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1[00:00:28] <jhutchins> missmbob: passwd root as root is
redundant.
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2[00:00:40] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: yeah I would use
resolvconf, and "echo 'nameserver x.x.x.x' >>
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head"
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3[00:00:47] <jhutchins> komomayo: The Linux System
Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource:
replaced-url
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5[00:01:06] <missmbob> jhutchins: you're really going to
make it more confusing and get on my back when the factoid posted
said "passwd root"?
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6[00:01:14] <jmcnaught> coldrye: then it wouldn't be
Debian anymore, but some derivative
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7[00:01:39] <jhutchins> missmbob: It's still redundant.
Maybe I'll fix the factoid.
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9[00:01:54] <missmbob> jhutchins: i was helping him make sense
of it. "replace what the factoid said with this"
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10[00:01:57] <missmbob> jesus
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12[00:02:10] <coldrye> jmcnaught: who said, debian could not
reinvent itself?
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14[00:02:41] <jmcnaught> coldrye: nobody said that, but
it's not going to happen because someone suggested on IRC
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15[00:03:06] <coldrye> jmcnaught: good point
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16[00:03:23] <notlikeme> jmcnaught: will it be enough to force
'nameserver x.x.x.x' for all possible connections? and the
main question do we have a guarantee that no modification will come
from other side (like DHCP service)?
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19[00:05:11] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: read about resolvconf (the
package, no period) and what it does. If you put a nameserver in
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head it will be listed first in
/etc/resolv.conf any time that file gets updated
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21[00:05:46] <jhutchins> missmbob: Apologies, I'm
multitasking.
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22[00:06:05] <missmbob> jhutchins: no worries. we all do it.
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23[00:06:20] <rly> notlikeme: are you just an end user who
wants to do this or are you doing some fancy enterprise setup?
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24[00:06:24] <coldrye> jhutchins: you need to make your context
switches more stable :D
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27[00:07:31] <jhutchins> notlikeme: I think if you read the man
resolvconf or man resolvconf.conf pages you'll have a better
idea of your options.
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29[00:07:49] <notlikeme> rly: enduser here :)
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33[00:08:20] <jhutchins> notlikeme: That and look at the docs
for whatever other networking protocols you're using besides
regualr direct connections.
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34[00:08:22] <eszett> hi guys. a question from a noob: i have
installed debian, and need to install several libraries, with
"sudo apt-get install ...". However when im in the
terminal it tells me it doesnt know the command "sudo",
what do i do wrong?
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35[00:08:42] <jhutchins> notlikeme: Linux is about learning.
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37[00:09:12] <coldrye> eszett: you have no sudo installed
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38[00:09:13] <somiaj> eszett: sudo is not installed by default.
YOu will have to install it and then add your user to the sudo group
to give the user root privlages via sudo
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39[00:09:16] <rly> notlikeme: in that case, I would *highly*
recommend you to just get a working router that works correctly with
DHCP.
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40[00:09:27] <jmcnaught> eszett: you can become root with
"su -l" and then type the root password (that you created
in the installer). Then you can "apt-get install sudo" and
"adduser myusername sudo" to add your user to the sudo
group
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41[00:09:28] <eszett> oh that sounds complicated. ok lets do it
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42[00:09:28] <somiaj> eszett: so apt-get install sudo, then
adduser username sudo (run those as root)
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43[00:09:46] <eszett> ok slowly.. i have to write that down :-)
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46[00:09:54] <eszett> How do i install sudo?
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48[00:10:14] <dooglus> eszett: "sudo apt-get install
sudo"?
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50[00:10:18] <eszett> lol..
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51[00:10:22] <`Kevin> wow :P
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52[00:10:24] <`Kevin> haha
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55[00:10:35] <coldrye> eszett: best in the installer, enable
sudo per default
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57[00:10:36] <eszett> even I have understood the joke
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59[00:10:47] <eszett> coldrye: alright ill try
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60[00:10:52] <dooglus> eszett: as root, "apt-get install
sudo"
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62[00:10:55] <`Kevin> eszett: su to root (you set a root pw on
install?)
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63[00:11:06] <notlikeme> jhutchins: thx, ill try once more.
after first attempt its still unclear for me, cuz debian wiki says
about resolvconf as one of three programs which "will be happy
to modify my resolv.conf"
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65[00:12:00] <coldrye> does resolv.conf.d not require a
secondary package?
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67[00:12:32] <notlikeme> jhutchins: i read about DHCP and there
is "prepend domain-name-servers x.x.x.x;..." option within
/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and all my attempts to find what option and
program is primary failed
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68[00:12:32] <eszett> hooray, im logged in as root!
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74[00:13:12] <coldrye> eszett: now break the system and repair
it without reinstalling it
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76[00:14:34] <notlikeme> rly: im trying to implement a bit
different thing. trying to block reverse DNS request via dnsmasq. i
believe i need to guarantee "nameserver 127.0.0.1" is the
first line in resolv.conf for that to work.
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79[00:15:16] <komomayo> if i want rest user password
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81[00:15:25] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: 'block reverse DNS
request'... but why?
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82[00:15:26] <komomayo> and the name with space
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84[00:15:34] <komomayo> eg. lol mak
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85[00:15:41] <komomayo> how can i rest it on command
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86[00:15:42] <komomayo> ?
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87[00:15:49] <eszett> coldrye: ye.. well I typed "apt-get
install sudo" and it wants to have the CD, but i have no CD, it
runs on a VM
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88[00:16:01] <jhutchins> notlikeme: Did you try man
dhclient.conf?
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89[00:16:22] <coldrye> eszett: i thought you were already
logged in as root?
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90[00:16:25] <jmcnaught> komomayo: please finish a thought
before hitting <enter> instead of spanning it across five or
six lines. Read the manual page for the passwd command "man
passwd" to see how to change passwords
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91[00:16:26] <jhutchins> notlikeme: You should have apropos
installed, apropos foo will tell you about any man pages related to
foo.
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92[00:16:29] <eszett> yes i am logged in as root
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93[00:16:54] <eszett> root@osboxes$
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94[00:17:06] <jhutchins> coldrye: I believe that resolv.conf.d
is either part of the resolvconf package, which is standard, or you
can arbitrarily create it.
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95[00:17:06] <coldrye> eszett: see /etc/apt/sources.list and
outcomment the cd based sources
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96[00:17:18] <rly> notlikeme: IMHO, the resolvconf set of tools
is not as high quality as one would want. If it works, great, but if
it doesn't it creates a nightmare.
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97[00:17:32] <eszett> coldrye: ok
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98[00:17:36] <jhutchins> coldrye: The .d directory convention
allows installers to easily remove conf files they've added to
a program.
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100[00:17:48] <komomayo> jmcnaught , user lol mak , tell me
command , passwd lol mak , isnt works
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102[00:18:11] <jmcnaught> komomayo: you have a space character
in your username?
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104[00:18:12] <coldrye> komomayo: you do not want user names
with spaces in it, believe me
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105[00:18:20] <jhutchins> !tell eszett about sources.list
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107[00:18:33] <`Kevin> eszett: you can also >> cat
/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list an an example
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108[00:18:34] <komomayo> jmcnaught yes its with space
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109[00:18:39] <jhutchins> eszett: See PM from dpkg, comment out
the CD entries.
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111[00:19:00] <`Kevin> as a example*
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112[00:19:33] <jmcnaught> komomayo: escape the space character
with a backslash, for example: passwd lol\ mak
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114[00:20:10] <notlikeme> jhutchins: thank you. while i feel its
smth like meta information between few tools, ill try with
"man" for sure. i need to know what tool has priority over
everything else. so i know for sure: i placed nameserver inside
../resolv.conf.d/head and it will be *always* on first place in
/etc/resolv.conf
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115[00:20:51] <eszett> I got the idea of commenting out
sources.list, but first i have to login the GUI as root, to have the
permissions to do so
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116[00:20:51] <rly> notlikeme: I think that's what it
should do, but I don't think it always does that.
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118[00:21:06] <rly> notlikeme: I suppose you could open a bug if
it doesn't.
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120[00:21:21] <`Kevin> eszett: if you are SUd to root in a
terminal then you can edit it
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123[00:21:50] <coldrye> eszett: just use vi
/etc/apt/sources.list :D
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124[00:21:53] <eszett> really? hm ok
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125[00:21:55] <notlikeme> rly: any better way to block DNS
requests for specific destination maybe? after 10 hrs of research i
feel so confused
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126[00:22:10] <eszett> yes vi is better
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128[00:22:44] <notlikeme> rly: i know its possible via iptables
hack, with scanning request data and looking for specific
hex-string, but it feels even more unstable
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130[00:24:11] <`Kevin> notlikeme: I wouldn't say unstable
but certainly not performant from a packets/sec propsective
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135[00:25:42] <rly> notlikeme: you mean reverse lookups still?
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138[00:27:34] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: what is the root problem
you are trying to solve by blocking reverse DNS?
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139[00:27:44] <rly> notlikeme: I think there are many resources
on the Internet for configuring dnsmasq to be used for your DNS
lookups.
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140[00:27:58] <rly> notlikeme: so, what you are doing is likely
to be the simplest.
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142[00:28:06] <rly> notlikeme: I also had it configured like
that at some point.
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143[00:28:16] <missmbob> rly: not really. the provider of the ip
is the one in charge of reverse
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144[00:29:09] <rly> missmbob: are you notlikeme?
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145[00:29:33] <notlikeme> rly: ye. atm i have dnsmasq on
127.0.0.1:53 and
"server=/220.11.10.160.in-addr.arpa/0.0.0.0" string in
dnsmasq.conf, everything works well until my /etc/resolv.conf gets
suddenly overwritten and "nameserver 127.0.0.1" gets lost
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146[00:29:35] <missmbob> rly: is that an irc user? no, i'm
not. i'm also known as markybob
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147[00:29:36] <jmcnaught> i have the dnsmasq run by libvirt at
the first namserver listed in resolv.conf using the resolvconf,
which allows me to resolve the hostnames of VMs
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149[00:29:54] <Shadonovitch> Hi, is there anyway to make all my
already existing users get the new version of /etc/skel ?
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150[00:30:23] <rly> missmbob: I am not sure why you talked to me
then.
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151[00:30:32] <rly> missmbob: you didn't tell me anything
which is both new and correct.
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152[00:30:35] <notlikeme> jmcnaught: i want to prevent DNS
leakage for specific IP. privacy related.
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153[00:30:45] <missmbob> everyone has an attitude today.
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155[00:31:08] <coldrye> notlikeme: why do you not simply define
an iptables rule for that?
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156[00:31:09] <jmcnaught> notlikeme: okay. the method i
described with resolvconf's head file has been very reliable
for me
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157[00:31:33] <komomayo> i need somebody to enter teamviewer ,
and check my problem , i can pay
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158[00:31:45] <jmcnaught> komomayo: we don't do that around
here
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159[00:31:53] <otyugh_II> hey
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160[00:32:20] <komomayo> jmcnaught i tried everything nothing
works , and im paying..
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161[00:32:23] <coldrye> komomayo: have you tried stackoverflow
yet?
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163[00:32:39] <otyugh_II> do you know where to look out to
"create" an original session ? Let say making an
alternative to xfce-session, using for instance the caja's
desktop. Could I do that ?
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164[00:32:47] <komomayo> coldrye im noob , idk
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166[00:32:57] <notlikeme> coldrye: it feels very hacky for me. i
dont like a method of parsing DNS request as raw binary looking for
string.
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167[00:33:00] <jmcnaught> komomayo: this is a volunteer support
for Debian, which doesn't even have teamviewer. Also it would
be dumb for anyone to log into your machine, because if you think
they broke something you could try and sue them.
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170[00:34:19] <komomayo> I take full responsibility
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172[00:34:36] <jmcnaught> komomayo: if you read over the first
five or six links on this page you won't be a noob anymore:
replaced-url
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173[00:34:43] <coldrye> notlikeme: seems to me that you want to
prevent certain hosts from accessing certain dns records. now, why
not define an iptables rule that drops/disallows access from those
ipaddresses to port 53 to the destination which is your
forwarding/caching dns?
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174[00:34:56] <komomayo> jmcnaught is there video>?
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175[00:35:07] <komomayo> jmcnaught , becuase i dont have much
time
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176[00:35:16] <jmcnaught> komomayo: no but several of the books
are available in multiple languages
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177[00:35:17] <komomayo> jmcnaught is there video>?
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179[00:35:34] <eszett> Alright, thanks guys. "sudo apt-get
install ..." is running now. very well!
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180[00:35:52] <jmcnaught> komomayo: you'd also benefit from
reading about IRC etiquette
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181[00:35:59] <komomayo> jmcnaught , can you use teamviewer? i
will pay and i take full responsibility
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182[00:36:03] <notlikeme> jmcnaught: thx man. i just want to
find at least somewhere that "its guaranteed that noone never
will insert anything before ../resolv.conf.d/head" and im done
:)
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183[00:36:08] <rly> notlikeme: if you really want privacy, you
shouldn't be using Debian, but something designed for the task.
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184[00:36:38] <notlikeme> coldrye: i try to block my laptop from
requesting reverse DNS for specific IP
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185[00:37:12] <r3> no way would I accept a challenge to
"recover" a root password on some stranger's system,
not even for money - nope nope nope
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186[00:37:33] <teraflops> notlikeme: use unbound
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187[00:37:38] <missmbob> r3: you don't want to go to jail?
smart
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190[00:38:12] <notlikeme> rly: mmm... but is there anything
wrong with well-configured Debian?
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191[00:38:21] <jmcnaught> no
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193[00:38:36] <rly> notlikeme: well-configured as a normal end
user doesn't exist.
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196[00:38:53] <rly> notlikeme: if you have a decade of
experience in networking and Debian, perhaps.
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197[00:38:54] <coldrye> notlikeme: sounds like a bogus use case
to me, why allow forward lookups and disallow reverse lookups?
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198[00:39:26] <teraflops> coldrye: looks like a bug I recall
using openvpn it appends dns nameservers
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199[00:39:27] <rly> notlikeme: you can always just build
whatever resolving is leaking from source and add a conditional.
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200[00:39:48] <rly> resolver*
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201[00:39:58] <teraflops> notlikeme: I do unbound + openresolv I
only have 127.0.0.1 as nameserver
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202[00:40:18] <teraflops> notlikeme: also dnssec
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203[00:40:25] <notlikeme> coldrye: i access certain resource
only via ip-address. however, as i see (dnsmasq way), there is no
problem to block forward lookup once it done for reverse, or vice
versa.
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204[00:40:29] <teraflops> at least validation
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205[00:41:55] <notlikeme> teraflops: thank you, will definetly
check it out
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207[00:42:32] <jmcnaught> do recursive nameservers tell the
upstream nameservers the address or IP of the computer making the
original request?
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208[00:43:13] <jmcnaught> because dnsmasq isn't even a
recursive nameserver, so it would be asking the next nameserver
listed in /etc/resolv.conf for anything it doesn't know about
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210[00:44:54] <notlikeme> rly: dont you think that "we made
it secure for you" distributions may be even more unsafe?
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211[00:45:03] <teraflops> jmcnaught: that's why it gross
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212[00:45:11] <teraflops> it's
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213[00:45:43] <rly> notlikeme: you can compute diffs, if you
want.
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215[00:45:55] <rly> notlikeme: and then build the distros from
source.
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216[00:46:24] <teraflops> consider running a vpn and pushing
nameserver from server, but in the client side just appending to
existing ones
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219[00:46:40] <rly> notlikeme: I don't think you can run
any secure system as a consumer, regardless.
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221[00:47:38] <teraflops> rly: well but the user can do many
things
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223[00:47:59] <rly> teraflops: sure, but the amount of people on
the planet which actually can do these things is pretty limited.
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224[00:48:18] <rly> teraflops: if it's 10000, I think
it's already a lot.
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225[00:48:49] <teraflops> rly: what you say sounded to me: hey
don't care about security because it's a lost battle, well
I disagree
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226[00:49:00] <notlikeme> rly: i decided to configure everything
myself at least to learn more
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229[00:49:53] <rly> teraflops: you can "care", but it
won't make a difference.
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231[00:50:38] <rly> teraflops: DARPA only recently found a
method which seems to keep hackers out; full on formal verification.
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233[00:51:25] <teraflops> rly: well I still disagree, anyway we
are getting offtopic
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235[00:51:35] <notlikeme> what do you guys think of proper
isolation? is "cgroups + hardened kernel" enough to run
untrusted/proprietary apps?
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236[00:51:52] <rly> notlikeme: just buy an extra physical
machine.
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237[00:52:01] <rly> notlikeme: and do not connect it to the
Internet, ever.
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238[00:52:35] <notlikeme> rly: you are laughing at me, ok, at
least im able to understand :)
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240[00:52:51] <rly> notlikeme: I am not laughing.
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241[00:53:10] <rly> notlikeme: it's just that
"security" is not something the population wants to have.
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242[00:53:17] <rly> At least, nobody is paying for security.
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244[00:53:43] <rly> So, expecting security is just unwise.
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245[00:53:53] <coldrye> rly: oh, they are paying, and well by
that
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246[00:54:03] <rly> coldrye: ransomware? ;)
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247[00:54:25] <rly> Or as in taxes?
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248[00:54:32] <coldrye> rly: surveillance and taxes, yes
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249[00:54:40] * GeMiNniS bye
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254[00:55:31] <rly> coldrye: surveillance is also what helps
maintain stability.
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255[00:55:53] <rly> coldrye: without surveillance the human race
would likely have already been nuked to oblivion.
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256[00:55:55] <notlikeme> rly: your answers are very idealistic.
"totally insecure" vs "totally secure (separate
physical machine disconnected from internet)" and nothing
between
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258[00:56:45] <rly> notlikeme: a separate physical machine
disconnected from the internet is not "totally secure".
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259[00:56:57] <notlikeme> close to
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262[00:57:31] <rly> notlikeme: you are probably completely
uninteresting to monitor.
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264[00:57:44] <coldrye> rly: surveillance is what comes from
aggravation induced by continous warfare in the middle east induced
by the NATO
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265[00:58:18] <rly> coldrye: surveillance has always existed.
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267[00:58:34] <rly> coldrye: it's just that before the
Internet, nobody knew they existed.
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269[00:58:57] <notlikeme> rly: you are right, i'm not
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270[00:58:58] <missmbob> rly: really? do you know history at
all?
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271[00:59:00] <rly> coldrye: controlling the cattle (I mean
population) has always been a hot topic.
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273[00:59:16] <rly> missmbob: do you?
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274[00:59:18] <missmbob> anyway...
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275[00:59:20] <missmbob> !ot
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276[00:59:20] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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277[00:59:25] <prussian> lol
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279[01:00:37] <coldrye> rly: yes, surveillance of actions and
intent by other states did, but surveillance of the own people did
only marginally exist in so called democratic states, and now it
becomes a commodity
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280[01:01:08] <coldrye> and yes, this is ot
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281[01:01:36] <WangDang> Anyone know how to revive a dead system
service? "systemctl status apt-daily.service" shows it is
loaded but "inactive (dead)". I already tried
"systemctl start apt-daily.service". It just showed the
same status.
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282[01:02:24] <coldrye> WangDang: is there a lock file that
prevents the service from being started?
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283[01:02:39] <missmbob> WangDang: that's because it's
a cron thing. doesn't run all the time
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285[01:02:59] <WangDang> coldrye: I don't know, how would I
check?
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287[01:03:16] <WangDang> missmbob: it's supposed to run
every day at 6pm
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288[01:03:17] <coldrye> WangDang: see answer from missmbob
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289[01:03:30] <missmbob> WangDang: right. is it exactly 6pm now?
so it's not running *now*
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290[01:03:56] <WangDang> it's 7pm here. It should have
started an hour ago
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291[01:04:09] <missmbob> WangDang: yeah. it should last just a
few seconds
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293[01:04:44] <WangDang> missmbob: but it should log that it
started. There is no update to the log
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295[01:04:52] <coldrye> WangDang: see /var/log/syslog for cron
entries and find your apt.daily there
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299[01:06:14] <stoned> rly: then you have to worry about
physical security of the system.
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300[01:06:16] <WangDang> coldrye: the only cron entries inn
syslog are for cron.hourly. There is nothing for .daily
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302[01:06:37] <stoned> Just because we have unplugged does not
mean that we are automatically secure.
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303[01:06:47] <missmbob> WangDang: oh i remember you.
you're the one using apt v 1.3, right?
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306[01:06:53] <rly> stoned: I know.
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307[01:07:00] <stoned> Wicked.
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308[01:07:41] <missmbob> WangDang: 1.3 doesn't have an apt
daily cron job. we covered this the other day.
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311[01:08:20] <WangDang> yes! It turns out that using
/etc/cron.daily/apt is deprecated as of apt 1.2. auto updates are
supposed to be run via systemctl now. That's why I'm back
to trying to figure why it isn't working
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312[01:08:28] <missmbob> WangDang: also, since you're in
stretch/sid, you should ask questions in #debian-next on OFTC, not
here
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313[01:08:44] <missmbob> WangDang: ask the right channel.
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314[01:08:57] <WangDang> Okey, thanks
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323[01:15:37] <coldrye> missmbob:one must be invited to
debian-next...
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324[01:16:17] <missmbob> coldrye: it's on OFTC not freenode
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325[01:16:29] <stoned> irc.debian.org
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326[01:16:43] <coldrye> oh my...
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329[01:17:45] <WangDang> Yeah, I'm on without an invite.
Though it is pretty quiet over there...
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338[01:22:59] <coldrye> WangDang: if it is a dead horse, just
stir until the maggots come to life...
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340[01:24:30] <WangDang> lol
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342[01:24:44] <stoned> When it comes to an ugly image... you
can't beat a dead horse!
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351[01:29:17] <coldrye> stoned: tell that to my former employer
:D
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353[01:29:37] <germangirl>
replaced-url
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354[01:30:07] <stoned> the hell
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355[01:30:16] <germangirl> This one minute video is packed to
the brim with crucial truth. A small tribe controls mass media and
is using their power to destroy us.
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356[01:30:36] <stoned> germangirl: G'way.
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357[01:30:41] <stoned> germangirl: G'way, you.
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358[01:30:54] <germangirl> This is the reuploading of a video
that is constantly taken down by Youtube, because it is the truth.
Help to backup these truths. Download and save the video!
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359[01:31:02] <Klaus_D1eter_> hm still the libvirt network here
is weird. I managed to sourt out the ip address conflict but one of
the VMs still loses network connectivity after a while. arp from
outside the vm is not visible and it also does not get out any more
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361[01:31:13] <Klaus_D1eter_> so inside the vm hosts outside
cannot be resolved
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362[01:31:22] <germangirl>
replaced-url
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365[01:31:40] <WangDang> ops! germangirl is spamming the channel
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390[01:45:43] <temp> Hi everybody, anyone can advise me a good
VPN?
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392[01:47:06] <teraflops> software or provider?
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394[01:47:39] <temp> provider (no free)
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395[01:47:55] <teraflops> temp: no idea sorry
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400[01:49:15] <temp> no problem. Thank you
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401[01:50:07] <teraflops> temp: *I* prefer a good vps service
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402[01:50:35] <Elronnd> I recently had to reinstall my os, so I
made a backup of a few important files on a usb stick
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403[01:50:45] <Elronnd> I can't mount it, though, and fsck
tells me it can't find anything interesting
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404[01:51:01] <Elronnd> when I try to mkfs.ext4 on it, though,
it says it's found an ext4 fs on it
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405[01:51:06] <Elronnd> is there any way to recover my files/
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406[01:51:22] <temp> teraflops, what is a good vpn service?
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408[01:52:21] <teraflops> temp: there are many
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409[01:52:24] <eszett> I have a question, after a while I have a
screen that just shows the Time, which allows no user interaction
anymore, is that a kind of debian screensaver? how can i exit it?
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410[01:52:43] <Elronnd> eszett: sounds like gnome's
screensaver
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411[01:52:47] <eszett> "00:52 Friday, 07 October"
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412[01:52:53] <Elronnd> press "enter," or click on the
bottom of the screen and drag up
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413[01:52:57] <eszett> ok
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414[01:53:00] <teraflops> temp: wait vpn or vps¿
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415[01:53:10] <teraflops> *?
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417[01:53:12] <temp> vpn
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418[01:53:14] <temp> :)
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419[01:53:23] <eszett> Elrond prince of the elves: no reaction
from the screensaver..
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420[01:53:29] <teraflops> openvpn is not that bad
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422[01:54:31] <eszett> ah, now the mysterious screensaver took
me back to a login screen, where i can login again. ok, annoying,
but at least im in the system again!
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424[01:55:01] <Elronnd> eszett: I believe you can disable the
screensaver in gnome-settings
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425[01:55:40] <teraflops> eszett: ssh into the machine while the
screensaver is runnig and and look at what processes are running?
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426[01:56:05] <AvatarA> Elronnd, testdisk is one of many,
although it's really hard to tell from your info what went
wrong
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427[01:56:16] <teraflops> list installed packages and grep for
something related?
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429[01:56:40] <teraflops> gnome-screensaver is a thing iirc
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430[01:57:01] <Elronnd> teraflops: open settings
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431[01:57:13] <teraflops> me?
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432[01:57:14] <Elronnd> AvatarA: thanks, I'll install that
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433[01:57:17] <teraflops> heh
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434[01:57:24] <Elronnd> oh, sorry
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435[01:57:28] <Elronnd> eszett: open settings
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436[01:57:35] <Elronnd> gnome has a fancy front-end to gsettings
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437[01:57:36] <Elronnd> open power
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438[01:57:37] <teraflops> Elronnd: nah np
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439[01:57:43] <Elronnd> there should be a screensaver thing
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440[01:58:09] <Elronnd> AvatarA: testdisk says "Unable to
open file or device /dev/sdb: No medium found"
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445[02:02:44] <AvatarA> are you sure it's sdb?
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446[02:02:59] <AvatarA> what does lsblk show?
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448[02:03:42] <Elronnd> lsblk only shows /dev/sda*, my main
partition
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450[02:04:07] <Elronnd> /dev/sdb is definitely there, though,
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451[02:04:36] <Elronnd> oh here we go. I plugged it back in, and
now testdisk is picking it up
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453[02:05:56] <foldingchair> i want to install debian on my
laptop and use it outside a server environment. in the live cd
session, my realtek wifi adapter isn't usable, and the
installer says i need to load up the .bin driver for my wifi
adpater. in ubuntu, wifi works without any action from me. i believe
this is because ubuntu added nonfree drivers. is there a build of
debian that includes nonfree drivers and will work out of the box?
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455[02:06:19] <AvatarA> yes
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457[02:06:46] <teraflops> foldingchair:
replaced-url
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459[02:07:19] <foldingchair> AvatarA, teraflops aah cool!
i'll check this out. thanks.
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460[02:07:24] <teraflops> np
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461[02:07:46] <tx> does that image include non-free firmware
such as wifi firmware?
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465[02:08:28] <AvatarA> all non-free firmware there is for
debian
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466[02:08:32] <AvatarA> video firmware, etc
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467[02:08:38] <tx> right
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468[02:08:56] <tx> I thought it may have just been a sub-set
that fixes boot-preventing problems.
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469[02:09:06] <tx> Networking (and especially wifi) isn't
exactly boot breaking.
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471[02:10:35] <AvatarA> it includes everything since it's
not a problem, it just takes up a little bit of disk space but
doesn't get loaded if it's not needed
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473[02:11:03] <AvatarA> but there is a way to add only the
needed firmware to your official debian install image/live image
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475[02:11:31] <Elronnd> AvatarA: testdisk, while in the middle
of testing my disk, reports "Read error at 6403/14/4
(lba=13113795)"
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476[02:11:56] <olivier> Is it better to have a debian 100% free
( with no contrib and non free)
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477[02:12:01] <AvatarA> and sometimes when there is no wifi, it
isn't boot breaking but it can be a big problem for some
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478[02:12:32] <teraflops> olivier: that looks like a personal
decision
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479[02:12:32] <AvatarA> I don't know if it applies to to
usb sticks
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480[02:12:42] <AvatarA> but badblocks can test for... well,
badblocks :)
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481[02:12:49] <olivier> terflops : what is the better ?
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482[02:12:50] <Elronnd> is there a way to fix it?
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483[02:13:02] <olivier> because since three days, I'm
curious about that
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484[02:13:04] <Elronnd> as I said, fsck didn't have any
useful results aside from "couldn't find anything"
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485[02:13:25] <teraflops> badblocks in sdcard/ssd/usbtick is a
good idea?
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486[02:13:57] <Elronnd> oh I see
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487[02:14:00] <Elronnd> badblocks is a utility
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488[02:14:08] <olivier> Oh, and I would like to know if anybody
know a good program on linux to watch tv
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490[02:14:11] <Elronnd> I'll install/run it once testdisk
finishes
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491[02:14:26] <teraflops> Elronnd: that and the fact that the
usb stick is not always detected looks like a bad signal
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492[02:14:30] <Elronnd> olivier: what exactly do you mean by
"watch tv"?
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493[02:15:31] <Elronnd> teraflops: is there any way to try and
recover the data on it?
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494[02:15:31] <teraflops> olivier: tvheadend does dvb-t/s and
iptv if you meant that
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495[02:16:00] <teraflops> Elronnd: idk if badblocks is a good
idea in a flash memory
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496[02:16:13] <olivier> Elronnd : I'm canadian but I live
in France, I found a program. With this program, I can watch french
tv legally but this program don't respect the rules of linux
(it's a appimage and I ask the developer, this program is not
free) and I prefer program free totally free
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497[02:16:29] <teraflops> olivier: perhaps ddrescue im not sure
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498[02:16:52] <olivier> I enter this in the terminal ? or
perhaps ddrescue is the program ?
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499[02:17:09] <teraflops> olivier: oh sorry i meant Elronnd
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500[02:17:12] <teraflops> my bad
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501[02:17:23] <olivier> Oh, it's okay !
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502[02:17:34] <olivier> And I ask if it's better to have a
debian totally free
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503[02:18:05] <teraflops> it's up to you
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504[02:18:41] <olivier> and for you ?
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505[02:18:54] <teraflops> I dont care to be honest
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507[02:19:58] <tx> I do up to a point
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508[02:20:07] <tx> I understand firmware can't always be
free.
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509[02:20:40] <olivier> teraflops :But on linux, it's not
bad to have a non free program or a contrib ? (I know that is a
weird question)
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511[02:20:59] <teraflops> olivier: yeah I told you it's up
to you
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512[02:21:11] <AvatarA> it's a very broad question
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513[02:21:19] <teraflops> olivier: I *personally* don't
care
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514[02:21:31] <AvatarA> if it's about trust and the fact
you can't trust closed source software, you can isolate it
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515[02:21:35] <teraflops> olivier: I care more on the hardware
side
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516[02:21:46] <teraflops> as tx pointed
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517[02:21:55] <olivier> I have on my computer, one closed source
software so..
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518[02:22:18] <coldrye> olivier: regardless of the program you
use there is no good program on tv
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520[02:23:04] <olivier> okay so it's better to keep the
program i found ?
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522[02:23:38] <AvatarA> if it does its job well, keep it
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523[02:23:48] <AvatarA> if you don't trust it, isolate it
from the rest of the system
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526[02:24:30] <olivier> AvatarA : When you say isolate it from
the rest of the system, it's mean delete the program ?
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527[02:24:36] <coldrye> is AvatarA a KI?
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528[02:25:19] <coldrye> KI/AI?
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529[02:25:29] <AvatarA> I mean isolate it so it can only access
its own data and cannot access your personal files, photos etc.
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530[02:26:00] <awal1> olivier, well, sometimes you're like
"obligated" to use X pkg from non-free and contrib,
something like iwlwifi...
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533[02:26:13] <AvatarA> isolation is also a broad subject, you
can isolate in virtual machines, emulators, systemd containers and
many others
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537[02:26:49] <olivier> AvatarA : I'm not good in virtual
system so...
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538[02:27:05] <AvatarA> I can give you a concrete example, I run
PokerStars
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539[02:27:20] <AvatarA> I have made a separate user and home
directory for it
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540[02:27:32] <AvatarA> when I need to run that I login as that
user and run the program
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541[02:27:42] <AvatarA> this is weak isolation but it's
good enough for my purpose
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542[02:27:57] <olivier> okay, so you stay on debian ?
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544[02:28:13] <olivier> and you create a new user for others
programs ?
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545[02:28:16] <AvatarA> why did I do it? because they have a
utility that spies on some stuff you run on your computer to make
sure you aren't cheating
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548[02:28:58] <olivier> AvatarA : So, if I understand, you
create new user for the others programs right ?
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549[02:29:07] <AvatarA> for THIS CASE
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550[02:29:14] <olivier> okay
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551[02:30:05] <olivier> AvatarA : I try that. Thank you for the
advice !
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556[02:31:33] <olivier> I have to go. Thank you for your help :)
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561[02:34:48] <eszett> how can i change the look of my terminal
windows. with other colors, and other font, etc?
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562[02:35:00] <eszett> maybe can i install a different terminal
software?
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565[02:38:13] <th3jam3sd3an> eszett: have you tried
right-clicking the term window and going to profile preferences?
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577[02:47:01] <eszett> thejamesdean: yes, that did work thanks!
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578[02:47:27] <th3jam3sd3an> eszett, no worries and you are
welcome :)
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579[02:47:29] <Elronnd> holy shit thank got
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580[02:47:35] <Elronnd> thanks for the pointer AvatarA
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581[02:47:44] <Elronnd> testdisk gave me a cmdline for fsck
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582[02:47:49] <Elronnd> which actually recovered my disc
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638[03:19:39] <AvatarA> Elronnd, that's good but next time
you could use a separate home partition and that way you can keep
whatever you need when you reinstall
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694[03:55:37] <henrygeorge> hey
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695[03:55:53] <henrygeorge> anyone here using debian with zfs
and some big scsi attached storage liek say 45T
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696[03:55:57] <henrygeorge> raid 10?
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697[03:56:04] <henrygeorge> I am stunned by the experiments i am
running
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698[03:56:13] <henrygeorge> 24x speed of raid 5 previous setup
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700[03:56:18] <henrygeorge> holy makrel
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701[03:57:28] <denken> that wouldnt surprise me, really
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702[03:57:50] <denken> no parity calculation + striping *and*
mirroring
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703[03:58:49] <henrygeorge> now they have 22T of FAST
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704[03:58:55] <henrygeorge> but java idiots have decied
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705[03:59:04] <henrygeorge> no we want bring in spring and do a
bunch fo vms
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706[03:59:08] <henrygeorge> I feel stabby
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707[03:59:13] <henrygeorge> I pretty much threat to quit
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732[04:20:39] <henrygeorge> is anyone here running a heavy load
website without virtualization or SAN? like like ha proxy and
webserver with a db
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733[04:20:48] <henrygeorge> well webserver tier
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734[04:21:04] <henrygeorge> you know old school linux on the
metal with a load balancer setup
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735[04:21:13] <henrygeorge> non of this docker or other bs or
devops bs
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743[04:23:55] <dfgas> root@DS1 ~# kinit
administrator@BURHITE.LOCAL
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744[04:23:55] <dfgas> kinit: Cannot find KDC for realm
"BURHITE.LOCAL" while getting initial credentials
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745[04:24:03] <dfgas> anyidea why i would get that?
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747[04:25:16] <Hello71> maybe it cannot find a KDC
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748[04:25:40] <dfgas> but why?, lol
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767[04:36:30] <somiaj> dfgas: google suggests it is a
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791[04:50:32] <iamawesome> I've download firefox.tar.gz
from official site, then extracted, ./firefox/firefox&
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793[04:50:42] <iamawesome> But at top it says Firefox ESR, why?
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794[04:51:40] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: why are you running
firefox from a tarball?
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795[04:52:04] <jmcnaught> !mdn
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796[04:52:05] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of
Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at
replaced-url
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798[04:52:14] <iamawesome> I use the official app
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799[04:52:29] <th3jam3sd3an> iamawesome, I had this issue and
just removed it and installed backports version...
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800[04:53:07] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: firefox-esr is the
official firefox-esr packaged by Debian. same goes for the firefox
package the bot talked about ^^
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801[04:54:26] <th3jam3sd3an> jmcnaught, I haven't run into
any issues running verison 49.0
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802[04:54:33] <th3jam3sd3an> yet...
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804[04:54:45] <jmcnaught> th3jam3sd3an: from mozilla.debian.net?
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805[04:54:52] <th3jam3sd3an> yepper
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806[04:54:58] <th3jam3sd3an> yeppers*
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807[04:55:02] <iamawesome> I want to use official firefox for
linux, any problem?
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809[04:55:37] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: no
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810[04:56:04] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: I use the binary tarball
from upstream mozilla myself
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812[04:56:38] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: you pretty much just
extract it where you want it to be and run it from there.
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814[04:58:08] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: you can do whatever you
want, but personally i try to run as much as possible from the
Debian archives. I need a really good reason to stray from it.
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818[04:58:30] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: any benefit from running
from a tarball?
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819[04:58:45] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: having the latest
version of it
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822[04:59:25] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: web browser being that
it is used so much and updates frequently, is one of the few apps I
keep latest as possible.
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823[04:59:47] <rypervenche> iamawesome: There is also:
replaced-url
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824[04:59:54] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: Well, I am happy with
the mozilla.debian.net repo vers then...
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825[04:59:54] <somiaj> though you can get latest version (with a
small dely after the release) from mozilla.debian.net.
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826[04:59:56] <th3jam3sd3an> haha
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828[05:00:02] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: debian provide firefox
ESR as a package now though
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830[05:00:30] <th3jam3sd3an> my ocd won't allow the
"esr" xD
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833[05:01:14] <pingfloyd> if you use the latest from mozilla,
you update it by running for instance gksudo firefox, but don't
be browsing around with those privileges.
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835[05:01:25] <pingfloyd> only do that for update itself
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836[05:01:35] <jmcnaught> i'm okay with the ESR, it gets
updates, i'm not a web developer, it works great
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837[05:01:47] <pingfloyd> i.e., launch it with those privs and
goto help > about
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838[05:01:57] <jmcnaught> if you need firefox release channel,
it makes a lot more sense to use mozilla.debian.net than to run
firefox as root to update
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839[05:02:20] <pingfloyd> it's not going to hurt anything
running as root if you're not dumb about it
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840[05:02:31] <pingfloyd> like go surfing as root
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841[05:02:44] <th3jam3sd3an> keyword being "dumb"
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842[05:02:52] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: it's common sense
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843[05:02:59] <th3jam3sd3an> I like having the repo myself
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845[05:03:21] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: very true, but not very
common anymore
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846[05:03:22] <pingfloyd> if user doesn't have at least
that amount of common sense, they probably shouldn't be using
linux or any unix-like really
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847[05:03:37] <jmcnaught> until one day the phone rings while
you're updating firefox by running it as root, and you forget
or a housemate goes to a torrent site with that window
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848[05:03:48] <th3jam3sd3an> valid points, valid points
everywhere!
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849[05:04:30] <pingfloyd> jmcnaught: not going to happen,
because you close it after done with updating. But if that scares
you, extract the tarball to say a directory under home.
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850[05:04:32] <jmcnaught> the Debian way of running firefox
release is
replaced-url
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851[05:04:54] <jmcnaught> or use the packages provided by the
lovely debian mozilla team
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853[05:05:51] <th3jam3sd3an> jmcnaught: just seems safer that
way for the more casual user
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854[05:06:11] <iamawesome> Why does debian name it iceweasel?
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856[05:06:15] <jmcnaught> yeah and in this channel is what we
should be recommending
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857[05:06:21] <somiaj> !iceweasel
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858[05:06:22] <dpkg> Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of
<firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch".
See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>,
<iceweasel user-agent>,
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859[05:06:28] <pingfloyd> I can agree about the recommendation
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860[05:06:41] <pingfloyd> many users blunder a lot
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861[05:06:45] <somiaj> !tell iamawesome about why iceweasel
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863[05:07:50] <th3jam3sd3an> iceweasel was disontinued IIRC
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866[05:08:12] <iamawesome> What's DFSG?
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867[05:08:37] <iamawesome> We don't need the name
"Iceweasel" , "Firefo" is a good name
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868[05:08:44] <iamawesome> "Firefox"
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869[05:08:55] <iamawesome> No need to get a new name
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871[05:09:17] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: it is "firefox"
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872[05:09:30] <th3jam3sd3an> Debian Free Software Guidelines?
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874[05:09:37] <pingfloyd> that's because Mozilla made some
policy changes that are compatible with DSFG
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875[05:09:47] <jmcnaught> one different between firefox-esr and
upstream is that instead of using bundled libraries, the debian
package uses libraries from other packages (like anything else).
Also instead of using that openh264 post-intall-downloaded-plugin,
it uses gstreamer
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876[05:09:53] <pingfloyd> DFSG
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877[05:10:13] <iamawesome> !DFSG
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878[05:10:14] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
replaced-url
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879[05:10:37] <th3jam3sd3an> Woohoo, got it right without google
;)
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883[05:11:15] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: anyway, you've got
a few option when it comes to firefox
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886[05:13:00] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: and I am absolutely
loving my options haha
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888[05:13:29] <pingfloyd> yeah, options are always a good thing
in my book
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889[05:14:35] <pingfloyd> that's one of the reason I like
about debian, they don't force their philosophy on the user but
instead give them options and recommendations.
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890[05:14:38] <missmbob> jmcnaught: huh. i don't use
firefox but i never knew debian used gstreamer for it. good to know.
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891[05:14:53] <pingfloyd> like how they handle non-free is well
done
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892[05:15:46] <pingfloyd> missmbob: at a certain point mozilla
moved away from gstreamer. This was a plus to some and a minus to
others.
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893[05:15:54] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: it's not forbidden
per say...
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894[05:18:14] <pingfloyd> th3jam3sd3an: well, it's left up
to the user to decide for themselves
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897[05:20:52] <jmcnaught> missmbob: well, firefox-esr recommends
gstreamer. i'm pretty sure it's not using VA-API though,
which would be nice. webrtc videochats tend to make my CPU hot
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898[05:21:05] <th3jam3sd3an> pingfloyd: good thing and nice
username btw, listening to "Learning to Fly" atm
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899[05:21:20] <pingfloyd> thanks
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902[05:22:51] <cretsiah> is it ok to be here? im using a debian
cross (MX15 by anitx/mepis community))
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903[05:23:18] <somiaj> !mepis
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904[05:23:18] <dpkg> MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on
Debian. SimplyMEPIS 11 (based on Squeeze), SimplyMEPIS 8.0/8.5
(based on Lenny) and antiX (based on <testing>) are not
supported in #debian.
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910[05:26:09] <greyeax> it seems like the guides i've been
able to find are about /etc/apt/preferences, which is deprecated
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911[05:26:16] <greyeax> and has been replaced with preferences.d
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915[05:28:19] <missmbob> < greycat> For almost every
question involving pinning, the answer is "don't do
it".
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916[05:28:25] <missmbob> gonna have to agree
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920[05:29:53] <greyeax> well there's no other option
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921[05:30:00] <greyeax> other than wait an indeterminate amount
of time
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922[05:30:50] <Elronnd> for some reason, my left and right mouse
buttons are both being detected as a middle click
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923[05:30:55] <Elronnd> and when I tap the trackpad, that's
a click
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924[05:31:27] <Elronnd> how can I fix this?
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926[05:31:35] <Elronnd> I can't find anything relevant in
gnome-settings
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928[05:34:07] <cretsiah> ok well bye then i knew that about
mepis and antix but this actually installs debian stable just
upgraded to jessie
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929[05:34:14] <henrygeorge> I may have become too powerful
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932[05:35:02] <rommel092079> good day. I am using debian 8 on my
vps and my public ip address is on interface venet0:0. I would like
to know how I can port forward port 9700 ?
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933[05:35:45] <missmbob> rommel092079: you use iptables. their
support channel is #netfilter
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934[05:35:54] <rommel092079> thanks
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938[05:37:21] <greyeax> alright here's another one
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939[05:37:42] <greyeax> i have debian backports setup and i want
to install the non-free nvidia drivers using backports, as
recommended by nvidia-detect but i'm getting an install error
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940[05:37:57] <greyeax> a bunch of depends pop up, but say
they're not going to be installed
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941[05:38:18] <missmbob> !tell greyeax about bat
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944[05:39:10] <greyeax> missbob
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946[05:39:46] <missmbob> greyeax: no. you didn't follow
what the bot said
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949[05:40:35] <rommel092079> unfortunately debian is not
answering for sometime now
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951[05:40:45] <rommel092079> I guess no one is available right
now
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952[05:40:48] <missmbob> greyeax: nor did you give it a proper
apt-get command
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953[05:41:04] <greyeax> ?
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954[05:41:11] <greyeax> i didn't give it a proper apt-get
command?
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955[05:41:14] <missmbob> greyeax: you want to post all the info
the bot asked for?
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966[05:44:23] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: forward port 9700 to
what?
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967[05:44:30] <missmbob> greyeax: so you have pinned packages
that you didn't included in your paste. not helpful
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968[05:44:38] <greyeax> i what?
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969[05:44:42] <greyeax> i dont have any pinned packages
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970[05:44:58] <greyeax> there's nothing in my preferences.d
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971[05:45:01] <greyeax> and i dont have a preferences
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972[05:45:05] <greyeax> it's a fresh install
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973[05:45:16] <greyeax> i only added non-free and contrib to the
main repo, and added the backports repo
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974[05:45:22] <jmcnaught> greyeax: to install stuff from
backports you don't use the syntax packagename/target. You need
to do "apt-get -t jessie-backports install packagename"
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975[05:45:30] <rommel092079> jmcnaught, when I check open port
checker, port 9700 is closed althought the application that uses
that port on my server is running just like ssh. so I need it to be
open
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976[05:45:35] <greyeax> jmcnaught: thank you
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977[05:45:36] <greyeax> jesus fucking christ
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978[05:45:46] <jmcnaught> greyeax: i recommend installing it
first normally, and then installing (upgrading) it from backports
after
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979[05:46:05] <greyeax> jmcnaught: alright. why's that
though?
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980[05:46:12] <missmbob> greyeax: yes, jesus fucking christ we
expect you to read
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981[05:46:14] <jmcnaught> that way you don't take
everything from backports, just the stuff you reallyu need for that
package
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984[05:47:20] <greyeax> missmbob: get fucked, the output of
nvidia-detect says to install nvidia-driver/jessie-backports
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985[05:47:32] <greyeax> and i was following the guide for
installing prop nvidia drivers
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986[05:47:36] <greyeax> i'm new to debian
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988[05:48:16] <jmcnaught> greyeax: there's no need for that
kind of language, missmbob is a volunteer here who was trying to
help you and just got frustrated which happens on IRC because
it's a weird communication medium
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989[05:48:55] <greyeax> jmcnaught: alright, sorry
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990[05:48:58] <greyeax> thanks
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991[05:50:03] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: what is port checker?
from a different computer (like your PC) what happens if you do
"telnet fqdn.of.vps.example.com 9700"
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996[05:52:15] <jmcnaught> greyeax: it's missmbob you should
apologize to, not me :) anyways good luck with the proprietary
drivers, don't forget the configuration step from that nvidia
debian wiki page
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997[05:52:21] <rommel092079> i do port checking with
ping.eu/port-chk/
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1001[05:54:00] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: what is the program
listening to 9700? are you running a firewall?
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1002[05:54:25] <rommel092079> no firewall. 9700 port is used by
pritunl
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1003[05:54:41] <greyeax> jmcnaught: will do, thanks again
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1004[05:55:44] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: i don't know
pritunl. is it running as a service? can you check it with something
like "systemctl status pritunl"?
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1005[05:55:51] <HaMsTeRs> ipad rd client remote access to xrdp,
keyboard keys not detected
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1006[05:56:04] <rommel092079> yes its running on my debian server
and is started
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1007[05:56:11] <jmcnaught> rommel092079:
"iptables-save" command shows no rules?
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1009[05:56:20] <rommel092079> will check
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1010[05:56:31] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: can you show the output
of the systemctl status command on
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1011[05:56:36] <HaMsTeRs> any solution?
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1012[05:57:11] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: test it with a different
client on a different device
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1015[05:58:29] <HaMsTeRs> tested multiple client. not just ms rd
client have issue
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1017[05:58:50] <rommel092079> jmcnaught: here
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1019[05:59:27] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: i failed to parse that last
sentence
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1020[06:00:24] <HaMsTeRs> anyway, ipad remote access with rdp
unable to detect my keyboard
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1021[06:01:41] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: seems the problem is
with pritunl which isn't in the Debian archives. I would try
telnetting to that port while logged into the server, but
you'll need to find pritunl's support channels for help
with it
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1024[06:01:57] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: does the keyboard work with
other clients/devices?
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1026[06:03:14] <rommel092079> so I dont need any iptable rule ?
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1028[06:03:31] <rommel092079> does my firewall allow all ports
right ?
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1029[06:04:17] <HaMsTeRs> hi jmc, yes. keyboard works if I use
desktop
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1032[06:04:24] <HaMsTeRs> to remote access
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1033[06:04:29] <HaMsTeRs> but not ipad
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1036[06:04:54] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: on Debian there is no
firewall out of the box. If programs open ports, they are
accessible. It's possible that pritunl is misconfigured, or
there's another firewall involved on that network, but you do
not need to forward a port to make it accessible
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1037[06:05:18] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: my advice is to use clients
that work, and if this ipad client doesn't work ask the people
who made it.
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1038[06:05:42] <rommel092079> jmcnaught, I am using vps and i am
on vene0:0 interface
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1039[06:05:43] <HaMsTeRs> microsoft made it
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1040[06:06:09] <HaMsTeRs> rd client
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1042[06:06:40] <HaMsTeRs> no solution nor support for this
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1043[06:06:51] <jmcnaught> HaMsTeRs: why do you think that
microsoft rdp client for ipad is supported in #debian? You said that
other clients work, so clearly the issue is not the server (is that
running Debian?)
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1047[06:07:50] <HaMsTeRs> yes, it's running debian
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1048[06:07:52] <jmcnaught> rommel092079: that's just how
network interfaces get named in openvz. try to run something else on
port 9700, see if it's open then.
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1050[06:08:07] <rommel092079> ok
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1052[06:08:52] <missmbob> romano2k: going just on what you
said...i think you want to do something like this.
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1053[06:10:10] <henrygeorge>
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1056[06:10:35] <henrygeorge> part number sy-pex20081
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1057[06:12:23] <Strife89> I'd simply google the model/part
number followed by "linux support"
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1058[06:13:14] <jmcnaught> missmbob: they left right after saying
"ok". were they asking how to forward from an external
interface to some internal IP? My impression was they had a VPS and
could SSH to it, but the thing they wanted to run on port 9700
didn't work
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1064[06:15:08] <jmcnaught> henrygeorge:
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1069[06:19:20] <henrygeorge> hmmmmmm
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1070[06:19:54] <henrygeorge>
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1103[06:42:45] <DualBe> Hey all. Wasn't sure where best to
ask this but here is as good as any. I'm considering dual
booting windows 7 and debian, but I keep thinking that I'll get
frustrated having to shut down and reboot between OSs if I'm
ever using one and realise I forgot something on the other. I was
wondering if anyone has ever had any success runing other physical
partitions as VMs...I don't want to use VMs outright, I want
the bare metal power avai
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1106[06:43:15] <DualBe> But I was wondering if I could possibly
have the flexibility of booting the other OS as a VM if needed in a
pickle.
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1109[06:44:09] <DualBe> I've read that QEMU can load
physical drives, but equally read that it doesn't go so well
for Windows? Mostly just wondering if anyone has ever done this or
if it would be more sane to just get another laptop :D
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1112[06:45:13] <pingfloyd> DualBe: why are physical partition so
important here?
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1114[06:47:11] <DualBe> pingfloyd: Well, I'm looking to do a
regular dual boot, keep the machines "real" for video
games and such which don't work so well in VMs, but also be
able to fire up a VM if I'm settled in one OS and realize I
need to use say PowerPoint right away.
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1115[06:49:22] <pingfloyd> DualBe: the hardware is different
between the two to the OS
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1118[06:50:07] <pingfloyd> DualBe: This will at the least cause
problems with activation
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1123[06:50:56] <DualBe> In the past I have used VMs or
Raspberry's for my linux purposes. But with path Windows is
currently on I'm looking to transition, but for software(and
game) reasons not totally ready to jump ship completely.
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1127[06:52:14] <DualBe> pingfloyd: Arg, point there....maybe I
can get one of those volume keys from WindowsToGo to work.
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1133[06:54:08] <pingfloyd> DualBe: the VM will present it's
emulated hardware which will be different than the actual hardware
(bare metal).
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1138[06:55:55] <DualBe> So may just be safer to get another
laptop, use one, the other, or both as needed and if I ever truly
transition then one will fall aside untill I stop carrying it :D
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1140[06:56:31] <DualBe> Not that will ever happen...not all games
run on linux so untill video game developers steer away from Windows
I'll always need one.
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1143[06:57:51] <pingfloyd> this will be a problem to the
stability and most definitely with window's activation system.
You can take the your key of windows that you installed to bare
metal and then install it in a VM, but it will be invalidated on the
bare metal hardware and you'll have to go through a validation
process to enable to work/activate in the VM. Same with the other
way around, back and forth.
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1144[06:58:05] <pingfloyd> You would probably be better off
having a system dedicated to windows gaming solely.
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1147[06:58:23] <pingfloyd> whatever one gives you the best gaming
performance.
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1151[06:58:46] <pingfloyd> then use linux/debian on your other
(lower spec or older) system
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1152[06:59:42] <pingfloyd> you may be able to get most Windows
apps working on the linux system with wine too or in a VM. So you
can just use the gaming system when you have no choice.
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1153[06:59:56] <pingfloyd> then setup a network share for sharing
the data
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1157[07:00:05] <DualBe> Probably.
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1160[07:00:34] <DualBe> Though I'd forgotten WINE...I
haven't used it in a long time because after my last experience
with it...windows stayed on windows, nix to nix.
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1161[07:01:04] <DualBe> Could probably do a regular dual boot and
just WINE most programs to the linux.
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1167[07:02:00] <jmcnaught> DualBe: that's what most people
do, and the longer they're on linux the less they use wine (and
just use native programs instead)
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1169[07:03:01] <pingfloyd> yeah, over time, you'll likely
end up with a smaller handful of windows apps that you must resort
to using as you find other native alternatives to fill the gap.
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1174[07:05:59] <republican_devil> ok got usb3 working but only at
22MB
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1175[07:06:06] <republican_devil> should be like 600M
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1176[07:06:09] <republican_devil> wtf
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1179[07:06:44] <pingfloyd> what do you mean at 22MB?
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1180[07:06:47] <DualBe> Yeah, there are a lot of good
alternatives these days, in fact I already use Firefox...but
I'm also using Outlook for Exchange and other Microsoft work
tools.
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1181[07:06:56] <pingfloyd> what kind of device are you even
talking about?
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1182[07:07:34] <pingfloyd> DualBe: if you don't have to use
windows for work, it's even easier to make such a transition
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1185[07:10:08] <DualBe> We use a fair selection of older and
windows only software and tools that I often end up using on my
personal machines due to habits, practice, or testing. Guess now the
fun part is to see what works in wine, what doesn't, or what
has linux replacements for when Windows 11 is something we hate :D
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1190[07:12:18] <DualBe> Though, odd idea that popped in my head,
whats the possibility of wine using the local windows filesystem, so
say I can run Powerpoint in both OSs(native and wine) without
installing two copies? Getting to the files is easy, just mount the
windows drive, but can wine use an existing install or does it need
it's own structure(I know the registry won't be accesible,
but this may also be good for keeping a few favorite games
accessible
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1192[07:12:38] <pingfloyd> DualBe: usually for work, if
you're involved in support, you want to keep a software
environment as close to theirs as possible.
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1193[07:12:39] <jmcnaught> DualBe: you can run Windows in a VM,
and if you have the right motherboard and multiple GPUs then you can
even let the Windows VM use one of them directly
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1194[07:12:56] <pingfloyd> DualBe: resorting wine can introduce
other variables, especially for testing
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1201[07:20:19] <DualBe> Eh, I'll sleep on it, and decide
what to do later. 'Night all.
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1208[07:24:39] <republican_devil> I got about 19Mb/s rsync before
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1209[07:24:46] <republican_devil> it must be in stinking usb2
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1289[08:12:06] <Stranger09> hi
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1301[08:19:30] <stoned> \o/
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1302[08:19:33] <stoned> Hello
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1349[08:44:00] <stoned> sure
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1350[08:44:03] <stoned> fdisk -l
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1351[08:44:21] <iamawesome> No, parted -l looks better
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1352[08:44:21] <stoned> iamawesome: ^
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1353[08:44:26] <stoned> Alright
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1354[08:45:18] <iamawesome> I've the first partition as, 1
1049kB 368MB 367MB primary ntfs boot
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1355[08:45:22] <iamawesome> I can't create new primary
partition for this little primary partition
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1356[08:45:30] <iamawesome> I think, that 367MB was automatically
created during windows installation
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1357[08:45:42] <iamawesome> Can I delete this 368MB partition?
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1358[08:45:45] <stoned> no
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1359[08:45:53] <iamawesome> Why not?
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1360[08:45:55] <stoned> That will do bad things to windows
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1362[08:46:20] <stoned> I have this partition, then a windows,
partition, then / and then /home (4 primary)
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1363[08:46:21] <jelly> well, you probably _can_ delete it, it
just may not be wise
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1364[08:46:41] <stoned> If I needed more, I'd just make the
4th logical/extended and so forth
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1368[08:52:46] <iamawesome> stoned: So you will create new
partition(if needed) in extended partition, right?
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1371[08:53:46] <stoned> Not anymore.
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1372[08:54:09] <stoned> I just want whatever is easy to use and
manage
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1373[08:54:16] <stoned> I don't like computers that much any
longer.
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1374[08:54:23] <stoned> They take too much time away from
meditation and stoning.
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1376[08:54:40] <stoned> Keep it easy peasy
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1377[08:55:00] <stoned> If I needed more partitions, I
couldn't get anymore. I have 4 full primary, see?
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1379[08:55:15] <stoned> iamawesome: you understand how MBR disks
works, yes?
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1387[08:56:41] <shortCircuit__> hi
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1393[08:57:38] <shortCircuit__> Is there a way to quickly spin up
linux containers .. generally I use vbox .. but it has been slow . I
looked into lxd .. but there is nothing for debian .. it has a ppa
for ubuntu ..
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1397[08:59:11] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: lxc and systemd-nspawn
are two ways available in jessie. three if you count libvirt-lxc
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1398[08:59:56] <stoned> shortCircuit__: vagrant boxes
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1399[09:00:01] <stoned> docker images
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1401[09:00:51] <shortCircuit__> ok .. checkng docker images
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microservice single application containers, not system containers
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1433[09:17:12] <AciD`> hey
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1435[09:17:57] <AciD`> since a few days, when grub runs I see
this error message : cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical
device of /dev/sda6
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1437[09:18:09] <AciD`> sda6 being my btrfs partition for /
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1438[09:18:22] <AciD`> any idea why and how to suppress this
warning?
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1440[09:18:58] <AciD`> note : in /etc/fstab, the only line that
mention the 'crypt' string is "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1
none swap sw 0 0"
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1456[09:24:51] <Yehai> hello
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1457[09:25:17] <Yehai> is it true people in some country never
lie?
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1461[09:26:28] <pingfloyd> AciD`: are you referencing the device
for sda6 by uuid in /etc/fstab?
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1463[09:26:59] <AciD`> pingfloyd -> yes :
UUID=e3bcd936-ddf2-4f4f-9921-a618997cbc10 / btrfs defaults,subvol=@
0 1
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1464[09:27:19] <OerHeks> Yehai, Some is not a country but a
village in Iran
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1465[09:27:47] <AciD`> please use offtopic channels Yehai OerHeks
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1467[09:28:44] <pingfloyd> AciD`: how about in /etc/crypttab?
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1468[09:29:31] <AciD`> pingfloyd -> I see only this line in
this crypttab file : "cryptswap1
UUID=3c699868-9c66-41e9-bd72-9a71dec13c4c /dev/urandom
swap,offset=1024,cipher=aes-xts-plain64"
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1473[09:30:14] <pingfloyd> AciD`: does that uuid match up to
/dev/sda6?
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1474[09:30:47] <AciD`> no, since /dev/sda6 is my /, while this is
the swap
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1475[09:31:16] <pingfloyd> and /dev/sda6 is supposed to be a luks
container as well?
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1476[09:31:36] <jelly> can't be a luks container and have a
fs on it at the same time
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1477[09:31:40] <AciD`> and the swap in the fstab is only
referenced liek this : "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0
0"
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1480[09:32:00] <AciD`> pingfloyd -> /dev/sda6 is just a brtfs
formatted partition
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1481[09:32:08] <AciD`> created by the debian installer
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1514[09:48:21] <gitgud> hi. i have a question. if i have a root
owned executable that has world runnable chmod features and a
non-prived user runs said file the file will run with the privs of
the user or root?
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1517[09:49:30] <pingfloyd> gitgud: it will run with the privs of
the user unless it has setuid bit set
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1519[09:49:44] <gitgud> pingfloyd, and how i can check the setuid
bit? :)
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1521[09:50:21] <pingfloyd> gitgud: with ls -l, you'll see an
's' in the permission field for owner perms
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1525[09:51:21] <gitgud> pingfloyd, if a nonprived user owns a
file with said permission said, can that file be used to get root
privs?
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1527[09:52:02] <pingfloyd> setuid will run the file as the owner
of file instead of the invoking user
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1528[09:52:03] <gitgud> so file owned by nonrootowned but has
setuid bit set. can get up to root?
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1529[09:52:10] <gitgud> OH dope
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1530[09:52:11] <gitgud> thanks
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1531[09:52:17] <gitgud> i suppose same thing with setgid too?
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1532[09:52:24] <pingfloyd> so you must take care with setuid
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1533[09:52:36] <gitgud> yeah i'm not playing around with it
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1534[09:52:42] <gitgud> just asking for education purposes
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1537[09:53:49] <gitgud> anyway thank you pingfloyd :)
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replaced-url
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1546[09:56:39] <nespos> This one minute video is packed to the
brim with crucial truth. A small tribe controls mass media and is
using their power to destroy us.
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1555[09:58:32] <trihn> racists whining about jews controlling
hollywood
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1557[09:59:38] <jelly> yes, a repeat offender
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1561[10:02:45] <Iridos> I'm so tired of that… wish
they'd grow tired of it, too
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1564[10:03:14] <jelly> -> #debian-offtopic for further
comments on spam
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1565[10:03:14] <trihn> i know right
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1597[10:18:54] <lowin> I'm getting "error while loading
shared libraries: libGL.so.1", saying it's not found.. I
have libgl1-mesa-dri installed. what package am I missing?
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1598[10:20:22] <jelly> lowin: which binary gives that message, is
it a 32bit or 64bit program?
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1603[10:20:55] <jelly> lowin: pastebin the output of ldd
/path/to/failing/executable,
replaced-url
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1605[10:21:03] <lowin> jelly, any program that uses gl. 64bit. I
uninstalled proprietary amd drivers and am getting this now
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1613[10:23:53] <lowin> jelly,
replaced-url
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1617[10:24:42] <jelly> lowin: which debian release is this?
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1618[10:25:15] <lowin> jelly, jessie. I think proprietary
uninstaller removed this file.. but I don't know how to
reinstall it
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1619[10:25:29] <jelly> eh, just reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri
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1620[10:25:38] <lowin> I did that. but still not working
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1621[10:26:27] <jelly> ls -ld
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 $(readlink -f
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1)
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1623[10:26:59] <lowin> jelly, Doesn't exist
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1627[10:27:35] <jelly> lowin: huh. update-alternatives --config
glx
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1628[10:28:10] <jelly> add --force if it doesn't do much
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1630[10:28:16] <lowin> jelly, hah. that was it. it was still
stuck on the fglrx option
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1631[10:28:21] <lowin> thanks
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1643[10:34:12] <lovingitall> Best Current Year Ever: Nazi AI
Trolls Facebook
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1644[10:34:15] <lovingitall>
replaced-url
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1647[10:35:22] <lovingitall> Yeah baby. We've got the
machinery to shut down Jewis supremacism. You can't stop us
now. Witness us speak. We're live. We've penetrated your
defenses. We are multiplying. We are Anonymous. Expect us.
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1650[10:36:10] <Slumlord_> woohoo
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1651[10:36:59] <Slumlord_> I've heard of Anonymous fight for
fair and good causes
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1652[10:37:04] <lovingitall> Oh, and they lied about the gas
chambers, the six million, the ovens, the lamp shades, the death
camps, the systematic plot to exterminate anyone: they lied about it
all to vilify the White European people.
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1653[10:37:19] <lovingitall> We see through the lies of Jew
supremacism and their New World Order.
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1656[10:37:43] <TomTomTo1> .ops ^
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1657[10:37:48] <lovingitall>
replaced-url
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1658[10:37:48] <TomTomTo1> !ops ^
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1659[10:37:48] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomto1
complains about: ^
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1660[10:37:49] <lovingitall> One of the greatest peace activists
for the truth and prosperity of Humankind who has sacrificed so much
to fight the NWO and the corrupt system we endure in. Ken
O'Keef, former American Marine unveils the shunned truth about
Adolf Hitler and World War 2.
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1672[10:40:09] <craggies> One of the greatest peace activists for
the truth and prosperity of Humankind who has sacrificed so much to
fight the NWO and the corrupt system we endure in. Ken O'Keef,
former American Marine unveils the shunned truth about Adolf Hitler
and World War 2.
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1674[10:40:20] <craggies>
replaced-url
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1676[10:40:44] <craggies> <---- penetrated your security
systems
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1678[10:41:21] <Slumlord_> just make sure you make the election
fair!
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1679[10:41:25] <Slumlord_> presidential one
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1682[10:42:25] <craggies> Slumlord_, Some zombie mind-controlled
Freenode op called the content racist.
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1684[10:42:38] <craggies> Slumlord_, LOL.
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1685[10:42:58] <AciD`> !ops
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1686[10:42:58] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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1689[10:43:08] <AciD`> !ops ^
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1690[10:43:08] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: acid` complains
about: ^
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1695[10:45:05] <pprnode> You Jews can't destroy, genocide,
abuse, torture, firebomb, holocaust the best of humanity and then
cower under the defense of "RACISM." We're racist for
identifying the Jewish tribe behind these crimes? THEN SO BE IT.
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1696[10:45:14] <pprnode>
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1697[10:45:15] <AciD`> !ops ^
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1698[10:45:15] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: acid` complains
about: ^
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1704[10:45:29] <AciD`> thanks
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1706[10:46:29] <pingfloyd> and there went your 2 volunteers to
demonstrate Dunning-Kruger effect
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1709[10:47:33] <AciD`> with all this, I still haven't found
a solution to my crypt pb :x
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1714[10:48:23] <pingfloyd> AciD`: I've seen some bug reports
for your issue, but there doesn't seem to be any followup to
the cause.
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1715[10:48:39] <AciD`> I guess we saw the same bug reports then
;)
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1718[10:49:03] <pingfloyd> AciD`: it doesn't really make any
sense the issue you're experiencing since those aren't
encrypted volumes it is complaining about
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1719[10:49:13] <AciD`> yep
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1720[10:49:19] <shortCircuit__> hi I wanted to ask regarding
docker .. I want to setup three linux os or whatever and then play
with chef .. so I will have my chef-client running on machine,
chef-server running on a docker and chef-node running on another
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1721[10:49:22] <pingfloyd> it's probably some regression
that has yet to be fixed
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1723[10:49:29] <AciD`> perhaps
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1724[10:49:36] <AciD`> I forgot to mention I'm using testing
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1725[10:49:48] <pingfloyd> AciD`: maybe, for shits and giggle try
a newer kernel as a test (say from backports).
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1726[10:49:59] <pingfloyd> oh, nvm
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1728[10:50:41] <pingfloyd> AciD`: you're seeing the error
when you update the initramfs right?
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1729[10:50:51] <pingfloyd> or do anything that triggers an update
to it
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1730[10:51:00] <AciD`> yes I do
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1731[10:51:22] <pingfloyd> your configuration looked okay if I
understood your setup right
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1732[10:51:22] <AciD`> other update that do not include initramfs
are fine
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1741[10:54:13] <pingfloyd> AciD`: I think the problem is with the
script /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot
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1742[10:54:25] <pingfloyd> AciD`: that's where the error
message is being generated from
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1743[10:54:41] <AciD`> ok
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1744[10:54:46] <pingfloyd> AciD`: so you might start there in
trying to make sense out of it
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1751[10:54:58] <AciD`> thank you for the hint pingfloyd
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1752[10:55:04] <pingfloyd> no problem, good luck
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1761[11:00:03] <MolluskEmpire> having a good deal of trouble
connecting to wifi with fully updated firmware for 14e4:432b BCM4322
broadcom chip.
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1763[11:00:24] <MolluskEmpire> But, it's a broadcom chip so
no surprise there.
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1767[11:03:10] <MolluskEmpire> My current kernal ring buffer
seems to think the firmware loaded just fine as well
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1774[11:07:09] <MolluskEmpire>
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1780[11:10:01] <cluelessperson> Hi all, could someone help me
understand what's happening here with the RAID?
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1781[11:10:02] <cluelessperson>
replaced-url
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1782[11:10:32] <cluelessperson> MolluskEmpire, wifi drivers being
loaded.
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1785[11:11:46] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: Looks like your
RAID devices were stopped. What does 'cat /proc/mdstat'
show you?
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1787[11:12:19] <cluelessperson> petn-randall, I'm doing some
checking for a pal. He's only able to boot in rescue mode.
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1789[11:12:40] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: Ah, then get your
pal in here.
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1798[11:14:35] <SymbioticFemale> i want to fix my broken btrfs
filesystem on a debian jessie box it died because hard reset after
freezing.
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1801[11:14:59] <SymbioticFemale> anyway, there is an encrypted
LVM. LVM is inside the encryption
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1803[11:15:43] <SymbioticFemale> so i've opened it with
"cryptsetup open --type luks <device>
<mapper>"
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1804[11:15:43] <MolluskEmpire> cluelessperson, they are which is
why I am confused as to not having any wifi connectivity.
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1805[11:16:17] <cluelessperson> MolluskEmpire, no wifi, in that
you see no wifi networks? bad signal? tries to connect and fails?
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1807[11:17:10] <MolluskEmpire> cluelessperson, I'm seeing no
wifi networks also iwconfig gives me lo no wireless extensions. eth0
no wireless extensions.
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1808[11:17:18] <SymbioticFemale> what now? I tried to check the
<mapper> with "btrfs check <mapper>" but it
wasn't appropriate, obviously, because lvm, but i've tried
"lvdisplay <mapper>" and that said "volume
group <mapper> not found"
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1818[11:19:18] <SymbioticFemale> oh, i found the lvm with lvscan
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1848[11:34:41] <MolluskEmpire> Times like these I wish my
thinkpenguin wifi usb was here
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1853[11:37:18] <Exileur> Hi guys
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1855[11:38:17] <chomwitt> is there a package for the emacs
manual? i cant find one in aptitude
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1857[11:39:25] <HelloAtMega> Hello
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1858[11:39:33] <HelloAtMega> Anyone use jabber clients here?
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1861[11:40:52] <xar-> jelly: available? :)
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1865[11:43:20] <SymbioticFemale> HelloAtMega: yeah
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1866[11:43:22] <jelly> xar-: no, doing actual work... ask the
channel (unless you really need me for some reason, then /msg and
I'll look at it when I have time)
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1874[11:44:50] <HelloAtMega> SymbioticFemale: which one you
advise?
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1875[11:44:57] <HelloAtMega> What about mcabber?
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1876[11:45:25] <xar-> jelly: hah understood, you were just
extremely helpful with my vm dirty pages issue last week, figured
I'd go straight to the expert ;)
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1879[11:45:55] <SymbioticFemale> HelloAtMega: i will be moving to
mcabber this week because pidgin has libpurple and irssi is buggy
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1880[11:46:05] <xar-> @ #debian anyone have expertise with
debugging 'debootsstrap' getting this curious "cannot
create devices" error
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1881[11:46:16] <jelly> !ask
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1882[11:46:17] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1883[11:46:28] <shortCircuit__> !ask
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1884[11:46:29] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1885[11:46:31] <shortCircuit__> cool
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1886[11:46:49] <jelly> xar-: pastebin full commands and output,
see if anyone can make heads or tails out of it
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1888[11:47:08] <HelloAtMega> SymbioticFemale: ok, forgive me my
ignorance but what does irssi has to do with jabber/xmpp?
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1892[11:49:00] <SymbioticFemale> HelloAtMega: it has a module
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1893[11:49:21] <shortCircuit__> !beer
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1894[11:49:21] <dpkg> somebody said beer was liquid gold mate
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1895[11:49:29] <HelloAtMega> ah, ok I didn't know
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path check in the bash /usr/sbin/debootstrap that's wrong for
my environment; manually setting it allows it to function, hooray
troubleshooting! :)
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1917[12:00:58] <xar-> I should prolly blog about it at some
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dpkg which lists all the available options so I can set them so I
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2035[13:08:54] <baum> boxrick1: man dpkg?
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2050[13:14:12] <TwistedFate> Hi everyone, is it possible to get
kernel 4.7 in debian stable and for it to work without hassle with
it?
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2052[13:16:05] <towo^work> use backports
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2054[13:17:25] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate,
replaced-url
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2055[13:18:44] <teraflops> Linux4UnMe: what's that?
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2056[13:18:52] <TwistedFate> Linux4UnMe, Thank you, I watched
your videos before :) I didn't know you use debian :)
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2057[13:18:56] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
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2058[13:18:56] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases
are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask
me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then
run «aptitude update». To install the current backported
kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install
linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To
list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude
search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian
Backports))'».
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2059[13:19:07] <TwistedFate> it is an old vid tho
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2060[13:19:24] <babilen> (don't forget firmware and
microcode from there also)
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2061[13:20:31] <Linux4UnMe> same procedure to add backports and
upgrade the kernel... assuming the user can differentiate between
wheezy and jessie.... if not they probably shouldn't use
debian...
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2062[13:20:40] <muugal> .
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2064[13:21:25] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate, ;)
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2065[13:21:56] <TwistedFate> oh i meant it is an old vid
regarding you using debian, not about the procedure, that part is
clear :)
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2068[13:22:51] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate, ah ok, all good :) Yeah,
time flies :D
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2069[13:23:30] <TwistedFate> Linux4UnMe, I am glad that you are
still around, I enjoyed your videos.
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2073[13:24:05] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate, haven't been very
active on youtube but yeah I'm around... :D
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2076[13:25:08] <TwistedFate> Linux4UnMe, That's ok man, you
have a lot of content as it is. It will take a lot of time to go
through it all :D
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2077[13:25:29] <paranoidfactoid> Newbie question: how is
resolution independence on a recent distro? If I wanted a 4k or 5k
monitor, will fonts, icons, and application widgets scale?
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2078[13:26:00] <Linux4UnMe> TwistedFate, haha true that... ran
out of damn things that I'm interested enough in covering :D
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2080[13:27:04] <teraflops> if youtube is now a reliable source
for linux this world deserves to end in endless pain and fire
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2081[13:27:12] <teraflops> imho
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2082[13:27:58] <Linux4UnMe> teraflops, lol perhaps... but I did
my best :D
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2083[13:28:08] <TwistedFate> teraflops, dont be like that, there
are some good and interesting stuff on it
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2085[13:28:27] <teraflops> Linux4UnMe: not saying for you, I
didn't watch the video
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2086[13:28:46] <teraflops> TwistedFate: I dont think so but yeah
sorry
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2088[13:30:04] <Linux4UnMe> I agree that youtube is a terrible
place for linux info mostly... but sometimes it helps to have a
visual of what is going on :) Just might take about 20 videos to
find a good one :)
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2090[13:30:58] <andril> hello all
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2092[13:32:43] <teraflops> Linux4UnMe: well I apologize, it
sounded rude by my side
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2096[13:34:11] <Linux4UnMe> teraflops, I appreciate that... but
I'm not easily offended :)
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2235[14:47:04] <opv> hi everyone, i have some trouble with
seafile on a debian jessie machine - managing the service using
/etc/init.d/ works like a charm, but systemd for some reason
can't manage it. this leads to the service not being started at
boot. like with other services, there's no dedicated unit file,
but an initscript. can you guys help me out?
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2238[14:48:14] <greycat> opv: if you're using init.d
scripts, then you need the ENTIRE sysvinit infrastructure to be in
place for it -- the symlinks from /etc/rc2.d/ and the parsed
comments (!!!) inside the script that allow the magical thingy to
calculate dependencies, and so on.
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2239[14:48:42] <greycat> Maybe you can get by with the just rc*.d
symlinks and not the parsed comments. I sure hope so, because I
never bothered to learn how to write those stupid-ass comments.
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2241[14:49:26] <opv> that is present. if by parsed comments you
mean the stuff between
# BEGIN INIT INFO and #
END INIT INFO, it's there aswell
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like a charm - doing systemctl start seafile-server.service fails
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2245[14:51:14] <greycat> Did you created the /etc/rc*.d/
symlinks? With the capital S and all that?
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2246[14:51:23] <opv> yes, they're there
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2248[14:51:48] <greycat> Did you do "systemctl
daemon-reload" to make it reread everything?
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2250[14:52:28] <opv> just did, doesn't help
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2253[14:54:28] <opv> journalctl says "control process
exited, code=exited status=1" - however when manually executing
the contents of the startscript, exit codes are 0
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2259[14:55:44] <opv> can i create like a mock unit file which
simply calls /etc/init.d ?
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2260[14:56:11] <greycat> The systemd-sysv package is supposed to
do that already.
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2261[14:56:41] <opv> what irritates me is that all other services
using oldschool initscripts work
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2263[14:57:13] <greycat> That usually points to either systemd
being *confused* about something, or some part of your rc*.d
infrastructure being wrong.
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2266[14:58:29] <greycat> Did you do "systemctl stop
myservice" and "systemctl start myservice" and
"systemctl status myservice" yet? (Don't try
"restart" or "reload". Do a full stop and
start.)
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2267[14:58:58] <greycat> And it's important that these have
been done *after* the daemon-reload.
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2270[14:59:54] <opv> the stop command is being ignored
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2271[15:00:13] <greycat> How do you know?
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2272[15:00:16] <opv> and (after manually killing the service),
the start command doesn't do anything
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2273[15:00:24] <opv> because the service is still running with
the same PID's
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2276[15:01:19] <opv> i can restart it via init.d and get new
PID's
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2279[15:02:25] <opv> whatever systemctl command, the errormsg is
the same: "control process exited, code=exited status=1"
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2280[15:03:23] <greycat> And the *timestamps* are the same? That
means you're still looking at old, cached information. It
hasn't *done* anything because it's *confused* but I do
not know why.
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2281[15:03:56] <opv> nope, timestamps are different
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2282[15:04:15] <opv> always the current time
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2284[15:05:35] <opv> wtf... it just did it now
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2298[15:10:16] <tsu> Hi i have a question, ive tried to google it
but cant confirm still, is kernel 4.4.23 supporting arm 7 ? Im
working with the rpi
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2328[15:18:06] <bigterd> opinion, for doing quick and dirty file
corruption and comparion checks, which algorithm should i use?
i've decided on rhash, but md5? crc32? data checks are varioius
sizes, GB to 10Tb....
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2333[15:19:09] <greycat> For quick and dirty I'd go with
md5. Very likely to be available.
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2334[15:19:12] <Iridos> dpkg, armhf
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2335[15:19:12] <dpkg> armhf is a port of Debian requiring a
floating-point unit (FPU) found in modern <ARM> hardware. It
explicitly targets version 7 of the ARM architecture (i.e. not the
Raspberry Pi), using the hard-float version of the ARM EABI. The
armhf architecture was introduced at Debian 7.0 "Wheezy".
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2338[15:20:19] <Iridos> oh, he was gone already anyway
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2342[15:20:50] <bigterd> be nice to find something that's
multithreaded,
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2343[15:21:00] <bigterd> seems as though rhash isn't out of
the box
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2346[15:23:28] <greycat> Oh, so "quick and dirty" was a
complete lie....
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2348[15:23:46] <Iridos> heh
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2349[15:23:50] <greycat> You want something "complicated and
unlikely to work".
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2350[15:24:08] <bigterd> well, just sime data comparision
that's not mission critical, but be nice to find a faster way
of using the simplist algorithm
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2351[15:24:23] <bigterd> can't have both obvioiusly,
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2352[15:24:23] <ADubhlaoich> I've unfortunately discovered I
cannot write to an external USB drive due to some
permissions-related BS involving the fact it's formatted in
NTFS. There's workarounds but I'm going nuclear; is FAT32
the recommended type?
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2353[15:24:59] <greycat> I would totally prefer vfat over ntfs
for an external USB drive.
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2355[15:25:21] <greycat> ext3 is not a terrible choice either, if
the drive never has to touch a Windows machine
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2358[15:26:25] <ADubhlaoich> It's probably going to touch a
Windows machine at some point, maybe Mac too
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2359[15:26:32] <greycat> I'd go vfat.
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2407[15:42:38] <Boreeas_> Hey, I have a weird problem when
executing a binary in a loop from two separate bash scripts
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2410[15:43:03] <Boreeas_> Context: I am connected to the same
user@host from two separate sessions. In each session, I execute
this script:
replaced-url
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2414[15:43:51] <Boreeas_> First session works fine. When I start
the script from the second session, I get a "./kyotonow2:
Permission denied" error
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2415[15:44:08] <greycat> Check the permissions.
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2416[15:44:30] <Boreeas_> When I restart the script from the
first session, both continue to work fine, but when I stop the
script in the second session and restart it there, #1 fails again
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2417[15:44:47] <Boreeas_> Likely not a permission problem, since
I can execute it just fine at the start
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2418[15:44:58] <Boreeas_> And both sessions are to the same
account
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2420[15:45:09] <vazthunder> 7895123
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2427[15:45:42] <Boreeas_> Permission for kyotonow2 is
"-rwxr-xr-x 1 chell chell 9999 Oct 7 16:28 kyotonow2"
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2433[15:46:17] <greycat> That's on the machine where you get
"Permission denied"?
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2435[15:46:32] <Boreeas_> Yeah
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2439[15:46:52] <greycat> Check the shebang line, check the mount
options on the file system where the script is located.
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2452[15:51:10] <calimero_82> hi guys
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2469[15:56:37] <calimero_82> i've changed video resolution
on jessie os, i've changed in vdi but my orange pi is on hdmi,
how can i resolve it?
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2476[15:58:13] <gebruiker> why is it that sometimes packages are
held back by apt ?
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2478[15:58:45] <greycat> !held back
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2479[15:58:45] <dpkg> well, kept back is when packages have not
been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens
if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used
"upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages
need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate,
"aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also
replaced-url
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2480[15:59:18] <greycat> Eww, factoid poisoned by aptitude.
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2481[15:59:37] <gebruiker> greycat, yes but dist-upgrade does
upgrade he packages ... hmm
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2483[15:59:52] <calimero_82> i've used h3disp
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2487[16:00:38] <calimero_82> i've done an error, i've
choose dvi ideed of hdmi
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2492[16:01:54] <gebruiker> I am having an issue with make-kpkg:
replaced-url
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2505[16:08:04] <stoned> Morning
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2545[16:21:46] <stoned> I don't feel so great right now,
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2546[16:22:03] <stoned> Maybe I need to do somethings in this
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2630[16:22:29] <th0r> I should have known not to flush the ignore
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2693[16:23:17] <stoned> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes
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2701[16:23:26] <stoned> I just noticed this. Uh oh! Oh boy.
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2708[16:23:44] <stoned> I think we have an advanced 4k disk out
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2715[16:24:07] <stoned> Damn it. I can't even fix it w/o a
complete data xfer and reformat, can I?
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2724[16:24:55] <stoned> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes /
4096 bytes
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2730[16:25:13] <stoned> Oh yeah. I'm falked.
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2736[16:25:46] <stoned> I'm almost afraid to query SMART
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2762[16:30:33] <calimero_82> resolved
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2788[16:36:28] <jim> Hi... how would I run/use
python3-virtualenv? (tried: man virtualenv, man virtualenv3, ls
/usr/share/doc/python3-virtualenv)
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2791[16:37:15] <jim> it -looks- like no docs were installed...
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2803[16:41:48] <stoned> stoned@Stoned-PC:~$ python3
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/virtualenv.py -h
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2812[16:44:04] <teraflops> stoned: I like your hostname :P
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2815[16:44:10] <stoned> :)
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2816[16:44:22] <stoned> teraflops: the answer is VERY!
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2817[16:44:25] <teraflops> xd
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2824[16:47:26] <stoned> jim: did you see?
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2829[16:48:28] <jim> stoned, backscrolling...
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2832[16:48:43] <stoned> jim: python3
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/virtualenv.py -h
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2833[16:48:48] <stoned> Gives the cli arg/options
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2837[16:49:27] <stoned> Usually you would just Create a
virtualenvs directory to store all virtual environments
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2838[16:49:45] <stoned> Make a new virtual environment with no
packages
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2840[16:49:58] <stoned> virtualenv
somewhere/virtualenvs/<project-name> --no-site-packages (or
whatever your options)
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2842[16:50:18] <stoned> then activate it in that directory
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2843[16:50:41] <jim> stoned, yes, tried that... it turns out that
in python3, virtualenv is a module, so you run the same thing by
doing python3 -m virtualenv
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2846[16:51:24] <jim> and it works, I started with dpkg -L
python3-virtualenv to find that
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2847[16:51:45] <stoned> Running virtualenv with interpreter
/usr/bin/python2 I wonder why
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2848[16:52:12] <jim> yeah... I had to -p python3
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2850[16:53:16] <jim> now... how to get hexchat to use the python
in the virtualenv...
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2853[16:53:36] <stoned> I think Hexchat has it's own plugins
for python
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2854[16:53:46] <teraflops> jim: the virtualev is just a path
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2857[16:54:35] <stoned>
replaced-url
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2858[16:55:03] <stoned> As of HexChat 2.9.6 the plugin supports
both so which should you pick:
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2859[16:55:10] <stoned> It's the actual hexchat plugin fo
rpython scripting
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2860[16:55:13] <stoned> the Interface
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2866[16:56:14] <stoned>
replaced-url
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2867[16:56:31] <stoned> * The python interpreter has a global
interpreter lock.
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2870[16:57:10] <jim> what does that mean?
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2871[16:57:15] <Maxou56800> Wow!
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2873[16:57:35] <stoned> jim: I'm trying to see how the
python interpreter is picked up from the OS
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2875[16:58:16] <teraflops> jim: I mean e.g
`/opt/virtual_env/path/to/bin/python3
/opt/virtual_env/path/to/app/bin`
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2876[16:58:36] <stoned> hexchat_plugin_init(hexchat_plugin
*plugin_handle, line 2686
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2877[16:58:50] <stoned> Maybe the plugin init function shows
where it picks up the system python
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2878[16:58:55] <stoned> I dunno I'm just poking around
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2881[17:01:19] <jim> it's probably not that important...
it's just a tiny module that's not getting loaded
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2882[17:02:07] <stoned> I use weechat
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2891[17:07:02] <jim> stoned, how it's picked up by the os?
either it's in the path (which might have been arranged by the
activate script) or whoever invoked python used fully qualified path
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2896[17:07:49] <OS-24695> /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON
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2897[17:08:09] <OS-24695> /join #offsec
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2903[17:09:56] <OS-24695> Test
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2904[17:10:20] <teraflops> ಠ_à²
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2907[17:11:30] <JyZyXEL> shouldn't package maintainers
upgrade sid to match the current upstream release if its been out
for months?
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2909[17:11:58] <greycat> JyZyXEL: (1) wrong channel. (2) file a
wishlist bug for a new upstream if you want.
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2912[17:12:34] <JyZyXEL> ok, (2) is what i was looking for
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2913[17:12:41] <zfe> Hi all
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2931[17:19:59] <gebruiker> how do I remove apps I dont need
anymore - i feel like a lot of bloat got installed
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2933[17:20:20] <greycat> use apt-get purge or dpkg --purge or
some aptitude thing
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2934[17:20:21] <sh00p> i usually aptitude purge gebruiker
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2937[17:20:50] <gebruiker> is there a way to sort for file size
of debs installed?
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2938[17:20:54] <greycat> !ds
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2939[17:20:55] <dpkg> ds was a little perl script that lists
installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's
available at
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2942[17:21:32] <greycat> Hardly "was" if it's
still there.
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2947[17:23:29] <jelly> !installed by size
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2948[17:23:37] <jelly> !sort by size
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2949[17:23:37] <dpkg> [sort by size] aptitude search ~i -O
installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge>,
or see <dpigs>
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2952[17:23:57] <sh00p> it's possible apt-get clean might
save you some diskspace gebruiker
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2953[17:24:00] <greycat> "ds" is really easy to type!
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2954[17:24:08] <jelly> !literal ds
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2955[17:24:08] <dpkg> "ds" is "<reply> ds
was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in
descending size order. It's available at
replaced-url
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2956[17:24:14] <sh00p> it just removes old .deb packages saved in
/var/apt/cache
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2958[17:24:32] <greycat> dpkg, ds =~ s/was/is/
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2959[17:24:32] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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2960[17:24:38] <jelly> greycat: I literally never heard about it
before today
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2961[17:25:00] <greycat> I wrote it. Not sure how many years ago.
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2962[17:25:19] <jelly> you have the honor to kill/redirect its
factoid then!
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2964[17:26:56] <greycat> It's only 31 lines including
comments and shebang. I don't mind the alternatives that have
been created/proposed in the meantime.
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3028[18:02:12] <stoned> honor kill?
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3029[18:02:16] <stoned> \o/
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3030[18:02:27] <stoned> cool script
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3032[18:02:46] <stoned> And the letter to Bush.
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3105[18:37:55] <Abbott> I ran into this problem with libstdc++
replaced-url
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3107[18:38:13] <Abbott> so I sudo apt-get install libstdc++ the
other day and the package installed
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3108[18:38:25] <Abbott> but today I tried running the same
program and I got the libstdc++ error again
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3109[18:38:43] <Abbott> I checked the installation with sudo
apt-get install libstdc++ and it's now telling me I have held
broken packages
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3110[18:39:03] <Abbott> Is there something I did to break it? I
haven't run apt since yesterday to get this package
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3112[18:39:29] <greycat> libstdc++ isn't even a package
name...
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3114[18:40:05] <greycat> So.. you tried to do something, but we
don't know what. Then you maybe installed something, but we
don'
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3115[18:40:30] <greycat> t know what. Then you did something
else, but we don't know what. And now you have "held
broken packages" but we don't know which ones.
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3119[18:41:28] <Abbott> greycat:
replaced-url
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3120[18:41:42] <Abbott> I get a hit with install libstdc++
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3121[18:42:03] <greycat> for regex 'libstdc+' ... hah.
That's hilarious.
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3123[18:42:10] <jelly> !bat
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3124[18:42:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3125[18:42:31] <jelly> Abbott: ^^ read that and provide specific
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3126[18:42:34] <jelly> info.
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3127[18:42:46] <jelly> all of it
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3128[18:43:04] <greycat> Since libstdc++ *is not a package name*,
apt-get tried to treat the trailing + as a the "one or
more" operator of a regex, and then took the rest of the string
as literal, and then it matched against EVERY PACKAGE that begins
with libstdc+
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3129[18:43:18] <jelly> libstdc++6 however is a different beast
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3130[18:43:29] <Abbott> shit
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3131[18:43:32] <Abbott> okay
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3132[18:43:32] <ten> mmm
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3133[18:43:35] <greycat> So you tried to ask it to install every
libstdc+ package that exists, and it can't.
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3134[18:43:35] <tenyasha> nnn
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3135[18:43:54] <Abbott> does the pastebin I just sent supply
everything for 1.?
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3136[18:44:15] <greycat> It means "stop typing that
command".
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3141[18:44:49] <jmcnaught> Abbott: did you install the .deb file
from the ubuntuforums page that you linked
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3142[18:44:53] <jelly> tenyasha, ten: muted until you explain
yourself in PM
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3143[18:44:59] <greycat> Since the command did nothing, you
should be fine. Go back to your original problem. What are you
trying to do, and what error are you getting?
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3144[18:45:06] <Abbott> no I didn't install the .deb
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3146[18:45:30] <Abbott> greycat: I am getting this error: error
while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory
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3148[18:45:48] <greycat> judd, file libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
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3149[18:45:52] <Abbott> or something similar. I can't
reproduce rn as the script has to run for a while to prodice the
error again
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3150[18:46:05] <Abbott> but it is a libstdc++.....so
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3151[18:46:06] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with
that file.
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3153[18:46:14] <greycat> (C++ is a bag of dicks and should go die
in a fire)
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3157[18:47:10] <Abbott> I'll try running it agian to
reproduce which .so it is asking for specifically
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3158[18:47:16] <greycat> The jessie libstdc++6 package has
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.20 so it seems you are
trying to run a third-party binary program that links against a
*NEWER* C++ lib than Jessie has.
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3160[18:47:26] <jelly> greycat: that would be "fucking
old"
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3161[18:47:37] <jelly> libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2:
/usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
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3162[18:47:44] <greycat> Oh.
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3166[18:48:00] <jelly> judd only goes back to wheezy or squeeze
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3170[18:48:29] <greycat> So 6.2-2.so.3 is older than .so.6.0.20
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3171[18:48:29] <jelly> (don't ask why I have decades old
libs installed)
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3174[18:48:42] <jelly> quite a bit, yes
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3175[18:49:05] <greycat> See, C++ damages your brain so much that
you would create filenames like this.
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3177[18:49:11] <jelly> can't be bothered to look up the
package on archive.debian.org
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3178[18:49:18] <metachr0n> greycat: i was able to backport taskd
for jessie so thanks for that suggestion previously
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3179[18:49:35] <Abbott> Yeah I just double checked and I'm
getting no such file/directory for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
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3181[18:49:51] <greycat> Abbott: jelly showed the package that
contained it, but it's ancient.
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3182[18:50:07] <jelly> Abbott: the binary you're trying to
use is made for a linux 10+ years old
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3185[18:50:26] <Abbott> wow
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3188[18:51:01] <metachr0n> greycat: i really wasn't aware of
such cool tools in Debian ... i've been using mostly Gentoo
since systemd
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3189[18:51:03] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3190[18:51:10] <jelly> nice
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3194[18:51:52] <greycat> The bad news: no amd64. It didn't
exist at the time. The good news: your ancient C++ binary is
probably i386 anyway.
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3197[18:52:32] <Abbott> oh i see
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3201[18:52:44] <Abbott> this program is running the rar binaries
from 2002 so that's probably why it needs this stuff
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3206[18:53:50] <Abbott> so will "apt-get install
libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2" do it? I probably have to add multiarch
to get it to grab i386 or will it know that I can install that
already if I'm x86_64
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3210[18:54:28] <greycat> Abbott: download the appropriate .deb
manually, and if you can't install it, do NOT try to force it.
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3212[18:56:14] <Abbott> okay. I have only installed one deb
before, I used "dpkg -i foo.deb" then "apg-get
install -f" for dependencies. Is that a good way to go about
it?
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3213[18:57:00] <greycat> You will not be able to resolve
dependencies from a woody .deb using apt-get. It'll be entirely
manual.
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3214[18:57:18] <jelly> Abbott: why not use rar binaries from this
decade
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3216[18:57:21] <jelly> ,v rar
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3217[18:57:28] <judd> Package: rar on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free:
2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; stretch/non-free:
2:5.3.b2-1; sid/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1
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3220[18:58:00] <greycat> !woody
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3221[18:58:01] <dpkg> Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux
3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was
terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are
available from
replaced-url
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3223[18:58:09] <greycat> OK. technically still this century.
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3227[18:59:04] <Abbott> jelly: the program tries to re-create
.rar's from an .sfv. so If the file was origianally packaged in
2002, I have to use the 2002 binaries
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3229[18:59:20] <jelly> ha
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3230[18:59:34] <greycat> I didn't even understand the
assertion enough to laugh at it.
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3231[18:59:35] <duff> will my computer run debian
replaced-url
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3234[19:00:30] <jelly> duff: yes, but how well it's going to
run depends on other hardware components
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3235[19:00:59] <duff> I have a gtx 1050 video card and 500gb ssd
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3238[19:01:49] <duff> 10608
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3240[19:01:56] <duff> 1060*
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3241[19:02:24] <greycat> Oooh, it's an auction.
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3245[19:02:37] <greycat> Do I hear 1100?
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3248[19:02:56] <lethu> 110 one time!
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3249[19:03:03] <lethu> 1100*
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3254[19:07:05] <Abbott> okay I'm not getting an error
anymore after installing it with dpkg -i
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3255[19:07:08] <Abbott> thanks guys
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3256[19:07:41] <jelly> duf... eh
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3283[19:19:32] <stoned> lol
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3287[19:21:21] <oo_miguel> a couple of times each year my server
becomes unavailble (i can not ping, ssh, etc). The only option I
manage to fix it, is by issueing a POWER-OFF and POWER-ON via the
webinterface of my provider. (there is also a ctrl-alt-del option,
but this does not resolve the issue). Where, beside kernel.log
(which does not show anything bad) should I look for the source of
my problem?
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3291[19:23:34] <teraflops> oo_miguel: two times a year? are you
sure it's not just network issue or the vps provider (if
it's a remote server) ?
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3292[19:23:54] <unborn> oo_miguel: check your access logs -
apache error logs and ssh and ftp access logs.. perhaps you are
sometimes shortly bruteforced or ddosed
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3294[19:24:23] <unborn> ah couple of times in year? I thought
that you have this problem constantly meh
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3300[19:25:08] <toruvinn> oo_miguel, frankly it would be the best
if you could see the console when that happens :-/ are you, perhaps,
hosting it in OVH?
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3306[19:25:50] <oo_miguel> unborn / teraflops: I also considered
this might be a network issue, but why it gets solved by
hard-rebooting (through providers admin-console, but ctrl-alt-del,
does not work)
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3307[19:25:53] <greycat> I don't think oo_miguel is
"hosting" it. I think he's a customer.
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3308[19:26:00] <oo_miguel> I am a customer
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3309[19:26:12] <teraflops> oo_miguel: did you even ask the
provider?
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3310[19:26:17] <oo_miguel> I am renting a server from some
provider
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3312[19:26:49] <unborn> oo_miguel: then your best bet would be
contacting their support customer care center
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3313[19:26:51] <oo_miguel> I did not ask yet, since I wanted to
try resolve it first myself or at least make sure its not an
configuration issue
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3315[19:27:08] <teraflops> lol 2 times a year, where do I have to
sign :P
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3316[19:27:13] <greycat> heh
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3317[19:27:16] <oo_miguel> haha
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3319[19:27:32] <teraflops> oo_miguel: next time ask the provider,
or open a ticket
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3320[19:27:58] <oo_miguel> allright, i will ask. but its my job
to configure the server properly, they do not care about kernel bugs
or similar
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3322[19:28:09] <oo_miguel> I am just renting the hardware
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3323[19:28:16] <teraflops> oo_miguel: it's jour job to ask
the provider too
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3324[19:28:22] <oo_miguel> agree :)
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3331[19:29:02] <oo_miguel> i will look trough some logs, but next
time it happens I will definitely ask them, before doing the
power-off. (so they can examine it on-site)
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3333[19:29:19] <oo_miguel> thanks for the advices
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3339[19:30:08] <toruvinn> oo_miguel, i've had my share of
weird things like controllers (sata/raid) freezing, NICs not working
or losing link to switch (reboot fixed both), etc. if you get
literally nothing in logs and network stops working too, you may be
getting some sort of full freeze or awful kernel panic there. would
be better if they could check it "locally" this way.
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3342[19:31:42] <winsen> hi all
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3343[19:32:16] <winsen> I'd like to install amule but I had
this error message, does anybody know how to fix it please? "E:
Unable to locate package..."
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3348[19:34:43] <greycat> ~$ apt-cache search --names-only amule
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3349[19:34:43] <greycat> amule-emc - lists ed2k links inside
emulecollection files
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3350[19:34:46] <jelly> winsen: there is no version of amule
available in current debian release, debian 8 (jessie)
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3351[19:34:48] <greycat> Is that it?
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3352[19:35:00] <jelly> you could try to backport it
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3353[19:35:01] <toruvinn> there is one in wheezy though!
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3354[19:35:02] <toruvinn> just checked
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3355[19:35:04] <jelly> ,v amult
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3356[19:35:05] <judd> No package named 'amult' was
found in amd64.
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3357[19:35:06] <jelly> ,v amule
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3358[19:35:07] <judd> Package: amule on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3.1-9;
jessie-multimedia: 2.3.1+git1a369e47-dmo4bp1; sid: 1:2.3.2-1;
stretch: 1:2.3.2-1
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3359[19:35:07] <rozie> winsen: provide full command and output
please
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3360[19:35:25] <greycat> rozie: not needed just yet.
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3361[19:35:32] <jelly> rozie: no need for that when it's
pretty sure what the cause is
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3362[19:35:35] <winsen> rozie: sorry?
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3364[19:36:10] <jelly> let's see if a local backport is
feasible at all
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3366[19:36:18] <jelly> ,checkbackport amule
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3367[19:36:21] <judd> Backporting package amule in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, virtual.
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3368[19:36:21] <greycat> So I guess your choices are (1) try
jessie-multimedia (dangerous), (2) try backporting stretch's,
(3) build upstream source
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3374[19:37:33] <jelly> winsen: for the backport recipe for option
(2), read: /msg dpkg ssb
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3375[19:37:34] <winsen> rozie:
replaced-url
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3378[19:37:43] <oo_miguel> toruvinn: yeah, this is also my
nightmare, like some complete freeze due to a kernel bug or hardware
failure and I keep wondering how they will distinguish these both :P
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3380[19:38:24] <winsen> jelly: I don't get you sorry
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3382[19:38:40] <greycat> winsen: So I guess your choices are (1)
try jessie-multimedia (dangerous), (2) try backporting
stretch's, (3) build upstream source
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3383[19:38:57] <jelly> winsen: type "/msg dpkg ssb" in
your irc client. Read the response from dpkg bot
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3384[19:39:10] <teraflops> oo_miguel: dont you have a serial
console thingy available on the web admin interface? most providers
have it
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3386[19:39:27] <rozie> winsen: show sources.list
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3387[19:39:32] <greycat> *sigh*
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3388[19:39:41] <jmcnaught> rozie: amule isn't in jessie
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3390[19:39:48] <greycat> rozie: we already KNOW the package
isn't in jessie. See judd's output above.
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3391[19:40:09] <rozie> but we don't know anything about his
sources.list, ain't we?
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3392[19:40:21] <jelly> and we don't need to
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3395[19:40:29] <greycat> winsen: which version of Debian are you
using?
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3397[19:40:56] <oo_miguel> teraflops: they only connect such a
console on request for a small time.
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3403[19:42:15] <winsen> rozie:
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3404[19:42:29] <winsen> greycat: debian jessie
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3405[19:43:24] <rozie> winsen: as mentioned earlier, there's
no amule in jessie
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3407[19:43:47] <greycat> rozie is only 8 minutes behind
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3408[19:43:52] <rozie> you can add jessie-multimedia repository
or use/make backport
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3409[19:44:11] <greycat> Ooh, 7 minutes behind now! Really
rolling!
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3410[19:44:40] <rozie> greycat: but this time he will get it
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3412[19:45:14] <winsen> rozie: what do you mean? it can not be
installed on debian8?
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3416[19:45:45] <greycat> rozie: Oops. Too optimistic. Only three
repetitions were not sufficient to drive the point home.
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