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44 [00:39:01] <SPX> hi debian gurus how do I change my keyboard
input to georgian language
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53 [00:42:51] <Elon_Sat0shi> hello
54 [00:43:05] <Elon_Sat0shi> SPX: what DE are you using?
55 [00:43:31] <SPX> lxde
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79 [01:09:53] <Freeaqingme> Howdy, I've got a Debian 10
(server) install that displays on every apt-get invocation
"Error: timeout was reached". I deduced that it's due
to the packagekit integration. What's the most logical way of
fixing it? I could just delete the file from /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
and call it a day, but I may lose some functionality?
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98 [01:20:32] <LaurentDumont> Freeaqingme: Not too sure but
I'm surprised at something as basic as APT failing in a General
Release.
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100 [01:21:01] <LaurentDumont> I'm seeing some really old
reports from 2013-2014 blaming packagekit.
101 [01:21:05] <Freeaqingme> LaurentDumont: it does work. It just
prints the error
102 [01:21:33] <Freeaqingme> but everything works just fine.
There's a check to see if it works, and that check outputs it
to stderr or something
103 [01:21:34] <LaurentDumont> Ah, I see. One of the bug
mentioned that.
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105 [01:22:08] <Freeaqingme> I must admit it's not entirely
a GA release, it's proxmox 6. but I do not expect them to have
modified this part (didn't verify it either)
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107 [01:22:45] <Freeaqingme> the packagekit integration appears
to be some ubuntu innovation that was backported to Debian, if I
understand correctly
108 [01:23:16] <LaurentDumont> I'm running Proxmox 6 as well
and did not see that on the 4 nodes I upgraded.
109 [01:23:18] <LaurentDumont>
replaced-url
110 [01:23:19] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
111 [01:23:33] <LaurentDumont> Can you try -
/usr/lib/packagekit/packagekitd --verbose
112 [01:23:56] <LaurentDumont> Looks like he removed the DB after
: rm -f /var/lib/PackageKit/transactions.db and redid an
"apt-get update".
113 [01:24:05] <LaurentDumont> Maybe take a backup of the file
first ;)
114 [01:25:21] <Freeaqingme> I'm running hte command as we
speak, but there's been no output for a full minute. Last line
is "clearing download cache at
/var/cache/PackageKit/downloads"
115 [01:25:31] <Freeaqingme> it looks like it's going to
itmeout, at some point
116 [01:26:07] <Freeaqingme> This is the line that is invoked by
apt, I think: /usr/bin/gdbus call --system --dest
org.freedesktop.PackageKit --object-path /org/freedesktop/PackageKit
--timeout 4 --method org.freedesktop.PackageKit.StateHasChanged
cache-update
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120 [01:28:28] <Freeaqingme> But, packagekit really looks like a
tool to support GUI's. Does one even need it on a server?
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122 [01:30:38] <LaurentDumont> I'm not sure. I had never
seen the term before today.
123 [01:30:47] <LaurentDumont> It doesn't seem to be on my
Proxmox 6 install
124 [01:30:47] <LaurentDumont> root@bacon:~# dpkg -l | grep
packagekit
125 [01:30:47] <LaurentDumont> root@bacon:~# ^C
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128 [01:32:27] <LaurentDumont> Could try this too -
replaced-url
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131 [01:32:43] <LaurentDumont> Did you install Proxmox 6 with the
pre-made ISO? Or a Debian 10 transformed into a Proxmox?
132 [01:33:05] <LaurentDumont> I would be curious to know at what
point the package was added.
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149 [01:39:09] <annadane> your computer is called bacon? :D
150 [01:39:13] <Freeaqingme> LaurentDumont: this is installed
using the premade iso. But I did run my Puppet install on it. Let me
see if I can find out when/why it was installed
151 [01:39:32] <Freeaqingme> I'm not doing anything specific
with packaged in my puppet stuff, but it could of course be a
dependency of something
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153 [01:39:45] <Freeaqingme> the lack of google results makes it
likely that it's very specific in a way to my situation
154 [01:39:47] <LaurentDumont> Of course! I have bacon,
superbacon, ultrabacon and morebacon as Proxmox Hypervisors :D
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156 [01:40:17] <LaurentDumont> Yeah, I'm surprised it errors
out - especially with bugs from 2012.
157 [01:40:30] <Freeaqingme> Aah, I install
software-properties-common to support PPA's
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159 [01:41:00] <Freeaqingme> that has packagekit as a recommends
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163 [01:41:33] <Freeaqingme> I did do some stracing, but
couldn't find out immediately why it hangs. Suppose I'll
just remove it, and install software-properties-common without the
recommended packages
164 [01:41:47] <LaurentDumont> Sounds good to me.
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172 [01:45:02] <Freeaqingme> thanks :)
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193 [01:51:26] <hatter__> When doing an OS upgrade, if I
didn't install the maintainers conf file, where can I find it ?
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196 [01:52:14] <warsoul> if i install freebsd on a ssd it will
apear on my grub to be bootable?
197 [01:52:58] <Guest90dcb> high
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200 [01:54:00] <Miles8of9> what do i need to configure while or
after installing debian on an ssd?
201 [01:54:01] <Guest90dcb> what about STEAM devops full live
distro gaming
202 [01:54:26] <Guest90dcb> sharing pre-installed $HOME
203 [01:54:37] <Guest90dcb> repo games
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206 [01:54:57] <nvz> is there free stuff on steam for linux?
207 [01:55:17] <nvz> or is it just all commercial games?
208 [01:55:34] <Miles8of9> steam os is interesting but you need
to install it and replace your debian...
209 [01:55:48] <Guest90dcb> steam distribute mixed digital
content
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211 [01:55:59] <nvz> I have steam on the debian box I setup as a
gaming thing, but I didnt check it out cause I dont have an account
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213 [01:56:21] <Freeaqingme> nvz: I run the steam app on ubuntu.
I haven't noticed any content being offered for free, but there
could be some software in there that happens to be free
214 [01:56:22] <nvz> and I'm not really into gaming I
can't see spending money on games anytime in the near future :P
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216 [01:56:57] <Miles8of9> no good games for linux...
unfortunately :|
217 [01:56:59] <Freeaqingme> but if you're looking for free
as in beer and foss software, all you need to do is check out
debian's own repo's
218 [01:57:12] <Guest90dcb> its an option point the strict LIVE
DISTRO GAMING, maybe someone contact them
219 [01:57:14] <Freeaqingme> some favorites of mine are 0ad and
flightgear
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223 [01:57:47] <hgjjhgk> anyone from sydney
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226 [01:58:15] <joepublic> gratis is distinct from free
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228 [01:58:30] <nvz> what most people call a good game these
days, I find tiresome :P when I do play a game I just want something
simple, intuitive, and non-commital.. that I dont have to spend an
hour in a tutorial, then sucked into a story that takes 7000 hours
229 [01:58:50] <Freeaqingme> nvz: try 0ad
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231 [01:59:04] <joepublic> Syndey population: 4,391,674 .
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234 [01:59:22] <nvz> I may have tried that.. I played hedgewars,
bzflag, assault cube.. etc.. things I can just get into a game and
get out as needed
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238 [02:00:00] <nvz> ah no I haven't tried 0ad.. looks a bit
like the first two warcraft games
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242 [02:00:14] <Freeaqingme> joepublic: that's awfully
accurate ;)
243 [02:00:36] <joepublic> it's probably a little low/out of
date
244 [02:00:36] <Freeaqingme> nvz: I found it while looking for
something like age of empires
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280 [02:17:40] <hatter__> When did virtualbox stop being in
Debian ? Was it in jessie then out for stretch ?
281 [02:17:52] <ksk> !virtualbox
282 [02:17:52] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free
software virtual machine solution. To install, see
replaced-url
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284 [02:18:40] <hatter__> it was in debian proper though at some
stage,
285 [02:18:51] <warsoul> trying to install another OS on my pc
286 [02:18:57] <warsoul> have 2 HD free
287 [02:19:07] <warsoul> how do i know witch are free?
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289 [02:19:46] <hatter__> warsoul, do you mean the disks are
installed in your PC and you don't know which is which ?
290 [02:19:56] <joepublic> hatter__, the link that explains is
replaced-url
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292 [02:20:09] <hatter__> ksk, joepublic, thx
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294 [02:21:05] <hatter__> aha, thx, says it all there.
295 [02:21:28] <warsoul> hatter__ yes
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297 [02:21:41] <hatter__> fdisk /dev/sda
298 [02:21:47] <hatter__> or fdisk /dev/sdb etc
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300 [02:22:05] <hatter__> df
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303 [02:22:22] <hatter__> will show you which drives are mounted
304 [02:22:40] <warsoul> fdisk not found
305 [02:23:05] <warsoul> sudo apt install fdisk?
306 [02:23:05] <hatter__> warsoul, you are booted into a debian
box ?
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308 [02:23:14] <warsoul> hatter__ yes
309 [02:23:43] <hatter__> um, I always thought fdisk was part of
the base install, somebody else may comment
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311 [02:25:01] <warsoul> fdisk is already the newest version
(2.33.1-0.1).
312 [02:25:04] <warsoul> it is installed
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315 [02:25:29] <joepublic> fdisk is in /sbin, so in root's
path, not a normal user's path
316 [02:25:40] <hatter__> warsoul, I think if you are wondering
how to use fdisk, perhaps you should do some reading up on linux
first
317 [02:25:44] <hatter__> fdisk can ruin your day.
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319 [02:26:26] <Guest90dcb> please debian team, optionnaly point
and link to a figure image bootloader|shadow hash password
320 [02:26:26] <hatter__> as joepulbic just said, perhaps you are
not root.
321 [02:26:32] <warsoul> root@debian:/home/warsoul# fdisk
/dev/sda
322 [02:26:33] <warsoul> bash: fdisk: command not found
323 [02:27:31] <Guest90dcb> point and link to a figure image
bootloader|shadow hash password tagged
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336 [02:43:57] <lenswipe> hey yall
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338 [02:44:23] <lenswipe> My laptop went to sleep. I woke it up
and now I have no audio. Just a "dummy audio" device.
I've tried rebooting and the problem is still there
339 [02:44:26] <lenswipe> whats going on
340 [02:44:51] <lenswipe> sudo lspci -vv | grep -i audio shows
00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 9d71 (rev 21)
(prog-if 80)
341 [02:44:55] <Guest90dcb> point and link to a figure image
bootloader|shadow hash password dynamic random tagged
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343 [02:45:19] <lenswipe> wat
344 [02:45:45] <joepublic> Guest90dcb is babbling about something
unrelated
345 [02:46:18] <maxtim> lenswipe, i've had issues in the
past with intel audio, I believe they're proprietary.
346 [02:46:50] <maxtim> is it a dell? (just curious)
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351 [02:58:18] <LtL> !timidity pulseaudio
352 [02:58:19] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity>
blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio>
only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with
'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with
'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity'
and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
353 [02:58:58] <LtL> lenswipe: ^^^^
354 [02:59:34] <maxtim> I'm over in virtualbox channel as
well, but not getting much action. Can I ask here, despite it being
slightly off topic (it is Debian 10 host)?
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359 [03:06:21] <LtL> warsoul: type 'whereis fdisk', if
you haven't figured it out yet
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372 [03:19:11] <Guest74> helol pippo's
373 [03:19:23] <dvs> ???
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375 [03:19:56] <Guest74> i think debian is missing, libinput
logged active session foreground recaptcha hid
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377 [03:21:38] <Guest74> manycast suggestions are crit
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391 [03:26:03] <Guest74> libinput logged active session
foreground recaptcha hid login program off lined xclusive
392 [03:27:13] <lenswipe> maxtim, yes it is
393 [03:27:28] <lenswipe> LtL, Yeah, I uninstalled timidity a
while ago
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396 [03:28:34] <lenswipe> LtL, timidity was running...but
apparently not installed
397 [03:28:34] <lenswipe> wat
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399 [03:28:58] <maxtim> So I created a .vmdk using `sudo
vboxmanage` and I noticed that it's the exact same size as the
usb i grabbed the raw from. Couldn't i just use `dd` to create
an iso and boot from that in Oracle's VirtualBox?
400 [03:29:17] <maxtim> lenswipe, you installed the proprietary
drivers?
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403 [03:29:49] <lenswipe> maxtim, nope
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410 [03:34:47] <lenswipe> maxtim, looks like Dell only ship the
.exe
411 [03:35:14] <lenswipe>
replaced-url
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417 [03:40:29] <maxtim> i think you need to enable `non-free` in
sources, `apt update && apt upgrade`, and i forget which
particular driver i installed, but the debian docs outta cover it
418 [03:41:04] <maxtim> lenswipe, that `/etc/apt/sources.list`
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421 [03:42:04] <lenswipe> Ah right, okay
422 [03:42:59] <maxtim> lenswipe, just google that output from
lspci, it's like int-something-something. just a simple apt
install xxx and you -should- be good
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428 [03:48:16] <Chiaki_Nanami> yummy
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434 [03:50:34] <Chiaki_Nanami> hi
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438 [03:54:12] <lenswipe> maxtim, thanks ill give that a shot
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440 [03:55:39] <lenswipe> maxtim, oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms ?
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442 [03:56:18] <maxtim> lenswipe, that doesn't sound right
443 [03:57:17] <maxtim> lenswipe,
replaced-url
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448 [04:03:15] <lenswipe> ah, weird - that didn't turn up in
my google search results
449 [04:03:17] <lenswipe> Thanks :)
450 [04:03:40] <lenswipe> maxtim,
451 [04:03:47] <lenswipe> presumably I need to reboot for this to
take effect
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453 [04:05:30] <Guest74> let keymaker create|add|associate|link
app FILEMANAGER for exit
454 [04:05:49] <maxtim> yes lenswipe
455 [04:06:27] <maxtim> typically when you dabble with kernel
level stuff, you'll need to reload.
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457 [04:09:54] <Guest74> please, guaranteed do not get logged
linux|drivers
458 [04:10:23] <Guest74> login|link to logged
459 [04:11:50] <Guest74> nologin|nolink to already logged
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461 [04:12:11] <joepublic> here are several socks. please begin
to eat them.
462 [04:12:11] <Guest74> account
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464 [04:12:48] <lenswipe> gotcha
465 [04:12:59] <Guest74> noneed to shouy on you
466 [04:13:07] <lenswipe> Guest74, dafuq are you talking about?
467 [04:13:18] <Guest74> not uptou
468 [04:13:24] <lenswipe> ???
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470 [04:14:42] <maxtim> lenswipe, Guest74 dealing with a
different issue, I'm not sure how to help either. Someone else
might, but the question isn't very coherent
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472 [04:15:57] <lenswipe> indeed
473 [04:16:15] <lenswipe> I'm reminded of big bang theory
when sheldon tried to speak mandarin
474 [04:16:20] <lenswipe>
replaced-url
475 [04:16:27] <lenswipe>
replaced-url
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477 [04:16:54] <maxtim> !topic
478 [04:17:12] <lenswipe> br
479 [04:17:14] <lenswipe> brb
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515 [04:55:57] <SociallyStrange1> Hi.
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517 [04:56:15] *** Dolphin is now known as BigBlueDolphin
518 [04:56:43] <BigBlueDolphin> I hate fedora. Does anybody else
just love Debian 10.
519 [04:56:55] <maxtim> eye
520 [04:57:15] <maxtim> stability is key
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522 [04:57:29] <BigBlueDolphin> True.
523 [04:57:41] <BigBlueDolphin> I cannot stand Arch with constant
updates that break the system.
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526 [04:57:59] <BazookaTooth> then don't use it
527 [04:58:08] <BigBlueDolphin> I don't use it.
528 [04:58:12] <BigBlueDolphin> I only use Debian
529 [04:58:18] <BazookaTooth> so why jab at arch?
530 [04:58:32] <BigBlueDolphin> Why not? It's terrible, same
with their community.
531 [04:58:40] <BazookaTooth> really?
532 [04:58:54] <BigBlueDolphin> Yes, everybody on 4chan /g/ says
to use it, but please stay away from it.
533 [04:59:07] <maxtim> I'd like to try at Arch again
someday. I disagree with their community aspect
534 [04:59:29] <BigBlueDolphin> They also say Debian sucks, which
is a lie. Arch doesn't include the Linux Kernel by default and
you have to install it manually (run a bunch of commands).
535 [04:59:31] <BazookaTooth> the only reason debian is stable is
because the packages are old and people here even use the archwiki
for recommendations
536 [04:59:34] <JackFrost> Different distros for different folks,
that's all there is.
537 [04:59:37] <maxtim> wtf, 4chan?
538 [04:59:40] <BigBlueDolphin> Yep.
539 [05:00:01] <BazookaTooth> JackFrost: reasonable response
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541 [05:00:17] <maxtim> ate
542 [05:00:18] <BigBlueDolphin> I find compiling apps to be fun.
543 [05:00:23] <maxtim> aye*
544 [05:00:25] <BigBlueDolphin> until it breaks.
545 [05:00:29] <BazookaTooth> arch says debian is old. they
don't say it sucks
546 [05:00:54] <BazookaTooth> unless you can quote that from a
dev?
547 [05:00:57] <JackFrost> Regardless, this all seems unrelated
to Debian support.
548 [05:01:07] <BigBlueDolphin> No, I meant most users who use
Arch say Debian sucks.
549 [05:01:10] <maxtim> arch = bleeding edge, debian = stability
550 [05:01:16] <BazookaTooth> ^
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554 [05:01:50] <maxtim> at least they don't force bleeding
edge and break things... *cough* windows *cough*
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556 [05:01:55] <BigBlueDolphin> I wish there was
firefox-developer-edition in the main repository.
557 [05:01:59] <BazookaTooth> you complained about arch
558 [05:02:01] <BigBlueDolphin> I had to install it manually.
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560 [05:02:28] <BigBlueDolphin> Many useful and open-source apps
are missing from debian's repository.
561 [05:02:45] <annadane> i'm not sure anyone ever truly
only uses debian stable packages for *everything*, we probably tend
to add one or two newer things
562 [05:03:00] <BigBlueDolphin> Yep, that's true. I added
debian-multimedia
563 [05:03:07] <annadane> !debian-multimedia
564 [05:03:08] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
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566 [05:03:23] <BigBlueDolphin> Oh, okay.
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569 [05:03:41] <BigBlueDolphin> My system has been up for 11
days, 16 hours, 12 mins without any problems.
570 [05:03:42] <annadane> and yeah i do use firefox regular
instead of esr
571 [05:03:59] <annadane> fasttrack.debian.net aims to try to
address some of this
572 [05:03:59] <BazookaTooth> i use arch, debian, centos. they
all have a purpose, and i don't say one sucks over the other
573 [05:04:11] <BigBlueDolphin> I needed dark mode, so I used the
developer edition because I occasionally do PHP programming.
574 [05:04:12] <maxtim> I don't think anyone uses stock
debian. pretty sure one installs it as a solid baseline
575 [05:04:20] <BigBlueDolphin> My sources list is
576 [05:04:27] <BigBlueDolphin> # deb
replaced-url
577 [05:04:28] <BigBlueDolphin> deb
replaced-url
578 [05:04:28] <BigBlueDolphin> deb-src
replaced-url
579 [05:04:28] <BigBlueDolphin> deb
replaced-url
580 [05:04:28] <BigBlueDolphin> deb-src
replaced-url
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582 [05:05:12] <BazookaTooth> keep your comments to yourself then
please
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584 [05:05:39] <annadane> !paste
585 [05:05:39] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
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586 [05:05:49] <BigBlueDolphin> Maybe I made an error by posting
my apt sources.list?
587 [05:06:02] <BigBlueDolphin> I was unaware of this, thanks.
588 [05:06:15] <BigBlueDolphin> Had to change my VPN location.
589 [05:06:17] <BazookaTooth> bashing other distros is just poor
character
590 [05:06:27] <maxtim> agreed
591 [05:06:44] <BigBlueDolphin> and that was why I browsing 4chan
because of this. It's just too draining.
592 [05:06:52] <BigBlueDolphin> Oops, stopped.
593 [05:06:53] <BazookaTooth> right...
594 [05:07:24] <BigBlueDolphin> I recently installed Armbian
(Debian-based) onto my Orange Pi and it's just like the normal
Debian, but for ARM.
595 [05:07:32] <maxtim> Yeah I wouldn't browse 4chan for
anything... just my humble opinion
596 [05:07:36] <annadane> i can see myself using arch for
specialized purposes, like programming, where i want the latest
versions of languages, but for my regular desktop it's debian
stable
597 [05:07:55] <BazookaTooth> ^ this is a good example
598 [05:08:06] <annadane> though of course you can still get
latest languages in debian stable, just takes longer than a simple
pacman command
599 [05:08:28] <BigBlueDolphin> Let me find an example of an
Debian-bashing reply on 4chan. Give me a couple of mins, ok?
600 [05:08:37] <annadane> no
601 [05:08:38] <BazookaTooth> stop it dude wtf
602 [05:08:40] <annadane> #debian-offtopic
603 [05:09:15] <BazookaTooth> prolly the same guy we had in
#archlinux earlier
604 [05:09:20] <BazookaTooth> o/
605 [05:09:26] <BigBlueDolphin> They hate Raspberry Pis. Never
heard of that IRC channel.
606 [05:09:35] <BigBlueDolphin> Compare my IP then.
607 [05:09:46] <BazookaTooth> oh cuz that means something.. try
mine
608 [05:10:03] <BigBlueDolphin> Oh, tor, that's good.
609 [05:10:37] <BazookaTooth> freenode hosts #raspbian and
#archlinux-arm
610 [05:10:45] <annadane> anyway, please don't fight, many
distros are fine for their own purposes
611 [05:10:50] <BigBlueDolphin> Doesn't surprise me that the
people on 4chan/g/ believe 90s web design was easier. It was hell;
enjoy the <th>. Okay.
612 [05:10:54] <annadane> you can use more than one at a time
613 [05:11:07] <BigBlueDolphin> I know, I'll check it out.
614 [05:11:12] <BazookaTooth> the hell is the guy on about?
615 [05:11:20] <annadane> except kali, that really shouldn't
be used as a desktop
616 [05:11:32] <BazookaTooth> annadane: laptops with low memory
617 [05:11:53] <BigBlueDolphin> Those script kiddies love
"penetration OSes", when they can be replicated with
Debian.
618 [05:11:56] <BazookaTooth> mobile devices
619 [05:12:00] <BigBlueDolphin> Checking out #armbian.
620 [05:12:16] <BazookaTooth> annadane: kali has its place
621 [05:12:35] <BazookaTooth> this twit on the other hand
622 [05:12:41] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin: 90s web desgin was easier
than today. Mostly because over all you could do less with sites.
623 [05:13:03] <BazookaTooth> trollerskates
624 [05:13:22] <oiaohm> BazookaTooth: back then I used javascript
to make a fake frames resulting in finding out that you could reboot
windows by internet explorer.
625 [05:13:25] <annadane> kali has its place for *experts*, not
people asking "how do i use it"
626 [05:13:39] <BigBlueDolphin> Interesting.
627 [05:13:43] <oiaohm> annadane: I am not sure I would say kali
has place with experts.
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630 [05:14:27] <BazookaTooth> company laptop and a kali stick..
job done
631 [05:14:56] <BigBlueDolphin> What was the early Debian days
like? Did you have to compile it?
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633 [05:15:44] <BazookaTooth> annadane: fair.. grey line baited
634 [05:16:08] <oiaohm> BazookaTooth: I am a parrot OS user for
penetration testing.
635 [05:16:20] <BazookaTooth> good for you i hate parrot
636 [05:16:37] <BigBlueDolphin> Can dolphins use Debian?
637 [05:16:42] <annadane> at least parrot is partially meant as a
desktop, can be used as such... kali just isn't
638 [05:16:50] <BigBlueDolphin> I meant a dolphin plush.
639 [05:16:56] <annadane> i woudn't recommend parrot, but
still
640 [05:17:09] <BazookaTooth> ^
641 [05:17:14] <annadane> not to a new user willy-nilly, that is
642 [05:17:41] <oiaohm> BazookaTooth: Debian was always a binary
distribution. My oldest upgraded in place install and cloned from
harddrive to hardrive tracks back to 1996.
643 [05:17:50] <BazookaTooth> kali is still defacto unless custom
toolsets.. then we get into arch and blah blah
644 [05:18:04] <BigBlueDolphin> I hate how Ubuntu uses Debian.
They ruined GNU/Linux with telemetry.
645 [05:18:17] <BazookaTooth> my laptop runs kali from metal
because low ram
646 [05:18:31] <BazookaTooth> most should be doing vm
647 [05:18:34] <BigBlueDolphin> It introduced a bunch of dumber
users who believe the GUI is better than the terminal.
648 [05:19:30] <oiaohm> BazookaTooth: one of the reasons for
parrot usage by me is lower ram requirement than kali to function
right.
649 [05:19:36] <BazookaTooth> they also seemed to have hired
someone with ux experiance because it got better recently
650 [05:19:41] <oiaohm> I do use BlackArch
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652 [05:19:44] <oiaohm> as well.
653 [05:20:00] <BazookaTooth> my main is blackarch but most of
the tools are in default arch repos
654 [05:20:29] <oiaohm> Of course parrot, blackarch.. Security
testing distributions are really not for the beginner who can be
careless.
655 [05:20:45] <oiaohm> There items that can get you into legal
hell really quickly.
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657 [05:21:19] <BazookaTooth> then don't play with them if
you don't know why you need the tools in the first place
658 [05:21:51] <oiaohm> yet you see a lot of noobies running kali
to be cool.
659 [05:22:02] <BazookaTooth> parrot basically stole the tor
switch from someone else so, not fond
660 [05:22:28] <BazookaTooth> they broke ipv6 a few times which
was enough to ignore them
661 [05:23:37] <oiaohm> kali has broken the complete network
stack a few times as well. Broken ipv6 is kind of better than broken
network stack totally making a pentration test fail when it should
have suceed so you reported fault.
662 [05:23:43] <annadane> the main issue is people coming with
parrot or kali, into #debian looking for help - people who know what
they're doing wouldn't do that, so you can safely assume
they shouldn't use them
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664 [05:24:10] <annadane> now, these distros have a nasty habit
of setting the default channel to #debian
665 [05:24:15] <annadane> which is not the user's fault
666 [05:24:17] <annadane> still...
667 [05:24:46] <BigBlueDolphin> Don't forget about those
terrible $10 udemy courses about "ethical haxxing".
668 [05:25:11] <BazookaTooth> well yes and no. kali broke on me
during an offsec course and i didnt get help in the kali channel. i
did get help here tho but i had plenty linux experience
669 [05:25:29] <BazookaTooth> udemy can die
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671 [05:25:39] <BazookaTooth> they all just rip each other off
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674 [05:26:35] <BazookaTooth> that whole "dont use
root" thing.. if you run metasploit on debian versus kali.. big
difference
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676 [05:27:24] <BazookaTooth> most of the tools used on kali need
root, so this is why you run it in a vm
677 [05:27:56] <BazookaTooth> arch has similar thing with
metasploit not letting you run metasploit as root
678 [05:28:39] <oiaohm> To be correct needing something to run as
root does not mean you have to run the complete desktop as root.
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682 [05:29:06] <BazookaTooth> when you need to be fast...
683 [05:29:24] <BazookaTooth> root makes sense with kali
684 [05:29:27] <oiaohm> BazookaTooth: No running complete desktop
as root can in fact result in slower.
685 [05:29:58] <oiaohm> So running complete desktop as root does
not make sense is sign of lazy.
686 [05:30:16] <BazookaTooth> lack of clear purpose
687 [05:30:28] <BazookaTooth> kali isnt looking youtube and
snapchat
688 [05:30:38] <oiaohm> I am talking about pentration testing.
689 [05:30:53] <oiaohm> Not all things that you run in pentration
testing need root either.
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693 [05:31:13] <BazookaTooth> then you know the difference
between running kali and running arch with black repos?
694 [05:31:26] <BigBlueDolphin> WinBlows 98 is terrible
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696 [05:31:40] <BazookaTooth> kali is faster
697 [05:31:56] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin: Yes and the differences
in performance after customised
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699 [05:32:02] <BigBlueDolphin> Does anybody hate those eBay
sellers who sell a LibreOffice download link?
700 [05:32:15] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin: arch with black repos
does not have as optimised kernel.
701 [05:32:25] <BazookaTooth> oh wow
702 [05:32:30] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin: that can come back and
bite you with kali.
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705 [05:32:51] <BazookaTooth> this is what i sound like sometimes
so..
706 [05:32:59] <BigBlueDolphin> Somebodies triggered in their
safe space.
707 [05:33:15] <BazookaTooth> given that he's aiming at you
and not me?
708 [05:33:18] <BazookaTooth> dunno
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710 [05:33:48] <oiaohm> kali has a kernel with alterations to the
network stack to help with wifi pentration testing. This can at
times hurt your cabled in network scans.
711 [05:33:53] <BigBlueDolphin> How can I get a HP ScanJet 4400c
working under Debian? Do I have to recompile the kernel (found
article on it)?
712 [05:34:00] <BazookaTooth> kali expects you to know wtf you
are doing
713 [05:34:06] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin: so kali is not always
faster.
714 [05:34:16] <oiaohm> Also can screw up horriblely as well.
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716 [05:34:33] <oiaohm> Because of somethings done to make it
faster.
717 [05:34:43] <LaurentDumont> I'm not sure I would run my
daily desktop with Kali :|
718 [05:35:30] <BazookaTooth> laptop with 4gb ram.. better to
bare metal
719 [05:36:30] <BazookaTooth> people still think kali is a script
kiddie distro. the kids are getting faster and just using to abuse
720 [05:37:00] <BigBlueDolphin> Blame YouTube for it
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722 [05:37:18] <BazookaTooth> for teaching dhs how kids are
breaking into things?
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725 [05:37:52] <BazookaTooth> we have all these new 3 and 4
letter agencies that still suck
726 [05:37:55] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin:
replaced-url
727 [05:38:29] <BazookaTooth> blame youtube
728 [05:39:05] <BigBlueDolphin> Thanks, oiaohm, I'll try it
out.
729 [05:39:29] <BigBlueDolphin> sudo apt install -y xsane time
730 [05:39:33] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin: libsane-extras
replaced-url
731 [05:39:47] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin: or if its now all
mainline xsane
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733 [05:40:29] <BigBlueDolphin> and I'm out of desk space
thanks to my 27" 4K (Asus @ 1440p 60fps) and CRT monitor
(Viewsonic G90F+)
734 [05:40:49] <LaurentDumont> Why a CRT?
735 [05:40:58] <BigBlueDolphin> Older systems, like XP, etc.
736 [05:41:20] <BazookaTooth> that model is really good..used
them for autocad
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738 [05:41:36] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin:
replaced-url
739 [05:41:40] <BazookaTooth> g9* 21 inchers
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741 [05:42:09] <BigBlueDolphin> Got it from my Dad's work.
There were 4, but my Dad could only carry 2 of them (one of them was
a crap Chinese Hitachi that has bad caps).
742 [05:42:31] <oiaohm> Even for old systems I don't use CRT
any more.
743 [05:42:33] <BazookaTooth> yeah they weigh like 60#
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745 [05:42:52] <BazookaTooth> well if he's got access to em
746 [05:43:00] <BigBlueDolphin> No, they are 24kg and it's a
19 incher.
747 [05:43:08] <BazookaTooth> BOO
748 [05:43:14] <LaurentDumont> They are just so heavy and so
long.
749 [05:43:19] <BazookaTooth> hehe
750 [05:43:26] <LaurentDumont> Take a crap load of space. Not
even sure I could make it fit on my current desk.
751 [05:43:40] <BazookaTooth> yes.. some people in here dont even
know wtf a crt is
752 [05:43:45] <BigBlueDolphin> Doom 1 under DOS is crisp. I have
2 desks, and one of them is Australian-made, so I can accommodate 3
of them
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756 [05:45:01] <BigBlueDolphin> xsane works with it!
757 [05:45:02] <BigBlueDolphin> Thanks!
758 [05:45:33] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin: so extras package no
longer required. I last had to deal with one of those 5 years ago.
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763 [05:46:32] <BigBlueDolphin> The Viewsonic CRT has a slight
scratch on it thanks to how my Dad handled it while carrying it to
the car (500m).
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765 [05:46:58] <BazookaTooth> measured a 21 incher in my garage..
28 inches long
766 [05:47:03] <BazookaTooth> XD
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768 [05:47:51] <BazookaTooth> the whole explosive cathode tube
thing is also amusing
769 [05:48:08] <BigBlueDolphin> They don't explode, they
just fail.
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771 [05:48:17] <BazookaTooth> disposal manuals on how to pop the
cathode
772 [05:48:23] <oiaohm> BigBlueDolphin:
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773 [05:48:45] <oiaohm> Modern LCD is a lot lighter.
774 [05:49:04] <BigBlueDolphin> I know. I have loads of these
adaptors anyways from my Dad's work. They were sealed and new.
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776 [05:49:17] <BigBlueDolphin> I have 2 LCDs, but I love my CRT.
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779 [05:51:50] <BazookaTooth> you know those projector bulbs from
older style theatres from the same era? the maintenance teams look
like eod. they shatter the glass on the cars in the parking lot when
tossed off the roof
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781 [05:53:09] <BazookaTooth> learned why much later but still
interesting
782 [05:53:40] <BazookaTooth> everything is digital now so.. not
so fun
783 [05:54:02] <oiaohm> Some projectors are still using horrible
bulbs.
784 [05:54:18] <BazookaTooth> they are awesome
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786 [05:54:46] <BazookaTooth> and your maintenance guys where
bomb suits to replace the bulbs
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788 [05:55:16] <BazookaTooth> if not.. then not talking about
same era projectors but whatever
789 [05:55:48] <BazookaTooth> the projection house was built to
stop a grenade for the same reason
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792 [05:57:01] <BazookaTooth> mentioned this last year or
something.. seems familiar
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796 [05:58:23] <oiaohm> BazookaTooth: Yes the destruction
instructions is still put bubble in particular case and drop it
until bulb shatters.
797 [05:58:36] <oiaohm> BazookaTooth: bubble/bulb
798 [05:58:50] <oiaohm> What may end being 3 stories.
799 [05:58:54] <BazookaTooth> yeah we just tossed them off the
room and learned to park on the other side of the lot
800 [05:59:00] <BazookaTooth> roof
801 [05:59:14] <BazookaTooth> was def 3 stories
802 [05:59:41] <oiaohm> Using proper case to prevent glass going
everywhere or not.
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804 [05:59:56] <BazookaTooth> bunch of high theatre kids?
805 [05:59:59] <BazookaTooth> cmon
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808 [06:01:09] <BazookaTooth> anyway.. yeah i got concerned when
saw the eod looking guys come in and they were like.. "we need
to change the bulb on xyz" XD
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811 [06:02:53] <BazookaTooth> fight club "cigarette
burn" comment still kinda urks me. using those stupid tape
machines was terrible
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827 [06:13:48] <BazookaTooth> oiaohm: are those still around?
828 [06:14:09] <BazookaTooth> offtopic but wildly curious
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837 [06:18:53] <bigbluedolphin> Hi. My HP ScanJet 4400c gives me
a broken pipe error in xsane
838 [06:18:58] <bigbluedolphin> under Debian 10.
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849 [06:41:59] <bigbluedolphin> Outrageous:
replaced-url
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852 [06:44:05] <annadane> okay, we get it...
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854 [06:45:14] <oiaohm> bigbluedolphin:
replaced-url
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856 [06:45:28] <bigbluedolphin> Thanks.
857 [06:45:54] <bigbluedolphin> and I already have it installed
:(
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867 [06:52:45] <annadane> if i want to file a bug against the su
man page, what do i enter as the package in reportbug?
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871 [06:55:21] <annadane> nvm, will go ask in #debian-bugs
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874 [06:59:35] <nvz> annadane: util-linux
875 [06:59:58] <annadane> yeah, figured it out
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884 [07:02:42] <nvz> or just put Package: util-linux Version:
2.33.1-0.1 as the first two lines of an email to
submit@bugs.debian.org with a concise subject line indicating that
there is an problem with the su manpage.. like a normal human being
:D
885 [07:02:56] * nvz hates reportbug
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895 [07:15:44] <warsoul> just installed freebsd
896 [07:15:51] <warsoul> but dont see it bootable on the grub
897 [07:15:53] <warsoul> how can i add it?
898 [07:16:11] <annadane> freebsd... is not... debian
899 [07:16:16] <annadane> /join #freebsd
900 [07:16:49] <annadane> oh, shared grub between debian and
freebsd. okay, but i'd probably ask there
901 [07:16:59] <diogenes_> warsoul, you need custom.cfg for BSD.
902 [07:18:23] <warsoul> diogenes_ how i do that
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905 [07:20:38] <diogenes_> warsoul, create /boot/grub/custom.cfg
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907 [07:21:10] <diogenes_> and there you add the entry for BSD.
908 [07:21:17] <warsoul> diogenes_ how i add the entry
909 [07:21:18] <warsoul> ?
910 [07:21:44] <diogenes_> warsoul, i'll pastebin.
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913 [07:22:24] <warsoul> ok
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940 [07:40:08] <boktan> hi can you please help me to change my
manpages language to turkish? i already installed the language from
repo but i dont understand what the correct command to set the
language to turkish language is
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1113 [10:19:31] <crivrc> hi, I have two disks, set up /var /home /
and /usr as raid partitions using lvm using both disk. When I try
booting with one of the disks missing I end up in a shell, the
partitions / and /usr are mounted properly, but logical volumes for
/var and /home have LV Status as "NOT available" If I type
lvchange -ay --activationmode degraded then they no longer show as
"NOT available" however I don't know how to
1114 [10:19:32] <crivrc> make it work automatically at boot up.
1115 [10:20:02] <crivrc> this is raid1 by the way
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1122 [10:23:13] <ws2k3> i have multiple public keys. does ssh
offer all of them when sshing into a server?
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1124 [10:25:19] <jelly> ws2k3, if they use default names/paths,
yes, but it tries them in turn, so if one is accepted it does not
try more
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1128 [10:27:16] <jelly> you can easily verify which files a
process opens: strace -eopen,openat ssh foo@bar
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1140 [10:31:19] <ws2k3> jelly: interesting. i switched from gnome
to kde. but suddenly one ssh key is not working anymore for one
spesific target... i already tryed to ssh -i mykey target. and then
it works. so it looks like the key is not offered in that case. also
when i use -v then im not seeing it
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1146 [10:34:19] <jelly> ws2k3, it's possible it's a
custom key path and you added it to the gnome-specific ssh agent,
but kde uses a different agent
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1148 [10:35:07] <jelly> (I have no idea which ssh agent either of
those two DEs use)
1149 [10:35:07] <ws2k3> jelly: suddenly it works again. yes i
suspect the agent. cause the first tiem i sshed manualy it asked for
the password. and now git pull works again
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1174 [10:58:03] <hatter__> just trying to update from stretch to
buster and this happened : dpkg: error processing archive
/var/cache/apt/archives/uswsusp_1.0+20120915-6.2_i386.deb
(--unpack):
1175 [10:59:16] <towo`> that's not the whole message
1176 [10:59:17] <jelly> !bat
1177 [10:59:18] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose
your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete
output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used)
2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL
packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache
policy". Use
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1178 [10:59:23] <jelly> hatter__, ^
1179 [10:59:24] <towo`> try apt -f install
1180 [10:59:38] <towo`> and paste the whole error
1181 [10:59:42] <jelly> no, don't try ANYTHING before you
show the whole output
1182 [10:59:54] <jelly> and the command you ran, please
1183 [11:00:24] <hatter__> too late, I ran apt -f install...
1184 [11:00:24] <jelly> if you followed the docs you'll have
the whole output stored with script command in a file
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1190 [11:01:16] <hatter__> The last command was apt-get upgrade
after changing the sources.list to buster and doing apt-get update
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1192 [11:01:51] <hatter__> will it break now after hastily running
apt -f install ?
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1195 [11:02:35] <jelly> probably not any more than it broke
already, but it's hard to say without whole output
1196 [11:02:54] <hatter__> ok, we will see shortly...
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1198 [11:03:07] <jelly> or as much output as you can gather
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1200 [11:04:00] <jelly> eg. if you have a disk full situation
trying to make apt do more work might just generate more errors
1201 [11:04:28] <hatter__>
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1202 [11:04:30] <jelly> ,v uswsusp --arch i386
1203 [11:04:31] <judd> Package: uswsusp on i386 -- jessie:
1.0+20120915-6; stretch: 1.0+20120915-6.1+b1; bullseye:
1.0+20120915-6.2; buster: 1.0+20120915-6.2; sid: 1.0+20120915-6.2
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1207 [11:05:15] <jelly> hatter__, that's still not enough
output, and also it's different
1208 [11:05:38] <hatter__> ok, I am back to apt-get upgrade
1209 [11:05:41] <hatter__> here is the output
1210 [11:05:59] <hatter__>
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1213 [11:07:07] <jelly> you keep doing commands that change more
things on the system instead of showing what happens, perhaps
someone else can help you but I can't
1214 [11:07:12] <hatter__> output of apt-cache policy uswsusp
1215 [11:07:38] <hatter__> it's the same as the original
issue
1216 [11:07:51] <hatter__> jelly, but thx anyway :)
1217 [11:09:30] <hatter__> uswsusp is to do with suspend which I
don't need, can I remove it or stop it from trying to install ?
1218 [11:09:42] <jelly> that's weird. you can probably get
rid of uswsusp completely, and use normal hibernation
1219 [11:09:59] <hatter__> I don't need hybernation at all on
this box
1220 [11:10:07] <jelly> dpkg --remove uswsusp
1221 [11:10:07] * dpkg rips the still-beating uswsusp from jelly's
chest, leaving jelly in a coma.
1222 [11:10:08] <hatter__> it's older hardware, so perhaps
it's a driver issue
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1225 [11:11:34] <jelly> uswsusp was useful around debian 5-7 or so
1226 [11:12:32] <hatter__> well, that remove got rid of that
error, now there is a heap more. perhaps from my apt -f install.
1227 [11:12:38] * diogenes_ has no clue how to pronounce uswsusp.
1228 [11:13:19] <hatter__>
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1229 [11:14:33] <hatter__> doesn't look like I need pcscd
1230 [11:15:00] <hatter__> or aumix-common
1231 [11:15:24] <jelly> you have lots of cruft for even older
versions of debian than debian 9
1232 [11:15:30] <jelly> from* older versions
1233 [11:15:44] <hatter__> jelly, it seems that way
1234 [11:16:02] <hatter__> is console-setup just for GUI >
1235 [11:16:03] <hatter__> ?
1236 [11:16:08] <jelly> packages for all those init scripts that
insserv complains about need to be purged
1237 [11:16:17] <jelly> ,v console-setup
1238 [11:16:18] <judd> Package: console-setup on amd64 -- jessie:
1.123; stretch: 1.164; buster: 1.193~deb10u1; bullseye: 1.194; sid:
1.194
1239 [11:16:32] <jelly> hatter__, no
1240 [11:17:15] <hatter__> I just removed pcscd and aumix-common
1241 [11:17:27] <hatter__> now it errors on console-setup-linux
and console-setup
1242 [11:18:06] <hatter__> what is the 'hurd' package ?
1243 [11:19:29] <hatter__>
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1244 [11:19:43] <hatter__> apt-cache policy console-setup-linux
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1247 [11:20:50] <jelly> are you 100% sure this system was on
debian 9 before?
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1249 [11:21:59] <jelly> hatter__, what does dpkg -l $(dpkg -S
/etc/init.d/cupsys|cut -f1 -d:) say
1250 [11:22:07] <hatter__> jelly... um... geez i hope so, It was
an older one and I just took it up from 7 to 8, then 8 to 9, so I am
hoping I didn't stuff that up...
1251 [11:22:51] <hatter__> rc cupsys 1.2.7-4+etch9 i386 Common
UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
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1253 [11:23:11] <jelly> and it has cruft from debian 4
1254 [11:23:33] <hatter__> actually, this one was 6 first, then 7,
then 8, then 9,
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1256 [11:23:40] <hatter__> so yeah, it was old.
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1259 [11:23:56] <hatter__> it doesn't do much, just a samba
server
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1264 [11:25:54] <jelly> hatter__, clean up those init scripts, for
each script that insserv complained about, find out which package it
belongs to: "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/cupsys", then verify the
package is not installed any more: "dpkg -l cupsys", then
delete the leftover conffiles including the init script: "dpkg
--purge cupsys"
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1266 [11:26:18] <hatter__> jelly, ok thx, I will try that
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1268 [11:27:08] <jelly> I think docs say to clean up that kind of
stuff after every release upgrade
1269 [11:27:25] <hatter__> jelly, ah, there is heaps of old crap
on this box
1270 [11:27:38] <hatter__> what is the command to remove the
entire desktop environment ?
1271 [11:27:46] <jelly> (this particular package should have been
purged after debian 4 -> 5 release upgrade)
1272 [11:28:27] <hatter__> sorry for being lazy, I can google that
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1274 [11:29:40] <jelly> you won't find a simple answer, it
depends on the DE and debian release and is not really a simple
issue
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1276 [11:30:05] <hatter__> ah fair enough, gnome is on this box
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1292 [11:45:20] <crivrc> Hi, any idea why an lvm logical volume in
raid1 is not activated at boot when the mirror is disconnected?
shouldn't at least the remaining mirror allow the volume to be
activated?
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1333 [12:17:04] <antonio89p> ciao
1334 [12:17:48] <antonio89p> !list
1335 [12:17:48] <dpkg> antonio89p: È possibile scaricare un
sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a
replaced-url
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1341 [12:23:11] <mpfusion> Is there an RSS feed for iso releases?
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1348 [12:28:32] <rephlexie> mpfusion,
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1365 [12:34:21] <mpfusion> rephlexie: Thanks for that info. But as
it seems that's all sorts of general information. I'm
looking for a feed only for iso releases (too add to torrent
client), which I haven't found so far.
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1384 [12:39:30] <jaggz> Can't use string ("") as a
HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/bin/debtree
line 325.
1385 [12:39:34] <jaggz> grr
1386 [12:40:43] <jelly> your perl sucks!
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1388 [12:41:01] <jaggz> where can I submit a patch?
1389 [12:41:47] <jelly> you can report a bug, add the tag
"patch", and attach it there
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1391 [12:42:09] <jelly> or even inline it if it's short
enough, eh
1392 [12:42:34] <jelly> ,v debtree
1393 [12:42:35] <judd> Package: debtree on amd64 -- jessie:
1.0.10; buster: 1.0.10+nmu1; stretch: 1.0.10+nmu1; bullseye: 1.1.0;
sid: 1.1.0
1394 [12:42:59] <jelly> !reportbug
1395 [12:42:59] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
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1398 [12:45:32] <jaggz> jelly,
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1399 [12:45:42] <jaggz> not sure if it's good but maybe
it'll be.. inspirational
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1402 [12:48:39] <Alexloco75co> Hello world! ( Í¡° ͜ʖ Í¡°)
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1414 [12:54:13] <jaggz> (that's not the fix.. hmm)
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1425 [13:02:44] <jaggz> I'm trying to use debtree to see why
I have tons of i386 packages installed..
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1427 [13:04:08] <jelly> jaggz, what does "dpkg
--print-architecture" say? If it says i386, that'd be a
reason why :-)
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1430 [13:05:07] <jaggz> jelly, amd64
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1432 [13:05:29] <jelly> aptitude why libc6:i386
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1437 [13:07:40] <jaggz> that shows just one: i libsndio6.1:i386
Depends libc6:i386 (>= 2.16)
1438 [13:08:15] <jaggz> why on that shows more:
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1448 [13:11:15] <jaggz> I removed libsndio6.1:i386 and now why on
libc6:i386 shows a different package.. grr
1449 [13:11:55] <jaggz> shouldn't aptitude why show me a full
list of dependencies?
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1455 [13:16:48] <jaggz> libmfx0:i386 Depends libc6:i386 (>=
2.4)
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1457 [13:17:42] <jaggz> yeah.. each time it shows me one. I remove
that, it shows me another.
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1459 [13:18:49] <jaggz> (jelly, by the way, reportbugs on debtree
shows me testing has a newer version than my buster)
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1461 [13:20:17] <sweep90> What are the base packages I need to
install for the xfce4 desktop without installing the whole xfce4
group?
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1475 [13:25:36] <jelly> jaggz, you could backport or grab that
version and see if it's any better
1476 [13:26:10] <jaggz> jelly, thanks
1477 [13:26:27] <jaggz> the whole reason for this is because
I'm trying to compile a project and a library it uses is
erroring on link
1478 [13:26:32] <jaggz> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblept.so.5:
undefined reference to `TIFFReadScanline@LIBTIFF_4.0'
1479 [13:26:34] <jelly> sweep90, you can "apt-cache show
task-xfce-desktop" and see what the task pulls in
1480 [13:26:39] <jaggz> a ton of references to libtiff4
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1483 [13:27:02] <jaggz> buster's libtiff4 is referenced by
another package
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1485 [13:27:28] <jelly> jaggz, you probably have a custom built
libtiff.so.4 somewhere.
1486 [13:27:36] <jelly> jaggz, ldd
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblept.so.5
1487 [13:27:38] <Ede|Popede> sweep90: the dependencies from
`apt-cache show xfce4` should give you a hint.
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1493 [13:28:32] <jaggz> libtiff.so.5 =>
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtiff.so.5
1494 [13:28:43] <jaggz> that looks good.. hrmm. no other
tiff's in that
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1502 [13:35:02] <jaggz> found one or two others online with this
issue with liblept5 referring to tiff_4.0... no replies about it
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1509 [13:39:24] <jaggz> here's one with a not so helpful link
to fix (someone having the issue when building opencv)
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1514 [13:44:02] <jaggz> what a pain. looks like liblept5 might
somehow be referring to libtiff4 symbols. grep -a TIFFReadScan
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblept.so.5 | sed -e
's/\x0/\n/g' | grep TIFF shows a bunch of the TIFF
symbols, then shows a line "LIBTIFF_4.0"
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1532 [14:04:01] <bigbluedolphin> Hi
1533 [14:04:07] <jelly> jaggz, which packages and versions do both
packages belong to? Maybe you have something mismatched
1534 [14:04:33] <jelly> jaggz, careful to dererefence symlinks
before dpkg -S
1535 [14:04:49] <bigbluedolphin> I tried to run Debian 2.x on a
Pentium 4 Space heater and it craps its self on mounting the drives.
It's a LGA 775 system.
1536 [14:04:49] <jaggz> jelly, what I'm building is not from
debian (trying to build
replaced-url
1537 [14:05:09] <bigbluedolphin> I'm going to try Debian 3.x
instead for fun.
1538 [14:05:15] <jaggz> liblept is apparently a common image
processing lib -- it was apparently installed with leptonica for use
by tesseract (ocr software)
1539 [14:05:25] <bigbluedolphin> The installation seems harder
though. Is it really that different?
1540 [14:05:41] <jelly> jaggz, irrelevant, library A from debian
should not reference nonexisting symbols in library B from debian
1541 [14:06:26] <jelly> ,file x86_64-linux-gnu/liblept.so.5
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1543 [14:06:30] <judd> Search for x86_64-linux-gnu/liblept.so.5 in
buster/amd64: liblept5: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblept.so.5
1544 [14:07:02] <jaggz> yeah.. maybe it was built on something
that had libtiff4 and.. it's confused
1545 [14:07:54] <jaggz> jelly, i'm not sure which versions to
provide. liblept5 is 1.76.0-1
1546 [14:07:58] <jelly> bigbluedolphin, which debian 2.x? Which
3.x? Pentium 4 might be a 2002 system
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1548 [14:08:11] <jelly> ,v liblept5
1549 [14:08:12] <judd> Package: liblept5 on amd64 -- stretch:
1.74.1-1; stretch-backports: 1.76.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.76.0-1;
bullseye: 1.78.0-2+b1; sid: 1.78.0-2+b1
1550 [14:08:31] <jelly> okay, that looks like default buster
1551 [14:08:33] <jaggz> I purged libtiff4 (it had 'c')
.. it's now gone and not even listed :)
1552 [14:09:02] <jelly> jaggz, also, to build something
you're going to need -dev packages installed
1553 [14:09:37] <hugo__> Hello all, i noticed "route"
(net-tools) does not installed anymore on several distrib. What
shoud i use instead ?
1554 [14:09:53] <jelly> hugo__, ip route ...
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1556 [14:10:45] <jaggz> jelly, yeah. I used their project's
deps as documented.. but this libtiff_4.0 reference thing seems to
be something else
1557 [14:10:50] <jelly> hugo__, you can also install net-tools
back if you need a quick fix, but some output formats have changed
1558 [14:10:53] <jaggz> (something with liblept5's build)
1559 [14:10:56] <hugo__> jelly, so many thanks
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1561 [14:12:10] <jaggz> jelly, I guess it might be time to go to
testing
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1563 [14:14:54] <jaggz> (since I was reporting a bug in liblept5
but noticed [what you already showed in ,v above] the newer version)
1564 [14:15:11] <jaggz> hard to miss, with reportbug! :)
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1575 [14:19:25] <bigbluedolphin> Ding dong, what's your
favourite DE?
1576 [14:19:56] <Habbie> bigbluedolphin, i'm using gnome3 as
it comes with debian buster and i'm very happy
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1588 [14:25:02] <OnceMe> if I have one public IP X, can I create
multiple app1.mysite.com app2.mysite.com mapped to different
internal ips and ports with maybe bind9?
1589 [14:25:09] <petn-randall> bigbluedolphin: Most people in here
don't like surveys. You can ask it in #debian-offtopic though,
where people might respond.
1590 [14:25:29] <petn-randall> bigbluedolphin: Unless you have an
actual support question, then it's best if you ask that
straight away.
1591 [14:27:08] <petn-randall> bigbluedolphin: There's no
need to PM me unless asked.
1592 [14:27:27] <petn-randall> (I can't read it because I
have PM disabled)
1593 [14:27:38] <bigbluedolphin> Oh, okay.
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1595 [14:31:04] <OnceMe> any ideas?
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1597 [14:32:17] <Habbie> OnceMe, bind9 can point multiple names at
the same public IP; it is then up to the specific protocol to route
things based on name. HTTP can do this, in which case you'd
want a http proxy running on your public IP
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1599 [14:32:41] <petn-randall> OnceMe: No.
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1601 [14:33:56] <B|ack0p> hi
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1603 [14:34:13] <petn-randall> OnceMe: You can create multiple
domain names pointing to the same IP, but usually the server
doesn't see what domain name the client resolved. However,
HTTP(S) can send the servername, and you can configure your server
to show different web pages depending on that.
1604 [14:34:13] <B|ack0p> how can i see usb stick in terminal?
1605 [14:34:15] <nyov> OnceMe: you can use NAT to route multiple
different ports on the host with the one public IP to different
internal IPs.
1606 [14:34:24] <B|ack0p> sda sdb ?
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1608 [14:35:04] <petn-randall> B|ack0p: Are you trying to mount
the USB stick?
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1611 [14:35:51] <B|ack0p> no i wanna find out what is my usb stick
1612 [14:35:58] <B|ack0p> to use DD command
1613 [14:36:15] <bigbluedolphin> lsblk to find the USB
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1615 [14:36:33] <B|ack0p> thx
1616 [14:36:47] <bigbluedolphin> run sudo /dev/[your USB logical
name] /mnt (or another directory).
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1618 [14:37:42] <bigbluedolphin> An example of the logical name
would be /dev/sdb
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1620 [14:37:54] <jelly> bigbluedolphin, sudo what?
1621 [14:38:27] <OnceMe> nyov whats wrong with having a reverse
proxy?
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1623 [14:39:45] <petn-randall> OnceMe: Your service needs to have
a concept of virtualhosts for reverse proxy to work.
1624 [14:39:47] <nyov> OnceMe: that depends on how you coin the
term reverse proxy, I guess. How is NAT not a proxy?
1625 [14:40:10] <nyov> oki i gotta go sober up
1626 [14:40:20] <jelly> OnceMe, there's nothing wrong with a
reverse proxy, if you need is a single type of service (eg. only
https)
1627 [14:40:25] <petn-randall> nyov: Nat wouldn't be a proxy
for me in any definition.
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1630 [14:41:47] <nyov> well, it proxies something. is my
definition :p
1631 [14:42:57] <jelly> petn-randall, TLS with SNI is enough, the
service in the backend doesn't have to know in-protocol
VirtualHosts
1632 [14:43:23] <jelly> but you need a client that does SNI, and
not all eg. mail clients do
1633 [14:44:29] <petn-randall> jelly: That works until your client
does TLS shadowing.
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1635 [14:45:08] <petn-randall> (I think that's the term)
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1639 [14:45:48] <jelly> I have no idea what that is :-)
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1646 [14:47:53] <nyov> petn-randall: explain, explain! in
offtopic. I'm interested
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1649 [14:48:58] <jelly> you need to first BE in #debian-offtopic
for that to work, nyov
1650 [14:49:22] <nyov> oh my bad. i'm on oftc ot
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1652 [14:49:37] <jelly> that's an inferior copy
1653 [14:49:56] <nyov> heh, petn-randall was there :P
1654 [14:49:57] <jelly> (well no, maybe it's better now)
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1658 [14:50:52] <B|ack0p> hi
1659 [14:50:57] <B|ack0p> $ sudo dd
if=debian-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=dev/sdb
1660 [14:50:57] <B|ack0p> dd: failed to open 'dev/sdb':
No such file or directory
1661 [14:51:06] <B|ack0p> what could be the problem?
1662 [14:51:14] * nyov hides
1663 [14:51:19] <B|ack0p> iso file is in home folder
1664 [14:51:47] <B|ack0p> actually it was in Downloads folder
first but when i wrote full directory
/home/user/Downloads/debian.iso it gave same error
1665 [14:52:47] <B|ack0p> maybe usb stick doesnt mount?
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1667 [14:52:54] <petn-randall> B|ack0p: dev/sdb is not the same as
/dev/sdb.
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1669 [14:53:15] <B|ack0p> hmm
1670 [14:53:25] <petn-randall> B|ack0p: If you have problems with
such basics I'd take extra steps to verify it's the right
block device. Otherwise you might wipe your system.
1671 [14:53:47] <B|ack0p> well lsblk shows it is sdb
1672 [14:54:34] <B|ack0p> $ dd if=debian-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso
of=/dev/sdb
1673 [14:54:34] <B|ack0p> dd: failed to open '/dev/sdb':
Permission denied
1674 [14:54:37] <B|ack0p> same
1675 [14:54:48] <towo`> be root
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1677 [14:54:58] <B|ack0p> ah yes root
1678 [14:55:01] <B|ack0p> working now
1679 [14:55:01] <B|ack0p> thx
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1683 [14:56:00] <dvs> B|ack0p, if you are going to try and install
over wifi, you'd be better off with the firmware ISO
1684 [14:56:42] <B|ack0p> dvs which iso is that?
1685 [14:56:56] <B|ack0p> my usb stick is only 512mb
1686 [14:57:17] <petn-randall> B|ack0p: It's practically the
same size, just contains the firmware that most wifi devices need to
work.
1687 [14:57:26] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
1688 [14:57:26] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
replaced-url
1689 [14:57:38] <petn-randall> !firmware images
1690 [14:57:39] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
replaced-url
1691 [14:57:39] <dvs> B|ack0p, [ISO]
firmware-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso
1692 [14:57:42] <B|ack0p> petn-randall: it would be perfect then
1693 [14:57:52] <petn-randall> B|ack0p: Link is above. ^^^
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1700 [14:59:01] <B|ack0p> oh it seems complicated
1701 [14:59:07] <dvs> ???
1702 [14:59:08] <B|ack0p> isnt there ready iso file with firmware?
1703 [14:59:27] <dvs> B|ack0p,
replaced-url
1704 [14:59:36] <B|ack0p> Example #1: add debs from
firmware.cpio.gz
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1706 [15:00:11] <B|ack0p> dvs: thx
1707 [15:00:13] <B|ack0p> there are 2 isos
1708 [15:00:16] <dvs> np
1709 [15:00:19] <B|ack0p> firmware and firmware-edu
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1711 [15:00:23] <B|ack0p> what s the differenc?
1712 [15:00:39] <dvs> <petn-randall> B|ack0p: It's
practically the same size, just contains the firmware that most wifi
devices need to work.
1713 [15:00:52] <dvs> OH sorry
1714 [15:01:02] <bigbluedolphin>
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1715 [15:01:04] <dvs> B|ack0p, I don't use the edu version
1716 [15:01:14] <B|ack0p> ok
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1718 [15:01:56] <B|ack0p> so with this iso will it automatically
install my intel-wifi driver during installation so no need to
install non-free after installation?
1719 [15:02:18] <dvs> yes
1720 [15:02:23] <B|ack0p> thx god
1721 [15:02:32] <B|ack0p> it was hard work for me :p
1722 [15:02:39] <B|ack0p> i mean thx dvs not god lol
1723 [15:03:05] <B|ack0p> btw i will clean install just xfce
1724 [15:03:13] <B|ack0p> hope it works fine this time..
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1727 [15:03:27] <B|ack0p> i think it is better DE with others i
tested
1728 [15:03:43] <dvs> To each their own
1729 [15:03:56] <B|ack0p> huh?
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1732 [15:04:28] <dvs> That's why there are so many DEs.
Everyone likes what they want.
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1736 [15:05:29] <B|ack0p> yea
1737 [15:05:36] <B|ack0p> what do you like dvs ?
1738 [15:05:40] <dvs> KDE
1739 [15:05:47] <B|ack0p> plasma?
1740 [15:06:10] <bigbluedolphin> i3-gaps
1741 [15:06:14] <dvs> That's what's loaded but I
don't know what the difference is without it.
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1746 [15:09:16] <B|ack0p> bbl installing again
1747 [15:09:17] <B|ack0p> exit
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1758 [15:15:34] <bigbluedolphin> bzu42988@zzrgg.com
1759 [15:15:38] <bigbluedolphin>
replaced-url
1760 [15:15:41] <bigbluedolphin> SIEG HEIL
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1794 [15:48:25] <CrazyTux> how to install kde connect on Debian?
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1805 [15:52:31] <komunista> hi all
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1816 [16:00:12] <bonieerss> hello
1817 [16:00:28] <komunista> i today upgraded my stretch to buster,
but i cannot get the mpd's http stream (httpd output) to work
1818 [16:00:28] <komunista> please, need i something special for
it in buster?
1819 [16:00:47] <bonieerss> I want to install debian and I recall
someone suggesting me an application which I can run from another
linux system
1820 [16:00:57] <bonieerss> but I forgot the name!
1821 [16:01:45] <bonieerss> (more precisely: an application which
will save me from getting an usb stick and placing netinstall image
on it)
1822 [16:02:21] <lovetolearn> i'm not sure - maybe google is
helpful :)
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1824 [16:02:36] <lovetolearn> before someone else answers here :)
1825 [16:02:43] <lovetolearn> who knows how long they will take
1826 [16:02:47] <lovetolearn> :)
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1828 [16:03:12] <bonieerss> yeah I already went the "search
it on a search engine" route
1829 [16:03:18] <bonieerss> hence why I am firing here
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1831 [16:03:34] <lovetolearn> fire there some more xP xD
1832 [16:03:39] <nvz> bonieerss: debootstrap
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1834 [16:03:44] <lovetolearn> and here too :)
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1837 [16:06:05] <bonieerss> nvz: it was for other distros too
1838 [16:06:56] <nvz> hell if I know
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1849 [16:14:20] <jhutchins> bonieerss: You might be thinking of
debootstrap
1850 [16:14:31] <jhutchins> !debootstrap
1851 [16:14:32] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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1903 [16:49:50] <centrix> I try to run cron as root from a console
"cron -f -L 5", but no sing of activity.
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1907 [16:49:56] <centrix> Deb 10
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1909 [16:50:33] <centrix> I also created a crontab file, loaded
with "crontab myfile", checked with "crontab
-l", but still no sign of activity.
1910 [16:50:34] <greycat> you tried... to start cron... the
daemon... by hand
1911 [16:50:48] <greycat> WHY are you attempting to start cron by
hand?
1912 [16:51:26] <centrix> greycat, yes. As a matter of fact it is
a docker container based on Debian 10.2
1913 [16:51:28] <greycat> please just say "because
docker"
1914 [16:51:29] <petn-randall> centrix: What are you expecting it
to do?
1915 [16:51:31] <greycat> HAHAHAHGAHAHAJHAHAHA
1916 [16:51:44] <petn-randall> greycat: you called it ;)
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1918 [16:52:13] <centrix> I currently have no choice that use cron
in there.
1919 [16:52:28] <centrix> I am not the originator of applications
....
1920 [16:52:57] <centrix> Nor can I rebuild ... etc. Please focus
on the fact that I should give it a try.
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1925 [16:54:42] <centrix> I admit that I posted the same question
in the docker channel, but I am not sure where to direct my
questions.
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1931 [16:58:40] <petn-randall> centrix: using docker to run cron
jobs is like using a hammer to cut bread. There are tools that are
better suited for the job.
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1934 [16:59:30] <petn-randall> Sure, we can help you with many
steps to get you some smaller pieces of bread breaking of the loaf,
but no matter how you put it the results will be not what you
expect.
1935 [16:59:47] <greycat> I don't use docker, but people who
do use it have explained to me that the intent is for it to run a
SINGLE process in the container. Not to be a full-blown virtual
machine with daemons flying about.
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1937 [17:01:01] <Bushmaster> does anyone is versed settign up
apache media server from external hard drive?
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1939 [17:01:09] <greycat> If your containerized service is leaving
crumbs all over the bed and you want to vacuum them up once a day, I
would suggest doing the vacuuming from the real OS.
1940 [17:01:29] <jelly> people using tools for purposes other than
designed? I am SHOCKED. Shocked I say! ... well, not that shocked.
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1942 [17:04:11] <centrix> I have no idea why customers insist on
something we try to talk them out of. As I said. That is the way it
is. Thanks for a help.
1943 [17:04:14] <jelly> see also: automating docker
instantiation(sp?) plus a reverse proxy, calling it "k8s"
and then forgetting to remember it's still technology not meant
to keep state
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1946 [17:05:08] <Bushmaster> does anyone is versed settign up
apache media server from external hard drive?
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1951 [17:05:50] <mtn> Bushmaster: make sure to tell them you are
using Mint ;)
1952 [17:05:56] <jelly> shush!
1953 [17:06:00] <mtn> oops
1954 [17:06:28] * greycat wonders what on earth "apache media
server" is
1955 [17:06:33] <jelly> let us waste 15 minutes figuring out why
their system is broken in subtle ways, first
1956 [17:06:40] <mtn> heh
1957 [17:07:05] <jelly> I just symlink /media into the default
DocumentRoot and AllowSymlinks
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1960 [17:07:40] <jelly> a bind mount would make apache not even
notice that issue
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1965 [17:08:34] <Bushmaster> jelly: the problem I am having is
declaring the path, for my external hard drive, even though I
declared it it tells me Forbidden, you don't have access to the
resource
1966 [17:08:47] <greycat> so "apache media server" is
just "apache web server" with the word "web"
crossed out and "media" written above it in crayon?
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1969 [17:09:25] <Bushmaster> greycat: I am a bushcat okay and I
have cats, many of them
1970 [17:09:30] <jelly> greycat, pretty much. sometimes
there's a dir. index switched on, so you can BROWSE directories
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1974 [17:10:34] <jelly> and click on files! (or more likely, some
other media box is browsing and indexing your files.) It's like
an, uh, ftp site
1975 [17:10:45] * jelly is sure greycat remembers ftp sites
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1977 [17:11:03] <greycat> I may have seen one of them in the
distant past, yes
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1980 [17:12:01] <Bushmaster> jelly can you tell me why apache is
not working with my external hard drive?
1981 [17:12:16] <jelly> Bushmaster, maybe you can specify what
"I declared it [the path]" means in terms of actual
VirtualHost configuration
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1983 [17:12:47] <Razva> I'm setting up a fstab cifs and I
(obviously) cannot chown files on the cifs. What should I specify on
the fstab entry in order to set it to use "no
permissions"?
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1985 [17:13:08] <jelly> Bushmaster, and if you're not on
actual Debian, ask in ##linux or I guess #httpd (but I personally am
not in #httpd)
1986 [17:13:30] * jelly has issues hitting the 120 channel limit
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1988 [17:14:11] <Ede|Popede> jelly:
replaced-url
1989 [17:14:17] <Ede|Popede> yes, ubuntu paste *shudder*
1990 [17:14:31] <lusrmgr> how can I easily turn on/off a HTTP
proxy? I won't reload my browser so /etc/environment and
http_proxy var is discarded. I've been looking for hours. I
can't set a proxy in Chrome settings. This is so easy in
Windows, you can do it with 3 clicks, why is using a proxy such a
nightmare in an operating system that should specialize in things
like
1991 [17:14:32] <lusrmgr> that?
1992 [17:14:34] <Ede|Popede> "create an account and log in to
see the raw paste"
1993 [17:14:44] <Bushmaster> <Directory
/media/bushcat/3ddb56c5-08f0-44ce-9e78-e3a21f13b7d5/Videos/>
jelly
1994 [17:15:25] <jelly> Ede|Popede, are you and Bushmaster the
same person? Not sure what that paste is about
1995 [17:15:44] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede: how is it going
1996 [17:16:04] <Ede|Popede> jelly, was his paste from yesterday,
asking the same question and running away before continuing to the
next step
1997 [17:16:23] <greycat> lusrmgr: I have multiple Chrome
execution commands in my window manager config file, for the various
proxy setting that I might want it to use.
1998 [17:16:27] * Ede|Popede doesn't have any cats
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2000 [17:16:50] <greycat> + "&6. Chrome 9999" Exec
exec /usr/bin/google-chrome --proxy-server=socks://localhost:9999
--enable-easy-off-store-extension-install
2001 [17:17:06] <Bushmaster> i am seeking some significant
consultation to resolve my apache issue without too much wind
blowing
2002 [17:17:12] <lusrmgr> greycat yeah, not an option to me, I
can't be opening and closing the browser every time I want to
use a proxy
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2004 [17:17:29] <greycat> Then Chrome isn't for you.
2005 [17:17:45] <greycat> Firefox can change proxy settings with
mouse clicks inside the browser.
2006 [17:18:08] <lusrmgr> I've been using Chrome for years
2007 [17:18:35] <lusrmgr> aren't the Google guys smarter than
the guys behind firefox? and yet they failed to make easy proxy
settings
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2010 [17:19:46] <lusrmgr> can't I use iptables to momentarily
redirect http traffic to a proxy? not sure that will work
2011 [17:19:52] <Bushmaster> does anyone knows how to declare path
in apache.conf file for hard drive USB ported?
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2037 [17:36:03] <B|ack0p> when will new firefox version be
available in debian?
2038 [17:36:15] <B|ack0p> v68 esr seems to be buggy
2039 [17:36:44] <greycat> when upstream support for the current
ESR version goes away, the next ESR version in line will grudgingly
be called forth, so that we may suffer whatever fresh hell it
inflicts upon us
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2045 [17:39:20] <greycat> Well CRAP... mozilla overhauled their
web site, and I can't find an updated copy of the ESR timeline
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2047 [17:40:10] <greycat> the one at
replaced-url
2048 [17:41:04] <greycat> Anyway, from that older timeline, you
can sorta see that ESR 60.* supported ended October 23, which is
when Debian moved over to ESR 68.*.
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2050 [17:43:23] <B|ack0p> greycat: in 2 years maybe?
2051 [17:43:54] <greycat> Sadly, I don't think any ESR series
ever lasts 2 years.
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2053 [17:44:08] <B|ack0p> why debian is so late :/
2054 [17:44:14] <greycat> ... what
2055 [17:44:40] <greycat> Debian waited AS LONG AS IT COULD before
dropping 60.
2056 [17:45:05] <B|ack0p> well ESR 68 is the latest?
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2058 [17:45:37] <greycat> Unless you can find me a newer timeline
somewhere, as far as I know, ESR 68 is the currently supported
upstream ESR release.
2059 [17:45:55] <B|ack0p> yea it seems so
2060 [17:46:01] <B|ack0p> what about stable version?
2061 [17:46:07] <B|ack0p> it should be 70s
2062 [17:46:17] <Alessandro-B> hello, on Buster, why the processes
load the aa_DJ locale while I haven't it configured?
2063 [17:46:24] <petn-randall> B|ack0p: That version is not ESR.
2064 [17:46:35] <B|ack0p> petn-randall: i know but what s the
difference?
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2066 [17:46:59] <greycat> ESR is *actually* stable, as in, they
maintain a specific set of features and just fix bugs in it.
2067 [17:47:03] <petn-randall> B|ack0p: That seems to be a
question you could trivially look up on the internet.
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2070 [17:47:26] <B|ack0p> nvm..
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2072 [17:47:34] <serverman> does ESR have telemetry?
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2074 [17:47:44] <jelly> B|ack0p, debian releases do not ship
firefox release versions.
2075 [17:48:00] <jelly> only firefox esr versions
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2079 [17:48:36] <B|ack0p> okkk
2080 [17:48:43] <fireba11> hi, i got a timing issue on boot: nfs
server fails to start because luks is still busy unlocking the
volume, so exports aren't available(yet), what's the
debian(tm) way to fix that? :-D
2081 [17:48:52] <B|ack0p> btw evolution doesnt send emails
2082 [17:49:02] <B|ack0p> is this debian related?
2083 [17:49:15] <jelly> serverman, yes, I _believe_ it's off
by default in debian but don't trust me
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2085 [17:49:37] <B|ack0p> it holds at "sending message"
screen for minutes
2086 [17:50:02] <B|ack0p> and it is like forever for me
2087 [17:50:30] <B|ack0p> it was same before i reinstalled debian
today..
2088 [17:50:37] <B|ack0p> thunderbolt vs evolution?
2089 [17:51:06] <Ede|Popede> greycat, maybe this one's
better:
replaced-url
2090 [17:51:07] <fireba11> B|ack0p: i doubt that's a debian
issue ... checked the logs etc?
2091 [17:51:29] <B|ack0p> where is the logs?
2092 [17:51:50] <fireba11> hm it's been a while since i used
evolution .. ;-)
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2095 [17:52:32] <greycat> Ede|Popede: I don't see any future
ESR dates on that one
2096 [17:52:57] <B|ack0p> which mail app is better? thunderbold or
evolution?
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2098 [17:52:58] <greycat> oh wait, it's hiding in the first
table
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2101 [17:53:30] <fireba11> B|ack0p: more a question of taste
usually :-D
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2103 [17:53:37] <greycat> OK, looks like ESR 68 support ends
September 2020, at which point we'll be forced to use 78.
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2105 [17:54:15] <Ede|Popede> they are switching from 68 to 78?
wasn't the original schedule a new one every 7 releases?
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2107 [17:54:45] <greycat> It was 60 to 68. Now apparently 68 to
78.
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2109 [17:54:56] <B|ack0p> greycat: hope not december 2020 :p
2110 [17:55:02] <B|ack0p> and wish january 2020 :p
2111 [17:55:09] <greycat> I'm just going by the page
Ede|Popede posted.
2112 [17:55:14] <Ede|Popede> long ago i mean. started with 10,
then 17, 24, .....
2113 [17:55:42] <greycat> They changed it at 52-60 apparently.
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2116 [17:56:43] <greycat> dpkg, iceweasel esr =~ s#replaced-url
2117 [17:56:43] <dpkg> OK, greycat
2118 [17:56:47] <greycat> !firefox esr
2119 [17:56:47] <dpkg> Iceweasel Extended Support Release, see
replaced-url
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2121 [17:57:56] <Ede|Popede> ah, here. the "rapid
releases" part reflects this:
replaced-url
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2124 [17:58:51] <Ede|Popede> seems they have problems being slave
to the rhythm.
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2134 [18:01:14] <dfcnvt> Little things that pissed me off:
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##replaced-url
2137 [18:02:53] <dfcnvt> 1) Whenever I make a quick command by:
'gedit' to open a new gedit...it just pull me to the
existing gedit file that doesn't create me a new file that I
executed it upon. This is true to any program --
'terminal' 'chrome' or whichever. It'll
just act as if you (alt-tab) to the desired program.
2138 [18:03:51] <dfcnvt> 2) Same thing as number 1 -- Whenever I
click on the launcher on the left side to open a new one -- it just
takes me there instead of a new one.
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2142 [18:04:50] <dfcnvt> 3) Whenever I took a screenshot (Shift +
Prt Scr) -- it just create a picture into a Pictures folder. It
didn't put in the clipboard.
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2145 [18:05:13] <dfcnvt> end rant for now.
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2150 [18:07:34] <dfcnvt> I'd like to fix/edit/solve the
problem -- approaching to every time I typed (alt + F2) For entering
a command -- such as 'gedit' it MUST create a new
gedit...not taking me to the existing gedit file.
2151 [18:07:39] <Ede|Popede> dfcnvt: firefox has --no-remote,
gedit may also reuse the existing instance by default.
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2154 [18:08:24] <Ede|Popede> may even have an option to "open
a new window/tab every time"
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2156 [18:09:01] <dfcnvt> Hm, look like for (alt + F2)....It did
create a new one. I've used (win) to 'type to search'
by filling out 'gedit'
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2160 [18:09:14] <Ede|Popede> btw, it MAY. see RFC2119 ;)
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2164 [18:10:55] <spacebug^> dfcnvt: man gedit says 'gedit
-s'
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2167 [18:11:53] <spacebug^> also for most programs you can right
click the laucher and chose "new window"
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2172 [18:12:24] <dfcnvt> Okay, let's move to next one --
(shift + prt scr) -- whenever I create a screenshot...it didn't
save it in the clipboard. How do I solve this?
2173 [18:13:02] <dfcnvt> I hate it every time when I create a
screenshot, I went and open the folder to find the screenshot file
-- opening it, then right click to 'copy' then moving on
to where I'd like to paste it to.
2174 [18:13:59] <jelly> dfcnvt, is that on Gnome?
2175 [18:14:03] <dfcnvt> Not only that but over time, the numerous
of files in Pictures folder has increased -- I had to delete it.
2176 [18:14:22] <dfcnvt> jelly: I think so -- it's all in by
default
2177 [18:14:34] <jelly> that'd be Gnome, right
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2179 [18:15:41] <dfcnvt> Yes. 3.22.2
2180 [18:15:44] <InSearchOfFreedo> Hey
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2184 [18:16:50] <InNeedOfFreedom> How do I join #security?
2185 [18:17:09] <dfcnvt> jelly:
replaced-url
2186 [18:17:23] <towo`> InNeedOfFreedom, /j #security
2187 [18:17:37] <InNeedOfFreedom> it says that the channel is
invite only
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2189 [18:18:06] <Ede|Popede> is this a redirect? > -ChanServ-
Mode lock : +iPf-s ##security
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2193 [18:19:39] <joepublic> i am pretty sure the answer is not
"hack your way in"
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2196 [18:20:36] <dfcnvt> How do I ensure every time I create a
screenshot via (prt scr) or (shift + prt scr) -- it will save it to
the clipboard? By default, I see it will save the file into the
Pictures folder -- and not in the clipboard.
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2201 [18:23:04] <Ede|Popede> dfcnvt: you may be able to assign the
key to the appropriate command (it may be even already existing,
only with the wrong option)
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2204 [18:23:25] <nvz> dfcnvt: triggerhappy + scrot + xclip
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2207 [18:23:39] <Ede|Popede> iirc i once had it using scrot with
some options
2208 [18:23:39] * nvz shrugs
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2213 [18:24:28] <dfcnvt> I took a liberty to research a bit for
myself instead of relying on you guys -- my bad habits for depending
on you. Found the solutions:
replaced-url
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2216 [18:25:16] <dfcnvt> (Ctrl + Shift + PrtSc) will do the job
for me (to select the region and copy it directly to the clipboard)
2217 [18:25:27] <InNeedOfFreedom> how do I stop debian for
forwarding network traffic at all?
2218 [18:25:35] <InNeedOfFreedom> and only allow specific programs
through
2219 [18:25:47] <InNeedOfFreedom> is there some iptables command
I'm missing? I haven't found a way to do it
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2226 [18:30:50] <jelly> InNeedOfFreedom, is routing enabled at
all? "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
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2235 [18:34:44] <Ede|Popede> hm. none of the "Pictures"
keys work for me. seems to be specific to whatever environment.
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2242 [18:37:58] <InNeedOfFreedom> How do I hide the fact that
I'm using debian from websites and port scanners? I'm
thinking off forwarding all my network traffic to a windows computer
so that only the TCP/IP stack of that computer is exposed to the
internet and modifying the user agent to show as windows 10. I know
that some trig functions and services running can give away my OS
though. How do I hide everything so it looks like I'm running
Windows to the
2243 [18:37:58] <InNeedOfFreedom> outside world?
2244 [18:38:30] <greycat> *plonk*
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2246 [18:41:19] <petn-randall> *plonk*
2247 [18:41:47] <towo`> InNeedOfFreedom, buy a router
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2249 [18:42:21] <dfcnvt> InNeedOfFreedom: If you're using the
browser that you'd like to mask your user agent (as whole, your
browser & the system you're using) then I think you should
look into the extension that provides that solutions -- Some queries
you can look into something like, 'user agent' or
'user agent switcher' or something like that.
2250 [18:42:32] <section1> InNeedOfFreedom, you have shame of
using debian ? :D
2251 [18:42:58] <dfcnvt> This is one example:
replaced-url
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2260 [18:50:04] <InNeedOfFreedom> I don't just want to switch
my user agent, that's easy. What I want to do is to be able to
completely bypass and spoof browser fingerprinting. I want to get to
the point where I can at least fool this
replaced-url
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2264 [18:51:57] <jelly> InNeedOfFreedom, run an actual windows
browser, then.
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2266 [18:52:37] <towo`> or don't use the
replaced-url
2267 [18:52:37] <jelly> set up a windows vm image, start a new one
every time with a clean browser config
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2269 [18:53:37] <jelly> route its traffic over any outbound ip
addresses.
2270 [18:53:44] <jelly> many* dammit
2271 [18:54:41] <jelly> something like a qubes or tails, but with
us english windows 10 for browser
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2273 [18:56:33] <Ede|Popede> to fake *this* site, hide in the
crowd. which means making the same selections like "everybody
else". which probably wouldn't be a good choice in terms
of privacy and trackability.
2274 [18:58:00] <InNeedOfFreedom> why wouldn't that be?
2275 [18:58:05] <jelly> the question seems a bit out of scope for
this channel, but I don't know if there's a
##opsec-for-journalists-activists-and-paranoid-people
2276 [18:58:53] <Ede|Popede> heh, fonts and addons would be a real
challenge. got <0.01% there :D
2277 [18:59:09] <InNeedOfFreedom> I wanted to do this in #security
but it's invite only so yeah
2278 [18:59:28] <jelly> there is no #security, only ##security
2279 [18:59:30] <Ede|Popede> InNeedOfFreedom: ask yourself, do
people really care about privacy?
2280 [18:59:38] <InNeedOfFreedom> I do
2281 [18:59:48] <Ede|Popede> *you* are *one* people ;)
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2283 [18:59:55] <InNeedOfFreedom> fair
2284 [19:00:09] <Ede|Popede> most don't give a damn and even
more have no clue about howstuffworks
2285 [19:00:26] <InNeedOfFreedom> I could write an essay on this
but I don't want to bore you, I'll sum it up quick. People
do but aren't usually willing to go to extreme lengths to
protect their privacy
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2289 [19:00:49] <InNeedOfFreedom> or feel an inability to protect
it in our modern world
2290 [19:01:10] * jelly wonders how "why is opsec a worthwhile
goal" topical for #debian eve when "how to do opsec on
Debian" is not
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2292 [19:01:21] <InNeedOfFreedom> I mean u asked so...
2293 [19:01:40] <jelly> Ede|Popede should know better!
2294 [19:02:01] <Ede|Popede> ontopic on offtopic ;)
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2296 [19:02:48] <InNeedOfFreedom> If privacy was just a lever
someone could pull to turn on and off I guarantee you that almost
everyone would keep it on, sadly it's a lot harder than that.
2297 [19:03:16] <InNeedOfFreedom> But anyways, you guys know any
tools that can run on debian that can fool nmap?
2298 [19:03:37] <InNeedOfFreedom> or a setup I could use to make
it appear to the outside world that I am running windows
2299 [19:03:50] <InNeedOfFreedom> not just my browser, but port
scanners as well
2300 [19:04:02] <Ede|Popede> where does debian report itself as
debian?
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2302 [19:04:24] <InNeedOfFreedom> a lot of places indirectly
2303 [19:04:31] <InNeedOfFreedom> canvas rendering (like shown on
that site)
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2305 [19:04:40] <InNeedOfFreedom> some advanced trig functions
return different values than windows
2306 [19:04:41] <Ede|Popede> canvas is browser, not OS level.
2307 [19:04:43] <petn-randall> InNeedOfFreedom: Why just not
firewall all inbound connections?
2308 [19:04:55] <InNeedOfFreedom> and the TCP/IP stack is a dead
giveaway
2309 [19:04:57] <petn-randall> InNeedOfFreedom: I'm pretty
sure windows 10 behaves the same on public networks.
2310 [19:05:03] <Ede|Popede> don't run any services listening
to the world
2311 [19:05:08] <InNeedOfFreedom> I did
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2313 [19:05:17] <InNeedOfFreedom> Nmap still managed to figure out
I was on debian
2314 [19:05:33] <petn-randall> InNeedOfFreedom: If you want
Windows' TCP/IP stack you need to run Windows.
2315 [19:05:45] <petn-randall> InNeedOfFreedom: Show us the nmap
output then.
2316 [19:05:49] <InNeedOfFreedom> I was thinking of forwarding my
internet traffic to a windows computer
2317 [19:06:01] <InNeedOfFreedom> and going from there
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2319 [19:06:15] <InNeedOfFreedom> so debian machine --> windows
computer on LAN --> Internet
2320 [19:06:21] <petn-randall> InNeedOfFreedom: Show us the nmap
output then.
2321 [19:06:29] <InNeedOfFreedom> I can't rn, don't have
my debian machine with me
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2323 [19:07:04] <InNeedOfFreedom> but would that at least work in
theory?
2324 [19:07:06] <petn-randall> InNeedOfFreedom: Let's
continue this discussion when you have, then, because forwarding all
traffic through a windows machine won't solve your problems.
2325 [19:07:13] <InNeedOfFreedom> ok
2326 [19:07:20] <petn-randall> No, it wouldn't work in
theory.
2327 [19:07:39] <petn-randall> At least not without creating much
larger problems.
2328 [19:07:50] <InNeedOfFreedom> but...
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2335 [19:12:57] <Ede|Popede> the only reason i could image where
i'd want to hide my browser/OS would be Disney or similar crap.
but i wouldn't pay them anyway so... and then i'm pretty
sure they still have the chance to find out that Widevine
doesn't support their encryption level here.
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2338 [19:16:39] <petn-randall> Their question is basically
"How can I be Windows down to the packet level without being
Windows", which is the wrong question to a different goal.
2339 [19:18:20] <InNeedOfFreedom> I just don't want anyone to
know I'm running Debian, best cast scenario is to make it look
like I'm running windows 10 to the outside world
2340 [19:18:37] <InNeedOfFreedom> that's my goa
2341 [19:18:38] <greycat> My semi-serious answer to this whole
ultra-paranoid time-wasting debacle is: (1) disable all services,
(2) change user-agent in all clients that pass a user-agent, (3)
route packets through a generic consumer router to defeat "OS
fingerprinting".
2342 [19:18:40] <InNeedOfFreedom> *goal
2343 [19:19:02] <greycat> A safer answer is "turn your
computer off".
2344 [19:19:10] <Akuw> hi
2345 [19:19:18] <Ede|Popede> and remove the debian sticker!
2346 [19:19:26] <InNeedOfFreedom> haha good one
2347 [19:19:46] <Akuw> i just added deb
replaced-url
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2349 [19:20:08] <InNeedOfFreedom> Your talking to a man who's
on the watchlist of a totalitarian government, nothing is
"ultra-paranoid"
2350 [19:20:17] <Akuw> i am looking for openjdk-7-jre:amd64
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2352 [19:20:21] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
2353 [19:20:21] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb
replaced-url
2354 [19:20:22] <Akuw> but is not there
2355 [19:21:00] <Akuw> greycat: ok, let me change to see
2356 [19:21:05] <InNeedOfFreedom> just run the oracle versions?
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2358 [19:21:48] <Ede|Popede> InNeedOfFreedom: #debian-offtopic ?
2359 [19:21:53] <InNeedOfFreedom> nvm
2360 [19:22:13] <InNeedOfFreedom> did you forgot to sudo apt-get
update Akuw?
2361 [19:22:27] * Ede|Popede doesn't want to spam the channel with
comments completely unrelated to debian
2362 [19:22:35] <InNeedOfFreedom> ah ok
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2364 [19:22:47] <petn-randall> InNeedOfFreedom: I doubt
there's much to fingerprint if you firewall properly, so
I'm eagerly awaiting your nmap output.
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2366 [19:23:10] <InNeedOfFreedom> I probably failed to firewall,
I'm pretty new to ip tables
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2370 [19:23:56] <InNeedOfFreedom> Akuw, just run "sudo
apt-get update && suto apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk"
2371 [19:24:07] <Akuw_> there is only openjdk-7-jre
2372 [19:24:09] <InNeedOfFreedom> speleld that wrong
2373 [19:24:27] <InNeedOfFreedom> hmm
2374 [19:24:29] <greycat> ,v openjdk-7-jre
2375 [19:24:29] <InNeedOfFreedom> that's wierd
2376 [19:24:30] <judd> Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- jessie:
7u181-2.6.14-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 7u241-2.6.20-1~deb8u1
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2378 [19:24:31] <Akuw_> no 8 version. Is that in another repo?
2379 [19:24:40] <InNeedOfFreedom> why do u need jdk 7?
2380 [19:24:41] <greycat> ,v openjdk-8-jre
2381 [19:24:42] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- stretch:
8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u232-b09-1
2382 [19:24:50] <InNeedOfFreedom> jdk 8 is backwards compatible
with 7
2383 [19:24:51] <greycat> 7 is in jessie, 8 is in stretch
2384 [19:24:51] <Akuw_> i need 8
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2386 [19:24:58] <greycat> Did you not see this YESTERDAY?
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2388 [19:25:06] <greycat> Do you have judd on ignore or something?
2389 [19:25:07] <Akuw_> no
2390 [19:25:08] <InNeedOfFreedom> sudo apt-get install
openjdk-8-jdk
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2392 [19:25:10] <InNeedOfFreedom> done
2393 [19:25:27] <greycat> I *know* I did this for you yesterday,
and then ranted at you about you not being capable of doing it
yourself despite being a long-time Debian user.
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2396 [19:26:12] <Akuw_> greycat: i am just asking about if this
repo has 8 version
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2398 [19:26:47] <greycat> If you need a specific stupidly old Java
runtime version on your quite old (no longer officially supported)
Debian release, just download whatever Java runtime you need from
Oracle, unpack it in /opt, set up symlinks to it from common PATH
directories, and be happy.
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2400 [19:26:59] <greycat> Don't bend over backwards trying to
beat one out of the Debian package archives.
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2406 [19:27:56] <greycat> Akuw_: *TWICE* now I've had judd
show you which release(s) of Debian have the -8- package.
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2408 [19:28:09] <Akuw_> greycat: well that is an option, other
option is to know why there is headless 8 but jre 7
2409 [19:28:10] <greycat> jessie is not one of them
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2440 [19:47:25] <InNeedOfFreedom> Can I run the small debian 10
iso image without internet?
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2442 [19:48:26] <diogenes_> InNeedOfFreedom, it's just debian
with no xorg.
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2445 [19:50:37] <jelly> InNeedOfFreedom, you can run a live image.
You can install an installer image. netinst is an installer image.
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2463 [20:01:23] <Habbie> can i start the android emulator from
some package available in Debian Buster, or do i need external
sources?
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2465 [20:03:26] <jelly> is there any android emulator worth a damn
that is also free software?
2466 [20:03:27] <Habbie> aha, google-android-platform-24-installer
2467 [20:03:38] <Habbie> jelly, the one in the sdk has not made me
unhappy on macos in the past
2468 [20:03:40] <jelly> that sounds like contrib
2469 [20:03:50] <jelly> ,v google-android-platform-24-installer
2470 [20:03:51] <judd> Package:
google-android-platform-24-installer on amd64 -- stretch/contrib:
24+r02; bullseye/contrib: 24+r02+nmu3; buster/contrib: 24+r02+nmu3;
sid/contrib: 24+r02+nmu3
2471 [20:03:54] <Habbie> Section: contrib/devel
2472 [20:03:56] <Habbie> yes
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2475 [20:04:40] <Habbie> hmm, not immediately clear how to run it
yet
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2494 [20:19:02] <johnfg> hey guys
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2496 [20:19:52] <johnfg> Anyone have any thoughts on fixing the
problem(s) with the openvpn systemd script? From being with the
#openvpn and #systemd folks, I think it's narrowed down to
that, but no fix yet :-(
2497 [20:20:43] <HelloShitty> Hello everyone
2498 [20:20:58] <HelloShitty> How do I switch from one user to a
newly created one in terminal?
2499 [20:21:04] <HelloShitty> I tried sudo -u newuser
2500 [20:21:12] <HelloShitty> but it shows me the usage menu
2501 [20:21:22] <polyphem> su - newuser
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2503 [20:22:44] <HelloShitty> What is the problem with the `sudo
-u newuser`
2504 [20:22:46] <HelloShitty> ?
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2507 [20:23:49] <greycat> It works too well and is too easy.
2508 [20:23:54] <polyphem> sudo is for executing a single command
as the newuser , wheras su is s(witch)u(ser) , it gives you a shell
2509 [20:24:16] <greycat> HelloShitty: what's the rest of the
command?
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2512 [20:24:54] <HelloShitty> hum, ok
2513 [20:25:00] <HelloShitty> What command greycat ?
2514 [20:25:05] <greycat> If you want a LOGIN shell as this new
user, you want the -i option. If you want a NON-LOGIN shell as that
user, the -s option.
2515 [20:25:41] <HelloShitty> I just created a new user (with no
root permissions) for my daughter. I want her to start using the
laptop
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2517 [20:25:45] <HelloShitty> that's all
2518 [20:25:59] <greycat> Log out. Log in as her.
2519 [20:26:02] <HelloShitty> and now I want to login with her
account to restrict the access to some sites
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2522 [20:26:22] <HelloShitty> I don't want to logout. I want
to keep my session alive
2523 [20:26:32] <HelloShitty> I want to keep some applications
running under my account
2524 [20:26:44] <HelloShitty> suck as rtorrent and a couple of
other applicaitons
2525 [20:26:49] <greycat> What do you expect her to do, then? Just
type commands in a single shell, with no GUI?
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2527 [20:27:06] <greycat> rtorrent is a terminal application. You
can run that in screen and have it continue after you logout.
2528 [20:27:13] <greycat> (or tmux)
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2530 [20:27:36] <HelloShitty> no, of course not. I want her to
have a normal desktop and access to word processing applications and
etc
2531 [20:28:01] <jelly> HelloShitty, maybe, just maybe, your lock
screemn / display manager has a way to keep your session running and
start a new session, logging in possibly a different user
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2533 [20:28:42] <HelloShitty> The thing is that this is my laptop
and I have my stuff running all day. Laptop stays turned on all day.
And when my daughter comes from school, I'm not home yet. So I
want to let her to access to her account to do her stuff but keep my
stuff running at the same time
2534 [20:28:50] <greycat> Or failing that, you could do
Ctrl-Alt-F2, log her in on the console, and do "startx --
:1".
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2536 [20:29:12] <jelly> HelloShitty, sddm and kde have that. I
don't know which DM and DE you use, look for something like
"switch user"
2537 [20:29:18] <greycat> In any case, just giving her a single
shell in a single window isn't going to give her the full GUI.
2538 [20:29:22] <HelloShitty> I used sddm and Plasma Desktop
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2540 [20:29:37] <HelloShitty> s/used/use
2541 [20:29:40] <jelly> HelloShitty, so lock you screen. And then
open a new session.
2542 [20:29:50] <HelloShitty> ok, I get that
2543 [20:30:08] <jelly> which is just a different way of "log
in as her"
2544 [20:30:10] <HelloShitty> but to do some simple configuration,
I can switch to her user in terminal
2545 [20:30:11] <HelloShitty> right?
2546 [20:30:35] <HelloShitty> and do what I want "as
her"
2547 [20:30:37] <greycat> Yes, you can get either a login or
non-login shell running as her.
2548 [20:30:46] <jelly> if it's ANYTHING DE-related, it might
not work well.
2549 [20:30:53] <greycat> You just have to finish the sudo
command. You only typed part of it.
2550 [20:31:09] <HelloShitty> no, I just want to block access to
some sites, for now
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2552 [20:31:37] <HelloShitty> You mean `sudo -u newuser` is
incomplete?
2553 [20:31:47] <jelly> if that is done using a GUI tool, then my
best guess is log in properly, not via su -, not via sudo ... -i
2554 [20:32:00] <greycat> Yes. That's why you got the usage
error. Either give the -i option or the -s option, as I said
EARLIER.
2555 [20:32:02] <jelly> HelloShitty, that one is missing -i
2556 [20:32:24] <jelly> at the end, sudo -u tomcat -i
2557 [20:32:30] <greycat> Or give the name of a specific shell you
want to run.
2558 [20:32:43] <HelloShitty> ah ok
2559 [20:32:48] <jelly> erm, Your daughter is not a tomcat, sorry,
that's really mechanical memory for me
2560 [20:33:01] <greycat> she could be
2561 [20:33:01] <HelloShitty> that's fine
2562 [20:33:05] <jelly> or could have been oracle!
2563 [20:33:07] <HelloShitty> I never told my daughter's name
2564 [20:33:14] <HelloShitty> so you had come make one up
2565 [20:33:15] <HelloShitty> :p
2566 [20:33:39] <HelloShitty> ok, thanks for the help
2567 [20:33:45] <HelloShitty> ahh
2568 [20:33:52] <HelloShitty> I have yet one more quesiton
2569 [20:33:53] <HelloShitty> sorry
2570 [20:33:58] <jelly> we already have too many cats.
2571 [20:34:23] <HelloShitty> forget it
2572 [20:34:25] <HelloShitty> lol
2573 [20:34:31] <HelloShitty> I got the answer
2574 [20:34:51] <jelly> !win HelloShitty
2575 [20:34:52] <dpkg> Congratulations, HelloShitty! You have won
the US presidency!
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2590 [20:44:58] <HelloShitty> I'm in trouble
2591 [20:44:59] <HelloShitty> lol
2592 [20:45:19] <HelloShitty> I switched to her account using the
desktop menu
2593 [20:45:35] <HelloShitty> then I tried to logout and I just
got a black screen
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2597 [20:45:55] <HelloShitty> so I hit ALT+F2 and logged in with
her account/password
2598 [20:46:08] <HelloShitty> then I switched to root
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2601 [20:46:49] <HelloShitty> then I switched to my account and I
thought that by trying `startx` it would resume the login session I
had before
2602 [20:46:58] <HelloShitty> but I got errors from xorg
2603 [20:46:59] <HelloShitty> lol
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2605 [20:47:11] <HelloShitty> Now I have to reboot and shutdown my
applications
2606 [20:47:18] <greycat> startx will never resume a session. it
starts a new session.
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2608 [20:47:46] <HelloShitty> So, at this point I have no chance
to resume my account session from the command line?
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2610 [20:48:20] <greycat> What you want to do is cycle through all
the consoles, Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2, etc., and see if you can
bring yours back. The most common places for it to be are on 1 or 7.
2611 [20:48:54] <HelloShitty> What am I supposed to expect if I
can find the session?
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2613 [20:49:18] <HelloShitty> Like, what will I see while hitting
those keys combinations if I find my session?
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2615 [20:49:41] <greycat> A... locked KDE session? Whatever
isn't a Linux text console.
2616 [20:49:57] <HelloShitty> ok, going to try
2617 [20:50:13] <HelloShitty> CTRL+ALT+F..., right?
2618 [20:50:23] <HelloShitty> That's always the same no
matter the laptop?
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2620 [20:50:52] <HelloShitty> I use ALT+F... to start new command
line sessions (or whatever they are called)
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2622 [20:51:08] <greycat> That only works if you're already
on a text console. It doesn't work if you're on X.
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2624 [20:51:29] <HelloShitty> ok, and if I find it, what should I
do next?
2625 [20:51:36] <greycat> unlock your session
2626 [20:52:18] <HelloShitty> But by commands? Or I'll get
the GUI stuff?
2627 [20:53:36] <HelloShitty> ok, I got it
2628 [20:53:38] <HelloShitty> thanks
2629 [20:53:43] <HelloShitty> !win
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2631 [20:53:45] <HelloShitty> lol
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2633 [20:54:19] <HelloShitty> back
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2635 [20:54:38] <jelly> default session for sddm should be on
ctrl-alt-f7 historically and accidentally set for X (because there
were 6 open gettys on the first 6 consoles)
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2637 [20:55:08] <HelloShitty> I'm already in my session
2638 [20:55:17] <greycat> as I said, 1 and 7 are the most common
places for one's initial X session to be
2639 [20:55:17] <jelly> and if you'd used that switch user
thing, I _think_ the new session would have used first available
unused tty
2640 [20:55:34] <jelly> 1? That is unexpected for me.
2641 [20:55:37] <HelloShitty> but when I try to change to my
daughter's account, it is not accepting the password I set
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2643 [20:55:53] <jelly> change to, how precisely?
2644 [20:56:05] <greycat> I login on tty1 and do startx, and my X
session takes over tty1. So for me, it's Ctrl-Alt-F1.
2645 [20:56:14] <HelloShitty> let me try again
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2647 [20:56:41] <jelly> verify the default keymap (used by text
console and display manager) and your user session keymap are the
same
2648 [20:57:35] <jelly> greycat, wow, "startx takes over
current tty" is also unexpected for me
2649 [20:57:40] <HelloShitty> sudo -u daughterusername -p
daughterpassword bash
2650 [20:57:54] <greycat> That started in stretch, I believe.
Along with the modesetting stuff.
2651 [20:57:55] * jelly has not used startx, probably this decade
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2653 [20:58:49] <HelloShitty> su -s daughterusername
2654 [20:58:58] <HelloShitty> asks the password and it says
it's wrong
2655 [20:59:13] <HelloShitty> but I have already changed it using
root user and still not accepting it
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2658 [21:01:29] <jelly> sudo man page here says -p is something
completely unrelated to passwords
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2664 [21:03:49] <jim> HelloShitty, daughter changed her password?
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2667 [21:04:13] <HelloShitty> I changed it to see if I got it
wrong somehow
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2670 [21:05:05] <HelloShitty> dinner time
2671 [21:05:07] <HelloShitty> brb
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2675 [21:08:02] * jelly uses passwords without characters that are in
different places on US keymap and local keymap. And frowns on
vendors and coworkers that leave linux installations with console
set to anything BUT us keymap
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2677 [21:10:42] <jelly> knowing that, it's about, let's
say, 10% easier to crack them
2678 [21:11:04] <Janni> Hello there. I'm having a little
conundrum. I exchanged emails with someone and I can't figure
out how the exchange came to be encrypted with PGP. Here's the
setup:
2679 [21:11:57] <Janni> Her: Protonmail.com. Me: Thunderbird +
Enigmail. She sent me en email (unencrypted), I replied to that
email and that mail was already (automatically) encrypted. I have no
idea how the public key got into my keychain.
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2681 [21:12:23] <Janni> I head a look at the email headers and
while my reply includes a "Autocrypt" header, her's
didn't.
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2683 [21:13:03] <Janni> I never had an exchange with that person
before... Does anybody know what magic this is?
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2689 [21:18:23] <jelly> Janni, does Enigmail support and
optimistically use keybase.io whenever possible, perhaps?
2690 [21:19:43] <Habbie> jelly, i don't like to nitpick
language, but i feel it might be relevant here: are you looking for
'opportunistically'?
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2692 [21:20:52] <jelly> Habbie, yes, thank you
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2698 [21:25:47] <Janni> jelly: That's possible but I
can't find anything in the configuration menus that would
indicate that. Thanks though.
2699 [21:27:02] <jelly> and there was also a DANE-like thing for
pgp wasn't there
2700 [21:27:07] <Habbie> OPENPGPKEY
2701 [21:27:18] <Habbie> i'm not aware of any traction for
that, but i may have missed it
2702 [21:27:26] <jhutchins> I had to do an employment test on a
system that turned out to be set to use a Hungarian keyboard.
2703 [21:27:30] <Habbie> and then there's SRV records for
finding hkp(s) servers
2704 [21:27:30] <jhutchins> Didn't get that job.
2705 [21:27:59] <jelly>
replaced-url
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2707 [21:28:47] <jelly> jhutchins, you just need to find "l,
o, a, d, k, e, y, s, and space and u"!
2708 [21:29:20] <jhutchins> Hm.
2709 [21:29:28] <jelly> could do that even on dvorak in a
reasonable time frame :-)
2710 [21:29:34] <jhutchins> I don't do much that would
require that knowledge.
2711 [21:30:15] <jhutchins> I did have to struggle a bit on the
keyboards in the library in England when I ssh'ed back home.
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2715 [21:33:35] <warsoul> how to update grub
2716 [21:33:36] <warsoul> ?
2717 [21:33:42] <warsoul> update-grub not working
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2720 [21:34:47] <towo`> warsoul, "not working" sayes
zero
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2723 [21:35:32] <davidl> GhostScript question ... is this the
right channel?
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2725 [21:35:55] <towo`> davidl, why here again?
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2729 [21:36:31] <towo`> davidl, <ou asked the same question a
few seconds before in the oftc network
2730 [21:37:10] <rootkea> Hello! I would like to install adb and
fastboot in Debian Buster. Which package should I install? I'm
thinking android-sdk-platform-tools. Am I right or will it install
bloat? Thanks!
2731 [21:37:17] <davidl33> Yeah, wasn't sure if this was the
same network... apologies for the cross-post.
2732 [21:37:44] <towo`> rootkea, apt install adb fastboot
2733 [21:38:19] <warsoul> towo`?
2734 [21:38:27] <annadane> !not working
2735 [21:38:27] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
2736 [21:38:29] <towo`> warsoul, what?
2737 [21:38:30] <annadane> warsoul, ^
2738 [21:38:41] <rootkea> towo`,
replaced-url
2739 [21:38:42] <warsoul> trying to update my grub
2740 [21:38:45] <warsoul> but is not working
2741 [21:38:47] <warsoul> the command
2742 [21:38:49] <annadane> *why* doesn't update-grub not
work?
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2744 [21:38:52] <annadane> give output
2745 [21:39:09] <towo`> warsoul, "is not working" is
even saying zero
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2747 [21:39:24] <warsoul> nothing
2748 [21:39:27] <warsoul> says command not found
2749 [21:39:37] <towo`> rootkea, ant what's the problem with
running that as root?
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2752 [21:39:49] <greycat> !buster su
2753 [21:39:49] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put
"ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See
replaced-url
2754 [21:40:11] <annadane> warsoul, become root with su - instead
of su
2755 [21:40:20] <rootkea> towo`, Why to run anything as root if
the same can be achieved with non-privileged user?
2756 [21:40:35] <rootkea> I mean what if there's some bug..
2757 [21:40:52] <towo`> rootkea, because you do not want the
bloated platform-tools?
2758 [21:40:58] <warsoul> done
2759 [21:41:03] <warsoul> annadane, worked
2760 [21:41:11] <warsoul> how do i add freebsd to the grub
2761 [21:41:29] <towo`> ps-prober?
2762 [21:41:31] <annadane> did you not get answered yesterday?
2763 [21:41:33] <towo`> grr
2764 [21:41:38] <towo`> os-prober?
2765 [21:41:45] <warsoul> i fall to sleep
2766 [21:42:07] <rootkea> towo`, Ah, is android-sdk-platform-tools
the least bloated package which provides adb and fastboot which
don't need to be root?
2767 [21:42:40] <rootkea> If yes then I think I'll go with
that :)
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2779 [21:50:49] <maxximoclp> Ciao a tutti
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2781 [21:50:56] <maxximoclp> !list
2782 [21:50:56] <dpkg> maxximoclp: È possibile scaricare un
sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a
replaced-url
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2794 [21:58:34] <hugo__> Hello everybody. What is the best way to
add ssh pubkey passphrase at startup without taping ?
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2812 [22:19:51] <jwk> i removed nginx files and im trying re
install it , but the files doesn't come again , using : apt-get
remove nginx && apt-get install nginx
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2814 [22:20:03] <jwk> but the nginx files still deleted
2815 [22:20:09] <greycat> !confmiss
2816 [22:20:09] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging
system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is
assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o
DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall
$packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the
package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about
<ucf confmiss>.
2817 [22:21:24] <warsoul> my mouse middle scroller scrolls or all
the way to the top or all the way to the bottom
2818 [22:21:28] <warsoul> how can i check that
2819 [22:21:37] <warsoul> changed by itself
2820 [22:21:42] <warsoul> dont did nothing to the settings
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2839 [22:35:46] <B|ack0p> any good screenshot taker app for
debian?
2840 [22:35:49] <B|ack0p> on xfce ?
2841 [22:36:04] <B|ack0p> i installed gnome-screenshot but i am
not sure
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2843 [22:36:21] <greycat> what do you want, that gnome-screenshot
isn't doing?
2844 [22:36:32] <B|ack0p> it runs when i click on actual app
2845 [22:36:46] <B|ack0p> but to be able to use PrtScr i need to
asign on keyboard settings
2846 [22:37:03] <joepublic> xfce4-screenshooter isn't bad.
2847 [22:37:09] <greycat> so your real question is, "how do I
bind a command to a key in xfce?"
2848 [22:37:15] <B|ack0p> what could be the run command for
gnome-screenshot ?
2849 [22:37:45] <B|ack0p> greycat: that too also i am looking if
there is a good one for Greenshot alternative
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2851 [22:37:57] <B|ack0p> which will be able to grab area and copy
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2855 [22:39:54] <greycat> Personally, I am more of a command-line
user than a GUI user. I commonly use scrot -s from a terminal. That
waits for me to drag a rectangle using the mouse, and creates an
image of whatever was in the rectangle, and saves it to a file.
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2857 [22:40:50] <B|ack0p> does scrot have gui?
2858 [22:41:03] <greycat> I'm going to guess and say
"no".
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2860 [22:41:15] <greycat> I don't have a clue what you want
in a GUI in a screen shot tool.
2861 [22:41:34] <abrotman> you seem to have been given two GUI
options
2862 [22:41:40] <B|ack0p> ok then how can i find out run command
of gnome-screenshot ?
2863 [22:41:45] <moaker> i use deepin screenshot
2864 [22:42:16] <jhutchins> B|ack0p: The default xfce in Debian
comes with xfce4-screenshooter already bount to alt-PringScreen
2865 [22:43:05] <moaker> I got a question guys, is there a way I
can add a ubuntu repo to kali, I need to install one app :(
2866 [22:43:11] <greycat> !kali
2867 [22:43:11] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2868 [22:43:20] <jhutchins> B|ack0p: Did you check for a manpage?
Did you look in /usr/share/docs?
2869 [22:43:21] <B|ack0p> jhutchins: it doesnt seem
xfce4-screenshooter installed by default on my system
2870 [22:43:43] <greycat> B|ack0p: and you checked this by running
"dpkg -l xfce4-screenshooter"? And the output was...?
2871 [22:43:58] <at0m> fwiw, x11-apps package has xwd for
screenshots
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2873 [22:44:37] <jhutchins> B|ack0p: If there is a desktop icon or
a menu entry, you can right-click and get it's properties to
see what command it uses.
2874 [22:45:32] <B|ack0p> ok i installed xfce4-screenshooter
2875 [22:45:55] <B|ack0p> greycat: it was not installed i just
installed
2876 [22:46:03] <B|ack0p> and assigned key for it
2877 [22:46:07] <B|ack0p> now it works thx
2878 [22:46:30] <jhutchins> It's probably pulled in by some
"extras" package, I didn't manually install it here.
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2880 [22:46:49] <moaker> i cant seem to get onboard working on my
distro, can somebody help me out
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2882 [22:46:59] <moaker>
replaced-url
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2885 [22:47:29] <jhutchins> Probably xfce4-goodies
2886 [22:47:29] <B|ack0p> probably
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2888 [22:47:40] <B|ack0p> what does goodies include?
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2892 [22:48:04] <jhutchins> B|ack0p: Query it and see.
2893 [22:48:13] <moaker> did I download the wrong file,
2894 [22:48:14] <greycat> !deepin
2895 [22:48:14] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based
on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at
replaced-url
2896 [22:48:22] <sdje> I want to install debian on an Acer Aspire
One. The wifi is not recognised, I suspect because of proprietary
firmware. Is there a way around it?
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2900 [22:49:26] <nkuttler> sdje: install the firmware?
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2902 [22:49:45] <nyov> use a wire
2903 [22:49:48] <nyov> :D
2904 [22:49:59] <sdje> no wire possible, unfortunately
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2906 [22:50:18] <sdje> nkuttler, how so?
2907 [22:50:37] <jhutchins> !firmware
2908 [22:50:37] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic
devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux
kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace,
notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part
of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some
are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask
me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>.
replaced-url
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2911 [22:51:29] <moaker> so they implemented touch screen for
debian i guess that includes kali linux right
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2913 [22:51:59] <greycat> We do not know anything about Kali or
Deepin.
2914 [22:52:08] <greycat> Go ask the correct channels.
2915 [22:52:10] <tomreyn> sdje: "tethering" a
"smartphone" can work for providing network connectivity.
2916 [22:52:24] <moaker> okay, i thought kali was a debian distro,
my apologies
2917 [22:53:20] <dvs> !based on debian
2918 [22:53:20] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
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2920 [22:53:44] <sdje> thanks I will try it
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2923 [22:54:14] <joepublic> yeah but I already asked in #whatever
and nobody is answering
2924 [22:54:36] <moaker> okay, thank you dvs, linux and kali are
invite only unfortunately for me
2925 [22:54:52] <skyler> Hello
2926 [22:55:28] <greycat> moaker: almost every channel on Freenode
needs you to register with nickserv, because of spammers.,
2927 [22:55:36] <Ede|Popede> moaker: nothing wrong with a freenode
account
2928 [22:55:57] <joepublic> and who is the "they", just
curious, who is just now implementing touch screens?
2929 [22:56:00] <moaker> i see, no worries I will do that, thank
you
2930 [22:56:21] <moaker> oops, sorry
2931 [22:57:07] <moaker> joepublic, I was unaware that most had
already done touch support, looking on google and youtube came up
with nothing lol
2932 [22:57:51] <joepublic> touch support is everywhere I'd
say; multitouch support is what to watch for maybe.
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2934 [22:58:07] <jhutchins> Tethering a smartphone usually
requires a working wifi connection.
2935 [22:58:43] <moaker> i identified and registered with nickserv
thank you
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2940 [23:00:52] <kingsley> Ready for Kingsley's stupendous
New Year's prediction for 2020? Hold on to your virtual reality
goggles, hacker! 2020 will be the year that <cough> systemd
gets its own editor, command line and air conditioner!
2941 [23:01:08] <kingsley> Or not.
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2943 [23:03:18] <greycat> kingsley: no Tetris?
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2980 [23:21:32] <skyler> so, how is everybody?
2981 [23:21:59] <joepublic> great. Holiday interregnum of
champions here.
2982 [23:22:06] <skyler> Nice
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3024 [23:47:47] <hatter__> what is libdb ?
3025 [23:48:15] <hatter__> how do I query the irc bot about stuff
?
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3034 [23:51:19] <kingsley> hatter__: I suppose it depends on the
context, but "libdb" might be an abbreviation of libraries
(for the) Berkeley Database.
3035 [23:52:09] <hatter__> kingsley, thx, I did dpkg --audit on a
stretch box, database, they need to be reinstalled: libdb4.5
Berkeley v4.5 Database Libraries [runtime]
3036 [23:52:35] <hatter__> but I am not sure what libdb is needed
for, how do I find out more about it ?
3037 [23:52:40] <kingsley> hatter__: Maybe you'd find an
answer to your question about querrying the bot by typing...
"/help" without the double quotes.
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3041 [23:53:59] <hatter__> kingsley, thx, when i type
'/help' in this window, it opens an external web page
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3046 [23:56:02] <kingsley> hatter__: You're welcome. Happy
holidays! You can find out more about libdb by typing it, or its
full name, into an internet search engine. I just tried it and found
a link to a wiki page for Debian at
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3054 [23:57:54] <hatter__> kingsley, thank you
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3056 [23:58:51] <jhutchins> I was building Linux POS terminals
with touchscreens ten years ago.
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3059 [23:59:34] <kingsley> hatter__: No problem. Debian also has a
wiki page for the IRC bot. It's at
replaced-url
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