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• 3[00:00:35] <armin> ealfonso`: i guess we just got old
• 4[00:00:44] <Brigo> Clien0, anyway you need install the right package, i think it is libreadline6
• 5[00:01:00] <Clien0> Brigo, how ?
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• 7[00:01:37] <Brigo> Clien0, i don't know i have never used parrot.
• 8[00:02:12] <Brigo> Clien0, providing it is based in debian maybe apt-get install libreadline6 could work.
• 9[00:02:28] <Clien0> replaced-url
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• 18[00:04:50] <Clien0> Brigo, any suggestion ?
• 19[00:05:04] <Brigo> Clien0, sorry, i don't know how to solve thatin parrot, try in #parrot as dpkg told.
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• 21[00:05:18] <Clien0> its same debian
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• 25[00:05:54] <Brigo> Clien0, you don't get that error in debian.
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• 27[00:07:17] <ealfonso`> armin so it makes sense to change any scripts that use ipconfig to use ip?
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• 31[00:08:24] <Brigo> Clien0, maybe running apt-get update first
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• 41[00:12:50] <ealfonso`> replaced-url
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• 82[00:44:12] <majestic_> what irc client do you guys use for debian?
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• 86[00:45:06] <majestic_> I installed "irssi" but it looks crap when I run it in the terminal, isnt there a non-terminal version or something, im on gui
• 87[00:45:08] <annadane> hexchat.
• 88[00:45:15] <annadane> yeah, hexchat is gui
• 89[00:45:26] <annadane> oh you mean for irssi?
• 90[00:45:28] <annadane> not sure
• 91[00:45:41] <majestic_> yeah, but hexchat will do, probably way better than this
• 92[00:45:44] <annadane> i'm pretty sure irssi is cli only but i'd have to check
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• 95[00:46:50] <annadane> it's not bad to keep irssi around in case x crashes or something (especially on testing/sid) and you need to get irc help
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• 97[00:46:52] <majestic_> doesnt debian support gestures like windows do for touchpads? That would be sweet
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• 103[00:47:59] <x54806b45> hello colleagues, i'm a little confused by some stuff going on in /usr/include/openssl/lhash.h
• 104[00:48:15] <x54806b45> i find that its missing some of the headers that are there in other distros
• 105[00:48:30] <x54806b45> specifically all of the LHM macros
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• 108[00:49:28] <x54806b45> in a gentoo install i have, the lhash.h has a lot more content, in line with the man pages provided
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• 115[00:52:46] <x54806b45> a lot of typedefs and other stuff are missing
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• 147[01:16:37] <petn-randall> x54806b45: Are the openssl versions in Gentoo and Debian the same?
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• 217[02:20:29] <maeestro> Im launching a program but when I am trying to save a function in the same folder I get "Permission denied", I have root access
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• 220[02:20:51] <maeestro> the program is specifically matlab
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• 224[02:21:12] <RoyK> running matlab as root?
• 225[02:21:25] <maeestro> No, I am not
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• 227[02:22:10] <RoyK> even if you have sudo access, matlab won't use that for storing stuff
• 228[02:22:37] <RoyK> just fix the permissions
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• 230[02:22:49] <maeestro> how do I fix them?
• 231[02:23:02] <RoyK> chmod/chown are your friends
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• 233[02:23:46] <RoyK> !permissions
• 234[02:23:46] <dpkg> For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», replaced-url
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• 238[02:25:05] <maeestro> Thats material for like 3 hours of constant reading only for being able to change permissions on a folder
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• 241[02:26:24] <RoyK> three hours? nah - 10 mnutes peraps. and you want to learn this
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• 243[02:27:34] <teatime> maeestro: view owner/group with `ls -l`, you probably created the folder as root so `chown -R youruser: somedir/` the colon makes it chgrp to your group as well
• 244[02:28:14] <teatime> `chmod -R u=rwX,go=rX somedir/` and similar incantations
• 245[02:28:22] <teatime> `chmod -h`, `chown -h`
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• 250[02:29:26] <zerocool> `user:` will use your default group not the group with the same name as the user
• 251[02:29:38] <zerocool> defaul/primary group
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• 254[02:33:13] <maeestro> so why wouldnt "chmod 6 nameOfFolder" work? 6 according to the wiki page says "read and write"
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• 257[02:34:29] <dondelelcaro> maeestro: 6 is an octal mode, which is equivalent to 0006, which probably isn't what you want
• 258[02:35:22] <dondelelcaro> and you really don't want to use chmod -R.
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• 260[02:35:55] <teatime> dondelelcaro: I think you'll find that sort of -R command, w/ the capital X's, quite handy
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• 263[02:36:28] <dondelelcaro> ah; the X is new
• 264[02:36:38] <maeestro> is there any documentation which explains usability without assuming you already know everything about the syntax already
• 265[02:36:44] <teatime> not new, just GNU :)
• 266[02:36:50] <annadane> leave
• 267[02:37:02] <dondelelcaro> teatime: it's newer than 2010, I think.
• 268[02:37:19] <teatime> doubt it, just obscure. but useful.
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• 270[02:38:17] <zerocool> maeestro: the manual?
• 271[02:38:24] <dondelelcaro> maeestro: yes; info coreutils 'File permissions';
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• 273[02:39:50] <dondelelcaro> hrm; it's at least as old as 2002; must have missed it in the manpage
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• 276[02:41:54] <dondelelcaro> heh; even the 1994 version of the documentation documents it
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• 278[02:44:47] <maeestro> when using "chown -R myuser dir/subdir/" does it apply to all files and folder within that directory?
• 279[02:45:18] <teatime> yes, check out the -R section in the manpage or whatever
• 280[02:46:18] <maeestro> sweet
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• 283[02:48:04] <zerocool> obviosuly be careful when making changes to lots of things.
• 284[02:48:12] <zerocool> obviously*
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• 287[02:48:44] <maeestro> I dont know what I need, I just set the permission on the whole folder and now it works
• 288[02:48:53] <zerocool> this is why these fools are bickering about the -R switch.
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• 291[02:49:39] <zerocool> maeestro: was an application not running right?
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• 293[02:50:39] <maeestro> zerocool: When I saved a function with a program I couldnt save it to the correct folder since I didnt have permission apparently
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• 305[02:53:37] <teatime> maeestro: ultimately, a side-effect of operating as root unnecessarily. you would probably benefit from some intro to unix / intro to linux material, maybe also the Debian Administrator's Handbook
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• 307[02:54:46] <maeestro> I will learn from my mistakes
• 308[02:56:35] <annadane> be aware the handbook is outdated
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• 311[02:57:04] <idint> suddenly i have apt-get giving these errors: replaced-url
• 312[02:57:12] <idint> what could it be?
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• 314[02:57:46] <idint> it's debian 9 upgraded to latest running in a KVM VM
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• 316[02:57:58] <idint> no errors on dmesg or hard disk failures
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• 318[02:58:34] <teatime> is your /tmp full or broken, wrong permissions, etc. ?
• 319[02:59:26] <idint> i can write and read it, create files in it
• 320[02:59:27] <teatime> ls -ld /tmp; df -h /tmp; free -m
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• 322[03:00:00] <idint> replaced-url
• 323[03:00:32] <idint> i guess it's okay?
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• 326[03:01:07] <teatime> /tmp would typically be 1777 i.e. world-writable, yours is 1700
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• 336[03:05:07] <mutante> congrats to being available in the Microsoft Store guys
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• 338[03:05:16] <mutante> replaced-url
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• 341[03:05:39] <annadane> i assure you we're thrilled.
• 342[03:06:48] <idint> :(
• 343[03:06:52] <bazhang> great topic for #debian-offtopic mutante
• 344[03:06:55] <dvs> ???
• 345[03:07:08] <dvs> blasphemy!
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• 350[03:12:49] <mutante> annadane: bazhang: hehe, i wanted to see the reaction :) got it! i think just one comment, i was wondering if there might be a little of an "eternal September effect" now, an influx of Windows/Debian users asking for support here, heh
• 351[03:13:26] <annadane> we *already* have that problem. but i digress
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• 355[03:15:29] <zerocool> =_=
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• 357[03:16:39] <zerocool> microsoft may be shooting themselves in the foot, only time will tell... but i digress
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• 364[03:21:24] <bazhang2> why that bazhang guy has to be a dick everytime someone says something useful? why don't y ou part #debian and go to #debian-offtopic yourself, bazhang? it would be better instead of doing that shit you do
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• 368[03:22:38] <at0m> are we still family-friendly here?
• 369[03:22:54] <mutante> whatever family values, what does that even mean in this day and age :p
• 370[03:23:16] <mutante> oh.. that.. i see what you mean now
• 371[03:23:28] <zerocool> its about to get triple eggs rated up in here
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• 374[03:25:24] <mutante> i'm glad that the offensive fonts for cowsay are going to get separated :pp /me hides
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• 430[04:08:25] <Aaron> hey I have a question My external Hard drive was auto mounting now I see it But I Cannot open it to view stuff
• 431[04:08:27] <Aaron> any ideas?
• 432[04:09:10] <tw3k> get any errors in syslog or dmesg?
• 433[04:09:36] <Aaron> sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] 7814037167 512-byte logical blocks: (4.00 TB/3.64 TiB)
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• 443[04:16:53] <Aaron> tw3k, any ideas?
• 444[04:17:51] <tw3k> not really Aaron, I'm more hands on. Does mount look good?
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• 471[04:33:35] <vhecoen> anyone can help me solve this problem
• 472[04:33:38] <vhecoen> proot error: '/ bin / sh' not found (root = /data/data/com.termux/files/home/deboot_debian/tmp, cwd = /data/data/com.termux/files/home/deboot_debian/tmp, $ PATH = (null))yy
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• 474[04:34:08] <Lo_Pan> stat /bin/sh
• 475[04:34:28] <Lo_Pan> or maybe you have spaces in your script
• 476[04:34:38] <Lo_Pan> so /bin/sh became / bin / sh
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• 478[04:34:46] <vhecoen> wait i'll give it a try
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• 541[05:19:39] <Lyberta> how to fully install grub to EFI system partition so all files needed will be there?
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• 548[05:24:28] <dvs> Lyberta, If you use the UEFI installer, it should copy all the files for you.
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• 558[05:25:32] <Lyberta> dvs, I still have most of the GRUB in /boot and not in /boot/efi, but looks like I've found an answer in ArchWiki
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• 632[06:09:29] <jshakes213> Hello all
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• 637[06:10:51] <jshakes213> I was having trouble installing debian from a USB stick and wanted to know if you guys could help
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• 640[06:11:36] <jshakes213> Basically, Debian booted, but then did not recognize my USB device as a CDROM containing packages, and continued to ask me to put in CD
• 641[06:11:40] <jshakes213> to install from
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• 647[06:14:21] <teatime> I've seen people have that a couple times. You can switch to a shell and manually mount the right partition off your USB stick on the right mount point... /media/cdrom I think? not 100% sure on that, maybe just /cdrom ? and once you do when it searches it will find it
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• 655[06:17:24] <jshakes213> thank you, I will try that and let you know
• 656[06:17:34] <jshakes213> should I mount the whole usb, or just the .iso
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• 658[06:18:06] <teatime> how did you write the .iso image to the usb drive?
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• 662[06:19:15] <teatime> it is /cdrom btw
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• 667[06:19:47] <teatime> you should be able to do `lsblk` or if that's not on there `ls /dev/sd? /dev/sd??` to try to find the proper device and partition
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• 669[06:20:16] <teatime> it will be one of /dev/sd?1 which is to say /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdc1 etc.
• 670[06:20:23] <teatime> and then you can mount with
• 671[06:20:40] <teatime> mount -t vfat -o ro,exec /dev/sde1 /cdrom
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• 674[06:20:52] <teatime> or if that gives you trouble, just: mount /dev/sde1 /cdrom
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• 677[06:21:03] <teatime> ^^ swap in your device for /dev/sde1 above
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• 679[06:21:27] <Lyberta> I've installed grub to efi system partition using this: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=grub --boot-directory=/boot/efi --debug
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• 681[06:21:45] <Lyberta> will this config be updated automatically with kernel updates?
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• 687[06:24:51] <teatime> Lyberta: well, does it still mae use of /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? I think that is what update-grub will fix up, on kernel updates
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• 689[06:25:03] <teatime> don't know much about (u)efi yet
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• 691[06:25:05] <D4R3KIN6> hey
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• 693[06:25:18] <Lyberta> teatime, right, I also did: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/grub/grub.cfg
• 694[06:25:21] <D4R3KIN6> anyone on here?
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• 696[06:25:45] <D4R3KIN6> i'm new here
• 697[06:25:53] <Lyberta> D4R3KIN6, hi
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• 699[06:26:08] <D4R3KIN6> oh hey @Lyberta
• 700[06:26:23] <D4R3KIN6> what's this hex chat all about?
• 701[06:26:27] <teatime> maybe /boot/grub/grub.cfg could be a symlink to that ?? heh. I should not try to advise you.
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• 703[06:26:55] <teatime> D4R3KIN6: This particular channel is intended for Debian stable user support; there's a #debian-offtopic channel for social chat :)
• 704[06:26:59] <Lyberta> teatime, hmm gotta look inside deb packages for postinst scripts I guess
• 705[06:27:29] <D4R3KIN6> oh. thank you. @teatime . I'll be noticing it.
• 706[06:27:30] <teatime> just runs update-grub, update-initramfs, update-dkms, in whatever order, seems like :)
• 707[06:28:00] <Lyberta> teatime, I'm slowly migrating to encrypted root so there will be no /boot when in grub
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• 709[06:28:22] <teatime> word, I understand. I use full-encrypted except still have /boot.
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• 711[06:28:45] <teatime> but you end up putting the kernel and initramfs in efi/nvram too though?
• 712[06:28:57] <teatime> or I guess grub itself is smart enough to ask for LUKS passphrases these days?
• 713[06:29:24] <Lyberta> teatime, grub can but I'm not sure how well does it integrate with automatic stuff
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• 716[06:31:35] <Lyberta> teatime, here's what I have in /boot/efi/grub/custom.cfg: replaced-url
• 717[06:31:47] <Lyberta> it's 2nd installation
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• 719[06:32:19] <teatime> I see
• 720[06:32:55] <teatime> and it works fine, right? you just want it to be proper and automated now
• 721[06:33:23] <Lyberta> teatime, well it will break when new kernel arrives
• 722[06:33:57] <teatime> sure
• 723[06:34:16] <teatime> I just mean, it boots fine? does it as you passphrase more than once?
• 724[06:34:48] <Lyberta> teatime, 2 times :\
• 725[06:34:53] <teatime> you are familiar w/ /etc/default/grub right?
• 726[06:35:11] <Lyberta> I've looked at it
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• 732[06:37:20] <Lyberta> [ -e in bash check for existence of file?
• 733[06:37:54] <Lyberta> right
• 734[06:38:07] <teatime> yeah
• 735[06:38:18] <teatime> so some good hints here prob., w/ respect to /etc/default/grub
• 736[06:38:20] <teatime> replaced-url
• 737[06:38:41] <Lyberta> so I can change /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub and it will regenerate config correctly
• 738[06:38:47] <teatime> nice
• 739[06:38:49] <teatime> excellent
• 740[06:39:38] <Lyberta> hmm
• 741[06:40:00] <teatime> do you blog? :)
• 742[06:40:28] * teatime needs a dd if=/dev/brain dump after you figure out all the bumps for this config
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• 744[06:40:47] <Lyberta> in a sense I have 2 root partitions so I can't really mess with /etc/default/grub on more than 1 of them, otherwise they could probably start rewriting each other
• 745[06:41:18] <Lyberta> or...
• 746[06:41:20] <Lyberta> hm
• 747[06:41:33] <Lyberta> I guess I can blog about this
• 748[06:41:44] <teatime> you can certainly skip-over that level of abstraction if it makes more sense for you
• 749[06:42:09] <teatime> I assume, anyway.
• 750[06:42:37] <Lyberta> well, guys at #grub suggested the configfile directive so it would chain grub configs
• 751[06:42:46] <teatime> yeah
• 752[06:42:54] <teatime> damn I meant to mention that earlier lol
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• 754[06:43:03] <Lyberta> I haven't tried it
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• 756[06:44:10] <Lyberta> or maybe if I just dump config of the 2nd installation somewhere to ESP
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• 760[06:47:16] <alkisg> Lyberta: if you have 2 debian installations, then only install grub to the mbr or to uefi on one of them; and use /etc/grub.d/40-custom to provide a "configfile" directive that chains from one to the other
• 761[06:47:39] <alkisg> Otherwise, you'd need to run update-grub in one, and then go to the other, and run update-grub again to pick up the changes of the first one, etc... tiresome
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• 764[06:50:51] <Lyberta> alkisg, right now I didn't do anything at all with grub in the 2nd install
• 765[06:51:13] <alkisg> Lyberta: do you have grub installed in the second install?
• 766[06:51:24] <Lyberta> alkisg, via apt, yes
• 767[06:51:35] <alkisg> Then it automatically generated a config and all
• 768[06:51:59] <Lyberta> not really, I only see unicode.pf2 in /boot/grub
• 769[06:52:15] <alkisg> What apt command did you run?
• 770[06:52:39] <Lyberta> apt install grub-efi-amd64
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• 772[06:53:10] <Lyberta> I think update-grub complained about canonical path to block device, I was in chroot
• 773[06:53:28] <alkisg> Ah sure if you were in chroot without /sys mounted, it couldn't find any devices
• 774[06:53:44] <Lyberta> probably yes
• 775[06:53:56] <alkisg> You're supposed to bind-mount a few dirs when installing grub via a chroot
• 776[06:54:19] <alkisg> Do you want help to fix that now?
• 777[06:54:45] <Lyberta> alkisg, I don't want grub to mess my ESP
• 778[06:55:07] <alkisg> It only puts a couple of files there; while all the modules and configuration stays in /boot
• 779[06:56:06] <Lyberta> alkisg, and I also don't want 2 grubs, but if there is no other way...
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• 781[06:56:36] <alkisg> The best way is to have the second grub normally installed, but configured not to put anything in efi
• 782[06:57:29] <Lyberta> hmm, what other packages mess around with grub except grub itself and linux kernel?
• 783[06:57:52] <alkisg> What do you mean? E.g. any package can drop a snippet in /etc/grub.d...
• 784[06:58:23] <alkisg> For example, grub puts a hook on kernel postinst to automatically run update-grub, but the kernel doesn't have anything to do with that, it just provides a hook
• 785[06:58:31] <alkisg> ...in other words, only grub messes around with grub
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• 787[06:59:25] <Lyberta> ah, I see
• 788[06:59:45] <Lyberta> hmm so
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• 790[06:59:58] <Lyberta> gonna mount chroot I guess
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• 795[07:02:16] <Lyberta> alkisg, so how do I mount /sys?
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• 797[07:02:57] <alkisg> cd /mnt; for d in proc sys dev dev/pts; do mount --bind /$d $d; done; chroot . dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64
• 798[07:03:11] <alkisg> ...and unmount all those
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• 801[07:03:40] <Lyberta> so I need to exit chroot first?
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• 803[07:04:00] <alkisg> That chroot command updates grub and exits in one step
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• 805[07:04:46] <alkisg> You might need to bind-mount efi too... or not if you don't want grub to write there... not sure about the grub efi package details there... I'm still mostly using non-uefi installs
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• 810[07:09:32] <Lyberta> alkisg, still see nothing in /boot/grub of chroot but see /boot/grub/unicode.pf2 outside, wth...
• 811[07:09:44] <Wulf> Good Morning. Did something change recently in unstable? It looks like somehow automatic / unattended upgrades got enabled.
• 812[07:10:44] <alkisg> Lyberta: maybe you didn't use "chroot . dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64" while you were in /mnt? what's your `history`?
• 813[07:11:06] <Lyberta> oops
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• 819[07:14:23] <Lyberta> alkisg, it talked about removable media and NVRAM variables, I didn't want both so there's still only unicode.pf2 in /boot/grub in chroot
• 820[07:15:06] <alkisg> Lyberta: can you pastebin the whole output? It should have created grub.cfg even without updating nvram.
• 821[07:15:31] <Lyberta> alkisg, it used ncurses dialog
• 822[07:15:49] <alkisg> After that, it still shows output of which OSes it finds etc
• 823[07:16:01] <Lyberta> nothing at all
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• 825[07:16:07] <alkisg> Btw did you see any errors while running the mount --bind commands?
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• 827[07:16:53] <Lyberta> alkisg, replaced-url
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• 830[07:18:25] <alkisg> Lyberta: at that exact point, what happens if you run update-grub?
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• 835[07:19:04] <Lyberta> alkisg, oh now it worked
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• 837[07:19:57] <Lyberta> alkisg, yup, I see grub.cfg in chroot
• 838[07:20:09] <alkisg> exit; umount dev/pts dev proc sys;
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• 844[07:20:33] <alkisg> And finally run `update-grub` outside the chroot, to see if it can pick up grub.cfg
• 845[07:20:55] <alkisg> I haven't tested encrypted /boot, does that work? Or do you have a separate unencrypted /boot?
• 846[07:21:14] <Lyberta> alkisg, I have EFI system partition
• 847[07:21:15] <alkisg> What, grub asks you to unencrypt the volume before chaining to grub.cfg?
• 848[07:21:23] <alkisg> grub.cfg doesn't go to the efi partition
• 849[07:21:25] <Lyberta> yes
• 850[07:21:26] <alkisg> It goes to /boot
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• 852[07:21:43] <alkisg> OK then
• 853[07:21:57] <Lyberta> alkisg, I don't want grub in /boot, /boot is encrypted
• 854[07:22:17] <alkisg> But grub is hardcoded to go to /boot/grub/grub.cfg
• 855[07:22:23] <Lyberta> I mount EFI system partition to /boot/efi but that's much later
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• 857[07:22:28] <alkisg> You'd need to manually provide another grub outside it...
• 858[07:22:42] <alkisg> Anyways, I don't know about grub encryption :)
• 859[07:22:48] <Lyberta> alkisg, grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=grub --boot-directory=/boot/efi --debug
• 860[07:22:49] <Lyberta> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/grub/grub.cfg
• 861[07:23:10] <Lyberta> and no more grub in /boot
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• 863[07:23:59] <alkisg> That's outside of the grub configure scripts then, i.e. if you run dpkg-reconfigure or plain grub-install, they'll still use /boot
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• 867[07:25:28] <Lyberta> alkisg, that's why I'm going through /etc and modifying them
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• 872[07:26:39] <alkisg> Lyberta: it's hardcoded, e.g. grep boot/grub /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub*
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• 874[07:28:03] <Lyberta> alkisg, that's extremely stupid, I plan to have 2 encrypted roots, how grub is supposed to find which one to read config from without mounting them?
• 875[07:28:40] <alkisg> I think the idea was that /boot would be common between different installations
• 876[07:28:52] <alkisg> So in your case, maybe the efi partition could be mounted as /boot...
• 877[07:29:32] <alkisg> Or you can continue working as you do, while ignoring the debian's grub's postinst scripts...
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• 880[07:30:37] <Lyberta> /boot is the relic of BIOS/MBR era
• 881[07:31:03] <alkisg> /boot is necessary when the boot loader doesn't have enough code to access the system partition
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• 883[07:31:14] <alkisg> E.g. no btrfs support or no netboot support or whatever
• 884[07:31:19] <alkisg> (no encryption...)
• 885[07:31:44] <Lyberta> I think the usual 200 MiB would be enough for that
• 886[07:31:48] <alkisg> The efi partition itself has the same design as a separate /boot
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• 888[07:32:04] <alkisg> So while bios didn't require a separate /boot, now uefi actually requires it :D
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• 890[07:32:38] <Lyberta> which is good because I was tired of MBR shenanigans
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• 894[07:33:49] <alkisg> Meh, the main problem was that the boot sector, 512 bytes, couldn't hold enough information for partitions and proper boot code etc, so they upgraded the bios to be able to read a real file system instead of just loading a sector into memory and running it
• 895[07:34:22] <alkisg> Sure that's a good thought, although the actual implementation did cause quite a few issues...
• 896[07:35:03] <Lyberta> alkisg, I wonder if I can solve my issues by simple making /boot/grub unreadable by everyone
• 897[07:35:42] <alkisg> Well, instead of going through all that trouble, you could also do this:
• 898[07:35:53] <alkisg> the kernel package has an option to generate symlinks to the latest kernel
• 899[07:36:13] <alkisg> If that symlink is enough for you, you don't need grub at all in the second installation, and you can use a 40-custom grub script to point to that symlink
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• 904[07:36:35] <alkisg> I'm talking about /etc/kernel-img.conf
• 905[07:37:51] <Lyberta> alkisg, maybe, I was actually hoping not needing to install grub in chroot at all
• 906[07:38:01] <alkisg> That's what I just proposed
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• 911[07:39:05] <Lyberta> alkisg, don't see it
• 912[07:39:50] <alkisg> The problem is "how will the 1st installation know which kernel to boot from the second installation, since there are kernel upgrades, and you don't want to manually update grub.cfg on each kernel update"
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• 914[07:40:24] <alkisg> One solution to that is "tell the kernel package to generate symlinks to the latest kernel, so that then you can use a static 40-custom grub cfg in the first installation, and not have grub in the chroot at all"
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• 916[07:41:43] <Lyberta> alkisg, I see initrd.img and vmlinuz in the root directory, are they the ones?
• 917[07:41:58] <alkisg> Yes, they can be put there or under chroot/boot
• 918[07:42:07] <Lyberta> d'oh
• 919[07:42:28] <Lyberta> oh well, gonna reboot and see if chroot grub.cfg is working
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• 927[07:48:18] <Haohmaru> guys, who is controlling the numlock? i want it ON when i log into the desktop
• 928[07:48:47] <alkisg> Some desktop environments have support for remembering the state, and there's also the numlockx package...
• 929[07:49:13] <tarzeau> Haohmaru: on x86 the keyboard controller chip, on i/o port 0x60-0x64
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• 934[07:51:23] <Haohmaru> thanks, let's see..
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• 954[07:57:37] <Haohmaru> yey, it works \o/
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• 957[08:00:08] <Lyberta> alkisg, yup, no need for grub in 2nd install
• 958[08:00:57] <Lyberta> I wonder if I can put initramfs in ESP or embed key file in it so I wouldn't have to enter it 2 times
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• 963[08:03:11] <alkisg> you can set up efi as /boot
• 964[08:03:35] <teatime> Lyberta: googling, I noticed there seemed to be a common technique that was, putting a plaintext copy of the key inside the encrypted container. that gives me the heebee jeebies though.
• 965[08:04:41] <Lyberta> alkisg, but how would 2 separate initramfs's handle that? they both want to be in /boot
• 966[08:06:23] <alkisg> Lyberta: do they have the same names/versions?
• 967[08:06:31] <Lyberta> alkisg, yes
• 968[08:06:46] <Lyberta> initrd.img-4.14.0-3-amd64
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• 970[08:07:37] <alkisg> Yeah if you have the same version it's a problem
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• 972[08:08:02] <Lyberta> I guess I might just give up on grub completely and use raw UEFI with some extremely minimalistic bootloader
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• 974[08:08:20] <Lyberta> I think systemd has bootloader or smth
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• 980[08:10:50] <Lyberta> anyway, gonna reboot back to 1st install
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• 989[08:15:27] <Lyberta> hah! new version of grub just arrived into testing, what a timing, let's see how much damage will it do
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• 1015[08:31:36] <Lyberta> ok so the only problem with grub on esp is that it doesn't update itself automatically, oh well
• 1016[08:32:18] <Lyberta> should probably complain about it to maintainers
• 1017[08:32:37] <armin> |-unattended-upgr(13760)---unattended-upgr(14054)---dpkg(14223)---ifupdown.postin(14224)---systemctl(1431
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• 1020[08:32:52] <armin> needless to say, it hangs there.
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• 1023[08:33:26] <babilen> armin: Why would it do that?
• 1024[08:35:11] <armin> babilen: well my motivation to debug systemd/ifupdown related issues is quite limited, but obviously because systemd tries to start/stop/whatever a service with "no limit" again, like usual.
• 1025[08:35:19] <Lyberta> teatime, oh btw I have a key to encrypted /home partition in / partition so I don't have to type passwords 3 times
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• 1041[08:44:37] <alkisg> Unattended upgrades has so many issues that I wish it wasn't enabled by default...
• 1042[08:44:57] <tw> it isn't except for security.
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• 1044[08:45:53] <alkisg> We were secure all those years without it :)
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• 1048[08:46:42] <alkisg> Even its `apt update` task may hang, and without a user interface for it anywhere, it may never recover...
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• 1051[08:47:18] <tw> except for all those CVE-2018-6789 and friends.
• 1052[08:47:26] <tw> manual updates I guess.
• 1053[08:47:35] <alkisg> It should at least gain a user interface (notification icon or screen for terminal) before it gets on by default
• 1054[08:47:44] <alkisg> Oh, desktop users had a prompt for updating
• 1055[08:47:52] <alkisg> It wasn't that manual, just a click yes when necessary
• 1056[08:47:55] <tw> funny story, it's pulled in by a UI widget.
• 1057[08:48:02] <tw> It's not default for servers at all, doesn't get installed.
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• 1063[08:49:28] <tw> update tray notification widget -> py3 update package thingy -> unattended upgrades
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• 1111[09:27:28] <ghxst> How can I set this config up on a system with 2 NICs of which the second is set as default gateway for the target client: replaced-url
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• 1117[09:33:53] <dionysus69> latest stable firefox shows jpg colors wrong
• 1118[09:34:11] <dionysus69> had to disable gfx.color_management.mode in firefox to fix this
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• 1149[09:55:04] <z3dm4n> hi there, guys!
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• 1152[09:56:03] <z3dm4n> maybe you can help me out or give my any idea of how to handle my issue.
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• 1162[09:57:28] <z3dm4n> i have run an old debian etch server for one of my clients and would like to migrate this bare-metal machine into a virtual one.
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• 1167[09:59:10] <z3dm4n> the kernel is to old to run on kvm, because virtio-scsi needs at least 3.4, i guess.
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• 1169[09:59:55] <Ke> why not use virtio-blk then
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• 1172[10:01:18] <z3dm4n> Ke, it's a clound kvm installation of my hoster. i would like to keep it simple, bc i only need that machine for some month.
• 1173[10:01:30] <nti__> Hello i am running VMs on qemu via libvirt on AMD Ryzen (Debian Stretch). For some reason the VM just freeze/hang after some time. Using Linux 4.14 from backports.
• 1174[10:01:43] <z3dm4n> so i was wondering if docker would do the trick.
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• 1176[10:01:53] <nti__> I found several lines with "warning: host doesn't support requested feature: CPUID.*" in the log file.
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• 1181[10:03:14] <z3dm4n> im not really experienced with docker. another possibility would be debian etch running as freebsd jail on another machine of mine.
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• 1183[10:03:33] <nti__> z3dm4n: Docker most certainly won't help in this case. As it needs newer kernel features. What services do you wish to migrate?
• 1184[10:03:51] <z3dm4n> i hate that old stuff.
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• 1187[10:04:45] <z3dm4n> I have newer debian servers running jessie. couldnt i run etch in a docker container on jessie?
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• 1190[10:05:31] <z3dm4n> nti__, it's mostly about php 5.2 iirc.
• 1191[10:05:35] <nti__> And docker doesn't do kernels within the container.
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• 1195[10:06:40] <z3dm4n> nti__, i know that. but the kernel doesnt matter for me. i only need that apache, mysql, postfix stuff from the etch machine.
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• 1198[10:07:06] <nti__> If the setup isn't complex you can easily migrate to docker. Then you can migrate to docker if you want and have the time.
• 1199[10:07:09] <nti__> → replaced-url
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• 1205[10:07:52] <nti__> Do they/you have other infrastructure to host VMs or containers? Or would that be your first docker deployment?
• 1206[10:08:14] <z3dm4n> interesting.
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• 1210[10:09:12] <nti__> Check the dockerfile. If the project is small it might not be beneficial to split the services between different docker containers.
• 1211[10:09:21] <z3dm4n> i have a couple of debian servers from debian 4 to 8 and one freebsd box. i only played around with docker to run xmrig ;) on some of this servers.
• 1212[10:09:48] <z3dm4n> i didnt know that php5.2 compiles on jessie.
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• 1218[10:11:53] <z3dm4n> is there a way to make an tarball of the old etch srv and easily run this thing with docker?
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• 1220[10:12:23] <z3dm4n> or is it more complex than this?
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• 1245[10:21:36] <nti__> First you need to think about sendmail. Is it used for reporting or does it send emails to customers? If the later you need to reconfigure sendmail, because the docker container gets an internal IP address.
• 1246[10:21:45] <nti__> *postfix
• 1247[10:23:17] <nti__> The big problem with docker is that their container model is static. In the sense that you shouldn't modify a container. For example if you want to apply a security patch for postfix or php you destroy and rebuilt the container for you updated docker file.
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• 1249[10:23:35] <z3dm4n> hmm. this is one culprit, for sure. is there no way to assign a public ip to a docker container? or is this always done via NAT?
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• 1251[10:24:03] <nti__> It is problematic in the sense that you need to change your workflow and approach to updates.
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• 1254[10:25:21] <z3dm4n> i see, this is probably why everybody who talk about docker also talks about ansible. ;)
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• 1256[10:26:18] <z3dm4n> so networking is always done via natting?
• 1257[10:26:30] <nti__> I don't think docker just for this one migration is worth it. You are probably better of compiling old php on debian 9 and copy everything else over.
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• 1261[10:27:33] <z3dm4n> it's about 3 old machines at least. etch, etch, lenny.
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• 1263[10:28:30] <nti__> Just looked for recent infos and it appears that it is supported nowadays:
• 1264[10:28:33] <nti__> replaced-url
• 1265[10:29:12] <nti__> Does the customer need ssh access to the machines? If so docker is not your solution.
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• 1269[10:30:26] <nti__> Do all three have the same setup?
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• 1273[10:31:28] <z3dm4n> similar. webhosting machines running confixx.
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• 1276[10:31:43] <z3dm4n> no ssh.
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• 1278[10:32:05] <z3dm4n> thanks for the link. looks doable.
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• 1313[10:48:45] <wrksx> Hey ther
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• 1343[11:04:29] <hardhat> What is Debian doing in the microsoft store page? Has anyone tried this yet and is it safe or would it be better to use a vm if you need Debian like command line but don't want to restart for dual boot?
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• 1353[11:11:46] <jelly> hardhat: debian's been working on making it a suppported OS for replaced-url
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• 1357[11:15:44] <jelly> hardhat: mentioned in last bits from debian project leader, replaced-url
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• 1361[11:17:04] <hardhat> I like the idea of have a command line ready to go for things like ssh, rsync and such but... it's weird. Do you know of any good information sources on how it works?
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• 1369[11:18:52] <jelly> hardhat: it's new. Try it. There's other WSL documentation just not for Debian specifically.
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• 1372[11:19:52] <jelly> the gist is windows emulates (many APIs and ABIs from) the linux kernel and userspace lives in that environment
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• 1374[11:20:36] <JustASlacker> although powershell is recommended
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• 1377[11:21:26] <JustASlacker> and the WSL is for development, not recommended to run anything in production
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• 1384[11:23:56] <jelly> JustASlacker: "have a command line ready to go for things like ssh, rsync and such" does not really sound like either development or production
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• 1386[11:24:07] <Fsocietyf> hi
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• 1389[11:24:43] <Fsocietyf> privet seesions ??
• 1390[11:25:05] <hardhat> Mostly for talking to a few small servers but I'll give it a try I guess.
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• 1392[11:25:24] <Fsocietyf> ok
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• 1396[11:26:12] <jelly> hardhat: it's basically just a different kernel, and a slightly crippled one that only does 64bit binaries right now. Debian (userspace) is still debian even if you replace the distro kernel with something weird
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• 1400[11:27:03] <hardhat> From what I'm reading, "By placing unmodified Linux binaries in Pico processes we enable Linux system calls to be directed into the Windows kernel."
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• 1411[11:28:17] <JustASlacker> jelly: well, yeah
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• 1415[11:28:49] <jelly> JustASlacker: and it's "development" from Microsoft's perspective, not necessarily from a Linux user's
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• 1425[11:29:57] <Fsocietyf> quote MODE%c +b
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• 1431[11:30:38] <hardhat> It's a step in the right direction from Windows, but I keep thinking, what's the catch and how am I getting screwed over.
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• 1435[11:31:32] <JustASlacker> I guess they want interoperability now...
• 1436[11:31:50] <JustASlacker> best news for me was/is still the inclusion of ssh into windows
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• 1439[11:32:46] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
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• 1444[11:33:22] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
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• 1502[12:04:41] <at0m> sshd?
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• 1506[12:04:55] <hardhat> Strange that during the Debian "install" it doesn't automatically lowercase the username. Wouldn't it be forcing bad usernames than?
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• 1509[12:05:48] <themill> nothing wrong with uppercase in usernames
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• 1511[12:06:07] <themill> Debian-exim:x:101:103::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false
• 1512[12:06:14] <JustASlacker> except they are annoying
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• 1514[12:06:29] <hardhat> During every Debian install I've done, it always lowercases my usernames.
• 1515[12:06:44] <themill> you're free to do that
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• 1518[12:09:12] <at0m> uppercase to make it look like buntu :D
• 1519[12:09:51] <hardhat> So far Debian in wsl seems.. well like Debian which is good. I'll have to play around and see how far I can go before it breaks itself.
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• 1526[12:14:24] <n4dir> debian stable ? break it? that's a tough one
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• 1528[12:14:48] <hardhat> Debian stable on Windows in WSL, it's not Debian that will break.
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• 1532[12:16:01] <hardhat> I'm thinking i3wm with a few simple programs to start.
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• 1563[12:30:40] <Giulia76> Hi, i need your help, i will like install vlc 3.0.1. Who can help me ? plz
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• 1568[12:33:40] <petn-randall> ,v vlc
• 1569[12:33:42] <judd> Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.7-1~deb9u1; buster: 3.0.0-1; sid: 3.0.1-2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u2; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.8-dmo1+deb8u1; stretch-multimedia:
• 1570[12:33:43] <judd> 1:2.2.8-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:3.0.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:3.0.1-dmo1
• 1571[12:34:00] <petn-randall> Giulia76: Is there a reason you need that specific version?
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• 1573[12:34:22] <Giulia76> for the chrome cast =)
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• 1575[12:34:47] <NetTerminalGene> you can use debian in windows 10 now
• 1576[12:34:56] <petn-randall> Giulia76: It's currently not available in stretch(-backports), but might be some time in the future.
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• 1578[12:35:02] <petn-randall> !sns
• 1579[12:35:03] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 1581[12:35:41] <Giulia76> i can't install it
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• 1588[12:41:52] <Giulia76> ?
• 1589[12:43:07] <petn-randall> Giulia76: Correct. You can try compiling from source, but that's a lot more work.
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• 1591[12:43:13] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport vlc
• 1592[12:43:27] <judd> Backporting package vlc in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 11), libaribb24-dev, libplacebo-dev (>= 0.2.1) [linux-any].
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• 1594[12:43:34] <Giulia76> ok
• 1595[12:43:36] <Giulia76> thank u
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• 1597[12:44:12] <Haohmaru> "libplacebo" o_O
• 1598[12:44:41] <Haohmaru> the names in linux never stop surprising me
• 1599[12:45:12] <roflcakes> human beings never stop surprising me
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• 1604[12:47:39] <Haohmaru> roflcakes you nickname could easily be the name of a linux program too
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• 1610[12:51:04] <roflcakes> I am a linux program. b00rk b00rk
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• 1615[12:54:48] <Haohmaru> >:)
• 1616[12:57:20] <volter> Hello! I'm facing a puzzling problem with approx. For a configured repository, it responds with 404. I just created the respective directory in /var/cache/approx then and it started serving resources that live in this very directory. However, for every sub-directory the problem continues in the same way. Debug logging showed that approx thinks that it can not download the original resource:
• 1617[12:57:26] <volter> replaced-url
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• 1619[12:57:28] <volter> Has anybody seen something like that before?
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• 1621[12:58:11] <volter> The same repository works just fine on a different approx of our's, as far as I can tell.
• 1622[12:58:33] <lram> Hello, how can I get debugging/verbose message when executing "apt update"?
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• 1685[13:19:08] <volter> Oh, it turns it out is actually silently broken on the other approx too.
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• 1733[13:23:33] <lram> *push* Hello, how can I get debugging/verbose message when executing "apt update"?
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• 1737[13:24:55] <themill> !apt debug
• 1738[13:24:55] <dpkg> To debug what is going wrong with apt/apt-get/aptitude fetching from the mirrors, append «-o Debug::Acquire::http=true» to the command line. The output will be lengthy but informative.
• 1739[13:25:06] <themill> (I'd use apt-cacher-ng over approx too)
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• 1755[13:29:54] <lram> Thank you!
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• 1771[13:36:39] <rwx777> why is there alsamixer and pulseaudio. can i deinstall pulseaudio or do i destroy something. What is the difference?
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• 1774[13:37:50] <JustASlacker> pulseaudio relies on alsa, iirc
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• 1776[13:38:24] <JustASlacker> afaik you cannot remove either without messing up sound
• 1777[13:38:41] <JustASlacker> you could remove pulseaudio for also only, but thats slowly going away
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• 1779[13:39:00] <JustASlacker> pretty sure steam, skype and others depend on pulseaudio
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• 1781[13:40:07] <rwx777> ok when i type alsamixer i could manage sound what do i have to type in for pulseaudio
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• 1784[13:40:39] <JustASlacker> pulseaudio-mixer-cli?
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• 1786[13:41:14] <JustASlacker> not sure for console
• 1787[13:41:23] <JustASlacker> pavucontrol is usually installed
• 1788[13:41:41] <lram> Linux soundsystem is weird imo
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• 1791[13:42:01] <JustASlacker> which one :P
• 1792[13:42:20] <rwx777> yeah i liked alsa and then i realised that there is pulseaudio. and dont get anythinkg anymore
• 1793[13:42:53] <JustASlacker> alsa was ok
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• 1795[13:43:05] <JustASlacker> still is :D
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• 1798[13:43:38] <linuxthefish> Hi, what's a quick way to delete everything on a volume group?
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• 1801[13:44:13] <linuxthefish> I tried doing "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/vg/2nd bs=500M" and it gives me IO errors and locks up, even after unmounting it
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• 1805[13:45:20] <jdegreef> bs=500M isn't that too big ?
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• 1810[13:47:13] <linuxthefish> jdegreef, hmm I'm trying to do it as fast as possible and not to worried about data recovery, but just rm is too easy to recover data from
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• 1812[13:48:23] <lram> linuxthefish: bs means block size and should be adjusted to the hardware. 500M shouldn't be an adequate block size for normal hardware.
• 1813[13:48:54] <siraben> If I don't set bs what value does it use?
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• 1816[13:49:53] <rwx777> to pulseaudio -> i've found pacmd. really weird this thing ^^
• 1817[13:50:03] <linuxthefish> Thanks lram, I'm not too familiar with block sizes but I'll stick to 4KB as that's what it uses
• 1818[13:50:32] <Lyberta> rwx777, there's also JACK but it's for audio production
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• 1823[13:51:46] <lram> replaced-url
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• 1832[13:59:26] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: If you get I/O errors, likely your hardware is broken.
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• 1854[14:12:49] <RoyK> linuxthefish: what sort of I/O errors?
• 1855[14:13:53] <galex-713> Hi, I’m doing a debian installation, and linux sees only /dev/sdb1 in /dev, but partman says there are 3 partitions on sdb
• 1856[14:14:15] <galex-713> the real partition (the sdb one) correspond to the second partition partman sees
• 1857[14:14:19] <RoyK> galex-713: what does lsblk say?
• 1858[14:14:30] <galex-713> therefore it can’t this partition because it doesn’t exist for linux
• 1859[14:14:43] <galex-713> RoyK: not found :/
• 1860[14:14:50] <RoyK> ah - cat /proc/partitions
• 1861[14:14:52] <galex-713> not installed on the cd netinst
• 1862[14:14:55] <linuxthefish> Ah RoyK I sorted it now thanks, it was mounted and I was trying to dd to it
• 1863[14:15:15] <galex-713> sr0, sdb, sdb1, sda, sda1
• 1864[14:15:40] <RoyK> ok, so sda is the usb thing with the installer, perhaps?
• 1865[14:15:53] <galex-713> also I can’t resize first partition (probably because there’s no fs and its size is 0), nor the third (because it doesn’t exist, as the second)
• 1866[14:15:58] <galex-713> RoyK: no usb, CD
• 1867[14:16:12] <galex-713> I tried USB with dvd image but it didn’t boot, I ignore why
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• 1869[14:16:16] <RoyK> galex-713: do you have an existing OS on that or are you installing from scratch?
• 1870[14:16:19] <galex-713> (the usb was detected, but not booted)
• 1871[14:16:28] <galex-713> there is a windows installation
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• 1873[14:16:37] <RoyK> do you want to keep that?
• 1874[14:16:52] <galex-713> I’m installing from the speech synthesis menu of the entry of the netinst installation cd
• 1875[14:16:54] <galex-713> yes
• 1876[14:17:16] <galex-713> introducing someone to GNU/Linux, not removing windows right now
• 1877[14:17:18] <RoyK> what sort of drives? you say sda and sdb
• 1878[14:17:24] <galex-713> sata
• 1879[14:17:34] <RoyK> well, are both in use?
• 1880[14:17:42] <galex-713> what do you mean?
• 1881[14:17:47] <RoyK> and are there room for more partitions on either of them?
• 1882[14:18:14] <galex-713> on one there is windows taking all the space (250G), on the other a partition with personnal data taking all the other disk (~1800G)
• 1883[14:18:23] <galex-713> nope, the partitions take all the space
• 1884[14:18:36] <RoyK> you need a separate partition to install linux
• 1885[14:18:43] <RoyK> you can't install linux on ntfs
• 1886[14:18:43] <galex-713> I know
• 1887[14:18:45] <galex-713> *GNU/linux
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• 1889[14:18:53] <galex-713> I already did many debian installation
• 1890[14:19:25] <galex-713> I just never saw this problem preventing resizing of partitions
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• 1892[14:19:51] <RoyK> gparted can sometimes do it
• 1893[14:19:57] <RoyK> windows can sometimes do it itself
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• 1897[14:20:09] <galex-713> there’s no gparted on the netinst install cd
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• 1899[14:20:14] <galex-713> RoyK: can windows do that while it’s on?
• 1900[14:20:20] <RoyK> yes
• 1901[14:20:26] <galex-713> like, redimensing the own partition it is currently on?
• 1902[14:20:33] <RoyK> sometimes
• 1903[14:20:33] <galex-713> like do lvm allow to do?
• 1904[14:20:41] <RoyK> depends how badly fragmented the fs is
• 1905[14:20:53] <galex-713> ah ok
• 1906[14:20:54] <RoyK> try on windowze first
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• 1908[14:21:00] <galex-713> it might take a lot of time?
• 1909[14:21:06] <RoyK> not necessarily
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• 1911[14:21:19] <galex-713> it was installed yesterday
• 1912[14:21:27] <galex-713> shouldn’t be that bad
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• 1916[14:22:18] <Ryushin> What is the official policy of Debian regarding sysvinit? Wondering why the zfs packages have no init scripts.
• 1917[14:23:11] <RoyK> Ryushin: official policy is "use systemd"
• 1918[14:24:00] <RoyK> galex-713: better try with windoze first, then
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• 1923[14:26:38] <jelly> Ryushin: it's supported, but based on best effort by each package maintainer. Feel free to file a bug report, preferably with patches
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• 1925[14:27:07] <galex-713> RoyK: thank you, in fact windows can do that
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• 1927[14:27:17] <galex-713> the fans do a lot of sound but still
• 1928[14:27:26] <Ryushin> jelly: Thank you for the response.
• 1929[14:27:29] <jelly> RoyK: you have a reference for that as official policy? systemd is merely default.
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• 1931[14:27:59] <RoyK> jelly: well, no, it was just a guess
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• 1934[14:30:09] <galex-713> RoyK: I have the debian-9.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso and it doesn’t boot from usb, yet the usb drive is recognized by bios, any idea of finding out why?
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• 1936[14:30:46] <RoyK> galex-713: it should normally be just to dd the image over to the usb thing
• 1937[14:30:48] <jelly> galex-713: how did you write the usb?
• 1938[14:30:56] <RoyK> I've done that *many* times
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• 1940[14:31:34] <galex-713> RoyK: what I did, I even used dd of=/dev/stdout to do md5sum and check it was written properly
• 1941[14:31:35] <galex-713> and it did
• 1942[14:31:41] <galex-713> RoyK: me too :)
• 1943[14:32:06] <galex-713> jelly: the exact command was: sudo dd if=debian-9.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=1M; sync
• 1944[14:32:07] <jelly> galex-713: in particular write it to the whole device and not to a partition
• 1945[14:32:12] <RoyK> no reason to use of=/dev/stdout - it's default if you don't give dd an of ;)
• 1946[14:32:19] <galex-713> yes I know in fact
• 1947[14:32:23] <jelly> galex-713: so you should have used /dev/sdb
• 1948[14:32:25] <galex-713> RoyK: ah ok, ty
• 1949[14:32:31] <galex-713> ohhhhhhh
• 1950[14:32:33] <galex-713> in faact
• 1951[14:32:40] <galex-713> probably a misplaced tab pression ><
• 1952[14:32:42] <RoyK> wrong disk? ;)
• 1953[14:32:43] <galex-713> thank you a lot!
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• 1955[14:32:59] <jelly> !usb install
• 1956[14:32:59] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
• 1957[14:33:05] <jelly> this is all documented!
• 1958[14:33:47] <galex-713> yeah I know
• 1959[14:33:54] <galex-713> and usually I *know* it’s /dev/sdb
• 1960[14:34:00] <galex-713> just a typo this time
• 1961[14:34:09] <jelly> nod
• 1962[14:34:14] <galex-713> ^^
• 1963[14:34:28] <galex-713> I learned it doing that error many times too before x)
• 1964[14:34:47] <galex-713> but this time I did it inconsciously, which led me to total uncomprehension of why wasn’t it working anymore
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• 1975[14:41:37] <RoyK> galex-713: btw, just in case, are you sure you dd'ed the iso onto the disk and not the partition?
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• 1977[14:42:43] <galex-713> this time yes
• 1978[14:42:50] <galex-713> it booted
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• 1982[14:43:56] <galex-713> oh, it booted but it may be corrupted
• 1983[14:43:57] <galex-713> rewriting it
• 1984[14:44:08] <galex-713> (failure to copy a file)
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• 2059[15:20:14] <galex-713> RoyK: it still sees only 3 partition, whose the first is 0-sized, the second is the real first, the third is the real second (of the correct size, about a hundred G), and the forth (4G, meant to be swap) is not visible
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• 2061[15:21:37] <RoyK> galex-713: any space left on the disk for more partitions?
• 2062[15:21:52] <galex-713> noo
• 2063[15:22:00] <galex-713> and it is not willing to let me resize them
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• 2067[15:22:32] <RoyK> galex-713: I guess my next advice is to reinstall windows and during that, partition manually
• 2068[15:22:59] <RoyK> if it was installed yesterday, I guess not much has happened there?
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• 2071[15:23:49] <z3dm4n> hey guys! me again. i need to figure out what to do with my old etch and lenny servers. i want to move them from bare-metal to my kvm / cloud. my kvm setup uses virtio-scsi. this requires kernel >= 3.4. etch is running 2.6 :P. is there way easy way to get a backported kernel installed in etch / lenny or do i have to build my own? long time ago i did this using make kpkg, right?
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• 2074[15:24:52] <RoyK> z3dm4n: install new, virtualised machines on stretch and copy the data, install needed packages
• 2075[15:25:40] <z3dm4n> like php4x and php5x?
• 2076[15:25:51] <z3dm4n> ;)
• 2077[15:25:52] <RoyK> or php7, perhaps
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• 2079[15:26:10] <z3dm4n> impossible. sry.
• 2080[15:26:21] <RoyK> php is terrible - even a minor upgrade may break an old application
• 2081[15:26:26] <tw> heh, tons of incompatible language changes there. XD
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• 2083[15:26:40] <z3dm4n> i need this etch / lenny guys as they are.
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• 2086[15:27:01] <z3dm4n> they are running app that only work with php5x
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• 2088[15:27:07] <RoyK> z3dm4n: I hope they're not connected to the internet
• 2089[15:27:18] <z3dm4n> php 5.6 broke everything iirc
• 2090[15:27:26] <z3dm4n> sure not :P
• 2091[15:27:31] <rocketmagnet> hi all, where does debian 9 sets the PATH ? everytime i open a new terminal my export PATH=$PATH:/blah gets overwritten by the default one (i've added it to ~/.bashrc and tried /etc/bash.bashrc)
• 2092[15:27:33] <tw> z3dm4n: maybe a chroot for the userspace on a modern install?
• 2093[15:27:48] <z3dm4n> tw, here we go
• 2094[15:28:15] <z3dm4n> tw, thanks man. forest trees you know.
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• 2096[15:28:34] <RoyK> z3dm4n: what is it you have that requires old php?
• 2097[15:28:34] <z3dm4n> not sure if you guys no this metaphor
• 2098[15:28:59] <z3dm4n> RoyK, confixx, old typo3
• 2099[15:29:01] <tw> I do a bunch of repeatable build stuff and that's how I get it to work.
• 2100[15:29:22] <z3dm4n> this a client server. i just manage it. or rather managed it.
• 2101[15:29:36] <RoyK> what is confixx?
• 2102[15:29:36] <tw> Might get some mileage out of docker, but it's much more than I need.
• 2103[15:29:42] <z3dm4n> tw, like a jail
• 2104[15:29:59] <z3dm4n> RoyK, a piece of crap
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• 2106[15:30:27] <tw> bsd jail is a pretty good analogy for containers, plus and minus.
• 2107[15:30:40] <RoyK> z3dm4n: what does it do?
• 2108[15:30:50] <z3dm4n> but jails are much more powerful
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• 2111[15:31:01] <z3dm4n> docker lags certain stuff
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• 2113[15:31:35] <tw> Eh, possibly. I haven't looked at it too closely. namespaces and soforth do a lot of the same things jails do, it's just a bit harder to manually set up, imo.
• 2114[15:31:38] <RoyK> in my job, if we have an old, unsupported system, we replace it
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• 2116[15:32:16] <RoyK> typo3 seems to exist in updated versions
• 2117[15:32:19] <z3dm4n> docker is intended to run only apps. no whole servers with lamp stack, i would say.
• 2118[15:33:03] <tw> docker is just a wrapper. It can be as much or as little as you want. lxc is a more "bare-metal" paravirt platform.
• 2119[15:33:34] <z3dm4n> RoyK, my clients are resistant to updates. but i can't force them really. so this is all legacy stuff on this machine. i installed it maybe 10y ago.
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• 2121[15:34:01] <RoyK> z3dm4n: then tell your boss it's outright stupid to run something like that
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• 2125[15:35:16] <z3dm4n> tw, docker could work, but it's not its real purpose, so i dont bother with it. lxc is more similar to jails, i guess, but i didnt take a deepm dive.
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• 2127[15:35:59] <tw> Make something that works and don't get too attached to it if you need to break it.
• 2128[15:36:04] <z3dm4n> RoyK, i told him over and over again, but maybe the data is important enough, i dont know.
• 2129[15:36:07] <RoyK> z3dm4n: you could install jessie on kvm and just rsync the data over - should be the same thing
• 2130[15:36:31] <RoyK> just make sure you tighten the security, firewall and all - there *will* be bugs
• 2131[15:37:11] <z3dm4n> tons of holes, maybe not remote, but local for sure.
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• 2133[15:37:21] <RoyK> …and don't expose these things directly on the internet unless you really want trouble
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• 2135[15:37:36] <z3dm4n> i'll chroot that thing and that's it. only need to last some more month.
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• 2137[15:38:13] <RoyK> migrating to a kvm machine is probably easier - just install a new one and move the rest
• 2138[15:38:27] <RoyK> that's what I'd do anyway
• 2139[15:39:17] <z3dm4n> yeah, but too much overhead for my use-case. i only need it to run some month and i dont want to setup a new machine.
• 2140[15:39:36] <RoyK> not much overhead, really, but then, it's up to you
• 2141[15:39:42] <z3dm4n> but... wait... maybe
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• 2143[15:40:51] <z3dm4n> i'll consider this. thanks guys. the easiest fix is (almost) everytime the best. why bother with docker if (kvm+) chroot would do the trick.
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• 2187[16:01:16] <fujisan> how can i run ubuntu in debian mode?
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• 2190[16:02:08] <tw> I guess you could run the debian installer over an ubuntu installation and completely erase the ubuntu stuff. That'd do it.
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• 2206[16:09:17] <jhutchins_wk> fujisan: The same way you run Windows in OSX mode.
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• 2217[16:19:17] <phuzion> How would I go about requesting that a package be updated in Debian? Upstream has had 4 stable updates, but Debian is still distributing a version from 2011.
• 2218[16:20:55] <galex-713> when arriving at “choosing and configuring packages” in debian install process, after choosing MATE, GNOME, etc. at some point it fails by saying the mirror is corrupt or the install process failed (apt update/install failed)
• 2219[16:21:00] <jhutchins_wk> phuzion: What is the package?
• 2220[16:21:04] <phuzion> jhutchins_wk: eggdrop
• 2221[16:21:27] <galex-713> by testing with ping it says “Network is unreachable”
• 2222[16:22:00] <galex-713> I can make it work again by redoing the step of detecting and configuring network interfaces, but if I try to re-do these steps (config/choose packages (manager)) it fails again and ping shows the same error
• 2223[16:22:07] <jhutchins_wk> ,v eggdrop
• 2224[16:22:08] <judd> Package: eggdrop on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.20-1; jessie: 1.6.21-4; buster: 1.6.21-4+b1; sid: 1.6.21-4+b1; stretch: 1.6.21-4+b1
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• 2226[16:23:05] <phuzion> jhutchins_wk: upstream had a release of 1.8.3 as of last month.
• 2227[16:23:17] <phuzion> (the 1.7 branch was entirely skipped)
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• 2230[16:25:20] <jhutchins_wk> phuzion: It does look like there are significant features that might justify an update, but it requires that someone supply the time and effort to package it.
• 2231[16:25:34] <jhutchins_wk> phuzion: You can file a whishlist bug against the package, similar to an rfp:
• 2232[16:25:37] <jhutchins_wk> !rfp
• 2233[16:25:38] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
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• 2237[16:26:16] <jhutchins_wk> phuzion: You could also contact the maintainer and ask what you could do to help get the newer version packaged.
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• 2239[16:27:36] <phuzion> jhutchins_wk: would the RFP be the "most appropriate" way to do this then?
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• 2241[16:28:07] <jhutchins_wk> phuzion: Not really, since it's an already packaged item, but the process would be similar.
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• 2245[16:30:07] <Haohmaru> eggdrop is another fine name of a linux program ;P~
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• 2263[16:39:55] <LordPraslea> Eggdrops (and IRC) got me into programming and Linux inthe first place:D
• 2264[16:40:20] <phuzion> LordPraslea: so what you're saying is if the maintainer doesn't respond to me, you'd be willing to package Eggdrop 1.8.3? ;)
• 2265[16:40:35] <LordPraslea> Well I'm not using eggdrops anymore sorry:D
• 2266[16:40:49] <phuzion> Think of it as a trip down memory lane! lol
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• 2268[16:41:02] <LordPraslea> switched long ago do custom irc written bots, anyway, why not compile the newest version?
• 2269[16:41:17] <Haohmaru> LordPraslea mIRC scripts in my case ;]
• 2270[16:41:54] <LordPraslea> Haohmaru, i started with mIRC scripts too, but then dwelved onto the tcl lane since mIRC scripts where awful performance factors
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• 2272[16:42:25] <Haohmaru> you can offload nasty things into dlls ;P~
• 2273[16:42:42] <jelly> ,v eggdrop
• 2274[16:42:43] <judd> Package: eggdrop on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.20-1; jessie: 1.6.21-4; buster: 1.6.21-4+b1; sid: 1.6.21-4+b1; stretch: 1.6.21-4+b1
• 2275[16:42:44] <Haohmaru> but yeah, eggdrop is specifically made for that sort of things i guess
• 2276[16:43:31] <phuzion> LordPraslea: I __really__ prefer packaged software if at all possible. Just makes maintaining a system much easier.
• 2277[16:43:34] <jelly> phuzion: just file a bug report with Severity: wishlist, asking for the new upstream version
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• 2279[16:43:43] <LordPraslea> Oh crap, version 1.6.20
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• 2283[16:44:00] <jelly> it's not that much RFP-like
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• 2285[16:44:11] <phuzion> jelly: I already emailed the maintainer, if I don't hear anything within 24-48 hours I'll probably file a wishlist bug
• 2286[16:44:25] <phuzion> jelly: do you know if there's a template or an example bug I can reference?
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• 2290[16:46:04] <jelly> phuzion: I don't think there's a formal template. Google: debian bug new upstream version, and pick an example :-)
• 2291[16:46:17] <jelly> eg. replaced-url
• 2292[16:46:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2293[16:47:18] <jelly> if new version fixes some bugs already reported in debian, reference them
• 2294[16:48:48] <phuzion> jelly, judd: thanks.
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• 2296[16:49:00] <phuzion> oh, judd's a bot lol
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• 2313[16:55:16] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: New version adds support for ssl and ipv6, I think that'd be significant.
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• 2337[17:10:56] <wrksx> I'm trying to reset my root password. I used a 'rescue' reboot, mounted the / partition, chrooted into it, but it doesn't seem like changing the root passwd works (cheecking if /etc/shadow is changing)
• 2338[17:11:28] <wrksx> What am I missing ?
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• 2342[17:16:02] <jelly> wrksx: is / mounted read-write?
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• 2345[17:16:41] <wrksx> jelly: didn't use any options probably a good catch
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• 2347[17:17:02] <wrksx> seems like I can write
• 2348[17:17:26] <wrksx> the line in shadow starts witch
• 2349[17:17:32] <wrksx> starts with root:*:
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• 2351[17:17:53] <tw> so password is disabled.
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• 2353[17:18:54] <wrksx> tw: Shouldn't using passwd enable it ?
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• 2357[17:20:17] <tw> it's a shadow password system, no weird nsswitch.conf stuff?
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• 2360[17:20:39] <wrksx> it's supposed to be a std debian
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• 2366[17:21:08] <wrksx> Jessie
• 2367[17:21:28] <tw> `whoami` says root?
• 2368[17:21:38] <wrksx> yes
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• 2372[17:22:34] <galex-713> Is there a way to recreate an mbr partition table with partman under a debian install dvd?
• 2373[17:22:46] <tw> and mount | grep ' / ' has rw as the first option?
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• 2376[17:23:46] <wrksx> tw: do I need to exit the chroot to check that ?
• 2377[17:23:50] <wrksx> because it fails
• 2378[17:23:54] <wrksx> mount: failed to read mtab: No such file or directory
• 2379[17:24:01] <tw> oh, uh.
• 2380[17:24:08] <wrksx> oh uh ?
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• 2382[17:24:12] <tw> do you have /proc mounted
• 2383[17:24:14] <tw> in the chroot.
• 2384[17:24:18] <tw> along with /dev
• 2385[17:24:36] <tw> eg, mount -o bind /dev /target/dev
• 2386[17:24:46] <tw> all of proc, dev, sys
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• 2388[17:25:34] <wrksx> tw: no, /proc is empty
• 2389[17:25:51] <tw> Try again with at least /proc mounted.
• 2390[17:25:56] <wrksx> I only mounted / and /home
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• 2392[17:26:39] <wrksx> but /fstab doesn't mention /proc
• 2393[17:26:55] <tw> Working in a chroot sometimes does weird stuff if you don't have those 3 extra things bind-mounted.
• 2394[17:27:17] <greycat> Newer systems (stretch for sure) do /proc automatically without needing fstab entries for it.
• 2395[17:27:22] <wrksx> tw I don't know what is bind mount unfortunatly
• 2396[17:27:34] <tw> wrksx: command I gave you does bind mount for dev
• 2397[17:27:44] <greycat> !chroot
• 2398[17:27:44] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 2399[17:27:56] <tw> thanks, that's a good macro answer.
• 2400[17:28:00] <wrksx> oh so you mount /dev from the 'rescue' system to the chroot target ?
• 2401[17:28:17] <tw> Yes.
• 2402[17:28:25] <greycat> Certain things may not work if /dev, /proc and/or /sys are missing from the chroot. Other things will be fine.
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• 2404[17:28:28] <wrksx> Thank you guys will give that a try
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• 2412[17:31:07] <wrksx> mount -t sysfs none /target/sys <- that one is weird
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• 2414[17:31:33] <wrksx> what is none
• 2415[17:31:34] <wrksx> ?
• 2416[17:31:43] <tw> doesn't matter. Same with proc.
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• 2418[17:32:02] <tw> There's no source, the filesystem is completely kernel-generated.
• 2419[17:32:09] <tw> so the parameter doesn't apply.
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• 2424[17:33:15] <wrksx> ok now mount works
• 2425[17:33:23] <wrksx> everything is rw
• 2426[17:34:10] <wrksx> but passwd doesn't change the content of the root line in shadow
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• 2429[17:36:15] <tw> Couldn't say then, that should work if there were no errors.
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• 2431[17:36:48] <wrksx> Yeah there must be something I completly overlook
• 2432[17:36:55] <wrksx> passwd: password updated successfully
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• 2442[17:40:33] <wrksx> Okay so I'm trying to find a way around, I created a new user, how can I give it permission to su as root ?
• 2443[17:40:35] <alkisg> wrksx: if you want to update the password in some installation from some live cd, you need to chroot into it
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• 2445[17:41:00] <alkisg> I haven't read if that's actually what you're trying to do though :D
• 2446[17:41:11] <wrksx> alkisg: exactly that
• 2447[17:41:21] <alkisg> OK, (sudo) chroot /path/to/mount passwd
• 2448[17:41:33] <alkisg> That command runs passwd inside the installation, not in the live media
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• 2450[17:42:00] <wrksx> alkisg: I've mounted bunch of things and chrooted
• 2451[17:42:10] <wrksx> then I use passwd but it doesn't seem to work
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• 2458[17:43:32] <greycat> How do you know?
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• 2460[17:43:49] <wrksx> greycat: I'm checking the file /etc/shadow and it doesn't change
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• 2462[17:44:13] <wrksx> greycat: shouldn't it change ?
• 2463[17:44:52] <greycat> One would think so, if there is a correct entry in /etc/passwd to begin with.
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• 2466[17:45:15] <greycat> If there's no magic character in field 2 of passwd then the hashed password just goes directly in field 2 of /etc/passwd and not in /etc/shadow.
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• 2469[17:45:48] <wrksx> greycat: actually it looks like there is a password set in /etc/passwd
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• 2471[17:46:03] <wrksx> starts with $6$
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• 2474[17:46:21] <greycat> "man 5 passwd" says there must be an x in field 2 of passwd for shadow to happen
• 2475[17:46:28] <wrksx> not sure what you call magic character though
• 2476[17:46:38] <greycat> you didn't have an x there so your passwd was placed directly in passwd
• 2477[17:46:59] <RoyK> storing passwords in /etc/passwd was something we did around 1990
• 2478[17:47:25] <wrksx> greycat: thanks for the exlanation
• 2479[17:47:44] <wrksx> what gives a user the permission tu su as root ?
• 2480[17:47:45] <ezekiel> Hey all. Anyone able to help me out with something on Kali Linux?
• 2481[17:47:50] <annadane> !kali
• 2482[17:47:51] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2483[17:48:05] <wrksx> I meant permission to su as root
• 2484[17:48:09] <greycat> wrksx: the contents of /etc/pam.d/su
• 2485[17:48:38] <wrksx> greycat: is there a command to allow a user to su ? or should I manually edit that ?
• 2486[17:48:57] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
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• 2488[17:49:11] <wrksx> allow my freshly created user to use su
• 2489[17:49:21] <greycat> there is no special step required
• 2490[17:49:34] <wrksx> so I simply login as user
• 2491[17:49:41] <wrksx> type su, then root pwd and that's good ?
• 2492[17:49:43] <greycat> yes
• 2493[17:49:58] <wrksx> greycat: awsome, thanks for the confirmation
• 2494[17:50:12] <annadane> though generally you should get in the habit of using "su -"
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• 2498[17:50:42] <greycat> Disagree.
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• 2503[17:51:22] <wrksx> Should I unmount everything before reboot ?
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• 2505[17:51:58] <greycat> Personally, I would exit out of the chroot and then unmount it. But that may be just my excessive paranoia.
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• 2507[17:52:27] <wrksx> greycat: that's what I wanted to do. But after that I remembered about /proc sys and dev mounts =)
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• 2509[17:53:12] <wrksx> greycat: can I simply unmount /mnt/rootpart/proc
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• 2512[17:53:33] <greycat> I believe so.
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• 2514[17:53:44] <wrksx> let's give it a try then
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• 2516[17:54:13] <wrksx> didn't complain
• 2517[17:54:16] <wrksx> cool
• 2518[17:54:22] <wrksx> let's try to reboot ! yay
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• 2522[17:57:09] <wrksx> Of course it failed properly
• 2523[17:57:15] <wrksx> ssh connection refused
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• 2525[17:57:57] <wrksx> Oh my
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• 2527[17:58:34] <wrksx> Is this possible that sshd is not auto started after boot ?
• 2528[17:58:52] <alkisg> Does ping work?
• 2529[17:58:57] <wrksx> sure does
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• 2531[17:59:23] <m3rlin> possible
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• 2533[17:59:33] <greycat> ssh should start unless you have forgotten to install it, or you have removed it, or you have asked it not to start at boot
• 2534[17:59:47] <greycat> (or you have placed an error in the sshd_config that causes it to error out, etc.)
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• 2565[18:08:45] <wrksx> How could I get logs about what happened during last boot ?
• 2566[18:09:07] <wrksx> I want to check if there is something about ssh
• 2567[18:09:09] <Ke> sudo journalctl
• 2568[18:09:27] <wrksx> it says No journal files were found.
• 2569[18:09:58] <wrksx> But I started from a rescue system and chrooted to the system I'm trying to restore
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• 2576[18:10:48] <Ke> mkdir /var/log/journal to enable journald logging
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• 2583[18:11:33] <wrksx> not sure I follow, creating the dir will allow the system to log boot warns and errors on next boot ?
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• 2608[18:17:07] <alkisg> wrksx: why don't you login locally and check if ssh isn't running and why? Why do you need a chroot or a persistent log?
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• 2610[18:17:41] <wrksx> alkisg: it's a server, I didn't configure it and I don't have root access, I can only boot in rescue mode
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• 2612[18:18:11] <alkisg> You have ssh but not local login?!
• 2613[18:18:21] <wrksx> hu ?
• 2614[18:18:45] <wrksx> what are you talking about local login ? I'm not on site
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• 2616[18:19:20] <greycat> Use whatever you used to "boot in rescue mode" to do a console login.
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• 2618[18:20:15] <wrksx> greycat: not sure I can do that, the resuce mode is a feature activated from the web interface of the hoster, I can only use ssh using a specific key I need to intall from the web interface
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• 2620[18:20:39] <wrksx> I don't think they provide console access
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• 2623[18:21:54] <greycat> And your "rescue mode" is not single user mode, but is instead booting from alternative media? Hence the chrooting you did earlier?
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• 2625[18:23:33] <wrksx> greycat: yeah it's booting from the network, a specific image provided by the hoster as well.
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• 2627[18:24:14] <wrksx> I said image, but I don't know if that's the exact term
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• 2629[18:26:09] <strk> what's the name of debian packages being only "redirects" to more specific ones ?
• 2630[18:26:28] <strk> for those packages which only needs to rely on any of a possible set of packages "providing" that functionality ?
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• 2632[18:26:36] <mutante> strk: "purely virtual"
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• 2634[18:26:45] <strk> where can I read about making such packages ?
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• 2636[18:27:01] <strk> it's for a postgresql extension where we are installing postgresql-<version>-extensionname
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• 2639[18:27:12] <strk> and I want other packages to possibly depend on just "postgresql-extensionname"
• 2640[18:27:45] <strk> ok now that I expressed this alound I see I'm doing the packaging of the first in a wrong way..
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• 2643[18:28:11] <mutante> sometimes it's all you need to express it aloud
• 2644[18:28:25] <mutante> i wouldnt know better personally. there is replaced-url
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• 2647[18:29:05] <mutante> dpkg: virtual
• 2648[18:29:05] <dpkg> rumour has it, virtual is when you can see it, but its not there, as opposed to hidden, where you can't see it, but it is there, when its gone, then you can't see it and it isn't there. a model of reality, in a handy carrying case, or <virtual package>, or <virtualization>.
• 2649[18:29:16] <mutante> dpkg: virtual package
• 2650[18:29:17] <dpkg> A virtual package doesn't really exist, but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) providing a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To determine what provides a foo virtual package, use "aptitude search '~Ppackagename'" or "/msg judd rprovides foo".
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• 2661[18:37:08] <RoyK> dpkg: metapackage
• 2662[18:37:08] <dpkg> i heard metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
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• 2666[18:38:06] <abrotman> the bot has this really neat "dpkg: tell user about foo" feature ...
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• 2680[18:43:01] <jim> is there a packaged program that puts something in the copy/paste buffer?
• 2681[18:43:08] <greycat> xclip
• 2682[18:43:22] <jim> thanks
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• 2742[19:11:52] <johnfg> hi guys
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• 2749[19:13:16] <vjacob> Hi folks. Tried to google for this, but I am not finding the answer so far... how can I change the default user in a Debian Live boot with persistence enabled?
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• 2752[19:13:35] <vjacob> Meaning when I log out of the current user, it auto-logs back in as "user"
• 2753[19:13:45] <vjacob> So not even that I can do...
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• 2755[19:14:07] <johnfg> is the BerkekleyDB devel pkg available for stretch?
• 2756[19:14:09] <vjacob> I guess what would work is to get gdm/lightdm to actually require a login
• 2757[19:14:14] <greycat> You might consider asking #debian-live on OFTC.
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• 2766[19:16:16] <vjacob> greycat, thanks, doing that also
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• 2768[19:16:57] <tw> johnfg: yes, libdb-dev and libdb++-dev
• 2769[19:17:10] <tw> If you need a specific version, that might be a different story.
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• 2772[19:17:45] <ealfonso`> I'm running into a gpg bug causing decryption to hang indefinitely. The bug was reportedly introduced in 2.1.15: replaced-url
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• 2774[19:18:13] <greycat> Is there an open Debian bug for the issue?
• 2775[19:18:40] <tarzeau> hey greycat :)
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• 2778[19:19:25] <ealfonso`> I don't know if the bug has been reported... I'm interested to know if I can use apt to build an earlier version or if I have to build from source
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• 2780[19:19:55] <greycat> ,v gnupg
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• 2782[19:19:57] <judd> Package: gnupg on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.12-7+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 1.4.12-7+deb7u9; jessie: 1.4.18-7+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.4.18-7+deb8u4; stretch: 2.1.18-8~deb9u1; buster: 2.2.5-1; sid: 2.2.5-1
• 2783[19:20:15] <greycat> I don't know if a gnupg 2.0.x package was ever created.
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• 2785[19:20:28] <tarzeau> debian/changelog entries will tell
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• 2790[19:21:34] <greycat> ,v gnupg2
• 2791[19:21:35] <judd> Package: gnupg2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2.0.25-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.26-6+deb8u1; stretch: 2.1.18-8~deb9u1; sid: 2.2.3-1; buster: 2.2.5-1; sid: 2.2.5-1
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• 2793[19:21:49] <greycat> there ya go... gnupg2 in jessie
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• 2797[19:23:03] <ealfonso`> do I have to change my sources.list to include jessie?
• 2798[19:23:22] <tw> you would need to rebuild the package so it links against stretch libraries.
• 2799[19:23:26] <greycat> That's one way. Perhaps even the easiest way. Another would be to download the .deb straight from packages.debian.org.
• 2800[19:23:36] <greycat> tw: maybe. Maybe not.
• 2801[19:23:39] <tw> Or maybe it'd just work, I don't know the linkage.
• 2802[19:24:06] <greycat> If the package dependencies are correctly specified, it should either work, or fail to install due to a missing dep.
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• 2807[19:24:27] <greycat> In the latter case, you get to choose whether to grab the deps yourself, or stick a jessie line in sources.list and go through that whole dance.
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• 2809[19:24:53] <greycat> I would still prefer to see the bug filed and fised.
• 2810[19:24:55] <greycat> fixed, even
• 2811[19:25:04] <n4dir> vjacob: there is a non-debian tool with which you can easily build live images: refractasnapshot. (I guess what you ask for can be easily achieved by other means though)
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• 2814[19:25:56] <vjacob> n4dir, I guess so as well. It shouldn have to require downloading another image and reinstalling :-P
• 2815[19:26:06] <vjacob> Prefer to stick with Debian that said
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• 2817[19:26:28] <n4dir> you don't need to download an image, only the tool
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• 2819[19:26:53] <n4dir> back then you could do it with live-helper (perhaps now live-builder), but i think not anymore
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• 2824[19:28:23] <n4dir> at forums.debian.net there is also a how-to unpack an iso, configure it to your liking and pack it as an iso again. Very, very old though, at minimum years.
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• 2826[19:28:56] <n4dir> said refractasnapshot does that, iirc, only in an automated way
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• 2843[19:38:16] <ethans> Can I install Qt in Mx Linux 16 ?
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• 2845[19:38:47] <annadane> we're unlikely to know that because mx linux is not debian
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• 2847[19:39:57] <ethans> ok. And on Raspbian ? Can I install it ?
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• 2849[19:40:31] <n4dir> same answer
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• 2919[20:17:28] <mnuhmnuh> i'm on testing/buster ... #886445 - replaced-url
• 2920[20:17:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2924[20:18:22] <mnuhmnuh> possibly cuz i had a couple of old kernel images lying around still? will see ...
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• 2926[20:20:51] <annadane> ,v intel-microcode
• 2927[20:20:52] <judd> Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free:
• 2928[20:20:53] <judd> 3.20180108.1+really20171117.1; sid/non-free: 3.20180108.1+really20171117.1
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• 2930[20:21:31] <annadane> so same microcode as exists in sid and i don't get that particular issue
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• 2933[20:24:22] <mnuhmnuh> annadane: i'll hope it goes away now that i've removed those old kernel images.
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• 2939[20:25:46] <mnuhmnuh> if that's the prob., why's it worrying about kernels which aren't running?
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• 2942[20:26:51] <annadane> idk
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• 2944[20:27:14] <mnuhmnuh> rhetorical. :-)
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• 2952[20:32:51] <jken> Hello, I am working on silencing all of the kernel messages on boot on a debian stretch system with the goal of boot -> plymouth -> startx. However, on boot I get an error saying "i8042: Can"
• 2953[20:33:02] <jken> "Cant read CTR while initializing i8042"
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• 2955[20:33:23] <jken> does anyone know how I can silence this, or disable i8042 in the kernel? The device does not have a ps2 port.
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• 2958[20:35:37] <vjacob> what debian package has vol_id command?
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• 2960[20:35:56] <greycat> ,file bin/vol_id
• 2961[20:36:01] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 2963[20:37:10] <vjacob> found an alternative way forward, thanks gc
• 2964[20:37:26] <RoyK> blkid?
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• 2974[20:39:10] <ChunkzZ> can anyone help me setup minidlna? my xbox doesn't see it....
• 2975[20:39:53] <ChunkzZ> I'm running debian stretch.
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• 2980[20:41:11] <vjacob> RoyK, yes
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• 2986[20:44:24] <Sansar> Hello, on gparted my SSD shows of a 119 gb capacity but it doesn't show how much of it is used. When I right click a random folder on it mentions 85.7 gb as the capacity
• 2987[20:44:46] <Sansar> Where is the rest of the capacity of SSD?
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• 2992[20:47:18] <lldd> Sansar, you can use "cat /proc/partitions" or "lsblk" to see structure of the disk (partitions)
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• 2997[20:49:41] <Sansar> lldd: I did lsblk and see that var,swap,tmp, root and home is combined making 119. According to this, 85.7 gb is the part that can be used for storing files etc. only, right?
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• 3011[20:52:32] <lldd> I can't say
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• 3027[20:53:19] <lldd> these commands report total capacity, not free capacity
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• 3031[20:54:08] <mtn> Sansar: try "df -h"
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• 3035[20:54:24] <hypn0> -T too
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• 3085[21:15:53] <AlexMao> Anyone familiar with Openbox and/or its menu configuration ?
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• 3099[21:19:03] <mog> hi im trying to have a udev rule fire on when i remove by bluetooth keyboard but its not firing
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• 3102[21:20:02] <mog> ACTION=="remove", ENV{NAME}=="ThinkPad Compact Bluetooth Keyboard with TrackPoint", RUN+="/home/betterlesson/btoff.sh"
• 3103[21:20:05] <mog> is my rule
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• 3124[21:26:18] <donofrio> "All right now baby, it's all right now." - replaced-url
• 3125[21:26:34] <annadane> 6 million comments later
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• 3127[21:26:47] <annadane> i'll just mention that this is off topic and #debian is for support questions
• 3128[21:27:05] * annadane suggests adding "please stop talking about the microsoft thing" to the topic
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• 3130[21:28:17] <donofrio> annadane, my god it just came available today and you think people are sick of hearing about it - ha....the water leaking out of the damn is powerfull and unstooable...
• 3131[21:28:19] <donofrio> ;)
• 3132[21:28:33] <hyperlumic> donofrio: I only heard about it just now, and I'm already sick of it.
• 3133[21:29:35] <donofrio> here is my ubuntu setup because of this very point - that debian was unable to this point to get installed now it is (my write with ubuntu is at replaced-url
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• 3191[21:49:16] <jken_> I am using this method to automatically log in and startx on a device I have running linux, I am also trying to use plymouth to show a splashscreen on boot. However, plymouth ends, then there is a period of nothing before the X server starts. Does anyone know how I can have plymouth wait until X is started to go away?
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• 3266[22:29:29] <Enissay> Hello all, I can run sccessfully a jar file from console using [ /usr/bin/java -jar /home/enissay/myJar.jar ] but when I put it in a cronjob, it simply never runs.
• 3267[22:29:29] <Enissay> I've tried many forms from goole with no luck, the simplest being: [ */5 * * * * root /usr/bin/java -jar /home/enissay/myJar.jar ]... If you could please help making this work ?
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• 3269[22:29:48] <greycat> does it open $DISPLAY?
• 3270[22:30:01] <Enissay> meaning ? how can I test it ?
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• 3272[22:30:36] <greycat> (unset DISPLAY; /usr/bin/java -jar /home/enissay/myJar.jar)
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• 3274[22:30:45] <thedog3catch3r> Enissay: where are you adding this cronjob?
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• 3276[22:31:00] <Enissay> to cronjob -e
• 3277[22:31:15] <thedog3catch3r> Don't put "root" in there
• 3278[22:31:22] <thedog3catch3r> that's for /etc/crontab and friends
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• 3281[22:31:48] <thedog3catch3r> It specifies the user to run as. Instead, for crontab -e, run that as the user whom you want to run the job.
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• 3287[22:32:40] <greycat> All of that is true, but also, if the thing needs $DISPLAY (X) (gui) (graphics) (windows) then it is not going to work from cron.
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• 3289[22:33:05] <Enissay> thedog3catch3r, root is fine, there's only one anyway on my remoteServer
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• 3291[22:33:26] <thedog3catch3r> Great, so remove "root" from the line and run `crontab -e` as root
• 3292[22:33:32] <Enissay> greycat, so that command to run in console to to put in cron ?
• 3293[22:33:41] <greycat> if you want it to run as root, copy the .jar file to somewhere SAFE, and set up the job in /etc/crontab or in *root*'s crontab -e
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• 3300[22:34:49] <greycat> running crontab -e as yourself sets up your personal crontab to run your personal jobs as you in your home directory (but *NOT* with a display)
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• 3333[22:48:13] <Enissay> greycat, thedog3catch3r : Okay, as I said, I am logged in as root to my remote server (via terminal), I have removed "root" from the "cronjob -e" with no luck, then I added it instead to /etc/crontab with no luck either
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• 3335[22:48:34] <greycat> define "luck"
• 3336[22:49:17] <Enissay> "not executed".... that jar connects to a db => no rows inserted, and also creates a log => no log generated
• 3337[22:49:28] <greycat> What does your jar file *do*? How do you know whether it worked or not? Did you check the logs to make sure cron actually ran the thing? Did it generate email?
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• 3339[22:50:00] <Enissay> you mean the cron log... I didn't know there is one :o
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• 3341[22:50:17] <greycat> cron logs through syslog, and you can usually grep CRON /var/log/* to find it
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• 3343[22:51:23] <greycat> individual cron jobs will generate email to the job owner if the job wrote to stdout or stderr. since the owner is root in this case, you'd need to check your MTA config to see where root's mail is being sent.
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• 3345[22:52:06] <thedog3catch3r> You could also try to redirect the job's output somewhere else if you don't want to do that.
• 3346[22:52:18] * petn-randall wonders why openssh-server hard depends on openssh-client.
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• 3353[22:55:12] <greycat> Another thing to understand about cron jobs is that they DON'T have your normal interactive shell's environment variables. They run in a minimialist environment with basically $PATH and $HOME and not much else.
• 3354[22:55:27] <greycat> If your java application depends on CLASSPATH or something, it won't be there.
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• 3356[22:56:07] <Enissay> greycat, and how to avoid that ? I have used the full path
• 3357[22:56:14] <greycat> Avoid what?
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• 3360[22:56:27] <Enissay> missing CLASSPATH
• 3361[22:56:33] <greycat> set it in the cron job
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• 3363[22:56:50] <greycat> */5 * * * * export CLASSPATH=/foo; java -jar /path/to/my.jar
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• 3365[22:57:29] <greycat> or java's -classpath, or whatever
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• 3376[23:00:27] <RoyK> greycat: so just start the same job every five minutes?
• 3377[23:00:34] <greycat> It was his example.
• 3378[23:00:39] <Enissay> ummm, and what the foo is supposed to be ?
• 3379[23:00:42] <RoyK> sounds like a memory issue
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• 3381[23:00:56] <Enissay> I checked the /var/log/syslog, nothing in there
• 3382[23:00:58] <greycat> Enissay: How would I know? YOU are the one that said you needed to use CLASSPATH.
• 3383[23:01:16] <jhutchins> Enissay: Java's classpath is usually the path to the version/installation you're using, which can vary on the same host.
• 3384[23:01:42] <greycat> Enissay: "nothing in there" meaning that cron never even RAN the job?
• 3385[23:01:45] <jhutchins> Enissay: To see what it is, echo $CLASSPATH
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• 3387[23:01:58] <greycat> Enissay: check the syntax of the crontab entry again. Make sure you used the right number of fields for whichever location you chose.
• 3388[23:02:14] <Enissay> echo $CLASSPATH => Empty
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• 3391[23:02:30] <Enissay> "nothing in there" => no mention of that cron ever ran
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• 3393[23:02:37] <greycat> Is cron even running?
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• 3395[23:02:50] <jhutchins> Enissay: You have to be in whatever environment you were able to run the jar from manually. That will have the CLASSPATH set (apparently).
• 3396[23:02:55] <greycat> You should see LOTS of entries from the standard Debian jobs.
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• 3402[23:03:28] <Enissay> greycat, yes, a lot of entries but non related to my jar
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• 3404[23:03:52] <greycat> Check your crontab entry. Show us what it says. Tell us WHERE it is (/etc/crontab vs. crontab -e).
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• 3407[23:05:27] <Enissay> I have it in both now: */2 * * * * /usr/bin/java -jar /home/enissay/myJar.jar
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• 3409[23:05:53] <greycat> That will fail in /etc/crontab and should work in a personal crontab -e.
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• 3411[23:06:41] <greycat> Wait 2 minutes for it to run, then: grep CRON /var/log/syslog | tail -1
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• 3414[23:07:13] <daemon> sleep 110;
• 3415[23:07:13] <daemon> [22:06:42] <greycat> Wait 2 minutes for it to run, then:
• 3416[23:07:15] <daemon> err
• 3417[23:07:23] <daemon> sleep 110; grep CRON /var/log/syslog | tail -1
• 3418[23:07:24] <daemon> :D
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• 3423[23:07:31] <daemon> (0_o) really
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• 3438[23:13:24] <hyperlumic> Yup.Use a pastebin.
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• 3443[23:14:59] <Enissay> greycat, okay, finally I got this: mysqld[28152]: Aborted connection 984 to db: 'rate' user: 'blah'' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets)
• 3444[23:15:19] <Enissay> I don't get it... It works fine when I run it from terminal !
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• 3446[23:16:01] <greycat> At this point it may be more of a #mysql question than #debian.
• 3447[23:16:43] <greycat> The two quotes after user could be significant but I suspect you munged them for some reason and made it impossible to diagnose.
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• 3449[23:17:25] <greycat> (or blah could be the actual user name, in which case those double single quotes look very important)
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• 3451[23:17:50] <Enissay> yes, sry, just changed the username, but it's as 'blah', so that extr was a typo'
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• 3462[23:20:54] <Enissay> greycat, thanks, now I have something I can investigate... Thank you all guys <3
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• 3515[23:43:25] <wrksx_> Guys, are things listed in fstab mounted during boot ?
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• 3524[23:46:30] <Lyberta> can grub mount luks2 devices?
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• 3532[23:50:46] <MrKeuner> Doesn't iptables use systemd on Debian 8?
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• 3534[23:51:10] <MrKeuner> Unit iptables.service could not be found...
• 3535[23:51:27] <MrKeuner> How can I see if ipdatbles is running?
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• 3537[23:51:47] <petn-randall> MrKeuner: iptables is a command line tool, so no. What are you trying to achieve?
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• 3539[23:52:53] <MrKeuner> ran this, sudo iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -o lo -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
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• 3542[23:53:08] <MrKeuner> iptables -L doesn't seem to list it
• 3543[23:53:26] <tugrik> iptables -t nat -L
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• 3548[23:53:44] <tugrik> iptables -t nat -L -n -v # might be better
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• 3552[23:54:21] <MrKeuner> ah thanks.
• 3553[23:54:30] <MrKeuner> Time to learn some iptables... :)
• 3554[23:54:31] <petn-randall> MrKeuner: if you don't list a table, it'll by default use the filter table, not the nat one.
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