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34 [00:30:43] <Xray2> hi
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38 [00:35:44] <nvz> does anyone know if I can connect multiple
bluetooth devices, like two input devices or an input device and an
audio device? I have Debian 10, Intel 7260 Wifi/BT card
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40 [00:36:31] <nvz> I've so far only tried it with one
thing at a time.. just wondering as I plan to order some more stuff
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44 [00:40:59] <Kadigan> Hey. So, I borked my boot. :D Moved to a
new motherboard, wanted AHCI - found online that I need to add
ahci/libahci and do the whole update-initramfs song-and-dance, so I
did... only it still didn't boot in AHCI, but now it also
doesn't boot in IDE (no devices listed... were found). I figure
I could probably find a live USB and try to fix it that way, but
there's a small complication in that I have mdraid on the disks
-- does that have any gotchas
45 [00:40:59] <Kadigan> I need to look out for here? Maybe I
should use a different bootloader altogether? (I *think* I'm on
grub, possibly grub2?)
46 [00:41:57] <nvz> o.O
47 [00:42:10] <Kadigan> Also, if there's anything I can do
via the provided BusyBox shell, we can skip that - my keyboard
doesn't work with it, so I can only hard-reset from that shell.
48 [00:43:30] <joepublic> I have one headset, zero anything else
connected by bluetooth, sorry
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59 [00:50:29] <adikt> how do i get firefox to stop autostarting
when i reboot? i feel like this is a dumb question. there is no
option in firefox. i do not have firefox in my startup applications
(i have steam, torguard, other stuff). i've googled lots and
can only find tutorials telling me to disable in windows msconfig
60 [00:50:51] <adikt> does it have something to do with the ESR
version automatically installed with debian 10?
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67 [00:53:00] <joepublic> sounds like your desktop environment
is perhaps trying to "restore the desktop", the cure for
which is desktop environment-specific
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70 [00:54:05] <nvz> Kadigan: you have absolutely no relevant
info in there to suggest anything other than you have no idea what
you're doing, followed instructions from someone else who had
no idea what they're doing, and your machine is broken.
Relevant info here is what OS you're running and what hardware
you're using. I have been using AHCI, from boot.. for over a
decade, by.. having AHCI hardware, I've done nothing else
71 [00:54:23] <nvz> chances are your bios settings are what your
real issue were if you're not getting ahci
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74 [00:56:52] <adikt> joepublic, that kind of makes sense.. i am
migrating over from linux mint to debian 10, but also using kde
instead of gnome...
75 [00:56:57] <adikt> and i found the option!
76 [00:57:08] <adikt> thank you!
77 [00:57:33] <nvz> adikt: yes desktop environments all
typically have session managers that among other things control
startup apps and can remeber and restore running apps
78 [00:58:04] <adikt> i was struggling to figure out why hexchat
was spawning two instances on load.. it's because it was
loading the last instance plus the startup
79 [00:58:05] <Kadigan> nvz: Debian 9, mobo Asus M5A97 Pro.
Installed in IDE compatibility mode, originally.
80 [00:58:21] <adikt> and it's probably the only program
that allows multiple instances.. as steam does not
81 [00:58:27] <Kadigan> (disks are 2x 1TB HDD)
82 [00:58:29] <adikt> makes sense gonna try it now
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84 [00:58:48] <nvz> Kadigan: are you using some kinda software
raid? and your kernel version? uname -r
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87 [00:59:35] <Kadigan> I can't tell you the kernel
version, can't boot into it. And I'm using the software
RAID I got with Debian. I thought "why not" when I set it
up, and I'm -not- using the motherboard 'BIOS RAID'.
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89 [01:00:11] <adikt> perfect
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91 [01:03:04] <joepublic> when you boot from super grub 2 rescue
disk (for example) your mdraid should be assembled on boot
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93 [01:04:58] <Kadigan> I'll give it a shot, see what I can
see.
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112 [01:23:31] <J0P3YE> I notice that Debian-Xfce comes packaged
with UXTerm, XTerm, XfceTerminal, and Thai X Terminal tucked away in
Applications > Settings. Do I need all of these terminal choices?
113 [01:24:06] <J0P3YE> Can I get rid of all but xfceterminal per
say?
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119 [01:26:03] <Kadigan> joepublic: couldn't see anything
("Missing operating system").
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123 [01:26:45] <Kadigan> However, I was inaccurate in my original
reporting. What I thought as "grub" is actually fine --
it's mdadm that's not working right. I assume that by
changing/updating it, I scrambled the UUIDs it uses to start. So a
better question would probably be: how do I fix those?
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147 [01:54:56] <joepublic> my mdadm-fu is admittedly super weak
but I remember from when i used it that it was very well documented.
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160 [02:02:34] <Kadigan> Yeah, I'm doing my best to find
info on repairing the config file. I'm currently booted into a
live CD and chrooted into md0
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164 [02:04:37] <Kadigan> Fun fact, output of `mdadm --detail
--scan` matches what I have in mdadm.conf, so I'm not sure
where the problem is... Probably somewhere in initramfs, since
that's what (I think) broke it.
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173 [02:12:31] <fuxxy> 1GB at 72MB/sec takes....
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179 [02:13:57] <panda_friend> How do I stop my audio balance from
automatically rebalancing to perfect 50-50? It keeps undoing my
changes.
180 [02:14:02] <fuxxy> erp, already screwed up. 1TB=1048576MB
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183 [02:14:40] <fuxxy> roughly 4 hours
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186 [02:16:54] <fuxxy> panda_friend, alsa or pulseaudio?
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191 [02:19:47] <panda_friend> fuxxy: Control Center -> Sound
Preferences -> Output... whatever that is...
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195 [02:21:07] <somiaj> most likely pulse these days with any
desktop enviorment.
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197 [02:22:13] <Kadigan> nvz, joepublic -- okay, I'm
officially pinning a "total noob" badge to myself, but it
now works.
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199 [02:22:37] <Kadigan> I went back to what the params were
before the changes, update-initramfs -u and it now boots in AHCI.
200 [02:22:38] <joepublic> that's about my level (total
noob) of raid mastery.
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202 [02:22:56] <joepublic> just glad it's working.
203 [02:23:07] <Kadigan> The weird thing is, when I first made
the changes and booted into AHCI, it did start grub, but it had
mdadm errors. Previously, AHCI got me a "Please insert boot
device" message
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205 [02:23:22] <pureos> what level raid?
206 [02:23:26] <Kadigan> Raid1
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208 [02:23:45] <Kadigan> (2x 1TB magnetic)
209 [02:24:19] <soft_cement> Hi, I'm getting a weird
issue... when trying to install a package file that exists in the
current directory, I get the following error: Unsupported file
./elasticsearch-6.5.0.rpm given on commandline
210 [02:24:29] <soft_cement> The command I'm using is:
apt-get -y install ./elasticsearch-6.5.0.rpm
211 [02:24:31] <Kadigan> So it seems that whatever changes I
made, apart from breaking mdadm, also fixed grub in AHCI. Changing
it back fixed the boot after that. I don't understand it at
all, really.
212 [02:25:03] <somiaj> soft_cement: why are you trying to
install an .rpm (red hat package) on debian (which uses .deb)
213 [02:25:24] <somiaj> soft_cement: in general you can't
just install packages like this (even installing random .deb's
you download is not suggested and can break things)
214 [02:25:51] <soft_cement> somiaj: honestly I'm not sure.
I'm working on this with someone else, who said it can be
converted... we're following a guide that is *supposedly*
written for Debian/Ubuntu
215 [02:26:05] <soft_cement> somiaj: so then the problem is as I
suspected, that debian can't work with .rpm packages?
216 [02:26:27] <joepublic> the phrase "apt-get ... rpm"
indicates that someone, somewhere, is being trolled.
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218 [02:26:43] <somiaj> soft_cement: there is alien, but even
then, unless the package was built using libaries that are also
present in debian (with similar versions) it still won't work.
219 [02:26:51] <soft_cement> okay, thanks guys :)
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221 [02:27:15] <somiaj> !don't break debian
222 [02:27:15] <dpkg> i guess dont break debian is
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223 [02:27:28] <BazookaTooth> doesn't alien do rpm to deb
conversions?
224 [02:27:41] <somiaj> soft_cement: ^^ you should even be
careful installing .deb's you find in random places, just
because you have a .deb doesn't mean it is compadable and can
install on your debian without breaking things.
225 [02:27:57] <BazookaTooth> eh somiaj got it
226 [02:27:59] <soft_cement> somiaj: of course
227 [02:28:03] <somiaj> BazookaTooth: at some level, but still
doesn't mean some random rpm is compadable with the version of
debian being used.
228 [02:28:14] <BazookaTooth> yup. aware
229 [02:28:30] <BazookaTooth> would rather just yank it from
github or build from source than use weird conversions
230 [02:28:49] <pureos> is the rpm equivalent for deb?
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232 [02:29:01] <pureos> there no*
233 [02:29:04] <somiaj> pureos: basically.
234 [02:29:34] <somiaj> rpm is what redhat (so rhel, centos,
fedora) use along with suse and a few other linux distros.
235 [02:30:33] <pureos> my bad, i was typing to fast for my
thoughts.
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237 [02:31:09] <pureos> does deb not have an equivalent for the
rpm that is trying to be used?
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239 [02:31:34] <somiaj> oh I see the question, unsure, no clue
what elasticsearch is
240 [02:31:45] <pureos> same
241 [02:32:14] <somiaj> there are various packages that work with
elasticsearch in debian, unsure what one is needed in this case.
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243 [02:33:04] <somiaj> I see some cli, python, ruby, clients,
for elasticsearch, but unsure what else would be needed
244 [02:33:11] <soft_cement> "new elasticsearch package
pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status
1"
245 [02:33:22] <soft_cement> is exit status 1 a generic error
that it didn't work?
246 [02:33:32] <somiaj> soft_cement: we aren't gonna support
some random .rpm you downloaded.
247 [02:33:38] <soft_cement> somiaj: fair enough
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249 [02:33:50] <somiaj> soft_cement: any exit code other than 0
means something failed.
250 [02:33:54] <soft_cement> right
251 [02:34:09] <soft_cement> so I guess it's up to the
author of said script what 1 means
252 [02:34:09] <somiaj> debian already contains various
elasticsearch clients, I would start there.
253 [02:34:19] <soft_cement> okay I will look at those, thanks
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256 [02:35:12] <somiaj> but don't follow some random guide
on the internet that suggests starting with an rpm, unless you know
what it is doing and why, you can easily break your debian doing
stuff like that (and unfourntally the internet is full of bad advise
that can do this)
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265 [02:42:35] <soft_cement> Well this guide is by the authors of
the software we are trying to install... nevertheless it has a few
errors
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314 [03:34:37] <godane> so i noticed that aufs-dkms package has
not been updated
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317 [03:35:20] <godane> it can be upload using this repo :
replaced-url
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588 [08:33:03] <dev_> hello all
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595 [08:36:10] <neox> Hey
596 [08:36:46] <ZaZaGX> hi
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599 [08:38:49] <fuxxy> I dumped my database to an sql file to
change the saved hostname in multiple tables. Would the standard
'mysql -u username -p database_name < file.sql' UPDATE
the records that have been modified?
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612 [08:47:03] <petn-randall> fuxxy: Your dump likely contains
plain SQL commands. So if there's an insert statement,
it'll likely just insert it, or fail on a unique constraint.
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615 [08:47:29] <petn-randall> fuxxy: If you drop your table first
you can restore the backup.
616 [08:47:40] <petn-randall> table = database
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626 [08:49:47] <fuxxy> I'm worried if I drop the table, if
there are any relationships, they'll be broken
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628 [08:50:40] <petn-randall> fuxxy: That's why I said dump
the complete database.
629 [08:51:03] <petn-randall> fuxxy: But why not just go the
easier route and run those update statements?
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660 [09:06:49] <ajazdzewski> hi, i like to know if there was a
reason to disable http in qemu-img
661 [09:06:50] <ajazdzewski> qemu-img? Could not open 'replaced-url
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664 [09:07:43] <Cyb0ti> Sorry not sure...Maybe in preference for
secure protocol
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668 [09:09:55] <ajazdzewski> i will check if it is also the case
in bullseye ...
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677 [09:11:04] <petn-randall> ajazdzewski: Is http even supported
as a protocol?
678 [09:11:29] <petn-randall> I can't find any mentioning in
the man page.
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683 [09:13:24] <ajazdzewski> petn-randall: yes it worked before
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685 [09:15:08] <petn-randall> ajazdzewski: before what?
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687 [09:17:39] <nevivurn> ajazdzewski: not sure if it's the
same issue, but I remember seeing something similar after copying
stuff around, check if there are any invisible characters in there.
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692 [09:18:54] <ajazdzewski> petn-randall: it also fail in
bullsey but it work in ubuntu 18.04 ... we are in the progess to
migrate from ubuntu to debian and we deploy our VM that way
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702 [09:22:52] <petn-randall> ajazdzewski: Oh, so it worked on
Ubuntu, but never in Debian. Maybe you need to install some extra
packages.
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704 [09:23:10] <jm_> that's odd, ubuntu's man page is
exactly the same as debian's
705 [09:24:09] <petn-randall> ajazdzewski: Can you show the
command + output of the working example in Ubuntu?
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711 [09:25:22] <ajazdzewski> petn-randall: yes i just had the
same idea ;-)
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714 [09:26:15] <ajazdzewski> petn-randall: jepp '# apt
install qemu-block-extra ' sole the issue
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716 [09:28:02] <ajazdzewski> and now it works 'qemu-img
convert -f qcow2 -O raw
replaced-url
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720 [09:28:50] <petn-randall> ajazdzewski: Glad you got it fixed!
Yay \o/
721 [09:29:13] <ZAJDAN> hi...could anybody explain me command
'find' what means option -printf %P
722 [09:29:52] <ZAJDAN> in manpage is: %P File's name with
the name of the starting-point under which it was found removed.
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724 [09:30:15] <ZAJDAN> but what means the starting point?
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728 [09:34:25] <nevivurn> ZAJDAN: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-D
debugopts] [-Olevel] [starting-point...] [expression]
729 [09:34:38] <nevivurn> so the path you input
730 [09:34:44] <jm_> ZAJDAN: it means the part that you supply to
find on command line is removed
731 [09:34:55] <jm_> basically you get relative filenames
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735 [09:36:22] <ZAJDAN> jm_ aha..simply say it cutout the path
from where I launch the find?
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738 [09:36:45] <jelly> ,v patroni
739 [09:36:46] <judd> Package: patroni on amd64 -- buster:
1.5.5-2; bullseye: 1.6.3-2; sid: 1.6.4-1
740 [09:37:05] <jm_> ZAJDAN: not where you launch it from, the
starting-point... command line argument
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743 [09:37:40] <ZAJDAN> jm_ aha now I understand(Iam not native
english)
744 [09:37:59] <GNU\colossus> jelly, pgdg also packages patroni,
iirc
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750 [09:44:12] <ZAJDAN> on one next thing..how to pass the list
from find into rsync option: find /tady/ -type f -mtime -1 -printf
%P\\0\\n | rsync --files-from= ?
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753 [09:45:59] <jm_> it will read from stdin if you say
--files-from=-
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756 [09:47:08] <ZAJDAN> jm_ ok and the stdin is expressed as
symbol - ?
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759 [09:49:13] <jm_> ZAJDAN: it's a common pattern shared by
many unix commands, but it does not work in all cases (in this case
man page explains too)
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761 [09:49:40] <ZAJDAN> jm_ thank You
762 [09:49:52] <jm_> no problem
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768 [09:52:30] <ZAJDAN> jm_ in what manpage I can readout about
the stdin ?
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770 [09:53:30] <ZAJDAN> man rsync speaks just about stdout
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772 [09:54:18] <nevivurn> ZAJDAN: `Using this option allows you
to specify the exact list of files to transfer (as read from the
specified FILE or - for standard input).`
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776 [09:55:08] <ZAJDAN> nevivurn: thank You
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782 [09:58:29] <ZAJDAN> I am not native speaker, but I would
write: (as read from the specified FILE or symbol '-' for
standard input)
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786 [09:59:55] <nevivurn> ZAJDAN: depends on your man browser /
terminal, mine shows it bolded a bit, may help readability
787 [10:00:08] <jm_> ZAJDAN: for your question, man rsync
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789 [10:00:37] <jm_> ZAJDAN: (as read from the specified FILE or
- for standard input).
790 [10:00:43] <jm_> that's from the man page
791 [10:00:55] <ZAJDAN> thank You mans
792 [10:00:56] <jm_> ahh already mentioned above, sorry
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897 [11:31:03] <anonymip> is it possible to add anew line to
/etc/crontab if you want a cron job to run at a speciffic time that
don't fall under either of /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.weekly or
/etc/cron.monthly ?
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911 [11:38:39] <at0m> anonymip: "crontab -e"
912 [11:38:51] <mllie> I did run "rsync -avzP
/Volumes/Extern/* /Volumes/home/". How can I now verify that no
files differs? Just running it again outputs all files, not only the
diffing files?
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914 [11:39:37] <tarzeau> mllie: i use file size+file count, du
-sh and find .|wc -l then you could compare cat recursively all
files through md5sum :)
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920 [11:41:55] <mllie> tarzeau How would that look like with
md5sum? :)
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922 [11:42:11] <tarzeau> mllie: slow :)
923 [11:42:32] <tarzeau> mllie: even file count is slow with
18million files, and du is even slower
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926 [11:42:47] <tarzeau> mllie: i usually skip that part, and
trust rsync
927 [11:43:52] <mllie> Doesn't rsync do md5 as well?
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929 [11:44:19] <mllie> I only have 850k files, then maybe I could
stick with the md5 as well? ;)
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932 [11:47:51] <nlpqda> connecting ethernet cable to the
laptop's network port will automatically disable wifi
connection, how to keep both acitive and automate the find the best
connection among them to do tasks.
933 [11:47:57] <nlpqda> ?
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938 [11:49:31] <jm_> mllie: I use rhash or cfv to generate and
compare checksums for directory trees
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945 [11:51:51] <Bodiro> Big thank you, to all, who work on
Debian. I love it and it made my life easier for years!
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949 [11:53:25] <Haohmaru> i think they would be more likely on
another network.. the dev guys
950 [11:53:38] <Haohmaru> this is moar for user support
951 [11:53:49] <Haohmaru> oftc probably
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953 [11:54:21] <Bodiro> Haohmaru: I see your point, but this is,
where I am ;-)
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964 [12:00:38] <ws2k3> im getting ImportError: No module named
lsb_release what can i do to resolve this issue? it seems to be a
python3 script
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969 [12:02:51] <jm_> try installing the lsb-release package
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1005 [12:20:24] <anonymip> at0m, what about "crontab -e"
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1009 [12:22:13] <CombatVet> does anybody know a simple
pastebin-like but for files? with like a 'browse' button
and lets users choose files they want to upload? similar to
megaupload
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1015 [12:25:17] <Wulf> CombatVet: dropbox?
1016 [12:25:43] <Wulf> CombatVet: or a graphical sftp client which
you use to upload files to your own webserver?
1017 [12:27:03] <jm_> you mean to host your own? something like
replaced-url
1018 [12:27:23] <CombatVet> ooh perfect
1019 [12:27:32] <anonymip> I just added a new folder
"cron.myjobname" under /etc, and and put the cron job
there, then speciified that in a new line in /etc/crontab
1020 [12:28:25] <CombatVet> jm_, do you use that yourself?
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1022 [12:28:42] <jm_> CombatVet: no, we use just some simple
pastebin for text
1023 [12:28:45] <anonymip> thet seems to work, at least I can run
it manually with sudo run-parts /etc/cron.backup
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1025 [12:29:30] <CombatVet> just hope it's not a resource
hog, hope to run n a container
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1033 [12:34:00] <nlpqda> was my question unclear or not doable?
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1035 [12:38:44] <jm_> nlpqda: I don't use wifi, but perhaps
start by finding out what disables it in the first place
1036 [12:38:44] <ratrace> nlpqda: probably a bit of both. you can
technically have both eth and wlan NICs up and running. routing
decides which NIC to transfer packets through. Look into network
interface bonding to see how to utilize failover or other features
of it:
replaced-url
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1044 [12:43:55] <Wulf> nlpqda: on my laptops I usually set
ethernet to manual mode. (Add in /etc/network/interfaces.d/). Then
plugging in a cable won't affect wifi. But that won't
solve your b)
1045 [12:44:15] <Wulf> nlpqda: "nmcli d" should say sth
like "eth0 ethernet unmanaged --"
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1047 [12:45:27] <Wulf> And my wifi is still a bit faster than my
internet connection (100 mbit/s downstream), so no need to use
ethernet here.
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1061 [12:55:25] <ws2k3> im getting ImportError: No module named
lsb_release what can i do to resolve this issue? it seems to be a
python3 script
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1063 [12:56:08] <ratrace> ws2k3: you were told to install the
lsb-release package, as it contains the python module
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1065 [12:56:26] <ws2k3> ratrace: i scrooled back but didnt see a
respondse
1066 [12:56:46] <ratrace> ws2k3: jm_ told you two minutes after
you posted
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1068 [12:57:06] <ws2k3> ratrace: then i proberly missed that. thx
for ur respondse that resolved the issue i was having
1069 [12:57:06] <ratrace> didn't hilight you, but still...
the channel was quiet, no other convo going
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1079 [13:01:27] <cHi-ses-> hi all :) someone using "direct
replication" in maxscale for columnstore?
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1213 [14:22:57] <muhaha> guys? I disabled secure boot and now I am
getting black screen after reboot ( startup/shutdown is working ok
). any idea?
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1215 [14:23:09] <muhaha> os was installed with enabled secure boot
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1228 [14:27:52] <petn-randall> muhaha: Which OS release are you
running?
1229 [14:28:59] <muhaha> debian based
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1231 [14:29:18] <petn-randall> muhaha: What does that mean?
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1242 [14:35:45] <Guest81334> muhaha, try switching console
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1244 [14:35:54] <muhaha> Nothings works..
1245 [14:36:14] <towo^work> try switching to debian
1246 [14:36:17] <muhaha> :D
1247 [14:36:21] <towo^work> debian based is not supported here
1248 [14:36:29] <muhaha> I waited for this..
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1253 [14:38:16] <ayekat> wait until Toy Story 5 has a character
named 'based', and then we get all confused in here
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1259 [14:40:56] <ratrace> ayekat: bwahahahaha
1260 [14:41:06] <muhaha> for all debian based guys with same
problem ->
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1270 [14:43:26] <joepublic> we are mostly not debian based. we run
the real thing :)
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1283 [14:49:05] <muhaha> would you trial me even if I would use
ponyOS ?
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1285 [14:49:54] <muhaha> or all this negative energy is directed
to debian based os ? :D
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1288 [14:50:43] <drewolson> hi folks -- i'm experiencing an
issue when trying to upgrade to the newest containerd.io on my
digital ocean server
replaced-url
1289 [14:50:47] <joepublic> it's positive energy! you are
encouraged to use a debian-based os (being a base for other OSs is a
goal of the debian project), and to go gripe in their channel.
1290 [14:50:49] <drewolson> however all just worked fine on my
laptop
1291 [14:50:52] <ratrace> muhaha: there's no negative energy.
we simply have no idea what various downstream forks and "base
on" things have changed, and we cannot possibly know.
1292 [14:50:54] <drewolson> any suggestions?
1293 [14:50:55] <ratrace> !based on
1294 [14:50:55] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
1295 [14:52:05] <ratrace> !tell drewolson about debian-next
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1298 [14:53:45] <drewolson> ratrace i'm on stable. but are
you saying that because the package isn't canonical i should
ask in this other channel? if so, got it! thanks.
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1300 [14:54:30] <drewolson> regardless, based on curling the URL,
it seems the server may be having issues right now. thanks!
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1302 [14:54:48] <ratrace> drewolson: there's no containerd in
debian stable
1303 [14:54:55] <ratrace> ,v containerd
1304 [14:54:56] <judd> Package: containerd on amd64 -- bullseye:
1.3.3~ds1-1; sid: 1.3.3~ds1-2
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1308 [14:55:44] <ratrace> drewolson: and if you're on "a
downstream based on debian distro" then the same factoid
applies to you, the one for muhaha. we cannot support all the
gazillion of variations every fool with a fork habit thinks of.
1309 [14:56:14] <joepublic> *every group who honors the debian
goal of being a base for other distros
1310 [14:56:48] <drewolson> i'm just on debian buster. i
added the apt source for containerd myself. but fair point,
understood.
1311 [14:57:24] <ratrace> the gazillion of third party packages
that aren't officially in debian pose the same problem.
1312 [14:57:26] <joepublic> what is your source for containerd?
1313 [14:57:53] <drewolson> joepublic: `deb [arch=amd64]
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1314 [14:58:05] <joepublic> okay, that looks reasonable
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1316 [15:00:10] <dob1> I would like something like watch but that
doesn't clear the screen on every update
1317 [15:00:19] <dob1> that It continues to append
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1319 [15:00:37] <colo-work> while :; do yourprogramgoeshere; sleep
2; done
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1321 [15:00:56] <colo-work> (in any bourne-compatible shell)
1322 [15:00:56] <joepublic> ^^^
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1325 [15:03:09] <dob1> I try thanks
1326 [15:03:15] <Fox> drewolson: was ok yesterday when I upgraded
mine, but looks like it disappeared from there repo now
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1327 [15:03:39] <drewolson> it's strange, i just upgraded my
laptop (same repo) like 15 minutes ago and all worked.
1328 [15:03:45] <drewolson> but when i moved to my sever, this
problem arose
1329 [15:04:11] <drewolson> (i'm taking it to #docker, thanks
folks)
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1332 [15:04:45] <joepublic> 'luck.
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1353 [15:17:43] <FullForce> Does anyone know how to change the
color of your name?
1354 [15:17:56] <FullForce> unable to find the right command
1355 [15:18:14] <Wulf> FullForce: names got a colour? where?
1356 [15:18:48] <FullForce> @Wulf on the right hand panel
1357 [15:18:57] <ayekat> right hand panel of what?
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1361 [15:19:39] <Wulf> FullForce: in your "Purple IRC"
client? No idea.
1362 [15:19:45] <ratrace> probably of their irc client, and they
think everyone are using and seeing the same thing
1363 [15:20:01] <FullForce> yes
1364 [15:20:10] <ratrace> we have no clue, obviously.
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1366 [15:20:13] <FullForce> it's penguin messanger
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1368 [15:20:26] <Wulf> FullForce: even if you do: Nobody else
would be able to see your colour. IRC has no colours.
1369 [15:20:34] <Wulf> (good, +c is set)
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1374 [15:21:05] <FullForce> +c
1375 [15:21:10] * ayekat was about to try colours in here to go
o'rlly? but d'oh
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1381 [15:23:36] <davis> hello debian people!
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1384 [15:24:55] <davis> If I wanted to talk to someone regarding
setting up a second wifi as an access point with debian, what
channel would be the best to talk?
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1389 [15:27:16] <Wulf> FullForce: I have no idea what your client
is doing. Please ask in #pidgin
1390 [15:27:21] <ratrace> davis: this channel is for debian
support, so you can describe your problem here.
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1393 [15:28:24] <Wulf> davis: you've got debian running on
your access point?
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1395 [15:29:21] <davis> ratrace: cool. I found a guide, it uses
network manager. What's odd is that it seems to require one a
dedicated ethernet connection since it can not bridge (is that the
term?) one wifi point with a second. When you click setup access
point for the second wifi connection, it says, this will disconnect
you from the existing wifi connection on the first wifi adapter.
1396 [15:29:43] <davis> Wulf: i am using a debian 10 laptop which
has a builtin wifi and a usb wifi adapter.
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1399 [15:30:57] <Wulf> davis: do you really want a bridge, or
would routing work too?
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1403 [15:32:23] <davis> Wulf: to be honest, I want to simply get a
ntp server setup for the wifi access point.
1404 [15:33:01] <davis> i am trying to mock a server for an
embedded device to connect to and test the embedded device wifi
driver stack.
1405 [15:33:09] <ratrace> davis: if NM can't do it (and I
wouldn't know if it can) you can always set it up the good old
fashioned way with hostapd, wpa_supplicant and some routing magick
1406 [15:33:18] <davis> so I don't really need a bridge of
traffice but it would be nice.
1407 [15:33:41] <ratrace> usually people are bridging eth with
wlan, hardly wlan to wlan, though it's of course technically
possible.
1408 [15:33:43] <davis> ok hostapd sounds like something to read.
i saw that listed when i was googling.
1409 [15:33:46] <Wulf> davis: I believe I once saw that bridging
wifi+ethernet isn't possible. But I never checked why not.
1410 [15:34:11] <davis> i thought wlan to wlan would be simpler.
sounds like its not.
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1412 [15:34:39] <ratrace> it's the same thing as wlan to eth.
entirely different question is whether NM supports it.
1413 [15:34:53] <davis> the goal is to manipulate the access point
to test how the embedded device handles a weak wifi access point.
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1417 [15:35:50] <davis> vary the laptops wifi signal, delay
network responses etc. While the entire time the laptop has a
reliable network wifi connection so we can access the laptop
remotely
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1420 [15:36:19] <davis> i'll read on hostapd. that is a good
start. many thanks.
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1428 [15:39:27] <petn-randall> !based on
1429 [15:39:27] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
1430 [15:39:31] <petn-randall> muhaha: ^^^
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1433 [15:40:22] <ratrace> petn-randall: which is usually the
reason people seek "based on" support here :)
1434 [15:40:40] <petn-randall> muhaha: It's because it's
easy to create a Debian based distribution, never fix any bugs, and
then just point your users into the #debian channel. In which case
we'd scratch our heads over bugs that have been long fixed in
Debian proper itself.
1435 [15:40:48] <petn-randall> Which is then a waste of time for
us, and for you.
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1439 [15:41:19] <ratrace> petn-randall: (oh lol I thought you were
"muhaha" laughing at that last sentence)
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1461 [15:46:40] <davis> greycat: thanks for helping me with my
wifi adapter setup and upgrade to debian 10 yesterday. My upgrade
went smoothly yesterday. I tried three different github repos for
the correct driver but once I had the driver and the kernel from
debian 10, the adapter worked flawlessly.
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1491 [15:55:50] <Iridos> dpkg, apparmor
1492 [15:55:50] <dpkg> AppArmor (Application Armor, formerly
SubDomain) provides pathname-based mandatory access control, a
file-system neutral alternative to <SELinux>. Previously
maintained by Novell and part of the Linux kernel since version
2.6.36.
replaced-url
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1497 [15:56:34] <Iridos> Nothing about that it's on by
default in buster?
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1499 [15:56:55] <ratrace> Iridos: that'd be in buster releaes
notes
1500 [15:57:25] <joepublic> and probably also in your dmesg
somewhere
1501 [15:57:52] <joepublic> or /var/log/kern/log if you want
timestamps in local time.
1502 [15:58:00] <joepublic> kern.log*
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1504 [15:59:53] <Iridos> hmm. it does. minimally
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1507 [16:00:14] <joepublic> sometimes less is more?
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1509 [16:01:30] <Iridos> not sure I want that
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1511 [16:02:23] <ratrace> Iridos: what info are you looking for
exactly?
1512 [16:02:32] <Iridos> just saw it in dmesg and that thunderbird
can't read a lot of files… like .mime.types and some
cache and some font stuff and mailcap
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1514 [16:02:53] <ratrace> Iridos: afaik thunderbird AA profile
isn't loaded by default?
1515 [16:02:59] <Iridos> and logging in has been hideously slow
and now I wonder if that's also caused by stuff not being able
to open some files
1516 [16:03:05] <ratrace> by default it comes with a very limited
set of policies
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1522 [16:06:45] <ratrace> Iridos: no, I'm wrong. the
thunderbird package itself installs it. Now that's unfortunate.
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1524 [16:07:43] <ws2k3> how can i search which version are
available for one package?
1525 [16:07:52] <greycat> apt-cache policy pkgname
1526 [16:08:06] <greycat> didn't I tell you this yesterday,
or the day before?
1527 [16:10:57] <joepublic> making you now the storage location of
this information.
1528 [16:10:59] <joepublic> sigh.
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1532 [16:11:49] <ratrace> Iridos: you can run aa-disable
/etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.thunderbird as root to disable the profile
(restart thunderbird)
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1534 [16:12:12] <ratrace> (I'd suggest you to fix it rather
than disable it, though)
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1538 [16:13:09] * greycat wonders what the apparmor.d/ file will be for
a program with literal dots in its name, like /usr/bin/vim.basic or
/usr/bin/python3.7
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1541 [16:14:13] <ratrace> greycat: the naming there is just a
convention, but it'd be eg. /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.vim.basic
1542 [16:14:42] <ratrace> like eg. usr.lib.GConf.2.gconfd-2
already exists in extra profiles
1543 [16:15:13] <greycat> and I guess they just pray there's
never a name collision between / and .
1544 [16:16:24] <ratrace> greycat: the filename is jsut
convention, there'd be no collision. the profile inside itself
names the paths it's responsible for
1545 [16:16:37] <greycat> ohhh
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1559 [16:28:34] <Iridos> ratrace, thanks… dunno if I have
the patience to figure out how apparmor works, though
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1565 [16:30:58] <Iridos> hm, seems that's not hard
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1567 [16:31:23] <Iridos> but not sure this makes much sense for
thunderbird…
1568 [16:31:28] <Iridos> # rw access to HOME is useful when
sending/receiving attachments
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1570 [16:31:31] <greycat> simply disabling it the way ratrace said
seems simple
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1572 [16:32:02] <Iridos> I checked if I want to "fix
it", as he suggested…
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1574 [16:32:34] <Iridos> and guess it's not because I
probably have read accesses for attachments all over the place
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1578 [16:33:00] <neilthereildeil> hi. how can i disable dhcpd from
serving on an interface?
1579 [16:33:23] <ratrace> Iridos: blanket access to entire ~/
would be against the purpose of a MAC, and indeed at least firefox
(the other, similar, mozilla product) profile does block access to
~/.ssh for instance. it's not as clear cut, and there are
abstractions etc..... point is, thunderbird is a vast suite that
should NOT install its AA profile automagically.
1580 [16:33:29] <ratrace> not even FF does.
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1583 [16:33:56] <Iridos> yeah, I disabled it, thanks
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1586 [16:34:28] <Iridos> I think that the pain of figuring out why
I can't attach a file or save a file is probably not worth it
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1588 [16:35:00] <ratrace> sounds like somethign that
should've been caught by QA and at least disabled in later
point releases.
1589 [16:35:13] <greycat> neilthereildeil: I thought you had to
explicitly *tell* it which interface to operate on
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1591 [16:35:59] <ratrace> Iridos: the bugs seem to have been filed
though:
replaced-url
1592 [16:36:05] <neilthereildeil> greycat: ya, but i want it on
all interfaces other than like 2 interfaces. and there will be new
bridge interfaces created during the lifetime of dhcpd
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1594 [16:36:24] <neilthereildeil> greycat: i wont know all the
interfaces at the time that i start dhcps
1595 [16:36:29] <neilthereildeil> dhcpd*
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1599 [16:38:08] <joshuaBPMan> Hey #debian...my wordpress install
is being weird...editing a page shows nothing.
1600 [16:38:14] <joshuaBPMan> This seems to be a very recent
development...
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1606 [16:39:23] <ws2k3> how can i search which version are
available for one package?
1607 [16:39:33] <greycat> *PLONK*(
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1610 [16:39:56] <neilthereildeil> greycat: heh its an interesting
usecase
1611 [16:40:04] <horseshoecrab> i think greycat is right
1612 [16:40:23] <horseshoecrab> you have to explicitly set what
interfaces you want in /etc/defaults/isc-dhcp-server
1613 [16:40:42] <horseshoecrab> which i assume means you cant
pre-configure interfaces that won't exist when the daemon
starts
1614 [16:41:10] <neilthereildeil> horseshoecrab: what if i create
new bridge interfaces after i start dhcpd, and i then want dhcpd to
serve on those new interfaces?
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1617 [16:41:37] <horseshoecrab> i assume you need to configure it
in /etc/defaults/isc-dhcp-server and then restart the daemon so it
re-reads its config
1618 [16:42:05] <neilthereildeil> is there a way to run multiple
instances of dhcpd and have them sync around the lease DB?
1619 [16:42:30] <horseshoecrab> not that i am aware of
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1621 [16:43:03] <nlpqda> jm ratrace Wulf .. thanks for your
answer, I'll try to apply what said and see if it works. brb
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1623 [16:43:12] <neilthereildeil> horseshoecrab: what i COULD do
is run dhcpd every time i create an interface, but it would need to
know what is already in the DB. if they use some sore of
interprocess communication betwen the instances, they could sync
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1625 [16:43:42] <horseshoecrab> i don't think i know enough
about what you are trying to do to comment on that.
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1629 [16:44:44] <horseshoecrab> i saw what greycat posted about
having to explicitly set the listening interface, remembered i run
isc-dhcp-server and had a look
1630 [16:44:47] <neilthereildeil> horseshoecrab: imagine i create
a new bridge interface every minute and want to serve dhcpd on it
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1633 [16:45:21] <horseshoecrab> couldnt find anything in the
config file but when i looked in /etc/default i saw that there was a
setting to set the interface to listen on, and i had indeed done so
for ipv4 but not ipv6 (as i use slaac for that)
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1635 [16:45:37] <ratrace> ws2k3: you really have trouble paying
attention to responses to you whole day now, huh? :)
1636 [16:45:49] <ws2k3> ratrace: is that so?
1637 [16:45:53] <ratrace> lsb-releaes, package version, all been
told and you keep re-asking
1638 [16:46:02] <horseshoecrab> 15:44:48 neilthereildeil |
horseshoecrab: imagine i create a new bridge interface every minute
and want to serve dhcpd on it
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1640 [16:46:24] <ws2k3> ratrace: haha no this is a New question :D
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1642 [16:46:28] <horseshoecrab> without wanting to poke fun at
what is probably a real world problem causing you some stress, do i
have to?
1643 [16:46:41] <horseshoecrab> id rather imagine something nice
like some kittens playing! :P
1644 [16:46:48] <ratrace> ws2k3: and greycat responded to you,
apt-cache policy
1645 [16:46:56] <ws2k3> what time?
1646 [16:47:21] <ws2k3> cause i scrolled back. and even searched
the history. didnt found a respondse. :( this is so weird. second
time i had this today wtf
1647 [16:47:24] <ratrace> ws2k3: the very same minute you asked,
there was no posting inbetween
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1651 [16:49:58] <gvth> Hi; can I install a testing system with the
stable installer without first having to install a stable system and
then upgrading to testing?
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1653 [16:50:23] <nkuttler> gvth: no
1654 [16:50:39] <nkuttler> just install the base system and
upgrade that
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1656 [16:50:57] <ratrace> or use the testing's ISO to begin
with.
1657 [16:51:13] <nkuttler> testing isos are for testing the
installer, not installing testing
1658 [16:51:21] <greycat> *if* the testing d-i is in a working
state, which you'd have to ask the testing support channel
about
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1660 [16:52:09] <joshuaBPMan> hmmm, I think I am noticing that
trying to edit a "page" in wordpress, is trying to let me
edit a "post"...Is a page a post?
1661 [16:52:11] <joshuaBPMan> idk
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1668 [16:54:26] <ratrace> joshuaBPMan: something ##wordpress folks
or related chans might know better
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1670 [16:54:48] <joshuaBPMan> thanks.
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1706 [17:12:50] <joepublic> a page is not a post.
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1725 [17:28:29] <neilthereildeil> also, when i configure dhcpd to
have multiple subnets, how do i associate those subnets with an
interface?
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1751 [17:47:09] <CaptainShell> Is there a way to install the
debian documentation on debian.org/doc locally?
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1753 [17:47:50] <PaddyF> yup
1754 [17:48:10] <PaddyF> most of it if not all is available as
*-doc package
1755 [17:48:45] <PaddyF> !doc
1756 [17:48:45] <dpkg> Before asking, please read the
documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but
that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches
to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to
RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that
"Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very,
good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me
about <finding docs>, <manuals>.
1757 [17:48:54] <PaddyF> !finding docs
1758 [17:48:54] <dpkg> Documentation is available in
/usr/share/doc/packagename/ (esp. the README.Debian files!), man
command, apropos command, info command, apt-cache search --
"-doc$". Some packages have a -doc package (perhaps in
non-free, ask me about <gcc-doc>, <gdb-doc>). Also ask
me about <list docs>, <debian system>, <debwiki>,
<search>.
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1760 [17:49:00] <PaddyF> uh
1761 [17:49:20] <PaddyF> ah! apt-cache search -- "-doc$"
:)
1762 [17:49:54] <qorg11> Why don't GCC have man pages?
1763 [17:50:06] <CaptainShell> Is the debian-handbook in there?
1764 [17:50:10] <greycat> !gcc-doc
1765 [17:50:10] <dpkg> The man pages for <gcc> are in
non-free, as they are released under the <GFDL> with invariant
sections, so they do not meet the <DFSG>. To install, ask me
about <non-free sources> and install the gcc-doc package. If
you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then install
the manpages-dev package.
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1767 [17:51:05] <greycat> ,info debian-handbook
1768 [17:51:06] <judd> Package debian-handbook (doc, optional) in
buster/amd64: reference book for Debian users and system
administrators. Version: 8.20180830; Size: 31245.6k; Installed:
169333k; Homepage:
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1770 [17:53:25] <davis> i used to be able to do some networking
commands on a debian box, way back when ip addr, ip set link, route
add,etc. I am using a debian 10 box now. i have ip commands but not
route. Is there a new tool for the route command?
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1772 [17:54:18] <jhutchins_wk> davis: ip has a route function.
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1775 [17:55:13] <PaddyF> is it save for desktop use to let network
manager handle the route stuff?
1776 [17:55:27] <davis> ahh, was route one of the tools used when
you did ifconfig and now that ifconfig is replaced with ip it does
route?
1777 [17:55:55] <greycat> that sounds right
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1779 [17:55:59] <CaptainShell> how do you make apt search or
dpkg-cache search only show installed packages?
1780 [17:56:05] <davis> ahh, cool. yes the man page has route.
many thanks
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1783 [17:56:38] <PaddyF> or better wording than "network
manager" is maybe "the installer"
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1785 [17:56:58] <davis> i'm guessing its not as simple as
simply adding ip before "route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask
255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1"
1786 [17:57:05] <PaddyF> i selected manual configuration but never
poked the route configuration
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1788 [17:59:14] <jhutchins_wk> PaddyF: If you change networks
it's easiest to manage connections with network manager. If you
don't, either the interfaces file or dhcp would be the way to
go.
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1792 [17:59:33] <jhutchins_wk> !interfaces
1793 [17:59:33] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file
/etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for
documentation, "zless
/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for
example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a
and ifdown -a respectively.
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1794 [18:00:16] <PaddyF> !static route
1795 [18:00:16] <dpkg> To add a static route in Debian, just put
"up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network
interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>.
1796 [18:00:21] <davis> hmm. it looks like it might be something
like this: ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0
1797 [18:01:23] <davis> not sure if I use for the device, the
interface which is the gateway or the interface for the new network?
trial and error test.
1798 [18:01:54] <enyc> davis: uerm that loosk like a route that
would be implied anyway by you setting a 192.168.1.* /24 ip address
on that interfage eth0 in first place
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1801 [18:02:34] <CaptainShell> You have a separate 192.168.1.1/24
network with a router on .1.1?
1802 [18:02:35] <davis> i was using eth0 from my old notes.
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1804 [18:03:11] <davis> in this case, I am trying to route from a
access point I am trying to create on a second wifi adapter to one
on my existing wifi.
1805 [18:03:17] <CaptainShell> davis: you can't have a route
with a gateway that's on the same network that you're
adding!
1806 [18:03:30] <jelly> CaptainShell: you don't, but aptitude
has a more complex search syntax you can express that in
1807 [18:03:39] <CaptainShell> ok thanks
1808 [18:03:54] <davis> im thinking this is the syntax. ip route
add 192.168.1.0/24 via 192.168.1.1 dev wlp4s0
1809 [18:04:14] <davis> wlp4s0 is my laptops built in adapter
which is connected to an existing wifi.
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1812 [18:04:32] <ratrace> davis: is wlp4s0 in that subnet?
1813 [18:04:37] <gh00p> So .. I see that static route response up
there, but adding lines to /etc/network/interfaces seems inelegant
to me. Is that really the right way?
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1815 [18:04:54] <davis> ratrace: i don't think so. it is in
the subnet provided by the router.
1816 [18:04:57] <CaptainShell> The router doesn't need to be
configured, only the clients do (except for dhcp server config).
1817 [18:05:11] <CaptainShell> davis: packet forwarding must be
enabled
1818 [18:05:12] <ratrace> davis: then you shouldn't be adding
that route
1819 [18:05:25] <davis> they use a 10.x.x.x subnet on the existing
wifi
1820 [18:05:36] <ratrace> davis: you probably don't even have
to add any routes. as each NIC receives an IP (statically or dhcp),
so is the route automatically created for the subnet
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1822 [18:05:58] <davis> i am setting up an access point on my
second wifi card
1823 [18:06:01] <ratrace> davis: now the only question is whether
you use dhcp or static addressing, and wheter you want to NAT or not
between wlan and eth
1824 [18:06:11] <davis> im not connecting it to the existing wifi
router.
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1826 [18:06:20] <CaptainShell> davis: your access point/router
must allow you to add routes for this to work. Netgear and Linksys
do. Dlink may not. it varies.
1827 [18:06:58] <ghoti> gh00p: I've always set static routes
in /etc/rc.local. Also inelegant, but it means I can do things that
aren't tied to a particular interfaces.
1828 [18:07:11] <davis> CaptainShell: i am trying to setup two
wifi adapters. one is a client to a router. the second will be my
own access point with a bridge to the first.
1829 [18:07:20] <CaptainShell> It seems like you're going at
this backward. The router actually doesn't need to be
configured with custom routes, it usually already knows about them.
The other devices do!
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1831 [18:07:40] <CaptainShell> davis: you can't bridge wifi
without 4way-mac AKA WDS support.
1832 [18:08:13] <davis> on second shot it sounds like this is the
right syntax
1833 [18:08:15] <davis> ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 via
192.168.1.1 dev wlxe84e066cc0ee
1834 [18:08:15] <gh00p> ghoti: thanks, that's what I do also,
I've been too lazy to research a better way. At least I know
what a shell script is doing.
1835 [18:08:30] <davis> wlxe...ee is the interface which is the
access point
1836 [18:08:37] <ratrace> can we at least ridicule you for abusing
rc.local like that? :)
1837 [18:08:50] <CaptainShell> and if you're bridging you
would be using something like br0 for ifname
1838 [18:08:50] <ghoti> ratrace: yes!
1839 [18:08:58] <ratrace> oh, goody! :)
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1841 [18:09:40] <CaptainShell> davis: you want wireless hosts to
connect to your computer, and your computer then connects to the
AP/router right?
1842 [18:09:43] <ghoti> I've got openvpn connections to a few
different places. What I SHOULD be doing us using OSPF to manage my
routes, but I'm not there yet.
1843 [18:10:04] <davis> hmm. neiter way worked
1844 [18:10:14] <CaptainShell> davis: do you want this to work?
1845 [18:10:40] <gh00p> ghoti: FRR is beautiful, if you're
familiar with Cisco IOS.
1846 [18:10:40] <davis> CaptainShell: I am have a laptop, with a
builtin wifi adapter which is connected to a wifi router. i'm
using it to talk to you.
1847 [18:10:50] <CaptainShell> If you want to experiment and do
trial and error that's fine too
1848 [18:10:56] <CaptainShell> IT's a great way to learn
1849 [18:11:27] <ghoti> beautiful? hah, haven't heard that
before. Yes, I've used FRR and will again. Just need to
rationalize allocating time to "fix" something that
already works.
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1851 [18:11:52] <davis> CaptainShell: on this same laptop, i have
a usb wifi adapter. I have followed a guide to setup hostap. the
guide uses older route commands. I'm trying to adjust for use
with ip based commands and not ifconfig style.
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1853 [18:12:15] <davis> err ip only and not ifconfig/route
1854 [18:12:21] <CaptainShell> davis: most likely that guide
contains incomplete information
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1856 [18:12:34] <davis> CaptainShell: agreed
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1861 [18:13:34] <CaptainShell> davis: you have to 1) be able to
modify the routing table on the AP/router device, 2) Don't do
that and set up NAT/Masquerade, or 3) Use wireless bridging (or even
repeater mode) which not all hardware supports.
1862 [18:13:51] <CaptainShell> there is no other way to do this
that I know of
1863 [18:14:24] <CaptainShell> I don't know which of these 3
methods the guide is having you do it
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1865 [18:15:20] <davis> CaptainShell: this is the notes I have so
far.
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1866 [18:15:58] <CaptainShell> davis: can you just run it in
ad-hoc mode for the time being and not do hostapd?
1867 [18:16:11] <CaptainShell> (most android devices won't do
ad-hoc though)
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1870 [18:17:25] <CaptainShell> davis: the guide you're
following is using NAT (masquerade)
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1874 [18:17:52] <CaptainShell> so you'll have double layer
nat which many people frown at, since uPNP and that sort of stuff
will be completely broken
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1879 [18:19:16] <davis> CaptainShell: yes, perhaps.
1880 [18:20:26] <CaptainShell> davis: if you're able to go on
your router/AP management interface and set up a route there it is
much better to do it that way than using NAT
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1882 [18:22:21] <ratrace> isn't it better to just get a wifi
repeater? those things are rather cheap
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1884 [18:23:20] <davis> hmm. its a pity, ip route del xxxx syntax
man page does not have an explicit example
1885 [18:23:31] <davis> all my attempts are failing.
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1891 [18:26:00] <CaptainShell> ratrace: they cut the speed down to
half since they store and forward on the same channel
1892 [18:26:29] <CaptainShell> Some Linux wireless drivers support
repeater mode too
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1894 [18:26:52] <CaptainShell> AT least I assume they use the same
channel
1895 [18:27:14] <ratrace> CaptainShell: can get a cheap wifi
router thingy then, those things are at least configurable in a way
where channels can be separated
1896 [18:27:40] <CaptainShell> They typically have to be wired to
the other AP
1897 [18:28:16] <CaptainShell> With 2 wifi cards, you can have two
non interfering networks where the computer is a router
1898 [18:28:37] <CaptainShell> You can set this up in like 5
commands (without dhcpd)
1899 [18:28:43] <ratrace> CaptainShell: not necessarily. I've
set up a few like that
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1901 [18:29:00] <CaptainShell> ratrace: does it have dual radios
and WDS mode?
1902 [18:29:16] <CaptainShell> That is essentially a wireless
bridge then
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1904 [18:29:51] <davis> ip route del 192.168.1.0/24 dev
wlxe84e066cc0ee
1905 [18:30:20] <ratrace> CaptainShell: I don't know. I do
know that I could set up different channel from the
"upstream" AP, and completely separate credentials and
security mode even
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1913 [18:33:08] <CaptainShell> davis: Here is the guide that davis
is following:
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1917 [18:33:57] <CaptainShell> They're adding a network route
with the gw on the same network
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1920 [18:34:09] <CaptainShell> which overlapps the one created
with ifconfig
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1923 [18:34:34] <CaptainShell> davis: that guide has at least one
huge mistake in it
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1926 [18:34:58] <CaptainShell> It's not worth your time
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1930 [18:35:48] <ratrace> yeah that route with gw is wrong
1931 [18:36:02] <davis> ahh, what should it be?
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1935 [18:36:26] <CaptainShell> davis: it shouldn't be
anything. THere is no need to change the routing table on the router
computer.
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1937 [18:36:52] <davis> so no need for the route statement?
1938 [18:37:11] <CaptainShell> there is no reason to follow a
guide so full of mistakes and uselless steps
1939 [18:37:29] <ratrace> well you do need a default route unless
that's already set up via dhcp
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1941 [18:37:41] <stellardens> Hello people
1942 [18:37:47] <CaptainShell> right in that guide they're
not using a dhcp client
1943 [18:37:47] <stellardens> Anyone here using Debian & xfce
?
1944 [18:37:52] <ratrace> !anyone
1945 [18:37:52] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1946 [18:37:56] <davis> hmm. well omitting the route entry and
doing the next step with dnsmasq fails.
1947 [18:37:57] <stellardens> Oh sorry
1948 [18:38:03] <CaptainShell> but then they have the static IP
config totally wrong
1949 [18:38:05] <stellardens> My light-locker isn't playing
nice with xfce4 on Debian
1950 [18:38:17] <stellardens> Whenever I'm resuming from
suspend, the screen is blank
1951 [18:38:26] <stellardens> and I have to open tty1, then tty8
to actually see the login prompt
1952 [18:38:36] <CaptainShell> stellardens: are you able to
ctrl+alt+F1 to console?
1953 [18:38:41] <stellardens> Are there any alternatives?
1954 [18:38:47] <stellardens> Yes I am CaptainShell
1955 [18:38:50] <CaptainShell> oh so you are
1956 [18:38:55] <stellardens> I can ctrl+alt+f8 to login prompt
too
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1958 [18:39:08] <CaptainShell> usually it's F7
1959 [18:39:11] <stellardens> But I don't want to be doing
that every time
1960 [18:39:13] <stellardens> Yes it's F7
1961 [18:39:16] <stellardens> or F8
1962 [18:39:23] <stellardens> Can't remember exactly, sorry.
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1965 [18:39:37] <stellardens> But is there a way to not be doing
that? It's not really a nice user experience
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1967 [18:39:53] <CaptainShell> davis: how about seeing if you can
add a route on your wifi router's admin page and start from
there
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1969 [18:40:00] <joepublic> uninstalling light-locker is a
workaround
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1971 [18:40:14] <CaptainShell> davis: I could go on stackexchange
and write an actually useful guide
1972 [18:41:16] <CaptainShell> It's frustrating that this
kind of erroneous click bait stuff is out there with instructions
that can't possibly work
1973 [18:41:35] <davis> CaptainShell: my friend. i'm trying
to setup this laptop as a router so I can remote into using existing
network. this adapter acesspoint i am setting up will be for testing
an embedded device.
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1976 [18:42:06] <davis> i intend to stress this acess point,
toggle it off and on, change tx power levels, etc.
1977 [18:42:47] <CaptainShell> fine but that AP will never have
Internet access or any layer 3 communications if you follow that
error filled guide
1978 [18:43:12] <davis> i don't care if it has internet
accesss. i just want it to connect to this laptop.
1979 [18:43:35] <davis> i will at most setup ntp on this laptop to
give the embedded device ntp access.
1980 [18:43:40] <CaptainShell> In that case, just iwconfig
<wlan0hateve> mode master
1981 [18:43:52] <CaptainShell> or follow hostapd instructions
1982 [18:44:24] <CaptainShell> you can set up a dhcp server on the
laptop or statically configure you embedded device
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1984 [18:44:54] <CaptainShell> not all wireless devices support
master (AP) mode
1985 [18:44:54] <fred``> did somthing change in recent kernels,
that its not possible anymore to hide PIDs by setting the known
hidepid-Parameters in fstab ?
1986 [18:45:01] <CaptainShell> the only option may be ad-hoc
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1988 [18:45:42] <ratrace> fred``: not that I know of. what kernel
version, and what's your fstab line?
1989 [18:46:00] <CaptainShell> Does anyone know how add or remove
a service from automatic start up on Debian? rc-update doesn't
exist ... I tried reading some documentation.
1990 [18:46:14] <greycat> CaptainShell: systemctl disable service
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1992 [18:46:28] <greycat> and you were thinking of update-rc.d
which was pre-systemd
1993 [18:46:44] <CaptainShell> thanks
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1997 [18:48:04] <fred``> ratrace: the line is 'proc /proc
proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0' and i'm sure it worked on the
very same systems for ages. kernel is a 5.5. the same entry works on
machines with 4.19
1998 [18:48:36] <davis> how do i tell if i have a dns server
running on this laptop?
1999 [18:48:43] <davis> ps auxw | grep bind?
2000 [18:49:26] <fred``> davis: netstat -an | grep 53
2001 [18:49:30] <greycat> davis: it can have other names. perhaps
something like "dig @127.0.0.1 A foo" and see if it times
out, or comes back with a response.
2002 [18:49:50] <ratrace> fred``: and what does mount | grep
"on /proc" say?
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2004 [18:50:19] <fred``> davis: or use 'netstat -tulpen |
grep 53' - then you can also see the provess-name which runs on
the port
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2008 [18:51:24] <fred``> ratrace: proc on /proc type proc
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,hidepid=2)
2009 [18:51:46] <ratrace> and despite that, you can still see
other UID's /proc entries?
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2011 [18:52:08] <fred``> oh fuck
2012 [18:52:11] <fred``> sry :/
2013 [18:52:14] <fred``> i messed smth up
2014 [18:52:23] <fred``> thats for asking these questions
2015 [18:52:27] <fred``> *thanks
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2017 [18:52:51] <fred``> i messed up dmesg with ps :/
2018 [18:53:05] <Strife89> I'm doing an apt full-upgrade, and
some packages are giving this message:
2019 [18:53:05] <Strife89> Err:228
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2020 [18:53:05] <Strife89> Could not open file
/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/libreoffice-math_1%3a6.1.5-3+deb10u5_amd64.deb
- open (13: Permission denied) [IP: 64.50.233.100 80]
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2022 [18:53:15] <davis> i added a port=0 to my dnsmasq and it
dnsmasq works.
2023 [18:53:16] <fred``> thx ratrace :/
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2027 [18:54:39] <joepublic> shouldn't it be fred$() nowadays?
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2030 [18:55:14] <ratrace> fred``: :)
2031 [18:55:21] <joepublic> shellcheck always complains at me when
it finds ``
2032 [18:55:22] <fred``> (hmpf)
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2036 [18:55:58] <greycat> `backticks` in shell are considered
legacy syntax, not recommended for any new scripts
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2038 [18:56:49] <joepublic> is there a particular syntactical or
semantic reason? just curious
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2044 [18:58:16] <greycat>
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2047 [18:58:27] <joepublic> thanks
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2050 [18:59:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
2051 [18:59:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> so...
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2053 [18:59:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> im trying to install debian 10 on
my netbook, fresh install, i followed this how to to make the usb
disk and it is not letting me boot it
2054 [18:59:46] <Eryn_1983_FL>
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2055 [18:59:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> it sees it usb sandisk but it
won't boot
2056 [19:00:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> it is efi i think
2057 [19:00:28] <petn-randall> Eryn_1983_FL: What did you use as
"sdx"?
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2059 [19:00:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> sdd
2060 [19:00:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> my usb disk
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2064 [19:02:05] <Mathisen> Eryn_1983_FL, what debian image did you
use ?
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2066 [19:02:29] <Mathisen> of my memory serves me right i think
the minimal one dont have efi suport
2067 [19:02:30] <Eryn_1983_FL>
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2068 [19:02:32] <Mathisen> if*
2069 [19:02:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> oh shit..
2070 [19:02:40] <Mathisen> yeah change image
2071 [19:02:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> wait thats amd64
2072 [19:02:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need i386
2073 [19:02:51] * Eryn_1983_FL bonks head
2074 [19:02:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok which one do i need?
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2076 [19:03:18] <greycat> depends on the machine, obviously
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2079 [19:03:50] <joepublic> what processor does it have?
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2081 [19:04:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> pbbt i dont know
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2083 [19:04:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> let me look..
2084 [19:04:19] <Strife89> What model netbook?
2085 [19:04:29] <joepublic> modern intel chips are
"amd64" architecture because amd invented 64-bit x86
extensions which intel later implemented as itanium imploded.
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2088 [19:05:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> x20st asus
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2090 [19:06:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> intel atom cpu z3745f 1.33 ghz
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2093 [19:06:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> 686 pae kernel
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2097 [19:08:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok i think these are the right ones
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2103 [19:10:51] <joepublic> The atom z3745 is 64-bit
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2105 [19:11:21] <GNU\colossus> it may be one of those infamous
devices with 32bit-only UEFI, I think...
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2107 [19:11:39] <petn-randall> yuck
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2116 [19:15:01] <Plasmoduck> Hello, I want to build a Linux dialog
terminal tool to select package mirror for Debian based systems.
Goals are; Instead of hand editing /etc/apt/sources.list I can type
'sudo mirror-select' or something similar and have an
interactive menu popup where I select my country, then
state/territory then the mirror I would like to use then hit save
and boom it automagically updates my /etc/apt/sources.list file. How
would I go about creating
2117 [19:15:01] <Plasmoduck> such a tool?
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2119 [19:15:34] <greycat> you don't write tools that edit
sources.list. you write tools that drop files in sources.list.d/ and
remove them.
2120 [19:15:48] <greycat> that's what the entire *.d/
paradigm is *for*
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2122 [19:16:07] <greycat> also,
2123 [19:16:09] <greycat> !deb.debian.org
2124 [19:16:09] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is
backed by international content delivery networks and for most
users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the
<sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt
queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older
apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs.
See
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2125 [19:16:11] <Plasmoduck> Okay well how could I get started?
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2127 [19:17:04] <GNU\colossus> if that's a training exercise,
I think it's a neat project :) I'd start looking into
established programming languages (Python, for instance) and their
bindings for the ncurses library (the de-facto standard for
interacting with terminal (emulators) to create TUIs)
2128 [19:17:35] <Plasmoduck> Yes I was thinking python and C
2129 [19:17:50] <ratrace> with python, use a higher level module
like dialog. ncurses is rather low level
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2131 [19:18:12] <GNU\colossus> that's fair, but it depends on
the scope of the training exercise
2132 [19:18:15] <ratrace> or simply steal the code that the
installer is doing already :)
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2134 [19:18:44] <GNU\colossus> (the result will not really be a
useful program; greycat already detailed the reasons why)
2135 [19:18:54] <GNU\colossus> yeah, I was thinking of d-i, too :)
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2137 [19:19:16] <greycat> d-i probably uses bash + whiptail, but I
haven't actually checked
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2139 [19:19:31] <greycat> or... more likely dash + whiptail
2140 [19:19:41] <ratrace> also, don't use C unless you really
have to (assignment?). if for whatever reason you want performance,
there be much safer languages that execute on the baremetal. Rust
ferinstance.
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2143 [19:21:16] <CaptainShell> Does rust protect against use after
free errors?
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2146 [19:22:13] <ratrace> not dealing with pointers manually is
among primary reasons rust exists
2147 [19:22:29] <ratrace> (where use after free is consequence of
fiddling with pointers manually)
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2149 [19:23:24] <greycat> the proposed project isn't one
where I would choose a lower-level or compiled language. it's
well-suited to any scripting language.
2150 [19:23:34] <ratrace> indeed.
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2164 [19:27:07] <CaptainShell> Did they name it "rust"
because of code rot, where they plan to continuously change the rust
languages as they've done with python 3 and PHP so that
projects that are no longer maintained will rust away?
2165 [19:28:21] <joepublic> bash + dialog could do a custom
sources.list-obliterator
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2168 [19:28:47] <greycat> yeah, bash + dialog would have been my
first choice if I had to do this
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2171 [19:29:02] <greycat> Tcl + Tk maybe second choice, but I
think they specified terminal
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2176 [19:30:53] <CaptainShell> ratrace: couldn't all use
after free security problems be avoided by having free() NULL the
pointer after freeing it?
2177 [19:31:06] <greycat> that's not how pointers work
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2179 [19:31:31] <greycat> your code has a variable named ptr with
the value 0x12345678 in it, and passing that value to free()
doesn't change this
2180 [19:31:41] <CaptainShell> safe_free(void **)
2181 [19:31:51] <jelly> also, this isn't ##programming
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2186 [19:33:15] <ratrace> CaptainShell: what greycat said. so
maybe with a macro or something but, that'd be pointless
anyway.
2187 [19:33:19] <jhutchins_wk> One could also look at other
distros that have a mirror-select program that determines the
fastest mirror.
2188 [19:33:46] <jelly> ,i netselect-apt
2189 [19:33:47] <judd> Package netselect-apt (net, optional) in
buster/amd64: speed tester for choosing a fast Debian mirror.
Version: 0.3.ds1-28; Size: 18.3k; Installed: 41k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2190 [19:33:48] <greycat> or you could just use deb.debian.org
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2193 [19:34:02] <jelly> ,i netselect
2194 [19:34:03] <judd> Package netselect (net, optional) in
buster/amd64: speed tester for choosing a fast network server.
Version: 0.3.ds1-28+b1; Size: 31.2k; Installed: 69k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2196 [19:34:49] <CaptainShell> ratrace: greycat I'm over in
##programming if you would like to respond you can. using
safe_free(void **) would allow it to NULL the pointer when it's
done freeing.
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2198 [19:35:32] <joepublic> "I am in the channel where this
is on-topic, but am deliberately cross-posting that stuff here"
??
2199 [19:35:48] <ratrace> CaptainShell: and that's a macro :)
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2203 [19:36:25] <jelly> joepublic: no, "we started this convo
here and an annoyed op was annoyed, so let's try moving it to a
better place"
2204 [19:36:47] <joepublic> much better description
2205 [19:36:50] <greycat> int dostuff(char *s) { char *tmp = s;
...; safe_free(s); c = *t; }
2206 [19:36:55] <greycat> oops, *tmp
2207 [19:37:18] <ratrace> boom, you just used after free :)
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2209 [19:37:43] <ratrace> (ignoring undeclared c :) )
2210 [19:37:57] <greycat> just assume it's somewhere in the
... part ;)
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2213 [19:39:30] <jelly> now fast forward to reference counting,
smart pointers, and ... well ##programming . (I don't even know
what smart pointers are, but I like to sound smart)
2214 [19:39:50] <greycat> pointers that graduated from high school
2215 [19:40:00] <ratrace> and got fat :)
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2217 [19:40:28] <ratrace> (if you didn't catch the
reference..... they're also known as fat pointers becaues of
metadata they contain)
2218 [19:40:28] <jelly> some are collecting garbage.
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2220 [19:40:47] <ratrace> some ARE garbage
2221 [19:40:53] <jelly> now now
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2223 [19:41:27] <ratrace> (well they become garbage after the
memory they point at is freed)
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2225 [19:41:46] <CaptainShell> jelly: they don't seem to want
to move to ##programming
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2232 [19:44:55] <krumelmonster> I can't upgrade my kernel:
"E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 141 gzip 1". boot has 236M
and there's 41M left. Is my boot partition too small?
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2237 [19:45:43] <CaptainShell> krumelmonster: you probably need to
copy your existing initramfs to a different place to make room for
the new one
2238 [19:45:52] <greycat> It does sound really small. Can you
delete an older kernel image that you're no longer using?
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2242 [19:47:01] <CaptainShell> greycat: you want to do
safe_free(&s) instead of free(s). Now s is set to a NULL pointer
that will segfault if it is reused.
2243 [19:47:24] <greycat> No, I'm done. I gave my
counter-example. If you didn't understand it, I have nothing
more to say on this subject.
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2251 [19:49:22] <krumelmonster> greycat: There's only the
currently running and the one I'm trying to install
2252 [19:49:58] <ratrace> CaptainShell: but safe_free() has no
idea about tmp, which copied the value of s. that's C,
that's direct value copy, not a reference.
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2255 [19:50:45] <greycat> (plus whoever called dostuff() also has
a copy of the pointer)
2256 [19:52:11] <ratrace> C is not unlike human-friendly ASM.
there's on magic going on behind its basic semantics, like
there's magic going on behind, say, python statements.
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2258 [19:52:25] <CaptainShell> ok you're right, I guess fat
pointers that can record that the pointer has been freed is the
answer.
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2261 [19:53:17] <jelly> krumelmonster: 190MB sounds too much use
for just one kernel; care to show "ls -la /boot" and
"du -x /boot" ?
2262 [19:53:35] <jelly> too much for just two kernels, too
2263 [19:53:47] <greycat> it's in the right ballpark for two
kernels, though
2264 [19:54:17] <jelly> I have 30MB initrds and 5MB kernels
2265 [19:54:30] <jelly> (peak values)
2266 [19:54:35] <ratrace> dunno, my /boot is 116M, two kernels -6
and -8
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2272 [19:54:58] <greycat> oh... yeah, right, I have two here, not
one
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2274 [19:55:10] <jelly> however, all our VMs at work do have their
/boot disk sized at 500MB up from previously 200MB
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2276 [19:55:44] <jelly> other distros change ABIs every week
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2279 [19:55:56] <dob1> ,v asciidoc-pdf
2280 [19:55:57] <judd> No package named 'asciidoc-pdf'
was found in amd64.
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2282 [19:56:03] <dob1> ,v ruby-asciidoc-pdf
2283 [19:56:04] <judd> No package named
'ruby-asciidoc-pdf' was found in amd64.
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2289 [19:57:55] <jelly> /dev/md3 194177 125184 58757 69% /boot #
with 3 kernels inside, two stretch, one stretch-backports
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2291 [19:58:34] <greycat> mine is 90M used with two buster kernels
2292 [20:00:29] <krumelmonster> jelly:
replaced-url
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2294 [20:01:02] <krumelmonster> jelly: This is du -xs /boot/*
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2297 [20:01:42] <jelly> krumelmonster: that's not what I
asked for, but if you have tools that basically generate 3 different
initrd images for each kernel, then yeah your /boot is too small
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2300 [20:02:32] <Strife89> Trying to fix a broken package, this is
what apt reports
replaced-url
2301 [20:03:28] <jelly> Strife89: apt reported more than that, but
you [snip]d it?
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2303 [20:03:34] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
2304 [20:03:34] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose
your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete
output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used)
2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL
packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache
policy". Use
replaced-url
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2306 [20:03:49] <stellardens> If anyone happens to be using XFCE
too, is it possible to not have greyed out icons on alt tabbing?
(minimized windows are greyed out)
2307 [20:03:55] <stellardens> Have it act more like windows
2308 [20:03:59] <Strife89> jelly: It was a blob about "the
following packages were automatically installed, but can be
removed"
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2312 [20:05:47] <Strife89> Full paste:
replaced-url
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2315 [20:06:26] <Strife89>
replaced-url
2316 [20:06:26] <ratrace> sounds like a frankendebian went on
there
2317 [20:06:41] <krumelmonster> jelly: ls -la /boot
replaced-url
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2319 [20:07:04] <Strife89> It used to be on testing, I've
been trying to get it on buster
2320 [20:07:39] <greycat> ... what
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2322 [20:08:38] <Strife89> I think a while before buster's
release, I edited sources.list to track buster instead of testing
2323 [20:08:56] <Strife89> annnnnd I've put off upgrading
packages until today.
2324 [20:08:56] <jelly> krumelmonster: note that the *nbi.img* are
older than initrd.img*; it's possibly safe to move them away to
boot _this_ system, but I don't know how LTSP works and whether
eg. they're used for other systems and stored here?
2325 [20:09:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1552
2326 [20:09:05] <greycat> are you *certain* you never installing
anything on it from 'testing' after buster's release
last summer?
2327 [20:09:19] <Strife89> Not certain, unfortunately
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2330 [20:09:50] <jhutchins_wk> Strife89: fsck might be in order.
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2332 [20:10:07] <jelly> Strife89: at the very least, show
apt-cache policy for all the packages shipping
/usr/share/doc/libpangocairo-1.0-0/changelog.gz
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2334 [20:10:30] <jelly> Strife89: but best provide all the
comprehensive info that dpkg-bot asked for
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2337 [20:11:05] <jelly> Strife89: "apt-cache policy pkgname1
pkgname2 ..."
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2339 [20:11:35] <jelly> I'll give you that first E: is weird,
but let's not jump ahead with fsck
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2345 [20:13:55] <jelly> ,kernels
2346 [20:13:56] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-4-686-pae
(5.4.19-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); buster-backports:
5.4.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.4.8-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686
(4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1);
jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
2347 [20:13:57] <judd> (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
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2350 [20:14:19] <Strife89>
replaced-url
2351 [20:15:19] <stellardens> Anyone using xfce & accessing
SMB shares?
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2353 [20:15:28] <stellardens> I have no luck with thunar so farđ
2354 [20:15:30] <stellardens> so far*
2355 [20:15:34] <jelly> Strife89: if the amd64 build really the
only package listed in "dpkg -S
/usr/share/doc/libpangocairo-1.0-0/changelog.gz" ?
2356 [20:15:40] <krumelmonster> jelly: I'll remove them. But
maybe I'd be on the safe side to like rebuild the boot
partition afterwards (and see if they come back)? Would there be
anything else to do besides update-grub?
2357 [20:15:54] <Strife89> Output of "apt-cache policy"
replaced-url
2358 [20:16:37] <greycat> do those
replaced-url
2359 [20:16:46] <greycat> curl: (60) SSL certificate problem:
unable to get local issuer certificate
2360 [20:16:55] <Akuw> GREYCAT: HI
2361 [20:16:57] <jelly> Strife89: show "apt-cache policy
libpangocairo-1.0-0:amd64 libpangocairo-1.0-0:i386" (and if
there are more packages listed in dpkg -S, put them all there)
2362 [20:17:03] <Akuw> greycat: hi
2363 [20:17:06] <Akuw> sorry for caps
2364 [20:17:08] <krumelmonster> Or maybe I could just delete all
the contents of /boot and rebuild altogether?
2365 [20:17:27] <ratrace> greycat: yeah, works fine here
2366 [20:17:38] <Akuw> i have a binary file and i need to find all
lines with this pattern "IF / IF"
2367 [20:17:40] <jelly> krumelmonster: I didn't say remove,
but "move away"; no idea whether something might need them
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2369 [20:17:47] <greycat> I get SSL errors from curl, lynx, and
w3m.
2370 [20:18:01] <Akuw> i test with "grep -ali -- string
file"
2371 [20:18:03] <ratrace> greycat: ca-certificates installed?
2372 [20:18:10] <Akuw> but i need to count all lines
2373 [20:18:11] <greycat> ii ca-certificates 20190110 all Common
CA certificates
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2375 [20:18:25] <Strife89> jelly:
replaced-url
2376 [20:18:25] <jhutchins_wk> Does kerbos require working RDNS?
2377 [20:18:30] <jelly> greycat: wget from stretch wfm
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2379 [20:18:56] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: I suspect kerberos probably
does
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2381 [20:19:24] <greycat>
replaced-url
2382 [20:19:26] <jelly> if you meant an OS for Kerbal people, I
want to see it
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2385 [20:20:02] <jelly> greycat: resolved to 5.39.93.71 here
2386 [20:20:19] <greycat> O_o
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2388 [20:20:45] <greycat> Yup, 5.x from home. 146.x from work.
2389 [20:20:55] <jelly> and get a NXDOMAIN for "dig
termbin.com AAAA"
2390 [20:21:01] <dbristow> How can I tell what minor revision I
have? lsb_release -a used to say (for example) 10.3, but it no
longer does.
2391 [20:21:08] <jelly> greycat: does your work do MITM
2392 [20:21:16] <ratrace> 5.39.93.71 here too
2393 [20:21:44] <greycat> Yes, they told me I am supposed to
forward DNS through their servers.
2394 [20:21:59] <greycat> let's see what
replaced-url
2395 [20:22:10] <greycat> "Website blocked by Cisco
Umbrella"
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2397 [20:22:16] <Strife89> Sorry about the inconvenience :(
2398 [20:22:26] <jelly> whois "146.112.61.107" says
"OpenDNS", not Cloudflare
2399 [20:22:46] <jelly> !pal greycat
2400 [20:22:46] * dpkg points at greycat and laughs
2401 [20:22:51] <ratrace> they broke the intertubes.
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2403 [20:23:35] <Strife89> I need a better terminal emulator on my
laptop, it won't let me scroll up for plain copy-pasting
2404 [20:23:54] <Strife89> (My desktop is the machine I'm
trying to troubleshoot, so I'm ssh'd into it)
2405 [20:24:12] <Strife89> So that's why I'm spitting it
to termbin instead
2406 [20:24:28] <jelly> Strife89: weird. I'd "dpkg
--purge --force-depends *:i386 libpangocairo-1.0-0:amd64"
"rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libpangocairo-1.0-0*deb" and
let a second "apt-get -f install" reinstall them
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2408 [20:24:44] <jelly> Strife89: wait
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2411 [20:25:11] <jelly> Strife89: "dpkg --purge
--force-depends libpangocairo-1.0-0:i386
libpangocairo-1.0-0:amd64" would be the first command
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2413 [20:25:28] <krumelmonster> All the files will be re-created
by update-initramfs but I don't want or need them (they're
obviously not needed for PXE/ltsp because all netboot clients are
i386 anyways).
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2417 [20:26:40] <jelly> krumelmonster: update-initramfs will not
normally create those other two images, some additional software did
that
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2419 [20:26:55] <jelly> it's possible the additional software
has a hook in update-initramfs.
2420 [20:27:13] <Strife89> jelly: This is all I managed to
copy-paste:
replaced-url
2421 [20:27:17] <ratrace> FFF #334 new poison cloud. yummy.
2422 [20:27:23] <ratrace> oops wrong chan, sorry.
2423 [20:27:35] <ghydra> i’m trying to install QT5 on
debian, can I just get gt5-default from apt-get? if I do that where
is then the path for QT?
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2425 [20:27:41] <krumelmonster> Well ok, dpkg did when I again
tried the kernel update
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2428 [20:29:54] <dbristow> Ahh, /etc/debian_version
2429 [20:30:17] <Strife89> I really don't want to reinstall -
it will take ages to grab all the packages I want on my DSL service
- but I'm starting to think that would be easier in the long
run.
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2433 [20:31:09] <Strife89> I managed to f*** up my graphics driver
somehow; I just looked at my desktop's monitor and see that
Cinnamon is running in software mode at 640x480
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2438 [20:32:54] <davis> hmm. i am still trying ot setup a second
interface as a wifi access point.
2439 [20:33:01] <davis> here is a more complete pastebin
2440 [20:33:02] <davis>
replaced-url
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2464 [20:43:40] <Strife89> Oh boy.
replaced-url
2465 [20:44:07] <Strife89> Of course I managed to break the
package that seemingly everything with a GUI depends on
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2468 [20:46:23] <Strife89> (Turns out that libpangocairo is for
text rendering/layout)
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2483 [20:55:28] <Strife89> Fixed that part! The solution that
worked for me was to remove the downloaded libpango* archives (in
/var/cache/apt/archives) and rerun apt --fix-broken install.
2484 [20:56:02] <Strife89> *Almost* everything seems fixed now,
except for libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64 and :i386
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2488 [20:57:12] <Organizm> how do i trim a log file
2489 [20:57:17] <Strife89> And for those, I get a different
message:
replaced-url
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2492 [20:57:56] <Strife89> Er,
replaced-url
2493 [20:59:01] <Organizm> can i use truncate
2494 [20:59:04] <Organizm> ?
2495 [20:59:10] <Organizm> i want to remove the old shit
2496 [20:59:20] <greycat> Organizm: what *exactly* do you want to
do to this file?
2497 [20:59:26] <Organizm> just save the last few lines
2498 [20:59:46] <greycat> tail -n 100 yourfile > newfile
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2500 [21:00:01] <Organizm> no the orig
2501 [21:00:07] <greycat> but I suspect you aren't saying
everyything you want
2502 [21:00:13] <Organizm> dont watn to make new file
2503 [21:00:17] <Organizm> dont suspect
2504 [21:00:22] <Organizm> just help lol
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2506 [21:00:56] <dbristow> Organizm: Do you want to blow away the
current contents of the log file without having to stop/start the
process that's doing the log? You can use >log_file_name,
that will truncate the file to 0 length
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2508 [21:01:00] <greycat> Do you want me to GUESS what you want,
and put words in your mouth, and wait for you to say "yes,
that's what I mean", then when I answer that strawman
problem, you change your mind and say "no, that's not
it"?
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2510 [21:01:21] <greycat> Apparently he's not content to nuke
the entire file.
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2513 [21:01:42] <Organizm> just get rid of the stuff in the
begining
2514 [21:01:45] <Organizm> since its a log file
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2516 [21:01:52] <Organizm> its 20 gigs
2517 [21:01:53] <Organizm> lol
2518 [21:01:59] <Organizm> some idiot did not rotate it
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2521 [21:02:26] <jhutchins_wk> Organizm: There is a program called
logrotate that can handle that automatically on a scheduled basis.
2522 [21:02:34] <greycat> For the strawman problem that goes
"I want to keep only the last 100 lines of the current log
file, nuking the rest of the content, and then let the daemon resume
writing to it", the first step is the one I already gave, and
the second is to stop the daemon, and the third is to replace the
old file with the new file, and the last step is to restart the
daemon.
2523 [21:02:35] <Organizm> omg i know that
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2525 [21:02:56] <greycat> Or, reverse the "stop" and
"tail -n 100" steps.
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2527 [21:03:43] <jhutchins_wk> Copy the portion you want to a
temporary file, truncate it with >, copy the temp data back.
2528 [21:03:44] <tdn> I have added a USB wifi adapter to my
server. Now, how do I actually make it available as a iw device on
the server (e.g. wlan0) ? Note, this is a machine that is connected
to network via ethernet and it should stay like that. I just want
the iw card to periodically scan for wifis.
2529 [21:04:09] <greycat> "copy the temp data back"
won't work in most cases; you have to signal the daemon to
reopen the file, or restart the daemon entirely
2530 [21:04:34] <greycat> if the daemon is running while you make
the copy, and happens to write during your copy operation,
there's no telling what happens
2531 [21:04:39] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: The file's never
closed, and couldn't you just cat the temp file back to >
logfile?
2532 [21:04:58] <greycat> stop the daemon, tail -n 100, mv,
restart the daemon
2533 [21:05:03] <Organizm> this file is not in use btw
2534 [21:05:28] <greycat> OK, then tail -n 100 oldfile >
newfile && mv newfile oldfile
2535 [21:05:53] <jhutchins_wk> Or vi.
2536 [21:05:59] <greycat> and when you realize later "oh
crap, it was actually in use and opened and being written to",
well, you were warned. repeatedly.
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2539 [21:07:31] <Organizm> but i dont want to make another file
2540 [21:07:36] <greycat> *plonk*
2541 [21:07:40] <greycat> NEXT!
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2543 [21:07:49] <Organizm> no u suk
2544 [21:07:53] <Organizm> :O
2545 [21:08:20] <Organizm> dont mess w Organizm
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2551 [21:10:46] <Strife89> fml
replaced-url
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2566 [21:18:34] <Strife89> It turns out that apt doesn't
complain about removing the 64-bit version
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2584 [21:29:13] <somiaj> Strife89: intersting, unsure why apt
won't just remove the broken packages.
2585 [21:29:46] <somiaj> ,v libgl1-mesa-glx
2586 [21:29:47] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 --
jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.3.2-1+deb8u2; stretch:
13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; buster:
18.3.6-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 19.3.3-1; sid: 19.3.3-1; experimental:
20.0.0~rc3-1
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2592 [21:31:49] <somiaj> Strife89: it appears the problem is due
to having an older version of libgl1-mesa-glx on your system (18.3.2
instead of 18.3.4) from when you were running testing before buster
stabalized. You may want to go make sure you don't have any
other issues with your system due to things not being fully upgraded
to buster's vesion.
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2596 [21:33:19] <Strife89> somiaj: Well, after I removed the
64-bit libgl1-mesa-glx, I was able to do a dist-upgrade to get
caught up. As best as I can tell, I'm fully on buster now.
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2602 [21:34:58] <somiaj> Oh good, yea some packages are very
strict depends (= exact version), so having a mix of packages from
various stages of the testing cycle can cause strange issues with
apt's logic
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2607 [21:38:56] <jelly> aptitude can sometimes be coerced to
return the package set to a sane state when apt or apt-get fails
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2612 [21:43:38] <dbristow> jelly: So does using apt-get
dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade, IIRC
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2621 [21:48:36] <de-facto> what is the exact format for
dpkg-reconfigure input?
2622 [21:48:44] <de-facto> ...from scripts
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2627 [21:50:11] <de-facto> i meand debconf-set-selections of
course
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2635 [21:52:10] <SnoopJeDi> My company is considering hosting our
own apt repository, and we want to know if we can do so in a way
that gives us granular control over access to packages, i.e.
Customer X can see packages A,B, Customer Y can see B,C, and
Developer Z can see everything. Information on hosting a repository
seems hard to come by, and I can't find information about this
specific feature, anybody have a pointer about where to
2636 [21:52:12] <SnoopJeDi> look?
2637 [21:52:49] <greycat> I... rather doubt you will find much
support for keeping parts of a repository secret.
2638 [21:53:03] <greycat> !dfsg
2639 [21:53:03] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
replaced-url
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2641 [21:53:20] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: You could use aptly to manage
the repo and a regular web server to serve it and implement access
control.
2642 [21:53:23] <SnoopJeDi> I want to know if it's possible
at all, I'm not looking for support in particular. It seems
like maybe apt is more agnostic about how things are being served
than I'd thought.
2643 [21:53:26] <jhutchins_wk> SnoopJeDi: Perhaps split them out
into separate repositories with ACL.
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2645 [21:53:38] <SnoopJeDi> jhutchins_wk, pretty clumsy solution
for any nontrivial number of customers
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2648 [21:53:53] <SnoopJeDi> Wulf, how does that work, the ACLs are
just associated with each file?
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2650 [21:54:03] <jelly> SnoopJeDi: it is much easier to create
separate repos for each customer
2651 [21:54:11] <SnoopJeDi> jelly, I didn't say it was hard,
I said it was clumsy
2652 [21:54:31] <SnoopJeDi> Unless there's a good way to do
this that doesn't involve it eating up part of someone's
job.
2653 [21:54:33] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: better to create separate repos.
But same thing here, your web server controls who can access what.
2654 [21:54:40] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: an apt repo ist just a bunch of
files.
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2656 [21:55:14] <SnoopJeDi> Wulf, gotcha, that's about all I
needed to know then, I think. It might be that we just shove the
appropriate repo into a bucket, if we go the separate-repositories
route.
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2658 [21:55:33] <SnoopJeDi> Currently just gathering what options
are out there, apt isn't the only solution we're
considering
2659 [21:55:52] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: consider not restricting access
to the packages.
2660 [21:55:55] <jelly> SnoopJeDi: and you probably do not want
other customers to see repo indexes with packages their apt
can't actually download
2661 [21:56:16] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: I need to work with one such apt
repo where I have to specify a "secret" http user agent.
That creates lots of problems.
2662 [21:56:23] <jelly> SnoopJeDi: sharing the same repo would
mean sharing the same Packages file.
2663 [21:56:33] <SnoopJeDi> jelly, fair
2664 [21:56:35] <jelly> thus: separate repos.
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2666 [21:57:09] <jelly> those very separate repos could use a
single pool structure if you wanted to
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2668 [21:58:02] <SnoopJeDi> That might be useful to us
2669 [21:58:32] <SnoopJeDi> Because then we could have an
internal-use repo with unrestricted access to the entire pool, but
give every deliverable a suitable scope
2670 [21:59:15] <SnoopJeDi> Wulf, thanks for the personal
perspective. I'm not crazy about doing this with an auth
header, but it's not optional to make it unrestricted I'm
afraid.
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2672 [21:59:53] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: If you really need to do it,
restrict this by ip address or with a secret part in the URL path
2673 [21:59:55] <SnoopJeDi> We really do have the exact problem I
described. So maybe separate repos isn't as clumsy as my first
impression, if there's a reliable way to do this semi-automated
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2675 [22:00:18] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: aptly can be automated.
2676 [22:00:20] <SnoopJeDi> Wulf, IP is a nonstarter too probably.
Not sure about embedding a token in the URL, that seems like a
really bad idea
2677 [22:00:26] <SnoopJeDi> Yea, I'm going to go have a look
at aptly, thanks.
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2680 [22:01:06] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: auth header is another bad idea.
Consider that your customers might use software like apt-cacher-ng,
aptly, debmirror, etc.
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2683 [22:01:42] <SnoopJeDi> It's not likely, but it's
good to know, and aptly does look quite fully-featured.
2684 [22:01:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> whelp i got it all working now
peeps thanks
2685 [22:02:00] <SnoopJeDi> Wulf, a token in the URL would
basically be leaking their license information, which wouldn't
fit the requirement
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2687 [22:02:24] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: how so?!
2688 [22:02:38] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: and how would an auth header not
leak it?
2689 [22:03:11] <SnoopJeDi> hmm wait, am I right about that
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2691 [22:03:37] <SnoopJeDi> Is the destination URL encrypted in an
SSL exchange?
2692 [22:03:47] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: sure
2693 [22:03:53] <Wulf> the hostname is not (yet)
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2695 [22:03:56] <SnoopJeDi> Ah okay, so no danger of sniffing it
off the wire then.
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2697 [22:04:05] <SnoopJeDi> The hostname is fine, it's the
secret token itself.
2698 [22:04:14] <SnoopJeDi> And any information about the package
blah blah.
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2700 [22:04:33] <Thedarkb> I just installed xfce4 from an LXDE
installation and it broke something.
2701 [22:04:36] <somiaj> dbristow: this is different
aptitude's logic is not the same as apt, and aptitude can
sometimes resolve things that apt cannot (the other way also
happens, but not nearly as often).
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2704 [22:04:56] <dbristow> somiaj: Ahh.
2705 [22:04:58] <Thedarkb> When I log into XFCE, it outputs an
error saying that it can't create a failsafe session.
2706 [22:05:04] <Thedarkb> When I log into LXDE, it doesn't
start openbox.
2707 [22:05:09] <SnoopJeDi> Wulf, it still does give me the
heeby-jeebies to put it in the URL, but I guess this is not
substantially different than ?token=SECRET
2708 [22:05:09] <Thedarkb> Any ideas?
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2710 [22:05:23] <Thedarkb> I've also been having issues with
xdg
2711 [22:06:24] <jhutchins_wk> Thedarkb: What DM are you using?
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2713 [22:06:32] <Thedarkb> lightdm
2714 [22:06:37] <Thedarkb> I tried XDM as well, same problems.
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2721 [22:09:00] <SnoopJeDi> oh wow, aptly even serves for you,
very nice :)
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2728 [22:09:31] <Thedarkb> My problem with xdg is that it opens
everything in pcmanfm, regardless of mime type or what I've set
it to.
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2731 [22:10:38] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: it can do that. But I still
suggest to use a real web server.
2732 [22:10:42] <Thedarkb> Buster has not treated me as well as
Stretch did.
2733 [22:10:45] <jelly> Wulf: authentication is not a problem with
apt. I've used commercial repos with login and password.
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2735 [22:10:56] <SnoopJeDi> Wulf, in prod, of course.
2736 [22:10:59] <Wulf> jelly: can aptly send auth headers?
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2739 [22:11:11] <jelly> I have no idea about aptly.
2740 [22:11:29] <jelly> ,i aptly
2741 [22:11:30] <judd> Package aptly (utils, optional) in
buster/amd64: Swiss army knife for Debian repository management -
main package. Version: 1.3.0+ds1-2.2~deb10u1; Size: 4593.4k;
Installed: 19022k; Homepage:
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2742 [22:11:32] <SnoopJeDi> Do either of them support key-based
authentication, perchance?
2743 [22:11:38] <Wulf> jelly: I don't like letting my
machines access anything on the internet.
2744 [22:12:12] <Thedarkb> Debian Stretch was flawless but Buster
has just hit me with issue after issue.
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2747 [22:12:26] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: "them"?
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2751 [22:13:08] <SnoopJeDi> Wulf, apt or aptly
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2753 [22:13:22] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: unlikely / only with horrible
workarounds.
2754 [22:13:29] <SnoopJeDi> mm
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2757 [22:14:28] <somiaj> wonder if having the proxy do the work of
redirecting the user to the correct repo (then just have multiple
repos behind the proxy)
2758 [22:14:32] <SnoopJeDi> I'm reasonably sure we want this
secure at the server level, because even the existence of a package
associated with such-and-such customer could leak proprietary
information. Key-based seems like it'd be very ergonomic for
them.
2759 [22:14:39] <SnoopJeDi> somiaj, yea that's my thought as
well
2760 [22:14:50] <SnoopJeDi> But at that point, I kick the question
to the web team :)
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2763 [22:15:14] <Thedarkb> Starting xfce via dbus-launch does
work, but if I start it from the DM, it gives me a message saying
that it couldn't create a failsafe session.
2764 [22:15:28] <joepublic> it would help prevent repetitive
mental stress injury?
2765 [22:15:29] <Wulf> SnoopJeDi: token inside URL will work best
for all customers.
2766 [22:15:35] <SnoopJeDi> their deploy-fu is much stronger than
mine, as I said, I'm just gathering information for the next
meeting, and trying to do a good job so we don't land on
AppImage, Docker, or DIY
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2768 [22:15:55] <SnoopJeDi> Wulf, I'll be sure to note it as
one of the possibilities, yup
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2799 [22:29:30] <Thedarkb> It's weird that this package issue
wasn't caught in Sid.
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2807 [22:34:14] <tdn> How do I get this specific package available
in debian 9 without addding too many other non free sources?
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2809 [22:35:24] <greycat> are you *running* stretch? if so, just
add " contrib non-free" to your sources, and then
don't install any other non-free things.
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2811 [22:35:38] <tdn> greycat, I am running debian 9
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2813 [22:35:43] <greycat> (that's stretch)
2814 [22:35:45] <tdn> That is stretch, right?
2815 [22:35:47] <tdn> Yeah
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2817 [22:36:04] <tdn> greycat, ok, so all non-free packages are
suffixed with that name?
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2819 [22:36:25] <greycat> you should keep the contrib and non-free
sections active so you can get updates to the firmware, whenever any
are made available (which on an old release like stretch might not
happen, but...)
2820 [22:36:30] <joepublic> spoiler: that's a no.
2821 [22:37:01] <tdn> greycat, I should add contrib non-free to
security sources as well, right?
2822 [22:37:05] <greycat> yes
2823 [22:38:29] <tdn> greycat, cool. Worked. Thanks
2824 [22:38:54] <Thedarkb> Anyone have any ideas why installing
XFCE broke everything?
2825 [22:40:19] <joepublic> your conclusions - seriously defective
package that should have been caught in sid, XFCE broke everything -
are not conducive to troubleshooting. Just a friendly fyi.
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2829 [22:41:33] <Thedarkb> I mean, I can start it via dbus-launch.
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2832 [22:42:36] <Thedarkb> I tried chown -R'ing my home
directory back to my user and group, that didn't work.
2833 [22:42:46] <greycat> ...
2834 [22:42:57] <Thedarkb> I can still use LXDE by starting
Openbox through the run prompt.
2835 [22:42:58] <greycat> your $HOME had incorrect ownership!?
2836 [22:43:10] <Thedarkb> I was just covering my bases.
2837 [22:43:46] <Thedarkb> I think it might be xconfd not
running,.
2838 [22:43:49] <greycat> so instead of saying what the actual
problem is, you're going to try a bunch of random pointless
"solutions" to other people's problems that you
happened to stumble across
2839 [22:44:42] <Thedarkb> I don't know what the actual
problem is.
2840 [22:44:44] <joepublic> I suppose that the severely broken
xfce hunted down your home directory and changed its ownership.
2841 [22:44:55] <de-facto> how would i find out why
dpkg-reconfigure slapd uses a full cpu core for minutes without
returning?
2842 [22:45:06] <greycat> "After I installed xfce, I got this
error ______"
2843 [22:45:08] <Thedarkb> I did have reason to believe that there
were permission problems in my home, I FTP'd a few config files
into it from my backup.
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2845 [22:45:22] <Thedarkb> "Failed to create failsafe
session"
2846 [22:45:22] <greycat> "After I installed xfce, I logged
out and back in, and I got this error ______
2847 [22:45:25] <Thedarkb> I said that further back.
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2850 [22:47:18] <Thedarkb> I thought it might be xconfd because it
does work from dbus-launch, I just need to figure out how to have
that running when I log in from lightdm.
2851 [22:47:45] <Thedarkb> Yup, it's definitely not running
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2853 [22:48:37] <Thedarkb> Ooh, there's an entry on the bug
mailing list for this
2854 [22:49:37] <Thedarkb> I'll see you people in a minute,
I'm going to logout and try XFCE again.
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2870 [22:56:41] <Thedarkb> Okay, I'm in XFCE now.
2871 [22:56:49] <Thedarkb> Problem: Still no openbox.
2872 [22:56:56] <Thedarkb> I can start it from a terminal though.
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2874 [22:57:14] <Thedarkb> I've got terminal bound to
ctrl+shift+t, so I can still open then.
2875 [22:57:18] <Thedarkb> them*
2876 [22:57:31] <Thedarkb> I'm also not getting a panel.
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2878 [22:58:14] <Thedarkb> I also can't open .desktops on my
desktop.
2879 [22:58:23] <Thedarkb> I just get The name
org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files
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2884 [22:59:57] <greycat> what "bug mailing list" entry
did you find, and what was the fix for the first problem?
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2886 [23:00:04] <empresses> nftables.conf is loaded as expected at
boot but the "flush ruleset" doesn't seem to have any
effect.. ideas?
2887 [23:00:17] <Thedarkb> Hang on a sec while I get back into
chrome...
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2889 [23:00:34] <joepublic> ,v chrome
2890 [23:00:35] <judd> No package named 'chrome' was
found in amd64.
2891 [23:00:36] <joepublic> just checking
2892 [23:00:59] <greycat> most likely they're using chromium,
or upstream's google-chrome(-stable)
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2894 [23:01:11] <Thedarkb> I'm using google's own repo.
2895 [23:01:20] <Thedarkb>
replaced-url
2896 [23:01:21] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
2897 [23:01:26] <Thedarkb> dbus daemon wasn't running.
2898 [23:01:29] <joepublic> I use iridium, same general idea
2899 [23:01:35] <Thedarkb> I set it to run, and I can log in now.
2900 [23:01:49] <Thedarkb> I just need to sort out the openbox and
xdg problems now.
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2903 [23:09:00] <Thedarkb> Okay, installing Thunar has fixed my
icons and xfce4 has fixed my XDG issues of its own accord.
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2924 [23:22:02] <Thedarkb> All now working exqusitely.
2925 [23:22:03] <Thedarkb> Yay
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2931 [23:23:00] <Thedarkb> LXDE is dying now anyway, it was about
time I switched.
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2935 [23:24:48] <Mr_Me> hello guys.... i have an interesting
question to make...
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2938 [23:25:06] <Mr_Me> i use dietpi on my rapsberry 4
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2942 [23:25:15] <Mr_Me> which using debian
2943 [23:25:25] <Mr_Me> so there is a file /boot/cmdline.txt
2944 [23:25:38] <Mr_Me> where there is a line telling which
partition will read to boot
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2946 [23:26:07] <Mr_Me> in my brothers odroid (or even on my
linux-mint which is not debian but just saying) i cannot find that
kind of a file
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2948 [23:26:18] <Mr_Me> is there any place that you can point out
for me to look?
2949 [23:26:42] <Mr_Me> PS: Linux-mint has grub.... so i guess
it's on reason i can't see any kind of the file i'm
looking for
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2951 [23:29:25] <Mr_Me> the reason i'm asking is this. My
raspberry needs a sd-card in order to boot, otherwise dont even
blink. So what i did is to copy everything from sd card to a USB
flash-drive. Changed the cmdline.txt to look to my USB-Flash drive
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2953 [23:29:49] <Mr_Me> so when i boot, start from sd-card and
goes to usbflash drive. So whatever do to it, stays to usbdrive
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2956 [23:30:25] <Mr_Me> with that option, i can back up my system
to my sd card and boot from there in case my usb drive gets
currupted or something
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