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3[00:01:31] <wyoung> any one? lxc with xen?
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42[00:23:11] <jaggz> babilen, sorry.. fell asleep :) You responded to my question about stable vs. jessie
43[00:23:18] <jaggz> "It's also important to use the terms stable, testing, unstable, etc., instead of squeeze, wheezy, sid, etc., since stable is a moving target and when it comes time to upgrade to the latest stable, apt/aptitude will figure that out automatically."
44[00:23:23] <jaggz> replaced-url
45[00:23:29] <jaggz> I've always wondered about that
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50[00:25:27] <missmbob> that "article" is filled with bullshit
51[00:25:34] <missmbob> that's terrible advice
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53[00:25:55] <jaggz> ew
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55[00:28:18] <pingfloyd> jaggz: replaced-url
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65[00:30:41] <jaggz> pingfloyd, thank you so much
66[00:30:44] <pingfloyd> lol, in the serverfault link it is ironic how the response that linked to the manual has so few of votes.
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68[00:30:52] <jaggz> (you too, missmbob)
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72[00:31:09] <jaggz> pingfloyd, yeah I was thinking that was messed up
73[00:31:24] <pingfloyd> that just goes to show you what a mixed bag serverfault can be of good and poor advice.
74[00:31:31] <jaggz> "..didn't the 68 vote article back there have this?"
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76[00:31:41] <jaggz> oh definitely
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78[00:31:57] <jaggz> it's the yahoo answers of the tech world
79[00:32:08] <jaggz> ;)
80[00:32:14] <jaggz> I'm glad it's around
81[00:32:25] <jaggz> well shoot..
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85[00:33:28] <jaggz> my goals in doing anything at all with testing would be to 1. Get a newer version of some stuff needed for libreoffice dialog windows to get their focus right (which was some bug in libreoffice or kde4, I don't recall)
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88[00:34:13] <jaggz> 2. the issue at the moment: Non-free nvidia cuda toolkit 6.5 is in stable -- but I'm working with blender dev builds and it needs 7.5 (which is in testing)
89[00:34:25] <jaggz> and 3. to have newer stuff.. it's nice often :)
90[00:34:30] <pingfloyd> mixing branches in general isn't a good idea though
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92[00:35:01] <jaggz> yeah.. way too much is interrelated in these things.. I was hoping not much used nvidia's non-free cuda toolkit
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95[00:35:49] <DoctorD90> hi! under site iso images, i find out .packages files. they contain list of packets(i think packets installed on each version). How can I get the same list on a installed system?
96[00:35:52] <jaggz> it might not be actual conflicts, only other issues
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98[00:36:36] <missmbob> DoctorD90: you want a list of installed packages on a running debian system?
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101[00:36:59] <jaggz> fyi, since I followed the original author's [bad] advice first, I get to show the conflicts replaced-url
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104[00:37:39] <Fauve> Hello people o/
105[00:37:44] <Fauve> Someone here use x2go?
106[00:37:48] <missmbob> !tell DoctorD90 -about installed packages
107[00:37:52] <jaggz> it's actually because of jessie (stable's) priority, so I have "not going to be installed" messages, vs. actual conflicts, I believe.
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109[00:38:03] <Fauve> I try to configure it but I haven’t anough documentation.
110[00:38:19] <jaggz> pingfloyd, how stable is testing?
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112[00:38:34] <Fauve> When I open an x2go window with a distant system, I get a keybinding conflict between local and distant system :(
113[00:38:37] <jaggz> am I really going to have a "bumpy ride" as dpkg says?
114[00:38:40] <Fauve> Nor, I use i3.
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118[00:39:25] <missmbob> jaggz: at some point you certainly might. though it might be a couple of months down the line
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120[00:39:57] <missmbob> jaggz: even simple shit breaks. hell deluge/libtorrent is broken right now
121[00:39:57] <jaggz> how can I do testing, but prevent the bumpy ride, missmbob?
122[00:40:21] <missmbob> jaggz: i'm not sure you ever can
123[00:40:34] <jaggz> I don't mind some of those things failing.. can't you fall back to an older version of something like deluge?
124[00:41:11] <missmbob> problem was they upgrade libtorrent to a version the latest deluge doesn't work with. so you can downgrade libtorrent if you really want. then hold it.
125[00:41:20] <missmbob> most users don't want the pain in the ass
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127[00:41:41] <missmbob> if you do, go talk about it on testing's support channel #debian-next on OFTC
128[00:42:00] <jaggz> yeah.. I'm between the two.. I have less time nowadays for fiddling with everything.. less energy for sysadmin work and more desire to get my projects done
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130[00:42:09] <jaggz> missmbob, oh thanks a lot :)
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144[00:48:55] <pingfloyd> jaggz: testing isn't stable at all
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147[00:49:46] <pingfloyd> jaggz: there's even been at least one bug that can cause data loss under the right circumstances, but this should be expected if one uses it.
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160[01:03:18] <jez9999> i'm trying to stop GDM3 from booting in jessie, but it always boots. how can i stop it?
161[01:03:26] <jez9999> i have it masked in systemd, it still runs
162[01:03:31] <jez9999> how can i find out what is triggering it?
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166[01:06:45] <rly> jez9999: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
167[01:08:24] <missmbob> jez9999: replaced-url
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169[01:09:15] <jez9999> missmbob: that tells you to disable graphical boot target. that's dumb - i want a graphical boot to MATE
170[01:09:18] <DoctorD90> missmbob: thx it was what im looking for. even if it is there an error in first command
171[01:09:54] <missmbob> i'm going to pretend that made sense and walk away
172[01:10:00] <DoctorD90> printf $2"/n" it should be
173[01:10:03] <mtn> missmbob: I will join you
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175[01:13:35] <DoctorD90> I get an error copying a file "Input/Output Error"... i would not check entire files system with badlock.......is there a way to tell badblock to check a file's blocks
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199[01:30:24] <calcal> Why is Debian so out of date?
200[01:30:33] <dvs> because it's stable
201[01:31:01] <mtn> calcal: you can either have very stable or new software, but not both ;)
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207[01:35:34] <calcal> mtn, Ubuntu and Arch seemed to fool me into thinking they were stable, by not failing to boot after just installing them.
208[01:35:55] <calcal> But I won't use those, because they are nonfree.
209[01:37:46] <tequex> anyone know how to forget smb share credentials in debian that are not stored in seahorse?
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248[02:00:48] <Sygin> hello there. i have a problem. i keep getting this error: "iptables v1.4.21: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)" i was wondering whats the easiest way to compile and add that module into the existing kernel?
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251[02:01:27] <Sygin> this happens whenever i want to use the nat table for iptables to do anything: iptables -t nat -L
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272[02:14:36] <technocf> I am currently in the process of installing Debian 8.5.0 on my EEE PC 1001HA. I have done this before and I know this process usually works. It has gotten to the "Detect network hardware" stage and I inserted a USB memory stick formatted as FAT32 with the driver, rt2860.bin, in the root directory. I gave it a few seconds and clicked yes to load the driver from the USB. It does something for a few seconds and then goes back to th
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279[02:17:12] <technocf> I tried rebooting and it still doesn't work.
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289[02:22:02] <technocf> Is anyone active in here?
290[02:22:28] <sypher> No.
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300[02:28:26] <otyugh> is "/var/run/reboot-required" ubuntu specific ?
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303[02:30:42] <sypher> otyugh: Not sure. I know the Debian release of byobu still looks for it, but byobu is an Ubuntu project I believe, so that doesn't say much.
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305[02:31:46] <themill> otyugh: some packages will touch it but pending kernel upgrades don't (ISTR if you have update-notifier or unattended-upgrades installed, it might)
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307[02:32:01] <multi_io> is there some documentation on enabling an encrypted root fs in initramfs (without running the installer)?
308[02:33:24] <multi_io> I already have the encrypted block device set up, created a file system on it and debootstrapped a Debian system on it, just need to create an initrd now that will ask for the passphrase and mount the thing.
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316[02:38:12] * multi_io reads /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz
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340[02:55:39] <laurus> I don't understand the example at replaced-url
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343[02:56:48] <missmbob> laurus did you read it? "executes the rpcgen command"
344[02:57:04] <laurus> missmbob, and what comes after the symbol rpcgen?
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347[02:58:04] <laurus> What replaces $< there?
348[02:59:50] <multi_io> the input .x file
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350[03:00:06] <laurus> Ah, thank you multi_io
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380[03:19:30] <missmbob> is there a "wmctrl -l" equivalent that shows apps minimized to tray? since there's no window -l doesn't see it
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459[04:22:10] <ktechmidas> quick question... anyone know how to get a Chinese input?
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527[05:08:36] <simbalion> I am having trouble with audio on occasional videos on facebook and youtube, I think it's a codec issue, if I download the videos and play them in vlc it works, but I can't always download them. Does anyone know how to fix the codec issue?
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533[05:14:54] <jnoah> hello, is it possible (even if difficult to do) to install fglrx on Stretch? I'm attempting to play a game in wine, but sadly, it looks like proprietary drivers are needed :/
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536[05:15:14] <missmbob> !debian-next
537[05:15:14] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
538[05:16:14] <jnoah> sad times. thanks for the redirect though.
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544[05:17:43] <stoned> asdfgjkppoiuytt
545[05:17:46] <stoned> asdfgjkppoiuytt
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552[05:22:48] <RoyK> stooj: zxcxzxczxc
553[05:22:48] <stoned> oh whoops
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578[05:41:18] <mugatu---> I'm running Debian Jessie + Mate as my window system. I cannot use my external usb sound card yet I see it when typing lsusb. I see: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter
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580[05:41:48] <mugatu---> For some reason my speakers are working on the laptops internal soundcard
581[05:42:03] <mugatu---> *using my laptops internal soundcard
582[05:43:02] <jmcnaught> mugatu---: try using mate's sound settings (if they exist) or pavucontrol to select the output device
583[05:43:30] <mugatu---> i'm installing pavucontrol now
584[05:43:38] <mugatu---> mates sound manager is not showing it
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588[05:47:38] <mugatu---> that worked thanks
589[05:47:47] <mugatu---> any idea how to make pavucontrol my default sound manager?
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595[05:51:28] <jmcnaught> probably easier to just make a shortcut or launcher for it and use it instead
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605[05:59:15] <mugatu---> thanks!
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607[05:59:38] <jmcnaught> you're welcome :)
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612[06:02:11] <calher> I seem to be getting my kernel panics when I open Firefox. This system hasn't crashed yet.
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628[06:16:10] <jnoah> why would a package on debian package search show one version, yet aptitude shows another? I have dug into the Packages.gz file to make sure I am getting the version that is listed on the site, but aptitude still shows me an older version (and yes I have ran `aptitude update`)
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630[06:16:51] <jmcnaught> jnoah: which package? what does "apt-cache policy PACKAGE" say?
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632[06:18:44] <jnoah> jmcnaught: replaced-url
633[06:18:57] <jnoah> oh, right
634[06:19:15] <jnoah> ugh, i've pinned it wrong it looks like
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636[06:19:46] <jmcnaught> jnoah: why are you messing with pinning at all?
637[06:20:12] <jnoah> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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639[06:20:17] <jnoah> it looks to me like it should work
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641[06:20:56] <jmcnaught> jnoah: don't use pinning at all. Use "apt-get -t jessie-backports install foo"
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643[06:21:26] <jnoah> jmcnaught: then how do I make sure it stays up to date when updating and what not?
644[06:21:29] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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646[06:22:33] <jnoah> jmcnaught: oh, I'm on stretch. but i figured the process was the same
647[06:22:42] <blocky> i just upgraded to testing and i'm trying to build kodi from source so i need to install libsqlite3-dev, but i'm getting this error: libsqlite3-dev : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.13.0-1) but 3.14.1-1 is to be installed
648[06:22:49] <jmcnaught> !debian-next
649[06:22:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
650[06:23:33] <jmcnaught> jnoah: why are you trying to install fglrx on stretch? it was removed because it's no longer supported upstream from what i understand
651[06:24:11] <jmcnaught> jnoah: you should probably be using the amdgpu or radeon drivers instead.. anyways give the #debian-next channel a try
652[06:24:21] <jnoah> jmcnaught: necessary for a game sadly. so I'm trying to do what I can.
653[06:24:49] <blocky> is it possible that 400+ packges on my system depend on sqlite3?
654[06:24:58] <jnoah> jmcnaught: my question is about pinning. not stretch, not fglrx, just pinning. something that's been around in debian for a long time. may i ask here if my pinning syntax is incorrect?
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658[06:25:39] <jnoah> (i'm not looking for help getting fglrx to work, just pinning is all)
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661[06:26:39] <blocky> why is this trying to remove all these packages? replaced-url
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663[06:27:29] <jnoah> blocky: it's needed by all of them
664[06:27:37] <jnoah> it's a very pervasive library
665[06:27:55] <Mava> ouh I do love the word pervasive
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668[06:28:51] <blocky> why does this page show a different version than what i have? replaced-url
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671[06:32:36] <dstack> Is zip the best compression file archive format for cross OS use?
672[06:33:02] <blocky> i guess you have to define best
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675[06:33:36] <blocky> it's probably supported out of the box on most modern linux distros as well as windows, which is more than can be said for gzip
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684[06:40:43] <jnoah> dstack: sadly, yes (if you are including Windows in the cross OS use)
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704[06:56:31] <SebastianRasor01> Hello, I was wondering why my desktop crashes every time I click an icon. I'm using XFCE
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716[07:04:28] <afidegnum> hello, pls i m in trouble, can you give hand? i did install apt-get install systemd systemd-sysv in my debian server and i can't have access to it
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719[07:06:17] <prettyinmaine> David Icke says there is a tribe of people interbreeding and that "this is a plot on the world by the Jewish people." Should we be concerned?
720[07:06:55] <afidegnum> nay insight please?
721[07:07:05] <jmcnaught> jnoah: regardless, you still shouldn't need to use pinning, use "-t" with apt-get or aptitude to tell it to target jessie-backports release. You'll probably find that it doesn't work with the version of Xorg in stretch however, and you should be using the amdgpu driver instead. replaced-url
722[07:07:06] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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725[07:08:27] <jmcnaught> afidegnum: how are you trying to access it? did you reboot after installing the package? what kind of server is it?
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737[07:17:15] <jnoah> jmcnaught: i'd love to use amdgpu. but the game does not work with it :/
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739[07:17:28] <jmcnaught> jnoah: using jessie is also an option
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756[07:30:54] <jnoah> jmcnaught: sadly, that's what it looks like I may need to do. :/
757[07:31:48] <jnoah> jmcnaught: actually, unless you know how to manually do what glx-alternative-fglrx does. The driver builds and installs. Just can't get the glx alternatives to work
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760[07:32:08] <jmcnaught> i don't see what's so sad about using debian stable. the overall goal of Debian is making the stable releases, and they're very high quality
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763[07:33:08] <jnoah> what is so bad is reinstalling and resetting up. if i had looked ahead at the state of fglrx, sure, that probably would have been wise
764[07:34:26] <jnoah> as of right now, xorg-video-abi-19 is missing, which is what I need. yet, in theory, i have the xserver-xorg-core that would provide it
765[07:35:41] <jnoah> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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777[07:40:13] <jmcnaught> ,provides xserver-xorg-core --release stretch
778[07:40:15] <judd> Package xserver-xorg-core in stretch/amd64 provides: xorg-input-abi-22, xorg-video-abi-20, xserver-xorg-video-modesetting.
779[07:41:04] <jmcnaught> jnoah: ^^ the fglrx package wants abi 19, stretch is on abi 20. it's not going to work.
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787[07:48:29] <jnoah> jmcnaught: well, i have it installed and with alternatives working...the meta(?) package fglrx-driver just won't install. so, yeah, this will probably break everything, but we'll see. :P
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789[07:49:01] <jnoah> (i'm no stranger to breaking and fixing, i've done it many times over. i'm however not totally versed in debian-insms)
790[07:49:23] <jnoah> this deep of hackery has been done with gentoo and nixos previously for me.
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793[07:50:54] <afidegnum> jmcnaught: yes, i did reboot many times
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798[07:52:26] <jnoah> jmcnaught: wow. debian is ridiculously nice. fglrx segfaulted (as expected), yet here I am. talking with you, using X. nifty
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800[07:53:02] <no_gravity> I am on a machine via ssh. Everything works nice. But when I am in the sqlite client, pressing the up arrow gives me: ^[[A. Any ideas whats wrong?
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802[07:53:27] <jnoah> no_gravity: sqlite was not built with readline (or similar)
803[07:54:09] <no_gravity> jnoah: Does that mean it has no "show last commands" or that it does not work over ssh?
804[07:54:19] <jnoah> jmcnaught: is it possible to debian-previous?
805[07:54:43] <jnoah> jmcnaught: as in "dist-upgrade" to a previous version?
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807[07:55:02] <nkuttler> !downgrade
808[07:55:02] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
809[07:55:22] <jnoah> no_gravity: doesn't know show last commands. Though, ssh could be configured oddly, but in that case, I don't know how to help.
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811[07:55:47] <no_gravity> jnoah: sqlite is super archaic, but is it *that* archaic? hmm...
812[07:56:02] <jnoah> nkuttler: O_O
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815[07:56:21] <jnoah> good to know (NixOS allows for it btw....but it also does things in strange, unnatural ways)
816[07:56:25] <no_gravity> jnoah: I tried on the machine directly. The up key works and shows the last commands.
817[07:56:43] <jnoah> no_gravity: cool, ssh is being weird, and that idunno how to help with. sorry
818[07:56:51] <jnoah> maybe someone else here may be able to help
819[07:56:58] <no_gravity> jnoah: ok, thanks
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825[07:58:50] <jnoah> jmcnaught: luckily i just rebuilt and there isn't much to backup. going to install Jessie.
826[07:59:19] <jnoah> is it possible to do a full disk encryption like with stretch? (LVM disk encryption)
827[07:59:40] <missmbob> jnoah: yes
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831[08:01:32] <jnoah> awesome!
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839[08:05:24] <tequex> anyone know how to forget smb share credentials in debian that are not stored in seahorse?
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849[08:09:52] <jnoah> does multiarch in jessie still use ia32-libs?
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855[08:11:42] <missmbob> jnoah: no
856[08:12:00] <ogi> You guys don't sleep?
857[08:12:00] <missmbob> !tell jnoah about multiarch
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881[08:25:45] <jnoah> ugh, so it looks like the uefi netinstall is giving me a blank screen after i select "install" "graphical install" ...every option i have tried so far. any suggestions for getting the installer to jist start?
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887[08:29:57] <jnoah> Ive tried removing the vga argument, tried it with vga=1024 (no idea what good values are, i took a wild guess), and yet, still nothing but a blank screen. oh, just tried removing the set background to black....aaaand still blank.
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889[08:30:48] <missmbob> you can use text install and then worry about getting fglrx
890[08:31:00] <missmbob> i've never used graphical install. *shrug*
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894[08:32:34] <jnoah> there isnt a text install option... well, at least "Install" and "Graphical Install" have exactly the same grub entries (minus title)
895[08:32:36] <th0r> jnoah, the vga parameteer takes strange numbers. Don't have them handy, but you can google for info on the values.
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915[08:48:13] * MikeSeth reinstalls a box
916[08:48:22] <MikeSeth> let's try this new fancy snapd thang
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993[09:21:27] <jnoah> MikeSeth: i am reinstalling as well :/
994[09:21:47] <jnoah> well, i'm waiting for a dd of the debian testing dvd1 to finishing sync'ing
995[09:21:55] <jnoah> then, reinstall. heh
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998[09:22:41] <MikeSeth> jnoah: i screwed up the box majorly with ansible debops
999[09:22:46] <MikeSeth> total overkill
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1002[09:24:22] <jnoah> i cant get a debian stable installer to start. D:
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1004[09:24:42] <jnoah> i get grub, then any option just leads to a blank screen.
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1007[09:25:06] <jnoah> debian testing installer works just fine tgough
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1011[09:27:16] <Fily> HELLO
1012[09:27:19] <babilen> jnoah: You probably just need a newer kernel
1013[09:27:20] <Fily> wtf debian sid
1014[09:27:25] <Fily> broken half of my kde programs
1015[09:27:38] <babilen> dpkg: sid
1016[09:27:38] <dpkg> rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
1017[09:27:41] <Fily> ANYONE?! Can't even use konversation
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1020[09:27:54] <Fily> had to use freenode ppage to log here ...
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1022[09:28:21] <Fily> how to fucking fix this
1023[09:28:22] <babilen> Fily: First and foremost: testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next (this channel is for stable) and secondly: What did you do to break your system?
1024[09:28:28] <babilen> And please .. stop swearing
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1026[09:28:35] <Fily> babilen i updated yesterday
1027[09:28:44] <babilen> Roll back?
1028[09:28:48] <Fily> how
1029[09:28:52] <Fily> how to roll back
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1031[09:29:13] <babilen> Ah, #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org)
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1034[09:29:33] <Fily> HOW TO ROLL BACK?
1035[09:30:01] <jelly> Fily: if you don't have backups set up, reinstall.
1036[09:30:04] <babilen> You might have backups .. otherwise downgrade packages that you upgraded recently. Investigate the actual problem and fix that ... might be a start to paste /var/log/apt/history.log to replaced-url
1037[09:30:14] <Fily> reinstall how?
1038[09:30:17] <babilen> Not sure if that works for such a large system as KDE
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1040[09:30:35] <jelly> the same way you installed debian first time, Filystyn
1041[09:31:00] <Fily> this will take ages I want just to fix the package problems now so I can apt install
1042[09:31:02] <Fily> -f
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1045[09:31:28] <Fily> look at tis problem:
1046[09:31:29] <Fily> The following packages have unmet dependencies: konversation : Depends: libkf5kiocore5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5kiofilewidgets5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5kiowidgets5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libkf5notifyconfig5 (>= 4.96.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends:
1047[09:31:31] <babilen> You haven't provided any information about "package problems" nor the log.
1048[09:31:48] <babilen> Please use replaced-url
1049[09:31:59] <Fily> oftc...
1050[09:32:18] <Fily> OK going tere thank you for *support*
1051[09:33:05] <babilen> You are welcome. We do, however, consider it unlikely that it is possible to fix this easily.
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1055[09:36:41] <jnoah> babilen: yes, but it is a debian installer...
1056[09:36:57] <jnoah> so how do i get the installer to use a new kernel?
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1059[09:37:37] <babilen> jnoah: We used to provide stable installers with a backported kernel, but those images are unfortunately no longer maintained. You'd therefore use the installer that is being developed for stretch.
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1064[09:38:07] <jnoah> babilen: how can i use it to install jessie?
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1066[09:40:29] <jnoah> im game for getting dirty. i am not afraid to hack on things. :)
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1070[09:42:27] <babilen> jnoah: IIRC it offers you to install jessie in the expert installer mode, but that would install an older kernel. You'd then have to chroot into it and install the backported kernel manually. At that point using debootstrap from a live CD might actually be easier.
1071[09:42:54] <babilen> (sorry, haven't done that in a while)
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1074[09:43:55] <jnoah> babilen: oh cool, i'll give that a shot then
1075[09:44:05] <jnoah> (install -> chroot)
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1095[09:53:17] <jnoah> babilen: hm, im not finding the option to install jessie anywhere...
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1105[09:55:04] <babilen> jnoah: Okay, might be an additional installer module, but I really haven't done this in many years
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1114[10:04:28] <jnoah> [Brain]: oh! im supposed to use the "select mirror" option, but when I do "installation step failed" but doesnt give me anything to identy a problem. "The failing step is: Choose mirror to install from (menu item)"
1115[10:04:37] <jnoah> babilen: ^ *
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1117[10:05:11] <jnoah> can i do that from the shell instead?
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1147[10:15:55] <jnoah> babilen: any idea why that option would/could fail?
1148[10:16:20] <babilen> No, what did you select there?
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1152[10:18:01] <jnoah> "Choose mirror to install from (menu item)"
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1155[10:18:33] <jnoah> from what ive read, that is the option one uses to install other releases
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1157[10:18:41] <OS-23527> /msg nickserv identify OpanKeren25^
1158[10:19:13] <jnoah> OS-23527: change your password now!
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1160[10:19:44] <babilen> OS-23527: You might want to change that password and *always* /query nickserv first or setup CertFP
1161[10:20:42] <jnoah> babilen: "Choose mirror to install from (menu item)"
1162[10:20:51] <jnoah> babilen: from what ive read, that is the option one uses to install other releases
1163[10:20:53] <OS-23527> ouch
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1168[10:22:04] <babilen> jnoah: Indeed .. what did you select there? Do you see any error on tty4 ? (alt-f4)
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1176[10:24:59] <venkat_330> I am trying execute a script from "10udevrules" during startup and notice that it is not being executed. "SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6014", MODE="0664", GROUP="dialout", ACTION=="add" RUN+="/opt/3.sh 4" so changef the UDEV line for forcing symlinke .. "BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0403", SYSFS{idVendor}=="6014", SYMLINK+="ttyUSB9"" Even that is not working.
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1179[10:25:40] <jnoah> babilen: as soon as i select it, it fails. and alt+f4 shows "unable to set title for choose mirror" followed by "installing apt-mirror-setup" then segfault. "configuring 'choose-mirror' failed with error code 139"
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1181[10:26:37] <babilen> jnoah: Sounds like that bit of the installer is broken. Did you get one of the alpha releases or did you opt for a daily/weekly?
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1184[10:27:08] <babilen> Ah, the fun of using an installer that is still being developed
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1186[10:27:49] <jnoah> weekly
1187[10:27:52] <jnoah> i think
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1189[10:28:06] <jnoah> its whatever is given for a testing installer
1190[10:28:26] <jnoah> babilen: full text of error (bottom section) replaced-url
1191[10:28:59] <babilen> yeah, definitely broken :(
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1194[10:29:48] <jnoah> does a "stable" stretch installer work?
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1196[10:29:58] <jnoah> s/work/exist
1197[10:31:12] <babilen> jnoah: No, the installer is being developed at the moment. It's development schedule just follows the Debian release schedule and therefore targets a specific release.
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1200[10:33:34] <jnoah> babilen: i need to install jessie. have a recommendation since the netinst and dvd1 installers wont work (blank screen from any option)
1201[10:33:42] <babilen> jnoah: Anything to choose in the boot menu?
1202[10:33:54] <babilen> (advanced options / settings someting like that)
1203[10:34:06] <jnoah> all of those fail too
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1205[10:34:15] <babilen> With segfault?
1206[10:34:24] <jnoah> blank screen
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1208[10:34:36] <babilen> Okay .. not good. What kind of hardware is this?
1209[10:34:46] <jnoah> wait, testing installer or stable installer now?
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1211[10:35:49] <jnoah> jessie installer fails with all options in grub leading to nothing but blank screens*
1212[10:36:08] <babilen> I was referring to the testing installer ..
1213[10:37:09] <jnoah> sorry, got ahead of myself there. one sec
1214[10:37:19] <babilen> You could also try the weekly
1215[10:37:25] <babilen> replaced-url
1216[10:37:34] <babilen> Or debootstrap a jessie installation from a live CD
1217[10:37:35] <jnoah> (currently installing the.base system from the testing installer)
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1220[10:39:32] <jnoah> ok. going the livecd debootstrap route
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1222[10:39:58] <babilen> jnoah: You'd then have to install a backported kernel
1223[10:40:10] <jnoah> the netinst wont select a mirror at all
1224[10:40:12] <jnoah> alrighty
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1227[10:43:15] <jnoah> babilen: testing live disks exist?
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1229[10:43:41] <babilen> I'd use grml
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1231[10:43:56] <babilen> bbl
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1302[11:32:01] <lss8> can I use the lxd I know from ubuntu on debian?
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1318[11:40:36] <babilen> lss8: Do they provide packages for it?
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1328[11:46:19] <OrbsTheorem> why curl is not a "base package"? ie. is installed by default on all debian installations
1329[11:46:47] <MikeSeth> why should it be
1330[11:47:05] <themill> if it were, we'd have people complaining that debian was bloated...
1331[11:47:23] <MikeSeth> some people would want tmux to be a "base package"
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1335[11:48:22] <OrbsTheorem> what's the characteristic for being a base package?
1336[11:49:05] <MikeSeth> can't boot post-install without it
1337[11:49:11] <themill> there's no such thing as base package btw
1338[11:50:00] <OrbsTheorem> I don't know how is it called, it should be wrapped in a virtual package, right?
1339[11:50:16] <themill> No. replaced-url
1340[11:50:44] <themill> (required and important are installed by the installer; standard normally would be too)
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1344[11:54:04] <OrbsTheorem> thanks :)
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1372[12:09:50] <afidegnum> hello, any insight? My server failed to load over systemctl issue
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1375[12:10:48] <afidegnum> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No Connection to service manager i m using debian wheezy
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1378[12:11:23] <MikeSeth> afidegnum: start dbus?
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1380[12:11:49] <OrbsTheorem> In a software development context: What do this mean?: "Implement mechanisms, not policies"
1381[12:12:02] <themill> afidegnum: systemctl in wheezy? are you sure?
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1386[12:14:02] <afidegnum> yes
1387[12:14:04] <afidegnum> debian 7
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1391[12:14:47] <afidegnum> MikeSeth: should i type that command?
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1393[12:14:55] <MikeSeth> afidegnum: what command
1394[12:15:02] <afidegnum> start dbus
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1396[12:15:20] <MikeSeth> you probably want ``service dbus start''
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1404[12:16:58] <afidegnum> dbus service startted but the error persist
1405[12:17:08] <afidegnum> when i run systemctl
1406[12:17:09] <winterss> hi
1407[12:17:32] <afidegnum> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager
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1410[12:17:54] <MikeSeth> afidegnum: service dbus status
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1412[12:19:27] <themill> afidegnum: which version of systemd are you running and how did you enable it?
1413[12:19:37] <afidegnum> dbus is running
1414[12:20:40] <afidegnum> themill: i believe it's the debian's stable version, i installed it via apt-get isntall systemd and systemd-sysv
1415[12:20:51] <themill> afidegnum: wheezy doesn't use systemd
1416[12:21:02] <afidegnum> oh
1417[12:21:15] <afidegnum> i hope i can remove it without causing harm?
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1419[12:22:06] <themill> (systemd is available and it works OK, but it's not particularly well tested)
1420[12:22:28] <afidegnum> i was following a tutorial to deploy a flask application on uwsgi/debian
1421[12:22:40] <afidegnum> ok, let me try removing them
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1423[12:22:52] <afidegnum> i hope the initial settings will be restaured
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1426[12:25:22] <afidegnum> so what do we use in replacement of systemd
1427[12:25:22] <afidegnum> ?
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1431[12:26:02] <Engys> sysvinit
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1433[12:26:53] <afidegnum> wait, does sytemd remove some tools from the server ?
1434[12:27:04] <afidegnum> running reboot doesn't work anymore
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1441[12:29:33] <Engys> but it was the other way around sysvinit was replaced with systemd after wheezy .. wheezy has only a preview on systemd
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1452[12:35:19] <afidegnum> affter removing, i m faced with /bin/sh can't access tty: job control turned off
1453[12:35:30] <afidegnum> and it stays there
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1455[12:37:01] <_0xbadc0de> guys
1456[12:37:24] <_0xbadc0de> is it possible to sudo apt-get install <another_package>
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1458[12:40:14] <_0xbadc0de> at the same time you do sudo apt-get upgrade
1459[12:40:14] <_0xbadc0de> ?
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1462[12:40:15] <mgedmin> _0xbadc0de: no, you have to wait for apt-get to finish
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1464[12:40:31] <afidegnum> any insihg t?
1465[12:40:37] <afidegnum> insight?
1466[12:40:41] <afidegnum> the previous error was
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1471[12:41:55] <afidegnum> Target filesystem doesn't have the requested /sbin/init
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1485[12:48:51] <Engys> afidegnum .. no idea why you are using wheezy .. you need to install sysvinit before you purge systemd + editing your grub .. search the internet "apt-get install sysvinit"
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1494[12:52:06] <afidegnum> i have been using wheezy since last 2 years, and i was sticked to it since i m using a dedicated server,
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1500[12:56:16] <Engys> afidegnum yep I can understand this-> upgrading to jessie will need some apache reconfiguration
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1514[13:02:09] <jnoah> babilen: ok. i did the painstaking process of manually downgrading the very bare bones netinst (which didnt actually install anything from the net). i fought through around 200 package downgrades. All tuned into jessie and jessie-backports. And success! now to install the stuff to make it a graphical desktop. btw, i am shocked it worked. though i literally just took a couple hours to do that by hand so...i am
1515[13:02:11] <jnoah> very happy. lol
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1518[13:03:48] <afidegnum> hi, i m totally at a mess, i can't do anything, even apt-get seems not to work,
1519[13:03:49] <afidegnum> replaced-url
1520[13:03:54] <afidegnum> here is my console
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1522[13:05:08] <jelly> afidegnum: that link wants me to log in to yahoo for some reason
1523[13:05:26] <jelly> can you do imgur.com or picpaste
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1532[13:07:15] <babilen> jnoah: I would have expected a debootstrap installation to be less painful
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1539[13:10:09] <jnoah> babilen: probably. i just knew i had a fresh base install and a working internet connection. and now i know a lot more about debian than i ever wanted which is actually a good thing. :)
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1541[13:11:23] <afidegnum> jelly: i m using a jailed remote console for recovery, not my own terminal
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1543[13:12:25] <jnoah> babilen: does Jessie not have amdgpu?
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1545[13:13:56] <jnoah> scratch that
1546[13:14:04] <jnoah> it does in the backports repo
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1548[13:14:39] <jnoah> oh! babilen how do i give jessie-backports priority? is this where pinning comes in handy?
1549[13:14:50] <afidegnum> is anyone familiar with hetzner?
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1563[13:17:21] <babilen> jnoah: Give it priority? You typically just want to install selected packages from there with, say, "apt -t jessie-backports install $PKG"
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1592[13:23:50] <isthisreallife> hi
1593[13:23:53] <isthisreallife> replaced-url
1594[13:23:55] <isthisreallife> how to fix it?
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1596[13:24:40] <jnoah> babilen: ah alrighty. thanks for all your help. much appreciated
1597[13:24:56] <jelly> isthisreallife: which debian release is this?
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1599[13:25:16] <isthisreallife> debian 8
1600[13:25:24] <jelly> debian 8 does not have an "/etc/sudo.conf"
1601[13:25:29] <jnoah> took a billion hours longer than expected (isnt that usually the case? :P), but i have a stable box up and running finally. :)
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1603[13:26:17] <jelly> isthisreallife: what does "dpkg -S /etc/sudo.conf /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so" say
1604[13:26:19] <isthisreallife> it is debian8
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1610[13:27:11] <isthisreallife> replaced-url
1611[13:27:19] <jelly> isthisreallife: also "ls -ld /etc/sudo.conf /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so"
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1616[13:27:52] <isthisreallife> replaced-url
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1624[13:29:21] <jelly> isthisreallife: you, or some other admin or script, managed to change the ownership of /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so
1625[13:29:46] <isthisreallife> that was me probably :<
1626[13:30:13] <isthisreallife> can i fix it somehow?
1627[13:30:21] <jelly> isthisreallife: use "su" to become root, or log in directly as root at the console, and chown it back to root:root
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1629[13:31:53] <isthisreallife> okay i logged as a root now
1630[13:32:17] <isthisreallife> and how exactly can i chown it back?
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1639[13:34:45] <jelly> isthisreallife: how did you change it in the first place?
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1641[13:35:08] <slax0r> isthisreallife: is this just fanta sea
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1644[13:36:04] <jelly> isthisreallife: EXAMPLES from "man chown" tell you to: "chown root /u", and "chown root:staff /u". So you can try "chown root /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so"
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1648[13:37:10] <jelly> isthisreallife: you may have messed up ownerships on other files as well. Best to trace back your steps and figure out what you did
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1652[13:38:26] <moldy> hi
1653[13:38:37] <moldy> trying to get mod_perl to work after an update: replaced-url
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1659[13:41:19] <moldy> replaced-url
1660[13:44:40] <isthisreallife> thanks:)
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1665[13:47:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> moldy, update/upgrade from what to what
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1695[14:05:32] <moldy> CutMeOwnThroat: wheezy -> jessie
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1699[14:06:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, didn't see you had already got it running
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1701[14:07:03] <moldy> CutMeOwnThroat: :)
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1714[14:14:19] <Rico> hi
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1720[14:20:40] <Rico> can somebody tell me how to add loopbacks interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces file ? I've tried two ways, but does not work : replaced-url
1721[14:21:18] <MikeSeth> Rico: iface lo inet loopback
1722[14:21:23] <MikeSeth> and auto lo
1723[14:21:26] <MikeSeth> that should be it
1724[14:21:35] <Rico> MikeSeth: I want to add more than one loopbacl
1725[14:21:41] <MikeSeth> why
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1727[14:21:46] <Rico> because I need it
1728[14:21:51] <MikeSeth> and why do you have public addresses on it
1729[14:21:59] <Rico> because it's for network services
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1731[14:22:21] <MikeSeth> then you would get better performance for unix sockets, and better control with bridges
1732[14:22:28] <MikeSeth> s/for/with/
1733[14:22:54] <Rico> MikeSeth: trust me I know what I'm doing... I'm just asking how I can do that, not how I could do it in another way
1734[14:22:55] <MikeSeth> I've never seen a loopback w/o 127/8 anywhere and I am not even sure if it would work at all
1735[14:23:08] <Rico> it works perfectly on redhat hosts
1736[14:23:14] <MikeSeth> Rico: so what happens when you ifup this
1737[14:23:37] <pekka1> is there any problem using apache2 and nginx on the same machine ?
1738[14:23:46] <moldy> pekka1: not per se
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1740[14:23:50] <MikeSeth> pekka1: no, except that they would have to listen on different ports
1741[14:24:00] <pekka1> mm, okay
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1743[14:24:25] <MikeSeth> Rico: now I'm curious for myself
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1747[14:25:01] <plantfood> debian is a badass mother fucker
1748[14:25:02] <Rico> MikeSeth: replaced-url
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1751[14:25:59] <MikeSeth> Rico: I just realized, you can't give arbitrary names to interfaces
1752[14:26:02] <MikeSeth> has to be an alias
1753[14:26:08] <MikeSeth> e.g. lo:0
1754[14:26:24] <Rico> I've tried both (lo811 and lo:811)
1755[14:26:31] <MikeSeth> lo:x worked for me
1756[14:26:37] <Rico> mmh, let's try again
1757[14:26:40] <Rico> 2 sec
1758[14:26:45] <MikeSeth> and also does work in your dump it seems
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1761[14:27:15] <MikeSeth> just do bear in mind it's a subinterface and won't appear as link in e.g. ip list
1762[14:27:34] <Rico> no but I should see it's ip address in "ip a l"
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1764[14:28:11] <MikeSeth> ip a a, ip l doesn't display IP-level addresses
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1766[14:28:15] <jnoah> babilen: after all that mess. i now i have No Man's Sky running. :)
1767[14:28:28] <Rico> MikeSeth: "ip a l"
1768[14:28:37] <MikeSeth> derp
1769[14:28:48] <MikeSeth> Rico: you will also probably need to add routes
1770[14:28:58] <MikeSeth> and I'm dead curious what scenario exactly requires this
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1772[14:29:29] <Rico> MikeSeth: I'll need to add routes later, but if my interface does not comes up, no need for a route....
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1774[14:29:48] <MikeSeth> Rico: it does come up on my sid box
1775[14:29:59] <Rico> jessy on m side
1776[14:30:01] <Rico> my
1777[14:30:03] <Rico> jessie
1778[14:30:05] <Rico> sorry
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1780[14:30:21] <MikeSeth> shouldn't be any different
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1785[14:31:09] <pekka1> sestatus always shows disabled
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1806[14:37:07] <DoctorD90> guys to get list of installed software, what is difference between dpkg --get-selections, and dpkg -l?
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1810[14:38:32] <jnoah> jmcnaught: dropped to debian stable (one heck of a ride getting there), but I now have fglrx working and No Man's Sky launching via wine. Happy days. thanks for the help
1811[14:39:24] <cVsup> I would like a package installed a database when it was installed with the debian- cd . Can I use dbconfig for this?
1812[14:39:43] <mgedmin> DoctorD90: dpkg -l is meant for human consumption; dpkg --get-selections is for tools
1813[14:39:56] <Zharf> !tell DoctorD90 about installed
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1816[14:40:36] <Zharf> I may have misread the question a little bit, sorry if that was irrelevant :p
1817[14:41:18] <DoctorD90> Zharf: no wait :P i know about get-selections but to be sure last night i ask here and another user gives me the same help.
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1820[14:42:38] <DoctorD90> i tested it and 1)command has an error. who is the maintainer of bot? 2) so is better dpkg -get-selections for script pourpose :)
1821[14:43:18] <DoctorD90> mgedmin: in the end they gice the same output...rigth? just different format?
1822[14:43:23] <abrotman> !installed
1823[14:43:23] <dpkg> To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. For one package, use "dpkg -l packagename" or "apt-cache policy packagename" or (from squeeze onwards) "aptitude versions packagename".
1824[14:43:30] <Zharf> error? works for me
1825[14:43:44] <abrotman> DoctorD90: dpkg -l contains things not installed also, such as 'rc'
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1827[14:43:58] <jelly> Rico: are you sure you need a second lo interface, and not just one or more additional addresses assigned to lo interface?
1828[14:44:11] <mgedmin> dpkg --get-selections also includes things marked "deinstall" *shrug*
1829[14:44:11] * dpkg selects mgedmin's family photos collection
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1831[14:44:27] <DoctorD90> zharf, printf $2"/n" or it will print a long one line string
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1833[14:44:30] <MikeSeth> jelly: it seems that for loopbacks the effect is identical
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1835[14:44:43] <MikeSeth> the alias is just for management convenience
1836[14:44:59] <jelly> iface lo:1 inet static # old school aliases work for me, and there are NOT additional interfaces
1837[14:45:03] <jelly> these*
1838[14:45:05] <DoctorD90> mgedmin: grep -v deinstall
1839[14:45:25] <DoctorD90> grep install | grep -v deinstall
1840[14:45:44] <jelly> (even if ifconfig shows them as such)
1841[14:45:56] <DoctorD90> so i get a complete list of installed packages :)... the aim of! tell installed packages
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1843[14:46:19] <jelly> DoctorD90: what are you going to do with the list of installed packages?
1844[14:47:07] <mgedmin> I like dpkg-query -W --showformat '${STATUS} ${PACKAGE}\n' "$@"|grep ' installed '|cut -d ' ' -f 4-
1845[14:47:44] <DoctorD90> jelly, yesterday i get an input/output error on /home...e2fcsk -f gives 0 error..so i think I have to reinstall...so I like to get entire list of installed packages to speed up reinstall :)
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1847[14:48:01] <mgedmin> not in the sense that it's a beautiful easy-to-remember format, but in the sense that I've an alias (list-installed-packages) that expands to this monstrosity
1848[14:48:08] <jelly> DoctorD90: packages do not put stuff in /home
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1850[14:48:59] <blind> That seems to do the same as: dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}'
1851[14:49:03] <MikeSeth> DoctorD90: may be a hw problem in which case reinstall won't help much.. i'd strongly advise to back up the data, and run HD stress tests
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1853[14:49:25] <DoctorD90> jelly what do you mean? o0... ah! no because in that case i have to change harddisk and im thinking to use mate instead of gnome :P... for this im thinking to comolete reinstall
1854[14:49:29] <jelly> DoctorD90: so if you only have issues with /home, and / is on a different disk, you don't have to reinstall
1855[14:49:47] <MikeSeth> DoctorD90: this may be a power, controller or cabling issue.. don't rush
1856[14:49:48] <MikeSeth> test first
1857[14:50:22] <DoctorD90> jelly MikeSeth yea, for this im thinking to change harddisk... but i would use mate :P...
1858[14:50:46] <DoctorD90> MikeSeth: yea, badblocks read...but it is a 300giga....many time required xD
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1860[14:51:49] <DoctorD90> mgedmin: yea, but in that case "/n" is there :) on bot, it use awk {printf $2}.... instead of {printf $2"/n"}
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1864[14:52:53] <mgedmin> btw when I say alias I really mean a tiny shell script in ~/bin (because aliases are terrible)
1865[14:53:41] <jelly> DoctorD90: ok. if you want to reinstall you'll be better served with "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" than a full list of packages
1866[14:53:53] <DoctorD90> really? for some easy alias i use them...but for other stuff i use me too little scripts but in /usr/local/bin/ :P
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1868[14:54:50] <DoctorD90> oh...ok i do! thx :D btw jelly in installed package, the first command need a printf $2"/n"
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1873[14:55:59] <missmbob> DoctorD90: we talked about this yesterday :P 22:36 < missmbob> DoctorD90: you want a list of installed packages on a running debian system?
1874[14:56:38] <MikeSeth> DoctorD90: hdparm -t
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1880[15:00:10] <DoctorD90> MikeSeth: when you told "better test" do you mean "e2fcsk -f"?
1881[15:00:17] <DoctorD90> MikeSeth: ah ok
1882[15:00:56] <MikeSeth> DoctorD90: also SMART tests etc
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1884[15:01:19] <DoctorD90> missmbob: exactly :P but "you" lost mamy my messages because phone internet line losts signal many times :P btw i find out some other ways and I thougth if they was the same
1885[15:01:39] <missmbob> DoctorD90: ah
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1887[15:01:42] <DoctorD90> MikeSeth: my disks seems they dont support smart :P
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1889[15:02:11] <MikeSeth> DoctorD90: are you kidding, it's 2016
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1891[15:02:38] <DoctorD90> missmbob: yea :( phone signal here isnt the best :P
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1893[15:03:05] <DoctorD90> MikeSeth: nope....pc is of 2009 xD more or less... hdd of 2010 more or less...
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1896[15:03:19] <DoctorD90> they told me smart isnt availaable
1897[15:03:27] <MikeSeth> they who
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1899[15:03:58] <DoctorD90> for this im thinging to buy a new one
1900[15:04:01] <DoctorD90> the disks
1901[15:04:22] <MikeSeth> well that -is- old
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1903[15:04:30] <MikeSeth> and no surprise you're getting IO errors
1904[15:04:40] <DoctorD90> yea...for this :P
1905[15:04:44] <plantfood> yeah they don't even manufacture IDE hard drives anymore, i think
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1907[15:04:52] <MikeSeth> IDE? O_O
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1910[15:05:00] <MikeSeth> that's like MFM/RLL in this age
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1912[15:05:13] <DoctorD90> but i did a complete 1round of badblocks destructive this december and it gives 0 errors
1913[15:05:22] <plantfood> no smart usually means IDE, no ?
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1915[15:05:32] <plantfood> *SMART
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1918[15:05:53] <DoctorD90> uhm....i dont fully remember :P
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1921[15:06:49] <DoctorD90> btw I have to purchase a new pc xD so hdd would not be a bad idea...
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1924[15:08:22] <venkat_330> I ma trying to access FTDI device with FTDI2xx driver. Followed all steps replaced-url
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1932[15:12:20] <DoctorD90> MikeSeth btw im thinking to use mate as DE, but when I tried to use double DE, system gets many errors....so instead of use my actual system amd switch to Mate, better to reinstall xD
1933[15:12:34] <MikeSeth> DoctorD90: I don't use any of that, i3-wm + custom config for me
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1935[15:12:45] <DoctorD90> lol
1936[15:12:55] <MikeSeth> I have 3 screens here, clicking on things is too much pain
1937[15:13:20] <DoctorD90> xD.... i will have to try i3 one of this days :P
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1942[15:14:42] <DoctorD90> have you installed a "plain" system without DE, and then have you installed i3?
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1945[15:15:50] <bittin> Linuxcon has started: replaced-url
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1948[15:16:21] <plantfood> thanks for reminder
1949[15:16:23] <DoctorD90> afk
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1951[15:16:37] <bittin> plantfood: np :)
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1954[15:17:38] <MikeSeth> DoctorD90: I always install a base netinst debian, purge it of heathen spirits like rpcbind and cups and then install things
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1956[15:18:31] <DoctorD90> ;) to use gpt and luks i need to use netinst me too
1957[15:18:41] <DoctorD90> but it requires many tike to install xD
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1962[15:21:30] <doublehp> how do I filter this out of syslog ? replaced-url
1963[15:22:35] <doublehp> it's sysklogd
1964[15:22:36] <bezaban> doublehp: don't turn the switchport you're connected to into a tap
1965[15:22:54] <bezaban> as mentioned in ##networking
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1968[15:23:11] <MikeSeth> doublehp: that's a bad sign, check for packet loss
1969[15:23:13] <doublehp> bezaban: had not seen that message
1970[15:23:36] <bezaban> doublehp: I suspect the 'port monitoring' you're activating is a span/mirror port, which will cause that behaviour
1971[15:24:42] <bezaban> doublehp: what are you expecting it to do?
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1973[15:24:50] <doublehp> bezaban: eth0 does have brctl+tap ... but the mirror port is not the monitoring port
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1975[15:25:12] <bezaban> if you're seeing those packets it doesn't sound like it's configured right
1976[15:25:18] <doublehp> bezaban: but I may be able to remove the bridge
1977[15:25:37] <_0xbadc0de> guys
1978[15:25:47] <_0xbadc0de> I just did apt-get install apache2
1979[15:25:52] <_0xbadc0de> how can I initialize it
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1981[15:26:05] <MikeSeth> what do you mean 'initialize'
1982[15:26:07] <_0xbadc0de> because replaced-url
1983[15:26:13] <bezaban> doublehp: supressing the messages in the log is not a good solution imo
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1985[15:26:31] <doublehp> bezaban: will removing the bridge help ?
1986[15:26:53] <bezaban> doublehp: don't know enough about your setup. it might
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1988[15:27:04] <bezaban> try
1989[15:27:07] <MikeSeth> _0xbadc0de: you mean *start*?
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2001[15:33:15] <themill> _0xbadc0de: what precisely do you mean by "does not show anything"? Connection refused? blank page? "It works!"?
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2006[15:34:39] <_0xbadc0de> systemctl start apache2
2007[15:34:43] <_0xbadc0de> that was the answer
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2012[15:36:42] <MikeSeth> _0xbadc0de: words have meanings
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2014[15:38:08] <stoned> Words don't have meanings.
2015[15:38:17] <stoned> Meanings are conveyed through words.
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2017[15:39:15] <stoned> You can make up any word and assign any meaning to it.
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2049[15:51:11] <daveyjonesy> For hosting a virtualised home media server (and I know I will get biased answers here) would you suggest I use debian over ubuntu?
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2051[15:51:33] <petemc> daveyjonesy: either would work
2052[15:51:35] <daveyjonesy> I'm currently running it on debian 8, not having issues as such but I noticed quite a few people using ubuntu server
2053[15:51:48] <missmbob> if it aint broke dont fix it
2054[15:51:51] <daveyjonesy> Is there any value to be gained from moving to Ubuntu?
2055[15:52:17] <daveyjonesy> missmbob, maybe you're right!
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2065[15:55:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> daveyjonesy, I'm sure #ubuntu can give you lots of great reasons to switch… they usually can
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2068[15:56:21] <bezaban> it's a different cup of tea
2069[15:57:02] <daveyjonesy> Do you think I should stay? :D
2070[15:57:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> sometimes even reminds me a little of apple fandom
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2073[15:57:16] <bezaban> or kettle of fish rather
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2077[15:57:52] <sypher> daveyjonesy: What is Debian not doing that you need it to do, or doing that you need it to NOT do?
2078[15:58:16] <bezaban> daveyjonesy: do what you prefer, I manage a wide variety of flavours myself and they all work, but don't expect anyone here to try to convince you either way :O)
2079[15:58:33] <daveyjonesy> It's working fine for me sypher, but I may potentially rebuild my server anyway so was just wondering (having read a few people using ubuntu server over debian) if there's any merit to doing so
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2081[15:58:59] <sypher> daveyjonesy: These "few people," can they give the reasons for their choice?
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2083[15:59:17] <sypher> daveyjonesy: Do these reasons have any true technical merit?
2084[15:59:17] <bezaban> I dislike a lot of the ubuntu-ism, but basically it comes down to personal preference
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2086[15:59:20] <daveyjonesy> I mean, I hear there's newer packages. But what difference does that really mean to me running sabnzbd, sonarr, couch potato, transission etc.
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2088[15:59:48] <daveyjonesy> sypher, i've not discussed it with them personally. Just reading various posts around etc.
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2092[16:01:05] <sypher> daveyjonesy: Newer != better.
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2095[16:01:49] <sypher> daveyjonesy: So far, it seems like you're not missing any capability that you need, you're already familiar with the system, etc. What is your remaining motive for change other than doing what other people are doing?
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2099[16:02:19] <stoned> daveyjonesy: this is a very very silly query.
2100[16:02:29] <daveyjonesy> Trying something different, checking out the "greener" grass on the other side I don't know
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2102[16:02:37] <stoned> daveyjonesy: anyone's else's suggestion is useless to you.
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2104[16:02:55] <daveyjonesy> Please elaborate stoned
2105[16:03:02] <stoned> daveyjonesy: the only thing that will help you is using both in two vms side by side set them up both and see which works better for you.
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2107[16:03:14] <stoned> daveyjonesy: the only thing that matters is YOUR OWN experience
2108[16:03:22] <stoned> What do you expect us to do for you?
2109[16:03:33] <stoned> Give you our experience? A description of OUR experience?
2110[16:03:41] <stoned> A description is not a thing.
2111[16:03:43] <daveyjonesy> That's true, I was just asking for some thoughts or anecdotes
2112[16:03:49] <stoned> I can draw you a mountain, but the drawing is not the mountain
2113[16:03:50] <daveyjonesy> I don't think asking here is useless
2114[16:03:53] <stoned> Go have the experience.
2115[16:03:57] <stoned> Don't ask silly questions.
2116[16:04:21] <hassoon> yep, the experiencer is better than a doctor
2117[16:04:24] <sypher> daveyjonesy: I can make a Linux box do whatever I want using Debian, Ubuntu, RHEL/CentOS, Fedora, Gentoo, Arch Linux, etc.
2118[16:04:41] <sypher> daveyjonesy: Try what you want, use what you want.
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2123[16:05:14] <stoned> Well, to come to #debian and ask whether you should use debian or not, what do you think will happen? You'll be queried as to your usecase and debian can pretty much handle all of them. Just takes a bit more work.
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2125[16:05:19] <daveyjonesy> stoned, philosophy aside, I don't think asking for input or advice is stupid. Nor do I think it's a silly question.
2126[16:05:23] <stoned> If you were to go to #ubuntu they'd tell you to use Ubuntu
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2128[16:05:29] <daveyjonesy> Not necessarily
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2130[16:05:37] <daveyjonesy> Thanks sypher
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2132[16:06:18] <bezaban> daveyjonesy: everyone here are debian users by choice, you have to make your own
2133[16:06:42] <stoned> I mean, I wouldn't know to NOT use Ubuntu, if I hadn't used it.
2134[16:06:47] <themill> moving on…
2135[16:06:52] <stoned> I know to use Debian, because I use it.
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2137[16:06:58] <stoned> So you gotta use the things and then make the mind up
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2139[16:07:15] <daveyjonesy> bezaban, that's fair enough, I was just asking for some input regarding a specific use case. Perhaps there is some extra value to some part of one or the other. I don't know, which is why I was just asking for some guidance
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2142[16:08:07] <bezaban> daveyjonesy: usecase was very vague, but debian will do it
2143[16:08:45] <daveyjonesy> bezaban, I tried to explain the core use and some of the applications I was using. But again, fair enough!
2144[16:08:51] <bezaban> daveyjonesy: otoh if you are using plex or something you might want a rolling release (at the cost of occasional breakage)
2145[16:08:54] <bezaban> ,v plex
2146[16:08:55] <judd> No package named 'plex' was found in amd64.
2147[16:09:04] <bezaban> or not :P
2148[16:09:12] <stoned> I use sabsnzbd, sickbeard, couchpotato, etc. etc. on debian
2149[16:09:19] <daveyjonesy> I would be using plex
2150[16:09:19] <stoned> \o/
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2158[16:10:22] <missmbob> plex had jessie repository...
2159[16:10:26] <missmbob> has*
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2162[16:11:28] <syt0> hello, I was trying to install tor on debian 8 minimal and there were some unneeded packages that was going to be installed like exim4 and cron, why did this happen and how can i prevent it?
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2179[16:15:09] <reactormonk> How would I detect from a post-inst script if a config file has been changed?
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2185[16:17:06] <smdrz> syth0, you remove after installation
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2205[16:21:29] <syt0> no
2206[16:21:50] <syt0> i'll just install windows
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2210[16:22:41] <c-c> syt0: haha did you know today microsofts main business is selling personal information?
2211[16:22:57] <afidegnum> hello, on debian 7, trying to install systemctl and systemctl-recv crashed the grup of my server. here is hte screenshot of what' I have got so far sorry this is an emergency console, i couldn't capture a full shot replaced-url
2212[16:23:00] <afidegnum> but i have requested for a rescue system can you pleae advise how to use it to recover my boot partitions?
2213[16:23:04] <afidegnum> replaced-url
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2218[16:24:39] <syt0> c-c: it doesn't seem like there is a solution for this
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2220[16:24:58] <syt0> i thought you guys were pros
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2223[16:25:22] <bezaban> syt0: we don't mind if you install windows, have a full refund of your support fees and have a nice day
2224[16:25:30] <digdilem> </troll>
2225[16:25:33] <c-c> syt0: we cannot stop microsoft from invading their paying customers privacy, sorry
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2227[16:26:09] <jelly> syt0: can you show the complete output of the installation attempt?
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2233[16:26:56] <smdrz> syt0 add --no-install-recommends to apt
2234[16:26:59] <syt0> jelly: would it help?
2235[16:27:11] <SynrG> as for 'pro', that would technically be someone who makes a living giving support. are you soliciting quotes for such support, then?
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2237[16:27:21] <jelly> syt0: if you installed something that depends on recommends cron, it would pull in a mta (like exim) by default
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2239[16:27:33] <afidegnum> any insight ?
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2241[16:27:42] <jelly> syt0: yes, else I wouldn't ask for it
2242[16:28:00] <SynrG> afidegnum: hard to get people to care about debian 7 much anymore. why are you stuck on such an old version?
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2246[16:28:29] <jelly> afidegnum: eh, systemd on wheezy was pretty old and pretty broken
2247[16:28:53] <syt0> smdrz: thanks, that solved it
2248[16:28:59] <jelly> SynrG: I'm sure you mean that, but I find myself installing fresh wheezy today
2249[16:29:10] <SynrG> fun!
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2252[16:29:16] <jelly> because "app supports postgres 9.1 or 9.3"
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2255[16:29:40] <SynrG> afidegnum: i'm not sure i understand "trying to install systemctl", as that's a component of systemd, and would not be normally installed separately.
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2257[16:31:19] <SynrG> afidegnum: and also as to the inability to make any changes in apt, it would appear your root filesystem is mounted read-only. without understanding what you are trying to do, i can't advise that you should change that ... but if you want to make changes to your filesystem, clearly you'll need to remount it read/write
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2259[16:32:42] <Iridos> SynrG, I think the hetzner servers just aren't updated too often... and anyway if you have a vps, I think you have to deploy a completely new image for the new kernel (and userland) and then somehow have to migrate your stuff magically
2260[16:32:59] <Iridos> (I once helped someone who ran a server on one of their vps')
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2262[16:34:09] <SynrG> i see
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2264[16:34:19] <SynrG> i probably can't assist any further, then.
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2267[16:34:49] <afidegnum> well i don't know what happened, after running hte installation, i had a Failed to get D-Bus connection: no Connection to service manager
2268[16:34:59] <Iridos> but because it's virtual, you can't do an upgrade including the kernel
2269[16:35:00] <afidegnum> that's where my woes started
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2276[16:36:58] <afidegnum> now, i m looking to recover the linux partition/installation
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2279[16:37:16] <afidegnum> so it can overwrite the old booting system
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2286[16:40:19] <jelly> <Iridos> but because it's virtual, you can't do an upgrade including the kernel # then it's not virtual ENOUGH
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2296[16:42:23] <Iridos> jelly, but… performance
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2322[16:52:23] <_0xbadc0de> guys
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2327[16:53:19] <_0xbadc0de> is this a good place to discuss phpBB; apache and sqlite and a failed isntallatioN'
2328[16:53:20] <_0xbadc0de> =?
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2330[16:53:58] <nkuttler> _0xbadc0de: which install fails?
2331[16:54:15] <_0xbadc0de> phpBB
2332[16:54:24] <nkuttler> _0xbadc0de: ask the phpbb channel
2333[16:55:12] <nkuttler> _0xbadc0de: or are you using a debian package?
2334[16:55:17] <nkuttler> ,v phpbb3
2335[16:55:18] <judd> Package: phpbb3 on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 3.0.10-4+deb7u1; wheezy: 3.0.10-4+deb7u3; jessie: 3.0.12-5+deb8u1
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2339[16:56:25] <_0xbadc0de> but php is running i think
2340[16:56:44] <_0xbadc0de> at least server/test.php returns what would be expected
2341[16:57:03] <nkuttler> why do you think there was an error?
2342[16:57:03] <_0xbadc0de> <?php phpversion(); ?>
2343[16:57:17] <_0xbadc0de> I really have no idea
2344[16:57:21] <jelly> !ask
2345[16:57:22] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2347[16:57:49] <_0xbadc0de> I just extracted the install folder of phpBB 2.0.23 to replaced-url
2348[16:58:00] <_0xbadc0de> and attempted to run /install/install.php
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2350[16:58:07] <_0xbadc0de> but...nothing happened
2351[16:58:11] <nkuttler> _0xbadc0de: if you don't use the debian package ask the phpbb channel
2352[16:58:25] <_0xbadc0de> I mean the installation screen shows up but when i hit install it shows that
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2354[16:58:39] <_0xbadc0de> maybe mysql module has not been loaded
2355[16:58:39] <_0xbadc0de> ?
2356[16:58:49] <jelly> 2.0.23 sounds very last decade
2357[16:59:02] <_0xbadc0de> it is but it must be this specific version
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2362[16:59:45] <jelly> _0xbadc0de: I suggest setting up a chroot installation of a suitably old debian system, and trying to run in that environment
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2364[17:00:29] <jelly> if an app expects php 5.2 but has to run on php 5.6 there's a high chance of failure
2365[17:00:41] <jelly> !debootstrap
2366[17:00:41] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
2367[17:01:00] <jelly> _0xbadc0de: good luck.
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2380[17:06:58] <afidegnum> what's the equivalent of systemd-sysv in wheezy again?
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2398[17:15:42] <jelly> afidegnum: probably "just use sysvinit" unless you have something specific in mind
2399[17:15:56] <jelly> ,v systemd-sysv
2400[17:15:57] <judd> Package: systemd-sysv on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 230-7; sid: 231-4
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2402[17:16:47] <jelly> afidegnum: if you're absolutely bent on doing systemd on wheezy, perhaps the version from wheezy-backports may work (better)
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2414[17:23:40] <Nematocyst> how can I get gnome applications to look right? I'm using cinnamon with a custom theme. most programs look fine, but gnome stuff has washed out title bar and horrible borderless windows.
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2538[18:05:43] <doublehp> Debian Lenny: what is the right way to set IPv6 aliases ? "iface eth0 inet6 auto" is not accepted syntax; when I put "post-up /sbin/ip -6 addr add" in the "iface eth0 inet static" section, addresses are not added at boot (they are if I Restart network after boot)
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2571[18:06:57] <JohnA> I am currently running stretch + LXDE, my principle application used is Gramps. I have found that LXDE has glitches, no show stoppers, but annoying. What would be a better setup be?
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2576[18:08:20] <JohnA> I would prefer NOT to use Evolution and as I don't see much point in installing un-needed software I would prefer not install it.
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2583[18:10:23] <nkuttler> JohnA: i'm not sure what your question is
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2586[18:10:49] <nkuttler> JohnA: maybe you want to install lxde-core instead of the full package
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2609[18:16:09] <JohnA> there is another example of a problem I switched app, to close it. and hexchat assumed I had left the room!!!
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2614[18:16:56] <AfterDark> I installed Debian 8 on a USB drive, so I always have a portable OS. The read speeds aren't great, though. Are there any ways to improve this?
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2623[18:18:43] <jelly> AfterDark: use a faster, usb3 connected drive?
2624[18:19:16] <AfterDark> It's all USB3-ed up.
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2628[18:20:30] <jelly> AfterDark: and "pv < /dev/sdX > /dev/null" as root shows what speeds
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2668[18:30:44] <beardy_> Hello!
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2671[18:31:52] <beardy_> So i found out someting really strange, my password for a certain cifs share had expired on said windows machine. I updated it an ran a mount, after that the folder that it binds to i have lost access over
2672[18:32:02] <beardy_> the owner/group permissions all read as "??????"
2673[18:32:13] <beardy_> so where did i fuck up :) ?
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2679[18:34:44] <SynrG> beardy_: maybe something cached there and corrupt?
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2682[18:35:22] <SynrG> beardy_: if rebooting the client system doesn't fix it, you might need a server admin to intervene :p
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2684[18:35:45] <SynrG> (based on hazy recollection of seeing '??????' here at work, and actions taken to clear the condition)
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2687[18:36:08] <beardy_> SynrG: too bad I'm the server admin ;)
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2689[18:36:11] <SynrG> haha
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2692[18:36:24] <SynrG> umm. in this case, the server was windows
2693[18:36:34] <SynrG> i don't do windows server stuff, so ...
2694[18:36:36] <SynrG> can't advise
2695[18:36:41] <beardy_> I have never experienced anything like this :/
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2697[18:37:04] <beardy_> oh the share is mounted from a windows share, but the permissions and whatnot is listed as "??????" on the debian machine
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2702[18:39:01] <SynrG> yep. same situation as I had, i think
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2704[18:39:12] <beardy_> Too bad I'm in a remote location and the machine will require a password after rebooting
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2706[18:39:21] <SynrG> guh
2707[18:39:24] <beardy_> guess i will have to let i go until i get back
2708[18:39:31] <Rebelnet> hi
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2711[18:40:23] <Rebelnet> Anyone would recommend a debian ready laptop?
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2714[18:40:46] <beardy_> well that was odd
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2716[18:41:08] <beardy_> SynrG: for reference, umount foldername
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2718[18:41:14] <beardy_> and then mounting it again cleared it up :P
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2723[18:42:30] <beardy_> I wonder if the folders where locked or something, and changing the password for the mount messed it up
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2727[18:43:41] <beardy_> oh well time to do some actual work again
2728[18:43:43] <beardy_> later guys
2729[18:43:45] <beardy_> and gals
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2736[18:45:11] <noname85421> Hey
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2739[18:45:47] <noname85421> I would like to know, how default debian installation can bypass nat firewall and connect to ftp over tls
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2741[18:46:08] <greycat> What makes you think it can?
2742[18:46:48] <noname85421> Because, windows can't connect, archlinux can't connect, debian can connect
2743[18:46:52] <noname85421> on same network
2744[18:46:53] <greycat> I also think your life would become an order of magnitude simpler if you would stop trying to connect to "FTP over TLS" and just use sftp.
2745[18:47:37] <noname85421> I am working with web developing company so i have to use they servers
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2751[18:48:24] <jelly> noname85421: is the client or the server behind nat or both? which OS on the client? which ftp client software? which OS on the server? which ftp server software?
2752[18:48:26] <noname85421> I just can't understand what magic debian does
2753[18:48:42] <noname85421> My lan is behind nat
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2755[18:48:57] <noname85421> If i use my dsl connection i can connect
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2759[18:49:21] <jelly> are "you" the ftp client or the ftp server or both?
2760[18:49:26] <greycat> What application are you using to "connect"?
2761[18:49:34] <noname85421> main question is why i could connect to same server via same network while i was using debian
2762[18:49:40] <noname85421> Filezilla
2763[18:50:05] <noname85421> Initializing TLS... and timed out
2764[18:50:07] <Fauve> Hello people o/
2765[18:50:17] <Fauve> Do you already use Remmina with NX protocol?
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2768[18:50:22] <Fauve> It works?
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2774[18:54:58] <SynrG> beardy: huh. surprisingly simple
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2776[18:55:20] <beardy> Say what..?
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2778[18:55:28] <SynrG> umount fixed it
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2780[18:55:52] * beardy wonders why SynrG speaks to him here since he hasn't said anything.. but ok. :)
2781[18:55:56] <SynrG> ah, not beardy_ :)
2782[18:56:14] <SynrG> <-- beardy_ (5eea276d@replaced-ip) has left #debian
2783[18:56:29] <beardy> An imposter eh..
2784[18:56:35] <SynrG> indeed
2785[18:57:04] <jelly> noname85421: it's hard to say not knowing the specifics of your network and ftp client. Wild guess: different defaults for passive or active ftp used
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2787[18:57:23] <jelly> !next
2788[18:57:23] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2790[18:57:34] <beardy> From Sweden even, wtf..
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2792[18:57:51] <SynrG> well, gateway/web/freenode ... from anywhere?
2793[18:58:05] <jelly> probably a nonzero number of beardies in .se
2794[18:58:06] <beardy> From the IP..?
2795[18:58:11] <SynrG> oh, the ip, gotcha
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2797[18:58:53] <jelly> noname85421: it's hard to say not knowing the specifics of your network and ftp client. Wild guess: different defaults for passive or active ftp used
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2801[19:00:04] <beardy> !ftpmustdie
2802[19:00:04] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
2803[19:00:17] <SynrG> further speculation on beardy frequency and distribution by geographic region is, i suspect, OT ;) (but i would hazard a guess that yes, .se is full of beards)
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2806[19:00:58] <greycat> He claims that he is "required" to use FTP-over-TLS by some provider (and no he didn't say why he was using that provider).
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2810[19:02:55] <noname85421> okay
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2814[19:03:12] <noname85421> now i have two laptops connected to same router
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2816[19:03:42] <noname85421> one laptop is arch linux another is debian
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2818[19:04:11] <noname85421> debian connect to same server without tls
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2820[19:04:41] <noname85421> and on arch linux i do receive AUTH TLS.. initializing TLS and connection dies
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2825[19:05:23] <noname85421> how to understand this?
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2830[19:06:24] <greycat> Ask #archlinux
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2843[19:09:18] <jelly> noname85421: inspect actual traffic on both, see what makes one ask for capabilities and try to TLS, and the other not do that
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2846[19:09:44] <jelly> tcpdump and wireshark are your friends.
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2866[19:16:42] <noname85421> replaced-url
2867[19:16:51] <noname85421> what magic does debian? :)
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2870[19:17:58] <greycat> What magic does Arch *fail* to do? Ask #archlinux or ask a filezilla channel.
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2873[19:18:20] <noname85421> greycat
2874[19:18:27] <greycat> Looks like #filezilla also exists.
2875[19:18:30] <noname85421> as i remember windows fails too
2876[19:18:37] <greycat> Such shock.
2877[19:18:54] <noname85421> ill check it now
2878[19:19:11] <UukGoblin> neither jessie's nor sid's installer sees my network card (an Intel I-218V, which, I believe uses the e1000e driver) :-( cards works fine in a different distro
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2880[19:19:27] <UukGoblin> s/cards/card/
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2888[19:21:11] <Putti> I want to print A4 page with my printer using lp program (or any other but evince is not working). I want the printed paper to be borderless but I can't find any option in lp's man page to do that nor in lpoptions program or the web. Help would be appreciated! :)
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2891[19:21:46] <pneumatik> i'm so excited, i'm getting my dell poweredge server tonight :D
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2894[19:22:02] <pneumatik> gonna probably have 2 debian VMs on it
2895[19:22:11] <pneumatik> one for i2p and one for regular stuff
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2900[19:23:22] <Putti> pneumatik, a bit curious, what's regular stuff?
2901[19:23:44] <pneumatik> regular http/https hosting
2902[19:23:49] <pneumatik> and probably a minecraft server
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2904[19:24:01] <Putti> pneumatik, okay :)
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2946[19:37:54] <Putti> I think the printer doesn't support borderless printing as when I select for example in evince or firefox the pdf for printing as borderless both of them won't do it (but they don't say any error message...)
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2974[19:51:29] <hellyeah> is there a software for downloading youtube video as mp3? someone knows the name of software?
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2979[19:52:14] <greycat> It's something of an arms race, because youtube wants you to see their ads, and people want to skip the ads... anway.
2980[19:52:18] <greycat> ,info youtube-dl
2981[19:52:19] <judd> Package youtube-dl (web, extra) in jessie/amd64: downloader of videos from YouTube and other sites. Version: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; Size: 315.1k; Installed: 1469k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2983[19:52:34] <SlazO> hellyeah: youtube-dl
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2986[19:52:47] <SlazO> then convert your file with ffmpeg
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2989[19:53:16] <hellyeah> youtube-dl will convert it?
2990[19:53:24] <missmbob> yeah. no need for ffmpeg
2991[19:53:37] <SlazO> ah, sweet
2992[19:53:59] <theseb> Any idea why wifi would randomly die when resume after sleep but not always?
2993[19:53:59] <theseb> Also, sometimes it asks me for the wifi password after an hour or so and
2994[19:54:02] <theseb> sometimes it doesn't all day!?
2995[19:54:28] <cybrNaut> cclive will do it
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2999[19:57:11] <cybrNaut> scratch that.. i'm not sure
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3046[20:12:28] <Jkessler> Raid 1
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3054[20:14:57] <cluelessperson> hey guys, what are some built in tools for checking hard drive health?
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3079[20:21:15] <FreshDumbledore> cluelessperson, smartctl for example
3080[20:21:30] <FreshDumbledore> should be in your distros repos
3081[20:21:53] <FreshDumbledore> smartmontools on debian
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3089[20:25:40] <Treah_Work> Hey all I have a question about the testing versions of the netinstall iso.. There is one named debian-mac-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
3090[20:25:47] <Treah_Work> I was just curous what this is?
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3093[20:26:36] <missmbob> replaced-url
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3095[20:27:02] <Treah_Work> Ahh
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3098[20:27:59] <Treah_Work> I thought maybe this was for any of the newer macs to deal with the UEFI that they have since its not the same UEFI as PC systems
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3105[20:30:50] <f-a> I downloaded the i386 iso and would like now to go for the automated install, but where to select options (e.g. desktop environment, etc.)?
3106[20:32:02] <FreshDumbledore> f-a, you sure you got a 32 bit cpu?
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3109[20:33:08] <f-a> FreshDumbledore: yes, glulgug refurbished lappy
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3111[20:33:21] <f-a> (well, I am installing in a kvm vm, but same)
3112[20:33:40] <FreshDumbledore> f-a, i used the netiso and it asked me somewhere in the end of the installation which DE i want to use
3113[20:34:08] <f-a> FreshDumbledore: yeah, me too. Today I was temped by that 'automated install' option
3114[20:34:51] <FreshDumbledore> f-a, replaced-url
3115[20:34:55] <rly> When I do /usr/bin/autossh -M 0 -f -N nameoftunnel for some weird reason it doesn't work when I try to connect to it via e.g. curl (but any other method also doesn't work). Version of autossh is 1.4d.
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3117[20:35:37] <rly> The exact same command on a different system with a different version of autossh (and, not distributed by Debian), does work.
3118[20:35:48] <f-a> oh thanks FreshDumbledore , I missed that
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3120[20:36:03] <FreshDumbledore> f-a, doublecheck its the right thing for you :D
3121[20:36:06] <rly> There are no warnings or something like that and just doing ssh nameoftunnel does work.
3122[20:36:10] <FreshDumbledore> just trying to help ^.^
3123[20:36:35] <f-a> worst that can happen is that I create another vm ;)
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3125[20:37:25] <blind> I've got a 7" USB "DisplayLink" monitor I'm trying to use with Debian Jessie. I also have AMD drivers on here that run my monitors, so I have a populated xorg.conf to make those work. If I get rid of the xorg.conf, I have X on the little monitor and can't see the normal ones. If I leave the file in place, I get my normal monitors but no the little one. How can I have this little USB monitor be auxiliary?
3126[20:37:27] <FreshDumbledore> f-a, i think here is a full documentation replaced-url
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3128[20:37:35] <f-a> thanks FreshDumbledore
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3134[20:39:55] <blind> I did try to add a xorg.conf entry for the little monitor, but it didn't seem to have any effect.. xrandr doesn't see it.
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3137[20:40:28] <t4nk022> hi
3138[20:40:40] <t4nk022> mysql-workbench is severely broken in unstable
3139[20:40:47] <t4nk022> I'm really annoyed
3140[20:40:55] <missmbob> !debian-next
3141[20:40:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3142[20:40:58] <t4nk022> what could I do to fix this ?
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3144[20:41:05] <missmbob> annoyed at unstable being broken is funny
3145[20:41:09] <blind> upset that unstable isn't stable? :p
3146[20:41:17] <t4nk022> well it's broken
3147[20:41:21] <missmbob> go tell them
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3150[20:41:28] <missmbob> i'm sure they'll laugh a bit too
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3153[20:41:47] <rly> I am annoying that Stable isn't Stable.
3154[20:41:51] <rly> annoyed*
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3156[20:42:04] <t4nk022> I tried downgrading to stable
3157[20:42:08] <t4nk022> but it was too hard
3158[20:42:10] <missmbob> doesn't work
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3160[20:42:12] <missmbob> !downgrade
3161[20:42:13] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
3162[20:42:14] <t4nk022> it was a mess in the end.
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3165[20:42:23] <missmbob> go to #debian-next like the /topic and bot told you
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3167[20:42:27] <rly> t4nk022: Debian is not designed to do that, and yet that sucks.
3168[20:42:31] <rly> yes*
3169[20:42:43] <t4nk022> well I doubt they will help
3170[20:42:57] <t4nk022> probably will tell me the same thing you did.
3171[20:43:04] <missmbob> it's actually on topic there
3172[20:43:05] <rly> t4nk022: if you don't want to have these issues, you should just run a couple of VMs.
3173[20:43:10] <blind> To go to the proper channel? I don't think they would do that in the proper channel.
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3175[20:43:23] <rly> t4nk022: so, you have your stable operating system which only runs your VMs.
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3177[20:43:53] <rly> t4nk022: then to do anything involving applications, you run a VM for that, or multiple.
3178[20:44:05] <rly> t4nk022: this way you can run stable, unstable, etc. all at the same time.
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3180[20:44:27] <t4nk022> how can I slowly avoid upgrade and slowly wait for my machine to be stable
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3182[20:44:33] <t4nk022> without dist-upgrading ?
3183[20:44:38] <rly> t4nk022: that's also a bad idea.
3184[20:44:43] <t4nk022> k
3185[20:44:43] <rly> t4nk022: it will never work.
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3188[20:45:00] <rly> t4nk022: you can do a reinstall.
3189[20:45:13] <rly> t4nk022: get a Debian installer CD, if you want.
3190[20:45:25] <`Kevin> containers would be ideal versus VMs if you have the time..
3191[20:45:27] <f-a> t4nk022: indeed, any chance you can just backup the relevant data and start from scratch
3192[20:45:32] <rly> t4nk022: or just install another operating system which has been designed to do these kinds of things.
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3194[20:46:05] <rly> t4nk022: Debian is not a system you can meaningfully upgrade.
3195[20:46:08] <rly> t4nk022: or downgrade.
3196[20:46:24] <rly> People put in a lot of effort, but in the end it's all broken.
3197[20:46:46] <Treah_Work> Im pretty sure you can go stable -> unstable
3198[20:46:50] <rly> The tooling is just not there to provide any meaningful serivce level.
3199[20:47:00] <rly> Treah_Work: I am pretty sure you can't.
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3201[20:47:26] <rly> Treah_Work: your interpretation of that is that there exists systems (for example yours), for which this would work.
3202[20:47:51] <rly> Treah_Work: my interpretation is that it should work on every system that can possibly exist and was a valid Stable configuration.
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3204[20:48:00] <Treah_Work> yeah no
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3206[20:48:16] <rly> Treah_Work: "yeah no"?
3207[20:48:27] <t4nk022> I really think you could if aptitude and apt and dependancies in general in debian was not that broken
3208[20:48:39] <t4nk022> I mean
3209[20:48:52] <t4nk022> from an engineering standpoint it is quite possible.
3210[20:48:52] <Treah_Work> rly im agreeing
3211[20:49:05] <rly> t4nk022: it's not "that broken", but it's not perfect either.
3212[20:49:07] <missmbob> !dontbreakdebian
3213[20:49:07] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is replaced-url
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3216[20:49:22] <rly> It depends way too much on the individual qualities of maintainers.
3217[20:49:32] <rly> And those are even volunteers, which makes it even worse.
3218[20:49:58] <t4nk022> is there circular dependancies in debian ?
3219[20:50:00] <rly> Even most professional people are already incompetent, let alone someone who is not paid for it.
3220[20:50:15] <t4nk022> time to go
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3223[20:51:27] <rly> What I find most surprising about all of this is that the people building Debian don't get these simple facts.
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3242[20:57:58] <johnfg> hi guys
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3245[20:59:05] <johnfg> I note that in my home folder of .adobe, that Flash_Player/NativeCache has grown way too big, 3.5 gb!
3246[20:59:18] <johnfg> How do I clean it up/get rid of it?
3247[20:59:30] <johnfg> Not much I've found my searching.
3248[20:59:41] <stoned> there is something called bleachbit
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3250[21:00:24] <stoned> that might help
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3252[21:00:45] <missmbob> just rm the bitch
3253[21:01:19] <`Kevin> you can delete NativeCache it should re-create it as needed but if you need to free up disk space then i would look elsewhere as it will likely re-generate that sooner rather than later
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3255[21:02:14] <johnfg> k, thanks guys
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3275[21:08:07] <Meerkat> is it known when wine 1.9.17 is out on jessie-backports. i'd like to play SC2 again. :/
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3277[21:08:30] <daio> you can with virtualbox
3278[21:08:38] <missmbob> Meerkat: maybe never
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3280[21:09:26] <greycat> sid has wine 1.8.3-3 for whatever that's worth
3281[21:09:34] <missmbob> so does backports :P
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3284[21:09:56] <greycat> ,v wine-development
3285[21:09:57] <judd> Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; sid: 1.9.14-1; jessie-backports: 1.9.16-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.9.16-1; sid: 1.9.16-1
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3288[21:10:01] <greycat> Try that one maybe?
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3292[21:11:34] <bipul> May i know what permission decides the deletion of directory by group members?
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3294[21:12:09] <greycat> 1) the directory must be empty, and 2) you must have write permission on the directory's PARENT directory.
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3302[21:13:54] <bipul> greycat, Well, i created a file say A at my home directory, with following permissions drwx-wx--- 2 lucy lucy 4096 Aug 22 23:20 A.
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3306[21:14:14] <greycat> That's a directory, but go on.
3307[21:14:39] <bipul> And when i am trying to delete that directory with group member harry hary@bipul:/home/lucy$ rm -rf A/
3308[21:14:39] <bipul> rm: cannot remove 'A/': Permission denied
3309[21:15:05] <bipul> The directory A is empty.
3310[21:15:09] <greycat> The user trying to delete /home/lucy/A must have WRITE PERMISSION on the /home/lucy/ directory.
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3313[21:15:24] <greycat> Doesn't MATTER what the permissions are on /home/lucy/A.
3314[21:15:31] <greycat> Only on the directory that it's inside.
3315[21:15:38] <bipul> greycat, Oh oki
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3318[21:16:05] <bipul> So On linux every thing is one single directory. /
3319[21:16:17] <pijiu> yes, in /
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3321[21:16:30] * bipul Got idea
3322[21:16:48] <pijiu> never rm -rf /
3323[21:16:56] <Strykar> how does one find and contact the maintainer of a deb package
3324[21:17:01] <greycat> File a bug report.
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3326[21:17:02] <bipul> No i will remove "w" Option from /
3327[21:17:32] <bipul> So that no one can do rm -rf / even drunk root user
3328[21:17:36] <pijiu> Strykar, aptitude show PKGNAME will show u his contacts
3329[21:18:16] <pijiu> bipul, u may actually put all stuff into separate disk partitions like a pro
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3332[21:18:36] <bipul> pijiu, humm i will try.
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3334[21:18:54] <pijiu> partitioning is actually recommended
3335[21:19:15] <Strykar> pijiu, thank you
3336[21:19:22] <pijiu> Strykar, yw
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3339[21:20:10] <pijiu> when i see rm -rf i think "bumblebee!"
3340[21:20:15] <pijiu> then lol.
3341[21:20:28] <stoned> ever tried rm -rf / as root?
3342[21:20:44] <bipul> Thank you greycat & pijiu .
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3344[21:21:00] <pijiu> replaced-url
3345[21:21:03] <stoned> As soon as the rm binary is removed it stops
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3347[21:21:38] <pijiu> stoned, no i didnt, but tried rm -rf important folder content at remote AND backup server
3348[21:21:39] <greycat> stoned: lies.
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3351[21:22:04] <pijiu> greycat, try
3352[21:22:05] <greycat> Note to readers: please do NOT test "rm -rf /" on your systems. It will break everything.
3353[21:22:17] <stoned> test it in a vm
3354[21:22:19] <greycat> pijiu: This is your first and last warning. This is not funny.
3355[21:22:22] <stoned> it's learning experience
3356[21:22:25] <pijiu> okay
3357[21:22:46] <stoned> I think that's what i remember when I last tested it in a vm
3358[21:22:57] <pijiu> *setting up vm*
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3365[21:24:12] <bipul> drwxrwxr-x 8 lucy lucy 4096 Aug 23 00:22 /home/lucy/ Lucy has w in group permission, Now again on directory A which is inside lucy home directory
3366[21:24:16] <unborn> learning experience ? to destroy system? 0o
3367[21:24:23] <bipul> rm: cannot remove 'A/': Permission denied
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3369[21:24:34] <bipul> uid=1002(hary) gid=1002(hary) groups=1002(hary),1001(lucy)
3370[21:24:39] <bipul> Again same issue.
3371[21:24:54] <greycat> bipul: exactly WHAT command did you type to get that output? Did you type "id" or did you type "id somename"?
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3373[21:25:26] <bipul> hary@bipul:/home/lucy$ id
3374[21:25:26] <bipul> uid=1002(hary) gid=1002(hary) groups=1002(hary),1001(lucy)
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3376[21:26:14] <greycat> "rmdir A" should work if A is empty.
3377[21:26:25] <bipul> Lets try.
3378[21:26:45] <haba713> hi! i copied partition (btrfs) contents to a new (virtual) disk partition (ext4) with cp -a. then i booted vm from debian jessie live-cd, mount /dev/sda /mnt and mount --bind for sys, dev, proc and chroot /mnt. now grub-install /dev/sda fails with an error "attempting to install grub to a disk with multiple partition labels". why?
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3380[21:27:15] <haba713> mount /dev/sda => mount /dev/sda1
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3383[21:27:45] <bipul> How about when directory is full with sub directory or files?
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3388[21:28:47] <greycat> Then you have to remove the contents first. Normally this is what "rm -rf" does.
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3390[21:29:10] <pijiu> rm -rf A
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3392[21:29:37] <bipul> It was not working with recursively and forcefully option previously.
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3395[21:29:54] <bipul> let me try again.
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3398[21:30:24] <greycat> replaced-url
3399[21:30:26] <greycat> Worked for me.
3400[21:30:30] <pdbogen> Hullo, Debian friends. We maintain a debian package with Release, Packages, etc.; and we've gotten ourselves into a situation somewhere where apt-get *always* thinks the repo's package is newer even though the version is unchanged.
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3403[21:30:40] <pdbogen> Can anyone help me determine what the particular mistake we've made is?
3404[21:30:57] <katronix> hi all, what is the default debian irc client?
3405[21:31:10] <greycat> There isn't a default irc client.
3406[21:31:26] <katronix> Okay what irc client does it come with? :)
3407[21:31:31] <pijiu> katronix, no one
3408[21:31:39] <firztspawn> depends on what de you use
3409[21:31:41] <pdbogen> katronix: As greycat said, no defalut; but pidgin supports IRC if you want IM-like semantics; hexchat is nice if you want mIRC like semantics; or I use irssi, which is console.
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3412[21:32:26] <namni> Could someone maybe point in the right direction? I have Jessie on an encrypted partition with separate boot partition. I made a backup of the boot partition and installed ubuntu also on an encrypted partition. It also formatted the boot partition (I made a backup of this as well).
3413[21:32:27] <katronix> odd, a few weeks ago I was running debian and it came with one that could automatically reply to the nickserv request
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3415[21:33:11] <pijiu> katronix, any client could be configured to do whatever you want
3416[21:33:16] <namni> Now I used the debian boot backup - everything is fine. But what is the best way to manage to boot into the encrypted ubuntu?
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3418[21:34:05] <bipul> thanks it clear my doubt. greycat
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3420[21:34:20] <pijiu> namni, grub maybe?
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3422[21:35:03] <namni> pijiu Well, grub is working fine, but how should I merge those two boot partitons?
3423[21:35:07] <unborn> namni: perhaps better to ask on #ubuntu
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3425[21:36:53] <namni> unborn I respect the work of the ubuntu folks, but according to my experience if something is about deep linux knowledge, better to ask debian users... Which distro is also my starting point btw.
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3433[21:39:04] <lxsameer> hi I'm trying to run debian installer on a new laptop in UFEI mode, but after selecting install it goes to a black screen. what can i do about it ?
3434[21:39:05] <pijiu> namni, i never had to configure dualboot, but just as directions guess u have not to "merge" but somehow configure grub thing; i guess there must be some clearer explanation on some stackoverflow
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3443[21:41:37] <namni> pijiu Yes, thanks for the hints. I read about mounting the other encrypted system, chroot into it and make a grub-update, but it gets messed up because sdaX is different when it is mounted... Going to try to find a good tuto though (not much luck so far)...
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3448[21:42:15] <unborn> namni: sure.. same here.. I was using ubuntu 4 years not while a go and I left it. I mean I had similar issue in past and I had to do something via ubuntu but as it was long time ago I do not remember what Ive been typing into terminal. I aint mean it that you should go there because of ubuntu.. not at all.. what I was saying that perhaps someone there would know :)
3449[21:42:32] <unborn> perhaps I was mistaking..
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3452[21:42:52] <pijiu> lxsameer, i think your installer-drive was created not in uefi mode thats why
3453[21:43:04] <pijiu> or you are booting it not in uefi
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3455[21:43:37] <pijiu> i remember had some issues with uefi and this is how i fixed it, just to make everything match each other
3456[21:43:39] <namni> unborn Indeed, maybe someone is using encrypted multiboot there... Worth a try, will do it.
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3458[21:44:09] <lxsameer> pijiu, in the first debian menu (where you select install or advance install) it says it is ion uefi
3459[21:44:59] <wewlad> hello debs, how do I check what's the version of wine does the main repo have (if I already have configured to also use another repo and have installed wine-development from there)?
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3462[21:45:36] <`Kevin> wewlad: apt-cache polcy $packagename
3463[21:45:42] <`Kevin> wewlad: apt-cache policy $packagename *
3464[21:45:52] <wewlad> thanks `Kevin!
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3474[21:48:08] <wewlad> as far as I understand main repo has a very-very-very outdated wine version: it's 1.6.2-20 and 1.7.29-4 for wine-development. Even '-development' version is not 1.8.* branch! while there's 1.9.16 already.
3475[21:48:21] <wewlad> why does debian hate wine?
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3478[21:48:59] <missmbob> you can use jessie-backports like greycat said. that has 1.9.16
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3481[21:49:23] <wewlad> I know and I do so
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3483[21:49:45] <missmbob> so...you ranting about debian hating wine...nevermind
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3488[21:50:46] <wewlad> sorry, that was just a cry out, I just wonder why latest stable version of wine is not pushed to the main debian repo
3489[21:51:07] <pdbogen> wewlad: By "main repo" are you referring to a Stable version of Debian? If so, the answer is that stable releases very rarely update packages except to fix really really bad bugs (i.e., that break the package for everyone) or security issues.
3490[21:51:08] <greycat> !stable
3491[21:51:08] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
3492[21:51:14] <missmbob> because debian doesn't do that with *any* packages. once stable, it's frozen
3493[21:51:42] <wewlad> oh
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3495[21:51:59] <wewlad> kind of a weird approach, but I guess it should guarantee extra stability
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3498[21:52:16] <pdbogen> It's an extremely useful approach for servers and embedded systems.
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3500[21:52:40] <c-c> it is funny how the "current" approach is "we never finish this but keep on patching"
3501[21:52:43] <pdbogen> You can safely run full system "upgrades" to get bug fixes and security fixes without worrying that version 1.2 -> 1.3 of some package changed, say, the way the package is configured and breaking your system in the process.
3502[21:53:01] <wewlad> well, if developers of an end software decided to push newer versions to the stable branch - why not keep up with their decision?
3503[21:53:03] <unborn> namni: any luck?
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3506[21:53:27] <pdbogen> wewlad: Because even then they might remove features or change how the package works, which would break an installed system.
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3508[21:53:58] <pdbogen> Whereas Debian Stable tries to give you a system that, once running, will continue running but continue to be secure and have a monotonically decreasing number of bugs.
3509[21:54:01] <wewlad> well, programs do evolve, why get stuck on a version that just works?
3510[21:54:13] <wewlad> hmm
3511[21:54:17] <wewlad> well, maybe you are right
3512[21:54:20] <greycat> Because people who run servers do not want SURPRISES.
3513[21:54:33] <pdbogen> I mean, don't get me wrong; on my laptop and desktop I run Debian unstable.
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3515[21:54:48] <wewlad> people who run servers probably don't rely much on wine, don't they?
3516[21:54:57] <unborn> wewlad: well lets say stability and security
3517[21:55:03] <c-c> wewlad: the thing is, what you mention is only one "idea" about how software lifecycle works.
3518[21:55:11] <wewlad> true
3519[21:55:28] <unborn> very true, wine on server is nonsense
3520[21:55:30] <pdbogen> wewlad: Most likely no, but what about its dependencies? Maybe wine depends on libfoo v1.1, and wine v1.9 depends on 1.2.
3521[21:55:35] <c-c> An engineer might be taught to think: programs must do one thing well, and once they do, they are done.
3522[21:55:42] <pdbogen> wewlad: An dmaybe my SuperImportantService v1.0 depends on libfoo v1.1 and breaks on libfoo v1.2.
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3524[21:56:11] <pdbogen> Which is to say- the dependancy tree can be complex, so trying to freeze some parts and not others is going to make things harder.
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3528[21:56:34] <wewlad> pdbogen: I'm pretty newbie to lunix world, is 'dll hell' still a thing?
3529[21:56:35] <pdbogen> As an end-user, the way you indicate that you want newer software rather than server-like stability is to use Debian Testing or Debian Unstable.
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3531[21:56:51] <unborn> just install virtualbox with windows, much stable then wine and possibly even more secure
3532[21:57:05] <pdbogen> wewlad: Well, Linux has never had DLLs; but apt-get by and large does away with any concern about that; but it _can_ still be a problem when we talk about hypotheticals like upgrading some software but not other software.
3533[21:57:10] <wewlad> that'd be too meta, unborn
3534[21:58:11] <wewlad> pdbogen: 'dll hell' is probably a term from windoze world, but I guess the problem of dependencies is x-platform
3535[21:58:29] <pdbogen> Yes, it's a general problem.
3536[21:58:38] <pdbogen> But again, by and large apt-get automatically resolves dependencies for you.
3537[21:58:42] <unborn> wewlad: dont know what you mean but last time I've tried playonlinux or and wine was 8 years ago.. it did not worked as it should.. with virtualbox issues were gone.
3538[21:59:12] <pdbogen> unborn: VirtualBox relatively speaking will peform very poorly, have a very long startup time or consume a lot of system resources; and requires a Windows license.
3539[21:59:28] <wewlad> unborn: thing is, for it it would be windows running in virtualbox running in debian running in virtualbox running in windows…
3540[21:59:30] <pdbogen> wine works well for me for some situations, but mostly that's for "I need to use this software for one thing real quick," not "I want to use this app full time."
3541[21:59:32] <unborn> 0o what?
3542[21:59:39] <wewlad> for me*
3543[21:59:40] <pdbogen> unborn: So performance and efficiency are important.
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3546[22:00:02] <unborn> pdbogen: on my system it runs even faster then normal pc
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3548[22:00:22] <unborn> sorry - I do not believe it eats anything heavy.
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3550[22:01:00] <pdbogen> Windows is going to use a couple GiB of RAM all on its own; plus startup overhead simply in terms of time: A windows VM doesn't boot instantaneously; or you run it continuously and dedicate the RAM to it all the time.
3551[22:01:13] <unborn> wewlad: ah.. sorry.. I run it like debian - vitualbox - windows (in virtualbox)
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3553[22:02:35] <wewlad> unborn: yeah, I got it. I'm still thinking on moving from windows to some linux once, but for now I haven't reached the minimally required level of comfort with lunix.
3554[22:02:40] <unborn> pdbogen: yeah that is pretty standard... I hardly boot windows in more then 20 seconds.. I think it all depends from your hardware..
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3557[22:04:13] <wewlad> pdbogen: you can never turn off windows VM so there will be no startup overhead. Putting the VM to sleep and later restoring it - is noticeably faster then loading OS from the power off state.
3558[22:04:18] <unborn> wewlad: I see.. sorry for that than.. I did not see you run windows - virt-debian.. I understand the point now.. well. If current version of wine works fine then I would stay on that particular version coz it was tested with current version of your distro
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3566[22:05:15] <unborn> interesting.. I had no idea I can put virtualbox machine into sleep heh but that would still keep ram and cpu occupied no?
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3573[22:06:21] <pdbogen> No, it writes the RAM image to disk.
3574[22:06:32] <wewlad> what I meant is probably called not sleep, I mean you can pause your VM and it's state gets written to the disk, so it's not eating anything from RAM/CPU at all after that.
3575[22:06:35] <f-a> I would like to install this replaced-url
3576[22:06:41] <unborn> pdbogen: anyway to run windows stuff properly if I need then I would rather give out single core and 4 gigs ram
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3578[22:07:35] <wewlad> well, it depends on the task
3579[22:07:35] <greycat> f-a: testing support is in #debian-next on the OFTC network (not here)
3580[22:07:56] <unborn> I was running my dev server from headless virtualbox for about year every time I;ve booted my laptop and would not notice anything perhaps 2 or 3 seconds slower boot.
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3582[22:08:30] <f-a> oh hell I forgot, thanks greycat
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3585[22:09:29] <wewlad> headless virtualbox?
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3589[22:09:49] <unborn> wewlad: ah I see.. well I guess I will stay like usual - without sleep
3590[22:10:06] <unborn> wewlad: yeah.. running it in background
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3593[22:10:43] <wewlad> I wonder how the guest OS behaves in such a case
3594[22:11:08] <wewlad> does it still need any resources that are usually used to draw GUI?
3595[22:11:26] <unborn> basically command which would start virtualbox machine with installed os on background.. nothing on desktop (ssh or web interface of the server)
3596[22:11:27] <wewlad> do you see a debugger's log or something?
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3601[22:12:27] <unborn> wewlad: nothing..until you not start virtualbox gui or anything else.. yeah it will ;eat; your cpu and ram as you assigned to the virtual machine and that is all.
3602[22:12:30] <n-iCe> does lxde run faster than xfce?
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3606[22:13:23] <wewlad> I also wonder can one play AAA games in virtualboxed windows?
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3610[22:13:34] <unborn> wewlad: ah
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3612[22:13:51] <unborn> for games - I would not use virtualbox not for aaa class
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3614[22:14:13] <wewlad> what would you use then?
3615[22:14:20] <nkuttler> native linux games
3616[22:14:28] <unborn> for that you would go for vmware - but that is lot slower and eats much more resources.
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3619[22:14:47] <wewlad> there are no native linux games of AAA tier…
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3623[22:15:22] <wewlad> unborn: does vmware have better virtualization than virtualbox?
3624[22:15:29] <unborn> wewlad: sorry man native linux games (when playing with my miss, we just play one - Open Arena) and she have playstation. but I am too old for games.. sorry
3625[22:15:52] <unborn> wewlad: native support for 3d graphics
3626[22:16:05] <wewlad> there is none
3627[22:16:15] <unborn> but its costly and resources hungry otherwhise none
3628[22:16:15] <wewlad> if we are talking about AAA tier
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3630[22:16:57] <wewlad> unborn: did you mean that vmware provides native support for 3d graphics?
3631[22:17:44] <wewlad> in windows vbox I see there's even a checkbox to use 3d acceleration, as well as a checkbox to use 2d video acceleration…
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3634[22:17:47] <unborn> wewlad: I mean for games its better yeah go for it...its expensive, you will need better hardware and its more complicated to setup, I mean more complex
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3637[22:18:43] <wewlad> oh, got it, thanks, pal
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3645[22:20:19] <unborn> wewlad: I think you can test vmware too, if I remember they do trial, perhaps not any more.. I have no idea..but you can defo ask them directly. I know for the fact in my old job, one of sys was playing hardcore games on linux via vmware on windows coz virtuabox simply did not worked.. but if you want to use aplications like photoshop or ia and other for work, sure virtualbox will work just fine
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3650[22:21:38] <wewlad> unborn: for now I still haven't switched my main OS from windows, so I can't really test.
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3654[22:21:52] <unborn> on wine - it could work too, but as I said I aint used that 'thing' even properly and last time I tried to get it working was 7 or 8 years ago. That is why I suggested virtualisation. But if you run windows and debian in virtual, just use native windows os for your windows needs no?
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3656[22:22:44] <unborn> wewlad: you can test it on mac or even on windows
3657[22:22:50] <unborn> I think
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3662[22:24:59] <rly> wewlad: if you want native performance configure a hypervisor like xen.
3663[22:25:01] <wewlad> unborn: I'm using windows 7 and it's being destroyed by microsoft to the point I had to turn off winupdate because it was causing more harm than good. Updating to newer windows is not really a good option for me, because newer windows have some unacceptable issues as well. So I'm stuck with an un-updateable OS that gets outdated more and more as time goes.
3664[22:25:22] <rly> wewlad: that does require a lot of technical skill and patience.
3665[22:25:45] <rly> wewlad: there are people who run MacOSX, Windows, and whatever open-source system on one system.
3666[22:25:50] <unborn> wewlad: well that windows update is no longer out for free.. or is it still?
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3670[22:26:14] <wewlad> unborn: I don't know, I always was a pirate, yarr :(
3671[22:26:25] <unborn> wewlad: oh
3672[22:26:48] <Rebelnet> word
3673[22:27:23] <wewlad> generally, winupdate works, but I had to shut it off because they started pushing telemetry gatherers (read spyware) more and more aggressively
3674[22:27:23] <Rebelnet> Anyone would recommend a debian ready laptop?
3675[22:27:30] <unborn> I have master key for windows 7 pro so I can install it as many times I want but - didnt your pc came with windows sticker on bottom of the pc?
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3677[22:28:03] <unborn> you can use that win key and isntall same version of windows legally.. man never do pirated things, its bad
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3679[22:28:17] <wewlad> also, the quality of their software is so poor that winupdate service could just hang eating 100% of 1 of your logical CPUs for indefinite time. That's not acceptable.
3680[22:28:37] <unborn> Rebelnet: im on jessie gnome 64bit, netinstall worked as dream
3681[22:28:45] <unborn> I mean works like a dream
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3683[22:28:54] <wewlad> I can't concur.
3684[22:29:12] <Rebelnet> did you netinstall from a usb flash drive
3685[22:29:21] <Rebelnet> its 300 MBs right?
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3687[22:29:39] <unborn> wewlad: that could be your pirated thing inside of the os.. you never know what nasty stuff you can have there unless you not cracked the code by your self.
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3690[22:30:19] <unborn> Rebelnet: something like that.. Ive done it via cd (external one as I use my internal dvd room for second hdd)
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3693[22:30:38] <wewlad> unborn: no, I'm tech savvy in windoze world - that happens for many people. Also, the crack works so that the pirated windoze is indistinguishable from a legal one.
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3698[22:31:36] <unborn> wewlad: still means you dont know what was cracked and how it was cracked plus what was added on top of it.
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3700[22:32:00] <wewlad> to some point
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3702[22:32:08] <Rebelnet> if i were to install the internet installation from a usb flash drive. how would i do it? do i need to hit F3 button upon the BIOS?
3703[22:32:15] <unborn> wewlad: no issues on windows 7 here (bot on physical and virtual machine) and the idiotic windows 10 update is gone :)
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3710[22:33:27] <unborn> Rebelnet: you will need to create first bootable usb with debian image and then depends from your pc but usually its esc, or f2 but could be f10 or f11 or f12
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3712[22:33:44] <wewlad> it doesn't happen for all, it also depends on a lot of stuff, especially uptime: my machine's uptime usually reaches months.
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3720[22:35:40] <minimalism> How do you properly eval/source a .dircolors file on Debian? The way I usually do it in my .zshrc isn't working: eval $(dircolors -b $HOME/.dircolors)
3721[22:36:11] <wewlad> I don't have such file :(
3722[22:36:32] <greycat> I don't either. If you run "dircolors -b $HOME/.dircolors" and read the output, does it look like well-formed shell commands?
3723[22:36:34] <unborn> wewlad: months on windows? uhm, I would suggest at least daily reboot - when I was on windows xp before many years back it was unusable after week uptime meh perhaps that was changed on windows 7 but I only boot it up, do my things on adobe cs5 and then just shoot it down..
3724[22:36:42] <Rebelnet> i'm a little confuse how to install debian. i saw the torrent files. its like 3 different DVDs?
3725[22:36:59] <greycat> Rebelnet: all you need is one netinst image, smaller than a CD, as long as you have a network connection while installing.
3726[22:37:03] <unborn> Rebelnet: netinstall
3727[22:37:04] <rly> Rebelnet: that's only useful if you are not well connected.
3728[22:37:15] <Rebelnet> oh
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3730[22:37:22] <Rebelnet> how many Mbs or gigs is that?
3731[22:37:29] <unborn> 280mb?
3732[22:37:36] <rly> Rebelnet: if you have more than 5mbit, definitely do the netinstall.
3733[22:37:38] <unborn> I guess
3734[22:37:41] <Rebelnet> my main internet is community wifi
3735[22:37:49] <pstn> Can somebody tell me whether restarting logind has any negative effects on active nfs exports?
3736[22:37:51] <wewlad> unborn: win7 used to be that stable that it could run for months just fine. Even winupdates' nagscreen could be pretty safely ignored/disabled.
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3740[22:38:02] <Rebelnet> thanks
3741[22:38:07] <unborn> Rebelnet: 32bit or 64bit?
3742[22:38:18] <Rebelnet> 64bit
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3745[22:38:27] <unborn> hold on
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3747[22:38:49] <unborn> Rebelnet: do you have access to ethernet ? I mean cable connection ?
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3749[22:39:24] <Rebelnet> no i don't
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3753[22:40:32] <Rebelnet> i'm thinking of getting the Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition, that has Ubuntu 14.04 LTS preinstalled, but i'm thinking of wiping it and install Debian Jessie on it.
3754[22:40:33] <unborn> Rebelnet: I see.. replaced-url
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3756[22:40:48] <wewlad> doesn't 'adduser <user> sudo' add the user <user> to sudoers group?
3757[22:40:53] <greycat> pstn: what is "logind"?
3758[22:41:09] <Rebelnet> amd64? wouldn't i need i386?
3759[22:41:13] <Rebelnet> for intel
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3762[22:41:35] <unborn> that should have all wifi drivers
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3765[22:42:05] <greycat> The only logind I see is systemd-logind and I do not believe that has anything to do with NFS.
3766[22:42:20] <Rebelnet> ohh
3767[22:42:23] <unborn> i386 is 32bit which would only see more ram.. like pea.. if you have 64bit cpu, I would go with 64 bit system :)
3768[22:42:41] <daio> pae
3769[22:42:43] <wewlad> man says it does so and the message "adding user '<user>' to group 'sudo'" probably means the same, but when I 'sudo apt-get update' and then enter my user's password - I'm getting a message that <user> is not in the sudoers file and that this incident will be reported. Why so?
3770[22:42:43] <Rebelnet> ohhh
3771[22:42:45] <daio> but PAE is evil
3772[22:42:47] <unborn> Rebelnet: I have dell too
3773[22:42:53] <Rebelnet> which dell?
3774[22:42:56] <daio> and should be avoided at all costs
3775[22:42:59] <unborn> sorry pae not pea :)
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3777[22:43:11] <unborn> Rebelnet: one second
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3779[22:43:20] <unborn> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.5 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4200U CPU @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.30GHz ** RAM: Physical: 11.7GiB, 84.1% free ** Disk: Total: 427.8GiB, 24.0% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI1: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I218-LM **
3780[22:43:20] <unborn> Uptime: 1h 25m 12s **
3781[22:43:26] <rly> daio: it works, doesn't it?
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3783[22:43:34] <daio> rly, only for drivers that are written for it
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3785[22:43:45] <daio> and devices capable of understanding the extended addresses
3786[22:43:49] <rly> daio: and when did kernel drivers allocate so much memory?
3787[22:43:50] <daio> it also adds overhead
3788[22:43:54] <daio> therefor saturating memory bandwidth
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3790[22:44:04] <Rebelnet> is that the same Dell XPS 13?
3791[22:44:13] <unborn> Rebelnet: crap It did not say model.. its older laptop latitude 5440
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3793[22:44:19] <Rebelnet> ohhh ic
3794[22:44:30] <unborn> Rebelnet: no its not but if ubuntu works debian should do too
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3798[22:45:17] <wewlad> 'sudo usermod -a -G sudo myuser' also didn't give positive results
3799[22:45:18] <Rebelnet> I have personally never installed Debian before. I have installed Ubuntu many times before. and also year 2001 Red hat and Suse Professional. but I couldn't get the Red Hat and Suse drivers internet to work
3800[22:45:19] <unborn> Rebelnet: netinstall would be fastest over cable connection
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3807[22:46:30] <unborn> replaced-url
3808[22:46:50] <Rebelnet> how many mbs or gigs is it?
3809[22:47:28] <unborn> wewlad: pretty stable on my end however I do not use it so often.. perhaps once in 3 months?
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3811[22:47:37] <missmbob> Rebelnet: you could...you know...open up the dir and see for yourself how big it is...
3812[22:47:38] <greycat> !netinst
3813[22:47:38] <dpkg> i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
3814[22:47:43] <greycat> clicky clicky
3815[22:47:54] <unborn> Rebelnet: replaced-url
3816[22:47:56] <wewlad> weird
3817[22:47:58] <unborn> 266M
3818[22:48:01] <greycat> replaced-url
3819[22:48:12] <wewlad> I had to manually modify '/etc/sudoers' to make myself sudoer.
3820[22:48:12] <ScottE> wewlad: did you log out and back in again to pick up the group change?
3821[22:48:16] <Rebelnet> 266mb
3822[22:48:22] <wewlad> ScottE: ah, damn it
3823[22:48:25] <greycat> wget --spider -S says it's ... crap, that's a .torrent
3824[22:48:31] <wewlad> ScottE: no, wait, hold on
3825[22:48:35] <greycat> replaced-url
3826[22:48:46] <greycat> wget --spider -S says it's 247 MB
3827[22:48:54] <wewlad> ScottE: I su'ed first to run those commands, then I exit'ed, so I guess I did.
3828[22:49:07] <greycat> (Now why did we have to do that FOR you?)
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3833[22:49:50] <unborn> greycat: (good question)
3834[22:49:58] <KingKezz> Hey world
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3837[22:50:19] <Rebelnet> so i would download that netinstall, and dd command it on a usb flash drive, and load it upon BIOS?
3838[22:50:46] <wewlad> Rebelnet: yup
3839[22:50:48] <crash_> yeah
3840[22:50:56] <Rebelnet> thats how i used to do it on ubuntu
3841[22:51:11] <wewlad> that's how you do it with any distro
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3845[22:52:32] <Rebelnet> so, i kind of dumbed down to a chromebook for many years. actually Google gave me the prototype chromebook. so i was stuck onto it. i kind of forgot, how to look up the sda
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3849[22:53:01] <greycat> dmesg | tail
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3852[22:53:53] <Rebelnet> oh, i think i used....
3853[22:53:54] <Rebelnet> lsusb
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3856[22:54:14] <wewlad> greycat: why does it work? how does it know the number of lines to show?
3857[22:54:35] <greycat> man tail
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3860[22:54:55] <wewlad> I do now and I don't see any details about that.
3861[22:55:06] <wewlad> ah, damn it
3862[22:55:11] <wewlad> default lines is 10
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3864[22:55:37] <wewlad> sorry, sometimes I fail at reading.
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3867[22:56:18] <Rebelnet> just curious, why do you guys use Debian and not others like Mint and Ubuntu?
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3869[22:56:45] <unborn> Rebelnet: dont you want the best?
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3872[22:57:11] <Rebelnet> of course
3873[22:57:12] <`Kevin> Ubuntu heh :P
3874[22:57:23] <missmbob> !tell Rebelnet -about why debian
3875[22:57:24] <Strykar> Rebelnet, most ppl using debian are in it for the stability, not the latest and the greatest
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3877[22:57:29] <wewlad> Rebelnet: cause they are too mainstream and I'm a deviant.
3878[22:57:42] <Strykar> I almost read that as devuan *snicker*
3879[22:57:57] <unborn> Rebelnet: or better ask your self why you want to go out from ubuntu? :)
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3882[22:58:15] <wewlad> the answer is usually 'curiosity'
3883[22:58:18] <NewDebianUser> Hello
3884[22:58:25] <wewlad> especially when you migrate from lunix to lunix
3885[22:58:29] <NewDebianUser> I'm a new Debian user.
3886[22:58:30] <Rebelnet> Well, I was watching Mr. Robot. They use Debian
3887[22:58:44] <Rebelnet> the show kind of influnced me
3888[22:58:46] <unborn> :D
3889[22:58:50] * `Kevin blinks
3890[22:58:57] <Strykar> always pick a distro off tv, you can never go wrong
3891[22:58:59] <NewDebianUser> But I have no wifi, says I need something called iwlwifi
3892[22:58:59] <wewlad> lame show and an even lamer reasoning.
3893[22:59:09] <unborn> Rebelnet: that is great series..
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3895[22:59:14] <AimHere> Clearly SPI's product placement dollars were put to good use
3896[22:59:15] <greycat> Not a lame show, and they used Kali Linux a couple weeks ago.
3897[22:59:34] <Strykar> greycat, I heard S2 isn
3898[22:59:37] <Strykar> isn't
3899[23:00:26] <Rebelnet> Ubuntu looks like a noobie, kid friendly distro. and it is trying to become like Apple. Trying to merge all their OS into all different plantforms. like smartphones, laptops, tablets
3900[23:00:29] <axc1298> NewDebianUser: you need to run sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
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3902[23:00:42] <wewlad> Rebelnet: that's a good thing.
3903[23:00:48] <axc1298> while connected to the internet.
3904[23:01:01] <axc1298> or download it from another computer using sudo apt-get download firmware-iwlwifi
3905[23:01:07] <NewDebianUser> axc1298: yeah, but I think my sources.list are incomplete, since I cannot even install irssi
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3907[23:01:20] <axc1298> NewDebianUser: paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net
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3911[23:01:37] <wewlad> homogenous ecosystem is better than fragmented system like android is.
3912[23:01:41] <unborn> Rebelnet: i was on debian 5, gentoo, pclinuxos, solusos, ubuntu 6 and from 12 to 14, chanchbang and finally I landed on debian (on desktops).. never looked back..have everything stable without single issues.. on servers I run debian past 7 years and cannot say anything bad only top things.. so that is my why. trust and stability
3913[23:02:11] <NewDebianUser> I just generated these axc1298 replaced-url
3914[23:02:17] <wewlad> stability is the choice of businessmen and old farts :D
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3918[23:02:39] <wewlad> (no offense implied)
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3922[23:03:05] <Rebelnet> Ubuntu was cool back than. before Unity
3923[23:03:36] <visualshock> I just installed debian 8 on an old laptop, and I can't find my wireless network. I do find others, but not mine. Suggestions?
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3925[23:03:39] <axc1298> NewDebianUser: did you run sudo apt-get update? does it give any errors?
3926[23:04:01] <unborn> NewDebianUser: hey chap
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3928[23:04:15] <NewDebianUser> unborn: hi
3929[23:04:21] <unborn> NewDebianUser: you said iwlwifi?
3930[23:04:21] <NewDebianUser> axc1298: after added those, is working.
3931[23:04:28] <NewDebianUser> unborn: yeah, maked it work :D
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3933[23:04:36] <NewDebianUser> First time in Debian here
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3935[23:05:11] <unborn> NewDebianUser: download this to your desktop replaced-url
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3939[23:05:49] <unborn> NewDebianUser: or right mouse button click and select install with gdebi
3940[23:06:00] <wewlad> why not add a proper repo for that package?
3941[23:06:17] <axc1298> he already has the proper repo. he said he fixed the issue
3942[23:06:32] <wewlad> unborn: will it get updates if it is installed from a .deb file?
3943[23:06:45] <unborn> wewlad: op asked something else and clearly its easier then edit repos (for op)
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3945[23:06:57] <TomTomTo1> wewlad: nope
3946[23:07:06] <wewlad> easier, but less correct
3947[23:07:10] <wewlad> imo
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3949[23:08:20] <wewlad> how complex is it to add a line to the '/etc/apt/sources.list' file?
3950[23:08:30] <unborn> wewlad: he wanted make it wifi worked and this is easiest way to get him going..
3951[23:08:48] <wewlad> alright
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3953[23:09:05] <c-c> wewlad: its not complex at all
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3955[23:09:18] <c-c> wewlad: you can also use synaptic to help you to it
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3957[23:09:33] <unborn> wewlad: not adding a line.. its adding to few lines.. then user would have to reload and install package.. he can do that a bit later perhaps he dont want have *free repos at all.. I dont know, he did not asked for it
3958[23:09:38] <wewlad> nah, screw extra software, bare minimum is the best choice :)
3959[23:09:45] <unborn> - if I was wrong then sorry meh
3960[23:10:17] <wewlad> it's just that he'll miss updates if he installs from the *.deb file
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3962[23:10:58] <wewlad> though, if he came to debian - he better get used to not getting fresh software when old versions work ;)
3963[23:11:31] <c-c> unless using debian testing
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3965[23:11:45] <Strykar> yea, always a good idea to push a new user to -testing
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3967[23:11:53] <unborn> yeah.. drivers are usually changed with newer version of os aka 7 - 8 etc.. but perhaps not
3968[23:11:55] <c-c> you *can* live on the bleeding edge with debian if you want to
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3970[23:12:36] <Rebelnet> oh, So ubuntu has all the default ports closed. so its supposedly secure. Is debian like that? do i need to install some firewall software or configure the iptables?
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3972[23:13:04] <c-c> Rebelnet: by default, I think iptables is included
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3974[23:13:26] <missmbob> Rebelnet: that's a common misunderstanding. a port is only opened if you run something that uses it. nothing's using it, it's closed. you don't need a firewall for that.
3975[23:13:36] <axc1298> anyone know why i might have suddenly lost the ability to adjust keyboard backlight in debian? it always worked using the keyboard brightness physical buttons, but just stopped, maybe after a point release
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3977[23:13:53] <Rebelnet> ah
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3979[23:13:57] <c-c> Rebelnet: The default Debian installation comes with the program iptables(8), configured to allow all traffic
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3984[23:15:04] <c-c> Rebelnet: also, maybe you wanted to look into programs ufw and gufw
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3986[23:15:26] <Rebelnet> I did play around with ufw. i enabled it, but it blocked everything, it seems like its a learning curvy
3987[23:15:32] <axc1298> Rebelnet: you want to run this command: sudo ufw enable default
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3989[23:15:48] <axc1298> this blocks incoming and allows outgoing
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3992[23:16:21] <c-c> Rebelnet: ufw is easy, but do your homework with it
3993[23:16:41] <Rebelnet> ah, i did used gufw, i just enable it and thats it.
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3998[23:18:03] <wewlad> is there a way to use tar so that I don't need to specify -z, -j, -J or other keys that are used to define the archive type? can't tar just guess from the file's name?
3999[23:18:10] <wewlad> (when possible)
4000[23:18:18] <Rebelnet> in the past when i was running Windows 98 with mIRC, I got an attack. i believe it might be a DDOS attack. It had 50 or so PMs, and it made a beeping sound. my computer desktop was broken. it wouldn't work anymore
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4006[23:19:12] <DammitJim> is there a particular way to run a python script as a service?
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4008[23:19:26] <DammitJim> I've been reading that this is mostly done with a cron job?
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4010[23:20:07] <c-c> DammitJim: a service has a certain runlevel afaics
4011[23:20:14] <c-c> DammitJim: $ man service
4012[23:20:35] <wewlad> DammitJim: or google. I've found replaced-url
4013[23:20:41] <DammitJim> I've done java service wrappers in the past
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4015[23:20:46] <DammitJim> but I don't know about python
4016[23:20:54] <c-c> hm, that man might not be the best starting point...
4017[23:20:57] <Rebelnet> anyone knows about this kind of attack?
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4019[23:21:14] <wewlad> Rebelnet: yes
4020[23:21:21] <Rebelnet> whats it called?
4021[23:21:38] <wewlad> not enough data
4022[23:21:43] <wewlad> to get the right answer
4023[23:21:48] <jhutchins> Rebelnet: Linux has a different networking model than Windows. Ports aren't arbitrarily open, you need to install a software package and configure it to listen to a port and set it up to run.
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4025[23:22:14] <Rebelnet> hmm
4026[23:22:14] <jhutchins> Rebelnet: A reasonably attentive user can see what's running at all times, and can see what ports have connections.
4027[23:22:22] <DammitJim> I don't understand why some people think that a service means that if it dies, it will auto-recover LOL
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4029[23:23:12] <missmbob> DammitJim: because windows does that. default retry 3x. change to infinite if you want
4030[23:23:14] <jhutchins> Running as a service is largely a Windows concept.
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4032[23:23:20] <Rebelnet> wewlad, is there a website i would read about it?
4033[23:23:25] <wewlad> DammitJim: because windows is very popular and in windows they get restarted.
4034[23:23:29] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Are you thinking of running as a daemon with root privileges?
4035[23:23:35] <wewlad> Rebelnet: I don't know, ask google.
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4037[23:23:50] <Rebelnet> wewlad, i'm not sure what to ask it
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4040[23:24:06] <wewlad> Rebelnet: mirc attack win98
4041[23:24:07] <DammitJim> jhutchins, as a daemon... doesn't have to have root
4042[23:24:14] <DammitJim> I'm actually just trying to help a developer
4043[23:24:15] <wewlad> Rebelnet: why do you need that?
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4045[23:24:51] <wewlad> for the sake of knowing? well, that fact would be useless, no one uses win98 nowadays, the breach could be anywhere.
4046[23:24:55] <Rebelnet> hmm, i guess it was a nuke or an exploit on a mIRC script
4047[23:25:07] <DammitJim> jhutchins, have you done such a crazy thing?
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4049[23:25:17] <DammitJim> damn windows... piece of crap bandaiding everything
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4051[23:25:22] <Rebelnet> well, the computer i had, wouldn't work anymore. it was scary
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4054[23:26:30] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Actually, I've configured a program to run as a Windows program to run as a service, but I don't remember doing it in Linux.
4055[23:26:32] <wewlad> Rebelnet: okay. Are you experiencing a panic attack from remembering something from the distant past?
4056[23:26:33] <Rebelnet> i always think it might happen on a linux machine
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4058[23:27:08] <DammitJim> ok, let's not talk about that jhutchins
4059[23:27:09] <DammitJim> lol
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4063[23:27:25] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Basically, you have to background it either with bash or it's on mechanism, the write an init script or systemd service to start it as root.
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4066[23:28:06] <jhutchins> DammitJim: I think one of the features of systemd is that it can detect a dead service and re-launch it.
4067[23:28:17] <wewlad> Rebelnet: it might, but the chances are pretty low.
4068[23:28:19] <DammitJim> oh gosh
4069[23:28:26] <DammitJim> so, there is an option to re-vive it?
4070[23:28:33] <jhutchins> ... and there's that term, service, being used now by systemd, so people will confuse the process with Windows even more.
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4073[23:28:51] <DammitJim> ugh
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4075[23:29:13] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Well, re-run the service startup script. Depends on why it failed of course, but Java at least does tend to die arbitrarily.
4076[23:29:17] <Rebelnet> can a netbook running debian deviant survive a 500 computer DDOS attack?
4077[23:29:36] <wewlad> it can
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4079[23:29:57] <jhutchins> Rebelnet: Inadequate data. Depends on attack, on network, on netbook specs, firewall configuration, system configuration.
4080[23:30:14] <jhutchins> I'm headed home, l8r.
4081[23:30:27] <wewlad> it also can die from just 1. Or from an exploit.
4082[23:30:35] <Rebelnet> hmm
4083[23:30:59] <DammitJim> so confusing about the user that should run this
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4085[23:31:07] <DammitJim> I had the dev place the python script on /usr/local/bin
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4087[23:31:39] <pingfloyd> DammitJim: that's fine
4088[23:32:02] <DammitJim> actually
4089[23:32:10] <DammitJim> he placed them on /usr/local/<company_name>
4090[23:32:14] <Rebelnet> i guess it is secure. it would take a genius to find some kernel panic exploits
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4095[23:32:45] <wewlad> ~yeah
4096[23:32:45] <apt> replaced-url
4097[23:32:49] <wewlad> woah
4098[23:32:51] <wewlad> what's that
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4100[23:33:09] <wewlad> jeezus, that scared my cat to shit!
4101[23:33:12] <DammitJim> alright, I have to run
4102[23:33:13] <DammitJim> thanks!
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4105[23:35:46] <wewlad> can I download files from github repos using wget?
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4112[23:37:53] <pingfloyd> wewlad: probably, but it is easier to use git for that
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4115[23:38:20] <wewlad> well then, it's time to give another try to learn git…
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4117[23:38:47] <pingfloyd> wewlad: on the github there should be a git link you can do: git pull <uri>
4118[23:38:56] <wewlad> yeah, there is
4119[23:39:01] <wewlad> I just didn't want to use git
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4121[23:39:11] <pingfloyd> correction: git clone
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4123[23:39:23] <pingfloyd> first time you pull it is git clone, then you would use git pull to update
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4125[23:39:51] <pingfloyd> just those two commands cover what wget would
4126[23:40:12] <pingfloyd> then it's icing on the cake from there
4127[23:40:29] <wewlad> nah, then the fun just begins…
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4132[23:42:27] <pingfloyd> to get the uri for git it's the button "clone or download" on github
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4136[23:43:10] <wewlad> I did clone the repo, thanks, now I'm stuck on the next step from the wine manual about patching, and guys on #winehq keep silent…
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4140[23:43:48] <wewlad> replaced-url
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4143[23:44:21] <wewlad> do I need to specify anything instead of 'VERSION'?
4144[23:44:27] <pingfloyd> I think that means replace the last arg with where you have the wine source tree
4145[23:44:29] <wewlad> wine version like 1.9.16?
4146[23:44:49] <Rebelnet> so i have a chromebook, i installed Ubuntu. but when i push CRTL+ALT+back arrow (which is F1 in the keyboard) it only stayed onto ubuntu screen for about 5 seconds but it went back to Chrome OS, i guess its a bug or not compatible. would debian work better?
4147[23:45:09] <wewlad> pingfloyd: doesn't look so: they say 'DISTRO can be one of the following values: debian-wheezy-development, debian-wheezy-staging, …'
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4149[23:45:19] <wewlad> staging? the hell is that?
4150[23:45:27] <pingfloyd> wewlad: the wine-VERSION_source_dir probably means the directory where you have the wine source at
4151[23:45:34] <wewlad> wheezy/jizzy? wut? I have debian 8.5
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4153[23:45:50] <pingfloyd> 8.5 is jessie
4154[23:45:58] <wewlad> staging?
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4157[23:46:12] <awal1> Any alternative for 'popbugs' (which doesn't require popularity-contest)?
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4159[23:46:20] <pingfloyd> I don't know what they expect for DISTRO
4160[23:46:20] <Rebelnet> i'm not sure how to install it on a chromebook running ARM processors
4161[23:46:20] <wewlad> there's no -release or -stable option, so I'm confused.
4162[23:46:47] <pingfloyd> wewlad: where did you read those instructions from?
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4164[23:46:59] <wewlad> replaced-url
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4166[23:47:14] <wewlad> I mean I'm using a release version of debian distro
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4168[23:47:27] <wewlad> and their list doesn't have neither -release, nor -stable
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4171[23:48:11] <wewlad> there's only -staging and -development. I guess if I'd use -development - I'd know, but -staging is a catchy word, I don't get it.
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4178[23:49:56] <Rebelnet> replaced-url
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4180[23:50:13] <Rebelnet> is there an easier way to install debian on a chromebook?
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4184[23:51:25] <wewlad> Don't look for easier ways
4185[23:51:40] <awal1> what is 'debbugs' pkg exactly if any one uses it? description isn't clean/exhaustive
4186[23:51:51] <awal1> clear ^
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4189[23:51:57] <wewlad> if something's on debian.wiki and the material is pretty fresh - just follow the instructions
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4192[23:52:52] <pingfloyd> wewlad: yeah, I'm not sure what they mean by development and staging there
4193[23:53:03] <n111cky> does debian still have plans to eventually support ubuntu-style ppa's via something like apt-add-repository?
4194[23:53:21] <Rebelnet> egh, i compiled by source before. i hated it. i like stuff that just is precompiled or just double click on it and it just installs
4195[23:53:40] <wewlad> Rebelnet: stay on ubuntu then.
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4197[23:53:56] <awal1> n111cky, I dont think such thing will happen in debian
4198[23:53:58] <pingfloyd> wewlad: actually I think I get it now
4199[23:53:58] <Rebelnet> is it that different?
4200[23:54:10] <pingfloyd> wewlad: look at line 188 onward replaced-url
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4203[23:54:49] <wewlad> pingfloyd: ohwow, why couldn't they list -stable?
4204[23:54:55] <pingfloyd> wewlad: I think the stable, development, and staging refers to build options for compiling wine itself
4205[23:55:17] <wewlad> hmm
4206[23:55:34] <pingfloyd> look at line 41 to 79
4207[23:55:42] <wewlad> pingfloyd: doesn't look so, take a look at lines 224-241
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4209[23:56:19] <wewlad> or maybe you are right
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4211[23:56:49] <n111cky> awal1: only ask because replaced-url
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4213[23:56:52] <c-c> n111cky: debian already has that
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4216[23:57:07] <pingfloyd> wewlad: so it depends which version of wine you want
4217[23:57:17] <c-c> You can *already* add *any* software repository as a source for *your* debian system.
4218[23:57:19] <pingfloyd> which version of wine you want to build
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4220[23:57:24] <Amirr> hi
4221[23:57:41] <n111cky> c-c: I know you can get them to work through sources.list.d and so on but see my link, he was pushing for proper ppa support through the same ubuntu interfaces
4222[23:57:48] <pingfloyd> wewlad: I would just go with debian-jessie-stable to start off with
4223[23:57:58] <c-c> n111cky: I don't understand what you are saying there
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4226[23:58:32] <n111cky> c-c: "I will push for implementation of "PPA" archives, and modernising our build and infrastructure system" -- current Debian project lead, 2015.
4227[23:58:33] <pingfloyd> wewlad: if you find out you need a newer version of wine, then you could always rebuild with *-development version
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4229[23:58:45] <c-c> n111cky: but regardless, anyone can make a repository for a debian release, and anyone can add it as a source to their debian install.
4230[23:58:58] <n111cky> er, no longer current lead i guess
4231[23:59:20] <c-c> well, I don't see whats so special about "PPA"
4232[23:59:22] <wewlad> pingfloyd: I need wine-development 1.9.16
4233[23:59:24] <n111cky> c-c: that's so obviously not what I'm talking about,.
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4236[23:59:46] <missmbob> n111cky: you know debian has add-apt-repository, right? it's in software-properties-common package
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