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3[00:00:32] <user2323> It was because of a silly slip up in my guides instructions. The last item is supposed to end in .txt. That isn't the only slip up in the guide.
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6[00:04:00] <jhutchins> user2323: *nix doesn't care about file extensions.
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10[00:07:09] <user2323> No this is a purely Windows, excessively step-by-step beginners guide, so that .txt should have been there. Perhaps the person who wrote it made that slip up because of being used to Linux. And if Linux doesn't care about file extensions, than what about when two files have the same name, but a different extension?
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26[00:16:35] <user2323> Now my instructions say to verify the Debian image using sha256sum.exe and sha256.sum. I have both of those files, but the query my guide is asking me to use isn't working. This is the query: ”C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\sha256sum.exe” -c sha256.sum
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29[00:17:44] <dvs> Is the Debian image in the same directory too?
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31[00:17:49] <user2323> yeah
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33[00:18:06] <dvs> So what isn't working?
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36[00:19:02] <user2323> The guide says to copy and paste that query into CMD and when I do it says 'the filename...is incorrect'
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43[00:23:51] <user2323> I just Googled how to verify a Debian image. It will be easier to find instructions for that than it would be for anything else that my guide asks me to do and the verifying of the image is the last step I have to do.
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49[00:24:34] <dokma> Can files under any linux filesystem be marked as "reuse this file as free space if needed" ????
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51[00:26:11] <jhutchins> user2323: Usually the format is something like md5sum debianimage.iso
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53[00:26:14] <dvs> user2323, I'd just run "sha256sum.exe <filename>.iso" and compare it to what's in sha256.som
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55[00:26:28] <jhutchins> user2323: It depends on what utility you're using to check the sum.
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60[00:28:55] <uniqdom> Hello, I need to have a USB drive with two partitions, one for a Debian 9.3 LiveCD and the other one as user data storage. In the user partition I need to store some secret data. What would be the best encryption scheme (encrypted partition, .private folder encryption, file encrypted with gnupg, etc) if:
61[00:29:04] <uniqdom> 1) I need to boot the computer from the LiveCD.
62[00:29:09] <uniqdom> 2) The computer will not have an Internet connection.
63[00:29:15] <uniqdom> 3) I can't install .deb packages from the second partition or another drive.
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68[00:30:48] <xar-> user2323: if you're on windows, there's always Get-FileHash cmdlet
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75[00:32:21] <xar-> no need to leverage third-party programs when there's a hash check solution literally shipped with your OS
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103[00:45:38] <user2323> are the default settings for ImgBurn good enough for burning a Debian image to CD? The program has a lot of options in Settings.
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108[00:47:56] <dvs> Never used it
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113[00:48:45] <xar-> user2323: replaced-url
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116[00:50:01] <xar-> user2323: i've used imgburn in the past, and I like it, but win32diskimager is what's recommended in the online debian docs, refer to: replaced-url
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120[00:51:43] <notadrop> Hi, any thoughts on scripts which add repos from other (Debian-derived) distros, in order to install some programs from them?
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122[00:51:53] <notadrop> ...with regard to stability, security, etc.
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134[00:55:04] <xar-> notadrop: there's add-apt-repository, you'll need to install software-properties-common
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139[00:56:11] <xar-> strike that, looks like it's in python-software-properties now
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150[01:00:08] <Megaf> will the 686 kernel work on Pentium IIs?
151[01:00:44] <dvs> O_O
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163[01:01:47] <Rasiel1> How old cpu it is !
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166[01:02:29] <dvs> at least 20
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193[01:09:42] <jorb> so im trying to decide what i should use for my home web server, trying to branch out from Apache
194[01:09:57] <jorb> its between haproxy and nginx
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197[01:10:46] <jorb> i want to configure HTTPS + SNI so that I can put multiple hosts behind the same IP with TLS
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199[01:11:03] <_KaszpiR_> nginx
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201[01:11:10] <_KaszpiR_> nginx can do what haproxy does
202[01:11:46] <jorb> but, haproxy can do what nginx does
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206[01:12:28] <jorb> nginx does have a much more clear looking configuration, but i don't know either, just apache, and barely at that
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210[01:13:12] <_KaszpiR_> haproxy cannot cahce
211[01:13:20] <_KaszpiR_> ergo, haprox != nginx
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213[01:13:38] <_KaszpiR_> also nginx is mutch more better in handling SSL
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225[01:16:39] <notadrop> it seems like when I see an error page, more often than not, the server's running nginx these days
226[01:16:45] <notadrop> I remember it used to be Apache
227[01:17:08] <notadrop> I hope my completely annecdotal comment helps you make your decision
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299[01:51:54] <owl-tech> Hello community. SITUATION: I have to install a station (a POS) evidently, with debian. This I am installing it in a Compac Flash of 16 Gb in a virtual machine with VirtualBox on Ubuntu Studio 17.10. In this context, everything works excellent, but when the installation process ends ... I connect the CF to the POS, initiates Debian at 100% except the network.
300[01:52:06] <owl-tech> in this context
301[01:52:12] <owl-tech> the question...
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303[01:53:11] <owl-tech> what is the way to install ALL the controllers of network card for this POS in the CF?
304[01:53:20] <owl-tech> Thanks!
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372[02:24:19] <notadrop> owl-tech: is this a wired network?
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386[02:31:57] <owl-tech> notadrop, yes
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395[02:37:03] <notadrop> owl-tech: do you want to install all ethernet drivers, or just the drivers for the POS machine?
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398[02:37:39] <damo22> is there going to be a kernel update soon for intel silicon bugs?
399[02:38:17] <owl-tech> notapdrop, thanks again!, i would like to install JUST the POV network controller, but, as i dont know wich one will work...i prefer to install all
400[02:38:42] <notadrop> owl-tech: don't thank me yet ;)
401[02:39:20] <notadrop> so the Debian install is virtualized and you need a network driver for the virtual machine, or the actual hardware?
402[02:39:22] <owl-tech> if you use your time to write to me...that is very thanskfull!
403[02:39:35] <owl-tech> in the other hardware
404[02:39:41] <notadrop> okay
405[02:39:42] <owl-tech> let me try to figurate it
406[02:39:49] <notadrop> and the debian install is in VM or on the machine?
407[02:40:04] <owl-tech> I install it in VM
408[02:40:20] <owl-tech> and I need, after the install process, to put it into the POV
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413[02:42:43] <notadrop> what's a POV?
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415[02:42:59] <notadrop> I'm guessing it's not point of view?
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417[02:43:04] <owl-tech> Sorry
418[02:43:06] <owl-tech> No, no
419[02:43:11] <owl-tech> it is POS
420[02:43:16] <owl-tech> Point of Sale
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424[02:43:55] <owl-tech> it is 0143 here, and last time i sleep just use 3 hours...
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427[02:44:32] <owl-tech> can i share you a picture?
428[02:44:40] <owl-tech> notadrop, can i share you a picture?
429[02:44:53] <notadrop> owl-tech: please do
430[02:45:05] <owl-tech> wait...lets take it...
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432[02:45:52] <damo22> where is the kernel update for meltdown/spectre for debian?
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438[02:47:04] <notadrop> damo22: I'm sure it's being worked on as we speak.
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440[02:47:28] <wpostma> Kernel has to be released before it can be added to Debian.
441[02:47:54] <wpostma> The mitigations will be in a new Kernel version which isn't released yet
442[02:48:17] <damo22> i see, somehow fedora patched it already
443[02:48:58] <notadrop> well fedora is related to redhat, and they submit a lot of kernel code iirc
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446[02:50:27] <damo22> i think i will find a way to run fedora or centos on my raspberry pi
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448[02:50:50] <owl-tech> notadrop, this is the PoS
449[02:50:51] <owl-tech> replaced-url
450[02:50:59] <owl-tech> terminal de punto de venta
451[02:51:02] <owl-tech> in spanish
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453[02:51:41] <damo22> point of sale terminal
454[02:52:18] <wpostma> A pure 4.14.11 kernel is enough, but I don't think there's a version of debian packaged kernel yet, as it was only release 2018-01-04
455[02:52:26] <owl-tech> damo22, thanks!
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457[02:52:46] <wpostma> nothing stopping you from downloading and building the 4.14.11 kernel for your system but some things may not work for you
458[02:52:56] <damo22> wpostma: iiuc you need to build with special flags
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460[02:53:22] <damo22> it required a compiler patch
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468[02:55:11] <damo22> $ uname -r
469[02:55:11] <damo22> 4.14.11-300.fc27.x86_64
470[02:55:46] <notadrop> owl-tech: my best guess is that you would need to enable the nonfree repositories, and install these packages: firmware-myricom, firmware-netxen, firmware-realtek
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473[02:56:10] <notadrop> I'm not sure if that's an exhaustive list or not... I just did a really lazy search with apt
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475[02:56:13] <damo22> has debian considered restricting the number of kernels down to one supported one?
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481[02:56:51] <damo22> that is what fedora does and it seems to make more sense, because there is less to maintain and you can actually support the users
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485[02:58:17] <wpostma> clasically stable debian has been on older kernels. I am interested to see if that changes now
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488[02:59:20] <damo22> i dont imagine debian can backport every security fix to older kernels
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491[03:00:02] <owl-tech> notadrop, that was what i dont want to do, but, if i should...let finish the new proccess of install and do that
492[03:00:05] <wpostma> this one is a bit complex.
493[03:00:09] <damo22> especially with so many variants
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495[03:00:41] <notadrop> owl-tech: good luck!
496[03:01:28] <damo22> yeah, the whole kernel is vulnerable because of the speculative execution order of the instructions on the silicon, you cant really fix it, but you can mitigate its effect i think by compiling it a special way
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499[03:02:10] <wpostma> the linux kernel fix is kpti which is a mitigation, not a fix
500[03:02:36] <damo22> kpti?
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506[03:04:43] <damo22> rumours were that i would lose 30% of performance with this patched kernel, but i havent noticed much difference at all
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509[03:07:14] <wpostma> KPTI kernel page table isolation
510[03:07:43] <damo22> ok
511[03:07:46] <wpostma> essentially a very expensive unmapping of kernel page tables and remapping
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513[03:08:14] <wpostma> it's horrible, and it's why the Linux kernel developers were jokingly talkingabout it as FUCKWIT
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516[03:09:57] <wpostma> Forcefully Unmap Complete Kernel with Interrupt Trampolines. I am sure they were joking.
517[03:10:48] <wpostma> My plan is to move to a Ryzen threadripper workstation
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519[03:11:12] <damo22> i was going to go with talos II
520[03:11:42] <wpostma> if you have megabucks, and want less power than threadripper, that's a great choice
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522[03:12:11] <damo22> i got a pretty cool new job, so i can afford it
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524[03:12:34] <damo22> i want freedom in firmware
525[03:12:42] <wpostma> If I was working for a security conscious employer I would tell them to buy Talos II workstations
526[03:12:58] <damo22> :)
527[03:13:24] <damo22> PSP is b0rked
528[03:14:13] <wpostma> Try something disk heavy, like a kernel build, your patched Fedora system will be slower, probably 10-15%
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530[03:14:32] <damo22> wpostma: replaced-url
531[03:14:33] <wpostma> Unless it didn't enable the KPTI.
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536[03:15:25] <wpostma> Wow. The PSP vuln is not getting enough media notice because of Intelgate
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546[03:19:09] <xar-> Stanto: two hyphens --dport
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550[03:20:17] <damo22> i like the way other OS handles iptables rules, its handy to be able to do "service iptables save" and it saves current rules
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553[03:20:45] <xar-> no reason you can't do that under debian
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555[03:21:04] <damo22> it should be default behaviour
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557[03:21:31] <xar-> that's a slippery slope, your preferred default may not be my preferred default
558[03:21:38] <damo22> :P
559[03:21:46] <damo22> how do you prefer it?
560[03:21:48] <xar-> damo22: apt-cache show iptables-persistent
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566[03:25:14] <damo22> i have a really good set of firewall rules, i developed it over a year or so
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568[03:26:11] <xar-> I was merely making you aware that there's a package that approximates your requested behavior in other distributions (if you already weren't aware) ;)
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571[03:26:31] <wpostma> so just install that package with apt-get and go?
572[03:26:35] <damo22> xar-: yeah thanks!
573[03:27:02] <xar-> we have the BEST firewall policies - Donald, 2018
574[03:27:15] <damo22> i am currently using rc.local to launch my firewall
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578[03:28:48] <wpostma> #stablegenius iptables
579[03:29:02] <damo22> there are other things like firewalld on other os that really complicate firewall handling which i dont like at all
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583[03:31:20] <xar-> a great deal of thought went into it, I think it's worthwhile to explore it
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586[03:32:03] <damo22> on public interfaces, its best to drop private addresses and broadcast/multicast but i dont think many people think to do that
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589[03:34:21] <xar-> I view it more as... complimentary to iptables, like a glorified management overlay ^_^
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591[03:35:41] <damo22> with simple scripts you can write rules that dont drop existing ssh connections even when you close the firewall
592[03:35:51] <xar-> if you're trying to interrogate the system for policies, there's a great many questions that are quite simply easier to ask in conjunction with firewalld compared to legacy bare iptables
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601[03:37:56] <xar-> for the most part it's arguably a bit disengenous to compare them at all, they are in different leagues, to each his/her own though ;)
602[03:37:58] <karlpinc> xar-: My preference is to start with legible firewall rules. I tend toward ferm. (OpenBSD pf is also nice.)
603[03:38:11] <damo22> if you have many chains, it can get confusing with bare iptables, but i usually just run a simple one
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606[03:38:51] <xar-> man firewalld.richlanguage, some cool stuff in there :)
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620[03:42:26] <xar-> looks like the package got spun out at some point, no idea when
621[03:42:38] <xar-> iptables-persistent actually depends on netfilter-persistent, cool
622[03:42:48] <xar-> Depends: netfilter-persistent (= 1.0.3+deb8u1), iptables, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
623[03:43:02] <damo22> spun out?
624[03:43:27] <xar-> must have occured in the last few releases, I don't pay attention enough to track these things
625[03:43:48] <damo22> so what does the package do? allows iptables save?
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627[03:44:25] <karlpinc> xar-: I'll take a look. Thanks. (Someday :)
628[03:44:32] <xar-> netfilter-persistent: /lib/systemd/system/netfilter-persistent.service
629[03:44:59] <xar-> provides a nice unit too, devs are making it too easy these days
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632[03:46:13] <xar-> damo22: essentially yes, it's a framework to load, save, etc. at boot/halt
633[03:46:39] <damo22> nice
634[03:46:54] <xar-> under wheezy, it's likely still called iptables-persistent
635[03:47:09] <xar-> you'll find it, i'm sure :)
636[03:47:12] <damo22> wheezy?? who uses that
637[03:47:44] <damo22> :P
638[03:47:49] <xar-> I've got some parts of my fleet still on it, works great :)
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640[03:48:10] <xar-> I think I have until May to migrate off
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643[03:48:25] <damo22> my rpi is on stretch
644[03:48:40] <xar-> replaced-url
645[03:48:51] <xar-> 31 May 2018
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647[03:49:11] <karlpinc> xar-: Yes and no. Isn't there still long-term support for it? You might be using "standard stuff" that will remain in support(ish).
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651[03:50:05] <xar-> probably, although I don't like to wait until the wheels are falling off :)
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653[03:50:47] <damo22> isnt debian like a car without wheels anyway?
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655[03:51:09] <xar-> self-driving car, futorology!
656[03:51:56] <damo22> or the wheels just fell off ages ago
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658[03:53:09] <RoyK> xar-: replaced-url
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660[03:54:47] <damo22> wait, these are in order right? so first sex in a self driving car happens before full automation without input from driver?
661[03:54:53] <damo22> lol
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663[03:56:05] <xar-> that's great RoyK, thanks for sharing :)
664[03:56:42] <RoyK> xar-: people should read xkcd regularly ;)
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696[04:22:01] <paulez[m]> Hello, has anybody configured with success ipv6 on AWS EC2 with Stretch? I've added "iface eth0 inet6 dhcp" to /etc/network/interfaces but then after the rebooting the instance is unreachable, looks like it fails network configuration
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724[04:35:10] <lol-md5> Caddy server doesn't have a strong channel so I'll ask in here. When I run `sudo -u replaced-url
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731[04:37:07] <lol-md5> (I replaced the real hostname with $hostname in the logs, for privacy)
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744[04:52:12] <lol-md5> Turns out it was the PrivateDevices flag on the systemd unit causing caddy to not be able to bind to 443
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746[04:53:10] <lol-md5> however, when i turn PrivateDevices=true, I get different errors from what I posted. Oh well, it works now ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯
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839[05:56:20] <awal1> does aqemu works fine?
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885[06:21:20] <doctor> set irc_hide_version on
886[06:21:59] <toruvinn> ok
887[06:22:04] <rue_shop> doctor, you'd want a slash infront of that command there
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889[06:22:09] <toruvinn> so you're using a vulnerable irssi, eh?
890[06:22:11] <doctor> got it roger
891[06:22:25] <toruvinn> or actually that's not irssi. ;-)
892[06:22:41] <toruvinn> irc_ stuff was BitchX? epic? been a looooooong time...
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920[06:44:27] <hanasaki> will stretch be able to drive a monitor connected from usbc to hdmi 2.0 ?
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946[07:12:02] <ix_> hello, party people, so I see there is a patch released for the infamous Meltdown bug, but for some reason my updates don't include it, as far as I can tell
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961[07:22:56] <awal1> ix_, and what?
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965[07:25:23] <ix_> awal1, and nothing, I've noticed that I have linux-image-4.9.65-3+deb9u1 installed, not linux-image-4.9.65-3+deb9u2, which includes the patch
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967[07:26:40] <awal1> ixi_, patch will be included with next release, I guess
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969[07:27:49] <ix_> awal1, yeah, I think it's because I don't have stretch-updates in my sources.list
970[07:28:42] <awal1> ix_, not sure if kernel updates goes through ex-volatiles
971[07:29:13] <awal1> i don't think so
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974[07:31:18] <paulez[m]> I fixed my problem with EC2 IPv6 by using isc-dhcp-client instead of dhcpcd
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1026[08:04:57] <vegenaise> lost my network manager icon in the tint2 taskbar. dunno how to pull up the gui to ascertain what network im on, manage the network. any help for a noob?
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1029[08:08:09] <bolt> vegenaise: are you sure network manager is running?
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1032[08:09:40] <vegenaise> well, is there another wifi service it could be? typing from my wifi connected computer currently
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1055[08:25:16] <numbdewd> vegenaise: try "iw list" ?
1056[08:25:42] <numbdewd> there might be some simple commands there where u can scan ("survey") and whatnot, do quite a lot actually, with just them simple commands..
1057[08:26:11] <numbdewd> ifnot network manager..hostapd, wpa_..what was the end of that proc's name..wpa..suppplicant!...
1058[08:26:16] <numbdewd> .anyway,yeah,checkit!
1059[08:26:30] <vegenaise> check survey, or
1060[08:26:46] <numbdewd> yep, sounds like a start.
1061[08:26:55] <vegenaise> command not found
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1063[08:27:12] <numbdewd> iwconfig ?
1064[08:27:15] <numbdewd> apt-get install iw ?
1065[08:27:18] <numbdewd> dunno..sorry
1066[08:27:26] <numbdewd> inetutils-tools, maybe?
1067[08:27:28] <numbdewd> ..unsure.. .
1068[08:27:54] <numbdewd> iproute2, ifup .... net-utils ... getem all! ...prolly wont hurt anyway , eh.
1069[08:28:03] <klys> numbdewd, wireless-tools
1070[08:28:16] <numbdewd> ah..! really.. hmmh.. :s k!
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1072[08:28:34] <vegenaise> that didn't work either, wireless-tools
1073[08:29:02] <klys> ,v wireless-tools
1074[08:29:03] <judd> Package: wireless-tools on amd64 -- jessie: 30~pre9-8; wheezy: 30~pre9-8; buster: 30~pre9-12+b1; sid: 30~pre9-12+b1; stretch: 30~pre9-12+b1
1075[08:29:45] <vegenaise> weird, says i have the latest version of wireless-tools, but i cant launch it with that command, with or without sudo
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1082[08:35:11] <numbdewd> vegenaise: apt-cache search iwconfig or just iw isntead... should find something with it !
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1084[08:36:23] <michael2> hi I was wondering if there are ever scenarios where debian package maintainers accept pre-compiled code into packages?
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1086[08:37:36] <michael2> say if that code/project meet the debian free software guidelines in every other way?
1087[08:37:46] <klys> michael2, the debian free software guidelines (dfsg) might answer those kinds of questions.
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1090[08:38:34] <michael2> klys: most of the packaging documentation relates to licensing and ethical considerations
1091[08:39:08] <klys> michael2, if it's a blob, it's under non-free.
1092[08:39:10] <michael2> what im interested to know is more from a direct, technical perspective
1093[08:39:57] <michael2> so say the project was free and open source, say for example, the vim text editor
1094[08:40:07] <klys> new users are only advised to use blobs if their hardware requires it.
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1099[08:42:15] <michael2> so _some_ copy of the source code was available and the licencing meet the DFSG, would the debian devs or maintainers ever take some version of that code base that was already precompiled - say because it fixed a bug?
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1103[08:43:37] <michael2> to put it another way, is it possible to track the history of a package back to say a branch or commit in the source history?
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1114[08:47:25] <klys> michael2, see for yourself at replaced-url
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1121[08:49:05] <Epakai> michael2: iirc a maintainer's submission includes the package already compiled for one arch. this becomes the official package for that arch. (then the other archs are auto-built), this would only get checked by reproducible builds process as to if it actually matches the uploaded source
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1136[08:55:48] <michael2> oh ok. so the uploaded source becomes the deb-src package and the compiled binary packages - is verifiably linked to that deb-src through through the reproducible builds process?
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1138[08:57:05] <somiaj> michael2: check out virtualbox, it is in contrib because the DFSG bios has to be compiled by a non DFSG compiler.
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1140[08:57:10] <michael2> and every binary package has its corresponding deb-src package? (except for those in non-free)
1141[08:57:13] <bolt> michael2: replaced-url
1142[08:57:20] <Epakai> no, it's basically that maintainers are trusted. reproducible builds is one way to verify that (for packages that build reproducibly)
1143[08:57:48] <somiaj> but if a package cannot be built using only tools in debian, then it cannot be part of debian main.
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1145[08:57:55] <michael2> but not all packages yet are built reproducibly
1146[08:57:56] <michael2> ?
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1148[08:58:19] <somiaj> michael2: there are sites that track this data, but with 20,000+ packages it takes a while
1149[08:58:32] <bolt> michael2: check the link i gave you
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1151[09:00:19] <michael2> bolt: ok I see, thanks
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1247[10:10:54] <epicmetal> Sid's 4.14.0-3-amd64 kernel is patched against Meltdown, right?
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1250[10:12:00] <babilen> epicmetal: replaced-url
1251[10:12:06] <nix64bit> i think its just x86 still waiting to be patched
1252[10:12:16] <babilen> You want 4.14.12-2
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1255[10:13:20] <epicmetal> babilen: is that not in sid main?
1256[10:13:24] <epicmetal> I don't see the binary package
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1258[10:13:32] <epicmetal> As in, apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't get me there
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1261[10:15:12] <babilen> epicmetal: You are after linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64 (which is the package you aimed to refer to earlier, I think)
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1263[10:15:20] <babilen> judd: v linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64
1264[10:15:21] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64 on amd64 -- sid: 4.14.12-2
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1267[10:16:51] <epicmetal> babilen: okay, I'm running that already, but uname -r shows 4.14.0-3-amd64 (not 4.14.12-whatever) -- is this some strange Debian-ism or am I doing it wrong?
1268[10:17:13] <babilen> Take a look at "grep bugs /proc/cpuinfo" -- It should contain "cpu_insecure"
1269[10:17:33] <epicmetal> Yes, I see cpu_insecure
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1271[10:18:00] <babilen> The package version is 4.14.12-2, the ABI/package name is 4.14.0-3-amd64
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1275[10:18:16] <babilen> (there can be multiple ABI compatible ones)
1276[10:18:23] <babilen> dpkg: kernel abi
1277[10:18:23] <dpkg> Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. replaced-url
1278[10:18:51] <epicmetal> babilen: thank you :)
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1282[10:21:35] <babilen> yw
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1300[10:33:51] <Rembo> hello everyone, how can i find wich ip/port is sending traffic/flood from my server?
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1306[10:36:53] <bolt> Rembo: iftop?
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1308[10:37:24] <isomorph> Rembo: iptraf might also help
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1333[10:53:51] <hexnewbie> Regarding Spectre/Meltdown, there's new Intel microcode in Sid that's not yet made it to stretch-backports or jessie-backports-sloppy. I was wondering if backporting manually is easier with microcode (as that's just a bunch of binaries + bash script, or?) than with proper binary packages with lots of dependencies. Could I expect backporting myself to mostly work out of the box, or should I wait for the backports team to handle this? :)
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1336[10:54:11] <zomaar> What happened to libui-dialog-perl in stretch?
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1341[10:59:43] <jelly> ,v libui-dialog-perl
1342[10:59:45] <judd> Package: libui-dialog-perl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.08-1.1; jessie: 1.09-1; sid: 1.09-1
1343[11:00:10] <jelly> dpkg, why is libui-dialog-perl not in testing
1344[11:00:10] <dpkg> libui-dialog-perl is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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1348[11:01:09] <jelly> zomaar: unfixed CVE, #496448
1349[11:01:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1352[11:02:19] <zomaar> Never mind
1353[11:02:33] <zomaar> And thanks :).
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1356[11:03:54] <jelly> says it's fixed in 1.13 upstream version, you could dh-make-perl a newer one I guess
1357[11:04:01] <zomaar> I found the answer I needed in replaced-url
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1360[11:07:02] <zomaar> I was just trying to bootstrap stretch with jessie and it failed on that package
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1382[11:20:08] <zomaar> I could download a container using the -t download template but it's different from what the debian template creates, apparently.
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1476[12:19:33] <Cybertinus> hi
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1478[12:19:58] <Cybertinus> I'm trying to update a Debian 9.3 machine to install the latest kernel to mitigate the Meltdown issue
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1480[12:20:13] <Cybertinus> but when I run apt update && apt upgrade as root it says that there are no updates available
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1482[12:21:57] <GNU\colossus> Cybertinus, what does `apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 | fgrep Installed:` show?`
1483[12:22:04] <GNU\colossus> and what does `uname -r` show?
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1485[12:23:11] <Cybertinus> GNU\colossus: replaced-url
1486[12:23:15] <Cybertinus> it has the correct package installed
1487[12:23:22] <Cybertinus> but it isn't running this kernel
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1489[12:24:02] <GNU\colossus> Cybertinus, a reboot should fix that :)
1490[12:24:16] <Cybertinus> when I check /boot I only see vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-amd64 vmlinuz-4.9.0-4-amd64. On a different machine I see vmlinuz-4.9.0-4-amd64 and vmlinuz-4.9.0-5-amd64 available
1491[12:24:42] <Cybertinus> yeah, but before I reboot (it is a production server, I don't want to reboot it too often ;) )
1492[12:24:53] <GNU\colossus> hm, that's odd. you might want to try `apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-amd64` then and see what happens
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1494[12:24:56] <Cybertinus> before I reboot I need to know the correct kernel will start running
1495[12:25:03] <GNU\colossus> is /boot on a separate file systems for you?
1496[12:25:21] <GNU\colossus> if so, it might not have been mounted when you upgraded the kernel package
1497[12:25:22] <Cybertinus> yes
1498[12:25:30] <Cybertinus> it is mounted at the moment
1499[12:25:43] <Cybertinus> it is mounted rw
1500[12:25:43] <GNU\colossus> yeah, I figured
1501[12:25:51] <Cybertinus> with 162 MB of diskspace available
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1503[12:25:58] <GNU\colossus> try reinstalling the kernel package
1504[12:26:02] <Cybertinus> so, installing a new kernel shouldn't be an issue
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1506[12:26:04] <GNU\colossus> and check what apt reports
1507[12:26:21] <Cybertinus> doing that now
1508[12:26:36] <Cybertinus> I was looking for the reinstall command just now, but I couldn't find it
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1510[12:26:58] <GNU\colossus> `apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-amd64`
1511[12:27:14] <Cybertinus> I normally run CentOS on my machines, but this machine needs to run Debian, so I'm a bit helpless sometimes :)
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1517[12:29:44] <Cybertinus> replaced-url
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1519[12:30:00] <Cybertinus> still only -3 and -4
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1521[12:30:35] <Cybertinus> (the slow transfer rate has to do with the fact that it tried to get a IPv6 connection first, but that failed and it had to wait for the timeout)
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1523[12:31:44] <GNU\colossus> does `apt-cache policy linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64` say it's installed?
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1526[12:32:04] <GNU\colossus> you may want/need to reinstall this package instead, just like you did before
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1528[12:32:11] <GNU\colossus> if the files ended up at the wrong location
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1533[12:32:32] <kinkmaster> hello
1534[12:32:34] <kinkmaster> quick question
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1537[12:32:56] <kinkmaster> how can I tell dkms where the proper kernel folder is?
1538[12:33:27] <kinkmaster> it's looking for /lib/modules/4.14.12 although the folder is called /lib/modules/4.14.12-mainline-rev1
1539[12:33:46] <Cybertinus> GNU\colossus: replaced-url
1540[12:34:09] <towo`> 4.14.12-mainline-rev1 is not a debian kernel
1541[12:34:14] <kinkmaster> i know
1542[12:34:28] <kinkmaster> i'm on a VPS
1543[12:34:57] <GNU\colossus> Cybertinus, that is odd; can you `apt-get update` and rerun that command?
1544[12:35:05] <kinkmaster> I already need to build the module against 4.14.0 headers, this sucks balls
1545[12:35:11] <kinkmaster> support wasn't really helpfule either
1546[12:35:16] <kinkmaster> s/lu/ll
1547[12:35:19] <kinkmaster> dang
1548[12:35:39] <towo`> kinkmaster, you can't build 3rd party modules, if your system is not running an own kernel
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1553[12:36:23] <kinkmaster> towo`: it builds fine though
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1555[12:36:31] <Cybertinus> GNU\colossus: replaced-url
1556[12:36:56] <Cybertinus> I've checked the mirror via my browser, the correct version is available as a .deb package on it
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1558[12:37:04] <towo`> kinkmaster, and then? you cant load modules to your running outside kernel
1559[12:37:12] <Cybertinus> I've also tried to remove /var/cache/apt, but that also didn't change anything
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1562[12:38:01] <GNU\colossus> Cybertinus, your mix of stretch, sid and jessie would worry me a bit... however, I'm not sure why you can't find the package in your index
1563[12:38:14] <GNU\colossus> can you nopaste `dpkg --get-selections "*linux*"`?
1564[12:38:30] <Tarrasquero> apt-cache policy linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
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1566[12:39:10] <Tarrasquero> 5 > 4
1567[12:39:44] <Tarrasquero> apt-cache policy linux-image-`uname -r`
1568[12:39:50] <Tarrasquero> ?
1569[12:40:01] <Cybertinus> GNU\colossus: replaced-url
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1575[12:41:29] <GNU\colossus> Cybertinus, what does your sources.list look like?
1576[12:41:46] <GNU\colossus> or better yet, the output of `apt-cache policy`
1577[12:42:25] <Cybertinus> Tarrasquero: replaced-url
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1580[12:43:38] <Tarrasquero> :O
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1582[12:43:42] <Cybertinus> GNU\colossus: replaced-url
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1586[12:44:33] <Tarrasquero> /etc/apt/preferences and apt.conf
1587[12:44:49] <Tarrasquero> /etc/apt/preferences and apt.conf
1588[12:45:09] <Tarrasquero> paste
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1590[12:48:06] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: jessie, stretch and sid?
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1593[12:48:19] <Tarrasquero> pidnig?
1594[12:49:04] <Cybertinus> We use Stretch for the OS, those Jessie and sid repo's are for specific tools (ntop and bird), they don't have anything to do with a kernel
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1596[12:49:15] <Cybertinus> but you are right, this should all be the same version
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1598[12:49:44] <Tarrasquero> preferences and apt.conf
1599[12:49:51] <Tarrasquero> paste
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1603[12:51:15] <Cybertinus> Tarrasquero: replaced-url
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1606[12:52:16] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: you need preferences apt.conf
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1608[12:52:59] <Cybertinus> replaced-url
1609[12:53:00] <RebelCoder> Hi Guys. I have a fresh Debain 9 Testing installed. I see some red [FAILED] lines during a quick loading.... how can I go back to see what is failing to load ? It loads and works just fine though.
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1611[12:53:19] <Cybertinus> and /etc/apt/preferences.d/ is empty
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1615[12:54:52] <wob_jonas> Hi guys. Aptitude is telling me that there are no upgrades to any packages in like three weeks, which is pretty unlikely. I think either my sources.list is wrong or something's been installing newer packages without my knowledge.
1616[12:54:59] <wob_jonas> My sources.list is at replaced-url
1617[12:55:08] <Tarrasquero> ,pidnig
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1622[12:56:24] <wob_jonas> Found it in logs. It's doing unattended upgrades or something. How do I change the settings for that?
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1624[12:57:19] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: replaced-url
1625[12:57:29] <RebelCoder> wob_jonas, I would suggest generating a new list of sources, just in case your current one has stopped updating
1626[12:57:30] <RebelCoder> replaced-url
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1628[12:58:09] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: replaced-url
1629[12:58:09] <Cybertinus> Tarrasquero: do you have an English version of that page? :) I don't speak Spanish
1630[12:58:19] <Cybertinus> Tarrasquero: thnx
1631[12:58:19] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: sry
1632[12:59:00] <wob_jonas> RebelCoder: ok, but the apt logs definitely say that /bin/unattended-upgrade was installing some packages
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1637[13:00:24] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: apt.conf it's on preferences
1638[13:00:39] <Cybertinus> Tarrasquero: but if I don't want to do any pinning, do I need a /etc/apt/preferences file?
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1641[13:02:43] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: you need preferences for a correct configuration
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1645[13:03:05] <Tarrasquero> or apt.conf
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1652[13:04:59] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: apt.conf > APT::Default-Release "stable";
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1654[13:06:07] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: apt-get install -t release tools
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1661[13:08:12] <wob_jonas> I found the solution, I think. /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily describes how to change that configuration.
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1667[13:08:44] <Cybertinus> Tarrasquero: replaced-url
1668[13:09:13] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: exanple
1669[13:09:19] <Tarrasquero> lol
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1672[13:09:59] <Cybertinus> I'm sorry Tarrasquero? I don't follow you
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1674[13:10:09] <Cybertinus> I just want my Debian to update the kernel
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1676[13:10:18] <Cybertinus> this server is runing in maintenance mode within my application
1677[13:10:26] <Cybertinus> and my application is giving errors at the moment
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1679[13:10:39] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: nano /etc/apt/apt.conf
1680[13:10:42] <Cybertinus> I just need to update this kernel asap, and reboot the machine, to get my users happy again
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1683[13:11:11] <Tarrasquero> paste > APT::Default-Release "stable";
1684[13:11:38] <Tarrasquero> you save and close
1685[13:12:11] <Cybertinus> replaced-url
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1688[13:13:36] <Tarrasquero> apt-get update && apt-cache policy linux-image-`uname -r` | pastebinit
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1690[13:14:32] <Cybertinus> replaced-url
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1696[13:18:16] <kinkmaster> I was able to build the module, but it won't load
1697[13:18:21] <kinkmaster> writing support again
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1703[13:21:31] <Tarrasquero> Cybertinus: uname -r
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1705[13:21:56] <Cybertinus> Tarrasquero: I've switched to a different mirror (ftp.debian.nl instead of ftp.nl.debian.org) and now the updates are available
1706[13:22:05] <Cybertinus> installing the -5 kernel now
1707[13:22:16] <Tarrasquero> ok
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1714[13:26:29] <themill> the package is on security.d.o not the mirror so that should have zero effect
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1733[13:40:48] <kinkmaster> so I got the module built using dkms install -m wireguard/0.0.20171221-1 -k 4.14.12-mainline-rev1 --kernelsourcedir=/usr/src/linux-headers-4.9.0-5-arm64
1734[13:40:53] <kinkmaster> but it won't load
1735[13:41:03] <kinkmaster> dmesg: wireguard: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
1736[13:41:21] <kinkmaster> the support just told me to report it on the github issue
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1741[13:42:06] <kinkmaster> i'm at a loss here
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1756[13:50:41] <Cybertinus> themill: that was the issue. the security.debian.org deb lines were nowhere to be found in the sources.list. I've added them again and now it works indeed. Thanks!
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1811[14:27:30] <xz> hey, I'm running very small VPS instance with only 256MB. My application (systemd based service) writes to journalctl. Is journalctl using memory?
1812[14:28:01] <koollman> most likely, yes
1813[14:28:11] <koollman> you can check its configuration
1814[14:28:14] <xz> I see that my application starts just fine and doesn't use all 256MB, I have around 20MB still available. But *available* number goes down over time and I'm searching for who to blame
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1816[14:28:27] <xz> koollman, I would rather have it dump stuff onto hdd if possible (journalctl)
1817[14:28:34] <metax> it's systemd to blame for sure
1818[14:28:39] <koollman> you can also check which processus is using ram
1819[14:28:51] <koollman> available ram can go down merely because cache is growing
1820[14:28:51] <xz> koollman, in top?
1821[14:28:57] <koollman> which would not be a problem
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1826[14:30:02] <xz> maybe it's 'less' or whatever journalctl uses to display stuff onto the screen
1827[14:30:20] <xz> that consumes my remaining pieces of memory
1828[14:30:26] <themill> free ram
1829[14:30:29] <themill> !free ram
1830[14:30:29] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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1833[14:31:57] <_systemd_is_evil> check replaced-url
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1835[14:32:14] <xz> _systemd_is_evil, but I want systemd, my application is based on systemd...
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1838[14:33:56] <_systemd_is_evil> i am sorry, but your application is broken by design then.
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1843[14:34:34] <xz> _systemd_is_evil, initially I had it inside screen session
1844[14:34:41] <xz> _systemd_is_evil, I would say now is better, so trending
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1847[14:35:16] <xz> _systemd_is_evil, what's out there that can host my application and provide some interace (start/stop/automatic restart/etc.) and that's better than systemd?
1848[14:35:34] <themill> xz: ignoring the obvious troll is fine.
1849[14:35:39] <metax> upstart
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1851[14:35:50] <xz> metax, isn't upstart ancient?
1852[14:36:10] <metax> nah it's pretty good
1853[14:36:17] <themill> and not in debian.
1854[14:36:58] <xz> metax, I've used sysvinit some time ago on Yocto linux for custom small computer board
1855[14:37:13] <xz> metax, is upstart similar to sysvinit?
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1857[14:37:37] <metax> yes i am using sysvinit on a half of my machines
1858[14:37:49] <Voldenet> For hosting "my own apps" I guess runit is pretty nice
1859[14:37:58] <donald1> are the executables files in a CD automatically executed when a cd is inserted in debian?
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1862[14:38:23] <themill> donald1: no
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1864[14:38:40] <xz> and why do people complain so much about systemd?
1865[14:39:02] <donald1> nice
1866[14:39:05] <donald1> thank you
1867[14:39:05] <themill> xz: because it gives them something to do
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1869[14:39:37] <donald1> themill virus included?
1870[14:39:40] <themill> (but let's stick to user support here)
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1872[14:40:01] <Voldenet> xz: because it adds a lot of hidden variables and magic into simple services - some people like that and some people don't
1873[14:40:13] <themill> donald1: no, there's a special exception that rule that allows malicious code to be executed.
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1875[14:40:38] <xz> alright, I will stick to systemd for now; if that kills memory usage on my VPS then I will consider getting 512MB or using runit
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1877[14:40:52] <xz> I'm still surprised that it started and runs so well on 256MB after all
1878[14:40:56] <metax> xz, because it's not what most people want, we do not want an init system to take full control over a system basically.
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1889[14:42:35] <xz> metax, I know debian as OS that doesn't do any magic behind the scenes and allows user to control as much, especially comparing to Ubuntu with its random background processes that reconfigure stuff I previously set
1890[14:43:01] <xz> metax, it makes me wonder who would want in debian community something that really 'takes over'. Or maybe it's not that bad after all?
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1893[14:43:08] <donald1> themill: what???? the debian conceptor say "we will make a special exception that permits to execute ONLY malicious code. If the code is not malicious, it will not be executed"?
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1896[14:44:28] <themill> donald1: think about the question you asked
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1898[14:44:37] <metax> xz, yeah, but things have suddenly changed since murdock quit the project, unfortunately. Anyway, debian is still very good and i hope will be
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1907[14:49:59] <donald1> themill theoritecally do the files have permission to beexecuted at the read of the cd even when the cd has not been read but not executed?
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1909[14:51:47] <waydot> xz: some of us complain mainly because it eliminates choices
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1911[14:52:04] <waydot> but this should really be discussed in offtopic :D
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1920[14:56:00] <waydot> it's in french
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1939[15:07:25] <Megaf> meh, Debian is just totally failing to install acpid here
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1946[15:10:14] <Megaf> little help please? replaced-url
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1953[15:13:33] <Ke> Megaf: not sure what's there nowadays, but systemd handles quite a bit of the old acpid tasks, do you really want acpid, if you have systemd?
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1956[15:14:10] <Megaf> Ke: I just upgraded this from Debian 6 to 7 to 8 to 9
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1958[15:14:24] <Megaf> so I guess acpid just stayed tehre from debian 6?
1959[15:14:41] <Megaf> I dont know if required or not
1960[15:14:58] <Ke> Megaf: I you are going to use systemd and do not specifically want acpid, you should just uninstall acpid
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1962[15:15:31] <Ke> logind.conf has systemd acpi button related functionality
1963[15:15:45] <Megaf> and Debian seem to have dropped the driver for my GPU
1964[15:15:54] <Ke> which gpu?
1965[15:16:12] <Megaf> replaced-url
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1968[15:16:52] <Megaf> will tell you the GPU in a second
1969[15:16:55] <Ke> right, might be that there is just no upstream maintainer or there is KMS and you should use xf86-video-modesetting
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1972[15:17:47] <Ke> Megaf: most people want to just remove xorg.conf and related stuff and rely on xorg autoconfiguration, but that might not work for yuo
1973[15:17:49] <Megaf> Ke: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Chips and Technologies F69000 HiQVideo (rev 64)
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1976[15:18:07] <Megaf> Ke: it was working fine on Debian Squeeze... Without X
1977[15:18:16] <Megaf> without xorg.conf I mean
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1979[15:18:32] <Megaf> now system totally freezes when X comes up
1980[15:18:36] <Megaf> not even ssh works
1981[15:19:00] <Ke> system totally freezing probably means there is a driver, but it's broken
1982[15:19:30] <Ke> if there was no driver, the system would probably just fail to start Xorg
1983[15:20:13] <Ke> but your hw is rare enough for me to have no idea, whether it's expected to be working
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1986[15:20:37] <Megaf> It's rare now a days
1987[15:20:47] <Megaf> And it was workign great with Debian
1988[15:20:51] <Ke> Megaf: if you have any expansion slots on the hw, you could try to scavenge some second hand radeon?
1989[15:21:03] <Megaf> Ke: it's a laptop
1990[15:21:13] <Megaf> I was a very good laptop
1991[15:21:18] <Ke> also you can try VGA or vesa driver
1992[15:21:39] <Ke> let me check the kernel
1993[15:22:26] <Megaf> LOL
1994[15:22:35] <Megaf> so I started in recovery mode
1995[15:22:36] <Ke> Megaf: can you pastebin lspci -n for me
1996[15:22:48] <Megaf> from there I did init 2
1997[15:23:00] <Megaf> that got me in multi user console login
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1999[15:23:12] <Megaf> then from SSH I did /etc/init.d/lightdm start
2000[15:23:16] <Megaf> and lightdm started
2001[15:23:39] <Megaf> so something is breaking when Debian starts lightdm autmatically with the normal runlevel
2002[15:23:43] <Megaf> Ke: ^
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2005[15:23:55] <Ke> might be just that the bug that happens occasionally
2006[15:24:10] <Megaf> nope, it was not working since Debian Jessie
2007[15:24:15] <Megaf> never worked on normal boot
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2011[15:24:59] <Megaf> and it seems to be using the VESA driver
2012[15:25:06] <Ke> ok
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2017[15:26:35] <Ke> Megaf: you can try systemd disable lightdm and try to do this again a couple of times
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2020[15:27:29] <Ke> Megaf: if just delaying lightdm startup fixes your problem, adding a delay to lightdm.service is the simplest thing in the world
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2026[15:28:25] <Ke> Megaf: eg. ExecStartPre=/bin/sleep 10 in the lightdm.service
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2028[15:29:16] <Ke> Megaf: if you can identify some service that needs to start before lightdm, you can add it to After= -entry, which would be the correct fix
2029[15:29:39] <Megaf> I will first disable lightdm and will start it manually from the laptop itself to see if it works
2030[15:30:09] <Megaf> howd o I do that?
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2032[15:30:23] <Ke> systemctl disable lightdm
2033[15:30:46] <Ke> also systemd does not have runlevels, it has targets
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2037[15:32:16] <Megaf> ok, and how can I force 1024x768 resolution at 16 bit?
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2040[15:32:41] <Megaf> this laptop can do 1024x768 and automatically X only starts at 800x600
2041[15:33:01] <Megaf> and I dont seem to have an option to go to 1024x768
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2078[15:45:51] <toad_> After installing a new graphics card, which initially worked, booting up no longer detects the encrypted RAID array ... ideas?
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2098[15:54:12] <gpunk> can you change the slot the card is in ?
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2122[16:06:07] <toad_> gpunk: no
2123[16:07:08] <toad_> AFAICS the computer works, it's just somehow installing a new graphics card after installing testing in a VM somehow resulted in overwriting the md-crypt key or something...
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2125[16:07:21] <toad_> My attempts to recover via a boot disk have destroyed the VG anyway
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2130[16:08:03] <toad_> I guess I should install Windows, I'm clearly not a competent linux user...
2131[16:09:10] <gpunk> oh so the card is recongnised
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2133[16:09:35] <toad_> Yes, as I said, it gets as far as trying to boot; it repeatedly complains about not being able to find the LVM VG
2134[16:09:44] <gpunk> cant you just recreate the VG (in linux) since it got destroyed..
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2136[16:09:52] <toad_> I think I have, via the boot disk
2137[16:09:57] <toad_> Which of course has clobbered all the data
2138[16:10:02] <gpunk> ok
2139[16:10:28] <gpunk> join #lvm
2140[16:10:48] <gpunk> it does exists :)
2141[16:10:57] <toad_> Actually I think debian created a new encrypted volume (with the same password) ... so it's well and truly gone
2142[16:10:58] <gpunk> they should help more than me
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2224[16:50:21] <Ascavasaion> I am getting the following message on boot "usb1-port8: over-current condition"... does the same for ports 3,4,7 and 8. Any ideas?
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2227[16:51:08] <RuRay> what is plugged into it?
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2229[16:51:41] <Fauve_bis> Hello people.
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2231[16:51:49] <Ascavasaion> RuRay: Nothing.
2232[16:51:53] <Fauve_bis> I made an update and I get Kernel panic on boot (rest_init / build_sched_domains) make system unbootable
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2234[16:52:08] <Fauve_bis> Is this mean that I will have difficulties to reboot?
2235[16:52:22] <Ascavasaion> I did plug in 2 x USB ports into the back of it... trying it with that unplugged.
2236[16:52:25] <gpunk> Fauve_bis in a VM ?
2237[16:52:32] <Fauve_bis> Non gpunk
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2240[16:53:06] <Fauve_bis> No*
2241[16:53:14] <gpunk> french?
2242[16:53:25] <Fauve_bis> Yes :)
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2245[16:53:29] <gpunk> lol
2246[16:53:32] <Fauve_bis> Not really, I also speak french.
2247[16:53:40] <Fauve_bis> So I ask in the two languages in the same time.
2248[16:53:47] <RuRay> inspect each port for bent pins also - I had a usb stick in sideways causing something similar.
2249[16:53:52] <Fauve_bis> To get more chances of answers.
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2252[16:54:10] <gpunk> biensure :)
2253[16:54:18] <Fauve_bis> But now, no one is answering on the french side :(
2254[16:54:33] <Fauve_bis> biensûr*
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2256[16:55:11] <gpunk> try to boot by changing the scheduler
2257[16:55:28] <gpunk> i forgot how to do that :(
2258[16:55:37] <gpunk> but it workede for me
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2264[16:56:26] <Fauve_bis> :/
2265[16:56:32] <gpunk> replaced-url
2266[16:56:47] <Fauve_bis> I make the update for Spectre|Meltdown.
2267[16:56:58] <Ascavasaion> RuRay: I rebooed without the 2 x USB port expansion plate at the back plugged in and the errors are going. Guess I was just being a little greedy for USB ports. I had the expansion plate lying around and through I would take a chance.
2268[16:57:01] <Fauve_bis> But now, I am afraited by rebooting, because I have to take train…
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2270[16:57:15] <Fauve_bis> So I will be embarassed if I couldn’t ssh my machine.
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2273[16:57:52] <Fauve_bis> Anyway, I’ll reboot.
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2275[16:58:08] <Fauve_bis> If I didn’t come back in few minutes, so it doesn’t work :P
2276[16:58:31] <gpunk> :)
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2279[16:58:52] <RuRay> they are rated at 500ma - easy to do. Least they wont short out and burst into flames - LOL
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2281[16:59:15] <Ascavasaion> RuRay: For sure! HAHA!
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2297[17:04:56] <Fauve> So…
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2299[17:05:06] <Fauve> It seams working :)
2300[17:05:11] <gpunk> super
2301[17:05:12] <Fauve> Thank you gpunk o/
2302[17:05:16] <Fauve> ^^
2303[17:05:18] <gpunk> t as eu de la chance cette fois
2304[17:05:21] <gpunk> :p
2305[17:05:30] <Fauve> Tu as bien appris le français.
2306[17:05:40] <gpunk> je suis francais
2307[17:06:00] <gpunk> anyway , happy for you
2308[17:06:06] <Fauve> Thank you o/
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2313[17:06:35] <gpunk> put it in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
2314[17:06:41] <gpunk> for it to stay
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2316[17:07:02] <Fauve> Is it necessary?
2317[17:07:16] <Fauve> If it work once it will work twice, or am I wrong?
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2319[17:07:22] <gpunk> no , but you'll have to DO that each time you boot
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2321[17:08:08] <gpunk> yes if it worked once it will work all the time
2322[17:08:16] <gpunk> but that manipulation has to be redone
2323[17:08:32] <gpunk> or you put it in the grub cnfiguration
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2337[17:15:24] <iodot> why isnt signal-desktop in the repository?
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2368[17:24:59] <aubergine> Hi. Will the Wheezy kernel get an update for this? replaced-url
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2370[17:25:42] <iodot> yes
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2437[17:53:56] <ChrisH> Reading replaced-url
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2439[17:55:11] <abrotman> What makes you think it wouldn't work ?
2440[17:55:25] <abrotman> a PIII is a 686
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2442[17:55:45] <ChrisH> Laptop? I wanted that old box for some UPS testing as it has an "real" serial interface. Some Linux is installed but not used for years and as it looks like I did already do some upgrade to unstable (3 years ago) I does not look like upgrade is possible.
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2444[17:56:15] <ChrisH> I assumed Pentium is Pentium... Then I will install a fresh i386 something onto that box.
2445[17:56:15] <abrotman> ChrisH: which sentence on that page makes you think it wouldn't be possible?
2446[17:56:29] <ChrisH> ---> However, Debian GNU/Linux stretch will not run on 586 (Pentium) or earlier processors.
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2448[17:57:04] <abrotman> No, Pentium started with 586 (Pentium I 60 IIRC), but starting with PentiumPro is a new family called 686. That includes PPro,PII,PIII, and maybe some early PVI
2449[17:57:07] <abrotman> PIV
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2451[17:57:33] <abrotman> 60Mhz I meant, sorry
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2453[17:57:43] <abrotman> ChrisH: you should be fine
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2455[17:58:19] <ladyRay21> ff
2456[17:58:20] <abrotman> probably more likly to have issues with older video cards
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2459[17:59:25] <ChrisH> abrotman: I do not care about Video there.... I need a test box for an UPS and do not want to shutdown the club's server again while testing :)
2460[18:00:05] <abrotman> ChrisH: Give it a whirl .. should be okay
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2516[18:28:43] <eyeris> The CVE for meltdown says there's a sid package 4.14.12-2 (replaced-url
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2518[18:29:15] <tom[]> are rx fifo errors something to worry about? i've a host that downloads some large files once a day from a fast server. typically it has a bunch of 10 to 20 rx fifo errors over 10 to 20 seconds and then back to ok
2519[18:29:58] <eyeris> Similarly, that CVE shows buster with a vulnerable 4.14.7 kernel but I only see 4.14.0 packages when I search testing.
2520[18:30:11] <somiaj> be careful, 4.14.0 is just a palace holder as a package name. Look at the actual version of the package, not the version in the package name.
2521[18:30:14] <eyeris> Am I misunderstanding the CVE? Or am I search wrong?
2522[18:30:43] <eyeris> Oh! Hah! Fooled by boldness. /ashamaed
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2564[18:54:03] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2565[18:54:04] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.12-2); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports:
2566[18:54:05] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
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2569[18:55:02] <jhutchins> The current stretch kernel is patched.
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2584[19:02:53] <waydot> ya, and sid
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2586[19:04:03] <annadane> though if you run a testing system you probably can backport it from sid
2587[19:04:15] <annadane> well, "backport"
2588[19:04:24] <annadane> use the one from sid i mean, at your own risk
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2593[19:06:50] <jhutchins> A nice demonstration of how stable receives high priority for security updates, which reach testing in the course of normal workflow.
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2599[19:09:58] <waydot> indeed
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2619[19:18:25] <wawa> I'm wondering if there is an easier way to output the generated hash from wpa_passphrase to add it to my /etc/network/interfaces besides manually writing it down. I expect there is a basic concept that I've yet to learn. Thanks
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2622[19:19:23] <jhutchins> wawa: cut-and-aste?
2623[19:19:29] <jhutchins> paste
2624[19:19:54] <wawa> debian 9.3 netinstall command line only
2625[19:20:14] <RoyK> cut-and-waste?
2626[19:20:22] <jhutchins> wawa: Ah, well then you can't use gpm. Redirect the output to the file, then edit the file to clean it up.
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2628[19:21:09] <jhutchins> wawa: wpa_passphrase >> /etc/network/interfaces && vi /etc/network/interfaces
2629[19:21:40] <wawa> Perfect, that's exactly what i was looking for!
2630[19:21:46] <wawa> Thank you
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2653[19:31:15] <CyberCr33p> hello. any idea what versions of debian will get the meltdown patch?
2654[19:31:52] <waydot> CyberCr33p: replaced-url
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2656[19:32:07] <abrotman> CyberCr33p: likely all supported versions?
2657[19:32:26] <waydot> you can track there :)
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2663[19:34:13] <annadane> stable and unstable already have the patches
2664[19:34:18] <annadane> testing will get it pretty soon
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2666[19:34:39] <annadane> question #4746748684678 about meltdown/spectre. :P (not that it isn't justified)
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2668[19:34:47] <abrotman> oldstable?
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2671[19:35:26] <annadane> oldstable is being worked on afaik
2672[19:35:38] <CyberCr33p> waydot: so versions 7, 8 and 9
2673[19:36:20] <waydot> CyberCr33p: oh, you mean eventually ... hm, that i'd have to guess
2674[19:36:21] <abrotman> no
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2676[19:38:31] <nkuttler> dpkg: meltdown is replaced-url
2677[19:38:33] <dpkg> okay, nkuttler
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2681[19:39:51] <nkuttler> !spectre
2682[19:39:52] <dpkg> methinks spectre is among the greatest games ever. spectre is a 3D tank game so addicting it will consume you
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2686[19:40:32] <nkuttler> !no, spectre is replaced-url
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2691[19:41:22] <waydot> i thought that was bzflag
2692[19:41:32] <waydot> !bzflag?
2693[19:41:32] <dpkg> i heard bzflag is replaced-url
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2696[19:41:44] <nkuttler> nethack
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2699[19:42:09] <nkuttler> ,kernels
2700[19:42:10] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.12-2); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports:
2701[19:42:11] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
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2705[19:43:35] <nkuttler> i wonder if 4.15.0 in experimental is patched
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2710[19:45:32] <waydot> isnt it standard part of 4.15 ?
2711[19:45:41] <tom[]> uname -r says "4.9.58-xxxx-std-ipv6-64". but apt-get is not offering me an upgrade to linux-image-amd64 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2). why not?
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2713[19:45:55] <nkuttler> 4.15 wasn't released yet afaik, so who knows which exact version is packaged
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2715[19:46:05] <waydot> ah, i see
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2776[20:10:39] <KingWobbz> hello
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2778[20:10:55] <KingWobbz> I don't know how to use irc
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2782[20:13:42] <Edu4rdSHL> KingWobbz, writing.
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2806[20:27:31] <jhutchins> tom[]: What release are you on?
2807[20:27:37] <tom[]> 9.3
2808[20:28:06] <jhutchins> 4.9.0.5 is the patched package.
2809[20:28:29] <jhutchins> !bat
2810[20:28:29] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2815[20:30:21] <annadane> stupid weird package numbering
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2820[20:32:03] <tom[]> jhutchins: replaced-url
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2833[20:38:42] <Tarrasquero> tom[]: change stretch> stable
2834[20:39:05] <jhutchins> Tarrasquero: That is not recommended.
2835[20:39:30] <Tarrasquero> apt-get dist-upgrade require stable
2836[20:39:49] <nik> hi, i'm on debian testing, and i'm getting an error when starting thunderbird. it's weird, cause i can start firefox and other X applications with no problem. Here's the error: replaced-url
2837[20:39:49] <Tarrasquero> stretch no dist-upgrade
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2839[20:40:12] <jhutchins> tom[]: I show the same thing here, I can install it explicitly, but upgrade only takes me to bpo.4.
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2841[20:40:53] <jhutchins> tom[]: I'll bet linux-image-amd64 is still pointing at 4.
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2843[20:41:25] <tom[]> jhutchins: do you mean install explicitly with something like `apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64` ?
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2848[20:44:00] <jhutchins> linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.4-amd64
2849[20:44:08] <jhutchins> linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 - oops
2850[20:44:29] <warai_otoko> does anyone know which is the best driver for an old ATI X700 Mobility today?
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2852[20:45:07] <warai_otoko> glxinfo currently says SGI is installed, but don't think this is the best/usual driver
2853[20:45:31] <Tarrasquero> nik: echo $DISPLAY
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2856[20:46:12] <nik> Tarrasquero: :0
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2858[20:46:23] <Tarrasquero> hmmm
2859[20:46:27] <tom[]> jhutchins: hm. apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 says it will install firmware and image. but apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 says it cannot find a matching package
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2862[20:47:14] <nik> Tarrasquero: i opened a Q here: replaced-url
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2867[20:49:10] <Tarrasquero> DISPLAY=:1 thunderbird
2868[20:50:32] <nik> Tarrasquero: replaced-url
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2870[20:51:34] <Tarrasquero> nik: What environment do you use?
2871[20:51:44] <nik> xmonad
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2874[20:52:50] <Tarrasquero> nik: I have not used it
2875[20:53:12] <Tarrasquero> is rare
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2880[20:56:30] <Tarrasquero> nik: only with thunderbird?
2881[20:56:48] <nik> correct, i can start firefox and other X programs just fine
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2885[20:58:03] <Tarrasquero> nik: mv .thunderbird .thunderbird-old
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2888[20:59:32] <nik> i get the same error after doing that
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2890[21:00:07] <Tarrasquero> :O
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2895[21:02:42] <Tarrasquero> nik: Xephyr -br -ac -noreset -screen 800x600 :1
2896[21:03:05] <Tarrasquero> DISPLAY=:1
2897[21:03:16] <Tarrasquero> DISPLAY=:1 thunderbird
2898[21:03:20] <Tarrasquero> sry
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2908[21:05:34] <Tarrasquero> nik: sry
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2911[21:06:11] <Tarrasquero> That does not work
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2932[21:21:29] <Tarrasquero> nik: that throws you export
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2934[21:26:31] <Tarrasquero> nik: you should move .icedove no .thunderbird the latter should be a link of .icedove
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2969[21:32:53] <nik> i don't have a .icedove directory
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3045[21:37:08] <Tarrasquero> nik: if you install icedove you still have the same problem in thunderbird
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3105[21:52:55] <devan_> is it safe to install the patched kernel from stretch in jessie?
3106[21:53:14] <dvs> why not?
3107[21:53:21] <devan_> dunno ^^
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3110[21:54:06] <dvs> works for me
3111[21:54:20] <devan_> great thx :)
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3119[21:59:36] <sud> is there anything to update for debian unstable regarding meltdown/spectre?
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3121[22:01:03] <dvs> the kernel?
3122[22:01:10] <waydot> i second that
3123[22:01:56] <Brigo> sud check security.debian.org
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3131[22:03:47] <sud> replaced-url
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3133[22:04:17] <dvs> sud, replaced-url
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3141[22:06:41] <somiaj> sud: testing/unstable are not fully supported by the security team, and they usually get fixes via normal updates. The kernel has been updated in unstable and that will make it to testing. Usually takes 10+ days, but sometimes they speed that up for security issues.
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3143[22:07:00] <sud> ok I see thanks
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3150[22:07:15] <somiaj> devan_: I think they backported the fix into the backported kernel for jessie.
3151[22:07:19] <dvs> wow, I thought this would be a security issue
3152[22:07:19] <sud> I have unstable as a low priority source, so I could still force the update for the given package
3153[22:07:34] <sud> sudo aptitude install linux/unstable?
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3155[22:07:51] <somiaj> dvs: I meant major security issues, and yes I am surprised they aren't speeding this up.
3156[22:08:03] <devan_> somiaj: when? replaced-url
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3159[22:08:37] <sud> hmm no the package "linux" does not exist
3160[22:08:40] <somiaj> devan_: replaced-url
3161[22:08:54] <somiaj> sud: linux is the sorce package name, not the binary package. Install the linux-image appropriate for your system.
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3167[22:10:11] <somiaj> devan_: Oppis I think I missread the version, the kernel in jessie backports looks to be version 4.9.65-3+deb9u1~bpo8+1, but I think you need version 4.9.64-3+deb9u2 for the fix, sorry about that.
3168[22:10:14] <sud> ok thanks, I did: sudo aptitude install linux-image-amd64/unstable
3169[22:10:29] <sud> it's installing 4.14.0.3
3170[22:10:44] <sud> shouldn't it be 4.14.12-2?
3171[22:10:48] <somiaj> that is not the version of the kernel, mearly the name on the kernel package, look at the actual version of the package
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3174[22:11:02] <somiaj> again look at the version of the package being installed (not the name of the package)
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3176[22:11:31] <sud> can I do that while it's downloading?
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3179[22:12:03] <somiaj> sud: sure, open up another terminal, run apt policy linux-image-4.14.0-3-amd64 or whatever the package name is
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3186[22:12:45] <sud> somiaj: 4.14.12-2! thanks
3187[22:12:55] <wondiws> is there a tool to test (or calibrate a joystick)?
3188[22:13:12] <dvs> jscal?
3189[22:13:13] <somiaj> wondiws: multiple. jscal is one
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3191[22:13:23] <wondiws> dvs, in which package is that?
3192[22:13:32] <dvs> ,v jscal
3193[22:13:33] <judd> No package named 'jscal' was found in amd64.
3194[22:13:34] <wondiws> it was the first thing to pop up in google, yes
3195[22:13:41] <wondiws> but where is it? :)
3196[22:13:51] <somiaj> jscal is part of the joystick package
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3199[22:14:16] <dvs> wondiws, joystick
3200[22:14:17] <wondiws> I want to make my own joystick using an Arduino :)
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3203[22:15:56] <wondiws> ok, that didn't work
3204[22:16:02] <wondiws> buttons go berserk :P
3205[22:16:36] <wondiws> is there a tool to watch the joystick, like I remember from Windows 95?
3206[22:16:57] <somiaj> there are multiple tools, some have gtk front ends
3207[22:17:05] <wondiws> somiaj, sounds good
3208[22:17:07] <somiaj> just seach through the debian pakages, apt search joystick might help
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3210[22:17:43] <somiaj> jstest-gtk showed up in that
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3212[22:18:12] <wondiws> somiaj, yeah, I just noticed it :)
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3214[22:18:19] <somiaj> that is the only other tool I am seeing, maybe there arne't more
3215[22:20:37] <wondiws> somiaj, my axis0 does work though :)
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3247[22:49:46] <foul_owl> Anyone running ksplice?
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3252[22:51:29] <rob_debian> Hi all, please, how to scan the device using command line in debian ? udev devtmpfs 3.9G 0 3.9G 0% /dev
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3255[22:52:31] <rob_debian> it's mounted in /dev, please, which application through command line should I use for this purpose ?
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3266[22:59:28] <somiaj> rob_debian: what do you mean by scan?
3267[22:59:59] <somiaj> rob_debian: /dev is a temp file system that contains device nodes that are automatically added/removed by udev based on teh devices in your system.
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3270[23:00:38] <rob_debian> hi somiaj, something like scanning for virus a tablet connected to debian
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3275[23:01:29] <somiaj> Why not scan the actual file system ont he tablet, which means you might have to mount it, but not sure what udev or /dev has to do with this outside of the device node would be there.
3276[23:02:08] <rob_debian> according 'df -hT' outuput, it's about a udev file system, and I'd like to use any debian resource by command line to eliminate 4 viruese that has affected this device, somima
3277[23:02:12] <rob_debian> somiaj, sorry
3278[23:02:28] <rob_debian> oh, I see
3279[23:02:35] <lavenders> how to sudo scp with USER .ssh not the root one?
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3281[23:02:55] <lavenders> i get pubkey denied because scp uses .ssh of root, but need user one
3282[23:03:09] <lavenders> the file to copy is root
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3286[23:04:36] <somiaj> lavenders: you'll need a mix of scp user@domiain, and having the user key in /root/.ssh for the root user but with the users key you wish to use.
3287[23:04:53] <somiaj> lavenders: you could also use su to run the command as the user with $HOME set up correctly for that user as well
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3289[23:05:14] <lavenders> yes i tried sudo -u user scp, but same
3290[23:05:40] <somiaj> you want su, sudo keeps the users $HOME
3291[23:06:02] <somiaj> it is about the enviroment that the command is run in so the scp command can find the right key, it looks in $HOME/.ssh I belive
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3293[23:06:18] <rob_debian> so, please, how to scan for viruses a tablet connected to debian ? for it's file system is not being recognizad by clamtk application
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3297[23:07:53] <lavenders> ok same with, su -p
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3303[23:11:12] <somiaj> lavenders: replaced-url
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3311[23:14:52] <vfw> clamscan -r /home
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3316[23:17:21] <lavenders> i chose chown, but meh
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3324[23:21:04] <donald> I downloaded guest additions in a linux guest system to share a folder between host and guest systems. When I go in distant viewer -> preference, then I see a windows folder sharing but I can not select any folder. Can I share my files by this way ir must I add a filesystem without the distant viewer?
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3376[23:44:08] <init7> Hi there could someone help me to setup an iptables rule to stop ddos at my own server ?
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3380[23:44:24] <toad_> I get major problems with pci passthrough on stable: IOMMU mapping errors, failed commands, corrupted page tables ... is this a known bug?
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3386[23:47:19] <ChmEarl> toad_, if you have recent Ryzen CPU, you might try linux-4.14+ from stretch-backports
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3390[23:48:03] <toad_> No, it's the previous generation
3391[23:48:17] <toad_> Probably worth trying a backports kernel anyway though ...
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3394[23:49:36] <toad_> It starts off with "Completion-Wait loop timed out", then I get IO_PAGE_FAULT's ... then WARNING's and BUG's...
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