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5[00:02:57] <darsie> Shall I get key FF68370A and add it with
apt-key?
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11[00:04:40] <Elronnd> xsetroot doesn't work for me under
GNOME
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12[00:04:44] <Elronnd> is there a way to get it to work?
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14[00:05:43] <klys> probably not under gnome
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15[00:05:57] <klys> you would have to adjust your gnome
background settings
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16[00:06:00] <Elronnd> is there an equivelant short of making
an image of the colour I want?
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18[00:06:49] <darsie> I installed the enigmail from the
enigmail website.
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26[00:10:01] <Elronnd> Here we go
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27[00:10:05] <Elronnd> I set it in gsettings
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28[00:10:07] <Elronnd> worked like a charm
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30[00:11:58] <missmbob> darkman: thunderbird is pretty much
abandoned. sure you wanna use that?
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31[00:12:23] <missmbob> darkman: evolution has native pgp
support, btw
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36[00:14:42] <Elronnd> I like thunderbird
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38[00:14:49] <Elronnd> I used to use it for IRC and usenet
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39[00:14:54] <Elronnd> before I switched to irssi and alpine
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54[00:21:53] <Eli420> Hey everyone, im trying to install a new
wireless adapter on my laptop and im running in to some troubles
with my "make" commands could anyone help me out?
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55[00:22:04] <Elronnd> can you give us the error?
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57[00:23:01] <missmbob> probably apt-get install
linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential
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58[00:23:44] <Eli420> Ok when I cd to the drivers i installed
from their website and put in the "make" command I am
getting No rule to make target 'modules'. Stop.
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61[00:24:06] <Elronnd> that's an error I've gotten
when using bsdmake when I want to be using GNU make
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63[00:24:11] <Elronnd> but that shouldn't be an issue on
debian
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64[00:24:33] <missmbob> you need to learn to give more detail.
which chipset? which website? pastebin lspci -nn
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66[00:24:51] <Elronnd> and don't use the pastebin.com
pastebin, that one sucks
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67[00:24:53] <missmbob> and pastebin the entire command/output
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68[00:25:15] <missmbob> !pastebinit
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69[00:25:15] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send
data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
users, you must "pastebinit -b
replaced-url
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70[00:25:32] <missmbob> (jessie uses paste.debian.net by
default)
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71[00:25:44] <Eli420> Let me see if i can paste it somehow, its
on my laptop and im using my desktop currently
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78[00:28:17] <timBandTech> My laptop is not behaving well with
Debian Testing. Hard drive spins way too long and lid up/down
requires hard power cycle to recover from. Any advice on packages I
should have installed?
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79[00:28:28] <missmbob> !debian-next
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80[00:28:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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89[00:31:03] <timBandTech> OK thanks I'll try #debian-next
on irc.oftc.net
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90[00:31:41] <Elronnd> debian keeps freezing
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91[00:31:51] <Elronnd> when I try to type something into a text
box on reddit on chrome
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92[00:32:17] <DeaDSouL> I wonder, if I installed a mail server,
on my home server.. can I use it to send emails to gmails or any
othe mail providers ? without having global domain? like
something.com
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93[00:32:58] <climjark> hello all
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94[00:33:19] <klys> deadsoul, the most basic spam filter is to
compare the domain where something is sent from to the From: line in
the email.
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96[00:33:43] <Elronnd> klys: I've sent emails where the
from header is different from the sent domain all the time
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101[00:34:54] <missmbob> Elronnd: i've done this
replaced-url
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104[00:35:22] <Elronnd> missmbob: does that just make postfix
use gmail as its smtp server and thus itself act as a proxy for
gmail?
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105[00:35:29] <missmbob> Elronnd: yes
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107[00:35:53] <Elronnd> I see no reason to do that over
configuring my client to connect to gmail
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108[00:36:43] <missmbob> it lets your system send emails. like
everything that goes to root will actually get to a real email
address, etc
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110[00:37:01] <DeaDSouL> klys: so, you're saying I can send
them, but they will be marked as spam?
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111[00:37:19] <Elronnd> missmbob: what do you mean by that
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112[00:37:30] <Elronnd> what's the difference between that
and configuring my client to connect to gmail?
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114[00:37:44] <klys> deadsoul, you'll have to try it for
yourself. try getting the hostname of your ip address with host
1.2.3.4
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115[00:37:55] <missmbob> Elronnd: i just told you. your box will
be able to get important messages sent to your real gmail
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116[00:38:26] <missmbob> Elronnd: using fail2ban and someone
tripped it? email gets sent to root. then gmail. and apticron, and
all sorts of daemons send root emails
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118[00:39:33] <DeaDSouL> klys: I will use the mail server, just
for me... so the server send me some mails about the server...
should I still getting a hostname?
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119[00:39:57] <Elronnd> gmail forces all emails sent through it
to have a from address of your gmail account
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120[00:40:06] <Elronnd> so that anything replying to that
message will also go to gmail
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121[00:40:16] <Elronnd> ohh, I see what you mean
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161[01:01:25] <kwlll> helloworld
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163[01:01:35] <kwlll> I have a question
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164[01:01:51] <hellyeah> hmm
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165[01:01:54] <kwlll> how do i enable my speakers
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166[01:02:03] <kwlll> headphones work but speakers do not
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168[01:02:10] <kwlll> all are built in
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169[01:02:13] <hellyeah> do windows key
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170[01:02:14] <missmbob> kwlll: you probably install pavucontrol
and run it
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171[01:02:16] <hellyeah> type sound
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172[01:02:27] <hellyeah> and enable your spoeakers?
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177[01:04:13] <Elronnd> Why does debian keep freezing up?
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178[01:04:16] <Elronnd> Is it a GNOME problem?
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180[01:04:19] <Elronnd> A browser problem?
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182[01:04:52] <missmbob> Elronnd: why dont you ask the testing
channel like i told you to?
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184[01:06:04] <kwlll> lol have to install it
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186[01:06:15] <kwlll> status report coming soon
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189[01:07:18] <Elronnd> missmbob: I thought you were talking to
someone else
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194[01:10:47] <qqz_> if I have debian stretch i.e. testing
installed is there any way to get kde-plasma4?
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196[01:11:00] <qqz_> plasma5 does not work at me
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197[01:11:04] <missmbob> you ask the testing channel
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198[01:11:05] <missmbob> jesus
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199[01:11:08] <missmbob> !debian-next
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200[01:11:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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202[01:11:11] <qqz_> it has some screen distortions
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204[01:11:21] <missmbob> qqz_: go there please ^
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218[01:14:30] <kwlll> grrrrr
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220[01:14:39] <kwlll> deamon says its already running
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224[01:15:00] <missmbob> pavucontrol isn't a daemon. what
are you doing?
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226[01:15:45] <apii> missmbob: how to get an
"invitation" for #debian-next?
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227[01:15:59] <missmbob> apii: you dont. it's on OFTC, not
freenode.
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228[01:16:00] <Elronnd> apii: read it again
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229[01:16:04] <Elronnd> !debian-next
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230[01:16:04] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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236[01:17:37] <leba2> In sshd config, for
"allowrootlogin", what's the difference between
"without password" and "no", if both prevent
root from logging in remotely?
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238[01:18:03] <missmbob> without password means you can use a
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239[01:18:04] <kwlll>
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240[01:18:28] <missmbob> kwlll: i didnt tell you to run
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242[01:18:51] <leba2> missmbob: ah, like a ssh key?
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243[01:18:55] <missmbob> leba2: correct
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246[01:20:00] <leba2> Aahh, ok, thanks.
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247[01:20:16] <kwlll> same boat
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248[01:20:20] <kwlll> been here
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250[01:20:29] <kwlll> i see the sound playing but it does play
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251[01:20:32] <leba2> But, in order to setup a key,
wouldn't one need to log in *with* password first indeed?
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255[01:21:09] <missmbob> leba2: that's the norm. you could
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256[01:21:36] <sideup66> i decided i am going to leave the exim
timers alone
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257[01:21:41] <sideup66> it works, and the testing from mdadm
woks
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258[01:21:44] <leba2> Aaahh, so there are indeed other ways
other than just ssh-copy-id...
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259[01:21:55] <sideup66> works, thanks jmcnaught and everyone
who helped :) and Jim
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260[01:22:02] <missmbob> exim makes me want to punch myself
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262[01:22:09] <sideup66> why
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263[01:22:18] <missmbob> posftix makes so much more sense
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264[01:22:19] <winsen> Hi all
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266[01:22:31] <sideup66> bah it has a simple job and is built in
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267[01:22:44] <leba2> In another thing, by any chance does
anyone here knows about samba 4 ad dc?
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268[01:22:47] <sideup66> dunno how hard it is to switch, i
managed to set alias so all alerts going to root are routed to that
email
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269[01:22:56] <sideup66> and the alias is configured in mdadm
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270[01:22:58] <winsen> How can I restore removed files/formted
dvd?
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271[01:23:02] <sideup66> and exim is configured for my email so
that works
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272[01:23:12] <missmbob> leba2: their official channel is on
freenode #samba
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273[01:23:34] <leba2> It's iddle
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276[01:23:37] <winsen> Is it possible with testisk or photorec?
what do suggest?
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278[01:23:49] <winsen> what do you suggest?
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279[01:24:26] <sam008> hallo
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288[01:28:16] <oo_miguel> hi
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292[01:29:26] <kwlll> its running
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293[01:29:29] <kwlll> i see the input
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294[01:29:38] <kwlll> no sound coming tho
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296[01:31:14] <oo_miguel> I booted debian-live from an usb stick
on a lap withot a working disk and after playing for a couple of
hours I realized that all my "work/play" is withing a
temporal overlay inside the RAM only (right?). There is still plenty
of unpartitioned space on the usb stick. Can I somehow persist the
state?
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298[01:32:15] <sam008> hallo room
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299[01:32:55] <missmbob> oo_miguel: right. and no, deebian
doesn't officially support persistent. you might find some hack
blog that may or may not work
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310[01:36:34] <rijdfdfp> ho man, what a mess
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311[01:36:47] <missmbob> let me guess. another testing user
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312[01:36:58] <rijdfdfp> using menulibre and alacarte at the
same time was a terrible idea
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313[01:37:10] <oo_miguel> missmbob: oooh ok. I thought this
would'nt make so much difference at all, if this overaul is in
kept in RAM or on some other medium.
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314[01:37:19] <rijdfdfp> I have no app at all now in the menu.
Is there a way to regenerate everything ?
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315[01:37:34] <oo_miguel> s/overaul/overlay
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318[01:38:08] <elige> ¿cómo cambiar el idioma del
Inglés al español
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319[01:38:11] <missmbob> !es
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320[01:38:12] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
#debian-es en la línea de chat.
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356[01:50:34] <sideup66> hey room
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357[01:50:44] <sideup66> anyone know how to configure
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358[01:50:50] <sideup66> sweet lord this thing is complicatd
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359[01:51:01] <missmbob> yeah. like i said. fuck exim
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360[01:51:14] <sideup66> i see why you say that
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361[01:51:19] <sideup66> except i just need this and im good lol
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362[01:51:23] <sideup66> next time, i wont be using exim
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363[01:51:31] <missmbob> sideup66: they have an official channel
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371[01:54:55] <ffa> how do you change the charter layout
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378[01:56:15] <kathyrpk>
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379[01:56:16] <sideup66> missmbob, im there
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382[01:56:21] <sideup66> i think its naptime in the room though
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387[01:57:36] <missmbob> sideup66: they're the only ones
that would know. this is people who run stable
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390[01:58:02] <sideup66> i found it missmbob
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392[01:58:08] <sideup66> it resends after 30 mins
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393[01:58:09] <sideup66> fair enough
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394[01:58:11] <sideup66> ill take it
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395[01:58:12] <sideup66> lol
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400[01:58:51] <sideup66> so yeah lol, thats not bad
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401[01:58:53] <sideup66> i expected worse
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405[02:01:11] <sideup66> missmbob, welp, i fixed the damn valdez
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406[02:01:44] <sideup66> ok, time to clean up caches and such
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419[02:04:55] <sideup66> im out, be on laptop, gotta get stuff
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gnome's alarm clock feature in jessie? no sound is played..
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497[02:52:40] <sideup66> anyone need help at the moment?
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500[02:56:32] <klys> sideup66, ask
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501[02:56:40] <klys> jk
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509[03:01:17] <ksft> I have a few problems
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510[03:01:22] <ksft> sideup66: ^
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511[03:01:34] <ectospasm> !ask
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512[03:01:35] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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513[03:01:47] <ksft> I have a laptop with an integrated Intel
graphics card and a dedicated Nvidia one.
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515[03:02:05] <missmbob> so optimus?
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516[03:02:06] <ksft> ectospasm: I know. I was responding to
sideup66 first.
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517[03:02:09] <missmbob> !optimus
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518[03:02:09] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the
laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and
<wheezy-backports>.
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521[03:02:25] <ksft> I've had a lot of trouble with it.
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523[03:02:33] <ksft> I want to make sure I set it up right.
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524[03:02:44] <missmbob> so has everyone else. read what the bot
said
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525[03:02:53] <ksft> I did
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528[03:03:14] <ksft> I need a proprietary driver installed to
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530[03:03:58] <missmbob> ksft i dont know what you did. you can
use propietary with
sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus
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531[03:04:08] <missmbob> the wiki really covers it
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533[03:04:31] <winsen> Hi all, can you please how many users can
Debian server bear for local service and/or webservice?
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534[03:04:57] <winsen> *can you please tell me...
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535[03:05:06] <missmbob> winsen: no
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537[03:06:16] <klys> winsen, openldap + pam-ldap may support a
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538[03:06:52] <missmbob> depends entirely what
he's/she's talking about. no info no idea.
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539[03:07:19] <ksft> "[ERROR]You've no permission to
communicate with the Bumblebee daemon. Try adding yourself to the
'bumblebee' group"
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540[03:07:22] <ksft> "[ERROR]Could not connect to bumblebee
daemon - is it running?"
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543[03:07:41] <ksft> I am in the bumblebee group
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544[03:07:51] <missmbob> ksft: so add yourself to bumblebee and
then log out and back in for it to take effect
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545[03:07:54] <ksft> oh--I should try logging out and logging
back in
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546[03:07:58] <missmbob> ksft: yes
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547[03:08:03] <ksft> d/quit
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548[03:08:06] <ksft> oops
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551[03:09:08] <missmbob> where's my Tom012 ? i need to tag
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553[03:09:21] <ksft> "[ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU -
error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card1: failed to set DRM interface
version 1.4: Permission denied"
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554[03:09:23] <ksft> "[ERROR]Aborting because fallback
start is disabled."
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555[03:10:36] <ksft> oh, it's on that page
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556[03:10:54] <missmbob> that's why i linked you to it :P
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563[03:12:26] <ksft> tried what it said there
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564[03:12:28] <ksft> didn't work
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597[03:21:03] <rawf> Hey I'm really freaked out. I
completely reformated my laptop and gave it a new hostname, but now
it has some how restored the previous hostname on its own! I'm
using the entire HDD for an encrypted partition, so I don't
understand where this could have come from!
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601[03:22:45] <OerHeks> rawf, did you change it in 2 places ??
/etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
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609[03:25:39] <rawf> OerHeks: The harddrive was completely
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611[03:26:07] <RoyK> rawf: something in nds?
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612[03:26:11] <RoyK> DNS
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614[03:26:42] <OerHeks> oh my bad, didn't read it right.
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615[03:26:47] <rawf> hmm. both of those files still read the new
hostname
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616[03:27:09] <rawf> yet my "$HOST" variable is the
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617[03:27:19] <rawf> a DNS server can overwrite my hostname?
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619[03:27:44] <RoyK> depends on the config - sometimes the host
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620[03:27:50] <RoyK> with dhcp
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628[03:31:12] <rawf> RoyK: do you know what configuration that
would be under?
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655[03:46:11] <missmbob> are idepads as good as thinkpads as far
as linux compatibility is concerned?
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657[03:46:25] <missmbob> never had an ideapad
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663[03:49:49] <missmbob> rawf: you're having hostnames
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replaced-url
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674[03:56:55] <random_numbers> How are these seemingly
standardized manuals we see for a lot of programs generated?
example:
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712[04:20:33] <Epakai> random_numbers: view source, see <meta
name="Generator" content="makeinfo">,
makeinfo is a part of texinfo package
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714[04:21:43] <random_numbers> Hm. Wouldn't have thought to
check the source, despite how obvious that is in hindsight. Thanks.
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716[04:22:20] <naptastic> hey, I know this is a weird question,
but if I want to apt-get install the Debian-provided kernel,
what's the name of it? There's currently no kernel
installed on this system. (Yes, really. I'm chrooted in.)
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721[04:24:30] <klys> naptastic, see the packages in
replaced-url
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725[04:25:04] <missmbob> naptastic: we need to see your
sources.list and what apt-get command you tried plus output
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730[04:25:31] <random_numbers> Anyone has tried converting LaTeX
to texinfo using pandoc?
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731[04:25:45] <missmbob> naptastic: and apt-cache policy.
pastebin all of that to paste.debian.net
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742[04:35:48] <naptastic> klys, that's exactly what I
needed. Thanks!
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768[04:56:15] <winsen> Hi all
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769[04:56:19] <winsen> anybody home?
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784[05:02:30] <awal1> winsen, do you have any debian related
question?
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788[05:04:42] <winsen> awal1: yes, can you tell me what is the
lastest microkernel debian version and what is its life span?
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794[05:06:49] <winsen> awal1: wha is the difference between GNU
Hurd version and debianGNU/hurd?
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795[05:07:13] <winsen> awal1: are you still there?
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799[05:08:33] <awal1> winsen, debian wiki have several entries
about all that
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802[05:09:53] <awal1> debian
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803[05:10:25] <winsen> awal1: you didn't really reply to my
question.
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805[05:12:32] <awal1> winsen, if you are looking for a magistral
class about gnu hurd and debian gnu hurd project, I'm the wrong
person
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807[05:16:27] <awal1> !hurd
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808[05:16:27] <dpkg> GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing
Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on
the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for
the Unix kernel.
replaced-url
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809[05:17:03] <awal1> winsen, ^
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810[05:17:22] <winsen> awal1: do you know how to downgrade from
Jessie V to Wheezy?
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811[05:17:43] <ryouma> magistral?
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812[05:18:11] <awal1> winsen, downgrades are not supported in
debian as I know
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813[05:18:47] <winsen> awal1: no worries, I'll make
research about my first question "course":)
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815[05:19:08] <winsen> awal1: really?
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818[05:20:28] <awal1> winsen, wheezy is the old stable release.
you can try downgrading all your jessie system to wheezy; you may
achieve that in 1 year :P :D
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820[05:21:23] <winsen> awal1: can you tell me where did you see
that information?
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821[05:21:35] <awal1> which info?
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823[05:22:53] <winsen> awal1: i mean about debian wheezy life
span?
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829[05:25:57] <awal1> easily googlable
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834[05:27:47] <winsen> awal1: Ok. I am very tired. I have to go
bed. Heve a good nigh. Thanks
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842[05:39:33] <hk238> hello
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844[05:39:48] <hk238> I've a bit of a problem `/` disk ran
out of space
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846[05:40:04] <hk238> I copied some stuff on the desktop, but it
was located in user/Desktop
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847[05:40:12] <Anselmo> can you delete things in /var/cache/. .
.
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848[05:40:16] <hk238> I mean sorry user_name/Desktop
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850[05:40:21] <Anselmo> where package's are downloaded
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852[05:40:29] <hk238> I'll check that out thx
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853[05:40:34] <Anselmo> if /var is in root anyway
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854[05:41:26] <hk238> so the problem I'm having is that I
was trying to put stuff on the /home disk, but ended up running out
of space on /
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855[05:41:34] <Anselmo> oo
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856[05:41:35] <Anselmo> hunh
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857[05:42:01] <Anselmo> so was it being copied not into home?
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858[05:42:02] <hk238> does it create copie son /root or
somtehing? is the Desktop location somehow special? :d
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859[05:42:44] <Anselmo> well, if you were copiying as root it
could have put stuff into /root from a ~/
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860[05:43:01] <Anselmo> like cp /mnt/file.file ~/
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863[05:44:07] <hk238> Any idea what `mrs` is? on var/lib/mrs
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865[05:44:52] <hk238> I cant open te root folder I think
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866[05:45:29] <Anselmo> is it your machine?
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867[05:45:57] <hk238> yeah but I couldnt sign onto debian
anymore due to some error, which I think is due to there being no
free space
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868[05:46:15] <hk238> so I signed onto Mint, which is second
distro on the same computer
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869[05:46:21] <hk238> so I can look at the files, except for
root folder
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870[05:46:37] <Anselmo> well, do you have sudo on mint?
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871[05:46:41] <hk238> I'm not sure about this Desktop issue
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872[05:46:44] <hk238> yeah I do
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873[05:46:51] <Anselmo> just do sudo -i and get a root terminal
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874[05:46:53] <hk238> I mean it might not be like I thought it
was
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875[05:47:00] <Anselmo> ooh ok
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877[05:47:16] <hk238> well let's see
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879[05:49:00] <hk238> hmm maybe I just didnt allocate enough
space for `/` , does 48 GB sound too little? I was coincidentially
copying about 40GB of files onto the desktop when this problem
occurred
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882[05:49:12] <hk238> so it seemed natural to assume that was
the case
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883[05:49:44] <Anselmo> I have a lot more space
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885[05:50:00] <hk238> :D
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889[05:50:23] <hk238> I have a 500GB disk, I allocated 48GB for
debian / and 200GB for debian /home
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890[05:50:47] <hk238> it seems that /usr and /var take up 44 GB
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891[05:50:54] <Anselmo> haha
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892[05:51:02] <Anselmo> can you reinstall without much
disruption?
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893[05:51:05] <hk238> but in var it's not cache, just /lib
which is 16GB
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895[05:51:20] <hk238> I guess I could
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897[05:51:50] <hk238> on this mint I have even less space though
:D
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898[05:52:01] <hk238> it's 32 GB on / and 65 on /home I
think
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899[05:52:22] <hk238> so it was a bit of a surprise, is it
normal though that this kind of thing happens? :o
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901[05:53:02] <Anselmo> well, I am not used to installing mint
and similar
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902[05:53:18] <Anselmo> dual booting makes stuff tight though,
in my experience
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904[05:54:29] <hk238> so there's this thing called `mrs`
that takes 16GB , usr/share is 15 GB
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906[05:55:13] <Anselmo> well, I don't have that,
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907[05:55:19] <Anselmo> but I am not on debain at the moment
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909[05:55:36] <Anselmo> can you look for what put it there?
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910[05:55:37] <Anselmo> or like
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911[05:55:39] <Anselmo> man mrs
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912[05:55:41] <Anselmo> ?
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913[05:55:43] <hk238> yeah I tried googling, at first look it
seems like it's related to amd64
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916[05:56:05] <hk238>
replaced-url
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917[05:56:10] <hk238> or alternatively it's just the
package version
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921[05:56:21] <hk238> oh now I know
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923[05:56:53] <hk238> when I was installing debian i ticked some
boxes like `science` and didnt really pay too much attention
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925[05:57:15] <Anselmo> well, that can make things install that
you don't want pretty fast. . .
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926[05:57:16] <hk238> so apparently this stuff is pretty bulky,
and this 16 GB has something to do with proteins?
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927[05:57:25] <Anselmo> XD
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928[05:57:32] <Anselmo> do you need proteins?
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929[05:57:40] <hk238> D :
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931[05:57:55] <hk238> I dont know I'll delete the mrs
folder
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932[05:58:10] <hk238> if it starts then fine, if doesnt,
I'll reinstall. Gotta figure out how to remove those packages
too
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933[05:58:13] <Anselmo> #apt-get remove mrs
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934[05:58:14] <Anselmo> ?
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935[05:58:43] <hk238> 4GB of documentation
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936[05:58:49] <hk238> I thuoght you can have an OS in that space
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937[05:58:50] <hk238> :D
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938[05:58:55] <Anselmo> hehe
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939[05:59:04] <Anselmo> well
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940[05:59:15] <Anselmo> next time, be more careful in your
installing
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941[05:59:54] <Anselmo> :P
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942[06:00:03] <hk238> I'm not sure if that's the
explanation (yet)
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943[06:00:09] <Anselmo> hunh
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945[06:00:26] <hk238> but let's see
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947[06:00:33] <Anselmo> o
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952[06:03:44] <appas> hey, i'm getting "mpv: error
while loading shared libraries: libavfilter-ffmpeg.so.5: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory". mpv installed
from the apt repos; libavfilter-ffmpeg5 is Status: deinstall ok
config-files. what to do?
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953[06:03:46] <hk238> logged on debian now. I don't know
how I can continue without that protein folder I didn't know I
had
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954[06:03:47] <hk238> :D
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955[06:04:18] <hk238> pun intended
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963[06:09:52] <Anselmo> ha
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964[06:09:59] <Anselmo> well,
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965[06:10:14] <Anselmo> you can unistall and redo it all with
repartitioning
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966[06:10:22] <Anselmo> or try to uninstall things
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968[06:10:27] <Anselmo> or so it seems to me
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972[06:12:52] <hk238> yeah I think it should be fine,
there's a whole bunch of stuff that came with the install, but
could just as well be in home, so maybe i'll uninstall them..
If I know how to
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977[06:13:33] <Anselmo> so long as it works
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1068[07:15:16] <mtcj> Do Debian package maintainers ever attempt
to split security patches out of feature patches for software they
package?
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1070[07:15:38] <mtcj> For software that releases both features
and fixes in the same updates.
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1079[07:20:13] <Gryllida> mtcj: are security patches meant to be
included in backports, and "everything" meant to be
included in an update as long as it fixes important bugs?
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1082[07:20:45] <Gryllida> mtcj: if you don't like new
features, I would probably suggest to stay on oldoldstable
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1113[07:44:30] <mtcj> I don't mind having updates that
include features. I was curious if that kind of work was put into
separating the two.
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1114[07:44:39] <mtcj> Not work I'd envy.
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1118[07:47:44] <Guest65769> I have an external HDD, which
probably lost connect while RW operation...and now i get this error:
replaced-url
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1119[07:47:51] <Guest65769> how do i resolve this error ?
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1122[07:49:13] <mtcj> You could run the command on Windows or
find an equivalent option that will work under Debian
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1123[07:49:32] <OerHeks> ntfsfix /dev/sdc1
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1124[07:49:41] <Guest65769> hmm
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1125[07:50:02] <OerHeks> ntfsfix is part of the ntfs-3g package
iirc
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1126[07:50:02] <Guest65769> thanks OerHeks
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1128[07:50:09] <mtcj> I had an NTFS volume that wouldn't let
me write to it until I used ntfsfix
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1130[07:50:34] <mtcj> I don't know if it negatively affects
Windows usage
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1131[07:51:13] <Guest65769> mtcj: i don't have windows..so
that's a non-issue ¯\__(ツ)__/¯ï»¿
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1132[07:51:23] <mtcj> OK it was the same for me
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1133[07:51:35] <Guest65769> :D
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1159[08:07:28] <mtcj> I found myself unable to log into my
Windows machine so I switched it to Debian
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1161[08:07:43] <mtcj> After using a Live CD and being happy with
it
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1162[08:08:38] <mtcj> I only have one issue with it, my
controller won't go to sleep while paired with it (draining
battery) and while it's not sleeping my monitor won't
power down automatically.
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1163[08:09:20] <mtcj> And an adapter I have that will allow it to
sleep causes erratic behavior in my media center prgram, Kodi.
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1164[08:09:31] <jvava> i have install libvirt0 (version:
1.2.9-9+deb8u3), now i have to install libvirt-dev which request
libvirt (but versison is 1.2.9-9+deb8u2), how to do, i dare not
uninstall all libvert and etc
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1166[08:10:05] <mtcj> Does installing libvert by name work?
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1167[08:10:26] <mtcj> With the correct spelling that we both
messed up lol
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1168[08:10:30] <jvava> mtcj, what means
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1171[08:10:44] <mtcj> apt-get install libvirt
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1173[08:10:52] <mtcj> And see if that's a valid package
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1174[08:11:57] <mtcj> It's not. Strange
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1175[08:12:06] <jvava> mtcj, i just now try apt-get install
libvirt, console report no package found
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1177[08:12:48] <mtcj> It appears to me that libvirt requires
libvirt0
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1178[08:13:05] <mtcj> So it should be fine to just install
libvirt-dev
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1179[08:13:29] <jvava> yes, apt-get install libvirt0, display
installed already.
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1180[08:13:33] <tacocat> the actual package should be named
libvirt0 - there's nothing called "libvirt" as far as
i can tell
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1181[08:13:40] <mtcj> My first message should have said
libvirt-dev requires libvirt0
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1183[08:14:16] <jvava> but install libvirt-dev fail, it demand a
older libvirt0 than one installed
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1184[08:14:17] <tacocat> if you install libvirt-dev, it'll
automatically install libvirt0 as a dependency
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1185[08:14:38] <mtcj> Oh OK it's asking for an older version
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1186[08:14:52] <tacocat> looks like some version mismatch. can
you try 'apt-get update' first
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1188[08:15:26] <jvava> i did, but i banning some source because
gfw
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1192[08:16:25] <mtcj> I don't have a version issue
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u2
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1195[08:16:55] <tacocat> one is from security
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1196[08:16:56] <mtcj> It still allows the install in simulation
mode.
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1197[08:17:32] <jvava> tacocat, i remove the security source
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1198[08:17:43] <tacocat> why?
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1199[08:17:51] <jvava> because seems i cant access it now
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1200[08:17:55] <tacocat> o_O
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1202[08:18:07] <tacocat> if you do that, you're preventing
yourself from getting timely security updates
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1203[08:18:11] <mtcj> And in reality it also installs
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1205[08:18:30] <mtcj> So maybe due to not having security?
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1209[08:20:02] <jvava> im try restore security source
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1212[08:20:17] <tacocat> if you have libvirt 1.2.9-9+deb8u3 from
security installed, but remove that repo, libvirt-dev will be stuck
on 1.2.9-9+deb8u2
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1213[08:20:21] <mtcj> If you remove security from your sources
will Debian allow you to install versions from it even though
apt-get update doesn't update the local cache for that repo?
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1214[08:20:52] <tacocat> libvirt-dev 1.2.9-9+deb8u2 will try to
pull in libvirt0 1.2.9-9+deb8u2 (requires same version), but apt
doesn't allow downgrading automatically
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1215[08:21:08] <tacocat> your best choice would be to fix your
connection to security.
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1216[08:21:39] <tacocat> temporarily something like 'apt-get
install libvirt-dev libvirt0/jessie' might work, to force apt
to use 1.2.9-9+deb8u2 for everything livirt
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1217[08:21:42] <tacocat> libvirt, that is
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1218[08:22:08] <jvava> yes, i have installed libvirt-dev, after i
restore the security source
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1219[08:22:21] <jvava> than you all
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1220[08:22:22] <mtcj> And btw scratch my previous comments that
u3 and u2 installed. I was incorrect, u3 for both was installe
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1221[08:22:33] <mtcj> So mystery solved
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1222[08:22:38] <jvava> thank you all
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1226[08:25:14] <Drzacek> Hi. I tried installing debian to CF Card
yesterday, but it looks like it doesn't boot from that card.
Are there some extra steps needed to make it bootable? I installed
grub to that card also
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1234[08:27:03] <mtcj> Has some info on that
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1241[08:28:43] <mtcj> It looks like the general process is to
boot to USB and install on the CF using the device
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1243[08:29:26] <mtcj> Is that what you did and what failed to
boot?
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1245[08:29:52] <Drzacek> I just run normal installation and
choose my CF card (in card reader over USB) and installed it there
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1246[08:30:05] <Drzacek> But I don't use any alix-thingy,
just normal x86 pc
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1247[08:30:43] <mtcj> OK I don't think what I mentioned
helps then, I had thought maybe you copied files to the card and
that didn't work
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1249[08:31:38] <Drzacek> Maybe the partition is wrong? It is
single ext4 partition, but I tried earlier with ext2 for /boot
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1252[08:32:16] <mtcj> Did the separate ext2 /boot work?
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1254[08:32:48] <Drzacek> nope
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1255[08:32:54] <mtcj> Ok
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1256[08:33:01] <Drzacek> Now I think, maybe it should be just
fat?
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1257[08:33:34] <mtcj> You can try it. That's not a question
I can answer for sure
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1258[08:34:11] <Drzacek> Too bad it takes so much time to install
on flash card. Was over 1hour for each try
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1259[08:34:18] <mtcj> Yeah
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1261[08:34:45] <mtcj> Maybe you can try emulating the installs
for testing purposes
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1262[08:34:51] <mtcj> I think that'd be fast
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1265[08:37:23] <no_gravity> Is there a debian version with PHP 7
in the repos?
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1266[08:37:26] <Drzacek> I would like to just install it, set it
up until it works, then create an image and use that image later
instead - writing image is a lot faster
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1271[08:43:33] <mtcj> no_gravity: Sid and testing do
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1272[08:44:02] <mtcj> And you can use a third party repo that
says it has a package for Jessie
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1275[08:44:23] <no_gravity> mtcj: Ok, let me search testing..
What is sid?
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1276[08:44:43] <no_gravity> Debian 9?
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1277[08:45:38] <no_gravity> I see it seems to be an alternative
name for "unstable".
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1278[08:46:47] <mtcj> Google php7 on Debian to learn more about
the third party repo if you want to know about that option
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1283[08:50:30] <no_gravity> mtcj: I was just curious in which
Debian version it is.
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1288[08:53:04] <no_gravity> It ships with Ubuntu 16.04. I
wasn't sure what Debian they based that version on.
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1290[08:54:28] <no_gravity> Looks like they based it on unstable.
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1296[08:57:28] <no_gravity> This means they can not rely on
Debian issuing security patches?
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1307[09:03:15] <tacocat> no_gravity: ubuntu typically pulls
packages from debian unstable before they freeze and release. they
have their own security team too, and xenial's php7 has had
some security uploads itself
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1314[09:07:08] <no_gravity> tacocat: Interesting. So they put
quite a lot of work into this. Not just "Ship Debian with
non-free drivers and custom graphics".
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1315[09:08:52] <tacocat> ..i know right?
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1316[09:08:59] <no_gravity> Looks like they are still not
profitable.
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1317[09:09:30] <no_gravity> Wonder what revenue they make. Last
number I see is from 2013 and was $66m.
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1320[09:11:30] <tacocat> better than nothing?
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1322[09:11:54] <no_gravity> To me the main idea when Ubuntu
launched was "Ship Debian with non-free drivers" and
seemed pretty much genius. Becuase installing the drivers was the
huge pain point that kept people from using Linux.
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1329[09:12:31] <no_gravity> And it worked.
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1331[09:12:45] <no_gravity> Interesting that they still invest in
growth, more then 10 years later.
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1333[09:13:10] <no_gravity> tacocat: Well, they spend more then
that.
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1347[09:21:06] <tvm> i'm doing some assignment and
there's "harden the root fs" task. What could i
possibly do besides mounting the root read-only ?
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1372[09:38:43] <mtcj> One example is to check for file changes.
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1373[09:39:07] <no_gravity> tvm: Harden against what?
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1374[09:39:24] <dearfibonacci> hello. i'm developing a qt
application which communicates through serial port with a scanner,
but the communication sometimes delays about 3min... ideas why?
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1381[09:41:40] <tvm> no_gravity: "basic security privileges
for root fs" - i wonder what could that mean myself
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1383[09:41:58] <no_gravity> tvm: Where does that instruction come
from?
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1387[09:44:16] <tvm> no_gravity: some weird "exercise"
i got in a new job, i will probably just ask them what they mean
with that, because I'm not able to pinpoint what should i do
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1388[09:44:37] <no_gravity> tvm: Break free!
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1392[09:46:40] <tvm> i'll ignore it for now, now to set up
all this apache/balancer stuff
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1401[09:52:22] <Geom`> Hi. quck Q… issue on ubuntu kernel
also reflects in debian?
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1403[09:53:20] <no_gravity> Geom`: What do you mean?
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1416[10:02:17] <trojanski> ola people, as it's hard to find
old ISO versions I'm downloading them from randomly found
websites and ftps. Now I want to verify them with checksum, is there
a way to find a checksum file for each release from official website
? thanks
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1417[10:02:39] <no_gravity> trojanski: What do you do with them?
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1418[10:02:51] <trojanski> no_gravity: with ISOs ?
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1419[10:02:57] <no_gravity> trojanski: yup
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1420[10:03:10] <trojanski> no_gravity: installing debian )
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1422[10:03:51] <trojanski> no_gravity: we have a software that
needs to be tested on each version
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1423[10:04:00] <no_gravity> trojanski: I see.
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1427[10:06:07] <trojanski> no_gravity: I don't see what I
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1428[10:06:22] <trojanski> missing MD5SUM
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1432[10:07:20] <no_gravity> trojanski: No idea. I was just
curious if debian.org has an archive of old versions.
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1434[10:08:14] <trojanski> it has only jidgo files where I need
to spend couple of days just to download and make ISO of all that
images
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1439[10:09:21] <Geom`> no_gravity sorry for thas late reply.
speaker was off…. i was reffering this old threrad as its
still happening with ubuntu.. planning top test it on debian
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1440[10:10:34] <no_gravity> Geom`: Sorry, I don't know.
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1444[10:11:10] <Geom`> no_gravity no worries… thanks!
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variable when it contains a prefix like linkinga library -L ,
usuaally it's colon between paths, but that isn't working.
do i rpeat the prefix -L between ? what goes where i have the ??????
LDPATH="-L$HOME/lib?????$/usr/share/lib"
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1496[10:46:40] <LostSoul> Hi
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1497[10:46:53] <LostSoul> I entered single mode or rather
init=/bin/bash
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1498[10:47:03] <LostSoul> But now I can't reboot system
normally as I get:
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1499[10:47:18] <LostSoul> failed to talk to init daemon - any tip
how to reboot this machine in gentle way?
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1500[10:48:08] <petn-randall> LostSoul: There's no gentle
way. I just run 'sync' and then hard reboot. You
don't have any processes running besides bash, anyway.
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1509[10:53:30] <LostSoul> true, thanks petn-randall
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1519[10:59:26] <petn-randall> LostSoul: if you add
'emergency' or '1' to the kernel parameter line,
it should boot into emergency mode that also allows clean rebooting.
But that doesn't help if you lost your root password. ;)
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1573[11:34:59] <dcpc007> hi, i'm trying config
apt-cacher-ng, i found that there is approx (or apt-proxy) for the
same purpose. what are the differencies to chosse between them ?
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1574[11:35:12] <dcpc007> in dscription, they seem very similar
all
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1576[11:35:30] <dcpc007> simple config, cache, proxy,..
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1578[11:37:08] <petn-randall> dcpc007: They are tools to solve
the same problem, but differ in the way they are configured, and
maybe there are even performance differences. Pick the one you
prefer more.
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1581[11:37:35] <dcpc007> i don't know both :) just starting
install from a tuto
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1583[11:37:53] <themill> whether you need to rewrite your
sources.list is one of the differences, for instance (you don't
for apt-cacher-ng)
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1584[11:38:12] <dcpc007> i have error sometimes with apticron , i
think it's because too many servers try to connect in the same
time
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1586[11:38:44] <dcpc007> the internet load is not big (update +
only apply security patch is not heavy load, even for thenth
servers)
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1587[11:39:17] <dcpc007> ha ok cool, because no real tool for
mass config (cloned VM)
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1600[11:45:15] <bitchsnitch> What debian version is best for
linux newbies?
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1601[11:45:40] <vlt> Are there versions?
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1602[11:45:55] <bitchsnitch> I don't know
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1604[11:46:14] <petn-randall> bitchsnitch: The latest stable
version.
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1605[11:46:42] <bitchsnitch> Ok thnx
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1623[12:02:58] <Eightynine> I have just started system and when I
pressed menu button in Gnome menu my system stuck for a few seconds
and didn't open menu. I clicked again and Gnome said "Oh
no. Something gone wrong". After restarting Gnome dock
disappeared. I had Dash to Dock plugin and seems like it turned off.
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1629[12:04:30] <Dinosaurio> hey guys, I've a problem, maybe
one of you could tell me how to solve it. I want to open this
document
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1637[12:07:41] <themill> Dinosaurio: acroread from
deb-multimedia.org can open the file.... It's one of those
lovely PDF forms full of javascript and other goodness by the looks
of it
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1641[12:08:12] <themill> Dinosaurio: you might want to make sure
you don't get other crap from deb-multimedia.org installed;
/msg dpkg dmm pinning
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1654[12:12:56] <Dinosaurio> themill: okay, let's try it
then, ty
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1662[12:15:43] <petn-randall> bitchsnitch: If you rely on wifi
during installation, I recommend using the firmware installer.
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1663[12:15:46] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
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1664[12:15:47] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
replaced-url
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1674[12:22:41] <CipherZero> -su: curl: command not found
<— what’s wrong?
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1676[12:23:00] <missmbob> it's not default. sudo apt-get
install curl
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1677[12:23:10] <CipherZero> not default :(
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1678[12:23:11] <CipherZero> thanks
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1684[12:24:54] <Jess1e> hi there, I'd like to try compile
the latest kernel, and compile a power module driver called axp288,
'/lib/modules/3.19.0-25-generic-lpae/kernel/drivers/iio/adc/axp288_adc.ko'
but I can't find this option in menuconfig
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1685[12:25:08] <toogley> where can i find information about how
long will debian jessie be supported by security updates? i
can't find it on debian.org
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1687[12:26:09] <Jess1e> IIO belongs which part?
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1696[12:29:39] <umbaman> guys
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1697[12:30:07] <umbaman> I have to debian 8 machines ... in
between them there is the INTERNET...
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1699[12:30:38] <umbaman> how can I connect them
securelly(Teamviewer kind of solution)
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1700[12:30:39] <umbaman> ?
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1705[12:32:59] <Jess1e> umbaman: vnc
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1706[12:33:12] <Jess1e> umbaman: tigervnc or ssh
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1707[12:33:21] <umbaman> which one is safer?
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1708[12:33:43] <Jess1e> I don't know, ssh maybe
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1710[12:33:46] <umbaman> ok
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1711[12:33:52] <missmbob> chrome remote
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1712[12:33:56] <missmbob> so many ways
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1713[12:34:14] <Jess1e> by the way, ssh can use Xorg :)
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1715[12:34:21] <missmbob> Jess1e: ssh is definitely more secure
than vnc
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1718[12:34:35] <umbaman> i want the safest... because one of the
machines exists in a network with sensitive information
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1720[12:34:55] <missmbob> umbaman: ssh. and maybe mosh depending.
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1721[12:34:58] <umbaman> ok
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1722[12:35:00] <binaryc> need full desktop or just one X
application ?
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1724[12:35:20] <Jess1e> umbaman: do you need X apps?
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1725[12:36:05] <umbaman> full files system access, but not
nexessarily X
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1726[12:36:33] <Jess1e> umbaman: then ssh is better I think
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1727[12:36:35] <missmbob> umbaman: keep sshfs in mind too
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1729[12:37:04] <umbaman> ok perfetc
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1730[12:37:07] <umbaman> perfect
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1737[12:38:18] <Jess1e> is there anybody can help about a module
called axp288?
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1738[12:38:34] <umbaman> thank a lot... do you have any
guidelines to point me to?? no need for you to google...
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1739[12:38:38] <Jess1e> it's a power driver stuff
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1741[12:38:45] <umbaman> just asking for something to start from
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1745[12:40:10] <Jess1e> umbaman: try `systemd start sshd` on the
server, and ssh connect it from client
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1748[12:40:51] <Jess1e> `ssh username@server-ip -p server-port`
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1753[12:42:29] <umbaman> Jess1e: they are on the same network
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1756[12:43:09] <Jess1e> umbaman: same ip address?
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1757[12:43:09] <umbaman> Jess1e: I will google it... thanks a lot
for you time
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1758[12:44:41] <umbaman> oups..!!!
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1759[12:44:47] <Jess1e> umbaman: if you just want it as a file
server, ftp maybe is a good choice
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1760[12:44:54] <umbaman> I meant that they are not on the same
network
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1761[12:45:41] <Jess1e> just share files you know, ftp is better
choice
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1762[12:45:46] <umbaman>
pc1---router1-----Internet-------router2---pc2
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1766[12:46:07] <umbaman> no i want complete file system access
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1768[12:46:13] <Jess1e> umbaman: are they in one LAN?
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1769[12:46:27] <umbaman> no they are not Jess1e
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1772[12:47:59] <Jess1e> umbaman: did they have unique public ip?
I mean they don't share public ip with other computers?
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1774[12:48:25] <Jess1e> if they don't, then you have to set
NAT on the router I think
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1779[12:50:23] <umbaman> Jess1e: I am not sure about that. I am
under the impression the router is connected to the internet and the
macines behind see the router as their gateway
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1782[12:50:57] <umbaman> will two different machines connected to
the same router, have different publix IPs?
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1786[12:52:37] <angor> umbaman: read about NAT. you'll need
to have 2 diff public IPs to do that
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1788[12:52:44] <umbaman> ok
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1789[12:53:02] <Eightynine> I'm using Debian with Gnome 3.14
and Firefox 45 and have lags on YouTube. Why?
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1790[12:53:07] <angor> and, +1 for the router
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1792[12:54:07] <CipherZero> how can i inatall tftp server on
debian?
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1795[12:54:56] <missmbob> Eightynine: probably because
you're running wheezy which is really old. upgrae
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1796[12:55:08] <missmbob> Eightynine: jessie has 3.31
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1799[12:55:38] <Eightynine> I'm using Jessie 8.5
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1800[12:55:51] <missmbob> Eightynine: not if you claim to have
gnome 3.14 you're not
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1801[12:56:07] <missmbob> ,v task-gnome-desktop
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1802[12:56:08] <judd> Package: task-gnome-desktop on amd64 --
wheezy: 3.14.1; jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.35; sid: 3.35
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1803[12:56:14] <missmbob> yep, wheezy
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1805[12:56:48] <Eightynine> But 3.31 is beta, right? Fedora has
3.20
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1806[12:56:54] <missmbob> Eightynine: no
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1809[12:57:29] <missmbob> jessie is stable. it has 3.31. period.
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1810[12:57:46] <Eightynine> lsb_release -a
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1811[12:57:48] <Eightynine> No LSB modules are available.
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1812[12:57:50] <Eightynine> Distributor ID: Debian
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1813[12:57:52] <Eightynine> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.5
(jessie)
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1814[12:57:54] <Eightynine> Release: 8.5
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1816[12:57:56] <Eightynine> Codename: jessie
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1817[12:57:59] <missmbob> i really dont care what it says
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1818[12:58:11] <missmbob> a lot of things can alter it. having
some jessie packages, etc
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1819[12:58:20] <themill> missmbob: what are you asserting this on
btw?
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1821[12:58:37] <Eightynine> I mean I have Jessie but Gnome is
old. And I have no updates when I check.
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1824[12:59:24] <themill> Eightynine: packages in jessie
won't be changing -- gnome in jessie will always be version
3.14
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1825[12:59:45] <Eightynine> And how can I install newer version?
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1828[13:00:27] <themill> You could decide to run stretch if
that's what you really want.
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RLM unicode character without pressing Alt+0xxxx?
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1896[13:30:33] <hexadecimal> hello
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1898[13:30:49] <RoyK> ho
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1902[13:31:56] <hicks_> themill: 3.14? aptitude shows it as 3.31
here (i'm on jessie)
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1921[13:40:44] <umbaman> thanks a lot angor
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1932[13:48:28] <paludo> Hey guys, I'm having problems to
remove fglrx on jessie, here's the error I get
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1934[13:48:46] <stuv> hi all, i've a trouble here: i've
an onboard sound card and one from my geforce card, how can i set
which soundcard is used ?
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1937[13:49:35] <stuv> i buyed a renkforce 5.1 sourcecard to
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1938[13:49:48] <themill> hicks_: you need to look at the right
package
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1940[13:49:52] <stuv> can someone please help he getting my 5.1
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1941[13:49:57] <umbaman> paludo: I suggest you use aptitude
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1943[13:50:27] <paludo> umbaman: I tried that too, same error..
it seems something is broken on dpkg
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1944[13:50:58] <hicks_> themill: I thought he was saying
task-gnome-desktop for him was showing 3.14 yet he's on jessie,
which should be 3.31? or I have i got the wrong end of the stick?
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1945[13:51:50] <paludo> umbaman:
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1946[13:52:19] <themill> hicks_: the version of gnome was the
question
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1948[13:52:33] <hicks_> ah
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1950[13:53:10] <umbaman> paludo:
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1956[13:54:38] <umbaman> paludo:
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1957[13:55:43] <umbaman> nothing more I can do
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1959[13:56:38] <paludo> umbaman: yep, the problem is that
isn't installed I guess... dpkg: warning: ignoring request to
remove flgrx-driver which isn't installed
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1960[13:56:53] <umbaman> ok
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1963[13:57:39] <paludo> umbaman: I tried to solve here, seems
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2019[14:21:27] <notmyselftoday> I don't know if this will
get me banned, but at least it's for a good cause, or what I
believe is a good cause. Long story short, I'm asking for
money. The people at riseup.net are running out of money next month,
they give free email, vpn and more to activists. If you value what
they do, just a dollar or two is enough. That's it, I
won't repeat this message not to flood.
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2073[14:45:20] <stuv> i all, i have troubles to setup which
soundcard i want to use to have 5.1 sound cards, i've buyed a
rekforce card but it doesn't seems to work :(
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2074[14:45:44] <stuv> is this a configuraiton problem or do i
need a new soundcard
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2075[14:45:58] <stuv> i want to disable all soundcard beside of
the new one
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2076[14:46:17] <stuv> i allready played around to get the sound
working for now a few weeks
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2079[14:46:28] <stuv> i really need help
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2085[14:48:23] <umbaman> I'll try to help but I am no expert
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2087[14:48:53] <umbaman> stuv: have you tried googling <your
sound card> + linux ?
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2099[14:54:18] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
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2100[14:54:39] <goldkatze> Where to find the .deb file
corresponding to
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2103[14:55:29] <petn-randall> ,v gajim-omemo
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2104[14:55:30] <judd> No package named 'gajim-omemo'
was found in amd64.
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2105[14:55:33] <missmbob>
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2107[14:56:40] <goldkatze> missmbob: Thanks :-)
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2108[14:56:49] <goldkatze> Though, that's not quite it :-)
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2113[14:58:06] <missmbob> goldkatze: you really want the old one?
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2116[14:58:15] <goldkatze> petn-randall: What does that infopage
I linked to correspond to, anyway? That a package has been made,
uploaded, and is now waiting to be moved to sid?
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2117[14:58:24] <goldkatze> missmbob: Neither, I want omemo
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2121[14:58:56] <goldkatze> missmbob: As in, you misread :)
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2127[15:03:21] <petn-randall> goldkatze: That's the NEW
queue, where people upload packages that usually end up in sid, yes.
It has to successfully build though, and with new packages it also
needs to be acknowleged by the ftp masters.
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2129[15:05:22] <RoyK> hm... I've enabled google
authenticator on this test VM and it works well unless I add my ssh
key to .ssh/authorized_keys - then it just skips google
authenticator - anyone that has an idea?
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2131[15:05:44] <goldkatze> petn-randall: If it builds
successfully, where will it end up next, before ftp master approval?
I want to grab it from within the process, so I can check it myself
and install manually, to speed things up for myself
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2132[15:06:08] <jelly> RoyK: isn't that how key-based auth
is supposed to work?
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2134[15:06:38] <jelly> if (key present and valid) {skip pam and
other methods}
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2135[15:06:41] <missmbob> RoyK: i have the same setup.
that's how it works
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2137[15:07:29] <RoyK> jelly: perhaps, but what I want, is
two-factor, either password og key *and* google autenticator
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2141[15:08:19] <RoyK> I followed the guide on
replaced-url
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2147[15:10:26] <jelly> ask the openssh people whether what you
want is possible at all without patches
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2148[15:10:42] <jelly> openssh-portable people, even
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2275[15:28:27] <jelly> RoyK: if you solve it maybe mention in
here as well, I'm somewhat interested
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2278[15:32:04] <RoyK> jelly: working on it - so far I've
gotten to somewhere where it requires key+password+google
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2285[15:32:50] <missmbob> RoyK: how'd you manage that?
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2288[15:33:17] <missmbob> RoyK: so it doesnt work with
password+google? it requires password as well, correct?
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2289[15:33:29] <missmbob> key* as well
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2296[15:35:05] <RoyK> missmbob: seems somehow I need to choose
between password+google or key+google
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2298[15:35:10] <RoyK> or the three of those
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2299[15:35:19] <RoyK> three-factor is rather safe :P
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2300[15:35:42] <missmbob> i'm just curious as to how you got
key+google
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2301[15:36:02] <RoyK> AuthenticationMethods
publickey,keyboard-interactive
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2302[15:36:09] <RoyK> then disable password auth
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2304[15:36:17] <RoyK> in pam
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2305[15:36:24] <RoyK> or so they say - haven't tested yet
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2306[15:36:59] <missmbob> oh. like jelly said let us know once
you've tested.
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2315[15:41:55] <Drzacek> I want to install debian to usb storage.
Do I have to do something special to make it bootable?
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2316[15:42:18] <RoyK> just dd the image to the usb thing
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2319[15:42:42] <Drzacek> RoyK, That's how I get my bootable
install medium
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2322[15:43:03] <Drzacek> Which I used to install the system to
other USB storage, but unfortunately - that won't boot
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2334[15:47:11] <RoyK> Drzacek: are you sure you installed grub on
the right disk_
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2335[15:47:12] <RoyK> ?
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2336[15:47:13] <SynrGy> Drzacek: did you install a boot loader on
the target USB?
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2338[15:48:02] <SynrGy> i.e. don't assume the installer will
default that for you
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2339[15:48:50] <OtakuSenpai> Drzacek, tried booting to it from
boot menu?
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2345[15:49:49] <Drzacek> I installed grub to my usb drive
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2348[15:50:29] <Drzacek> Installer asked to install grub to MBR,
I refused and told him to install to usb drive
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2349[15:50:50] <RoyK> missmbob: I found no way to allow for
(password|key)+google auth, but key+google works now
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2361[15:54:08] <hk238> So how can I uninstall stuff that I got
with tasksel or during installation?
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2362[15:54:16] <missmbob> apt-get remove foo
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2363[15:54:18] <hk238> I got a bunch of science files which take
up a lot of space
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2364[15:54:29] <hk238> I dont know what names are though :o
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2365[15:54:50] <missmbob> dpkg -l |grep ^i will tell you
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2366[15:54:50] <dpkg> ii |grep ^i will tell you 2.7-2.1 ultra
s3kr1t #debian package
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2367[15:54:53] <jelly> hk238: first look at dpkg -l task-\* |
grep ^.i
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2369[15:55:13] <jelly> hk238: then aptitude purge
task-you-dont-need
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2370[15:55:25] <hk238> hmm alright I'll try that :d
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2371[15:55:28] <missmbob> yeah but task wont remove stuff task
brought in
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2372[15:55:35] <jelly> what does :d mean, in this context?
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2373[15:55:46] <jelly> missmbob: yes it will.
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2375[15:56:04] <hk238> A smiley face I have a habit of adding, in
this case it's particularly meaningless
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2378[15:57:08] <hk238> So I guess Im not sure how Im supposed to
do this
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2379[15:57:09] <hk238> :D
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2381[15:57:56] <jelly> you could pastebin the output that shows
installed task- packages if unsure?
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2382[15:58:08] <hk238> there's no output
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2383[15:58:15] <hk238> it says `usage grep...`
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2384[15:58:16] <jelly> ha!
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2386[15:58:43] <jelly> perhaps your shell is picky. dpkg -l
task-\* | grep '^.i'
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2387[15:59:02] <hk238> oh I didnt include the last argument
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2390[15:59:27] <hk238> so it says here, gnome, kde, xfce, general
english environment, debian desktop
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2391[15:59:32] <hk238> but it doesnt contain the science thing
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2393[15:59:47] <jelly> you may have already removed it
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2395[16:00:09] <hk238> I deleted one part of it
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2397[16:00:19] <hk238> it was a protein database or something
that took 16GB
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2398[16:00:25] <hk238> I only allocated 48 GB space for /
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2399[16:00:30] <hk238> turns out I ran out of space
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2400[16:00:40] <jelly> hk238: pastebin the output of
"apt-get autoremove"
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2401[16:00:46] <hk238> so I was wondering what's going on,
coz I thought the OS doesnt take much space
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2403[16:01:22] <hk238> all zeros on autoremove
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2405[16:01:42] <hk238> anyway I deleted that manually by removing
the folder, it's a dual boot with mint and debian
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2406[16:01:56] <hk238> coz debian wasnt starting due to 0 bytes
freespace
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2408[16:02:23] <hk238> so I thought it's gona be something
like `teach math symbols for the kids` and `text editor` or
`dictionary` or something like that
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2409[16:02:25] <fas3r> Hello
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2410[16:02:36] <fas3r> Is it possible to use preseed file with
Tiny CD iso ?
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2412[16:02:41] <hk238> instead it's a protein folding
database or some weird stuff like that
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2413[16:02:42] <hk238> :D
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2415[16:03:08] <hk238> hmm
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2425[16:07:01] <hk238> hmm I dont know maybe it was standalone
installation of some sort, and deleting the folder neatly got
everything
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2426[16:07:12] <hk238> it was called mrs/uniprot something like
that, Im not sure what it was
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2427[16:07:40] <hk238> there's still stuff like latex
documentation or somtehing like that, which seems like a total
waste.. Im not sure, everything is workign though, and it's not
a priority
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2430[16:08:19] <themill> hk238: the output of "aptitude
search ~ntexlive~i" might help
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2436[16:10:00] <hk238> ahhh I just downloaded a tweak tool `mate
tweak` and upon selecting a `layout`it already replaced the one I
just made. dang.
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2437[16:10:00] <hk238> :D
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2438[16:10:54] <hk238> there's no command called aptitude
apparantely
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2439[16:11:09] <jelly> install it
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2440[16:11:12] <missmbob> apt-get install it
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2441[16:11:20] <hk238> why? :o
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2442[16:11:30] <jelly> good command, very search
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2443[16:11:39] <hk238> oh aptitude?
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2445[16:12:03] <hk238> :D
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2447[16:13:32] <hk238> well that was that with tweak then
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2449[16:14:05] <hk238> oh well just gotta set it up again :d
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2468[16:21:42] <hk238> anyone got any tips for configuring mate
desktop environment?
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2470[16:22:08] <hk238> one thing I'm trying to do is make
mac os style panel on lowerside of the screen, that shows only open
windows with a square icon and no label
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2472[16:22:27] <hk238> and also a bunch of other things but
it's gonna take a while
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2473[16:23:17] <missmbob> hk238: dont know how many here use
mater...but there is #mate
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2474[16:23:35] <hk238> oh yeah I'm on mate too :d
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2475[16:23:53] <missmbob> !crosspost
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2476[16:23:53] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places
at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums)
is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone
else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we
are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've
already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer
and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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2477[16:23:54] <missmbob> :P
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2478[16:23:55] <climjark> hello all!
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2479[16:23:55] <hk238> last time I asked (that same question from
mate channel) I got this advice of installing docky, which is what
I'm trying to do now
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2480[16:24:26] <hk238> well I wasn't technically
cross-posting now
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2481[16:24:31] <hk238> last time I asked it was yesterday
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2483[16:24:42] <hk238> on mate that is
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2485[16:25:29] <hk238> it's probably reasonable to assume
that if someone is like copypasting messages inbetween channels,
they're spamming/cross-posting
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2490[16:26:27] <hk238> where as whether the choice of channel is
appropriate is also debatable, due to that well, a lot of linux
users might know abuot some specific details about linux, but then
might not be on a channel about those specific features :d
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2504[16:34:34] <sfan5> quick question: can i disable rsyslogd
when i already have systemd-journald?
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2557[16:50:55] <hk238> btw screensaver locks the computer for
good and I have to reboot with the reboot button :d
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2558[16:51:01] <hk238> any idea what might causing that?
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2559[16:51:08] <hk238> happened twice so far
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2560[16:51:24] <missmbob> testing?
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2561[16:51:29] <johnkeates> what screensaver do you use
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2562[16:51:37] <hk238> oh yeah right I have that stretch version
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2563[16:51:40] <johnkeates> and did you try a different vt
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2564[16:51:41] <johnkeates> and ssh
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2565[16:51:43] <missmbob> !debian-next
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2566[16:51:43] <johnkeates> and sysrd
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2567[16:51:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2568[16:51:45] <hk238> I got it by accident though.. :D
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2570[16:52:31] <jelly> hk238: if your session is starting
xscreensaver manually, you may be having two screensavers competing
at the same time
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2572[16:52:41] <jelly> because REASONS
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2574[16:52:59] <jelly> but it's a streatch issue so...
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2575[16:53:02] <jelly> !debian-next
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2576[16:53:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2578[16:53:23] <missmbob> yeah. said that :P
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2595[16:59:43] <hk238> darn. Now it seems the last panel on the
screen is bugged and I cant make new panels either.. How can I
access configuration utilities without knowing what their names are,
when they're not visible in the menus? :d
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2597[17:00:07] <missmbob> you'd ask the testing channel as
you've been told
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2598[17:00:16] <hk238> it's invite only though
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2602[17:00:32] <missmbob> hk238: because you didnt read
everything. it's on OFTC, not freenode
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2603[17:00:35] <missmbob> !debian-next
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2604[17:00:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2605[17:00:56] <hk238> oh
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2606[17:01:25] <hk238> well I read the end of that message or
something like that, but somehow I thought it meant that you'v
eto go to irc.oftc.net, to get invited to the channel here
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2607[17:01:53] <hk238> anyway I guess I could consider going
there
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2611[17:02:32] <hk238> meanwhile, anyone have any idea about how
to change configuration, with the given conditions?
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2612[17:02:41] <jmcnaught> hk238: OFTC uses less electrons so
it's actually easier than connecting to freenode
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2613[17:03:05] <missmbob> "i know i'm in the wrong
place and i dont care...help me"
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2614[17:03:11] <hk238> it does mean having to have two windows
open though, which on irc is kind of annoying
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2615[17:03:20] <jelly> get a better client
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2616[17:03:22] <hk238> I'll just ignore missmbob, seems to
have problem of some sort
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2618[17:03:29] <hk238> ok done
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2621[17:03:55] <han-solo> irssi?
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2622[17:04:08] <jelly> han-solo: missmbob can be overenthusiastic
in application of rules but don't let it get you
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2623[17:04:13] <jelly> er. hk238.
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2624[17:04:21] <hk238> I'm using KVirc, it's my
favourite client so far
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2625[17:04:36] <han-solo> :)
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2626[17:04:47] <han-solo> i just did a page-p :)
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2627[17:04:49] <jelly> hexchat can have a zillion servers and
channels in the same window as tabs
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2628[17:05:02] <han-solo> s/-p/up :)
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2629[17:05:06] <hk238> oh yeah I've used hexchat it's
okay I guess
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2634[17:06:11] <elliot007> as everybody is mentioning their irc
clients, i use irssi
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2636[17:06:13] <hk238> I'd take a screenshot, but public
logging is against freenode rules
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2637[17:06:24] <hk238> also made the font myself
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2638[17:06:34] <Flashtek> public logging is against the law in
many places....
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2640[17:06:53] <Flashtek> for various definitions of the term
'logging'
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2645[17:07:27] <jmcnaught> hk238: this channel is logged, see the
/topic
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2646[17:07:52] <hk238> oh
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2651[17:10:09] <hk238> well I suppose in that case it's ok
to take the screenshot.. Although it's necessary to adjust for
that I changed the colors on the display device by reducing
brightness, blue, and green considerably.. so while the colors on
regular display look very saturated, they're actually not too
saturated like that..
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2654[17:11:07] <hk238>
replaced-url
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2660[17:13:07] <hk238> that gray bar is the bugged panel btw
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2661[17:13:19] <jmcnaught> hk238: are you having a problem with
your IRC client? i thought that you had a screen locking problem. If
it's a stretch issue, folks on #debian-next are more likely to
know. You can also check the last few lines of the previous boot
with "journalctl --boot=-1 --lines=50" to look for clues
(or look in syslog like it's the 20th century still ;)
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2662[17:13:21] <b3d0u1n> I keep getting this error. How do I fix
it? W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The
repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.
GPG error:
replaced-url
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2663[17:13:46] <hk238> no I dont have a problem with my irc
client
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2669[17:16:23] <jmcnaught> b3d0u1n: i don't use wheezy for a
long time now, but maybe there's a newer version of
debian-archive-keyring you're supposed to be using. You could
also try using a different mirror
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2672[17:16:59] <b3d0u1n> It's weird, I have one VM where
it's not spitting back and error and one where it is. Both have
the same sources.
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2673[17:17:14] <themill> b3d0u1n: BADSIG would suggest
you've got a mirror that's not happy or a cache that is
feeding you stale material
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2675[17:17:22] <hk238> also the screen locking problem resulted
to some problems when I had to reboot, and I'm not sure what is
it exactly, but the mate panels are not working. So I dont have
panels, so I dont hav ethe GUI shortcuts, and I dont know how to do
stuff without the shortcuts.. First I suppose I need to figure out
where the terminal file is located, so I can start that.. to start
the other programs that have
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2676[17:17:39] <themill> b3d0u1n: http.d.n is a redirector and it
is feasible the two machines are being sent to different mirrors
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2677[17:17:48] <hk238> a name I am not aware of.. these are also
rather generic linux problems and not necessarily related to even a
specific distro
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2678[17:18:09] <b3d0u1n> themill: Interesting. That might explain
why it worked about an hour ago on the "broken" one.
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2679[17:18:17] <Lornzer> heyo, i installed a webrtc server
(called janus) & its libraries and its crashing unreliably.
i'm pretty sure it is related to the library installation, but
im not certain. the app error log outputs the following:nd its
crashing unreliably. i'm pretty sure it is related to the
library installation, but im not certain. the app error log outputs
the following:
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2680[17:18:25] <Lornzer> janus: symbol lookup error: janus:
undefined symbol: g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a
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2686[17:19:52] <jelly> Lornzer: were these binaries built for
debian release you're using, or some other OS and release?
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2687[17:19:56] <Lornzer> can installing a bunch of libraries to
/usr/lib instead of /usr/lib64 cause that?
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2689[17:20:26] <jelly> Lornzer: you should never install third
party library files under either of those two paths
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2691[17:20:36] <jelly> Lornzer: which debian release are you
using?
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2693[17:20:53] <b3d0u1n> Unrelated . . . but can you guys
recommend a good tutorial or primer on systemd? I'm sort of
holding onto Wheezy and Squeeze because I don't really get how
it works . . .
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2698[17:21:29] <missmbob> b3d0u1n: this is pretty good.
replaced-url
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2699[17:21:33] <jelly> b3d0u1n: you can upgrade to jessie without
switching to systemd if you really want to
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2703[17:21:56] <b3d0u1n> jelly: I tried that one distro . . . I
forgot its name, the one that is Jessie without systemd.
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2704[17:22:03] <b3d0u1n> It wasn't bad.
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2705[17:22:18] <jelly> b3d0u1n: devuan. You don't need to go
there, but that's an option as well
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2707[17:22:22] <Lornzer> jelly: its actually ubuntu (guess i
should look in the proper channel 1st) - not using either of the 2
locations for 3rd party libraries holds true for that too though i
guess? :D
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2708[17:22:27] <b3d0u1n> missmbob: thanks
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2710[17:22:43] <jim> Lornzer, are there debian packages
containing the libs you want? (if so, consider those)
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2712[17:22:57] <jelly> Lornzer: very likely for anything newer
than 14.* of ubuntus
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2713[17:23:10] <jelly> Lornzer: ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
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2716[17:23:34] <Lornzer> thx
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2717[17:23:59] <b3d0u1n> shrug. installed debian-keyring and now
it's not spitting back errors.
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2719[17:24:11] <Lornzer> i configure && make
install'ed both libraries from source myself
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2720[17:24:34] <jelly> okay, but this is still not #ubuntu nor
#ubuntu-server
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2721[17:24:40] <b3d0u1n> thanks for the input
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2725[17:25:18] <Lornzer> i switched already ;) thx for ur
patience
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2726[17:25:20] <jim> Lornzer, same thing, but you should get them
from their archives... and note, the ubuntu folks are making very
deep changes to what they get from debian, and we can't keep
track of em and still have time to date...
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2727[17:26:08] <nickpalla> hello,my PS/2 mouse stop
working.reason seems i upgrade source.list to deb sid.mouse works no
problem until i watch a flash video by using Chrome,need help
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2728[17:27:10] <jim> Lornzer, also consider the collasal (sp?)
job of learning to make your own packages (so that you can remove
what you package and install)
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2729[17:27:52] <nickpalla> I'm using debian stretch and
keeping system upgraded.because of KDE desktop version,i selected
upgrade those package to avoid bugs(taskbar issue)
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2734[17:28:40] <zykotick9> nickpalla: not sure you're using
stretch if you've added sid to your sources.list.... either
way... support in #debian-next of the OFTC network...
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2737[17:29:06] <jim> nickpalla, wait, you're running stretch
but your sources.list say sid? (that could be a bad thing)
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2742[17:29:57] <nickpalla> no, i've just add sid to my
source,because KDE packages in stretch seems broken(framework 5.7.4
desktop 5.6.5)
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2745[17:30:38] <jim> nickpalla, not likely to fix em, and very
likely to break your whole installation
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2746[17:30:53] <Time-Warp> anyone ever seen
[drm:intel_set_cpu_fifo_underrun_reporting [i915]] *ERROR*
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2747[17:30:54] <jelly> jim: if their sources say sid,
they're running sid!
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2748[17:31:19] <nickpalla> it seems it works without any problem
only when I open Chrome and watch a flash video..looks like i did
something very stupid
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2749[17:31:55] <jelly> nickpalla: ask in the right channel, not
many people with knowledge of sid or testing in here
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2750[17:32:04] <jelly> !debian-next
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2751[17:32:04] <jim> jelly, there's probably a percentage to
which that's true... if he installed a lot of pkgs, you're
probably right
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2752[17:32:04] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2754[17:32:28] <jelly> jim: the percentage is 100%, that's
pretty much the definition of running sid
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2755[17:32:28] <nickpalla> ok,thank you all very much
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2759[17:33:28] <jelly> jim: when it breaks, they get to keep all
the pieces.
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2761[17:33:38] <jim> if the percentage is lower, then he's
got a franken
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2762[17:33:38] <jelly> (see how I didn't say "if")
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2763[17:33:39] <Lornzer> jim: yeah, that sounds like a very handy
skill to have! (spelling is colossal btw)
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2765[17:33:47] <jelly> jim: nope
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2766[17:34:02] <jelly> it's sid, just not upgraded yet :)
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2767[17:34:33] <jelly> with possible exception of a
testing/unstable mix (/msg dpkg tum)
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2768[17:34:33] <jim> there is that
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2770[17:35:02] <jim> that's what I think he has
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2771[17:35:16] <jelly> but there's nothing franken at that
point, it's a valid scenarion and people who use that expect it
to be broken on occasion
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2774[17:36:46] <jim> Lornzer, there's something called the
debian packaging manual (which is part of the new maintainers guide
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2783[17:40:38] <Lornzer> cheers, bookmarked for a rainy day :)
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3090[17:54:23] <_Vi> Why can't I install both musl-dev:amd64
and musl-dev:armel (and in general -dev packages)? How do I
cross-compile from amd64 to musl-armel?
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3099[17:56:53] <_Vi> It also fails without -dev: "trying to
overwrite shared '/usr/bin/musl-ldd'".
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3134[18:02:28] <Lornzer> thx for the help again :) have a good
one
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3192[18:20:34] <aaqw> My debian installation cannot see my
speakers
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3193[18:20:41] <aaqw> So no sound will work
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3220[18:30:45] <bullgard4> Where precisely do you expect your
Debian your speakers?
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3222[18:30:58] <bullgard4> to see
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3225[18:31:32] <aaqw> bullgard4: To see and use them. GNOME lists
no output devices.
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3227[18:32:03] <mtn> aaqw: Use pavucontrol. Check sound levels
and devices in Output and Configuration tabs.
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3228[18:32:03] <aaqw> or input devices for that matter
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3232[18:32:52] <aaqw> mtn: I don't have that installed
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3233[18:33:07] <jelly> aaqw: install it, then. Also, pastebin the
output of "aplay -l"
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3235[18:33:11] <mtn> aaqw: hmm. install it? kinda obvious
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3239[18:34:14] <aaqw> mtn: I was pretty sure that was the case,
bust since sound is a really deep seeded thing I wasn't sure if
pavucontrol was only for specific scenarios
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3240[18:34:33] <mtn> aaqw: it is the main sound control app
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3242[18:35:04] <aaqw> mtn: then why isn't installed by
default? Unless my installation is weird.
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3244[18:36:31] <jelly> aaqw: the lack of pavucontrol installation
when pulseaudio and a DE get installed is probably a bug, too
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3245[18:36:59] <mtn> or a lack of foresight
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3249[18:37:31] <amoe> I thought GNOME had its own volume control
applet
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3251[18:37:53] <jelly> gnome has a lot of its own things
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3253[18:38:45] <jelly> gnome-specific tools do not however
necessarily prove the most useful when doing some debugging over irc
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3256[18:39:18] <amoe> makes sense
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3267[18:41:10] <aaqw> jelly: When I run it it just says
waiting...
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3269[18:41:39] <tgunr> How can you tell what speed a NIC is set
to? I am only getting around 10 Mbps on a GB LAN
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3272[18:42:13] <SwedeMike> tgunr: ethtool
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3273[18:42:21] <tgunr> Which makes me think the NIC is set on
100Mb
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3274[18:42:26] <jelly> aaqw: that usually means pulseaudio
process/service is not running at all, verify with something like
"pgrep pulseaudio" or "ps -fe |grep pulse"
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3275[18:42:27] <tgunr> thanks looking
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3281[18:43:22] <jelly> aaaqw: that usually means pulseaudio
process/service is not running at all, verify with something like
"pgrep pulseaudio" or "ps -fe |grep pulse"
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3294[18:47:18] <BinBasher> can anyone get the gnome alarm clock
feature working in 3.14 @ jessie?
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3295[18:47:35] <aaaqw> jelly: got it up now. OK. I see. It
apparently does not work when logged in as root
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3300[18:49:22] <tgunr> ethtool is showing:
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3301[18:49:22] <tgunr> Speed: Unknown!
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3303[18:50:10] <jelly> aaaqw: right, root is supposed to be used
solely for administrative purposes. Lots of common workstation tools
fail or behave differently.
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3305[18:50:33] <jelly> in short: if you don't absolutely
have to be root to run something, don't
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3306[18:50:42] <aaaqw> Cool.
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3313[18:51:47] <jelly> aaaqw: a typical user will never log in as
root unless something is deeply broken. Log in and work as normal
user, and when needed open a separate shell for root purposes using
the "su" or "sudo" commands
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3315[18:52:29] <tgunr> I have logged in as root since System III
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3316[18:52:49] <jelly> why are you not retired yet
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3317[18:53:02] <tgunr> having too much fun?
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3318[18:53:26] <tgunr> and if you know about System III, why are
you not retired? :)
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3321[18:53:57] <tgunr> But I agree, for most part, don't log
in as root
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3322[18:53:58] <jelly> because EU wants me to work until I'm
90 or so
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3324[18:54:07] <aaaqw> Well I am actually running Kali, based on
Debian, which only sets up the root user at setup and uses it for
the live boot. I think it worked in older versions.
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3326[18:54:26] * mtn feels sorry for jelly
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3327[18:54:29] <jelly> aaaqw: oh, then you're in the wrong
channel
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3331[18:54:31] <jelly> !kali
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3332[18:54:31] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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3335[18:54:56] <jelly> aaaqw: ask there for any further issues
you get in Kali
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3337[18:55:14] <tgunr> ok, thanks Jelly, mii-tool show 1000base
full duplex
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3340[18:55:35] <aaaqw> yeah. that channel is normally dead
though. :P
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3341[18:55:36] <jelly> tgunr: sorry, I didn't help you in
any way
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3344[18:55:44] <tgunr> but it also displays: SIOCGMIIREG on eth0
failed: Input/output error
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3350[18:56:15] <tgunr> ah, that was SwedeMike
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3351[18:56:24] <jelly> aaaqw: if you want to ask here,
you're expected to reproduce the issues you're having on
an actual debian installation
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3352[18:56:39] <aaaqw> @jelly: fair
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3354[18:56:56] <jelly> (hint: many issues only happen BECAUSE a
derivative changed something)
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3356[18:57:28] <jelly> (like "log in as root by
default")
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3363[19:01:18] <dionysus69> can anyone recommend me a gui data
modeling software for debian?
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3384[19:05:35] <SwedeMike> tgunr: mii-tool is deprecated.
replaced-url
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3389[19:05:56] <tgunr> Not sure what your looking for, what kind
of data?
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3390[19:06:02] <tgunr> ok, thanks SwedeMike
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3393[19:07:26] <tgunr> dionysus69 For relational data you might
look at
replaced-url
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3395[19:07:57] <dionysus69> theres no free alternative :\ ?
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3397[19:08:37] <jelly> free as in open source, or free as in no
cost?
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3398[19:08:43] <dionysus69> its ridiculous how its hard to find a
fotware thats free on this category since demand should be very high
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3400[19:08:50] <dionysus69> both perhaps
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3402[19:09:04] <jelly> write one, gain mone^H^H^H^Hfame
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3403[19:09:17] <dionysus69> lol
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3404[19:09:18] <jelly> see if you can live from fame
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3406[19:09:32] <jelly> s/live from/survive on/
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3408[19:09:40] * tgunr agrees
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3410[19:09:53] <dionysus69> dude, there's free software all
over the place
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3412[19:10:21] <dionysus69> like atm I am writing you from free
operating system and free irc client
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3413[19:10:31] <jelly> yes, people invested their time to write
that stuff
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3414[19:10:38] <tgunr> if your needing this for production, the
cost is minimal and the product is not too bad, if for personal,
well you should be learning the CLI first anyway
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