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• 1[00:00:29] <nvz> possible sure, necessary, not at all
• 2[00:00:43] <nvz> !wayttd
• 3[00:00:43] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do?
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• 6[00:02:05] <jim> the drive is good, but it doesn't boot, not even into grub. so I'm trying to get it to boot
• 7[00:02:41] <jim> what else would I do?
• 8[00:03:33] <jhutchins> 1fixgrub
• 9[00:03:42] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
• 10[00:03:42] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 11[00:03:46] <nvz> standard chroot rescue procceedure.. boot another media.. like yes, an installer.. then drop into a shell, mount the disk, chroot to it..
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• 13[00:05:54] <jim> I've been trying the standard approach for days... I built a pair of scripts that build or tear down a chroot
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• 15[00:06:20] <jim> but when I grub-mkconfig, it hangs, no message
• 16[00:06:26] <nvz> there's an app for that (tm) :P
• 17[00:06:35] <nvz> ,i schroot
• 18[00:06:36] <judd> Package schroot (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Execute commands in a chroot environment. Version: 1.6.10-6+b1; Size: 777.2k; Installed: 2728k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 19[00:06:53] <jim> I can't install packages right now
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• 21[00:07:00] <nvz> I have never in almost 20 years using debian ran that command
• 22[00:07:31] <jim> I put the chroot builder that I did on gitnub
• 23[00:07:33] <nvz> usually all that I need for a rescue is grub-install hd0
• 24[00:07:51] <nvz> or similar
• 25[00:08:27] <jim> well thanks... I'll give some of this a try
• 26[00:08:44] <nvz> you should probably speak on the type of disk.. computer, recent issues.. power failure..etc and if you're using efi or not
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• 28[00:09:26] <jim> using efi, the machine is hp probook 650 g1
• 29[00:09:34] <jim> no power fails
• 30[00:10:10] <jim> the disk is a 2t sata spinning hd
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• 33[00:11:17] <jim> the other machine is across the room, so I'll be afk here for a little while
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• 36[00:11:31] <nvz> didnt fool with the bios settings at all preventing EFI booting
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• 40[00:17:11] <nvz> jim: for the blanket sort of reinstall method you mentioned you'd need to tell it to keep existing data on partitions then it'd still reinstall base.. and you'd have to reinstall your package lists.. making a backup of currently installed package lists first
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• 42[00:17:51] <nvz> but yes, letting DI do it may be less stress.. however if its hardware.. ie bios settings, disk failure. etc, DI can't fix that
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• 45[00:19:00] <jim> nope, didn't fool with settings in the bios
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• 48[00:19:24] <jim> and I don't really want it to try installing the base
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• 64[00:40:49] <nvz> well thing is, if you go into the installer immediately adfter leaving the partitioning, its going to install base on whatever is mouned as rootfs on the target
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• 67[00:41:50] <nvz> perhaps not in expert mode but I havent used it in a long time so I'm not sure but normalyl expert doesnt just skip to next step it goes back to the menu to choose what to do next
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• 69[00:42:57] <nvz> all installing base over a keep data partition is gonna do really is overwrite your package DB which means you need your package selections re-set
• 70[00:43:25] <nvz> all your personal data is in /home and debian policy is not to overwrite and changed configs in /etc/ or such without asking
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• 72[00:43:51] <nvz> so all your settings would be the same as long as you fix the package manager by backing up your package list first and then reapplying it after
• 73[00:44:37] <nvz> its not necessary as I said before but its a more blanket solution that requires less digging into what actually happened
• 74[00:45:50] <nvz> otherwise you gotta mount, chroot in, and investigate logs, configs, manually fix grub
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• 76[00:46:48] <nvz> really if you never see grub at all, no grub prompt, errors, etc.. that suggests to me that its just not finding the disk/esp/grub to begin with which suggests hardware issues to me
• 77[00:47:40] <nvz> usually grub failures result in you being dropped to grub> or (initramfs) or something at boot
• 78[00:47:43] <nvz> means the machine still found the install but something is broken
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• 88[00:53:31] <jmcnaught> jim: the debian installer has a rescue mode that you can choose from the boot menu. Rescue mode lets you pick where the root filesystem is, and it has a reinstall GRUB option.
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• 104[01:10:28] <wr> what is the alternative to gksudo now on Debian?
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• 108[01:13:26] <somiaj> wr: most things are swithcing to policykit / polkit, debian still uses policykit I think (though this isn't as simple as gksudo)
• 109[01:13:40] <somiaj> in general one should avoid running gui apps as root is common advise here
• 110[01:14:02] <wr> somiaj, how would you run zenmap?
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• 112[01:15:07] <wr> pkexec?
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• 114[01:16:00] <somiaj> umm just use nmap?
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• 116[01:16:18] <somiaj> anyways, sometimes sudo will runthings from a terminal and not need gksudo
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• 118[01:16:33] <somiaj> though unsure why you need root for zenmap
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• 120[01:16:57] <wr> somiaj, some scans need root
• 121[01:17:12] <somiaj> scans of your system or scans of remote systems?
• 122[01:17:35] <somiaj> anyways, policykit is a common way to allow privlage escilation for certain apps run by your user
• 123[01:17:47] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 124[01:17:52] <wr> i guess both
• 125[01:18:19] <somiaj> I don't see why you need root to scan a remote machine, but I don't do much of this, so don't know the details
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• 128[01:19:43] <wr> somiaj, when i open it and run slow scan i get warning only runs with root
• 129[01:20:36] <somiaj> you cna try sudo from a termainl, or configure policykit for this app
• 130[01:21:03] <somiaj> in general gksudo was a hacky way to give permsission escilation, and other methods are prefered.
• 131[01:21:25] <somiaj> others who actually run gui apps as root (I don't) might have other suggestions
• 132[01:21:43] <wr> somiaj, yes, but i was opening it via GUI on alt+f2 of xfce
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• 134[01:22:11] <wr> somiaj, i used pkexec and works
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• 150[01:41:36] <jim> jmcnaught, maybe what I should do is format/reinstall... nothign else is working
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• 153[01:42:16] <somiaj> missed the issue, are you installing nvme?
• 154[01:43:55] <somiaj> I mean installing on nvme?
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• 157[01:46:23] <jim> somiaj, me? no, spinning 2t hd
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• 159[01:48:35] <somiaj> okay, I just know that there can be issues with efi and nvme
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• 161[01:48:57] <somiaj> I missed the actual issue, but seems you have tried most things
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• 167[02:01:59] <jim> I have no idea if I've tried -most- things, but it feels like I might have
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• 170[02:03:56] <jim> does the debian installer's partitioning tool have a selection for the efi partition?
• 171[02:04:09] <jim> I couldn't find one
• 172[02:04:25] <jim> in 10.2
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• 174[02:06:15] <somiaj> the debian installer uses mbr partitions if in legacy mode and gpt if in efi mode, so unless you boot it in efi mode you might not see a selection for that
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• 176[02:06:48] <jim> well I already put a gpt on the drive
• 177[02:07:32] <somiaj> anyways you mind find gmrl a better live system to debug things than the installer
• 178[02:07:36] <somiaj> !gmrl
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• 180[02:09:13] <ryouma> i find all of them to be inaccessible wrt fonts but grml is a package so you can ahfve ti updated on your boot partition
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• 224[03:10:26] <brieweb> sponix, got it working
• 225[03:10:34] <brieweb> added the following to the xen boot args
• 226[03:10:42] <brieweb> efi=no-rs
• 227[03:11:14] <brieweb> it looks to be a bug.
• 228[03:11:39] <brieweb> I don't know the underlying details, so I can't say what it is
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• 233[03:23:25] <somiaj> what does the no-rs flag do?
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• 245[03:33:04] <Gryllida> how do i downgrade a package? i've got x2goserver 4.1.0.3-4, but i will need 4.0.1.15 because of this bug replaced-url
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• 247[03:33:52] <somiaj> ,v x2goserver
• 248[03:33:53] <judd> Package: x2goserver on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 4.1.0.3-3~bpo9+1; buster: 4.1.0.3-4; bullseye: 4.1.0.3-5; sid: 4.1.0.3-5
• 249[03:34:22] <somiaj> ,snapshots
• 250[03:34:26] <somiaj> !snapshots
• 251[03:34:26] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 255[03:38:55] <sponix> brieweb: glad to hear you got it working
• 256[03:39:22] <Gryllida> hi, somiaj
• 257[03:40:32] <somiaj> if debian had old package versions you might be able to find a snapshot that installs
• 258[03:40:44] <somiaj> packages aren't supported, use at your own risk
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• 273[04:00:23] <brieweb> somiaj, the no-rs flag turns off stuff to the uefi
• 274[04:00:53] <brieweb> see if I can can get the details
• 275[04:00:57] <somiaj> some of the intercommunication between the firmware and the os?
• 276[04:02:52] <brieweb> see replaced-url
• 277[04:03:04] <brieweb> that is what I got on the #xen channel
• 278[04:03:43] <brieweb> "disables the use of efi runtime services, things like posting console messages to efi and the like"
• 279[04:04:04] <brieweb> also from the #xen channel
• 280[04:04:28] <brieweb> somiaj, does that provide a clearer answer?
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• 284[04:07:48] <somiaj> just courious, I don't use xen so not sure what is going on with that.
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• 319[05:02:43] <farmfromjakestat> Anyone know if you can use a Ubuntu mirror with Debian?
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• 321[05:04:17] <sponix2ipfw> farmfromjakestat: on purpose ?
• 322[05:04:24] <farmfromjakestat> Yeah
• 323[05:04:43] <dvs> !frankendebian
• 324[05:04:43] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
• 325[05:05:01] <farmfromjakestat> Alright, will avoid!
• 326[05:06:53] <sponix2ipfw> farmfromjakestat: is there a specific application or two that you are looking for, and not finding in default Debian repo ?
• 327[05:07:23] <farmfromjakestat> Nah, my university hosts a Ubuntu mirror that is pretty fast for me and was wondering if I could also use it for Debian
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• 460[08:10:21] <miskatonic> is there a standard place for aliases for /bin/dash in interactive usage?
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• 473[08:13:52] <id4rk_> morning
• 474[08:14:13] <miskatonic> morning
• 475[08:14:16] <luna_> morrn
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• 491[08:19:41] <torchinz> hey guys, I am on Debian Buster. Since a couple of weeks, I am getting an error in updating the packages.
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• 493[08:20:17] <torchinz> It appears that three software/drivers from nvidia are causing it. (nvidia-glx-alternative)
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• 495[08:21:06] <torchinz> I checked the repository and saw glx-alternative having an update but my synaptic does not allow me to update it. Hence, the rest of the drivers do not get updated either
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• 497[08:22:01] <torchinz> The error I am getting The following packages have been kept back. nvidia-alternative nvidia-kernel-support nvidia-vdpau-driver
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• 501[08:24:13] <torchinz> As soon as I try to install those held back packages, manually, I get this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
• 502[08:24:13] <torchinz> nvidia-alternative : Depends: glx-alternative-nvidia (>= 1.1) but 1.0.0 is to be installed
• 503[08:24:13] <torchinz> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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• 505[08:25:21] <torchinz> I am sure that there are no broken packages. Also, when I try to install glx-alternative-nvidia, it shows me that I am on the newest version
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• 511[08:32:52] <nvz> tolecnal: (apt policy; apt policy nvidia-glx-alternative)|nc termbin.com 9999
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• 513[08:33:33] <nvz> ,v glx-alternative-nvidia
• 514[08:33:34] <judd> Package: glx-alternative-nvidia on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.5.1; stretch/contrib: 0.8.8~deb9u2; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.9.1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 1.0.0; buster-backports/contrib: 1.1.0~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 1.1.0; sid/contrib: 1.1.0
• 515[08:35:53] <nvz> tolecnal: sounds to me without further information like you're trying to install something from backports, and to do that (selecting versions) in synaptic you have to press Ctrl+E
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• 517[08:39:09] <nvz> after selecting the package that is
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• 524[08:43:48] <miskatonic> synaptic is a pain in the ass ... it installs a file in apt.conf.d whih enforces th installation of recommended packages
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• 527[08:46:36] <nvz> no it doesnt?
• 528[08:48:34] <nvz> ,file apt.conf.d/99synaptic
• 529[08:48:38] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 531[08:49:30] <nvz> not only does it do no such thing, but that file is trivial to delete/remove and the preferences on the first page has a simple checkbox to consider recommends as dependencies
• 532[08:49:46] <nvz> erm delete/edit
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• 540[08:57:09] <miskatonic> the trouble cases of synaptics found on reddit, stackoverflow, et al. date to many years before buster
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• 542[08:58:25] * Haohmaru uses synaptic
• 543[08:58:30] <Haohmaru> it's gud
• 544[08:59:24] <nvz> yeah, and so do the trouble cases for nearly everything else under the sun
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• 546[08:59:42] <nvz> I only really use it when I wanna browse through and select a bunch of things and not sure offhand what they are
• 547[08:59:54] <nvz> I much prefer just to use apt or such
• 548[08:59:58] <nvz> which also does the same thing
• 549[09:00:07] <nvz> with the adding suggests/recommends
• 550[09:00:31] <Haohmaru> in my case i wanna see wtf i'm doing
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• 552[09:00:52] <Haohmaru> also, you can eyeball screenshots in it
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• 555[09:01:18] <Haohmaru> you can check wut stuff you got installed, what can be updated, etc..
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• 557[09:02:10] <Haohmaru> apt is for when you know wut ur doing or if you're copy/pasting a command that definately should do the right thing
• 558[09:02:18] <Haohmaru> (IMO)
• 559[09:02:22] <nvz> well I use p.d.o and Package Search and such for some of that stuff
• 560[09:02:31] <Haohmaru> pdo?
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• 562[09:02:35] <nvz> package search does a fairly decent debtags search
• 563[09:02:42] <nvz> packages.debian.org
• 564[09:02:56] <nvz> ,ipackagesearch
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• 566[09:03:31] <Haohmaru> there's this page somewhere where you can read info about packages like versions in different debians and so on, but i can never find it when i want to
• 567[09:03:37] <Haohmaru> maybe it's that ^
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• 570[09:04:38] <nvz> p.d.o is the place to start it has links for that package to all the other important sites like the tracker, security tracker, changelogs, etc..
• 571[09:05:35] <Haohmaru> this is great but it still doesn't work as a substitute synaptic
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• 573[09:06:20] <nvz> na, its more just a supplementary tool for finding information
• 574[09:06:24] <Haohmaru> i can mark to *install* stuff from synaptic as i'm browsin around it
• 575[09:06:26] <nvz> it could use some tlc
• 576[09:06:36] <nvz> for one it installs tihngs one at a time
• 577[09:06:53] <nvz> has no sort of selections db
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• 597[09:32:02] <nlpqda> after upgrading/rebooting buster I have 2 issues .. 1) replaced-url
• 598[09:32:40] <Haohmaru> o_O wtf is this?
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• 602[09:34:16] <ratrace> it's a hover click, duh!
• 603[09:34:16] <nlpqda> No clue :D
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• 605[09:34:56] <nvz> !zorin
• 606[09:34:56] <dpkg> Zorin OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 607[09:34:59] <ratrace> also one of many many many many reasons I'm staying away from overengineered heaps of garbage like gnome.
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• 609[09:35:37] <Linux1212> Good morning at all!
• 610[09:36:31] <nvz> hmm.. yes, well it does seem to be a gnome thing.. accessibility feature..
• 611[09:36:43] <nvz> I can only find mention of it in that Zorin OS online
• 612[09:37:03] <Haohmaru> ratrace is that gnome ^ ?
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• 614[09:37:25] <Haohmaru> h0rr0r
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• 620[09:43:04] <Haohmaru> gnome is the default DE for debian :/
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• 626[09:45:25] <miskatonic> I don't want any DE whatsoever, default or not. Just a barebones wm that can be used without a mouse
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• 628[09:46:28] <ksk> miskatonic: so deselect "desktop" task in the installer.
• 629[09:46:50] <nlpqda> How it possible to turn off ssd encryption so that next time it won't ask for password when reboot?
• 630[09:47:09] <ksk> nlpqda: did you enable disk encryption during the setup?
• 631[09:47:15] <nlpqda> yes
• 632[09:47:17] <ksk> then it is not possible, since all the data is encrypted
• 633[09:47:24] <ksk> you would need to reinstall without encryption
• 634[09:47:31] <nvz> nlpqda: you cannot turn off encryption you will have to migrate the data
• 635[09:47:32] * luna_ drinks tea and waits for Day 2 of RIPE 80 to start in 15 minutes
• 636[09:47:33] <nlpqda> I see
• 637[09:47:38] <nlpqda> thanks
• 638[09:47:43] <ksk> ps: you should not have any performance drawbacks on a modern computer
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• 647[09:52:48] <nvz> there are also ways to just avoid typing the password if thats you're real goal
• 648[09:53:15] <nlpqda> upgrading the system screwed everything up replaced-url
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• 651[09:53:38] <nlpqda> I think formating the only solution now
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• 653[09:54:00] <nvz> gconf-editor is kinda obsolete
• 654[09:54:09] <nvz> you're probably looking for dconf-editor
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• 660[09:57:08] <nvz> afaik gconf is only still there cause devs are suppose to be migrating their settings to dconf
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• 664[10:00:11] <nlpqda> I see .. yes it works but also scay to open with this silly mouse clicking randomly
• 665[10:01:02] <nlpqda> how to tell which executable or process is standing behind this Hover Click?
• 666[10:01:23] <nlpqda> I tried log ps aux and diff but nothing appeared
• 667[10:01:47] <nlpqda> baseically closing the GUI won't stop the application from acting in the background
• 668[10:01:52] <nvz> you can identify any window you can click on
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• 673[10:04:17] <nvz> run say xprop for example, _NET_WM_PID
• 674[10:04:26] <nvz> will show the process ID of the window you click on
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• 678[10:07:39] <nlpqda> I tried it but it doesn't seem to be related to process ID which I'm trying to use in order to find the executable for this Hover Click
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• 680[10:08:13] <nvz> @.@
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• 690[10:14:59] <nlpqda> reboot time
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• 748[11:11:06] <Meteorhead> hello there, I'd like to dual boot win/debian, problem is; I have windows on a SSD and a HDD (where I plan to install Debian), where should I install grub, on the SSD rr hDD?
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• 750[11:11:55] <Haohmaru> beware that crapdows can be "naughty" with other OSes
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• 752[11:13:30] <Meteorhead> crapdows, haha, now that's funny xD
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• 756[11:14:55] <Haohmaru> it happened just this morning, on one of the comput0rz here, crapdows10, some shutdowning+updating and then grub is gone
• 757[11:15:23] <Haohmaru> or maybe it just changed boot device order, i'm not sure
• 758[11:15:39] <Haohmaru> fact is, it does filthy things
• 759[11:16:05] <Meteorhead> I was getting away pretty fairly with wsl but I'd like a more stable experience, by the way, I think I'd install grub on the HDD and change the boot order, I'm pretty sure if I'll install it on the SSD
• 760[11:16:10] <Haohmaru> i'd personally put the debian on a different drive
• 761[11:16:15] <Meteorhead> windows might do its evil tricks
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• 773[11:25:27] <nf9c> hello all
• 774[11:25:28] <ksk> Meteorhead: do you have EFI by chance? you can just ignore everything then, and let it decide what to boot
• 775[11:25:58] <ksk> (like you, afaik, can have 1 bootload on windows ssd, one bootload on linux hdd, and efi makes you able to choose which one to load..)
• 776[11:26:09] <ksk> *bootloader
• 777[11:26:20] <Meteorhead> ksk, I do have UEFI, what does it mean?
• 778[11:26:29] <Meteorhead> I see you already explained lol
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• 780[11:26:42] <ksk> Meteorhead: but apart from that, you just install grub to where you install linux. It will detect windows and include it in its boot-entries.
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• 782[11:27:14] <Meteorhead> ksk, very nice actually thank you! :)
• 783[11:27:26] <ksk> at least that is how it works on my box; I can either use the efi "choose boot device" button to directly boot from windows/linux - or select linux and then select windows from grub ;)
• 784[11:27:37] <ksk> welcome.
• 785[11:28:00] <Meteorhead> hey gonna read a bit on this topic :)
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• 793[11:38:56] <NoInternet> Test
• 794[11:39:35] <ksk> yes.
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• 797[11:39:52] <NoInternet> y e s
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• 806[11:46:51] <pwnd_nsfw> Tyest
• 807[11:47:04] <Haohmaru> fyail
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• 809[11:47:20] <NoInternet> lyol
• 810[11:47:28] <Haohmaru> kyek
• 811[11:47:37] <NoInternet> lymao
• 812[11:47:37] <pwnd_nsfw> eouf
• 813[11:47:59] <Haohmaru> okay enuf with this
• 814[11:49:07] <NoInternet> ok
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• 817[11:50:00] <NoInternet> uhh
• 818[11:50:00] <NoInternet> im having NoInternet again...
• 819[11:50:18] <ksk> !offtopic
• 820[11:50:18] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 822[11:50:33] <Haohmaru> is your cable plugged in?
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• 869[12:29:44] <epitamizer> what does it mean when I get this message...replaced-url
• 870[12:29:51] <epitamizer> config file...replaced-url
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• 872[12:30:51] <NoInternet> try "firefox" in the terminal?
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• 874[12:31:40] <epitamizer> NoInternet, that works fine
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• 877[12:32:22] <NoInternet> I've never seen what Debian is like or used debian (im using raspbian)
• 878[12:32:23] <NoInternet> but
• 879[12:32:42] <NoInternet> did you drag Firefox from the menu?
• 880[12:34:06] <epitamizer> that's not possible under xfce4, I just right clicked desktop to create new launcher and setup a desktop laucher icon, but it isnt working as expected
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• 884[12:36:37] <Aebian> do you happen to know if there is an app available that lets me use my touchscreen ultrabook as drawing tablet on my Windows PC? My Ultrabook runs Debian SID at the moment so something compatible with Linux is required
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• 887[12:37:57] <ksk> Aebian: RDP? not going to be the greatest experience though.
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• 891[12:38:49] <NoInternet> epitamizer try creating another .desktop file
• 892[12:39:10] <epitamizer> oh nm, just realized i needed thunar volman for desktop files
• 893[12:39:14] <NoInternet> o
• 894[12:39:19] <NoInternet> ok then
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• 897[12:41:31] <Aebian> ksk: well to be fair, I still would like to use my two screens. One of them is a 2160p one and my ultrabook is only 1080p with a 13" screen. My main screen on the Windows PC is 32". What I need would probably something like the Mac app called "Duet Display" just for Linux or similiar
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• 908[12:52:42] <tallgiraffee> hello
• 909[12:52:46] <luna_> hey
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• 913[12:54:17] <tallgiraffee> how's it going?
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• 916[12:54:34] <luna_> alright watching RIPE continues in a couple of minutes
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• 919[12:55:33] <tallgiraffee> ok
• 920[12:55:59] <tallgiraffee> I know it sounds silly but I was wondering if you can help me out
• 921[12:57:00] <tomreyn> tallgiraffee: if it's a debian question people will try to help as soon as you ask the question
• 922[12:57:57] <tallgiraffee> so I'm so brand new to linux and got it on virtual machine and been watching so much youtube trying to figure out how to download stuff via bash
• 923[12:58:05] <tallgiraffee> and it is on debian distro
• 924[12:58:24] <luna_> apt, wget or curl ?
• 925[12:58:28] <tomreyn> (it's usually fine to just ask your question right away)
• 926[12:58:36] <tallgiraffee> so confucius and so stuck but don't want to give up yet
• 927[12:58:50] <tallgiraffee> apt-get install xyz
• 928[12:59:13] <tallgiraffee> like from github and trying to get it to download and install but dont know how
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• 930[13:00:15] <luna_> tallgiraffee: you need to check it out with a git client first
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• 932[13:01:25] <Haohmaru> first time ever with linux -> going for git -> R.I.P. x_x
• 933[13:01:56] <Haohmaru> just run firefox and click on the download link, save to Downloads flder
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• 937[13:06:01] <tallgiraffee> next question how do i install it?
• 938[13:06:25] <Haohmaru> hold your horses
• 939[13:06:50] <Haohmaru> generally you should not install random sh*t from teh internetz or other random places
• 940[13:07:38] <Haohmaru> debian besides being an OS, has servers with pre-built software (and not just software) into "packages" .. you generally take stuff from there
• 941[13:08:04] <Haohmaru> only if you can't get something from there you look into alternative ways, and try not to break your debian
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• 979[13:36:22] <roo-> Hello, is it possible to have 2 different users use two different dns servers? Make /etc/resolv.conf per-user file somehow?
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• 983[13:40:58] <ksk> roo-: as stated in ##linux, I would think namespaces can help with that.
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• 986[13:45:28] <roo-> ksk: Thanks for the suggestion
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• 1007[14:10:21] <tallgiraffee> thank you all figured
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• 1019[14:17:28] <coet-i3> Hi! Does anyone know how to solve this error in Debian when installing git2r? replaced-url
• 1020[14:18:01] <coet-i3> Also, 'dpkg -L zlib1g' gives the following output: replaced-url
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• 1023[14:21:56] <ksk> coet-i3: "zlib1g" vs "zlib1g-dev"
• 1024[14:22:22] <ksk> packages with -dev always contain development-files regarding the pacakge, and are needed for compiling things..
• 1025[14:22:37] <ksk> ,info git2r
• 1026[14:22:38] <judd> No package named 'git2r' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1027[14:22:43] <ksk> ,v git2r
• 1028[14:22:44] <judd> No package named 'git2r' was found in amd64.
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• 1031[14:26:09] <coet-i3> judd: I forgot to say that git2r is an #r package
• 1032[14:26:10] <judd> No package named 'forgot' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1033[14:27:09] <coet-i3> oh, it's a bot XD
• 1034[14:28:00] <coet-i3> ksk: replaced-url
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• 1043[14:40:00] <shinobi_> Is there a way to use dpkg to find all the packages I installed after installation. I'm not really concerned with all the dependencies, just the main packages.
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• 1046[14:41:50] <annadane> i find apt-mark showmanual is good for that, you'll have things like systemd and so on that you didn't manually install but you'll also find a list of packages that you did manually install
• 1047[14:41:55] <ksk> shinobi_: not that I know. You can list all installed packages via "dpkg -l"
• 1048[14:42:43] <shinobi_> Thanks
• 1049[14:42:50] <annadane> it's a good way of pruning a system too, "apt remove <package in apt-mark showmanual i don't need anymore> && apt autoremove"
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• 1051[14:43:19] <annadane> in case the user forgets what they installed, which in the course of using debian for multiple years, you're going to eventually end up forgetting
• 1052[14:44:04] <NoInternet> for some reason "apt-add-repository" is an unknown command
• 1053[14:44:33] <ksk> ,file apt-add-repository
• 1054[14:44:37] <judd> Search for apt-add-repository in buster/amd64: software-properties-common: usr/bin/apt-add-repository
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• 1056[14:44:49] <ksk> NoInternet: install said package.
• 1057[14:45:16] <shinobi_> annadane: Nice. That will make migrations easier
• 1058[14:45:16] <NoInternet> like sudo apt-add-repository [repository]
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• 1060[14:46:14] <NoInternet> i want to add the monodevelop (c# IDE) repository
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• 1062[14:46:31] <ksk> NoInternet: install the package "software-properties-common"
• 1063[14:47:36] <NoInternet> anything after that?
• 1064[14:47:43] <NoInternet> (still installing)
• 1065[14:48:10] <ksk> just be aware that you only add repositories offering software for you specific debian release..
• 1066[14:48:22] <ksk> and not some random ubuntu repo/ppa
• 1067[14:48:48] <NoInternet> ye monodevelop made separate repositories for each release
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• 1070[14:49:24] <NoInternet> "could not resolve ftp.debian.org"?
• 1071[14:50:31] <ksk> Do you actually have internet? :X
• 1072[14:50:38] <NoInternet> lol
• 1073[14:50:53] <Haohmaru> do u even
• 1074[14:51:08] <NoInternet> most of the time its like 3KB/s
• 1075[14:51:22] <Haohmaru> wut's this, dial-up?
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• 1077[14:51:25] <NoInternet> lol
• 1078[14:51:56] <NoInternet> i even have trouble trying to install a 1.1MB python library from python.org
• 1079[14:52:29] <Haohmaru> i remember when 3MB took about 10minutes to download
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• 1084[14:53:41] <NoInternet> same problem...
• 1085[14:54:16] <NoInternet> im gonna try with a vpn
• 1086[14:54:42] <Haohmaru> how do you get your internetz? is it via postal pigeouns carrying your tcp packets?
• 1087[14:54:57] <Haohmaru> * pigeons
• 1088[14:54:58] <NoInternet> lmao
• 1089[14:55:15] <NoInternet> uhh
• 1090[14:55:26] <NoInternet> im lagging
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• 1100[15:02:00] <NoInternet> ...
• 1101[15:02:06] <ratrace> .oOo.
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• 1105[15:02:43] <NoInternet> ksk Haohmaru ftp.debian.org is working now
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• 1108[15:03:17] <NoInternet> and add-apt-repository is working
• 1109[15:03:28] <NoInternet> y e s
• 1110[15:03:41] <NoInternet> thanks
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• 1113[15:04:55] <NoInternet> gpg: keyserver receive failed: No dirmngr??
• 1114[15:06:07] <Haohmaru> now just don't break your debian with random packages from $internetz
• 1115[15:06:36] <NoInternet> it says no dirmngr
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• 1118[15:07:12] <NoInternet> failed to start the dirmngr '/user/bin/dirmngr'
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• 1126[15:12:31] <NoInternet> nvm I got it
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• 1128[15:14:07] <Haohmaru> ratrace how many times have you broken debian (or other linux OS) before you learned how to deal with the sh*t properly? ;P~
• 1129[15:14:14] <Haohmaru> (i'm just curious)
• 1130[15:14:24] <NoInternet> never broken debian
• 1131[15:14:32] <ksk> the key is not executing stuff you do not understand..
• 1132[15:14:35] <Haohmaru> NoInternet first install? ;P~
• 1133[15:14:44] <NoInternet> i installed it a long time ago
• 1134[15:14:48] <NoInternet> im using ubuntu mate
• 1135[15:14:57] <NoInternet> but debian is new to me
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• 1138[15:15:19] <Haohmaru> debian is like crapbuntu, but without the crap
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• 1140[15:15:41] <Haohmaru> (approximately)
• 1141[15:15:56] <NoInternet> i wanted to try out debian and see the performance
• 1142[15:16:11] <NoInternet> ubuntu mate uses a little too much ram
• 1143[15:16:58] <ratrace> Haohmaru: debian never. I learned my linuxing in over a decade of Gentooing.
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• 1145[15:17:23] <Haohmaru> noice
• 1146[15:17:24] <ratrace> (I mean I never used Debian ousside of the parameters specified in the manual)
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• 1148[15:17:41] <Haohmaru> how many times you broke gentoo?
• 1149[15:20:08] <NoInternet> geez another error
• 1150[15:20:24] <NoInternet> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
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• 1152[15:22:11] <ratrace> Haohmaru: too many :)
• 1153[15:22:16] <NoInternet> lol
• 1154[15:22:52] <Haohmaru> my list of linux victims is bigger
• 1155[15:23:20] <Haohmaru> mandrake, slackware, a few different flavors of crapbuntu, and debian a bunch of times
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• 1163[15:29:02] <ratrace> wait, I broken OpenSuse a few times by installing nvidia driver from their .run file. back then I didn' tknow I had to rebuild it on each kernel update. the concept of dkms didn't exist iirc
• 1164[15:29:12] <ratrace> *I've
• 1165[15:29:36] <Haohmaru> ah, crapvidia scores again
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• 1167[15:31:56] <Haohmaru> in 2003 i installed win98SE, and it broke somewhere in 2012 or later
• 1168[15:32:07] <ratrace> Haohmaru: well in those early days, it worked mighty fine. I even played games like Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. It definitely worked way better than radeon drivers, and intel gpu didn't even exist yet ('twas before APUs)
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• 1170[15:32:50] <ratrace> I was specifically buying nvidia HW as nvidia worked near flawlessly on linux.
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• 1173[15:34:46] <NoInternet> Haohmaru uhh the sudo apt-get full-upgrade didn't work
• 1174[15:35:12] <Haohmaru> eek, i actually have no idea what you're doing
• 1175[15:35:18] <NoInternet> lol
• 1176[15:35:40] <Haohmaru> but "full-upgrade" sounds like you're upgrading the debian itself, so you might wanna follow all the instructions uber carefully
• 1177[15:35:59] <NoInternet> yes but nothing upgraded
• 1178[15:36:33] <NoInternet> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 blahblah
• 1179[15:36:52] <Haohmaru> debian 9 to 10?
• 1180[15:37:03] <NoInternet> wait
• 1181[15:37:12] <ksk> !telle NoInternet about Jessie->Buster
• 1182[15:37:40] <Haohmaru> wot, 8 to 10?!
• 1183[15:37:41] <ksk> ehm, I am a little off..
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• 1185[15:37:57] <ksk> !tell NoInternet about Stretch->Buster
• 1186[15:37:58] <Haohmaru> <thatscheating.jpg>
• 1187[15:38:01] * NoInternet gets confused
• 1188[15:38:25] <ksk> NoInternet: the bot send you a message how you upgrade from debian9 to 10
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• 1190[15:39:46] <NoInternet> 403
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• 1195[15:41:48] <NoInternet> lol everything is broken rn
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• 1268[17:08:29] <n-iCe> hi
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• 1281[17:20:06] <jim> hi, is there whatsapp available on debian?
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• 1284[17:21:07] <somiaj> apt search whatsapp
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• 1287[17:21:41] <somiaj> seem there is a python libary in buster, but only a cli client
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• 1290[17:25:14] <n-iCe> jim: use web.whatsapp.com
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• 1295[17:26:34] <annadane> (or don't, because whatsapp is now facebook-owned cancer)
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• 1351[18:14:18] <Aebian> is there a logI can check with acpi_listen doesn't output any events? Not even lid close will get detected
• 1352[18:14:31] <Aebian> *why
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• 1356[18:15:25] <Aebian> what I'm trying to find out is if my laptop sends a signal when folded into tablet mode
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• 1360[18:18:15] <roue> I'm trying to configure my Debian 10 host to add specific entries into /etc/resolv.conf. It's pulling it's IP via DHCP and I tried putting entries in /etc/dhclient.conf as well as /etc/network/interfaces, but they're all being ignored.
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• 1362[18:18:46] <greycat> !override dns
• 1363[18:18:46] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
• 1364[18:19:10] <roue> thanks. I looked at that page
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• 1428[18:50:51] <password2> hellooo
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• 1434[18:53:13] <password2> how do i repair my sources.lust file of my apt0get , i think the repository in it is not sufficient
• 1435[18:53:31] <greycat> !buster sources.list
• 1436[18:53:31] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1438[18:54:32] <password2> i'm on wheezy it seems
• 1439[18:54:57] <cybercrypto> password2: please, cat /etc/debian_version
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• 1442[18:55:08] <greycat> !wheezy sources.list
• 1443[18:55:08] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
• 1444[18:55:11] <password2> "
• 1445[18:55:11] <password2> deb replaced-url
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• 1452[18:57:44] <antto> password2 aww bruh
• 1453[18:57:49] <password2> ?
• 1454[18:57:54] <antto> take immediate actions!
• 1455[18:58:01] <password2> what to do?
• 1456[18:58:07] <antto> evacuate
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• 1458[18:58:17] <password2> i just want to upgrade my samba server
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• 1460[18:58:26] <greycat> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
• 1461[18:58:26] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
• 1462[18:58:39] <antto> wheezy is 7, right?
• 1463[18:58:44] <password2> is that all?
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• 1465[18:58:49] <greycat> yes, wheezy is 7
• 1466[18:59:03] <antto> so 7->8->9->10 x_x
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• 1468[18:59:15] <antto> or just install 10 on it if possible
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• 1472[18:59:43] <password2> this is prolly gonna take a lot of bw?
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• 1475[19:00:14] <antto> too many versions have gone since 7
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• 1478[19:00:55] <antto> did 7 even have systemd?
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• 1481[19:01:12] <antto> we need a historian here
• 1482[19:01:22] <password2> :P
• 1483[19:01:30] <password2> suck being poor
• 1484[19:01:43] <antto> debian10 is very cheap
• 1485[19:01:45] <antto> ;P~
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• 1487[19:02:20] <password2> bw is not
• 1488[19:02:45] <antto> are you taxed by traffic ammount?
• 1489[19:02:55] <password2> i have limited amount a month
• 1490[19:03:01] <greycat> Perhaps you could acquire a Debian 10 DVD/CD from a friend, or a local linux user's group, or simialr.
• 1491[19:03:07] <password2> back when i got this server that amount was 2gb
• 1492[19:03:26] <password2> honestly the last thing i want to do is an reinstall
• 1493[19:03:28] <antto> then IMO skip the iterative upgrade if possible and install 10 directly over it, backup yer stuff before that
• 1494[19:03:36] <password2> i just want to play with samba
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• 1496[19:03:48] <greycat> antto: Debian 7 had a 'technology preview' of systemd, but still used sysvinit as default. Nobody sane would have used wheezy's systemd.
• 1497[19:03:51] <password2> this is my nas
• 1498[19:04:01] <greycat> Debian 8 (jessie) was the first release to use systemd by default.
• 1499[19:04:01] <password2> nowhere to backup to
• 1500[19:04:23] <greycat> so what are you planning to do when it dies?
• 1501[19:04:32] <antto> password2 going 7->8->9->10 is gonna OMNOM much traffic for sure, not to mention time
• 1502[19:04:44] <password2> antto, do i have to go all the way?
• 1503[19:04:57] <greycat> you tell us. why do you want to upgrade in the first place?
• 1504[19:05:03] <password2> 249 for first bit
• 1505[19:05:04] <antto> ya can't upgrade from 7 to 10 directly afaik
• 1506[19:05:14] <password2> well i might stop at 8
• 1507[19:05:17] <password2> :D
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• 1510[19:05:37] <greycat> debian 8 is *barely* still supported (by the LTS team, not the regular team), so it's better than 7 at least
• 1511[19:05:38] <antto> 7->8 is an option if 8 is gud enough for u
• 1512[19:05:53] <mntmn> hi! i just noticed debian bullseye doesn't include xboxdrv anymore, is there a special reason for it?
• 1513[19:06:01] <password2> like i said , i just want to get a newer version of samab
• 1514[19:06:01] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1515[19:06:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1518[19:06:14] <greycat> ,v samba
• 1519[19:06:16] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u13; stretch: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; buster: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5; buster-security: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1; bullseye: 2:4.11.5+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 2:4.11.5+dfsg-1+b1
• 1520[19:06:35] <antto> wheezy ain't even in this list ^ ;P~
• 1521[19:06:41] <greycat> Jessie (deb8) has Samba 4.2.14 plus whatever patches. Is that good enough for your needs?
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• 1523[19:06:54] <password2> i wonder why the dl is so slow
• 1524[19:07:16] <mntmn> greycat: thanks, going over to that channel
• 1525[19:07:17] <antto> plug ur internetz cable deeper
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• 1528[19:07:31] <antto> moar firmly
• 1529[19:07:40] <password2> deeper senpai
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• 1531[19:07:52] <antto> and don't tell me ur on wifi
• 1532[19:08:09] <password2> its a short hop :P
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• 1534[19:08:57] <antto> doesn't matter, if there's a point where yer internets stops going thru a cable/pipe then that sux
• 1535[19:09:45] <password2> 13 hour dl
• 1536[19:09:48] <password2> wtf
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• 1541[19:12:27] <antto> sit back and think of all the great things you can do with it when it's ready
• 1542[19:12:58] <greycat> *what* are you downloading
• 1543[19:13:08] <password2> copy files from it faster than 20MB/s?
• 1544[19:13:24] <password2> greycat, 200MB of updates?
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• 1546[19:14:33] <antto> this would've been a good time to check what stuff you got installed that you don't really need and deinstall it so it doesn't get updated
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• 1548[19:14:49] <password2> eh
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• 1550[19:14:59] <password2> never uninstalling anything from apt-get again
• 1551[19:15:08] <antto> o_O why
• 1552[19:15:23] <greycat> 200MB seems pretty lean for a release upgrade, so I think they've already trimmed out most of the useless crap
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• 1554[19:15:28] <password2> been burned by auto remove before
• 1555[19:16:02] <greycat> You can effectively disable autoremove by writing a config file that marks everything as ineligible for autoremove.
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• 1557[19:16:30] <greycat> Mine looks like this:
• 1558[19:16:31] <greycat> $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local
• 1559[19:16:31] <greycat> APT::NeverAutoRemove ".";
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• 1561[19:17:19] <password2> i replugged my wifi dongle and it seems more willing to dl updates now
• 1562[19:17:21] <antto> i haven't done anything like that, but i use synaptic
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• 1564[19:17:55] <greycat> It's not a choice that I expect everyone to agree with, but it's there if you want it.
• 1565[19:18:39] <password2> honestly , the less i have to tweak the better my life will be
• 1566[19:18:41] <antto> i don't feel h4x0r enough to use apt and sh*t
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• 1569[19:19:30] <password2> yay first 100 packages dl'ed
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• 1607[19:46:08] <password2> yay , packages dl'ed
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• 1610[19:48:08] <antto> <success.jpg>
• 1611[19:48:41] <antto> <cpu_intensifies.gif>
• 1612[19:48:52] <password2> and i got a notice thingy that samba upgraded
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• 1616[19:54:16] <password2> still installing
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• 1628[20:01:25] <NetTerminalGene> debian always keeps the old kernels?
• 1629[20:01:43] <annadane> the 2 most recent
• 1630[20:01:54] <annadane> the current one you're using and the one before that
• 1631[20:02:02] <NetTerminalGene> annadane, i had 4 or something!
• 1632[20:02:09] <annadane> no idea
• 1633[20:02:11] <NetTerminalGene> buster
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• 1635[20:02:25] <NetTerminalGene> i removed them manually
• 1636[20:02:26] <greycat> the "autoremove" system marks the 2 most recent for keeping, and will probably want to remove the rest
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• 1639[20:02:38] <greycat> if you don't use autoremove, then you'll need to manage that yourself
• 1640[20:02:50] <NetTerminalGene> ah. that explains
• 1641[20:03:00] <NetTerminalGene> i can't use autoremove
• 1642[20:03:19] <NetTerminalGene> because it wants to remove core system packages
• 1643[20:03:31] <NetTerminalGene> i upgraded from jessie
• 1644[20:03:33] <joepublic> core system packages?
• 1645[20:03:44] <NetTerminalGene> like gnome
• 1646[20:03:57] <NetTerminalGene> and some other packages
• 1647[20:04:02] <joepublic> you removed something the desktop task depends on, maybe?
• 1648[20:04:12] <NetTerminalGene> no
• 1649[20:04:22] <NetTerminalGene> it happened after upgrade
• 1650[20:04:26] <greycat> I strongly object to calling gnome a "core system package".
• 1651[20:04:38] <joepublic> yeah that's why I asked that question :)
• 1652[20:04:38] <password2> NetTerminalGene, i've done that
• 1653[20:04:56] <password2> done an upgrade an a lot of the new packages got wiped in an auto remove
• 1654[20:05:06] <greycat> is it *literally* the "gnome" package that you are concerned about, or are you guessing at the package name?
• 1655[20:05:12] <NetTerminalGene> password2, and what happened?
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• 1657[20:05:54] <password2> NetTerminalGene, not even recovery terminal worked
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• 1659[20:07:08] <NetTerminalGene> i am precautious
• 1660[20:07:28] <greycat> the reason I ask is because "gnome" is just a meta-package that depends on a bunch of GNOME bits and pulls them all in. removing "gnome" will not remove any actual features.
• 1661[20:07:47] <password2> oh dang
• 1662[20:07:56] <password2> i think my samba is still too old
• 1663[20:08:02] <greycat> (however, if you continue using autoremove, all of those now-metapackage-less GNOME bits may be removed in the second pass... autoremove is really bad)
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• 1665[20:08:40] <password2> what is after jessie?
• 1666[20:08:44] <annadane> stretch
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• 1668[20:08:52] <greycat> ,v samba
• 1669[20:08:53] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u13; stretch: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; buster: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5; buster-security: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1; bullseye: 2:4.11.5+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 2:4.11.5+dfsg-1+b1
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• 1671[20:09:15] <annadane> oh, you mean about samba. sorry. brain = mush
• 1672[20:09:23] <greycat> Maybe instead of just trying random shit, you could do some research and figure out what version of samba you *actually* need for whatever your actual problem is.
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• 1674[20:09:41] <greycat> annadane: no, your answer was correct
• 1675[20:09:44] <password2> radnom shit seems promising
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• 1678[20:11:12] <password2> ok lemme reboot and see
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• 1684[20:15:33] <password2> hmm , my windows still complains the samba server is using an too old protocol , how can i verify this is the case at all?
• 1685[20:15:48] <greycat> So there's a Windows machine involved in this puzzle!
• 1686[20:15:52] <greycat> We have ONE piece of information!
• 1687[20:15:54] <password2> yes
• 1688[20:16:50] <password2> I'm trying to get my windows pc to access my samba shares
• 1689[20:17:06] <greycat> ... what *version* of Windows?
• 1690[20:17:13] <password2> 10
• 1691[20:17:24] <greycat> What did google say when you typed in your version of Windows along with "samba" and the key words from your error message?
• 1692[20:17:45] <password2> said this replaced-url
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• 1694[20:18:41] <greycat> well, that page mentions Debian 8, so maybe it will work for you? who knows.
• 1695[20:19:03] <password2> i tried it
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• 1699[20:24:22] <greycat> if google's not giving you the answers you need, and if nobody in #debian gives an answer, you could ask #samba what version of samba is needed
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• 1704[20:26:21] <password2> maybe i should goto version 9?
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• 1706[20:27:23] <annadane> i mean you should be using at minimum debian 9 regardless
• 1707[20:27:29] <annadane> but otherwise, greycat just told you what to do
• 1708[20:27:32] <greycat> Oh joy, sources.debian.org is giving Internal Server Error
• 1709[20:27:47] <password2> i promise it was not me
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• 1712[20:28:07] <password2> i tried 'deb replaced-url
• 1713[20:28:07] <password2> '
• 1714[20:28:22] <greycat> stretch and jessie are not archived.
• 1715[20:28:32] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
• 1716[20:28:32] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1717[20:29:59] <karlpinc> password2: One thing about samba, unless your clocks are "in sync" it won't work. That's about all I know.
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• 1719[20:30:25] <password2> karlpinc, I'll check thanx
• 1720[20:30:36] <password2> should be right but you never know
• 1721[20:31:29] <password2> they differ by 3 min
• 1722[20:32:29] <karlpinc> password2: That sounds like "too much", but don't really know.
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• 1724[20:33:16] <karlpinc> password2: My only other suggestion is to read logs. That's always the first step, otherwise you're often blind.
• 1725[20:33:18] <password2> was worth a tr
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• 1727[20:33:58] <password2> upgrade to 9 is only 42MB
• 1728[20:34:03] <password2> so ima do it
• 1729[20:34:12] <karlpinc> password2: You can try the readme.debian for samba. But I wouldn't expect anything "special" in there.
• 1730[20:34:15] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
• 1731[20:34:15] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
• 1732[20:34:17] <greycat> there's no way that's a complete upgrade
• 1733[20:34:38] <karlpinc> password2: Be sure to follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes. At least look over them.
• 1734[20:34:45] <greycat> I don't think even the *kernel* alone is that small.
• 1735[20:35:04] <karlpinc> password2: And issuing the commands the instructions tell you to run is key to a successful upgrade.
• 1736[20:35:17] <karlpinc> !release notes
• 1737[20:35:17] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
• 1738[20:35:37] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
• 1739[20:35:38] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
• 1740[20:37:00] <annadane> !stretch release notes
• 1741[20:37:00] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at replaced-url
• 1742[20:37:04] <annadane> you're looking for that ^
• 1743[20:37:48] <annadane> password2, you're on jessie currently, correct? this is 8 -> 9?
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• 1746[20:40:29] <greycat> at this point I'm not sure they've actually upgraded to 8
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• 1748[20:40:51] <greycat> they appear to have tried to modify an archived wheezy sources.list by replacing "wheezy" with "jessie", rather than using an actual jessie sources.list
• 1749[20:41:23] <greycat> and, rather than asking #samba what version of Samba is needed to support windows 10, they're just trying random versions
• 1750[20:43:10] <annadane> my problem with answering debian questions, beyond general lack of technical knowledge, is i always assume everybody is intelligent and has done their due diligence and that the question they currently have is never their fault
• 1751[20:43:41] <dvs> annadane, boy, I have news for you.... ;-)
• 1752[20:43:42] <sney> that is one hell of a lofty assumption
• 1753[20:43:53] <annadane> i know, but that's been my bias up to this point
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• 1761[20:50:49] <password2> annadane, i think so
• 1762[20:50:57] <password2> yes installing jessie now
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• 1764[20:51:23] <annadane> well if you're going wheezy -> jessie then it's another set of release notes
• 1765[20:51:24] <dvs> !jessie
• 1766[20:51:24] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
• 1767[20:51:33] <password2> greycat, are you not in #samba?
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• 1770[20:51:49] <annadane> you have to go through jessie to get to stretch, of course, or just back up your stuff and like, install debian 10 (buster) from scratch
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• 1772[20:52:02] <password2> yeah i went to stretch
• 1773[20:52:13] <dvs> !stretch
• 1774[20:52:13] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
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• 1776[20:52:15] <annadane> then why are you "installing jessie"
• 1777[20:52:29] <password2> because its next?
• 1778[20:52:34] <annadane> debian 7 (wheezy) -> debian 8 (jessie) -> debian 9 (stretch) -> debian 10 (buster) just FYI
• 1779[20:53:05] <password2> oh yeah
• 1780[20:53:16] <password2> no idea whats going on
• 1781[20:54:08] <greycat> At some point you attempted or started an upgrade to jessie (Debian 8). You should ensure that worked.
• 1782[20:54:11] <annadane> so if you need debian 9 or greater's samba version (which remains unclear) - and full support for debian 9 is stopping in like 3 months, to be replaced by LTS, so i'd recommend debian 10 - either go through 7 then 8 then 9, or just install 9 (preferably just go install 10) from scratch
• 1783[20:54:18] <greycat> You don't want to be caught halfway between releases.
• 1784[20:54:20] <annadane> and, yeah, finish any half-finished upgrades
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• 1786[20:54:48] <greycat> They're also apparently stuck on a limited data plan and wanted to avoid downloading a lot.
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• 1790[20:56:30] <annadane> if you're dist-upgrading through multiple releases it may be better to backup what you care about and install the latest stable version of debian (10) from scratch
• 1791[20:56:34] <annadane> that's up to you
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• 1793[20:57:09] <password2> i seam to have gone jessie twice!
• 1794[20:57:10] <greycat> (P.S. if someone *can* find an answer to "what version of samba is required for windows 10", we'd love to know it... google suggests this question in its autocomplete, but none of the pages it coughs up actually *answer* it)
• 1795[20:57:11] <annadane> sorry, faster*
• 1796[20:57:21] <annadane> faster to backup and install from scratch, i meant
• 1797[20:57:32] <password2> eh , no space
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• 1800[20:58:04] <annadane> i'm going out for a few minutes, have fun with the samba stuff
• 1801[20:58:19] <password2> i will
• 1802[20:58:23] <password2> enjoy
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• 1807[21:01:17] <password2> !stretch sources.list
• 1808[21:01:17] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1810[21:01:44] <greycat> don't try to upgrade to stretch until you're sure the upgrade to jessie was complete
• 1811[21:02:07] <password2> how can i test?
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• 1813[21:02:59] <greycat> with a full jessie sources.list, apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade, and see if they have any more packages to download
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• 1816[21:03:34] <greycat> you should also be going over the release notes and the wiki's "NewIn___" pages for each release
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• 1827[21:08:28] <password2> oh yeah , theres a bunch of packages kept back
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• 1829[21:09:22] <password2> 705
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• 1842[21:19:18] <password2> ok i got it sorted
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• 1911[22:00:58] <jhutchins> ,info ffmpegfs
• 1912[22:00:59] <judd> No package named 'ffmpegfs' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1913[22:01:29] * annadane glares
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• 1930[22:17:04] <M1zuki> Hello! I'm on testing branch. Just ran 'apt update' and had an error "get haircut" same as people are talking about here. replaced-url
• 1931[22:17:06] <M1zuki> Does anyone have an idea of what it may be? Should I pay attention to this?
• 1932[22:17:20] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1933[22:17:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 1934[22:18:12] <annadane> O_o
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• 1964[22:52:49] <WoC> does systemd have anything like a init script ? That is started at boot ?
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• 1966[22:53:17] <WoC> Trying to squeeze in a fsck for my rootfs
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• 1968[22:53:57] <petn-randall> WoC: You can do that with tune2fs, irrelevant of your init system.
• 1969[22:54:30] <WoC> except, that wouldnt fix anything would it ?
• 1970[22:55:01] <petn-randall> Not sure what you mean. Do you just want fsck to run on every boot, or something else?
• 1971[22:55:42] <WoC> well, i would need to 'fsck.ext4 -y -f /dev/sda3' which is my rootfs
• 1972[22:56:26] <petn-randall> WoC: That you can set with tune2fs.
• 1973[22:56:31] <WoC> and one time only, or if it can be triggered by something
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• 1975[22:56:53] <M1zuki> greycat, thanks for pointing! I've found my way around^^
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• 1977[22:56:59] <petn-randall> WoC: For one time only you can just run `touch /forcefsck` as root.
• 1978[22:57:12] <WoC> ah, ok
• 1979[22:57:43] <greycat> petn-randall: that works? They did say systemd.
• 1980[22:58:06] <petn-randall> That doesn't work anymore with systemd? TIL.
• 1981[22:58:12] <greycat> !forcefsck
• 1982[22:58:12] <dpkg> Include fsck.mode=force on the kernel command line to instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot (on systemd installations). With sysvinit or older Debian releases, "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8), or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line.
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• 1987[23:01:11] <WoC> so with systemd; only fsck.mode=force ?
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• 1995[23:04:09] <petn-randall> Weird, shutdown(8) doesn't list any option -F, neither does --help.
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• 1997[23:12:49] <jhutchins> petn-randall: I think systemd always does a check.
• 1998[23:13:26] <petn-randall> jhutchins: That's the setting in /etc/fstab, but I think the user wants to force a check.
• 1999[23:16:33] <FuzzyByte> weird
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• 2030[23:36:44] <specing> Hello, is there a way to resume a debuild?
• 2031[23:37:42] <specing> I'm modifying configs of a package of a program that takes an eternity and a half to compile (though less than libreoffice which takes a couple dozen eternities) and rebuilding on every error is simply not sustainable.
• 2032[23:38:20] <somiaj> wonder how libreoffice compares to chromium, that took a while too.
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• 2035[23:38:37] <somiaj> Anyways, I don't know of anyway to resume
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• 2037[23:40:02] <petn-randall> specing: You'll probably have better luck running the exact command from debian/rules again.
• 2038[23:40:07] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2039[23:40:20] <petn-randall> Or whatever debhelper command is being run at that step.
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• 2041[23:41:56] <specing> luckily the compile errors have been fixed (4 counts of OOM)
• 2042[23:42:02] <specing> and I'm now at the install stage
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