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15[00:08:22] <foul_owl> Let me check the firewall
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18[00:11:04] <foul_owl> Hmmm, it's randomly showing up as open now
19[00:11:11] <foul_owl> Despite me not changing anything o_O
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50[00:36:24] <miko__> I installed nginx. I configured it to serve files from homedirs. These files are forbidden
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52[00:37:00] <miko__> They are in the replaced-url
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54[00:37:11] <Emil> miko__: share config
55[00:37:57] <Brigo_> miko__, i think SELinux is not active in Debian by default
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57[00:38:27] <miko__> It's very simple: replaced-url
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60[00:39:14] <themill> 777 is unlikely to be correct
61[00:39:25] <miko__> error.log: 2016/11/29 00:27:09 [crit] 2840#0: *1 stat() "/home/miko/replaced-url
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66[00:40:17] <poolson> hey dudes im trying to wrap my head around apt and sources and pinning
67[00:40:20] <miko__> themill, I Know. But 777 and permission denied mean I'm not with standart permission, but with some advance permisssions.
68[00:40:33] <poolson> lets say i want to get something from backports, so add that to sources
69[00:40:54] <poolson> whats the "best" way to make sure everythign else doesnt look to the backports source for updates
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73[00:41:11] <poolson> pinning seems to be the way to go but im a bit confused
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77[00:43:19] <themill> miko__: what actually says "permission denied". There are plenty of things that will refuse to work if the permissions are insecure but the message will not be "permission denied". You've not shown us an error.
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79[00:43:33] * themill now sees an error!
80[00:43:44] <miko__> themill, as said:
81[00:43:49] <miko__> Ah, ok
82[00:43:57] <themill> poolson: you shouldn't need any pinning for that
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85[00:44:31] <themill> miko__: and what are the permissions on /home/miko /home/miko/replaced-url
86[00:44:40] <n4dir> poolson: as described here (an themill just said too): replaced-url
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89[00:45:34] <miko__> themill, both are drwxr-xr-x
90[00:45:56] <miko__> replaced-url
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92[00:46:30] <poolson> ah cool .. seems its just done under the hood
93[00:46:31] <poolson> cool
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114[01:03:16] <murphy42> is there a way to open up a terminal over USB on a standard desktop?
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116[01:04:15] <murphy42> maybe serial port? hurr duur
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118[01:05:04] <miko__> murphy42, yes, that seems like a good idea.
119[01:05:30] <miko__> Adapters are cheap. You can get them in china for only 1-3 usd
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133[01:10:57] <murphy42> im trying to come up with a way to connect a machine to a VPN when needed
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135[01:11:26] <murphy42> logmein to macmini connected to linux desktop by serial
136[01:11:41] <murphy42> very round about way lol
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144[01:15:11] <doggu> [debian] Debian Sid and RX 480 - redd.it/5fe4m7
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151[01:17:42] <Guest73847> hi - what is the best way to easily observe realtime cleartext network traffic in the terminal (no need to decrypt ssl) for debian?
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153[01:17:58] <mkpgrmfreeagn> tcpdump
154[01:18:11] <Guest73847> that will be like a river flowing?
155[01:18:25] <mkpgrmfreeagn> ya log it and then use python to scrape out what not needed
156[01:18:29] <Guest73847> not saved to a file i have to anazlyze?
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158[01:18:30] <murphy42> cant you do a tcpdump piped to grep?
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160[01:18:50] <mkpgrmfreeagn> probably
161[01:19:07] <Guest73847> sorry what would that command look like?
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165[01:20:43] <murphy42> tcpdump <commands> | grep -i 'strings you want to search'
166[01:20:48] <murphy42> something like that i think
167[01:21:04] <murphy42> i think you can google some specific exmaples
168[01:21:23] <murphy42> oh i think you have to use strings inbetween
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170[01:21:35] <murphy42> tcpdump <commands> | strings | grep -i 'strings you want to search'
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173[01:22:42] <murphy42> it still amazes me how much you can get done in the linux command line, so powerful
174[01:22:58] <Guest73847> hmm - i dont want to search anything - i just want to be able to see the network traffic in realtime from other applications
175[01:23:43] <murphy42> what kind of traffic though?
176[01:23:59] <missmbob> wireshark is what you want
177[01:24:06] <murphy42> try wireshark
178[01:24:09] <murphy42> lol
179[01:24:13] <murphy42> jinx
180[01:24:53] <Guest73847> thank u!
181[01:25:10] <murphy42> use wireshark to figure out what you want to ignore like broadcast traffic
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184[01:26:16] <murphy42> and use that to create a tcpump command that you can run in a terminal
185[01:26:16] <murphy42> less resources
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205[01:36:42] <Guest73847> hmm - very good - thank again
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215[01:44:33] <winsen> Hi all I tried to install debian live-gnome from usb but it says: "can't mount CD rom"
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242[01:51:49] <darkash> does nvidia have the best support on linux?
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273[02:04:52] <mkpgrmfreeagn> .bark
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277[02:05:57] <mkpgrmfreeagn> .bark
278[02:05:57] <doggu> woof
279[02:06:10] <buu> Hey, what could cause the 'bytes' counter on an interface to not increase over time? (I'm sshed into the machine so it's definitely doing something)
280[02:06:19] <buu> All the RX bytes show 0
281[02:06:24] <buu> From ifconfig a
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283[02:06:50] <somiaj> buu: does ip better report it?
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288[02:08:15] <abrotman> mkpgrmfreeagn: please take your bot elsewhere
289[02:08:35] <mkpgrmfreeagn> hes not doing anything
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296[02:09:28] <buu> somiaj: iplink is too confusing for me
297[02:09:34] <somiaj> darkash: don't know what you mean by best, but nvidia seems to provide decent non-free drivers in my experience. They are usually slow to support them and to keep up with changing xorg abi.
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300[02:09:53] <somiaj> buu: just looking for a command line tool to mointor trafic? iptraf?
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302[02:10:20] <buu> Yeah
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304[02:10:29] <buu> Also ip does in fact show me some rx/tx bytes
305[02:10:44] <somiaj> bmon and slurm seem to be suggested as well, slurm seems to have colored graphs
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309[02:12:03] <buu> Ahh, permissions.
310[02:12:09] <buu> somiaj: I'm a big fan of nload
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327[02:16:44] <buu> Ha
328[02:16:53] <buu> Successed.
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344[02:21:52] <SerajewelKS> is there a good differential backup tool in debian that doesn't require the base backup to work? e.g. it would write both the base backup image and an index (with mtimes and/or checksums) to compare against when creating future differential backups?
345[02:22:31] <abrotman> Wouldn't they all do that on first run?
346[02:22:54] <SerajewelKS> do what?
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352[02:24:19] <SerajewelKS> the differential backup tools i've used before require access to the full base backup in order to create a new differential backup
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355[02:26:52] <SerajewelKS> most of my googling points to rsync, but i'm looking to create a single-file backup that can be stored elsewhere, with the ability to create new differential backups without requiring access to the full backup archive.
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357[02:27:00] <SerajewelKS> perhaps rsync can do this, but i thought not
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368[02:32:21] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: well you need some recored of what you already have backedup. One way to do this is only back up files that have changed since a certain date.
369[02:33:09] <abrotman> SerajewelKS: how would you like to magically have this "base" backup without creating it?
370[02:33:12] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: right. i've heard of some tools in the past that would maintain just an index of the last full backup (file names, mtimes, perhaps a hash of the content) to use when making a new backup. but now i can't recall what these tools were called.
371[02:33:13] <somiaj> But without a copy of the files that changed on the backup end, you can't do a full differential backup directly.
372[02:33:38] <SerajewelKS> abrotman: of course you create the base backup, the question is whether you need that base backup to create a differential backup in the future
373[02:34:13] * abrotman wonders how you'd restore if you don't have the base ...
374[02:34:57] <SerajewelKS> abrotman: now i'm wondering if you are intentionally missing the point? of course you need the base to restore a differential backup, i'm looking for a tool that doesn't need the base to *create* a new backup.
375[02:35:23] <abrotman> So you want the client to maintain the record
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377[02:35:39] <SerajewelKS> abrotman: consider the case where a backup is stored remotely over the network and you have an asymmetric link providing more outbound than inbound bandwidth. it would be convenient not to have to recall the base backup to create a new differential backup.
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379[02:35:59] <SerajewelKS> and just locally maintain a record of what was in the last backup
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384[02:37:14] <SerajewelKS> it looks like dar might be what i was recalling
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415[02:48:01] <danielboston26> Hello
416[02:48:30] <danielboston26> anyone here using debian on a HP computer? i am having a issue getting my hp to boot from the usb key i made of debian
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418[02:48:38] <danielboston26> i have disabled secure boot
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420[02:48:55] <danielboston26> do i also need to enable legacy boot? shouldn't debian know about efi?
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424[02:51:50] <danielboston26> hmmm guess this chatroom is asleep
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426[02:52:12] <danielboston26> hi jeep are you alive?
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428[02:52:14] <abrotman> danielboston26: It should yes
429[02:52:17] <abrotman> !efi
430[02:52:17] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
431[02:52:33] <jeep> wierd greeter bot?
432[02:52:49] <danielboston26> hmm its weird then it won't boot
433[02:53:00] <danielboston26> im wondering if the usb key is messed up?
434[02:53:02] <missmbob> how exactly did you copy the iso to usb?
435[02:53:13] <danielboston26> using unetbootin
436[02:53:18] <missmbob> that's why
437[02:53:20] <missmbob> !unetbootin
438[02:53:21] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
439[02:53:28] <danielboston26> for some reason rufus wont see my usb disk
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441[02:53:34] <missmbob> rufus doesnt work either
442[02:53:35] <missmbob> !rufus
443[02:53:36] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
444[02:53:53] <missmbob> are you making it using windows?
445[02:54:01] <danielboston26> i see
446[02:54:05] <danielboston26> i did not knoe this
447[02:54:09] <danielboston26> yes i am
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449[02:54:20] <danielboston26> i do have a mac os computer i can use
450[02:54:24] <missmbob> you need to use win32diskimager (like the install instructions say)
451[02:54:33] <danielboston26> but currently my two pc's are both windows
452[02:54:35] <missmbob> no windows will work
453[02:54:47] <missmbob> !tell danielboston26 about win32diskimager
454[02:55:08] <danielboston26> i shall look that up
455[02:55:17] <danielboston26> i wasn't aware of that software
456[02:56:28] <danielboston26> thank you missmbob
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458[02:56:35] <danielboston26> you can go back to bed now
459[02:56:49] <missmbob> already there :P seriously.
460[02:57:09] <danielboston26> me too
461[02:57:16] <danielboston26> im laying in my bed on my laptop
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468[02:59:53] <danielboston26> you can use debian as a live cd correct?
469[03:00:00] <danielboston26> !livecd
470[03:00:01] <dpkg> A "live CD" (or live system) is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (replaced-url
471[03:00:29] <danielboston26> oh its a seperate thing?
472[03:00:29] <missmbob> you can. installing debian from the live iso isn't recommended (nor does live support uefi)
473[03:00:53] <danielboston26> i just want to see if this computer will run debian well
474[03:01:02] <danielboston26> not sure how well hp supports linux
475[03:01:40] <missmbob> as long as you remember clicking install on that live iso wont give you a working system
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477[03:01:57] <danielboston26> oh so the regular image won't do a live version?
478[03:02:00] <missmbob> no
479[03:02:05] <danielboston26> i see
480[03:02:11] <abrotman> HP supports linux fairly well
481[03:02:26] <danielboston26> well thats good to know
482[03:02:35] <missmbob> if it's a laptop you should use the firmware iso
483[03:02:39] <danielboston26> i had ubuntu installed on an old asus and that worked perfectly
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485[03:02:57] <danielboston26> missmbob whats that?
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487[03:03:01] <missmbob> !firmware iso
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489[03:03:01] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
490[03:03:10] <missmbob> helps with wifi firmware (and other things)
491[03:03:34] <danielboston26> ah can't you just get the ppo or whatever the debian version is
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494[03:03:54] <danielboston26> ppa*
495[03:03:57] <missmbob> you can do it after install, yes. it's just useful to have it working during install if you need wifi
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497[03:04:15] <missmbob> and debian doesn't do ppa. get that out of your head. if you use ppa's from ubuntu in debian you'll likely break shit
498[03:04:29] <danielboston26> right i would need that seeing as i don't have ethernet on this machine
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500[03:04:59] <danielboston26> missmbob just used to how things work in ubuntu
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505[03:06:07] <danielboston26> and no im not as dumb as to try a ubuntu ppa on debian
506[03:06:31] <missmbob> most newbies do try and we hear their cries
507[03:06:51] <danielboston26> im not a noob by any means
508[03:07:12] <danielboston26> but yes i get what your saying
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525[03:13:23] <danielboston26> thanks for your help guys
526[03:13:26] <danielboston26> see ya
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549[03:24:21] <Dohotacha> hello which command do i use to find all the active LAN users
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557[03:25:48] <missmbob> is that some kind of way of asking how to find active ip's on your subnet?
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559[03:26:08] <Dohotacha> yes u hit it dead on
560[03:26:21] <missmbob> sudo apt install arp-scan && sudo arp-scan 192.168.0.0/24
561[03:26:25] <missmbob> or whatever your subnet is
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564[03:26:39] <Dohotacha> thanks so much
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573[03:34:21] <Dohotacha> i want to see ips also
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578[03:36:28] <abrotman> Dohotacha: google "broadcast ping"
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608[03:56:00] <OS-24737> test
609[03:56:09] <sadiq2> test?
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689[04:43:22] <maroloccio> hi. the APT HOWTO says "obsolete docs". new one -> where?
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777[05:58:32] <monsune> what are the chances of rsync screwing up a file when transfering?
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795[06:06:49] <kristopolous> if you suspect there's a broken, uninstallable package that's a bigger-than-me problem, where would one go to report such a thing?
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803[06:12:16] <SerajewelKS> monsune: unlikely, though not impossible
804[06:12:18] <kunwon1> kristopolous: this may be appropriate: replaced-url
805[06:12:56] <SerajewelKS> monsune: if copying over ssh then i believe there are checks performed at multiple layers (TCP, SSH, rsync probably does some checking too)
806[06:13:05] <kunwon1> monsune: rsync does checksum verification on the data as it receives it over the wire, not after its written to disk - there is potential for errors to be made that rsync would not catch, but it should be rare
807[06:13:17] <monsune> kristopolous apt-cache show package_name and you shall find maintainer's email there
808[06:13:37] <SerajewelKS> monsune: if a file is corrupt then my first guess would be bad RAM or bad disk on the destination machine
809[06:13:41] <kristopolous> to be specific, in sid nvidia-graphics-drivers 367.57-2 appears to depend on xserver-xorg-core (<< 2:1.18.99) but the current xorg-server in sid is 2:1.19.0-2
810[06:13:55] <monsune> SerajewelKS, kunwon1 thank you very much
811[06:14:20] <kunwon1> kristopolous: sid is not designed to work
812[06:14:24] <kunwon1> so i don't think that's really a bug
813[06:14:24] <monsune> i'm just moving several terabytes and there is lots of time pressure... i won't be able to verify those files :/
814[06:14:28] <SerajewelKS> monsune: check with sha1sum on both machines, if the sums differ then maybe the source file was just modified during/after rsync's run?
815[06:14:47] <missmbob> kristopolous: please dont file a bug report
816[06:15:14] <SerajewelKS> monsune: if you are moving to a different machine that you have timely physical access to, using removable storage could be faster than using the network, depending how fast the network is
817[06:15:17] <kristopolous> so I shouldn't expect a core user interface?
818[06:15:29] <missmbob> kristopolous: in sid during an xorg transition? hell no
819[06:15:42] <missmbob> kristopolous: and this is the wrong place to be asking sid questions
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821[06:15:46] <monsune> SerajewelKS those are remote machines so no option to use removable
822[06:15:47] <missmbob> !debian-next
823[06:15:47] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
824[06:15:59] <missmbob> kristopolous: go there. and they'll tell you not to file one
825[06:16:04] <SerajewelKS> monsune: any possibility to run sha1sum after transferring?
826[06:16:08] <monsune> SerajewelKS i'm just wondering if there is a tool that would allow to mass-check sha1s
827[06:16:12] <kristopolous> well here's one question ... do those things move forward independently or is there some kind of "release"
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830[06:16:18] <SerajewelKS> monsune: yup. sha1sum. :)
831[06:16:28] <monsune> SerajewelKS i mean on both machines
832[06:16:29] <kristopolous> what I mean is that if I come back in say, 2 hours, could it be possible that it's fixed?
833[06:16:36] <kristopolous> because it's been broken for 2 days so far
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837[06:16:41] <SerajewelKS> monsune: well you can run sha1sum on both at the same time, sort both outputs, then diff them
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839[06:16:48] <missmbob> kristopolous: unlikely. yes, it can take several days
840[06:16:52] <kristopolous> also, debian-next is invite only
841[06:16:59] <Rusty1_> monsune: man rsync , see the -c option replaced-url
842[06:17:03] <missmbob> kristopolous: because you didn't read the whole message. it's on oftc, not freenode
843[06:17:04] <kristopolous> I'm not part of that inner circle
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845[06:17:06] <monsune> SerajewelKS "compare sha1s of 160k files and print names if any of them differs"
846[06:17:09] <kristopolous> oh
847[06:17:09] <monsune> differ*
848[06:17:12] <missmbob> kristopolous: you just dont pay attention
849[06:17:25] <monsune> Rusty1_ oh hm
850[06:17:29] <kristopolous> typically, no, it's a common problem of mine
851[06:17:35] <Rusty1_> Note that rsync always verifies that each transferred file was
852[06:17:36] <Rusty1_> correctly reconstructed on the receiving
853[06:17:57] <monsune> Rusty1_ oh that sounds really great
854[06:18:26] <monsune> Rusty1_ looks like i'm on the safe side...
855[06:19:07] <SerajewelKS> monsune: on both machines you could do this: find -type f -print0 | sort -z | xargs -0 sha1sum -b > checksums
856[06:19:31] <SerajewelKS> monsune: after the transfer is complete. then copy the "checksums" file from one machine to the other and diff it with the file generated on that machine.
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858[06:19:49] <monsune> SerajewelKS i do appreciate :) i could in fact do something like that but still i would need to compare those lists somehow
859[06:19:57] <SerajewelKS> monsune: that's what diff does
860[06:20:11] <monsune> true... not bad at all :)
861[06:20:21] <SerajewelKS> monsune: scp othermachine:checksums checksums.other; diff -U3 checksums checksums.other
862[06:20:48] <monsune> still, Rusty1_ said that rsync basically won't leave file without checking after the transfer is complete
863[06:20:57] <SerajewelKS> it shouldn't, no
864[06:21:23] <SerajewelKS> never hurts to check if the data is super critical, but if rsync didn't sync correctly then you either used the wrong options or you have hardware issues
865[06:21:25] <monsune> thus i might be just paranoid wanting to dig tru checksums
866[06:21:46] <monsune> well yeah we could assume potential hw problems
867[06:21:55] <SerajewelKS> it never hurts to have a healthy dose of paranoia if you are a sysadmin
868[06:22:03] <monsune> of course :)
869[06:22:03] <SerajewelKS> otherwise we would be using telnet instead of ssh
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871[06:22:17] <monsune> exactly :)
872[06:23:00] <SerajewelKS> i'd say the #1 cause of files not being in sync after an rsync is that they were modified on the source machine during/after the sync
873[06:23:21] <monsune> moving those files at a very high speed and really, it would be so nice if everything went without a single problem
874[06:23:36] <monsune> true
875[06:23:53] <monsune> that's why i also plan to shedule a 2nd run :)
876[06:24:28] <monsune> just wondering what method is rsync using to ensure the consistency
877[06:24:44] <monsune> it's going too fast so it can sha1 everything or something
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879[06:27:53] <SerajewelKS> monsune: sha1 isn't exactly slow. i mean there's overhead.
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881[06:28:15] <SerajewelKS> monsune: but the network is probably the bottleneck, which means it can do checksumming while it's waiting on the network.
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885[06:29:10] <SerajewelKS> monsune: if you're copying all new data (e.g. the destination is empty) AND you trust the network you're on (LAN or VPN) then you can use nc to remove the encryption overhead of ssh
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888[06:29:45] <SerajewelKS> monsune: (nc -l ... | tar -x) on the receiver and (tar -c ... | nc ...) on the sender. that will stream a tar archive directly over TCP.
889[06:30:23] <SerajewelKS> i have used this to migrate data between two machines connected to the switch under my desk. one of the machines was a lot slower and encryption was the bottleneck.
890[06:30:55] <SerajewelKS> using the nc+tar method, i was able to move the bottleneck to the receiver's disk's write throughput
891[06:31:07] <SerajewelKS> which more than tripled the transfer speed
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894[06:32:01] <SerajewelKS> obviously VPN still has encryption overhead, but if the VPN router is another machine, you offload that work. and if you were using rsync+ssh over a VPN already, you're double-encrypting everything.
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906[06:36:29] <monsune> SerajewelKS thank you very much :) you seem to know and understand a lot :) pleasure to read
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911[06:37:18] <SerajewelKS> monsune: np, i do this stuff a lot. i spent hours trying to set up rsh and get it to work with rsync (rsh has no encryption).
912[06:37:30] <SerajewelKS> monsune: in the end, tar+nc was a lot easier and worked just as well.
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915[06:38:29] <SerajewelKS> monsune: socat can work instead of nc if you want to use some other networking technology than straight TCP
916[06:39:52] <monsune> that would be fun :)
917[06:41:00] <monsune> btw i'm testing a trivial method of verifying files on both ends... a 2nd run of rsync using -c will compare checksums :)
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922[06:43:22] <monsune> there is just one problem... getting checksums of TBs of data will take too long
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935[06:50:50] <nbags> monsune: i remember using a tool that was actually designed to detect rootkits for that purpose.. can't remember what it was called
936[06:51:07] <nbags> but since then i have everything on btrfs so i just do a regular scrub
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939[06:55:26] <nbags> i had bad ram at one point silently eating files, and got real paranoid after that
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943[06:56:15] <nbags> rsync -c was how i discovered the problem
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961[07:05:43] <awal1> nbags: chkrootkit & rkhunter?
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963[07:06:27] <awal1> nvm
964[07:06:52] <monsune> nbags oh that's a really interesting approach
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1027[07:57:16] <tacomaster> if i have a usb wifi dongle that does not seem to be working well with wireless n is there a way that i can force it to use wireless g and disable wireless n
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1029[07:57:40] <tacomaster> Im using a rt2800usb
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1126[08:47:57] <Christ-is-born> Merry Christmas!
1127[08:48:16] <Christ-is-born> What Child is this who laid to rest On Mary's lap is sleeping?
1128[08:48:28] <Christ-is-born> Whom Angels greet with anthems sweet, while shepherds watch are keeping?
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1130[08:48:42] <Christ-is-born> This, this is Christ the King, whom shepherds guard and Angels sing
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1133[08:49:02] <Christ-is-born> Haste, haste, to bring Him laud, The Babe, the Son of Mary.
1134[08:49:15] <Christ-is-born> So bring Him incense, gold and myrrh, Come Peasant, King to own Him
1135[08:49:24] <awal1> Christ-is-born: bored?
1136[08:49:35] <Christ-is-born> awal1: a little
1137[08:49:40] <Christ-is-born> The King of Kings salvation brings, Let loving hearts enthrone Him.
1138[08:49:41] <monsune> and it's Nov.
1139[08:49:44] <SPF> !ot
1140[08:49:44] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
1141[08:49:51] <Christ-is-born> Raise, raise a song on high, the virgin sings her lullaby.
1142[08:50:06] <Christ-is-born> Joy, joy for Christ is born, the Babe, the Son of Mary.
1143[08:50:10] <awal1> Christ-is-born: is there any bridge near your home?
1144[08:50:15] <Christ-is-born> This, this is Christ the King, Whom shepherds guard and Angels sing
1145[08:50:19] <Christ-is-born> why do you ask?
1146[08:50:25] <Christ-is-born> Haste, haste, to bring Him laud, The Babe, the Son of Mary.
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1152[08:50:42] <awal1> you may want tu jump from the highest part
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1175[09:05:09] <Iota> Good morning, world!
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1177[09:06:47] <adac> 29-Nov-2016 04:10:06 Err replaced-url
1178[09:06:49] <adac> 29-Nov-2016 04:10:06 Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 5.153.231.35 80]
1179[09:07:11] <adac> these errors I get quite frequently around this time
1180[09:07:21] <adac> any ideas what might is causing that?
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1203[09:17:55] <missmbob> !httpredir issues
1204[09:17:55] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb replaced-url
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1216[09:21:38] <alioui_> hi all, i am looking for a tool that make live usb drive with persistent storage for debian os ?
1217[09:21:54] <alioui_> that run on windows
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1219[09:22:29] <alioui_> ??live
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1228[09:30:42] <alioui_> "live
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1253[09:43:33] <julius_> hi
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1261[09:45:42] <julius_> dpkg -L gconf-editor | grep '/usr/bin/g' outputs: /usr/bin/gconf-editor but: ls -alh /usr/bin/gconf-editor ls: cannot access /usr/bin/gconf-editor: No such file or directory
1262[09:45:42] <dpkg> No packages found matching gconf-editor | grep '/usr/bin/g' outputs: /usr/bin/gconf-editor but: ls -alh /usr/bin/gconf-editor ls: cannot access /usr/bin/gconf-editor: No such file or directory
1263[09:45:44] <julius_> wtf?
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1265[09:46:26] <julius_> as root, i can start gconf-editor (well, it cant open the display...surprise)
1266[09:46:50] <julius_> uh crap, installed from console on the wrong system
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1280[09:49:21] <julius_> but i got a real issue too, im looking for a way to disable removeable media popups where gnome ask me if i want to open nautilus. all the google hits show how to disable it on ubuntu...which of course does not work in debian
1281[09:49:24] <julius_> any ideas?
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1292[09:55:41] <awal1> julius_, check in gnome system settings, somewhere in default apps
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1297[09:56:43] <missmbob> gnome-control-panel->Details->Removable Media
1298[09:56:59] <missmbob> then check "Never promopt or start programs on media insertion"
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1444[11:07:57] <fredcooke> I had a strange issue the other day with a custom meta package hierarchy. Installed OK via dpkg -i and apt-get install -f, however on each subsequent iteration of install -f it would install and remove the same packages in turn.
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1447[11:08:32] <petn-randall> fredcooke: Sounds like you got some pinning wrong.
1448[11:08:34] <petn-randall> !bat
1449[11:08:34] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1450[11:08:38] <petn-randall> fredcooke: ^^^
1451[11:08:47] <Iridos> sounds batty
1452[11:09:03] <fredcooke> Can't reproduce it now, but also can't understand what could cause apt to resolve the tree differently on and off like that, the available packages didn't change between each calculation, only what was installed, and only those 5 or so libs
1453[11:09:05] <Iridos> how could apt install and remove the same package in one step
1454[11:09:22] <fredcooke> not one step
1455[11:09:26] <Iridos> ah
1456[11:09:26] <fredcooke> each subsequent step
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1458[11:09:36] <petn-randall> fredcooke: It offered to reinstall it all the time, right?
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1460[11:09:45] <fredcooke> i can't reproduce it now anyway
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1462[11:09:53] <Iridos> well… bit hard to check on anything if you cannot reproduce it
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1464[11:09:57] <fredcooke> no, on one step, it would install 5, run again, it would remove the same 5
1465[11:09:59] <fredcooke> repeat
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1467[11:10:29] <fredcooke> purely a curiosity at this point, but someone in here may understand better than I, only been using Deb daily since woody ;-)
1468[11:10:55] <missmbob> often that has to do with post-inst scripts failing
1469[11:11:11] <fredcooke> how? i saw no failures
1470[11:11:36] <missmbob> i have no idea what you saw. you cant even reproduce so this is kinda dumb. you asked for a possibility and that's one
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1472[11:12:16] <glet> can someone help me how to find oss channel?
1473[11:12:22] <Iridos> I don't see that that's even a possible behavior… but if you can't pastebin what you saw… what is there to check on
1474[11:12:54] <fredcooke> open to anything that helps me understand :-) apologies for no longer having the issue. drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 Jul 12 2011 var < this sid box. I tend to be able to help an iffy dep tree through tough times :-)
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1477[11:13:21] <missmbob> ask the right place next time
1478[11:13:24] <missmbob> !debian-next
1479[11:13:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1482[11:14:03] <fredcooke> i have a number of flavours, you make too many assumptions, this was not on a sid box
1483[11:14:19] <fredcooke> it was a generic deb question, how is it possible that apt would calculate differently on subsequent executions
1484[11:14:23] <fredcooke> that's all
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1486[11:14:58] <themill> fredcooke: it sounds like you're reusing version strings. Don't do that.
1487[11:15:16] <fredcooke> reusing version strings?
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1491[11:15:50] <Iridos> using the same version for a self-made package as the version in the repo
1492[11:15:55] <themill> quite
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1499[11:16:40] <Iridos> but that still wouldn't give you that behavior… anyway, too speculative
1500[11:16:43] <fredcooke> none of my packages are in any repo except one on a xenial laptop in the lounge, and one stale gitg deb from not even sure which distro/version which I install on everything because 3.x is crap
1501[11:17:16] <themill> yeah, um. Please pick a distro and something specific to talk about
1502[11:17:19] <Iridos> glet… gorn
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1510[11:17:48] <fredcooke> i'm talking about a concept, figured that'd be okay in the channel for the root of that concept's design
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1512[11:18:18] <themill> vague nonspecific questions get vague nonspecific answers
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1514[11:18:24] <fredcooke> fine :-)
1515[11:18:29] <themill> "
1516[11:18:42] <themill> "HTF would we know" will be your next answer.
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1522[11:19:26] <fredcooke> 'twas as much for your interest as for my curiosity. an odd case, the first i've seen it in 20 years and I don't understand - which is rare.
1523[11:20:03] <fredcooke> the things it was in-and-out-ing were transitive deps, not direct under any of my meta packages
1524[11:20:06] <themill> I've seen that plenty of times before and it's always when people reuse version strings.
1525[11:20:06] <Iridos> btw. any idea why tab completion for pumount on the automounted disks on /media doesn't work in jessie?
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1529[11:21:02] <fredcooke> ahhhh, maybe, maybe you're onto something there. will play tomorrow night and report back if i can reproduce it - though it would not be me doing so
1530[11:21:03] <Iridos> oh, because it only autocompletes devices, noth paths
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1532[11:21:47] <themill> Iridos: yeah, sometimes smart tab completion gets it wrong
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1536[11:23:10] <darkash> Do you have to indent 4 spaces in python?
1537[11:23:24] <somiaj> darkash: you can vary the number
1538[11:23:35] <somiaj> you just have to be consistant within a block I belive.
1539[11:23:42] <darkash> ok
1540[11:23:44] <themill> darkash: the rest of the world will hate you if you do something different
1541[11:24:00] <missmbob> darkash: replaced-url
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1543[11:24:10] <themill> Some things are enforced by peer pressure.
1544[11:24:14] <darkash> even if the code is easy to understand
1545[11:24:18] <fredcooke> lol
1546[11:25:03] <Iridos> #bash would be pleased… p[u]mount bash completion is parsing the output of ls, if I'm not mistaken
1547[11:25:13] <fredcooke> darkash: try "import this" in the interpreter :-)
1548[11:25:45] <themill> “Perl doesn't have an infatuation with enforced privacy. It would prefer that you stayed out of its living room because you weren't invited, not because it has a shotgun” ― Larry Wall
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1550[11:26:11] <themill> (same thing for conventions in every language)
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1555[11:29:22] <Iridos> pretty sure virtual basic has a shotgun… and the button for launching nuclear missiles… err… how did we get here?
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1557[11:31:24] <Iridos> anyway, how many "spaces" is a tab character? 1? 8?
1558[11:31:33] <fredcooke> 2? 4?
1559[11:31:54] <halloLeute> hi, i have libreoffice 4.x, but currently version 5.x. How do I upgrade to 5.x?
1560[11:32:14] <themill> halloLeute: libreoffice is available via jessie-backports
1561[11:32:21] <themill> dpkg: tell halloLeute about jessie-backports
1562[11:32:33] <halloLeute> what is jessie-backports?
1563[11:32:41] <SwedeMike> Iridos: that's configurable.
1564[11:33:01] <Iridos> what could possibly go wrong
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1584[11:38:12] <Iridos> uh, that bash completion thing…
1585[11:38:17] <Iridos> it's devices="$( grep $mdir /proc/mounts | sed -e 's,.*/$mdir/,,;s,\ .*,,;s,$.*$,\1\n/dev/\1,;s,/dev//dev,/dev,' )"
1586[11:38:31] <themill> nom
1587[11:38:58] <styler2go> What's the best way to open a UI using a udev rule? Should i create a file using udev and then poll it using some looped sh file?
1588[11:39:04] <Iridos> sed -e 's,.*/$mdir/,,; …' does nothing, because $mdir cannot be expanded and sed searches for a literal '$/mdir/' ??
1589[11:39:05] <Iridos> wtf
1590[11:39:20] <Iridos> or do I see that wrong
1591[11:39:46] <Iridos> and it's mdir=/media if /media isn't a soft-link somewhere
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1596[11:42:13] <jost> Hi! Are there already (trustworthy) debian repositories providing PHP 7.1?
1597[11:42:30] <missmbob> jost: for stable?
1598[11:43:52] <jost> missmbob: jessie, 8.6 - is that current stable?
1599[11:44:28] <missmbob> that's stable. and 7.1 is still an RC. stable doesnt get new software after it's released besides security updates and minor fixes
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1602[11:45:35] <jost> missmbob: Doesn't need to be an official repository, a trustworthy third party repo would do - it's for an CI server
1603[11:45:47] <missmbob> it's not released yet.
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1605[11:45:52] <missmbob> so no
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1607[11:46:11] <missmbob> and dotdeb, your only real alternative once it's released, isn't highly recommended
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1609[11:47:26] <jost> missmbob: ok :(
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1611[11:47:38] <jost> I guess I'll have to wait or compile it myself then
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1613[11:47:57] <jost> thanks
1614[11:48:02] <missmbob> stretch will probably have it once it's released in spring
1615[11:48:35] <themill> it already is spring!
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1617[11:49:12] <missmbob> i need to move. winter just started :P
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1619[11:49:24] <themill> no, winter is coming :þ
1620[11:49:36] <Iridos> themill, well… devices="$( grep $mdir /proc/mounts | mawk '{print $1}' )" seems to do the same… and mawk '{print $2}' prints the mounted paths
1621[11:49:50] <jost> missmbob: I need it much earlier, dotdeb would be fine - it's an integration server, and we want to test our software with the new version ASAP
1622[11:50:10] <jost> ofc dotdeb does not provide 7.1 yet, thus the question
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1626[11:51:08] <Iridos> at least in the final completion… the original printed every device name out twice… for whatever reasons. Maybe it's required, but the completion still seems to work without it
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1640[11:56:39] <deepbluv> is there a serial pic microcontroller software?
1641[11:56:54] <deepbluv> is there a serial pic microcontroller programmer software?
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1644[11:57:55] <deepbluv> is there a serial pic microcontroller programmer softwaredebian package?
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1647[11:59:06] <petemc> apt-cache search pic controller
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1653[12:00:30] <Iridos> shht, the line was still growing
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1655[12:03:12] <deepbluv> petemc: will you please run this for me for I don't have acces to a debian machine right now
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1671[12:08:08] <deepbluv> is i368 same as 64-bit?
1672[12:08:17] <themill> no
1673[12:08:32] <fovely> i386 is 32 bit
1674[12:08:41] <fovely> 368*
1675[12:08:45] <themill> !i386
1676[12:08:45] <dpkg> Debian's i386 port is for some subset of the 32-bit x86 instruction set as has grown organically over the years. From Debian 6 Squeeze onwards, only 586 machines and newer are supported, while from Debian 9 Stretch, only 686 processors will be supported. See replaced-url
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1694[12:13:54] <deepbluv> so picpgm-2.9.2.0-linux-i386.tar will not work for amd64?
1695[12:14:23] <xormor> deepbluv, multi-arch, multiarch
1696[12:14:51] <xormor> deepbluv, you have to install the multiarch packages for i386 (that are in fact i586 or i686)
1697[12:15:18] <deepbluv> xormor: great,thanx a lot
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1699[12:16:17] <deepbluv> petemc: got it noe,thanx a lot
1700[12:16:26] <deepbluv> now*
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1704[12:19:24] <hxr4mp3> Is there a way to force max GPU clock speed?
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1769[12:57:28] <m3nda> Hi. I am triying to boot from an eMMC but seems that won't do it. I can boot from every other USB, wondering if i could try to just paste a Live iso on it
1770[12:58:10] <m3nda> Tried with both 32/64bit versions
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1777[13:00:28] <Ke> m3nda: is your eMMC on USB mass storage adapter or what?
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1779[13:01:00] <m3nda> unsure, it's built-in eMMC, so it is not SSD in exact terms
1780[13:01:19] <Ke> you said "from every other USB"
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1782[13:01:21] <m3nda> eMMC is like a shitty interface for sdcards.
1783[13:01:33] <Ke> which device is this
1784[13:01:33] <themill> Lots of firmware can't boot of that
1785[13:01:35] <m3nda> well, said that my mb can boot from usb, like live distros
1786[13:01:53] <m3nda> it is Lenovo kp10s, means 100s14lbr
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1788[13:02:02] <m3nda> i read about older devices, mine is a new one
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1790[13:02:26] <m3nda> i saw older W10 partitions, which includes the EFI system
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1792[13:02:56] <Ke> anyway, probably firmware issue then anyway
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1794[13:03:19] <m3nda> i do suspect that i can simply copy a livecd into it but not sure on how can i install it
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1796[13:03:50] <m3nda> seems that is time to learn again :-/
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1808[13:06:36] <yasir> i have problem in conecting internet via cli
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1863[13:32:13] <velix> How can I mix two entries in SUDOers? I want to have password for all, but for sftp server: no sudo password
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1865[13:33:28] <tehfreakjoe> guys fn key isnt working
1866[13:33:47] <tehfreakjoe> strugling since last night and havent find a soluction
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1888[13:50:19] <tdn> Is there a v5.3 backport of Digikam for Debian 8?
1889[13:50:25] <tdn> If so, where do I find it?
1890[13:50:28] <petn-randall> ,v digikam
1891[13:50:29] <judd> Package: digikam on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:2.6.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 4:4.4.0-1.1; jessie-backports: 4:4.14.0-3~bpo8+1; sid: 4:5.3.0-1; stretch: 4:5.3.0-1
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1893[13:50:51] <petn-randall> tdn: No, there's only 4.4.0 or 4.14.0 in jessie.
1894[13:51:02] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport digikam
1895[13:51:07] <judd> Backporting package digikam in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.15.21), extra-cmake-modules (>= 1.7.0), qtbase5-dev (>= 5.4.0), qtbase5-dev-tools (>= 5.4.0), libkf5akonadicontact-dev, libkf5calendarcore-dev, libkf5filemetadata-dev, libkf5kipi-dev, libkf5notifications-dev, libkf5notifyconfig-dev, libkf5sane-dev, libkf5threadweaver-dev.
1896[13:51:13] <tdn> petn-randall, ok :(
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1898[13:51:26] <jelly> kde5, not bloody likely
1899[13:52:04] <tdn> jelly, do you know when kde5 is planned for inclusion in debian?
1900[13:52:37] <jelly> tdn: it's present in stretch (current testing, to become next release)
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1903[13:53:09] <jelly> so... if you're asking when stretch will release
1904[13:53:13] <jelly> !wwsr
1905[13:53:13] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
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1910[13:53:56] <jelly> if you're brave enough you can try using it and report all the breakage you find
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1928[14:02:01] <tehfreakjoe> Anyone got a clue how to remove roccat-drivers all of them, from linux ?
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1932[14:03:34] <missmbob> you compile your own kernel
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1934[14:04:05] <missmbob> tehfreakjoe: replaced-url
1935[14:04:23] <tehfreakjoe> TUNKS
1936[14:04:25] <tehfreakjoe> soz caps
1937[14:04:36] <Iridos> deja vue
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1940[14:06:14] <velix> Is this correct? I can't verify, since sftp-server doesn't return anything: replaced-url
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1964[14:19:34] <tdn> jelly, ok
1965[14:20:32] <tdn> jelly, I still have a few debian 7 machines that are not upgraded to 8 yet, so I think I better focus on getting them up to date :)
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2038[14:53:02] <hellyeah> it is not possible to install hadoop on debian?
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2040[14:53:46] <jelly> !ask
2041[14:53:47] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2043[14:54:13] <hellyeah> try to install hadoop on debian
2044[14:54:22] <tarik> hi all
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2047[14:55:08] <jpastore> up my fan speed?
2048[14:55:26] <jpastore> is there a way to manually up my fan speed?
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2050[14:56:02] <tarik> I've question about Vnc in debian
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2055[14:58:08] <tarik> Is it possible to install vnc or (any remote desktop client) without gnom or kde .. (Desktop environment)? if so what is the package need to be instaled?
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2057[14:59:23] <ksk> tarik: I would expect vnc clients to only depend on X?
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2060[15:00:53] <ksk> tarik: for example tigervnc-viewer does not seem to depend on any specific desktop (don't know the tool, just did an aptitude search vnc)
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2062[15:01:59] <qqx> xtightvncviewer is another that doesn't require a desktop. I've used it in the past, but it's been a long time since I've done much with VNC.
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2066[15:03:26] <tarik> Thanks ksk & qqx thats what i want to know, so it possible to running a remote desktop without desktop environment installed.
2067[15:03:52] <tarik> I'll try both tigervnc-viewer & xtightvncviewer
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2092[15:15:10] <ksk> xtightvnc is good, used that a whiel a go.
2093[15:15:29] <ksk> or, its tight ;)
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2130[15:30:03] <jhutchins> tarik: There are about six vnc projects for linux. They are not all compatible, some clients will not work with some servers.
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2185[15:57:13] <ksk> xtightvnc works with the server shipped by barallels bare metal server thingy ;)
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2228[16:18:34] <jhutchins> ~
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2253[16:28:24] <tehfreakjoe> oh boy my mousepad & mouse arrives today
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2263[16:33:15] * tehfreakjoe ding dong
2264[16:33:21] * tehfreakjoe who is it !!!!!!!!
2265[16:33:27] <tehfreakjoe> :P
2266[16:33:32] <tehfreakjoe> waiting..
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2270[16:35:52] <HJfFun> Toc Toc
2271[16:35:59] <HJfFun> who is it ?
2272[16:36:09] <HJfFun> SYN Flood...
2273[16:36:19] <HJfFun> who syn Flood ??
2274[16:36:26] <HJfFun> Toc Toc :)
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2278[16:37:04] <jan_nabot> Is it possible to set alternative net interface configuration through /etc/network/interfaces? For example if interface fails to obtain ip from dhcp it falls back to manual settings
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2326[17:02:13] <tehfreakjoe> :P
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2374[17:21:20] <todd_dsm> is this the right channel for debian EC2 issues or is there a better channel?
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2376[17:21:55] <petn-randall> todd_dsm: Depends on if the issue is about Debian or about EC2 ...
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2380[17:22:54] <todd_dsm> petn-randall: debian fo sho
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2384[17:23:58] <petn-randall> todd_dsm: Then ask ahead :)
2385[17:23:59] <petn-randall> !ask
2386[17:23:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2388[17:24:07] <todd_dsm> I can install packages while building from an ISO - no issues. When moving out to EC2 there are AMIs pre-build by debian that we can use to build upon.
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2390[17:25:02] <todd_dsm> When using these images ("source_ami": "ami-8f7bd9ef") I can't get pip to install on it.
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2393[17:25:34] <todd_dsm> I'm wondering if I should be approaching pip a different way?
2394[17:25:49] <todd_dsm> lots of posts about this, very few answers.
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2403[17:26:54] <todd_dsm> For example, is it assumed that pip should be pulled down in a container like python can be?
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2407[17:28:05] <petn-randall> todd_dsm: What error do you get with what pip command?
2408[17:28:28] <petn-randall> todd_dsm: paste it to replaced-url
2409[17:28:41] <todd_dsm> it's not a pip error, apt-get just can't install it.
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2411[17:29:46] <petn-randall> todd_dsm: What's the apt-get error then?
2412[17:29:57] <petn-randall> dpkg: tell todd_dsm about bat
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2414[17:30:22] <todd_dsm> I'll paste it in, hang on...
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2427[17:39:36] <todd_dsm> PFFT! it just worked.
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2429[17:40:00] <todd_dsm> didn't change a thin; just re-ran it. Grrrr
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2444[17:46:26] <petn-randall> todd_dsm: Glad we could help :)
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2446[17:47:33] <todd_dsm> so aggravating but thanks for being there :-)
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2459[17:54:48] <gshrikant> Where should the user-defined polkit permissions files go? Is the correct place /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d?
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2463[17:55:21] <petn-randall> !tell gshrikant -about crosspost
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2466[17:55:55] <gshrikant> petn-randall: Sorry, I figured that channel wasn't active. Apologies!
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2486[18:04:12] <petn-randall> gshrikant: They're both very active from a IRC point of view. You just need to know that IRC channels don't have 24/7 chatting, but most people idle in here.
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2496[18:06:31] <gshrikant> petn-randall: I'll keep that in mind. Thank you!
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2542[18:26:33] <wpd> Hey guys! I am using triggerhappy daemon on debian to link a keyboard event with shutdown. Since triggerhappydaemon runs the events as `nobody` user, I am not able to shutdown the system.
2543[18:26:53] <wpd> I dont have X and can't use xbindkeys either
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2548[18:28:26] <Brigo_> wpd, i think logind take care of that with systemd
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2552[18:30:03] <wpd> @Brigo_ I am binding a custom key event with shutdown. Is there any way to do this other than triggerhappy
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2561[18:32:33] <Brigo_> wpd, i thougt you were asking about how to handle the permissions, buy yes there are other programs for doing that too.
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2568[18:34:17] <urbancohort> Shouldn't it be possible with changing sudoers file for shutdown and just binding a key for shutdown command?
2569[18:34:37] <urbancohort> with nopasswd
2570[18:35:19] <Iridos> doesn't the power button already do that thing without the need to change anything?
2571[18:35:32] <urbancohort> This one is for ubuntu but probably applies to your case: replaced-url
2572[18:36:12] <urbancohort> Then just bind command "shutdown -h now" to some keys
2573[18:36:23] <Pr0metheus> network problem: it takes, e.g., 8 seconds to start loading google altough on other devices it loads instantly. I am connected over ethernet on a router. I noticed also that i have under Wired connected an Ethernet Connection 1 and Ifupdown. Any suggestions?
2574[18:37:35] <greycat> The first one to ask for replaced-url
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2576[18:37:44] <greycat> The second one to ask probably gets a cache DNS response.
2577[18:38:17] <Pr0metheus> they both connect through the same router
2578[18:38:45] <petn-randall> Pr0metheus: is the output of 'time host google.com'?
2579[18:38:49] <petn-randall> *what
2580[18:39:17] <Iridos> actually on my laptop eth0 also is also always up after a reboot and that sometimes leads to big delays until I "ifdown" it
2581[18:39:48] <wpd> @urbancohort My whoami output is nobody. I am not sure nobody can shutdown the system
2582[18:39:55] <Iridos> maybe that's the same thing
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2584[18:40:08] <wpd> By default, triggerhappy runs scripts as nobody
2585[18:40:24] <Pr0metheus> petn-randall replaced-url
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2589[18:42:10] <Pr0metheus> i guess 12 seconds is tragic...
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2591[18:42:50] <DoberMann> Pr0metheus: seems your dns server is quite slow ;p
2592[18:42:59] <urbancohort> The link above explains how to run shutdown command without sudo.
2593[18:42:59] <greycat> Certainly seems like a DNS issue of some kind. Check your resolv.conf.
2594[18:43:15] <Pr0metheus> DoberMann this happens only on my desktop
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2596[18:43:19] <Iridos> wpd, why can't you just press the power button, which initiates a clean shutdown?
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2598[18:44:08] <Pr0metheus> resolv conf says # Generated by the Network Manager and has 2 nameservers (router address and one ip6 address)
2599[18:44:09] <DoberMann> Pr0metheus: check if you have same dns servers defined in /etc/resolv.conf
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2602[18:44:42] <Pr0metheus> ip6: fe80::1%eth1
2603[18:44:50] <Pr0metheus> dobermann what do you mean by same?
2604[18:44:56] <greycat> Between the two boxes.
2605[18:45:03] <DoberMann> same than anothe rhost working fine
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2608[18:45:53] <Pr0metheus> the ip4 address is correct it points to the router
2609[18:46:18] <Pr0metheus> the other entry fe80::1%eth1 i don't know if i can verify it
2610[18:46:30] <greycat> I think that's some form of loopback.
2611[18:46:57] <DoberMann> Pr0metheus: last time i had such a problem it went away with stopping/removing avahi-daemon
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2613[18:48:05] <Pr0metheus> DoberMann i have it installed, do i need it?:P
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2615[18:49:05] <DoberMann> if you don't plan to use any zeroconf utility you should'nt
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2617[18:50:05] <Pr0metheus> ok i will investigate, you gave me ideas
2618[18:50:13] <Pr0metheus> thanks:)
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2632[18:57:30] <ElinKattunge> People should know better than to install foreign packages they know nothing about!
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2638[18:58:37] <Iridos> ElinKattunge, ah? dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l <--- about how many packages do you know all the intimate details? ^ ^
2639[18:58:57] <greycat> But those aren't *foreign* unless you've made a frankendebian.
2640[18:59:12] <ElinKattunge> APT is terrible
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2642[18:59:26] <ElinKattunge> the default options allow it to install unnecessary dependancies
2643[18:59:26] <Iridos> pft. next thing, you'll build a wall to mex… err ubuntu
2644[18:59:41] <ElinKattunge> and it often breaks
2645[18:59:45] <ElinKattunge> I prefer pacman
2646[18:59:48] <greycat> For most people, things work by default.
2647[19:00:15] <ElinKattunge> and then one day...
2648[19:00:21] <Iridos> it mostly break if you make frankendebians
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2650[19:00:25] <ElinKattunge> bang, you end up installing a broken package
2651[19:00:30] <Iridos> breaks*
2652[19:00:36] <ElinKattunge> I find a lot of em in the repos
2653[19:00:42] <greycat> A lot of what?
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2655[19:00:48] <ElinKattunge> Broken packages
2656[19:00:55] <greycat> Such as?
2657[19:00:57] <Iridos> funny, I don't … maybe we're not using the same repos
2658[19:01:18] <missmbob> if you use sid maybe. this isn't the right place to bitch about sid being broken, though. that place doesn't exist
2659[19:01:20] <ElinKattunge> Like the other day, I was installing nginx-extra and onlyoffice-documentserver
2660[19:01:26] <ElinKattunge> I don't use sid
2661[19:01:39] <ElinKattunge> and the install failed
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2663[19:02:04] <missmbob> do you actually want help with it or are you just ranting because you feel like it?
2664[19:02:09] <greycat> Which one failed, and what does the bug report say?
2665[19:02:14] <ElinKattunge> Just a rant
2666[19:02:19] <missmbob> great. thanks.
2667[19:02:28] <greycat> judd v nginx-extra
2668[19:02:29] <judd> No package named 'nginx-extra' was found in amd64.
2669[19:02:42] <greycat> judd v onlyoffice-documentserver
2670[19:02:43] <judd> No package named 'onlyoffice-documentserver' was found in amd64.
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2672[19:02:46] <DoberMann> Pr0metheus: juste read my notes : in fact that was an issue with rdnssd and/or resolvconf : remove rdnssd or install resolvconf in addition to it
2673[19:02:50] <ElinKattunge> I meant nginx-extras
2674[19:02:58] <greycat> judd v nginx-extras
2675[19:02:59] <judd> Package: nginx-extras on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2+b1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1.9.10-1~bpo8+4; sid: 1.10.2-2; stretch: 1.10.2-2; experimental: 1.11.6-1~exp1
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2678[19:04:05] <ElinKattunge> Hi judd ! :)
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2694[19:10:22] <bgat> I'm seeking some advice on packaging of custom kernels for embedded (armhf) targets.
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2696[19:10:48] <Ke> kernel-package tool make-kpkg is nice and moderately easy
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2698[19:11:20] <Ke> just get sources and configure and then make-kpkg with appropriate options
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2701[19:11:47] <bgat> In a nutshell, the kernel I'm building is a modified 4.4.35, but I expect to go to .36, .37, etc. over time. Should I name the binary packages linux-xyz-4.4.35, linux-xyz-4.4.36, etc.? Is there a way to automate the package name based on KVER?
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2703[19:12:13] <Iridos> you saw replaced-url
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2705[19:13:10] <bgat> I've looked at make-kpkg in the past, and concluded that it didn't quite get me there. I'll take another look at it right now.
2706[19:13:22] <missmbob> dont. make-kpkg is deprecated
2707[19:13:23] <bgat> Looking at kernel-handbook now, too.
2708[19:13:29] <bgat> Well, then. :-)
2709[19:13:39] <missmbob> you're supposed to use what the kernel handbook says, which is make deb-pkg
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2715[19:14:14] <bgat> Right, I'm using deb-pkg. But my kernel is a modified pristine one, so the packaging is starting kinda from scratch.
2716[19:14:28] <missmbob> bgat: that's fine. read the handbook.
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2718[19:14:59] <n4dir> bgat: back then there was --revision "datestamp" and --append-to-version="yada-yada". If that is a) still valid and b) what you are looking for is beyond me.
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2721[19:15:37] <bgat> n4dir: you mean, as parameters to dpkg?
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2723[19:16:05] <n4dir> back then make-pkg was used. so no, not to dpkg (i guess).
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2725[19:16:43] <n4dir> like said. out of date (and i don't know if it will help you, look at the make-pkg arguments) replaced-url
2726[19:17:15] <n4dir> sorry: s/make-pkg/make-kpkg
2727[19:17:18] <greycat> Might be better to look for the current equivalent.
2728[19:17:33] <n4dir> i meant that ^^
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2745[19:21:54] <bgat> Ok, so... running "make deb-pkg" on a pristine kernel seems to at least build some stuff (it's running now)...
2746[19:22:20] <bgat> (When you said "deb-pkg", I thought you meant "dpkg-buildpackage" with my own debian/control, etc.)
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2748[19:22:51] <petn-randall> bgat: No, 'deb-pkg' is really a target in the Makefile.
2749[19:23:05] <bgat> petn-randall: Yep, I just learned that. :-)
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2752[19:23:32] <bgat> And now I also know why the "clean" script in the pristine trees nukes the debian/ directory. :-)
2753[19:23:59] <bgat> (Because deb-pkg creates its own, I guess.)
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2762[19:26:26] <Iridos> isn't learning fun
2763[19:26:37] <bgat> Sometimes. :-)
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2767[19:26:54] <bgat> I still don't know if these work products will work for an embedded target.
2768[19:26:55] <Slimmy> Hey guys
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2771[19:27:59] <Slimmy> I accidentally messed up my nvidia drivers. When I rebooted I had no gui, just a black screen. Logged into tty and did apt-get remove nvidia-*. Whenever I do apt-get install nvidia-driver and nvidia-xconfig I get the black screen again
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2773[19:28:08] <Slimmy> Now I have gui, but it's on really low resolution
2774[19:28:12] <Slimmy> How can I fix that?
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2778[19:30:37] <mns> I am on debian/testing and OpenNTPD keeps failing to start up. I get errors in /var/log/syslog about "ntpd: can't set priority: Permission denied" and "ntp: chroot: Operation not permitted". It does say that the configuration is OK. Any ideas on why its getting permission denied when I'm starting it as root using "systemctl start openntpd"
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2781[19:31:47] <petn-randall> dpkg: debian-next mns
2782[19:31:48] <dpkg> mns: #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net).
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2786[19:33:38] <n4dir> bgat: just an idea: can't you test if the result will work via qemu or such?
2787[19:33:59] <bgat> n4dir: I've got the actual target hardware, so I can test on that. :-)
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2789[19:34:13] <n4dir> lol. well: that is an option too, i guess :-)
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2792[19:35:20] <bgat> I think that the output from deb-pkg is almost what I want. Maybe I'll use that to generate the basic control and rules file, and then modify them as needed and then rebuild with dpkg-buildpackage (or whatever deb-pkg uses).
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2794[19:36:10] <bgat> The main thing I was after was insight into how the control file can be made to track the kernel version you're actually building.
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2799[19:37:00] <bgat> Whoops. :-)
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2809[19:38:21] <thedogcatcher> When I purchased my Lenovo Ideapad a year ago and started using Debian testing, the FN key brightness control did not work. I found a fix online that allowed me to change the brightness from Gnome's quick settings dropdown, but the buttons still didn't work. Does anyone know what this fix was?
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2811[19:38:34] <greycat> !debian-next
2812[19:38:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2825[19:44:05] <jhutchins> thedogcatcher: We don't know what the random fix you found online was, but does the Gnome setting still work?
2826[19:44:46] <thedogcatcher> jhutchins: Yes it still works, I was just wondering if anyone else had heard of this or knew where I could look to find how I did it.
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2829[19:46:28] <jhutchins> thedogcatcher: It's pretty common for function keys to not work in linux unless they're on a really common brand that uses really consistent standards. Function keys are not part of the x86 computer specs.
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2833[19:46:55] <greycat> ... huh?
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2836[19:47:27] <jhutchins> thedogcatcher: Some laptops have a pseudo file in /sys/class/backlight that contains the brightness value. You can write a new value to that file to change the brightness.
2837[19:47:40] * greycat reads up... oh, you don't mean function keys as in F1, F2, ..., F12. You mean laptop crap.
2838[19:47:59] <thedogcatcher> jhutchins: The rest of the function keys work (volume, display off, keyboard backlight etc.). I know about the sysfs config, but do you know where the gnome stuff would be?
2839[19:48:00] <jhutchins> greycat: Yeah, usually Fn modifier.
2840[19:48:27] <Akuli> this keyboard has some of that stuff even though it's a real keyboard, not a laptop's keyboard :)
2841[19:48:27] <jhutchins> thedogcatcher: I try pretty hard to know as little about gnome as I can get away with.
2842[19:48:49] <greycat> Someone needs to come up with an unambiguous way to refer to these laptop-hardware-specific keys.
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2844[19:49:02] <jhutchins> Akuli: Yeah, so does this logitech wireless, and some have 23 special buttons across the top.
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2847[19:49:28] <jhutchins> greycat: I usually call 'em function keys, and the standard keys F keys.
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2851[19:49:47] <Iridos> and you probably should't call them "crap" these days, but, uh, differently good or so
2852[19:49:50] <greycat> I had a USB keyboard with music control keys on my desktop computer at home, previously, and I used .fvwm2rc bindings to map those to nyxmms2 commands. But my current keyboard doesn't have 'em.
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2856[19:50:50] <thedogcatcher> Currently grepping my entire system for anything that has to do with brightness
2857[19:50:52] <greycat> So I used Ctrl-Alt-P and so on, and then google-chrome decided it wanted to use THOSE, so I had to add an exception to not process Ctrl-Alt-B when the focus is on a Chrome window. :(
2858[19:51:01] <jhutchins> thedogcatcher: If you can get the keyscancodes for the keys, you might be able to assign a command to them. Trouble is digging the command out of gnome.
2859[19:51:09] <petn-randall> thedogcatcher: IIRC it's a kernel parameter option that you in grub.
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2863[19:52:51] <jhutchins> thedogcatcher: At various times there have been extended-key support files for specific laptops, like toshiba-hotkeys or some such package.
2864[19:53:18] <jhutchins> thedogcatcher: aptitude search keys, aptitude search ~dkeys
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2872[19:56:41] <Iridos> those special laptop things are weird… I have an lenovo T420s … there is a "mute" key
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2875[19:57:29] <Iridos> it produces XF86AudioMute events… and with the 3.16 kernel from jessie, it also mutes the machine… with the 4.7 kernel from bpo, it produces the same event, but doesn't actually mute
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2882[19:59:35] <Iridos> and I don't even see logs or stuff … it's just magic… or with a newer kernel, it's just noe
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2905[20:10:23] <SnakePlissLA> anyone have a recommendation on how to automount a drive? It's just an external drive. It used to automount but now I have to go and select the drive to mount.
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2907[20:10:53] <nkuttler> !automount
2908[20:10:53] <dpkg> If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <kde automount>, <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usbmount>, <pmount> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
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2948[20:24:01] <cheesus> so I installed some bitmap fonts, they're shown in fc-list after fc-cache -fv. They're not, however, available in gnome-tweak-tool, nor are they in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/fonts.alias. How can I fix this? Do I need to dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config?
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2950[20:24:35] <cheesus> (the fonts are stored in /usr/share/fonts/bitmap)
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2957[20:27:44] <Iridos> maybe gnome-tweak-tool isn't listing bitmap fonts
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2964[20:28:27] <cheesus> I did need to dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config to enable bitmaps
2965[20:28:31] <cheesus> <3
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2969[20:30:09] * Iridos tries it
2970[20:30:26] <Iridos> must be close to a decade I last called that
2971[20:30:43] <cheesus> I got mine from here: replaced-url
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2973[20:30:50] <cheesus> In case you wanted to see the install in action
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2977[20:31:29] <Iridos> urgh. pixely
2978[20:31:35] <cheesus> So pixely
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2982[20:32:04] <cheesus> But apply one, it's not so bad
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2986[20:33:14] <Iridos> think I'll pass, thanks
2987[20:33:22] <cheesus> Heh
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2995[20:36:07] <bezaban> /msg judd v firejail
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2998[20:38:47] <roger21> eyo
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3001[20:39:06] <roger21> can i pipe a grep -l to xargs?
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3007[20:39:46] <roger21> i want to do a sed on multiple file (on multiple direcories)
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3009[20:40:03] <roger21> although mabe i don't need the grep then
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3012[20:40:33] <roger21> i just do a generic find
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3015[20:40:53] <monsune> roger you could use find's exec
3016[20:41:17] <Iridos> he hasn't actually asked a question
3017[20:41:33] <monsune> yeah i'm trying to figure out what he needed...
3018[20:41:45] <Iridos> well… not one that describes the problem
3019[20:41:51] <Iridos> roger21, you can pipe anything to anything
3020[20:42:09] <monsune> #bash is your friend
3021[20:42:10] <Iridos> note that I try to match the usefulness of the answer to the usefulness of the question ^ ^
3022[20:42:28] <roger21> yes i did on he second line
3023[20:42:30] <monsune> they would teach him a lesson in a jiffy :)
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3026[20:43:12] <monsune> Iridos ask in #bash and be very polite so you will get like 3 solutions at once
3027[20:43:42] <Iridos> I don't think you wanted to tell me that
3028[20:43:54] <greycat> replaced-url
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3030[20:44:38] <monsune> greycat is just about everywhere as usual :) when you need him
3031[20:45:13] <monsune> err yeah that was to roger21 of course, sorry Iridos, no sleep for 30 hours here
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3041[20:49:34] <jelly> monsune: best to avoid pretending to provide help whrn you're that sleep-deprived
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3052[20:56:08] <funkster> How would i detect on the system if my debian server is direct connected to another computer verses a switch? anything in ifconfig output?
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3057[20:58:01] <greycat> I'm not sure that's possible... isn't a switch just another computer, really?
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3067[21:01:15] <sypher> A switch simply forwards layer 2 frames based on destination MAC. You won't really know if a switch is there, that I'm aware of.
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3093[21:12:44] <epsilon> funkster: only if the switch is sending some ident information, such as CDP oder LLDP. Beside that, switches are usualy transparent as long they are not using L3 features such as Routing
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3099[21:16:47] <funkster> epsilon: damn...
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3115[21:20:23] <funkster> epsilon: if i connect computer to computer with no dhcp, IPs should default to 169.254 right?
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3120[21:21:10] <epsilon> beside that you can scan the net and check the ping time to the hosts. You may be not possible to ping the switch if it's dumb, but if a host is answering incredebly fast than any other host...
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3122[21:21:32] <greycat> funkster: it depends on what's in your /etc/network/interfaces and what n-m type stuff you have running
3123[21:21:52] <epsilon> funkster: if you have avahi (default) running, yes
3124[21:22:07] <greycat> avahi is not a "default" in any sense that I personally recognize
3125[21:22:25] <greycat> Maybe it's "default if you installed gnome" or something? Who knows.
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3131[21:23:01] <funkster> gotcha. i can setup avahi on debian RPI, just need to make sure my mac defaults to it, so i can connect.
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3133[21:23:10] <torexitdick312> love debian!
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3143[21:26:43] <funkster> the reason i don't need a crossover cable nowadays for connecting pc to pc is it auto detects and changes something right?
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3147[21:27:24] <teraflops> funkster: yeah, unless your nic is from 1987 lol
3148[21:27:31] <greycat> Yeah, "modern" net interfaces can handle a straight-through cable.
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3151[21:27:38] <epsilon> funkster: only if you have 100MBit only hardware
3152[21:28:03] <monsune> is it advisable to rm -fr /var/cache?
3153[21:28:07] <greycat> I'd been led to believe that it's the gigabit and higher interfaces that can handle a straight cable.
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3155[21:28:16] <greycat> monsune: ... no.
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3157[21:28:20] <teraflops> monsune: no!
3158[21:28:32] <monsune> oh hm.
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3160[21:29:00] <teraflops> monsune: what's your issue? run out of space maybe?
3161[21:29:20] <greycat> There are various things in /var/cache/ that are safe to remove, but not the *entire* hierarchy.
3162[21:29:36] <monsune> ok so not as easy as i thought
3163[21:29:43] <missmbob> you did it?
3164[21:29:43] <epsilon> .oO start with apt-get clean
3165[21:30:05] <monsune> missmbob i'm not doing anything without asking here :)
3166[21:30:24] <funkster> So can i query the nic device or system to figure out if it "auto detected" and switched the mode to work with pc to pc?
3167[21:30:45] <funkster> on debian that is.
3168[21:30:53] <epsilon> funkster: ethtool, mii-tool
3169[21:31:00] <monsune> apt-get clean worked great... 75% of the cache is gone.
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3172[21:31:17] <funkster> epsilon: sweet. any idea what i should be looking for?
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3174[21:31:42] <monsune> thank you epsilon, i completely forgot about apt-get clean... used that few years ago i think
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3176[21:31:46] <Ke> greycat: how is removing the whole cache dangerous?
3177[21:32:23] <monsune> teraflops the reason is that i'm compacting the system a bit
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3179[21:32:40] <greycat> Things that try to open a file in /var/cache/something/ will fail because the directories are missing.
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3181[21:33:21] <greycat> Unix does NOT auto-create directories to satisfy pathnames passed to open() and creat().
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3184[21:34:36] <Ke> some people have claimed that cache contains stuff that's mostly safe to remove
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3189[21:34:55] <Ke> /var/cache that is
3190[21:34:58] <greycat> The *files* may be safe to remove.
3191[21:35:02] <jelly> Ke: files are safe to remove. Directories. not.
3192[21:35:06] <greycat> Not the entire... directory... structure.
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3198[21:36:15] <jelly> Ke: it's not "people", that's in Debian Policy
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3221[21:45:12] <Pr0metheus> guys i still need help, went through documentation, tried removing staff, but my problem still persists. My desktop (Debian) connects through a DSL router to the Internet. The connection to Google takes 12 seconds. The connection Mobile Phone->Router->Google is almost instant.
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3225[21:45:39] <greycat> Is it still your DNS lookups that take the 12 seconds?
3226[21:45:54] <greycat> Have you figured out how your two machines differ in their performing of DNS lookups?
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3233[21:46:59] <Pr0metheus> well they both have the router as a dns server
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3235[21:48:05] <Pr0metheus> i also installed resolvconf but made no difference
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3247[21:52:08] <epsilon> Pr0metheus: 95% of the problems waiting time is issue of DNS or rDNS
3248[21:52:30] <epsilon> Pr0metheus: how's "ping 8.8.8.8"?
3249[21:52:48] <Pr0metheus> time=36ms
3250[21:52:49] <zuiss1> can anyone using plasma 4 check and see if they can use the Menu keyboard key in keyboard shortcuts? (the one by right alt). KDE doesn't recognize when i try to create a shortcut with it
3251[21:53:03] <epsilon> Pr0metheus: how's "ping google.com"?
3252[21:53:03] <greycat> epsilon: earlier he posted this: replaced-url
3253[21:53:08] <epsilon> ah
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3255[21:53:30] <Pr0metheus> yeah i beleive also that the problem is resolving the ip address
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3257[21:54:08] <missmbob> did you swap cables?
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3259[21:54:28] <Pr0metheus> missmbob you mean test another cable?
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3261[21:54:40] <missmbob> yes
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3263[21:54:46] <Pr0metheus> one sec
3264[21:54:52] <epsilon> Pr0metheus: I'd uninstall resolvconf and do "echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf" and try again
3265[21:55:11] <Pr0metheus> ok let me do epsilon's suggestion first
3266[21:55:14] <missmbob> i'm leaving. just thought i'd throw that out there since i didnt see anything about it. good luck
3267[21:55:23] <epsilon> (assumed you have nothing important else in resolv.conf
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3269[21:56:35] <Pr0metheus> ok now explain why this solved it
3270[21:56:39] <Pr0metheus> :)
3271[21:56:49] <greycat> because your router's nameserver is shit?
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3274[21:57:03] <Pr0metheus> what is 8.8.8.8?
3275[21:57:11] <greycat> google's public DNS server
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3277[21:57:58] <Pr0metheus> nice, now i am monitored by google:P . do android phones use google's nameserver by default?
3278[21:58:38] <greycat> You can install your own nameserver if you prefer.
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3280[21:58:59] <greycat> There are pluses and minuses to each way.
3281[21:59:22] <Pr0metheus> i can't udnerstand why the nameserver is "shit" for my desktop but works fine with my mobile phone
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3286[22:00:22] <Pr0metheus> ah, it has dns1 : 192.168.1.1 and dns2. 8.8.4.4
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3288[22:01:15] <Pr0metheus> it's grayed though so not sure what it uses, let me connect other debian machine
3289[22:01:24] <epsilon> Pr0metheus: it's actaully the DHCP-server's job to give you the correct DNS server. so in your case your home-router/phone(?)
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3291[22:01:53] <Pr0metheus> phone connects to the router as the desktop does, both have the same dhcp server
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3294[22:03:37] <epsilon> check the router if it has the correct DNS IP of your provider. Sounds like it doesn't
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3296[22:04:35] <Pr0metheus> ok i noticed something, we changed with echo the dns server but in the network manager gui (gnome) it still shows the router's DNS. Is there a case that there is a conflict?
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3301[22:06:05] <epsilon> kind of, resolv.conf will be overwritten on reboot. But it won't be a problem if the router has the correct DNS IP
3302[22:06:53] <epsilon> (or even overwritten on next DHCP request)
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3307[22:09:41] <Pr0metheus> ok thanks all, i'll reboot
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