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2 [00:00:25] <spinningCat> i dont have internet debian kaptop
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5 [00:01:46] <spinningCat> i am searching .xauthority file
6 [00:02:01] <Necrony_> spinningCat, ls -lah
/home/$USER/.Xauthority
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9 [00:02:36] <spinningCat> dont have that file
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11 [00:03:08] <spinningCat> is it a problem?
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13 [00:03:47] <Brigo> not sure.
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15 [00:04:13] <spinningCat> i couldnt connect wifi from terminal
16 [00:04:20] <Brigo> can you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for
errors? the line with error messages start with EE.
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19 [00:05:25] <spinningCat> i have some EE
20 [00:05:28] <spinningCat> gimme a moment
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24 [00:08:55] <spinningCat> Brigo,
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25 [00:10:29] <Brigo> spinningCat, was there any errors in the
installation?
26 [00:10:42] <spinningCat> any log file?
27 [00:10:56] <spinningCat> i mean there was no error in
installation
28 [00:12:48] <Brigo> spinningCat, is the nvidia kernel module
load?
29 [00:13:10] <spinningCat> wh,ch module "nvidia"?
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32 [00:14:38] <Brigo> wh,ch???
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34 [00:14:49] <spinningCat> which
35 [00:14:53] <Brigo> yes
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40 [00:15:44] <spinningCat> you mean nvidia module
41 [00:15:52] <spinningCat> which module did you ask ?
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44 [00:16:31] <Brigo> spinningCat, nvidia
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46 [00:17:10] <Brigo> spinningCat, and you can run nvidia-detect
for checking if you are installing the right nvidia driver version.
47 [00:17:12] <spinningCat> i did modprobe -r nvidia i got
nvidia module not found
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49 [00:19:27] <spinningCat> what should i do?
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51 [00:19:35] <Brigo> run nvidia-detect
52 [00:20:57] <spinningCat> okay
53 [00:21:03] <spinningCat> i did
54 [00:21:12] <spinningCat> it suggest me to install
nvidia-driver
55 [00:22:09] <Brigo> spinningCat, nice. If modprobe can't
find the nvidia module most likely there was a problem building it.
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58 [00:22:20] <Brigo> we can try to rebuild it and see
59 [00:22:25] <spinningCat> sure
60 [00:22:38] <spinningCat> do i need internet?
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62 [00:22:54] <Brigo> can you check if you have the
nvidia-kernel-dkms package installed?
63 [00:23:14] <spinningCat> sure
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66 [00:29:43] <spinningCat> i guess i will reinstall debian
67 [00:30:16] <spinningCat> thank you for that
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70 [00:30:35] <Brigo> spinningCat, why?
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77 [00:36:42] <michael2> !test
78 [00:36:42] <dpkg> Test failed.
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80 [00:39:16] <spinningCat> Brigo, it is 1 a.m. here
81 [00:39:21] <spinningCat> and i am tired sorry for that
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85 [00:46:15] <tmable> Is debian testing safe? As I understand
it, it only gets security updates after a delay?
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87 [00:47:32] <mason> tmable: Only Stable is explicitly safe for
production.
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90 [00:48:28] <tmable> So, what about on a desktop? Would it be
unwise to use testing as a daily driver?
91 [00:48:45] <mtn> tmable: lots of people do
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93 [00:49:09] <mtn> tmable: you have to decide if it is
"wise"
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95 [00:50:17] <dead0xbeef> Hoping for a nudge in the right
direction with this one... I'm running Debian 9.5 in VMWare,
and using lightdm and openbox. After my session has idled for a
while, it switches back to the lightdm login. Does anyone know
what's responsible for this, so I can turn it off? I'm
generally a CLI user, and I haven't touched X in years, so
I'm probably not using the right search terms to find the
answer... I can't see anything in
96 [00:50:18] <dead0xbeef> lightdm config that relates to this,
and the openbox config all seems to be unrelated as well
97 [00:52:48] <squarecircle> havin some trouble with cryptsetup,
which asks for a passphrase, does not throw any errors, but does not
map the unencrypted device to /dev/mapper/<devicename>
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101 [00:56:33] <mason> dead0xbeef: Openbox is crashing if
it's going back to your display manager.
102 [00:56:35] <mtn> dead0xbeef: any chance this is a screensaver
or power management problem?
103 [00:56:55] <mason> squarecircle: Which cryptsetup command?
104 [00:58:23] <squarecircle> mason: cryptsetup luksOpen
/dev/md127 crypt
105 [00:58:27] <dead0xbeef> mason: if openbox crashes, would it
be able to resume my session? when I log it, it still has everything
open (it resets the resolution to something crap, but I think
that's a vmware problem)
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107 [00:58:50] <squarecircle> I actually, am not sure, if my raid
is properly recognized by now
108 [00:59:25] <mtn> dead0xbeef: sounds like a screensaver
109 [01:00:06] <aloo_shu> spinningCat: if you have a debian
(live) install medium around, you could boot into a live session and
have better repair options, like chrooting into the broken install,
or using dpkg with the --root= parameter. I cannot help with the
prob itself, though.
110 [01:01:05] <mason> squarecircle: you do that and it
doesn't create /dev/mapper/crypt??
111 [01:01:40] <mason> squarecircle: remember that the last
argument is just a name, so you won't be creating
/dev/mapper/md127, you'll be creating /dev/mapper/crypt
112 [01:01:51] <squarecircle> mason: I know
113 [01:02:16] <dead0xbeef> mtn: yeah, screensaver/lock was my
thought, but I have no idea how/where that's configured
114 [01:02:21] <mason> Seems odd that it wouldn't give an
error on failure.
115 [01:02:57] <mason> dead0xbeef: That's... odd. You could
have a session manager restarting things, or maybe it's not
LightDM but a screen lock.
116 [01:03:03] <mtn> dead0xbeef: depends on what you installed.
probably desktop or openbox settings
117 [01:03:09] <mason> dead0xbeef: Maybe ~/.xsession-errors will
have some clues.
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119 [01:03:53] <squarecircle> mason:
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122 [01:04:44] <mason> Ah, so it is failing then.
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124 [01:05:34] <mason> "device already exists or is
busy" ?
125 [01:05:37] <mason> for error 5?
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127 [01:06:30] <mason> squarecircle: You can say "sudo
dmsetup ls" to see if you've got it mapped already
somehow.
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129 [01:06:46] <squarecircle> mason: I guess my raid is the cause
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131 [01:07:08] <mason> squarecircle: Does /proc/mdstat say
it's unhealthy?
132 [01:07:31] <squarecircle>
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133 [01:07:38] <squarecircle> it says, its inactive
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139 [01:11:25] <dead0xbeef> mason, mtn: thanks for the pointers,
looks like light-locker is probably the culprit
140 [01:11:39] <mtn> dead0xbeef: welcome
141 [01:12:15] <mason> dead0xbeef: Ah, then that's it. Good
catch.
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156 [01:19:25] <Copenhagen_Bram> hello
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165 [01:27:15] <r_rios> Hello, all. The libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 and
libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0:i386 packages are necessary for Steam to work
properly. Without them, a lot of steam games get black backgrounds
and images, redering them unplayable. However, these packages are
not steam dependencies. Where should I report this bug?
166 [01:27:24] <r_rios> Source:
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182 [01:49:50] <usney3> what debian iso should I get for a orange
pi pc plus?
183 [01:50:04] <usney3> arm 32bit
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186 [01:51:33] <RoyK> usney3:
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187 [01:51:48] <usney3> I want the net install
188 [01:52:26] <RoyK> there are a lot of orange ip's, so
better follow the instructions on that page
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192 [01:53:27] <RoyK> usney3: just curious - what sort of opi and
what are you going to use it for?
193 [01:54:13] <usney3> media center retro game center
server..etc.
194 [01:54:50] <RoyK> for a media center, I'd use something
that can run kodi with hwsupport
195 [01:55:02] <RoyK> such as a raspberrry pi
196 [01:55:12] <usney3>
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197 [01:55:15] <RoyK> AFAIK the orange i can't do tht
198 [01:55:59] <usney3> well it is half the price of a raspberry
pi
199 [01:56:16] <RoyK> and you get about half of the raspberry pi
200 [01:56:17] <usney3> so I guess I can always take it back
right?
201 [01:56:28] <usney3> how so?
202 [01:56:40] <usney3> it has 1gb of ram and is quad core also
203 [01:56:42] <RoyK> the raspberry pi zero doesn't cost a
lot and can run things like openelec without issues
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205 [01:56:52] <RoyK> the gpu is rather bad on the opi
206 [01:57:01] <usney3> I see
207 [01:57:24] <usney3> the orange pi says that it can handle
1080p
208 [01:57:41] <RoyK> in theory, yes, but with what software?
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212 [02:02:07] <RoyK> kodi/openelec certainly doesn't
support that hardware, at least didn't last I checked
213 [02:03:21] <usney3> hmm
214 [02:03:37] <usney3> RoyK which single board computers do you
recommend?
215 [02:04:02] <RoyK> just get a raspberry pi, either a 3+ or
just a zero w
216 [02:04:24] <RoyK> the zero w is tiny, costs very little, and
will do for a small mediaentre
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218 [02:08:33] <usney3> well I found out which debian iso to
download for the orange pi RoyK
219 [02:08:47] <usney3> armhf because the cpu is armv7
220 [02:09:09] <RoyK> go on - but it's quicker to get a pi
zero than to try to get kodi or similar into the opi
221 [02:09:19] <RoyK> better use the opi for something else
222 [02:09:27] <usney3> like server?
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224 [02:09:39] <RoyK> or some sensor or some toy or whatever
225 [02:09:51] * RoyK has a few opi zeros for small projects
226 [02:10:28] <RoyK> hook a dht-22 and perhaps a pressure sensor
to it and you have a tiny weather station
227 [02:10:45] <RoyK> add some LEDs and you have a light show
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229 [02:11:13] <usney3> I see
230 [02:11:18] <RoyK> the only thing stopping you is your fantasy
(and perhaps money)
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232 [02:11:48] <usney3> I love saving money
233 [02:11:57] <usney3> well I'll look at the specs more
closely
234 [02:12:03] <RoyK> components from ebay doesn't cost much
235 [02:12:18] <usney3> like the case?
236 [02:12:20] <RoyK> get a kit and start playing around with it
237 [02:12:36] * RoyK just prints those cases
238 [02:12:40] <RoyK> or chassises
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240 [02:13:19] <RoyK> I bought a cr-10s a month or two back :D
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242 [02:13:31] <RoyK> nice toy
243 [02:13:47] <usney3> cool
244 [02:14:38] <RoyK> took a wee while to getting used to, but as
of now it's the most stable 3d printer I've worked with,
and I've been using quite a few in my time
245 [02:15:06] <RoyK> and at that price and size…
246 [02:15:31] <RoyK> hilarious bargain
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252 [02:20:40] <usney3> RoyK just looked at the specs on wiki and
looks like the new orange pi plus gpu is faster
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255 [02:21:13] <RoyK> usney3: doesn't matter if the software
doesn't support its gpu
256 [02:21:35] <usney3> guess you're right about that
257 [02:21:42] <usney3> well I am just going to swing it
258 [02:21:48] <usney3> wing*
259 [02:22:01] <usney3> that's how it is with the cheapie
sometimes you win a great deal
260 [02:22:04] <RoyK> thinking on running kodi on this?
261 [02:22:19] <usney3> maybe
262 [02:22:25] <usney3> I am not sure
263 [02:22:37] <cheapie> usney3: Yeah, I don't make a very
good GPU though :P
264 [02:22:52] <michael2> is there a way I can start and use
ssh-agent - without an X system?
265 [02:23:28] <usney3> never used the ssh-agent I thought it was
a command option?
266 [02:23:54] <usney3> I mean command so should work without an
x system afaik
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268 [02:24:30] <usney3> I use SSH but I haven't use the
ssh-agent yet
269 [02:24:43] <michael2> well.... according to the man page -
there are two ways to use it
270 [02:25:01] <usney3> let me check
271 [02:26:45] <usney3> are you trying to get rid of your x
system?
272 [02:27:01] <michael2> no, i just havent yet installed it
273 [02:27:09] <usney3> oh okay
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275 [02:27:24] <usney3> just install debian netinstall without a
gui
276 [02:27:40] <michael2> thats what I did
277 [02:27:56] <usney3> so what is not working?
278 [02:28:18] <michael2> ssh-agent
279 [02:28:42] <michael2> because the way debian sets it up - you
have to run X
280 [02:28:44] <usney3> well I am not familiar with that wish I
could help I would assume that it doesn't need the gui
281 [02:28:55] <michael2> before the agent is initialised
282 [02:29:18] <usney3> I use openssh just not ssh-agent
283 [02:29:32] <usney3> anyone have any ideas with michael2
problem?
284 [02:30:12] <michael2> ssh-agent is part of openssh
285 [02:30:26] <michael2> its in openssh-client package
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293 [02:43:29] <mason> michael2: What's the goal?
294 [02:44:18] <michael2> initialise ssh-agent - in a non X
environment
295 [02:44:20] <mason> michael2: Something I typically do is run
an agent setup script on login, whether it's .xsession or a
shell.
296 [02:45:00] <michael2> so do you do something like `eval
ssh-agent' ?
297 [02:45:30] <mason> michael2: Similar. I run it and save its
output, and then I source the output from various places.
298 [02:45:34] <michael2> the problem with that - is other
terminals won't get the SSH_AUTH_SOCK env var
299 [02:45:48] <mason> michael2: No, you capture ssh-agent's
output when it starts, and it gives you that.
300 [02:45:52] <mason> Been doing it for many years.
301 [02:45:57] <michael2> yes! thats a nice idea :)
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303 [02:47:52] <michael2> where you save the output of ssh-agent
to?
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305 [02:48:07] <michael2> /tmp/ssh-agent ?
306 [02:48:40] <mason> File in my home directory. Sometimes with
the hostname as a component, in case my home directory is
NFS-shared.
307 [02:49:01] <michael2> and then just have a test like [[ -f
/tmp/ssh-agent ]]; then source /tmp/ssh-agent; fi ?
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309 [02:49:26] <mason> Yep.
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311 [02:49:42] <michael2> have you tried using gpg-agent for
ssh-agent (via emulation) ?
312 [02:50:15] <mason> michael2: I'd like to. As I
understand it, it's easier to connect to one where you
don't know the socket off the bat. Just haven't taken the
time.
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314 [02:52:14] <michael2> hmmm. I thought it was only gpg that
could connect even when there is no GPG_AGENT_INFO var
315 [02:52:32] <michael2> pretty sure ssh-client needs
SSH_AUTH_SOCK always
316 [02:53:18] <spacedust> is there a way to list installed
packages but just the ones i actually installed not the dependencies
also ?
317 [02:53:26] <spacedust> im looking for what did i apt install
XYZ ?
318 [02:53:50] <michael2> spacedust: I think you want the
"manually" installed packages
319 [02:54:25] <spacedust> michael2: yes thats the word i was
looking for thanks
320 [02:54:51] <michael2> something like:
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322 [02:56:49] <michael2> aptitude search
'?installed(.*)' -F '%c %p'
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324 [02:57:30] <michael2> but I dont know the aptitude flag for
manually installed - if you find that out you can grep for that flag
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326 [02:58:12] <mason> michael2: gpgconf --list-dirs
agent-ssh-socket seems to emit the socket on demand
327 [02:58:19] <mason> michael2: I think I'll probably give
it a try this week.
328 [02:58:53] <michael2> spacedust: apt-mark showmanual
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331 [03:00:04] <michael2> mason: right but the client need to
know to run tht command, right? I dont think ssh-client knows that -
but newer gpg's (from about v2) know this
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333 [03:00:38] <mason> michael2: You don't need ssh to know
it, just get it into your environment in .shrc or .xsession or
similar.
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335 [03:01:38] <michael2> mason: that is right, but its more
complicated - its honestly very difficult to setup - in my
experience
336 [03:02:29] <mason> michael2: It'd be like what I'm
doing, but you could use an existing agent more easily.
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338 [03:03:30] <michael2> mason: lol - thats what you _think_
will happen. I thought the same thing too - until I tried it :)
339 [03:03:47] <mason> michael2: Worst case, I keep doing what
I've been doing since the late 90s.
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342 [03:04:06] <michael2> mason: ok, you should know
343 [03:04:30] <michael2> gotchas to watch for
344 [03:05:24] <michael2> you need to set the enable-ssh-support
in ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
345 [03:05:45] <mason> The only real gotcha is if there's an
agent already there when you come in, where you need to figure out
if you need to add your key or not.
346 [03:06:18] <michael2> if you want the scripts in
/etc/X11/Xsessiond/90gpg-agent. to detect that you want to use
gpg-agent for ssh-agent
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348 [03:06:34] <spacedust> michael2: apt-mark showmanual works
thanks
349 [03:07:04] <michael2> mason: also - I think `ssh-add
<key>' is possibly broken
350 [03:07:05] <spacedust> michael2: but lists a lot of packages
351 [03:07:09] <michael2> spacedust: np
352 [03:07:25] <mason> michael2: After I try it I'll ping
you with results.
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354 [03:07:58] <michael2> mason: cool :)
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357 [03:08:29] <michael2> spacedust: yeah I thnk the system has
forcibly marked some packages "manual" - thats why the
extras
358 [03:08:59] <Vall> How do I configure APT to exclude from
updates something that I installed manually (and intend to keep
manually)?
359 [03:09:19] <mason> Funny you should ask!
360 [03:09:53] <spacedust> michael2: its good
361 [03:09:53] <michael2> Vall: you can hold packages
362 [03:09:56] <Vall> In case it matters, I manually compiled and
installed zfs-0.7.9, and don't want `apt-get upgrade` to
replace iot with the repo version
363 [03:10:08] <Vall> iot -> it
364 [03:10:17] <mason> Vall: Observe the apt-mark conversation,
and read the apt-mark(8) man page - read the "hold" entry.
365 [03:10:21] <spacedust> michael2: i actually run the command
on a system which is kind of bloated :))
366 [03:10:29] <michael2> Vall: in this case apt/dpkg won't
mangage that - I dont think
367 [03:10:33] <mason> Vall: You know ZOL 0.7.9 is in
backports...?
368 [03:10:58] <spacedust> michael2: on the system i was looking
for packages i installed its okay i can find my packages so thank
you very much
369 [03:10:58] <Vall> mason: thanks, it's that I compiled
mine with special options
370 [03:11:15] <Vall> mason, michael2: thanks
371 [03:11:15] <mason> It is a package of special conscience.
372 [03:11:22] * Vall waves
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374 [03:11:30] <mason> oh, right, it's not a package
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376 [03:12:31] <spacedust> if im running any debian based distro
and enable debian unstable repository will my installed packages get
updated to a newer version if its found in debian unstable ? or i
speficially need to install from there or only packages installed
from there would be upgraded ?
377 [03:13:11] <mason> !frankendebian
378 [03:13:11] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
379 [03:14:04] <michael2> !reinstall
380 [03:14:04] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall
is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk
'/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall
install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later,
dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get
install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>.
381 [03:17:47] <spacedust> well i would still like to know :)
382 [03:18:21] <mason> Tell us what happens!
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384 [03:18:39] <spacedust> im updating a debian 9 as we speak :)
just was curious about how it would work
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390 [03:19:22] <spacedust> i mean i have package X version Y in
debian-clone repo, + debian unstable package X with with version Y+1
@ apt upgrade i get Y+1 ?
391 [03:19:27] <michael2> spacedust: you can check your self
with: `apt-cache policy <package>' but I think
mason's point was - there are better ways
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393 [03:19:52] <spacedust> its just a test system, nothing
special
394 [03:20:00] <spacedust> not my main os
395 [03:21:17] <michael2> !brideoffrankendebian
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440 [04:27:57] <ozzloy> anyone got a definitive guide to
unfucking bluetooth on debian stretch?
441 [04:33:26] <spacedust> i cant find localepurge, i have a
600mb locale directory i need only 1 locale :)
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454 [04:48:06] <usney3> hey RoyK
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456 [04:48:23] <usney3> did you check out the new orange pi
prime?
457 [04:48:38] <usney3> it looks more powerful than raspberry pi
3
458 [04:48:47] <usney3> 2gb of ram
459 [04:49:01] <usney3> builtin wifi and bluetooth
460 [04:50:07] <usney3>
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472 [05:11:58] <[Awaxx]> It's not opensource... you'll
have full GPU support only using android...
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474 [05:13:49] <usney3> any of the orange pis? [Awaxx]
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476 [05:15:18] <[Awaxx]> Well it uses mali GPU I guess
477 [05:15:44] <[Awaxx]> You might find some working half working
driver around
478 [05:16:03] <[Awaxx]> half working*
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480 [05:16:27] <[Awaxx]> rofl wrote working 2 times
481 [05:16:31] <[Awaxx]> :Ð
482 [05:16:39] * [Awaxx] 's tired
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484 [05:18:41] <Gerowen> Yay my Debian based Rust server is
working properly after migrating the system to an SSD, :-D
485 [05:19:18] <usney3> I recently migrated to an ssd
486 [05:19:22] <usney3> :)
487 [05:20:14] <Gerowen> All my systems run on SSD for the
operating system now. My storage drives are still HDDs because you
can't get a 12TB SSD for $500, but the system itself boots and
shuts down insanely fast now with an SSD.
488 [05:20:45] <Gerowen> I shut it down via SSH earlier to
install another hard drive that came in the mail and it was powered
off before I could get into the closet where it's stored, :p
489 [05:20:49] * dvs steals the SSD
490 [05:21:27] <dead0xbeef> there's no going back after an
SSD
491 [05:21:49] * squarecircle lets dvs trip, takes the SSD and gives it
back to Gerowen
492 [05:22:05] <dvs> keener!
493 [05:23:18] * squarecircle agrees to Gerowen
494 [05:24:03] <squarecircle> I run my storage server with an
32GB cheap China SSD
495 [05:24:19] <dvs> Wow! That's small!
496 [05:25:16] <Gerowen> I guess as long as it's big enough
to hold your operating system then it's big enough, keep
everything else on HDDs.
497 [05:25:40] <squarecircle> I think I run Debian. I guess it
works. Would I use Winbloats, yup that would suck
498 [05:26:15] * squarecircle does not agree with Gerowen anymore
499 [05:27:38] <squarecircle> I'd like to replace the 6x4TB
scratch HDDs with SSDs, but that would sum up to ~2k4€
500 [05:28:29] <squarecircle> compared to ~600€ for HDDs ...
501 [05:28:54] <Gerowen> I did put Rust and Minecraft on the SSD;
it's 500GB and I figure that would help speed up terrain
generation when people explore new areas.
502 [05:29:04] <squarecircle> the cold storage is some 84x1TB in
Fibrechannel shelves
503 [05:29:09] <squarecircle> ...
504 [05:30:13] <squarecircle> which, replaced with SSDs, would
cost 16k€ ...
505 [05:30:20] <Gerowen> Yeah I have considered putting something
else out in the storage shed as cold storage or an
"off-site" backup, just something not in the house, not
part of the main server.
506 [05:30:35] <dvs> yeah, 2400 would be a bargain!
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508 [05:30:58] * squarecircle does really, really likes SSDs, but
18k4€ for all flash storage is way too expensive
509 [05:32:10] <squarecircle> maybe, if the QLC works out to be
extremely cheap, I'd change one compute server to all flash
510 [05:34:10] <squarecircle> Gerowen: some ZFS with old 4TB
disks?
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512 [05:36:59] <Gerowen> Could definitely just stick a bunch of
smaller drives into a larger logical volume.
513 [05:37:13] <Gerowen> I haven't looked, I wonder if I
could get more storage for less if I got it out of smaller capacity
drives.
514 [05:38:13] <squarecircle> theres an cost efficiency curve
which led me to buy 4TB drives
515 [05:39:52] <Gerowen> Well I hate to run but I've gotta
go to work in the morning, so I'm gonna lay down. If you or
anybody else plays Rust and wants to check it out my server is up
and running; listed under the "Community" tab as
"Gerowen's Rust Server".
516 [05:40:20] <squarecircle> Gerowen: have a nice rest
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530 [05:52:58] <Neobenedict> hi i get this error trying to
install wireguard
531 [05:52:59] <Neobenedict> Module build for the currently
running kernel was skipped since the
532 [05:52:59] <Neobenedict> kernel source for this kernel does
not seem to be installed.
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534 [05:53:25] <Neobenedict> linux-compiler-gcc-4.9-x86
linux-headers-3.16.0-6-amd64 linux-headers-3.16.0-6-common
linux-headers-amd64 linux-kbuild-3.16 are all installed
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536 [05:54:46] <Neobenedict> i will try apt-get upgrade as my
kernel is 3.16.0-5
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539 [05:59:04] <Neobenedict> okay had to manually install
linux-headers-3.16.0-6-amd64 linux-headers-3.16.0-6-common
540 [05:59:08] <Neobenedict> no idea wtf this kernel is doing
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589 [07:06:22] <usney3> RoyK
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598 [07:09:28] <Gigglebyte> Is there an address book in the back
ports that allows imported data as well as exported? The only
functional address book I found in the repos is DLume, but it
won't allow you to import data; only export. KAddresBook
doesn't work and has bugs.
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640 [08:05:01] <LevitusCommander> Hello, all! I had to override a
package previously installed from the Debian repository with
it's git version (that I built manually then) to circumvent a
bug. Now, the dpkg database is out-of-sync and apt tries to actually
downgrade this package (mailman). What to do?
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710 [09:10:25] <diogenes_> Hello guys, several days a ago i asked
about how to switch off the system bell and i got this
711 [09:10:28] <diogenes_> !bell
712 [09:10:28] <dpkg> To disable the bell: "xset b off"
in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason,
bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o
vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on
partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell.
See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell
bug>.
713 [09:10:58] <diogenes_> and that worked but it won't
survive the restart and i've found that via dconf-editor
/org/cinnamon/settings-daemon/peripherals/keyboard/bell-mode change
to off
714 [09:11:16] <diogenes_> will shut it off permanently, no need
for any scripts
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716 [09:11:35] <diogenes_> so i thought you can include that into
the bot !bell script
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746 [09:30:54] <wrksx_> mornin guys
747 [09:30:58] <darxmurf> yup
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798 [10:35:16] <wrksx_> I just used 'top' command from
cygwin for the first time and it displays a process hierarchy in
such a nice way... Any idea where is this comming from and if the
top I'm used to (Debian) has that capability ?
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805 [10:41:46] <wrksx_> !bin
806 [10:41:46] <dpkg> [.bin] NOT a meaningful filename extension.
"aptitude install file", then run file on your .bin and
see what it is (or, read it with less). Or read the README file that
should have come with it. If it looks like a shell script, try
"sh myfile.bin". .bin is the extension used by some JDK
installers (which are executable files) and is also a Macintosh
archive format (MacBinary). If it is a CD image, ask me about
<bin-cue>.
807 [10:41:50] <wrksx_> !paste
808 [10:41:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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810 [10:42:30] <wrksx_> have a look
replaced-url
811 [10:43:21] <jelly> wrksx_: htop can show a process tree
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815 [10:44:48] <wrksx_> jelly, ty didn't knew about htop
816 [10:44:52] <wrksx_> it quite nice
817 [10:45:29] <wrksx_> It displays an exclamation mark next to
the uptime since it's so high =)
818 [10:45:42] <wrksx_> 1371 days(!)
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821 [10:46:04] <wrksx_> It seems really user friendy
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823 [10:46:48] <jelly> well a system with 1371 days old kernel
might have security issues
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825 [10:46:50] <kopper> Your kernel must be ancient
826 [10:46:50] <wrksx_> and the treeview is beautifull
827 [10:46:59] <wrksx_> jelly, yeah
828 [10:47:34] <wrksx_> 3.2.0-4
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830 [10:47:54] <jelly> we'd have machines with 2000+ days
uptime if power in our datacenters did not fail every 5-10 years or
so :-)
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832 [10:48:25] <wrksx_> jelly, basically it's up since the
first boot 4 years ago approx
833 [10:48:37] <jelly> wrksx_: if you have to maintain wheezy
systems consider making your company pay for ELTS
834 [10:48:56] <wrksx_> hum, didn't know about that
835 [10:49:01] <wrksx_> Extended LTS ?
836 [10:49:39] <jelly> yes
837 [10:49:49] <jelly> !elts
838 [10:49:55] <wrksx_> VERY good to know
839 [10:50:13] <jelly> hm, let me write that up
840 [10:50:17] <wrksx_> =)
841 [10:51:21] <wrksx_> I'll upgrade soon, I need to change
hardware anyway so that's the perfect moment to switch to the
latest release
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859 [11:04:54] <jelly> !elts
860 [11:04:54] <dpkg> Limited commercial support for wheezy
exists in form of Extended LTS, see
replaced-url
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883 [11:25:22] <Mr-Potter> Hello everyone
884 [11:26:07] <Mr-Potter> I have a Lenovo Ideapad S10-2 which is
quite old. I note that it is too old for the latest version of
Ubuntu, which is Debian based. Will Stretch run on it?
885 [11:26:19] <Mr-Potter> Apparently no modern distro will run
on it.
886 [11:27:32] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: How so?
887 [11:27:56] <pipedream> why not? because it is 32bit?
888 [11:27:59] <bites> try it with the i386 installer.
889 [11:28:01] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: Debian support any x86
that is Pentium II or newer.
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892 [11:28:41] <Mr-Potter> petn-randall: Well to be honest the
only distro I've tried is the latest version of Linux Mint
(which is Ubuntu based), it has a glitchy log on screen and the
update manager won't run.
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895 [11:30:07] <Mr-Potter> Thank you for your advice, I was
unaware. Sorry for not checking!
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898 [11:31:37] <Mr-Potter> out of curiosity how do I see which
packages are available on the 2nd and 3rd dvds?
899 [11:32:02] <Mr-Potter> Also does the OS come with a desktop
eniveronment and if so which one?
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901 [11:34:37] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: Debian comes with
whatever one you pick. I recommend using the network installer,
which will only download the packages that are needed. Note that the
complete set for i386 is 9(!) DVDs.
902 [11:34:49] <petn-randall> Sorry, 14 DVDs.
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904 [11:34:59] <petn-randall>
replaced-url
905 [11:35:32] <Mr-Potter> Got it thank you, as I'm
installing on a netbook which requires a propertiary wifi driver I
will stick to the 1st DVD only but not the netinstaller as it
won't work.
906 [11:35:33] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: The most common DEs are
Gnome, KDE, and Xfce. There are even more esoteric ones you can pick
during install.
907 [11:35:48] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: I'd say it's
the other way around.
908 [11:35:50] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
909 [11:35:51] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
replaced-url
910 [11:35:51] <Mr-Potter> petn-randall: I have the wifi drivers
for ubuntu on a usb stick, will the same packages (.deb format) work
on Debian?
911 [11:35:58] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: Use this installer ^^^.
912 [11:36:12] <petn-randall> !firmware images
913 [11:36:12] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
914 [11:36:17] <petn-randall> Sorry, these here. ^^^
915 [11:36:45] <Mr-Potter> got it
916 [11:37:10] <Mr-Potter> petn-randall: Sorry but what is the
other way around?
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918 [11:38:36] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: It will work with the
firmware image, but not with the DVD image.
919 [11:38:44] <petn-randall> "It" being your network
card.
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921 [11:39:09] <Mr-Potter> petn-randall: Why can't I simply
install the drivers from the internet (downloaded using another PC)
922 [11:40:21] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: Sure, it's just
extra work.
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925 [11:40:44] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: If you want to provide
it by hand, the !firmware installer factoid tells you how to do
that.
926 [11:41:06] <Mr-Potter> can I do it using .deb packages which
work on ubuntu?
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929 [11:41:52] <BCMM> Mr-Potter: debian will prompt you to select
a desktop environment during installation, like this
replaced-url
930 [11:42:51] <BCMM> you can also download install images that
come with desktop environments, but it's probably best to just
use one of the smaller installers, that will fetch your DE of choice
from the internet during installation
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932 [11:43:33] <BCMM> (hang on, did they replace that screen with
a boot option in debian 9?)
933 [11:45:24] <Mr-Potter> got it
934 [11:45:49] <Mr-Potter> If I select an environment I
don't like can I change my mind and opt for another one
instead?
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937 [11:48:57] <kirk781> Mr-Potter, of course. choosing from
numerous desktop environments is one of the perks of linux
938 [11:49:06] <Mr-Potter> good to know!
939 [11:49:16] <Mr-Potter> funnily enough the ISO I downloaded
was generic
940 [11:49:22] <Mr-Potter> Will it include all the common ones
then?
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942 [11:49:29] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: Most likely .deb files
working on Ubuntu will not work on Debian.
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944 [11:49:37] <Mr-Potter> got it thank u
945 [11:50:19] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: Ubuntu, just like
Debian, has all the DEs in the same repo. Ubuntu just offers those
installers which have a certain DE preselected in the installer.
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947 [11:51:01] <Mr-Potter> petn-randall: How odd!
948 [11:52:18] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: Indeed. I guess it makes
it a bit more user-friendly, at the cost of having several
installers for essentially the same OS.
949 [11:52:36] <Mr-Potter> yes
950 [11:52:39] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: Debian just saves a lot
of bandwidth and storage costs by offering one installer that can do
everything.
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952 [11:52:47] <Mr-Potter> yes
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955 [11:56:40] <BCMM> Mr-Potter: i don't know what exact iso
you downloaded, but most likely it doesn't "include"
a desktop environment. it will, however, automatically download any
of them
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958 [11:56:51] <BCMM> (unless it was a really huge iso)
959 [11:56:53] <Mr-Potter> Oh no
960 [11:56:58] <Mr-Potter> It was a DVD size ISO
961 [11:57:26] <Mr-Potter> Which is a catch 22 because it
won't work with my WIFI adapter. However I think I'll plug
in using a LAN cable.
962 [11:57:38] <Mr-Potter> Out of curiosity, will I be able to
install WIFI drivers over LAN?
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964 [11:58:26] <BCMM> Mr-Potter: yes
965 [11:58:38] <Mr-Potter> Good
966 [11:58:42] <BCMM> Mr-Potter: actually, in most cases drivers
aren't the problem. *firmware* is.
967 [11:58:51] <Mr-Potter> really?
968 [11:59:18] <BCMM> Mr-Potter: debian only includes completely
free, open-source, redistributable software by default
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970 [12:00:05] <Mr-Potter> got it
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972 [12:00:12] <Mr-Potter> But I can work around that right?
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974 [12:00:27] <BCMM> Mr-Potter: yes. after installation, you
will probably need to enable non-free software, and then install
firmware-linux-nonfree
975 [12:00:38] <Mr-Potter> got it thanks
976 [12:01:04] <BCMM> i don't know what wireless card
you've got so i can't be completely sure this applies to
your case, but 90% of the time, when a wireless card doesn't
work at installation, that's why
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979 [12:02:29] <BCMM> basically there's firmware that
isn't stored in the actual wifi device, but rather has to be
"installed" by the OS every time the machine boot up. it
exists as a binary file released by the device manufacturer, and the
manufacturer has put a somewhat restrictive license on it
980 [12:03:08] <BCMM> and debian won't install stuff with
that sort of licencing unless you tell it it's OK to do that
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1038 [13:14:51] <JPT> Is it expected behaviour for sysctl value
"net.ipv6.conf.enp0s3.accept_ra" (previously set to 2) to
be reset to 1 after ifup enp0s3?
1039 [13:16:31] <jelly> probably depends on what's in inet
enp0s3 ... in /e/n/interfaces
1040 [13:16:54] <JPT> Well, nothing special. Both inet and inet6
are configured for dhcp
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1042 [13:17:13] <JPT> No custom scripts are involved
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1045 [13:19:20] <jelly> JPT: interfaces(5) says accept_ra is set
to 1 by default for inet6 dhcp, so "yes"
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1047 [13:19:53] <jelly> "INET6 ADDRESS FAMILY" section,
"The dhcp Method"
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1049 [13:21:06] <JPT> That's a bit unexpected, but i guess
i'll have to accept it. Thank you for pointing it out. :)
1050 [13:21:45] <jelly> you can set it back to 2 there
1051 [13:21:55] <JPT> I just put my config into /etc/sysctl.d/ and
was wondering why it got reset in unexpected moments. :|
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1084 [13:49:11] <wowaname> i used debootstrap to install debian in
a chroot, so that i can run programs that require glibc or
x86/multiarch without overwriting my main operating system. i
mounted my host's /dev to the chroot and modified the audio,
video, and input gids so that permissions would map correctly
1085 [13:49:37] <wowaname> the problem with this is, on an upgrade
of udev, it shows the input group as a 'non-system group'
and refuses to properly upgrade
1086 [13:50:00] <wowaname> although the new group id for input is
still within the system group range
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1090 [13:51:59] <Brigo> wowaname, have you ever known about lxc or
container in general?
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1093 [13:52:45] <wowaname> yes, i use lxc and kvm on my dedicated
server
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1095 [13:53:00] <wowaname> i havent required that level of
containerisation or sandboxing on my home desktop
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1097 [13:54:33] <wowaname> and i'd prefer not to have the
configuration overhead
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1106 [14:03:21] <ksk> then you will have to build your own stuff.
use helper scripts to setup these mounts and hook them into apt
somehow?
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1108 [14:03:43] <ksk> like, unmount before an upgrade, mount again
afterwards-
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1111 [14:04:34] <ksk> I dont know if that is an udev bug, you
could look up what that errror actually means and check
bugs.debian.org etc
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1114 [14:05:23] <ksk> but sure sounds like you want to use
containerisation of some scale ;)
1115 [14:05:52] <ksk> isn't there something to spawn chroots
in systemd already?
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1124 [14:11:10] <wowaname> >systemd
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1126 [14:11:15] <wowaname> ksk: my host system is alpine linux
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1130 [14:13:02] <wowaname> to my knowledge udev isnt even running
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1132 [14:13:20] <wowaname> ok it looks like i can safely uninstall
udev
1133 [14:13:24] <wowaname> never mind then
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1137 [14:14:23] <ksk> is #debian here :>
1138 [14:14:42] <ksk> and you said something about udev errors
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1142 [14:15:04] <wowaname> yes, smartassery is appreciated
1143 [14:15:14] <wowaname> not even bothering to idle
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1182 [14:43:15] <debouncer> noob here, I don't if there is a
dev-channel but I want to help to the project in documentations and
translations. Where can I find the list of todo tasks?
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1187 [14:44:40] <greycat> Most documentation and translation is
done upstream, really.
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1190 [14:48:28] <debouncer> greycat, what about offical website
development?
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1194 [14:50:41] <n4dir> there is a mailing list for package
maintainers to check for proper english. might be a start
1195 [14:50:41] <nicofrand> Hi
1196 [14:51:13] <jelly> !l10n
1197 [14:51:13] <dpkg> l10n is, like, an abbreviation for
localization, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so
it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more
letters, then N", get it?
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1199 [14:51:40] <greycat> Ah. I tried i18n but not l10n.
1200 [14:51:41] <jelly> pick your locale/language, debouncer
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1203 [14:52:05] <jelly> g5t: so sad!
1204 [14:52:06] <nicofrand> When trying to install something
through apt the interactive thingy fails and aborts automatically:
"Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort.". I can always pass
"-y" but I'd like to fix it. I have no idea where to
look for… I saw something on stackoverflow regarding stdin
but no tip on what to do… Could someone help please ?
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1206 [14:52:21] <greycat> the I18n wiki page is ... incredibly
terse
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1208 [14:52:56] <jelly> nicofrand: that stuff apt says before that
line is kind of important.
1209 [14:53:02] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1210 [14:53:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
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1211 [14:53:04] <jelly> nicofrand: ^
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1215 [14:53:55] <nicofrand> jelly the issue is that the
"Abort" is done before I have a chance to type either
"Y" or "N" actually
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1217 [14:54:01] <nicofrand> but I can paste the whole result
1218 [14:54:29] <nicofrand>
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1221 [14:57:10] <greycat> nicofrand: what are you NOT telling us?
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1224 [14:57:54] <greycat> "oh yeah, I forgot to say that this
is a docker inside a virtual machine and I'm doing it using
ansible over ssh from a chef puppet script and RFC 1149 and
..."
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1226 [14:58:36] <nicofrand> hmm, not sure what I could say. I am
connecting to my server through SSH. I tried rebooting the server
1227 [14:58:50] <nicofrand> not in docker, no ansible, no puppet,
not in a script
1228 [14:59:03] <greycat> This is an *interactive* ssh session,
right? You type "ssh root@server" and you get an
interactive shell in a terminal, and you are typing commands into
this terminal?
1229 [14:59:25] <nicofrand> yes it is greycat
1230 [14:59:58] <nicofrand> `[[ $- == *i* ]] && echo
'Interactive' || echo 'Not interactive'`
displays "Interactive"
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1235 [15:03:10] <greycat> I can duplicate your result if I run
"sudo apt-get install mc </dev/null"
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1237 [15:03:41] <greycat> Which makes me suspect that for *some*
reason, your apt command's stdin is redirected from /dev/null,
or closed, or is being piped from a thing that is generating no
output, etc.
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1242 [15:05:27] <ayekat> `alias apt-get`, `which apt-get`, ...
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1244 [15:05:42] <nicofrand> yes I read that but I have no idea how
to check why it's redirected and how to fix it
1245 [15:05:54] <greycat> "type apt-get" in bash
1246 [15:05:57] <nicofrand> ayekat /usr/bin/apt
1247 [15:06:00] <greycat> which(1) is useless
1248 [15:06:13] <nicofrand> apt is hashed (/usr/bin/apt)
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1251 [15:07:19] <ayekat> uh... wait - so apt-get is an alias for
apt?
1252 [15:07:30] <greycat> no
1253 [15:07:37] <greycat> apt-get and apt are separate commands
1254 [15:07:50] <greycat> nicofrand: what does "ls -l
/dev/fd/0" show?
1255 [15:07:54] <ayekat> greycat: yes, I know - but nicofrand
wrote `/usr/bin/apt` there
1256 [15:08:18] <greycat> he typed "type apt" instead of
"type apt-get"
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1258 [15:08:43] <nicofrand> lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Aug 22 15:08
/dev/fd/0 -> /dev/pts/0
1259 [15:08:55] <nicofrand> I use apt indeed. But I have the same
issue with apt-get
1260 [15:09:05] <greycat> nicofrand: your pastebin showed apt-get
1261 [15:09:08] <nicofrand> apt-get is hashed (/usr/bin/apt-get)
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1263 [15:09:45] <nicofrand> bash: alias: apt-get: not found &
same for 'apt'
1264 [15:09:45] <nicofrand>
1265 [15:09:49] <greycat> How about if you exit from this session,
and ssh back in?
1266 [15:10:21] <greycat> (Yeah, we're down to "turn it
off and on" already.)
1267 [15:10:24] <nicofrand> …
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1269 [15:10:26] <nicofrand> it works
1270 [15:10:33] <nicofrand> but I rebooted the server meanwhile
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1272 [15:10:39] <nicofrand> and the same issue on reboot
1273 [15:10:51] <nicofrand> aren't the sessions cleaned on
reboot?
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1278 [15:11:22] <greycat> I'm running out of ideas here.
You've got some kind of trickery going on but I have no idea
what it is.
1279 [15:11:43] <nicofrand> well, as long as it works for now
🤷♂️
1280 [15:11:58] <nicofrand> thank you very much for the help
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1288 [15:19:10] <BCMM> what are the downsides of putting /tmp/ on
a tmpfs (other than memory usage obviously)
1289 [15:19:59] <babilen> Things might get done faster and you
have less time to chill
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1292 [15:20:39] <greycat> Might not be able to store a
multi-gigabyte temp file in memory.
1293 [15:21:06] <greycat> (Do current web browsers still download
files into /tmp and then move them into $HOME?)
1294 [15:21:23] <BCMM> greycat: iirc, firefox does that if you
choose "open"
1295 [15:21:24] <greycat> (Because that was *so* freakin'
stupid and annoying....)
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1297 [15:21:57] <BCMM> if you choose "save", it
downloads to a .part file in the directory you're downloading
it to
1298 [15:22:05] <BCMM> and i think renames it when finished
1299 [15:22:12] <greycat> That's what it should always be
doing.
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1301 [15:22:34] <BCMM> well, if you just click "open"
rather than "save", it's understood that you
don't want the file to persist
1302 [15:23:13] <BCMM> and i personally never do that with
anything really large because i'd had to have to redownload it
if accidentally close it or whatever
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1305 [15:23:25] <BCMM> maybe this would be a problem if i had
faster internet
1306 [15:24:04] <BCMM> is that the only reason it's not tmpfs
by default? or are there other objections?
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1309 [15:24:21] <greycat> I'd imagine the "machine with
limited memory" thing is the main reason.
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1312 [15:26:17] <jasabella> BCMM… privacy?
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1325 [15:33:47] <wrksx_> So I got interested in the IO part of
vmstat basic report
1326 [15:33:58] <wrksx_> it's reporting block per second
1327 [15:34:09] <greycat> there's a separate iostat command
1328 [15:34:24] <wrksx_> hum that's right I heard of
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1330 [15:34:28] <wrksx_> yesterday =)
1331 [15:34:34] <greycat> Yeah, jelly mentioned it.
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1333 [15:34:49] <wrksx_> but as of right now, I'll just use
vmstat reports, if they make sense
1334 [15:34:57] <wrksx_> and they seem to make perfect sense
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1337 [15:36:02] <wrksx_> But the block/sec is kinda confusing and
I wanted to convert that to bytes
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1339 [15:36:16] <wrksx_> But then I thought, maybe a block
doesn't really translate to bytes
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1342 [15:36:51] <wrksx_> so here I am, asking if that make sense
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1344 [15:37:18] <greycat> When in doubt, block either means 512
bytes, or something hardware-specific. Usually the former when it
comes to old commands like du and vmstat.
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1347 [15:38:01] <wrksx_> greycat, thx for that
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1349 [15:38:56] <jelly> wrksx_: don't trust some random
greycat on irc. Read the fine vmstat man page.
1350 [15:38:58] <wrksx_> greycat, if vm stat is run every second,
and on the 1st sec it says 20 blocks, and the 2nd 10 blocks, does
that mean 30 blocks are beein written or is it like the total amount
of work in a queue ?
1351 [15:39:15] <greycat> The first LINE of output from vmstat is
special. See the man page.
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1353 [15:39:52] <jelly> it will tell you exactly how many bytes a
"block" means in vmstat (and linux kernel, mostly) context
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1355 [15:40:09] <hans_> what is this? deb
replaced-url
1356 [15:40:20] <jelly> hans_: something very, very, very old
1357 [15:40:23] <greycat> Hidesouly ancient.
1358 [15:40:28] <jelly> 15+ years
1359 [15:40:30] <greycat> Bah, typing hard.
1360 [15:40:57] <jelly> !non-us
1361 [15:40:57] <dpkg> Non-US is where we placed software
previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation
mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't
need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze, Wheezy or later. Ask me
about <crypto> and <crypto in main>. Old non-US packages
(for slink, potato, woody) are at archive.debian.org.
replaced-url
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1363 [15:41:15] <greycat> hans_: either this machine is so old
that you will not be able to upgrade it, or you're looking at
documentation that is so old that you should not read it.
1364 [15:41:26] <jelly> it's so old it has a correct factoid
1365 [15:41:36] <wrksx_> lol
1366 [15:42:20] <wrksx_> Damn block size info was in the footnote
of the manpage, I didn't make it that far
1367 [15:42:25] <wrksx_> it says 1024 bytes
1368 [15:42:29] <jelly> bingo
1369 [15:42:41] <mason> Iä! Iä! debian-non-US
fthaghn!
1370 [15:42:52] <jelly> (same value is used for df and iostat
output on Linux by default)
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1372 [15:43:06] <wrksx_> fine
1373 [15:43:42] <jelly> more sane OSes will show you actual blocks
with similarly-named commands
1374 [15:43:43] <mason> s/fthaghn/fhtagn/
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1376 [15:44:10] <wrksx_> I'm goin to add IO to my chart
report straight away
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1378 [15:44:14] <wrksx_> ty guys
1379 [15:44:16] <jelly> with amusing results for devices with
variable block size, like tapes
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1381 [15:44:38] <wrksx_> I hope my HDD has constant block size =)
1382 [15:44:42] <jelly> iostat on Linux however does not show
tapes AT ALL, so they sure dodged that bullet
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1385 [15:45:35] <jelly> (as a consequence, it's (near?)
impossible to know how much IO passes to and from your tape drives
on Linux)
1386 [15:45:46] <greycat> I always get the feeling that people
report "blocks" so that they don't actually have to
figure out what the units mean. They can just be lazy and grab some
kind of number from some kind of interface and dump it on the screen
and there you are.
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1388 [15:46:45] <jelly> and when your HDD and SSD firmware lies
about "block" being 512B when it's anything from 4KiB
to 4MiB
1389 [15:46:47] <wrksx_> greycat, I'm not that kind of person
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1391 [15:47:17] <wrksx_> jelly, should I be woried about that
1392 [15:47:18] <wrksx_> ?
1393 [15:48:10] <jelly> no
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1395 [15:49:05] <jelly> wrksx_: the only thing to remember about
my rant is "linux tools will probably show block as 1024B, but
do not assume that's true for other unixes"
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1399 [15:49:51] <BCMM> jasabella: what's the privacy issue
with tmpfs? wouldn't it be the other way around?
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1401 [15:50:07] <wrksx_> jelly, k
1402 [15:50:23] <jelly> BCMM: contents of tmpfs can end up written
on disk!!!!1!one
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1404 [15:50:54] <greycat> contents of non-tmpfs /tmp can also end
up written on disk
1405 [15:50:59] <BCMM> also, what's the correct way to mount
/tmp/ on a tmpfs these days?
1406 [15:51:05] <jasabella> BCMM… i probably misread what
you said, but i was thinking everybody can read/write to tmpfs :)
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1408 [15:51:32] <jelly> greycat: oh nose
1409 [15:51:40] <BCMM> isn't it a proper filesystem with
support for unix permission, just like the rootfs /tmp would be on
otherwise?
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1411 [15:51:53] <jelly> it is
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1413 [15:52:44] <jelly> most of that is in VFS layer. tmpfs and
ramfs just don't have a permanent disk-backend for that data
and metadata
1414 [15:52:46] <BCMM> as i understand it, /etc/default/tmpfs is
ignored on systemd systems. what's the appropriate replacement,
though?
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1416 [15:53:00] <jelly> BCMM: let us know if you find out
1417 [15:53:14] <jelly> I still keep a fstab entry for /tmp
1418 [15:53:37] <jelly> that's very likely the wrong solution
1419 [15:53:46] <BCMM> jelly: yeah, that's the impression
i've got...
1420 [15:53:54] <BCMM> jelly: both that that's what people
do, and that it's somehow wrong
1421 [15:54:05] <BCMM> possibly because of stuff getting written
to /tmp too early?
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1423 [15:54:36] <jelly> maybe ask the upstream channel #systemd
and see if they know
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1425 [15:55:41] <BCMM> am i wrong in thinking that they'll
just be annoyed i'm not using a redhat distro? (because
that's how systemd itself makes me feel sometimes)
1426 [15:56:02] <BCMM> systemctl enable tmp.mount seems to be the
correct answer, but a bunch of people claim it doesn't actually
work. i guess i should test it in case that's fixed
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1428 [15:56:31] * jelly asked
1429 [15:56:54] <BCMM> oh "Failed to enable unit: Unit file
tmp.mount does not exist"
1430 [15:57:17] <mason> BCMM: Can you summarize your goal?
1431 [15:57:33] <BCMM> mason: putting /tmp/ on a tmpfs
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1433 [15:58:10] <mason> BCMM: Ah. FWIW, it's worth looking at
the PrivateTmp option as well. Drops all your mounts into their own
namespace, including a distinct per-process /tmp and /var/tmp.
1434 [15:58:23] <BCMM> what's the point in that?
1435 [15:58:44] <mason> BCMM: Saves lazy programmers from having
to understand "mktemp" is what I take from it.
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1437 [15:59:02] <BCMM> i mean, isn't the point of /tmp/
communication between processes?
1438 [15:59:07] <greycat> absolutely not
1439 [15:59:11] <mason> But it's theoretically more
obscure/secure since no one else can see what temp files you're
creating.
1440 [15:59:25] <BCMM> greycat: what's the correct way for a
browser to implement an "open in external pdf reader"
feature?
1441 [15:59:34] <mason> And yeah, /tmp is for per-process,
sometimes per-user scratch files.
1442 [15:59:57] <mason> ssh abuses it a bit with its sockets
living there.
1443 [16:00:06] <greycat> BCMM: good question, definitely out of
scope for #debian. You'll probably ask 5 programmers and get 11
different answers.
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1445 [16:00:41] <mason> BCMM: dbus! fork and exec! just exec!
1446 [16:00:44] <BCMM> well, one can argue about the correct use
of it, but the fact remains that it's very much within
conventional use of it
1447 [16:01:09] <greycat> "conventional" doesn't
score a lot of points when it comes to temp files
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1449 [16:01:48] <BCMM> well i suppose my ultimate goal is to not
pointlessly write temporary audio files to my ssd while encoding
this music, and i could just manually configure a different
temporary directory for this single purpose instead of addressing
the whole of /tmp/
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1451 [16:02:13] <BCMM> which brings me to, what should i use if i
explicitly want to store a temporary file in RAM? (and /tmp/ is not
in ram)
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1453 [16:02:55] <BCMM> is it wrong to just use /dev/shm for that?
1454 [16:02:59] <greycat> If an fstab entry for /tmp => tmpfs
works for you, then that sounds like a good enough answer.
1455 [16:04:26] <mason> BCMM: If it has to stay in RAM, why have
it touch a file at all?
1456 [16:04:29] <BCMM> greycat: well that's the fallback
solution certainly. but debian used to do it earlier than fstab, and
systemd appears to be configured to do the same on other distros. i
don't know what the reasoning behind that is, but i assume
there is one
1457 [16:04:40] <BCMM> mason: i'm configuring a program, not
writing it...
1458 [16:04:44] <mason> ah
1459 [16:04:52] <wrksx_> When VM stat reports 80 MB/s of IO
writing to disk, it's actually writing to RAM cache?
1460 [16:05:21] <apollo13> depends
1461 [16:05:31] <apollo13> it could be writing directly to
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1466 [16:07:39] <wrksx_> seems really high to me but I don't
know typical performance of hdds
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1470 [16:08:43] <jelly> so.
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1472 [16:08:58] <greycat> I would not expect vmstat to report raw
hardware I/O values, in general. It's designed to report memory
usage, not disk usage.
1473 [16:09:48] <wrksx_> aright
1474 [16:09:54] <jelly> this is what
/var/lib/dpkg/info/systemd.postinst does: it creates a unit
definition in /etc/systemd but ONLY if RAMTMP is enabled in old,
legacy /etc/default/rcS file. So /etc/default/rcS is used one last
time.
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1476 [16:10:29] <jelly> so /etc/default/rcS is a boot-time config
for sysvinit, but an install-time config for systemd
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1478 [16:10:51] <jelly> which is probably better than not trying
to migrate at all
1479 [16:11:01] <greycat> Looks like it performs one-time
migrations on several of the values form rcS.
1480 [16:11:30] <wrksx_> Regarding CPU data reported by VM stat,
1481 [16:11:40] <wrksx_> (sorry for the lineends)
1482 [16:11:49] <greycat> And ... there's the tmp.mount unit
file, in /usr/share/systemd, waiting for you to copy it to
/etc/systemd/system/ yourself, I guess.
1483 [16:12:01] <wrksx_> it says it's "time spent".
But what unit of time is that ?
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1486 [16:12:31] <mason> or systemctl edit tmp.mount maybe?
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1488 [16:12:39] <jelly> wrksx_: percentage of total cpu time
across all cores
1489 [16:12:41] <RoyK> wrksx_: try using sysstat and perhaps munin
- preferably both - they'll show you good and understandable
data
1490 [16:12:47] <greycat> mason: you have to copy it into a place
where systemctl can see it, first
1491 [16:13:02] <mason> greycat: ah, ah, kk
1492 [16:13:19] <RoyK> sysstat is a commandline tool, but there
are fine tools for graphing the data
1493 [16:13:40] <jelly> wrksx_: user + system + idle + iowait
cannot exceed 100
1494 [16:13:58] <jelly> I have no idea what's the "st:
Time stolen from a virtual machine. Prior to Linux 2.6.11,
unknown." column
1495 [16:14:01] <wrksx_> hum
1496 [16:14:33] <RoyK> jelly: "steal" is the amount of
time the host "steals" from the vm if the host is under
load and can't give the vm all the cpu it wants
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1499 [16:15:10] <jelly> but VM is running under host anyway so it
ought to be accounted anyway?
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1501 [16:15:50] <jelly> and how the hell does it deal with
different, third party hypervisor crap that is not kvm
1502 [16:16:21] <wrksx_> r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in
cs us sy id wa
1503 [16:16:21] <wrksx_> 1 0 402112 489880 214564 61125364 0 0
40064 0 1922 3222 11 0 89 1741638803
1504 [16:16:28] <jelly> ignore the first line
1505 [16:16:31] <RoyK> jelly: from sar(1): %steal: Percentage of
time spent in involuntary wait by the virtual CPU or CPUs while the
hypervisor was servicing another virtual processor.
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1507 [16:16:32] <wrksx_> Found this line in my log
1508 [16:16:46] <jelly> wrksx_: it's crap
1509 [16:16:50] <wrksx_> with a wait percentage of 1741638803
1510 [16:16:51] <jelly> that happens.
1511 [16:16:57] <wrksx_> ha right
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1513 [16:17:23] <RoyK> wrksx_: just install sysstat and munin and
wait a while for them to build up some statistics
1514 [16:17:35] <jelly> reading from /proc is not always correct
1515 [16:17:43] <wrksx_> RoyK, ty I'll look into it
1516 [16:18:00] <jelly> sometimes the emulated file contents
change under userspace' feet
1517 [16:18:02] <wrksx_> RoyK, I already had 24 hours of vmstat
data I wanted to check
1518 [16:18:04] <RoyK> wrksx_: interactive stuff like vmstat or
iostat are nice, but usually you want statistics over time
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1520 [16:18:21] <wrksx_> RoyK, exactly
1521 [16:18:41] <RoyK> installing those two is an apt install away
1522 [16:18:43] <jelly> wrksx_: honestly I've done better
adhoc stats with vmstat/iostat and awk than with sar
1523 [16:18:54] <jelly> ymmv
1524 [16:18:57] <wrksx_> sar ,
1525 [16:18:59] <wrksx_> ,
1526 [16:19:00] <wrksx_> ?
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1528 [16:19:11] <bites> is there a nagios plugin packaged for
debian that can check the psu status?
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1531 [16:19:20] <RoyK> jelly: sar/sysstat works well - I've
used it for about two decades
1532 [16:19:39] <jelly> wrksx_: sar is the thing from sysstat that
runs forever and keeps statistics in a well-known format
1533 [16:19:40] <RoyK> bites: quite possibly, depending on your
hardware
1534 [16:19:48] <wrksx_> alright
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1538 [16:20:24] <RoyK> jelly: and sar/sysstat doesn't produce
worse dat than vmstat/iostat - they read from the same source
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1574 [16:39:22] <telmich> good evening
1575 [16:39:33] <telmich> is there vxlan support planned for
interfaces?
1576 [16:39:55] <telmich> I can set them up manually, but I'd
like to setup some vxlan devices on bootup with debian
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1584 [16:47:40] <mason> That person has had time to learn their
lesson.
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1586 [16:49:23] <hans_> where is the actual list of boot options
for grub? the update-grub generates
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1588 [16:49:48] <greycat> It generates the file
/boot/grub/grub.cfg
1589 [16:50:00] <hans_> thanks
1590 [16:50:02] <greycat> It uses the templates/scripts in
/etc/grub.d/ to do so.
1591 [16:50:40] <greycat> (and the options in /etc/default/grub
like it says in the comment)
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1595 [16:53:01] <mvaenskae> where can one find documentation on
the internals of the debian installer? i for one tried to install
debian concurrently with a gentoo install (using lvm on luks) but
had to call some internal magic commands from the command line to
have access to lvm and luks (seems to have been loaded and extracted
from some archive into ramdisk)
1596 [16:53:14] <greycat> !debootstrap
1597 [16:53:14] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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1598 [16:54:15] <mvaenskae> i recall using the official installer
for that task and just skipped the ones i did manually
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1600 [16:54:21] <optraz> how to upgrade iceweasel/firefox ?
currently still using versoin 52.9.0
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1602 [16:54:39] <mvaenskae> i think something with `anna` was in
the name of the command (been some time)
1603 [16:54:46] <greycat> optraz: That is the current firefox-esr
in stretch.
1604 [16:55:31] <jelly> optraz: 60esr will probably happen soon
1605 [16:55:48] <jelly> and break 70% of old extensions
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1607 [16:56:11] <optraz> hmm
1608 [16:56:20] <optraz> because some site complaint version 52
too old
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1611 [16:56:44] <greycat> I find the ctrl-w key to be effective
for those cases.
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1614 [16:57:24] <petn-randall> optraz: Sounds like the site is
broken and needs fixing. Or avoiding.
1615 [16:57:30] <optraz> lol
1616 [16:57:31] <optraz> banking site
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1618 [16:58:00] <greycat> so, you're paying them for this?
1619 [16:58:13] <optraz> nope
1620 [16:58:24] <greycat> it's someone else's bank
account?
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1622 [16:58:41] <optraz> heh nope
1623 [16:58:53] <optraz> sid has version 61
1624 [16:58:55] <petn-randall> optraz: So you are paying them for
this.
1625 [16:58:58] <optraz>
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1626 [16:59:08] <greycat> Then you gave them your money and
you're allowing them to hold on to it and earn interest off of
it, and for this service, they repay you with a broken web site that
you can't use.
1627 [16:59:14] <petn-randall> optraz: That's irrelevant
though, since sid and stable are two different suites.
1628 [16:59:33] <optraz> ok
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1630 [16:59:47] <optraz> u can try here
1631 [16:59:49] <optraz>
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1632 [16:59:55] <optraz> • Mozilla Firefox Version 54 and
above
1633 [16:59:56] <optraz> lol
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1636 [17:00:22] <greycat> It appears to be working in
google-chrome, but of course I have no login for it.
1637 [17:00:28] <optraz> when will firefox 61 get into testing or
stretch release?
1638 [17:00:40] <optraz> greycat: yes, but i love firefox :)
1639 [17:00:42] <greycat> We don't care about testing here.
1640 [17:01:01] <mvaenskae> greycat: ah, found the command again,
anna-install; what does this command relate to in the
debian-installer context and how do i know what arguments it takes?
1641 [17:01:08] <greycat> It will never be in stretch, because
it's not an ESR release. Firefox-ESR 60 will be in stretch
probably in a few weeks.
1642 [17:01:20] <optraz> ohh
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1645 [17:01:24] <optraz> coooool
1646 [17:01:31] <petn-randall> optraz: Some time this month
Firefox ESR 52 will reach end of life, and will be replaced by ESR
60.
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1648 [17:01:34] <optraz> few weeks as in 2009 perhaps :D
1649 [17:01:46] <optraz> aha ok!
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1651 [17:01:47] <greycat> No, as in early September 2018.
1652 [17:01:54] <optraz> good to know
1653 [17:01:55] <optraz> thank you
1654 [17:01:58] <optraz> u r awesome!
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1656 [17:02:42] <optraz> where u see the schedule for firefox esr
60 ?
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1661 [17:04:27] <optraz> gtg, thanks again :)
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1663 [17:04:47] <hans_> does FormData work in ESR 52?
1664 [17:05:24] <hans_> does this work? `fd=new FormData();`
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1667 [17:06:24] <greycat>
replaced-url
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1670 [17:08:16] <Delta706> Is there a way to configure debian such
that a crash produces a core file whose name includes the process
number of the terminated process?
1671 [17:08:25] <greycat> there's a pretty picture version on
replaced-url
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1673 [17:08:45] <greycat> "September 5 2018" is where
ESR 52.x dies.
1674 [17:09:15] <mvaenskae> how long are ESRs supported?
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1676 [17:09:58] <greycat> according to the same pretty picture,
ESR 60 dies on "October 23 2019"
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1679 [17:10:37] <mvaenskae> so a little over... 1.5 years?
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1701 [17:30:26] <indigoblu> anybody have an example of how to
disable a postinstall using pybuild? Im trying to backport a package
that has some python3 code in in and the pycompile postinstall falls
flat on its face.
1702 [17:31:37] <jelly> mvaenskae: that's a lot better than
the 10 months of life they initially gave to each LTS release
1703 [17:31:50] <jelly> er. ESR release.
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1707 [17:32:44] <themill> indigoblu: pycompile shouldn't be
seeing python3 code; which package is this ooi?
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1711 [17:33:37] <indigoblu> themill: python-engineio attemping to
backport to stretch.
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1714 [17:36:05] <themill> indigoblu: that backports and installs
just fine. Are you making changes to the packaging too?
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1718 [17:39:07] <indigoblu> themill: upstream (debian) only has a
dist for python3. This is a personal backport for python2 usage.
1719 [17:40:12] <greycat> so it's NOT a backport, then?
1720 [17:40:51] <indigoblu> i guess not :-) sorry, learning
terminology.
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1722 [17:41:30] <greycat> A backport is when you take the deb-src
(Debian source package) from unstable or testing and build it on
stable using stable's libs and so on.
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1724 [17:41:54] <themill> indigoblu: Ahh, I'd say that's
not going to work. There looks to be a lot of python3 code in there
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1727 [17:42:58] <themill> (even if it does use six)
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1729 [17:44:07] <themill> indigoblu: there seem to be some guards
in the package that change what gets imported depending on the
version. You might get a working package if you make sure the
py3-only files don't land in the py2 package.
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1731 [17:44:49] <indigoblu> themill: understood. this is a wierd
package and portions are needed for python-socketio. Unit tests do
pass on python2.
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1733 [17:46:02] <indigoblu> themill: just new to Debian packaging
and trying to modify stock debhelper postinst behavior.
1734 [17:46:08] <themill> you could delete the py3-only files out
of debian/tmp/python-engineio/usr/… from within d/rules.
1735 [17:46:24] <themill> nope, you'll need to fix the
package contents, not the postinst
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1737 [17:48:51] <themill> err debian/python-engineio/usr/…
1738 [17:48:59] <indigoblu> themill: okay, thanks. Ill try that.
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1744 [17:51:21] <themill> indigoblu: brutalising package contents
for fun and for profit:
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1751 [17:59:22] <BCMM> i'm looking for how to enable /tmp/ on
tmpfs, and found /usr/share/systemd/tmp.mount. can anybody explain
what /usr/share/systemd/ is for? it doesn't appear that systemd
actually looks for unit files in that directory.
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1756 [18:00:29] <greycat> Correct. It's just a place where
stuff from upstream is stashed.
1757 [18:00:47] <greycat> Do what the systemd.postinst does --
copy it out of there into /etc/systemd/system/ and then enable it.
1758 [18:00:57] <BCMM> greycat: thanks
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1761 [18:01:47] <BCMM> greycat: what do you mean about postinst?
does the systemd package put all built-in unit files in to
/usr/share and then move a set of pre-defined defaults to /etc?
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1763 [18:02:26] <greycat> Didn't you see jelly's comment
earlier? The systemd.postinst script looks to see if /tmp-on-tmpfs
was enabled in the old legacy rcS file, and if so, it copies the
unit into /etc/systemd/system/ and then enables it.
1764 [18:02:41] <greycat> If not, you are just left with the unit
sitting in this directory that nobody looks in.
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1766 [18:03:22] <greycat> I don't know why it isn't
simply installed in /lib/systemd/system/ and then conditionally
enabled or disabled. It must have seemed like a good idea at the
time.
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1778 [18:08:42] <BCMM> greycat: oh thanks, no i didn't see
that
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1789 [18:17:11] <simbalion> I need to get php 5.5 installed on
Debian Stretch, how can I do that?
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1791 [18:18:23] <JustASlacker> use docker ^_^
1792 [18:18:55] <simbalion> nvm got it working
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1795 [18:19:59] <jelly> :-D
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1797 [18:20:04] <jelly> !win simbalion
1798 [18:20:04] <dpkg> Congratulations, simbalion! You have won
the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
1799 [18:20:53] <annadane> (less or more than a slackware
installation?)
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1802 [18:21:37] <JustASlacker> nah, slackware comes on a dual-side
dvd these days ^_^
1803 [18:21:46] <annadane> *these* days
1804 [18:22:08] <JustASlacker> so, roughly 8000 floppies
1805 [18:22:54] <jehorn> Slackware was one of the first distros I
tried, back in 1996 lol.
1806 [18:22:56] <annadane> and it's recommended to install
everything so it's not like debian where you can just put in
DVD 1 of 14
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1817 [18:33:07] <bertbob> slackware didn't really work well,
either. when I switched to buzz and it all just worked I was so
happy
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1819 [18:33:14] <thyr15t0r> good morning
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1823 [18:34:07] <thyr15t0r> how to fix acpi problem on asus?
1824 [18:34:33] <annadane> what problem? if you just get
"ACPI error" on startup it's probably fine to ignore
it
1825 [18:35:10] <petn-randall> thyr15t0r: How does the problem
show? What do you expect, what happens instead?
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1828 [18:36:39] <thyr15t0r> i can't change screen brightness
on my notebook. it sets at maximum allways
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1832 [18:39:15] <thyr15t0r> i see [brightness chage} icon then i
press Fn+F5/F6 buttons. but screen light not changes
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1837 [18:41:01] <thyr15t0r> debian 9.3
1838 [18:41:09] <thyr15t0r> with latest core
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1845 [18:42:24] <annadane> well firstly we're on 9.5
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1847 [18:42:35] <annadane> not sure how to solve your problem but
consider updates
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1851 [18:42:56] <jelly> thyr15t0r: what does "uname -a"
say?
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1854 [18:44:40] <jelly> if it's really an acpi issue it will
likely only be solver thru kernel upgrades, and reported
non-security bugs do sometimes get fixed in newer versions of kernel
on stable
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1856 [18:45:31] <annadane> or try the kernel from backports i
guess
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1858 [18:46:22] <thyr15t0r> thnx i will do it
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1860 [18:47:01] <annadane> (FIRST update to 9.5, don't
immediately try using the backported kernel...)
1861 [18:47:12] <annadane> only if 9.5 doesn't solve the
problem
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1863 [18:47:37] <annadane> and it involves a kernel update so make
sure to reboot
1864 [18:47:52] <diogenes_> thyr15t0r, you could try this: xrandr
| grep " connected" | cut -f1 -d " "
1865 [18:48:02] <diogenes_> then
1866 [18:48:12] <diogenes_> xrandr --output <output from first
command> --brightness 0.7
1867 [18:48:13] <RoyK> thyr15t0r: does it work on an older kernel?
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1870 [18:48:43] <thyr15t0r> <diogenes_>i will try that. but
nit niw
1871 [18:49:00] <thyr15t0r> not now*
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1929 [19:24:16] <ntz> hello
1930 [19:24:26] <indigoblu> themill: thank you! perfect example.
that work.
1931 [19:25:20] <ntz> LOL:
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2036 [19:28:22] <jelly> ntz: eh, it's still better than the
alternatives, even given the thousands of unfixed bugs
2037 [19:28:34] <petn-randall> ntz: Just because you won't
something, it doesn't mean you get it? AFAICS it's only a
wishlist bug.
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2040 [19:29:09] <ntz> I know (and I had them also) many security
related bugs that were completely ignored for months and years
2041 [19:29:09] <jelly> it probably should be higher prio than a
wishlist, but that doesn't matter
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2043 [19:29:21] <petn-randall> ntz: And someone *replied* to it
after 3 years. It was fixed some time in between.
2044 [19:29:46] <ntz> approx reaction time on any bug (the most of
them) with debian is weeks if you're lucky independently in the
content of report
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2046 [19:29:53] <jelly> ntz: I think I have decade-old open bugs
2047 [19:30:00] <ntz> yeah
2048 [19:30:12] <jelly> and I honestly prefer they be left open
than closed WONTFIX
2049 [19:30:22] <ntz> anyhow ... guys, live in peace .. I came to
troll a bit, I did it and now I feel like hero
2050 [19:30:36] <ntz> and not need to troll or upset ppl here
anymore
2051 [19:30:36] <indigoblu> all distributions have bugs. Even
RH/Fedora have big breakers over 3-5 years old.
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2053 [19:30:55] <ntz> bye !!!!
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2074 [19:35:36] <jelly> I can troll, too
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2079 [19:40:22] <jolt> :D
2080 [19:42:34] <greycat> jelly troll? isn't that an old jazz
musician...
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2085 [19:48:19] <jhutchins_wk> MTR for bugs I've opened with
RedHat is ~2 years.
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2087 [19:48:31] <jhutchins_wk> I did have one they hustled out in
under a year.
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2091 [19:51:41] <jelly> and that bug is still present in stretch
afaict
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2093 [19:52:21] * Butt3rfly bugs jelly
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2125 [20:16:47] <mxbd> mutiny!
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2128 [20:21:25] <greycat> Harumph. There's no pirate-cow for
cowsay mootiny. At least not on my system.
2129 [20:21:56] <greycat> Clearly a grave bug at the very least.
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2157 [20:57:12] <jelly> ah, so it's not just 32bit
firefox-esr 52.9 that leaks
2158 [20:57:15] <jelly> 4024 jelly 20 0 8305320 4.690g 0 T 0.0
35.1 400:09.25 firefox-esr
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2160 [20:58:06] <jelly> that's Debian's
firefox-esr:amd64 from stretch. It just doesn't die after
getting to the 3GiB userspace limit
2161 [20:58:33] * jelly goes back to 52.8 to confirm
2162 [20:58:39] <greycat> A web browser? Leak? Gasp.
2163 [20:59:07] <jelly> it's both debian's and
mozilla's builds of 52.9 that bloat a lot more than previous
52esr did
2164 [20:59:27] <jelly> I had to restart it 3-4 times today at
work, so like every 2 hours
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2167 [21:00:47] <jelly> that reminds me of the times when I had a
desktop launcher icon to run: sh -c "pkill -9 firefox; sleep 1;
exec /opt/firefox/firefox"
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2187 [21:30:39] <jelly> is there a way to apply
Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false only for one specific repo?
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2197 [21:45:49] <violentE> I'm having an issue updating or
for that matter doing anything with apt. It shows an error with
linux-image-4.9.0.8-amd64. And Ive tried all the usual stuff and I
can't get it to work. Here is a bpaste of the error and what
I've already done:
replaced-url
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2200 [21:47:23] <greycat> 's'got something to do with
disk encryption, so I'm not helpful
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2203 [21:51:09] <violentE> oh of course - I put in my boot key and
it worked
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2211 [21:56:38] <violentE> okay now the only problem I was halfway
into remove *-7-amd64 (because I thought itd be a problem) I'm
following the first answer on here:
replaced-url
2212 [21:56:38] <violentE> want something broken
2213 [21:57:18] <greycat> *Is* your /boot full? Is that why
you're following this URL instead of just deleting the package?
2214 [21:57:46] <violentE> well I thought it was thats why I
started the process
2215 [21:57:54] <greycat> Type "df" and find out.
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2217 [21:58:23] <violentE> no its at 1%
2218 [21:58:55] <greycat> Then just purge the package instead of
doing all kinds of crazy things.
2219 [21:59:02] <greycat> "dpkg --purge
linux-image-whatever"
2220 [21:59:20] <violentE> but it says I'm running -7-amd
right now thats why I'm scared to purge it
2221 [21:59:38] <greycat> Well then, reboot into the -8- kernel to
make sure it works, and then purge it. Or leave them both installed.
2222 [22:00:00] <violentE> right
2223 [22:00:02] <violentE> okay thanks
2224 [22:00:07] <greycat> Sounds like you're not low on disk
space, so there's no urgency.
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2228 [22:02:22] <jhutchins_wk> Arbitrarily deleting files from
/boot sounds like a great way to b0rk a system.
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2235 [22:06:09] <jelly> esp. files for the current running kernel,
or the one you're trying to install
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2243 [22:15:36] <jhutchins_wk> The kernel should be in RAM though,
so you can get away with that until you reboot. You're not
updating grub though, confusion abounds.
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2245 [22:17:09] <jelly> I meant from a recovery perspective,
getting rid of the last kernel you know booted is not the greatest
idea ever
2246 [22:18:26] <jhutchins_wk> Quite true.
2247 [22:18:41] <greycat> I generally keep two kernels.
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2281 [22:38:18] <violentE> okay it didn't work, I can start
and get to a login screen but my keyboard doesn't work. Also
the only kernel there was was -6 there was not -7 (which I deleted
part of) or -8
2282 [22:38:28] <violentE> I don't know what to do, I'm
not very good with grub
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2294 [22:52:07] <Kailen> violentE: which keyboard do you have? the
main problem is that your keyboard doesn't work?
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2297 [22:55:32] <violentE> no it isn't the keyboard. I was
originally having trouble updating to -8-amd64 kernel image, when (I
thought) I got it to work I rebooted but now I doesn't work and
the main reason is for two reasons: #1 I deleted /boot/*-7-amd64
(there were like 3 files) and thats what I was previously using. #2
The only option available is -6-amd64. I can see -8-amd64 image in
grub as well as in rescue mode - dpkg --list | grep linux-image but
I can't boot from
2298 [22:55:32] <violentE> it and idk how to fix this.
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2301 [22:58:21] <greycat> you said, "I rebooted but now I
doesn't work" -- what doesn't work? What's the
actual problem?
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2303 [22:58:56] <violentE> well as it appears the keyboard and
mouse doesn't work
2304 [22:59:04] <violentE> but I know its more than that
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2306 [22:59:48] <greycat> Mouse? Sounds like a display manager is
involved, and possibly the new kernel needs to have some dkms driver
rebuilt for it.
2307 [22:59:54] <netcrash> Hello, any idea on a good way to have
central user authentication for windows and Linux boxes having a
linux server? What could I use?
2308 [23:00:28] <violentE> but I can only boot on -6 not -8
2309 [23:00:44] <jelly> netcrash: do you already have AD?
2310 [23:00:45] <jhutchins_wk> violentE: maybe boot to a
live/rescue image, chroot, and apti install a whole kernel?
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2312 [23:01:14] <jhutchins_wk> netcrash: samba+winbind
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2315 [23:02:20] <jhutchins_wk> Setting up a samba server as PDC is
a bit tricky with W10, but it still supposedly works.
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2317 [23:02:41] <violentE> idk if thats going to work
jhutchins_wk, I have a boot key
2318 [23:02:46] <jelly> netcrash: I'd avoid setups of samba
and winbind, go with sssd instead, and either sssd_ad if you're
willing to join linux hosts into AD and MS Kerberos, or sssd_ldap if
you're not
2319 [23:03:07] <netcrash> sssd_ldap :)
2320 [23:03:20] <netcrash> going to look into this
2321 [23:03:24] <jelly> nod
2322 [23:03:43] <violentE> I feel like the solution is simple:
boot from -8. I just don't know how to go about doing that from
grub
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2325 [23:04:47] <greycat> Unless you did something bizarre, it
should be booting -8- by default, since that's the newest
kernel you had installed at the last time grub.cfg was regenerated.
2326 [23:05:08] <greycat> In any case, you should be able to use
the Down Arrow key when the grub menu comes up, and select things.
2327 [23:05:19] <greycat> Down & Up arrows, and Enter.
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2330 [23:07:20] <jelly> netcrash: works on debian 8+, or debian 7
with backported sssd bits (except libpam-sss because the one from
wheezy-backports is broken, so just use the one from wheezy)
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2332 [23:09:02] <netcrash> jelly, thank you
2333 [23:09:08] <netcrash> jhutchins_wk, thank you
2334 [23:09:21] <jelly> and with slapd as reverse proxy for AD if
you're paranoid enough not to let misc linux machines poke your
AD ldap ports directly
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2340 [23:11:47] <violentE> okay, so I went to mount debian -8 from
a live cd and I don't have the thing mounted but in the files I
have initrd -8 but not vmlinuz -8 or config -8
2341 [23:11:47] <netcrash> will start with something simple on a
test , and will see from their
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2344 [23:13:22] <spinningcat> sound is weird when i connect
headphone with bluetooth
2345 [23:14:07] <anoob> I cannot find my bluetooth device
(speaker) when pairing
2346 [23:15:25] <jelly> violentE: reinstall the
linux-image-blahlblah package that has missing /boot/vmlinuz-*
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2348 [23:15:31] <jelly> ,kernels
2349 [23:15:43] <michael2> I have a program that keeps opening
vim.tiny - becuase /usr/bin/sensible-editor keeps choosing vim.tiny
- is there some way to reconfigure /usr/bin/sensible-editor? or can
I just rm it?
2350 [23:15:50] <jelly> judd... where are you
2351 [23:16:04] <michael2> I want a normal vim - not vim.tiny
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2354 [23:16:59] <jelly> michael2: install the "vim"
package
2355 [23:17:00] <RoyK> michael2: update-alternatives --set editor
/usr/bin/vim.basic
2356 [23:17:12] <RoyK> and yes, install vim first, obviously
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2358 [23:17:56] <michael2> RoyK: yes vim is installed. BTW did you
watch seventh seal?
2359 [23:17:56] <jelly> its editor alternative ought to have
higher priority
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2364 [23:18:36] <michael2> I thought update-alternatives only
reconfigured the synlink at /usr/bin/editor?
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2367 [23:19:13] <jelly> michael2: do you perhaps have a
~/.selected_editor already for that user?
2368 [23:19:33] <RoyK> michael2: why?
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2370 [23:19:40] <jelly> (I'm just looking at the
/usr/bin/sensible-editor script)
2371 [23:20:18] <RoyK> export EDITOR=vim
2372 [23:20:23] <RoyK> should work as well
2373 [23:20:25] <jelly> "because you look like Death"
2374 [23:20:28] * jelly hides
2375 [23:20:56] <jelly> yeah well, setting VISUAL or EDITOR is an
obvious override
2376 [23:21:30] <jelly> (sensible-editor obeys both)
2377 [23:21:42] * RoyK lifts his scythe and looks in jelly's
direction
2378 [23:22:01] <michael2> RoyK: I thought you downloaded it to
watch?
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2380 [23:23:42] <RoyK> I thought I'd seen it, but seems I was
thinking of something else -
replaced-url
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2383 [23:24:05] <jelly> that's the one
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2386 [23:24:31] <michael2> RoyK: I cant check link - I dont have
browser installed, but yeah its like 1957ish swediash movie
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2388 [23:24:36] <RoyK> I don't think I've seen it, no -
probably something to add on the list - I usually like Swedish films
2389 [23:25:05] <michael2> well update-alternatives --config
editor doesnt work
2390 [23:25:07] <RoyK> I'm quite fluent in the language too,
which helps a bit
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2392 [23:25:55] <michael2> it says it only affects the synlink at
/usr/bin/editor
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2394 [23:26:11] <RoyK> well, it does just that
2395 [23:26:43] <RoyK> but some software don't give a shit
about tht and just opens nano or some other crap just because they
think they know things better than you
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2397 [23:27:13] <michael2> this program (ranger) is opening
/usr/bin/sensible-editor
2398 [23:27:22] <michael2> I have no idea why
2399 [23:27:37] <RoyK> insensible-editor, perhaps
2400 [23:27:46] <Brigo> maybe that's the debian default
2401 [23:28:10] * jelly waits for the answer about existence of
$HOME/.selected_editor file
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2404 [23:29:13] <michael2> jelly: ~/.selected_editor exists
2405 [23:29:34] <michael2> contents are:
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2407 [23:29:48] <michael2> SELECTED_EDITOR=vim.tiny
2408 [23:29:53] <jelly> well then
2409 [23:29:54] <RoyK> ah
2410 [23:30:02] <RoyK> move it away
2411 [23:30:04] <RoyK> or just remove it
2412 [23:30:19] <jelly> or s/.tiny//
2413 [23:30:34] <michael2> so update-alternatives doesn't
change ~/.selected_editor right?
2414 [23:30:36] <RoyK> jelly: shouldn't be needed to add it
there
2415 [23:31:07] <jelly> but it would prevent sensible-editor from
asking and writing it down again
2416 [23:31:11] <RoyK> michael2: that file is user configurable -
update-alternatives is global - userconfig takes precense
2417 [23:32:34] <michael2> right that makes sense
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2420 [23:32:58] <michael2> so what is the "debian way"
of editing that file? can I just edit it directly?
2421 [23:33:01] <usney> which is better a bluetooth keyboard or a
wireless keyboard with a doggie?
2422 [23:33:13] <jelly> michael2: just remove it
2423 [23:33:22] <jelly> or edit it directly, sure
2424 [23:33:22] <RoyK> michael2: something like "rm
filename" should do ;)
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2426 [23:33:31] <jelly> with ANY editor
2427 [23:33:36] <michael2> how did it get there in the first
place?
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2429 [23:33:54] <jelly> sensible-editor creates it if there's
no previous choice it can find
2430 [23:33:58] <RoyK> jelly: sure?
replaced-url
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2432 [23:34:40] <jelly> see how less /usr/bin/sensible-editor ...
runs "select-editor" at some point
2433 [23:36:06] <jelly>
replaced-url
2434 [23:36:32] <jelly> however one has to note, that on unix,
2435 [23:36:39] <jelly> ED IS THE STANDARD EDITOR
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2437 [23:37:12] <Brigo> jelly, that can't be true! :(
2438 [23:37:12] * RoyK will probably move away from vim once the
existence of hell is proved, and it has frozen over
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2440 [23:37:49] <jelly>
replaced-url
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2442 [23:38:24] <RoyK> jelly: the xkcd above describes this quite
graphically
2443 [23:38:39] <joeazot> Hello
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2445 [23:39:02] <RoyK> joeazot: evening
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2447 [23:39:54] <jelly> I am prevented from seeing any xkcd link
in this and other nearby channels by a powerful mental filter, sorry
2448 [23:40:53] <RoyK> sounds like a rather annoying filter to me
2449 [23:40:56] <joeazot> what wm do you guys use? In my linux VM
(windows pleb, cbf switching yet even though i spend 95% of my time
in my linux vm) i use i3-gaps.
2450 [23:41:11] <jelly> whatever xfce has by default, right now
2451 [23:41:44] <RoyK> xfwm
2452 [23:41:48] <jelly> RoyK: it saves a lot of time
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2455 [23:42:46] <Brigo> mate here :)
2456 [23:43:24] <jelly> but usually whatever kde uses by default,
except kde session broke the other day
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2459 [23:44:11] <joeazot> honestly after using i3 i cant go back
to anything else
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