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• 58[00:41:05] <hmuller> I'm attempting to disable pulseaudio using these instructions: replaced-url
• 59[00:41:56] <hmuller> after following them and rebooting, pulse is still started. Do I need to disable it using systemctl?
• 60[00:42:05] <somiaj> just in case there is an xy problem here, why do you want to disable it (vs not install it)?
• 61[00:42:09] <somiaj> I mean remove it
• 62[00:42:20] <somiaj> you might want to mask the unit, the unit may run off of events
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• 64[00:42:32] <hmuller> not removing, just wish to disable for awhile for recording purposes
• 65[00:43:00] <somiaj> sound like you just want to stop
• 66[00:43:31] <somiaj> Maybe just systemctl servicename stop (should stop it for the current session)
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• 68[00:43:57] <somiaj> But if you want to disable, I think you want to mask (for some reason I think pulseaudio works as a socket not a service at boot)
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• 72[00:47:31] <hmuller> Thx, 'systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.socket' got the job done
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• 77[00:52:42] <hmuller> That was a fun exercise in creating diversions then removing them
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• 106[01:13:38] <Caspan> so i did an "sudo apt install php-curl" to install PHP Curl and i have uncommented it in php.ini but phpinfo does not show it enabeled
• 107[01:13:44] <Caspan> any ideas
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• 115[01:20:06] <somiaj> maybe restart the webserver?
• 116[01:21:41] <Caspan> tried that
• 117[01:21:49] <annadane> just out of curiosity is it possible to go without needrestart for package updates? does anyone just not use it?
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• 120[01:22:27] <somiaj> I've never used that if that means much
• 121[01:23:08] <somiaj> Caspan: I can't think of anything you missed, maybe start looking through the php logs our journald logs and see if you can find any warnings from php
• 122[01:23:11] <annadane> do you restart services manually or something? things like apache i can understand (assuming systemd or whatever doesn't do it automatically) but lib* i don't really know
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• 125[01:24:22] <somiaj> annadane: I usually just restart when I get a new kernel. If one of the security issues is extemly server I manually restart things
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• 127[01:24:56] <annadane> oh right i suppose the severity of CVE does depend
• 128[01:24:58] <somiaj> But security is a matter of what you feel safe with, if you want to ensure that you don't have anything running on outdated libs, needrestart is probably a good tool. Just not something I worry about.
• 129[01:25:22] <annadane> i just didn't want too many extraneous packages
• 130[01:25:47] <annadane> also needrestart makes things lag on updates/installing stuff so if possible it'd be nice to avoid
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• 132[01:26:22] <annadane> microcode, kernel, systemd i'd do a full reboot
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• 134[01:27:03] <somiaj> For a desktop I woudln't worry to much, rebooting them is often useful anyways
• 135[01:27:36] <annadane> yeah i don't actively run server stuff
• 136[01:28:13] <annadane> if i did i'd probably read up about the other security measures it needs depending on the package
• 137[01:28:37] <somiaj> Maybe just reboot the machien once a week to be safe if you are really worried.
• 138[01:28:56] <somiaj> I should do that more, but haven't had any issues lagging a bit
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• 140[01:29:31] <annadane> i live in the paleolithic age and still have a HDD so booting times being what it is it's a good excuse to not reboot too often :P
• 141[01:29:54] <somiaj> reboot before bed
• 142[01:30:29] <somiaj> but anyways, it depends on your level of confort, what you feel your attack surface is, and what you are worried about if you were to get attacked.
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• 158[01:52:26] <ryouma> i just do what checkrestart tells me to do. i don't raelly think about it.
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• 165[01:54:43] <annadane> isn't checkrestart something you need to manually run?
• 166[01:54:45] <somiaj> I think needrestart just hooks that to apt, basically the same thing.
• 167[01:54:48] <annadane> yeah
• 168[01:54:58] <annadane> i'd rather just ignore it until i have a reason not to i guess
• 169[01:55:02] <annadane> i'll play it by ear
• 170[01:56:18] <annadane> (which i hope the actual sysadmins of the world don't do)
• 171[01:56:38] <Unit193> somiaj: Yes, there's also a -session version of needsrestart.
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• 173[01:56:59] <Unit193> annadane: checkrestart can be handy to show you what's using openssl after an upgrade.
• 174[01:57:38] <annadane> i read the apt show for needrestart-session and i don't see what it does differently to the regular package
• 175[01:57:52] <annadane> oh, processes
• 176[01:57:54] <annadane> not services
• 177[01:58:05] <annadane> i actually thought the regular package did that already
• 178[01:59:05] <annadane> i think there's a package(s) that can tell you what CVE's are open for the packages you have installed
• 179[01:59:06] <ryouma> annadane: i manually run it in a script that runs apt-get etc.
• 180[01:59:14] <annadane> though at that point may as well just read the email about severity
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• 182[01:59:38] <annadane> i guess i'll service restart if it's higher than "normal"
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• 184[02:00:01] <annadane> or medium or whatever cve's use
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• 186[02:00:56] <ryouma> i don't want to read email about packages i do not use. there is a package that tells you the notes for a pakcage that says the cve codes but does it give you the bug precis.
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• 192[02:01:50] <annadane> well the idea is outside of point releases, you find what needs upgrades (i use an icon) and then find the relevant email in your inbox
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• 196[02:02:30] <somiaj> I find I read the email then decide if I need to upgrade and restart things
• 197[02:03:11] <annadane> yeah could do that too
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• 201[02:05:34] <ryouma> for me it is less effort to just restart everything or if kernel etc. reboot
• 202[02:06:06] <annadane> you can find what package the lib* package belongs to and just systemctl restart
• 203[02:06:23] <annadane> or the package itself if it's that specific
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• 205[02:07:51] <annadane> oh hmm security.debian.org entries don't give severity levels
• 206[02:07:55] <annadane> i guess you need another source
• 207[02:08:05] <annadane> it probably is easier to just restart stuff unless you have a reason not to
• 208[02:08:26] <annadane> oh but the tracker does
• 209[02:08:27] <annadane> nvm
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• 217[02:11:08] <annadane> probably varies per distro anyway
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• 219[02:11:27] <annadane> "fedora's kernel has this so this vulnerability is marked 'low'"
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• 244[02:38:14] <somiaj> annadane: local vs remote is a huge thing, you probably care mostly about remote vulns
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• 247[02:41:48] <Caspan> okay i did find it thanks
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• 252[02:46:40] <dvs> Caspan, what did you do? reboot?
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• 254[02:46:58] <Caspan> no i installed php-curl
• 255[02:47:06] <Caspan> i needed to install php7.2-curl
• 256[02:47:18] <dvs> ,v php-curl
• 257[02:47:19] <judd> Package: php-curl on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; bullseye: 2:7.3+69; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.4+73
• 258[02:47:35] <dvs> hmmm... why 7.2?
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• 260[02:47:49] <Caspan> debian 9 thats the version of PHP i installed
• 261[02:48:04] <Caspan> had to go external to get the PHP 7.2 though
• 262[02:48:23] <somiaj> ahh you are on stretch still
• 263[02:48:23] <Caspan> i forget the one that comes in Debian 9 repo but its older
• 264[02:48:27] <Caspan> yeah
• 265[02:48:38] <somiaj> You may want to consider upgrading to buster if you need php 7
• 266[02:48:45] <Caspan> why is that?
• 267[02:48:47] <somiaj> Though you'll have LTS support on stretch for another few years
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• 269[02:49:17] <somiaj> This way you don't need extrenal packages for php.
• 270[02:49:28] <Caspan> ahh
• 271[02:49:41] <Caspan> i was just playing around with Google Cloud Platform VM server
• 272[02:49:56] <Caspan> trying to get LAMP running to see how hard it was
• 273[02:49:57] <somiaj> But for the most part, just saying buster has been out foa w hile now, and might suit your needs better. You can upgrdae in place (though you may have to remove those external packages first)
• 274[02:50:34] <somiaj> Ahh, well if you are still trying to get a LAMP setup, using buster gives you a longer support span, you can probably get a buster image too
• 275[02:50:55] <Caspan> okay
• 276[02:50:56] <somiaj> Anyways, just things to think about. Debian 10 is the stable version, debian 9 will loose offical support shortly (but will keep LTS support)
• 277[02:51:09] <Caspan> thnak you
• 278[02:51:16] <Caspan> i thought 10 was too new
• 279[02:51:27] <Caspan> didnt realize it was stable verison
• 280[02:51:33] <Caspan> ill play with 10 then, thank you
• 281[02:51:39] <dvs> bullseye freezes in January!
• 282[02:51:40] <somiaj> debian goes through a good freeze/testing cycle before the release.
• 283[02:52:32] <Caspan> Thank you
• 284[02:52:39] <annadane> debian release cycles really aren't *that* long when you think about it
• 285[02:52:53] <annadane> 2 years is a good balance of bleeding edge vs too old
• 286[02:53:07] <annadane> if desktop users wanted to they could start using the new release during the freeze
• 287[02:53:11] <somiaj> So once a release happens it is often safe to upgrade, though some may prefer to wait for the first point release, X.1, just to have a bit more testing givign time for more known issues to arise, but things don't change much after the release.
• 288[02:53:15] <Caspan> does debian 10 support docker containers?
• 289[02:53:31] <Caspan> i want to start playing with them next so you can move the app to differnet servers
• 290[02:53:37] <annadane> ,i docker.io
• 291[02:53:38] <judd> Package docker.io (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Linux container runtime. Version: 18.09.1+dfsg1-7.1+deb10u1; Size: 52266.5k; Installed: 232352k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 292[02:53:50] <Caspan> nice
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• 294[02:53:53] <annadane> i think is the package?
• 295[02:54:45] <Caspan> is there an app to alow cd.. ?? lol
• 296[02:54:59] <Caspan> i swear i hate that it does not exist in Linux :)
• 297[02:55:15] <annadane> cd?
• 298[02:55:18] <Caspan> cd..
• 299[02:55:27] <Caspan> i always type that insted of cd ..
• 300[02:55:30] <somiaj> cd is in linux, part of your shell
• 301[02:55:44] <somiaj> oh so you want cd.. to be equivlant to cd ..
• 302[02:55:44] <Caspan> i forget to put hte space in
• 303[02:55:49] <Caspan> yeah haha
• 304[02:55:55] <annadane> you can make an alias
• 305[02:55:57] <somiaj> 'alias cd..='cd ..'
• 306[02:55:58] <Caspan> its stupid i know
• 307[02:56:01] <somiaj> arg take off first quote
• 308[02:56:03] <Caspan> windows cmd habits
• 309[02:56:06] <annadane> fail!
• 310[02:56:14] <Caspan> i know
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• 312[02:56:16] <somiaj> if you put that in your .bashrc or .profile, you get it each time you load your shell
• 313[02:56:18] <annadane> not you; somiaj. :P
• 314[02:56:20] <Caspan> i should just learn cd ..
• 315[02:56:51] <eegenolf> Anyone have any issues with libgtkwebkit-1.0.0?
• 316[02:56:51] <JordiGH> I just alias .. to 'cd ..'
• 317[02:56:53] <eegenolf> Pulse secure VPN gui app?
• 318[02:56:54] <somiaj> ahh, some people use alais to deal with stuff like that, just make an alias, it is a short cut you are use to /like
• 319[02:57:01] <JordiGH> Who's got time to even type cd..
• 320[02:57:03] <somiaj> eegenolf: don't cross post.
• 321[02:57:05] <Caspan> thnks
• 322[02:57:08] <Caspan> thanks*
• 323[02:57:31] <JordiGH> But yeah, I remember in 2002 or so when I was getting used to bash, I didn't like that cd.. didn't work like in DOS>
• 324[02:57:44] <eegenolf> Sorry #newb
• 325[02:57:46] <somiaj> hmm, wonder if thefuck would work with that
• 326[02:57:50] <somiaj> ,i thefuck
• 327[02:57:51] <judd> Package thefuck (python, optional) in buster/amd64: spelling corrector of console commands. Version: 3.11-2.1; Size: 39.9k; Installed: 222k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 337[03:00:35] <disillusion> does anyone here have experience having people log into a shell Debian 10 home server? I've had problems since Debian 9 where weird stuff happens and I have no idea where the shell requests are disappearing.
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• 342[03:01:13] <disillusion> LAN and VPN addresses can log in with ssh just fine, it's WAN addresses that experience the weird stuff
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• 344[03:01:55] <disillusion> I can see that my router gets the requests to shell in on port 22, and it forwards it to my Debian 10 server, but then it disappears from there and I want to see where it's going.
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• 347[03:02:27] <disillusion> I have 2 I.P. WAN addresses that log in just fine, but now I'm trying to get someone with a Macintosh on and the sftp request just dies somewhere.
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• 349[03:03:00] <somiaj> do you have something ilke fail2ban or denyhost installed?
• 350[03:03:12] <disillusion> I've had a really difficult time running a sftp server on Debian and Ubuntu over the past 2 years and I have no idea what the problem is.
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• 352[03:03:37] <disillusion> somiaj, no, just a basic Debian 10 with XFCE running OpenSSH
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• 355[03:04:24] <disillusion> I should mention that I like to disable ipv6, so I'm wondering if the Debian developers only test on ipv6 and don't even use ipv4 anymore.
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• 359[03:05:49] <disillusion> this problem of sftp requests disappearing somewhere on Debian has been so long for me, and across operating systems, that I really start to think there's some underlying problem with Debian.
• 360[03:06:02] <somiaj> disillusion: that most likely isn't the issue. I would check to see if you have either of those packages installed.
• 361[03:06:40] <somiaj> though you say sftp request, could it be that their client isn't using the correct port (sftp can mean multiple things)
• 362[03:07:02] <somiaj> maybe have the mac user open up a terminal and type 'ssh ip' see if that works, in that case it is the sftp client's issue
• 363[03:07:20] <disillusion> somiaj, but I use a basic Debian 10 with xfce installation. I don't do anything fancy. If it doesn't work out of the box, I see that as a fundamental problem. And like I said, it's been like this for Ubuntu also over the past 2 years.
• 364[03:08:03] <somiaj> just check for those packages, they are useful ones to have, but I don't think they are installed by default.
• 365[03:08:13] <disillusion> somiaj, as I've mentioned, I'm logged into the home router and see the mac user's request, and router forwarded it to my server. I see no evidence of that traffic reaching the server, though.
• 366[03:08:33] <disillusion> and 2 other I.P. WAN addresses get through just fine, which leaves me more baffled.
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• 368[03:09:22] <disillusion> I'm in the United States, and have gotten 2 different geographic I.P.'s to connect just fine.
• 369[03:09:26] <somiaj> which makes it sound like fail2ban
• 370[03:09:51] <somiaj> Could be a firewall issue blocking those ips, why some work and others don't
• 371[03:09:53] <disillusion> somiaj, would you happen to know how to check for that?
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• 375[03:11:07] <somiaj> disillusion: various ways, 'dpkg -l fail2ban'
• 376[03:11:15] <somiaj> hmm, seems debian doesn't use denyhosts anymore
• 377[03:11:42] <somiaj> ayways if you see an 'ii fail2ban ...' output you ahve it installed
• 378[03:11:57] <disillusion> I have a GUI for it. I like to run a server the easy way.
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• 380[03:12:17] <disillusion> use remote desktop to admin
• 381[03:12:33] <disillusion> somiaj, fail2ban is not installed
• 382[03:12:51] <somiaj> double check your firewall?
• 383[03:13:14] <somiaj> does it work on an outside ip sometime and fail others, maybe you have some issue with your network
• 384[03:13:18] <disillusion> I did that. And like I said, 2 other I.P. addresses work just fine, so why wouldn't the 3rd address work?
• 385[03:13:26] <somiaj> (i.e. the same ip, vs some ips it worska nnd others it doesn't)
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• 387[03:14:19] <disillusion> somiaj, actually, I have several I.P. addresses I have tried because I have one machine trying from various proxy addresses and they work.
• 388[03:14:32] <somiaj> reason I thought fail2ban is it would create a firewall and deny certain ips if they fail to login, which could explain what you describe. But now that it isn't installed, it could be some other firewall on your machine blocking that ip
• 389[03:14:49] <somiaj> or it could be somethig with your network or router.
• 390[03:15:30] <disillusion> somiaj, I've tried with 2 routers, still the same problem.
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• 396[03:17:57] <disillusion> somiaj, one thing I should bring up is that it might be the sftp clients. About 2 years ago I noticed that FileZilla on Windows 7 couldn't connect with sftp to Debian 9, but all the linux clients could do it.
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• 400[03:18:45] <disillusion> I looked into it a bit, and learned that just about every sftp client on Windows used the same base code for sftp, so if that base code was buggy, every other client would be buggy as well.
• 401[03:19:24] <disillusion> but this doesn't explain why sometimes the linux clients *occasionally* have issues.
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• 405[03:19:57] <disillusion> there's something really buggy with sftp and I don't quite know what it is
• 406[03:20:36] <disillusion> I'm surprised it's persisted this long.
• 407[03:22:05] <disillusion> It makes me wonder what the Debian developers are using to transfer files securely, if not sftp.
• 408[03:22:47] <disillusion> Because I'm really tempted to believe that the Debian developers have kind of abandoned testing of OpenSSH on a Debian desktop.
• 409[03:23:10] <dvs> disillusion, scp
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• 411[03:25:17] <annadane> is sftp officially recommended against?
• 412[03:25:19] <annadane> !sftp
• 413[03:25:19] <dpkg> sftp is a program that provides FTP-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel and is usually what you should be using instead of ftp://ftp. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, gftp and many file managers like dolphin, konqueror and nautilus. The server is in the package openssh-server. For Windows clients, ask me about <winscp>, <filezilla>. See also <scp> and <sshfs>.
• 414[03:25:24] <disillusion> I should mention that what I'm trying to do is securely transfer OpenVPN files to clients. sftp is great when that works.
• 415[03:25:40] <annadane> i forget the one greycat yells at us not to use
• 416[03:25:46] <annadane> (no not ftp)
• 417[03:25:47] <disillusion> I need something simple that Windows and OSX users can use to obtain the OpenVPN files securely.
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• 419[03:26:24] <disillusion> Once I get people onto my OpenVPN network, all of our traffic is encrypted and no one needs to do anything fancy after that.
• 420[03:27:07] <disillusion> there's a lot of kids out of school now and now some people in my family want to get connected to my vpn
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• 422[03:27:52] <acidtripper> dissillusion openvpn goes trought SSL
• 423[03:28:01] <disillusion> it's a great opportunity to show people how awesome Debian is, and yet just a simple file transfer has turned into an embarrassment.
• 424[03:29:04] <acidtripper> haha yesterday you were dissapointed about debian and ufw
• 425[03:29:16] <disillusion> acidtripper, yes I know, and OpenVPN works great. It's the secure-file-transfer part that isn't working.
• 426[03:29:45] <disillusion> I've never once had an issue with OpenVPN.
• 427[03:30:21] <disillusion> I also run Nextcloud for group voice and video, which work great on Debian 10. And I run a Minetest5 server which some people I know have gotten addicted to.
• 428[03:30:50] <disillusion> the Nextcloud developers have done a great job making a suite that actually does voice chat that kids can use on Firefox.
• 429[03:30:54] <acidtripper> what is minetest?
• 430[03:31:05] <disillusion> acidtripper, a linux imitation of the famouse Minecraft game.
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• 432[03:31:34] <disillusion> it's probably the best game ever made for linux, just looking at how I current have kids and 30-somethings totally hooked on it, and using linux, too.
• 433[03:31:55] <acidtripper> ahhh minecraft
• 434[03:32:13] <disillusion> I wanted to show better city designs and was looking for 3D design software
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• 436[03:32:36] <disillusion> ran into Minetest, got some people in just for fun, and it's become much more than that. lol it's an addiction now.
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• 440[03:33:42] <disillusion> I wanted to use Mumble for group voice, but that fails sometimes, accidentally putting all system sounds to all other clients, and has an annoying echo.
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• 442[03:33:59] <acidtripper> which distro would you use for home server?
• 443[03:34:02] <acidtripper> deb?
• 444[03:34:17] <disillusion> but wow have the Nextcloud developers done a great job getting not only group voice, but group video working on a simple Debian server.
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• 446[03:34:30] <disillusion> acidtripper, I'm currently using Debian 10
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• 449[03:34:55] <disillusion> everything works EXCEPT SECURE FILE TRANSFER for new clients.
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• 455[03:35:23] <karlpinc> acidtripper: If you install debian, use the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included. The big difference between ubuntu and debian is that debian, by default, only installs free software.
• 456[03:35:30] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 457[03:35:30] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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• 459[03:35:32] <disillusion> I should mention that I only allow nextcloud on the VPN. I keep the whole thing secured with OpenVPN.
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• 461[03:35:48] <acidtripper> yes, know that. always use firmware one
• 462[03:35:56] <acidtripper> im not in love with RMS
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• 464[03:36:19] <annadane> for whatever reason gpg isn't installed on those firmware images
• 465[03:36:22] <disillusion> the only problem I have is securely transferring the OpenVPN files to clients. sftp is supposed to be able to do that, but mysteriously over the past 2 years, something has been wrong with OpenSSH when dealing with WAN addresses.
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• 469[03:37:24] <disillusion> someone needs to say it: sftp is broken
• 470[03:37:31] <karlpinc> disillusion: What's the difference between a WAN address and a not-WAN address?
• 471[03:38:02] <karlpinc> disillusion: If you can ssh you should be able to sftp.
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• 473[03:38:24] <disillusion> karlpinc, lol that's what I'd like to know. There used to be no difference, then about 2 years ago something about sftp stopped working and now I have all kinds of problems getting WAN addresses to sftp into my Debian or Ubuntu servers.
• 474[03:39:00] <disillusion> karlpinc, ssh and sftp have the exact same problem when trying to connect with WAN addresses.
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• 476[03:39:10] <karlpinc> disillusion: You tell me. Because they are all IP addresses. You seem to be makeing a distinction. I want to know what that distinction is.
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• 478[03:39:37] <disillusion> as I've said, I like to disable ipv6 on the server so I'm wondering if people are using ipv6 for home servers these days and I'm the last loser still using ipv4, and maybe that's why sftp is broken.
• 479[03:39:50] <karlpinc> disillusion: No. That's not it.
• 480[03:40:09] <karlpinc> disillusion: More likely you're natting or firewalling or something.
• 481[03:40:27] <karlpinc> disillusion: But until you explain what a WAN address is there's no helping.
• 482[03:41:11] <disillusion> karlpinc, as I've mentioned, about 2 years I did repeated trials with Windows 7 and linux clients trying to connect to me using sftp. The linux clients all worked but FileZilla and various other Windows clients couldn't connect. So I know for a fact there was an sftp/ssh client bug.
• 483[03:41:48] <karlpinc> disillusion: What did the logs say about what went wrong?
• 484[03:41:51] <disillusion> karlpinc, I can ssh with LAN and VPN addresses just fine. This is why the whole thing is such a mystery to me.
• 485[03:42:28] <disillusion> karlpinc, that's one of the interesting parts. Sometimes my router forwards the traffic to the server, as it should, and then I see nothing on the server.
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• 487[03:43:12] <disillusion> karlpinc, other times, I see that the server sent traffic on port 22 back to the client, as it should. But then it disappears somewhere. The client just experiences a hang and eventually gives up.
• 488[03:43:15] <karlpinc> disillusion: That means it's not forwarded. You did a tcpdump? What did you do on the server to "see nothing"?
• 489[03:44:06] <disillusion> karlpinc, oh yeah I've done tcpdump too, and it shows traffic going to the server sometimes. But I don't know what it does from there. I'm not that technically inclined. This is why I want other people to test this.
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• 493[03:44:32] <disillusion> just make a Debian 10 server and try to get random people you know to sftp in to it.
• 494[03:44:33] <preyalone> How can I skip mirror selection prompt during apt-get install google-android-ndk-installer? I tried -y and DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, with no effect :/
• 495[03:44:44] <karlpinc> disillusion: Sounds to me like the problem is in your router, which is sometimes forwarding, sometimes not. And sometimes not returning traffic that leaves the ssh server.
• 496[03:44:51] <disillusion> try it with OSX and Windows users and see what happens
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• 498[03:44:56] <karlpinc> disillusion: That makes it hard for other people to test.
• 499[03:45:28] <acidtripper> disillusion, tried disabling ufw completly?
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• 501[03:45:38] <acidtripper> works? just to check if is router on iptables
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• 503[03:45:52] <disillusion> karlpinc, but then what was the issue with windows sftp clients not working and the linux clients working just fine?
• 504[03:46:29] <disillusion> karlpinc, is it possible that the router would get along well with the traffic that linux clients send and the router won't like the traffic that windows clients send?
• 505[03:46:58] <disillusion> acidtripper, yes I've tried that. Even a DMZ. This is why the whole thing is just weird to me.
• 506[03:47:19] <disillusion> and I've tried with 2 different routers.
• 507[03:47:27] <disillusion> wired and wifi connections
• 508[03:47:32] <acidtripper> and works? without ufw active?
• 509[03:47:35] <acidtripper> or doesn't
• 510[03:47:47] <disillusion> still doesn't work with ufw disabled
• 511[03:47:50] <karlpinc> preyalone: Look at the scripts. Somewhere in /var is apt keeping the package unpacked. The script is probably what's prompting.
• 512[03:48:02] <disillusion> I've tried with 2 different computers, one desktop and one laptop
• 513[03:48:10] <disillusion> each on a different router
• 514[03:48:12] <disillusion> same shit
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• 516[03:48:28] <karlpinc> disillusion: MS is known for violating the 2MSL rule (iirc) where it re-uses ports too often when establishing new connections.
• 517[03:48:34] <disillusion> I should try with a raspberry pi and see what happens
• 518[03:48:42] <acidtripper> ahhahah
• 519[03:49:07] <karlpinc> disillusion: But that won't affect traffic that gets to the ssh server and then does not make it back through the router to the client.
• 520[03:49:22] <disillusion> I actually wouldn't be surprised with a raspberry pi has no problems as an sftp server, but I'll run it and see what happens.
• 521[03:50:07] <karlpinc> disillusion: If you really think it's the server side then crank up the verbosity of the logging and prove it by showing the logs here. Somebody will (eventually) take a look.
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• 523[03:50:31] <preyalone> karlinc: good point. Indeed, /var/lib/dpkg/info/google-android-ndk-installer.postinst has some sort of "db_input" call
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• 526[03:51:13] <karlpinc> disillusion: The other thing is that older ciphers etc are removed from newer sshd versions. Could be that. But that does not feel right, and should be clear from the logs.
• 527[03:51:35] <karlpinc> preyalone: You could hack the script.
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• 529[03:52:55] <preyalone> ... Download a DEB, extract contents, patch, rearchive, deb install. True, this would be possible. I'm just disappointed in the entire chain of developers failing to make such an important package a seamless install
• 530[03:53:21] <karlpinc> preyalone: File a bug report. For that matter look at the bug reports. Maybe somebody has a work-around.
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• 532[03:53:51] <preyalone> Lol, I wonder if aliasing db_install to a NO-OP right before apt-get... would carry over into the post-install's execution?
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• 584[04:31:03] <laidback_01> hello folks. my wife uses debian 10, I used freebsd. we are both using Gimp version 2.10. In my version, under File->create->Screenshot I have choices for Single Window, Entire Screen, or 'Select a region to grab' My wife's PC with Debian 10.2 doesn't have 'Select a region to grab' I've been googling for a about 10 minutes now and thought I should ask here... just in case this is a known issue. anyway, she wants the
• 585[04:31:04] <laidback_01> 'select a region' option...
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• 588[04:32:43] <annadane> just fyi, we're on 10.3, your wife could consider upgrading
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• 591[04:34:27] <derpadmin> laidback_01 : in gimp or... just create a screenshot with a region to grab?
• 592[04:34:37] <derpadmin> I am on debian 10
• 593[04:34:56] <laidback_01> etc/debian_version states 10.3, my fault
• 594[04:35:09] <laidback_01> the issue is in gimp
• 595[04:35:33] <derpadmin> let me check my gimp... but is seems more like a gimp problem than a debian problem
• 596[04:36:02] <laidback_01> and I ask here because a lot of people in here might have gimp installed. I agree with it being more Gimp oriented, but... like I said, just asking in the hopeful chance is all.
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• 598[04:36:32] <derpadmin> same here
• 599[04:36:47] <derpadmin> no region to grab
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• 601[04:36:57] <derpadmin> what is your gimp version on freebsd?
• 602[04:37:13] <derpadmin> I am on GIMP 2.10.8 on debian
• 603[04:37:38] <derpadmin> ah, you already mentioned it
• 604[04:37:46] <derpadmin> well, the option is just not there...
• 605[04:37:47] <bsu_> i'm on 2.10.12
• 606[04:37:56] <bsu_> using debian
• 607[04:38:04] <laidback_01> this is 2.10.10 in FreeBSD
• 608[04:38:15] <derpadmin> do you have the option bsu_
• 609[04:38:24] <bsu_> just joined
• 610[04:38:26] <derpadmin> ?
• 611[04:38:28] <bsu_> what option?
• 612[04:38:32] <laidback_01> bsu_ do you have the File->Create->Screenshot "Select a Region to Grab" option ?
• 613[04:38:39] <laidback_01> in Gimp.
• 614[04:39:01] <bsu_> yup
• 615[04:39:04] <derpadmin> aahh
• 616[04:39:08] <derpadmin> minor version :)
• 617[04:39:15] <derpadmin> upgrade gimp, problem solved
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• 619[04:39:39] <bsu_> no could be x vs wayland thing
• 620[04:39:51] <derpadmin> ah
• 621[04:39:52] <bsu_> wayland don't let you do that kind of stuff
• 622[04:39:55] <annadane> that seems more likely, yes
• 623[04:40:04] <acidtripper> why using wayland instead of x?
• 624[04:40:08] <annadane> what de is the person missing the option on, gnome?
• 625[04:40:10] <laidback_01> huh. doubtful let me see
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• 627[04:40:13] <annadane> because it defaults to wayland
• 628[04:40:14] <laidback_01> KDE
• 629[04:40:15] <annadane> iirc
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• 632[04:40:49] <bsu_> acidtripper, well there was a time when ppl thought about security and well we lost
• 633[04:41:21] <annadane> hmm no idea about kde
• 634[04:41:33] <laidback_01> no wayland installed on the machine
• 635[04:41:40] <bsu_> but wayland is more straightforward so still something that will be next after x
• 636[04:41:42] <bsu_> uhm
• 637[04:41:56] <bsu_> so it will be xyw
• 638[04:41:58] <bsu_> i guess
• 639[04:42:21] <annadane> actually, i'm being stupid. never mind.
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• 641[04:42:30] <annadane> wayland wouldn't cause the option to not exist
• 642[04:42:41] <laidback_01> well, it's all xorg, xserver-* and xxd, xz-utils
• 643[04:42:45] <laidback_01> so.. no
• 644[04:42:55] <laidback_01> okay, I'll keep working on this.
• 645[04:43:00] <laidback_01> thanks for looking all!
• 646[04:43:26] <bsu_> <3
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• 649[04:43:35] <annadane> i suppose for more general help you can ask the gimp people and if they have it then it's a debian issue? i don't know, just speculating/hypothesizing/blabbing/not being helpful
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• 651[04:44:05] <laidback_01> no worries, I've been looking at the Windows people too. they have an issue just like this
• 652[04:44:21] <laidback_01> but they have a dual-plugin that solves the issue, but these plugins don't exist for debian.
• 653[04:44:38] <bsu_> to be fair i have screenshot->select-region
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• 655[04:44:50] <annadane> i know you can switch modes
• 656[04:44:52] <bsu_> not area
• 657[04:45:01] <annadane> single pane vs dual pane? something like that, i'm not versed in gimp
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• 661[04:46:55] <bsu_> if it is a script thing
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• 663[04:47:13] <bsu_> this is the wrong channel
• 664[04:47:41] <annadane> what's a script thing?
• 665[04:48:33] <bsu_> sounds like a blabla make screenshots and feed it into almighty ai
• 666[04:48:41] <laidback_01> no, not at all
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• 668[04:49:00] <laidback_01> she works insurance. periodically needs to get a quick screen grab, but doesn't want the whole thing
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• 670[04:49:14] <laidback_01> used to be able to just get the part wanted, now has to get a screenshot and crop
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• 675[04:53:22] <bsu_> gimp is kinda powerfull though i haven't explored that point
• 676[04:53:44] <bsu_> but it has powerfull cli also ?
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• 678[04:56:45] <karlpinc> laidback_01: Use scrot.
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• 683[04:57:56] <laidback_01> freedesktop integration doesn't support regions but gnome-shell integration does
• 684[04:57:59] <karlpinc> laidback_01: If you need to, invoke it with an icon (in a tray or whatever.).
• 685[04:58:14] <laidback_01> that's the gist of the problem. KDE vs Mate
• 686[04:59:29] <annadane> so you have the desired functionality (or rather she does) in MATE?
• 687[04:59:34] <annadane> not sure if reading correctly
• 688[04:59:52] <annadane> afaict the freebsd machine's gimp is working properly
• 689[04:59:58] <annadane> maybe i should just go to sleep
• 690[05:00:25] <laidback_01> yes, I have the desired functionality in FreeBSD under Mate
• 691[05:00:32] <laidback_01> she's running debian 10/KDE
• 692[05:00:42] <karlpinc> laidback_01: Has she tried scrot?
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• 694[05:01:03] <annadane> that's a weird consideration, i'll have to remember this in future
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• 697[05:01:25] <laidback_01> karlpinc, no, but thanks for the suggestion. I'll take a look see if it works for needs
• 698[05:01:41] <laidback_01> gimp is overkill for just screenshots. but it's useful for so much, and we both like it.
• 699[05:01:43] <silverwhitefish> Spectacle - screenshot tool ;)
• 700[05:02:04] <annadane> xfce4-screenshooter!
• 701[05:02:09] <karlpinc> laidback_01: Try it with a, say, 5 second delay, capture of the window with focus. That gives time to bring the desired window into focus.
• 702[05:02:09] <annadane> !start a screenshot tool war
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• 704[05:03:16] <joepublic> dpkg start a screenshoot tool war is <annadane> xfce4-screenshooter!
• 705[05:03:16] <dpkg> okay, joepublic
• 706[05:03:17] <karlpinc> I don't imagine scrot is anything special. I chose it because it was dirt simple.
• 707[05:03:20] <annadane> or yeah, i guess spectacle is a kde thing so the suggestion makes sense =P
• 708[05:04:52] <annadane> ok good night. :P
• 709[05:06:17] <silverwhitefish> replaced-url
• 710[05:06:41] <silverwhitefish> let the contest begin :p
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• 712[05:07:13] <laidback_01> okay, scrot doesn't give an easy way to select a region. cmd line and all, no mouse choice ;)
• 713[05:07:18] <laidback_01> spectacle works a charm
• 714[05:07:21] <laidback_01> she's happy with that
• 715[05:07:27] <laidback_01> thanks guys! marriage saved!
• 716[05:07:29] <annadane> *sees browser tabs* you need an adblocker
• 717[05:07:30] <silverwhitefish> replaced-url
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• 721[05:11:41] <karlpinc> Moral: Learn to use debtags/aptitude/apt-file/whatever other package search tools to find the tool you need.
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• 723[05:13:57] <laidback_01> well, I didn't originally go into this looking for another screenshot tool. rather I wanted to fix the one I had. after find out why it was broken, replacement became an easy solution. turns out I had spectacle installed already.
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• 727[05:19:45] <silverwhitefish> the Print Screen key on the keyboard is super handy too, Ctrl + PrintScreen takes screenshots of windows and i think it even sends it to the clip board for copy and past
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• 820[06:41:24] <DunningFreddyKru> 1.) Is the new debian delta standard in bullseye yet 2.) Do debdeltas work for ARM64?
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• 897[07:57:44] <fredl> 'morning folks
• 898[07:57:56] <fredl> I use galera replication in mysql
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• 900[07:58:08] <fredl> And pdns with a mysql backend
• 901[07:58:30] <fredl> How do I make sure in the systemd file for pdns to wait for galera to synchronize?
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• 925[08:11:52] <han-solo> galera has a service ?
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• 927[08:12:33] <fredl> no
• 928[08:12:49] <fredl> you configure mysql to use galera
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• 931[08:13:05] <han-solo> i don't know what galera is
• 932[08:13:09] <fredl> So that when it starts up, first thing it will do is synchronize with the other nodes
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• 935[08:13:43] <dgriffi> has anyone seen Daniel Schepler recently?
• 936[08:13:58] <fredl> it's a replication mechanism
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• 941[08:14:45] <han-solo> Okay, how do one know if it is synchronized ?
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• 950[08:23:34] <fredl> typically it takes just a minute or so, this is a remote mysql node and therefore slightly slower
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• 953[08:24:07] <fredl> I normally check if the DB is synchronized just using MariaDB [(none)]> show global status like 'wsrep_cluster_status';
• 954[08:24:28] <fredl> and if it's synched, it shows value 'Primary'
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• 957[08:25:07] <fredl> But I'm noticing some glitches at rebooting this server, where it can't resolve certain important hostnames
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• 972[08:33:59] <jim> is debian using the freedesktop standard to feed the application menus of (say) gnome, kde, lxde, xfce, etc?
• 973[08:34:18] <jim> rather than the debian menu system?
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• 981[08:39:20] <terr__> I want to export an environment variable from a bash script and I've forgotten how
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• 992[08:44:24] <DunningFreddyKru> just for the current shell?
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• 994[08:44:44] <terr__> yes
• 995[08:45:04] <DunningFreddyKru> FOO="bar"
• 996[08:45:11] <terr__> I thought it was export
• 997[08:45:34] <DunningFreddyKru> that is all processes started from it
• 998[08:45:46] <Unit193> terr__: You ever get your DNS working?
• 999[08:45:49] <terr__> set FOO. $FOO is the reference - but when the shell exits FOO is no more
• 1000[08:45:57] <Unit193> jim: Debian menu system was basically deprecated.
• 1001[08:46:12] <terr__> not yet. I went to bed... up too many hours
• 1002[08:46:46] <watom> hello, how debian package depency reccomend list order work when there are different one with "or" between and you don't have any of them?
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• 1004[08:47:10] <terr__> Unit193, I'm just doing some reconfiguring of the wires on my desk!!! That is now done!
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• 1006[08:47:19] <terr__> DNS next
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• 1009[08:48:52] <terr__> I'm setting an environment variable so I can place a color bar in front of a command: eg FOO="blah" so I can do something like $FOO;ls
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• 1013[08:49:45] <terr__> I want to set FOO inside a bash script. of course - its not there when the script is done. There is a way to export it but I've forgotten how
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• 1015[08:51:47] <DunningFreddyKru> put in .bashrc or edit /etc/environment ?
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• 1017[08:52:34] <terr__> no - I don't really want to do it that way. I want to just run the command. I know there is a way to do it.
• 1018[08:52:54] <terr__> I think I know where to look
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• 1031[08:57:23] <terr__> it use to be setenv
• 1032[08:57:58] <jim> Unit193, in favor of the freedesktop spec, I read
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• 1051[09:07:34] <terr__> its not setenv. I know there are "c shell" variables and they need set and unset, THere is also setenv and I forget what that is for. there is a way to do this because that is how the contents of the config files end up int the environment
• 1052[09:07:53] <terr__> I just forget how
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• 1064[09:14:35] <jim> Unit193, it looks like there'
• 1065[09:15:34] <jim> is .menu files for each desktop environment, is there a central menu database that they come from?
• 1066[09:16:02] <watom> uhm. why linux-image and linux-headers in buster-backports have different versions? O_o
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• 1068[09:16:15] <watom> i can't use the headers on that image so i don't see the point of it
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• 1072[09:20:15] <watom> okay there is just a version mismatch in the meta packages. is that considered a bug
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• 1076[09:20:55] <ratrace> terr__: setenv in c shell is what export is in bash. export FOO="bar", or for one command scope: $ FOO="bar" somecommand ....
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• 1078[09:21:09] <ratrace> terr__: without that $, that's yer prompt
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• 1084[09:26:44] <ayekat> maybe they're thinking of env FOO=bar somecommand
• 1085[09:26:45] <EdePopede> terr__: i have some aliases (doesn't take parameters, but they're not needed everywhere) and a script with functions that is sourced at login. or for every shell, whatever. means i can just run it after changes without reopening the shell where i need it.
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• 1087[09:27:57] <yesyes1> HI guys . how may i run gui mode from command line
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• 1090[09:29:00] <ayekat> yesyes1: what do you mean with "run gui mode"? are you in a tty and want to start a graphical environment?
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• 1121[09:42:07] <huma> hi. i have a server running debian 6.0.2. how do i safely update apache2 and openssl in order to support tls 1.2 without updating the whole distro?
• 1122[09:42:58] <inch> How about installing debian buster in a vm or container and using it as a reverse proxy?
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• 1132[09:46:22] <nkuttler> huma: running such an outdated os is by definition not safe..
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• 1134[09:48:31] <ksk> huma: you cant as far as I know, because openssl et al will need newer system libraries.
• 1135[09:48:45] <ksk> putting a reverse proxy in front of it is the sane approach, if you really cannot update the box
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• 1156[09:56:24] <jim> maybe you could backport the package, or just build the new one outright
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• 1169[10:00:55] <hans_> i have never ever gotten a response from the paste.debian.net admin about false-positive bugreports on the spamfilter
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• 1171[10:01:19] <hans_> anyway, when trying to paste this into the debian pastebin, it triggers the spamfilter: replaced-url
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• 1174[10:01:46] <hans_> due to the admin never ever responding in the past, i wont even bother sending another report, but maybe someone else can be arsed
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• 1179[10:02:14] <hans_> speaking of, has he ever responded to anyone else's spamfilter bugreports?
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• 1181[10:04:24] <ratrace> hans_: you emailed the admin directly?
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• 1184[10:05:46] <hans_> ratrace, yeah, in 2015, 2016, 2018,
• 1185[10:06:00] <hans_> he never responds and afaik, never fixes the filter
• 1186[10:06:16] <hans_> formorer@debian.org
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• 1192[10:07:46] <ratrace> Over the years I found that contacting people directly in FOSSland is mostly a waste of time. You could file a bug report or use a mailing list to point at the issues. the paste is part of the debian infra
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• 1196[10:13:17] <kljlk> Hallo?
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• 1202[10:17:10] <hans_> ratrace, then why is this contact button on the page? x.x replaced-url
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• 1205[10:20:16] <ratrace> You'd have to ask them :)
• 1206[10:21:19] <netcrash> Sorry for the question if not appropriate but how does hardware manage the connection to the cpu if the number of cores is four and the virtual machines are 10 all with 4 cores, there will be a performance hit and schedualing to use the cpu correct?
• 1207[10:21:19] <jim> kljlk, hi
• 1208[10:21:33] <hans_> ok, where do you suggest making the bugreport then?
• 1209[10:21:52] <watom> hans_ replaced-url
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• 1212[10:23:31] <watom> seems a dead project thuogh
• 1213[10:23:40] <watom> or at last is not open source anymore
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• 1215[10:24:03] <ratrace> netcrash: correct, the question is only how severe a hit. usually cpus today are fast enough to handle proces counts several times the number of computing cores. there's always waiting for IO or stuff like that which frees up the schedule
• 1216[10:24:09] <Guest77> hello all, can you help with a good way to backup debian server for hosting ?
• 1217[10:24:17] <ratrace> netcrash: but then that's what's gonna hog up, the IO. it doesn't scale as well as cpu
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• 1219[10:28:29] <hans_> watom, well worth a shot i guess, replaced-url
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• 1226[10:35:44] <bendem> hi there, I have this weird thing happening where I can't run sudo apt install php-imagik (package is not found), but if I download the deb directly from replaced-url
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• 1230[10:37:35] <hans_> netcrash, btw the performance overhead of running fully virtualized machines is *significantly* higher than running a "paravirtualized" (fancy word for "semi-virtualized", i think) system, if you're interested in low-overhead VM's, check the "OS-level virtualization" list here replaced-url
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• 1236[10:42:36] <netcrash> hans_: thank you
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• 1244[10:45:32] <bendem> does anyone know what could cause a package that's clearly listed as available on packages.debian.org to not be available for install?
• 1245[10:46:00] <hans_> suppose it depends on what apt says
• 1246[10:46:21] <bendem> E: Unable to locate package php-imagik
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• 1248[10:46:58] <bendem> context was 11 minutes ago
• 1249[10:47:23] <hans_> try php7-imagik ?
• 1250[10:47:37] <bendem> same thing
• 1251[10:47:45] <bendem> and same thing with php7.3-imagik
• 1252[10:48:04] <hans_> .. install sury and try again, replaced-url
• 1253[10:48:45] <bendem> I'd rather find the root cause of this problem, I want to understand what is going wrong, I already said I could fix the problem by manually downloading the deb file
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• 1255[10:49:18] <hans_> and when you run `apt-get update` any errors?
• 1256[10:49:25] <bendem> nope
• 1257[10:50:02] <bendem> replaced-url
• 1258[10:50:05] <hans_> release?
• 1259[10:50:27] <hans_> cat /etc/*release*
• 1260[10:50:30] <bendem> buster
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• 1262[10:51:12] <ratrace> it's imagick with a C. php-imagick
• 1263[10:51:17] <bendem> added more info to the paste
• 1264[10:51:24] <ratrace> ,v php-imagick
• 1265[10:51:25] <judd> Package: php-imagick on amd64 -- stretch: 3.4.3~rc2-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.4.3~rc2-2+deb9u1; buster: 3.4.3-4.1; bullseye: 3.4.4-3; sid: 3.4.4-4
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• 1268[10:51:42] <hans_> haha nice1
• 1269[10:53:40] <bendem> alright, I don't get it, I'm pretty sure I tried by copy pasting the name from package.debian.org yesterday in case I did a dumb mispell
• 1270[10:53:43] <bendem> but alright :)
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• 1273[10:54:13] <bendem> also, not sure why apt search "php7.3-i" doesn't show it
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• 1275[10:55:02] <bendem> oh look, apt search php-i shows it
• 1276[10:55:10] <bendem> thank ratrace
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• 1278[10:58:42] <ratrace> php-* packages with no version are either metapackages for versioned ones, or pear/pecl things that are version agnostic, like imagemagick wrapper is.
• 1279[10:58:56] <ratrace> with no version in package name, I mean.
• 1280[11:00:27] <bendem> right, so php7.3-imagick is just a redirection so it doesn't appear in searches
• 1281[11:00:35] <bendem> makes sense
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• 1284[11:01:03] <bendem> I still don't understand how I only ever mispelled it in my console and not in my browser :P
• 1285[11:01:57] <ratrace> there is no php7.3-imagick at all
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• 1288[11:04:14] <bendem> there is though replaced-url
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• 1290[11:06:28] <ratrace> it's just a virtual "provides" entry, not a package
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• 1305[11:19:59] <phototaku_> hello
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• 1307[11:20:15] <phototaku_> anyone here?
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• 1316[11:21:49] <takubell> /list
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• 1325[11:23:42] <phototakutaku> hi
• 1326[11:23:46] <phototakutaku> test
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• 1329[11:24:09] <jim> lo-test
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• 1335[11:25:19] <phototakutaku> test
• 1336[11:25:22] <phototakutaku> exit
• 1337[11:25:30] <ratrace> fail
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• 1341[11:26:12] <takubell__> hi
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• 1352[11:28:05] <phototaku__> How am I supposed to know that?
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• 1358[11:29:16] <phototaku__> Hullo
• 1359[11:29:45] <ratrace> phototaku__: hi, do you have a Debian support question?
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• 1370[11:32:21] <lordmango> Anybody use brave-browser?
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• 1373[11:32:30] <ratrace> !anyone
• 1374[11:32:30] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 1376[11:35:55] <lordmango> Noted. Let's rephrase - I can't launch brave-browser without --no-sandbox flag, this issue I opened on the brave community can give more context: replaced-url
• 1377[11:36:15] <lordmango> Any guidelines to troubleshoot this more effectively?
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• 1379[11:36:58] <lordmango> And is it even a good idea to run with the --no-sandbox flag?
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• 1381[11:40:08] <AndreasLutro> lordmango: if that's your forum post - you wrote "expected result" but didn't actually write what does happen when you run `brave-browser`. do you get an error? I know that with chromium you need to install the chromium-sandbox package separately, maybe there's something similar for brave
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• 1384[11:43:42] <lordmango> AndreasLutro: facepalm - don't know how I missed that, thanks, I'll update the forum post with the error and try installing the chromium-sandbox. Thanks.
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• 1397[11:49:23] <lordmango> AndreasLutro: FYI this is what I get when I try to run brave-browser: use/bin/brave-browser: line 48: 634 Trace/breakpoint trap “HERE/brave" "@”
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• 1476[12:35:58] <Sc0utonLinux> What do you guys use as Skype alternative ?
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• 1479[12:37:37] <joepublic> I use riot.im or jitsi
• 1480[12:38:06] <tarzeau> Sc0utonLinux: zoom riot and facetime
• 1481[12:38:19] <tarzeau> Sc0utonLinux: avoiding all google/facebook/microsoft products as much as possible
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• 1483[12:38:36] <tarzeau> (fb messanger, whatsup, skype, hangouts)
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• 1486[12:39:14] <kats99> I use Zoiper with asterisk
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• 1491[12:42:42] <rotaticus> i heard mumble was an option to the voip stuff
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• 1493[12:44:58] <joepublic> mumble works very well but isn't video I don't think
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• 1496[12:49:10] <Voyager82> Hi. I have the following problem. I recently got internet in my home, with optical fiber. I have a couple of old computers, that are not able to connect to the modem/router with ethernet cable, because my understanding is that their network card is to old to process the fast data coming from the modem. I would like to install Linux on them, using minimal CD. What's the best solution?
• 1497[12:51:01] <joepublic> specifically how slow does your wired router go, and how fast do these machines' ethernet go?
• 1498[12:51:46] <Voyager82> joepublic, I don't know. Simply, when I connect to the router with the cable, the OS does not find any cable network.
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• 1500[12:52:28] <joepublic> the solutions that occur are (1) change out the machines' network cards for faster ones; (2) use usb gigabit wired ethernet adapters, or (3) introduce a 10/100/1000 hub/switch between the router and the machines
• 1501[12:53:00] <joepublic> does any of this sound helpful?
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• 1503[12:53:21] <rotaticus> check cable ...
• 1504[12:53:30] <Voyager82> joepublic, both imply buying new hardware.
• 1505[12:53:55] <joepublic> if you have all incompatible hardware, yes, you got to buy something somewhere.
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• 1507[12:54:09] <Voyager82> Is there is something that I could do with the settings of my router?
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• 1509[12:54:34] <joepublic> I don't know. About your router, I only know what you have told me which is not much.
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• 1511[12:55:38] <rotaticus> connect two slow computers directly ... do they ping? is the wire good? if it is, you can go further
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• 1514[12:56:07] <Voyager82> joepublic, I don't know exactly what kind of information to provide, since I'm not an expert. Have you ever encountered a similar problem?
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• 1518[12:57:06] <joepublic> Voyager82, with wired ethernet, yes, in that some newer devices will go 100/1000mbit or faster, while some older devices only do 10mbit, a solution is to put a 10/100mbit hub/switch between them
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• 1521[12:57:27] <joepublic> and by older devices, I mean they probably have rust on them if they only do 10mbit
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• 1523[12:58:42] <Voyager82> joepublic, should I be able to find this type of adaper in my local store, or is it something specific that I can find only in specialized shops?
• 1524[12:59:19] <joepublic> Well, I dunno where you live, but it should be pretty easy to find a 10/100 switch/hub for less than US$20
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• 1527[13:00:24] <joepublic> if that's the problem then you might get some usb wifi sticks with atheros chipset, well-supported under linux kernels and faster than 10mbit
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• 1533[13:01:54] <Voyager82> joepublic, the problem is actually when installing Linux. Some are able to recognize the Wi-Fi network when installing Linux, but not the Ethernet network. Some, the opposite. I want to be sure, before I erase my HDD, without a way to come back. :)
• 1534[13:02:56] <joepublic> that sounds more like a firmware problem. some devices do not work with free software and demand the introduction of non-free firmware
• 1535[13:03:03] <dff> hi all, i need to save the broadcom wifi drivers on a usb to work with a fresh minimal install of debian. finding that package was easy, but it has a bunch of dependencies, is there an easy way to bundle the drivers with all the dependencies?
• 1536[13:03:25] <joepublic> for one of the computers, do you know what specific chipset wifi and/or ethernet it has?
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• 1538[13:04:21] <Voyager82> joepublic, I don't have this information now, but I should be able to get it. But, if that is the problem, how should I install the updated firmware, at installation?
• 1539[13:05:02] <joepublic> you should use hardware that works with all free software. Failing that, debian has unofficial install images with non-free firmware baked into them.
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• 1541[13:05:48] <dff> joepublic: that is easier said than done :)
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• 1544[13:07:17] <Voyager82> joepublic, do you think I could this safely? I mean, start the procedure for installing Linux, and stop only when the installation program cannot find internet? I'm not sure if, up to that point, something was written on the HDD.
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• 1546[13:07:41] <joepublic> nothing is written to the hard drive until you confirm partitioning.
• 1547[13:08:02] <Voyager82> joepublic, I don't remember if partitioning is after or before the installation program connects to the internet.
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• 1549[13:08:35] <joepublic> my memory is equally fuzzy, but logically it should be before
• 1550[13:08:42] <frontrunnerrr> can you try with a LIVE image, booting from usb and testing the hw?
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• 1552[13:09:06] <Voyager82> frontrunnerrr, I could, yes.
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• 1554[13:09:41] <Voyager82> joepublic, frontrunnerrr, anyway, I should stop at partitioning, anyhow. Nothing can be written on the HDD before that.
• 1555[13:09:49] <joepublic> right.
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• 1557[13:10:25] <Voyager82> It sounds pretty logic.
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• 1559[13:11:38] <Voyager82> Is it possible to insert a Wi-Fi passoword, at installation?
• 1560[13:11:44] <joepublic> yes, of course
• 1561[13:12:04] <frontrunnerrr> from live image, use commands lspci lsusb to check hardware
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• 1564[13:12:38] <frontrunnerrr> ifconfig -a
• 1565[13:12:48] <frontrunnerrr> will show your network devices
• 1566[13:13:14] <rotaticus> it is still ifconfig?
• 1567[13:13:37] <Voyager82> frontrunnerrr, I'm afraid it's the hardware actually. My computers are like 10 years old, or something. I remember I installed some non-free firmware, but hardware still does not work.
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• 1569[13:14:42] <frontrunnerrr> ok...
• 1570[13:14:47] <rotaticus> muhuahahahahahaha ONLY 10 years .... im on i386
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• 1573[13:15:40] <Voyager82> rotaticus, respect. :D
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• 1576[13:16:42] <rotaticus> Voyager82: naaa its not nice ... its strange ... but thanks ... go for firmware iso
• 1577[13:17:05] <kats99> I used the first CD and it did ask me to enter WiFi password to download the rest of the packages.
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• 1579[13:19:58] <rotaticus> there is a nonfree firmware included iso somewhere ... could someone enlighten us with a link? firefox takes ages to start
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• 1583[13:22:40] <Bushmaster> hi folks
• 1584[13:22:59] <Bushmaster> my youtube-dl in debian stopped working, can anyone help please
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• 1607[13:41:04] <iateadonut> what is a possible reason i can't grep a 644 file? (permission denied)
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• 1616[13:46:26] <dreamer> hmm, I sent a bugreport using the `reportbug kernel` cli command, but now I'm not sure if it was actually sent
• 1617[13:46:37] <dreamer> I can't find it on replaced-url
• 1618[13:46:54] <dreamer> (and I did notice I didn't fill in my email, it just used <user>@<hostname> as the From address)
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• 1647[14:09:20] * dreamer will try again
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• 1656[14:15:21] <dreamer> weird. the report just doesn't show up. I guess it's curated first?
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• 1660[14:16:23] <rotaticus> maybe look at your /etc/reportbug.conf or depending your mta settings ... does mutt work?
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• 1662[14:16:34] <mspe> Bushmaster: since there are no extra dependencies than python3, I ended up pinning it from sid
• 1663[14:16:48] <mspe> cause youtube spends its time changing its api to fuck up with tools like that
• 1664[14:17:03] <Bushmaster> mspe thanks, i have managed to resolve it
• 1665[14:17:27] <mspe> did you just download the binary outside of the mirrors? ^^
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• 1667[14:22:51] <dreamer> rotaticus: hmm, I added the --email= option this time around. still don't see the bug appear
• 1668[14:23:40] <dreamer> don't have mutt installed
• 1669[14:23:46] <trek00> dreamer: you should see a logline inside /var/log/mail.log
• 1670[14:24:05] <dreamer> thxn, I'll have a look
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• 1672[14:24:36] <dreamer> hmm, there is no mail.log
• 1673[14:25:34] <dreamer> hmm, I guess I need postfix or sendmail installed?
• 1674[14:25:49] <dreamer> this is a relatively simple buster install
• 1675[14:25:54] <trek00> dreamer: it depends by your reportbug configuration, it can use a remote mail server
• 1676[14:26:16] <dreamer> well I haven't configured any of this. I just saw that it's recommended to use reportbug, so I'd assume that it comes with all dependencies ;)
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• 1681[14:26:42] <dreamer> there is no mta specified
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• 1683[14:27:40] <trek00> dreamer: check this replaced-url
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• 1687[14:28:19] <dreamer> ah yes. so I need to first install sendmail
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• 1690[14:28:51] <trek00> dreamer: you can also directly use a remote smtp server
• 1691[14:28:58] <dreamer> well that would be more effort
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• 1697[14:29:07] <dreamer> because then I have to figure out what smtp server to use and its settings
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• 1702[14:33:21] <dreamer> meh, went for the gmail instructions. see what happens.
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• 1704[14:33:49] <frikinz> Hi. Anyone seeing an increase of attack tries since the last 12h? I'm in Europe.
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• 1710[14:34:19] <trek00> frikinz: not over the normal noise
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• 1715[14:35:09] <RadoS> frikinz, have you checked the watcher sites?
• 1716[14:35:40] <frikinz> No I will. Haven't done that for some time. dshield?
• 1717[14:35:49] <frikinz> thanks guys
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• 1739[14:51:33] <snowrab> hello
• 1740[14:51:46] <snowrab> songbody here?
• 1741[14:51:53] <snowrab> ????
• 1742[14:51:57] <b1ack0p> songbody?
• 1743[14:52:09] <greycat> !ask
• 1744[14:52:09] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1745[14:52:24] <snowrab> somebody haha
• 1746[14:52:34] <b1ack0p> singbody :p
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• 1749[14:52:40] <snowrab> mistakes
• 1750[14:52:45] <b1ack0p> lol
• 1751[14:52:50] <snowrab> lol
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• 1753[14:53:47] <snowrab> !john
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• 1770[15:07:07] <annadane> songbody once told me the world was gonna roll me, i ain't the sharpest tool in the shed
• 1771[15:07:36] <diogenes_> Shrek :)
• 1772[15:08:56] <greycat> it's, uh, a song by Smashmouth. with onee word changed.
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• 1774[15:09:32] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1775[15:09:35] <annadane> the memes keep coming and they don't stop coming
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• 1785[15:13:35] <mms_> I have tried nonfree and debian iso to make usb boot but both give same issue of after main menu screen graphical install screen is blurred with thick horizontal lines and make it not usable to progress.
• 1786[15:14:09] <mms_> I have tried win32imagewriter, rufus and also two pen drives but results stay unchanged
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• 1788[15:14:26] <greycat> have you tried using the text installer instead of the graphical installer?
• 1789[15:14:35] <mms_> my hardware is msi x370 gaming pro with latest bios, ssd, hdd.
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• 1791[15:14:52] <mms_> greycat: yes it fails at point of could not find cd rom
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• 1794[15:15:56] <mms_> greycat: some times I get that issue and some times again all garbage pixel screen
• 1795[15:15:57] <greycat> well, the part number you just gave is apparently a motherboard, and the mfg's web site says it "supports AMD Ryzen 1st and 2nd Gen", so maybe this hardware is just too new for stable
• 1796[15:16:43] <mms_> greycat: well it works already from hdd
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• 1799[15:17:21] <greycat> you mean you installed Debian 10 onto the hard drive from another computer, moved the hard drive to this computer, booted it, and it works? then you don't need the installer...
• 1800[15:17:23] <mms_> greycat: I think I installed fine on hdd some time back but now I got new ssd and trying to insall to it and now its failing.
• 1801[15:18:10] <mms_> greycat: no my pc I had hdd only and it was win and debian both. I wanted to upgrade to ssd so now I am installing on it same setup.
• 1802[15:18:18] <greycat> and also, why on earth would you try to make CDs or USBs from Windows if you have a working bootable Debian ...
• 1803[15:18:40] <mms_> greycat: hdd is one that is working bootable debain. now I get new ssd.
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• 1806[15:19:09] <mms_> greycat: hdd is slow so want to start uisng things using ssd.
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• 1808[15:19:14] <greycat> So boot Debian, and either write the installer to media from there, or simply use debootstrap to install onto the other drive.
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• 1810[15:19:55] <greycat> I'm still wondering whether Ryzen is actually supported in Debian 10, though. And dpkg doesn't seem to know much about it.
• 1811[15:20:16] <mms_> greycat: its already running on my pc.
• 1812[15:20:32] <mms_> greycat: I can run it I confirmed yesterday.
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• 1815[15:22:20] <mms_> greycat: not sure what happened. same usb and machine now gives this error when again trying to boot using it and install.
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• 1818[15:23:54] <trek00> mms_: the textual installer should be fine, may be it get confused by the old hdd?
• 1819[15:23:56] <mms_> greycat: you think same hdd with win, debian if it was using intel processor will work, boot os on amd ?
• 1820[15:24:15] <mms_> trek00: so suggest to take hdd off and try ?
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• 1822[15:24:21] <greycat> it's worth a shot
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• 1824[15:24:44] <mms_> greycat: ok I will try but strange it shows menu fine and then gets lost
• 1825[15:24:53] <mms_> but will give it a shot.
• 1826[15:24:54] <mms_> thanks.
• 1827[15:24:55] <trek00> mms_: check also the log VT, may be it writes why it can't find the cdimage
• 1828[15:25:08] <mms_> trek00: how to check ?
• 1829[15:25:37] <mms_> trek00: it clearly stays could not find cd media etc.
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• 1831[15:25:46] <trek00> mms_: it should be the last tty, try with ALT-F1 ALT-F2 etc
• 1832[15:25:57] <mms_> trek00: ok
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• 1834[15:26:06] <mms_> one more thing I can keep in mind
• 1835[15:26:08] <trek00> mms_: the cd image should be inside your usb stick
• 1836[15:26:21] <mms_> trek00: correct that I guess
• 1837[15:26:46] <mms_> ok with those two things to try I will be back once I do them
• 1838[15:26:48] <mms_> thanks bye
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• 1949[16:35:59] <ska> Running Deb10, and youtube on firefox changes my Pulseaudio level to 100%. How can I get pulseaudio to not allow sources to change master volume?
• 1950[16:38:04] <ska> I've tried flat-volumes=no in the defaults file for pulse.
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• 1955[16:40:56] <trek00> ska: it seems an unfixed bug replaced-url
• 1956[16:41:33] <trek00> ska: but they are talking about application volume, not master volume
• 1957[16:41:38] <ska> trek00: I got it working, I forgot to remove the semi-colon off the default value.. doh!
• 1958[16:41:57] <trek00> :)
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• 1960[16:42:18] <ska> trek00: I find it easier to just do manual management of sound: ie. dumb controls are smarter ;)
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• 1965[16:43:46] <trek00> ska: me too, so never installed pulseaudio :)
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• 1968[16:44:35] <greycat> I never did either until yesterday
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• 1972[16:44:56] <annadane> flat=volumes = yes is the worst default
• 1973[16:45:02] <annadane> flat-volumes*
• 1974[16:45:29] <annadane> practically the first thing i do on new installs is set it to no
• 1975[16:46:08] <trek00> a friend of mine have an annoying problem with pulseaudio, but i cannot figure how to fix it: without pulseaudio, the soundcard stream the line-in to the speakers, but with pusleaudio not, even if i enable the loopback module
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• 2007[17:08:58] <greycat> disk filled up during the compression, so the compression didn't actually finish/succeed?
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• 2009[17:09:24] <Haohmaru> it got tired?
• 2010[17:09:38] <trek00> :D
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• 2022[17:15:24] <ska> trek00: what audio do you use then?
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• 2028[17:16:06] <trek00> ska: directly the ALSA kernel drivers
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• 2030[17:16:39] <ska> trek00: Thats not fiddly to get working?
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• 2036[17:17:31] <trek00> ska: no, it just works, but you need to setup the volume levels the first time, with alsamixer or similar
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• 2038[17:20:04] <trek00> ska: this contains many info to setup alsa (on arch, but commands are same on debian) replaced-url
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• 2043[17:24:51] <karlpinc> !alsa checklist
• 2044[17:24:52] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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• 2056[17:30:09] <sponix2ipfw> I always say install and play with pavucontrol for levels 1st
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• 2062[17:32:39] <trek00> sponix2ipfw: this is ok if you have pulseaudio installed
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• 2067[17:34:18] <kreyren> How do i get /dev/fb0 on debian? replaced-url
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• 2069[17:35:00] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: That's possible, although there is space now.
• 2070[17:35:36] <trek00> kreyren: do you have installed the non-free nvidia drivers?
• 2071[17:36:03] <kreyren> trek00: yes replaced-url
• 2072[17:36:04] <trek00> kreyren: sorry, you have
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• 2076[17:37:12] <jhutchins_wk> kreyren: You might check dmesg, see if it has any clues.
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• 2079[17:37:52] <kreyren> jhutchins_wk: nothing that i can see replaced-url
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• 2084[17:39:04] <towo`> kreyren, is the nvidia kernel module loaded?
• 2085[17:39:05] <trek00> kreyren: [ 2571.697338] NVRM: GPU 0000:06:00.0: RmInitAdapter failed! (0x53:0x65:2081)
• 2086[17:39:39] <kreyren> towo`: affirm replaced-url
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• 2088[17:39:52] <kreyren> trek00: checking
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• 2092[17:41:59] <kreyren> trek00: i can't find anything helpful on quicksearch about it.
• 2093[17:42:48] <trek00> kreyren: me too
• 2094[17:43:04] * kreyren is trying to yolo on sid release
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• 2097[17:43:49] <trek00> kreyren: may be the kernel version is too new? replaced-url
• 2098[17:43:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2100[17:44:37] <kreyren> trek00: using 5.4.0 kernel from debian
• 2101[17:44:57] <kreyren> 5.4.0-4-amd64
• 2102[17:45:06] <trek00> kreyren: may be nvidia haven't yet updated their drivers to the latest kernel?
• 2103[17:45:45] <kreyren> trek00: possible
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• 2108[17:51:48] <kreyren> what is the new way of writing `apt remove nvidia-*` assuming that apt2.0 does not accept '*' anymore
• 2109[17:51:59] <trek00> kreyren: well, it seems it should be supported up to linux 5.6rc
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• 2116[17:53:50] * kreyren regexed it from apt-list then
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• 2120[17:54:36] <kreyren> trek00: what do you suggest then?
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• 2124[17:58:09] <trek00> kreyren: sorry i have no idea, if you need a 2D display, may be you can try with nouveau, but no 3d and no reclocking will be available
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• 2126[17:59:21] <kreyren> trek00: i need vulkan otherwise i would be using nouveau
• 2127[17:59:29] <kreyren> it has better performance on GTX970
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• 2130[18:01:19] <trek00> kreyren: may be this? replaced-url
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• 2132[18:01:46] <kreyren> trek00: i don
• 2133[18:01:58] <kreyren> trek00: i dont have GUI and it's unreadable in TUI -> tldr please?
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• 2135[18:03:21] <trek00> kreyren: they says: Please check if the kernel parameter acpi_osi=! acpi_osi="Windows 2009" works around it. If not, please check if uninstalling/disabling bbswitch makes the nvidia gpu available.
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• 2139[18:04:56] <kreyren> trek00: it rather seems that it depends on /dev/fb0 though
• 2140[18:05:00] <kreyren> which is not present on my system
• 2141[18:05:29] <trek00> kreyren: it is not pesent because it is provided by the nvidia kernel driver, that it is not initialized
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• 2143[18:05:53] <kreyren> trek00: is that supposed to be part of nvidia-kernel-dkms package?
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• 2145[18:06:49] <trek00> kreyren: yes, your setup should be fine, but for some reason the nvidia driver fails to initialize the card
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• 2148[18:07:39] <kreyren> checking
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• 2150[18:08:05] <rapha> hi
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• 2152[18:08:42] <rapha> slowly moving an old debian box to a newer version. so far all is good, except now two packages. how can i figure out what is going wrong here and fix it? replaced-url
• 2153[18:08:46] <kreyren> trek00: let me try systemrescuecd to see if it loads it
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• 2162[18:10:35] <trek00> rapha: what debian version was installed before the upgrade?
• 2163[18:10:42] <dvs> rapha, looks like systemd messed up again
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• 2171[18:12:45] <user0> The Asterisk server.
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• 2174[18:13:00] <ratrace> rapha: quite the contrary it looks like sysv initscripts dun goof'd. there's also backports in there. how is this upgrade done exactly? and from which version to which version?
• 2175[18:13:02] <user0> What about the asterisk server?
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• 2177[18:13:42] <user0> I cant configure it on debian as it is explained in the documentation.
• 2178[18:14:29] <ratrace> user0: what documentation? did you install it with apt?
• 2179[18:14:36] <rapha> trek00: 7 ... going to 8
• 2180[18:15:39] <user0> yes from the debian repository
• 2181[18:15:42] <rapha> ratrace: this is after me having removed everything thirdparty (that i was able to find!) and having inserted jessie repos in sources.list, then done "apt-get upgrade" (no "apt-get dist-upgrade" ran yet)
• 2182[18:16:34] <ratrace> rapha: but you've got backports still. I'm not sure there's a supported upgrade path with packages from backports
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• 2190[18:17:55] <user0> ratrace: I installed the package from the debian repository. But it seems that /etc/asterisk/extensions.conf has no effect. It says extension not found even though i defined it in the file.
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• 2196[18:19:00] <trek00> rapha: please to check if mountkernfs is enabled: ls -l /etc/*.d/*mountkernfs.sh* it should output /etc/rcS.d/S01mountkernfs.sh -> ../init.d/mountkernfs.sh and /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh should be executable
• 2197[18:19:30] <rapha> ratrace: if need be i can break things to figure out what exactly is wrong and then start over.
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• 2199[18:20:37] <jhutchins_wk> rapha: Backports should be supported.
• 2200[18:20:43] <rapha> trek00: it says /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh directly, and yes it's executable.
• 2201[18:21:14] <rapha> trek00: ratrace: this used to be a machine on bare metal, then it got converted into a VM a few years back. is it possible that those two packages are not even needed anymore?
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• 2203[18:21:17] <usney> hi
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• 2205[18:22:42] <trek00> rapha: may be you should reinstall the initscript package, but you can try at first: update-rc.d mountkernfs.sh defaults
• 2206[18:22:53] <rapha> trek00: fwiw /dev/md/ is empty.
• 2207[18:22:55] <rapha> okay
• 2208[18:23:26] <rapha> hmm, okay, that update-rc.d gave the same message. i'll try the reinstall.
• 2209[18:23:47] <trek00> rapha: mdadm is relevant only for raid configurations, ifupdown is required to bring up the network
• 2210[18:24:33] <rapha> the former must have gone the way of the dodo when it stopped being metal. the latter sounds kind of important ^^
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• 2212[18:25:10] <dvs> usney, hi
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• 2214[18:25:58] <capsunica_> hey
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• 2218[18:26:24] <ratrace> rapha: well in general what you installed from backports on previous version is now available regularly on the upgraded version.
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• 2220[18:26:50] <dvs> or even newer
• 2221[18:27:09] <ratrace> or it's even newer, yes.
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• 2225[18:28:52] <Tizef> hi guys ! i am on buster Xfce... Can I save all my .deb from /var/cache/apt/archive/ on a disk... install a debian buster net install... and pick from the .deb I saved to install softwares instead of downloading it again... I don't much data, very expensive in my country, thank you guys !
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• 2229[18:29:41] <greycat> if it's the same Debian version and architecture, yes, you could do that... but if some of your .deb files are older than the versions currently on the mirrors, they'll be ignored
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• 2231[18:29:51] <rapha> trek00: what i don't understand is: shouldn't that update-rc.d command re-set everything to its default values? so why does it complain about them not being the defaults?
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• 2233[18:32:04] <trek00> rapha: not, it maintains your configuration, but if you remove with --purge and the reinstall the package, the configuration is reset
• 2234[18:32:50] <Tizef> Thank you greycat, I guess they will be older ! pretty sure about that
• 2235[18:33:16] <rapha> trek00: unfortunately there is no package called "*mountkernfs*"
• 2236[18:33:29] <trek00> rapha: it is inside initscripts package
• 2237[18:33:37] <rapha> which i can't remove, let alone purge
• 2238[18:33:42] <rapha> only --reinstall
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• 2242[18:35:04] <trek00> rapha: what says exactly the update-rc.d command?
• 2243[18:35:24] <rapha> update-rc.d: warning: default start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match mountkernfs.sh Default-Start values (S)
• 2244[18:35:35] <rapha> there are dozens of those though when reinstalling initscripts
• 2245[18:35:41] <Tizef> greycat what if I update all in synaptic before reinstall?
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• 2248[18:35:47] <rapha> i think it really would be a good idea to purge and then reinstall, if that were possible
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• 2250[18:36:11] <greycat> Tizef: whatever files are in the directory will be used if they are the most current versions available at the time you try to install packages
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• 2254[18:36:53] <trek00> rapha: ok, then try update-rc.d -f mountkernfs.sh remove && update-rc.d mountkernfs.sh defaults
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• 2256[18:37:14] <yes> i'm having issues connecting a pair of bluetooth headphones to debian-buster
• 2257[18:37:26] <Tizef> greycat and that is even without internet connexion?
• 2258[18:37:38] <yes> i'm starting to think it's an actual hardware issue with my laptop, not really software, but there's still a chance that i'm just missing some kernel mod
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• 2260[18:38:08] <yes> i figured this channel might be a good jumping off point in case i need deeper expertise
• 2261[18:38:15] <trek00> yes: do you have pulseaudio?
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• 2263[18:38:38] <yes> trek00: yes, but i'm not that far along. the symptom is that i cannot pair
• 2264[18:38:48] <rapha> trek00: same warnings again. that's weird.
• 2265[18:38:56] <yes> i cannot pair because the headphones don't show up when i put the bluetooth driver into scan mode
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• 2268[18:39:25] <yes> my android phone can connect to them, and i dumped a full syslog (as root) from the android phone during the connection with the hope that i might glean some relevant details
• 2269[18:39:30] <trek00> rapha: sorry i don't know, it seems strange to me, how it booted before?
• 2270[18:39:33] <dvs> yes, apt install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth perhaps?
• 2271[18:39:42] <yes> dvs: already installed
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• 2274[18:40:14] <yes> dvs: version 13.0-5
• 2275[18:40:15] <rapha> trek00: sure it has booted many times. hundreds. this thing was first installed in 2005 or 2006. the funky thing is: the mountkernfs symlink now has today's date.
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• 2278[18:40:47] <dvs> ,v pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
• 2279[18:40:48] <judd> Package: pulseaudio-module-bluetooth on amd64 -- jessie: 5.0-13; stretch: 10.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 12.2-4+deb10u1; buster-backports: 13.0-3~bpo10+1; bullseye: 13.0-5; sid: 13.0-5; experimental: 13.99.1-1
• 2280[18:40:57] <trek00> rapha: now it have a symlink? good it should be ok
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• 2283[18:41:12] <dvs> yes, you're at least on testing or unstable
• 2284[18:41:21] <yes> dvs: sorry, you're right, i'm on testing
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• 2286[18:41:27] <yes> i forgot that buster is stable now :P
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• 2288[18:42:00] <yes> bllseye: i'm on bullseye
• 2289[18:42:08] <yes> sorry, the b's sorta collapsed for me there
• 2290[18:42:16] <rapha> trek00: hmm, okay. and with nothing in /dev/md/ and no "md" anywhere int `mounts` that should be fine, too.
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• 2292[18:42:49] <trek00> replaced-url
• 2293[18:42:54] <trek00> sorry
• 2294[18:43:17] <rapha> trek00: what does it say there and why is the person toasting a glass?
• 2295[18:43:27] <rapha> dafuq? what's with the gun?!
• 2296[18:43:45] <trek00> rapha: it should be fine with mdadm, but try to reinstall ifupdown now that mountkernfs.sh is enabled
• 2297[18:44:22] <trek00> rapha: i pasted the last link in error, sorry
• 2298[18:44:26] <yes> so, basically, i'm trying to diagnose whether these headphones are transmitting on some band or frequency or modulation such that this laptop simply cannot see it, or whether i've got an issue that software could fix
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• 2300[18:45:31] <trek00> yes: probably it's a software pairing problem, not hardware
• 2301[18:45:45] <yes> trek00: i'm holding out hope for that for now :)
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• 2303[18:46:48] <rapha> trek00: already did (reinstall ifupdown). now seeing if mysql and dovecot are still happy.
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• 2305[18:47:10] <yes> trek00: using bluetoothctl `scan on`, i see basically all the other devices around---i tried with a bluetooth speaker i have, i can see my wife's car, etc
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• 2307[18:47:22] <yes> trek00: but i'm yet to see the mac address of these speakers
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• 2312[18:47:59] <trek00> rapha: I hope the other scripts are enabled, if not you should run update-rc.d on them
• 2313[18:48:33] <trek00> yes: may be you should press some buttons on the headphones to start pairing?
• 2314[18:48:46] <yes> trek00: yah, i can keep fiddling with that
• 2315[18:48:50] <yes> you may be right
• 2316[18:48:59] <Tizef> greycat is that not what I am looking for ? replaced-url
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• 2330[18:58:04] <rapha> trek00: done with all of them.
• 2331[18:58:11] <Deknos> where does debian store/publish the installation recipes for its debian images for the vagrant box store?
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• 2333[18:59:10] <trek00> rapha: hope it will boot ok, but usually I fresh install a new system instead of updating it, because i find it less error prone
• 2334[18:59:36] <rapha> trek00: i will keep going until it's on systemd before i attempt a reboot.
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• 2359[19:12:44] <rapha> hmm nice, mysql and dovecot came right back up
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• 2362[19:18:09] <michel|2> why isnt there the emulator vice for c64 in the debian repository?
• 2363[19:18:55] <greycat> ,info vice
• 2364[19:18:56] <judd> Package vice (contrib/otherosfs, optional) in buster/amd64: Versatile Commodore Emulator. Version: 3.3.0.dfsg-2; Size: 5073.0k; Installed: 32954k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2365[19:18:57] <trek00> michel|2: you need to add contrib section
• 2366[19:19:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1549
• 2367[19:19:12] <greycat> !non-free sources
• 2368[19:19:12] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
• 2369[19:20:02] <michel|2> thankyou
• 2370[19:21:01] <jhutchins_wk> Is there any reason not to use /var/log/tomcat/* as the file definition in a logrotate conf? They're mostly .log but one is .txt
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• 2374[19:23:09] <annadane> i forget which one it is, i think it's needing non-free in your sources.list if you install contrib software, and not vice versa
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• 2376[19:23:14] <annadane> it has to be that
• 2377[19:23:17] <annadane> so never mind
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• 2380[19:23:36] <greycat> non-free needs contrib; contrib doesn't typically need non-free
• 2381[19:23:42] <greycat> but if you're using one, you probably just add the other
• 2382[19:23:46] <annadane> oh really? ok
• 2383[19:23:52] <annadane> but yeah you should just have all 3 there anyway
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• 2391[19:30:13] <AndroUser> Hello
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• 2393[19:31:10] <AndroUser> Hi
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• 2401[19:35:47] <A|an> In a make file, what does the colon represent: NORMAL_UNINSTALL = :
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• 2403[19:36:05] <greycat> It's a literal : which is a shell command that does nothing.
• 2404[19:36:32] <greycat> I'm guessing this variable is placed in front of some command, and when the variable is set to : it makes the command do nothing.
• 2405[19:36:42] <A|an> Does that mean that make install isn't operational for this makefile?
• 2406[19:36:53] <greycat> It means read the rest of the file and see how the variable is used.
• 2407[19:36:54] <A|an> make uninstall, that is
• 2408[19:37:05] <A|an> ic
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• 2427[19:47:41] <frontrunnerrr> Bye
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• 2431[19:50:50] <mutantturkey> can you pull a specific cpan version using dh-make-perl
• 2432[19:51:03] <mutantturkey> i tried --version but that seems to just be an overrider for the packaged verison, not actually pulling down the cpan versoin
• 2433[19:51:28] <mutantturkey> eg: Package::Bob --version 0.1 pulls the most recent version, but will label it 0.1 (useful when version mismatches, but doesnt let me pull old ones)
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• 2448[20:00:56] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Does anyone know where to .desktop files are generated? Are they generated by the programs' writers, or are they generated when they are packaged for Debian?
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• 2450[20:03:41] <mutantturkey> Lady_Aleena: upstream i'd guess
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• 2452[20:04:51] <Lady_Aleena> mutantturkey, what does "upstream" mean?
• 2453[20:05:07] <greycat> !upstream
• 2454[20:05:07] <dpkg> i guess upstream is where Debian developers download software from. replaced-url
• 2455[20:05:07] <Lady_Aleena> ...specifically for Debian.
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• 2458[20:05:21] <greycat> upstream is the opposite of "specifically for Debian"
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• 2460[20:06:05] <mutantturkey> Lady_Aleena: upstream is: some project, like firefox
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• 2462[20:06:24] <mutantturkey> in this example, firefox is upstream, and debian takes their code and packages it up nicely
• 2463[20:06:40] <Lady_Aleena> mutantturkey, so the program writers' write their own .desktop files.
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• 2467[20:09:00] <trek00> Lady_Aleena: usually yes, sometimes .desktop are written by packagers
• 2468[20:09:25] <trek00> Lady_Aleena: i don't know if a generator exist, but they are simple .ini files
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• 2472[20:10:00] <Lady_Aleena> trek00, it looks like that might be the case, because I am looking at the .desktop that is on the program's GitHub is different from what I have.
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• 2475[20:11:16] <trek00> Lady_Aleena: also it may be the package you have is older than the github version
• 2476[20:11:41] <Lady_Aleena> trek, my version has language support that the one on GitHub doesn't.
• 2477[20:11:58] <Lady_Aleena> s/that/than/;
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• 2479[20:12:09] <trek00> Lady_Aleena: well, this probably is done by the translation teams on debian
• 2480[20:12:17] <Lady_Aleena> Actually not...I should not ask questions when I am still waking up.
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• 2483[20:13:45] <mutantturkey> Lady_Aleena: it's easy to verify, if you go to packages.debian.org
• 2484[20:13:56] <mutantturkey> you can find the source file and debian files attached to your version of that package
• 2485[20:14:01] <mutantturkey> then you can see, where is this deskktop file from
• 2486[20:15:03] <tharkun> Good $DAY I need to extract some frames out of a video. What is my lightweight weapon of choice? I use xfce and my laptop has limited resources.
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• 2488[20:15:46] <trek00> tharkun: mpv
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• 2493[20:16:46] <trek00> tharkun: go to the time position you want to screenshot, then pause, step forward or backward pressing . and , and take a screenshot pressing s
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• 2497[20:17:02] <tharkun> trek00: Thanks you are a life saver.
• 2498[20:17:06] <trek00> :)
• 2499[20:17:20] <trek00> tharkun: man mpv to see all keybindings
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• 2503[20:18:20] <tharkun> trek00: once again. Thanks :)
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• 2511[20:23:20] <brutser> guys, i installed win10 guest qemu-kvm on deb10, what is the way to get the best graphics performance on the guest, what config should i pick and what kernel modules i must load etc?
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• 2514[20:23:54] <brutser> i know i can't play games on the vm, i will need to passthrough the gpu, that's not what i'm after
• 2515[20:24:06] <tharkun> trek00: Works like a charm :D :*
• 2516[20:24:08] <brutser> i just want set screen resolution to the same as the host monitor
• 2517[20:24:09] <trek00> wow these dynamic range compression plugins for alsa are awesome! no more too loud or too quiet audio: replaced-url
• 2518[20:24:20] <brutser> and be able to watch a youtube on the guest
• 2519[20:24:24] <trek00> tharkun: :)
• 2520[20:24:50] <brutser> and (this has nothing to do with the display) being able to copy/paste text from clipboard
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• 2522[20:25:01] <brutser> can anyone help me with this?
• 2523[20:26:50] <trek00> brutser: i think virtual drivers are called virgl
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• 2526[20:27:43] <brutser> trek00: those drivers i must use on the guest os?
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• 2530[20:28:50] <trek00> brutser: sorry i don't have good experience with graphical vm
• 2531[20:28:52] <brutser> trek00: basically i am nowhere at the moment, i got no idea what to configure/install on the host and what to do with win10 guest after install
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• 2534[20:29:07] <brutser> trek00: no problem i will wait for someone here
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• 2538[20:29:44] <trek00> brutser: for windows drivers you could check something like replaced-url
• 2539[20:30:16] <brutser> those are the virtio drivers right?
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• 2541[20:30:30] <brutser> i think i slipstreamed those drivers onto the win10 iso
• 2542[20:30:48] <brutser> all devices on the win10 guest are recognized
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• 2545[20:32:23] <trek00> brutser: if you have installed kvm-qemu on linux and those virtio drivers on windows it should run fine without 3d
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• 2550[20:35:20] <dob1> it seems node npm are broken :(
• 2551[20:35:44] <greycat> Well yeah. It's npm.
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• 2553[20:36:09] <greycat> never heard a single good thing about npm
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• 2566[20:38:24] <dob1> greycat, this is the issue replaced-url
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• 2568[20:38:54] <dob1> installing from source/binary npm/node works
• 2569[20:39:04] <greycat> It's a trap!
• 2570[20:39:11] <greycat> It's going to lull you into thinking it works.
• 2571[20:39:23] <trek00> dob1: i always install from source/binary, nodejs was never stable
• 2572[20:40:04] <waterkip> npm and nodejs
• 2573[20:40:08] <dob1> greycat, unfortunately a lot of projects depends on it so it's not possible to ignore it
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• 2575[20:40:34] <greycat> Yeah, more seriously, the underlying issue is npm is completely unstable. It changes ALL the damned time. So any stable Debian release is going to have a version that's out of date and incompatible with whatever the latest stupid crazy bullshit upstream npm version needs.
• 2576[20:40:47] <dob1> from what I read the problem is that they are in separated packages, so the npm package is not compatible with the node packge (I could be wrong)
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• 2578[20:41:34] <greycat> "Hey I know, let's do critical development work in an unstable language! Yeah! What's the worst that could happen!"
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• 2585[20:43:31] <joepublic> "It's a bad idea, but it's okay because it was somebody else's bad idea" is really not a great justification
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• 2587[20:44:10] <greycat> "They're paying me a lot to do this" is OK though. Within reason.
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• 2589[20:45:14] <Kobaz> hha
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• 2593[20:45:58] <dob1> ok but why there are 250 node packages on debian?
• 2594[20:46:10] <Kobaz> people like node?
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• 2596[20:46:46] <dob1> but if they are difficult to mantain maybe just a package make it simpler
• 2597[20:46:49] <dob1> *it is
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• 2600[20:47:23] <greycat> The "it's been 3 weeks, let's change everything again" development cycle of node/npm is fundamentally incompatible with a stable release cycle like Debian's.
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• 2602[20:47:44] <greycat> Either use Debian's node stuff, or use upstream's node stuff. Your choice.
• 2603[20:47:49] <greycat> I would not try to mix them.
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• 2606[20:48:07] <trek00> dob1: may be convienient to have some nodejs program packaged for debian, so nodejs is here, but it's not compatible with newer versions
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• 2647[21:10:26] <brutser> hi guys, i am looking for someone who got experience with setting up
• 2648[21:10:26] <brutser> windows 10 as guest in qemu-kvm (in my case on debian 10 host). i like
• 2649[21:10:27] <brutser> graphics to work as decent as possible and clipboard sharing, windows is
• 2650[21:10:27] <brutser> running, but i can't put resolution same size as screen of host,
• 2651[21:10:28] <brutser> clipboard is not working... need some help !!
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• 2654[21:11:09] <brutser> hi guys, i am looking for someone who got experience with setting up windows 10 as guest in qemu-kvm (in my case on debian 10 host). i like graphics to work as decent as possible and clipboard sharing, windows is running, but i can't put resolution same size as screen of host, clipboard is not working... need some help !!
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• 2659[21:18:43] <sponix2ipfw> brutser: if you want easy. Use the latest VirtualBox from their website.
• 2660[21:19:40] <brutser> sponix2ipfw: yea i am tempted, though i would like to get this working with kvm
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• 2671[21:25:18] <karlpinc> brutser: Any help on wiki.debian.org? Maybe in the qemu or kvm pages?
• 2672[21:25:50] <brutser> karlpinc: probably enough, but i've been there and it's taking too much time so looking for someone with experience
• 2673[21:25:55] <brutser> but i might switch to virtualbox
• 2674[21:26:00] <brutser> too much issues with kvm
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• 2676[21:28:27] <karlpinc> brutser: Isn't there a kvm gui?
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• 2678[21:28:46] <brutser> virt-manager
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• 2680[21:29:00] <DunningFreddyKru> did that old debian summer of code delta deb replacement thing become a reality?
• 2681[21:29:27] <karlpinc> brutser: Did you read the readme.debians?
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• 2683[21:29:30] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
• 2684[21:29:30] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
• 2685[21:29:44] <DunningFreddyKru> i think i've been asking about various delta stuff since... 2009? once a year, so this is my once a year ask
• 2686[21:30:53] <brutser> let me do that
• 2687[21:30:59] <trek00> DunningFreddyKru: code is already here?
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• 2692[21:31:36] <DunningFreddyKru> debdeltas are here... at least for x86 / _64
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• 2694[21:32:11] <Bushmaster> Hi , my external IP, linked with Apache server, can I have two server with one external IP?
• 2695[21:32:36] <trek00> DunningFreddyKru: interesting, may be there was some discussion on the mailing lists?
• 2696[21:32:42] <greycat> that would be some sort of reverse proxy, load balancing setup
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• 2699[21:33:07] <DunningFreddyKru> not that much of it i'm affraid, trek00
• 2700[21:33:15] <trek00> Bushmaster: yes, but what configuration do you need?
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• 2702[21:34:17] <trek00> DunningFreddyKru: sometimes more work is needed, sometimes people is focused on the latest cool viral stuff
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• 2704[21:35:34] <Bushmaster> trek00, how are you my friend, i think we spoken before, anyway, i am running apache server from Dell laptop, i want to run another apache server from Dell Dekstop
• 2705[21:35:39] <Caspan> I am running Debian 10 and what is the difference between "sudo apt install php7.3" and "sudo apt install php"
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• 2707[21:36:14] <annadane> Caspan, 'apt show php' will give you a package description
• 2708[21:36:15] <Caspan> is there a default stable version that just php install where php7.3 install exactly that version
• 2709[21:36:17] <trek00> Bushmaster: fine thanks :) you can configure the second server on anoher port
• 2710[21:36:22] <Caspan> thank
• 2711[21:36:38] <sponix2ipfw> Bushmaster: you can run more than one site with a single ip using the virtual host functions
• 2712[21:36:39] <annadane> This package is a dependency package, which depends on latest stable PHP version (currently 7.3).
• 2713[21:36:52] <greycat> "php" and "php-fpm" and so on are metapackages that simply pull in whatever the current stable version is
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• 2716[21:37:06] <Caspan> ahh its jsut a dependency package to 7.3
• 2717[21:37:07] <annadane> it's basically like default-jre as opposed to openjdk-11-jre
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• 2719[21:37:10] <sponix2ipfw> trek00: lol that too
• 2720[21:37:12] <annadane> afaict
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• 2725[21:37:55] <Bushmaster> trek00, i understand it has to be port 80 for apache to listen
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• 2727[21:38:09] <Bushmaster> sponix2ipfw, is it hard work and how i go about it?
• 2728[21:38:18] <Caspan> Bushmaster, another server or another site?
• 2729[21:38:33] <Caspan> you can configure Apache2 to support as many sites as you want
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• 2732[21:39:12] <sponix2ipfw> Bushmaster: that isn't true. You can have apache2 on many ports or under many domains and sub domains. All on the same single ip
• 2733[21:39:13] <trek00> Bushmaster: well if you need two different computer share the same ip address, the port must be different, but you can setup one webserver to proxy the second one, thus you will have two different computers on the same ip and port
• 2734[21:39:21] <wondiws> Is DVB-T2 functionality compiled in, in Debian sid?
• 2735[21:39:24] <wondiws> I have this thing: replaced-url
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• 2737[21:39:52] <wondiws> I got it working in Windows with VLC, but in linux I can't open DVB-T2
• 2738[21:40:05] <wondiws> DVB-T I can open, but that's not in the ether here
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• 2740[21:40:47] <sponix2ipfw> Bushmaster: apache2 has its documentation on configuration as the default homepage. Read about it there
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• 2742[21:41:20] <sponix2ipfw> Bushmaster: or use mine at sponix.tk
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• 2744[21:41:47] <Bushmaster> trek00, basically, one server is up and running here bushmaster.myftp.org
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• 2752[21:42:54] <Bushmaster> i want another server trek00 sponix2ipfw from few other computers with different things running in apache, but external IP and port forwarding are two setbacks I do not know how to resolve
• 2753[21:43:03] <trek00> Bushmaster: you need to share another computer, right?
• 2754[21:43:14] <trek00> ok
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• 2756[21:43:50] <trek00> Bushmaster: check replaced-url
• 2757[21:44:01] <Bushmaster> sponix2ipfw, and trek00 yes, few other computers, one as you can see serving lots of media files, other one will serve books and nature program
• 2758[21:44:23] <trek00> Bushmaster: you can create a mapping on the public server to the other local servers you need to share
• 2759[21:44:41] <Bushmaster> trek00, that link is way over my head sorry
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• 2763[21:45:19] <trek00> Bushmaster: and it was not the correct one, this is good replaced-url
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• 2765[21:46:05] <Bushmaster> sorry, its too tough for me trek00
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• 2767[21:46:24] <trek00> Bushmaster: have you already modified the apache configuration?
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• 2770[21:47:00] <Bushmaster> trek00, just a bit, like document root etc
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• 2773[21:47:21] <Bushmaster> trek00, did you check my server yet?
• 2774[21:47:43] <trek00> Bushmaster: you can create a new section with: <Location "/mirror/foo/"> ProxyPass "replaced-url
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• 2776[21:48:28] <trek00> Bushmaster: where /mirror/foo/ is the new path on your public server that will map your second server (backend.example.com)
• 2777[21:48:36] <Bushmaster> i guess I am not ready to do this stuffs trek00 knowledge is not high enough
• 2778[21:48:57] <Caspan> does apache2 run as replaced-url
• 2779[21:49:06] <trek00> Caspan: yes
• 2780[21:49:08] <Caspan> thanks
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• 2782[21:49:16] <Caspan> how can i tell that? the apache.conf?
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• 2785[21:50:12] <trek00> Caspan: you should modify APACHE_RUN_USER in /etc/apache2/envvars
• 2786[21:50:14] <greycat> it would be in the systemd unit file, more likely
• 2787[21:50:19] <Caspan> ok
• 2788[21:50:25] <Bushmaster> so it is very possible to run few servers with same external IP, but I cant do it cos of knowledge limit
• 2789[21:50:31] <Caspan> is that a user or a group that it runs as?
• 2790[21:50:43] <greycat> oh, hmm, it's not there... where did they hide it...
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• 2792[21:51:13] <trek00> Bushmaster: you can try, I can guide you
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• 2795[21:51:40] <Bushmaster> can we talk one-to-one trek00
• 2796[21:51:48] <greycat> I should've realized apache would be Special.
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• 2798[21:52:12] <tds> you can also `apache2ctl -S` and that will tell you the user and group
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• 2800[21:52:45] <trek00> Caspan: under debian replaced-url
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• 2804[21:53:02] <greycat> OK, yeah... they systemd unit runs /usr/sbin/apachectl, which is a shell script, which dots in /etc/apache2/envvars, which defines the user to switch down to. Presumably after apache has opened the privileged port(s).
• 2805[21:53:05] <Caspan> ok
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• 2810[21:54:29] <tds> ...and if you call apachectl as a normal user not under systemd, it will end up calling systemctl for you, fun fun...
• 2811[21:54:33] <manibaba> #unix
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• 2818[21:59:09] <michel|2> bye
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• 2853[22:23:37] <jhutchins_wk> tds: How is that different from what it did under sysv?
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• 2859[22:28:38] <rotaticus> to me "not under systemd" reads like "sysv"
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• 2864[22:29:59] <tds> under sysv apachectl just started httpd directly, iirc
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• 2869[22:31:21] <trek00> tds: it seems to me it will run systemctl only if systemd is pid1
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• 2871[22:31:34] <tds> yes
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• 2874[22:31:41] <tds> it's a neat solution, just a bit funky
• 2875[22:31:49] <trek00> :)
• 2876[22:32:12] <tds> ie you call apachectl, it talks to systemd, systemd starts apachectl which that time starts httpd :D
• 2877[22:32:25] <trek00> tds: under sysv it is not needed
• 2878[22:33:27] <trek00> tds: yes, the script calls itself indirectly, it's nice :)
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• 2903[22:47:32] <Richard_Simmons> I haven't been able to find if debian has any rocm support, so I guess I decided to come here and ask, does rocm work? (and if so, has anyone tested Hawaii GPUs with it at all?)
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• 2905[22:49:33] <trek00> Richard_Simmons: you need an external repository as rocm is not on debian replaced-url
• 2906[22:49:59] <Richard_Simmons> and that doesn't just break everything like amdgpu-pro does?
• 2907[22:50:14] <trek00> i don't know
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• 2911[22:51:38] <Richard_Simmons> amdgpu-pro is very finicky, even canonical updating something in 18.04 from 18.04.2 to 18.04.3 caused kernel panics, so I'm just real paranoid about taking ubuntu packages to stick on debian. :/
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• 2915[22:54:10] <trek00> Richard_Simmons: i think ROCm have some integration issues
• 2916[22:54:52] <trek00> Richard_Simmons: i don't know about crashes but you need some exact configuration to have it running fine
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• 2931[23:04:47] <jteppinette> Anyone have thoughts on fellyfin (replaced-url
• 2932[23:04:52] <jteppinette> jellyfin*
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• 2966[23:23:09] <tsarompy> yo #debian
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• 2970[23:23:31] <tsarompy> anyone possibly know why systray icons for qt apps dont show up in MATE?
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• 2972[23:23:46] <tsarompy> im going to try to relog into xfce to see if its just a MATE problem
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• 2974[23:25:24] <phogg> the protocol is pretty standard
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• 2977[23:27:41] <tsarompy> aye
• 2978[23:27:43] <tsarompy> i dont have this issue in KDE
• 2979[23:27:57] <tsarompy> im sure i just borked some setting somewhere. just tryna figure out what
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• 2985[23:32:12] <phogg> tsarompy: could the notification area app itself be missing? Or do some icons show up?
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• 3000[23:43:16] <gry> is there a gui tool to change samba share properties and/or remove it?
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• 3002[23:43:31] <gry> i thought right clicking the folder would have it in properties, but it doesn't
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• 3016[23:54:13] <Unit193> gry: In what file manager?
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• 3018[23:54:53] <gry> thunar
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• 3022[23:59:29] <Unit193> thunar-shares-plugin, not in Debian.
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