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27 [00:09:21] <scwizard> I'm trying to pin a particular
repo higher than normal, but it doesn't seem to be working
28 [00:09:35] <scwizard> I'm doing: Package: * Pin: origin
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74 [00:42:38] <tehnull> has anyone figured out how to actually
disable gsync with nvidia proprietary drivers?
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78 [00:46:34] <tehnull> I've tried nvidia-settings -a
AllowGSYNC=0 and nvidia-settings -q AllowGSYNC returns 0 so it
should be disabled however it isn't
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80 [00:47:47] <mi11k1> tehnull, you need to put the screen
81 [00:48:03] <tehnull> english please
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83 [00:48:13] <trysten> they put us up the screen!
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85 [00:48:34] <trysten> main screen turn on
86 [00:48:49] <tehnull> put it on main screen
87 [00:49:05] <mi11k1> Attribute 'AllowGSYNC'
(termina:1.0): 1.
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89 [00:49:19] <mi11k1> xdisplay
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93 [00:50:39] <tehnull> bash: wut: command not found
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158 [01:34:04] <Deihmos> what do you think is the best looking
desktop enviroment?
159 [01:34:13] <Deihmos> they all look a bit ugly to me
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162 [01:34:49] <abrotman> which have you tried?
163 [01:35:26] <Deihmos> gnome kde and xfce i think was the name
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165 [01:36:13] <abrotman> and you didn't try to customize
them? What didn't you like?
166 [01:36:30] <Deihmos> maybe i am just too used to windows
167 [01:36:49] <abrotman> you could try e17, though I
haven't seen pictures of it in ages
168 [01:36:55] <abrotman> enlightenment
169 [01:37:10] <abrotman> There are many desktops/WMs out there
170 [01:37:31] <SerajewelKS> gnome3 and unity are both supposed
to look nice but they're also fairly anti-user so i avoid them
171 [01:37:47] <SerajewelKS> but most desktops can be customized
172 [01:38:00] <SerajewelKS> pick one that works the way you
want, then try to make it look nice
173 [01:38:13] <SerajewelKS> you don't use a computer so you
can be pleased with how it looks
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175 [01:39:27] <abrotman> Deihmos: you might also want to look at
Cinnamon
176 [01:40:02] <Old_Dog> I'm running a small desktop on a
live usb of Debian 9.7 Got a phone call. came back and the
screensaver has me locked out. I can reboot, of course, but I'm
curious. What would the password be on a Live USB?
177 [01:42:07] <SerajewelKS> the documentation should tell you
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179 [01:43:09] <Old_Dog> what documentation?
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182 [01:43:37] <SerajewelKS> hmm. it doesn't seem to be in
the FAQ. odd. anyway, i think the password is "live"
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184 [01:44:13] <Old_Dog> and it IS!
185 [01:44:34] <Old_Dog> live worked. thank you, and now I know.
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187 [01:44:39] <SerajewelKS> np
188 [01:44:53] <SerajewelKS> i was going to harp about RTFM for a
minute but i can't even find it in the docs
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190 [01:45:22] <SerajewelKS> but if you google "debian live
password" the entire first page is the answer :)
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195 [01:47:13] <Old_Dog> If I didn't have another computer
on the Internet, that would be hard to do. But of course I do, and
that's what I should have done, instead of bothering you, but
it was just so handy to ask here. Sorry. But thanks again.
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197 [01:47:49] <SerajewelKS> no worries
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206 [01:54:08] <angry_route> Hi! I'm having a lot of trouble
with port forwarding and iptables, isn't this rule enough?
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp -i $WAN --dport 4242 -j
DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.1:22. Thanks for any help!!
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208 [01:54:43] <angry_route> my syslog says it's dropping
the packet over INPUT it seems
209 [01:56:48] <mutante> angry_route: if you are not getting
responses here, try ##networking
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211 [01:57:04] <angry_route> thanks!!!
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411 [05:12:06] <fling> How to figure out why is journald using
lots of ram?
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447 [05:54:20] <trevdev> o/
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459 [06:05:24] <EdePopede> never noticed before that the install
process declared the swap partition here as "none swap
sw", just like
replaced-url
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462 [06:08:22] <mobile_c> can debian be used in android without
root?
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465 [06:12:18] <trevdev> @mobile_c All manners of Linux on an
Android devices might need root or in the very least, a crack of the
bootloader
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467 [06:13:03] <trevdev> Whoa, I accidentally did a thing
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474 [06:20:11] <mobile_c> ok
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486 [06:40:17] <perseiver> Hello, I have installed debian 9
graphical.. and I have problem in switching between 3 opened
application. Suppose, I have opened 2 terminals, 1 text editor and 1
browser. Is there any shortcut to access them quickly. In other
distros like ubuntu (for example), all opened application is on left
panel. The similar I find on Window also. But I can't find
similar panel in Debian
487 [06:42:31] <EdePopede> perseiver, depends on the desktop
you've installed. kde/gnome/xfce/mate/...? normally there
should be a panel with menu, clock, some more stuff and window
buttons
488 [06:42:38] <EdePopede> or: alt-tab (as usual)
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491 [06:44:16] <EdePopede> may also be the panel is set to
autohide, then moving the mouse to the desktop edge would show it
492 [06:44:17] <perseiver> EdePopede: I can't use ctrl and
alt-tab easily.. Actually I am operating debian remotely. and when I
press alt-tab it control My system not remotely controlled debian
system
493 [06:45:53] <EdePopede> another option: xfce4-popup-windowmenu
- opens on midclick in the desktop or when run from the shell
494 [06:46:12] <EdePopede> if your desktop is xfce, obviously ;)
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496 [06:47:08] <EdePopede> if your mouse is captured in the
window then it also should work with the edges
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506 [06:56:35] <perseiver> ok.. I am searching is there any tweak
tool setting. that stop auto hide of Side Menu (Favourite)
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509 [06:59:33] <diogenes_> perseiver, what DE?
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511 [07:00:34] <perseiver> DE! I am not gettng diogenes_
512 [07:00:37] <EdePopede> perseiver, there may be a Settings
entry it its context menu
513 [07:00:48] <EdePopede> desktop environment (KDE, Gnome etc)
514 [07:00:51] <perseiver> ok
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596 [08:05:26] <DK2> i can install debian on my server without
problems on two disks (sda+sdb are recognized) However after
installation it doesnt boot. i can see that in the bios the server
doesnt recognize the harddrive
597 [08:05:37] <DK2> but in rescue linux they are there perfectly
fine, any ideas?
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667 [08:57:32] <ytf0rd> helo
668 [08:57:41] <ytf0rd> who do i call if i has birus
669 [08:58:07] <Haohmaru> the bolice
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672 [08:59:47] <ytf0rd> why wont vlc let me listen to john cena
midis
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676 [09:00:27] <Haohmaru> cuz you don't have the john cena
plugin?
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678 [09:00:51] <Haohmaru> do you have an actual question?
679 [09:00:55] <ytf0rd> yes
680 [09:01:00] <jelly> !ask
681 [09:01:00] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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683 [09:01:14] <ytf0rd> why cant i play my midis
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685 [09:01:18] <ytf0rd> i really want 2 no
686 [09:01:46] <ytf0rd> i have a bunch i made in fl studio but
they wont play
687 [09:02:34] <ytf0rd> it says no midi plugin when i try to load
them
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690 [09:03:21] <Haohmaru> i don't know, i only make wavs and
mp3s
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693 [09:03:53] <rant> ytf0rd: last i checked fl is proprietsry
windows software not included in debian
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695 [09:04:26] <Haohmaru> yeah, there is sort of a inspired-by
thing "LMMS" for linux
696 [09:04:33] <ytf0rd> @rant i know i use my laptop for
production its just making me mad i cant listen to any of it on my
main pc
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698 [09:04:46] <Haohmaru> ytf0rd render it to wav
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700 [09:05:29] <rant> ytf0rd: perhaps you should try debian
software to play them if you run debian
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703 [09:06:48] <Haohmaru> i use flooty roops
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705 [09:07:20] <rant> im beginning to suspect you two are
trolling
706 [09:07:54] <Haohmaru> i have evidence that i'm only
kidding
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708 [09:08:11] <rant> debian has software to play midi files and
thats what we support here
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710 [09:08:37] <rant> Haohmaru: try ##standup :p
711 [09:08:49] <Haohmaru> ytf0rd did you try something simple and
easy, like, dropping them into XMMS or audacious?
712 [09:09:44] <Haohmaru> rant most of my jokes probably
aren't even funny
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715 [09:10:02] <Haohmaru> oh, he ded
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718 [09:11:12] <rant> well i was left founder of that channel and
it never gets used so nobody to complain.. heh
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722 [09:11:48] <Haohmaru> <ba-dum-tish.wav>
723 [09:12:02] <Haohmaru> okay, so i got a lil dumb question
724 [09:12:09] <rant> but its an apt place to discuss and work on
comedy
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732 [09:14:34] <Haohmaru> i am generally using LXDE, but now
after a slightly annoying GUI bug with one of the programs and the
window manager (openbox), i changed the window manager to another
one, xfwm4 (from xfce), and the GUI bug is gone.. however, some
things no longer work, like pressing CTRL+ESC to open the
"start" menu, or pressing print screen to open the
screenshot grabber thing
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735 [09:15:20] <Haohmaru> when i ran xfwm4 manually from terminal
(with --replace argument) it says something of the sort
"Warning: SESSION_MANAGER not defined"
736 [09:15:57] <Haohmaru> but i don't know if this is a
problem, or if it only happens when i run xfwm4 with --replace from
terminal
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740 [09:17:18] <Haohmaru> actually, i don't even know if
these button combos work in proper "xfce" in the first
place
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745 [09:20:41] <rant> well the session mgr has nothing to do with
shortcuts.
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752 [09:21:08] <Haohmaru> then who? the window manager?
753 [09:21:20] <rant> you could prob substitute something else to
do it
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755 [09:21:34] <rant> usually yes the wm
756 [09:21:53] <Haohmaru> ah, so those were openbox features, and
now they're gone
757 [09:22:53] <rant> if i were home id fire up my vm and look
into it but im on android and my computer is off at home
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761 [09:23:52] <Haohmaru> i'm at teh j0b, but i got the same
issue at home too, since i use
debian+lxde+the_same_program_with_the_bug there too
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766 [09:25:47] <rant> well the issue with hookin functions like
the menu is you need to figure out how it does it.. mate has a
shortcuts thing in the settings to hook things like that via dbus id
imagine
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773 [09:27:47] <no_gravity> Hello! Is it possible to set the date
format only for a single application?
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776 [09:28:11] <no_gravity> Thunderbird uses "Your
system's short date format" and I hate that.
777 [09:28:28] <no_gravity> I would like to set it to
'YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM'.
778 [09:28:40] <rant> i know the pain i love sawfish but it has
issues with ewmh which may be what you are experiencing with openbox
779 [09:28:45] <patterson> I miss 1-1-1980
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782 [09:29:07] <Haohmaru> ewmh?
783 [09:29:17] <patterson> Never mind
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785 [09:29:25] <rant> dpkg, ewmh
786 [09:29:25] <dpkg> Extended Window Manager Hints (aka NetWM,
Net WM) is a <freedesktop> standard to augment ICCCM.
Basically how window managers and other X programs talk to each
other. Supported by most modern window managers.
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789 [09:29:57] <Haohmaru> i tried sawfish (and a bunch of other
window managers), but i got problem with these h4x0r tiling window
schemes x_x
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792 [09:30:15] <Haohmaru> i need something that functions similar
to win98, bonus points if it has themes
793 [09:30:34] <rant> one example in sawfish is say drawers
poping out from mate panel get treated like windows with frames
794 [09:30:35] <patterson> The wood wide web
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795 [09:30:39] <Haohmaru> so openbox and xfwm are
"okay" for me
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797 [09:30:48] <rant> cause it doesnt understand the hints
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800 [09:31:22] <Haohmaru> drawers? like.. audio volume slider?
801 [09:31:46] <Haohmaru> gets a whole window frame drawn to it?
802 [09:31:48] <rant> drawers are pop out panels for more icons
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804 [09:32:02] <Haohmaru> hm
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806 [09:33:41] <rant> sawfish doesnt properly support the hints
that tell it how to do this.. back when sawfish was the gnome2 wm
the panel didnt create a new window and use ewmh to make it seem
like it wasnt a window
807 [09:33:53] <Haohmaru> the issue i have is this one program
which opens and closes a given dialog, and tries to remember its
position and size and restores it, but there's a bug that only
happens with openbox window manager, that the size grows every time
(guessing the size is given including the window frame, while the
size expected for the set_size() is supposed to only have the client
area)
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811 [09:35:12] <rant> that could be an ewmh issue
812 [09:36:22] <rant> there is acommandline ewmh client that can
be scripted
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814 [09:37:11] <Haohmaru>
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815 [09:37:18] <Haohmaru> so, there are a few minuses there
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817 [09:37:49] <rant> ,i wmctrl
818 [09:37:50] <judd> Package wmctrl (x11, optional) in
stretch/amd64: control an EWMH/NetWM compatible X Window Manager.
Version: 1.07-7+b1; Size: 21.0k; Installed: 57k; Homepage:
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820 [09:39:01] <rant> it could be used to debug or correct the
issue perhaps
821 [09:39:34] <rant> if it dont respond correctly to wmctrl
commands you know its ewmh related
822 [09:40:29] <Haohmaru> i'll see what i can do with this
823 [09:40:53] <Haohmaru> but the issue happens with a dialog
that the program opens
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826 [09:42:29] <rant> iirc openbox had all the features sawfish
did just without the config ui you have to manually edit configs and
resra
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828 [09:42:38] <rant> restart the wm
829 [09:43:25] <rant> and in sawfish you could match windows
based on all sorts of critera and have rules for how they are placed
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834 [09:45:17] <rant> trying to change frame style and window
dize with wmctrl would give you an idea if itcorrectly responds to
ewmh
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836 [09:45:30] <Haohmaru> LXDE has a config thing, i am able to
even change the "window manager" from a dialog
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838 [09:46:27] <rant> and xwininfo can help identify the dialog
for writing rules to perhaps fix the issue
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841 [09:47:41] <rant> na sawfish configurator is totally
different it exposes virtually all the wm to real time control its
not some generic config thing
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843 [09:48:02] <rant> there is a reason i miss using sawfish :p
844 [09:48:16] <Haohmaru> oh, i see the dialog with wmctrl -l
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847 [09:49:05] <rant> you should if it properly supports ewmh be
able to manipulate that dialog..
848 [09:49:39] <rant> change its frame style, stacking order,
size,,etc
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851 [09:50:49] <no_gravity> How can I check if
LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8 actually does anything?
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853 [09:51:05] <no_gravity> I am trying to make thunderbird use
YYYY-MM-DD, but so far to no avail.
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855 [09:51:30] <rant> no_gravity: type the command after that on
a commandline
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857 [09:51:46] <no_gravity> rant: I did
858 [09:51:51] <rant> VAR=val command
859 [09:52:00] <no_gravity> rant: I did
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861 [09:52:13] <rant> then its ignoring it :p
862 [09:52:19] <no_gravity> Or the locale is broken.
863 [09:52:28] <no_gravity> How can I test it on the command
line?
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868 [09:54:05] <rant> no_gravity: same answer just use some
commands that show dates like ls -l or something
869 [09:54:19] <rant> date, etc
870 [09:54:49] <no_gravity> rant: 'ls -l' already uses
YYYY-MM-DD here.
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873 [09:56:54] * rant shrugs and detaches mosh until he goes home and
can more easily type with a real kb :p
874 [09:58:15] <no_gravity> It's because it is aliased to
'ls --time-style=long-iso'
875 [09:58:23] <no_gravity> When I do this: export
LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8 && \ls -l
876 [09:58:29] <no_gravity> The LC_TIME has no effect.
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878 [09:58:53] <no_gravity> I get some kind of abbreviated month
name format.
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897 [10:05:21] <Haohmaru> okay, when i get/set the size of that
dialog with wmctrl - the window doesn't "grow" in
size every time
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992 [11:20:59] <Epakai> fonshua: i would check for 'shopt -s
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1073 [12:19:41] <rant> Haohmaru: well now that I
1074 [12:20:07] <rant> Haohmaru: well now that I'm home :P
(and hitting enter unnecessarily) I figured out the issue of the
shortcuts
1075 [12:20:48] <rant> Haohmaru: you need to also install
xfce4-settings and add xfsettingsd to your session and then
configure the shortcuts using xfce4-keyboard-settings
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1078 [12:21:30] <rant> Haohmaru: as for running down the issue
with openbox I'd probably have to be able to reproduce the
issue locally
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1081 [12:24:30] <rant> Haohmaru: Menu > Preferences >
Default applications for LXSession [Autostart] add xfsettingsd, then
run xfce4-keyboard-settings and enter in the shortcuts from Menu
> Preferences > Setup Hot Keys and then xfwm4 should behave
the same as openbox in LXDE
1082 [12:25:21] <rant> and of course change in [Core applications]
openbox to xfwm4 in the LXSession config
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1097 [12:32:31] <Haohmaru> oh, okay, imma try these thangs
1098 [12:32:47] <rant> Haohmaru: as for the window rules those are
configured in ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml under
<applications> and you can use xwininfo to get information to
try find matcher info for that dialog and setup rules for it
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1101 [12:33:06] <rant> Haohmaru: if you wanted to try that method
to fix the openbox behavior
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1152 [13:04:35] <rant> as for that other issue, thunderbird it
would seem just doesnt respect locale at all in stretch.. heh.. I
totally changed locale and it still doesnt change the date format.
They say it gets time format from the system but it doesn't
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1155 [13:05:50] <rant> cause if it did, creating a local desktop
file with exec=env LC_TIME=foo thunderbird would've been all
that was needed
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1157 [13:06:14] <Barones> Does debian devs really doesn't
care abou wpa-enterprise authentication problem?
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1159 [13:07:03] <Barones> I really like the debian fork but
I'm willing to move to another distro because I can't
connect to university eduroam/wpa-enterprise network
1160 [13:07:20] <rant> nobody can speak for what debian developers
generally think about anything.. and wtf is wpa-enterprise
authentication problem?
1161 [13:08:13] <Barones> this one rant -
replaced-url
1162 [13:09:48] <Barones> I had looked in wpa authentication
packets and seems that debian have a depreciated wpa-supplicant and
dependencies
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1172 [13:19:58] <rant> Barones: well, that forum says it worked in
bodhi linux, which according to their website is based on the latest
ubuntu LTS which according to THEIR website is bionic.. and
according to package.ubuntu.com bionic uses wpasupplicant 2.6
1173 [13:21:22] <rant> Barones: which buster has, and buster will
release soon.. but in the meantime you could backport
libnl-genl-3-200 and libnl-3-200 from buster and then just install
the buster wpasupplicant package and put it on hold
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1175 [13:22:01] <rant> Barones: those are the only two deps not
satisfied in stretch for buster's wpasupplicant and there are
no deps not satisfied to backport those
1176 [13:22:30] <Barones> interesting rant, well I'm using
mint 19, based in bionic also which is using wpasupplicant 2.6
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1179 [13:23:08] <rant> well if you're using mint then wtf are
we even having this discussion? :P
1180 [13:23:39] <Barones> that is based in ubuntu, that is based
in debian, right?
1181 [13:24:00] <Barones> not being ironic, just new to linux
world
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1185 [13:25:59] <Barones> I appreciate your answer rant, it
reallyl make me understand how packages and deps work
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1232 [13:44:05] <beavis> i've just upgraded to buster, can
anyone tell my why my root $PATH isn't set properly under
gnome?
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1234 [13:44:40] <beavis> when i log in in ttext console it's
being set properly but when i do that in gnome it's being set
to non uid 0 one
1235 [13:44:45] <Haohmaru> rant muchos thanks, it seems i got it
working now \o/
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1239 [13:45:28] <rant> Barones: based on, has nothing to do with
anything.. and Mint is "based on" ubuntu.. they also have
LMDE which is "based on" Debian nothing except Debian
stable is supported here
1240 [13:45:44] <beavis> when i do sudo su it's being set
properly as well
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1246 [13:49:26] <beavis> ah i found why
1247 [13:49:28] <beavis>
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1249 [13:49:36] <beavis> nevermind, bye, havew a good time
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1251 [13:49:50] <rant> Haohmaru: was interesting seeing how easy
it is to swap out components of LXDE but considering I dont like ANY
of them I guess it doesnt matter to me
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1254 [13:50:47] <Haohmaru> rant i like pcmanfm, and the menu of
lxpanel
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1256 [13:51:12] <Haohmaru> pcmanfm as a desktop also is gud
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1314 [14:43:43] <HD|Laptop> Hello everyone. Does anyone here have
experience in how to make dbconfig-common work with a *remote* DB
server?
1315 [14:43:51] <HD|Laptop> I am trying to follow
replaced-url
1316 [14:44:20] <HD|Laptop> but the keystone postinst script fails
with exit-code 10 after "PKG-Openstack now calling: dbc_go
keystone reconfigure"
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1319 [14:45:43] <HD|Laptop> I am running
"DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low apt-get install
keystone", and it crashes after the first question (do you want
to configure the db with dbconfig-common)
1320 [14:46:09] <HD|Laptop> I'm on stretch, if that's
relevant
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1324 [14:46:40] <jelly> ,v keystone
1325 [14:46:41] <judd> Package: keystone on amd64 -- wheezy:
2012.1.1-13+wheezy1; jessie: 2014.1.3-6; jessie-backports:
2:9.0.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:10.0.0-9+deb9u1; stretch-security:
2:10.0.0-9+deb9u1; buster: 2:14.0.1-1; sid: 2:14.0.1-1
1326 [14:48:12] <HD|Laptop> I have run a dpkg-reconfigure -plow
dbconfig-common already, and it asked me two questions: should it
keep passwords locally (yes), and if I was thinking about using
remote servers (yes), nothing more
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1329 [14:48:47] <HD|Laptop> without the
dbconfig-common/keystone.conf file, the keystone installation script
believes I want to go sqlite and does not ask me any question about
which database I want to use
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1371 [15:20:07] <HD|Laptop> I've narrowed down that dbconfig
crash to /usr/share/debconf/confmodule, where db_set is called: SET
keystone/db/app-user openstack@localhost
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1373 [15:20:25] <HD|Laptop> this thing somehow interacts with the
debconf system, but how?
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1400 [15:38:36] <beavis> ok anyone tell me how would i remap a key
with xkb properly
1401 [15:38:45] <beavis> google seems helpless
1402 [15:39:21] <kirk781> via xmodmap?
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1408 [15:41:19] <jelly> no, xkb, they said xmodmap was deprecated
like 15 years ago
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1410 [15:41:34] <kirk781> Shit, mapped my keys via xmodmap
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1427 [15:50:32] <HD|Laptop> hmm. I tried that SET command in
debconf-communicate
1428 [15:50:33] <HD|Laptop> echo "SET keystone/db/app-user
openstack@localhost" | debconf-communicate 10
keystone/db/app-user doesn't exist
1429 [15:50:52] <HD|Laptop> at least that explains the error code.
but how do I create that value, even if it does not exist?
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1439 [16:00:38] <beavis> sdsd/15
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1444 [16:02:40] <CdK1> Hi *
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1446 [16:03:21] <beavis> jelly: so if you know pls share
1447 [16:03:36] <CdK1> Dear, I am trying to install Debian from a
live CD, however, I have not been told the hard drive and the
following error appears:
1448 [16:03:36] <beavis> i'm googling since last hour and
everyone has a differnt solution that sucks
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1450 [16:03:44] <CdK1> failed to enable AA (error_mask=0x4)
1451 [16:04:38] <rant> CdK1: you'd be better off using the
normal install media if you can.
1452 [16:05:25] <CdK1> rant: Hi :)
1453 [16:05:27] <CdK1> Unfortunately I can not, only through a USB
1454 [16:05:37] <rant> uh.. yeah..
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1456 [16:05:52] <rant> the normal installer works via cd, hdd,
usb, pxe, whatever
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1458 [16:05:59] <CdK1> Unfortunately I can not, only through a USB
1459 [16:06:05] <rant> its just like the live media only it
doesn't suck
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1461 [16:06:27] <CdK1> xD
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1465 [16:06:56] <rant> CdK1: how much wood could a woodchuck chuck
if a woodchuck chucked wood?
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1472 [16:08:43] <rant> I guess you're not a bot..
could've fooled me
1473 [16:10:20] <rant> in any case, last I used the live install
it resulted in an install twice the normal size
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1494 [16:26:12] <jelly> beavis: I don't. 10+ years ago
I'd've used xmodmap.
1495 [16:26:29] <beavis> xmodmap is deprecated as you say
1496 [16:26:34] <jelly> ! This is an `xmodmap' input file for
PC 105 key (Linux/XFree86; US) keyboards. Automatically generated on
Wed Jan 27 13:35:49 1999 by jelly with XKeyCaps 2.43;
1497 [16:26:35] <dpkg> jelly: I think you lost me on that one
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1500 [16:27:53] <jelly> beavis: to the best of my knowledge, noone
ever wrote nice tools (like xkeycaps) for xkb.
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1524 [16:44:17] <zeta-> Is Date info stored with dpkg/apt?
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1526 [16:44:32] <bugfixer> Hi, trying to install on nuc 8 with hp
1080p display. Once i select graphic install i can see ~25 installer
windows next to each other, but they are way too small to read.. i
tried without vga=788 in boot command but then i just get a black
screen.
1527 [16:44:39] <zeta-> ie. can I list recently installed pkgs?
1528 [16:45:00] <zeta-> or recently new pkgs?
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1531 [16:47:20] <petn-randall> zeta-: There's
/var/log/apt/history.log, which has this information.
1532 [16:48:57] <de-facto> to which url translates "replaced-url
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1537 [16:53:05] <de-facto> guessing something like " curl -I
replaced-url
1538 [16:53:16] <petn-randall> de-facto: If you run `apt-get
update` and get an error, it will list the complete URL there.
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1540 [16:53:41] <de-facto> it wont
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1542 [16:53:50] <de-facto> "Err:1
replaced-url
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1544 [16:54:32] <Tenkawa> that sounds like a local dns resolution
problem
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1546 [16:54:47] <de-facto> yes, hence i want to have the full url
so i can debug with curl
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1548 [16:55:00] <Tenkawa> there is no "full"
1549 [16:55:12] <Tenkawa> thats many sites
1550 [16:55:14] <de-facto> well apt-get has to call a valid url at
some point
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1554 [16:55:53] <Tenkawa> you need to fix your dns lookups first
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1556 [16:56:06] <Tenkawa> or it wont matter
1557 [16:56:12] <de-facto> so how would i translate "replaced-url
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1559 [16:56:25] <de-facto> yes, thats what i am at, fixing the
dns, i need the url
1560 [16:56:34] <Tenkawa> no you dont
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1562 [16:56:41] <de-facto> yes i do
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1564 [16:56:51] <jelly> de-facto: man apt-get would probably show
a --print-uris option
1565 [16:57:10] <Tenkawa> you need your nameserver configuration
setup on your machine
1566 [16:57:11] <jelly> de-facto: but you do not need the whole
URL to verify name resolution working
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1568 [16:57:36] <rant> bugfixer: 788 is a 800x600 mode.. your
screen may not support that
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1570 [16:57:43] <de-facto> i know all that, i just want to put a
curl in my build image so i can see if that fails for fixing the dns
1571 [16:57:48] <Tenkawa> thats specific to "your"
provider not to debian
1572 [16:58:17] <de-facto> no its specific to apt-get and how it
constructs urls out of sources.list
1573 [16:58:18] <jelly> de-facto: so does that work?
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1576 [16:59:04] <bugfixer> rant, so what do i do? change screen?
1577 [16:59:40] <bugfixer> i just tried an old 1024x768.. same
result
1578 [16:59:43] <jelly> or use text/console installer, not gui
1579 [16:59:52] <de-facto> jelly, yes it prints them out, trying
now, its not that fast, i have to git tag and have my build system
run a job
1580 [16:59:52] <idle-> ^^
1581 [17:00:10] <bugfixer> jelly, i did.. then i just get a black
screen
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1583 [17:01:13] <jelly> bugfixer: try an installer for buster
instead, if the hardware is reasonably new (put to marker in the
last 12 months or so)
1584 [17:01:40] <jelly> to market*
1585 [17:01:54] <bugfixer> jelly, will do.. give me a couple of
minutes to report back
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1591 [17:04:29] <bugfixer> jelly, could this be related to me
using the net install and not the full image?
1592 [17:04:43] <jelly> bugfixer: aboslutely not
1593 [17:04:48] <bugfixer> kay
1594 [17:04:53] <bugfixer> will try buster then
1595 [17:05:06] <jelly> they have the exact same code and drivers
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1597 [17:05:21] <jelly> just a different set of local .deb package
on the medium
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1600 [17:06:15] <bugfixer> kk.. will be right back
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1606 [17:08:03] <jelly> bugfixer: also I do not know if modern
intel gpu-s require firmware to work at all, if they do then
you're probably going to want an (unofficial) installer image
with firmware.
replaced-url
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1610 [17:09:31] <bugfixer> jelly, will try official installer
first
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1612 [17:12:23] <zeta-> petn-randall: thanks, that could help, but
I'll need to do some log parsing ...
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1615 [17:13:34] <bugfixer> jelly, buster seems to work \0/
1616 [17:13:36] <bugfixer> thx!
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1623 [17:16:18] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Current Intel processors
work without firmware even where firmware is available. They'll
complain but run just fine.
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1634 [17:19:16] <rant> complaning is usually more the
software's job, not the hardware :P
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1636 [17:20:06] <joepublic> Phoronix says intel has chips
requiring non-free firmware,
replaced-url
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1640 [17:21:22] <jelly> it's phoronix, I do not have any
truth value assigned to that source
1641 [17:22:02] <joepublic> It's the premeire, most reliable,
most established linux hardware website in the universe. Your
personal truth values aren't involved.
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1647 [17:23:19] <joepublic> It's the truth of "yes intel
has chips requiring non-free firmware" vs. "no intel chip
requires non-free firmware" (only one of which can be true)
that is interesting, not people's opinions about Michael
Larabel or Phoronix.
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1653 [17:25:53] <jelly> that was just a silly way to say
"they've been wrong or too fast to draw conclusions so
many times that I find them useless as a reference"
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1655 [17:28:47] <bugfixer> what additional firmware will i need
for nuc8i7beh.. wireless and graphic?
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1657 [17:29:57] <jhutchins_wk> joepublic: My experience is that
the chips will function without the firmware, but are able to use it
improve features and/or performance.
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1660 [17:31:30] <jelly> wireless probably won't work at all
without it
1661 [17:31:33] <joepublic> jhutchins_wk, it will function with
features like 3d and video playback accelleration and the firmware
make it faster? or it will function fb/vesa and firmware enables
features like 3d and video-accel which make it faster?
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1666 [17:32:38] <jelly> the fact that buster installer worked
seems to say at least GPU was able to at least with in EFI
framebuffer mode well enough without firmware
1667 [17:32:53] <jhutchins_wk> Seeing as this article is from 2015
and we've been running Skylake graphics for four years now, I
think it's probably limited to certain edge-case GPU
applications.
1668 [17:33:00] <jelly> and possibly with i915 fb
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1671 [17:34:34] <jelly> bugfixer: and you probably want intel
microcode firmware that enables CPU fixes (including mitigations
against recent vulnerabilities)
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1677 [17:36:31] <bugfixer> jelly, can you point me to a package?
right now syslog gui just crashes when i try to use it
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1682 [17:37:35] <de-facto> So i have dns partly working i guess, i
am trying to transparently proxy a docker container with
apt-cacher-ng on the host, "apt-get updates" works for
pulling in the normal deb,debian.org files but not for
decurity.debian.org: "503 DNS error for hostname
debian-security: Name or service not known."
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1684 [17:37:43] <de-facto> what is different for those?
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1686 [17:39:40] <Stx> de-facto: mistype? security.debian.org ,not
decurity.debian.org
1687 [17:40:17] <de-facto> yes just a typo in my message here
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1689 [17:40:31] <de-facto> so thats not it
1690 [17:40:52] <de-facto> i didnt alter debian:stable-slim
1691 [17:40:59] <mutante> de-facto: where does the "-"
come from?
1692 [17:41:17] <mutante> security.debian.org but "hostname
debian-security"
1693 [17:41:26] <de-facto> good question
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1696 [17:42:55] <de-facto> that comes from apt-get itself
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1701 [17:44:22] <mutante> de-facto: i think apt-get just looks in
your APT sources.list files
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1707 [17:47:17] <de-facto> mutante, it looks like this:
replaced-url
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1710 [17:47:44] <de-facto> thats debian:stable-slim in docker with
transparent http proxy to host apt-cacher-ng
1711 [17:48:07] <de-facto> so from within a container
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1720 [17:52:47] <jhutchins_wk> de-facto: It succeeds several times
before the error, could be just a temporary glitch on the mirror
you're hitting.
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1724 [17:53:46] <de-facto> maybe, but i have the suspicion
something is not correct in my setup yet
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1726 [17:54:37] <wwilliam> !paste
1727 [17:54:37] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
1728 [17:55:20] <de-facto> jhutchins_wk, probably something with
apt-cacher-ng on the docker host system
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1730 [17:55:58] <de-facto> is a full squid better suited or such a
job?
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1734 [17:58:30] <de-facto> jhutchins_wk, i am doing a iptables
DNAT translation on the host to reinject packets from the docker
container running debian;stable-slim to apt-cacher-ng (on host
interface docker0 172.17.0.1) like this:
replaced-url
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1740 [18:01:34] <de-facto> i can see the requests from the
container hitting apt-cache-ng, but they produce errors:
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1742 [18:02:01] <de-facto> e.g.
"1550249978|E|781|192.168.112.2|debian-security/dists/stable/updates/InRelease
[HTTP error, code: 503]"
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1747 [18:04:14] <de-facto> probably apt-cacher-ng is not suitable
for transparent proxy i guess
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1749 [18:04:44] <de-facto> is there a good howto setup a full
squid for such a transparent proxy job?
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1785 [18:21:37] * Old_Dog observes that he has apparently frightened
almost everybody into silence. He apologizes as best as he knows
how.
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1794 [18:23:40] <forester> I have made this command sudo dpkg
--add-architecture i386 . How to disable it?
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1799 [18:26:17] <Old_Dog> I don't know, forester, but
I'm curious. what did it do?
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1802 [18:27:45] <Old_Dog> and what were you trying to do?
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1804 [18:28:13] <forester> I was trying to install wine.
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1810 [18:30:10] <Old_Dog> forester, I think that if you will
install 'Play on Linux' that it will install and set up
'Wine" for you.
1811 [18:32:07] <Old_Dog> sorry, forester. I didn't realize
we were on the debian channel. I don't know if 'Play on
Linux' is available for anything but Mint.
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1815 [18:32:43] <forester> Old_Dog: I think it does exist in
Debian too. Because all in Ubuntu is from debian.
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1819 [18:33:19] <forester> I have made this command sudo dpkg
--add-architecture i386 . How to disable it?
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1827 [18:35:27] <shqip> forester: dpkg --remove-architecture i386
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1833 [18:36:49] <forester> shqip: Thank you.
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1835 [18:37:29] <shqip> forester: ur welcome
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1845 [18:43:15] <de-facto> wow, squid comes with a 290kB (!!!)
squid.conf
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1850 [18:43:54] <beavis> ok how do i fallback to xorg on debian
10?
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1852 [18:45:35] <beavis> alright, got it
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1884 [18:57:25] <YottaiQ> Hi
1885 [18:57:26] <YottaiQ> hola
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1915 [19:07:21] <de-facto> squid seems to be extremely heavy, is
there a smaller alternative which supports full transparent caching
to disk http(s) proxy with HTTP 1.0 1.1 2.0 et al support?
Websockets also would be nice
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1919 [19:08:14] <de-facto> something like nginx is to apache, what
would be that to squid?
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1927 [19:09:56] <jelly> de-facto: I'm running squid3 on a
512M RAM VPS, what do you consider heavy?
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1930 [19:11:09] <jelly> admittedly it eats up about 300M of that
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1937 [19:12:59] <de-facto> it takes almost a minute to systemctl
stop squid
1938 [19:13:06] <de-facto> on a 4GB vps
1939 [19:13:13] <de-facto> with default config
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1942 [19:13:40] <de-facto> varnish maybe?
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1946 [19:14:22] <de-facto> i have seen headers of it on the apt
mirrors
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1958 [19:17:47] <mutante> de-facto: isnt that just because
it's nice to the clients?
1959 [19:18:06] <mutante> and waits to shutdown more graceful or
so
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1961 [19:18:20] <de-facto> no client connections yet (i think)
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1964 [19:18:39] <mutante> well.. to answer the general question,
yes, varnish can replace squid
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1969 [19:19:30] <de-facto> i read it does not have SSL termination
so an additional nginx would be required for that, in opossition to
squid which has that functionality included (i may want to go that
route in the future)
1970 [19:19:32] <mutante> but also they are moving to some kind of
"open core" licensing model
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1972 [19:19:41] <mutante> maybe check out Apache Traffic Server
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1974 [19:20:15] <mutante> de-facto: that sounds true since indeed
i have seen nginx as ssl offloader when varnish was used
1975 [19:20:59] <mutante> de-facto:
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1976 [19:21:06] <de-facto> yes im reading
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1979 [19:23:45] <de-facto> it also seems to be quite a heavy beast
to configure though
1980 [19:24:35] <de-facto> maybe i can to it directly with
nginx...?
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2088 [20:15:10] <laurus> Is it too early to install Debian Buster
(using the Alpha 5 installer)?
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2092 [20:17:08] <towo`> laurus, if you have to ask such questions,
then yes
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2095 [20:17:28] <laurus> towo`: Okay.
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2106 [20:21:58] <de-facto> mutante, i quickly misused my nginx as
a forward caching http proxy, seems to work just fine (better than
apt-cacher-ng) for now, not sure about all that fancy https stuff
though and the folks at #nginx say its not meant for forward proxy
stuff
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2132 [20:37:20] <bugfixer> would anyone know how to pair the
logitech g pro in buster? it does not show up under available
devices when i hit the connect button
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2134 [20:37:46] <Erotica> hi
2135 [20:37:52] <Erotica> can I ask a question about arch linux
here
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2138 [20:38:57] <n4dir> obviously not
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2140 [20:39:04] <Erotica> why
2141 [20:39:50] <n4dir> cause you would either ask that in the
arch channel or perhaps in ##linux
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2143 [20:40:02] <Erotica> what's the arch channel
2144 [20:40:06] <Erotica> if you could tell me
2145 [20:40:49] <towo`>
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2146 [20:40:50] <n4dir>
replaced-url
2147 [20:40:55] <n4dir> dang, too slow.
2148 [20:41:08] <towo`> you shouldn't us arch, if you
can't use a search engine
2149 [20:41:18] <travler7282> #archlinux I think
2150 [20:41:21] <Erotica> thank you
2151 [20:41:22] <travler7282> just did a channel listing
2152 [20:42:05] <travler7282> your welcome Erotica
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2158 [20:47:46] <jhutchins_wk> bugfixer: What is a logitech g pro?
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2160 [20:48:14] <bugfixer> jhutchins_wk,
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2172 [20:53:14] <jhutchins_wk> It looks like a proprietary
wireless protocol, so I would expect a usb dongel.
2173 [20:53:49] <bugfixer> jhutchins_wk, nevermind.. just fix it..
thx :)
2174 [20:54:01] <jhutchins_wk> Good for you.
2175 [20:54:06] <jhutchins_wk> What was the answer?
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2178 [20:54:37] <bugfixer> the answer was: just plug in the dongle
:D
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2196 [21:04:39] <rant> thats what she said
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2198 [21:04:56] <bugfixer> lol n1
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2201 [21:05:40] <bugfixer> anyway.. have a nice weekend and thx
again
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2204 [21:06:25] <rant> some folks sets em up, some folk knocks em
down.. that one was irresistable :P
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2208 [21:07:59] <theteju> hi guys.. a quick question. is it
possible to clone a usb device on a folder in /home directory using
dd? all examples I see,, is cloning one usb to another usb.. which
formats the target usb. i do not want that. I want to just
"Copy" usb device contents to a directory somewhere in my
/home
2209 [21:08:21] <theteju> I hope I make sense,,, am I?
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2214 [21:13:00] <rant> theteju: to copy to a "Folder" as
you call it you'd have to mount the filesystem on the USB
device and use cp or such.. if you want to copy it to a file
however.. i.e. image it, you could use dd if=/dev/sdv
/home/user/sdc.img or such
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2254 [21:41:29] <theteju> rant : thank you sir, I thought I must
ask before I ran that command. appreciated.
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2257 [21:43:52] <jhutchins_wk> theteju: That image file will
format the target device if you dd it to the root of the device, but
you can mount it as a loopback.
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2264 [21:45:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps i am trying to follow
apache config but i dont know what dologin.html should be?
2265 [21:45:55] <Eryn_1983_FL>
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2277 [21:50:19] <rant> theteju: using that command it will image
the entire device all partitions and the partition table
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2318 [22:18:33] <de-facto> How would i correctly run apt-get in a
docker build script?
2319 [22:18:38] <de-facto> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get
-qy install --no-install-recommends ${BUILD_DEPS}
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2321 [22:18:40] <de-facto> or such?
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2333 [22:24:35] <jhutchins_wk> !docker
2334 [22:24:35] <dpkg> it has been said that docker is #docker on
chat.freenode.net
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2337 [22:26:58] <de-facto> !apt-get
2338 [22:26:59] <dpkg> apt-get is a program (part of the apt
package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is
the original frontend for <apt>, but <aptitude> is now
the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why
aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>,
<apt-cache>, <gdebi>.
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2343 [22:28:04] <de-facto> do i need
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive in scripts?
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2361 [22:36:59] <__m4ch1n3__> !sysv
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2380 [22:45:22] <jhutchins_wk> __m4ch1n3__: What about it?
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2387 [22:49:10] <__m4ch1n3__> :3 hmm thinking about switching to
it from systemd
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2394 [22:52:52] <__m4ch1n3__> is it possible to replace systemd
with sysv easily in debian through package installation?
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2396 [22:53:32] <__m4ch1n3__> are there pitfalls i should research
first?
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2401 [22:54:09] <iovec> I have a non-systemd install on stretch,
you won't be able to use anything that depends on it after
doing that though
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2404 [22:55:23] <__m4ch1n3__> how can i get a list of things that
depend on it?
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2410 [22:56:14] <__m4ch1n3__> reverse dependencie search
2411 [22:57:00] <rant> !rdepends
2412 [22:57:01] <dpkg> methinks rdepends is apt-cache rdepends
foo; shows you what depends on foo
2413 [22:57:12] <rant> ,i apt-rdepends
2414 [22:57:13] <judd> Package apt-rdepends (utils, optional) in
stretch/amd64: recursively lists package dependencies. Version:
1.3.0-6; Size: 14.3k; Installed: 40k; Homepage:
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2416 [22:59:57] <nkuttler> __m4ch1n3__: you don't have to
uninstall systemd if you don't want to use it as init
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2418 [23:01:11] <__m4ch1n3__> hehe the rdepends is awesome
2419 [23:01:17] <__m4ch1n3__> *thing
2420 [23:02:50] <kabo> Hi, I'm having some usb mic issues.
Anyone have any ideas?
2421 [23:02:54] <kabo>
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2424 [23:03:04] <kabo>
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2425 [23:03:16] <nkuttler> !paste.debian.net
2426 [23:03:20] <kabo> I'm suspecting some udev issue, but I
really have no idea
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2429 [23:03:49] <kabo> ok, I'll paste there
2430 [23:05:41] <kabo>
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2431 [23:05:44] <kabo> there we go :)
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2433 [23:06:04] <kabo> I think the imgur link may say more though
2434 [23:06:12] <kabo> basically the mic shows up as a card
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2436 [23:06:33] <kabo> but in pavucontrol it shows up under
"Configuration", but not as an input device
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2439 [23:07:04] <kabo> I can record with the mic in audacity
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2441 [23:07:13] <kabo> but it doesn't show up anywhere else
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2444 [23:07:38] <kabo> and pavucontrol doesn't show audacity
as a recording application when I'm recording in audacity
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2449 [23:10:59] <Masterphi> I'm running debian on a OrangePi3
SBC and it's supposed to have bluetooth, but bluetoothctl
can't see the BT controller, how do I debug this?
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2463 [23:15:07] <__m4ch1n3__> nkuttler, how would i do that?
2464 [23:15:16] <__m4ch1n3__> boot option?
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2475 [23:24:05] <Sleaker> hmm, launchpads aptitude homepage link
is busted, has it been relocated?
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2479 [23:25:44] <Sleaker> just trying to get some info on what
appears to be changes in aptitude 'versions' command
changing between .6.8 and .8.7
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2489 [23:33:09] <rant> Sleaker: perhaps you were looking for
#ubuntu ?
2490 [23:33:16] <Sleaker> nope
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2492 [23:33:51] <Sleaker> just trying to find a homepage for the
aptitude project and the launchpas thing links to a debian page
that's defunct now.
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2494 [23:34:10] <Sleaker> and I'm trying to figure out
differences for the version on stretch, vs an older ubuntu version
2495 [23:34:33] <Sleaker> so wanted to comb through update
changelogs to see if I could track down what exactly changed in the
pattern matching for 'aptitude versions'
2496 [23:35:02] <Sleaker> but... I'm also just wondering if
the original method of pattern matching we used for this stuff was
just wrong to start with.
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2500 [23:36:07] <Sleaker> was using 'aptitude version
"^$PACKAGE_NAME$"
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2502 [23:36:29] <Sleaker> but... .8.7 doesn't accept it as ^
and $ are regex.
2503 [23:36:34] <rant> Sleaker:
replaced-url
2504 [23:36:43] <Sleaker> cool thanks
2505 [23:37:02] <Sleaker> launchpad apparently didn't update
their links. not super surprised.
2506 [23:37:39] <rant> Sleaker: yeah well I couldn't care
less about launchpad, but p.d.o didn't change it either
2507 [23:37:45] <Sleaker> for sure
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2513 [23:38:56] <rant> actually I think I need to look into this..
cause IIRC ailoth went down quite a long time ago and even mailing
list links are still pointing there
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2515 [23:39:07] <rant> dpkg, ailoth?
2516 [23:39:08] <dpkg> wish i knew, rant
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2524 [23:42:48] <rant> dpkg, ailoth was was a GForge/FusionForge
based system run by Debian for hosting free sofware and
documentation projects. Ailoth was switched off in June 2018 and has
been replaced by a GitLab based solution called salsa
replaced-url
2525 [23:42:48] <dpkg> rant: You are person #1 to send an
unparseable request
2526 [23:43:10] <rant> dpkg, ailoth is <reply> ailoth was a
GForge/FusionForge based system run by Debian for hosting free
sofware and documentation projects. Ailoth was switched off in June
2018 and has been replaced by a GitLab based solution called salsa
replaced-url
2527 [23:43:11] <dpkg> okay, rant
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2530 [23:44:37] <Sleaker> hmm I don't understand why we are
trying to regex 'aptitude versions' anyway, seems like we
should ust do exact name matching since we already have the exact
pacakge name.....
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2532 [23:44:42] <Sleaker> ugh code rot
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2545 [23:53:33] <Sleaker> ok now I'm just confused the
pattern matching doc for aptitude doesn't even work as input
for aptitude versions
2546 [23:53:40] <Sleaker> eg: aptitude versions 'opengl
(perl|python)'
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2548 [23:54:04] <Sleaker> returns: E: Argument is neither a
package name nor a pattern: 'opengl (perl|python)'
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