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7 [00:06:24] <ryouma> there is a bug
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9 [00:07:36] <yanmaani> ryouma: ???
10 [00:07:38] <ryouma> in which my drive does not do trim. i use
the whole drive. at some point i might upgrade firmware but have
not. or i might ... reset the drive and then partition some percent
to not be used? or do i still have to use fstrim occasionally. in
any case performance is ok
11 [00:08:07] <ryouma> i know debian's kernel avoids my
firmware version or has some solution
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38 [01:00:10] <tomreyn> ryouma: if you were hoping to get
assistence with something, you'll need to state what it is
exactly, and provide details / context. use a pastebin.
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123 [03:22:42] <efloid> ryouma:
replaced-url
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125 [03:23:52] <bigfluff> So, first time using Debian +
KDE...great combination!
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127 [03:24:51] <efloid> bigfluff: :-)
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129 [03:25:41] <bigfluff> I've been bugged for the longest
time that if I switched to KDE I'd still need GTK for Firefox,
but that doesn't seem to be the issue that I had thought it to
be
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133 [03:28:58] <efloid> ryouma: see
/lib/systemd/system/fstrim.timer which is part of util-linux
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176 [04:17:27] <ryouma> tahnks. i was always afraid to zero out
the drive using sdparm or whatever and did not hace the spare drives
to do so. and afraid to upgrade the firmware.
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248 [06:16:36] <zerowalker_w_> where can i find the default
sources.list that's closest to ones location? I am currently
using a preseed i made, but for some reason it uses the
"us" version even though it's far away. Not sure why
cause i have set the location to be my country, though the language
is set to en_US so perhaps that is the case
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254 [06:22:01] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_:
replaced-url
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256 [06:23:39] <zerowalker_w_> CyberManifest, just found that, a
bit confused by the "ftp" though, to me it seems like it
can act as both http and ftp, i am guessing http is preferred?
basically just copy the link
257 [06:23:45] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: or
replaced-url
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259 [06:24:15] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: where do you hail
from?
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261 [06:24:50] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: and which release
are you using ?
262 [06:24:51] <zerowalker_w_> CyberManifest, oh that site seems
awesome. Sweden :)
263 [06:25:07] <zerowalker_w_> the latest stable debian, 10 if i
am not out of sync
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265 [06:27:02] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: well I was going to
link you to the results, but it seems to do it server side, so
you'll have to use that site to do it yourself, just uncheck
the box to use the default and then select the mirror of your
country, scroll to the bottom and generate list
266 [06:27:48] <CyberManifest> oh and select your release Stable
Buster
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268 [06:28:24] <zerowalker_w_> yeah just did that:) unchecked the
non-free and contrib, think those are normally not added. Noticed
that the backport servers was just the default one, not the
"se" version though
269 [06:28:35] <zerowalker_w_> yeah made sure i selected that one
270 [06:29:03] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: or
replaced-url
271 [06:29:15] <zerowalker_w_> though i find it a bit confusing,
it says i need to install these first: apt install curl wget
apt-transport-https dirmngr
272 [06:29:24] <zerowalker_w_> but it's not using https
right?
273 [06:29:41] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: it can use https
274 [06:29:49] <zerowalker_w_> looks like mine now, apart from
conrib and non-free
275 [06:30:03] <zerowalker_w_> i don't need to add https?
276 [06:30:10] <themill> zerowalker_w_, CyberManifest: highly
recommend against using debgen
277 [06:30:10] <CyberManifest> nope
278 [06:30:11] <zerowalker_w_> on the repos
279 [06:30:16] <zerowalker_w_> ah
280 [06:30:20] <CyberManifest> themill: no one else responded
281 [06:30:30] <zerowalker_w_> themill,why?
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285 [06:30:44] <themill> CyberManifest: I can see that, it
doesn't make it a good recommendation though
286 [06:30:55] <CyberManifest> themill: to each their own
287 [06:30:58] <themill> !debgen
288 [06:30:58] <dpkg> Websites that generate a
<sources.list> for you (like
replaced-url
289 [06:31:15] <themill> CyberManifest: no seriously, debgen
causes us problems on a regular basis
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291 [06:31:54] <CyberManifest> themill: then maybe fill the need
for local source lists
292 [06:32:15] <themill> deb.debian.org already does that
293 [06:32:21] <themill> !buster sources.list
294 [06:32:21] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
295 [06:32:57] <CyberManifest> themill: it's obviously not
apparent or you wouldn't be having "problems on a regular
bases" of users using debgen
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297 [06:33:22] <themill> thank you for telling me that I
don't know what goes on...
298 [06:33:52] <CyberManifest> themill:
replaced-url
299 [06:33:53] <another> there's a example config on the
wiki...
300 [06:33:53] <themill> CyberManifest: the sources.list you
pastebinned will cause problems in about a year when bullseye is
released.
301 [06:34:04] <themill> CyberManifest: deb.debian.org is local
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303 [06:34:35] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: ^ make note of what
themill said
304 [06:34:49] <CyberManifest> themill: it's not local to
sweeden
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309 [06:36:23] <CyberManifest> themill: show me sweeden or other
locations
replaced-url
310 [06:36:43] <themill> Last time I looked Stockholm was in
Sweden.
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313 [06:37:13] <zerowalker_w_> wait, why will it cause issues?
314 [06:37:21] <zerowalker_w_> it looks normal to me
315 [06:37:21] <CyberManifest> themill: show me where it says
"Stockholm"
316 [06:37:34] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: cause it says
stable and not buster
317 [06:37:34] <themill> CyberManifest: do you know what a CDN
is?
318 [06:37:37] <zerowalker_w_> Stockholm is in sweden, for the
most part
319 [06:37:43] <zerowalker_w_> oh
320 [06:37:47] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: when bullseye comes
out IT will be stable
321 [06:37:48] <themill> zerowalker_w_: "stable" in the
sources.list is a timebomb waiting to go off
322 [06:37:56] <zerowalker_w_> good catch
323 [06:37:59] <CyberManifest> themill: nope
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325 [06:38:32] <zerowalker_w_> so can i just replace stable with
buster, even on "stable-updates" and
"stable/updates"
326 [06:38:41] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: yes
327 [06:38:48] <themill> zerowalker_w_: yes, you should do so
(use what dpkg said)
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329 [06:39:22] <CyberManifest> themill: I take it dpkg
didn't tell them anything or they wouldn't be inquiring
here
330 [06:39:48] <themill> Please do try arguing less and reading
more, you'll be much less annoying
331 [06:39:48] <zerowalker_w_> done, thanks!
332 [06:39:55] <another> !deb822
333 [06:39:55] <dpkg> Debian uses a simple "key: value"
file format for lots of files that looks a bit like RFC822 mail
headers and so is nicknamed "deb822". There are Perl,
Python, Ruby etc bindings for modules to read and write this file
format.
334 [06:40:18] <CyberManifest> themill: try being less annoyed
and more accepting and you'll be more at peace
335 [06:42:08] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_: you're welcome
glad I was able to help :)
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337 [06:42:56] <zerowalker_w_> :)
338 [06:43:15] <zerowalker_w_> so bullseye will come next year
already? anything interesting in it?
339 [06:43:33] <CyberManifest> themill: and again if requests and
needs were met people wouldn't have to resort to tools like
debgen
340 [06:44:27] <themill> CyberManifest: there are oodles of
places where this is available that aren't debgen. Adding
another one doesn't help
341 [06:44:38] <CyberManifest> zerowalker_w_:
replaced-url
342 [06:44:54] <CyberManifest> themill: yet it's Obviously
not obvious to users
343 [06:45:16] <themill> Sure, so next time someone asks, please
point them at what dpkg said or at the wiki and not at debgen
344 [06:45:55] <CyberManifest> why do you keep saying what dpkg
said, dpkg didn't say anything
345 [06:46:03] <themill> really?
346 [06:46:19] <themill> I can see several things that dpkg has
said in the last 15 min.
347 [06:46:33] <CyberManifest> themill: I'll keep pointing
them to where I see appropriate, fill a need
348 [06:46:42] <themill> no
349 [06:46:44] <themill> please don't.
350 [06:46:46] <CyberManifest> themill: do you mean the damn bot
351 [06:47:00] <themill> Giving bad advice here is not welcome,
ok?
352 [06:47:07] <CyberManifest> themill: wasn't asking
353 [06:47:28] <themill> Umm, this actually isn't
negotiable.
354 [06:47:45] <themill> I'm politely asking that you look
after our community, but you want to make that into a confrontation
355 [06:47:47] <CyberManifest> If not here then anywhere else I
see fit
356 [06:48:23] <CyberManifest> themill: no you're asking to
conform to broken protocols and methods
357 [06:48:27] <themill> So, please, give good advice
358 [06:48:34] <CyberManifest> I did
359 [06:48:41] <themill> No, I'm asking you to not give bad
advice
360 [06:48:42] <CyberManifest> it solved their issue
361 [06:48:44] <themill> no
362 [06:48:56] <CyberManifest> solving their issue was good
advice
363 [06:49:10] <themill> no it was not, it had to be modified
364 [06:49:18] <CyberManifest> which wasn't hard
365 [06:49:20] <themill> Making mistakes is ok, but learning from
them is essential.
366 [06:49:33] <CyberManifest> to some
367 [06:49:35] <CyberManifest> not to everyone
368 [06:49:36] <themill> Refusing to learn from them is not
acceptable
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370 [06:50:06] <themill> I'd rather you stayed here and
provided good advice to people.
371 [06:50:09] <another> wat? learning is not good for everyone?
372 [06:50:37] <themill> I'm happy for people to make
mistakes and learn; I'm not prepared to have people not learn
and insist that bad advice is good
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436 [08:27:05] <wrksx_> hey
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440 [08:30:26] <wrksx_> Can you help me uderstand how is the
domain part of the sender email address is determined when sending
emails from the cmd line?
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443 [08:31:37] <wrksx_> Using postfix, in the main.cf config file
I changed the 'myhostname' variable but it doesn't
change anything (tried reload and restart postfix)
444 [08:32:32] <Shadur> wrksx_: That's because you change
the wrong variable. 'myorigin' is the one you want.
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446 [08:32:56] <wrksx_> Shadur: oh right, I see this myorigin var
at the top of the file
447 [08:33:04] <wrksx_> saying "Debian specific"
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450 [08:33:24] <wrksx_> But then why is myhostname for?
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452 [08:34:57] <wrksx_> And is "myorigin =
/etc/mailname" supposed to work
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459 [08:40:55] <Shadur> wrksx_: It does if /etc/mailname is a
file that exists. That's a default because a lot of MTAs
support that convention.
460 [08:41:15] <Shadur> myhostname is how your MTA identifies
itself to another mail server.
461 [08:41:37] <Shadur> "Hi, I am mailsender.example.com,
and I've got a message here from
johnfoobar@example.com...."
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464 [08:42:57] <Shadur> myhostname:
'mailsender.example.com'. myorigin:
'example.com'. That's the distinction in a nutshell.
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469 [08:46:11] <wrksx_> Shadur: shouldn't myhostame be
"mailsender" only then? I get the idea anyway, enough to
test and research. Thank you =)
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471 [08:49:54] <Shadur> No, because the sending mail server does
not have to be in the same domain.
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474 [08:50:16] <Shadur> smtp.examplecom.outlook.com might be
sending mail on behalf of example.com, for instance.
475 [08:52:13] <wrksx_> Shadur: ah right, thanks, makes sense
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564 [10:39:50] <solsTiCe> hi. If I were to add a debian directory
for my software to be package as a .deb using meson+ninja, what
would it be like ?
565 [10:40:30] <mesaboogie> solsTiCe,
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569 [10:42:15] <solsTiCe> mesaboogie: nothing there about meson ?
570 [10:42:46] <mesaboogie> search for it
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598 [11:11:30] <themill> mesaboogie: there's 350ish packages
in the archive the build-depend on meson; I'd suggest looking
in debian/rules to see how they're doing it. (`build-rdeps
meson`)
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605 [11:21:22] <absinthe> hello, im trying to install wireguard
on debian stretch - i guess i need to enable stretch-backports ? but
still it can't find the packages (wireguard, wireguard-tools)
606 [11:21:30] <absinthe> or should i use buster-backports ?
607 [11:21:34] <ksk> ,v wireguard
608 [11:21:35] <judd> Package: wireguard on amd64 --
buster-backports: 1.0.20200513-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.20200513-1;
sid: 1.0.20200820-1
609 [11:21:47] <ksk> absinthe: seems it is not part of strech.
Why not update to buster?
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611 [11:22:08] <ksk> You should nox mix Stretch with Buster
Backports.
612 [11:22:28] <ksk> !tell absinthe about Stretch->Buster
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614 [11:22:53] <absinthe> thanks ksk. i guess we'll a more
up-to-date vm :>
615 [11:23:01] <absinthe> *depploy
616 [11:23:25] <absinthe> damn can't type. im so excited
about that upgrade ;>
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620 [11:25:00] <cadmio> Hello
621 [11:25:08] <cadmio> where can I find gmp.h?
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623 [11:25:39] <ratrace> probably libgmp-dev package
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630 [11:30:41] <cadmio> ok thanks
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709 [12:57:25] <solsTiCe> hi. I run debootstrap in a directory
with space in the name. it failed at extracting utils-linux!
710 [12:57:37] <solsTiCe> on archlinux
711 [12:57:58] <solsTiCe>
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712 [12:58:09] <Haohmaru> so you're not actually using
debian?
713 [12:58:18] <jelly> debootstrap is a shell script, patches are
probably accepted
714 [12:58:43] <jelly> Haohmaru, "I run debootstrap"
usually means "I'm installing Debian"
715 [12:58:56] <Haohmaru> k
716 [12:58:59] <solsTiCe> well. I am not going to debug that. I
think the bug is obvious
717 [12:59:05] <solsTiCe> I just let you know
718 [12:59:11] <solsTiCe> IS there a bugtracker ?
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720 [12:59:37] <jelly> solsTiCe, no prob. the bugtracker exists
but has an email-mostly interface and is a bit painful
721 [12:59:47] <solsTiCe> oh no
722 [12:59:48] <jelly> bugs.debian.org/debootstrap
723 [13:00:44] <jelly> there are helper tools like
"reportbug" but that assumes you're running debian
724 [13:00:55] <solsTiCe> yes my container ?
725 [13:01:46] <jelly> if you run debootstrap again inside the
container and manage to reproduce you can file a bug with reportbug
;-)
726 [13:02:10] <solsTiCe> ;-)
727 [13:02:15] <ratrace> spaces in directory names, while legit,
are usually a bane in 'nix world
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730 [13:02:50] <jelly> sadly this channel is pretty much divorced
from the development process and it not a good place to file bugs
(but maybe a kind soul might report it for you. That won't be
me tho!)
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736 [13:05:07] <solsTiCe> reproduced in container
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740 [13:06:43] <jelly> then you can go install reportbug in there
and, well, report the bug, and you'll have done your good deed
of the day
741 [13:06:48] <jelly> !reportbug
742 [13:06:48] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
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747 [13:12:06] <NetTerminalGene> guys i want to switch to X but
in gdm there are two different X stuff. which one should i choose?
748 [13:12:21] <NetTerminalGene> i am on wayland now
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760 [13:21:30] <NetTerminalGene> ok. i found
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764 [13:25:56] <solsTiCe> jelly: so I posted the bug report with
reportbug. I just hope it was sent ok. I can't see it, now
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769 [13:31:19] <jelly> solsTiCe, thanks! It can take up to 20
minutes for a new bug report to appear
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778 [13:40:44] <oxek> jelly: I posted a bug yesterday and it has
still not appeared
779 [13:44:43] <Haohmaru> maybe the bug report went very near a
black hole
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781 [13:46:47] <ksk> oxek: are you using a localpart that machtes
procmailrc its "I FORGOT THE NAME"-field? ;) (and
greetings to 1970)
782 [13:47:11] <ksk> (for example: You cannot send mail to the
BTS, if your email is like "mail@example.com")
783 [13:49:05] <jelly> oxek, that also happens, some are stuck
because the spam countermeasures are drastic
784 [13:50:12] <oxek> it's likely spam
785 [13:50:19] <ratrace> oxek: I think you can report to....
*cough* Ubuntu's LaunchPad, there's an option for debian
if I'm not mistaken. Or repro in 'buntu, report for
'buntu, it usualyl trickles down back to debian, often the
maintainers are the same person
786 [13:50:32] <oxek> I could not send it through bugreport
because reportbug.debian.org mailsever was not reachable
787 [13:50:43] <oxek> so I sent it through normal email
788 [13:51:22] <oxek> hmm, that's an interesting idea,
reporting bugs to ubuntu instead
789 [13:51:33] <oxek> the interface is certainly better
790 [13:51:51] <ratrace> oxek: speaking of that, you could
configure your local MTA to send out over port 465, instead 25.
while not 100% up to spec, chances are recipient servers will accept
791 [13:52:15] <oxek> ratrace: I think the issue is that debian
simply blocks my ip address
792 [13:52:32] <ratrace> oxek: more likely your ISP blocks
outbound port 25
793 [13:52:42] <ratrace> and you can verify that with something
like mtr-tiny
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796 [13:58:06] <solsTiCe> my email was not valid. it was
root@natit. will it work with reportbug ?
797 [13:58:16] <oxek> 465 is supposed to be straight SSL, not
starttls, right?
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800 [13:59:47] <ratrace> oxek: right
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802 [14:00:02] <oxek> I can't do even 'openssl s_client
-connect reportbug.debian.org:465'
803 [14:00:16] <ratrace> "splendid".
804 [14:00:39] <oxek> it doesn't matter, I'll try the
ubuntu way
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806 [14:01:13] <ratrace> I usually tend to ignore fossy systems
that make it hard to report issues. you don't want bug reports?
byeeeeeee..
807 [14:01:13] <oxek> I guess I can just use debootstrap to get a
ubuntu chroot and reproduce the issue there and then report it
808 [14:01:37] <ratrace> oxek: yea
809 [14:01:42] <oxek> I don't particularly want to
'lie' to ubuntu maintainers that I use ubuntu when I
actually use debian
810 [14:02:05] <ksk> If the bug is present in Ubuntu that should
be fine.
811 [14:02:20] <ratrace> that wasn't even recommended. LP
has sections for _debian_ specific issues. at least had last time I
looked
812 [14:02:35] <oxek> oh, that's even better than
813 [14:02:38] <ratrace> or, like I said, try repro in
'buntu then report for 'buntu, and the fix will likely
come down to debian
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815 [14:06:54] <jelly> that doesn't happen as often as one
might expect
816 [14:10:08] <oxek> I would have already sent so many little
patches to little issues in debian, if it was as simple as a github
pull request
817 [14:10:10] <oxek> but alas
818 [14:10:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
819 [14:11:08] <ratrace> oxek: debian uses gitlab to some extent.
I wonder if users can create accounts there and try pull requests
820 [14:11:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> is module signing in the kernel on
be default on a fresh install
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832 [14:32:43] <mesaboogie> Eryn_1983_FL, grep the kernel config
and find out
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836 [14:35:19] <mesaboogie> Eryn_1983_FL, grep CONFIG_MODULE_SIG
/boot/YOUR_KERNEL_CONFIG
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839 [14:37:13] <mesaboogie> Eryn_1983_FL, grep
/boot/YOUR_KERNEL_CONFIG CONFIG_MODULE_SIG
840 [14:37:21] <mesaboogie> my bad
841 [14:38:08] * mesaboogie goes for coffee
842 [14:39:51] <blebz> Newb question: Is the idea with Debian to
not use sudo and to login with su -l when we want to hack around
with the system / install stuff etc. ?
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845 [14:41:08] <blebz> Cos I set up a username, and managed to
get it sudo'ed up .. but the user has no paths set up for /sbin
etc. so no commands work...
846 [14:41:53] <blebz> What is the thinking behind this set up?
Are we just supposed to use root for everything in the cli?
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849 [14:42:51] <mesaboogie> blebz, either that (su) or add your
user to group wheel, your normal user that is. --->>>
replaced-url
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854 [14:43:57] <n_1-c_k> blebz, it's perfectly legitimate to
add /sbin etc to an ordinary user's PATH, e.g. to run
'ip'. I'd do that first.
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856 [14:45:13] <blebz> So by default a normal user on deb has
hardly any privaleges in the cli.. ? I guess it for security
reasons?
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858 [14:45:59] <blebz> Until you configure it thus..
859 [14:47:04] <n_1-c_k> Well, a "normal user" by
definition is one with much lesser privileges than root. Why /sbin
etc are not on PATH be default though I don't know, I think it
should be.
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861 [14:47:36] <nkuttler> blebz: the sudo by default in other
distros is really not good for security
862 [14:48:25] <blebz> No... I can see that.. I think.
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865 [14:48:34] <nkuttler> if you want to use sudo configure it,
that's an opportunity to read man 5 sudoers
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869 [14:48:59] <blebz> Is having no paths set for a normal user a
bug?
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871 [14:49:42] <nkuttler> i wouldn't say so. sounds more
like a personal preference thing
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876 [14:51:36] <blebz> Does anyone have a good link on how to set
up paths for a user... what paths they should be.. and how to make
the settings persistant i.e. everytime user logs in etc...
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883 [14:55:52] <ksk> blebz: you normaly do not have to alter
these settings..
884 [14:56:31] <ksk> blebz: take a look at
replaced-url
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888 [14:58:15] <blebz> ksk: So I'm going about this with
completely the wrong mindset? I should use su -l then get in .. do
my thing get out as quickly as possible and leave the box locked
shut?
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891 [14:58:33] <ksk> blebz: what are you trying to do?
892 [14:58:51] <ksk> !buster su
893 [14:58:52] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put
"ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See
replaced-url
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895 [14:59:16] <ksk> oh, you already used "su -l",
nevermind that.
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902 [15:03:19] <blebz> Computing goals: I am trying to set-up a
box to have a samba I can connect to with my Mac and my other Linux
OS (Pop!OS) I am really liking Linux these days and am not feeling
MacOS these days at all (a lot to do with Adobe) I am trying to
transition across to Linux and leave OSX behind if I can... but I
still used Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac at the moment...
I'm thinking Debian will be the OS I chose from now
903 [15:03:19] <blebz> on.. am trying to get my head round how it
works and how to get stuff done..
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905 [15:03:39] <blebz> I haven't even installed a DE on the
box I want to use for samba
906 [15:04:23] <blebz> But I'm a bit dumb when it comes to
sysadmin etc on Debian .. I would like to learn a bit more if I
can..
907 [15:04:40] <blebz> Just wanna know how you are supposed to go
around doing stuff..
908 [15:05:04] <blebz> Like on Ubuntu you have sudo and paths are
all set for commands and that.
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913 [15:09:16] <ratrace> blebz: you can have exactly the same on
debian
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916 [15:09:32] <ratrace> some prefer sudo, some prefer to su -l,
do the root work, exit back to unprivileged shell
917 [15:10:20] <mesaboogie> blebz, as ksk mentioned, you
shouldn't have to muck around with paths at all. you can always
use sftp/sshfs instead of samba as well for file transfers. just
giving you soe options.
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919 [15:11:14] <blebz> OK, great..
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921 [15:14:26] <blebz> Also I wanted to Use the box (without the
desktop env) as a Internal webserver so I can copy files to it and
then try my websites I am designing out on a sort of
'intranet' before just FTPing the whole directory tree up
to a live webserver out on the intranets..
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923 [15:14:41] <blebz> That and world peace ;o)
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925 [15:15:48] <mesaboogie> blebz, sounds reasonable
926 [15:15:58] <mesaboogie> sans world peace
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928 [15:18:48] <blebz> You think I should be thinking more along
the lines of the Cosmos? Not thinking big enough I guess...
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932 [15:21:35] <nlpqda> I know this is not a firefox channel
& Yes I googled/binged/duckducwentintoi BUT I couldn't the
newly installed debain 10.5.0 to recognize the backup profile of
firefox-esr even though I believe both were/are the same version
68!! it keeps warning me about older version of firefox would
corrupt the profile! I went to firefox-esr website trying to
download the newest but their 68 seems to be newest, any
933 [15:21:41] <nlpqda> none silly suggestions are highly
appreciated.
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939 [15:25:50] <jelly> make a second backup copy and use it
anyway?
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942 [15:29:46] <nlpqda> jelly: sure but firefox doesn't
allow such luxury .. the only two options available from the
dialog-box are create new profile / quit
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944 [15:30:23] <nlpqda> I've tried to push it directly from
command line also firefox --profile <folderName> it
didn't work
945 [15:30:48] <nlpqda> I'm wondering why even though both
OSs are the same buster!
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958 [15:40:41] <ueb> Hi there
959 [15:41:21] <ueb> the file /var/log/mysql/error.log keeps
being empty
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961 [15:41:36] <ueb> I checked permissions of file and folders,
but nothing..
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963 [15:42:33] <diogenes_> nlpqda, basically you only need to
copy: key4.db logins.json pref.js
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967 [15:44:59] <ueb> I see mysql related logs into
/var/log/syslog... how come?
968 [15:45:25] <ratrace> ueb: mysql configured to log into
syslog?
969 [15:45:37] <ueb> ratrace yes
970 [15:45:46] <ueb> Debian 10
971 [15:46:18] <ratrace> so then what's the question
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974 [15:46:44] <ueb> how could I switch mysql error logging into
/var/log/mysql/error.log ?
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978 [15:47:47] <Coraxyn> Morning
979 [15:48:37] <ratrace> ueb:
replaced-url
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981 [15:48:55] <Coraxyn> If any here is responsible for FPC Free
Pascal Compiler package, please update 32 and 64 versions
982 [15:49:21] <ratrace> Coraxyn: likely nobody is, and you can
file a bug report / wishlist
983 [15:49:33] <Coraxyn> Thank you
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989 [15:54:37] <Hi-Angel> Hey! I've got a custom package
that overrides a `/etc/anacrontab` which is also in `anacron`
package. `dpkg -i` refuses to install this custom package because,
well, I override a file owned by someone else. I wonder, what's
the proper way to deal with that situation?
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996 [15:57:13] <n_1-c_k> Hi-Angel, haven't used it myself
but dpkg-divert(1) might be what you're looking for.
997 [15:57:42] <Hi-Angel> Okay, thank you!
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1031 [16:32:57] <jelly> dpkg-divert probably should not be used on
paths that are marked as "conffile" by some other package
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1033 [16:33:51] <jelly> Hi-Angel, the least worst approach is
perhaps not shipping the file, but replacing/updating the contents
in your postinst configure step
1034 [16:34:38] <jelly> I remember diversion of conffiles had
weird results but that was a LONG way back, in Debian 5 or 6 maybe
1035 [16:35:28] <jelly> Hi-Angel, maybe ask in #packaging over on
irc.oftc.net; I don't know if shared conffile is an option
1036 [16:38:19] <Hi-Angel> Okay, thanks!
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1055 [16:51:27] <xSlendiX> Hello everyone, I am trying to install
tigervnc on raspbian lite. It works but the vnc port 5901 is closed
for other computers on my network. SSH's port is open and im
left confuzed. What do I do in order to fix this?
1056 [16:52:11] <petn-randall> !raspbian
1057 [16:52:11] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called
Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made
specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian
and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or
#raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support.
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1060 [16:52:32] <petn-randall> xSlendiX: I'd try asking in
one of those two channels. ^^^
1061 [16:52:52] <xSlendiX> Ok
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1178 [17:12:02] <oxek> fasd or autojump? Which one is better?
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1183 [17:13:04] <ndegruchy> I didn't like jump, it gave me
inconsistent results. Though I've never tried fasd.
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1186 [17:13:40] <oxek> I can try both, but would prefer to know if
one is better than the other first
1187 [17:13:54] <oxek> I'm going through the github pages of
both
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1189 [17:14:01] <oxek> looking at issues, pull requests
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1193 [17:15:54] <oxek> and both have lots of unanswered issues,
not merged pull requests, and haven't been updated in years
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1367 [17:47:56] <jim> SerajewelKS, hi, had some questions... no
pressure, whenever you see me is fine
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1373 [17:50:38] <EmptyMessage> what questions?
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1375 [17:51:35] <yanmaani> !ask
1376 [17:51:35] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1401 [18:13:53] <absinthe> ,v libboost-context1.67.0
1402 [18:13:54] <judd> Package: libboost-context1.67.0 on amd64 --
stretch-backports: 1.67.0-13+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster:
1.67.0-13+deb10u1
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1482 [19:33:36] <mutantturkey> what's up. in terms of
networking and security, has anyone read good BOOKS about securing a
production network internally, best practice wise
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1491 [19:40:33] <vlt> mutantturkey: Step 0: Only open things that
need to be open.
1492 [19:42:16] <mutantturkey> vlt: true that
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1494 [19:42:46] <mutantturkey> was looking fo something a bit more
comprehensive including things like auditing, logging, risk
profiling
1495 [19:42:49] <mutantturkey> idk!
1496 [19:43:03] <macc24> mutantturkey: let me know when you find
book like this
1497 [19:43:11] <mutantturkey> hah, maybe i will just have to
write it!
1498 [19:43:28] <mutantturkey> PRODUCTION SERVER CONSIDERATOIN AND
APPROACHES FOR DUMMIES
1499 [19:43:30] <vlt> mutantturkey: Then you can include things
like (in no particular order): ssh keys instead of passwords, send
encrypted data only, ...
1500 [19:43:31] <greycat> Only run the services you actually need.
Run the stable release and keep up to date on security patches. Do
not change permissions at random.
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1502 [19:44:02] <mutantturkey> greycat: i almost always change
permissions at random
1503 [19:44:18] <greycat> !666
1504 [19:44:19] <dpkg> 666 or 0x029a or 011011000110110001101100
is the mythological number of the beast in christian mythology.
It's also 0666 or -rw-rw-rw-, but no sane person ever has a
file with those permisions. Read Revelations or info coreutils
'Numeric Modes' if you really care about these things
1505 [19:44:51] <greycat> dpkg, 666 =~ s/Revelations/the book of
Revelation/
1506 [19:44:51] <dpkg> greycat: OK
1507 [19:45:26] <greycat> !777
1508 [19:45:27] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx
and is NEVER the right answer to your permission
"problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not)
can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is
VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of
leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry.
Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>,
<ftp must die>.
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1511 [19:46:16] <mutantturkey> greycat: i almost always change
permissions at random
1512 [19:46:49] <mutantturkey> greycat: chmod `shuf -i 0-7 -n
1``shuf -i 0-7 -n 1``shuf -i 0-7 -n 1` `find | shuf -n 1`
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1514 [19:47:09] <greycat> *plonk*
1515 [19:47:15] <mutantturkey> lols
1516 [19:47:29] <greycat> absolutely terrible. for god's sake
learn some bash if you're going to troll.
1517 [19:48:18] <mutantturkey> it works!
1518 [19:48:21] <mutantturkey> i don't recommend it
1519 [19:48:31] <greycat> printf %03o\\n "$((RANDOM &
0777))"
1520 [19:48:37] <mutantturkey> niceer i guess
1521 [19:48:51] <jelly> needs more suid, sgid and s-ticky
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1523 [19:49:12] <greycat> also
replaced-url
1524 [19:49:19] <jhutchins> mutantturkey: It's more than one
book. I have a four foot shelf of them, but most of what I know
I've learned by doing.
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1526 [19:49:57] <mutantturkey> jhutchins: yeah i'm just
looking for general recommendations
1527 [19:50:01] <mutantturkey> one could imagine a large volume
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1529 [19:50:06] <jelly> greycat, you will be pleased to know that
an ArchLinux user reported abysmal failure of debootstrap to create
a chroot if there's a space somewhere in path
1530 [19:50:13] <jelly> just today
1531 [19:50:29] <greycat> Also, for anyone who is confused, do NOT
run the command that mutantturkey wrote.
1532 [19:50:38] <jhutchins> mutantturkey: One might realisticaly
imagine 20.
1533 [19:50:41] <mutantturkey> yeah it's pretty vile
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1535 [19:51:05] <greycat> jelly: yay.
1536 [19:51:08] <jhutchins> Or rich.
1537 [19:51:15] <jelly> find | shuf IS weird, I'll give you
that
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1539 [19:51:29] <mutantturkey> surely find has a flag to randomly
select
1540 [19:51:32] <mutantturkey> /s
1541 [19:51:37] <yanmaani> find . -exec 'chmod -R $(printf
%03o\\n "$((RANDOM & 0777))") {};'
1542 [19:51:44] <mutantturkey> eek
1543 [19:51:47] <jelly> where's my eurojackpot oneliner
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1545 [19:52:17] <mutantturkey> in other news markets are down as a
'super virus' has scrambled the brains of computer
facilities for many meganational corporations
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1547 [19:52:29] <mutantturkey> some say it started as a bad joke
on #debian
1548 [19:52:39] <jelly> is that why Azure got hiccups today
1549 [19:52:43] <jelly> (shuf -i 1-45 -n5 | sort -n; echo .; shuf
-i 1-10 -n2 | sort -n)|tr '\n' ' ';echo
1550 [19:52:56] <jelly> except it should be 1-50
1551 [19:52:58] <mutantturkey> we really should obfuscate it
though
1552 [19:53:41] <yanmaani> jelly: What's that do?
1553 [19:54:29] <greycat> what is that supposed to be, a lottery
picker?
1554 [19:54:33] <jelly> yes
1555 [19:54:46] <jelly> 5 numbers from 1-50, 2 numbers 1-10
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1557 [19:56:29] <jelly> could be cut in length somewhat but at
least it's readable
1558 [19:57:50] <jelly> maybe it might use just one sort if the
latter two numbers are formatted in a clever manner?
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1609 [20:38:26] <antto> dafuq.. i cp'ed debian netinst onto
some flash stick and "cp" pretty much finished instantly
1610 [20:38:33] <antto> i thought there was some error
1611 [20:38:37] <antto> o_O
1612 [20:38:58] <greycat> now you wait for it to actually sync the
data...
1613 [20:39:28] <antto> i unplugged and replugged it, it shows as
Debian 10.5.0 amd64 blahblah
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1615 [20:39:42] <antto> but imma redo the cp and wait for sync
1616 [20:40:32] <petn-randall> greycat: I thought cp does a
fdatasync at the end?
1617 [20:40:33] <antto> cp .... | sync
1618 [20:40:37] <antto> right?
1619 [20:40:38] <dvs> antto, or type "sync" after the
copy is over
1620 [20:40:52] <antto> okay, it took several seconds now
1621 [20:40:53] <petn-randall> antto: What dvs said, don't
pipe the one in the other.
1622 [20:41:09] <antto> hm
1623 [20:41:28] <petn-randall> If you have a fast stick a few secs
doesn't sound crazy.
1624 [20:41:32] <petn-randall> netinst image?
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1626 [20:41:50] <antto> yes
1627 [20:42:13] <antto> but the first time it wasn't a few
seconds it was more like.. woop, woop! finished
1628 [20:42:28] <n4dir> doeasnt sync run if you umount?
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1630 [20:42:58] <antto> i did click the eject button in pcmanfm
before unplugging it
1631 [20:43:00] <dvs> n4dir, yes, but cp to a disk is not mounted
in the first place
1632 [20:43:10] <antto> it was mounted
1633 [20:43:19] <n4dir> duh. thanks
1634 [20:43:28] <dvs> when copying the iso???
1635 [20:44:16] <antto> dvs, i plugged it in to see what's on
it, opened it via pcmanfm, saw it was FAT32 or so, had 4 dxf files,
i said "meh, don't need these" and then i went to cp
the iso over it
1636 [20:44:21] <petn-randall> antto: that sounds wrong.
1637 [20:44:40] <petn-randall> antto: You are preparing a USB
stick to boot from, right?
1638 [20:44:48] <antto> yes
1639 [20:44:56] <dvs> yeah, the flash drive shouldn't be
mounted when copying the iso
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1641 [20:45:51] <racquad> Hi guys. Does anyone have any experience
on restoring a MySQL database from the MYD files?
1642 [20:46:11] <antto> ehm, i have debian9 on another machine
which also has crapdowsXP, and the debian there has nothing, i
haven't used it, no files.. and i was thinking to upgrade it
but then i saw that i've not partitioned very cleverly, so
i'd install debian 10 over it and make more sane partitions
1643 [20:46:22] <petn-randall> racquad: What happened?
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1645 [20:47:27] <racquad> petn-randall, there was a VM that was
running a LAMP application. Someone deleted this VM but the image
disk is available (it's not bootable, I don't know why).
So I have access to /var/lib/mysql repository but I can't
restore the databases in it
1646 [20:47:29] <greycat> antto: for a home desktop system with no
special usage requirements, just make one big file system, possibly
with a small-ish swap partition if needed
1647 [20:47:34] <SerajewelKS> i was today years old when i learned
that the default LUKS sector size kills write performance on HDDs by
nearly a factor of 8
1648 [20:48:13] <SerajewelKS> friends don't let friends use
the default LUKS sector size
1649 [20:48:42] <antto> greycat, why not have swap, home, and / on
separate partitions?
1650 [20:49:06] <antto> that's how i've been doing it..
except on this debian9, i've put just 30-ish GB for /
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1654 [20:49:48] <jhutchins> racquad: What's your hypervisor?
There may be a way to import or mount the disk file.
1655 [20:50:02] <greycat> antto: separate /home is fine too.
1656 [20:50:15] <petn-randall> racquad: Your best chance is to get
it to boot again, assuming you didn't disable writethrough. Do
you have backups from the machine or the database?
1657 [20:50:19] <jhutchins> racquad: The problem with modern MySQL
is that it keeps a lot of stuff in memory and just the files are not
enough to restore it.
1658 [20:50:22] <SerajewelKS> the only argument i've seen for
having a separate /home that makes any sense at all is if you want
to be able to reinstall the OS without having to backup/restore your
home directory, but even that doesn't make much sense since
there is usually stuff you want from / as well, like /etc
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1660 [20:50:27] <racquad> jhutchins, The customer is running
Azure. I don't have access to the infrastructure. They gave me
just a SSH endpoint
1661 [20:50:43] <SerajewelKS> or if you don't trust your
users not to fill up the disk the OS lives on, but there's
quotas for that
1662 [20:50:50] <jhutchins> racquad: Azure may have backups.
1663 [20:50:56] <antto> oh sh*t.. Kernel panic
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1665 [20:51:00] <racquad> petn-randall, no I don't have any
backups. The customer was supposed to have a infra team to take care
of it.
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1667 [20:51:09] <racquad> petn-randall, I have recreated a new VM
with the very same OS (Ubuntu 14.04) but it didn't work at all.
First I just moved the /var/lib/mysql directory to the new VM. MySQL
does not load and crashes. Then I reinstalled a fresh MySQL server
and created manually one of its databases (same name). Then moved
the files to the proper dir. MySQL can see the table names but
can't open tables.
1668 [20:51:17] <antto> initramfs unpacking failed: junk in
compressed archive
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1674 [20:51:56] <racquad> jhutchins, they don't have. This VM
was created using a proprietary template that they can't
implement anymore. All I have is a VHD image disk that I'm
trying to download and boot on my computer
1675 [20:52:37] <jhutchins> racquad: I'd talk to Azure
support. They're paying for it.
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1680 [20:53:45] <racquad> jhutchins, "
1681 [20:53:45] <racquad> The original template or
“plan” file that originally built the Cognos Ubuntu
14.04 LTS server you were using prior to its deletion is no longer
available on the Azure Marketplace, which is why you could not build
a similar VM from the restored Disks" This is Microsoft's
team reply
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1684 [20:55:11] <Darcidride> Hi all, i'm trying to share a
file from my rutorrent instance (p2p/torrent) on as much as possible
public trackers for resilience/sustainability, but it seems it
doesnt work when we put too many backup trackers, with 1-4 public
trackers it's working properly, i can seed and leech my
torrent, but with 100+ public trackers, so huge backup trackers
possibility, it seems it doesn't seed anymore... (some are
offline trackers, but
1685 [20:55:11] <Darcidride> i can see my local torrent client
skip them if needed). So i'm wondering if the clients
doesn't need to be on the same tracker to allow the seed/leech
to work properly, is it the case ? How many trackers in my case woul
you put in the torrent file to ensure sustainability/resilience ?
And, is it normal, even with the huge trackers list, that i only see
2 active trackers at the same time ?
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1686 [20:55:12] <Darcidride> Thank you for your help ! :)
1687 [20:56:22] <alex11> SerajewelKS, FWIW i just got bit from
migrating from debian to freebsd and back, the home directories
don't always translate or correspond exactly so a single /home
which is fixed as in a separate partition may not be a bad idea...
unless i just screwed it up and was stupid about the whole thing
1688 [20:56:31] <petn-randall> racquad: Sounds like it's lost
now.
1689 [20:56:56] <racquad> But if I have the /var/lib files
can't I restore it?
1690 [20:56:58] <petn-randall> racquad: You might have luck taking
the image to a company specialized in data recovery.
1691 [20:57:07] <alex11> though i'm sure with the right tar
arguments (but who understands tar) it's probably fine
1692 [20:57:18] <racquad> Why even using the same MySQL version
can't I mount the raw files and use it?
1693 [20:57:22] <petn-randall> racquad: You can, but judging from
your tests the data is corrupted.
1694 [20:58:36] * petn-randall wonders how this is in any way related to
Debian.
1695 [20:59:05] <racquad> petn-randall, it's not. Sorry to
bother.
1696 [20:59:34] <racquad> I just asked because it was running on a
Debian like OS and some minor detail may help.
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1699 [21:01:01] <greycat> *plonk*
1700 [21:01:03] <petn-randall> racquad: I'd try to get the
original OS to boot, and work it from there. But my guess is that
the filesystem and/or data is corrupted and unrecoverable.
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1703 [21:02:05] <NetTerminalGene> ,v gnome-shell
1704 [21:02:06] <judd> Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- jessie:
3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.3-3; buster: 3.30.2-11~deb10u1;
bullseye: 3.36.5-1; sid: 3.36.5-1
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1707 [21:02:54] <NetTerminalGene> nice
1708 [21:03:47] <NetTerminalGene> it looks like 3.38 will be
bullseye
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1717 [21:09:21] <NetTerminalGene> i switched to X from wayland
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1719 [21:10:30] <markw__> It looks like .local/lib/python{version}
is no-longer added to the Python search path on Sid after I
installed Python 3.8
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1721 [21:11:17] <markw__> Is this just me or does anyone know if
that was an intentional change?
1722 [21:11:44] <markw__> NetTerminalGene: how do you like it?
1723 [21:12:09] <greycat> nobody here would know about sid's
python transitions
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1726 [21:12:40] <NetTerminalGene> markw__: i dunno. i feel better
now
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1729 [21:13:36] <markw__> greycat: do you know a better channel or
should I be looking somewhere else?
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1731 [21:14:17] <greycat> !debian-next
1732 [21:14:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
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1734 [21:15:10] <markw__> NetTerminalGene: I don't
"get" Wayland. I'm pretty cool with X -- all my
graphical programs are already there
1735 [21:15:23] <markw__> you need some kind of shim for wayland/X
right?
1736 [21:15:28] <markw__> greycat: thanks
1737 [21:16:04] <NetTerminalGene> markw__: i can't drag and
drop files under wayland
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1739 [21:16:22] <sney> X is extremely outdated and needs a
replacement, but wayland isn't *quite* there yet. still, having
it available in a major distro is important for keeping that process
moving
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1741 [21:17:09] <greycat> I'm probably never going to move to
Wayland unless they offer a way to run fvwm or something very
fvwm-like as the window manager.
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1743 [21:18:44] <diogenes_> greycat, sway?
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1745 [21:18:58] <sney> you know how popular retro stuff is, I bet
someone is already working on throwback 90s interfaces for wayland.
but if KDE support isn't really there yet... you know
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1747 [21:19:03] <markw__> sney: IDK. I read an article ostensibly
about why X is outmoded, but it read more like "here's
some super cool features of X that I don't use"
1748 [21:19:05] <nkuttler> i recently installed sway, and had to
create a custom xkb map just to customized a few keys..
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1750 [21:19:56] <NetTerminalGene> my buster logged off one time
when i was on wayland. so i felt disturbed with wayland. so people
said X is more reliable. and i switched to X
1751 [21:20:02] <nkuttler> last time i tried wayland was in 2013..
still not very usable..
1752 [21:20:38] <jmcnaught> I've been using Wayland
exclusively since stretch and it's been working okay for me.
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1754 [21:21:14] <nkuttler> jmcnaught: which wm/de?
1755 [21:21:34] <sney> X is like SysV in that it's functional
and we've gotten quite good at making it act as if it belongs
in the 21st century, but at the end of the day we're still
depending on something that belongs in a museum
1756 [21:21:56] <sney> (*indiana jones voice*)
1757 [21:22:01] <jmcnaught> nkuttler: GNOME
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1763 [21:30:28] <SerajewelKS> alex11: it still not clear to me how
having homedirs in a separate partition actually helps though. how
often does one decide to switch distros? is it really worth managing
separate free space pools to make that rare situation a tiny bit
easier?
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1766 [21:33:31] <diogenes_> SerajewelKS, it's not only about
changing distru, if you or an update breaks your system and you need
reinstall what you gonna do with data in /home ?
1767 [21:33:44] <alex11> yeah, it's probably a general safety
measure as well
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1770 [21:36:24] <jelly> diogenes_, you don't reinstall, you
restore from backups. That's also where separating /home helps.
1771 [21:37:10] <jelly> truth be told I've had to restore
browser profiles _under_ home far more often than pieces of the OS
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1783 [21:48:35] <SerajewelKS> diogenes_: restore from backups
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1785 [21:49:04] <SerajewelKS> a separate volume is not a backup.
and it doesn't much help with backups either, unless you
don't know how to use your preferred backup tool.
1786 [21:49:50] <SerajewelKS> the number of times i've
accidentally hosed some data in my home directory is way higher than
the number of times i've hosed the whole system. you're
more likely to hose stuff you use frequently. i use my personal data
way more than i configure the system.
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1788 [21:50:24] <jelly> but it's nice to have a separate /var
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1792 [21:52:19] <SerajewelKS> if you're running services that
perform better when you can tune the underlying filesystem then sure
1793 [21:52:28] <SerajewelKS> e.g. fewer/more inodes
1794 [21:52:31] <SerajewelKS> otherwise i don't much see the
point
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1797 [21:55:26] <ryouma> i think debian supports whatever you want
:)
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1801 [21:58:26] <ryouma> of course some cases require a separate
subtree, such as boot
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1804 [22:00:29] <ryouma> i have a shell function to do this so
that tabs actually get restored --- 12:37 <jelly> truth be
told I've had to restore browser profiles _under_ home far more
often than pieces of the OS
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1807 [22:01:34] <ryouma> is wayland something a lot of folk just
install and then it just works? it never occurred to me to install
it
1808 [22:01:52] <greycat> It's installed by default in Debian
10 if you choose GNOME during the initial task selection.
1809 [22:02:30] <omnisip> are there any default settings spots
where the window manager handles mouse events?
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1818 [22:14:11] <ryouma> apparently this applies to newer versions
and newer drives and so on. where did you learn of hte nearly factor
of 8 write performance hit? would it apply to external drives also?
nothing on this at
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1824 [22:17:56] <ryouma> so apparently luks has its own journal
like thing which might be needed if you hcange sector size:
"Note that if sector size is higher than underlying device
hard‐ ware sector and there is not integrity protection that uses
data journal, using this option can increase risk on incomplete sec‐
tor writes during a power fail. If used together with --integrity
option and dm-integrity jour‐ nal, the atomicity of wr
1825 [22:17:56] <ryouma> ites is guaranteed in all cases (but it
cost write performance - data has to be written twice). "
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1827 [22:18:22] <SerajewelKS> ryouma: for many HDDs the physical
sector size is 4096 but luksFormat uses a default of 512
1828 [22:18:35] <ryouma> so you are just dividing?
1829 [22:19:54] <ryouma> i'd naively assume cache would fix
that
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1831 [22:20:15] <SerajewelKS> combined with multithreaded
encryption, this can result in a bunch of partial out-of-order
sector writes and the HDD winds up thrashing rewriting the same
physical sector multiple times. at least that's what i assume
is happening.
1832 [22:20:20] <ryouma> (and naively fear smr regardless)
1833 [22:20:50] <SerajewelKS> i saw a 7.2x throughput increase
when dd'ing /dev/zero with a 1MB block size to an opened crypto
device with a LUKS sector size of 4096 vs 512
1834 [22:21:22] <SerajewelKS> when the underlying device has
physical 4096 byte sectors
1835 [22:21:23] <ryouma> dumb question but dding dev zero does not
get sparsified i assume?
1836 [22:21:32] <ryouma> by the fs
1837 [22:21:40] <greycat> /dev/zero is not *stored* in a file
system
1838 [22:21:49] <greycat> It's a character device node.
1839 [22:22:04] <ryouma> SerajewelKS: files craeted by dding dev
zero does not get sparsified i assume?
1840 [22:22:13] <ryouma> although you are doing it to the device
it looks like
1841 [22:22:46] <greycat> You can't generate a sparse file by
writing a linear stream of bytes. You would need to seek ahead.
1842 [22:23:10] <SerajewelKS> ryouma: i am writing directly to the
crypto device
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1844 [22:23:41] <SerajewelKS> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/...
bs=$((1024 * 1024))
1845 [22:23:54] <SerajewelKS> with a 512-sector LUKS device on an
HDD with 4096
1846 [22:24:05] <SerajewelKS> -byte physical sectors, i got
~15MB/s throughput
1847 [22:24:18] <SerajewelKS> 512-byte sector LUKS device, rather
1848 [22:24:30] <SerajewelKS> by changing the LUKS sector size to
4096 and redoing the test i got ~105MB/s
1849 [22:25:13] <SerajewelKS> this explains the poor write
performance i have on pretty much every system i have that uses
LUKS. the defaults are bad for HDDs as most have 4096-byte sectors.
(probably fine for SSDs).
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1852 [22:29:52] <SerajewelKS> it's even more frustrating that
luksFormat will refuse to format a device where the device's
size is not an exact multiple of the sector size. just warn me that
the tail won't be used and format it, dangit. you actually have
to resize partitions if they aren't an exact multiple.
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1859 [22:34:47] <ryouma> i didn't understand that
1860 [22:34:51] <ryouma> antto: could this be due to the unusual
format of those archives? iirc it's 2 things in one. --- 11:51
<antto> initramfs unpacking failed: junk in compressed archive
1861 [22:35:16] <ryouma> antto: if you are doing that manually
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1864 [22:38:48] <ryouma> my notes say "it is an uncompressed
cpio containing # microcode followed by a compressed cpio containing
# initrd."
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1871 [22:45:48] <flayer> hi
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1883 [22:57:31] <EmptyMessage> hello
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1896 [23:05:29] <blscoe> Hi community. In Gedit, how can I scroll
past the end of a file?
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1899 [23:06:18] <mete> SerajewelKS, interesting thanks. that could
be the issue on my last backup server, had also poor performance
there with a raid0...
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1901 [23:07:12] <SerajewelKS> mete: it's fun too that the
manpage says that a sector size of 4096 will probably perform better
on most devices. okay... so why isn't that the default!?
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1907 [23:09:34] <jim> SerajewelKS, hi
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1912 [23:12:12] <jim> I'm looking at the man page for
imagemagick's import command, and it has the word
"DESCRIPTION" in it, but it's missing an actual
description... is that a documentation bug?
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1915 [23:13:49] <jelly> SerajewelKS, aren't all the
partitions 1MiB aligned with modern tools anyway
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1932 [23:32:37] <diego-treitos> Hi, is anybody experiencing any
problem with signing emails via neomutt in Debian 10?
1933 [23:32:55] <diego-treitos> I am having an obscure error with
no information and neomutt just reports "error signing data:
General error?"
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1935 [23:33:15] <SerajewelKS> jelly: if you ask luksFormat to
create a LUKS volume with a 4096 sector size on a device that
isn't an exact multiple of 4096 bytes long, it just
doesn't work. which is silly.
1936 [23:34:05] <SerajewelKS> fdisk in particular doesn't
seem to make any effort to align the end of a partition, just the
start
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1965 [23:55:27] <KoaX> i have an issue with vsftp, every time is
specify chroot_local_user=YES in the config file, the service fails
to start and says code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT
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