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• 10[00:05:24] <BCMM> bolovanos: and they definitely both have the same line endings?
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• 13[00:05:35] <BCMM> i'd check if the files are exactly identical using md5sum
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• 17[00:06:54] <bolovanos> yes, they were exactly the same - checked nonprintable chars.
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• 22[00:08:28] <nado> hi guys
• 23[00:09:17] <nado> i installed debian on a macbook, it mysteriously produces error on startup since today: mac’s uefi cant seem to find a bootable disk
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• 25[00:09:46] <V7> Hey all
• 26[00:09:50] <nado> i could boot from a usb stick and mount the disk, everything seems fine, however i discovered a /EFI/ubuntu directory in /boot
• 27[00:09:55] <nado> is it normal?
• 28[00:09:58] <V7> Could anyone suggest why integrated camera doesn't work?
• 29[00:10:04] <nado> this disk never knew anything else but debian
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• 31[00:10:37] <nado> im wondering if this computer couldnt get infected by something targeting ubuntus
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• 50[00:17:46] <BCMM> nado: is it something to do with Ubuntu having a signed secure boot thingy? this is really half-remembered, sorry.
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• 56[00:18:57] <nado> BCMM, i dont use debian on a daily basis and its been a decade since i last installed an ubuntu, this machine never got anything to do with ubuntu, so to me its either from debian’s grub or a possible infection
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• 58[00:19:12] <nado> i dont use grub usually neither
• 59[00:19:15] <nado> :-°
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• 61[00:19:57] <BCMM> well, my Sid install doesn't have that directory, fwiw
• 62[00:20:05] <format_c> nado: what else?
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• 67[00:21:00] <nado> BCMM, ok, thanks for the info
• 68[00:21:04] <nado> format_c, what what?
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• 71[00:21:45] <format_c> nado: you said you don't use grub usually. I'm wondering what you use else
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• 73[00:21:59] <nado> syslinux/raw efi
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• 75[00:22:23] <format_c> nado: Ah ok. Thanks
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• 97[00:33:20] <nado> i get an efi entry
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• 99[00:33:26] <nado> but still get an error
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• 181[01:07:36] <Kaminota> Hi.
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• 222[01:30:15] <liamliamliam> hey yall
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• 247[01:43:09] <michael2> hi, does anyone know how to get a list of the files a package would install? i.e. the equivalent of `dpkg -L ...' but for non-installed packages?
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• 249[01:43:40] <michael2> I'd like to do it on a website, not a apt-file or whatever the cli-tool is
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• 255[01:45:12] <michael2> nvm, I found it on packages.debian.org
• 256[01:45:42] <jim> michael2, a debian package (version 2 anyway) is: an ar archive containing two compressed tarballs and a text file containing the package version (so, probably 2)
• 257[01:46:32] <michael2> so you're saying to apt-get download <package>, then extract it?
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• 261[01:47:21] <jim> the two tarballs are called control.tar.gz (which contains metadata and I think maint scripts), and data.tar.gz (which contains the package content.
• 262[01:47:26] <jim> well, it is one way
• 263[01:47:42] <jim> it's probably the hackiest way
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• 271[01:49:17] <jim> I usually browse the mirror directly to find the package I want... and look at the Packages.gz file for the dist to determine the right version to get
• 272[01:49:46] <michael2> jim, its a good way, I should install atools - so I can extract the deb . Then I would probably give it a go
• 273[01:50:33] <jim> ar is probably in binutils (as ar archives are also used for static libraries)
• 274[01:51:03] <jim> , find bin/ar
• 275[01:51:07] <judd> Search for bin/ar in stretch/amd64: [truncated] binutils: usr/bin/ar; binutils-mips64-linux-gnuabi64: usr/mips64-linux-gnuabi64/bin/ar; binutils-m68hc1x: usr/m68hc11/bin/ar; binutils-mips-linux-gnu: usr/mips-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-alpha-linux-gnu: usr/alpha-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf: usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/bin/ar; binutils-msp430: usr/msp430/bin/ar; binutils-arm-
• 276[01:51:08] <judd> linux-gnueabi: usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/bin/ar; binutils-mipsel-linux-gnu: usr/mipsel-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-aarch64-linux-gnu: usr/aarch64-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-mips64-linux-gnuabin32: usr/mips64-linux-gnuabin32/bin/ar; binutils-hppa64-linux-gnu: usr/hppa64-linux-gnu/bin/ar; binutils-h8300-hms: usr/h8300-hitachi-coff/bin/ar; binutils-mips64el-linux-gnuabi64: usr/mips64el-linux- (1 more message)
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• 278[01:51:49] <jim> so it's the first one, binutils
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• 280[01:52:00] <michael2> yeah, ar command is annoying, becuase you need to create the new dir, move the archive into it, extract, open your christmas presents... atools, just does it for you. browse is good too
• 281[01:52:25] <jim> oh ok
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• 283[01:53:21] <michael2> browse mirror directly lets you download packages not in you /etc/apt/sources.list - thats cool
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• 285[01:53:56] <jim> yep, and, be cautious with that
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• 287[01:54:59] <michael2> well, usually I just want to look at whats in the package, e.g. I want to see whats in deb-src - to see how maintainers debianized the package. but not necessarily install
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• 290[01:55:31] <michael2> I mean, I want to look inside the deb-src variant of a certain package
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• 322[02:29:17] <bolovanos> i have this chain "iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --dport 445 -j ACCEPT"
• 323[02:29:27] <bolovanos> but in /var/log/iptables.log I get iptables_OUTPUT_denied: IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=x.x.x.x DST=x.x.x.x LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=54503 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=44550 DPT=445 WINDOW=29200 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
• 324[02:29:35] <bolovanos> while doing "smbclient -L 31.31.74.5 -U user"
• 325[02:29:42] <bolovanos> why is that so?
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• 329[02:33:37] <karlpinc> michael2: If you want to look in the package do "apt-get source PACKAGE". It will unpack into a directory, IIRC.
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• 336[02:40:20] <SerajewelKS> bolovanos: rules are applied in order
• 337[02:40:41] <SerajewelKS> bolovanos: -A appends to the end of the chain, after all other rules. a prior rule is likely denying the packet before your rule is reached.
• 338[02:41:04] <bolovanos> SerajewelKS, hi, changed -A for -I
• 339[02:41:09] <SerajewelKS> bolovanos: look at -I, which inserts a rule into the chain. also note that your rule may be removed whenever whatever manages your firewall is restarted.
• 340[02:41:16] <bolovanos> now there is no sign of denieal in log
• 341[02:42:02] <bolovanos> SerajewelKS, thank you for notice with removal - I am using iptables-persistent
• 342[02:42:14] <bolovanos> hopefully it works
• 343[02:42:28] <bolovanos> anyway now samba says Error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT
• 344[02:42:32] <bolovanos> :/
• 345[02:42:59] <SerajewelKS> bolovanos: make sure that you store the new config wherever iptables-persistent expects to find it, then
• 346[02:43:24] <SerajewelKS> bolovanos: the server you are connecting to may not allow the connection. check its firewall as well.
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• 349[02:44:11] <bolovanos> SerajewelKS, that smb share server is not under my control. Only check I can do is connect through windows and that works
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• 354[02:52:48] <SerajewelKS> bolovanos: don't know what to tell you. you could use tcpdump to see what's going on at the network level.
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• 361[02:56:47] <karlpinc> bolovanos: I'm not following your problem but one way to diagnose network problems is to use "telnet HOST PORT" to see if you can even make a tcp connection to some port on some other box.
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• 368[03:01:52] <bolovanos> SerajewelKS, karlpinc, good point will look at that - thank you
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• 375[03:04:21] <bolovanos> it is in iptable rules - by returning old rules smb share starts working
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• 401[03:25:07] <bolovanos> how can one detect conflict in predefined list of iptables rules?
• 402[03:25:16] <bolovanos> for some unknown (probably that conflict) rule "-I OUTPUT -p tcp -d x.x.x.x --dport 445 -j ACCEPT" in file is not accepted (I cannot see it in iptables-save)
• 403[03:25:42] <bolovanos> accepted when using iptables-restore < rules
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• 407[03:26:40] <bolovanos> this exact rule can by addet manualy "iptables -I OUTPUT -p tcp -d x.x.x.x --dport 445 -j ACCEPT"
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• 473[04:25:29] <jair> Hello all I believe debian like Ubuntu is using systemd for the resolv.conf file or where the name servers are listed correct?
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• 479[04:31:27] <awal1> how can i center wikipedia2text output?
• 480[04:32:17] <awal1> center it in the terminal window i mean, now it is left placement
• 481[04:34:47] <maxrazer> Any chance the Spotify .deb would be added to the unstable non-free?
• 482[04:36:28] <awal1> you can report a wishlist bug
• 483[04:38:27] <maxrazer> I'm guessing the Spotify .deb can't be added because it could break the system or something because it isn't trustworthy enough.
• 484[04:38:29] * awal1 Thinks about a wishlist bug for a 'gmail' curses based client or at least a gui one :P
• 485[04:39:03] <awal1> which .deb you are talking about?
• 486[04:39:09] <awal1> where is it
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• 488[04:40:58] <maxrazer> awal1 It is in a third party repository, and I also found it at pkgs.org
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• 490[04:41:42] <maxrazer> repository.spotify.com and debian.pkgs.org
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• 492[04:42:19] <maxrazer> I will say that the Snap of Spotify won't even run on Debian last time I tried.
• 493[04:42:27] <awal1> maxrazer, you can report a wishlist bug or become yourself a debian maintainer for that pkg if you find who sponsors you
• 494[04:42:34] <maxrazer> Which is really sad given it is a Snap and Ubuntu and Debian.
• 495[04:43:31] <maxrazer> awal1, I may consider that. I was asking if there is a good reason that would prevent it. I have some suspicions. I know some non-free are added, though I know nvidia actually supports the .deb and Spotify does not.
• 496[04:43:33] <awal1> check for such questions, you may be better served in #debian-mentors channel
• 497[04:43:45] <maxrazer> awal1, ok
• 498[04:44:09] <awal1> last.fm have a deb client :P
• 499[04:44:43] <awal1> "sadly" only free in USA and Germany, if not wrong
• 500[04:44:55] <maxrazer> awal1, Oh really, I haven't tried last.fm I don't think. I'm interested in anything that runs on linux whether .deb or a web based player.
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• 504[04:45:30] <awal1> maxrazer, what do you want exactly?
• 505[04:45:59] <maxrazer> awal1, The best music service that runs on Linux, perhaps a discovery/sharing service as well.
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• 508[04:48:02] <awal1> maxrazer, "apt-cache search what-you-want" + "apt-cache show-what-uou-want" are your best friends
• 509[04:48:16] <awal1> or "aptitude ..."
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• 511[04:48:27] <SerajewelKS> !best
• 512[04:48:27] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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• 516[04:49:59] <maxrazer> awal1, Ok, I have noticed apt-cache being a better search recently. I don't think anything will be in the repository though. However, I did discover something called MellowPlayer now that I think of it. It supports Deezer and Spotify and dozens of others and is on Windows and Linux. I haven't tried it yet. I used google search and found that somehow, not sure how.
• 517[04:51:53] <awal1> maxrazer, check if this command, for example, facilitates stuff for you (a combination of apt-cache search + show):
• 518[04:52:05] <awal1> " apt-cache --names-only search player |awk '{print $1}'| while read ; do apt-cache show $REPLY ; done | less "
• 519[04:52:25] <awal1> replace player by what you want
• 520[04:52:58] <maxrazer> Ok, I'll give apt-cache search and apt-cache show a try.
• 521[04:53:13] <awal1> I just use 'moc' for local files and online radios, personally; I have no clue about spotify and such domains; sorry
• 522[04:53:42] <SerajewelKS> maxrazer: it's important to note that debian doesn't add random .deb blobs to the repositories, not even non-free. there has to be a source package that is maintained up to debian standards as far as how it's built, etc.
• 523[04:53:42] <maxrazer> awal1, I have not heard of Moc. I have used clementine for online radio channels.
• 524[04:53:50] <awal1> last.fm is great, but I won't pay :P
• 525[04:54:10] <awal1> moc is curses based
• 526[04:54:12] <SerajewelKS> maxrazer: spotify would have to put in the work to make that happen for debian to even consider including it in the repositories
• 527[04:54:23] <maxrazer> SerajewelKS, That is kind of what I was thinking, but is the nvidia-driver not just a blob? The debian team doesn't have access to the source for that, right?
• 528[04:54:34] <SerajewelKS> maxrazer: source code != source package
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• 530[04:55:15] <awal1> moc, cmus ...
• 531[04:55:58] <maxrazer> SerajewelKS, Are you saying they have a source package? Wouldn't that show the source code?
• 532[04:56:10] <awal1> i like moc bcoz it can play local audio/video files (not showing video content just the audio in it) radio urls
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• 534[04:56:12] <SerajewelKS> maxrazer: yes, they have a source package: replaced-url
• 535[04:56:18] <SerajewelKS> maxrazer: no, it does not include all of the source code for the driver
• 536[04:56:36] <SerajewelKS> which is why it's in non-free and not main
• 537[04:56:47] <SerajewelKS> (also the licensing issue)
• 538[04:56:57] <maxrazer> SerajewelKS, So, I was thinking maybe it is a mixture of binary and source somehow?
• 539[04:57:26] <SerajewelKS> maxrazer: how much is source and how much is blob is not really relevant. what's relevant is that there is a source package (which is basically a recipe for building the .deb) that is up to debian standards.
• 540[04:58:44] <maxrazer> SerajewelKS, Ah, so that basically just ensures that package follows all those package build standards and fields, man, etc. But that ensures nothing about the actual quality of the internal package contents of the application.
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• 542[04:59:40] <maxrazer> We would need a source package. Spotify could probably do that. Maybe that other player too, not sure if it is in the repository.
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• 544[05:01:31] <SerajewelKS> maxrazer: the quality of the application would be up to spotify, yeah. and since it's not DFSG-compliant it would have to go in non-free. the same is true for the nvidia driver.
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• 546[05:01:51] <SerajewelKS> the bigger issue is that spotify probably would not want the package in debian because then they could not push out updates
• 547[05:02:10] <SerajewelKS> the stable version would be frozen except for bug fixes
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• 549[05:02:26] <maxrazer> SerajewelKS, Ah, that is true I guess. They could have somebody be the package maintainer and do it that way, is that how nvidia does it?
• 550[05:02:39] <maxrazer> Well, I think it would be mostly for unstable.
• 551[05:02:57] <SerajewelKS> i don't think debian would accept a package that never makes it to stable
• 552[05:03:21] <maxrazer> Ah, that makes sense. And the app would need to be updated frequently in order to work with the service.
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• 554[05:04:31] <SerajewelKS> i don't know if anyone at nvidia is a maintainer of the debian package
• 555[05:04:57] <SerajewelKS> there's no reason why they couldn't be, i just don't know. i do know that a team of people maintain it.
• 556[05:05:05] <SerajewelKS> i just don't know if any of them are nvidia employees
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• 558[05:05:44] <maxrazer> ok, rebooting thanks.
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• 764[06:33:46] <medfly> what is the actual rationale for debian installing libraries into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libname.so?
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• 811[07:12:39] <themill> medfly: other than "that's the standard place"?
• 812[07:13:03] <medfly> I've only seen debian do that.
• 813[07:13:07] <somiaj> medfly: multiarch support
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• 818[07:15:40] <somiaj> medfly: replaced-url
• 819[07:16:33] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 826[07:24:28] <themill> medfly: do what?
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• 831[07:25:24] <medfly> I don't think I should voice my strong opinions :-)
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• 833[07:26:29] <themill> I have no idea what you're talking about
• 834[07:27:29] <medfly> how debian doesn't use its default linker lookup path at all for anything
• 835[07:28:05] <themill> umm... it does?
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• 837[07:28:27] <themill> I think rather than making broad statements that are so vague as to be unintelligible, it would be better if you asked a specific question.
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• 839[07:28:38] <medfly> well, I was just curious, I am not asking for help
• 840[07:28:51] <themill> curious about what?
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• 842[07:29:55] <themill> Even if you're just curious, you're still being so vague that you're not getting anywhere
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• 902[08:17:39] <tdn> The Debian wiki page about prometheus is 4 lines of commands (replaced-url
• 903[08:18:05] <tdn> If you are not using prometheus, care to share what monitoring tools you are using on Debian?
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• 911[08:20:43] <nyov> most people are probably still trying to migrate away from nagios/icinga :p
• 912[08:21:19] <nyov> tdn: very much depends on your scale and what you're trying to monitor
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• 914[08:23:06] <nyov> also very subjective. i.e. I didn't like prometheus tooo much because of Go (must compile in allll the things), but it's ok and YMMV
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• 916[08:24:01] <nyov> or do you just want a list? %)
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• 918[08:27:46] <SerajewelKS> we are using zabbix for server monitoring and it mostly works okay
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• 932[08:41:54] <darxmurf> morning all
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• 935[08:43:54] <darxmurf> in smb.conf is there a option to change the retry count for a user before to ask a password to access the share ? My server is connected to Active Directory and users are using their windows account to access the share. When connecting from a computer out of the Active Directory, it takes around 30 sec before to ask a password. In the logs I can see 5 or 6 retries with the local account
• 936[08:45:49] <tdn> nyov, icinga I am evaluating monitoring systems and icinga is on my list of candidates. What is wrong with icinga? Why do people move away from it?
• 937[08:46:15] <darxmurf> tdn: I moved from nagios to icinga2 to try
• 938[08:46:26] <tdn> darxmurf, I come from nagios as well
• 939[08:46:29] <darxmurf> and honestly it's not bad
• 940[08:46:54] <darxmurf> I don't have a huge setup, around 40 machines monitored and nothing fancy with maps and metrics
• 941[08:47:02] <darxmurf> I plan to add graphana on this
• 942[08:47:17] <tdn> darxmurf, I only have around ten machines
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• 946[08:47:42] <tdn> Maybe 20 including VMs
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• 948[08:50:17] <darxmurf> try :-)
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• 953[08:52:11] <dcpc007> hi all, do you know X2GO as remote desktop ? good choice or better alternatives (with a windows client needed)
• 954[08:52:25] <Haohmaru> i think i tried it
• 955[08:52:49] <Haohmaru> depends what you need.. i needed opengl thru the vnc, so many of them didn't work
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• 959[08:56:15] <nyov> tdn: well icinga is just a nagios compat./clone in php I think. I was interested in it myself once but then got fed up with PHP
• 960[08:56:20] <jammi> hi, so which debian channel should I use to troubleshoot qmail, which seems to be missing the dns patch?
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• 963[08:56:46] <jammi> rebuilding the package from source with patches manually added would fix it for me, but not others
• 964[08:56:54] <nyov> I thought since you started with prometheus, you were more going for the modern hype and that kind of style
• 965[08:57:07] <nyov> (meaning, not nagios)
• 966[08:57:37] <jammi> kinda sneaky things as well, since it'll appear to work fine for most domains, but qmail by default has the ancient limit of 512 bytes per dns query and will fail on resolving some hosts
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• 969[08:59:10] <jammi> replaced-url
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• 972[09:00:36] <nyov> tdn: if you like like nagios/icinga, also look at shinken. (and perhaps naemon, but idk that one)
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• 974[09:03:10] <nyov> tdn: for super-small (host-based), see netdata. a little bigger, try monit. I also fondly remember munin. and collectd plugs in well wherever (IMO)
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• 984[09:07:34] <gr8> Hi, I need berkeley db 4.8 c++ headers on Debian Stretch (9.5) to compile Bitcoin core. How can I install that package?
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• 986[09:08:10] <gr8> there is libdb++-dev and libdb5.3++-dev but both are 5.3 which is incompatible with 4.8
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• 996[09:19:58] <nyov> jammi: qmail seems to be orphaned in debian. I wouldn't put much hope in seeing these patches anytime soon, unless you invest some time yourself to get them into debian?
• 997[09:20:55] <nyov> see #709833
• 998[09:20:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 999[09:21:03] <jammi> nyov: yeah, I started patching the package for myself. I kinda regret using the debian package to begin with, because I've used non-package sources before
• 1000[09:21:06] <nyov> openend 2013
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• 1002[09:21:35] <jammi> nyov: yes, I saw that and came here afterwards
• 1003[09:22:25] <nyov> I could recommend postfix, it's also a rather tidy MTA in my opinion ;)
• 1004[09:22:59] <jammi> I've been running qmail since 1998 or something like that, so I'm not exactly eager to switch
• 1005[09:23:12] <nyov> yeah I can understand that
• 1006[09:23:30] <jammi> maybe stockholm syndrome, but also usually been more or less install and forget, plus I have plenty of rules and scripts relying on it
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• 1008[09:24:11] <jammi> it's just that since last time I switched hosts for it, I went with the package and have recently encountered these issues
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• 1015[09:26:42] <nyov> it also seems to be lacking IPv6? uh oh hmm
• 1016[09:27:12] <dka> Hi
• 1017[09:27:20] <dka> I am looking for a Debian compatible portable monitor
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• 1019[09:27:41] <dka> does it exist ? I need it for working while traveling, I've went through most of the stuff and couldn't find something descent
• 1020[09:28:03] <nyov> use VGA HDMI or DP
• 1021[09:28:04] <nyov> xD
• 1022[09:28:16] <disposable2> if i mount nfs3 share via fqdn instead of IP, can i use the dns server (and an extremely short TTL) to flip the nfs target to a different nfs server? (i know i can move the IP but i want to know if the name is resolved only during mounting or cached for duration of ttl or cached until unmounted)
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• 1025[09:30:00] <dka> nyov, it's not a connectic issue
• 1026[09:30:05] <dka> I need something portable
• 1027[09:30:11] <dka> I am looking for a model that work on debian
• 1028[09:30:25] <dka> using VGA/HDMI or DP just tell me the link
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• 1033[09:31:20] <tdn> nyov, I hate php like the plague as well.
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• 1036[09:32:16] <nyov> dka: sorry, I have nothing handy. there's a ton of hardware out there - I'm just saying as long as it supports those standards, any external display should work
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• 1039[09:32:36] <dka> displayport does not work on debian
• 1040[09:32:47] <dka> I have bought a Asus MB168B+ and I sincerelly regret
• 1041[09:33:09] <dka> No one use windwows here so one one want that screen
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• 1043[09:33:20] <dka> it is using USB and display link driver
• 1044[09:33:21] <nyov> tdn: I think you'll want to figure out first how you want to approach the monitoring - more "push" or more "pull"-based, and then decide what solution fits your style
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• 1046[09:33:30] <dka> Debian displaylink driver does not work on debian
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• 1050[09:34:17] <nyov> dka: yeah I didn't mention USB though?
• 1051[09:34:31] <dka> thought display link was for usb
• 1052[09:34:59] <nyov> oh I was meaning siplay port replaced-url
• 1053[09:35:10] <nyov> *DisplayPort even
• 1054[09:35:23] <darxmurf> any idea of smb conf to force it to ask a password on windows machine directly instead of trying 5 times the guest account ?
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• 1075[09:48:14] <jammi> modern-spec machines use the USB 3.1 type C connector for thunderbolt 3 and displayport as well
• 1076[09:48:24] <jammi> doesn't mean the ports per se are USB
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• 1082[09:49:49] <jammi> intel kinda learned it makes more sense to make thunderbolt like an upgrade to usb rather than a separate thing and using the mini-dp connector for it
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• 1085[09:51:06] <nyov> right, for modern stuff and portable there is probably only DP or HDMI or their mini-variants. I shouldn't have mentioned VGA or DVI prolly
• 1086[09:51:50] <nyov> though I'm not sure how inter-compatible this new stuff is? thunderbold was apple-only at first or not? this gets confusing
• 1087[09:52:12] <jammi> the point is that it's kinda confusing for some that it's not necessarily actually USB they're connecting to even if they're using USB (type C) connectors
• 1088[09:52:31] <nyov> right, sorry
• 1089[09:52:49] <jammi> the same goes for eGPUs, since TB carries PCIe as well
• 1090[09:52:50] <nyov> guess that's too new for me to know about very much :D
• 1091[09:53:06] <jammi> which are vastly different from USB eGPUs
• 1092[09:53:55] <jammi> anyhow, computer has USB type C port -> you can connect DP, TB (PCIe) and USB peripherials to it
• 1093[09:54:19] <jammi> of course not all type C ports have the extra features, which makes it even more confusing
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• 1111[10:10:44] <jammi> nyov: regarding ipv6, there are patches for that as well. it's mostly about patches nowadays, and the debian port has just two of them
• 1112[10:11:01] <jammi> sorry, three
• 1113[10:13:05] <nyov> well, nothing against patching :) it's just that you have to look them over very carefully and know your C to not get a surprise at some point, I guess
• 1114[10:13:25] <nyov> which I wouldn't trust myself to be able to do
• 1115[10:13:44] <jammi> of course it'd be better with some upstream version with those patches included
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• 1120[10:16:39] <nyov> jammi: not to sound salesmen-like, but if you do want to take a peek at postfix, the architecture is well explained here I think: replaced-url
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• 1122[10:17:37] <nyov> just looks insane first because postfix microservice architecture has a little binary for everything. but then you can patch&replace every one without touching the rest
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• 1124[10:18:02] <jammi> qmail has a similar architecture
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• 1126[10:18:17] <nyov> and in reality you won't really interfere with most of them
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• 1128[10:18:27] <jammi> also plenty of little service processes each running on their own isolated user account
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• 1139[10:22:55] <nyov> see, you could perhaps mix and match ;)
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• 1142[10:23:45] <nyov> joking ofc
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• 1145[10:24:41] <jammi> but yeah, it's pretty clear I'll have to switch from qmail at some point, but not on a "production" server. maybe some time in the future when I switch hardware
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• 1147[10:25:19] <jammi> and sure, they could be mixed, I use nginx as the smtp-ssl proxy with auth
• 1148[10:25:43] <jammi> and dovecot for mda
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• 1153[10:29:21] <nyov> oh sure, in that regard you can mix heavily of course.
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• 1160[10:32:40] <jammi> it's possible to mix within as well. back when it was a new thing, some used sendmail and such as partial MTA implementations in for instance mailbox delivery or aliases
• 1161[10:32:52] <jammi> or scripts
• 1162[10:34:44] <nyov> well I don't know how qmail does it, in postfix-anthill, all those processes are managed by a master (which also chroots them if wanted). not sure if you could replace, say qmail-queue with postfix' qmgr %) but some stuff might perhaps work
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• 1165[10:36:00] <nyov> then perhaps you can forego some patches, hehe
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• 1179[10:48:28] <project2501a> hey guys sorry to bother you , but please remind me: is there a way to tell apt-cache to sort the output and to highlight the search term?
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• 1182[10:49:31] <project2501a> read the man page and looked around a bit, but i guess I don't have enough coffee in me, yet.
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• 1184[10:50:03] <selckin> i usually just grep it
• 1185[10:50:09] <nyov> project2501a: I don't think so. colorizing you can do with grep
• 1186[10:50:34] <nyov> and sorting - perhaps with sort ?
• 1187[10:50:39] <project2501a> yeah i know
• 1188[10:50:49] <project2501a> but you cannot do that in one line with an alias
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• 1190[10:51:10] <project2501a> or at least i don't remember a way. sorry it's a been a long night, i am acting like a zombie :D
• 1191[10:51:45] <selckin> function aptsearch() { apt-cache search "$@" | grep --color=auto "$@" }
• 1192[10:51:54] <nyov> you can pretty much do anything in a shell one-liner if you have no line limit xD
• 1193[10:52:03] <project2501a> maybe i should take this up with the apt maintainers. seems like a useful feature
• 1194[10:52:10] <project2501a> selckin: let me try that! thank you!
• 1195[10:52:45] <nyov> use --color=always perhaps
• 1196[10:53:01] <nyov> and awk for the slicing and sorting
• 1197[10:53:06] <selckin> it can also search into things it doesn't display (by default)
• 1198[10:53:11] <selckin> which is probably why it doesn't have it
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• 1203[10:54:11] <selckin> like if you search for "losetup" it'll return the mount package that has it
• 1204[10:54:47] <project2501a> yup
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• 1214[11:07:57] <colinl> hey folks!
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• 1217[11:08:25] <colinl> anyone else here getting bind9 complete failure today on Stretch ? "no valid KEY resolving './DNSKEY/IN': 192.228.79.201#53" etc
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• 1222[11:11:58] <bites> colinl: is that a forwarding dns server?
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• 1229[11:14:17] <colinl> it wasn't, now it is because that fixes it :)
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• 1231[11:14:55] <colinl> without forwarder, I'm getting that:
• 1232[11:14:56] <colinl> replaced-url
• 1233[11:15:15] <bites> is that bind9 from the debian repositories? yesterday a dnssec trust anchor expired. but debian integrated the new key for over a year already.
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• 1236[11:15:34] <colinl> yes. Internet seems to think that's a date problem but the server is ntp'd
• 1237[11:16:10] <colinl> I've seen that about the expiration, but I checked the bind.keys file and it's OK, it has the new one
• 1238[11:16:56] <colinl> It's really the simplest bind server, I apt installed it on the router and left everything default, so I'm surprised to stumble about that
• 1239[11:17:06] <selckin> there was going to be a root dns key rollover, maybe it happened
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• 1243[11:17:16] <colinl> especially since another router at another site has no problem, only difference is it's a deb8.
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• 1245[11:17:27] <colinl> selckin: it did yes
• 1246[11:17:50] <colinl> it's clearly related, it broke at the time of the last update of ftp://ftp.internic.net/domain/
• 1247[11:18:13] <selckin> what version of bind?
• 1248[11:18:25] <colinl> 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u4
• 1249[11:18:36] <selckin> managed-keys or trusted-keys ?
• 1250[11:19:01] <colinl> managed-keys, apparently, from bind.keys
• 1251[11:19:07] <selckin> then i don't know
• 1252[11:19:11] <colinl> and bind.conf.option has dnssec-validation auto
• 1253[11:19:23] <colinl> thanks anyway. I'll investigate more :)
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• 1291[11:53:22] <m189> hello
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• 1308[12:05:54] <litb> hello all
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• 1310[12:06:13] <litb> i have an nvidia GPU (gtx970) which as we know doesn't support wayland
• 1311[12:06:45] <litb> but i also got an intel GPU inside the CPU
• 1312[12:07:41] <litb> since i want to use wayland, i thought i switch to the intel GPU. but to play games, I wonder whether I could use a multi-seat setup with wayland and X running simultanuously
• 1313[12:07:59] <m189> hello
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• 1328[12:23:30] <aka__> message faut MAJ Skype... pas urgent
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• 1331[12:25:28] <SpeedyG> !fr
• 1332[12:25:28] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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• 1335[12:27:16] <yokowka> HeavenO, everysoul!!!! Is here Scott from U.S.A.?? Sofien from France??
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• 1372[13:05:16] <watom> hey. how i list packages that i have from backports? i don't have aptitude
• 1373[13:05:51] <towo^work> dpkg -l | grep bpo
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• 1375[13:06:09] <watom> thank you towo^work
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• 1377[13:08:13] <nado> hey how do i diagnose a "not abole to find boot volume" on a mac running debian?
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• 1379[13:08:50] <nado> disk doesnt show up in mac's repair utility but i can access it without issue when booting from a usb stick
• 1380[13:09:14] <nado> i checked that there was an efi entry with efibootmgr and i reran the grub install/update commands
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• 1386[13:12:31] <tdn> nyov, I would like pull. Really I just need to ping hosts as well as check if various tcp ports respond. That is the important stuff. Then other stuff like performance metrics, etc is nice to have and probably requires agent-based/push. But I need something that is easy to configure and maintain. I do not need a new hobby ;)
• 1387[13:13:14] <tdn> nyov, and also secure - which is why I dislike php.
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• 1397[13:18:41] <jelly> there are other nagios-compatible things, "shinken" is written in python but wasn't packaged in debian last time I looked
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• 1399[13:21:04] <OS-41888> !pain
• 1400[13:21:05] <dpkg> from memory, pain is just a different kind of feeling
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• 1404[13:21:51] <OS-41888> /join #offsec
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• 1408[13:23:04] <OS-41888> !pain
• 1409[13:23:04] <dpkg> pain is, like, just a different kind of feeling
• 1410[13:23:23] <OS-41888> !ip
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• 1412[13:23:23] <dpkg> IP (Internet Protocol) is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. To check yours, go to replaced-url
• 1413[13:23:30] <OS-41888> !bob
• 1414[13:23:30] <dpkg> methinks bob is the almighty spleened one.
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• 1417[13:24:11] <OS-41888> !pain box
• 1418[13:24:26] <Haohmaru> OS-41888 do you.. like.. have a question?
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• 1420[13:24:34] <nyov> tdn: perhaps give prometheus a trial first (since you already looked at it I assume), if you aren't uncomfortable with that stack
• 1421[13:24:38] <nyov> !ops
• 1422[13:24:38] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
• 1423[13:24:40] <nyov> :D
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• 1427[13:24:53] <nado> is it the debian support chan?
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• 1429[13:25:23] <SpeedyG> yep
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• 1431[13:25:52] <SpeedyG> OS-41888: you were in the wrong channel :)
• 1432[13:26:00] <nyov> tdn: this is why I didn't go with nagios-like anymore after icinga (but could be outdated): replaced-url
• 1433[13:26:01] <OS-41888> Hi, I have a question about OTRS box.
• 1434[13:26:12] <SpeedyG> OS-41888: please go to #offsec :)
• 1435[13:26:27] <BCMM> Haohmaru: i've seen people with that pattern of username before... they join apparently random channels, and ask questions about kali or how to join the IRC channel #offsec
• 1436[13:26:28] <SpeedyG> this is #debian, not for OSCP questions
• 1437[13:26:43] <BCMM> i don't know if i've ever seen them manage it, though
• 1438[13:26:43] <OS-41888> ok tnx :)
• 1439[13:27:05] <SpeedyG> BCMM: yeah, they're offsec students. some of them are unfortunately quite clueless when it comes to irc usage
• 1440[13:27:06] <nyov> oh, and here I thought it was the same
• 1441[13:27:06] <rabbitear_sdf> no don't goto infosec
• 1442[13:27:07] <BCMM> nado: yes, this channel is for debian support. do you have a question?
• 1443[13:27:31] <nado> BCMM, i already spelled it twice in ~15hours yes
• 1444[13:27:32] <BCMM> SpeedyG: what's with the usernames? is that pattern generated by the IRC client on Kali or something?
• 1445[13:27:43] <nado> 12/10/2018 13:08:19< nado> hey how do i diagnose a "not abole to find boot volume" on a mac running debian?
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• 1447[13:27:46] <nado> 12/10/2018 13:08:50-!- andrzejv [~andzej@78-56-77-187.static.zebra.lt] has joined #debian
• 1448[13:27:49] <nado> 12/10/2018 13:08:56< nado> disk doesnt show up in mac's repair utility but i can access it without issue when booting from a usb stick
• 1449[13:27:51] <rabbitear_sdf> maybe there will be a spinoff of debian can't name it, called debsec
• 1450[13:27:52] <nado> 12/10/2018 13:09:21< nado> i checked that there was an efi entry with efibootmgr and i reran the grub install/update commands
• 1451[13:28:04] <SpeedyG> BCMM: thats the student number you get assigned when you enrol for the course... not entirly sure why they use it as irc-name though..
• 1452[13:28:32] <rabbitear_sdf> its better money
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• 1454[13:28:34] <nado> client using system username by default SpeedyG ?
• 1455[13:28:46] <nado> maybe
• 1456[13:29:22] <tdn> nyov, interesting rant/article.
• 1457[13:29:55] <SpeedyG> nado: not sure... never tried the offsec irc approach as i've been using irc long before I even heard of offsec.. and only have been a student for a few months there :) (which was kinda awesome btw :P)
• 1458[13:30:15] <nado> (i dont even know offsec)
• 1459[13:30:18] <tdn> nyov, I agree with his points which is also the reason that I have on two different occations started developing my own monitoring system. But I grew tired of it both times.
• 1460[13:30:31] <tdn> nyov, one passive (pull) and one agent based.
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• 1462[13:30:39] <BCMM> SpeedyG: so the course isn't actually BS then?
• 1463[13:30:46] <SpeedyG> nado: offensive security is the company behind kali linux... which nowdays is a debian based penetration testing distro
• 1464[13:31:07] <nado> oh, i see, i never got the name behind that distro
• 1465[13:31:11] <BCMM> gotta admit, i was kind of judging it from the people it bring to IRC (and also, like, the involvement of kali)
• 1466[13:31:15] <SpeedyG> BCMM: nah, its a pretty good entry-level (OSCP) intermediate (OSCE) and expert (OSEE) pentest course
• 1467[13:31:55] <rabbitear_sdf> well, people like me have always been on IRC
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• 1469[13:32:03] <tdn> nyov, it seems there might be a business opportunity here.
• 1470[13:32:10] <SpeedyG> BCMM: but I have to admit, some of the students are idiots :)
• 1471[13:32:32] <rabbitear_sdf> I think its the ones that get paranoid about what happens are kind of strange behavior
• 1472[13:32:34] <nado> is there any chan related to debian on mac or about boot sequence on mac? Maybe i should join #grub or something
• 1473[13:33:15] <rabbitear_sdf> nado: yeah, you shouldn't be asking #debian
• 1474[13:33:22] <rabbitear_sdf> nado: they don't know
• 1475[13:33:26] <BCMM> SpeedyG: honestly, i think the impact on innocent bystanders is big enough to say that the course organisers are doing *something* wrong. their irc tutorial must not be sufficiently idiot-proof...
• 1476[13:33:41] <SpeedyG> replaced-url
• 1477[13:34:09] <SpeedyG> but yeah... they also clearly state in the channel that they no longer provide irc support...
• 1478[13:34:31] <nado> rabbitear_sdf, not sure how i should interpret that regarding the folks here
• 1479[13:34:32] <rabbitear_sdf> tutorial pointer atter!
• 1480[13:34:44] <BCMM> SpeedyG: i don't get it... how do they keep ending up in #debian? is it on auto-join in Kali's hexchat or something?
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• 1482[13:35:14] <rabbitear_sdf> nado: I can't see your name if you say my name
• 1483[13:35:16] <SpeedyG> BCMM: yeah, dunno that either
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• 1486[13:35:38] <nado> what?
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• 1488[13:35:46] <BCMM> SpeedyG: oh! i can see how they keep failing to join #offsec though - it's a page formatting issue. if you copy from their page, it's much too easy to get " /join #offsec" (with a leading space)
• 1489[13:36:06] <rabbitear_sdf> nado: talking about where is the best place for offsec stuff
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• 1492[13:36:50] <nado> rabbitear_sdf, no i didnt get the "cant see your name"
• 1493[13:36:55] <BCMM> nado: there doesn't seem to be a specific channel for debian on macs
• 1494[13:37:02] <nyov> nado: yeah you could try #grub actually. wonder if that mac might be locked with secureboot or something
• 1495[13:37:11] <rabbitear_sdf> nado: you will need a screenshot then
• 1496[13:37:22] <nado> what for?
• 1497[13:37:27] <BCMM> nado: is that the exact error you got?
• 1498[13:37:39] <rabbitear_sdf> nado: its not that a big deal no?
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• 1500[13:37:47] <nado> the error is "blinking folder with question mark on startup"
• 1501[13:37:57] <nado> which is apple's "cant find something to boot"
• 1502[13:37:58] <rabbitear_sdf> yes
• 1503[13:38:29] <rabbitear_sdf> nado: last mac I put 'linux' on was a G4
• 1504[13:38:45] <nado> rabbitear_sdf, thats nbot the point, what should i screenshot (or rabbitear_sdf ther take a picture of since i dont hae access to the system other than with chroot)?
• 1505[13:38:48] <rabbitear_sdf> nado: you are probably not gonna figure it out here, just to tell you
• 1506[13:39:15] <nado> im beginning to regret installing debian on it
• 1507[13:39:16] <rabbitear_sdf> nado: really, you need to travel to do mac's
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• 1509[13:39:31] <jelly> nado: might want to try asking in #debian on irc.debian.org as well
• 1510[13:39:42] <nado> thanks jelly
• 1511[13:41:57] <rabbitear_sdf> -eof-
• 1512[13:42:08] <nyov> --more--
• 1513[13:42:15] * project2501a pokes jelly
• 1514[13:42:56] <rabbitear_sdf> continue (y/n)?
• 1515[13:43:34] <Haohmaru> (A)bort (R)etry (F)ail ?
• 1516[13:43:44] <rabbitear_sdf> good one!
• 1517[13:44:35] <rabbitear_sdf> (n=new user) Username:
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• 1519[13:47:04] <rabbitear_sdf> you can't type in 'new' for new user.
• 1520[13:47:17] <rabbitear_sdf> that would be insane
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• 1537[14:00:43] <bolovanos> can anyone pls help me with iptables setup?
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• 1539[14:01:03] <bolovanos> I have set of rules which i update with iptables-restore < v4rules
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• 1541[14:01:29] <bolovanos> probelm is that some rules are ommited without iptables-restore warning
• 1542[14:01:52] <bolovanos> those of rules are ie "-A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports 22 -j f2b-ssh-ddos"
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• 1545[14:02:18] <bolovanos> "-A OUTPUT -d x.x.x.x/32 -p tcp -j ACCEPT"
• 1546[14:02:21] <bolovanos> etc
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• 1549[14:03:21] <bolovanos> I have two instances of debian 9, one on remote server, where I cannot easily make working copy of it to test on, and one clean install simulating that remote
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• 1551[14:03:59] <bolovanos> on that local test server - iptables-restore accept those rules
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• 1561[14:12:59] <bolovanos> --verbose and --test does reveal only rejected comments
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• 1616[15:06:00] <jelly> bolovanos: shouldn't those f2b-* chains and rules be established and managed by fail2ban
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• 1618[15:06:25] <jelly> if you save and enable them manually you'll have some duplicates
• 1619[15:06:39] <jelly> if fail2ban also gets started
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• 1621[15:08:49] <Epakai> what should i look into if i get different permissions when I print to file in chromium vs. saving a pdf directly? the print dialog method does not match my umask
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• 1657[15:34:14] <nyov> popquiz: can somebody remember what the magic numbers 468x60 meant?
• 1658[15:35:04] <SwedeMike> "The 468×60 ad unit is a now defunct IAB standard ad unit with the dimensions of 468 pixels wide by 60 pixels tall. The 468×60 was retired in 2011 by the IAB." ?
• 1659[15:35:36] <nyov> oh wow ^.^ ..defunkt. now that sounds fancy
• 1660[15:35:45] <nyov> replaced-url
• 1661[15:37:42] <nyov> are those tiny? easy to see why todays ads are so annoying compared to those now
• 1662[15:38:20] <nyov> SwedeMike wins. those were "regular banner size"!
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• 1664[15:40:04] <bolovanos> jelly, yes u right - already removed it before you mentioned it (read it somewhere on net), thx
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• 1673[15:49:50] <bolovanos> jelly, and also found problem with not added rules *filter\nommitedRule\nCOMMIT\n*nat\nrule\nCOMMIT\n*filter\nacceotedRule\nCOMMIT\n
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• 1705[16:15:32] <gr8> Hi, I need berkeley db 4.8 c++ headers on Debian Stretch (9.5) to compile Bitcoin core. How can I install that package? There is libdb++-dev and libdb5.3++-dev but both are 5.3 which is incompatible with 4.8
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• 1783[16:50:29] <BCMM> gr8: is it an old version of bitcoin core or something?
• 1784[16:50:57] <BCMM> gr8: because the version in Buster and Sid both depend on libdb5.3++
• 1785[16:51:02] <jelly> no, it's the current one
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• 1793[16:53:05] <jelly> bitcoin core upstream relies on a specific old branch, far as I can figure it out, because either the on-disk format of some files can become backward incompatible, or because upstream doesn't want to bother figuring out correct usage of BDB to make it compatible even with newer versions of the library
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• 1795[16:53:18] <BCMM> jelly: so the debian version is patched?
• 1796[16:53:24] <BCMM> i mean, patched by debian?
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• 1798[16:53:39] <jelly> the build in sid just uses whatever bdb is available
• 1799[16:54:14] <jelly> (I haven't noticed any issues switching back and forth but then again I did not look hard)
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• 1802[16:55:05] <jelly> ,v libdb4.8++-dev
• 1803[16:55:07] <judd> No package named 'libdb4.8++-dev' was found in amd64.
• 1804[16:55:20] <jelly> ,v libdb++-dev
• 1805[16:55:21] <judd> Package: libdb++-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.1.6; jessie: 5.3.0+b1; buster: 5.3.1; sid: 5.3.1; stretch: 5.3.1
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• 1808[16:56:24] <jelly> yeah, getting binary stuff older than wheezy will not work, that's before multiarch
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• 1810[16:57:16] <jelly> ,depends bitcoin-qt --release sid
• 1811[16:57:17] <judd> Package bitcoin-qt in sid/amd64 -- depends: libboost-chrono1.62.0, libboost-filesystem1.62.0, libboost-system1.62.0, libboost-thread1.62.0, libc6 (>= 2.27), libdb5.3++, libevent-2.1-6 (>= 2.1.8-stable), libevent-pthreads-2.1-6 (>= 2.1.8-stable), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libleveldb1v5, libminiupnpc17 (>= 1.9.20140610), libprotobuf10, libqrencode4 (>= 3.2.0), libqt5core5a (>= 5.11.0~rc1), libqt5dbus5 (>=
• 1812[16:57:18] <judd> 5.0.2), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.3.0), libqt5network5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.11.0~rc1), libsecp256k1-0 (>= 0.1~20160216), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 7), libunivalue0 (>= 1.0.3-2~), libzmq5 (>= 3.2.3+dfsg).
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• 1818[17:01:35] <digital> is there a way to increase the available entropy of a system (nas) running debian? I only need some more entropy now, and I have some available on my laptop
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• 1820[17:02:07] <jelly> digital: if it's a physical machine you can install haveged
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• 1832[17:07:13] <digital> okay, I'll do that. Is there a way to seed the randomness generator just once, to get temporarily more entropy? I'm just curious at this point
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• 1837[17:11:12] <jak2000> hi all
• 1838[17:11:39] <jak2000> anyone know how to use curl for send a http request GET with parameters? thanks
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• 1857[17:24:48] <annadane> i'm trying to disable screen blanking in i3wm, in other words after some inactivity, screen goes blank. i searched and found this replaced-url
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• 1859[17:26:27] <annadane> though i guess that thread being 2014 may be 4.13...
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• 1893[17:50:42] <somiaj> annadane: xset s off && xset -dpms
• 1894[17:51:01] <somiaj> annadane: you might be able to configure this in your xorg.conf, or run it in your .xsession or some startup script
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• 1939[18:13:01] <A|an> I'm preparing to install Firefox Quantum and try to fix an inadvertent mess...the page listing locations to download the deb file cautions users to use a package manager to *download* and install, instead of doing it *manually*. What are they talking about? For deb files, I've always simply downloaded them, then used dpkg to install. Is that doing it "manually"?
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• 1958[18:21:38] <Kohlrabi> A|an: Use apt?
• 1959[18:21:53] <annadane> A|an, the thing about .deb's is you should very rarely install them from the internet
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• 1963[18:22:17] <annadane> firefox quantum is *already* in stable, because of firefox ESR 60
• 1964[18:22:28] <Kohlrabi> A lot of stuf is in Debian and installabale via apt, firefox as well
• 1965[18:22:48] <annadane> installing untrusted .deb packages from the internet is a terrible idea, there's almost always better ways
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• 1970[18:23:51] <annadane> and i don't know what the page you're on is trying to say but yes when possible you should use your package manager... it's actually trusted
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• 1978[18:27:03] <jhutchins_wk> A|an: The package managers are apt, apt-get, aptitude, and synapptic (GUI). They attempt to resolve any dependencies for a requested package, download them, and install them.
• 1979[18:27:29] <jhutchins_wk> A|an: They're pretty much interchangable, slightly different features and implementation.
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• 1981[18:29:09] <jhutchins_wk> A|an: For instance, aptitude does deeper dependency resolution than apt-get, and apt is reported to not be ready for use in scripts yet (it's the latest). Because the deeper resolution, some release upgrades (jessie?) recommended the use of apt-get instead to prevent dependency loops.
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• 1988[18:31:53] <jordila> when installing from Live USB , may i set mounting Point '/' as Bootable flag: ON or OFF ?
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• 2041[18:55:48] <chuuna> is there a way to install golang 1.11 > in debian via apt?
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• 2043[18:56:08] <RoyK> ,v golang
• 2044[18:56:09] <judd> Package: golang on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.2-1.1; wheezy-security: 2:1.0.2-1.1+deb7u3; jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; jessie-backports: 2:1.7~5~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:1.7~5; stretch-backports: 2:1.10~5~bpo9+1; buster: 2:1.10~5; sid: 2:1.10~5
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• 2050[18:59:09] <chuuna> :(
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• 2056[19:00:18] <chuuna> why cant google have a debian repos with latest go
• 2057[19:00:22] <chuuna> fuck google
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• 2063[19:01:32] <RoyK> chuuna: well, 1.3.3 is in jessie, 1.7.5 is in jessie-backports - do you need 1.11?
• 2064[19:01:55] <RoyK> oh - 1.11 - > 1.10 - get it
• 2065[19:02:07] <RoyK> probably easier to build from scratch, then
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• 2068[19:02:44] <chuuna> true, but i dont like to build thing from scratch
• 2069[19:02:52] <chuuna> things
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• 2074[19:03:39] <RoyK> chuuna: checkinstall should work
• 2075[19:03:47] <chuuna> arch use the latest go :/ But I love debian
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• 2077[19:04:27] <RoyK> chuuna: debian is a bit more oriented around stability than arch…
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• 2083[19:05:56] <chuuna> true true
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• 2086[19:06:21] <jhutchins_wk> Why would google have debian repos at all?
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• 2089[19:06:44] <bites> they have for other things.
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• 2091[19:07:32] <jhutchins_wk> bites: You mean chrome?
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• 2095[19:07:46] <bites> or the google cloud sdk
• 2096[19:08:17] <jhutchins_wk> ... or Google Earth. Last I heard, go was not a google project.
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• 2098[19:08:46] <bites> but it is
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• 2104[19:10:59] <ntd> how else would they get debian users to easily installed closed-source spyware and feel snug about it?
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• 2106[19:11:06] <ntd> easily install
• 2107[19:11:42] <jhutchins_wk> bites: Google contributes, but I don't think it's an official Google Project.
• 2108[19:11:58] <jhutchins_wk> There is a golang repositiory, and Google probably hosts it.
• 2109[19:11:59] <bites> it was created by google for google.
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• 2137[19:21:35] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me turning the screen back on? It becomes permanently off after 2 or 3 hours of every boot.
• 2138[19:22:51] <jhutchins_wk> hexhaxtron: Check your logs, see if you can see why.
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• 2142[19:23:21] <jhutchins_wk> hexhaxtron: Tell us at least something about your hardware. "the screen" really isn't enough to go on.
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• 2150[19:29:10] <hexhaxtron> jhutchins_wk, the Graphics Card is 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP104 [GeForce GTX 1080] (rev a1)
• 2151[19:29:20] <hexhaxtron> And the Screen is an Acer Predator XB1.
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• 2163[19:33:42] <litb> for me, I have a delay after bootup but before Xorg in which the screen appears to be blank
• 2164[19:33:54] <litb> takes around 10s
• 2165[19:34:07] <litb> hexhaxtron, but that seems different from yours
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• 2169[19:36:25] <hexhaxtron> litb, yes, with me it's permanently blank.
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• 2171[19:36:43] <JordiGH> Where is npm?
• 2172[19:36:43] <litb> hexhaxtron, check whether it's on again if you type on the keyboard
• 2173[19:36:45] <hexhaxtron> It could be a power saving thing but pressing a key on the keyboard doesn't bring it back on.
• 2174[19:36:50] <JordiGH> I see nodejs in backports.
• 2175[19:36:55] <JordiGH> But there's no npm?
• 2176[19:37:08] <litb> and whether the PC itself is powered on. maybe it's in hibernation mode
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• 2178[19:37:20] <hexhaxtron> It's powered on.
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• 2182[19:40:12] <JordiGH> Like, wtf is going on here
• 2183[19:40:18] <JordiGH> nodejs is packaged without npm on Debian?
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• 2185[19:40:42] <bites> the package in debian stable, yes. never tried the one in backports.
• 2186[19:41:18] <JordiGH> Sigh, all ddg hits say "just use nodesource.com n00b"
• 2187[19:41:19] <bites> i always used the nodejs upstream repository. it has nodejs.
• 2188[19:41:24] <JordiGH> And now you too.
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• 2190[19:41:37] <bites> because that's the sensible thing.
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• 2192[19:41:54] <bites> * it has npm i mean.
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• 2194[19:42:42] <JordiGH> No, the sensible thing is to install from Debian, not to fetch packages from all around the web for some shitty language I don't actually care about.
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• 2196[19:43:07] <JordiGH> But I guess the sensible thing doesn't work because node.js is such a shitshow that we have to follow their shitshow.
• 2197[19:43:37] <bites> not sure what you are angry about. i answered your question, deal with it how you like.
• 2198[19:43:46] <JordiGH> No, you haven't answered my question.
• 2199[19:43:54] <JordiGH> My question is, why is there no npm in Debian?
• 2200[19:43:58] <JordiGH> But there is a nodejs?
• 2201[19:44:06] <bites> it's not there. that's the answer.
• 2202[19:44:15] <JordiGH> That's not an answer to "why".
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• 2207[19:46:00] <JordiGH> Let's see if #debian-js on OFTC knows what's up.
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• 2210[19:46:23] <bites> it was removed before the stretch freeze because nobody cared to keep it updated.
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• 2212[19:46:34] <jelly> ,v npm
• 2213[19:46:35] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; buster: 5.8.0+ds5-1; sid: 5.8.0+ds5-1
• 2214[19:47:00] <jelly> JordiGH: is RC BUGS! a more sensible but still useless answer
• 2215[19:47:12] <JordiGH> Actually, that's pretty useful.
• 2216[19:47:30] <jelly> testing and unstable are also Debian you know!
• 2217[19:47:42] * jelly hides
• 2218[19:48:01] <JordiGH> Surprising there isn't a backport of it, then.
• 2219[19:48:46] <jelly> ,checkbackport npm
• 2220[19:48:55] <judd> Backporting package npm in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: node-bluebird (>= 3.5.1~), node-chownr (>= 1.0.1~), node-fs-vacuum (>= 1.2.10~), node-npm-package-arg, node-mississippi (>= 3.0~), node-move-concurrently (>= 1.0.1~), node-tar (>= 4.4~), node-xdg-basedir (>= 3.0~), node-validate-npm-package-name (>= 3.0~).
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• 2226[19:50:25] <annadane> not with that attitude
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• 2230[19:51:26] <JordiGH> Looks like it's just too annoying.
• 2231[19:51:34] <JordiGH> Well, c'est la js.
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• 2233[19:51:56] <JordiGH> Let's go installing some rando external repo from the clows that brought us leftpad
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• 2242[19:54:58] <JordiGH> Oh, look, now someone unpublished one of the deps in this package.json
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• 2267[20:09:19] <mrig> Essentially all the docs are in jupyter wish is a little annoying to the uninitiated!
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• 2269[20:09:41] <mrig> ops, wrong buffer, sorry :)
• 2270[20:09:47] <JordiGH> Aha, they're working on getting npm into stable: replaced-url
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• 2323[20:45:07] <yokowka> annadane, yep.
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• 2351[21:03:08] <jelly> tw: what's your goal there, you can probably do it with perl in a similar amount of characters
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• 2355[21:04:17] <tw> jelly: replaced-url
• 2356[21:04:21] <tw> and probably.
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• 2360[21:07:54] <bluenemo> i'm trying to configure dnsmasq to listen on only two specific interfaces by specifying interface=abc0\ninterface=def0 but it then only answers requests on the second interface. got dnsmasq 2.76 from the debian 9 repos
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• 2364[21:10:16] <bluenemo> looks like a bug to me.. when I set it to interface=, it will listen on a random interface, when I set it to interface=*, it listens on all interfaces
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• 2431[21:49:37] <factor> What is the best way to get tesnorflow on debian?
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• 2438[21:51:46] <jhutchins_wk> ,v tesnorflow
• 2439[21:51:47] <judd> No package named 'tesnorflow' was found in amd64.
• 2440[21:52:11] <jhutchins_wk> ,v tensorflow
• 2441[21:52:12] <judd> No package named 'tensorflow' was found in amd64.
• 2442[21:52:36] <bites> if you want the python api, pip install it, preferably in a python virtualenv.
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• 2445[21:53:39] <[jasper]> hej guys, I'm getting the following error: tail: unrecognized file system type 0x794c7630 for 'mail.err'. please report this to bug-coreutils@gnu.org. reverting to polling
• 2446[21:53:44] <[jasper]> is this a known issue?
• 2447[21:54:47] <jhutchins_wk> factor: Probably go with the docker container since it isn't packaged for Debian. You could try the Ubuntu package, but that's risky. replaced-url
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• 2452[21:57:01] <factor> bites, Was hoping it would work in native testing , I had it working last week not this week
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• 2454[21:57:13] <gedia> hello all. does anyone know what debian stretch "rocky" is?
• 2455[21:57:31] <gedia> is it a spin of stretch of openstack? I can't find info on this anywhere...
• 2456[21:57:39] <gedia> * for openstack
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• 2459[21:58:10] <factor> jhutchins_wk, I am making a docker container ,debian testing based. But yes it is not working on debian this week
• 2460[21:58:14] <bites> factor: in what way is it not working? did you try to delete the virtualenv and create a new one?
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• 2462[21:58:59] <factor> bites, virtualenv IS WORKING , i WAS TALKING NATIVE
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• 2465[22:00:07] <factor> Will have to figure out how virtualenv works, or hope I can compile it myself so I can move forward.
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• 2470[22:01:17] <factor> This site says it is working for debian , via nightly. how do I use this pip environment to get it. replaced-url
• 2471[22:02:32] <factor> Is all I need to do is pip install tf-nightly
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• 2475[22:03:35] <factor> in the debian container I get the error. replaced-url
• 2476[22:03:45] <factor> debian testing.
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• 2478[22:04:20] <at0m> dpkg: tell factor about testing
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• 2482[22:08:20] <factor> I checked it on my main system debian stable. nightly does work.
• 2483[22:08:52] <factor> Will remake the container with stable then, keep bouncing back and forth
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• 2489[22:11:27] <at0m> well you don't have to, but testing specific bugs will be better answered in that oftc channel
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• 2497[22:20:49] <Hijiri> hi, I'm having some issues with eclipse, it doesn't give me the option to enter the java perspective or to create java projects
• 2498[22:20:55] <Hijiri> I'm not sure if the java parts installed properly and was wondering if maybe this is a common issue with fix
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• 2501[22:21:19] <Hijiri> or maybe I have some config around somewhere that is breaking this
• 2502[22:22:35] <Hijiri> I've tried purging and reinstalling all eclipse-related debian packages
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• 2507[22:29:17] <n4dir> Hijiri: purging a program doesn't remove the user config files. Might well be that sometimes even global configs don't get removed. I never understood that.
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• 2509[22:29:45] <Hijiri> I've removed my user config files between installs too (~/.eclipse and ~/workspace)
• 2510[22:29:57] <n4dir> ah, then i said nothing
• 2511[22:30:06] <Hijiri> well, I should have said something
• 2512[22:30:09] <Hijiri> about it earlier
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• 2540[22:44:19] <xxxazametxxx> hi all
• 2541[22:44:30] <xxxazametxxx> what is the name of blackarch room?
• 2542[22:44:38] <annadane> !blackarch
• 2543[22:44:42] <xxxazametxxx> thank u
• 2544[22:44:48] <annadane> no, that's not it
• 2545[22:44:54] <annadane> i was trying to see if our bot had a factoid for it
• 2546[22:45:00] <annadane> !black arch
• 2547[22:45:07] <annadane> let me search the database, then
• 2548[22:45:24] <jhutchins_wk> alis
• 2549[22:45:46] <jhutchins_wk> /msg alis list black
• 2550[22:46:02] <annadane> xxxazametxxx, #blackarch
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• 2552[22:46:29] <jhutchins_wk> alis doesn't seem to be up today.
• 2553[22:46:49] <xxxazametxxx> im trying to boot live usb but i get cpu lock error on boot what to do?
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• 2555[22:47:19] <xxxazametxxx> can anybody pls help to this noob :D
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• 2557[22:47:51] <jhutchins_wk> I can't remember the rule, one hashtag for official, two for unofficial?
• 2558[22:47:59] <annadane> yeah
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• 2562[22:48:30] <annadane> xxxazametxxx, for black arch or debian. if it's for black arch, ask #blackarch
• 2563[22:48:36] <jhutchins_wk> xxxazametxxx: IRC channels pretty universally start with at least one hashtag rater than @ or some other character.
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• 2568[22:49:06] <jhutchins_wk> xxxazametxxx: Most likely cause is corrupted download or bad 'burn'.
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• 2570[22:49:09] <xxxazametxxx> it is blackarch but the blackarch room is not answering no one is writing looks like no one is online there
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• 2572[22:49:29] <jhutchins_wk> xxxazametxxx: Why aren't you asking in #porche?
• 2573[22:49:52] <jhutchins_wk> xxxazametxxx: It's just as relevant as #debian.
• 2574[22:49:54] <xxxazametxxx> jhutchins no it is not corrupted another person haves same problem but he did change the grub file before boot i need to learn it too how to change the grub file only before the boot
• 2575[22:50:01] <xxxazametxxx> i know what to do but i dont know how to do
• 2576[22:50:06] <annadane> i mean, the people in #debian are unlikely to know much about black arch. therefore any advice we have might end up being useless at best, destructive at worst
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• 2578[22:50:36] <annadane> if no one answers for extended periods of time, try ##linux
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• 2581[22:50:48] <annadane> that said, patience
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• 2586[22:55:41] <jhutchins_wk> xxxazametxxx: Mailing lists.
• 2587[22:55:55] <annadane> or mailing lists, yeah. better answer
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• 2621[23:29:55] <__m4ch1n3__> hey I used to start compiz from xfce4 or lightdm session with "compiz --replace" but now this logs me instantly out to lightdm greeter. any idea why?
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• 2624[23:32:33] <__m4ch1n3__> *or lxde session
• 2625[23:32:47] <annadane> __m4ch1n3__, correct me if i'm wrong but i seem to recall you're on testing?
• 2626[23:33:08] <__m4ch1n3__> lol no :3
• 2627[23:33:13] <annadane> ah, wrong person then
• 2628[23:33:20] <__m4ch1n3__> yeah but it was in stretch same
• 2629[23:33:58] <__m4ch1n3__> then i gave it up trying make it run before i switched to testing
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• 2631[23:35:33] <annadane> the thing is, if you're on testing now you probably should ask in #debian next on OFTC because behavior of compiz may change from stretch to buster
• 2632[23:35:44] <annadane> #debian-next*
• 2633[23:35:58] <__m4ch1n3__> its like lightdm would close instantly the session if the window manger it was started with is terminated
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• 2638[23:41:17] <annadane> did you check .xsession-errors maybe
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