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8 [00:14:07] <Guest1798> so I have four ip addresses on my
server and currently trying to make openvpn work in a "dynamic
way". a lot of people told me to accomplish this by creating a
dummy interface and adding x ip to it. that's what I did. and
it worked. but when I connect to my vpn using openvpn and that
specific ip address, it will never show the same ip address for
9 [00:14:07] <Guest1798> e.g: when I visit icanhazip.com. it
will rather show the "main" ip address -- on the eth0
interface. why is that? am I doing smth wrong? I appreciate any help
or advice
10 [00:14:56] <cws> The host routing the traffic to the internet
doesn't care which IP was used to connect to openvpn.
11 [00:15:17] <cws> All it sees is "send this packet to the
internet," and so it does, using the interface's primary
address.
12 [00:15:58] <Guest1798> in this case what could I do
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14 [00:16:08] <cws> Nothing. That's just how routing works.
15 [00:16:40] <cws> Well, I say "nothing." That's
not quite true.
16 [00:17:11] <cws> But I've never configured what is
basically a NAT pool and everything that that involves.
17 [00:17:24] <Guest1798> I'm almost sure there's a
way to make it actually connect to the IP I want, and it being sent
back to me when doing curl icanhazip.com
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19 [00:17:30] <Guest1798> But yeah I'm out of ideas lol
20 [00:17:39] <cws> Why is it so important that that happens?
21 [00:17:51] <cpjulia> hello guys could anyone please help me
with kurento?
22 [00:18:47] <Guest1798> I don't see a point of the ip
addresses like that, then to whatever IP I connect it will still be
seen as the main public address, what I'm trying to make it is
work dynamic
23 [00:18:59] <cws> Okay, but why?
24 [00:19:37] <cws> Is this a single OpenVPN server listening on
multiple addresses, or are these individual OpenVPN servers running
on the same machine, each bound to a different IP?
25 [00:19:48] <Guest1798> so I can switch between ip addresses
with openvpn, each IP has a different countrycode
26 [00:20:00] <cws> IPs don't have country codes.
27 [00:20:33] <Guest1798> well yeah, that's dependant on
geoip dbs, but still
28 [00:21:18] <Guest1798> by the way it's nothing special
just a debian box with four ip addresses and a basic openvpn setup
29 [00:21:24] <cws> "basic" tells me nothing.
30 [00:21:41] <Guest1798> what do you wanna know
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32 [00:21:47] <cws> The question I already asked.
33 [00:21:50] <cws> Is this a single OpenVPN server listening on
multiple addresses, or are these individual OpenVPN servers running
on the same machine, each bound to a different IP?
34 [00:22:41] <cws> And how are you confirming that these
addresses actually appear to be in different countries?
35 [00:22:52] <Guest1798> just a simple geoip lookup
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37 [00:23:25] <cws> mkay
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39 [00:23:38] <Guest1798> by the way, the latter of what you
said above in the question
40 [00:23:53] <cws> Yeah, that's hardly a "basic"
setup.
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42 [00:24:38] <cws> In that case, you could try to configure
your NAT rules on the host to use a given translation IP based on
the source subnet of the traffic. Each different openvpn instance
will have a different subnet.
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44 [00:25:01] <cws> So you can identify from which instance
traffic originates, and set the outbound translation IP accordingly.
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46 [00:25:12] <cws> As for the how, that's up to you to
figure out based on how you set up NAT in the first place.
47 [00:26:21] <Guest1798> I see. thanks for this info
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94 [00:59:50] <l0rd_hex> Hi Debianos! My son, Spray, is
extremely allergic to grub. Can I install debian with syslinux
instead?
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97 [01:01:30] <oxek> how about systemd-boot instead?
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100 [01:03:33] <l0rd_hex> oxek: I haven't used it before...
is it possible to install it directly from the installer?
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102 [01:03:57] <l0rd_hex> if even a little grub gets on his
filesystem he gets all Debian 7.0
103 [01:04:00] <oxek> probably not through the guided installer,
but you can drop to console from the installer
104 [01:04:25] <oxek> oh I have no idea about debian 7.0,
anything <10 has been purged from my memory
105 [01:04:28] <cws> What is the problem with grub exactly?
106 [01:04:48] <l0rd_hex> oxek: Debian 7.0 is "Wheezy"
so my son gets wheezy
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108 [01:05:04] <oxek> l0rd_hex: don't.
109 [01:05:10] <oxek> no security support for 7.0 anymore
110 [01:05:29] <l0rd_hex> oxek: it's just a joke, brah.
111 [01:05:49] <cws> I think he's trying to crack a joke,
but to be quite frank, if you're that picky about which
bootloader is used, then you should be able to handle this yourself.
112 [01:05:57] <l0rd_hex> i.e. someone having an allergic
reaction might get wheezy (trouble breathing)
113 [01:06:06] <oxek> ugh
114 [01:06:10] <l0rd_hex> yeah.
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117 [01:06:52] <l0rd_hex> the trouble with grub started many
years ago when rms ate something he pulled off of his foot during a
meeting, footgate we called it at the time
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119 [01:07:43] <l0rd_hex> TBH I personally don't really care
for grub's configuration, I find it way to complicated and
prefer syslinux but I've never had luck installing Debian with
syslinux from, well, the installer
120 [01:08:22] <cws> update-grub
121 [01:08:27] <cws> There, now you don't have to worry
about it.
122 [01:08:32] <l0rd_hex> it's been 11 years, wow:
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123 [01:08:38] <oxek> the guided installer just had grub and lilo
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125 [01:09:20] <l0rd_hex> I don't mind going down to the
shell to install it I've just never had luck doing it
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127 [01:09:36] <cws> Then perhaps you ought to just stick to
grub.
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129 [01:09:47] <l0rd_hex> it's too grubby
130 [01:09:56] <cws> This sounds very much like a "you"
problem.
131 [01:10:01] <l0rd_hex> very much so
132 [01:10:07] <cws> Then why waste the channel's time?
133 [01:10:18] <l0rd_hex> but in this case, I've chosen to
blame it on my imaginary son "Spray"
134 [01:10:38] <l0rd_hex> well I thought maybe someone had
sucessfully installed syslinux via the installer
135 [01:11:05] <l0rd_hex> and would be willing to mind-meld with
me behind the local Dairy Queen next to the dumpsters
136 [01:11:32] <l0rd_hex> cws: you sound like you're running
sid
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138 [01:13:40] <tosted> hi. is there any way to discovery which
packs were manualy compiled?
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140 [01:14:07] <l0rd_hex> tosted: like pacakges installed
manually, not from the repos?
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143 [01:15:01] <l0rd_hex> pretty much all of the packages in the
repos were compiled manually at some point :)
144 [01:15:20] <l0rd_hex> but stuff compiled locally into like a
deb and then installed... is that what you're looking for?
145 [01:16:22] <abrotman> dpkg: cruft
146 [01:16:22] <dpkg> it has been said that cruft is a program to
look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but
is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install
it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run.
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155 [01:19:57] <l0rd_hex> is the channel limited like that to
avoid splits, or is there still raids and stuff?
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206 [02:11:10] <l0rd_hex> Good news everyone! It is possible to
install syslinux via the installer but you need to use "Expert
Install", select "continue without grub", then drop
to a shell and install extlinux (not syslinux!) dd the mbr.bin to
your disk, make a syslinxu directory under /boot and copy the needed
c32 modules into it, then run extlinux --install /boot/syslinux and
you're set, just don't forget to create a
207 [02:11:16] <l0rd_hex> syslinux.cfg. I had to chroot into my
target to be able to install extlinux also
208 [02:11:33] <l0rd_hex> cws: I couldn't have done it
without your rudeness guiding me along, thank you
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210 [02:12:18] <l0rd_hex> not sure if this will survive a kernel
update but who knows
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221 [02:21:45] <Waxhead> Howdy , is it possible to have multiple
EFI boot partitions , one on each disk in the system so that you
will have a fallback if the first partition somehow gets corrupt.
Will an update then update all EFI partitions or do I need to do
something special - I plan to use BTRFS as root (yes I am) and would
not like the EFI boot partition to be a single point of failure.
222 [02:23:06] <dvs> Waxhead: you can have multiple EFI
partitions but only one of them will be updated by the install.
223 [02:24:04] <Waxhead> dvs: ouch .. so that means that a kernel
update will potentially break the system if the the primary efi boot
partition is toast, (because the others are outdated)....
224 [02:24:51] <dvs> Waxhead: even if the primary efi partition
break, the secondary will still work because it hasn't been
touched.
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226 [02:25:10] <Waxhead> but is is not updated by a kernel
update?
227 [02:25:18] <dvs> nope
228 [02:25:26] <Waxhead> e.g. leaving initramfs potentially on a
old version?
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238 [02:39:50] <cws> Your initramfs doesn't live on the ESP.
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241 [02:42:02] <cheapie> cws: You're making me tempted to do
that now.
242 [02:42:49] <dvs> DO IT!
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248 [02:47:14] <cws> What, move your initramfs to the ESP, or
make redundant ESPs?
249 [02:48:03] <dvs> sounds like make a redundant ESP
250 [02:48:15] <henko> hi. is it normal when using
buster-backports in the apt sources that some packages can't be
updated? even when I do $ apt full-upgrade?
251 [02:49:14] <henko> and when installing the specitic package
it says: the following packages have unmet dependencies... but it is
not going to be installed
252 [02:49:52] <dvs> we can't help you without specifics
253 [02:49:53] <henko> does that mean that the new backported
packages I installed depend on new libraries which are yet not
backported and thus can't be installed
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255 [02:50:23] <cws> if you do it right, you CAN actually put
your ESP on an mdadm raid1.
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257 [02:50:36] <cws> And its bootable.
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259 [02:51:51] <oxek> henko: backports should be used sparingly.
Provide more info about which packages you're trying to
install/upgrade.
260 [02:53:37] <henko> I am new to backports... I just wanted to
try it out... cuz I wanted to try out sane-airscan
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262 [02:53:44] <henko>
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263 [02:53:57] <henko> I might as well only update that one
package... but now its too late
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265 [02:54:50] <henko>
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267 [02:55:25] <oxek> your sources.list is messed up
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269 [02:55:30] <oxek> !buster sources.list
270 [02:55:30] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
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271 [02:55:35] <oxek> you're missing the main repo
272 [02:56:01] <oxek> ehh, meaning the 'buster' repo
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274 [02:56:25] <oxek> (honestly we should just refer to it as
'master' repo or something like that)
275 [02:56:51] <dvs> Oh, they won't be calling it
"master" due to political correctness.
276 [02:57:03] <oxek> dvs: how is 'master' politically
incorrect?
277 [02:58:04] <oxek> the 'buster' (not
buster-backports, not buster-updates, not buster-security) is the
repo that is used to create a master of a debian release
278 [02:58:09] <oxek> analogous to music cd master
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280 [02:58:35] <oxek>
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281 [02:58:36] <dvs> oxek: it implies "slave"
282 [02:59:04] <oxek> wtf
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289 [03:04:16] <tosted> l0rd_hex: yes..pack installed manually,
is a manual compiled, is not?
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291 [03:05:43] <henko> oxek: I don't get it... the wiki told
me to it:
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292 [03:05:53] <henko> Seems okay for me
293 [03:06:09] <oxek> henko: the wiki says append, whereas you
replaced
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295 [03:06:41] <oxek> you're missing completely missing the
most important repo 'deb
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296 [03:07:45] <henko> ahh
297 [03:08:00] <oxek> henko: you pretty much want this
replaced-url
298 [03:08:01] <l0rd_hex> tosted: well there's a difference,
if you download the source and did a make / make install thhose are
files thet get installed into the filesystem without a package
manager. There is also the ability to download or assemble a
"deb" (single package) and install that with the package
manager
299 [03:08:51] <l0rd_hex> it depends if you want to know what
files were "make install"-ed vs a deb installed by hand
(not from repo)
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305 [03:11:33] <henko> oxek: thanks.. update works now. thanks
306 [03:12:09] <oxek> henko: no problem, and be more careful next
time when editing sources.list, making sure you read instructions
properly :)
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309 [03:14:54] <henko> oxek: i will.
310 [03:15:01] <oxek> on a slightly related note, it's a
pity that `apt edit-sources` does not work like `visudo` or `vipw`.
It still allows wrongly formatted sources.list from being written
out.
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315 [03:18:27] <henko> ohh I always edited it directly... in
future I will do it with edit-sources... maybe future updates will
behave like this? :)
316 [03:20:37] <oxek> maybe. Someone would have to work on it
though.
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318 [03:23:20] <henko> also I have one question. Im planning to
setup bind9 as an authorative nameserver (not publicly recursive)
and would install it via backports. But I've seen that the
version numbers of projects doesn't have to align with the
version numbers of debian packages. In BINDs case they align but
debian adds garbeled mess after the bind version number like here:
bind9 (1:9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5.1+deb10u3
319 [03:23:26] <henko>
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320 [03:23:42] <henko> what does P4 and dfsg mean?
321 [03:24:28] <henko> I've looked seemingly everywhere in
the debian wiki and haven't found the meaning behind it
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323 [03:26:32] <henko> If I were to also use the newest packages
with new featureset and not only bugfixes - is it safe to install
debian buster with the bind package from testing? or would this be
too risky? broken updates etc.?
324 [03:27:00] <oxek>
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325 [03:27:50] <oxek> also `man deb-version`
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327 [03:28:49] <henko> s/bugfixes/security fixes/
328 [03:28:57] <themill> henko: "9.11.5.P4" is what
upstream calls it -- patchlevel 4 -- that's nothing to do with
Debian.
329 [03:29:48] <oxek> henko: also ask yourself why you want the
newer package from testing. If you can't find a good reason for
it, then don't do it.
330 [03:29:52] <themill> +dfsg means that non-free crap was
ripped out of the source package before uploading it to Debian. From
memory, bind upstream includes non-free copies of standards that
Debian can't redistribute.
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333 [03:31:17] <henko> themill: where would I find that
information when not asking here in IRC?
334 [03:31:54] <henko> is +dfsg used also in other packages? or
is this a package by package convetion by the debian package
maintainer?
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336 [03:32:10] <oxek> henko: probably in /usr/share/doc/bind9/
337 [03:32:28] <oxek> the README files have various info
338 [03:33:17] <oxek> the +dfsg is used only in packages where
debian patches had to be applied to them to make them compliant with
Debian Free Software Guidelines
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340 [03:33:43] <oxek> !dfsg
341 [03:33:43] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
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342 [03:33:50] <henko> that explains the acronym ^^
343 [03:34:45] <henko> okay thanks for the input... I know have
enough read up to do heh
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346 [03:35:58] <oxek> henko:
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347 [03:36:03] <oxek> lots of reading if you want :)
348 [03:37:25] <themill> henko: the links to the definition of
the version field tell you that the P4 is an upstream thing; common
practices for versions are documented there in policy and in devref
§6.7.8
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351 [03:40:02] <oxek> I'll release a software that I'll
version upstream as "jessie+dfsg-1.1+deb10u1". Good luck
to whoever wants to package (and version it) in debian :p
352 [03:40:31] <oxek> gotta love intentionally difficult upstream
353 [03:40:33] <sney> there was a bug due to a too-long version
string not long ago
354 [03:40:34] <henko> oxek: :b
355 [03:41:05] <oxek> sney: oh, like that software that just
increments the number of digits of pi?
356 [03:41:31] <oxek> version 3.14159265358979323846
357 [03:41:48] <sney> #940708
358 [03:41:49] <judd> Bug
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359 [03:42:30] <sney> n+1 digits of pi might have been an
improvement lol
360 [03:42:44] <oxek> was
6.2.1+ds+~0.4.0+~4.0.0+really4.0.0+~1.0.0+~5.0.1+ds+~1.7.0+ds+~0.1.1+~0.3.1+~0.2.0+~0.1.0+~0.3.0+~0.3.0-5
real????
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364 [03:48:23] <sney> like, clearly they had a problem to solve,
but I can't imagine seeing that mess in d/changelog and
thinking "ah yes, this is a good upload, time for dput"
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367 [03:50:14] <oxek> indeed :D
368 [03:50:40] <themill> There are a few language ecosystems that
are pushing the bounds of what it means to distribute software (node
and golang in particular)
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450 [05:44:35] <cpjulia> hello, can anyone help me with a kurento
issue?
451 [05:44:55] <cpjulia> I know it's more an uubuntu topic,
but any thoughts would be appreciated
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453 [05:52:23] <rustyshackleford> refurbished dell's are so
cheap
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455 [05:54:25] <rustyshackleford> use case is a Plex server
456 [05:54:41] <rustyshackleford> won't be connected to a
monitor or keyboard
457 [05:54:55] <rustyshackleford> do I get a rack mount server or
a tower?
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459 [05:55:12] <sney> refurb office pcs are great for a low
budget server, indeed
460 [05:55:58] <rustyshackleford>
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461 [05:56:42] <rustyshackleford> are dell poweredge servers a
good platform to build on?
462 [05:57:19] <sney> bit overkill if all you're running is
plex, but can't argue with that price
463 [05:57:40] <rustyshackleford> 780 Watt power supply
464 [05:57:52] <rustyshackleford> maybe its too power hungry for
a server that will mostly sit idle
465 [05:57:59] <rustyshackleford> all those drive bays though...
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467 [05:59:25] <sney> it will be p loud, you will always hear it
unless you have a basement to stash it in. but from a linux
perspective, dell's business stuff is good, yes. all intel
components usually. maybe bnx2 for the nics, but that's
supported too. should pretty much work right out of the box.
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469 [06:00:04] <rustyshackleford> yeah I was wondering if the
fans were loud
470 [06:01:01] <sney> the system fans will throttle down but the
psu fans will not.
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499 [06:50:25] <gry__> hi, ive got an atheros wireless card and
when wireless drops, it doesn't reconnect. here is dmesg
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532 [07:36:59] <TheBigK02> jhutchins: why would i print which
kernels are available. i dont udnerstand?
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549 [08:12:01] <genr8_> !sns
550 [08:12:02] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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561 [08:33:00] <addedman8> hey what is the url for debian'
package ftps?\
562 [08:33:21] <addedman8> i want to dl a few packages but i dont
have debian installed
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568 [08:37:54] <jaggz> In debian stable I created two files in
/lib/systemd/system for a service to wait on a port (just a script
that runs when the port is opened)
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570 [08:38:03] <jaggz> this isn't working in debian testing
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572 [08:38:29] <jaggz> systemctl list-units doesn't show it
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574 [08:39:21] <jaggz> I copied the files from one system to the
other then ran systemctl daemon-reload
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577 [08:44:34] <TheBigK02> jaggz: try systemctl daemon-reload
578 [08:45:11] <jaggz> again? :)
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580 [08:46:08] <TheBigK02> jaggz: if thats not working, try doing
a symlink to /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants
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582 [08:46:12] <node1> why i'm getting `NTP service:
inactive` using `timedatectl` while enabling it using `timedatectl
set-ntp true` ?
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585 [08:47:15] <TheBigK02> node1: try systemctl enable
systemd-timesyncd
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587 [08:48:08] <node1> why not with timedatectl ?
588 [08:48:40] <node1> Active: inactive (dead)
589 [08:48:40] <node1> Condition: start condition failed at Fri
2021-04-09 02:43:09 EDT; 5min ago
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591 [08:49:40] <TheBigK02> pastebin outpout of systemctl status
systmed-timesyncd
592 [08:50:09] <jaggz> looks like it failed at startup and you
need to see the logs, node1
593 [08:50:23] <somiaj> jaggz: please don't create/edti
files in /lib/systemd, that is what /etc/systemd is for
594 [08:50:56] <jaggz> here's my testport.socket file, in
/etc/systemd/system/ (and symlinked to it, with the same name, from
the multi-user... subdir)
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595 [08:51:07] <node1>
replaced-url
596 [08:51:13] <somiaj> as to your issue, I'm unsure why
debian testing isn't seeing the service
597 [08:51:25] <node1> TheBigK02,
replaced-url
598 [08:52:03] <TheBigK02> node1: do u have an ntp service
running ?
599 [08:52:11] <TheBigK02> *-n
600 [08:52:30] <AquaL1te> during debian package installs, there
are sometimes interactive menus to setup the package. is there a way
to automate the answers? specifically with ansible?
601 [08:52:36] <jaggz> and then this one is in the same dir, and
called testport@.service:
replaced-url
602 [08:52:55] <TheBigK02> AquaL1te: check out fai...
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604 [08:53:36] <jaggz> is ntpd installed?
605 [08:53:40] <jaggz> (does it need to be?)
606 [08:53:48] <TheBigK02> nope. thats the point
607 [08:53:57] <TheBigK02> if its installed u cant use timesyncd
from systemd
608 [08:53:59] <jaggz> oh, it's actually just called ntp
609 [08:54:02] <jaggz> ah
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611 [08:54:14] <node1> yes ntp is running but it uses local
hardware clock time
612 [08:54:19] <AquaL1te> TheBigK02: how does that answer my
question? this is about a full automated install
613 [08:54:40] <TheBigK02> AquaL1te: yes? that should give u
hints how to automate ur installation? isnt that what u want?
614 [08:54:42] <jaggz> I don't like ntpd anymore anyway. for
years it hits a bunch of servers that I don't even have
configured in its file. and it hits them way too frequently, and
it's ignoring the minimum time between updates that I set in my
config.
615 [08:54:51] <node1> I have set to 127.0.1.1
616 [08:55:20] <jaggz> I got so frustrated messing around with it
to try to figure out why it's doing this that I got rid of it
and just use ntpdate from cron (nice jumps in time I'm sure)
617 [08:55:46] <AquaL1te> TheBigK02: a full automated install !=
answer automated questsions for debian package installs. is it me?
or is the debian community passive aggressive all the time? :)
618 [08:56:04] <jelly-home> node1, so you already have a ntp
service. It doesn't really matter what source it's
configured to trust, doesn't make sense to have two running at
the same time really.
619 [08:56:09] <node1> TheBigK02, Please find this
replaced-url
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621 [08:56:52] <TheBigK02> i completely misunderstood u AquaL1te
622 [08:56:57] <node1> I think timedatectl shows my ntp services.
623 [08:57:11] <somiaj> AquaL1te: there are ways to pre-answer
the debconf questions, though looking up the details
624 [08:57:12] <TheBigK02> package install.. not debian
install... i was wrong... my fault
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626 [08:58:02] <somiaj> AquaL1te: this seems to have some info
about creating a file you can then use debconf-set-selections with
(you do have to know the questions in advanced though)
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628 [08:58:21] <node1> Okay so you have any idea how to set with
CDT time ?
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631 [08:58:31] <no_gravity> Good Morning
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633 [08:59:00] <no_gravity> I want to reset all
options/preferences in LibreOffice. What would be a good way to do
that?
634 [08:59:46] <jelly> node1, changing the timezone does not
change the system clock, timezones are just a cosmetic view.
635 [08:59:48] <jelly> !timezone
636 [08:59:48] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local
time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian
systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively:
"cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that
tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute
"service postfix restart" to update localtime in the
chroot.
637 [08:59:52] <AquaL1te> somiaj: thanks! i'll have a look,
that might indeed be it
638 [08:59:52] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: remove ur config from ur
homedir? but may be do a backup before if u regret ur decision :D
639 [09:00:06] * EdePopede pleas for renaming
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641 [09:00:34] <no_gravity> TheBigK02: Where is that config?
642 [09:00:38] <node1> Okay but i would like to sync with CDT
time as my remote vm's are running in CDT time zone.
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644 [09:01:10] <jelly> node1, it's the same time, just shown
differently
645 [09:01:28] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: i found something
.config/libreoffice... but there might be more
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647 [09:01:41] <jaggz> what is a template service? can't
find an explanation
648 [09:01:44] <jelly> the dpkg bot just told you how to change
it ^
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650 [09:01:57] <no_gravity> TheBigK02: I see. Lets see what
happens when I do "mv libreoffice libreoffice_old"
651 [09:02:00] <node1> Alright but i want to make it more user
friendly and human readable. So i'm asking how to make my local
vm into CDT time zone.
652 [09:02:11] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: thats a good way about it
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655 [09:02:19] <lupulo> hi
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657 [09:02:22] <jelly> node1, <dpkg> A time zone is the
standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the
timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure
tzdata".
658 [09:02:31] <node1> It should show me in CDT time for that
where shall i make configuration
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661 [09:02:39] <no_gravity> TheBigK02: Looks like it worked.
Thanks!
662 [09:02:48] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: always welcome :)
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665 [09:03:32] <node1> jelly, There are so many options? which
option is suited for CDT time?
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667 [09:04:10] <node1> CDT is for centeral US ?
668 [09:04:24] <TheBigK02> node1: i gogled it, yes it seems like
:)
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670 [09:04:40] <jaggz> oh, hey, list-unit-files shows my service
671 [09:05:01] <TheBigK02> jaggz: congrats :)
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679 [09:09:04] <jaggz> :)
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681 [09:09:17] <jaggz> of course, I can't connect to the
port, and systemctl says it's dead
682 [09:11:40] <jaggz> hm
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684 [09:12:55] <jaggz> "Got no socket"
685 [09:15:20] <jelly> node1, I don't know all the
timezones, sorry. Porbably best to pick a country/city
686 [09:15:40] <jaggz> TheBigK02, restarting the testport.socket
worked.. can connect now
687 [09:15:47] <jaggz> mpg123 is segfaulting.. that's
pleasant
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689 [09:16:21] <TheBigK02> jaggz: u got this. i believe :D
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699 [09:24:58] <AquaL1te> to add to my previous question about
answering debian package questions, ansible has a nice module for
that:
replaced-url
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705 [09:29:43] <jaggz> TheBigK02, not yet. got other issues.
after one connect the port no longer opens.
706 [09:29:54] <jaggz> Restart=always doesn't fix that
either
707 [09:30:01] <jaggz> man.. inetd was so easy
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711 [09:33:18] <jaggz> yikes. okay, disabling and re-enabling got
it to work. and now it restarts and the port is available repeatedly
712 [09:33:36] <jaggz> sound doesn't play (it might not have
the env vars set for it to connect to the proper sound dev/server)
713 [09:34:15] <jaggz> BUT, now I have a neat issue. the connect
runs a script that should just run and exit, but when I connected
once.. that worked.. (telnet localhost 7770) .. then a second time
and it stayed connected
714 [09:34:20] <jaggz> that's.. weird
715 [09:34:43] <jaggz> lol.. finally it gave up: Speech
Dispatcher failed to say messageInvalid language en-US!
716 [09:35:02] <jaggz> got that from my client telnet side :)
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723 [09:48:32] <jaggz> finally. got it all working.
Restart=always isn't proper either; that re-runs my script
until it maxes out (5 count). so it alerts 5 times :)
724 [09:48:37] <jaggz> on-abort is proper there
725 [09:48:39] <jaggz> I think
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2810 [10:53:36] <berkhan> Hi channel! I was looking at the
/etc/hosts file. I already set `127.0.0.1 example.org` but the
software queries DNS from DHCP recommended DNS servers. I'm
currently on Debian Buster. I checked systemd-resolve but it is not
running/enabled. I restarted the `networking` service but nothing
happened.
2811 [10:54:34] <berkhan> Currently using Wireshark to monitor the
trafic
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2813 [10:55:05] <ratrace> berkhan: what software? what's in
your /etc/nsswitch.conf for the "hosts:" entry?
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2815 [10:55:46] <ratrace> and to be clear I understood what you
said ... you have 127.0.0.1 example org in your hosts, but some
software is resolving "example.org" by querying the DHCP
designated NS servers, correct?
2816 [10:55:55] <ratrace> ie. it's not returning 127.0.0.1
for example.org?
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2818 [10:56:36] <berkhan> ratrace: It's a property software.
`/etc/nsswitch.conf` includes `hosts: files mdns4_minimal
[NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname`
2819 [10:57:05] <berkhan> When I ping example.org, I get
127.0.0.1. So, I can say that /etc/hosts is working
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2823 [10:58:51] <ratrace> berkhan: right, so whatever proprietary
software you're using there, eiter has its own DNS caching, or
does resolving diffrently from asking glibc like it should.
2824 [10:59:15] <ratrace> berkhan: or is that
containerized/namespaced application and there's different
DNS/nsswitch settings in the namespace?
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2827 [11:01:07] <berkhan> ratrace: it might have its own DNS
caching. because I double checked with ping utility and Firefox. I
see 127.0.0.1 when I visit/ping example.org. The software is not
containerized/namespaced application.
2828 [11:01:34] <berkhan> ratrace: but thanks for help!
2829 [11:03:06] <ratrace> berkhan: keep in mind that DoH (DNS over
HTTPS) is now all the rage, and it might be doing that instead of
regular DNS query
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2831 [11:04:15] <berkhan> ratrace: I turned off the DoH in Firefox
and looked at the interface usage with Wireshark. I see
"something" still queries proprietary.org...
2832 [11:04:38] <berkhan> ratrace: then I better look at something
else :)
2833 [11:04:50] <berkhan> other than /etc/hosts or
/etc/nsswitch.conf
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2836 [11:10:38] <styx-tdo> hi, i try to re-configure packages with
debconf, in this case locales. I run debconf-get-selections | egrep
'^locales' to get values, this looks fine. Then I run the
output thru debconf-set-selection
2837 [11:10:53] <styx-tdo> the data is reflected in
/var/cache/debconf/config.dat
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2840 [11:11:31] <styx-tdo> just.. how do I apply this? When
running dpkg-reconfigure locales -f noninteractive, it gets values
from.. somewhere, but not mine..
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2844 [11:13:27] <styx-tdo>
replaced-url
2845 [11:17:06] <styx-tdo> solved. After setting the locales, it
is required to run rm /etc/locale.gen; dpkg-reconfigure --frontend
noninteractive locales
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2850 [11:21:21] <nicoz> hi
2851 [11:21:29] <luna> hi
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2854 [11:21:47] <nicoz> i have a error in upgrade
2855 [11:21:50] <nicoz>
replaced-url
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2857 [11:23:18] <nicoz> I do not detect keyboard problems, but on
the terminal it gives me these messages, looking a bit on the web I
saw that it is a bug ... is there a solution?
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2864 [11:26:45] <styx-tdo> dpkg-reconfigure console-data may help
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2898 [11:48:23] <EmleyMoor> Is there a way to read QR codes with
my webcam, so that I can then paste the decoding into a web page?
2899 [11:50:01] <Mathisen> ,info zbar
2900 [11:50:02] <judd> No package named 'zbar' was found
in buster/amd64.
2901 [11:50:48] <Mathisen> ,info zbar-tools
2902 [11:50:51] <judd> Package zbar-tools (graphics, optional) in
buster/amd64: bar code scanner and decoder (utilities). Version:
0.22-1; Size: 36.1k; Installed: 89k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2903 [11:50:59] <Mathisen> EmleyMoor,
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2913 [11:56:32] <EmleyMoor> Seems useless... doesn't
recognise it
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2975 [12:59:36] <dob1> does the debian cd comes with mksqualsh ?
2976 [12:59:44] <dob1> or at least is installable in live ?
2977 [12:59:50] <dob1> mksquash
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2999 [13:19:54] <HannaM> -_- ...
replaced-url
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3003 [13:20:55] <jelly-home> ,i nginx
3004 [13:20:58] <judd> Package nginx (httpd, optional) in
buster/amd64: small, powerful, scalable web/proxy server. Version:
1.14.2-2+deb10u3; Size: 86.3k; Installed: 98k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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3006 [13:21:29] <HannaM> arg! the error is everywhere.. =)
3007 [13:21:47] <jelly-home> that's from the same source.
3008 [13:21:54] <HannaM> you don't say ..
3009 [13:22:05] <HannaM> just wanted to be funny
3010 [13:22:20] <jelly-home> looks like someone blindly replaced
http with https there, if you go to
replaced-url
3011 [13:22:39] <jelly-home> "funny" doesn't
translate well over irc, sorry
3012 [13:23:02] <HannaM> yeah, that's why I said
"misconfigured" - who can change this at the source? the
package maintainer only?
3013 [13:24:35] <jelly-home> yes, but anyone can report the bad
url as a bug against the package
3014 [13:24:45] <jelly-home>
replaced-url
3015 [13:24:46] <HannaM> I see
3016 [13:24:54] <jelly-home> !reportbug
3017 [13:24:54] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
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3061 [14:13:06] <short-bike> On a fresh install of 10 as a libvirt
guest and using debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso as the installer,
running 'sudo apt-get update' throws an error > E: The
repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 10.7.0 _Buster_ -
Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20201205-11:17] buster Release'
does not have a Release file. Google hits and man pages are not
helping. A pointer here would be appreciated. TY
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3063 [14:14:40] <zykotick9> short-bike: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
with a valid mirror, you might think about commenting out the CDROM
lines (if you don't use CDs)
3064 [14:16:05] <short-bike> zykotick9: Thank you much. I'll
do that.
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3070 [14:18:55] <jelly> !buster sources.list
3071 [14:18:55] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
3072 [14:19:08] <jelly> short-bike, ^
3073 [14:19:18] <short-bike> Looking at that now.
3074 [14:20:24] <short-bike> jelly: Thanks.
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3076 [14:20:25] <jelly> the cdrom entry is left in
/etc/apt/sources.list if a mirror isn't selected during the
install process (usually if there's no internet connectivity)
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3078 [14:21:12] <jelly> it's only useful for no-internet
situations, air gapped installs and upgrades, so it's safe to
comment it out or delete it completely
3079 [14:21:50] <short-bike> IIRC I selected 'use mirror0
during the install. Debian.org I think.
3080 [14:22:14] <short-bike> s/'use mirror*
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3089 [14:31:03] <short-bike> This is how /etc/apt/source.list
looks now. Is there anything else I need to add/amend ? Thank you.
->
replaced-url
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3091 [14:32:30] <Franciman> It's friday then! I am gonna
bisect the kernel yeh!
3092 [14:32:53] <Franciman> I am three commits away from finding
the cause of my wifi misbehaviour
3093 [14:33:14] <Franciman> finally I will be able to have a top
notch debian
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3099 [14:36:29] <henko> I'm fighting with SANE support for my
printer. My advise... when you buy a laser printer look air Airprint
compatiblity...
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3101 [14:38:39] <Franciman> henko, let us keep our fight for
freedom
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3103 [14:38:59] <Franciman> big corps find all types of tricks to
breach the free software movement
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3110 [14:42:30] <ratrace> what's a "printer"?
hint-hint, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more, say no more.
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3114 [14:42:54] <henko> yeah.. btw OEMs are now vendor-locking
EPYCs to their hardware... sometimes it feels like one step forward
and two steps back :(
3115 [14:43:14] <henko> ratrace: well technically a MFP :)
3116 [14:44:00] <henko> I think scanning as a feature will prevail
printing for sure :D
3117 [14:44:09] <ratrace> what do you mean "vendor locking
EPYCs"?
3118 [14:44:48] <henko> When you buy a Lenovo or Dell Server with
an EPYC CPU in it... it is tied cryptographically to this specific
hardware
3119 [14:45:08] <ratrace> are you talking about EFI firmware
requiring signed SecureBoot(tm) thing?
3120 [14:45:14] <henko> Maybe even more Manufacturers will jump on
that bandwagon.. I hope not
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3122 [14:46:05] <henko>
replaced-url
3123 [14:46:36] <ratrace> oh... "swell"
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3131 [14:54:07] <tinga> Is there a proper/somewhat straightforward
way to find out of a file system is on an SSD or not (HDD,
network..)?
3132 [14:54:54] <remline> tinga: maybe try lsblk -f
3133 [14:54:56] <tinga> Or, even better, have a way to read some
IOPs estimate.
3134 [14:55:02] <tinga> checking
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3136 [14:55:21] <karlpinc> tinga: iostat, in the sysstat package.
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3138 [14:56:29] <ratrace> if the hardware is virtualized,
there's no way to find, from a guest VM, where the host is
storing the VM's disk or otherwise mounted filesystem
3139 [14:56:44] <echoSMILE> What do I need to enable touchpad
buttons (3) at 10.9 with XFCE ?
3140 [14:57:00] <tinga> Doesn't iostat just represent the
currently used tps? I'd like to get an estimate of what the
disk is *capable* of.
3141 [14:57:10] <ratrace> but maybe iops and throughput is what
you really want to know, regardless of what the storage really is?
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3144 [14:57:27] <tinga> Also, I need it in a quick manner, so that
a program can check on startup and decide, oh that's an SSD, so
I'll use a different approach.
3145 [14:57:33] <ratrace> tinga: you can run fio benchmarks for
example
3146 [14:57:48] <ratrace> this smells like !xy
3147 [14:57:51] <ratrace> !xy
3148 [14:57:51] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
3149 [14:57:53] <tinga> So, IOPs judgement from the kernel would
be ideal (IIRC the kernel does that detection itself, too)
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3153 [14:58:52] <tinga> ratrace, yes, I just want to know if the
backing storage will do more than say 5000 IOPs or not.
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3157 [15:02:52] <ratrace> at _that_ particular moment.
3158 [15:06:31] <wintersky> i need some assistsance in creating a
vbox deb file
3159 [15:07:08] <wintersky> they use kmk so it's not that
simple to use checkinstall
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3170 [15:14:53] <henko> ratrace: is there a way too print all the
"!<name>" commands here in IRC so I can read them
myself?
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3179 [15:20:25] <ratrace> henko: /msg dpkg help
3180 [15:20:28] <ratrace> henko: also:
replaced-url
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3182 [15:21:33] <henko> ty
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3184 [15:22:49] <sig_9> .
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3206 [15:40:41] <jelly> tinga, kernel can see whether a
locally-connected block dev is on rotational media or ssd.
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3208 [15:41:47] <tinga> jelly, yep, I was just told about
/sys/block/$dev/queue/rotational in another channel. Thanks!
3209 [15:41:58] <tinga> Still looking into how that info behaves
in the face of LVM etc.
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3215 [15:50:07] <jelly> but that won't tell you whether a
device can do 5k iops. Only a benchmark can,
3216 [15:50:45] <wintersky>
replaced-url
3217 [15:50:47] <wintersky> any clues?
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3219 [15:50:56] <wintersky> i'm pinning the vbox package
3220 [15:51:02] <wintersky> from sid on debian 11
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3222 [15:53:45] <jelly> tinga, my lvm is on a md raid1 which has
one ssd member and one hdd write-mostly member, now what? :-D
3223 [15:55:00] <tinga> I don't know, but if the kernel is
collecting that info for algorithmic decisions for reading it will
reasonably report this as non-rotational.
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3225 [15:55:18] <tinga> If it's about writing speed with
sync, then as rotational.
3226 [15:55:32] <tinga> So yes, will have to figure out more.
3227 [15:56:17] <tinga> jelly, BTW interesting setup you've
got here, does it work well?
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3232 [15:57:17] <tinga> I guess (if the kernel prefers the SSD for
reading) for a laptop/desktop that should work well--not many
writes, and reads are fast.
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3234 [15:57:55] <tinga> I expect apt install will be slow though
:)
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3238 [16:01:17] <jelly> ,i eatmydata
3239 [16:01:18] <judd> Package eatmydata (utils, optional) in
buster/amd64: Library and utilities designed to disable fsync and
friends. Version: 105-7; Size: 15.4k; Installed: 30k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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3241 [16:02:03] <jelly> ^ if you think there will be no kernel
crash, fs or hw error or power loss, you can wrap apt in that
3242 [16:02:20] <jelly> not recommended for production use
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3245 [16:03:00] <tinga> Oh, heh, nice, thanks for the tip.
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3258 [16:14:01] <dinamr> tinga: can you highlight me pls? for a
test.
3259 [16:14:17] <tinga> dinamr, sure
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3278 [16:28:42] <dinamr> thanks
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3294 [16:50:19] <MrTrick> I have a strange makefile, expecting to
call a command `shell`? What is this supposed to be?
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3298 [16:52:52] <MrTrick> hmm, wait that's not it either...
For some reason this 'stop-server' command doesn't
actually stop the processes.
3299 [16:52:52] <MrTrick>
replaced-url
3300 [16:53:50] <imMute> MrTrick: in Make, $() is not a shell
command, it's a make command. like $(filter-out ...)
3301 [16:54:22] <imMute> so to make it do a real shell command,
you have to invoke the make command that does a shell: $(shell cat
/etc/passwd)
3302 [16:54:39] <imMute> because $(cat /etc/passwd) would be
trying to invoke a *make* command called cat, which doesn't
exist.
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3305 [16:54:48] <HannaM> MrTrick:
replaced-url
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3308 [16:56:54] <MrTrick> ah cheers
3309 [16:57:06] <HannaM> yes, the subtle details ...
3310 [16:57:15] <MrTrick> hmm, the 'cut' invocation is
wrong, a leading space means it returns no output.
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3317 [17:02:57] <echoSMILE> After every debian instalation I
change at /etc/apt/sources.list the string from
"buster-updates" to "buster" am I doing it wrong
or work the same way?
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3319 [17:04:22] <imMute> echoSMILE: that doesn't sound
right.... what are you trying to do?
3320 [17:04:53] <echoSMILE> imMute: just using network mirrors
3321 [17:06:44] <imMute> but why are you modifying the
sources.list after install? what's wrong with the one that the
installer left there?
3322 [17:06:47] <echoSMILE> the default entries has
"buster-updates" or "buster/updates" string now
I am confused, and I change it to only "buster"
3323 [17:07:19] <echoSMILE> imMute: I think the apt can't
work properly with the default ones. Or I am make some confusion
3324 [17:07:48] <imMute> echoSMILE: that would be really stupid if
the debian installer left apt broken. so I think you're
mistaken.
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3326 [17:08:29] <echoSMILE> Sure. Can you confirm which string is
to put it back?
3327 [17:10:08] <imMute> deb
replaced-url
3328 [17:10:15] <imMute> is what one of my systems has
3329 [17:10:39] <imMute> I think it changed recently, and maybe
both work now (my Linode has both configured for some reason)
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3332 [17:11:57] <imMute>
replaced-url
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3334 [17:12:05] <echoSMILE> imMute: not the security but the
others, but what I see at wiki can be used both?
3335 [17:12:13] <echoSMILE>
replaced-url
3336 [17:12:33] <echoSMILE> s/can/need to
3337 [17:12:59] <imMute> it looks like the security repo uses
foo/updates while the other one uses foo-updates.
3338 [17:13:02] <oxek> !buster sources.list
3339 [17:13:02] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
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3341 [17:14:47] <echoSMILE>
replaced-url
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3343 [17:15:12] <imMute> yes, they're two separate repos
3344 [17:15:44] <echoSMILE> Tks
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3353 [17:26:23] <somiaj> echoSMILE: foo-updates can provide you
with bug fixes before they come via a point release, so useful to
have, but if you don't, you'll end up getting any fixes
there with point releases
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3358 [17:31:06] <echoSMILE> somiaj: tks
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3360 [17:31:30] <dob1> I have an old pc where I installed debian
stable, xfce4 / openbox / other tests but there is no way I can use
the mouse but I don't see the mouse pointer
3361 [17:31:35] <dob1> the mouse arrow
3362 [17:31:38] <echoSMILE> Would be cool if the firefox devs
could add the features "allways https" options (just
saying)
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3364 [17:33:13] <dob1> I can press mouse buttons, they work but no
mouse pointer and the mouse is not broken
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3366 [17:35:38] <ratrace> echoSMILE: there's an extension tho
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3368 [17:36:45] <EdePopede> dob1: could it just be an empty icon?
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3370 [17:37:26] <dob1> EdePopede, I don't know, I didn't
modify anything. It's just installed.
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3372 [17:37:49] <EdePopede> dob1: changing the cursor theme may
change it
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3374 [17:38:09] <dob1> EdePopede, how can I do it?
3375 [17:38:12] <EdePopede> but it sounds strange, yes.
3376 [17:38:14] <EdePopede> err...
3377 [17:38:22] <dob1> I cannot move anything
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3379 [17:38:53] <echoSMILE> ratrace: Yeah, but...
3380 [17:38:53] <oxek> echoSMILE: that pref already exists in
non-ESR firefox versions
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3382 [17:39:00] <oxek> plus there's HTTPS Everywhere
extension
3383 [17:39:18] <echoSMILE> oxek: I know, that's the reason I
told that
3384 [17:39:33] <EdePopede> dob1: alt-f1 → settings →
mouse&touchpad → themes
3385 [17:39:37] <echoSMILE> oxek: I like vanilla flavour :D
3386 [17:39:48] <oxek> it's not clear what you mean echoSMILE
3387 [17:39:52] <dob1> EdePopede, from xfce ?
3388 [17:39:58] <EdePopede> yip
3389 [17:40:02] <dob1> I try
3390 [17:41:49] <echoSMILE> I just installed debian in a laptop
that I am pretty sure the buttons from touchpad worked by default,
but not now. Any idea?
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3393 [17:43:38] <dob1> EdePopede, nothing. I can "drag"
the mouse too and I see the area I am creating (I hope is clear) but
no pointer
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3395 [17:44:26] <EdePopede> dob1: got a live system? or mouse
support in the bios?
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3397 [17:44:54] <dob1> EdePopede, no, it's an very old pc
3398 [17:45:41] <dob1> but I have to say the debian
"lenny" or older runs on it and it was nice
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3400 [17:46:06] <dob1> to be clear, now I am using buster
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3402 [17:46:42] <dob1> it was better with the old debian
3403 [17:46:56] <EdePopede> you had a visible mouse cursor ;)
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3405 [17:47:35] <dob1> what was the name of the mouse support in
framebuffer? I wanna try it if it works there
3406 [17:47:38] <dob1> I don't remember the name
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3408 [17:47:45] <dob1> gdx
3409 [17:47:51] <towo`> gpm
3410 [17:47:54] <dob1> ah ok
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3413 [17:48:42] <dob1> it works non framebuffer
3414 [17:49:07] <dob1> but not on xorg.... damn
3415 [17:50:18] <towo`> why should gpm works on x?
3416 [17:50:29] <towo`> x has it's own mouse
3417 [17:51:54] <dob1> yes, but I can confirm mouse is ok
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3453 [18:26:05] <dmt> gpm indeed :) for tty
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3456 [18:26:55] <dmt> debian 7 for example has problems with SSL
in browsers like links2
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3479 [18:44:16] <Casper26> Is there a way to reinstall grub from
the Debian live cd?
3480 [18:44:24] <somiaj> !fixmbr
3481 [18:44:24] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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3483 [18:45:26] <somiaj> note if you use the debian install cd in
rescue mode, and state your root partition, it will do all the
mounting/chrooting for you
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3485 [18:48:22] <Casper26> Process the same if /bbot is seperate
partition?
3486 [18:48:38] <somiaj> you'll have to mount /target/boot as
part
3487 [18:48:49] <Casper26> Thank you
3488 [18:49:09] <somiaj> baislcaly you'll have to mount
enough of your filesystem tree to have the binaries you need to
run/install grub, so you if /usr, /var, etc are aslso seperate
partitions should mount those
3489 [18:49:33] <somiaj> you don't really need to mount /home
for this process since you will do it as root and won't need
anything in /home, but it can't hurt
3490 [18:49:58] <Casper26> Just /boot and /home are seperate
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3492 [18:50:09] <somiaj> you need to mount /boot, /home is
optional
3493 [18:50:18] <Casper26> Got it
3494 [18:50:23] <Casper26> Thanks again
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3547 [19:59:24] <hsn> buster is latest debian release?
3548 [19:59:46] <nkuttler> yes
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3551 [20:00:10] <hsn> thanks
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3592 [20:44:08] <netcrash> Hello, Was there any change in mariadb
server 10.3 recently regarding connection timeouts?
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3595 [20:48:24] <sney> nope, most recent mariadb-10.3 upload was
in October
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3605 [21:02:57] <alexrelis[m]> Is there a way to restore just a
single file with Deja-Dup?
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3627 [21:28:31] <Fish-Guts> Hi. not sure i'm in the right
place. i'm running debian 10 and installed apache2 webserver.
port 80 is open yet the server is not accessible from outside. what
can I check?
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3629 [21:28:54] <sney> hi Fish-Guts, this is the right place.
3630 [21:29:09] <sney> what do you mean "from outside"?
is this webserver on your local network?
3631 [21:29:54] <Fish-Guts> no, it's an external server.
connection to port 80 works directly on the server but not from my
local machine
3632 [21:30:00] <Fish-Guts> netstat shows tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::*
LISTEN -
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3634 [21:30:20] <sney> that's ipv6 only, are you connecting
over ipv6?
3635 [21:30:45] <Dagger> v6 sockets listening on :: can accept v4
connections, provided that net.ipv6.bindv6only is left at its
default value of 0
3636 [21:31:02] <Fish-Guts> hold let me check
3637 [21:31:09] <sney> sorry, :: is ipv6 *localhost*.
3638 [21:31:36] <Dagger> :: is "any address", not
localhost. localhost is ::1
3639 [21:31:42] <Fish-Guts> I did try setting the bind to
0.0.0.0:80 to specifcally listen to ipv4 connections
3640 [21:32:06] <sney> derp, I haven't looked at inet6 in a
while
3641 [21:32:17] <Fish-Guts> :)
3642 [21:33:07] <Fish-Guts> my apache ports.conf is using the
default setting: Listen 80
3643 [21:34:13] <Fish-Guts> i think it may be a permission issue
since calling it directly on the server returns a 403
3644 [21:34:33] <Fish-Guts> HTTP request sent, awaiting
response... 403 Forbidden
3645 [21:34:34] <Fish-Guts> 2021-04-09 21:33:48 ERROR 403:
Forbidden.
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3647 [21:36:23] <Dagger> if you can't connect, the problem
isn't that the HTTP queries you would've sent if you could
connect would've returned a 403
3648 [21:36:28] <Dagger> the problem is that you can't
connect
3649 [21:36:38] <Fish-Guts> true
3650 [21:36:58] <Fish-Guts> ufw status returns
replaced-url
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3654 [21:41:05] <Fish-Guts> i switched the binding back to ipv4
just in case. same result
3655 [21:41:06] <Fish-Guts> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
19296/apache2
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3665 [21:49:46] <jhutchins> What is it with people breaking things
with firewall tools this week?
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3670 [21:50:31] <sney> this week?
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3672 [21:52:17] <jhutchins> sney: Yeah, seems to have been daily.
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3688 [21:57:30] <hansol> guys, i have made changes in
/etc/network/interfaces
3689 [21:57:43] <hansol> how to restart network to load new
changes ?
3690 [21:58:06] <greycat> Depends on what you changed. The BEST
way is to down the interface BEFORE making the changes, then change,
then up the interface.
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3692 [21:58:36] <greycat> If you converted an interface from dhcp
to static, without downing it beforehand, then there'll be a
running DHCP client daemon you'll need to stop by hand.
3693 [21:58:59] <greycat> Apart from that, though, it's
basically just "ifdown foo" and "ifup foo".
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3695 [22:00:09] <jhutchins> Isn't there a networking service
you can restart?
3696 [22:00:33] <hansol> i dont know i changed from dhcp to
stastic
3697 [22:00:45] <hansol> then what i have to restart the
netwroking ?
3698 [22:00:59] <greycat> ifdown, ifup, and find the PID of the
dhcp client daemon and kill it
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3700 [22:01:08] <greycat> not necessarily in that order
3701 [22:01:19] <hansol> so ?
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3703 [22:01:25] <snowflake> latest stable
3704 [22:01:37] <jhutchins> snowflake: buster
3705 [22:01:51] <snowflake> (oh, sorry, I didn't scroll down)
:D
3706 [22:02:17] <hansol> i have to restart whole machine ?
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3708 [22:02:26] <greycat> ifdown, ifup, and find the PID of the
dhcp client daemon and kill it
3709 [22:02:53] <hansol> ifdown command not found
3710 [22:02:58] <greycat> !buster su
3711 [22:02:59] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). See
replaced-url
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3713 [22:03:27] <hansol> greycat understand now
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3715 [22:05:56] <hansol> guys, what mean mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state DOWN group default qlen 1000 ?
3716 [22:06:43] <hansol> im using vmware strange but i cannot see
a network adapter in connections like before for vmware
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3721 [22:12:58] <tomreyn> isnt it ip set down / ip set up nowadays
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3723 [22:13:23] <greycat> that doesn't read the configuration
in /etc/network/interfaces which is Debian specific and uses Debian
tools: ifup and ifdown
3724 [22:13:37] <tomreyn> oh ok
3725 [22:13:49] <greycat> if you're trying to bypass
Debian's stuff and operate on the raw interface by hand, then
yes, you use the ip command
3726 [22:14:06] <Fish-Guts> i have now reinstalled apache2
completely and set the permission correclty - still cannot connect
from outside
3727 [22:14:45] <tomreyn> Fish-Guts: based on your previous
reports, the problem is anywhere outside of this system
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3729 [22:16:47] <imMute> tomreyn: the stuff using the ip command
directly set kernel configuration. all the networking tools
(ifupdown, NetworkManager, networkd, etc) all use that interface too
3730 [22:17:02] <Fish-Guts> hmm strange. i mean it's plain
port 80. it's open according to ufw status. i remember that
tomcat has restrictions on running port 80 as non-root - does apache
have similar restrictions?
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3732 [22:17:34] <greycat> you said it doesn't connect from
other system -- does it work if you connect to localhost? if so,
then it's listening on port 80.
3733 [22:17:48] <tomreyn> imMute: thanks, got it
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3739 [22:18:45] <imMute> greycat: it might be listening on
localhost:80 instead of 0.0.0.0:80 though. still a good first check
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3741 [22:19:19] <Fish-Guts> greycat: yes on the shell on the
server connection to localhost if fine
3742 [22:19:19] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Apache does not have
default restrictions that I recall, but it does have allow/deny
settings in several places.
3743 [22:19:48] <Fish-Guts> from my local shell to the remote http
server i get timeouts
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3745 [22:20:25] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins ok i'll check the conf,
hold on
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3749 [22:21:11] <tomreyn> how are you testing from your local
shell
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3751 [22:21:47] <Fish-Guts> tomreyn with a wget against the
hostname / IP
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3754 [22:22:12] <tomreyn> use nc -vv ip.address.of.server 80
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3756 [22:22:50] <tomreyn> it will either sit there and do nothing
or say that it connected fine, and then just sit there
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3758 [22:22:58] <Fish-Guts> tomreyn no response (timeout)
3759 [22:23:10] <tomreyn> that fast?
3760 [22:23:17] <Fish-Guts> well not really a timeout - just
sittin there
3761 [22:23:20] <Fish-Guts> doing nothing
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3763 [22:23:52] <jhutchins> wget should work, should retrieve the
index.html or give a permissions error as opposed to timing out.
3764 [22:23:54] <tomreyn> so your client is unable to setup a tcp
conection to port 80 on the given ip address
3765 [22:24:28] <Fish-Guts> tomreyn that would be my guess yes, i
just can't figure out why - the port is open
3766 [22:24:42] <tomreyn> possible reasons there include a
firewall (which can be between systems, not just on the target
system)
3767 [22:24:52] <Fish-Guts> i'll check from another server
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3770 [22:25:02] <johnfg> hi folks
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3772 [22:25:07] <tomreyn> no, the port is closed, at least as seen
from your client
3773 [22:25:18] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Might want to see what nmap
says.
3774 [22:25:31] <johnfg> Getting some errors concerning a pkg from
apt update/upgrade.
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3776 [22:26:44] <johnfg> libenchant1c2a : Depends:
libhunspell-1.4-0 but it is not installable
3777 [22:26:44] <jhutchins> johnfg: "Getting some errors
..." is an utterly useless statement.
3778 [22:26:46] <johnfg> E: Unable to correct problems, you have
held broken packages.
3779 [22:27:09] <johnfg> I know that, I'm a bit slow -
multi-tasking.
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3783 [22:27:45] <Iarfen> hi!
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3787 [22:28:04] <jhutchins> johnfg: There should be more to it
than that. Does it say what package?
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3789 [22:28:34] <jhutchins> johnfg: Does it say what error
it's trying to correct? What's in the log?
3790 [22:28:42] <johnfg> jhutchins: libenchant1c2a/unknown
1.6.1-1+0~20210212.1+debian9~1.gbp73138d amd64 [upgradable from:
1.6.0-11.1+b1]
3791 [22:29:22] <greycat> ,v libenchant1c2a
3792 [22:29:23] <judd> Package: libenchant1c2a on amd64 -- jessie:
1.6.0-10.1; stretch: 1.6.0-11+b1; buster: 1.6.0-11.1+b1
3793 [22:29:26] <johnfg> followed by: N: There is 1 additional
version. Please use the '-a' switch to see it
3794 [22:29:38] <greycat> johnfg: you've got non-Debian
sources.
3795 [22:30:06] <johnfg> greycat: Should I remove it then?
3796 [22:30:14] <Fish-Guts> nmap output is interesting. says one
open port, not 80
3797 [22:31:14] <johnfg> How do I find what's using
libenchant1c2a?
3798 [22:31:33] <greycat> One way to do it is to try to remove it,
and see what else apt would have to remove to achieve that. Then
just say no.
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3800 [22:32:25] <johnfg> greycat: Thanks, I'll do that and
report back.
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3807 [22:35:13] <johnfg> greycat:
replaced-url
3808 [22:35:43] <johnfg> I think it has to do with aspell.
3809 [22:35:56] <greycat> that... makes a punnish sort of sense.
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3815 [22:39:51] <johnfg> Is there a way I can switch to the debian
version, while uninstalling the other?
3816 [22:41:10] <greycat> Purge it, fix sources.list if needed,
then install it.
3817 [22:41:26] <greycat> it's not like your system is going
to explode if you purge aspell
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3819 [22:42:06] <johnfg> Oh, so purge aspell. It won't try to
uninstall all that stuff I showed in my paste?
3820 [22:42:22] <Fish-Guts> something else is interesting - when I
disable the firewall i get an instant "connection refused"
error when connecting to the server on port 80 -when i enable the
firewall is won't connect but still not saying anything
3821 [22:42:44] <greycat> I didn't look at your thing. dpaste
is one of those sites that you can't view in curl AFAIK.
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3823 [22:43:16] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: paste.debian.net
3824 [22:43:33] <jhutchins> Re, johnfg
3825 [22:43:41] <johnfg> It was the libenchant pkg that wanted to
uninstall a lot!
3826 [22:43:51] <johnfg> jhutchins: paste there instead?
3827 [22:44:01] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Ok, the "connection
refused" should log something.
3828 [22:44:14] <jhutchins> johnfg: If you want greycat to look at
it, yes.
3829 [22:44:52] <greycat> it might be helpful (or not) if you said
what your non-Debian sources were, so we have some clue what
we're dealing with
3830 [22:44:52] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins well yeah when the firewall
is disabled it refuses all connections - seem natural to me
3831 [22:45:12] <johnfg>
replaced-url
3832 [22:45:14] <machine_1490> Hi, lately I've been getting
some mce errors (replaced-url
3833 [22:45:14] <machine_1490> kernel from around six months ago?
Thanks!
3834 [22:45:31] <greycat> !snapshot
3835 [22:45:31] <dpkg>
replaced-url
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3839 [22:49:22] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: pastebin your ports.conf
3840 [22:49:28] <hansol> guys, i can see on router the linux ip
but i dont have internet on the linux machine
3841 [22:49:43] <machine_1490> That's great! How do I find
the kernel in use in Debian 10 in September with that site?
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3843 [22:50:01] <machine_1490> September 2020
3844 [22:50:07] <jhutchins> hansol: Insufficient data.
3845 [22:50:14] <greycat> I suppose you can read the changelog of
the kernel you already have, and see which version was uploaded
around September.
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3847 [22:50:26] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins:
replaced-url
3848 [22:50:44] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: I'll be a minute.
3849 [22:50:49] <johnfg>
replaced-url
3850 [22:50:52] <Fish-Guts> no worries
3851 [22:51:39] <hansol> jhutchins what that means
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3856 [22:54:15] <greycat> johnfg: so what happens when you purge
the offending library, and did you track down the non-Debian source
it's coming from, or are you intentionally hiding that from us?
3857 [22:55:07] <yetoo> I am trying to see if my current SSD model
was blacklisted for the kernel current buster is based off of buster
(uname -r says 4.9.0-4-amd64 (based off of 4.9.0 I assume)). How can
I check drivers/ata/libata-core.c in the debian repository as I
don't see it. My ssd isn't technically listed in the 4.9
or master but the standard variant is for just 4.9 and I;m curious
3858 [22:55:34] <johnfg> greycat: No, not hiding anything. Did you
see what I pasted as to what would be removed if I did an apt remove
libenchant1c2a? And my sources.list is pretty clean.
3859 [22:55:40] <greycat> 4.9 is a stretch kernel; buster is on
4.19
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3861 [22:56:02] <greycat> johnfg: sources.list.d/ then. it's
gotta be coming from *somewhere*.
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3863 [22:56:21] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Mine just has Listen 80
3864 [22:56:32] <johnfg> The only thing that's not debian, I
guess, is the docker line: deb [arch=amd64]
replaced-url
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3866 [22:56:41] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins doesn't work either -
tried both settings
3867 [22:56:53] <johnfg> Is that okay, as I run (or ddev does)
docker?
3868 [22:57:02] <greycat> Not touching that with a 10 foot pole.
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3870 [22:57:17] <yetoo> greycat: that's disturbing,
lsb_release -a shows Release: 10 and Codename: Buster
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3872 [22:58:25] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts:
replaced-url
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3876 [22:59:07] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Remember to restart Apache.
3877 [22:59:36] <johnfg> greycat: I do have other lists in
sources.list.d, but none of them explicitly refer to that lib.
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3879 [22:59:56] <Fish-Guts> pasted, restarted. same result
3880 [23:00:27] <jhutchins> yetoo: What's special/different
about your SSD that it wouldn't be supported by the usual SATA
drivers?
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3883 [23:01:13] <jhutchins> johnfg: sources.list is for
repositories, not packages.
3884 [23:02:47] <johnfg> jhutchins: Yes, I knew that, but was
trying to figure out then where the non-debian pkg was coming from.
3885 [23:02:48] <Fish-Guts> maybe i'll just get rid of ufw
and reinstall that one as well
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3887 [23:04:09] <yetoo> jhutchins: Nothing really, it's a
Samsung SSD 860 EVO mSATA 500GB but the 4.9 kernel blacklisted
Samsung SSD 8* where as master just blacklists Samsung SSD 840* and
Samsung SSD 850*. I know these are completely different versions
from mine, but I just want to see if somehow there is a blacklist on
a 860 range on debian's kernel
3888 [23:05:07] <oxek> is packages.debian.org down for anyone
else?
3889 [23:05:37] <sney> nope, downfor.io/packages.debian.org
3890 [23:05:48] <imMute> oxek: page loads, but searching times out
3891 [23:05:52] <oxek> hmm, nice, my ISP is probably blocking
debian again then
3892 [23:06:05] <jhutchins> yetoo: I've never heard of drives
being blacklisted, so I'm no help.
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3895 [23:07:23] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: You don't have selinux
or apparmore enabled, do you?
3896 [23:07:34] <yetoo> jhutchins: it happens due to
trim/acpi/interfacing errors that are temporarily/long-term
unresolved
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3899 [23:08:23] <johnfg> So, is there anyway, without removing all
those programs, like my desktop(!), that I can replace the
non-debian pkg with the debian pkg?
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3901 [23:09:04] <greycat> download and install it by hand. if
it'll let you.
3902 [23:09:25] <yetoo> I'm going to reboot as I just
belatedly installed buster kernel
3903 [23:09:39] <jhutchins> johnfg: I think if you purge it with
dpkg it won't remove dependencies.
3904 [23:09:43] <jhutchins> greycat: ?
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3906 [23:09:59] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins apparmor seems to be loaded
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3908 [23:11:07] <Fish-Guts>
replaced-url
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3911 [23:11:56] <greycat> jhutchins: It's really not
confusing. He would download the .deb from packages.debian.org or
wherever, and try to install it with dpkg -i, and see what explodes.
I bet it won't be allowed due to dependencies.
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3915 [23:13:05] <johnfg> greycat: jhutchins: Thanks for trying to
sort out this mess.
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3921 [23:16:15] <johnfg>
replaced-url
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3924 [23:17:14] <greycat> uh... that looks like you didn't
actually change anything
3925 [23:17:25] <greycat> (1.6.0-11.1+b1) over (1.6.0-11.1+b1)
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3928 [23:19:00] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: The only thing I know to do
with apparmor is remove it. I know a tinybit about selinux.
3929 [23:19:23] <Fish-Guts> selinux doesn't seem to be enable
3930 [23:20:13] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Have you looked through the
logs yet?
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3932 [23:20:43] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins no i have not. hold on
3933 [23:21:04] <johnfg> greycat: So even though it looked to have
installed the debian pkg., it still didn't? Or do I have them
both?
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3935 [23:22:46] <greycat> *sigh*
3936 [23:22:48] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins nothing out of the ordinary
in the los
3937 [23:22:50] <Fish-Guts> *logs
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3939 [23:22:58] <jhutchins> johnfg: The output of commands,
particularly errors, is very important.
3940 [23:23:01] <greycat> johnfg: for once, try actually READING
what it says.
3941 [23:23:53] <jhutchins> syslog, auth, messages, access.log,
error.log - restart apache and read what that logs.
3942 [23:24:02] <greycat> Go back to the first thing you said, and
the first thing I said. You said "it wants to upgrade to this
non-Debian version" and I said "you have non-Debian
sources".
3943 [23:24:20] <greycat> Now decide what you want to do about
that.
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3946 [23:25:22] <johnfg> Should I just move each list out of the
sources.list.d, one-by-one, and see which is the offending repo?
3947 [23:25:35] <greycat> *plonk*
3948 [23:25:41] <greycat> Unfuckingbelievable.
3949 [23:25:46] <johnfg> Doing an apt update inbetween?
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3953 [23:28:54] <johnfg> Ok, I got it with the first removal, it
was php.list.
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3958 [23:29:56] <greycat> If you're still here, you might
want to look at "apt policy libenchant1c2a"
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3960 [23:30:20] <johnfg> Did you think you'd offended me off?
3961 [23:30:27] <johnfg> And I'll look.
3962 [23:31:10] <jhutchins> johnfg: It should be indicated in the
package name, but it's not. You could search the web for that
package name. You could see what info the package has. Is there a
README?
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3965 [23:33:46] <johnfg> jhutchins: If I'm understanding you,
and talking about libenchant, there is the info on its
packages.debian.org page. Is that what you were referring to?
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3968 [23:37:08] <jhutchins> johnfg: Obviously not, the information
on the source page, the information in /usr/share/doc/lib...
3969 [23:37:28] <jhutchins> johnfg: THere are queries you can run
against dpkg and apt if they've provided info in the package.
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3977 [23:42:56] <johnfg> I guess, after viewing the README, and
getting rid of the offending repo, and not getting any more message
about anything being upgradeable, I'll leave well enough alone.
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3979 [23:43:19] <johnfg> Thanks again for helping.
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3981 [23:44:01] <johnfg> jhutchins: Is there anything else
you'd recommend in that regards?
3982 [23:45:01] <jhutchins> You should be ok now. You could run
apt -f install, but I doubt it'll do anything.
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3985 [23:47:58] <whaf> How can I install the intel driver for a
videocard? glxinfo says that lvmpipe is used now.
3986 [23:48:34] <sney> !i915 firmware
3987 [23:48:34] <dpkg> Some Intel UHD GPUs made after 2015 require
firmware from userspace for all features to be enabled. This
includes Skylake, Kabylake, Broxton, Cannonlake and possibly others.
Ask me about <non-free sources> and install
firmware-misc-nonfree to provide.
3988 [23:49:06] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins i believe i may be making
some headway. i have reset all iptable rules and now i get a direct
connections refused error
3989 [23:49:15] <Fish-Guts> it's not just sitting there
anymore
3990 [23:49:25] <alexrelis[m]> Okay, side question: why do newer
Intel CPUs need firmware when older Intels don't need it?
3991 [23:49:45] <johnfg> jhutchins: Ok.
3992 [23:49:46] <sney> because intel decided they wanted some
driver components to be closed source
3993 [23:50:08] <alexrelis[m]> sney: Omg.. that blows.
3994 [23:50:15] <sney> yep!
3995 [23:50:27] <johnfg> jhutchins: Correct, it didn't do
anything.
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3997 [23:51:38] <Fish-Guts> however, nmap on the domain shows:
80/tcp closed http
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4000 [23:53:28] <whaf> sney: firmware-misc-nonfree is installed
4001 [23:53:52] <sney> whaf: did you reboot after installing the
firmware?
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4003 [23:54:23] <whaf> sney: yes
4004 [23:54:41] <sney> whaf: which gpu is it?
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4006 [23:55:25] <whaf> sney: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller:
Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07)
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4008 [23:56:42] <sney> whaf: ok, do you also have libglx-mesa0
installed?
4009 [23:57:14] <whaf> sney: yes
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4012 [23:58:51] <sney> whaf: odd, that should be all you need.
maybe try a newer kernel from buster-backports.
4013 [23:59:58] <wyoung> I am getting CVE vulnerbilities with my
Debian Buster docker image. Any ETA on a fix?
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