks for help!
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2829[11:03:06] <ratrace> berkhan: keep in mind that DoH (DNS over
HTTPS) is now all the rage, and it might be doing that instead of
regular DNS query
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2831[11:04:15] <berkhan> ratrace: I turned off the DoH in Firefox
and looked at the interface usage with Wireshark. I see
"something" still queries proprietary.org...
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2832[11:04:38] <berkhan> ratrace: then I better look at something
else :)
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2833[11:04:50] <berkhan> other than /etc/hosts or
/etc/nsswitch.conf
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2836[11:10:38] <styx-tdo> hi, i try to re-configure packages with
debconf, in this case locales. I run debconf-get-selections | egrep
'^locales' to get values, this looks fine. Then I run the
output thru debconf-set-selection
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2837[11:10:53] <styx-tdo> the data is reflected in
/var/cache/debconf/config.dat
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2840[11:11:31] <styx-tdo> just.. how do I apply this? When
running dpkg-reconfigure locales -f noninteractive, it gets values
from.. somewhere, but not mine..
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2844[11:13:27] <styx-tdo>
replaced-url
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2845[11:17:06] <styx-tdo> solved. After setting the locales, it
is required to run rm /etc/locale.gen; dpkg-reconfigure --frontend
noninteractive locales
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2850[11:21:21] <nicoz> hi
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2851[11:21:29] <luna> hi
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2854[11:21:47] <nicoz> i have a error in upgrade
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2855[11:21:50] <nicoz>
replaced-url
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2857[11:23:18] <nicoz> I do not detect keyboard problems, but on
the terminal it gives me these messages, looking a bit on the web I
saw that it is a bug ... is there a solution?
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2864[11:26:45] <styx-tdo> dpkg-reconfigure console-data may help
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2898[11:48:23] <EmleyMoor> Is there a way to read QR codes with
my webcam, so that I can then paste the decoding into a web page?
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2899[11:50:01] <Mathisen> ,info zbar
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2900[11:50:02] <judd> No package named 'zbar' was found
in buster/amd64.
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2901[11:50:48] <Mathisen> ,info zbar-tools
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2902[11:50:51] <judd> Package zbar-tools (graphics, optional) in
buster/amd64: bar code scanner and decoder (utilities). Version:
0.22-1; Size: 36.1k; Installed: 89k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2903[11:50:59] <Mathisen> EmleyMoor,
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2913[11:56:32] <EmleyMoor> Seems useless... doesn't
recognise it
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2975[12:59:36] <dob1> does the debian cd comes with mksqualsh ?
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2976[12:59:44] <dob1> or at least is installable in live ?
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2977[12:59:50] <dob1> mksquash
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2999[13:19:54] <HannaM> -_- ...
replaced-url
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3003[13:20:55] <jelly-home> ,i nginx
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3004[13:20:58] <judd> Package nginx (httpd, optional) in
buster/amd64: small, powerful, scalable web/proxy server. Version:
1.14.2-2+deb10u3; Size: 86.3k; Installed: 98k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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3006[13:21:29] <HannaM> arg! the error is everywhere.. =)
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3007[13:21:47] <jelly-home> that's from the same source.
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3008[13:21:54] <HannaM> you don't say ..
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3009[13:22:05] <HannaM> just wanted to be funny
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3010[13:22:20] <jelly-home> looks like someone blindly replaced
http with https there, if you go to
replaced-url
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3011[13:22:39] <jelly-home> "funny" doesn't
translate well over irc, sorry
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3012[13:23:02] <HannaM> yeah, that's why I said
"misconfigured" - who can change this at the source? the
package maintainer only?
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3013[13:24:35] <jelly-home> yes, but anyone can report the bad
url as a bug against the package
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3014[13:24:45] <jelly-home>
replaced-url
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3015[13:24:46] <HannaM> I see
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3016[13:24:54] <jelly-home> !reportbug
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3017[13:24:54] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
replaced-url
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3061[14:13:06] <short-bike> On a fresh install of 10 as a libvirt
guest and using debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso as the installer,
running 'sudo apt-get update' throws an error > E: The
repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 10.7.0 _Buster_ -
Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20201205-11:17] buster Release'
does not have a Release file. Google hits and man pages are not
helping. A pointer here would be appreciated. TY
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3063[14:14:40] <zykotick9> short-bike: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
with a valid mirror, you might think about commenting out the CDROM
lines (if you don't use CDs)
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3064[14:16:05] <short-bike> zykotick9: Thank you much. I'll
do that.
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3070[14:18:55] <jelly> !buster sources.list
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3071[14:18:55] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
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3072[14:19:08] <jelly> short-bike, ^
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3073[14:19:18] <short-bike> Looking at that now.
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3074[14:20:24] <short-bike> jelly: Thanks.
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3076[14:20:25] <jelly> the cdrom entry is left in
/etc/apt/sources.list if a mirror isn't selected during the
install process (usually if there's no internet connectivity)
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3078[14:21:12] <jelly> it's only useful for no-internet
situations, air gapped installs and upgrades, so it's safe to
comment it out or delete it completely
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3079[14:21:50] <short-bike> IIRC I selected 'use mirror0
during the install. Debian.org I think.
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3080[14:22:14] <short-bike> s/'use mirror*
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3089[14:31:03] <short-bike> This is how /etc/apt/source.list
looks now. Is there anything else I need to add/amend ? Thank you.
->
replaced-url
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3091[14:32:30] <Franciman> It's friday then! I am gonna
bisect the kernel yeh!
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3092[14:32:53] <Franciman> I am three commits away from finding
the cause of my wifi misbehaviour
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3093[14:33:14] <Franciman> finally I will be able to have a top
notch debian
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3099[14:36:29] <henko> I'm fighting with SANE support for my
printer. My advise... when you buy a laser printer look air Airprint
compatiblity...
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3101[14:38:39] <Franciman> henko, let us keep our fight for
freedom
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3103[14:38:59] <Franciman> big corps find all types of tricks to
breach the free software movement
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3110[14:42:30] <ratrace> what's a "printer"?
hint-hint, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more, say no more.
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3114[14:42:54] <henko> yeah.. btw OEMs are now vendor-locking
EPYCs to their hardware... sometimes it feels like one step forward
and two steps back :(
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3115[14:43:14] <henko> ratrace: well technically a MFP :)
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3116[14:44:00] <henko> I think scanning as a feature will prevail
printing for sure :D
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3117[14:44:09] <ratrace> what do you mean "vendor locking
EPYCs"?
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3118[14:44:48] <henko> When you buy a Lenovo or Dell Server with
an EPYC CPU in it... it is tied cryptographically to this specific
hardware
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3119[14:45:08] <ratrace> are you talking about EFI firmware
requiring signed SecureBoot(tm) thing?
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3120[14:45:14] <henko> Maybe even more Manufacturers will jump on
that bandwagon.. I hope not
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3122[14:46:05] <henko>
replaced-url
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3123[14:46:36] <ratrace> oh... "swell"
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3131[14:54:07] <tinga> Is there a proper/somewhat straightforward
way to find out of a file system is on an SSD or not (HDD,
network..)?
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3132[14:54:54] <remline> tinga: maybe try lsblk -f
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3133[14:54:56] <tinga> Or, even better, have a way to read some
IOPs estimate.
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3134[14:55:02] <tinga> checking
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3136[14:55:21] <karlpinc> tinga: iostat, in the sysstat package.
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3138[14:56:29] <ratrace> if the hardware is virtualized,
there's no way to find, from a guest VM, where the host is
storing the VM's disk or otherwise mounted filesystem
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3139[14:56:44] <echoSMILE> What do I need to enable touchpad
buttons (3) at 10.9 with XFCE ?
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3140[14:57:00] <tinga> Doesn't iostat just represent the
currently used tps? I'd like to get an estimate of what the
disk is *capable* of.
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3141[14:57:10] <ratrace> but maybe iops and throughput is what
you really want to know, regardless of what the storage really is?
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3144[14:57:27] <tinga> Also, I need it in a quick manner, so that
a program can check on startup and decide, oh that's an SSD, so
I'll use a different approach.
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3145[14:57:33] <ratrace> tinga: you can run fio benchmarks for
example
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3146[14:57:48] <ratrace> this smells like !xy
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3147[14:57:51] <ratrace> !xy
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3148[14:57:51] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
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3149[14:57:53] <tinga> So, IOPs judgement from the kernel would
be ideal (IIRC the kernel does that detection itself, too)
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3153[14:58:52] <tinga> ratrace, yes, I just want to know if the
backing storage will do more than say 5000 IOPs or not.
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3157[15:02:52] <ratrace> at _that_ particular moment.
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3158[15:06:31] <wintersky> i need some assistsance in creating a
vbox deb file
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3159[15:07:08] <wintersky> they use kmk so it's not that
simple to use checkinstall
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3170[15:14:53] <henko> ratrace: is there a way too print all the
"!<name>" commands here in IRC so I can read them
myself?
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3179[15:20:25] <ratrace> henko: /msg dpkg help
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3180[15:20:28] <ratrace> henko: also:
replaced-url
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3182[15:21:33] <henko> ty
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3184[15:22:49] <sig_9> .
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3206[15:40:41] <jelly> tinga, kernel can see whether a
locally-connected block dev is on rotational media or ssd.
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3208[15:41:47] <tinga> jelly, yep, I was just told about
/sys/block/$dev/queue/rotational in another channel. Thanks!
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3209[15:41:58] <tinga> Still looking into how that info behaves
in the face of LVM etc.
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3215[15:50:07] <jelly> but that won't tell you whether a
device can do 5k iops. Only a benchmark can,
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3216[15:50:45] <wintersky>
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3217[15:50:47] <wintersky> any clues?
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3219[15:50:56] <wintersky> i'm pinning the vbox package
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3220[15:51:02] <wintersky> from sid on debian 11