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43 [00:19:11] <hxmuller> is cdebootstrap not working for
Stretch?
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46 [00:21:28] <hxmuller> I'm getting this error when
running cdebootstrap:
replaced-url
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91 [00:45:18] * mnuhmnuh define crazy.
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104 [00:51:14] <kingsley> How would you find which package, if
any, contains GNU's version of the "iconv" command?
105 [00:51:21] <kingsley> It's documented at
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107 [00:51:29] <kingsley>
replaced-url
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112 [00:51:55] <kingsley> When I do
113 [00:51:59] <kingsley> # dpkg -S $( which iconv)
114 [00:52:03] <kingsley> I get
115 [00:52:16] <kingsley> libc-bin: /usr/bin/iconv
116 [00:52:50] <kingsley> which is a different version of iconv.
It doesn't support the
"−−unicode−subst" option.
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129 [00:59:34] <Mr_Queue> Anyone here familur with RedFish?
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221 [02:05:25] <rant> I'm familiar with that as well as
BlueFish, OneFish and Twofish :P
222 [02:06:10] * rant seriously never heard of RedFish only Blufish
(markup editor) and Twofish (algorithm)
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246 [02:21:13] <kk> Hello Guys, Linux noobie here..I am trying to
script a quick bash script that will start ssh-add command so that I
don't have to type the passphrase again and again.
247 [02:21:18] <kk>
replaced-url
248 [02:21:32] <kk> I wrote this..But its not working
249 [02:21:42] <kk> Can anyone please help
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532 [04:36:39] <Mr_Queue> rant: Looks like it might replace IPMI
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538 [04:38:17] <Mr_Queue> rant:
replaced-url
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540 [04:39:42] <Mr_Queue> kk: Look at expect
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581 [05:05:35] <ThiagoCMC> guys, what is the alternative to the
"auto-apt" ?
582 [05:05:37] <ThiagoCMC> It is gone.
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588 [05:10:20] <Mr_Queue> unattended-upgrades?
589 [05:10:50] <ThiagoCMC> Hmm... I'll give it a try! =)
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591 [05:11:29] <ThiagoCMC> I was thinking about search, with
auto-apt, for with package will bring file
"/usr/bin/something"...
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593 [05:12:18] <somiaj> I don't know auto-apt, but it sounds
like you want apt-file? Or can you clairfy what the search does?
594 [05:12:49] <Mr_Queue> unattended-upgrades will be default in
10.
595 [05:13:03] <ThiagoCMC> For example... auto-apt search Xlib.h
596 [05:13:10] <somiaj> in this case, auto-apt is something
different.
597 [05:13:10] <ThiagoCMC> will tell you which package will bring
that file.
598 [05:13:24] <somiaj> ThiagoCMC: apt-file does that, auto-apt
does something different.
599 [05:13:34] <Mr_Queue> It won't restart services, but you
can scrit that out too. Check out the package
'debian-goodies'
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601 [05:13:35] <somiaj> but if all you want to know is what
package contains a file, use apt-file
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603 [05:13:47] <ThiagoCMC> somiaj, thank you!
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605 [05:14:11] <somiaj> you wont have the auto ability of
automatically isntalling a package that contains that file, but give
a monet
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608 [05:15:27] <somiaj> seems auto-apt was just broken, and no
one to matain/fix it
609 [05:15:35] <somiaj>
replaced-url
610 [05:15:36] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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612 [05:16:00] <somiaj> though I think using apt-file to find the
package you want, and manually isntalling it is a better solution
than having a program automatically install it if a program requests
the file.
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615 [05:17:10] <Mr_Queue> what could go wrong?
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617 [05:18:11] <somiaj> Seems it was mostly designed for building
software to help ./configure scripts manually get what they need as
they go.
618 [05:18:30] <somiaj> It might work okay, I just find it
'iffy' because I don't like things automatically
installing packages like that.
619 [05:18:46] <somiaj> overall it is not in debian due to no one
want to maintain it and keep the software up to date.
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640 [05:31:17] <Mr_Queue> You really only need
unattended-upgrades. Get used to it, it's comming. You'll
need to disable it if you know how to do that. Else it's
assumed you need help. Which is a good thing, should cleanup
servers/laptop/devices plugged in and forgotten about.
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643 [05:33:22] <somiaj> Mr_Queue: apt-auto is a different tool
that unattended-upgrades would not help with.
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657 [05:44:23] <Mr_Queue> I guess I have no idea what apt-auto
would fix. What's the problem?
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661 [05:46:56] <somiaj> It automatically installs packages when
something requests a file that is missing. It was designed for
building software, it would automatically install any missing -dev
libary that a ./configure script would try to use but was missing,
so someone woudln't have to track down the package with
apt-file and manually install it with apt-get
662 [05:47:18] <somiaj> but since it has been broken since
jessie, and no one seems to want to matain it, it has been removed
and is no longer a tool debian has.
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666 [05:48:47] <r_rios> Hello, all. Does anyone else has a
problem of apt getting stuck at 0% for a while on any network
operation?
667 [05:48:56] <r_rios> It happens for me on both apt update,
upgrade and install
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669 [05:49:15] <somiaj> Are you using a proxy? Could it be
something with your network? Does it eventually become unstuck?
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671 [05:50:18] <r_rios> I'm not using a proxy. It does
eventually get unstuck
672 [05:50:36] <somiaj> It sounds like an issue with your
network, but that is mostly a guess and I can't say more.
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674 [05:50:46] <somiaj> also pealse don't cross post.
675 [05:50:46] <r_rios> And I don't believe it has anything
to do with my network. Another Debian machine of mine doesn't
have the problem
676 [05:51:26] <somiaj> wonder if there is some io wait or
network wait, and the process is stuck waiting for time to work.
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678 [05:52:01] <r_rios> It gets stuck at 0% [Working]
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681 [05:52:19] <somiaj> well it is waiting for something, I
don't know what it could be waiting for.
682 [05:52:22] <r_rios> I tried cleaning the cache, the package
lists, etc
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686 [05:52:48] <somiaj> is this with both apt and apt-get?
687 [05:52:49] <r_rios> Okay. Thanks for the help anyway
688 [05:52:55] <r_rios> (Sorry about the crosspost)
689 [05:53:05] <r_rios> somiaj: Yes
690 [05:53:35] <somiaj> do both machines (one that works and one
that doesn't) use the same mirror? What mirror is the broken
one using?
691 [05:54:12] <r_rios> somiaj: Not right now, but I've
changed mirrors several times in this machine and it didn't
change the results
692 [05:54:49] <r_rios> Also, I though it might have something to
do with PackageKit competing for resources with apt, but I
uninstalled everything PackageKit-related and it didn't help
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698 [05:57:58] <somiaj> sounds like you have tried what most the
hits in google I see suggested. One came up that it was trying to
use ipv6, but you would have seen that
699 [05:58:29] <somiaj> but you can create a file
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4 and then include the line
Acquire::ForceIPv4 true;
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701 [05:59:02] <Dagger> you can also fix your network
702 [05:59:57] <thatpythonguy> can anyone help me with an
mpd/ncmpcpp problem
703 [06:00:00] <Dagger> if apt-get is trying v6 first, then your
system has some kind of global v6 config set up. if that v6 config
isn't working, then figure out what's wrong and fix it.
going around and configuring programs to avoid it isn't the
right way to go
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705 [06:00:29] <Dagger> also `wget` is a good tool for debugging
HTTP fetches, since it prints useful log output
706 [06:00:37] <somiaj> though that may not be the issue, it is
just a guess what is causing apt to fail.
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712 [06:05:08] <r_rios> somiaj: I'll see if that helps
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715 [06:06:20] <r_rios> Dagger: I'm using a normal wifi
connection via nm, so I'm not sure what I could do wrong there
716 [06:06:58] <somiaj> does the other machine that works use
wifi?
717 [06:07:02] <r_rios> Yup
718 [06:07:22] <somiaj> unsure what is the best way to debug what
is causing a wait
719 [06:07:40] <r_rios> "if apt-get is trying v6 first"
720 [06:07:48] <r_rios> It is, from the looks of it
721 [06:08:23] <somiaj> did that conf fix your issue?
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723 [06:09:06] <r_rios> No, but, when apt finally gets unstuck,
it shows me ipv6 addresses
724 [06:09:31] <r_rios> All I have to do is create the file and
I'm done, right?
725 [06:09:36] <somiaj> correct
726 [06:09:51] <r_rios> So, no, it didn't help
727 [06:10:01] <somiaj> !disable ipv6
728 [06:10:01] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the
loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line
option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
729 [06:10:25] <somiaj> you will have to reboot for that, again
this is a hack approach, but you could didsable ipv6 altogether, and
see if that helps
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731 [06:10:40] <somiaj> If this ends up being the issue, then as
Dagger pointed out, fix your network.
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733 [06:10:54] <Dagger> no, please *don't* disable v6
systemwide, we're long past the point where that's a
reasonable response to anything
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735 [06:11:05] <r_rios> What do you mean by "fix" my
network?
736 [06:11:23] <r_rios> And pinging to ipv6 addresses seems to
work fine
737 [06:11:24] <Dagger> pastebin the output of `wget <URL to
mirror>` and let's see what's actually happening
738 [06:12:49] <r_rios> Dagger:
replaced-url
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743 [06:16:45] <Dagger> see, that does seem to be working fine
744 [06:18:53] <Dagger> it's possible that your v6
connectivity is intermittent... or also perhaps that your DNS is
intermittent
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access?
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768 [06:35:31] <r_rios> Dagger: my v6 connectivity is fine. This
was just after trying to update and still getting stuck at 0%
[Working]
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771 [06:36:28] <r_rios> Dagger: I forced v4 in apt's configs
and I still got the same problem, so I doubt this is related to ipv6
772 [06:37:03] <r_rios> I even tried to edit the v4 ips into
sources.list just in case. Still no good
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775 [06:38:41] <r_rios> My only guess is that this could be
related to some lost cache file somewhere making my life difficult,
but I'm not sure where
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786 [06:43:40] <Dagger> I don't suppose the problem shows up
in `wget -O/dev/null
replaced-url
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792 [06:47:37] <r_rios> Dagger: it doesn't
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795 [06:49:43] <Dagger>
replaced-url
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808 [07:00:07] <r_rios> Dagger: Nope
809 [07:01:13] <somiaj> it's a ghost!! *hides*
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813 [07:03:40] <Dagger> r_rios: I'm out of ideas then. I
can't think of anything else that would affect apt-get and not
wget
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816 [07:04:13] <somiaj> does aptitude have the same issue?
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819 [07:04:54] <somiaj> wonder if it is some io wait or something
else, and the process is waiting for an io bus...though I can't
think of what could be the problem.
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846 [07:19:07] <r_rios> Dagger: It's fine. I've been
struggling with this issue for months now, so I knew it would be
hard
847 [07:19:15] <r_rios> Thanks for all the help, though[
848 [07:19:32] <somiaj> r_rios: did you try aptitude?
849 [07:19:45] <r_rios> somiaj: aptitude does have the same issue
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851 [07:20:18] <somiaj> thought it might, some underlaying
process is waiting. I wonder if you could watch something like iotop
or the process to see what it is waiting on
852 [07:21:05] <r_rios> I have to install iotop first
853 [07:21:13] <r_rios> It will take a little while
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855 [07:24:33] <somiaj> iotop more shows what io is being used,
but maybe you'll notice something strange, again I'm
unsure what tools to debug what could be causing the wait. Since
wget seems to be fine, leads to wonder if it is something else
causing the wait.
856 [07:25:24] <Dagger> I'd try to tcpdump and see if
staring at the traffic reveals any useful info
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859 [07:26:16] <Dagger> could also run under strace, or (if you
can work out how to get it to give you useful symbols) maybe gdb. if
you break into apt-get while it's hung and print a stack trace,
it may give you an idea of what it's doing
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1006 [08:43:52] <michael2> hi, I have this notification in top
right corner of screen - which won't go away:
1007 [08:43:54] <michael2>
replaced-url
1008 [08:44:07] <michael2> does anyone know how I can remove this?
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1020 [08:53:04] <darxmurf> reboot
1021 [08:53:04] <darxmurf> :D
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1023 [08:53:56] <darxmurf> why the hell CentOS does not provide a
list of mirrors during install. Damn are we in 1980 ?!
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1031 [08:57:59] <jim> it's possible some here know... and, as
you know, debian did solve that problem, which needed to be solved
because it installs stuff after installing the base
1032 [08:59:21] <jim> I dunno, it's possble you can find a
place where more centos devs are to ask that question too
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1034 [09:00:17] <jim> here's a resource for that: there is a
bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the
Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help
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1137 [09:57:30] <dracc> How do I find cmake variables used to
create a specific .deb ?
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1140 [09:57:52] <dracc> (I.E. how do I find what cmake options was
used to build libbullet-dev ?)
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1151 [10:02:08] <Fox> dracc: can't you get the info into the
sources ?
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1165 [10:06:06] <dracc> Fox, I guess I could. Am noob though, so
did not think that far.
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1187 [10:17:11] <jolt> dracc: I imagine there might be something
useful in the auto-build logs:
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1193 [10:19:25] <dracc> jolt, Thank you very much!
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1197 [10:22:18] <dracc> It seems as if the package maintainers
does no magic. Current git master HEAD of bullet is broken (for me)
then.
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1283 [11:12:29] <srruby> should i use buster for development?
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1290 [11:13:47] <petn-randall> srruby: For what kind of
development?
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1297 [11:14:23] <petn-randall> srruby: In general, unless you want
to contribute to Debian's next release, I would use stable.
1298 [11:14:26] <srruby> ruby php,react,npm, html
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1321 [11:26:51] <Tom01> stable is too outdated
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1325 [11:31:43] <bites> stable is on php 7.0 and buster on 7.2.
for npm and node you would want to use the upstream repo anyway and
for react and html it doesn't matter.
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1327 [11:32:23] <bites> but i'd go with stable and use
something like vagrant to get reproducible environments with the
deps you want to target.
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1335 [11:37:38] <padomay> hi there. i need to install the amd
audio card's firmware
1336 [11:37:48] <padomay> and I don't know where to find them
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1341 [11:40:21] <BCMM> padomay: what audio device is this?
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1345 [11:40:55] <BCMM> padomay: actually, do you know what
firmware file you need? if the driver is otherwise working properly,
you should have a "failed to load" messaged in dmesg
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1347 [11:42:20] <padomay> here's my inxi output
1348 [11:42:21] <padomay>
replaced-url
1349 [11:42:50] <BCMM> padomay: what makes you think you're
missing firmware?
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1352 [11:43:07] <BCMM> i would expect the audio device to not show
up with missing firmware
1353 [11:43:13] <padomay> well... not the whole firmware obviously
1354 [11:43:27] <padomay> le tme explain
1355 [11:43:33] <BCMM> can you pastebin `aplay -l` and `dmesg`?
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1359 [11:45:08] <padomay> i downloaded the amd-graphics firmware
because i was missing the extensions for the rendering 3d
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1365 [11:46:08] <padomay> and my audio card is working bad
1366 [11:46:21] <padomay> like.. the sound is not clean
1367 [11:46:28] <BCMM> padomay: ah, i think i get it - was your
sound working fine before you installed firmware-amd-graphics?
1368 [11:46:30] <padomay> and it's also laggy
1369 [11:46:37] <padomay> no no
1370 [11:46:49] <padomay> i just forgot about it
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1372 [11:47:09] <BCMM> sorry, i have to go
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1374 [11:47:38] <padomay> BCMM, don't worry..
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1409 [12:06:10] <Nothing4You> i'm trying to figure out how to
shrink a physical lvm partition
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1412 [12:06:41] <Nothing4You> i've got a vg with 200gb size
and 19gb allocated / used
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1415 [12:08:35] <Nothing4You> `pvs --segments /dev/disk` tells me
that i have plenty of free space at the end, my lvs are at the
beginning
1416 [12:08:57] <Nothing4You> i can't figure out how to
reduce the vg size
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1421 [12:09:41] <Kelsar> Nothing4You: you want to reduce a lv not
a vg
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1423 [12:10:15] <Kelsar> vg just shrinks and expands with the pvs
added to/removed from it
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1428 [12:14:05] <Nothing4You> Kelsar: no i don't
1429 [12:14:09] <Nothing4You> Kelsar: my lvs are reduced
1430 [12:14:17] <Nothing4You> i have 2 lvs that sum up to less
than 20G
1431 [12:14:30] <Nothing4You> i have /dev/sda2 which is a 200G
partition used by lvm
1432 [12:14:39] <Nothing4You> i want to shrink /dev/sda2 so i can
create a new partition on the disk
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1434 [12:16:31] <Nothing4You> `pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize`
tells me "requested size x is less than real size 200 GiB.
Proceed?"
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1445 [12:22:13] <Kelsar> then you want to proceed
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1447 [12:22:45] <Kelsar> usually you shrink the pv a bit more then
you want to shrink the partition, then shrink the partition and
resize the pv to the final size
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1453 [12:29:15] <Nothing4You> i see
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1455 [12:29:24] <Nothing4You> gparted seems to have been breaking
my attempts
1456 [12:29:28] <Nothing4You> fdisk worked
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1458 [12:30:03] <pinkos> hi
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1460 [12:30:16] <pinkos> is anyone using linux well with ryzen
2400g?
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1468 [12:40:20] <deface> hi all
1469 [12:40:27] <deface> David please
1470 [12:40:30] <deface> use it
1471 [12:40:41] <petn-randall> deface: What are you talking about?
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1552 [13:23:35] <disposable2> i need to create a simple debian
package that contains a shell script, a systemd unit file and a
postinst script that does daemon-reload and enables the service. is
there a guide for such simple things? every guide i've found so
far just pushes me closer to instanity. i'm not using a source
package, i don't need to compile anything...
1553 [13:23:48] <disposable2> s/instanity/insanity
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1558 [13:25:48] <petn-randall> disposable2: Use a source package,
even if you don't compile anything.
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1561 [13:26:14] <petn-randall> disposable2: It's much easier
than packaging binary packages by hand.
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1563 [13:26:48] <disposable2> petn-randall: it's a shell
script that sets up and tears down swapping to zram. there is no
source package.
1564 [13:27:09] <petn-randall> disposable2: Then make one.
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1894 [16:32:43] <noirx> hello, i print things, but no printing
happens, printer queue is empty
1895 [16:33:07] <noirx> i have fresh debian 9
1896 [16:33:22] <noirx> can someone help me please
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1902 [16:34:37] <jpw> noirx: what debugging steps have you tried
so far?
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1908 [16:35:57] <Haohmaru> noirx, is it plugged in, does it have
ink, paper, everything..?
1909 [16:36:03] <noirx> yes
1910 [16:36:26] <jpw> is the printer showing as ready in CUPS?
1911 [16:36:27] <noirx> and recognized by debian, test page prints
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1913 [16:36:44] <noirx> from printer
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1915 [16:37:04] <noirx> but no printing happens when i print
1916 [16:37:06] <Haohmaru> you're not accidentally trying to
print your file thru a different printer, are you?
1917 [16:37:13] <jpw> how is the printer connected to the
computer? wifi, ethernet, usb, (LPT?)
1918 [16:37:19] <noirx> usb
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1924 [16:38:29] <noirx> when i print a page, nothing happens, it
is detected,
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1932 [16:40:20] <jpw> norix: and you say when you print a test
page from your computer it works?
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1948 [16:45:20] <Haohmaru> is he printing the test page from the
computer or from the printer itself (some of them have menus and
buttons for that kind of stuff)
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1950 [16:46:03] <jpw> he implied he was printing the test page
from his printer
1951 [16:46:11] <jpw> hence why I tried to get him to clarify
1952 [16:46:17] <Haohmaru> oh, right
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2069 [17:40:35] <RedSoxFan08> I've got an issue with a GPU.
I'm not sure if it was an update or something, but I can't
get my nvidia gpu to work with the proprietary driver. I installed
the proprietary driver a couple days ago, but I can't get the
GPU working. Whenever I try to boot with the GPU in the PC, Debian
stops loading once it gets to the part where it seems to have run
fsck.
2070 [17:40:49] <RedSoxFan08> Do I need to disable Nouveau?
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2072 [17:40:57] <RedSoxFan08> Or is it a different sort of issue?
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2077 [17:43:08] <RedSoxFan08> Anybody?
2078 [17:43:23] <FreyjaDomville> running both drivers actively is
a bad idea. Try disabling nouveau.
2079 [17:43:30] <RedSoxFan08> How do I do that?
2080 [17:44:01] <greycat> Before you DO anything, you should tell
us which video chipset it is, and which release of Debian.
2081 [17:44:18] <greycat> Also, did it work PREVIOUSLY? If so,
what changed since then?
2082 [17:44:18] <FreyjaDomville> first you'll need to add
nomodeset to your GRUB command so the drivers don't attempt to
load.
2083 [17:44:27] <FreyjaDomville> ah, very true
2084 [17:44:33] <FreyjaDomville> apologies, greycat
2085 [17:44:38] <RedSoxFan08> greycat: The GPU is an Nvidia GT
1030. The Debian release is Debian Buster.
2086 [17:44:47] <greycat> !debian-next
2087 [17:44:47] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. oftc OFTC oftc oftc OFTC? Invite? Oftc oftc malkovich
oftc.
2088 [17:45:05] <greycat> I knew it sounded like a testing issue.
There's been a lot of testing users complaining about changes
in nvidia drivers.
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2099 [17:49:10] <jhutchins_wk> RedSoxFan07: The proprietary
drivers don't actually support testing, although they may work.
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2103 [17:52:51] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: Well, they worked
before with a GT 740 and then quit.
2104 [17:53:10] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: And that was just a
couple days ago.
2105 [17:53:10] <greycat> Probably because you upgraded xorg to
1.20 in testing.
2106 [17:53:22] <greycat> That seems to be the common trigger that
those insane testing users talk about.
2107 [17:53:36] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: I'll give that a shot.
2108 [17:53:50] <greycat> You should be talking to them in
#debian-next @ OFTC.
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2111 [17:54:26] <jhutchins_wk> I would expect to at lest have to
re-build the drivers for the new hardware, and if xorg upgraded to
rebuild for that.
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2113 [17:54:48] <jhutchins_wk> nomodeset would definitely be the
starting point for a recovery.
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2134 [18:05:18] <hirok> Hi peoples
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2139 [18:07:56] <hirok> I'm using linux mint and thinking to
jump to debian.. But when i got into debian's official page i
tried to download it throught bittorrent amd64 and i got 3 files
which are 3.7GB,4.4GB,4.4 GB... So which iso i should download for
debian cinnamon version... Does anyone help me please
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2142 [18:08:55] <mutante> hirok: you really just need the
netinstall .iso (much smaller) and boot from that and you can let it
download the needed packages during install.. as long as you have
Internet
2143 [18:09:04] <mutante> hirok: that way you also just download
what you actually install
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2145 [18:09:49] <mutante> which desktop environment you install
you can always decide after the base system is installed
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2147 [18:10:24] <hirok> But i have some internet issues... I got
2GB data per day.. so i can't netinstall because the file is
larger than it.. mutante
2148 [18:11:36] <hirok> And the problem is they didn't write
the iso name in the official page mutante... They just write the
names iso1, iso2 .....
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2151 [18:12:18] <greycat> The netinst image is about 300 MB. An
installation of Debian using that image will probably download
another 200 MB to 2 GB depending on what you install.
2152 [18:13:06] <greycat> So in theory, you could download the
netinst on day 1, wait, then install on day 2. Or just not install
as much.
2153 [18:13:42] <hirok> Oh okie greycat... Thanx for your
suggestion...
2154 [18:13:57] <greycat> And if this is a laptop, use the
non-free firmware images.
2155 [18:14:01] <greycat> !firmware images
2156 [18:14:01] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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2158 [18:14:10] <hirok> And will debian be better than ubuntu or
mint?? From your experience
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2161 [18:15:09] <hirok> And what is non free image?
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2164 [18:15:34] <greycat> 12:14 dpkg> Unofficial
<netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian
firmware packages"
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2167 [18:15:45] <jolt> non-free is software where the licence isnt
completely unrestricted
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2169 [18:16:28] <hirok> Oooooreplaced-url
2170 [18:16:57] <hirok> Will i get any problem if i download
offline installation images?
2171 [18:17:00] <greycat> If it's not a laptop, or if by some
miracle it doesn't use wireless interfaces that need non-free
firmware, then you can use the regular netinst.
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2174 [18:17:25] <hirok> Nope... It's a laptop
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2178 [18:18:36] <hirok> And greycat... Will i able to play some
fps game in debian like linux mint??
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2181 [18:19:18] <greycat> I know nothing about Mint.
2182 [18:19:54] <hirok> Oops! I mean do i play games there? In
debian or it's just for programming
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2187 [18:20:47] <greycat> You can do whatever you want.
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2190 [18:21:48] <jolt> hirok: If it runs on another Linux it is
likely it will run under Debian too. No guarantees though.
2191 [18:21:58] <hirok> I'm just asking because some days ago
I was an idiot and i installed parrot os lmao... so i face some
problems like video quality is very poor and slow... and parrot is
under debian... so i'm trying to know before i install the os
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2195 [18:23:41] <hirok> And thanx guys... for your replies
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2198 [18:25:00] <annadane> well, no, you can have free software
with a restricted license
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2229 [18:38:19] <Aziroshin> hirok: There are thousands of games on
Steam that run on Linux. Be aware that they mainly target Ubuntu.
However, Ubuntu is debian based, so, your chances might be pretty
good.
2230 [18:38:53] <Aziroshin> Even if you run into trouble,
it's probably nothing a little fiddling couldn't fix. :)
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2271 [18:53:53] <inquisitiv3> What's the best way to setup a
build environment for building packages for Debian?
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2274 [18:55:28] <greycat> inquisitiv3: /msg dpkg nmg
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2280 [18:57:46] <inquisitiv3> greycat: Seems that it didn't
work as you indented?
2281 [18:58:28] <inquisitiv3> Can't find something obvious
matching nmg when I google "nmg debian" or "nmg
dpkg".
2282 [18:58:37] <greycat> /msg is an IRC command
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2289 [19:00:22] <petn-randall> inquisitiv3: Literally type
"/msg dpkg nmg" into your IRC client, and it'll open
a channel to the bot and ask it for a factoid.
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2292 [19:00:53] <inquisitiv3> petn-randall: Aha, thanks! I
didn't see that a new channel had opened when I typed it :)
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2295 [19:01:46] <zek8000> I'm on debian 8.9 using mailx
(mailutils?) to try and send e-mail from a gsuit domain to
smtp-relay.gmail.com. I'm able to telnet and successfully send
an email, but mailx fails when using the args '-s "some
subject" some@recipient.tld', mail.log shows a 550-5.7.1
invalid credenital error for relay in reply to MAIL FROM command,
what should I do here? My telnet MAIL FROM works fine in telnet, but
this
2296 [19:01:52] <zek8000> doesn't look like a syntax error
with mailx. What gives?
2297 [19:01:56] <petn-randall> inquisitiv3: No problem, we all
started somehow :)
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2300 [19:02:35] <petn-randall> zek8000: However you set it up,
it's using the wrong credentials.
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2305 [19:02:51] <petn-randall> zek8000: If you want us to help you
with that, you have to share your exact setup, though.
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2307 [19:04:20] <zek8000> petn-randall: Well the relay is
configured to auth via IP, not any other credentials, and I'm
submitting from a valid/defined subnet in the relay config. There
are no issues when sending mail via telnet.
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2311 [19:04:57] <zek8000> mailx is sending different commands than
I am via telnet, so maybe I should look for a debug option or use a
different cli client
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2315 [19:06:09] <petn-randall> zek8000: I think it goes through
your MTA, so first thing I'd check it /var/log/mail.log.
2316 [19:06:11] <greycat> mailx doesn't send commands to a
remote mail server. It runs /usr/sbin/sendmail to put the mail in a
local queue, and then your MTA (exim, postfix, etc.) takes over.
2317 [19:06:29] <petn-randall> *is
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2344 [19:19:33] <zek8000> Well I blame postfix then
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2349 [19:21:54] <`Kevin> zek8000: tcpdump it if unencrypted and
see what it is sending
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2351 [19:22:19] <zek8000> ye
2352 [19:22:20] <greycat> and make sure it's sending to the
correct remote server
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2354 [19:22:43] <zek8000> the relayhost is defined in main.cfg as
relay-smtp.gmail.com for postfix
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2362 [19:25:24] <zek8000> oh i see what's up, the relayhost =
smtp-relay.gmail.com:587 while i'm telnetting to port 25
2363 [19:25:30] <zek8000> i need to setup starttls or something
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2384 [19:33:17] <indiazulu> Hi. I'm running into some issues
fetching debian packages from a repository behind a proxy, E: GPG
error:
replaced-url
2385 [19:34:05] <indiazulu> but apt-get update seems not happy and
ended up circling on the same google results...
2386 [19:34:31] <indiazulu> some idea of something to try or that
could help to debug?
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2460 [20:13:10] <laurus> Is OCaml 4.0.6 planned to be included in
Debian Unstable?
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2463 [20:13:21] <retrosenator> how do I run a script at startup
before rc.local?
2464 [20:13:58] <greycat> Why does it have to be before rc.local?
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2467 [20:14:30] <retrosenator> because rc.local is late
2468 [20:14:33] <retrosenator> it's the last thing to run
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2470 [20:14:37] <retrosenator> I want the first thing to run
2471 [20:14:44] <retrosenator> before any other services are
started
2472 [20:14:59] <greycat> Then have fun reading the systemd
documentation.
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2475 [20:15:45] <greycat> systemd.unit(5) => Before, After
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2482 [20:19:44] <retrosenator> I can set before to what to make it
first?
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2484 [20:20:24] <greycat> Your goals are unclear.
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2491 [20:23:43] <retrosenator> I want to execute a program first
before any other services
2492 [20:24:11] <greycat> It probably won't be able to DO
anything.
2493 [20:24:21] <dutchfish> retrosenator, you cant do that on a
multi-user.target
2494 [20:25:05] <greycat> What is it supposed to do, delay boot?
It won't be able to do any input or output, because
there're no file systems, not even a usable console to write
to...?
2495 [20:25:08] <dutchfish> retrosenator, on single-user.target
delve into systemd-rc-local-generator
2496 [20:25:20] <greycat> So, again, what is the goal?
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2499 [20:25:53] <retrosenator> all it does it display a splash
screen on a spi lcd
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2501 [20:26:24] <dutchfish> retrosenator, that should come AFTER
rc.local init
2502 [20:26:41] <retrosenator> well this is already 30 seconds
after power on
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2504 [20:26:55] <retrosenator> and by then the program that draws
to the lcd already started
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2506 [20:27:07] <greycat> You write your service to run as soon as
it *CAN* run, which means you figure out what brings up the device
nodes that let you talk to this LCD thing, and then you arrange it
to run immediately after those device nodes are created and
writable.
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2509 [20:27:28] <retrosenator> greycat: this makes sense ok, I
just need spidev
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2514 [20:30:31] <retrosenator> I think they are created by the
kernel but I could be wrong, they are specified from a hardware
overlay
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2518 [20:32:09] <greycat> *shrug* then just give it
WantedBy=multi-user.target without any After= and see how it goes?
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2521 [20:34:17] <dutchfish> retrosenator, take a look at `sudo
systemctl edit --full rc-local
2522 [20:34:50] <dutchfish> retrosenator, that one is pulled into
multi-user.target automatically.
2523 [20:36:14] <greycat> the rc-local service has
"After=network-online.target" which is what delays it, I
believe
2524 [20:36:40] <dutchfish> greycat, depends on the hardware
2525 [20:37:03] <retrosenator> it's After=network.target
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2527 [20:37:15] <retrosenator> at least on this orangepi zero
2528 [20:37:17] <greycat> wooledg:~$ grep After
/lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d/debian.conf
2529 [20:37:17] <greycat> After=network-online.target
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2531 [20:37:31] <greycat> ... so you're not using Debian.
2532 [20:37:33] <greycat> *plonk*
2533 [20:37:38] <dutchfish> retrosenator, oops, orange pi is not
Debian?
2534 [20:37:57] <retrosenator> they told me it was "outside
the scope of the channel" in #ubuntu
2535 [20:38:00] <dutchfish> retrosenator, all i said was only for
Debian systems
2536 [20:38:05] <retrosenator> and honestly you guys have been
helping me
2537 [20:38:09] <retrosenator> and I think it applies here
2538 [20:38:32] <retrosenator> sorry if I'm confused
2539 [20:38:46] <dutchfish> retrosenator, well, on Pi/Orange Pi,
orders are very much different for a good reason. I am not going
into that in here.
2540 [20:39:19] <jelly> orange pi zero is a piece of hardware
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2542 [20:40:29] <pmart> is there a patched version of chromium
with video hardware decoding enabled for debian? there is an ubuntu
ppa but i don't want to frankendebian my system :)
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2545 [20:41:09] <dutchfish> pmart, there is a soft switch in the
config to enforce hw decoding in chromium
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2548 [20:41:45] <pmart> dutchfish: you mean "override hw
blacklist"?
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2550 [20:42:16] <pmart> that one doesn't enable acceleration
for video
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2554 [20:42:51] <dutchfish> pmart, for a peak chrome://gpu/ (in
the url)
2555 [20:43:01] <pmart> chrome://gpu lies
2556 [20:43:11] <dutchfish> pmart, ah, ok
2557 [20:43:14] <pmart> chrome://media-internals says the truth
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2559 [20:43:26] <jelly> pmart: what about google's own build?
2560 [20:43:39] <jelly> (that is, chrome)
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2562 [20:44:07] <pmart> well, it's not like they disabled it
for chromium
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2566 [20:44:40] <pmart>
replaced-url
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2570 [20:45:14] <pmart> they just haven't accepted it and
it's stalled
2571 [20:45:20] <ubentobox_w> hey there, can anyone help me
located a log that would be relevant to this error? "OS-OTHER
Bash CGI environment variable injection attempt". Attempting to
isolate what is targeting this machine with the CGI attempts but not
finding anything
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2575 [20:46:01] <jelly> ubentobox_w: which tool generates this
message?
2576 [20:46:11] <dutchfish> pmart, 67.0.3396.xx contains grave
bugs, expect a patch soon
2577 [20:46:26] <ubentobox_w> I've reviewed syslog, messages,
auth, and a few others, but nothing around this
2578 [20:46:28] <ubentobox_w> Firepower
2579 [20:46:58] <greycat> ubentobox_w: I would expect it's
doing an apache/nginx log analysis
2580 [20:47:48] <jelly> ubentobox_w: "CGI" suggests
it's something related to a web server
2581 [20:48:14] <ubentobox_w> Well I checked both nginx and
apache2 on the host, neither had access, error, or other logs
altered at the time or within even a few hours. And the nod towards
bash caught my attention because back in 2014 there was a remote
exec vulnerability by which you could grab sysvars arbitrarily
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2583 [20:48:41] <greycat> injection to me implies it's trying
for Shellshock
2584 [20:48:49] <ubentobox_w> and CGI + bash is query capable over
SSH/SCP and other connections, not just port 80/443/relevant web
apps
2585 [20:48:53] <codekK> Its possible to rename usb gamepad
device? I have two controllers that they are the same and i want to
rename one
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2587 [20:49:03] <jelly> ubentobox_w: what does this
"firepower" do precisely?
2588 [20:49:30] <karlpinc> ubentobox_w: It's _possible_ to
have a cgi script written in bash....
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2592 [20:49:56] <ubentobox_w> Cisco Firepower is a network traffic
analysis and blocking tool. I'm not the only one, about the
same time something started hitting a few machines with this and
also Apache struts attempts. Someone in network seemingly invited
some malware inside and its attempting to scan
2593 [20:50:02] <greycat> karlpinc: or a shitty php that calls
system() which calls /bin/sh which may be a symlink to bash...
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2595 [20:50:44] <greycat> ubentobox_w: so what do you expect
#debian to say to you?
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2597 [20:51:23] <pmart> dutchfish: is this bug related to hw
decoding?
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2599 [20:51:46] <ubentobox_w> this particular host is a kali
debian distro and I had apache2 running for OpenVAS. greycat I was
wondering where non-history bash logs would be stored besides
messages, syslog, and auth
2600 [20:51:52] <greycat> *plonk*
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2602 [20:52:27] <greycat> It'll be so much quieter once all
the Ubuntu and Kali and Raspbian people are on /ignore.
2603 [20:52:34] <ubentobox_w> just trying to make sure I've
checked all logs relevant to the issue and that I am not missing
something.
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2605 [20:52:40] <greycat> oh, and...
2606 [20:52:42] <greycat> !kali
2607 [20:52:42] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2608 [20:52:43] <ubentobox_w> Yeah. cause thats helpful. It is
Debian.
2609 [20:52:53] <annadane> !tell ubentobox_w about based on debian
2610 [20:53:24] <jelly> ubentobox_w: if it's a blocking tool,
perhaps it blocked
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2614 [20:55:06] <jelly> but if you're running a derivative
distro it's hard to know what's changed and what's
unchanged compared to debian; so this channel's simple way out
is not to support any derivative
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2619 [20:56:42] <ubentobox_w> No I understand, but I was speaking
more to bash and its logging locations other than .bash_history.
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2622 [20:57:37] <hdt551> I have made a bootable usb drive with a
custom stretch install (no gui).
2623 [20:57:55] <hdt551> I want to configure the network to always
start with dhcp.
2624 [20:58:35] <jelly> hdt551: what does your preseed.cfg look
like if you have any?
2625 [20:59:33] <hdt551> jelly: I must not have one. Or I
didn't see one in the build (using linux-live.org)
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2627 [20:59:58] <jelly> I'd ask in
2628 [21:00:12] <jelly> !live
2629 [21:00:13] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from
replaced-url
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2632 [21:01:05] <jelly> sorry, I thought it was an installer
image, not live, preseed might not apply
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2634 [21:02:01] <hdt551> It is a standard install I made -
converted to usb with kit from linux-live.org
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2636 [21:02:44] <hdt551> it seems like I can do this using an
entry in /lib/systemd/network like 10-dhcp.network
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2638 [21:03:13] <hdt551> it works if I do [Match] Name=* [Network]
DHCP=yes
2639 [21:03:35] <hdt551> but if there are 5 interfaces it will
match all of them.
2640 [21:04:03] <hdt551> I was hoping there was a way to do
something like [MatchOne]
2641 [21:04:33] <hdt551> But I don't see a way to do that
looking at the man page.
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2702 [21:44:17] <simbalion> Does the current stable kernel have
S0i3 standby support?
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2715 [21:53:27] <karlpinc> simbalion: What's the config
parameter? (Looking in my kernel config...)
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2718 [21:53:51] <simbalion> karlpinc: I have no idea >.< I
am just quoting someone else who said that feature is required for
the new Thinkpad X1 Carbon 6th gens
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2720 [21:54:11] <simbalion> I know it's in 4.14 which looks
like it's available through backports so there is that
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2739 [22:01:58] <skizzy> Anyone know something about writing linux
applications that interface with Wine applications? I want to inject
code into the application and read from it's memory
2740 [22:02:06] <skizzy> Do I have to use win32?
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2748 [22:06:23] <jelly> skizzy: you can gdb a wine process as
easily as any other process I guess, ask in #winehq
2749 [22:06:37] <uniqdom> skizzy: "I want to inject code into
the application and read from it's memory", like an
exploit?
2750 [22:06:52] <skizzy> jelly, ok just wonderinf if i'm in
the right direction. I'll just learn gdb for now
2751 [22:07:13] <jelly> wine itself has a debugger of its own
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2753 [22:07:54] <skizzy> uniqdom, in a way. just reverese
engineering games for curiosity. I guess once i find where things
are via gdb I'll need to craft programs to work with the found
data. Not a lot of info that i've found so far
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2755 [22:08:44] <skizzy> jelly, thanks, i saw that. I'll
check it out too. So it looks like I can make linux programs that
will access that application in Wine. or cross compile windows code
to do it, not sure
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2762 [22:11:18] <skizzy> I'm finding a lot of resources but
most are aimed at windows programmers. Glad I found that i can cross
compile to create windows programs on my linux machine
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2775 [22:16:47] <tyrsen> are there any plans for debian to support
secureboot?
2776 [22:16:52] <tyrsen> i mean, in the near future
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2793 [22:23:48] <BierDopje> tyrsen: as far as I'm aware, they
have pushed it past Stretch
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2796 [22:24:09] <tyrsen> sorry, i'm not familiar. what's
that mean in timeline terms?
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2799 [22:24:52] <greycat> Since stretch is already the past, I
can't think it means very much now.
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2802 [22:26:21] <v4ult> Hi, I am running Debian Jessie and I seem
to be unable to upgrade the certbot package from v0.10.2. I know
that v0.24 is available but I can't find a way to upgrade. So
far I have upgrading via APT and pip.
2803 [22:26:32] <v4ult> Can anyone advise?
2804 [22:27:12] <bites> ,v certbot
2805 [22:27:13] <judd> Package: certbot on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 0.10.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.10.2-1;
stretch-backports: 0.23.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.24.0-2; sid: 0.24.0-2
2806 [22:27:17] <tyrsen> hmm, I see
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2808 [22:27:39] <bites> v4ult: debian doesn't package a newer
certbot for jessie.
2809 [22:27:40] <tyrsen> i'm looking at switching my laptop
from windows to linux and debian has good support for it so it
seemed like a decent choice. lack of secure boot is a little
concerning though
2810 [22:27:53] <tyrsen> or is it not something i should be
concerned about do you think?
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2812 [22:28:12] <greycat> Does the version you have *work*? If so,
why would you want to touch it?
2813 [22:28:16] <tyrsen> i mean, the laptop has very solid
bios-lockout before it gets to booting, but obviously secure boot
isn't just for physical security
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2815 [22:28:25] <BierDopje> Personally, i'm not concerned
with the lack of secure boot, then again, i'm still on Jessie
2816 [22:28:56] <v4ult> bites, thank you
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2819 [22:29:53] <bites> the dependency on microsoft doesn't
make secure boot very attractive.
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2823 [22:30:50] <tyrsen> okay, I see
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2857 [22:49:48] <lauterias> guys, i don't store my passwords
in clear on the server, i encrypt them with gpg. the problem is,
everytime one of my server restarts, i have to log in and do
"gpg -d mypasswords.gpg" so the key passphrase gets cached
by the agent. is my method common or do you guys do it with a
different (better) way?
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2862 [22:52:42] <ubentobox_w> lauterias, generally speaking no one
should be storing passwords in the clear.. as far as the gpg, that
is a step further than the majority, though I use keepassx
2863 [22:53:29] <ubentobox_w> there are cases though in the wild
where people use passwords as a form of identification (have seen,
disagree with practice)
2864 [22:53:56] <lauterias> are you using keepassx server side?
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2866 [22:54:18] <ubentobox_w> not on publicly reachable servers
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2868 [22:55:41] <ubentobox_w> also in previous setups FreeIPA (a
CentOS based domain environment) allowed kerberos authentication so
windows users from internal could login and work on production
servers, leaving passwords to be ticket communicated instead of
literally typed into the machine
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2870 [22:56:03] <ubentobox_w> also in my previous environments* I
used FreeIPA
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2872 [22:57:06] <ubentobox_w> So LDAP server (Windows, linux, or
opendirectory) holds the credentials, you initiate a kerberos ticket
from the server in question and it validates a ticket session with
the LDAP server
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2876 [22:59:10] <ubentobox_w> I wouldn't go that route unless
you're managing several servers and wish to have a unified
login within the network. You CAN use google authenticator or Okta
to 2FA your logins as well for linux hosts
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2913 [23:21:08] <lauterias> ubentobox_w: thanks for your tips
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2915 [23:22:26] <ubentobox_w> np lauterias
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2924 [23:31:15] <jolt> lauterias: There are also some newer tech
for auth, like hashicorp vault and others that creates login tokens
on the fly with certs in ssh, depends on the usecase really. Not
easy to setup either, but I think it might be a little bit more
straightforward than LDAP and kerb
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2928 [23:32:51] <tyrsen> anyone have experience with running a
second display off thunderbolt connection? is it easy to set up for
hotplug in/off?
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2932 [23:33:47] <jolt> I haven't done it with TB, but it was
just an event that triggered xrandr for me, and I assume TB would be
the same
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2934 [23:34:07] <blz> Hello, I "lost" a RAID10 disk due
to an unexpected power outage. Upon rebooting, I see that the disk
appears as /dev/sdf and passes all SMART tests. Nevertheless, it
isn't currently part of /dev/md1. How can I re-add it to md1?
2935 [23:34:16] <tyrsen> my laptop is listed as having a very good
level of compatibility
2936 [23:34:26] <tyrsen> so next month once i'm off work for
a few weeks i'm thinking of swapping over from windows
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2938 [23:34:49] <simbalion> anyone have experience using a mac
keyboard on a pc running debian (or other linux)?
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2944 [23:37:43] <tyrsen> that was not the right butten
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2947 [23:40:27] <jolt> blz: I think that should be handled by
mdadm, maybe try
replaced-url
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2949 [23:41:00] <jolt> blz: But plz make sure you have backups
before middling with it
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2955 [23:43:24] <annadane> mounting for example an external hard
drive would be mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt, not mount /dev/sdb /mnt, right?
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2962 [23:44:46] <tijeretas__> annadane: sdb1 is the first
partition of disk sdb. sometimes though, if you only have 1
partition, it could have been created as only sdb (which happened to
me on a thumb drive once, but I wouldn't recommend that)
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2965 [23:45:54] <annadane> i gather mounts need to be done in the
form of sdb1 though, not sdb
2966 [23:46:02] <jolt> you can use cfdisk -l /dev/sdb to see which
partitions are available (if any)
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2968 [23:47:09] <tijeretas__> annadane: typically, yes, but it
could be that the entire disk is 1 partition and then has no
numbered partitions. do what jolt suggested and find out.
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2970 [23:47:54] <bites> you mount filesystems. filesystems are
usually in partitions but don't have to be. you can create a
filesystem on /dev/sdb and mount it with mount /dev/sdb /mnt
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