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105 [01:30:11] <shqip> Plugin "PODRenderer" missing,
maybe you need to install it? how can I solve this
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108 [01:33:08] <L1nuxg33k> What program are you using?
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125 [01:50:09] <aindilis> is there an easy way to do transparency
in modern Debian? I used to use xcompmgr + transset but this
hasn't worked for me for a while
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143 [02:02:55] <SlidingHorn> aindilis: what DE/WM? Is there a
particular application you're trying to do this for?
144 [02:03:12] <aindilis> well I want to watch movies while
watching security cameras
145 [02:03:20] <aindilis> on 1 monitor
146 [02:03:29] <aindilis> WM is either LightDM or GDM3
147 [02:03:40] <SlidingHorn> neither of those are window managers
148 [02:03:42] <aindilis> er Metacity or whatever repalced it
standard gnome3
149 [02:05:04] <SlidingHorn> aindilis: I'm not personally
aware of a media player that will play a video translucently
150 [02:05:17] <SlidingHorn> (I'm open to someone correcting
me on that one)
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152 [02:05:58] <aindilis> ah, okay, I'll try to partition
the windows manually then, ty!
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166 [02:22:23] <rant> Ingvix: no. I gave up.. tried everything I
could think of short of intensive strace/wireshark most I could do
was install samba and get it to show the localhost .. only stuff I
saw online was mention of protocol changes to accomodate win10 which
doesnt fit either because I have a win10 machine on this network and
it only shows up with cli tools on buster
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172 [02:25:29] <CarlFK> I saw a box booth into the grub menu that
had "Debian / Advanced / uefi setup" - Where did the uefi
setup come from?
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188 [02:42:31] <Dat> in rescue mode what would cause a invalid
ELF header?
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opackages. how do I find out if the system needs a reboot?
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288 [04:04:00] <idlemind> anyone happen to know if their is a
link nestled away anywhere with a debian 8 live dvd?
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290 [04:04:12] <idlemind> can only seem to find the current (9)
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295 [04:08:55] <idlemind> dank
296 [04:08:59] <idlemind> danke
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423 [06:52:24] <rabies> hello random people
424 [06:53:01] <rabies> wow, this channel is quiet now
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428 [06:57:57] <rant> it happens
429 [06:59:10] <rabies> back in MY day, this channel was lively!
430 [06:59:49] <rant> heh, yeah well it still has its peak times
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441 [07:17:49] <CarlFK> I know what 7 is, what makes the other 2
numbers bump up? debian_ver: 9.7.0
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443 [07:19:35] <rant> CarlFK: maj.min.rev is typical format, but
Debian releases don't use that format. Debian just uses a
Release.Point-Release format
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447 [07:20:37] <CarlFK> Rant when does Point-Release bump?
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449 [07:21:18] <CarlFK> oh hell. I meant I know what the 9 is,
what is 7 ?
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451 [07:21:59] <rant> CarlFK: its a security point release where
Debian releases new disk images containing updates
452 [07:22:54] <rant> on reason for the 7 point release was a
vulnerability found in apt, so naturally its better to make a point
release so people downloading install media are not vulnerable from
the start before they are able to update from a repository
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455 [07:25:04] <CarlFK> Im wring docs for
iso=${distro}-${debian_ver}-${arch}-netinst.iso
456 [07:25:11] <CarlFK> is this correct enough:
457 [07:25:21] <CarlFK> ``debian_ver``: (9.7.0). Debian version
number (needs to be current, old point relieases are removed from
the repos).
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459 [07:27:23] <rant> CarlFK: well, again, we do not use the
maj.min.rev version numbers for releases, just release.point-release
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461 [07:27:39] <rant> CarlFK:
replaced-url
462 [07:28:56] <rant> CarlFK: in the past we've used 2.2r6
(Potato's last revision) and (5.0.1 Lenny's first point
release) that's not been done since Wheezy (Debian 7)
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466 [07:31:17] <CarlFK> the 0 is still there - see
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469 [07:32:58] <rant> CarlFK: yes well this sort of thing happens
when you have different teams working on different things but the
version scheme used now doesn't use a micro revision number
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470 [07:33:46] <rant> it may very well still be showing that on
the iso files, but its no longer used that way because we are
changing the major number with every release now
471 [07:34:30] <rant> CarlFK: cat /etc/debian_version and
anywhere else.. our /topic the website, wiki, etc all are only using
9.7
472 [07:34:31] <CarlFK> how should I word that documentation
line?
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475 [07:38:01] <rant> CarlFK: this is a user support channel for
Debian stable, its no way affiliated with the Debian project.. if
you want more specific answers on Debian policy, contact Debian.
These current questions regarding images would be addressed on
irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) in #debian-cd or on the mailing lists
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476 [07:39:21] <CarlFK> meh, too hard. if you dont' have
better words I'll leave it as is.
477 [07:40:18] <rant> CarlFK: its fine as is I suppose :P
478 [07:40:35] <rant> Reminds me of that joke about how many
kernel developers it takes to screw in a lightbulb
479 [07:40:55] <CarlFK> how many?
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481 [07:41:36] <yaLuacam> can anyone help me with fdisk
482 [07:42:00] <yaLuacam> or point me in the direction of a
properchannel
483 [07:42:05] <rant> "Seventeen to argue about the
484 [07:42:06] <rant> license; 17 to argue about the
brain-deadedness of the lightbulb architecture; 17 to argue about a
new model that encompasses all models of illumination and makes it
simple to replace candles, campfires, pilot lights, and
485 [07:42:09] <rant> skylights with the same easy-to-extend
mechanism; 17 to speculate about
486 [07:42:12] <rant> the secretive industrial conspiracy that
ensures that lightbulbs will burn out
487 [07:42:15] <rant> frequently; 1 to finally change the bulb;
and 16 who decide that this solution is good enough for the time
being"
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491 [07:42:31] <rant> thats what I get for copy/pasting from a
pdf :P
492 [07:42:35] <CarlFK> lol
493 [07:42:36] <rant> bad line breaks
494 [07:42:36] <CarlFK> nice.
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496 [07:43:21] <CarlFK> I suspect the docs I am working on will
be read by more authors than users
497 [07:43:29] <rant> yaLuacam: ask a more specific question. Or
use sfdisk, cfdisk, or gparted instead.
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500 [07:46:55] <yaLuacam> I need to change the logical/physical
sizes of a storage drive
501 [07:47:06] <yaLuacam> sector sizes that is
502 [07:47:22] <yaLuacam> from 512 to 4096
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506 [07:49:49] <rant> yaLuacam: what is the current device node
of this disk?
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510 [07:51:15] <pragomer> sometimes I find the debian isos are
hard to find: I am searching for a netins-testing-nonfree-iso ??
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514 [07:53:34] <CarlFK> pragomer
replaced-url
515 [07:53:41] <rant> yaLuacam: d="sda";(cat
/sys/block/$d/queue/*_block_size; fdisk -l /dev/$d)|nc termbin.com
9999
516 [07:53:47] <CarlFK> o wait.. nonfree
517 [07:53:53] <rant> yaLuacam: change d= to the disk in question
518 [07:54:32] <CarlFK> pragomer:
replaced-url
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520 [07:55:28] <rant> yaLuacam: you need to run that command as
root for the fdisk output
521 [07:57:22] <pragomer> so, when I will take buster or
"current" actually?
522 [07:57:47] <pragomer> to get the same as "testing"
would be stand in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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524 [07:58:30] <pragomer> ah no, I see, "current" is
9.7 which is stable, right?
525 [07:58:39] <pragomer> so I got to go with buster, right?
526 [07:58:55] <rant> pragomer: yes stable=current=stretch=9.7
testing=buster
527 [07:59:04] <yaLuacam> rant: no internet
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530 [08:00:26] <pragomer> thank you, so this site was the correct
for me then:
531 [08:00:26] <rant> yaLuacam: fair enough.. the problem here is
that you can't change physical stuff and that the utils already
choose the optimal sector size.. the logical sector size is done in
the filesystem not the partition.. so you'
532 [08:00:27] <pragomer>
replaced-url
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534 [08:00:36] <rant> re misunderstanding something
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536 [08:01:01] <rant> and probably going to ruin your system or
data for nothing
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549 [08:12:05] <yaLuacam> rant: OK. it's a storage drive
with nothing on it. without internet I'm not able to get any
sort of GUI like pendrivelinux or unetbootin so I have to use
terminal to prepare a USB drive so I can write an image to it
550 [08:12:51] <rant> yaLuacam: yes well don't use
unetbootin anyhow.. and you do not need to prepare a usb drive to
write an image to it
551 [08:13:14] <rant> yaLuacam: from a linux machine all you have
to do is cp image.iso /dev/sdc or whatever the device node is
552 [08:13:59] <rant> yaLuacam: you are making a common newbie
mistake of thinking you're smarter than a decade worth of
kernel developers.. the kernel knows what to do when you tell it to
copy that image to a device node attached to a block device
553 [08:16:08] <rant> yaLuacam: its 2019, not 1999 we dont do
things the hard way anymore :P
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556 [08:21:57] <yaLuacam> rant: I understand the cp of the iso to
the device. The USB has 1 sector and its size is 512 bytes but it
needs to be 2048 and every time I just "cp the iso to the
USB" it works great but when I plug the USB in I get the error
Linux says the device has 2048 bytes but it really only has 512....
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558 [08:23:11] <rant> yaLuacam: idk but either you got a horribly
broken system, bad iso, or broken usb drive
559 [08:23:40] <rant> a disk image contains an entire disk.. when
you cp the disk image to the device note its overwriting EVERYTHING
560 [08:23:52] <rant> so anything you'd do to that drive
would be overwritten anyhow
561 [08:23:58] <yaLuacam> rant: broken USB drive. thanks tho for
your help and for trying to get this newbie to understand
562 [08:24:11] <dadinn> hi all
563 [08:24:45] <rant> yaLuacam: you can't just change the
partition table because writing the image would overwrite any
changes you made to it anyhow :P
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567 [08:25:19] <rant> dadinn: 'allo mayte 'ow are
thin's dahnunda?
568 [08:25:35] <dadinn> I am having trouble with setting up
wireless on a Thinkpad P1, I just got it over christmas and it is
quite new stuff, I couldn't find any info about it online.
569 [08:26:34] <dadinn> The closest thing is the DebianOn guide
for X1 Extreme I think, but the guide is only for 5th gen
570 [08:26:50] <dadinn> I think the P1 is essentially the same as
the 8th gen X1 Extreme
571 [08:26:53] <rant> dadinn: yes well just show us the wifi line
from the output of lspci -nn
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573 [08:27:13] <dadinn> yeah, I have trouble finding it
574 [08:27:41] <rant> dadinn: are you connected to the net on it
running Debian stable using wired connection right now?
575 [08:27:47] <dadinn> the only "Wireless" line comes
from `lsusb` and its ant Intel bluetooth
576 [08:28:02] <dadinn> I am running debian Stretch live CD on it
577 [08:28:14] <dadinn> i am connected to internet through
another device
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579 [08:28:39] <dadinn> also i connected the P1 through USB
tethering
580 [08:28:57] <rant> dadinn: so it currently has network
connectivity?
581 [08:29:03] <rant> it can reach the internet?
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583 [08:29:19] <dadinn> rant: yes it has through USB tethering
584 [08:30:10] <dadinn> also, it came with a Windows 10 (barf...)
on it. which did have wifi
585 [08:30:23] <rant> dadinn: (lsusb; lspci -nn)|nc termbin.com
9999
586 [08:30:29] <dadinn> i mean it was working
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588 [08:31:23] <dadinn> rant: what is nc for?
589 [08:31:29] <dadinn> i don't haves it
590 [08:31:46] <rant> dadinn: ah well you can either install
netcat or just copy/paste the output to paste.debian.net
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595 [08:34:21] <dadinn> rant:
replaced-url
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597 [08:35:36] <rant> dadinn: this is your wifi 00:14.3 Network
controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:a370] (rev 10)
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599 [08:36:11] <rant> its called the AC 9560 near as I can tell
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605 [08:38:01] <rant> dadinn: oddly enough I see three aliases in
the iwlwifi driver for this pciid
606 [08:38:15] <rant> I've never seen more than one alias
for the same pciid before :P
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608 [08:39:22] <dadinn> rant: how do you find this from the lspci
output, may i ask?
609 [08:40:29] <rant> dadinn: lspci shows the names of devices -n
shows ONLY the pciids and -nn shows both. the pciid is the
[8086:a370] portion 8086 is the mfg (Intel) and a370 is the device
id
610 [08:40:41] <rant> values are in hexidecimal
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612 [08:41:32] <rant> checking modinfo iwlwifi | grep -i a370
shows 3 lines indicating that this device should be claimed by that
driver
613 [08:42:03] <rant> since your wifi isnt working there is
likely another issue.. check dmesg i.e. dmesg | grep iwlwifi
614 [08:42:13] <dadinn> I see, the you used the pciid to look up
more info?
615 [08:42:36] <rant> dadinn: yes you always use the vend/prod id
codes to look up the information not the name
616 [08:43:24] <dadinn> rant: where do i look it up from?
617 [08:43:49] <rant> dadinn: generic speaking, using a pciid and
the word linux in google will get you a lot of info
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619 [08:44:04] <dadinn> rant: I see
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621 [08:44:17] <rant> but in this case we knew it was an intel
wifi card and I know the names of several intel wifi drivers.. so I
was able to check that id against the kernel drivers
622 [08:44:56] <rant> ,pciid [8086:a370]
623 [08:44:57] <judd> [8086:a370] is 'Wireless-AC 9560
[Jefferson Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel',
'ata-generic' in stretch. See also
replaced-url
624 [08:45:00] <dadinn> rant: the dmesg says errors all over,
that it failed to load iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode (-2)
625 [08:45:32] <dadinn> rant: and Direct firmware load for ...
failed with error -2
626 [08:45:52] <rant> dadinn: you will need to edit the
/etc/apt/sources.list and append "contrib non-free" after
the "main" on all the lines then apt update && apt
install firmware-iwlwifi
627 [08:46:12] <dadinn> i am using gnome+nonfree live debian
image
628 [08:46:43] <dadinn> rant: ahh, but firmware-iwlfiwi might not
be installed
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631 [08:47:10] <rant> dadinn: indeed, and if that doesn't
work after installing the firmware you can try the firmware and
kernel from backports
632 [08:47:28] <rant> the firmware in stretch is from 2016 but
the firmware in stretch-backports is from a few months ago
633 [08:47:35] <dadinn> rant: actually it says it is installed
newest version 20161130-4
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636 [08:47:58] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode
637 [08:48:02] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
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639 [08:48:10] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode
stretch-backports
640 [08:48:14] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
641 [08:48:19] <rant> guess not :P
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643 [08:49:35] <dadinn> rant: AC is the newest type of wifi
isn't it? might be no drivers for it yet :/
644 [08:50:20] <rant> well I checked the stretch-backports
package it doesnt have that file either
645 [08:50:21] <dadinn> AC i mean 802.11ac
646 [08:50:53] <rant> ,help find
647 [08:50:54] <judd> (find <an alias, 0 arguments>) --
Alias for "file $*".
648 [08:51:03] <rant> ,help file
649 [08:51:04] <judd> (file <pattern> [--arch
<amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) --
Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which,
by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is
given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7);
note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is
required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by
default.
650 [08:51:21] <rant> ,file --release testing
iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode
651 [08:51:22] <judd> (file <pattern> [--arch
<amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) --
Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which,
by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is
given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7);
note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is
required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by
default.
652 [08:51:44] <rant> ,file iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode --release
testing
653 [08:51:49] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with
that file.
654 [08:52:00] <rant> ,file iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode --release
sid
655 [08:52:05] <judd> No packages in sid/amd64 were found with
that file.
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660 [08:54:59] <rant> dadinn:
replaced-url
661 [08:55:40] <rant> dadinn: try downloading that and unzipping
it and placing it in /lib/firmware/
662 [08:56:20] <CarlFK> crazy question: what happened to
/bin/chvt ?p
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664 [08:56:46] <rant> CarlFK: nothing?
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666 [08:57:01] <CarlFK> ls: cannot access '/bin/chvt':
No such file or directory
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668 [08:57:12] <rant> dadinn: you will then need to install the
stretch-backports kernel as that firmware won't work with the
stretch kernel
669 [08:57:51] <rant> CarlFK: sounds like a personal problem :P
which chvt says /bin/chvt for me
670 [08:58:08] <CarlFK> told you it was crazy.
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672 [08:59:01] <CarlFK> install from the netinstal image, reboot,
run script that starts with that command. worked a few hours ago,
not it errors.
673 [08:59:12] <CarlFK> not/now
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676 [08:59:49] <dadinn> rant: hmm, I cannot do that while running
inside the live image i suppose
677 [09:00:10] <rant> dadinn: well yeah.. that could be a lil
tricky
678 [09:01:16] <rant> dadinn: bottom line though is that the
alias are in the iwlwifi driver so its claiming your card,
you're just missing firmware.. and according to intel they have
firmware for it but it requires linux 4.14+ and stretch-backports
kernel is 4.19 so.. it should work you'll just need the
backport kernel and to manually install the firmware
679 [09:01:36] <rant> dadinn:
replaced-url
680 [09:01:46] <rant> dadinn: your card is the first one on the
list..
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682 [09:02:39] <dadinn> rant: may I ask how you found this
driver? if google, then what you searched for?
683 [09:03:14] <rant> dadinn: googled for the
iwlwifi-9000-pu-a0-26.ucode third result was that link from intel
684 [09:04:07] <dadinn> hmm, but this is pu-b0-jf...
685 [09:04:23] <rant> dadinn: that was after I manually verified
that the latest firmware-iwlwifi from deb.debian.org did not contain
that file
686 [09:04:59] <dadinn> rant: fair enough
687 [09:05:04] <rant> dadinn: yes.. thats the firmware the
stretch kernel wants to go with that card.. newer kernel will match
the newer firmware which is why intel says it needs 4.14+
688 [09:05:43] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34
689 [09:05:47] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
690 [09:06:04] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34 --release
sid
691 [09:06:05] <shtrb> ,v fogbugz
692 [09:06:10] <judd> No packages in sid/amd64 were found with
that file.
693 [09:06:11] <judd> No package named 'fogbugz' was
found in amd64.
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695 [09:06:59] <rant> ,find iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode
--release sid
696 [09:07:05] <judd> Search for
iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode in sid/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi:
lib/firmware/iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode
697 [09:07:27] <shtrb> what was the verb to find if there was an
IPP for a package ?
698 [09:07:57] <rant> dadinn: actually it would seem you could
manually install firmware-iwlwifi from sid it would seem.. it wont
conflict with any dependencies and has that file
699 [09:08:17] <rant>
replaced-url
700 [09:08:22] <dadinn> rant: I really like these bots, debian
channel is great! thanks for the help... I think i need to do some
installation, shall be back with the results
701 [09:08:48] <rant> dadinn: I'd imagine the
stretch-backports kernel and that latest firmware package will work
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703 [09:09:47] <dadinn> rant: yeah, will try it that way
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707 [09:10:17] <rant> dadinn: dont use apt, just grab the package
manually and dpkg -i
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709 [09:10:32] <rant> use apt for the backport kernel, but not
the firmware
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712 [09:11:36] <rant> dadinn: then if you wanna be real cool, go
update thinkwiki and the debian wiki.. cause thinkwiki has absolutly
nothing on the P series line
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714 [09:11:43] <dadinn> rant: ahh, i was expecting apt for the
kernel, but what do you mean about the firmware? it is just a single
.ucode file, plus readmes/licences
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716 [09:12:14] <rant> dadinn: well you can either get it from
upstream or just use the latest deb package which also has it
717 [09:12:20] <dadinn> rant: never used dpkg -i before... what
does it do?
718 [09:12:29] <rant> dadinn: you HAVE used it.. heh
719 [09:12:47] <rant> its how packages are installed.. apt just
normally does it for you
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723 [09:13:03] <rant> dadinn:
replaced-url
724 [09:13:10] <dadinn> rant: yeah i know, but the ucode file is
not a .deb package
725 [09:13:23] <rant> dadinn: that file is in that deb..
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728 [09:13:33] <dadinn> i rarely install individual packages by
themselves i meant
729 [09:13:40] <rant> its just a sid package and you dont want to
add sid sources..
730 [09:13:47] <rant> ,depends firmware-iwlwifi
731 [09:13:48] <judd> Package firmware-iwlwifi in stretch/amd64
-- depends: .
732 [09:14:02] <rant> it has no dependencies so it wont screw
anything up
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734 [09:16:51] <dadinn> rant: sorry i overlooked the line with
the .deb link. so do you mean this package contains the .ucode file
from Intel I downloaded earlier?
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743 [09:22:37] <rant> dadinn: yes
744 [09:22:52] <rant> dadinn: when you install the
stretch-backports kernel the error should change to that filename
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746 [09:26:41] <dadinn> rant: so how come when you searched
earlier for the file in both backports and sid, that debian package
didn't come up?
747 [09:27:22] <rant> dadinn: I was searching for the file from
your current error from stretch's 4.9 kernel
748 [09:27:42] <rant> dadinn: that firmware only works with 4.14
and above.. 4.19 is in stretch-backports
749 [09:28:11] <rant> 03:07 judd> Search for
iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode in sid/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi:
750 [09:28:56] <dadinn> rant: ahh, so these filenames are
deterministically generated from the underlying hardware, and the
file for the firmware should be called like that?
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752 [09:30:21] <rant> dadinn: the kernel looks at the device IDs
and matches them to aliases in the module.. the module then matches
that alias to a particular firmware
753 [09:31:36] <rant> dadinn: apparently mfgs feel various
features of their devices are trade secrets that give them
competitive edge.. so rather than make closed source drivers, they
have realized they can just open the driver and keep the firmware
closed as a compromise
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763 [09:40:47] <dadinn> rant: fair enough
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765 [09:43:14] <dadinn> by the way, while at it, I would like to
advertise my precious little Debain installer scripts:
replaced-url
766 [09:44:38] <dadinn> actually it is Debian on ZFS installer
scripts to be precise, but the instroot script can be used for other
debootstrap like installers
767 [09:45:00] <dadinn> please give some feedback on it if you
can ;)
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770 [09:46:28] <dadinn> it was rewritten in Guile, as i found
myself going mad managing the code in Bash
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775 [09:50:45] <dadinn> rant: Thanks again for the help! I will
come back with the results... and will update the DebianOn wiki ;)
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784 [09:57:55] <rant> dadinn: fwiw you might want to consider
moving to gitlab
replaced-url
785 [09:58:49] <rant> dadinn: its not only closed source but now
owned by microsoft.. many of the die-hards cannot in good conscious
contribute to projects not adhering to the Debian philosophy
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787 [09:59:45] <rant> dadinn: you should also avoid advertising
in a support channel, its frowned upon.. see #debian-boot on
irc.oftc.net or the debian-boot mailing list perhaps
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821 [10:24:44] <dadinn> rant: apologies, didn't know i am
doing wrong. About gitlab, i completely agree with that, didn't
know there was an alternative to github... will move over definitely
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834 [10:38:08] <rant> dadinn: I wasnt aware of it either until I
had an objection from a Debian Developer
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maybe you need to install it? how can I solve it!
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966 [11:58:57] <dadinn> rant: how does Gitlab work? How come I
can sign in with Github? is this with OpenID (didn't know
Github has that). I suppose I would still need to upload my ssh
public key
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976 [12:01:28] <dadinn> rant: also, how FOSS addherence is
enforced? Only repos with GPL licence are accepted? Or how it is
managed?
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1034 [12:36:02] <bites> dadinn: nobody dictates the license you
choose for the software you write. there is no forced foss
adherence.
1035 [12:36:41] <blackflow> RMS would beg to differ :)
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1062 [12:54:08] <dadinn> bites: I mean if the domain is called
git.fosscomunity.in then i suppose there is some adherence... like
no Microsoft 3E Licences
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1064 [12:55:33] <shtrb> what's a 3E license ?
1065 [12:55:50] <dadinn> Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
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1067 [12:57:06] <dadinn> i meant all the non-GPL compatible and
commons clause crap
1068 [12:57:42] <shtrb> Many corporations use foss community, they
will use workers with low pay or even volunteers. They are not an
NGO they need to make money
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1072 [12:58:40] <shtrb> Android have shown to us how GPL is non
enforcable and how providers need to be sued to start releasing
software
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1078 [13:01:18] <bites> dadinn: i doubt it.
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1082 [13:01:45] <dadinn> I am a little man, and trying to do the
little I can do to leave the world a better place for everyone
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1089 [13:03:00] <dadinn> I am writing a GnuCash import/export
library in Java/Clojure and releasing it under LPGL, hoping that I
can get some proprietary accounting software to support
import/export in GnuCash
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1125 [13:23:14] <rant> dadinn: its just that some folk will choose
not to use certain things.. nobody can make you serve vegan food but
vegans won't eat at your resturant if you don't :P
1126 [13:24:24] <PaddyF> thats not precisely true if github puts
something restrictive in their terms of service
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1136 [13:31:46] <rant> I have an external HDD thats encrypted
which currently I have my VMs on, and I also may move my crossover
bottles and possibly at some point store my kodi files on.. I'm
looking for ideas about how to possibly auto bind these directories
to my homedir when the drive is unlocked
1137 [13:32:36] <blackflow> udev script
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1145 [13:33:04] <rant> problem there being luks. it can't
bind on connect, the FS is unreadable
1146 [13:33:21] <blackflow> you can trigger on mapper name
becoming available
1147 [13:33:27] <blackflow> or plaintext fs uuid
1148 [13:33:28] <rant> ah
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1150 [13:33:51] <blackflow> also, possibly you can write a .mount
unit. They're supposedly reacting to these events as well and
can automount when the device apperas
1151 [13:34:03] <blackflow> (but I'm not sure, never tried to
use them that way)
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1156 [13:35:18] <rant> Idk anything about the systemd stuff, but
I've worked with udev before just never thought about hooking
luks before.. I'll look into both options I guess.. having to
manually bind is becomming annoying :P
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1158 [13:36:11] <rant> I think I tried using symlinks before and
that didnt work well
1159 [13:37:03] <rant> besides if I use mounts I can possibly use
the new overlay feature and keep certain things on my internal SSD
and lesser used stuff on the external
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1164 [13:39:08] <rant> what are thoughts on dmcrypt vs luks? I
never used dmcrypt before, but I been thinking about experimenting
with it.. might be better to have things encrypted at all times. Is
there more overhead there?
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1167 [13:40:37] <rant> really I'm not all that certain it
offers any additional security or benefit.
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1172 [13:43:43] <rant> actually I withdraw that question.. heh..
seems luks has many advantages now that I think about it
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1216 [14:19:38] <blackflow> rant: not sure I understand what
you're asking, luks is part of dm-crypt
1217 [14:20:43] <rant> yeah, I've not been feeling well.. I
was thinking more of plain dm-crypt
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1219 [14:21:00] <rant> but I was not thinking clearly
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1223 [14:23:14] <blackflow> rant: I prefer the simplicity of the
block layer, for which LUKS is really de facto standard.
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1228 [14:28:13] <rant> blackflow: yeah.. I been using luks awhile
now and not had any issues.. though admittedly I been being lax with
my header backup.. if I even have one currently I got nfc where it
is :P
1229 [14:28:40] <rant> blackflow: something I read not long ago
suggested you should encrypt your header backups cause they could be
used to attempt brute force
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1238 [14:35:16] <blackflow> rant: I don't back them up at all
:) I have data backups so I don't care if I have to recreate
the luks containers
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1245 [14:37:08] <rant> blackflow: fair enough.. I'm still
broke and lucky to even have a halfway decent system with a 256GB
SSD and 1TB external.. so.. I dont have the luxury of backups..
though I also dont have anything really important either.. just a
lot of time and convenience in my data
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1247 [14:37:52] <rant> I can't wait for the day I have a
large scalable RAID to play with to keep my data on
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1293 [15:08:12] <dadinn> rant: have you tried ZFS?
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1295 [15:09:30] <dadinn> rant: I am waiting for the never version
to arrive where they have encryption baked-in
1296 [15:10:20] <rant> dadinn: no. I dont fool with designer FS I
like my fs to be tried and true..
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1299 [15:11:01] <dadinn> I am currently running a 6 disk (each
1Tb) raid-10 ZFS cluster (altogether approx 3-4Tb usable because of
mirrors)
1300 [15:11:44] <dadinn> rant: ZFS is tried and true, unlike Btrfs
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1306 [15:13:33] <dadinn> and at the end of the day you care about
data integrity. ZFS does that, checksummed filesystem, if mirrored
or has parity raid setup, it will even autocorrect bit errors.
Nothing out there can compete with that
1307 [15:13:39] <rant> dadinn: not by me it isnt :P
1308 [15:14:16] <rant> I waited a long time before even switching
to ext4
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1312 [15:15:36] <SwedeMike> dadinn: the biggest issue with ZFS I
have is the licensing problem and how it's intregrated into
Linux because of this.
1313 [15:15:36] <dadinn> rant: well by me it is, 6 years I have
been running my commodity desktop hardware "server" with
terrabites of data in it... I do the monthly scrubs, and though
never had errors, it feels good knowing that if i had a bit flip, I
wouldn't loose the data
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1315 [15:17:35] <dadinn> SwedeMike: why is the licenceing a
problem? do you plan on monetizing/distributing your zfs-based Linux
distribution, as some kind of NAS system?
1316 [15:18:20] <dadinn> SwedeMike: if you use it at home for your
own systems, then what?
1317 [15:18:47] <SwedeMike> dadinn:
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1318 [15:19:14] <SwedeMike> dadinn: all the other things are
already upstream in the linux mainline linux kernel
1319 [15:21:18] <dadinn> SwedeMike: I am sorry I don't
understand, what is the problem with the link?
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1323 [15:24:08] <SwedeMike> dadinn: ZFS isn't in mainline
linux. ZFS is maintained completely separately because of its silly
license.
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1325 [15:24:43] <blackflow> dadinn: I'm running ZoL in
production. encryption won't be production ready until 0.8.x
hits the shelves.
1326 [15:25:31] <SwedeMike> dadinn: even when reiserfs was not in
mainline kernel, Debian/Ubuntu could still distribute it like any
other module.
1327 [15:25:58] <dadinn> SwedeMike: Would I like if ZFS was GPL
and integrated in the mainline kernel, it is the best filesystem to
this date, Btrfs is in the gutter, so you won't see anything
like ZFS for a while
1328 [15:27:20] <SwedeMike> dadinn: I don't use btrfs, I
don't know why you keep bringing it up in the discussion.
1329 [15:27:23] <dadinn> SwedeMike: at the end of the day, I want
my data not to rot away on my hard-drives... and the best (actually
I would say only) option out there is ZFS
1330 [15:27:46] <SwedeMike> dadinn: as I said, my biggest beef
with ZFS is its silly license and the consequences thereof.
1331 [15:28:01] <SwedeMike> and I won't use it in its current
state.
1332 [15:28:09] <blackflow> yeah this situation with 5.x linux is
a bit.... concerning.
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1335 [15:29:47] <dadinn> SwedeMike: so what do you do against
consmic rays flipping your bits on your family videos and accounting
data? Just accept it collateral dammage to licencing issues?
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1339 [15:31:21] <blackflow> lol
1340 [15:31:54] <dadinn> blackflow: yeah I am aware of that, but I
can't wait for it, cuz I use ZFS on LUKS, and it is actually
pretty dumb to run raid 10 cluster on LUKS
1341 [15:32:53] <blackflow> dumb how? it works just fine
1342 [15:32:56] <dadinn> blackflow: as I encrypt every byte of
data twice :)
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1345 [15:33:12] <blackflow> infact, native enc won't bring
much benefits except ability to encrypt _some_ datasets and not the
whole pool
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1349 [15:35:15] <dadinn> blackflow: come on with a mirror you
write the same byte twice, and each LUKS device will encrypt it
separately... actually it is even a security risk
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1352 [15:35:42] <SwedeMike> dadinn: I don't even have ECC
RAM. I don't have the requirements you seem to have.
1353 [15:35:57] <thebling> Is Docker totally free yet or is there
a bunch of hoops involved for GNU/Linux?
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1355 [15:36:18] <blackflow> SwedeMike: ECC is not strictly a
requirement for ZFS.
1356 [15:36:25] <SwedeMike> blackflow: I never said it was.
1357 [15:36:25] <thebling> Few years ago I installed Docker but
hated the idea that it was not in the repos
1358 [15:36:32] <blackflow> SwedeMike: oh sorry, I misunderstood
what you meant.
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1361 [15:36:56] <SwedeMike> blackflow: but the problem he's
pointed out is not a problem I worry about, thus I don't even
have ECC RAM.
1362 [15:36:58] <blackflow> (there's that ZFS Scrub of Death
myth, I thought you were referring to that)
1363 [15:37:00] <thebling> You don't need ECC for ZFS but it
is always a good idea.
1364 [15:37:10] <blackflow> yeah
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1367 [15:37:49] <SwedeMike> if I wanted to try to lessen the
impact of bitflips I would definitely go for ECC RAM.
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1369 [15:38:34] <thebling> ZFS btw freaking rocks as openzfs
v5000. Using a kernel mod is not ideal though imo. OBSD makes a
better system for that.
1370 [15:39:24] <SwedeMike> yes, if I was really worried about
this I would run FreeBSD on server HW with ECC memory and then use
ZFS there.
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1372 [15:39:45] <blackflow> I've been running ZFS as primary
filesystem on servers for several years now, FreeBSD and only lately
testing ZoL on some machines.
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1374 [15:40:28] <blackflow> In that time I have yet to see a
single bit flip on the servers, though I saw some on my desktop
backup disk, consumer grade stuff and USB enclosures, so I'm
not sure if it's cosmic rays lol, or just.... USB being USB.
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1376 [15:40:51] <blackflow> (and those not being flips at all but
chksum errors caused by something else)
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1378 [15:40:55] <thebling> I have a few ZFS servers. I find
FreeNAS is really convenient
1379 [15:41:10] <thebling> and ofc that is based on obsd
1380 [15:41:17] <dadinn> SwedeMike: another use-case is backups in
ZFS it is pretty easy to create a snapshot of a constantly changing
dataset in a given point in time. If you want to keep it offsite you
can zfs send the bytestream and upload it somewhere.
1381 [15:41:27] <blackflow> thebling: no, it's based on
FreeBSD. OpenBSD doesn't have ZFS.
1382 [15:41:39] <thebling> blah... mean fbsd
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1384 [15:43:08] <SwedeMike> blackflow: I've had files go bad
for me previously, but this seemed related to hw issues. After I
swapped CPU+mobo+RAM then the problem didn't occur again.
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1386 [15:44:08] <blackflow> yeah, data checksumming would catch
that and autocorrect.
1387 [15:44:22] <dadinn> blackflow: I am running ZoL as fileserver
for 5+ years, recently trying it as rootfs too
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1389 [15:44:37] <thebling> SwedeMike, I have had issues like that
and it turned out that it was the SATA cables that would wiggle a
little.
1390 [15:44:58] <blackflow> meanwhile, ZFS is dog slow. I'll
leave it just on long-term storage backup machines where performance
is irrelevant. Definitely don't want to run it under the
database any more.
1391 [15:46:02] <thebling> A slog and a decent sized ARC will help
a lot.
1392 [15:46:09] <blackflow> tried it, and that wasn't the
case
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1394 [15:47:07] <blackflow> problem is those situations where it
has to touch the disks. high concurrency and many file iops are
terrible. tried even some l2arc but that didn't help at all
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1397 [15:47:23] <thebling> Does zpool status show the same disks
are giving issues?
1398 [15:47:48] <thebling> but SMART and everything else looks
good?
1399 [15:48:02] <blackflow> are you asking me?
1400 [15:48:05] <thebling> yeah
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1402 [15:48:13] <blackflow> zpool status isn't showing any
issues
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1405 [15:48:35] <thebling> but your scrubs are catching things
right?
1406 [15:49:23] <blackflow> thebling: checksum errors? yeah,
caught some on the desktop backup disk (USB), but on the servers, I
have yet to see a single error
1407 [15:49:25] <thebling> The checksum would not match and you
would see what disk is iffy.
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1410 [15:49:53] <blackflow> (which is unrelated to the performance
of it)
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1412 [15:50:22] <thebling> USB ... ehhh USB3 ?
1413 [15:50:29] <blackflow> yes
1414 [15:50:47] <blackflow> I'm talking about performance on
the servers, not desktop USB thing
1415 [15:50:52] <thebling> I could see how that would still be
slow.
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1417 [15:51:02] <blackflow> ZFS is terrible with many file ops
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1424 [15:54:21] <thebling> blackflow, idk USB this is how I am
running my system.
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1428 [15:55:40] <blackflow> dadinn: do you separate any root dirs
into their own datasets?
1429 [15:56:24] <blackflow> I'm separating at least /var/log,
/var/tmp and /tmp, so those (especially logs) don't roll back
in case I have to roll back the rootfs
1430 [15:57:05] <dadinn> blackflow: yes separate dirs
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1432 [15:57:15] <dadinn> blackflow: also I use a zvol for swap
1433 [15:57:22] <blackflow> databases, and other dynamic data go
to their own datasets as well, but this is just for the OS dirs.
those /var/ mountpoints are forcing me to go legacy, as there's
race condition on boot and zfs mounts fail
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1436 [15:57:50] <blackflow> dadinn: assuming you understand that
swap on zvol is only good to page out unused memory, and it'll
lock down the machine under memory pressure?
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1438 [15:58:19] <dadinn> blackflow: regarding the performance
issues, do you think those are there with zvols too? So my whole
system being on ZFS, yet I can create a zvol for performance
sensitive stuff
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1442 [15:59:14] <blackflow> no idea, I'm only using zvols for
(test) VM images in use cases that aren't performance sensitive
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1444 [15:59:56] <pragomer> what would be the best way/program to
scan a document as pdf via a "one line terminal" command?
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1447 [16:00:45] <dadinn> blackflow: I had those race conditions
with /var and legacy mounts does solve it.
1448 [16:01:36] <dadinn> blackflow: though recently I have been
stopped having those race condition issues with normal automounts,
not sure exactly why
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1451 [16:02:32] <dadinn> blackflow: I have these scripts here:
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1452 [16:03:01] <dadinn> blackflow: i was told not to share it
here :/
1453 [16:03:02] <blackflow> I've traced the problem to
systemd-tmpfiles. It pre-creates stuff under /var/log and /tmp and
then zfs-automount can't do its job. legacy apparently happens
before tmpfiles.
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1455 [16:04:56] <dadinn> blackflow: yes, i did try it with systemd
option commands in fstab, but I couldn't resolve the issue
1456 [16:05:20] <blackflow> that's the difference between ZoL
and FreeBSD's ZFS for example. on FreeBSD, zfs will mount
anywhere, noquestions asked. on Linux, it won't remount and
won't mount to non-empty dirs.
1457 [16:05:36] <blackflow> I wonder what will happen when FreeBSD
rebases to ZoL.
1458 [16:06:01] <dadinn> blackflow: are they about to?
1459 [16:06:10] <blackflow> yup
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1462 [16:06:22] <dadinn> blackflow: how come?
1463 [16:06:36] <blackflow>
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1464 [16:06:40] <dadinn> blackflow: aren't they incompatible
codebases?
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1467 [16:07:12] <blackflow> some features are missing. xattr
support in FreeBSD, trim support in ZoL, encryption support in
FreeBSD, and some other nuances
1468 [16:07:36] <blackflow> they'll have to fix that before
full rebase, sure.
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1473 [16:09:16] <kanliot> running buster, how do i get fsck ?
someone removed it?
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1476 [16:11:37] <kanliot> i have fsck.xfs in /sbin but I
can't run the thing after $su
1477 [16:11:41] <dadinn> blackflow: wow, this sounds great!
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1479 [16:12:18] <blackflow> dadinn: depends on whom you ask but in
general, I think so too. moar contrib to ZoL.
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1485 [16:15:32] <dadinn> blackflow: based on the mail, Behlendorf
was supportive, that means some people at FreeBSD are unhappy about
it?
1486 [16:16:03] <blackflow> yes, primarily concerned about missing
features.
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1576 [17:12:29] <dadinn> if I partition a device, is it such that
if the device name ends in numeral then the partition name will be
device + "p" + idx ?
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1578 [17:12:52] <dadinn> like /dev/sda will be /dev/sda{1,2,3,...}
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1581 [17:14:07] <dadinn> but if the device name is /dev/nvme0n1
then the partition will be /dev/nvme0n1p{1,2,3,...}
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1585 [17:16:00] <dadinn> so the trigger between the simple numeric
idx and the pX index suffixes is whether the device name ends in a
number?
1586 [17:16:34] <dadinn> trying to figure out how to write a
script for this
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1589 [17:19:05] <shtrb> no, nvmex (the x registered controller),
sdx the x device connected via sata/pata
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1592 [17:21:02] <EdePopede> what about lvm/raid?
1593 [17:21:18] <dadinn> shtrb: there is no device name
/dev/nvme[0-9]
1594 [17:21:36] <shtrb> it's nvme0 , the n is a namespace
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1596 [17:21:52] <dadinn> shtrb: i only see /dev/nvme[0-9]n[0-9]
pattern
1597 [17:22:12] <shtrb> /dev/nvme0n1p1 0'th controller, 1
namespace , 1 parttion
1598 [17:22:28] <dadinn> and the partition will be
/dev/nvme[0-9]n[0-9]p[0-9]
1599 [17:22:50] <shtrb> When it will be created
1600 [17:22:50] <Greyztar> is there a good source of all shared
out of the box commands that should work on all linux distros?
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1604 [17:24:17] <dadinn> but with /dev/sd[a-z] device names there
is no "p" between the device name and the partition idx
1605 [17:24:19] <EdePopede> Greyztar: there's POSIX, there
are collections like GNU Coreutils and util-linux and BSD's
contribution...
1606 [17:24:22] <n4dir> that sure is a list, but i would not know
if it is complete or such:
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1608 [17:24:57] <EdePopede> heh nice link
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1611 [17:25:29] <Greyztar> thanks all give google some more tries
then,nice to know some basic commands that works on all systems
(,")
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1614 [17:26:39] <n4dir> i'd assume that the basic commands
work out of box on all *linux* systems. On other Unixes they might
work different, or not exist at all.
1615 [17:26:51] <shtrb> EdePopede, both raid and lvm have a higher
level of separation
1616 [17:27:00] <pingfloyd> not even all linux dists
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1618 [17:27:10] <pingfloyd> a base install can vary
1619 [17:27:11] <shtrb> dadinn, as I said the letter after sd mean
the connector index
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1622 [17:27:46] <shtrb> also just stick to uuid if you wish to
play safe
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1624 [17:28:06] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: coreutils is what
you're looking for. It's pretty standard across all
gnu/linux dists
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1627 [17:28:37] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: thanks im looking at it now
cheers!
1628 [17:29:23] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: really most of the gnu
software, but a lot of it is separate from coreutils
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1630 [17:30:00] <dadinn> shtrb: i am writing a script which
partitions a device and then formats the partitions and mounts
them...
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1632 [17:30:24] <shtrb> oh that is going to be fun
1633 [17:30:25] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: ok im just looking to get
atleast some commands working across multiple systems this might be
the way then
1634 [17:30:29] <pingfloyd> for example gnu's tar is separate
from coreutils, but the base commands aren'
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1636 [17:30:39] <dadinn> shtrb: and it is failing because I tried
it on a machine with nvme SSD
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1639 [17:31:10] <dadinn> the device name is /dev/nvme0n1
1640 [17:31:15] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: here's a pretty good
list
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1641 [17:31:19] <shtrb> you know if you screw up some parttions
you are going to need to make some pasta ?
1642 [17:31:49] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: thanks alot ill resign to do
some more reading
1643 [17:31:54] <dadinn> but the partitions, unlike with sda/sdb
device names, is not just a single numeric index, but it has a p
prefix
1644 [17:32:16] <shtrb> dadinn, you can enumerate all block
devices ? are you really wish to touch nvme connections ?
1645 [17:32:16] <dadinn> shtrb: I want to generalize the script so
it can handle these cases
1646 [17:32:42] <dadinn> shtrb: I don't undestand
1647 [17:33:07] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: this will help too
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1648 [17:33:12] <shtrb> If you will damage EFI , or recovery
parttion you would need to pray to the gods to save you
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1652 [17:35:03] <dadinn> shtrb: I still don't get it,
it's a new laptop with windows 10 on it, and there is a 1Tb
SSD, and its path is /dev/nvme0n1
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1654 [17:35:06] <shtrb> what happen if you have a mapper, do you
wish to hit internal data or external ?
1655 [17:35:35] <shtrb> you got a 1 TB nvme drive ?!
1656 [17:35:55] <dadinn> shtrb: i really don't understand
what you mean
1657 [17:35:55] * shtrb drools in the corner
1658 [17:36:09] <dadinn> shtrb: 1Tb yep
1659 [17:36:18] <shtrb> nvme is a connection type, a 1 TB disk is
a a HUGE ssd.
1660 [17:36:20] <dadinn> shtrb: is that something bad?
1661 [17:36:47] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: is it so that some install
gives you an option to install basic utils that those are the gnu
ones?iirc i did an install sometime which didnt include nano though?
1662 [17:37:01] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: pretty much
1663 [17:37:06] <shtrb> dadinn, I would be happy to have a tb ssd
:D it's a great hardware
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1668 [17:37:28] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: usually after a base install
of any of them, you'll have coreutils and make some others. The
rest you install through your package manager.
1669 [17:37:38] <pingfloyd> Greyztar: of the ones you need
1670 [17:37:47] <Greyztar> pingfloyd: yeah seems so thanks again
1671 [17:38:14] <pingfloyd> s/make/maybe/
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1674 [17:38:56] <dadinn> shtrb: well, it was in my christmas
budget, my girlfriend got only socks ;)
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1677 [17:39:26] <pingfloyd> dadinn: she got you a 1tb ssd and you
only got here socks?
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1679 [17:40:07] <noodlepie> I removed netcat and ran the emerge
again - I get this now... ->>
1680 [17:40:10] <noodlepie> [blocks B ] app-emulation/runc
("app-emulation/runc" is blocking
app-emulation/docker-runc-1.0.0_rc4_p20180122)
1681 [17:40:10] <noodlepie> [blocks B ] app-emulation/docker-runc
("app-emulation/docker-runc" is blocking
app-emulation/runc-1.0.0_rc5_p20180509)
1682 [17:40:14] <dadinn> pingfloyd: no, i had to spend the
resources well, so i made the best allocation for our presents :D
1683 [17:40:52] <shtrb> dadinn, sd? is for sata/pata , nvme? for
nvme connection, md/dm? for raid and magic, emmc is /dev/mmcblk? etc
1684 [17:41:29] <noodlepie> oops, I meant that for #Gentoo!
1685 [17:41:31] <shtrb> Is socks some kind of a memory/disk brand
?
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1688 [17:41:54] <pingfloyd> shtrb: no. I think he meant socks you
put on your feet.
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1690 [17:42:22] <shtrb> I couldn't belive a person would just
give a sock as a gift after getting a 1 tb nvme disk .
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1692 [17:42:35] <dadinn> shtrb: the main thing is i want to get
the partition naming scheme right, because it seems device names
ending in numerics get a "p" prefix before the partition
index
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1697 [17:43:32] <shtrb> that is like 400 euro for an intel nvme
ssd (1tb) , that feces is expensive
1698 [17:44:12] <dadinn> shtrb: I already paid her school fees in
Oxford last year, so she gets only socks for christmas ;)
1699 [17:44:15] <shtrb> dadinn, you need to get the type, and
kernel version and you can extrapolite by that, you could also do
fdisk -l to fund the names
1700 [17:44:43] <uio> Hi, I tried to make a bootable usb (Sandisk
32gb) with dd bs=4M if=/home/user/Downloads/boot.iso of=/dev/sdb1
BUT, it would'nt boot... it worked fine with a Kingston. I made
sure to write the whole Sandisk over with zeros via gnome-disks...
any thoughts?
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1702 [17:45:43] <dadinn> shtrb: so there is no simple formula?
1703 [17:45:55] <bites> uio: write it to the block device not the
partition.
1704 [17:46:27] <shtrb> it's simple, if you take all the
possible drivers and just regex it. you could also consider other
options
1705 [17:46:28] <uio> bites: This was my last attempt, before that
I had tried /sdb
1706 [17:46:58] <bites> uio: run "sync" afterwards and
wait for it to return before pulling the card.
1707 [17:47:10] <shtrb> dadinn, "fdisk -l | grep 'Disk
/'" would give you all identified disks for example you
could work from there
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1710 [17:48:19] <shtrb> dadinn, "fdisk -l | grep
'/dev'|grep -vvv Disk|cut -f1 -d' '" for
all parttions locally don't just erase them !
1711 [17:48:23] <uio> bites: I'll give it a go. When it
starts up, it gets to a certain step and then says that it
can't find the boot file.
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1714 [17:48:27] <dadinn> shtrb: i am actually using gdisk
1715 [17:48:40] <dadinn> and these are GPT partitinos
1716 [17:48:43] <dadinn> partitions
1717 [17:48:45] <uio> bites: So the usb is bootable, but something
is amiss..
1718 [17:49:04] <bites> uio: what iso is this?
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1720 [17:49:12] <uio> antix
1721 [17:49:22] <uio> it worked fine on another usb.
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1723 [17:49:46] <bites> if that doesn't work you will have to
ask their support.
1724 [17:50:39] <uio> The issue is not from the iso, it works on
another usb.
1725 [17:50:50] <uio> uio: I'm running Debian, thus I am
here.
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1734 [17:57:31] <blueingress> Hi, I need some help for my wifi..
[kernel 4.19.0-1-amd64, version buster], when I try to boot with
normal mode, the wifi not connect to network. and then I check the
dmesg message:"rtl8192ce: Using firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin
|| rtl8192ce 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load
rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin (-2)"
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1736 [17:59:07] <blueingress> and then I notice it was a fireware
issue: so I update the fireware for realtek "sudo apt-get
update"
1737 [17:59:10] <blueingress> sudo apt-get install
firmware-realtek
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1740 [18:01:23] <blueingress> and then reboot with no warning in
dmesg message. but the same problem remain "wifi not connec to
network"
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1742 [18:02:55] <blueingress> Anyway, I try to use the same kernel
version with recovery mode .... do nothing and just do
"systemctl default", and it works....
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1745 [18:03:43] <blueingress> anyone give some suggestion? thanks.
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1764 [18:11:13] <transhumanist> hi I am using mariadb and cant
seem to reset the root password or a user password and actually have
it stick I am running skip-grant-tables and skip-networking and it
seems to take but the passwords seem not to work
1765 [18:11:20] <transhumanist> any ideas? thanks in advance
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1767 [18:12:22] <jim> transhumanist, is there data in the db?
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1769 [18:12:34] <transhumanist> nope
1770 [18:12:37] <transhumanist> not yet
1771 [18:13:02] <jim> if there's no data, maybe you can purge
the mariadb server and install it again?
1772 [18:13:17] <dadinn> shtrb: ok I starting to understand it, so
based on the device type (hd*, sd*, nvme*, etc.), I should now how
the partition index should be written (wether just a numeric, or
with a "p" prefix)
1773 [18:13:47] <transhumanist> for future I would like to know
why it doesn't take changing the password, seems odd not sure
if this is because I did a secure installation
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1776 [18:14:23] <dadinn> shtrb: now there are 2 question: 1) what
are all the possible device types? 2) does the "p" prefix
only apply to nvme drives?
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1778 [18:14:48] <dadinn> * drives/devices
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1780 [18:15:11] <jim> transhumanist, or maybe you can
dpkg-reconfigure it, and it will set the passwords... maybe
there's info in /usr/share/doc/maria*?
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1784 [18:17:40] <transhumanist> actually thanks jim I am trying
mysqladmin seems to have taken it, will check in a minute
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1786 [18:18:06] <jim> transhumanist, could you run: ls -CFd
/usr/share/doc/maria* | nc termbin.com 9999
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1789 [18:19:54] <jim> transhumanist, it might be helpful in the
future to learn what CLI commands are run by doing those operations
in mysqladmin
1790 [18:20:22] <jim> it may or may not be a good idea to depend
on mysqladmin
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1795 [18:22:07] <transhumanist>
replaced-url
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1800 [18:23:28] <jim> (about termbin: if you have nc installed,
you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls
-CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999)
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1802 [18:25:19] <transhumanist> not sure what the fix is but this
might be a clue
1803 [18:25:22] <transhumanist> This is due to,MySQL is using
unix_socket plugin instead of mysql_native_password plugin for root
user which means mysql trusts the credentials of Linux root user. If
you are loggied in with linux root user, MySQL won't ask for
saperate credentials for MySQL root user. Hence even after changing
password successfully for MySQL root user, it was connecting with No
password.
1804 [18:25:58] <transhumanist> I have even rebooted so that
doesnt seem likely unless its saving it in /var/run or something
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1813 [18:29:59] <jim> transhumanist, ok, so at least that would be
your way in
1814 [18:30:46] <shtrb> dadinn, no you have the p also in mmcblk
names
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1817 [18:31:06] <shtrb> why are you writing such a generic script
in the first place ?
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1819 [18:31:54] <shtrb> Are you know the exact parttion number
that need to be erased (always the n'th parttion ? ) of the
y'th drive. what happen if you have more than one drive ?
1820 [18:33:27] <transhumanist> jim, but what I am saying is I
dont know what that means so what would be the fix? editing a config
file somewhere so it doesnt start using unix_socket?
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1829 [18:38:13] <ikus060> Hello, have an issue with my system. The
IO wait is near 97%. II'm trying to figure why and what io
operation is causing the problemé
1830 [18:38:25] <ikus060> Is is possible to strace all the io
operation some how ?
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1832 [18:39:46] <petn-randall> ikus060: I'd install iotop and
look what is causing the I/O.
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1851 [18:52:03] <p0lyph3m> ikus060: i had once a bad sector on
disk and updatedb cronjob triggered it beeing as you said extreme io
, even if uptime didnt report "much load"
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1853 [18:53:00] <jmcnaught> transhumanist: where you looking at
/usr/share/doc/mariadb-server-10.1/README.Debian.gz? You don't
really need a mariadb root user password if only the root system
user can connect to it. In that same document it shows how to give
grant permissions to another database user that can optionally have
a password set
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1861 [18:57:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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1863 [18:57:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> need some help with network
interfaces
1864 [18:57:42] <transhumanist> ok thanks jmcnaught
1865 [18:57:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am geting guest nics like this
veth6IJQFU@if20
1866 [18:58:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> and i need them to be static again
so i can put them in my interface bride on my host like eno1 eno2
etc
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1911 [19:36:34] <avernos> how can i install a package for a
different kernel from backports? i have a machine upgraded the
stable kernel, but the display is running on backports and they dont
get along..
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1920 [19:46:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok for all of humanity
1921 [19:46:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> vethT1D0D9
1922 [19:46:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> it keeps changin my veth interface
on my guest
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1925 [19:50:04] <yann-kaelig> Hi. How can I prevent to switch the
default route to my secondary network interface in the
/etc/network/interfaces file ?
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1940 [19:54:45] <Sepultura> Hallo
1941 [19:55:20] <Sepultura> I installed debian fresh and it has
the annoying speech it reads the console output :<
1942 [19:55:27] <Sepultura> How do I disable this crap?
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1947 [19:57:43] <yann-kaelig> I have two network interface
configured in interface file, the first is dhcp for the internet ,
and the second static for local network. I don't know why the
default route switch to the second network interface
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1971 [20:09:20] <L1nuxg33k> Sepultura look in Control Center and
Assitive Technologies
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2015 [20:32:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys i keep
getting the random nic names on guest and host can somebody help me
out pls see details here
2016 [20:32:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> |
replaced-url
2017 [20:32:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> lxc on debian
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2040 [20:46:09] <jim> transhumanist, hi, had to step out, just got
back
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2049 [20:48:37] <rant> Sepultura: apt remove speech-dispatcher
2050 [20:48:41] <rant> Sepultura: just a guess..
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2052 [20:48:58] <rant> Sepultura: did you install from a live
media?
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2057 [20:51:49] <L1nuxg33k> ~/names
2058 [20:51:53] <L1nuxg33k> whoops
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2063 [20:55:41] <rant> there it is
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2068 [20:58:21] <dadinn> shtrb: thanks, I think i got it correct
now
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2072 [21:01:38] <shtrb> Sorry, I got a readonly system so I was
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2073 [21:01:43] <shtrb> I'm happy for yo
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2107 [21:27:33] <galaxie> Any way to intercept a second, USB
keyboard's keys and remapping them, different from the main
keyboard?
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2111 [21:28:04] <zleap> why do you need two keyboards ?
2112 [21:28:37] <zleap> however given unix / linux is multiuser it
may be possible
2113 [21:28:52] <shtrb> *multiseat
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2115 [21:29:15] <zleap> so you have 2 keyboards plugged in to the
same computer
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2119 [21:29:53] <zleap> shtrb:
replaced-url
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2121 [21:29:57] <zleap> like that ?
2122 [21:30:08] <whislock> I'm having NCIS flashbacks...
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2125 [21:30:53] <shtrb> zleap I suggested multiseat for galaxie
which he may find usefull if he have two keyboards
2126 [21:31:04] <zleap> oops sorry
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2128 [21:31:41] <shtrb> whislock, call magee he will help you
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2132 [21:32:26] <shtrb> whislock, and if you both type on the same
keyboard you can double the work !
2133 [21:32:51] <zleap> i am guessing you have 2 monitors then
2134 [21:33:00] <zleap> could be handy for collaborative editors
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2136 [21:33:46] <shtrb> McGee, sorry I misspelled his name
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2143 [21:35:35] <shtrb> zleap,
replaced-url
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2155 [21:39:19] <galaxie> zleap: Interested. I'll look into
it.
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2164 [21:41:38] <galaxie> Ah, so XKB can be device-specific; I
assume it can handle more than one keyboard at a time?
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2203 [22:00:15] <rant> I wouldve thought it was magee too based on
the way they say it in the show
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2206 [22:00:30] <rant> and the fact he doesnt seem irish :P
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2232 [22:21:48] <daniele-> how do i get debug logging from
systemd-nspawn?
2233 [22:22:02] <daniele-> SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug systemd-nspawn
-D nixos
2234 [22:22:07] <daniele-> does not do it
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2239 [22:25:01] <phy1729> The debian 9 docker image doesn't
have any deb-src lines in sources.list which apt-get build-dep
requires. What is the suggested method to add those lines? Should I
just append deb-src
replaced-url
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2242 [22:27:18] <rant> that'd be how its done
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2244 [22:28:13] <shtrb> Isn't the "Debian" docker
image a non official image ?
2245 [22:28:56] <shtrb> A work of a dedicated developer, but not
"true" debian
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2256 [22:33:59] <phy1729> Seems that's the case. Maintained
by DDs but not Debian itself
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2258 [22:36:36] <darkcart> howdy
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2304 [22:56:28] <rawtaz> hi there
2305 [22:56:42] <zleap> like that ? hi rawtaz
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2307 [22:57:21] <rawtaz> im reading
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2309 [22:57:43] <rawtaz> so, my question is; why is exim default
if postfix is what the documentation walks you through, and arguably
also what most people like to use?
2310 [22:57:47] <rawtaz> why not just use postfix by default
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2329 [23:06:10] <darkcart> my bet is they just haven't
changed it in such a long time and it's such a low priority
issue that they just keep it
2330 [23:07:01] <zleap> or they go by the motto "if it
ain't broke, don't fix it"
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2333 [23:07:28] <darkcart> that too
2334 [23:07:31] <darkcart> can't blame them honestly
2335 [23:07:31] <rawtaz> then again, if it aint used, dont keep it
:D
2336 [23:07:42] <darkcart> i assure you SOMEBODY uses it
2337 [23:07:48] <rawtaz> of course
2338 [23:07:50] <darkcart> and that somebody would be pissed if
debian axed support
2339 [23:07:55] <rawtaz> but if it's 10% of the installs,..
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2342 [23:08:06] <rawtaz> well they dont need to axe support for
it, just change the default
2343 [23:08:12] <johnfg> hi folks
2344 [23:08:15] <darkcart> hi john
2345 [23:08:19] <rawtaz> but i was just curious
2346 [23:08:21] <rawtaz> thanks!
2347 [23:08:26] <darkcart> np
2348 [23:08:32] <darkcart> i guess?
2349 [23:08:41] <rawtaz> :>
2350 [23:08:58] <johnfg> I've got a new installation of
buster. Installing php, and it recommended php-mcrypt, but it
doesn't appear to be available for testing. Is there a
replacement?
2351 [23:09:55] <darkcart> if it's just recommended you could
probably skip it and be fine
2352 [23:10:05] <darkcart> it's actually deprecated in php7
2353 [23:10:30] <darkcart> what php version are you installing?
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2355 [23:11:04] <johnfg> 7.3, as this is needed for typo3 cms.
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2357 [23:11:37] <johnfg> That's why I'm running testing,
wanted to try the newest typo3, and it needs 7.2 or higher.
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2359 [23:12:24] <darkcart> ...huh
2360 [23:12:31] <darkcart> it requires mcrypt and php 7.2 or
higher?
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2363 [23:13:19] <johnfg> Not the mcrypt specifically, but when
installing 7.3, deb recommended it (which recommends I don't
always follow)
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2365 [23:14:22] <darkcart> according to what i'm reading php
7.2 removed mcrypt support entirely
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2367 [23:14:31] <darkcart> so i guess just ignore the
recommendation
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2369 [23:15:10] <johnfg> darkcart: Ok, thanks for checking that
out. I checked on the typo3 php extensions, and they don't list
mcrypt (which would make sense).
2370 [23:15:32] <darkcart> alright yeah that makes more sense
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