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8 [00:03:45] <hiya> digdilem, its hiyo with problems not me :D
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237 [01:27:27] <zh1> every time i reboot my time and date goes
back few months even runned dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, debian 8.6
32bits
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259 [01:38:42] <petn-randall> zh1: tzdata only sets the timezone.
Your BIOS clock should keep track of the current time and date. You
should check the BIOS battery. If you want to keep it up-to-date
when the server is up, install something like ntpd or chrony to
update your clock with time servers.
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264 [01:40:13] <zh1> petn-randall, makes bit sense, but since
this is a laptop battery check is hard now
265 [01:40:52] <zh1> petn-randall, by what i remember i dont
switch battery in 10 years
266 [01:41:21] <somiaj> zh1: note there is a difference between
the cmos battery and laptop batery.
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268 [01:42:18] <zh1> somiaj, sorry i meant cmos
269 [01:42:21] <somiaj> also if none of your other firmware
(bios/efi) settings are changing it could be just bad drift on your
clock. Might not be anything you can do except maybe keep it in sync
with ntpd though I think there are some things to do for laptops
that aren't always on line
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272 [01:42:53] <somiaj> those hardware clocks go bad, a few
months bad I haven't not ran into.
273 [01:43:23] <cra1g321> i'm not sure for debian, but i
think timedatectl is what is used now for system clock stuff
274 [01:43:56] <zh1> somiaj, since i dont use the laptop in a
while maybe 6month maybe i forgot something here on install
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276 [01:44:26] <somiaj> zh1: oh so this drift happens over say 6
months? Could just be a bad hardware clock that you just have to
deal with the drift.
277 [01:44:44] <somiaj> zh1: cmos baterys don't cost to much
if you wanted to try a new one, but I would assume other settings
would be forgotten if the cmos batery was bad.
278 [01:44:45] <cra1g321> zh1 what does timedatectl status output
?
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280 [01:44:47] <zh1> somiaj, gonna check a few things here first
281 [01:46:12] <somiaj> cra1g321: this seems more like a hardware
drift issue over a settings issue though.
282 [01:46:22] <zh1> cra1g321, i have now correct time and date
on timedatectl, but was doing this after i reboot or poweroff and on
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284 [01:47:17] <zh1> somiaj, any way i can test battery without
tear down the laptop?
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289 [01:47:43] <cra1g321> ah i must of missed a few lines
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292 [01:48:29] <zh1> somiaj, this laptop is a pain to disassemble
i always take around 6 hours to do it, and in the end goes to
toshiba store
293 [01:49:38] <somiaj> zh1: there are ways to just keep your
clock synced and deal with the drift.
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295 [01:50:11] <zh1> somiaj, cra1g321 petn-randall gonna reboot
and see if this is fixed
296 [01:50:15] <zh1> brb
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310 [01:57:22] <azelisk> does it matter where i install GRUB to
when setting up a dual boot?
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313 [01:59:26] <ranix> the answer 'no' is technically
correct but practically incorrect, azelisk
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315 [01:59:44] <azelisk> ok senator
316 [01:59:50] <azelisk> could you explain that please
317 [02:00:08] <ranix> it depends on how you want to dual-boot
exactly
318 [02:00:18] <azelisk> between two linux distros
319 [02:00:28] <zh1> petn-randall, running timedatectl i get ntp
off
320 [02:00:38] <azelisk> that are stored on different partitons
of the same HD
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323 [02:00:59] <ranix> azelisk: then you probably want to install
grub to the mbr of the hard disk that houses both OSes
324 [02:01:09] <azelisk> so for example
325 [02:01:11] <ranix> it will probably figure everything out by
itself
326 [02:01:21] <azelisk> /dev/sda not dev/sda1
327 [02:01:23] <zh1> somiaj, this aint syncing for some reason,
it always go to sat may 2016 and maybe that date is last time i used
pc
328 [02:01:34] <cra1g321> you're HDD should named something
like /dev/sda and the partitions will be like /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2,
so install to /dev/sda
329 [02:01:39] <cra1g321> your*
330 [02:02:23] <cra1g321> and the step of the installer if i
recall correctly, it should only list drives not partitions
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332 [02:02:52] <zh1> petn-randall, i mean "NTP synchronized:
no"
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334 [02:03:14] <cra1g321> zh1, if you want to enable it, do
timedatectl set-ntp true
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340 [02:04:55] <zh1> cra1g321, even with that command it stays
"NTP syncronized no"
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345 [02:06:46] <cra1g321> i have it enabled on my arch install
,adn just did timedatectl set-ntp false and timedatectl still says
its enabled, so thats weird that it doesnt show the change right
away
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348 [02:07:28] <missmbob> weird. never noticed
349 [02:07:33] <cra1g321> i'm assuming it maybe doesnt take
affect until reboot
350 [02:07:35] <zh1> somiaj, cra1g321 on doing a hwclock in
terminal i get "Sat 01 Jul 2006 03:16:04 AM WEST -0.375680
seconds"
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355 [02:08:10] <zh1> this laptop today is nuts
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357 [02:08:29] <zh1> just on time and date
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362 [02:10:29] <somiaj> zh1: it could be bad cmos battery, that
looks a lot like it may have reset the time.
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373 [02:13:37] <zh1> somiaj, everything points to that, and i
never have changed it. this laptop only went once to toshiba
support, cause after i tear it apart 7 times strait i could not fit
something, and sizes of crews made a belly in a cover
374 [02:14:15] <somiaj> zh1: usually the batery is easy to get
to. remove a few screws from a pannel on the bottom and open it to
see the batery, then replace.
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376 [02:14:42] <somiaj> most have 2-3 panels, on my toshiba it
was in the panel that included access to the ram
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378 [02:16:12] <zh1> somiaj, i have no problem changing the
battery myself, but i prefer toshiba does it i hate opening this
laptop
379 [02:17:35] <zh1> somiaj, i hope its not the damn cmos battery
but i think it has never been changed in 10 years unless some
technician done, i only once sended the pc to clean dust inside
380 [02:18:36] <somiaj> zh1: up to you. the panels are fairly
safe to remove and see if you have access.
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382 [02:18:48] <somiaj> many new laptops just have a latch/switch
to make access even easier
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385 [02:20:34] <missmbob> zh1: oh now the 2006 date makes sense.
you got it ten years ago. probably build date of the firmware
386 [02:20:36] <zh1> somiaj, i thought battery was just coin
size,
replaced-url
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388 [02:21:25] <somiaj> zh1: depends on the laptop. Some make
them more fancy than they need to be. Do you have the exact model of
your toshiba?
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418 [02:50:58] <OldParr> is anything in debian for connecting
with whatsapp users ?
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421 [02:52:07] <missmbob> web.whatsweb.com
422 [02:52:19] <missmbob> web.whatsapp.com i meant
423 [02:53:08] <OldParr> missmbob: thanks
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427 [02:55:59] <ranix> ircclcv2: of or relating to jargon
428 [02:56:36] <ranix> alternately, of or relating to the Jargon
429 [02:56:39] <ranix>
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511 [04:03:44] <Akuw> i am getting this "HAXM requires a
Genuine Intel processor"
512 [04:03:48] <aZz7eCh> doing my head in ~ google not solving it
fast enough for me ... i can write mp3's to a cd, and in
nautilus tell it to leave the disc open so i can add files later -
nautilus burns the cd great ... but when i come back with it later
... nautilus treats me like i closed the disc ... no option to
continue adding files ... any tips ?
513 [04:06:51] <aZz7eCh> jessie 8 stable gnome 3 btw
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516 [04:08:20] <somiaj> hmm, I'm not familar with that
option, but don't you need special cds for that?
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518 [04:09:20] <aZz7eCh> ? no
519 [04:09:51] <aZz7eCh> pretty normal practice with a cd. if you
burn any type of cd and 'finalize' it, nothing can be
added. leave it open, you can continue filling it till full over
time.
520 [04:10:25] <somiaj> I thought you had to use special cds for
that, but I haven't used cds in about 10 years
521 [04:10:30] <somiaj> so my knowledge could be outdated
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528 [04:15:36] <aZz7eCh> you're thinking of rewritable cds
and dvds
529 [04:15:46] <aZz7eCh> no... not talking about rewritable
media.
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537 [04:20:55] <somiaj> aZz7eCh: yea not familar with
multi-session stuff. Seems nautilus old cd never supported it
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539 [04:20:59] <somiaj>
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540 [04:21:12] <somiaj> do you have Brasero installed so you are
really using that?
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543 [04:22:11] <aZz7eCh> yea nautilus integrates brasero
functions
544 [04:22:28] <missmbob> that's kind of a sad bug report
545 [04:22:43] <aZz7eCh> nautilus/brasero, take your pick, they
both refuse to continue an open cd
546 [04:23:29] <missmbob> aZz7eCh: read the bug report he just
pasted. wontfix
547 [04:24:21] <somiaj> that isn't the issue
548 [04:24:31] <aZz7eCh> i have just read through it ... and for
the first time in 2 years using debian .... im ... slightly
disgusted
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551 [04:24:46] <somiaj> nautilus now uses brasero, I was just
misslead and looking for info about nautiluus
552 [04:25:08] <somiaj> anyways I just found a form that
multisession just doesn't work with some hardware. Has it ever
worked with this paticular cdrw?
553 [04:25:53] <aZz7eCh> works fine on our windows machines. they
can continue the multisession that i have left open, using brasero
option to leave it open, here in debian.
554 [04:26:04] <somiaj>
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555 [04:26:37] <aZz7eCh> so why the hell include the ability to
leave it open ... if theres no support to continue a disc thats
still open
556 [04:26:37] <somiaj> it isn't that the drive is bad, it
is that brasero is buggy with it. Therer are some other suggestions
in that thread, but it sound slike you have tried turing on the
right options
557 [04:26:57] <somiaj> it just that it doesn't work for all
drives. You may just have one the version in jessie doesn't
work with
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559 [04:27:14] <somiaj> ,v brasero
560 [04:27:15] <judd> Package: brasero on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.4.1-4; jessie: 3.11.4-1.1; sid: 3.12.1-4; stretch: 3.12.1-4
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564 [04:28:09] <somiaj> one person said that this got it to work,
I turned on DAO in Edit > Modules > growisofs > settings.
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568 [04:28:27] <aZz7eCh> you reading that in the same link ?
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570 [04:28:54] <somiaj> I don't know the software enough to
know more than what I'm finding in google. But it does sound
like the issue is with brasero, and it could be just it doesn't
work with your drive.
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574 [04:30:41] <somiaj>
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578 [04:33:22] <aZz7eCh> hmm
579 [04:33:34] <aZz7eCh> turned it on ~ will have a fiddle and
see (FINGERS CROSSED)
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588 [04:38:33] <aZz7eCh> l0ord... lol... has made it worse.
failed to leave the disc open at alll so another new disc ruined off
the bat
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590 [04:39:09] <somiaj> it might just be something strange with
your hardware. I've seen it mentioned in multiple places. But
no way to test unless you have other hardware
591 [04:39:17] <aZz7eCh> such a simple damn thing to be doing ...
its like not being bothered upkeep 3 lines of code to make a floppy
drive work cos its not 1990 anymore
592 [04:39:35] <aZz7eCh> sad.
593 [04:39:38] <somiaj> "Lastly it also depends on the DVD
Recorder you are using. Some models have been known to create this
problem. Changing the unit helped."
594 [04:39:40] <aZz7eCh> oh well ... thanks for suggestions.
595 [04:40:38] <somiaj> anyways, just reporting what I found.
Sounds like you have selected all the right settings. Unfonrtally
crappy hardware can still work in windows since the manufacture
provides fixes for windows
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600 [04:42:54] <vvuja> anyone from USA here
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602 [04:43:23] <aZz7eCh> and from what i see... the number of
drives that "dont" work with brasero and multisession
...seems to be just about all of them. ... ...
603 [04:43:37] <aZz7eCh> which would explain the original
"WONTFIX"
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606 [04:48:35] <somiaj> vvuja: do you have a question about
debian? There are people here from the usa, but that may not be the
question you wanted to ask.
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609 [04:49:12] <vvuja> no I need someone from usa on private
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611 [04:49:19] <vvuja> I have friend in USA that need something
612 [04:49:23] <vvuja> not related to debian
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615 [04:50:20] <aZz7eCh> o0 lol
616 [04:50:30] <somiaj> vvuja: this isn't the place for
that. Maybe #freenode
617 [04:50:38] <aZz7eCh> he's going to tell them to not let
trump win
618 [04:51:45] <RoyK> I guess you'll need to pray to a
particular crowd of gods to make a change there
619 [04:52:07] <vvuja> ok thanks
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621 [04:52:32] <RoyK> or #debian-offtopic
622 [04:52:41] <RoyK> where nothing is on-topic :D
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684 [05:44:25] <simbalion`> Is it possible to install a 32bit
copy of libportaudio.so.2 in a 64bit jessie system?
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693 [05:50:48] <themill> simbalion`: yes, you install the :i386
package
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695 [05:52:36] <simbalion`> themill: which package? I
couldn't find one
696 [05:53:11] <simbalion`> ah, libportaudio2:i386, I bet thats
it
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783 [06:57:21] <jak2000> a osticket channel related?
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795 [07:07:53] <xormor> I have an old Spotify account. Just
installed it in Debian Jessie stable 8.
796 [07:07:57] <ambient> Hi, I have 64bit Debian with AMD
architecture and graphocs card. I was looking at an old 90'd
era game that I wanted to try via wine. the installer advices I use
a 32 bit compatability layer, but now wants to pull in loads of
other libraries for audio. I do audio/video production, among other
things and am worried about switching from 64 to 32 bit libraries.
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799 [07:09:40] <ambient> It says, "the following extra
packages will be installed" I don't mind getting extra as
long as I am not lowering the software quality of anything. Ignorant
comment, I know. What do you think?
800 [07:10:07] <ambient> I am getting about 200 to 300 megabutes
xtra, for trying to run a game...
801 [07:10:14] <RoyK> ambient: 90s? is it DOS?
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803 [07:11:05] <ambient> RoyK, Yeah, I was reading about a sci fi
writer named Project itoh. I read his books and picked up a copy of
Metal Gear Solid, his first book. It's awful, but am still
fascinated by the writer
804 [07:11:18] <ambient> The otehr books are great though
805 [07:11:23] <RoyK> ambient: if it's DOS, see dosbox
806 [07:11:49] * RoyK likes the day of the tentacle :D
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810 [07:12:20] <ambient> RoyK, okay. But do you think a
compatability layer will give me more good stuff or lower the
quality of my softwar?
811 [07:12:22] <RoyK> pretty horrible to play with 640x480 on a
large monitor, though - well - those were the days :D
812 [07:12:33] <RoyK> ambient: just try dosbox
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814 [07:12:49] <RoyK> ambient: most games at that time was
written for dos, not windows
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816 [07:13:13] <RoyK> ambient: directx came around a lot later
817 [07:13:17] <jak2000> !dpkg
818 [07:13:17] <dpkg> dpkg is, like, the program used by Debian
to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me
about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called
dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
819 [07:13:24] <jak2000> !dpkg sources.list
820 [07:13:25] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
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821 [07:14:03] <RoyK> jak2000: ?
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825 [07:15:44] <ambient> RoyK, Sure, I will look into dosbox, but
have a look see here:
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830 [07:17:28] <RoyK> ambient: well, 250MB isn't a whole lot
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833 [07:17:50] <RoyK> ambient: is this really i386? most things
are x64 now...
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835 [07:18:02] <ambient> RoyK, I don't care about file size,
I am concerned with potential downgrade. I am 64 bit
836 [07:18:39] <RoyK> doesn't matter - you can uninstall
those packages later
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838 [07:19:45] <ambient> RoyK, are multilibs just added
compatability, so I get extra goodies, or a lowering of performance?
(I am never clear on that)
839 [07:20:16] <ambient> RoyK, Mind you, audio production does
not need crazy performance
840 [07:20:22] <ambient> But video does
841 [07:20:56] <RoyK> you won't get conflicts if you're
on a stable release
842 [07:21:14] <mrrhq> multi-lib doesn't really impact
performance at all. All 64-bit x86 processors are compatible with
32-bit binaries.
843 [07:21:26] <RoyK> mixing unstable/testing and stable will
make your day a sad day
844 [07:21:30] <RoyK> !sns
845 [07:21:30] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
846 [07:21:54] <ambient> heh
847 [07:22:18] <mrrhq> Or become a Sid user like me and suffer
even more, muhaha.
848 [07:22:25] <RoyK> !sid
849 [07:22:25] <dpkg> somebody said sid was the codename for
<unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys.
The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to
keep ALL the pieces!!
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861 [07:32:20] <jak2000> Temporary failure resolving
'deb.debian.org' same as for:
'security.debian.org' why?
862 [07:32:24] <jak2000> RoyK any advice?
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868 [07:34:22] <jak2000> wich is bad:
replaced-url
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876 [07:37:07] <unborn> jak2000: it works on my end.. but I am
debian..
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879 [07:37:17] <jak2000> yes i am on debian
880 [07:37:24] <jak2000> mmm
881 [07:37:34] <jak2000> its ubuntu :(
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916 [08:03:55] <JyZyXEL> the --private 1 doesn't work on
paste.debian.net with pastebinit
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918 [08:04:24] <JyZyXEL> its supposed to be the default option
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964 [08:47:09] <Ast001> hi how can I prevent Debian from
automatically making directories with some sort of time as name like
this 12:29:52 or 12:55:24 ? I think that started when I started to
use ramdisk on it.
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974 [08:49:46] <RoyK> Ast001: AFAIK debian doesn't do that -
can you elaborate, please?
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980 [08:53:25] <eviltoaster> Can answers from traceroute
alternate between udp and tcp or does it will use udp if i tell it
to?
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986 [08:55:24] <mik> -.-
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993 [09:01:03] <KindOne> It possible to keep the harddrive in
read-only mode, but mount flash drives with read/write? I'm
getting "Error creating mount point
`/media/user/16gb-orange': Read-only file system.".
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997 [09:01:59] <SwedeMike> KindOne: it's probably because it
can't create the directory to mount the flash drive in. So if
you manually mount the flash drive to an existing directory, you can
mount it read/write
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1025 [09:19:44] <Ironhand> hello, does anyone know of a
"nice" solution to manage static routes? I've only
ever seen the 'up ip route add' in /etc/network/interfaces
solution, but it feels a bit hackish and it looks chaotic for large
lists of routes
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1033 [09:22:46] <bhuddah> Ironhand: can you describe your use
case? how do you end up with large lists of static routes?
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1037 [09:23:47] <Ast001> RoyK every day I found some directories
names like date like '10:28:12" etc... and I delete in
manualy. That started when I started to use ramdisk so I think it is
connected somehow.
1038 [09:23:47] <Ironhand> bhuddah: load balancer servicing many
vlans, customers with custom routes, etc
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1041 [09:24:28] <Ironhand> bhuddah: we do use configuration
management (Ansible) so it's manageable, but it's
difficult to ensure actual routing tables match the config file
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1045 [09:25:41] <bhuddah> Ironhand: have you looked into using
quagga for routing / config?
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1052 [09:28:21] <Ironhand> bhuddah: I'm somewhat familiar
with it, but I mostly associate it with dynamic routes rather than
static ones; also not really eager to run an extra service daemon
1053 [09:28:50] <Ironhand> bhuddah: I quite like the approach that
ferm (
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1054 [09:29:05] <bhuddah> Ironhand: it would enable you to use the
usual "router" way of configuring routes though. you know
what i mean...
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1056 [09:29:53] <Ironhand> bhuddah: that's true, guess that
would make it worth giving it a try
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1059 [09:30:43] <Ironhand> bhuddah: thanks for the suggestion
1060 [09:30:46] <bhuddah> Ironhand: good luck :)
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1189 [10:32:19] <plop6> hi
1190 [10:33:06] <Bonn333> plop6: hi
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1192 [10:34:02] <plop6> which package contain all keymap file ?
when using localctl list-keymaps got Could'nt find any console
keymaps ( running sid from minimal debootstrap install )
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1208 [10:42:13] <Axton> I can get all filenames found by find into
a file with "find . -name 'my_file' >>
namefile.txt"
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1211 [10:42:40] <Axton> But how can i add a newline to every file
output by find, before I add it to namefile.txt?
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1219 [10:48:07] <Hestben> Axton: my find does append a newline
1220 [10:48:17] <Hestben> Axton: Do you want two newlines?
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1231 [10:53:52] <_abc_> Hello. Is lxc an option on debian?
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1232 [10:54:09] <OpenTokix> _abc_: yes you can use lxc if you want
to, not overly complicated.
1233 [10:54:09] <_abc_> It is!
1234 [10:54:33] <_abc_> Are there other options too? I need a type
of container where proprietary X11 apps can run with their libs.
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1237 [10:54:55] <OpenTokix> _abc_: You can do that with docker, I
run a firefox in a docker container.
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1239 [10:55:09] <_abc_> ssh -Y into a container or vm on the same
machine is too gross. I need something between LD_PRELOAD* and a
full vm
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1241 [10:55:17] <_abc_> OpenTokix: how hard was it to set up?
1242 [10:55:29] <_abc_> And on what release of debian did you do
it?
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1244 [10:55:50] <OpenTokix> _abc_: not hard at all
1245 [10:55:54] <OpenTokix> _abc_: jessie
1246 [10:56:31] <_abc_> So no special trics needed? Also, are you
on systemd or non systemd?
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1248 [10:57:24] <OpenTokix> _abc_: systemd or not does not matter.
Its just that you export a display socket for the docker container
to use.
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1250 [10:58:43] <_abc_> Ok, so unrelated to
replaced-url
1251 [10:58:57] <_abc_> I mean
replaced-url
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1253 [10:59:07] <_abc_> okay I got it, was just browsing options
and that came up 1st
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1258 [11:01:51] <OpenTokix> _abc_: docker run -ti --rm -e
DISPLAY=$DISPLAY -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix
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1261 [11:01:55] <OpenTokix> this is the command I use
1262 [11:02:00] <_abc_> nice
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1264 [11:02:22] <_abc_> Wait, where is the container specified? In
the config?
1265 [11:02:42] <OpenTokix> After I do the voluem
1266 [11:02:43] <_abc_> Strange how the much hated Windows SXS is
coming back to haunt linux.
1267 [11:02:53] <_abc_> OpenTokix: hm?
1268 [11:03:03] <Axton> Hestben: I found out that there was a
newline, but I openen the file on windows, and the newline on
windows is different... DUH!
1269 [11:03:17] <Axton> Hestben: But thx for helping.!
1270 [11:03:19] <OpenTokix> _abc_: docker run -ti --rm -e
DISPLAY=$DISPLAY -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix firefox-sandbox
1271 [11:03:23] <Hestben> Axton: ah, that old error.
1272 [11:03:27] <OpenTokix> _abc_: this would run your container
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1274 [11:04:04] <Hestben> Axton: there are the tools
"dos2unix" and "unix2dos" to convert files
1275 [11:04:20] <Axton> Hestben: now, thats cool. Thx ;-)
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1277 [11:04:58] <OpenTokix> _abc_: you might also need to change
your permissions on X-server with xhost
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1281 [11:06:46] <momomo> hi
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1284 [11:07:30] <plop6> which package contain all keymap file ?
when using localctl list-keymaps got Could'nt find any console
keymaps ( running sid from minimal debootstrap install )
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1286 [11:07:36] <OpenTokix> _abc_: xhost +SI:localuser:root before
you can access your xserver running as normal user, from docker.
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1292 [11:10:03] <mimimi_> anyone knows if the installer of debian
allows you to directly encrypt the entire hard drive ?
1293 [11:10:09] <mimimi_> to install debian on top
1294 [11:10:49] <mimimi_> i am installing linux mint lmde and it
doesnt seem to offer encryption .. so i seem to have to install
debian first and then mint
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1302 [11:13:54] <mimimi_> anyone?
1303 [11:14:02] <Hestben> mimimi_: I have done it once
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1305 [11:14:20] <Hestben> mimimi_: with Debian wheezy, iirc
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1307 [11:14:26] <Hestben> mimimi_: it should be possible
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1310 [11:14:39] <mimimi_> Hestben: using mint or debian ?
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1312 [11:15:02] <Hestben> mimimi_: using debian should work
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1314 [11:15:20] <Hestben> mimimi_: regarding mint, maybe there is
a channel called #mint that might now
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1316 [11:15:33] <mimimi_> Hestben: no people on it
1317 [11:15:51] <OpenTokix> mimimi_: yes you can, but /boot is
unencrypted, root with passphrase and rest with key - + swap
generated at boottime
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1319 [11:16:14] <mimimi_> OpenTokix: again, on mint installer?
1320 [11:16:25] <OpenTokix> mimimi_: I dont care about mint
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1322 [11:16:46] <mimimi_> OpenTokix: ook, good to know .. it is
using gparted ... wierd that there is no such option
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1329 [11:20:16] <Hestben> mimimi_: Apparently, mint is on another
network:replaced-url
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1334 [11:22:17] <plop6> look like is default behavier from debian.
localectl list-keymaps won't work
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1336 [11:22:56] <AL_Kernell> LAST TIME, I SWEAR !!!!!!!
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1378 [11:33:55] <dxtr> Hi! I'm running stretch and when I try
to start virt-manager I get "Unable to connect to libvirt.
authentication unavailable: no polkit agent available to
authenticate action 'org.libvirt.unix.manage'"
1379 [11:34:12] <dxtr> What have I missed?
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1381 [11:34:37] <OpenTokix> dxtr: Is libvirt installed, and are
you member of the libvirt group?
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1383 [11:35:10] <dxtr> No I am not a member of the libvirt group.
Will try that!
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1385 [11:35:41] <OpenTokix> dxtr: Dont forget to relogin - or
start a loginshell where you run virt-manager
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1396 [11:42:05] <_abc_> OpenTokix: thanks for that.
1397 [11:42:14] <_abc_> @docker
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1473 [12:05:06] <monsune> hello! would you happen to know why is
this happening? ./qemu-nbd: No such file or directory
1474 [12:05:14] <monsune> while the file does exist
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1498 [12:09:22] <th0r> monsune, just a guess...you are trying to
run a script that is not marked executable
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1502 [12:09:46] <babilen> monsune: It probably happened because
you ran the "./qemu-nbd" command, but that is pure
conjecture. What did you do exactly, why do you think that it should
work?
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1504 [12:10:27] <babilen> monsune: There are many reasons why that
could have happened and we need more information (actual commands
and their output, your PWD, ...). Please use
replaced-url
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1507 [12:11:36] <monsune> th0r, babilen: i will try to explain -
that's a binary file and i need to run it while staying in
rescue mode on my dedicated server to be able to access an important
.qcow2 disk
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1509 [12:12:33] <monsune> i also tried its original location:
/disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd - same problem
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1512 [12:13:49] <monsune> i'm trying to run it off a mounted
system drive in rescue mode
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1518 [12:16:31] <babilen> monsune: Could you still provide the
actual command and output? You might want to throw in "ldd
/disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd" -- I guess that you are missing
libraries
1519 [12:16:51] <monsune> babilen hm so those could be the libs
that excutable can't access?
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1521 [12:17:08] <monsune> trying ldd
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1523 [12:17:26] <monsune> # ldd /disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd
1524 [12:17:27] <monsune> not a dynamic executable
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1527 [12:18:01] <monsune> # file /disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd
1528 [12:18:25] <monsune> # file /disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd
1529 [12:18:25] <monsune> disk/usr/bin/qemu-nbd: ELF 64-bit LSB
shared object, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked,
interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32,
BuildID[sha1]=896947cdf09dbd2e0947797573655057777e6688, stripped
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1531 [12:19:08] <babilen> → lunch
1532 [12:19:12] <monsune> isn't it looking for that
interpreter then?
1533 [12:19:21] <babilen> It would be, yes
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1535 [12:19:38] <monsune> many thanks, will try to hack it somehow
1536 [12:19:55] <babilen> I guess it'll work if you chroot
into the system (or install dependencies outside)
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1539 [12:21:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> how can it be dynamically linked,
but not a dynamic executable
1540 [12:21:42] <monsune> i have no idea...
1541 [12:21:57] <monsune> babilen wow... in fact i could chroot my
mount
1542 [12:22:06] <monsune> this is a great idea
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1544 [12:22:26] <monsune> i tried to provide it with that
interpreter and now:
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1546 [12:22:32] <monsune> # ./qemu-nbd
1547 [12:22:32] <monsune> ./qemu-nbd: error while loading shared
libraries: libz.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
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1549 [12:22:36] <monsune> so i will try chroot...
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1552 [12:22:56] <monsune> i desperately need to run that binary
1553 [12:23:08] <monsune> in somewhat unusual env.
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1565 [12:26:07] <monsune> # chroot /disk
1566 [12:26:07] <monsune> chroot: failed to run command
‘/bin/zsh’: No such file or directory
1567 [12:26:20] <monsune> zsh does exist in /bin
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1587 [12:33:05] <carp_> Hi, I would like to make a wordpress
website. Ive got jessie up and running. Im a beginner. Does anyone
have some tips to recommend me?
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1589 [12:33:47] <bazhang> why not ask the wordpress channek
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1593 [12:34:27] <carp_> bazhang: Yes, I will too.
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1604 [12:41:36] <monsune> babilen thank you so much! chrooting
helped and i can run the dreded qemu-nbd finally :)
1605 [12:41:51] <monsune> hopefully no more issues to solve...
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1612 [12:45:32] <monsune> well there are issues... it will never
work :(
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1665 [13:18:23] <_abc_> monsune: sounds like you need to discover
docker and or similar solutions.
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1677 [13:22:43] <monsune> _abc_ all i need is to mount qcow2 image
to grab a few files from it
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1679 [13:23:03] <monsune> while staying in rescue mode on my
dedicated
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1681 [13:23:32] <_abc_> mount it natively or convert the image
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1685 [13:25:04] <_abc_> monsune: oh I see what you mean now. Just
searched for your predicament.
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1687 [13:25:25] <_abc_> monsune: you did modprobe nbd? And nbd
loaded?
1688 [13:26:07] <monsune> well yes i did but then i chrooted to be
able to run the binary and i can't even lsmod now
1689 [13:26:31] <_abc_> fyi I make very very sure NONE of my
vm's ever use a "native" vm format like qcow2 or that
other things from vbox. That way I can always access my files when
the vm does not start.
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1691 [13:26:41] <_abc_> loop mounting with offset is very nice.
1692 [13:26:54] <monsune> i could swear i used raw... not sure why
it's qcow2 there
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1695 [13:27:28] <monsune> wish i could just loop mount now
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1714 [13:34:43] <monsune> _abc_ would you know of a away to make
that qcow2 accessible over network?
1715 [13:34:58] <monsune> so i could mount it remotely
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1769 [14:04:20] <francine> When will Debian 9 be released?
1770 [14:04:39] <francine> It would be cool if you have any Dates
for new Releases instead of "just release it and don't
notify"
1771 [14:04:41] <francine> o_O
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1774 [14:05:49] <XeonSquared> francine: when it's ready
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1776 [14:06:30] <francine> nice "date" ... time to get
rid of debian
1777 [14:07:11] <themill> If you'd prefer distributions that
are released before they are ready, then you have plenty to choose
from.
1778 [14:07:20] <themill> !next
1779 [14:07:20] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1782 [14:07:51] <francine> !next
1783 [14:07:52] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1784 [14:07:54] <francine> no next
1785 [14:08:03] <francine> Release Dates would be cool
1786 [14:09:56] <tx> francine: some time around feb/march next
year
1787 [14:10:06] <tx> packages are expected to be fully frozen by
feb 2017
1788 [14:10:57] <francine> source?
1789 [14:11:15] <tx>
replaced-url
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1813 [14:22:54] <petn-randall> francine: Feel free to help fix RC
bugs, then it'll happen quicker.
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1816 [14:23:50] <petn-randall> tx: I highly doubt that it'll
be released in feb/march when the freeze is in feb.
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1819 [14:24:19] <tx> I am an optimist. :(
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1829 [14:29:16] <ADubhlaoich> I've been considering switching
to stretch but I've never actually ran a testing distrib
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1832 [14:29:56] <ADubhlaoich> Unsure if it has little functional
difference or if it'd be similar to my first time trying to set
up Arch - "Oh god I don't know what I'm doing or why
everything is on fire"
1833 [14:30:52] <petn-randall> ADubhlaoich: It only makes sense if
you know how to fix smaller problems and when you're willing to
be a guinea pig for the next release. There _are_ more bugs,
sometimes even showstoppers.
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1835 [14:31:22] <petn-randall> ADubhlaoich: As a rule of thumb, if
you have to ask the question, the answer is "no" ;)
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1837 [14:32:02] <glockenspiel> Hi, how can i find out if Xdialog
has been removed from debian's packages? T
1838 [14:32:33] <tx>
replaced-url
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1840 [14:32:36] <tx> by going here
1841 [14:32:44] <glockenspiel> gracias!
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1848 [14:34:38] <glockenspiel> tx: that was very helpful. more
info: It sent me to here "replaced-url
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1850 [14:34:56] <glockenspiel> and they both said the package is
gone.
1851 [14:35:00] * glockenspiel weeps
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1855 [14:36:46] <redface> Does anyone else remember the good old
days of linux?
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1857 [14:37:14] <glockenspiel> Linux? Nope, never heard of it. now
git!
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1861 [14:38:38] <innerand> I've added a module to
/etc/initramfs-tools/modules but it is ignored from
update-initramfs, any hints?
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1864 [14:40:38] <ADubhlaoich> petn-randall: Maybe I'll try a
VM or bootable image first, haha
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1866 [14:41:00] <iKarith> Can anyone recommend a good test (as in
mailcap sort of test) for Linux framebuffer?
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1871 [14:42:12] <iKarith> Testing for X is easy. Testing for a
terminal is easy. But testing for whether or not the console has a
framebuffer associated with it? I dunno.
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1874 [14:43:40] <_abc_> monsune: I only know how to make normal
fs's network mountable
1875 [14:43:48] <_abc_> not qcow2
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1903 [14:59:56] <CuSn> iKarith: you wisj to know if the system
actually has a framebuffer?
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1907 [15:02:17] <CuSn> iKarith: do you check for /proc/fb?
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1910 [15:06:25] <iKarith> CuSn: I'm trying to determine which
tool to use out of several choices in a bash script based on where
the script is running from
1911 [15:07:06] <CuSn> i see.
1912 [15:07:10] <iKarith> X11, use an X-based tool. Framebuffer,
do that. Else, get creative.
1913 [15:07:23] <iKarith> that's why I mentioned mailcap
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1984 [15:46:41] <plop6> trying to use checkinstall, is there a
conf file to pass all options ( pkgname,arch,release,maintener .. )
without have to pass it thrue command line ?
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2063 [16:24:15] <Razva> hey! what's the latest KDE Plasma
version for jessie?
2064 [16:24:37] <greycat> What's the package name?
2065 [16:24:58] <Razva> mmm...no idea, I'm looking for a
distro that uses 5.8 by default
2066 [16:25:06] <babilen>
replaced-url
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2068 [16:25:13] <greycat> Jessie was feature-frozen 2 years ago,
so if it's newer than that....
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2070 [16:25:29] <Razva> 4.14?
2071 [16:26:01] <babilen> 5.27, 16.08
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2073 [16:26:34] <Razva> boo
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2075 [16:27:15] * greycat doesn't even know what "KDE SC"
stands for.
2076 [16:27:26] <tx> KDE software collection
2077 [16:27:35] <tx> er no
2078 [16:27:37] <tx> compilation*
2079 [16:27:39] <Razva>
replaced-url
2080 [16:27:44] <tx> It basically means KDE + all of the KDE
software.
2081 [16:27:56] <greycat> ,v kde-plasma-desktop
2082 [16:27:58] <judd> Package: kde-plasma-desktop on amd64 --
wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:91; stretch: 5:91
2083 [16:28:17] <babilen> judd: v plasma-desktop
2084 [16:28:18] <judd> Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy:
4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; sid: 4:5.8.2-1; stretch: 4:5.8.2-1
2085 [16:28:18] <greycat> Those look like internal Debian
metapackage versions. Not meaningful.
2086 [16:28:36] <greycat> OK, *those* look like upstream versions.
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2089 [16:28:53] <babilen> Looks as if stretch will release with
5.8.2 or newer
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2092 [16:29:18] <Razva> k, so stable is 5.7?
2093 [16:29:26] <greycat> Stable is 4.11.13
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2096 [16:30:02] <Razva> <judd> Package: kde-plasma-desktop
on amd64 -- wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:91; stretch:
5:91 ?
2097 [16:30:13] <greycat> 11:28 greycat> Those look like
internal Debian metapackage versions. Not meaningful.
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2100 [16:30:20] <Razva> aaaah, ok
2101 [16:30:41] <babilen> judd: v kde-baseapps
2102 [16:30:42] <judd> Package: kde-baseapps on amd64 -- wheezy:
4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; sid: 4:16.08.2-1; stretch:
4:16.08.2-1
2103 [16:30:42] <Razva> so no Plasma for Debian. yet.
2104 [16:30:49] <greycat> It's in stretch (testing).
2105 [16:30:56] <babilen> Razva: Which version is needed for
"Plasma" ?
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2107 [16:31:01] <Razva> 5.X
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2109 [16:31:11] <Razva> latest stable would be 5.7
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2113 [16:31:19] <babilen> It's, as greycat has pointed out,
in stretch and sid (testing and unstable)
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2116 [16:31:25] <greycat> Oh, you mean upstream KDE
"stable", not Debian stable.
2117 [16:31:32] <andreySV> hello!
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2119 [16:31:51] <greycat> Or I don't know what you mean.
2120 [16:32:04] <andreySV> Say please the name of the russian
channel debian
2121 [16:32:12] <babilen> dpkg: ru
2122 [16:32:12] <greycat> !ru
2123 [16:32:12] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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2126 [16:32:42] <Razva> yeah, KDE stable
2127 [16:32:45] <andreySV> Thanks! Good for you
2128 [16:33:43] <babilen> Razva: Jessie (Debian stable) has
4.11.13 while stretch and sid (Debian testing and unstable) have
5.8.2
2129 [16:33:58] <babilen> My understanding is that the latter is
new enough to satisfy your requirements
2130 [16:34:12] <Razva> should I go with testing?
2131 [16:34:22] <greycat> You can try whatever you like.
2132 [16:34:24] <sm00th> the new kde 5 aint buggy for you?
2133 [16:34:24] <babilen> How familiar are you with Linux and
Debian in particular?
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2136 [16:34:44] <babilen> dpkg: tell Razva -about tum
2137 [16:34:47] <Razva> very familiar with CentOS, but they have
4.X as well
2138 [16:34:51] <sm00th> with nvidia prop drivers i get sreen
flashing alot on the new kde5
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2140 [16:34:56] <babilen> Razva: Also read
replaced-url
2141 [16:35:07] <sm00th> i have to turn compositing off, but on 4
everything work great.
2142 [16:35:26] <sm00th> with opengl 3.1, not sure why in kde 5 i
get problems.
2143 [16:35:50] <Razva> I think that at the end of the day
I'll go with a rolling os, Arch I think...
2144 [16:36:04] <andreySV> try disable compton
2145 [16:36:06] <Razva> for a desktop at least...it's
decent...
2146 [16:36:23] <sm00th> andreySV, like I said i have to disable
compositing. but kde has its own compositor I don't think its
compton
2147 [16:36:28] <babilen> Razva: I happily run a testing/unstable
mix and it should be okay for anybody reasonably familiar with
Debian and its packaging system. You might also want to read
replaced-url
2148 [16:36:39] <sm00th> but turning off compositing fixes the
issue, but I'd rather use kde 4 with compositing on.
2149 [16:37:04] <sm00th> open source drivers seem to work much
better for me on kde5.
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2151 [16:37:24] <andreySV> if use other version of videodriver?
2152 [16:37:38] <sm00th> andreySV, ya i tried many diff kinds,
diff distros
2153 [16:37:44] <Razva> what about nVidia drivers for gtx 1080?
that's a huge pain in the arse for me at this point... :|
2154 [16:37:47] <sm00th> its something about kde5 and my 650 ti
card.
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2157 [16:38:00] <babilen> Razva: Which version do you need for
that card?
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2159 [16:38:05] <babilen> judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms
2160 [16:38:06] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+2; stretch/non-free:
367.44-3; sid/non-free: 367.57-1; experimental/non-free: 370.28-1
2161 [16:38:06] <Razva> babilen drivers
2162 [16:38:10] <sm00th> andreySV, the open seource work good
though
2163 [16:38:20] <Razva> just a sec to see which one I need for
1080
2164 [16:38:32] <babilen> Razva: Yes. Which version [of the
drivers] do you need for that card?
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2166 [16:39:16] <Razva> 367.27
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2168 [16:39:38] <Razva> ^ that would be the stable one (from
nVidia's point of view)
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2170 [16:39:43] <babilen> Razva: stretch/sid have 367.44 and
367.57 respectively
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2181 [16:41:19] <Razva> stretch seems decent I guess, for a
desktop env?
2182 [16:41:28] <babilen> Absolutely
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2184 [16:41:41] <babilen> I'd run a stretch/sid (or
testing/unstable) mix though till the release
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2186 [16:42:21] <babilen> We also have a shiny channel for
testing/unstable on irc.oftc.net called #debian-next
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2202 [16:46:05] <Razva> why doesn't Debian make a step in
Cloud Computing? Ubuntu has Ubuntu Cloud, RH has a ton of stuff,
SUSE seems to rocket. so...why?
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2208 [16:48:09] <GreenBanana> Is there a way to auto sync iCloud
photos with Debian?
2209 [16:48:15] <keltim> I'm not sure what the point would be
2210 [16:48:20] <keltim> storage?
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2212 [16:48:41] <th0r> Razva, what du ubuntu and rhel have against
self-sufficiency?
2213 [16:49:02] <keltim> Debian's not a business,
they're not going to offer user services, but some other
company is welcome to provide that for Debian and charge for it
2214 [16:49:23] <GreenBanana> I would like to backup the photos
from iCloud
2215 [16:49:29] <GreenBanana> So I can access them offline
2216 [16:50:05] <Razva> keltim well...seems no company is doing
anything, because they already have commercial deals with other
commercial companies like RH and Ubuntu
2217 [16:50:43] <Razva> the thing is...nowadays I cannot see
Debian anywhere, except Proxmox...
2218 [16:50:54] <keltim> personally I don't find the cloud
account ubuntu, et. al. offer are very compelling in any way
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2220 [16:51:16] <keltim> you can get those same things anywhere
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2222 [16:51:34] <Razva> keltim just try to setup OpenStack on
debian :)
2223 [16:51:49] <Razva> it's kinda "impossiburu"
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2231 [16:54:50] <OpenTokix> Openstack is a pile of garbage
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2233 [16:55:56] <Razva> OpenTokix heh...any alternatives...? :|
please don't say oVirt :)
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2236 [16:56:23] <Razva> CloudStack is the same
2237 [16:56:40] <OpenTokix> Razva: No, sadly not
2238 [16:57:08] <Razva> :|
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2244 [16:58:02] <OpenTokix> Razva: I personally like libvirt, but
for a larger installation its not usable.
2245 [16:58:09] <OpenTokix> Razva: For containers, I prefer
kubernetes
2246 [16:58:21] <petn-randall> Razva: s/Cloud/other people's
computer/
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2252 [17:00:46] <Razva> OpenTokix yup, libvirt is not usable in a
"commercial & large-scale environment". for containers
yes, kubernetes&docker are great, but really...nobody will buy a
"hosted docker service" because it offers no guarantees.
that's why KVM is so widely-used
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2254 [17:01:31] <OpenTokix> Razva: I guess for a large
installation openstack or cloudstack is the only way to fly.
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2258 [17:01:40] <Razva> so basically what the world needs is an
easy way to deploy and manage kvm. the issue with all solutions I
found is HA and networking.
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2260 [17:01:49] <Razva> OpenTokix yup.
2261 [17:02:04] <jhutchins> GreenBanana: I think that's
something people are working on, for Google Photos too.
2262 [17:02:24] <Razva> that's where the market is going, and
unfortunately I didn't found any trace of Debian there. which
makes me sad because Debian was the first distro I've installed
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2264 [17:02:34] <jhutchins> GreenBanana: As more phones and
tablets do auto-backup to the cloud people want to sync that to a
local storage point.
2265 [17:02:50] <GreenBanana> Yeah
2266 [17:02:51] <GreenBanana> Indeed
2267 [17:03:02] <GreenBanana> Would be great
2268 [17:03:04] <Razva> GreenBanana tried OwnCloud?
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2272 [17:03:18] <Razva> it's free, open-source, can be
managed very easy
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2275 [17:03:55] * RoyK uses owncloud
2276 [17:03:56] <Razva> if you have a decent connection at
home...just make a port forward and you're good to go, files
will go from smartphone -> your machine
2277 [17:04:03] <RoyK> it's easy, free and versatile
2278 [17:04:05] <petn-randall> !ot
2279 [17:04:05] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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2281 [17:05:04] <RoyK> petn-randall: eh? what it that was so
offtopic this time?
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2290 [17:07:36] <GreenBanana> Razva: let me see
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2294 [17:08:02] <jhutchins> petn-randall: We're putting out
feelers for debian ways for syncing or auto-downloading cloud items.
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2318 [17:09:39] <jhutchins> Razva^: Are you saying there's an
app or something that redirects stuff? I don't see an option to
choose where "backups" automatically go. THere's an
app for Google, there's an app for my provider (Verizon).
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2341 [17:10:45] * RichiH looks at #841425
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2343 [17:10:46] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
2344 [17:10:47] <RichiH> meh :p
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2416 [17:29:49] <MrSmileCAI> hi
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2420 [17:30:28] <MrSmileCAI> Hi debian people, I have a problem.
Postfix tells me that port 587 is blocked, and I am not getting
smart what is used by the system to make it available. Can somebody
help me ?
2421 [17:30:44] <MrSmileCAI> Sorry, I ment "ubuntu"...
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2423 [17:30:56] <greycat> lsof -i :587 sorry, I meant /join
#ubuntu
2424 [17:31:09] <Razva> MrSmileCAI netstat -pln
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2426 [17:31:21] <Razva> MrSmileCAI netstat -pln | grep 857
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2428 [17:31:50] <MrSmileCAI> both commands executed and I receive
an empty reply.
2429 [17:31:54] <MrSmileCAI> Any other ideas ?
2430 [17:32:06] <Razva> even the one without | grep ?
2431 [17:32:07] <greycat> What is the actual error you're
seeing?
2432 [17:32:40] <MrSmileCAI> postfix/master[7375]: fatal: bind
138.2xx.xxx.xx port 587: Address already in use
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2434 [17:33:00] <greycat> then lsof -i :587 (AS ROOT) has to say
something useful...
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2438 [17:33:26] <MrSmileCAI> I am doing that as root. :(
2439 [17:34:38] <greycat> Are you sure you're running it all
on the same machine that the error is coming from?
2440 [17:34:43] <MrSmileCAI> yes
2441 [17:34:48] <greycat> Is the error *recent*?
2442 [17:34:54] <MrSmileCAI> I am connected with ssh to my server
in the datacenter.
2443 [17:34:59] <MrSmileCAI> yes, just 5 minutes ago
2444 [17:35:08] <MrSmileCAI> I try to start postfix again now.
2445 [17:35:30] <jhutchins> It's possible that postfix is
trying to bind the port twice and unbinds it when it fails.
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2447 [17:36:43] <MrSmileCAI> and again
2448 [17:36:57] <greycat> That might make sense if you're
trying to start postfix while it's already running...
somehow....
2449 [17:37:02] <jhutchins> MrSmileCAI: Perhaps grep -r 587
/etc/postfix/*
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2453 [17:38:01] <MrSmileCAI> YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
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2455 [17:38:16] <MrSmileCAI> I am sooo stupid, I looked at the
master conf file there it was..
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2460 [17:40:25] <MrSmileCAI> Thank you people! You are all
beautiful!
2461 [17:40:27] <MrSmileCAI> thank you!
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2464 [17:41:44] <jhutchins> MrSmileCAI: Hey, I only know because
I've done it too.
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2467 [17:42:48] <jhutchins> Experience is proportionate to data
destroyed.
2468 [17:43:19] <MrSmileCAI> thanks man
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2487 [17:50:29] <Denommus> are there example packages for nodejs
applications?
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2490 [17:51:04] <genoobie> hey all, booting up clonezilla (debian)
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2492 [17:51:12] <genoobie> and I can't get my ethernet
recognized.
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2496 [17:51:46] <genoobie> lspci -nn | grep Ether returns nothing
2497 [17:52:08] <genoobie> when I boot to windows I can't
find an ethernet card there either
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2500 [17:52:28] <greycat> What makes you think you have one?
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2504 [17:54:00] <genoobie> well it's a laptop
2505 [17:54:03] <jhutchins> genoobie: Perhaps the card is dead or
unseated? (Actually, it's probably embedded, but...)
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2507 [17:54:18] <genoobie> there's an ethernet port and
I'm assuming the network is embedded.
2508 [17:54:26] <jhutchins> genoobie: Sometimes the internals are
USB. Also check the BIOS.
2509 [17:54:42] <genoobie> jhutchins: thanks on the BIOS tip
2510 [17:54:46] <genoobie> I'll check brb
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2548 [18:16:22] <xsmltx> Hi, tell me please what program I need on
Linux to see the image from the Linux device to a tv through hdmi.
On the Linux device is no desktop environment only jwm. Thank you.
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2555 [18:19:13] <DamionGans> Hey all, I have some questions
regarding gaming on Debian Testing. I have two computers, one AMD
Machine with an AMD GPU, and an Intel Laptop with an AMD GPu (hybrid
graphics). I would like to play especially three Windows based
games: World of Warcraft, Skyrim and Guild Wars 2. Altough the
framerate doesn't have to be as much as on Windows, I would
like to run them at okay speeds. Do you guys have some suggestions
how to make t
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2565 [18:20:53] <jhutchins> xsmltx: HDMI output is usually
controlled by the Video Settings control applet. Often this uses
xrandr as the back end. Your drivers must stupport HDMI out, not all
do.
2566 [18:20:55] <petn-randall> DamionGans: You can probably
install the non-free amd drivers, and they should have ok speeds.
Are those games generally available for Linux, or do you require
wine for them?
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2574 [18:22:13] <xsmltx> jhutchins, can you tell me please if
there is any command to check if my drivers supports this please?
2575 [18:22:23] <DamionGans> those are wine games. unofrtunately
AMD has stopped support for non-free graphics drivers and is
contributing in the Linux kernel right now.
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2599 [18:28:12] <jhutchins> xsmltx: Try xrandr
2600 [18:28:34] <jhutchins> xsmltx: You may need to launch it in a
terminal window.
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2605 [18:29:47] <maily> Hi
2606 [18:30:18] <maily> Concerning the rsync backup
switch/feature, it creates hardlinks for non-changed files - is it
easily backupable or portable to linux over samba, etc?
2607 [18:30:35] <maily> is there also an option to de-linkize the
stuff to a full snapshot if needed at some point?
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2613 [18:32:35] <greycat> If you're asking for unusual rsync
commands, you might want to try #rsync
2614 [18:32:45] <maily> thanks
2615 [18:33:06] <xsmltx> jhutchins,
replaced-url
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2663 [18:52:37] <scottg_> Could someone help expand on how
versioning works for debian packages? The following link helped a
little but didn't explain how security updates are applied:
replaced-url
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2665 [18:53:04] <greycat> security usually just adds deb8u1 or
similar
2666 [18:53:23] <scottg_> Basically I want to know what version I
should specify that will span security updates
2667 [18:53:29] <greycat> e.g. package libc6 version
2.19-18+deb8u6
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2669 [18:53:45] <scottg_> Also perhaps this question would be
better asked in ubuntu since that's what I'm on (although
they use debian packaging)
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2671 [18:54:08] <scottg_> greycat: I'm particularly wondering
about this package
replaced-url
2672 [18:54:31] <scottg_> Would I want to specify
nginx=1.4.6-1ubuntu3* ?
2673 [18:54:40] <scottg_> or 1.4.6*
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2676 [18:54:57] <greycat> I don't know what you mean by
"specify". What are you doing?
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2678 [18:55:15] <scottg_> Trying to specify a package version that
won't break when there's a security update
2679 [18:55:27] <greycat> Specify in what context? Why? What are
you doing?
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2681 [18:55:37] <scottg_> greycat: coniguration management
2682 [18:55:40] <scottg_> configuration*
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2690 [18:57:25] <scottg_> greycat: does my question make sense?
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2693 [18:57:43] <scottg_> I don't want a security update to
break my config management. I want to be able to specify a
'static' version
2694 [18:58:03] <greycat> You're going to have to wait for
someone who understands what you mean by "configuration
management".
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2697 [18:58:11] <scottg_> Basically it seems that when they did
the security update they removed version *3.5 when it was replaced
with *3.7
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2700 [18:58:22] <scottg_> greycat: the fact that it's config
management doesn't even matter
2701 [18:58:24] <missmbob> they being ubuntu. so you should ask
them
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2705 [18:59:00] <akk> How can I get the source for the
python-webkit package? apt-get source says "Unable to find a
source package for pywebkitgtk".
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2707 [18:59:19] <missmbob> besides you should actually have real
configuration management. like etckeeper.
2708 [18:59:36] <scottg_> uh
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2714 [18:59:46] <scottg_> I never even said what kind of cfg mgmt
i have
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2716 [19:00:22] <missmbob> you're a special one. you're
still in the wrong place
2717 [19:00:51] <scottg_> lol just looked up this shit, have fun
with that neckbeardy solution
2718 [19:01:23] <missmbob> yeah. git is real old school
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2724 [19:03:32] <petn-randall> scottg_: Since you're running
on Ubuntu, please ask in #ubuntu.
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2726 [19:03:51] <scottg_> already have
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2728 [19:04:02] <scottg_> I figured I would ask here too since
ubuntu uses debians versioning
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2730 [19:04:16] <scottg_>
replaced-url
2731 [19:04:19] <scottg_> This specifically
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2733 [19:04:39] <greycat> Repeating yourself to justify asking the
wrong channel...
2734 [19:05:01] <sm00th> what is a config manager?
2735 [19:05:02] <biberao> damn i thought i was somewhere else
2736 [19:05:09] <scottg_> It is a justification, thanks
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2738 [19:05:13] <petn-randall> scottg_: That's irrelevant
though, we only help Debian users in here for a number of technical
and social reasons.
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2740 [19:05:40] <scottg_> That's fine
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2742 [19:06:20] <petn-randall> scottg_: Ubuntu for example
_doesn't_ patch the same as Debian does. Often they will push a
new upstream version of e.g. MySQL to their LTS.
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2749 [19:10:18] <missmbob> petn-randall: i know we had to do that
was samba...but seriously, that's how they normally do things
with LTS? fuck me
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2751 [19:10:50] <greycat> Debian has done that with bind9 a few
times, too.
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2769 [19:14:50] <arielsanflo> hello
2770 [19:15:08] <arielsanflo> please repositorios de debian sid
2771 [19:15:15] <petn-randall> Debian does it, too, but we're
a lot more hesitant than Ubuntu. At least that is what my gut
feeling says.
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2775 [19:15:45] <petn-randall> arielsanflo: How far did you get
with your own research?
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2777 [19:16:00] <missmbob> !sid sources.list
2778 [19:16:00] <dpkg> If you don't know enough about Debian
to do this yourself, you won't know enough about Debian to fix
the problems you *will* encounter. Please spend some months or years
learning about Debian first. Sorry.
2779 [19:16:46] <JordiGH> I'm having a weird graphical bug,
where when a window updates its contents, it will flip back and
forth between the previous contents of the window and the update,
every second or so.
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2782 [19:17:23] <arielsanflo> my english is so so
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2784 [19:17:33] <arielsanflo> i am from colombia
2785 [19:17:37] <missmbob> !es
2786 [19:17:38] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
#debian-es en la línea de chat.
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2794 [19:18:12] <arielsanflo> no obtengo respuesta en este canal
debian-es
2795 [19:18:19] <nkuttler> JordiGH: almost sounds like a hardware
problem
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2797 [19:18:34] <Denommus> npm2deb asks me to publish my npm
package into the registry, but the pckage is private
2798 [19:18:38] <teraflops> ingresar? seriously? are we talking
about hospitals?
2799 [19:18:39] <Denommus> what could I do?
2800 [19:18:46] <greycat> Well, we don't support sid here.
That's in #debian-next on irc.debian.org
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2802 [19:18:54] <JordiGH> nkuttler: It happened with a Linux
upgrade, to 4.7, I think.
2803 [19:19:09] <nkuttler> JordiGH: well, then downgrade :)
2804 [19:19:13] <arielsanflo> hay llegue
2805 [19:19:15] <arielsanflo>
replaced-url
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2808 [19:19:22] <JordiGH> arielsanflo: ahí, no hay
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2810 [19:19:52] <missmbob> oh that's gonna be fun. that blog
includes experimental.
2811 [19:19:58] <arielsanflo> mi pregunta es debo colocar todos
esos
2812 [19:19:58] <missmbob> and deb-multimedia
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2814 [19:20:17] <arielsanflo> yo agradezco mucho su ayuda
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2816 [19:20:29] <arielsanflo> perdon no hablar en ingles
2817 [19:20:32] <teraflops> arielsanflo: stop using random shit
blogs
2818 [19:20:47] <greycat> Also stop using sid.
2819 [19:20:51] <missmbob> use the spanish channel like we said.
it's not hard.
2820 [19:21:04] <greycat> He claimed that he didn't get a
response.
2821 [19:21:07] <JordiGH> missmbob: he said nobody answered in
there.
2822 [19:21:12] <JordiGH> In Spanish.
2823 [19:21:15] <arielsanflo> for good
2824 [19:21:15] <missmbob> damn shame
2825 [19:21:28] <teraflops> missmbob: wel
2826 [19:21:32] <teraflops> oops
2827 [19:21:41] <teraflops> missmbob: why?
2828 [19:21:50] <arielsanflo> no lo volvere a hacer
2829 [19:21:52] <arielsanflo> garcias
2830 [19:21:56] <teraflops> it's holiday
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2832 [19:22:11] <JordiGH> arielsanflo: No creo que obtenga ayuda
aquí en castellano. Será necesario hablar ingles. (I
don't think you'll get help here in Spanish. You will have
to speak English.)
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2835 [19:22:29] <arielsanflo> understand
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2837 [19:22:44] <teraflops> arielsanflo: also be patient
2838 [19:23:16] <JordiGH> arielsanflo: Otra opción es
esperar en #debian-es y ser más paciente allá.
(Another option is to wait in #debian-es and be more patient.)
2839 [19:23:17] <arielsanflo> yes
2840 [19:23:32] <arielsanflo> muchas gracias
2841 [19:23:37] <arielsanflo> por su tiempo
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2845 [19:26:17] <arielsanflo>
replaced-url
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2847 [19:26:27] <arielsanflo> mis repositorios
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2850 [19:26:55] <missmbob> wow
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2855 [19:27:25] <missmbob> even if he spoke english i wouldnt
touch that
2856 [19:27:51] <missmbob> 165 lines. that has to be a new record
2857 [19:27:56] <arielsanflo> uname -r
2858 [19:27:56] <arielsanflo> 4.7.0-1-amd64
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2862 [19:28:46] <arielsanflo> Linux arielsanflo 4.7.0-1-amd64 #1
SMP Debian 4.7.8-1 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2864 [19:30:02] <jkt> hi there, is there a catch-all shotgun
approach for silencing all lintian errors? something like
'override_dh_auto_lintian:\n\ttrue'
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2866 [19:30:43] <petn-randall> Apparently someone applied to
Pokemon catch phrase to Debian repositories ...
2867 [19:31:24] <teraflops> arielsanflo: you don't have to
put every damn debian repo in your sources.list
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2869 [19:31:56] <missmbob> 3 or 4 times even. do much wrong
2870 [19:32:03] <missmbob> so*
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2873 [19:32:29] <arielsanflo> teraflops yes
2874 [19:32:39] <teraflops> isn't a factoid for that?
2875 [19:32:44] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
2876 [19:32:44] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
2877 [19:32:46] <arielsanflo> i like delete
2878 [19:33:00] <petn-randall> If the language barrier is a
problem, #debian-es might be better.
2879 [19:33:00] <arielsanflo> lo que no me sirven
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2882 [19:33:53] <missmbob> someone tell him they not answering
right away wont make us magically speak spanish?
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2888 [19:35:45] <cruncher> well, some speak spanish, but maybe
dont want to give support in spanish
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2890 [19:36:09] <cruncher> or cant
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2893 [19:36:50] <greycat> If he has mixed jessie and anything
later, then it's already too late. He should pick either sid or
stretch, nuke all the other sources, dist-upgrade, and move to
#debian-next
2894 [19:36:57] <greycat> We can't support a frankendebian.
Nobody can.
2895 [19:37:15] <arielsanflo> find thanks
2896 [19:37:18] <arielsanflo> delete
2897 [19:37:28] <arielsanflo> repositbaorios que no necesita
2898 [19:37:37] <arielsanflo> repositorios que no necesitava
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2918 [19:52:19] <Razva> guys, can you please take a look at this:
replaced-url
2919 [19:53:01] <Razva> full error log here:
replaced-url
2920 [19:53:06] <Denommus> can npm2deb be used without publishing
my package to the registry?
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2930 [19:57:28] <rattking> Razva: "crit: Unable to get local
IP address" looks to be the problem.. and a quick search for
that turns up
replaced-url
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2949 [20:01:28] <Razva> rattking well, it's a test
environment at my home, where I have a dynamic IP which I cannot
resolve...
2950 [20:01:44] <Razva> in /etc/hosts I have 127.0.1.1 pmx-local
2951 [20:01:50] <Razva> and localhost
2952 [20:01:55] <Razva> IPv6 is commented
2953 [20:01:56] <teraflops> Razva: it looks like you're using
proxmoxVE, that's a 3rd party repo, so at this point
you're not using debian
2954 [20:02:13] * Razva facepalms
2955 [20:02:52] <teraflops> Razva: I meant, it's fine
proxmoxVE is awesome but it's not debian
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2963 [20:04:23] <Razva> yeah, it seems that Proxmox is so
"smart", it needs to have a hostname reverse of
the...ehm...lan IP, in hosts :|
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2969 [20:05:10] <Razva> horray for the 4th install.
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2971 [20:05:36] <teraflops> Razva: there's a nice wiki:
replaced-url
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2974 [20:05:52] <greycat> !proxmox
2975 [20:05:53] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is
a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a
virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is
not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial
proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see
##replaced-url
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2981 [20:08:31] <Razva> somebody should correct the bot
2982 [20:08:37] <Razva> it's LXC > OpenVZ
2983 [20:09:02] <greycat> you mean s/OpenVZ/LCX/ ?
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2986 [20:10:05] <Razva> [...] providing a virtualization platform
with <LMX> and <KVM>. [...]
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2990 [20:10:47] <Razva> *LXC
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2992 [20:11:19] <greycat> dpkg, proxmox =~ s/OpenVZ/LXC/
2993 [20:11:20] <dpkg> greycat: OK
2994 [20:11:21] <greycat> Thus?
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3000 [20:13:26] <fernie> Razva: hmmh, this one fresh proxmox box
has in /etc/hosts: x.x.x.x hostname.domain hostname pvelocalhost
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3002 [20:13:51] <fernie> is it the pvelocalhost alias that it is
looking for..
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3008 [20:15:38] <SpeakFreely> Has anyone managed to successfully
get an nvidia pascal card working on Jessie?
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3051 [20:28:50] <candidat__> i love debian
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3079 [20:41:01] <jelly> Razva: isn't it both, when did they
add LXC?
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3103 [20:51:41] <MikeWorth> I'm currently using a machine
with onboard wired networking and a pci wifi card. Every couple of
minutes some deamon turns on an eth0:avahi interface that breaks the
wifi connection. I've tried meddling with
/etc/network/interfaces and stopping the avahi-daemon via systemctrl
but it keeps happening. Anyone seen this before and/or know how to
stop it?
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3114 [20:56:03] <akk> MikeWorth: Do you need avahi? Maybe just
remove it?
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3120 [20:58:19] <MikeWorth> akk: there are loads of apt-cache
search results for avahi; will just nuking avahi-daemon do it?
3121 [20:58:19] <MikeWorth> or is it avahi-autoipd that's
doing it?
3122 [20:58:19] <MikeWorth> or should I go mental and remove
anything that mentions it? Is that likely to cause major issues?
3123 [20:58:44] <Razva> jelly they moved from OpenVZ to LXC a year
ago, when upgrading to 4
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3126 [20:59:15] <Razva> OpenVZ is dead, it's being replaced
by Parallels with Virtuozzo 7 which is based on OpenVZ 7
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3129 [20:59:53] <akk> Do you actually have loads of avahi packages
installed? When I aptitude search avahi I see a lot (35) but most of
them are libraries
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3131 [21:00:32] <akk> looks like only 6 packages that aren't
-- are all of them installed? (I don't have any installed
here.)
3132 [21:00:54] <akk> I have some of the libavahi packages
installed, I guess something must have dependencies on that.
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3136 [21:01:56] <sm00th> MikeWorth, uninstalling avahi-daemon
doesn't break anything you can always put it back if you need
it for something
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3143 [21:04:26] <akk> Anybody know what might cause "Unable
to find a source package" from aot-get source?
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3145 [21:04:33] <akk> I thought everything in debian had to have
source available.
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3147 [21:05:01] <MikeWorth> There were several installed,
avahi-daemon amongst them; I've just purged it and am waiting
to see if that's worked...
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3149 [21:05:56] <MikeWorth> nope, that didn't work; I assume
I can safely get rid of avahi-autoipd?
3150 [21:06:16] <TomTomTosch> akk: missing the deb-src line for
the right repo? and the name of the binary package and the source
package are not always the same.
3151 [21:06:29] <MikeWorth> that is the only process returned by
ps -e | grep avahi when the interface is broken
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3158 [21:07:08] <sm00th> MikeWorth, what if you just manually
assign an ip to the wifi connection?
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3163 [21:08:47] <MikeWorth> sm00th: will that help? When it's
broken wlan0 still has an IP, but I think all my traffic goes via
the eth0:avahi interface even though there's nothing connected
to it? (Well, maybe not - I'm a little bit past my networking
knowledge)
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3166 [21:09:39] <sm00th> MikeWorth, worth a shot
3167 [21:10:06] <sm00th> if you manually give it an ip that might
make the etho:avahi interface disappear id unno why you getting that
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3169 [21:10:16] <sm00th> unless it again doesn't not connect
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3171 [21:10:29] <MikeWorth> I suspect the horribly different
subnets between avahi and wifi interfaces are screwing everything
up?
3172 [21:11:13] <sm00th> i'm nto sure what you mean, the
avahi is there to automatically get an ip
3173 [21:11:28] <sm00th> and it must be failing for some reason
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3175 [21:11:47] <sm00th> you using NetworkManager right?
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3180 [21:14:14] <sm00th> I think avahi also used for printer
discovery of certain protocols, not sure what else.
3181 [21:14:28] <MikeWorth> I'm using the networkmanager
applet to configure the wifi; does that answer the question?
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3184 [21:14:51] <sm00th> yes, so it means you didn't manually
edit any config files i assume
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3186 [21:15:08] <sm00th> ya you can go in there and manually
assign an ip and see if that stops the issue
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3190 [21:15:50] <MikeWorth> I could well have done at some point -
this install was done years ago and I've meddled with various
things in that time
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3192 [21:16:02] <sm00th> oh
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3195 [21:16:18] <sm00th> so it might mean your
/etc/network/interfaces file is not correct possibly
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3201 [21:17:45] <sm00th> I always set manual connection on my wifi
anyways. I only connect to one network.
3202 [21:17:50] <MikeWorth> the wlan0 interface keeps it's
good IP even when the eth0:avahi interface appears and breaks
things. The wlan0 gets 192.168.0.4 from the router dhcp and
eth0:avahi decides it'll use 169.254.7.158 (well it did last
time anyway)
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3206 [21:19:05] <MikeWorth> I have tried adding a like to that to
prevent eth0 coming up, I have probably got that wrong. Is there a
good way to either achieve that or reset that config to default?
3207 [21:19:24] <MikeWorth> *line
3208 [21:19:26] <sm00th> adding a like?
3209 [21:19:29] <sm00th> oh
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3212 [21:20:48] <sm00th> eth0 is normally the wired connection
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3215 [21:20:58] <sm00th> are you connected wired too?
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3217 [21:21:14] <MikeWorth> I know, I don't have a wired
connection
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3219 [21:21:22] <sm00th> i thought you said your pc had both?
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3221 [21:21:31] <MikeWorth> I figured that disabling it would stop
it rocking up to the party and breaking things
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3223 [21:21:35] <sm00th> maybe its trying to connect even though
its unhplugged
3224 [21:21:44] <sm00th> how did you go about disabling it?
3225 [21:21:46] <MikeWorth> I have one on the mobo, but nothing
plugged in
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3228 [21:22:03] <sm00th> Oh shit i have to go meet someone at the
bus stop
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3231 [21:22:15] <sm00th> sorry man someone should definitely help
you. I think either you should assign manual ip's
3232 [21:22:20] <MikeWorth> OK, thanks for the help
3233 [21:22:25] <sm00th> or maybe the ethernet controller not
disbled. bbiab
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3251 [21:33:54] <MikeWorth> For anyone still listening, I seem to
have stopped it by purging the avahi-autoip package
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3262 [21:38:07] <sl4v3> is S3 a reasonable place to store web
server private keys?
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3265 [21:38:42] <dondelelcaro> sl4v3: SSL keys?
3266 [21:38:49] <mutante> as a backup?
3267 [21:39:09] <dondelelcaro> sl4v3: why not use letsencrypt and
not store the keys anywhere?
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3269 [21:39:48] <greycat> "Should I store my most sensitive
secret data in the clutches of a gigantic corporation that's
best known for stifling all their competition by abusing patent
law?"
3270 [21:39:51] <mutante> letsencrypt, yeah! or you can
gpg-encrypt your key before uploading it
3271 [21:40:08] <mutante> (but dont store the secring on S3 :)
3272 [21:40:14] <keltim> sl4v3, not really, better places come to
mind immediately
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3274 [21:40:18] <ExoUNX> dondelelcaro uhh what? the private and
public keys are not stored on LE servers...
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3276 [21:40:37] <dondelelcaro> ExoUNX: "and *not* store the
keys"
3277 [21:40:58] <sl4v3> dondelelcaro, keltim: i totes agree.
3278 [21:41:01] <ExoUNX> dondelelcaro well you need to store the
keys
3279 [21:41:19] <dondelelcaro> ExoUNX: on the webserver, sure. But
no where else
3280 [21:41:30] <dondelelcaro> and you can potentially regenerate
them whenever you need them
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3282 [21:41:36] <sl4v3> i'm in a catch 22. like, so far
i've been using external docker volumes to store the certs that
are picked up by other containers that launch on the box.
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3284 [21:41:42] <ExoUNX> dondelelcaro ok, was having a hard time
understanding what you were trying to say
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3286 [21:41:51] <sl4v3> but i don't see how i can use that
strategy using any other orchestration mechanism, like ECS for
instance.
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3288 [21:42:09] <sl4v3> so i'm trying to figure out what
would be a good model for our sites going forward.
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3290 [21:42:53] <keltim> sl4v3, it'd be ok if the bucket were
locked down and all that ... but I can see someone messing with the
perms, right now we store them in git, they're decrypted when
needed
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3295 [21:43:31] <sl4v3> i'm just not sure how i can bootstrap
a docker container to use the certs without it turning into a real
hack.
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3300 [21:43:54] <sl4v3> keltim: we have them in ansible encrypted,
which is in git. but that's somewhat orthogonal to our docker
workloads.
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3303 [21:45:24] <dondelelcaro> sl4v3: hrm, and it's not
reasonable to generate they keys during the bootstrapping I guess.
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3305 [21:45:51] <keltim> sl4v3, I have not tried, but I *think*
you can store ssl keys in IAM (as an encryption key)
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3308 [21:46:45] <keltim> n/m
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3311 [21:47:33] <Sazpaimon_> How can I change an mdadm array from
/dev/sd* to /dev/disk/by-id/*?
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3313 [21:47:39] <sl4v3> dondelelcaro: well they're not
self-signed.
3314 [21:47:47] <Sazpaimon_> and can i do such a thing live?
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3316 [21:48:34] <dondelelcaro> sl4v3: yeah; if you're not
using a CA infrastructure which allows that, it's a problem.
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3320 [21:49:17] <sl4v3> i have no idea how to handle my secrets
sanely and safely. *peak confusion* :(
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3325 [21:49:55] <dondelelcaro> sl4v3: those two objectives are
almost always in conflict with eachother
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3327 [21:50:06] <stew> sl4v3: we are moving everything to
hashicorp vault + consul-template for this type of thing, it can
even be the thing the generates the ssl certs on the fly
3328 [21:50:19] <sl4v3> stew: vault is definitely interesting.
3329 [21:50:23] <dondelelcaro> stew: huh; neat
3330 [21:50:33] <keltim> that's probably the best product ive
seen for it
3331 [21:50:33] <stew> dondelelcaro: hello there :)
3332 [21:50:37] <keltim> (vault)
3333 [21:50:40] <sl4v3> stew: tried to get going there with some
docs, but just confusing.
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3335 [21:51:14] <maily> stew: ssl certs on the fly? you don't
mean letsencrypt/acme - but local ca certs?
3336 [21:52:02] <dondelelcaro> Sazpaimon_: I'm not sure that
you need to do that if you have 1.2 style metadata?
3337 [21:52:17] <dondelelcaro> Sazpaimon_: I could be wrong, but I
thought it looked for members with the right UUIDs
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3342 [21:53:01] <stew> maily: you would give vault an intermediate
ca so that it could create certs, then when someone requests a cert,
vault generates a short lived cert on the spot when it gets an
authorized request
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3344 [21:53:18] <maily> ah I see
3345 [21:53:33] <maily> stew: yes, I also plan to use vault, but
first I need to get consul + friends running :)
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3347 [21:53:58] <stew> yeah, consul is the place to start for sure
:)
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3349 [21:54:17] <Sazpaimon_> dondelelcaro: these are 0.9 arrays
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3351 [21:54:49] <sl4v3> stew: my problem with consul is the
overhead i have to justify having it. like, i can see it's
gravy, but if i just start spinning up instances, i'll get
spanked.
3352 [21:54:49] <dondelelcaro> Sazpaimon_: oh
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3360 [21:55:47] <Sazpaimon_> I made these arrays a long time ago
and needed bash support and didn't feel like using an initramfs
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3366 [21:56:24] <unborn> stew: hi,, what ca you are talking about
- anyway ?
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3371 [21:59:26] <dondelelcaro> Sazpaimon_: ah; not sure. I think
you can upgrade the superblock, but it's been a very long time
since I've worked with an 0.9 array, so my knowledge is suspect
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3375 [21:59:52] <Sazpaimon_> will i be able to use a 1.x array
without initramfs?
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3377 [22:00:13] <Sazpaimon_> I think that's still required
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3379 [22:01:05] <Sazpaimon_> I'm guessing this isn't
gonna be possible to with the current members of the array, but I
can add new members using the id i guess
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3382 [22:02:29] <Sazpaimon_> reason this happened was my raid1
array secondary drive got reseated by the hosting company i use, and
it went from sdb to sdc. I'd like to use the disk id so on the
off chance it happens again mdadm should pick it up
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3389 [22:05:34] <Polarina> Hi. Something is causing my monitors to
go blank and enter sleep mode after 10 minutes of inactivity. Is
there a way to determine what is causing this and how to disable it?
I have the GNOME desktop environment.
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3396 [22:06:23] <Polarina> Going to Settings -> Power ->
Power Saving -> Blank Screen and setting the value to
"Never" seems to have no effect.
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3432 [22:17:17] <missmbob> Polarina: you could use caffeine. i
dont know how gnome does anything but caffeine in gnome would do
what you want.
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3437 [22:18:11] <missmbob> ,v gnome-shell-extension-caffeine/
3438 [22:18:12] <judd> No package named
'gnome-shell-extension-caffeine/' was found in amd64.
3439 [22:18:13] <missmbob> ,v gnome-shell-extension-caffeine
3440 [22:18:14] <judd> Package: gnome-shell-extension-caffeine on
amd64 -- sid: 0~git20160329-3; stretch: 0~git20160329-3
3441 [22:18:29] <missmbob> ,v caffeine
3442 [22:18:30] <judd> Package: caffeine on amd64 -- sid: 2.8.3-3;
stretch: 2.8.3-3
3443 [22:18:41] <missmbob> jesus christ jessie gets no love
3444 [22:18:55] <missmbob> ,checkbackport caffeine
3445 [22:18:56] <judd> Backporting package caffeine in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
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3447 [22:19:46] <missmbob> ,checkbackport
gnome-shell-extension-caffeine
3448 [22:19:47] <judd> Backporting package
gnome-shell-extension-caffeine in sid→jessie/amd64: all
build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
3449 [22:19:51] <missmbob> choices you have
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3459 [22:24:47] <Polarina> missmbob, I'll take a look.
Thanks.
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3503 [22:44:00] <maily> hi
3504 [22:44:33] <maily> so I see a bit strange hostname for last
ssh login :/
3505 [22:44:37] <maily> and still logged in it says
3506 [22:44:42] <maily> maybe it is myself, hmm
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3508 [22:44:53] <Razva> folks, when doing a bridge in Debian,
where in the world do I set the route? like...vmbr0 should route
through eth0 (which is static). any hints if you don't mind?
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3510 [22:45:04] <maily> hmm, apparently it is me then :/
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3512 [22:45:45] <sl4v3> have you guys checked out Amazon ACM?
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3540 [22:57:45] <jibberjabber> im the elf lord. the wicked witch
stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana
machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to
release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there.
its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and
have a nice day.
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3545 [22:59:21] <jibberjabber> im the elf lord. the wicked witch
stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana
machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to
release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there.
its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and
have a nice day.
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3548 [23:00:06] <jibberjabber> im the elf lord. the wicked witch
stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana
machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to
release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there.
its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and
have a nice day.
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3551 [23:01:03] <KINgGh0sT> What package do I use for Ati support
on stretch?
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3554 [23:01:33] <jibberjabber> KINgGh0sT we need your help
3555 [23:01:38] <jibberjabber> to recover the banana machine
3556 [23:01:42] <jibberjabber> im the elf lord. the wicked witch
stole my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana
machine or i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to
release the monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there.
its all avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and
have a nice day.
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3565 [23:05:30] <elflord> im the elf lord. the wicked witch stole
my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana machine or
i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to release the
monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there. its all
avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and have a
nice day.
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3570 [23:06:34] <Parrhesiastes> how can one set tab size? source
'tabs 4' from bashrc but it doesnt work
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3576 [23:08:15] <elflord> im the elf lord. the wicked witch stole
my banana machine and i need it back. give me the banana machine or
i'll release the monkeys. u don't want me to release the
monkeys. they crawl up your butt and build a nest there. its all
avoidable if u just give me the dam banana machine. thx and have a
nice day.
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3598 [23:14:15] <elflord> im back
3599 [23:14:29] <elflord> i need my banana machine
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3601 [23:15:00] <johnkeates> is that a euphemism
3602 [23:15:03] <elflord> no
3603 [23:15:18] <elflord> it feeds the monkeys
3604 [23:15:21] <elflord> i am the elf lord
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3606 [23:15:35] <johnkeates> i guess you can't have my banana
machine then.
3607 [23:15:38] <elflord> it is my responsibility to make sure the
monkeys are fed
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3609 [23:15:52] <elflord> therefore i must have the banana machine
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3611 [23:16:00] <Razva> elflord what about the quantum banana
duplificator?
3612 [23:16:31] <Razva> you can teleport bananas from a parallel
universe in an infinite quantity.
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3630 [23:26:02] <OS-23606> s
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3655 [23:37:50] <bsilvereagle> has anyone had success with
pepperflash lately? I just tried, and it seems that
libpepflashplayer.so is no longer included in the google chrome
*.deb that is being downloaded
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3664 [23:41:07] <th0r> bsilvereagle, I believe I read something
about google moving from flash to html5
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3669 [23:42:17] <bsilvereagle> hmmm. So that makes Chrome
incapable of playing flash content without adobe's player which
the last I read isn't supported on Linux?
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3673 [23:42:59] <bsilvereagle>
replaced-url
3674 [23:43:04] <bsilvereagle> confirms what I just discovere
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3680 [23:44:08] <th0r> bsilvereagle, I admit I haven't taken
a lot of interest in following the story, but flash has been out of
favour for a while...it is only a matter of time before it is
history
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3685 [23:45:33] <bsilvereagle> The long tail is long
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3704 [23:54:12] <Polarina> missmbob, caffeine didn't seem to
do the trick.
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3706 [23:55:37] <sl4v3> anyone got any bananas?
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