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• 30[00:08:01] <dimitry7> guys
• 31[00:08:05] <dimitry7> im doing some tests here
• 32[00:08:14] <dimitry7> this is for an exam
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• 34[00:09:09] <s5fs> lol
• 35[00:09:15] <dimitry7> what file inside /etc is NOT /etc/network/interfaces and without which the network would send a message of not found interfaces
• 36[00:09:28] <dimitry7> or something like that
• 37[00:09:44] <petemc> not found interfaces is not a common message
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• 40[00:10:36] <petemc> i had an interview a while back where someone insisted you needed to run ifconfig plumb before an interface would work on linux
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• 42[00:10:53] <dimitry7> jeje
• 43[00:10:55] <dimitry7> see the message
• 44[00:10:57] <s5fs> thats news to me
• 45[00:10:59] <dimitry7> holdon
• 46[00:11:07] <p0g0> dimitry7: hosts file?
• 47[00:11:12] <dimitry7> nope
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• 51[00:12:24] <dimitry7> something like
• 52[00:12:24] <dimitry7> CAP_NET_ADMIN and alias netdev instead
• 53[00:12:25] <dimitry7> or some error of the kernel module
• 54[00:12:26] <dimitry7> I want a big error
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• 57[00:13:15] <s5fs> lol
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• 97[00:24:24] <dimitry7> evil_shibe, come say it here
• 98[00:25:07] <dimitry7> p0g0, sorry I was kicked for typing two lines in a row, people is very peaky here
• 99[00:25:12] <evil_shibe> ok, wait
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• 101[00:25:51] <p0g0> dimitry7: well, I don't think it is the host file.
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• 105[00:27:00] <evil_shibe> replaced-url
• 106[00:27:03] <dimitry7> p0g0, thanks man, actually all files inside /etc/udev/rules.d/
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• 110[00:28:04] <dimitry7> would throug all sort of errors
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• 112[00:28:18] <bluefive> Hey guys.
• 113[00:28:21] <bluefive> When would I notice 3 MB of processor cache vs 2 MB?
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• 116[00:29:15] <dimitry7> evil_shibe, very interesting your case :). Accussing people of being something without proving it :)
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• 125[00:31:43] <thurstylark> I just compiled a custom kernel using make-kpkg, and when doing dpkg -i on the headers package, dkms complains that there aren't kernel headers for that version. How can I get around it?
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• 127[00:31:59] <markybob_> !make-kpkg
• 128[00:31:59] <dpkg> make-kpkg is no longer the recommended method for building kernel packages. See <kernel handbook> for current instructions. It can be used to make a debian package for a custom kernel. See man make-kpkg, <kp mantra>. NOTE it does not automatically create header packages, needed for module-assistant and dkms.
• 129[00:32:05] <markybob_> thurstylark: yeah, don't do that
• 130[00:32:21] <dimitry7> evil_shibe,
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• 133[00:32:38] <evil_shibe> dimitry7: what you want, idiot?
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• 136[00:33:56] <thurstylark> markybob_: alrighty. How can I get my hands on the newest kernel from debian, then?
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• 138[00:34:21] <markybob_> thurstylark: backports has 4.3 if that's good enough for you
• 139[00:34:31] <dimitry7> Are bad words allowed here?
• 140[00:34:42] <thurstylark> markybob_: Nope. doesn't support the hardware I need.
• 141[00:34:48] <markybob_> thurstylark: or the handbook i had the bot tell you about tells you how to create headers and images from source
• 142[00:34:55] <markybob_> thurstylark: so read the handbook
• 143[00:35:03] <dimitry7> because evil_shibe isn't educated.
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• 150[00:36:17] <sypher> Play nice, children.
• 151[00:36:25] <dimitry7> evil_shibe, go to #ubuntu.
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• 156[00:37:28] <thurstylark> markybob_: I have tried those instructions, but I wasn't able to make a custom 4.3 kernel work for me. How do I get the kernel-source package for 4.4 or newer?
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• 158[00:37:46] <evil_shibe> dimitry7: #ubuntu is right channel and distro for you, noob
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• 161[00:38:19] <markybob_> thurstylark: there isn't one. i made a 4.4 fine with those instructions.
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• 163[00:40:12] <sypher> dimitry7, evil_shibe: I don't think either of you are acting in a particularly mature manner. Please take your spat to a private forum.
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• 166[00:41:34] <thurstylark> markybob_: Ahh. ok. I misinterpreted an earlier failure when running make deb-pkg, and assumed that it wouldn't work for some reason. It's building now. Thanks for the help
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• 168[00:42:22] <dimitry7> sypher, thanks sypher. He's spammer and also doesn't know the great project #ubuntu is.
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• 170[00:43:14] <sypher> dimitry7: You're acting no better.
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• 173[00:44:22] <dimitry7> sypher, I'm sorry. Appologies.
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• 177[00:45:22] <evil_shibe> sypher: don't talk what i must do
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• 179[00:45:32] <evil_shibe> sypher: i rule here
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• 182[00:46:46] <ryan57> anyone know where I might find a soldering iron / hot air station capable of temperatures over 600°C?
• 183[00:47:07] <markybob_> ryan57: offtopic
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• 185[00:47:20] <ryan57> fair enough
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• 188[00:48:42] <dimitry7> guys, where can i see the logs of ifup ifdown, there's nothing in messages or syslog
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• 205[00:54:39] <buu> dimitry7: sacrifice two chickens to journalctl
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• 208[00:55:30] <dimitry7> buu, haha this is squeeze
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• 211[00:56:45] <dimitry7> but I'll sacrifice two chickens to you if you help me :D
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• 214[00:57:12] <buu> What is it doing that it shouldn't?
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• 217[00:57:44] <dimitry7> buu, see
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• 219[00:57:51] <dimitry7> today i had an energy failure
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• 221[00:58:10] <dimitry7> and... one interface is OK, but the other two I can't bring them up
• 222[00:58:13] <sypher> evil_shibe: No. You don't. But have fun.
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• 224[00:59:33] <dimitry7> ifup or ifdown throw no error, but mii-tool desn't show them OK
• 225[00:59:33] <dimitry7> and they are connected
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• 229[01:00:21] <evil_shibe> don't sacrifice chickens idiots! love animals
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• 232[01:01:16] <simonlnu> just eat it
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• 234[01:02:05] <dimitry7> stop spam please!
• 235[01:02:32] <dimitry7> this guy has been spamming and doesn't get kicked? he's lucky!
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• 237[01:02:56] <simonlnu> um, what spam?
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• 239[01:03:14] <jmcnaught> dimitry7: your IRC client probably has a /ignore feature
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• 241[01:03:36] <dimitry7> jmcnaught, do you defend spammers? is he your boyfriend?
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• 244[01:04:04] * simonlnu resists making a stupid comment
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• 250[01:05:42] <evil_shibe> jmcnaught: maybe he use telnet to connect irc.freenode.net:6667 and don't have /ingnore feature
• 251[01:05:46] <evil_shibe> */ignore
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• 255[01:06:05] <jmcnaught> dimitry7: you can ignore spammers instead of complaining about them and spamming yourself.
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• 257[01:06:45] <evil_shibe> jmcnaught: he named you a gay. why you give him advices?
• 258[01:06:46] <jmcnaught> evil_shibe: please keep discussion on topic. the topic here is Debian technical support.
• 259[01:07:06] * simonlnu adds a few ignores himself
• 260[01:07:11] <dimitry7> jmcnaught, and you can save your comments and neither contribute to spam or defend spammers because they pay your bills.
• 261[01:07:59] <simonlnu> dimitry7: please, shut up.
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• 264[01:08:19] <dimitry7> simonlnu, just me?
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• 269[01:08:45] <evil_shibe> don't worrry guys
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• 271[01:08:55] <evil_shibe> dimitry7 is a troll
• 272[01:08:58] <evil_shibe> replaced-url
• 273[01:09:00] <evil_shibe> here is a proof
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• 277[01:09:24] <dimitry7> I troll you talked to first
• 278[01:10:03] <evil_shibe> the best option for you is change distro to ubuntu and go to #ubuntu-trolls
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• 298[01:18:21] <TheWarden> Hello
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• 301[01:19:15] <TheWarden> I have a systemd user unit and timer file. I've started and enabled the timer. It works great, however when I logout or reboot the system the timer is not started up again at login.
• 302[01:19:18] <TheWarden> How can I fix this?
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• 304[01:19:48] <ZitZ> isn't it systemctl enable unitname
• 305[01:19:53] <TheWarden> I'm using Debian Jessie if that matters.
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• 307[01:20:05] <evil_shibe> TheWarden: make it in rc.local so
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• 310[01:20:13] <TheWarden> ZitZ: Only if you don't use a timer file.
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• 312[01:20:25] <TheWarden> evil_shibe: rc.local, really ?
• 313[01:20:31] <s5fs> TheWarden: no that is a troll
• 314[01:20:39] <evil_shibe> it's good after reboot, but not relogin
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• 317[01:20:50] <evil_shibe> s5fs: wat?
• 318[01:20:57] <evil_shibe> dude, stop lie
• 319[01:21:03] <TheWarden> s5fs: who is?
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• 321[01:21:09] <ZitZ> i still use rc.local is certain situations, it's so quick and easy
• 322[01:21:24] <evil_shibe> i too
• 323[01:21:26] <TheWarden> well my understanding though that shouldn't be necessary
• 324[01:21:40] <evil_shibe> s5fs: don't write to others i'm troll or sth like that dude
• 325[01:21:52] <evil_shibe> (if you don't want be ddosed or sth)
• 326[01:21:58] <evil_shibe> :)
• 327[01:22:04] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: do you have libpam-systemd installed?
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• 330[01:23:02] <buu> dpkg: ops evil_shibe
• 331[01:23:02] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: buu complains about: evil_shibe
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• 334[01:23:36] <evil_shibe> buu: it's joke :)
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• 337[01:24:04] <thurstylark> TheWarden: you enable the timer instead of the service it's supposed to kick off.
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• 339[01:24:21] <TheWarden> jmcnaught: yes I do
• 340[01:24:42] <TheWarden> thurstylark: I do enable the timer.
• 341[01:24:52] <evil_shibe> do 'service timer restart'
• 342[01:25:06] <evil_shibe> in your .bashrc etc
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• 344[01:25:47] <TheWarden> evil_shibe: that's the way way, its a wrapper to use systemd. mm if I have to I'll maybe try that but from things I've read that is not necessary yet haven't found how to do it correctly. something to do with libpam systemd at login.
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• 347[01:27:03] <s5fs> TheWarden: modifying your bashrc won't affect the startup
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• 349[01:27:09] <TheWarden> evil_shibe: ops the old way from my understanding.
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• 351[01:27:16] <TheWarden> s5fs: I didn't think so.
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• 353[01:27:26] <evil_shibe> i'm not in systemd
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• 355[01:27:50] <ZitZ> basic networking question, i'm using deluge through a private vpn i do not control, the preferences say i am not connectable. There's nothing I can do as the ports to forward would be on the VPN server?
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• 357[01:27:54] <TheWarden> evil_shibe: well that is the problem them. systemd is the replacement to init.d and Debian is using systemd now. It has a wrapper to still do the old way for now.
• 358[01:28:16] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: where are you user unit files?
• 359[01:28:45] <evil_shibe> TheWarden: you always can ompile your own distro from LFS :)
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• 361[01:28:50] <evil_shibe> with init.d :)
• 362[01:29:04] <TheWarden> jmcnaught: ~/.config/systemd/user/
• 363[01:29:26] <TheWarden> evil_shibe: what, that's ridiculous.
• 364[01:29:42] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: and "systemctl --user list-unit-files" lists them?
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• 366[01:30:25] <s5fs> TheWarden: so you are doing this (replaced-url
• 367[01:30:42] <s5fs> i can spin up a vm and test if you wish. sounds like it should 'just work'.
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• 371[01:31:44] <TheWarden> jmcnaught: yes the timer is present, however I started it again manually. should I logout and check things again without it started manually?
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• 374[01:32:44] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: i guess so. i haven't actually used user units yet myself
• 375[01:32:47] <TheWarden> s5fs: I'm enabling and starting the timer however this is a user unit and timer therefore its located in ~/.config/systemd/user/
• 376[01:33:05] <TheWarden> jmcnaught: oh okay. well I'll quickly logout and back in then. brb.
• 377[01:33:38] <s5fs> TheWarden: usually you put unit files in /etc/systemd/system
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• 379[01:33:43] <s5fs> is this just for your account?
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• 388[01:34:30] <TheWarden> s5fs: yeas for system related unti/timer files. However in a user case that is not where they are stored. I'm only using this for my user account and to only be ran when I'm logged in.
• 389[01:34:31] <TheWarden> brb
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• 391[01:34:35] <s5fs> TheWarden: I see you're in #systemd as well so i'm going to hang back.
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• 395[01:35:42] <axc1298> is "invoke-rc.d ssh restart" the correct way to restart the ssh server after changing sshd_config?
• 396[01:35:43] <TiCPU> I have read about making backports and it is said in the contribute page that if I want to submit a backport as a non-Debian developper, I need to be able to maintain and update it when updates are submitted to testing or security. I'm not willing to do that since I have nothing to track those updates set-up. But I would really like to be able to use cache on lvm2 on Jessie, is anyone able to submit the backport, it requires only the removal of
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• 398[01:35:43] <TiCPU> libcorosync.
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• 402[01:36:08] <KINgGh0sT> I need help with PulseAudio not detecting anything but my HDMI and SPDIF cards but not my analog. My analog card shows up in lspci
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• 409[01:36:58] <Brigo> KINgGh0sT, and in /proc/asound/cards?
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• 412[01:37:39] <TheWarden> okay so yes my timer file is present when I run systemctl --user list-unit-files and it states its enabled.
• 413[01:37:41] <TheWarden> however when I do systemctl --user list-unit-files there is no timers.
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• 416[01:38:06] <KINgGh0sT> Brigo, I can't tell if it is or not. There is just two Generic references
• 417[01:38:35] <KINgGh0sT> Brigo, ie. HD-Audio Generic at 0xfe020000 irq 16
• 418[01:39:10] <Brigo> paste it in paste.debian.net so i can check it.
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• 420[01:40:11] <KINgGh0sT> Brigo, , replaced-url
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• 425[01:41:52] <Brigo> KINgGh0sT, is there anything about analog in /proc/asound/pcm ?
• 426[01:42:18] <Brigo> KINgGh0sT, i guess the problem is the sound card being not supported by the kernel.
• 427[01:42:22] <KINgGh0sT> Brigo, yes 01-00: ALC889 Analog : ALC889 Analog : playback 1 : capture 1
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• 430[01:42:45] <KINgGh0sT> Brigo, must of just happened. It was working fine a little while ago
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• 433[01:43:50] <KINgGh0sT> Brigo, replaced-url
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• 435[01:46:07] <Brigo> KINgGh0sT, you can try run aplay -l. I will show you the detected cards and then try to select one of them and try to reproduce some sound.
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• 437[01:46:29] <Brigo> KINgGh0sT, i don't know really what's happen with your system.
• 438[01:47:04] <Brigo> KINgGh0sT, anyway i have to go, time to sleep, bye and good luck :)
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• 440[01:47:17] <KINgGh0sT> Brigo, one sec please
• 441[01:47:18] <buu> So, if I run 'make' which executes a Makefile which simple produces Foo from Bar; then I run `touch Bar` and run `make` shouldn't it re-run the makefile and not tell me it's up to date?
• 442[01:47:30] <KINgGh0sT> Brigo, it shows the card there. how do i select it and try it ?
• 443[01:47:33] <buu> In otherwords, shouldn't touch update the a/ctime of Bar and cause make to reprocess?
• 444[01:47:53] <Brigo> KINgGh0sT, aplay -D, check man page
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• 455[01:53:46] <KINgGh0sT> Can anyone else by chance help with getting analog audio to work instead of HDMI/Spdif?
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• 484[02:10:00] <tasaif> Hi, I have never used a printer with any flavor of linux. I'm currently using Debian 8. I plugged the printer in and it autoinstalled the drivers I think. Then I tried printing, and by the look of it everything is fine except that the printer isn't actually printing. Is there a debug log for printing that I'm not aware of or can someone guide me through the process please?
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• 486[02:10:47] <tasaif> Under "Print Settings" are the two printers that I plugged in
• 487[02:11:21] <somiaj> tasaif: is there a 'print test page' or dbug option. I perosnally use cups and control my printers over the cups web interface (on localhost)
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• 495[02:12:46] <tasaif> somiaj, yes I clicked that. The current print state is "Idle - Rendering completed" then after clicking "Print Test Page" it changes to "Processing..." then it goes back to "Rendering Completed"
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• 497[02:13:45] <somiaj> tasaif: and this is in gnome?
• 498[02:13:55] <tasaif> whatever comes by default, I think it is gnome
• 499[02:14:05] <tasaif> and I think the print settings are just a frontend for the web interface
• 500[02:14:19] <somiaj> I'm unsure how the gnome printer config tool works. Sometimes you have to install additional printer .ppd files.
• 501[02:14:26] <somiaj> yea I control cups via localhost:631
• 502[02:14:33] <somiaj> also make sure your user is in the lpadmin group
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• 504[02:15:31] <jegc> tasaif: did you test configure the printer as default printer?
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• 507[02:16:01] <tasaif> somiaj, through the web interface I checked the access log and I see "localhost - - [10/Mar/2016:17:12:19 -0800] "POST /printers/Canon_MF8200C_Series HTTP/1.1" 200 421 Print-Job successful-ok"
• 508[02:16:13] <tasaif> jegc, where do I do that?
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• 512[02:16:43] <tasaif> jegc, never mind I did it. testing now.
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• 516[02:18:19] <tasaif> jegc, same thing
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• 519[02:18:59] <tasaif> interesting... even if the printer is unplugged it says the same thing in the access log
• 520[02:19:07] <tasaif> and the error log is blank
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• 524[02:20:12] <somiaj> tasaif: sounds like the machine isnt' actually talking to the printer, it only think it is. So it is sending info and not getting anything back and thinking it is okay. I'd double check the printer configuration
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• 531[02:23:11] <jegc> tasaif: can you select other driver for the printer? if it's possible. Try add again manually the printer with other driver
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• 533[02:25:16] <tasaif> I'm trying to add it manually right now but it froze the frontend
• 534[02:25:24] <tasaif> I'm going to try it through the webui now
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• 537[02:26:02] <markybob_> tasaif: you're asking in the wrong place per /topic you need to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 539[02:26:16] <tasaif> ok thanks
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• 555[02:31:14] <confusius> in debian install screen it says install debian desktop environment AND gnome, are they seperate?
• 556[02:31:33] <tasaif> markybob_, are you sure I was off topic?
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• 560[02:31:46] <markybob_> confusius: the installer installs gnome when you select desktop
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• 563[02:31:51] <tasaif> somiaj, I don't know what model to select for "Canon MF8200C Series"
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• 565[02:32:11] <markybob_> tasaif: no. i may have misunderstood. english isn't my native tongue
• 566[02:32:14] <confusius> marky, oh thanks, because i chose both because wasnt sure
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• 575[02:37:04] <confusius> madky, chhosing both wont do any harm right?
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• 577[02:37:15] <markybob_> confusius: no you're fine
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• 579[02:37:37] <confusius> thanks
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• 593[02:43:22] <KINgGh0sT> How can I tell what kernel will support my audio card?
• 594[02:43:28] <KINgGh0sT> I really need sound lol
• 595[02:43:48] <tasaif> that's a #linux question isn't it?
• 596[02:44:33] <KINgGh0sT> kind of? I'm unsure considering I was using Debian this whole time and it just randomly stopped working
• 597[02:45:05] <markybob_> KINgGh0sT: so it was working before?
• 598[02:45:11] <KINgGh0sT> yes
• 599[02:45:15] <markybob_> KINgGh0sT: try running pavucontrol
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• 601[02:45:36] <markybob_> KINgGh0sT: and this is the same user or a new one?
• 602[02:45:42] <KINgGh0sT> same user
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• 604[02:47:27] <KINgGh0sT> markybob_, pavucontrol only shows HDMI and Spdif
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• 606[02:47:38] <KINgGh0sT> It's really confusing considering those are the same card
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• 619[02:55:29] <lichenx1> Could someone tell me what my options are if I want to run debian stable but also want xfce 4.12?
• 620[02:55:57] <markybob_> lichenx1: none
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• 623[02:56:19] <somiaj> lichenx1: the options would require you build your own xfce packages which isn't an easy task.
• 624[02:56:29] <somiaj> that is if you don't like the none option.
• 625[02:56:42] <somiaj> [also no guarntee they can build in stable]
• 626[02:57:12] <lichenx1> I had a bad feeling that was the case
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• 700[03:30:37] <bluefive> How DO I tell if I have encryption enabled for my home folder?
• 701[03:30:41] <cjen2837> can anyone help my? i can't copy a ssh public key to the server: /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: Connection closed by 192.168.X.X
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• 707[03:32:47] <jmcnaught> cjen2837: do you get an error when you try to ssh to the server? can you check for errors in /var/log/auth.log on the server?
• 708[03:34:09] <cjen2837> jmcnaught, yes i do. one of them says "debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory"
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• 713[03:34:37] <cjen2837> right before that it says debug1: identity file /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa type 1
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• 715[03:36:02] <jmcnaught> cjen2837: it says that on the client or server side?
• 716[03:36:25] <cjen2837> auth.log has errors. "error: could not load host key. and "fatal: no supported key exchange algorithms [preauth]
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• 718[03:36:33] <cjen2837> jmcnaught, it says that on client side
• 719[03:36:38] <cjen2837> but that auth.log was from server side
• 720[03:36:44] <jmcnaught> cjen2837: also what is the command you use? for me i just do "ssh-copy-id [user@]server
• 721[03:37:21] <jmcnaught> cjen2837: and this works for me on jessie client even though my key is not named id_rsa
• 722[03:37:22] <cjen2837> sudo ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@server -p port_number
• 723[03:37:35] <jmcnaught> cjen2837: try without the -i?
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• 726[03:38:34] <cjen2837> without -i gave a too many arguments error
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• 728[03:38:58] <cjen2837> is there any way to completely erase openssh and all config and start over in case i did something wrong. would it just be apt-get purge openssh-server?
• 729[03:39:04] <jmcnaught> cjen2837: sorry i meant without -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
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• 731[03:39:14] <cjen2837> my server does not have a ~/.ssh dir by the way
• 732[03:39:16] <cjen2837> not sure if that's normal
• 733[03:39:56] <cjen2837> when i tried that it said /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No identities found
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• 742[03:43:47] <jmcnaught> cjen2837: for starting over with openssh, it's probably not necessary especially if you didn't really change anything on the server.
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• 744[03:44:06] <jmcnaught> cjen2837: does ssh-copy-id prompt for your password?
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• 747[03:44:18] <cjen2837> no
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• 750[03:44:48] <cjen2837> i purged openssh-server lol
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• 752[03:45:20] <cjen2837> when i tried to reinstall i'm getting errors were encountered while processing: openssh-server E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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• 754[03:46:12] <cjen2837> i think it's because i removed /etc/ssh
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• 756[03:46:25] <cjen2837> it worked now once i created it again
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• 760[03:48:52] <cjen2837> hey it worked this time around
• 761[03:48:54] <cjen2837> jmcnaught, thanks
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• 765[03:50:10] <jmcnaught> cjen2837: cool. so it wasn't working earlier because of custom stuff in /etc/ssh? anyways glad you figured it out
• 766[03:50:41] <cjen2837> must be
• 767[03:50:45] <cjen2837> thanks
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• 780[03:55:33] <Bennux> Hi, what are the VPS spects?
• 781[03:56:11] <evil_shibe> 1gb ram 1ghz processor
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• 794[04:00:58] <Bennux> Congrats! :)
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• 806[04:06:31] <martman> anyone know how to correctly/safety have the mirror tool ftpsync only do a specific release(the latest one)?
• 807[04:06:36] <martman> i really want just a partial mirror
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• 984[05:15:54] <sunnymilk> can someone tell me the sequence of commands to install both 32 and 64 bit wine on a fresh debian system
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• 986[05:16:05] <sunnymilk> i have tried this like three times
• 987[05:16:53] <cygnusx1> 1sec
• 988[05:17:12] <cygnusx1> usually just apt-get install wine
• 989[05:17:23] <unborn> apt-get install wine?
• 990[05:17:31] <cygnusx1> yep
• 991[05:17:38] <sunnymilk> that doesnt install 32 and 64 bit though
• 992[05:17:39] <cygnusx1> ive done it twice in the past week
• 993[05:17:41] <unborn> sunnymilk: there you go.. cygnusx1 just said
• 994[05:17:42] <sunnymilk> just 64 bit
• 995[05:17:54] <cygnusx1> well it did for me
• 996[05:17:54] <sunnymilk> which will only run 64 bit exe programs
• 997[05:17:56] <sunnymilk> hm
• 998[05:18:03] <sunnymilk> i wonder why it doesnt for me...
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• 1000[05:18:39] <cygnusx1> dpkg --add-architecture i386
• 1001[05:18:40] * dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new s390 cathedral
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• 1003[05:18:54] <cygnusx1> then apt-get install wine:i386
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• 1005[05:19:16] <unborn> sunnymilk: on 64 bit system you should have 64 bit wine.. I guess.. and that wine thing should let you run 32 bit programs inside
• 1006[05:19:25] <cygnusx1> ^
• 1007[05:19:29] <cygnusx1> works fine for me
• 1008[05:19:36] <cygnusx1> i use it to play games
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• 1010[05:20:00] <unborn> perhaps I am wrong.. I try wine 3 times in 2007 and did not see point of it.
• 1011[05:20:08] <sunnymilk> lol
• 1012[05:20:16] <cygnusx1> well the point is to run exe's in linux
• 1013[05:20:30] <unborn> sunnymilk: sure.. go virtual
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• 1015[05:20:41] <unborn> no problems and easy peasy
• 1016[05:20:56] <cygnusx1> wine is virtual
• 1017[05:21:01] <sunnymilk> its not
• 1018[05:21:12] <cygnusx1> it uses a virtual c:\
• 1019[05:21:12] <sunnymilk> at least the definition of virtual i am thinking of, ie virtualization
• 1020[05:21:13] <unborn> cygnusx1: virtual what? heh
• 1021[05:21:25] <cygnusx1> well no
• 1022[05:21:27] <sunnymilk> its a compatibility layer for the windows ABI
• 1023[05:22:00] <sunnymilk> i could run a VM i guess... but its a bit heavy, i just want to run one program @_@
• 1024[05:22:02] <cygnusx1> but its too much of a pain to setup a virtual disk to run windows
• 1025[05:22:09] <cygnusx1> wine is easy
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• 1027[05:22:25] <unborn> sunnymilk: install virtualbox or some other vm mashine and install full windows inside.. you can then start headless virtualmachine with your box and use vnc viewer to connect to it..
• 1028[05:22:40] <unborn> or just use virtual machine it self
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• 1030[05:23:34] <cygnusx1> heres a guide for installing 32bit support (i386) on wine for debian replaced-url
• 1031[05:23:36] <unborn> wine is like windows 3.1 meh
• 1032[05:23:47] <cygnusx1> wine can go up to windows 8.1
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• 1034[05:24:51] <sunnymilk> unborn the thing it gets me is just the windows program i like, running as a normal window in my window manager
• 1035[05:25:08] <sunnymilk> when it works nicely like that it makes me happy
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• 1040[05:26:35] <cygnusx1> wine works great for me, and it even uses my proprietary nvidia gpu drivers by default
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• 1044[05:27:32] <cygnusx1> ive played icewind dale 1 and 2 and neverwinter nights on wine and they all played without any problems
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• 1046[05:28:02] <unborn> sunnymilk: sure I understand.. good luck with wine. I stick with virtual machine as normal window in my DE .. my problem with wine was - update - program not working.. - update of the program = detto and crashes..
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• 1048[05:28:48] <sunnymilk> ahhh yeah
• 1049[05:28:49] <sunnymilk> thanks :)
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• 1065[05:40:56] <aspendos> I had just installed Debian and then I uninstalled Evolution and Empathy and added a ~/.fonts.conf then logged off, now it won't boot into Xorg at all a
• 1066[05:41:26] <aspendos> any help?
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• 1070[05:44:40] <cygnusx1> aspendos: liveboot from a usb or dvd and then try to recover the drive?
• 1071[05:45:13] <aspendos> cygnus, what do you think happened? gdm doesn't load itself, I get a textmode login
• 1072[05:45:33] <cygnusx1> aspendos: what DE are you using?
• 1073[05:45:37] <aspendos> GNOME
• 1074[05:45:50] <cygnusx1> you may need to update grub
• 1075[05:45:59] <cygnusx1> can you boot recovery mode?
• 1076[05:46:27] <aspendos> I am already logged in to my system
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• 1079[05:47:11] <cygnusx1> then as root run: update-grub
• 1080[05:47:24] <aspendos> sorry but what does grub have to do with gdm?
• 1081[05:47:49] <aspendos> let me try
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• 1084[05:48:09] <cygnusx1> grub has to do with the bootloader. and you may have it configured diffrently that the bootloader doesnt interpret correctly
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• 1088[05:49:09] <aspendos> thanks for the help cygnus, that was genius
• 1089[05:49:18] <aspendos> anyone here who actually knows debian?
• 1090[05:49:20] <cygnusx1> aspendos i have no idea what you did and im just trying to work this out logically
• 1091[05:49:46] <cygnusx1> i dont use gnome
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• 1093[05:49:58] <aspendos> cygnus, see the system works as normal accept that gdm doesn't load itself, so since it is a service it must have been disabled or something and all I did was to purge evolution and empathy
• 1094[05:50:06] <cygnusx1> ah
• 1095[05:50:07] <aspendos> gnome has nothing to do with it
• 1096[05:50:19] <aspendos> it could have been xdm
• 1097[05:50:43] <aspendos> what does grub have to do with it?
• 1098[05:50:45] <cygnusx1> well gdm is the gnome display manager so i hardly see how it has nothing to do with gnome...
• 1099[05:50:49] <mms_> wheezy to jessie dist-upgrade and its grub entry selection boot stuck on blank screen. here are boot logs replaced-url
• 1100[05:51:24] <mms_> earlier it was stuck at portmapper so disabled it and now not sure what is causing blank screen
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• 1102[05:53:13] <cygnusx1> anyway aspendos good luck with that hope someone shows up who can help you
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• 1104[05:54:00] <cygnusx1> but i still think updating grub may fix it
• 1105[05:54:31] <Rusty1_> mms_: df -h reports?
• 1106[05:55:17] <aspendos> cygnus, ok i somehow uninstalled gdm3 now i am getting it back, sorry you just tried to help :)
• 1107[05:55:29] <aspendos> it should work now take care
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• 1113[06:00:05] <mms_> Rusty1_: replaced-url
• 1114[06:00:28] <mms_> I am on HP Mini NR1030 netbook
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• 1117[06:00:47] <mms_> I gues it 1030nr
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• 1119[06:01:21] * icemodding hi ppl! :D
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• 1126[06:04:44] <Rusty1_> mms_: can you power down , unplug any usb phones/drives and reboot , see what happens
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• 1130[06:06:28] <mms_> Rusty1_: I do in netbook the sdcard
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• 1132[06:06:38] <mms_> Rusty1_: I mean have should I remove it and try ?
• 1133[06:06:56] <mms_> ok let me see
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• 1144[06:14:00] <mms_> Rusty1_: replaced-url
• 1145[06:14:22] <mms_> I shutdown, unplugged and power up (unplugged)
• 1146[06:14:49] <jcrain> mms_: I'm going to guess that it has to do with the kernel oops in the i915 video driver
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• 1151[06:16:20] <mms_> jcrain: could be but setterm failure could it be ? there is some link that states that drm failure is ignorable
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• 1153[06:17:38] <mms_> jcrain: pre dist-upgrade kernel boots fine and it also uses same driver. should I paste the lshw ?
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• 1155[06:18:17] <mms_> how to fix the $TERM not defined
• 1156[06:18:47] <mms_> is it because screen in blank and so console-screen.sh has this issue ?
• 1157[06:19:10] <mms_> if X would have started fine then this error would not come
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• 1159[06:19:43] <mms_> Rusty1_: ??
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• 1161[06:20:08] <jmcnaught> mms_: i guess it depends on what that console-screen.sh script is doing. i don't think that file is part of Debian, so maybe you added it at some point? Can you move that file elsewhere and try booting without it?
• 1162[06:20:50] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok let me try but I do not remember doing any thing for it
• 1163[06:21:14] <mms_> or if you know some valid TERM value we can set it ?
• 1164[06:21:18] <jmcnaught> mms_: hey by the way. last time you were working on this netbook we had talked about how the b43 module is successfully loading firmware files, but the firmware-b43-installer package was not installed, meaning they could be outdated firmwares
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• 1166[06:21:38] <mms_> jmcnaught: post that I reinstalled that package
• 1167[06:22:07] <jmcnaught> mms_: okay, after doing that did your wifi lights behave any differently?
• 1168[06:22:10] <mms_> the logs are here now replaced-url
• 1169[06:22:33] <mms_> I power down, unplugged power, removed sdcard, power up
• 1170[06:22:53] <mms_> let me remove that file from init.d
• 1171[06:22:55] <mms_> and try to reboot
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• 1174[06:23:01] <simonlnu> console-screen.sh is part of debian
• 1175[06:23:34] <simonlnu> oops, setup not screen. -screen used to be
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• 1178[06:24:18] <jmcnaught> i couldn't find console-screen.sh with apt-file, but i guess it could be generated by some package's postinst script. my bet is that it's custom
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• 1181[06:25:07] <simonlnu> i remeber seeing that in earlier versions. i think it got removed.
• 1182[06:25:13] <simonlnu> remember*
• 1183[06:25:49] <simonlnu> like squeeze or later
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• 1186[06:26:34] <simonlnu> doesn't matter now ;)
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• 1192[06:29:03] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 1195[06:31:20] <jcrain> replaced-url
• 1196[06:31:25] <jmcnaught> mms_: i just checked and i get that error too, i don't think it's related
• 1197[06:31:31] <jcrain> does that sound like your problem?
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• 1200[06:32:26] <JasmineT> What .net has to do with the appearance of my pc?
• 1201[06:32:31] <JasmineT> Anyone knows?
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• 1205[06:32:50] <jmcnaught> mms_: you could try a newer kernel from backports
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• 1212[06:34:26] <jmcnaught> JasmineT: I'm not sure what you mean. Are you on a Debian computer?
• 1213[06:34:45] <simonlnu> i doubt it ;)
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• 1216[06:35:12] <dax> They're going around random non-##windows support channels asking for Windows help
• 1217[06:35:25] <dax> it's one of those cases where i'm not sure if troll or just really really really dumb
• 1218[06:35:34] <well_laid_lawn> kill 'em with fire
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• 1222[06:37:13] <jmcnaught> mms_: i didn't read the whole bug repot that jcrain found, but it looks like the fix that worked for people on that bug was included in Linux 4.1something, so using a newer kernel for jessie-backports is worth a try (and pretty easy)
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• 1228[06:38:17] <mms_> jmcnaught: more specific instructions please ..do I change some thing in source.list ?
• 1229[06:39:36] <mms_> jcrain: how to apply fix for that bug ?
• 1230[06:40:23] <mms_> last post in that bug has link
• 1231[06:40:24] <jcrain> Either add i915.nomodeset=0 to the kernel boot parameters, though it will probably have some negative effect on video resolution or acceleration or something
• 1232[06:40:34] <jcrain> Or upgrade the kernel to a fixed version
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• 1235[06:41:38] <jmcnaught> mms_: it's worth trying jcrain's suggestion with i915.nomodeset=0 before trying a new kernel
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• 1237[06:41:44] <cygnusx1> you edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add the line deb replaced-url
• 1238[06:42:05] <cygnusx1> i used nano
• 1239[06:42:38] <jmcnaught> mms_: the instructions to add backports are here: replaced-url
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• 1241[06:43:02] <jmcnaught> it would be jessie-backports not jessie
• 1242[06:43:02] <mms_> jmcnaught: as per replaced-url
• 1243[06:43:10] <jmcnaught> mms_: no don't do that
• 1244[06:43:15] <mms_> ok
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• 1246[06:43:22] <jmcnaught> mms_: you wants to always use debian packages from APT for kernels
• 1247[06:43:25] <mms_> first let me try modeset
• 1248[06:44:15] <jcrain> The options might be called i915.modeset=0 instead, I'm not sure
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• 1268[06:50:13] <mms_> jcrain: replaced-url
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• 1272[06:50:32] <mms_> jmcnaught: I on Linux line added that to end
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• 1277[06:50:50] <jmcnaught> mms_: did you get the same blank screen as before?
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• 1290[06:51:20] <mms_> jmcnaught: yes
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• 1296[06:52:06] <jcrain> Yeah the option is probably called "i915.modeset=0", I think the original reporter in that kernel bug report confused two different kernel opts
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• 1298[06:52:27] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 1301[06:53:03] <jmcnaught> ^^ this says for intel to use "nomodeset" kernel command parameter or to edit /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
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• 1308[06:53:41] <mms_> should I proceed with backport now ?
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• 1320[06:55:15] <mms_> I went to end of Linux line added that and did CTRL-X
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• 1329[06:56:14] <mms_> jcrain: ??
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• 1332[06:56:36] <jcrain> I would do the backport, but either way
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• 1334[06:56:45] <mms_> jmcnaught: how to install the appropriate kernel then.
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• 1354[06:57:08] <jmcnaught> mms_: is your system 32 or 64 bit?
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• 1356[06:57:16] <mms_> jcrain: adding deb replaced-url
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• 1358[06:57:33] <jmcnaught> !bpo kernel
• 1359[06:57:33] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 1366[06:58:41] <mms_> jmcnaught: aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
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• 1368[06:58:49] <mms_> looks good for me ?
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• 1373[06:59:21] <jmcnaught> mms_: that should do it, make sure to always read the proposed changed to make sure it looks okay
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• 1376[06:59:28] <mms_> I hope I can rollback if it does not work ....I mean it should just add new entry in grub.
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• 1384[07:00:48] <mms_> any backup precaution ?
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• 1386[07:01:34] <mms_> jmcnaught: ??
• 1387[07:01:40] <jmcnaught> mms_: it shouldn't remove the 3.2 kernel, worst case scenario you boot from installer to rescue system
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• 1390[07:02:06] <tannercollin> i'm having weird .ed.[date].gz files appear in my / directory. here's a listing: replaced-url
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• 1392[07:02:11] <mms_> jmcnaught: installer ? I do not have any cd..I had installed from usb in past
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• 1394[07:02:20] <cygnusx1> grub should make a init for each kernel if you update it
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• 1397[07:02:42] <mms_> jmcnaught: grub has some entries like recovery etc.
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• 1421[07:03:42] <mms_> cygnusx1: you mean I will be able to login and rollback or grub entry I can choose old kernel ?
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• 1430[07:05:08] <cygnusx1> yes mms_
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• 1432[07:05:20] <cygnusx1> just run update_grub as root
• 1433[07:05:27] <cygnusx1> just run update-grub as root
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• 1435[07:05:34] <mms_> cygnusx1: ok
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• 1437[07:05:39] <mms_> jmcnaught: so going ahead
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• 1439[07:05:55] <jmcnaught> mms_: my fingers are crossed
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• 1454[07:13:04] <mms_> its removing whole bunch of packages ....
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• 1465[07:19:21] <mms_> so I should se 4.3 entry in grub on reboot
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• 1470[07:21:14] <cygnusx1> after you run update-grub yes
• 1471[07:21:20] <AlwaysHi-> is there anyway to return a value or string from a detached screen to ssh
• 1472[07:21:20] <cygnusx1> run it as root
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• 1474[07:21:31] <cygnusx1> use screen -r
• 1475[07:21:40] <mms_> yes did that
• 1476[07:21:42] <mms_> now rebooting
• 1477[07:21:47] <cygnusx1> k mms_
• 1478[07:21:51] <cygnusx1> best of luck
• 1479[07:21:54] <mms_> as such I think it was already done as part of install
• 1480[07:22:01] <cygnusx1> it may have
• 1481[07:22:03] <mms_> I saw similar output
• 1482[07:22:05] <cygnusx1> most likely was
• 1483[07:22:08] <mms_> ok booting
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• 1486[07:22:49] <cygnusx1> or screen -r -d if you dont know the screen and want to force the last screen
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• 1488[07:23:01] <cygnusx1> that is assuming you have the program screen installed...
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• 1491[07:24:04] <AlwaysHi-> yeah its like im trying to run a bash script from php but need to use screen so i dont halt php script but once the bash script has finished it will terminate the screen
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• 1493[07:24:32] <cygnusx1> have you tried using tmux
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• 1495[07:24:55] <AlwaysHi-> cygnusx1, never heard of it
• 1496[07:25:18] <setuid> I need to install PHP 5.3 on Jessie, because 5.6 breaks everything. How should I do this? Use snapshots.debian.org and grab the version from 2012?
• 1497[07:25:18] <cygnusx1> its a program that can save shell sessions
• 1498[07:25:50] <cygnusx1> replaced-url
• 1499[07:26:10] <AlwaysHi-> hmm wonder how hard it is too code around it
• 1500[07:26:19] <jcrain> tmux is more or less the same as as screen, it can do a few extra things
• 1501[07:26:23] <cygnusx1> so you run screen and it closes the screen?
• 1502[07:26:36] <cygnusx1> it shouldnt do that
• 1503[07:26:42] <jcrain> AlwaysHi-: If I understand what you are trying to do, it sounds frightening
• 1504[07:27:02] <setuid> tmux rules, I use it all the time now
• 1505[07:27:04] <setuid> I gave up screen
• 1506[07:27:09] <AlwaysHi-> jcrain, indeed im not enjoying thinking about implenting it :/
• 1507[07:27:48] <AlwaysHi-> i need to return status of bash script to php to update client ui
• 1508[07:27:57] <AlwaysHi-> if script was successful
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• 1510[07:28:41] <mms_> replaced-url
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• 1512[07:28:47] <mms_> still blank screen
• 1513[07:28:49] <cygnusx1> you could try tmux if screen isnt working AlwaysHi-
• 1514[07:29:06] <cygnusx1> mms_ maybe you need graphics drivers
• 1515[07:29:13] <cygnusx1> i had similar issues in the past
• 1516[07:29:16] <mms_> cygnusx1: its intel one
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• 1518[07:29:24] <AlwaysHi-> cygnusx1, im thinking i might just need it to output status to a file and read from there
• 1519[07:29:29] <mms_> cygnusx1: some one said do not need to install
• 1520[07:29:55] <jmcnaught> cygnusx1: it's an intel gpu
• 1521[07:29:58] <cygnusx1> mms_ i would try the proprietary drivers
• 1522[07:29:58] <cygnusx1> i had to on my pc
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• 1524[07:30:38] <cygnusx1> you probably need the proprietary drivers
• 1525[07:30:41] <jmcnaught> mms_: do you have a /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf file?
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• 1527[07:31:08] <jmcnaught> cygnusx1: there generally aren't proprietary drivers for the intel GPUs except for that one poulsbo one
• 1528[07:31:24] <cygnusx1> replaced-url
• 1529[07:31:26] <cygnusx1> there are
• 1530[07:31:29] <mms_> let me check
• 1531[07:31:42] <mms_> yes
• 1532[07:31:50] <mms_> jmcnaught: that file is present
• 1533[07:32:06] <jmcnaught> cygnusx1: that's for the GMA500 aka poulsbo which is an odd intel gpu unrelated to all their other ones
• 1534[07:32:12] <cygnusx1> oh
• 1535[07:32:12] <jmcnaught> mms_: what's in it?
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• 1537[07:32:20] <cygnusx1> ok then
• 1538[07:32:26] <mms_> one line
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• 1540[07:32:33] <jmcnaught> mms_: that says...
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• 1542[07:32:40] <mms_> options i915 modeset=1
• 1543[07:33:09] <jmcnaught> mms_: change it to modeset=0 and try rebooting
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• 1545[07:33:19] <mms_> this time I did not see any errors in the boot log like earlier drm etc.
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• 1547[07:33:31] <mms_> ok
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• 1549[07:34:04] <jmcnaught> mms_: it would also be interesting to see if you can SSH into the computer while the screen is blank, if you had another computer to do that from
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• 1553[07:37:36] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1554[07:37:43] <mms_> jmcnaught: it came up into gui fine now
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• 1556[07:38:00] <mms_> so was it just that modeset and or is it we needed kernel update too ?
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• 1558[07:38:27] <jmcnaught> mms_: i think it was just the modeset that fixed it, i bet if you select the 3.16 jessie kernel it will work now too
• 1559[07:38:38] <cygnusx1> it was probably modeset but the kernel upgrade doesnt hurt
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• 1562[07:39:19] <hypermist> I need to install lidb4.8 but since there is no installation canidate i can't anyone able to help me ?
• 1563[07:39:27] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok will leave it as of now ...it started with chrome giving warning like unsupported version etc. and so did dist-upgrade ....so now will google chrome be good ?
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• 1565[07:40:45] <jmcnaught> mms_: you're on your own for chrome :) chromium is in Debian though, you could consider using it. I use Iceweasel myself
• 1566[07:41:25] <cygnusx1> i think after your kernel headers update it will be fine mms_
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• 1568[07:41:59] <cygnusx1> just run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
• 1569[07:42:10] <cygnusx1> or however you prefer to upgrade
• 1570[07:42:27] <jmcnaught> not sure how kernel headers are involved
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• 1572[07:42:44] <mms_> I use iceweasel too I think what I have a chrome is chromium.. how to search
• 1573[07:42:53] <cygnusx1> well for me i have noticed a lot of files wont run unless the headers are updated when i update a kernel
• 1574[07:43:10] <mms_> ya it says chromium web browser
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• 1576[07:43:29] <mms_> so should I put back that console-screen.sh and portmapper ?
• 1577[07:43:34] <jmcnaught> cygnusx1: probably your stinky proprietary drivers that need to be compiled because they cannot be distributed as modules for the GPL kernel
• 1578[07:43:43] <mms_> earlier while it was hanging I removed them
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• 1581[07:44:09] <cygnusx1> jmcnaught probably right
• 1582[07:44:15] <jmcnaught> mms_: i would say no to console-screen.sh because it's not in Debian anymore. Portmapper is only needed for NFS, depends on whether you need that (most home users don't)
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• 1584[07:45:05] <mms_> well let me add both and see how it goes if does not hurt will leave them in there also will install irssi
• 1585[07:45:11] <mms_> jmcnaught: you suggested that right ?
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• 1590[07:46:01] <jmcnaught> mms_: i use irssi and think it's great, but if you don't like the CLI hexchat is another option, and there are plenty others
• 1591[07:46:24] <mms_> let me try irssi
• 1592[07:46:30] <mms_> and if not will try hexchat
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• 1594[07:46:48] <cygnusx1> i use hexchat but irssi is easier to use than weechat
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• 1596[07:47:38] <jmcnaught> the best IRC experience for me is to have irssi running on a shell account on a server somewhere, and connect to it with ssh+screen
• 1597[07:48:01] <cygnusx1> i run znc on a server and connect to it
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• 1881[09:32:41] <jors> Hi there, seems that Squeeze LTS support ended on Feb2016, but is it supposed to fail with this error?
• 1882[09:32:42] <jors> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1884[09:33:11] <nkuttler> jors: it's being removed from mirrors
• 1885[09:33:19] <TomTomTosch> jors, yep. you need to point it to the archive.
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• 1887[09:33:40] <TomTomTosch> jors, or, you know... upgrade :P
• 1888[09:34:04] <jors> nkuttler, TomTomTosch: Oh, I see... so now archive will have latest Squeeze LTS packages, right?
• 1889[09:34:24] <jors> s/latest/last Squeeze LTS released/g
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• 1894[09:36:04] <Aebian> hi, how can I tell aptitude or apt to generate config files for php5?
• 1895[09:36:10] <Aebian> I already tried aptitude install -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confmiss php5-fpm php5-curl php5-mysql php5-gd php5-mcrypt php5-json
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• 1897[09:36:23] <Aebian> but thats doesn't seem to work
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• 1899[09:36:46] <Aebian> also if I purge the packages and re-install them, no change
• 1900[09:36:54] <TandyUK> Aebian: total guess, but have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure php'
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• 1905[09:37:32] <Aebian> TandyUK: I haven't, thanks for reminding me bout that command. WIll try now, thanks
• 1906[09:38:04] <Aebian> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: php5-common is broken or not fully installed
• 1907[09:38:23] <TandyUK> well that probably true
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• 1909[09:38:45] <Aebian> well yeah thats because the installer fails because for some reason he can't generate the default config files
• 1910[09:38:50] <TandyUK> assuming default location, /usr/local/lib/php.ini
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• 1919[09:39:30] <TandyUK> cant say ive actually used php on debian, so guessing based on my rhel/centos/cpanel knowledge
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• 1921[09:39:41] <Aebian> well since I'm using php5-fpm its normnally /etc/php5/fpm/
• 1922[09:39:54] <Aebian> and the folder exist but, no default config files inside
• 1923[09:40:05] <Aebian> second one would be /etc/php5/cli/
• 1924[09:40:17] <Aebian> also there but without config files inside
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• 1935[09:41:41] <TandyUK> I have php.ini in /etc/php5/apache2 on a wheezy box
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• 1938[09:43:17] <TandyUK> thats using php5-[cgi|cli|common]
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• 1959[09:50:30] <jors> So I changed Squeeze LTS repos to Debian Archive, but which is the correct one (each one shows different packages to be upgraded)?
• 1960[09:50:33] <jors> deb replaced-url
• 1961[09:50:39] <jors> or deb replaced-url
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• 2026[10:17:50] <Aebian> TandyUK: yeah but I'm not using apache ^^ I hate apache but that shouldn't be the problem I think. I'm using nginx
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• 2029[10:18:20] <Aebian> I'm not sure why debian can't just create the standard php config files
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• 2049[10:25:22] <Aebian> TandyUK: well scratch it. I just import my php5-config backups, should be easier
• 2050[10:25:30] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
• 2051[10:26:11] <rysiek|pl> just had one server (Debian stable) go down, seemingly without a cause
• 2052[10:26:24] <TomTomTosch> jors, the squeeze-lts directory is still in the official mirrors. but i'm not sure what the procedure is on this, sry.
• 2053[10:26:40] <rysiek|pl> and the only thing I get in kern.log and syslog at the time it went down is a bunch of "^@^@^@^@"
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• 2055[10:27:49] <rysiek|pl> not even really sure how to interpret this. is this something that's supposed to be logged there in certain conditions? is this something rather random that for instance might have found its wau to syslog/kern.log due to RAM failure?
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• 2057[10:27:57] <rysiek|pl> *way
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• 2059[10:28:53] <Aebian> TandyUK: okay didn't worked out well I'll keep investgating :D
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• 2070[10:34:24] <jors> TomTomTosch: We will try, thank you anyway
• 2071[10:34:28] <jelly> TomTomTosch: I managed to get i386 squeeze-lts from archive.d.o yesterday, are you sure it's on main mirrors?
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• 2085[10:36:36] <TomTomTosch> jelly, well, it's there. not sure for how long though :P
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• 2097[10:38:43] <TomTomTosch> jelly, jors seemed to have some problems updating with the ones in the archive. but as i said, i'm not sure. \(^_^)/
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• 2105[10:39:20] <sebd> Hello, what would you use as an alternative to Audacity to record children in classrooms ?
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• 2109[10:40:22] <jelly> TomTomTosch: I'm interpreting what they wrote quite the opposite, had problems getting from a mirror and switched to archive
• 2110[10:40:33] <jelly> so...
• 2111[10:40:41] <jelly> !squeeze sources.list
• 2112[10:40:41] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2116[10:40:58] <jelly> jors: you need both.
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• 2163[10:59:02] <bitch_ass> Hi
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• 2165[10:59:22] <bitch_ass> What app can I use similiar to Passera?
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• 2167[10:59:41] <jors> jelly: Thank you, will switch to Wheezy, makes no sense maintaining a security-unmaintained host
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• 2171[11:00:36] <hadobadobo> is there a way to disable memcache, not to remove it
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• 2175[11:01:05] <TomTomTosch> jors, read the release notes first though and check if there is something relevant to the services that you use.
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• 2177[11:01:15] <colo-work> hadobadobo, stop the service, remove it from your unlevels (or systemctl disable <servicename>)
• 2178[11:01:21] <colo-work> runlevels*
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• 2189[11:06:13] <hadobadobo> colo-work: thank you
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• 2228[11:25:36] <TomTomTosch> AquaL1te, replaced-url
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• 2233[11:28:40] <jelly> AquaL1te: when someone invests a lot of time to make the policies actually useful and usable
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• 2236[11:31:41] <AquaL1te> jelly, TomTomTosch: i know, i've also seen selinux in a few debian target release notes, i was wondering if or when it would be finished.
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• 2238[11:32:29] <itec_jean-test> je bvous
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• 2253[11:35:35] <kqr> hello! this is probably not the perfect place to ask but I need the opinion of reasonable people and you tend to be! if I need to write some content from bash to a file that's on a restricted location I've always used `command | sudo tee /path/to/file > /dev/null`. however, I just read that it's also possible to use dd for this, as in `command | sudo dd of=/path/to/file`. is there a reason to prefer one over
• 2254[11:35:36] <kqr> the other?
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• 2267[11:37:58] <inquisitor> is there a way to apt-search for packages?
• 2268[11:38:10] <pragomer_1> hi. anyone knows where I could download a kde 3.5 live iso .. e.g. knoppix 3.4 or 3.6 ?
• 2269[11:38:14] <AimHere> apt-cache search <keyword> ?
• 2270[11:38:35] <inquisitor> AimHere: is that right?
• 2271[11:38:41] <kqr> it is indeed
• 2272[11:38:50] <inquisitor> beautiful
• 2273[11:39:07] <inquisitor> cheers fellas
• 2274[11:39:42] <AimHere> apt-cache show <package-name> for details once you've found something that might be what you're after
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• 2276[11:39:56] <inquisitor> that will be quite helpful
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• 2278[11:40:04] <inquisitor> is that to provide info on the package
• 2279[11:40:11] <AimHere> Yes
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• 2283[11:40:28] <Kirkis> hi there, I have lots of writes on one of my disks (atop shows sdb as being bsuy 100% all the time) and I'd like to know which app is most responsible
• 2284[11:40:47] <inquisitor> excellent that will be much better for me than using aptitude etc
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• 2286[11:41:43] <Kirkis> I tried grepping over iotop but that's maybe not the best way to go?
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• 2288[11:41:52] <jim> Kirkis, could it be possible you're swapping/
• 2289[11:41:57] <jim> ?
• 2290[11:42:08] <Kirkis> yes that's possible, how do I know if I do?
• 2291[11:42:21] <jim> look at the output of free
• 2292[11:42:46] <jim> the bottom line shows swap used/free
• 2293[11:42:59] <Kirkis> nothing is used
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• 2295[11:43:04] <inquisitor> i think you can use watch for that Kirkis
• 2296[11:43:19] <Kirkis> im: Swap: 523260 0 523260
• 2297[11:43:25] <jim> hmm, then you're not swapping... how much used/free ram?
• 2298[11:43:50] <Kirkis> Mem: 264181604 82364484 181817120 0 12784936 31535220
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• 2300[11:44:26] <Kirkis> inquisitor: ok, watch over what command?
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• 2303[11:45:21] <jim> that's plenty... but this is good info, you've ruled out swapping so it has to be something else
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• 2305[11:46:50] <rafalcpp> what is the best way to upgrade debian 7 regarding gethostbyname or other [quite] easily remote exploitable bugs that could hit the computer during update?
• 2306[11:46:52] <inquisitor> sorry i cant remember, i recall readying an article before where it was used to show the most recent writes to disk and so on
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• 2310[11:48:07] <Kirkis> inquisitor I just tried watch'ing over iotop but that doesn't work, I get "_curses.error: nocbreak() returned ERR" from curses/wrapper.py
• 2311[11:48:11] <jim> inquisitor, one way, firewall everything else out while you're upgrading
• 2312[11:48:15] <rafalcpp> libc upgrade for gethostbyname was released for debian 7 right? should one download the .deb file and pass it over to vulnerable computer over USB?
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• 2318[11:49:27] <inquisitor> nah that wont work, the output of iotop is dynamic and buffered
• 2319[11:49:31] <inquisitor> i think
• 2320[11:49:38] <jim> you could do it that way... I would probably apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
• 2321[11:49:44] <jim> and say no
• 2322[11:50:12] <jim> this tells you what packages it would want
• 2323[11:51:36] <jim> you should find out the version of packages it wants, that I don't know how to do
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• 2325[11:52:47] <inquisitor> top would probably be more helpful than iotop btw
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• 2340[11:56:28] <inquisitor> Kirkis: try lsof | grep -e "[[:digit:]]\+w"
• 2341[11:57:16] <inquisitor> Kirkis: or lsof | grep -e "[0-9]\+w"
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• 2344[11:58:16] <Kirkis> inquisitor thanks, "wc -l" over that says 1538 lines
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• 2351[12:01:39] <Kirkis> htop says there is a lot of activity from tomcat, but when I watch "ls -al" over its log folder (which is the only thing tomcat writes to sdb), there is not enough activity to suggest 100% busy for this disk
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• 2353[12:02:02] <rafalcpp> how to update debian7 libc to newest version on a offline computer? in a way where the target computer gets to check the signature of deb update before installing it
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• 2357[12:03:07] <jim> rafalcpp, maybe apt-zip would help
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• 2368[12:07:37] <rafalcpp> btw, it seems apt-zip is discontinued?! replaced-url
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• 2373[12:10:03] <Kirkis> inquisitor thanks for the command, it shows a lot of lines using tomcat log files, but, as I said, in effet these files do not change much over time
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• 2386[12:12:52] <Kirkis> can having many file descriptors on the same 6 files cause HDD slowness?
• 2387[12:13:40] <inquisitor> 18:58 < Kirkis> inquisitor thanks, "wc -l" over that says 1538 lines
• 2388[12:13:45] <inquisitor> what do you mean by this
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• 2391[12:14:17] <Kirkis> this shows 1538: lsof | grep -e "[0-9]\+w" | wc -l
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• 2393[12:15:05] <inquisitor> as in theres a shitload of files open?
• 2394[12:15:06] <Kirkis> if I grep once more to show only file descriptors on the slow HDD, that's 490 lines and they are all over the same 6 log files
• 2395[12:15:11] <Kirkis> yes
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• 2398[12:16:48] <inquisitor> what is it a webserver or something
• 2399[12:17:33] <Kirkis> yes that's tomcat
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• 2402[12:18:11] <Kirkis> can having around 100 times the same files open cause HDD slowness?
• 2403[12:19:41] <inquisitor> locally, i would imagine so, but i dont know much about when it comes to hosting a website
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• 2405[12:20:34] <inquisitor> i guess your site must be fairly popular/successful, sounds like you have lots of traffic being logged
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• 2407[12:20:42] <Kirkis> one hundred doesn't seem much, and these files are not being written so I may be looking at it the wrong way
• 2408[12:20:58] <inquisitor> check this out replaced-url
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• 2411[12:21:05] <inquisitor> hope that helps
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• 2413[12:21:46] <pragomer_1> how can I - using the netinst.iso - install NO desktop environment... because.. when NOT choosing any DE (Gnome,KDE,LXDE...) Gnome is installed automatically??
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• 2416[12:22:06] <babilen> Don't install the desktop task
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• 2419[12:22:21] <babilen> (should work in the expert install)
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• 2422[12:23:20] <pragomer_1> this is the defautl setting: replaced-url
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• 2427[12:24:30] <veek> the spell check in libreoffice doesn't work - anyway to fix?
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• 2429[12:24:44] <veek> it runs and the dictionaries are there "Hunspell"
• 2430[12:24:46] <veek> etc
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• 2437[12:30:13] <babilen> pragomer_1: Yeah, untick "Debian desktop environment"
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• 2439[12:30:48] <babilen> (Gnome is the default if you don't override it underneath)
• 2440[12:31:08] <babilen> And yes, that means that "Gnome" in the list below is a bit redundant
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• 2445[12:33:26] <TomTomTosch> it's for if you want gnome and something else. but the desktop environment task is rather deceptive. maybe worth to file a bug report.
• 2446[12:33:30] <jim> veek, could you describe how the spell checker "doesn't work". precisely? (the phrase "doesn't work" carries less than no info)
• 2447[12:34:11] <veek> jim it did nothing basically therefore..
• 2448[12:34:16] <veek> anyway i got it to work
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• 2450[12:34:29] <veek> lang was set to en-uk vs en-us
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• 2452[12:35:05] <jim> veek, oh, good catch
• 2453[12:35:16] <babilen> TomTomTosch: I think a "(default: Gnome)" or so behind the standard selection would clarify
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• 2455[12:35:28] <inquisitor> hey guys, what exactly is being referred to as metaata here? : replaced-url
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• 2458[12:35:44] <babilen> At least users can easily pick the DE they want during the initial installation without having to do so in the boot menu
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• 2464[12:37:08] <jim> inquisitor, metadata is data about data... so, we're talking about the description of the software in the package, what it depends on, who the maintainer is, those kinds of things
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• 2478[12:42:19] <TomTomTosch> babilen, would be nice if it unticked the DE box if no DE was selected. not sure if that would be easy to implement. i'll look into it.
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• 2483[12:43:34] <r6ku> having all the DE options indented would be nice too...
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• 2496[12:50:00] <inquisitor> jim: is that information important?
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• 2506[12:53:44] <no_gravity> Is there a way to search for parameters in man pages? For example when I want to look up what the "-a" parameter does to rsync?
• 2507[12:54:23] <inquisitor> no_gravity: i just use grep
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• 2509[12:54:58] <inquisitor> like
• 2510[12:54:59] <rozie> no_gravity: use /
• 2511[12:55:36] <rozie> then type -a [enter]
• 2512[12:55:50] <inquisitor> man ls |grep "-a"
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• 2514[12:56:24] <no_gravity> rozie: thats how i do it. but its pretty cumbersome because a alot of other -a stuff comes up until the parameter is explained.
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• 2516[12:57:05] <rozie> space -a ;)
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• 2519[12:57:24] <no_gravity> rozie: i get the feeling you are just speculating :)
• 2520[12:57:32] <inquisitor> no shes right
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• 2522[12:57:52] <no_gravity> the result is pretty much the same as without the space
• 2523[12:57:55] <inquisitor> or you can probably do \sa-
• 2524[12:58:09] <inquisitor> or you can probably do
• 2525[12:58:09] <inquisitor> a-
• 2526[12:58:10] <no_gravity> because there is tons of stuff that starts with " -a" in the man
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• 2528[12:58:24] <inquisitor> or you can probably do \\na-
• 2529[12:59:25] <no_gravity> now i think both of you are just speculating.
• 2530[12:59:31] <inquisitor> sorry
• 2531[12:59:32] <inquisitor> -a
• 2532[12:59:36] <inquisitor> sorry '
• 2533[12:59:37] <inquisitor> -a'
• 2534[12:59:39] <inquisitor> dammit
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• 2536[13:00:01] <inquisitor> sorry \\n-a
• 2537[13:00:09] <inquisitor> with one \
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• 2539[13:00:14] <inquisitor> not two
• 2540[13:00:33] <inquisitor> or -a
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• 2542[13:00:38] <inquisitor> or \\t-a
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• 2546[13:01:20] <inquisitor> but yeah just use grep like i said
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• 2549[13:04:20] <rozie> no_gravity: well. I just typed man ls
• 2550[13:04:29] <rozie> then / space -a enter
• 2551[13:04:35] <rozie> first match is the parameter
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• 2553[13:04:42] <no_gravity> rozie: try it with man rsync
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• 2556[13:05:19] <no_gravity> this could be a solution: /-a\b
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• 2562[13:05:41] <rozie> no_gravity: use three spaces for rsync. just think, man!
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• 2566[13:06:56] <inquisitor> three spaces?
• 2567[13:07:08] <rozie> :-)
• 2568[13:07:14] <rozie> before -a
• 2569[13:07:19] <rozie> after / ;)
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• 2571[13:07:30] <inquisitor> is it 3 spaces? i thought it was a tab
• 2572[13:07:51] <rozie> /care ;)
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• 2575[13:08:15] <inquisitor> i dont know what your tryn say
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• 2578[13:09:45] <jelly> rafalcpp: if you worry about a malicious player between you and your dns resolver, you can temporarily change /etc/nsswitch.conf to only use local files, and add relevant entries to /etc/hosts
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• 2583[13:13:05] <rafalcpp> jelly: good idea, thanks
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• 2595[13:17:39] <jelly> rafalcpp: but if you have control of your dns resolver, you can implement mitigation there. I just use the latest pdns-recursor which limits reply size to 1680B or so
• 2596[13:18:06] <Guest68834> Hello everyone
• 2597[13:18:16] <Guest68834> Can anyone help me?
• 2598[13:18:33] <no_gravity> Guest68834: Depends
• 2599[13:18:38] <Guest68834> I got a problem installing debian 8.3
• 2600[13:18:41] <Guest68834> :/
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• 2602[13:18:50] <TomTomTosch> !ask
• 2603[13:18:50] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2607[13:20:44] <Rubas> Hello guys, if I insert an password in a command as root, example (hypotetically): "create-mysql-user user=myuser password=randompassword" - should I clear my bash history, and if I should, why?
• 2608[13:20:58] <Rubas> This is just an question, which I have wondered about.
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• 2610[13:21:30] <no_gravity> Rubas: I think you can type a space in front of the command so it will not end up in the bash history.
• 2611[13:21:36] <Guest68834> I have a problem installing debian 8.3 stable, i downloaded the first .ISO for DVD and made a bootable pendrive. I did all the installation process, but when i start the computer nothing happens, it just appears a blinking underline in the top left of the screen
• 2612[13:21:44] <rafalcpp> Rubas: disable bash history in this console before such commands export HISTFILE=/dev/null and later to be sure you could "shred ~/.bashhistory" (it will destroy that file)
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• 2614[13:21:54] <Rubas> no_gravity: oh awesome, i didn't know that! That's really useful!
• 2615[13:22:10] <Rubas> rafalcpp: more the question is, so somebody could "steal" the history file, or what?
• 2616[13:22:15] <rafalcpp> that space thing too but it depends on the configuration of bash, Rubas. the space thing is annoying as fuck for some users so it's sometimes disabled
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• 2618[13:22:26] <Rubas> rafalcpp: but to steal the bash history file, you need to be root right?
• 2619[13:22:28] <no_gravity> Guest68834: When you boot the machine without the pen drive, it boots normally?
• 2620[13:22:29] <rafalcpp> Rubas: also, you could just mysql -p and enter the password then in interactive mode
• 2621[13:23:20] <Rubas> Thank you for answering me :)
• 2622[13:23:23] <Guest68834> no_gravity: No, it does not. This blinking underline will appear in the top left and nothing happens
• 2623[13:23:24] <rafalcpp> Rubas: yes (unless something is missconfigured), though chmod 700 /root/ (not 100% sure if that is the default)... also better mysql -p because other users on computer can snoop of command line arguments whit things like "ps -aux" command
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• 2625[13:23:35] <jelly> rafalcpp: what security value does shredding root's history file add?
• 2626[13:23:42] <Rubas> rafalcpp: THAT makes more sense! :D
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• 2628[13:24:01] <jelly> I mean... they're root already, they don't need a password to access that mysql db
• 2629[13:24:04] <rafalcpp> jelly: throwing out old hard drive (but yeah you will have much more problems then just leaked history in such case) mainly
• 2630[13:24:11] <no_gravity> Guest68834: Sounds like you are not booting from the usb drive at all. Try going into the bios setup and see if it is set up to boot from the usb drive.
• 2631[13:24:36] <jelly> rafalcpp: physical access is the same thing as root. What's the benefit?
• 2632[13:24:47] <rafalcpp> jelly: is OS always guaranteed to never leak unallocated raw bytes from the media to the user? I'm not sure
• 2633[13:25:15] <rafalcpp> jelly: no physical access to machine. But access to thrown away old hard drive (that is no longer part of os, and that used to store /root/)
• 2634[13:25:39] <jelly> rafalcpp: what raw bytes? In the junked old hdd scenario someone already has the whole disk.
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• 2636[13:26:07] <jelly> rafalcpp: junked disk = physical access to said disk
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• 2638[13:26:43] <rafalcpp> yeah. That should not happen in the first place (disk should be properly utilized, and better encrypted to begin with) but if it would happen then such shred could be the saving thing
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• 2640[13:26:53] <jelly> rafalcpp: saving from what?
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• 2642[13:27:13] <rafalcpp> jelly: saving from recovering from it his mysql password that could still be valid
• 2643[13:27:19] <Guest68834> no_gravity: i did that, and i did install debian correctly. But when the instalation ended i removed the pendrive, as it was already installed
• 2644[13:27:49] <jelly> rafalcpp: but it doesn't matter that the whole disk and the whole mysql db is on it as well?
• 2645[13:27:56] <Guest68834> no_gravity: it should have started normally, but it didn't, i dont know why
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• 2647[13:28:03] <rafalcpp> jelly: maybe it was / on that drive, and /var /srv /home on another
• 2648[13:28:09] <no_gravity> Guest68834: so you did install debian 8.3 already, but it does not boot now?
• 2649[13:28:24] <Guest68834> no_gravity: that is right!
• 2650[13:28:37] <no_gravity> Guest68834: how does the screen look exactly, after powering on?
• 2651[13:29:00] <jelly> rafalcpp: maybe you junked all the old disks.
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• 2654[13:29:23] <rafalcpp> jelly: if he dumped entire old drive then it doesn't help :) but if he leaked just / then it does
• 2655[13:29:26] <jelly> the error is not wiping them whole, not just not wiping one file.
• 2656[13:29:28] <r6ku> Guest68834: specs?
• 2657[13:29:47] <jelly> rafalcpp: I disagree wiping root's history has some special value.
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• 2661[13:31:18] <rafalcpp> jelly: it's a rare case as described above, but not-zero :) Ofc better instead just protect the hard drive properly
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• 2664[13:33:01] <Guest68834> no_gravity: it appears that screen where i have the option to press f2 to access the mobo stuff, and quicly after that, a black screen appears, with a blinking underscore at the top left, and thats it
• 2665[13:33:11] <Rubas> Thank you for the answers rafalcpp and no_gravity ;)
• 2666[13:33:34] <Guest68834> r6ku: It's a rv411, Samsung. Not the best notebook lol
• 2667[13:33:56] <no_gravity> Guest68834: Guess you have to go into grub rescue mode or something and fiddle around with it. I dont know how to do that. Others here probably know.
• 2668[13:34:00] <r6ku> Guest68834: if you press ctrl+alt+F1 do you get a terminal prompt for login?
• 2669[13:34:03] <Guest68834> r6ku: Pentium 6200, 2 gigs RAM, 500hd
• 2670[13:35:01] <Guest68834> no_gravity: thanks man! No problem
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• 2672[13:35:41] <Guest68834> r6ku: i dont know that right now, but i can try it
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• 2680[13:37:15] <r6ku> Guest68834: if you don't get a login prompt, then it's a issue with GRUB not getting installed properly, otherwise it's probably a driver issue
• 2681[13:37:29] <Brigo> Guest68834, i think you are not reaching even grub. It looks like your bios are not booting your disk or the disk is no bootable.
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• 2688[13:39:11] <Brigo> Guest68834, you can use the install disk in advanced mode for reinstalling grub. It is easy, just some questions.
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• 2691[13:39:58] <Guest68834> Brigo: I see. I will try
• 2692[13:40:14] <Guest68834> Brigo: thanks
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• 2694[13:40:33] <Brigo> Guest68834, np, good luck :)
• 2695[13:40:40] <Guest68834> Well guys, thanks
• 2696[13:40:54] <Guest68834> When i get to do all the recomendations, i will Tell it here
• 2697[13:41:00] <Guest68834> Thank you very much
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• 2716[13:45:31] <plasmoduck> Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.iinet.net.au_debian_debian_dists_stretch_main_binary-amd64_Packages
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• 2718[13:45:49] <plasmoduck> That happens now when I 'apt-get update'
• 2719[13:46:50] <markybob> plasmoduck: stretch isn't supported here per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 2744[13:54:30] <plasmoduck> markybob, sorry but that channel is very quiet. Do you have any idea how to fix it?
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• 2838[14:35:53] <unborn> guys how to properly remove package I no longer want in my system? dpkg --remove pakcage-name?
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• 2843[14:37:47] <rsx> unborn: apt purge package-name
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• 2849[14:39:21] <rsx> unborn: you're welcome
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• 2904[15:01:50] <eugenmayer> are those general squeeze mirror gone now - are there any left?
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• 2906[15:02:13] <markybob> eugenmayer: they're gone. archived now.
• 2907[15:02:15] <eugenmayer> squeeze-lts does not include all packages
• 2908[15:02:23] <rysiek|pl> hmmm
• 2909[15:02:28] <jelly> eugenmayer: and it's not supposed to.
• 2910[15:02:32] <eugenmayer> markybob: any way to access them?
• 2911[15:02:41] <jelly> dpkg, tell eugenmayer about squeeze sources.list
• 2912[15:02:45] <rysiek|pl> shrinking an ext4 without moving the starting point is easy
• 2913[15:02:49] <rysiek|pl> -ish
• 2914[15:02:51] <markybob> eugenmayer: sure. use archive
• 2915[15:02:59] <eugenmayer> ah - sorry. Never had to use it.
• 2916[15:03:09] <rysiek|pl> but can't find any solid info on how to shrink it by moving the beginning (so that end stays in place)
• 2917[15:03:11] <eugenmayer> Thank you jelly and markybob
• 2918[15:03:28] <rysiek|pl> *ext4 partition that is
• 2919[15:03:41] <rysiek|pl> obviously talking about shrinking with data on it ;)
• 2920[15:03:47] <rysiek|pl> and yes, backups have been made
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• 2929[15:06:29] <eugenmayer> what are those squeeze-proposed-updates .. are those the squeeze-updates?
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• 2941[15:12:33] <markybob> !proposed-updates
• 2942[15:12:33] <dpkg> stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. replaced-url
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• 2948[15:14:27] <sebd> rysiek|pl: shrink first, then move
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• 2950[15:15:18] <rysiek|pl> sebd: yeah, but I cn't find any info on how to move it properly
• 2951[15:15:36] <rysiek|pl> apart from moving to a completely different space on the drive, which is not what I am trying to do
• 2952[15:16:04] <rysiek|pl> basically I want to shrink it and move it in a way that it ends in the same place, and I generate some space in front of it
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• 2956[15:18:06] <frostschutz> rysiek|pl, shrink it, then move the partition by relocating all data on it
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• 2958[15:18:16] <frostschutz> there is no built in support for moving the start of a filesystem
• 2959[15:18:31] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: so, dd?
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• 2961[15:19:00] <frostschutz> rysiek|pl, you have to move it backwards (or the start will overwrite the middle of the filesystem that was not yet moved)
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• 2963[15:19:28] <frostschutz> rysiek|pl, ddrescue has a mode that copies stuff reverse. practice on something you can afford to lose ;)
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• 2965[15:19:39] <rysiek|pl> yeah, figures. but won't that fsck up the data on the partition anyway?
• 2966[15:19:45] <frostschutz> or just let gparted do it and hope for the best
• 2967[15:19:49] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: well, I do have backups of all of this
• 2968[15:19:58] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: server, ssh access, no X
• 2969[15:20:06] <frostschutz> x over ssh
• 2970[15:20:08] <rysiek|pl> 1.4TiB of data on 1.8TiB partition
• 2971[15:20:12] <frostschutz> ssh -x
• 2972[15:20:17] <rysiek|pl> this is not conducive to ssh -x ;)
• 2973[15:20:18] <frostschutz> err, -X
• 2974[15:20:20] <frostschutz> ;)
• 2975[15:20:21] <rysiek|pl> I know
• 2976[15:20:31] * rysiek|pl used to use virt-manager via ssh -X
• 2977[15:20:34] <rysiek|pl> that was fun
• 2978[15:20:40] <rysiek|pl> anywa
• 2979[15:20:42] <rysiek|pl> y
• 2980[15:20:48] <frostschutz> rysiek|pl, or manually with dd in chunks like this replaced-url
• 2981[15:21:18] <rysiek|pl> I am wondering if it makes sense at all -- the thing is, I have swap, /boot, /data; I want to resize /data and make space for a separate / partition
• 2982[15:21:30] <rysiek|pl> it would be *nice* to have the / partition before the (shrunk) /data
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• 2984[15:21:48] <rysiek|pl> but maybe I should not worry, just shrink /data and create / after it
• 2985[15:21:59] <rysiek|pl> so the layout would be swap, /boot, /data, /
• 2986[15:22:05] <frostschutz> or just use /data as / who cares... ;)
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• 2988[15:23:01] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: I would have to move all the data from /data then :P
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• 2994[15:23:41] <frostschutz> that's instant... mkdir /data/data ; mv /data/* /data/data/
• 2995[15:23:42] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: I do have /data as / right now, and I rather not; one of the reasons is: when I need to do system upgrade or reinstall, I'd rather not have the system on the same partition
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• 2998[15:24:13] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: I'll give you a 4/10 on that troll
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• 3000[15:24:25] <frostschutz> what troll?
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• 3002[15:24:31] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: and that's just because I know you can do better :)
• 3003[15:24:43] <rysiek|pl> anywhoo
• 3004[15:24:57] <frostschutz> you move it like that, then mount /data as / the next time and you still have /data - up to you
• 3005[15:25:01] <rysiek|pl> I might just scrap the "move partition" idea and shrink it, creating the new / after it
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• 3007[15:25:21] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: I won't have enough space on the new partition to move all the data to it
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• 3009[15:25:33] <frostschutz> it's the same partition
• 3010[15:25:42] <frostschutz> you move it within the same filesystem, so its instant
• 3011[15:25:48] <rysiek|pl> eh
• 3012[15:25:51] <frostschutz> anyhow, you could switch to LVM
• 3013[15:25:53] <rysiek|pl> let me say this again
• 3014[15:26:05] <rysiek|pl> I don't want to have data on the same partition as system anymore on that server
• 3015[15:26:20] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: I could, yes
• 3016[15:26:25] <frostschutz> you can switch to lvm in place (sorry, it's in german) replaced-url
• 3017[15:26:26] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: but taht would be even more work
• 3018[15:26:33] <rysiek|pl> ah
• 3019[15:26:35] <rysiek|pl> thanks
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• 3035[15:34:56] <chotaz`w> I've been trying to apply an SSL redirect on my little pet project, however I've stumbled on another problem. When I try to 'a2dissite dd.myproject.local' it tells me the said site doesn't exist, but I'm sure it's under /sites-enabled/ and that it does exist by that name. Am I overlooking something?
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• 3043[15:37:04] <pfote> chotaz`w: file named like the host?
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• 3045[15:37:27] <chotaz`w> theres dd.myproject.local.conf for site dd.myproject.local
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• 3048[15:38:20] <chotaz`w> pfote, could it be a problem that I wrote the file directly to /sites-available/ ? does a2dissite need the webset to be 'upped' by a2ensite?
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• 3050[15:38:38] <themill> yes
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• 3052[15:39:14] <themill> a2{dis,en}site just manipulate symlinks between sites-available and sites-enabled
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• 3057[15:40:23] <chotaz`w> so what's created in /sites-available/ should always by default behavior be a symlink, if a2dissite fails to spot a symlink it aborts?
• 3058[15:40:38] <teraflops> Why is that a problem? If you create a file in sites-available?
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• 3068[15:46:28] <maddawg> how come ipconfig doesnt work from the terminal but when i ssh in to my box it works fine
• 3069[15:46:36] <maddawg> errr not ipconfig
• 3070[15:46:37] <maddawg> lol
• 3071[15:46:38] <maddawg> ifconfig
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• 3074[15:48:35] <fireba11> maddawg: terminal as what user? :-D
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• 3076[15:49:00] <maddawg> my useraccount (administrator) not root
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• 3079[15:50:00] <maddawg> oh wait
• 3080[15:50:01] <maddawg> i see
• 3081[15:50:02] <teraflops> Call it via full path
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• 3083[15:50:12] <maddawg> actually as root it does work
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• 3085[15:50:17] <maddawg> that's interesting
• 3086[15:50:27] <maddawg> in other distros i can just type ifconfig to get my ip address
• 3087[15:50:38] <teraflops> Nope that means is not in your path
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• 3090[15:51:00] <maddawg> shouldnt it be in my path by default teraflops
• 3091[15:51:03] <maddawg> it's a fresh install
• 3092[15:51:15] <maddawg> first time installing debian
• 3093[15:51:46] <teraflops> It's debian default so i guess the other distros are not debian
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• 3095[15:52:15] <maddawg> no they are other distros like Ubuntu for example
• 3096[15:52:30] <maddawg> so are you saying that by default ifconfig is not in the path for debian?
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• 3098[15:53:06] <teraflops> Im.saying /sbin is.not in the user path
• 3099[15:53:16] <maddawg> ah
• 3100[15:53:19] <maddawg> gotcha
• 3101[15:53:25] <maddawg> odd choice
• 3102[15:53:31] <maddawg> but ok i'll roll with that
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• 3104[15:54:01] <teraflops> By default. I guess is there (sbin) im on the phone sorry
• 3105[15:54:22] <maddawg> what?
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• 3109[15:57:45] <teraflops> maddawg: i meant the path (/sbin). I cannot check it right now.
• 3110[15:57:51] <ghormoon> hi, any idea what may be wrong if I can host domain.tld, dig domain.tld, but ping domain.tld does not resolve it? resolvconf is correct. it did work few hours ago correctly
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• 3112[15:58:07] <maddawg> i'm having issues with dns now too lol
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• 3114[15:58:10] <maddawg> worked fine yesterday
• 3115[15:58:22] <maddawg> and it should be getting it from the dhcp but it aint working correctly
• 3116[15:58:41] <ghormoon> did you try dhcpdump to check content of the packets/
• 3117[15:58:43] <ghormoon> ?
• 3118[15:59:04] <maddawg> never heard of dhcpdump
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• 3121[15:59:29] <ghormoon> something like tcpdump but decodes the dhcp packets too
• 3122[15:59:45] <maddawg> well that command is not found
• 3123[15:59:51] <maddawg> so no i havent
• 3124[15:59:51] <ghormoon> so you know if problem is serverside or clientside
• 3125[15:59:59] <ghormoon> apt-get install dhcpdump :)
• 3126[16:00:02] <grawity> quite a few commands are 'not found' until you install them'
• 3127[16:00:12] <maddawg> well i assume it's client side cuz all my other machiensa are fine
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• 3130[16:00:21] <maddawg> and my dns server is able to resolve the addresses
• 3131[16:00:46] <grawity> that doesn't automatically mean that – I've had a DHCP server send garbage to one specific client, I've had another DHCP server NAK all requests from a specific cleint, etc.
• 3132[16:00:50] <maddawg> i cant install dhcpdump because it cant find the packages cuz the dns isnt working
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• 3135[16:02:57] <maddawg> fails to fetch everything since it cant resolve any of the names
• 3136[16:04:04] <maddawg> well actually dhcpdump is installed sigh
• 3137[16:04:18] <maddawg> man debian is kinda starting to be ALOT worse than i thought it was going to be
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• 3139[16:04:30] <ghormoon> afk, reboot, no idea what to check next in the dns :(
• 3140[16:04:44] <maddawg> already did that like 3 times
• 3141[16:04:52] <maddawg> it seems to know my dns server
• 3142[16:04:57] <maddawg> it has it correctly
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• 3144[16:06:48] <ghormoon> back
• 3145[16:07:02] <ghormoon> and still the same, 80% things work, 20% don't
• 3146[16:07:12] <ghormoon> i can nmap, but not ping hosts
• 3147[16:07:16] <ghormoon> etc.
• 3148[16:07:35] <grawity> can you resolve any names `dig` or host`?
• 3149[16:07:47] <maddawg> nope
• 3150[16:07:54] <grawity> both with the default server (`dig google.com`) and with a custom one (`dig google.com @8.8.8.8`), I mean
• 3151[16:08:00] <maddawg> odd this was all working fine before doing a damn dist-upgrade
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• 3155[16:08:51] <maddawg> if i use dig google.com @8.8.8.8 it resolves
• 3156[16:09:36] <ghormoon> I can dig/host them all
• 3157[16:09:48] <ghormoon> but some commands can't
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• 3160[16:11:37] <grawity> ghormoon: what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf list about "hosts:"?
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• 3162[16:12:12] <ghormoon> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
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• 3164[16:13:40] <ghormoon> ha, that will be it, I'll ditch the mdns
• 3165[16:13:52] <ghormoon> because the broken things were mostly asking for .local domains :)
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• 3169[16:15:09] <ghormoon> apt-get purge avahi-daemon fixed it :)
• 3170[16:15:40] <Mitzelflick> anyone here setup split network ipsec vpn with vpnc?
• 3171[16:15:54] <Mitzelflick> I am wondering if I need to install gnome and use its vpn client...
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• 3174[16:16:19] <Mitzelflick> I am having gret difficulty being able to get to loca machines while on vpn with vpnc
• 3175[16:16:22] <ghormoon> use vpnc from the commandline :))
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• 3177[16:16:51] <Mitzelflick> how do i get to local machines? I am trying using 'split' network but DNS does not work for local
• 3178[16:16:55] <ghormoon> that's another problem, some servers push default route and vpnc honors that automatically
• 3179[16:17:13] <ghormoon> check how your routes look like
• 3180[16:17:15] <ghormoon> after connecting
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• 3182[16:17:23] <ghormoon> if it's the same problem I had
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• 3185[16:19:05] <jelly> Mitzelflick: do you have issues with name resolving or with routing?
• 3186[16:19:25] <jelly> or both
• 3187[16:19:51] <ghormoon> my guess is both, this was our favorite problem atmy previous job :)
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• 3189[16:20:14] <ghormoon> like, there were people complaining like 10 times a day :D
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• 3198[16:23:09] <Mitzelflick> I have a basic config that works, let me up it
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• 3204[16:26:00] <Mitzelflick> ok once vpnc is running, I can't use DNS for local
• 3205[16:26:07] <Mitzelflick> although I can ping local
• 3206[16:26:23] <ghormoon> does it overwrite resolv.conf?
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• 3208[16:27:06] <Mitzelflick> yes
• 3209[16:27:09] <ghormoon> it did that too for us. I personally just chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf, though if you need the remote dns that's not the right way :)))
• 3210[16:27:33] <Mitzelflick> now if I add local dns ip and search and domain lines to resolv.conf
• 3211[16:27:38] <Mitzelflick> should DNS start working?
• 3212[16:27:46] <ghormoon> yup
• 3213[16:27:58] <ghormoon> just keep in mind that vpnc will overwrite every start and exit
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• 3218[16:30:17] <Mitzelflick> even after adding DNS server, DNS wont work.
• 3219[16:30:18] <Mitzelflick> hmm
• 3220[16:30:26] <Mitzelflick> I guess I will jsut deal
• 3221[16:30:34] <Mitzelflick> hit a jump box by ip
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• 3231[16:33:23] <rysiek|pl> hmm
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• 3237[16:33:54] <rysiek|pl> if I'm resizing a partition that is in an mdadm RAID1 array
• 3238[16:34:02] <rysiek|pl> and then adding a new partition behind it
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• 3241[16:34:18] <rysiek|pl> do I remove just that partition from mdadm array
• 3242[16:34:27] <rysiek|pl> or should I remove all the partitions from all the arrays
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• 3245[16:34:45] <rysiek|pl> before mucking around with the partition table on both drives (I have RAID1 on two drives)
• 3246[16:34:49] <frostschutz> mdadm basically doesn't support shrinking partitions
• 3247[16:35:00] <frostschutz> not without re-syncing anyway
• 3248[16:35:11] <rysiek|pl> I know
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• 3250[16:35:18] <rozie> rysiek|pl: is raid1 made from partitions or disks?
• 3251[16:35:25] <rysiek|pl> rozie: yup
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• 3254[16:35:50] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: this is what I found and seems sane
• 3255[16:35:50] <rozie> answer yes/no is not valid for "or" type of question
• 3256[16:35:50] <rysiek|pl> replaced-url
• 3257[16:35:55] <rozie> ;)
• 3258[16:35:56] <rysiek|pl> aaargh
• 3259[16:35:59] <rysiek|pl> rozie, partitions
• 3260[16:36:06] <rysiek|pl> md0: sda1, sdb1
• 3261[16:36:09] <rysiek|pl> md1: sda2, sdb2
• 3262[16:36:14] <rysiek|pl> md2: sda3, sdb3
• 3263[16:36:40] <rysiek|pl> I want to shring md2/sda3/sdb3/ and create an md3/sda4/sdb4/ after it
• 3264[16:36:44] <rysiek|pl> *shrink
• 3265[16:36:46] <rysiek|pl> damn it
• 3266[16:36:49] <frostschutz> rysiek|pl, yes, but also needs mdadm --grow to set the new (lower) size
• 3267[16:37:10] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: line 7 right there
• 3268[16:37:15] <rysiek|pl> in the paste
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• 3270[16:37:38] <frostschutz> that's growing to a larger size, you need step 0 shrinking to smaller size or it will refuse the too small partition
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• 3273[16:38:09] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: right, makes sense
• 3274[16:38:16] <frostschutz> so 1. resize2fs, 2. mdadm grow, 3.. fail, remove, parted, add, ...4 whatever
• 3275[16:38:27] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: okay
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• 3277[16:38:52] <frostschutz> and be careful you don't shrink the md below filesystem size, unfortunately it's hard to specify the correct size with mdadm, I don't think it considers metadata
• 3278[16:38:56] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: yeah, that makes perfect sense, thanks
• 3279[16:39:06] <JeanLouis> I am by mistake here, I go back to#guix
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• 3282[16:39:49] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: that's doable: resize2fs /dev/md2 1710G; mdadm --grow /dev/md2 --size [1730*1024*1024]
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• 3284[16:40:08] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: then I can do at the very end; resize2fs /dev/md2
• 3285[16:40:23] <rysiek|pl> that should grow the filesystem up to the available space
• 3286[16:40:32] <frostschutz> not --size 1730G ?
• 3287[16:40:32] <rysiek|pl> I'm giving myself 20GiB margin there
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• 3289[16:40:54] <rozie> I don't think you will be able to do Restore the drive to the RAID mdadm -a /dev/md0 /dev/sda1
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• 3292[16:41:05] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: that's why another resize2fs at the end
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• 3294[16:41:24] <rysiek|pl> that would be line 8 in my paste, if I hadn't failed to paste it ;)
• 3295[16:41:31] <rozie> because you will try to add smaller device to raid, than existing one
• 3296[16:41:32] <rysiek|pl> rozie: ?
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• 3298[16:42:12] <rozie> remember that mdadm does not know anything about data on the device
• 3299[16:42:24] <rysiek|pl> rozie: I know
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• 3302[16:42:51] <rozie> so it should refuse to add to raid device smaller than currently existing one
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• 3304[16:43:26] <frostschutz> rysiek|pl, it should work fine
• 3305[16:43:35] <rysiek|pl> rozie: that's what frostschutz said, and yes, I'd include the mdadm --grow /dev/md2 --size 1814036480 right after the first resize2fs
• 3306[16:43:46] <rysiek|pl> so my question is
• 3307[16:43:58] <rysiek|pl> since I have 2 other md arrays set-up with partitions on that disk
• 3308[16:44:38] <rysiek|pl> and since I'm going to modify the partition table on both drives (shrinking the actual partitions going into md2, and adding n ew partitionat the end to go into a brand new md3)
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• 3310[16:44:50] <rysiek|pl> should I remove all the partitions from all the arrays?
• 3311[16:45:27] <frostschutz> only the partition you're actually changing
• 3312[16:45:33] <rysiek|pl> good
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• 3315[16:45:56] <frostschutz> well, the kernel might refuse to reread partition table while the disk is in use
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• 3317[16:46:05] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: mhm
• 3318[16:46:22] <rysiek|pl> I mean, it's not a problem for me to remove partitions from other arrays
• 3319[16:46:23] <frostschutz> but you can map it with loop device or device mapper until you reboot
• 3320[16:46:32] <frostschutz> or just reboot if that's not a problem
• 3321[16:46:44] <rysiek|pl> but reboot at which stage
• 3322[16:47:05] <rozie> I'd just copy data from resized raid to the other ones, if possible
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• 3324[16:47:17] <frostschutz> after the partition table change
• 3325[16:47:21] <rysiek|pl> rozie: I have backups
• 3326[16:47:23] <rozie> then delete resized raid and create new one
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• 3328[16:48:16] <rozie> if you have backups, than you can live with degraded raid for a while
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• 3331[16:48:45] <frostschutz> rozie, well, that works too... kick out entire disk, repartition / format / create raid on it any way you like, copy everything over, once system is running from the new disk and copy is verified, kill the original disk and add it to the new disk raids etc. that's what you do for even more radical changes to your storage setup
• 3332[16:48:46] <rozie> resize2fs, degrade raid, shrink existing partition
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• 3334[16:49:15] <rozie> delete not shrinked one, create new one in it's place, sync raid
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• 3337[16:49:21] <frostschutz> but you have no redundancy whatsoever while you're copying and whatnot
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• 3339[16:49:36] <rysiek|pl> okay, this calls for a bit different tool, then :)
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• 3341[16:49:41] <rysiek|pl> here's what I've got so far:
• 3342[16:49:41] <rysiek|pl> replaced-url
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• 3344[16:50:17] <rysiek|pl> frostschutz: but the filesystem has to be shrunk first anyway
• 3345[16:50:33] <rysiek|pl> rozie: this all is happening on a rescue system
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• 3348[16:50:56] <rysiek|pl> rozie: so the hard drive is not being used, at all, apart from resize, fsck, and all that jazz
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• 3351[16:52:50] <rysiek|pl> what is not entirely clear for me is:
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• 3353[16:53:04] <rysiek|pl> when should I do the partitioning, including creating a new partition at the end
• 3354[16:53:20] <rysiek|pl> when should I do the reboot, as frostschutz suggested
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• 3358[16:54:07] <rozie> bbl
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• 3392[17:05:45] <thurstylark> How do I get a file list on packages.debian.org?
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• 3400[17:07:15] <grawity> a file list of what exactly?
• 3401[17:07:17] <mtn> thurstylark: all 30,000 of them?
• 3402[17:07:21] <grawity> of the packages?
• 3403[17:07:24] <grawity> of files within a package?
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• 3405[17:07:40] <thurstylark> A file list of the contents of a package.
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• 3407[17:07:49] <grawity> apt-file update; apt-file list <foo>
• 3408[17:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1690
• 3409[17:08:15] <grawity> or, in the web page, look for filelist links in the architecture list
• 3410[17:08:40] <ReikokuKo> What files/libraries are necessary in a chroot jail to do DNS resolution?
• 3411[17:08:42] <thurstylark> Thanks
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• 3413[17:09:09] <rysiek|pl> thurstylark: or search for a package on packages.debian.org and click the "list of files", for instance: replaced-url
• 3414[17:09:41] <thurstylark> rysiek|pl: That was what I was looking for. Expected it to be more visible. Thanks
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• 3416[17:09:48] <grawity> ReikokuKo: probably /lib/libnss_dns.so*
• 3417[17:09:55] <rysiek|pl> thurstylark: my pleasure :)
• 3418[17:10:27] <ReikokuKo> Is it concerning that that doesn't exist?
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• 3420[17:10:34] <ReikokuKo> Outside the jail I mean.
• 3421[17:10:57] <ReikokuKo> There is /lib/libnss_mdns.so.2
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• 3428[17:12:47] <ReikokuKo> Weird thing is dig, nslookup and host commands work.
• 3429[17:12:57] <ReikokuKo> But pinging or using wget on FQDNs does not work.
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• 3450[17:24:55] <jelly> grawity: mdns isn't dns, tho
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• 3452[17:25:08] <rollitup> I'm trying to install clementine but I get an error that says Errors were encountered while processing
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• 3454[17:25:22] <ReikokuKo> jelly: Yeah, I figured.
• 3455[17:25:24] <rollitup> Installing it via the deb provided on the clementine website
• 3456[17:25:27] <grawity> jelly: well I wasn't talking about mDNS
• 3457[17:25:39] <grawity> ReikokuKo: right, so that's exactly why they don't work
• 3458[17:25:40] <jelly> ReikokuKo: grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf inside the chroot, and figure out which nss modules you actually need
• 3459[17:25:52] <grawity> ReikokuKo: they go through glibc which requires the libnss_dns module
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• 3461[17:25:59] <jelly> rollitup: which debian release are you using?
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• 3463[17:26:18] <rollitup> jessie
• 3464[17:26:23] <sda13> Hello. Anybody here using Debian with EFIStub/Systemd-boot? I dislike grub
• 3465[17:26:37] <TomTomTosch> rollitup, clementine is packaged for debian. you should use the one in the repo.
• 3466[17:26:40] <jelly> rollitup: ok, please pastebin your installation command line and the full output
• 3467[17:26:52] <jelly> TomTomTosch: the upstream build has some more features
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• 3472[17:27:36] <rollitup> ok
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• 3477[17:28:57] <jelly> s/features/kittens/
• 3478[17:29:04] <wuji> who
• 3479[17:29:04] <jelly> (really)
• 3480[17:29:11] <TomTomTosch> jelly, does it? it's both 1.2.3 as far as i can see.
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• 3482[17:29:37] <rollitup> jelly, here's the output pastie replaced-url
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• 3490[17:30:28] <jelly> rollitup: this is expected. after "dpkg -i ....deb" fails, run "apt-get -f install"
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• 3492[17:30:41] <rollitup> ok
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• 3494[17:31:16] <jelly> if you don't strictly require kittens or hypnotoad, consider using the build from debian instead
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• 3506[17:32:52] <Mitzelflick> its interesting, vpnc rewrites resolv.conf with domain newdom but search olddom
• 3507[17:32:56] <Mitzelflick> weirdd
• 3508[17:33:07] <Mitzelflick> nothing in config file about search
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• 3513[17:33:31] <TomTomTosch> jelly, oh, you were being literal.
• 3514[17:33:46] <jelly> of course
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• 3523[17:36:20] <Zambezi> Going to backup maildir-folder and it's like 950 folders witch means 950x2 empty foders. And logfiles on that. Filesystem on a USB-memory? And blocksize?
• 3524[17:36:21] <rollitup> jelly, still getting the same error even replaced-url
• 3525[17:36:35] <rollitup> the thing is that I see Clementine in the application menu but it won't work
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• 3527[17:37:51] <jelly> rollitup: okay, you did the dpkg -i... again. What happens when you run "apt-get -f install" after that?
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• 3532[17:38:51] <rollitup> replaced-url
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• 3535[17:39:40] <jelly> rollitup: that doesn't follow. Did you do anything else between "sudo dpkg -i clementine_1.2.3.jessie_i386.deb" and "
• 3536[17:39:40] <jelly> 2
• 3537[17:39:40] <jelly> 3
• 3538[17:39:41] <jelly> 4
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• 3541[17:39:50] <Mitzelflick> in resolv.conf, how do I tell it to check all DNS servers before giving up?
• 3542[17:39:57] <jelly> 7
• 3543[17:39:58] <jelly> 8
• 3544[17:39:59] <jelly> 9
• 3545[17:40:00] <jelly> apt-get -f install" ?
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• 3547[17:40:05] <rollitup> jelly thats the wrong output here's the right one replaced-url
• 3548[17:40:07] <jelly> rollitup: that doesn't follow. Did you do anything else between "sudo dpkg -i clementine_1.2.3.jessie_i386.deb" and "apt-get -f install" ?
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• 3551[17:40:51] <jelly> rollitup: weird. What does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
• 3552[17:41:11] <rollitup> i386
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• 3554[17:42:00] <jelly> rollitup: not sure why apt-get can't satisfy the dependencies, what if you do dpkg -i ... and "aptitude -f install" after that?
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• 3556[17:42:12] <jelly> rollitup: or just install clementine from the distro.
• 3557[17:42:30] <rollitup> I even tried that let me show you the output i get
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• 3559[17:43:26] <rollitup> jelly, here's the out put I get when I tried to install through the distro replaced-url
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• 3568[17:46:16] <Mathuin> I have a Debian system that I log into. The window manager is i3. I would like to put something in my startup script that sets my GOPATH. Unfortunately, .bashrc and .profile are not run when I log in. What files are executed when users log in? I only want to make the change for my user, so it has to be files in the user's home directory. Thank you in advance, and I'll watch for pings! :-)
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• 3570[17:47:03] <grawity> Mathuin: *how* do you log in?
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• 3573[17:47:10] <grawity> console+startx? gdm? lightdm? xdm?
• 3574[17:47:19] <jelly> rollitup: good. now pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy clementine libqt4-opengl" and "apt-cache policy"
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• 3577[17:47:45] <Mathuin> grawity: when I sit down in front of the computer, there's a username and password window. In the upper right is a window manager selector thing -- I could pick GNOME or other stuff, but I set it to i3.
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• 3579[17:47:57] <Mathuin> is there a way after logging in that I can answer the gdm/lightdm/xdm question?
• 3580[17:48:15] <grawity> check `ps -ef` / `pstree`, or maybe `systemctl status display-manager`
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• 3582[17:48:31] <Mathuin> Looks like lightdm
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• 3589[17:51:29] <rollitup> jelly, the output for apt-cache policy replaced-url
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• 3602[17:55:06] <jelly> rollitup: um, dude, those are two different commands to run :-)
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• 3605[17:55:28] <rollitup> damn ;P
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• 3607[17:55:45] <Mathuin> grawity: replaced-url
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• 3609[17:55:58] <grawity> Mathuin: no
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• 3611[17:56:24] <grawity> you're not logging in through your shell
• 3612[17:56:26] <Mathuin> Okay. That page said that .profile would be called if .bash_profile wasn't called, and my .profile wasn't being called, but I didn't know if the page was out of date.
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• 3615[17:56:56] <grawity> hmm, in other distros, lightdm would go through /etc/lightdm/Xsession, which would *manually* source ~/.profile
• 3616[17:56:56] <rollitup> jelly, the output for apt-cache policy clementine libqt4-opengl replaced-url
• 3617[17:57:03] <grawity> but in Debian's package I can't find the same
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• 3620[17:57:09] <Mathuin> I wonder if that's why it works that way on my Ubuntu system at home.
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• 3622[17:57:19] <izzi> sorry dewds, but is wheezy still getting security updates?
• 3623[17:57:26] <Mathuin> Further down the page, there's a mention of .xsession as an option.
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• 3626[17:58:11] <rollitup> and the out put for apt-cache policy replaced-url
• 3627[17:58:55] <TomTomTosch> izzi, yes, but it will go into LTS on 26th of April 2016
• 3628[17:59:42] <towo`> rollitup, your system is a fucked up frankendebian
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• 3631[17:59:53] <Mathuin> replaced-url
• 3632[17:59:56] <towo`> rollitup, with no support
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• 3634[18:00:11] <rollitup> coz i installed apps from Kxstudio ?
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• 3636[18:00:33] <izzi> TomTomTosch: thanks because there is again a openssl warning
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• 3638[18:01:09] <wewlad> hello debs, how to make ctrl+w in bash treat each folder in the file path as a separate word?
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• 3640[18:01:35] <TomTomTosch> izzi, which CVE? it has prob been fixed.
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• 3644[18:02:42] <wewlad> so that if I have typed 'cat /var/replaced-url
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• 3666[18:12:32] <Mathuin> grawity: okay, it looks like the best idea I've found is to actually modify my i3 configuration to exec the startup script.
• 3667[18:13:05] <grawity> wewlad: in bash, alt+backspace does that by default
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• 3670[18:14:07] <Mitzelflick> curious about resolv.conf if I put search mydomain.com in there then server1 resolves, but server1.mydomain.com does not, isn't the second case supposed to work?
• 3671[18:14:17] <Mitzelflick> am I missing some switch to tell it?
• 3672[18:14:18] <grawity> wewlad: you can bind Ctrl+W to the same using '"\C-w": backward-kill-word' in your inputrc
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• 3676[18:16:32] <DebTest6> hello
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• 3681[18:19:45] <Mathuin> grawity: nope, didn't work. Looks like .bashrc gets called in some cases but not others, and .profile isn't ever being called. So frustrating that something simple is so inconsistent across distributions. Oh well.
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• 3704[18:26:31] <relaxed> Mathuin: /etc/profile
• 3705[18:26:43] <Mathuin> The original request was for user files not system-wide changes.
• 3706[18:26:55] <Mathuin> Otherwise I'd have hammered it in there. :-)
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• 3708[18:29:07] <DebTest6> hello, someone can help me with bind ?
• 3709[18:29:15] <SPF> !ask
• 3710[18:29:15] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3713[18:29:35] <DebTest6> trying just to setup a super simple one forwarding it everything to opendns servers
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• 3717[18:31:21] <relaxed> Mathuin: looks like it's ~/.xsessionrc
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• 3721[18:32:36] <DebTest6> this is my Bind configuration, any idea why it refuses me the queries? replaced-url
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• 3726[18:33:31] <Mathuin> relaxed: Tried it, doesn't work, I think it's because the default session doesn't call Xsession or friends, just "lightdm-session".
• 3727[18:33:38] <Mathuin> Which I can't find under /etc or /usr
• 3728[18:33:44] <DebTest6> this is my reply replaced-url
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• 3731[18:36:06] <wewlad> thx grawity
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• 3745[18:43:50] <ZodoTurtle> I'm having quality problems with avconv in Debian 8 that I didn't have with ffmpeg in Debian 7.
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• 3747[18:44:28] <ZodoTurtle> Using the same command, replacing ffmpeg with avconv.
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• 3757[18:48:33] <wewlad> grawity: replaced-url
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• 3759[18:48:49] <grawity> yes
• 3760[18:48:59] <grawity> well that post is partly wrong
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• 3763[18:49:11] <grawity> bash itself disables 'werase' while the prompt is displayed
• 3764[18:49:12] <wewlad> why?
• 3765[18:49:19] <grawity> so just the inputrc bind should suffice
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• 3772[18:50:16] <wewlad> grawity: sorry, I'm a total newb, I didn't find .inputrc in the home dir and the `stty werase undef && bind '"\C-w": backward-kill-word'` thing worked just fine
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• 3774[18:50:31] <wewlad> however, I'm not sure it will persist after a restart
• 3775[18:50:40] <grawity> there's *a lot* of files you won't find in the homedir unless you create them by hand
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• 3777[18:51:30] <wewlad> so should I be worried about the `stty werase undef && bind '"\C-w": backward-kill-word'` I executed or is it fine if it worked?
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• 3784[18:53:19] <grawity> hrmm, testing it again, it seems bash does honor the werase setting instead of overwriting it
• 3785[18:53:25] <grawity> so anyway, put those two commands in your ~/.bashrc then
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• 3788[18:53:34] <grawity> or even better
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• 3790[18:53:40] <grawity> do what the 2nd post says instead
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• 3793[18:54:59] <wewlad> thanks, grawity
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• 3820[19:04:50] <mi11k1> whats wrong with google chrome DL?
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• 3823[19:05:41] <jelly> mi11k1: they removed support for 32-bit builds recently
• 3824[19:05:57] <mi11k1> jelly, really? haha
• 3825[19:06:24] <jelly> you should have gotten a very visible warning about it if you started chrome.
• 3826[19:06:30] <mi11k1> I did
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• 3828[19:06:41] <mi11k1> but i clicked the link and didnt give me ant info
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• 3832[19:07:38] <jelly> I remember it pointing to a page that described the situation.
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• 3834[19:07:53] <jelly> in any case, only amd64 builds are available now.
• 3835[19:08:03] <mi11k1> im surprised theres no info on the broken link
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• 3838[19:08:12] <mi11k1> you just get 404
• 3839[19:08:34] <lockdown> what reasons do you use chrome over chromium, flash and pdfs?
• 3840[19:08:48] <mi11k1> no , i use both actually
• 3841[19:08:51] <jelly> lockdown: there's no 32bit flash for chromium either.
• 3842[19:08:52] <mi11k1> no preference
• 3843[19:09:09] <jelly> any more.
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• 3845[19:09:56] <lockdown> I ask because chromium in stable is kept up to date with upstream versions
• 3846[19:09:58] <jelly> mi11k1: if your hardware is 64bit capable you have choices
• 3847[19:10:03] <mi11k1> how can i build a database of my harddrive to execute fast searches?
• 3848[19:10:14] <dedgecumbe> mi11k1: mlocate
• 3849[19:10:15] <mi11k1> i have 64 and 32
• 3850[19:10:27] <mi11k1> ill just use iceweasel or chromium
• 3851[19:10:36] <mi11k1> dedgecumbe, thanks
• 3852[19:10:52] <jelly> mi11k1: sure, just don't use pepper flash.
• 3853[19:10:53] <dedgecumbe> mi11k1: i am not a debian user, not sure if debian has it as base install
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• 3855[19:11:13] <dedgecumbe> (or rather, I use debian, it's just not on the machine I am typing from right now to check)
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• 3857[19:11:15] <mi11k1> dedgecumbe, yah, its in there
• 3858[19:11:37] <mi11k1> dedgecumbe, in non-free i think
• 3859[19:11:50] <lockdown> dedgecumbe: for what you use debian?
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• 3861[19:12:11] <dedgecumbe> mi11k1: there may be another variant; it's just an implementation of locate/updatedb and the one that works well for me
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• 3875[19:15:47] <jelly> ,v mlocate
• 3876[19:15:48] <judd> Package: mlocate on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.22.2-1; wheezy: 0.23.1-1; sid: 0.26-1; jessie: 0.26-1; stretch: 0.26-1
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• 3878[19:16:03] <Linnak> Hi, if I install another DE on my system does is cause problem or I can choose between them no problem at all
• 3879[19:16:08] <jelly> mi11k1: ^^ that's in main
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• 3881[19:16:32] <mtn> Linnak: usually no problem
• 3882[19:16:39] <Linnak> thanks
• 3883[19:16:45] <mi11k1> im just playing with it now
• 3884[19:16:51] <jelly> Linnak: you can choose which DE to start on the login screen (shown by the "display manager" component)
• 3885[19:17:14] <Linnak> jelly, Yes, that's what I thought
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• 3894[19:19:27] <Twirl> hey anyone using nemo?
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• 3914[19:28:35] <Mathuin> Twirl: I started using nemo just because of the split-pane feature which was removed from files for some reason.
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• 3916[19:29:04] <Walakea> what is wayland? is it supposed to replace X in future?
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• 3919[19:29:58] <dontknow> Walakea, i only know it is going to replace x
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• 3927[19:35:10] <dontknow> wayland is a display server protocol (from wikipedia :p
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• 3929[19:36:04] <jelly> !wayland
• 3930[19:36:04] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
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• 3934[19:36:20] <Mathuin> What is 'tech-ctte'? Is it a mailing list? or something else?
• 3935[19:36:29] <no_gravity> Is ffmpeg in the debian repos these days?
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• 3937[19:36:45] <jelly> no_gravity: yes.
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• 3939[19:37:01] <somiaj> is it in jessie-backports? It won't be in the offical jessie release
• 3940[19:37:08] <jelly> no_gravity: not all of them, tho. /msg judd v ffmpeg
• 3941[19:37:16] <dontknow> jelly, dpkg knows too much
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• 3943[19:37:45] <jelly> dontknow: it knows too little.
• 3944[19:38:05] <jelly> we still need human volunteers to help people
• 3945[19:38:15] <dontknow> it only knows the only thing it knows knows nothing
• 3946[19:38:16] <Mathuin> Ah! It's the Debian Technical Committee.
• 3947[19:39:13] <dontknow> some day it will replace primitive humans
• 3948[19:39:35] <dontknow> like markybob
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• 4001[20:00:13] <MarconM> Hi, i am intalling packges from a file using xargs -a install.log sudo apt-get install -y
• 4002[20:00:20] <MarconM> but has some packeges that do not exist, how i ignore or skip then ?
• 4003[20:01:01] <jelly> MarconM: why not filter them out first.
• 4004[20:01:24] <jelly> apt-cache show packagename can tell you whether something's available
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• 4006[20:01:38] <jelly> or apt-cache policy packagename
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• 4019[20:07:01] <TheWarden> Hello, so for some time now I've been trying to install NVIDIA drives on Debian Jessie.
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• 4025[20:08:04] <TheWarden> According to replaced-url
• 4026[20:08:44] <jelly> ,v nvidia-driver
• 4027[20:08:45] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-4; sid/non-free: 352.79-5; experimental/non-free: 355.11-2
• 4028[20:08:49] <unborn> :)
• 4029[20:09:04] <TheWarden> However when I install the nvidia-driver package my xorg no longer loads. I end up receving "mobprobe fatal modual nvidia-current not found".
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• 4032[20:09:31] <jelly> TheWarden: I suspect someone's made a mess of the wiki page, AGAIN
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• 4034[20:09:34] <TheWarden> I've done some searching online but I've yet to find a solution.
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• 4036[20:09:45] <jelly> TheWarden: try to follow this recipe, precisely
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• 4038[20:09:50] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
• 4039[20:09:51] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
• 4040[20:09:56] <TheWarden> jelly: I have no idea...
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• 4043[20:10:32] <jelly> run the horribly long oneliner between « »
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• 4050[20:13:03] <TheWarden> jelly: oh alright, I was thinking of doing that but wasn't sure if that was the best solution. I'm curious how come aptitude, why not apt-get?
• 4051[20:13:46] <greycat> Some people use one, some use the other.
• 4052[20:14:12] * greycat doesn't even have "man aptitude", apparently, so he can't even look up what -r is
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• 4056[20:16:01] <TheWarden> jelly: also if I want to revert back, how would I do that? Just replace install with purge or remove?
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• 4059[20:16:25] <somiaj> TheWarden: there are places where the logic of apt-get and aptitude may be able to deal with certain situations (espically dist-upgrades) easier. Also apt-get is usually faster though aptitude is usually smarter.
• 4060[20:16:27] <TheWarden> jelly: oh as well so, you are not suggesting to use nvidia-xconfig to generate the xorg configuration file?
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• 4062[20:16:47] <TheWarden> somiaj: ahh okay, thanks.
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• 4068[20:17:24] <TheWarden> I'm more than willing to give this a go, just want to know before I begin how to revert back again in case something goes wrong or I just want to.
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• 4075[20:20:46] <jelly> TheWarden: it's not necessary to have a complete xorg.conf in place just to get the driver working. (But it may be useful for other purposes.)
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• 4077[20:21:22] <TheWarden> somiaj: ahh I see okay, thanks for the explanation.
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• 4079[20:21:31] <TheWarden> greycat: thanks
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• 4081[20:21:46] <TheWarden> jelly: okay. So as for removal/reverting back?
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• 4088[20:24:39] <jelly> TheWarden: delete the file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and remove or purge all the packages
• 4089[20:25:18] <jelly> TheWarden: eg. aptitude purge '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)'
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• 4097[20:26:37] <jelly> you can also switch back and forth from nouveau to nvidia blob with relative ease without removing or reinstalling the lot
• 4098[20:26:56] <TheWarden> jelly: Ahh okay. Woah what really, how can I do that?
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• 4100[20:27:20] <jelly> I don't have a ready-made recipe
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• 4107[20:29:02] <jelly> it involves "update-alternatives --config glx" and un/blacklisting the nouveau kernel module and re/adding that xorg.conf snippet
• 4108[20:29:05] <TheWarden> jelly: oh that's okay, just thought I would ask. I've never knew that was even possible.
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• 4111[20:31:08] <TheWarden> jelly: thanks so much for the help yet again :-).
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• 4118[20:32:43] <TheWarden> here goes nothing :-), all goes well I'll be back on here shortly.
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• 4120[20:33:06] <jelly> !famous last words
• 4121[20:33:06] <dpkg> <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh
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• 4163[20:44:18] <baum> how big are the chances that a system breaks while switching from stable to testing?
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• 4167[20:44:55] <ro> big enough that if this is a problem you probably shouldn't
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• 4170[20:45:16] <markybob> baum: it's pretty reasonable to assume something will break. vlc is currently fucked. so's network-manager.
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• 4172[20:47:09] <baum> hmmm i see thanks. another question: why isn't there jessie-backports?
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• 4174[20:47:37] <TomTomTosch> baum, there is, just not for every package.
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• 4176[20:48:05] <baum> oh, i see thanks
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• 4242[21:16:56] <klow> General question - I'm working on a project that involves a prepared debian filesystem with many services already configured etc. I need to "image" PC computers with the prepared filesystem. I know I can use for example clonezilla to do this over PXE, but my image is going to be evolving all the time, so making an ext4 filesystem etc is going to be impractical . I think what I would like to do is clone a chroot system that I can make edits to .. anyone know ho
• 4243[21:16:56] <klow> w I can accomplish this?
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• 4259[21:25:01] <GJdan> well this is annoying... can't upgrade on this one server... Errors were encountered while processing: iotop python-configparser
• 4260[21:25:04] <GJdan> happens every time
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• 4266[21:27:39] <TomTomTosch> markybob, crazy wins i guess, ff is in sid :3
• 4267[21:27:40] <EntropyWorks2> klow: not sure how I'd go about doing that. I've only done some minor chroot stuff trying to build a LiveCD/DVD with similar goals.
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• 4271[21:29:51] <jmcnaught> klow: i'm not sure if i understand your problem. you want a way to clone a system to other hosts so they all have the same configuration?
• 4272[21:30:41] <klow> yes, so they all have the same starting point. going to be testing an "appliance" essentially, that has a pre-configured stack of applications .
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• 4275[21:31:19] <klow> but the configuration is going to be changing rapidly as i test and tweak , so i need to be able to "re-image" the PCs quickly from the master image/filesystem
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• 4277[21:32:14] <TomTomTosch> GJdan, what debian version are you on and what does 'python --version' show?
• 4278[21:32:25] <jmcnaught> klow: for this i think it would be better to make an automated recipe for making a new instance/server, instead of cloning a manually configured master image
• 4279[21:32:28] <EntropyWorks2> klow: would a straight up PXE install of a base install of Debian work? The use a tool like SaltStack, Ansible, Puppet, Chef then finish the config?
• 4280[21:32:49] <jmcnaught> klow: i was leading to EntropyWorks2's point :)
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• 4282[21:33:46] <jmcnaught> klow: with this approach you can keep the recipe (puppet manifests, ansible playbooks etc) in a VCS like git or svn
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• 4285[21:35:41] <GJdan> TomTomTosch: python 3.2.3 Squeeze
• 4286[21:35:42] <EntropyWorks2> klow: another way would be to have a thinner Debian install, Docker, then Kubernetes maybe. The things your rapidly working on would then be in Docker containers. (the uber binary in some ways).
• 4287[21:35:44] <GJdan> it's an old server
• 4288[21:35:51] <GJdan> derp
• 4289[21:35:52] <GJdan> no
• 4290[21:35:55] <GJdan> it's wheezy
• 4291[21:35:58] <GJdan> not sure why it's using 3.2
• 4292[21:36:00] <TomTomTosch> GJdan, that sounds very wrong.
• 4293[21:36:17] <GJdan> python 3.2.3 wheezy
• 4294[21:36:25] <TomTomTosch> GJdan, i'm not on wheezy but 3.2 should not be the default python version.
• 4295[21:36:32] <klow> Yes was thinking about Docker. I am keen to learn it anyways ..
• 4296[21:36:37] <klow> OK thanks for the ideas guys. I appreciate it
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• 4298[21:37:15] <GJdan> hm
• 4299[21:37:23] <GJdan> searching packages I don't see anything else
• 4300[21:37:23] <greycat> I have a wheezy box where python --version prints Python 2.7.3
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• 4303[21:37:35] <GJdan> I this is an old AWS server. Might be using weird aws mirrors
• 4304[21:38:00] <greycat> GJdan: what does this print: ls -ld /usr/bin/python
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• 4306[21:39:53] <GJdan> here's some random stuff... replaced-url
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• 4309[21:40:45] <GJdan> greycat: hmmmm somehow I don't think this is right... lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Feb 16 2015 /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python
• 4310[21:41:18] <greycat> That is not right for wheezy, or at least it's not what mine has.
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• 4313[21:41:29] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 28 2013 /usr/bin/python -> python2.7
• 4314[21:41:30] <greycat> ls: cannot access /etc/alternatives/python: No such file or directory
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• 4316[21:42:08] <GJdan> maybe this server just needs destroyed and rebuilt properly >.>
• 4317[21:42:14] <TomTomTosch> well, try reinstalling the python package :3
• 4318[21:42:32] <TomTomTosch> the system needs python 2.7
• 4319[21:43:09] <greycat> if python2.7 exists and seems usable, it *might* be sufficient just to re-point the /usr/bin/python symlink
• 4320[21:43:16] <EntropyWorks2> not using a python virtualenv right, and might want to check "whereis python" and "which python"
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• 4323[21:43:55] <GJdan> oh wait, I think I get it
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• 4325[21:44:04] <GJdan> yup
• 4326[21:44:14] <GJdan> okay, someone setup the alternatives thing, but that really shouldn't be there
• 4327[21:44:34] <GJdan> the default version on wheezy is 2.7, but /usr/bin/python was pointing at python 3.2
• 4328[21:44:58] <GJdan> thanks guys xD
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• 4330[21:45:11] <jmcnaught> it's interesting that it's set up with alternatives, on my wheezy ther are no alternatives for python
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• 4332[21:45:30] <greycat> yeah, that's a bit alarming
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• 4335[21:45:53] <TomTomTosch> someone as too much access rights :P
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• 4339[21:47:21] <GJdan> running into that a lot lately >.>
• 4340[21:47:24] <TomTomTosch> or maybe installed a non debian package?
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• 4346[21:49:40] <TomTomTosch> or some funky make install put it there.
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• 4348[21:50:17] <greycat> if he did a local build of python with --prefix=/usr then things are probably very broken
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• 4360[21:55:32] <lenswipe> hey guys
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• 4363[21:55:38] <lenswipe> got a debian box here with the HDD light on solid all the time
• 4364[21:55:43] <lenswipe> even when nobody is logged in
• 4365[21:56:05] <greycat> Is the light malfunctioning, or is there actually disk activity?
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• 4368[21:56:18] <lenswipe> greycat, the light was working perfectly until yesterday
• 4369[21:56:18] <EntropyWorks2> how about swap space?
• 4370[21:56:25] <lenswipe> EntropyWorks2, no idea - how do i check?
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• 4373[21:56:32] <greycat> start with 'top'
• 4374[21:56:34] <lenswipe> all of this happened when i started up today
• 4375[21:56:50] <EntropyWorks2> lenswipe: "free"
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• 4381[21:57:42] <lenswipe> greycat, replaced-url
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• 4383[21:58:03] <lenswipe> EntropyWorks2, replaced-url
• 4384[21:58:06] <greycat> You snipped the top part.
• 4385[21:58:21] <lenswipe> point being?
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• 4388[21:58:35] <greycat> The top part has all the handy useful summary info that you should have been looking at.
• 4389[21:58:37] <lenswipe> oh right
• 4390[21:58:38] <lenswipe> sec
• 4391[21:58:47] <EntropyWorks2> no swap in use
• 4392[21:58:54] <lenswipe> ikr
• 4393[21:59:21] <lenswipe> greycat, you mean this? replaced-url
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• 4395[21:59:31] <lenswipe> (the 3 users are me btw)
• 4396[21:59:40] <lenswipe> well two are...not sure who the third is - it just shows me if i run "w"
• 4397[21:59:50] <greycat> Yeah, I'm not seeing any thrashing or similar high-use indicators here.
• 4398[22:00:08] <lenswipe> the gfx card sounds to be going nuts as well
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• 4400[22:00:22] <greycat> And 0.0 wa seems to indicate virtually no I/O activity.
• 4401[22:00:40] <lenswipe> yeah
• 4402[22:00:53] <lenswipe> oh shi
• 4403[22:00:55] <lenswipe> i just logged in
• 4404[22:01:03] <lenswipe> "The filesystem root has only 360MB remaining"
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• 4408[22:03:45] <lenswipe> 709MB apparently
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• 4417[22:06:54] <EntropyWorks2> if you have lsof installed. 'lsof | grep -e "[[:digit:]]\+w"' should give a list of files open for writing.
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• 4420[22:07:59] <greycat> grep -E '[[:digit:]]+w'
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• 4422[22:08:07] <greycat> but in any case, that's a rather huge list
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• 4425[22:08:51] <EntropyWorks2> if I remove the
• 4426[22:09:00] <EntropyWorks2> the \ i get nothing...
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• 4431[22:11:02] <EntropyWorks2> lsof | grep -e "[[:digit:]]\+w" gets me around 54 items, some duplicates and pipes. but without the grep its more like +2000 lines to work over.
• 4432[22:11:14] <lenswipe> is there a way to count the items?
• 4433[22:11:24] <greycat> -e and -E are not the same thing.
• 4434[22:11:41] <EntropyWorks2> pipe to wc -l
• 4435[22:11:46] <EntropyWorks2> lsof | grep -e "[[:digit:]]\+w" | wc -l
• 4436[22:11:53] <greycat> grep -Ec '[[:digit:]]+w'
• 4437[22:12:20] * greycat tries in vain to educate people about how not to use stupid GNU grep extensions that aren't even saving you keystrokes
• 4438[22:12:23] <EntropyWorks2> ah, greycat, yes didn't notice the -E
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• 4444[22:12:45] <EntropyWorks2> :)
• 4445[22:12:47] <greycat> GNU grep has an extension that lets you write \+ in BRE mode instead of + in ERE mode
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• 4448[22:13:26] <greycat> Some people don't understand what any of this means, and they found some script that used GNU grep's \+ "feature" 15 years ago, and they simply copy it.
• 4449[22:13:31] <EntropyWorks2> just showing my age i. now where is my cane.
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• 4454[22:14:06] <lenswipe> lsof | grep -Ec '[[:digit:]]+w' got me "164"
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• 4457[22:14:46] <greycat> I get 1891 as myself, 2262 with sudo lsof
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• 4460[22:15:09] <lenswipe> what is robert/.local/share/tracker/data/tracker-store.journal ?
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• 4462[22:15:44] <greycat> About half of them go away if I grep -v google-chrome...
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• 4466[22:16:16] <EntropyWorks2> lsof | grep -E "[[:digit:]]+w" | awk '{ print $10}' | sort -u
• 4467[22:16:28] <lenswipe> greycat, this is with no apps running though
• 4468[22:16:30] <lenswipe> just bare debian shell
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• 4470[22:16:56] <lenswipe> so what is tracker-store.journal?
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• 4474[22:18:36] <alxtreme> anybody could help? got the following error all the time
• 4475[22:18:38] <alxtreme> Mar 11 22:07:47 Inspiron-7537 gnome-session[1405]: (gnome-shell:1545): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Kein passender Prozess gefunden. dconf will not work properly.
• 4476[22:18:58] <alxtreme> after nnew install of debian 8.3
• 4477[22:19:01] <lenswipe> EntropyWorks2, greycat i just did a cold boot of the machine - the HDD light comes on as soon as the machine starts - even on the BIOS
• 4478[22:19:13] <lenswipe> could be the HDD light is defective - although this hasn't shown up until now
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• 4488[22:21:31] <EntropyWorks2> honestly, I don't have a clue? maybe S.M.A.R.T check enabled doing something (Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology)
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• 4542[22:36:23] <lenswipe> greycat, EntropyWorks2 thanks for the help anyway
• 4543[22:36:27] <lenswipe> hopefully it will just work itself out
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• 4593[22:46:52] <Akuw> i have problems to print pdf files only
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• 4598[22:47:43] <jim> can you print from a pdf app?
• 4599[22:47:51] <Akuw> no
• 4600[22:47:56] <Akuw> i try using lp too
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• 4602[22:48:02] <Akuw> test page is ok
• 4603[22:48:11] <Akuw> libreoffice print ok
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• 4607[22:48:51] <jim> what happens when you try from the app (and, which app)
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• 4609[22:49:58] <Akuw> Okular, well printer never start printing
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• 4611[22:50:40] <jim> does it respond in any way?
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• 4613[22:51:26] <greycat> Which printing system is installed? Is a print job queued up at all? Is it still in the queue? Are there errors in the print-system logs?
• 4614[22:52:03] <Akuw> cups
• 4615[22:52:19] <Akuw> yes, i can see it in the queue
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• 4625[22:53:48] <KINgGh0sT> I cannot get PulseAudio to recognise my Analog Audio Connection it only seems to find SPDif and HDMI
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• 4630[22:54:44] <Akuw> ok, i just print a document from Impress
• 4631[22:54:53] <wewlad> replaced-url
• 4632[22:55:04] <wewlad> replaced-url
• 4633[22:55:07] <wewlad> window*
• 4634[22:55:35] <Akuw> when try to do same from Document Viewer or Okular printer print nothing
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• 4636[22:55:58] <Akuw> or print a document as tonner is very low
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• 4639[22:57:14] <Akuw> any idea ?
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• 4642[22:57:45] <Akuw> the strange is only happen with pdf files
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• 4647[22:58:15] <unborn> Akuw: yeah same happen to me
• 4648[22:58:26] <unborn> I use evince and works normally
• 4649[22:58:29] <Akuw> unborn: what printer do you have?
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• 4653[22:58:43] <unborn> dell monochromatic dn5530
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• 4658[22:59:04] <Akuw> i test on evince too
• 4659[22:59:06] <Akuw> :S
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• 4662[22:59:31] <unborn> Akuw: you can install adobe reader and check it on that..
• 4663[22:59:31] <Akuw> i am using HP LaserJet P1005
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• 4666[22:59:55] <unborn> fonts in pdf readers on linux are not very good supported..
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• 4669[23:01:01] <Akuw> hehehe, adobe don't have linux version
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• 4671[23:01:19] <Akuw> we doesn't exist :S
• 4672[23:01:20] <unborn> Akuw: they do :)
• 4673[23:01:26] <Akuw> where
• 4674[23:01:55] <unborn> they stopped to supported with latest version.. I think it was few days ago.. one moment i give you link
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• 4676[23:02:23] <TomTomTosch> not sure where this is going...
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• 4679[23:02:50] <unborn> Akuw: here you go replaced-url
• 4680[23:03:01] <TomTomTosch> ^ don't
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• 4685[23:03:21] <unborn> file is original.. I installed this file last night it works fine
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• 4692[23:04:53] <jmcnaught> i doubt that using adobe acrobat will solve the problem
• 4693[23:05:11] <unborn> Akuw: but as I said adobe stopped supporting linux as an os.. you can google it by your self..
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• 4695[23:05:25] <Akuw> me too
• 4696[23:05:32] <jmcnaught> Akuw: do you mean that the printer outputs blank pages, or nothing is printed as in the jobs never leave the queue?
• 4697[23:05:50] <daviid> hello! gir1.2* files seems to 'only' have *.typelib file. because I program in scheme, and because guile scheme has a powerfull sxml toolbox, i'd like to get the .gir files: such gir file packages exists on debian [testing]?
• 4698[23:06:14] <Akuw> actually using evince printer print almost nothing, i mean, you can't see image
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• 4701[23:06:36] <unborn> jmcnaught: olukar did print very poor quality of fonts on mine.. evince worked fine and acrobat as well.. I guess it depends from reader as well or system font rendering.. who knows
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• 4709[23:07:16] <jmcnaught> Akuw: how are you configuring your printer? through Gnome Settings printer dialog? replaced-url
• 4710[23:07:27] <Akuw> yes,
• 4711[23:07:34] <jmcnaught> yes to both?
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• 4713[23:07:41] <Akuw> can print any file, but no pdf
• 4714[23:07:54] <Akuw> i test both options
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• 4716[23:08:21] <jmcnaught> Akuw: and when you print pdf, jobs stay in queue, or blank pages get ejected from printer?
• 4717[23:08:48] <jmcnaught> Akuw: i'm confused because of your "toner is very low" comment earlier
• 4718[23:09:05] <Akuw> actually what i get is almost white, because the printed image is very very poor, dificult to see
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• 4721[23:09:28] <Akuw> hoo, i told because the output image is like when your tonner is death
• 4722[23:09:40] <unborn> so it is pdf reader :)
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• 4728[23:10:54] <jmcnaught> Akuw: and you've experimented with print options? have you tried a different PPD (if multiple are available for your model)?
• 4729[23:11:04] <TomTomTosch> Akuw, anything non pdf works fine you said?
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• 4731[23:11:15] <Akuw> yes
• 4732[23:11:26] <Akuw> TomTomTosch: yes
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• 4736[23:12:00] <Akuw> minutes ago i printed a test page ok
• 4737[23:12:17] <Akuw> but can't do with pdf
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• 4740[23:12:54] <daviid> how can have access to *.gir files instead of *.typelib files?
• 4741[23:13:15] <daviid> does debian has gnome *.gir packages?
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• 4743[23:13:45] <bazhang> what are those
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• 4746[23:14:03] <daviid> bazhang: they are xml files, not binaries
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• 4748[23:14:12] <daviid> replaced-url
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• 4751[23:14:34] <bazhang> any packages you know with that?
• 4752[23:14:59] <daviid> they are the result of g-ir-scanner
• 4753[23:15:32] <daviid> bazhang: that is my quiz
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• 4756[23:15:52] <bazhang> quiz?
• 4757[23:15:58] <daviid> is there any debian package providing gri xml meta data files and not typelib?
• 4758[23:16:07] <jmcnaught> daviid: "apt-file search .gir" shows several -dev packages containing files with .gir extension
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• 4760[23:17:13] <daviid> jmcnaught: looking, it seems I have apt but not apt-file? b right back have to run a nin
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• 4765[23:18:32] <Akuw> then, any idea?
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• 4767[23:18:36] <Akuw> come on
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• 4770[23:19:21] <jmcnaught> daviid: apt-file is not installed by default. for any gnome related library that has a package in debian, there is probably also a -dev package for it, probably containing a .gir
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• 4774[23:20:36] <jmcnaught> Akuw: i asked if you had experimented with print options, or tried using a different ppd/model in the CUPS config.
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• 4792[23:28:25] <daviid> jmcnaught: thank you. I know about the -dev packages, but I can not find any for any gir1.2-* packages, such as gir1.2-glib-2.0:amd64, the first I need the .gir corresponding . I'm now installing apt-file, apt-update ... let's see
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• 4811[23:33:19] <jmcnaught> daviid: hmmm.. you might find if you search around using apt-file. there's also #debian-gnome on irc.oftc.net
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• 4816[23:34:58] <daviid> jmcnaught: thanks, I'll talk with #debian-gnome
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• 4830[23:37:53] <daviid> jmcnaught: I found, the files are here: /usr/share/gir-1.0
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• 4839[23:40:28] <daviid> jmcnaught: I'd like to uninstall apt-file and the content of apt-update, how do I do that? sorry for basic questions... it takes a huge space and I now have my answer rt gir files
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• 4843[23:41:02] <daviid> if I aptitude purge apt-file, it will clean I guess ...
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• 4846[23:41:51] <jmcnaught> daviid: that should do it. you could look in /var/cache/apt/apt-file to make sure it's gone
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• 4852[23:42:43] <daviid> jmcnaught: thanks!
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• 4862[23:44:02] <daviid> by the way, all *.gir files comes with libgirepository1.0-dev which was installed already on my machine, I was jut looking for a gir1.2-glib*-dev, but all are in libgirepository1.0-dev :) all solved now,many thanks
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• 4873[23:47:52] <Kunda> where does debian keep it's hyphenation dictionaries by default ?
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• 4896[23:52:38] <Circuitsoft> Hello - i'm on Jessie, and my network interfaces are not getting renamed according to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net-interfaces.conf
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