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3 [00:00:49] <arvind> hello
4 [00:01:18] <arvind> Will debian jessie by default hibranate
if the computer is left untouched and has just a mp3 playing on
loop?
5 [00:01:53] <polemic> that would probably depend on the
default settings of your desktop environment, I think.
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7 [00:02:13] <mtn> depends on what hibernate means to you
8 [00:02:15] <stoned> I don't think so
9 [00:02:19] <stoned> It's never done that for me on a
desktop
10 [00:02:21] <arvind> polemic, i am using xfce4
11 [00:02:23] <stoned> On a laptop, I don't knwo the
settings
12 [00:02:33] <stoned> Maybe there are some power save options
turned on for laptops?
13 [00:02:44] <arvind> mtn, that the mp3 will stop playing or
the sounds stops
14 [00:02:53] <arvind> it is just a desktop pc no laptop
15 [00:02:57] <stoned> sleep, hibernate, poweroff
16 [00:03:02] <mtn> arvind: hibernate means suspend to disk.
that will not happen unless you tell it to
17 [00:03:19] <arvind> great!
18 [00:03:24] <stoned>
replaced-url
19 [00:03:25] <mtn> arvind: suspend means suspend to ram. that
is quite different
20 [00:03:27] <stoned> Read this.
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23 [00:03:37] <stoned> suspend/sleep same thing.
24 [00:03:49] <stoned> then you have hibernate, which is dump
memory to disk and power down.
25 [00:03:54] <stoned> then you have last mode, total power
down.
26 [00:04:22] <stoned> You may get hibernation working out of
the box (even without uswsusp), provided that you have a swap
partition big enough to hold an image of the system.
27 [00:04:35] <stoned> That is, swap same size or bigger than
the total amount of RAM
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29 [00:04:52] <stoned> So if you have 32gb ram, you can see this
causing an issue.
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38 [00:08:43] <arvind> hmm
39 [00:08:55] <arvind> firefox is giving me segmentation errors
when browsing on facebook
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42 [00:09:43] <stoned> I use chrome. Crashes less.
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44 [00:09:58] <arvind> yes, just tested chrome and fb works fine
45 [00:09:59] <stoned> arvind: try firefox safe mode
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47 [00:10:09] <stoned> make sure you're not using any goofy
extentions
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49 [00:10:19] <stoned> if it works in safe mode, you know
it's an extention
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52 [00:10:29] <arvind> stoned, no it is just firefox-esr without
any extension
53 [00:10:31] <xand> try not using that shit website
54 [00:10:36] <stoned> LOL
55 [00:10:39] <arvind> fresh install couple hours ago
56 [00:10:45] <stoned> Some of us have to use it
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58 [00:10:54] <arvind> girls girls girls
59 [00:10:58] <xand> have to? why?
60 [00:11:00] <stoned> Some of the people are web devs and have
to work within fb platform/sdks etc.
61 [00:11:04] <stoned> For work?
62 [00:11:13] <xand> I'm sorry
63 [00:11:13] <stoned> People do have marketing and socia media
agencies
64 [00:11:15] <stoned> you know.
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66 [00:11:28] <stoned> Why are you sorry that there is like a
totally different IT profession out there?
67 [00:11:52] <stoned> Sounds like you're miserable, and
therefore judgmental and anguished. and it's pouring out
publicly.
68 [00:11:55] <stoned> *shrug*
69 [00:12:21] <arvind> bit dissapointed with debian jessie.
thought it would be stable. Now firefox crashes on me when I go to
fb lol
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73 [00:13:00] <stoned> Firefox has never crashed for me in
debian yet.
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75 [00:13:32] <arvind> started firefox with firefox --safe-mode
then it crashed again on me ... hmmm
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77 [00:13:41] <arvind> segmentfault
78 [00:13:57] <mtcj> oops
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80 [00:14:06] <mtn> arvind: rename your .mozilla folder, then
start firefox again and test
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82 [00:14:50] <arvind> mtn, alright i just rm -rf it, had not
configured it anyway, it was just stock
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85 [00:15:22] <mtn> arvind: it is also possible you are having a
flash problem, depending on the page
86 [00:15:31] <stoned> It's also possible that firefox is
just trash.
87 [00:15:34] <arvind> mtn, yup just crashed again
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89 [00:15:36] <stoned> I'm sorry. Harsh opinion.
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91 [00:15:50] <arvind> mtn, chrome works fine though
92 [00:16:02] <mtn> arvind: probably a flash problem
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95 [00:16:38] <arvind> dpkg -l | grep flash shows nothing mtn
96 [00:16:38] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep flash
shows nothing mtn
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99 [00:17:10] <mtn> arvind: ok, so ff just has good taste and
wants to avoid fb :P
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105 [00:18:58] <stack> hello, how do I remove the boot lock when
dirty bit is check on a fs? I need this for a headless system
106 [00:19:05] <arvind> mtn sucks a bit but chrome will do for
now. I might switch to testing or sid tomorrow or maybe ubuntu. I
need something working and "stable"
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137 [00:28:15] <missmbob> arvind: download the binary tarball
from mozilla directly and see if it crashes for you
138 [00:30:53] <arvind> missmbob, ok doing it now
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146 [00:34:41] <bugzc_> does debian jessie not have dieharder in
the repos?
147 [00:34:47] <arvind> missmbob, yes also crashes. hmm, I
installed some software from third party repos, one of them is
fontconfig-infinality, libfreetype6 libcario and the second one is
more of a modification in sysctl.conf where i reduced the swappiness
to 20
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149 [00:35:23] <missmbob> bugzc_: no.
150 [00:35:25] <missmbob> ,v dieharder
151 [00:35:26] <judd> Package: dieharder on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.31.1-4; sid: 3.31.1-7; stretch: 3.31.1-7
152 [00:35:34] <missmbob> ,checkbackport dieharder
153 [00:35:42] <judd> Backporting package dieharder in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: libgsl-dev.
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155 [00:35:46] <velix> Oh my. Debian still leaks important
functions. I'm pre-setting debconf to a value. Running
dpkg-reconfigure afterwards doesn't read the value set to
debconfig, but resets it to default :(
156 [00:35:51] <bugzc_> ugh. it's in sid and wheezy but not
jessie? seriously
157 [00:36:03] <arvind> missmbob, and some stuff from
debian-multimedia. I wonder if it is the fontconfig infinality
breaking firefox
158 [00:36:30] <missmbob> arvind: oh that has to be it. i've
had deb-multimedia cause so many problems
159 [00:36:40] * bugzc_ reaches for lxc
160 [00:36:43] <missmbob> arvind: not a good idea to ever use
them
161 [00:37:02] <missmbob> !deb multimedia
162 [00:37:03] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
163 [00:37:10] <missmbob> arvind: see? ^
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165 [00:37:50] <arvind> missmbob, ok, is there a way to see what
packages are from debian-multimedia in my system, I can not recall
...
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167 [00:38:14] <missmbob> i have no idea if this factoid still
works
168 [00:38:16] <missmbob> !dmm list
169 [00:38:17] <dpkg> To list all packages you have installed
from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search
'?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia
Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p. Note: apt must know about
the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a
'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get
update' has been run). See also <which repo>.
170 [00:38:42] <missmbob> arvind: dinner time. good luck.
171 [00:38:53] <arvind> missmbob, thanks for your help, it is
much appreciated.
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184 [00:43:09] <phallic_noodle>
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194 [00:45:47] -phallic_noodle- Phallic phallus!
195 [00:45:54] <arvind> missmbob, that worked, firefox is not
segment faulting anymore
196 [00:46:14] <phallic_noodle> arvind: because of its phallus?
197 [00:46:31] <phallic_noodle> That's so phallic!
198 [00:46:33] <arvind> becauseo of debian-multimedia firefox
crashed
199 [00:46:40] <arvind> hehe
200 [00:46:43] <bazhang> !ops | phallic_noodle
201 [00:46:43] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang
complains about: | phallic_noodle
202 [00:46:48] <phallic_noodle> arvind, that is off topic
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207 [00:47:07] <bazhang> thanks babilen
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209 [00:47:21] <babilen> np, thank you
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236 [00:58:11] <missmbob> arvind: oh yay
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278 [01:19:21] <iLogic> hey guys, i got netatalk 3.x install via
apt-get and now i'm trying to use a previous version (2.2.4)
compiling the source.. do I have to apt-get remove the other first?
can't have both right? or sandbox?
279 [01:19:45] <egcmasti> try to remove old and install new
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283 [01:21:19] <iLogic> sorry, i actually installed the other
version from source too.. how can I replace it?
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288 [01:25:23] <velix> File privacy on Debian isn't good.
Directories in $home have 751. Subdirectories have 755. So any user
might guess, read, edit files in other user's directories.
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293 [01:26:50] <velix> Mark Shuttleworth commented this:
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295 [01:27:28] <velix> I wonder if he ever heard about access a
system by SSH (no USB).
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302 [01:31:56] <xyassin> Ilogic: maybe checkinstall
303 [01:32:10] <jmcnaught> velix: default is that other users can
enter your $HOME and read the files, but not edit them. Directories
in $HOME are 755, not 751
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306 [01:32:38] <velix> jmcnaught: /home/blah => blah is 751.
But when a user creats a directory in his home folder, it gets 755
here.
307 [01:32:57] <velix> jmcnaught: So userB can guess and access
/home/userA/mysecretfiles
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311 [01:34:07] <jmcnaught> velix: /home/foo is 755 by default,
other users can enter directory and see files inside it. If your
$HOME is 751 you did it yourself or are using a derivative.
312 [01:34:29] <jmcnaught> velix: if a user doesn't want to
share their files, it's pretty simple for them to accomplish
this
313 [01:34:30] <velix> jmcnaught: nope, you can set it:
dpkg-reconfigure adduser.
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315 [01:34:55] <jmcnaught> velix: and i'm telling you that
the default is 755 not 751
316 [01:35:04] <velix> jmcnaught: even worse.
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319 [01:35:21] <bugzc_> jmcnaught: thanks for your time and
advice last night
320 [01:35:24] <velix> jmcnaught: my users don't want other
users to list dirs ;)
321 [01:35:35] <jmcnaught> velix: then set that up for them
322 [01:35:41] <velix> jmcnaught: And it's not simple. You
can't do it by adding umask to .profile, since that's bash
only. You need to do it using PAM.
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325 [01:36:25] <velix> Even MS Windows doesn't allow users
to see other user's contents (only in shared directories).
326 [01:37:05] <jmcnaught> velix: "chmod 700 $HOME"
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329 [01:37:14] <jmcnaught> bugzc_: cheers
330 [01:37:27] <velix> jmcnaught: 750 would be enough. But this
doesn't allow shared directories.
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332 [01:37:56] <velix> jmcnaught: 751 has the feature to create
/home/userB/public
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349 [01:46:55] <velix> Wow, there are thousands of discussions on
this topic on the web :)
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381 [02:17:35] <ryouma> qbittorrent in jessie is 3.1.10-1 0, but
3.1.10-1~bpo70+1 in jessie-backports. so it's the same upstream
version with ... 70 modifications locally by the debian maintainer?
what is the meaning of this?
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404 [02:35:17] <missmbob> ryouma: 70 is for debian 7.0.
that's wheezy-backports not jessie-backports
405 [02:35:42] <missmbob> ryouma:
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415 [02:39:52] <ryouma> missmbob: aha. so ... what do i need to
do to get jessie backports into jessie rmadison?
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419 [02:40:46] <missmbob> ,checkbackport qbittorrent
420 [02:40:47] <judd> Backporting package qbittorrent in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
421 [02:40:51] <missmbob> !tell ryouma about ssb
422 [02:41:25] <missmbob> ryouma: there simply isn't one.
you have to make it following the above steps
423 [02:41:31] <missmbob> ryouma: it's really very simple
though
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430 [02:51:09] <ryouma> missmbob: ok i will take a look at it.
what does checkbackport call?
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432 [02:52:01] <missmbob> ryouma: i dont know how the judd bot
works
433 [02:52:05] <ryouma> ok
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436 [02:52:48] <jmcnaught> it's an interface to the ultimate
debian database.
replaced-url
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443 [02:57:33] <Halvy> Hi everyone :)
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448 [03:03:18] <Halvy> hi again.. is it ok to talk about SystemD
theory here... or... not?
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451 [03:04:54] <jmcnaught> Halvy: if you have support questions
about systemd on Debian you can ask here. If you want to debate
about systemd, this is not the place.
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459 [03:12:54] <Halvy> Oh reallly... I was hoping to get a more
official (correct) answer from a mod, or long term respected member
of this room. I know 'debating' IS allowed, since that is
what we are doing here in general, much of the time. Fat Finder...
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468 [03:16:31] <missmbob> !tell Halvy -about why systemd
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472 [03:17:01] <missmbob> but yes. no one here wants to debate it
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476 [03:18:02] <themill> velix: that's the whole point of
debconf is not to clobber your config files. If it actually
overwrote your config files then then it would be like the redhat of
old where every time you upgraded a package, you were given the
packaged defaults again and had to start from scratch again. You
need to put the answers in *before* installing the package.
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478 [03:19:15] <velix> themill: I see. Let's talk about this
in detail tomorrow. Have to backport some packages ;)
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494 [03:25:12] <Halvy> or reallly... red hat just had a major
catastrophe with any upgrade.. and we should not discuss inits...
hmmmm...ohhhhhhh kayyyyyyyy....
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496 [03:26:08] <abrotman> You'd like to discuss your RH
issues in #debian?
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498 [03:27:40] <Halvy> well...actually.. i was just trying to be
nice.. be new around here... but it seems like any other's that
would be interestd in discussing this, are now being blocked by
people like you waisting everyone's band with.
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500 [03:28:23] <Halvy> be=being, with=width
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506 [03:29:23] <Halvy> soooo.. until a mod tells us othewise....
507 [03:29:36] <themill> Halvy: you've already been told
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512 [03:32:29] <Halvy> by a mod? and told what.. that I
can't even ASK to discuss init issues????????!! please.. if
anyone disagrees.. please keep it to yourself, unless you are a mod,
I'm here like everyone else.. to help ,and get help.. not have
ONLY opposing views (fat fingers!).
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514 [03:33:11] <Hello71> you're drunk, go home
515 [03:33:12] <themill> Halvy: you've already been told
that the community has no appetite for this discussion. This is a
support channel and we're happy to support users.
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523 [03:39:09] <Halvy> Yea.. and free up the band width for the
genius remarks like from Hello71 just now... I am SURE I would be
very welcomed, in a PRO SystemD *help* forum... But keep talking..,
while you still got our attention!
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527 [03:39:33] <abrotman> Halvy: Please use whatever channel RH
users use to discuss their issues, have a nice day
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561 [04:11:08] <ryouma> in trying to create my own backport for
qbittorrent, i get "configure: error: Package requirements
(libtorrent-rasterbar >= 1.0.6) were not met:". is the
standard thing to do here to try to backport /that/ also?
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564 [04:12:56] <somiaj> ryouma: did you run apt-get build-dep
qbitorrent first?
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566 [04:13:12] <ryouma> aptitude build-dep qbittorrent; apt-get
-b source qbittorrent
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568 [04:13:29] <ryouma> somiaj: so yes. i used the bot blurb
569 [04:13:41] <ryouma> starting with aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential
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575 [04:14:42] <somiaj> ryouma: hmm, surprised you didn't
get those at the build-dep line. Anyways yes if you can't meet
that dep in jessie you will have to additionally backport it
576 [04:15:15] <somiaj> ,checkbackport qbittorrent
577 [04:15:16] <judd> Backporting package qbittorrent in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
578 [04:15:32] <somiaj> ,v libtorrent-rasterbar
579 [04:15:33] <judd> No package named
'libtorrent-rasterbar' was found in amd64.
580 [04:15:55] <somiaj> ,v libtorrent-rasterbar-dev
581 [04:15:56] <judd> Package: libtorrent-rasterbar-dev on amd64
-- wheezy: 0.15.10-1+b1; wheezy-security: 0.15.10-1+deb7u1;
wheezy-backports: 0.16.18-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.16.18-1; sid:
1.1.0-3; stretch: 1.1.0-3
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584 [04:16:34] <ryouma> ,checkbackport libtorrent-rasterbar-dev
585 [04:16:36] <judd> Backporting package
libtorrent-rasterbar-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all
build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
586 [04:16:47] <ryouma> ,checkbackport libtorrent-rasterbar
587 [04:16:48] <judd> Backporting package libtorrent-rasterbar in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
588 [04:17:00] <ryouma> somiaj: ok, thanks
589 [04:17:12] <missmbob> you shouldnt need to backport
libtorrent. the one in jessie will work fine
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591 [04:17:19] <somiaj> ryouma: unsure why that build dep
wasn't updated, but if the source requires a newer version
looks like.
592 [04:17:37] <missmbob> if you want to just wait i'm
backporting it now and i'll give you the debs
593 [04:17:39] <ryouma> i see, so it was supposed to error or
warn me i guess
594 [04:17:41] <somiaj> could it be you need to change a
./configure option to have it configure with older stuff
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602 [04:19:59] <ryouma> not a clue. i will try the backporting
procedure with the library
603 [04:20:03] <ryouma> missmbob: ^ thanks
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616 [04:23:44] <jmcnaught> ryouma: somiaj: it looks to me like
the wrong version is declared in qbittorrent's build-dep for
libtorrent-rasterbar-dev. qbittorrent's source package says
build-dep libtorrent-rasterbar-dev (>= 0.15.4) but stretch has
1.1.0-3 of that package
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620 [04:24:41] <ryouma> meaning i didn't need to backport
the library but could change some config someplace?
621 [04:25:34] <jmcnaught> ryouma: no i mean that the qbittorrent
source package from testing/unstable actually has a build-dep on a
higher version of libtorrent-rasterbar-dev than what is declared,
which is a bug in the qbittorrent package
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623 [04:26:36] <somiaj> jmcnaught: well build-deps only get
updated if the newer version is required. In this case seems the
matianer has not updated the build-dep info in the control file
624 [04:26:55] <jmcnaught> yeah that's what i mean,
it's an oversight
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626 [04:27:20] <somiaj> yea it is a bug, unless there is
something in the rules script that is forcing the configure file to
use the newer lib when it could also use the other lib
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628 [04:27:47] <somiaj> in this case the debian/rules needs to be
updated as to change this ./configure option which I'm unsure
if it is there. But ./configure --help may be insightful on this
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633 [04:30:11] <jmcnaught> the upstream tarball's INSTALL
file (for qbittorrent 3.3.7 at least) says that libtorrent-rasterbar
>= 1.0.6 is required
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635 [04:30:31] <somiaj> well there goes that idea, maybe I should
have researched it more.
636 [04:30:43] <pleasehelpme> Hello everyone. I bought a webcam
with microphone, it attaches just fine to the top of my monitor, but
the sound is so damn low I'm starting to suffer an aphonia
because I have to SHOUT to be heared. Mic dB gain 100% (+12dB) is
not enough. So I thought of editing ~/.asoundrc to software boost
the mic. Someone said it should be easy with alsa plugins. Easy my
ass. 8 hours and I still haven't managed to have a sound input
that, wh
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638 [04:30:59] <missmbob> i have it compiling here with
backported libtorrent 1.0.9. i'll provide those as well
639 [04:31:08] <missmbob> bit of a pain but not bad
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641 [04:32:29] <jmcnaught> pleasehelpme: are you using
pulseaudio? you probably are unless you disabled it. did you try to
adjust the input level in pavucontrol?
642 [04:32:36] <missmbob> ryouma: here
replaced-url
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644 [04:33:16] <pleasehelpme> jmcnaught: I am not, and I
won't ever use pulseaudio
645 [04:33:33] <slikts> anyone had a situation when php cli is
using config from /usr/lib and not /etc?
646 [04:33:50] <slikts> it's not loading extensions that are
in /etc
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648 [04:34:05] <pleasehelpme> *will preserve my vocal cords
healthy. This is the pastebin of my current .asoundrc:
replaced-url
649 [04:34:14] <pleasehelpme> the client cut my message
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651 [04:34:20] <slikts> I wonder if it's something I've
done or is it an issue with dotdeb
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661 [04:35:54] <jmcnaught> slikts: try with the official Debian
php packages. The dotdeb packages aren't supported here
anyways.
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670 [04:37:13] <ryouma> missmbob: thanks, i think i am going to
just continue compiling the library (huge)
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675 [04:37:42] <missmbob> ryouma: hope you have ccache for future
updates :)
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678 [04:38:11] <ryouma> missmbob: what's that?
679 [04:38:23] <missmbob> !ccache
680 [04:38:23] <dpkg> [ccache] a compiler cache, for speeding up
code recompilation. To use it, see
/usr/share/doc/ccache/README.Debian and INSTALLATION of ccache(1).
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681 [04:38:27] <slikts> jmcnaught: I don't particularly want
to deal with backports :/
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685 [04:39:23] <ryouma> missmbob: i had no idea this thing would
still be compiling! it's like what people say about gentoo!
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687 [04:39:45] <missmbob> ryouma: libtorrent takes hours on my
machine
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689 [04:40:09] <jmcnaught> slikts: the php 5.6 in jessie is not
sufficient for your needs?
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691 [04:40:16] <slikts> jmcnaught: of course not
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694 [04:40:41] <jmcnaught> slikts: i'm asking because some
people just want to run php7.0 because it's new and shiny
695 [04:40:51] <slikts> jmcnaught: I'm using the features in
7
696 [04:41:05] <slikts> jmcnaught: and 7 is significantly more
performant
697 [04:41:16] <ryouma> missmbob: now you tell me :/. well,
that's fine. i am in no rush for a bt client. but my big
concern is, what if there's a security issue with the library
or with the client? is there some command i can run that will alert
me or disable the client until i re-backport?
698 [04:41:28] <slikts> so it's worth upgrading even if
you're not using the new features
699 [04:41:33] <ryouma> are backports automated to that degree
already?
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701 [04:42:13] <ryouma> (this is my first backport)
702 [04:42:16] <missmbob> ryouma: no. manually.
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704 [04:42:27] <jmcnaught> slikts: i guess, at the expense of
problems caused by third party repos and packages
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707 [04:42:57] <ryouma> missmbob: ok, so i can't just go
like "check-for-security-issues libtorrent-rasterbar"
even?
708 [04:43:29] <slikts> jmcnaught: I have no problems with this
on my ubuntu boxes
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710 [04:43:52] <somiaj> ryouma: you can follow the DSA mailing
list and that will warn you of stuff in jessie. It won't say
weither your version is unescure or not. Basically with backports,
you take security into your own hand. You could follow the CVE or
other advisorys for the sofware you backport
711 [04:43:55] <ryouma> missmbob: (i.e. be warned so that i can
know at upgrade time)
712 [04:43:57] <Dewi> ryouma: I guess I would subscribe to the
upstream mailing list or whatever, then you have a clue when to
re-backport after a fix
713 [04:44:24] <missmbob> ryouma: not that i know of. i'm
sure you could point some change-detection web service to
replaced-url
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715 [04:44:38] <jmcnaught> slikts: if you "/msg dpkg
dotdeb" the bot will link you to where to get support for
dotdeb packages
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717 [04:44:58] <ryouma> hmm
718 [04:45:24] <slikts> jmcnaught: thanks
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721 [04:45:26] <ryouma> missmbob: oh hey maybe i can just do wget
and diff it every time i upgrade
722 [04:45:52] <slikts> it's odd; I symlinked the php.ini
file php -i reports it's using to the correct one in /etc, but
nothing changed
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725 [04:46:21] <Dewi> jmcnaught: I'm surprised it isn't
in official backports after 10 months. any idea why not? there used
to be a bot command to generate a url to check this...
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729 [04:47:32] <slikts> ahh! so I simply nuked /usr/local/php7
and a new php binary appeared
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731 [04:47:58] <jmcnaught> Dewi: backports depend on someone
making the effort, and whether the build-deps are present in stable.
"/msg judd checkbackport packagename"
732 [04:48:04] <slikts> this time it's the correct one
733 [04:48:07] <Dewi> jmcnaught: thx
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736 [04:48:33] <slikts> I guess I could have manually installed
php at some point
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739 [04:49:50] <jmcnaught> Dewi: for what it's worth i
attempted to backport php7.0 a couple of weeks ago out of
curiousity, and the build failed, and then i didn't
troubleshoot it any further
740 [04:50:29] <Dewi> yeah, I was just curious too. php used to
be one of the very first things to land in bpo, but times change,
hopefully towards better solutions :P
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742 [04:50:39] <slikts> jmcnaught: that's how it's
usually went for me as well
743 [04:51:30] <jmcnaught> i still don't think i'd be
willing to use backported php7.0 packages in production without a
very good reason (because i don't want to have to recompile
every time there's a security update)
744 [04:52:04] <Hello71> Gentoo people do that by default
745 [04:52:14] <ryouma> when my backports are ready, do i install
them with dpkg -i? or is there an aptitude command i can use?
746 [04:52:27] <missmbob> ryouma: dpkg -i with the way
you're doing it
747 [04:52:31] <Hello71> although only the latter, not the former
748 [04:52:45] <slikts> Hello71: let's not talk about gentoo
people
749 [04:52:53] <ryouma> missmbob: there are alternatives?
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751 [04:53:11] <Hello71> if you make it into a repo
752 [04:53:23] <ryouma> ah
753 [04:53:29] <themill> gdebi
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763 [05:00:56] <ryouma> seems to have created a bunch of debs
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785 [05:18:17] <ryouma> ok, so please pardon the basic question,
but do i install every deb that is created by libtorrent-rasterbar,
and /then/ run aptitude build-dep qbittorrent; apt-get -b source
qbittorrent?
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798 [05:22:31] <ryouma> actually, instead of creating a
libtorrent-rasterbar .deb, it created
libtorrent-rasterbar9_1.1.0-3_amd64.deb which seems different. i
tried installing it, but qbittorrent still complained that it did
not have the correct version for libtorrent-rasterbar.
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801 [05:23:21] <missmbob> ryouma: 1.1.0 (9) isn't generally
compatible with 1.0.x (8). that's why i stuck with the other
branch.
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803 [05:23:49] <missmbob> ryouma: and did you install the
rasterbar dev debs? not just the non dev ones?
804 [05:24:42] <ryouma> oh i need to install
libtorrent-rasterbar-dev_1.1.0-3_amd64.deb? dunno what you mean by
branch. i will try it.
805 [05:24:50] <missmbob> yeah, install that
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807 [05:25:17] <ryouma> yay, compiling
808 [05:25:33] <missmbob> qbittorrent is actually a quick compile
so you're almost done
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810 [05:26:08] <ryouma> and then i presume i do dpkg -P to purge
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812 [05:26:14] <ryouma> if i need to
813 [05:26:24] <missmbob> sure
814 [05:26:38] <bnw> Why is guile-2.0-dev removed for
today's testing full-upgrade?
815 [05:26:49] <missmbob> !tell bnw about debian-next
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825 [05:33:31] <ryouma> not compiling:
"/root/qbittorrent-3.3.6/build-nox/src/../../src/base/bittorrent/session.cpp:2341:
undefined reference to
`libtorrent::session_handle::wait_for_alert(std::chrono::duration<long,
std::ratio<1l, 1000000000l> >)'"
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828 [05:34:03] <missmbob> that doesnt look like an error
829 [05:35:02] <ryouma> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit
status
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831 [05:35:05] * Hello71 uses psychic debugging
832 [05:35:06] <ryouma> next line
833 [05:35:23] <Hello71> you need to install libtorrent
834 [05:35:26] <missmbob> ryouma: you need to pastebin more
835 [05:35:30] <ryouma> ok
836 [05:35:32] <Hello71> or your libstdc++ is old
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845 [05:38:22] <ryouma> missmbob:
replaced-url
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848 [05:40:22] <missmbob> ryouma: i dont know how to help you
with that. but like i said, i used a slightly different libtorrent
because i knew it could cause compatibility issues. maybe
that's it.
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850 [05:41:26] <ryouma> which libtorrent?
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852 [05:41:38] <missmbob> i used 1.0.9
853 [05:41:50] <ryouma> so you got it from a special repo for
older versions?
854 [05:42:17] <missmbob> ryouma: no. i compiled it myself a
while back and kept it. the source is in the same dir i linked you
to if you want it
855 [05:42:25] <missmbob> ryouma: it's this bug that i was
worried about bug #835049
856 [05:42:26] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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858 [05:43:35] <ryouma> on this computer i only install things
that are in the debian repos, so i think i will have to conclude
this is too much for me right now
859 [05:43:49] <ryouma> (getting a recent qbitttorrent, that is)
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861 [05:44:53] <missmbob> ryouma: maybe they have irc
support...no idea
862 [05:44:58] <ryouma> thanks for your handholding for the
backport procedure. if i encounter something with fewer gotchas
maybe i can just do it and it will work.
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864 [05:45:24] <ryouma> missmbob: hmm good idea, they do have a
channel, but maybe no debian people
865 [05:46:42] <ryouma> anyway it seems backporting is not awlays
trivial
866 [05:47:06] <missmbob> no it can get really messy. this is one
of the not so hard cases believe it or not
867 [05:47:16] <missmbob> glad i was able to do it :P
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870 [05:49:09] <ryouma> i'm going to put this off for a
while
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877 [05:52:30] <serard_> hello
878 [05:52:58] <serard_> Installing a package using dpkg -i,
tells missing dependencies; running apt-get install -f fixes this
879 [05:53:14] <serard_> but is there a way to tell dpkg to
install them in the same time ?
880 [05:53:23] <missmbob> serard_: there's also gdebi.
it'll sort it out so you don't have to
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882 [05:53:37] <serard_> missmbob, on command line ?
883 [05:53:40] <missmbob> serard_: yes
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885 [05:53:52] <pissfrog> hulo
886 [05:53:54] <missmbob> serard_: it has a cli and gtk one.
i've only touched the cli
887 [05:54:05] <serard_> missmbob, thank you a lot !
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889 [05:54:50] <pissfrog> anyone with knowledge on how to install
IBM db2 on debian?
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898 [05:58:44] <iamawesome> Hi, Why do we need initramfs or
initrd.img ? Can't we do like , linux /boot/vmlinuz
root=/dev/sda1
899 [05:58:49] <iamawesome> Normally if we compile kernel, it
produces vmlinux not initrd
900 [05:59:08] <serard_> missmbob, gdebi wants 200MB for
installation, hugh :) only need the cli tool, not the graphical one
(raspi headless)
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903 [05:59:29] <missmbob> serard_: dont install gdebi. install
gdebi-core
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905 [05:59:47] <n4dir1> serard_: try --no-install-recommends, if
you use apt-get
906 [05:59:49] <missmbob> serard_: that'll give you what you
need
907 [06:00:09] <serard_> yep, still get 145MB :D
908 [06:00:20] <serard_> with x11 stuff that I don't want :(
909 [06:00:21] <missmbob> the core? seriously? or no recommends?
910 [06:00:24] <n4dir1> though i see nothing wrong with simply
solving it with apt-get install -f, like you already did
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912 [06:00:38] <serard_> hmm ok
913 [06:00:53] <missmbob> serard_: how much does the gdebi-core
want? that should be cli only
914 [06:00:56] <serard_> 19.5MB :D
915 [06:01:01] <missmbob> yay :)
916 [06:01:10] <serard_> tried gdebi, didnt thought about a
-core, thank !!
917 [06:01:39] <missmbob> serard_: it's usual in debian.
i.e., gnome-core
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924 [06:05:06] <phallic_noodle> phallus
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927 [06:06:59] <duncannz> Should I use the CD or DVD image if I
want to write the ISO to a flash drive?
928 [06:07:14] <missmbob> duncannz: will you have internet during
install?
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930 [06:07:23] <duncannz> missmbob: yeah
931 [06:07:28] <missmbob> duncannz: then the netinst should be
enough
932 [06:07:53] <duncannz> ok
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934 [06:08:10] <missmbob> duncannz: how do you plan to copy the
iso to the usb?
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937 [06:08:27] <duncannz> missmbob: dd
938 [06:08:41] <missmbob> duncannz: do you need firmware?
939 [06:08:57] <missmbob> wifi?
940 [06:09:16] <duncannz> missmbob: Ah yeah maybe, but I can use
ethernet temporarily while doing the install
941 [06:09:36] <missmbob> okay. there's also a firmware iso
942 [06:09:39] <missmbob> !firmware iso
943 [06:09:39] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
944 [06:10:16] <phallic_noodle> phallus
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947 [06:11:50] <jmcnaught> !ops phallic_noodle
948 [06:11:51] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught
complains about: phallic_noodle
949 [06:12:09] <phallic_noodle> jmcnaught: dont be phallic
950 [06:12:15] <phallic_noodle> dpkg: that was not very nice
951 [06:12:16] <dpkg> phallic_noodle: I wish you would RTFM.
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955 [06:16:55] <phallic_noodle> what is RTFM?
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1017 [06:24:30] <Epakai> !rtfm
1018 [06:24:30] <dpkg> well, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If
you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before
asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find
one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as
well.]
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1051 [06:44:58] <badgerSqueegee> can someone recommend an xtml
editor with a "live view" feature?
1052 [06:45:09] <badgerSqueegee> preferably one in the repository
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1057 [06:47:37] <missmbob> i dont know what xtml is but that
sounds scary
1058 [06:48:06] <badgerSqueegee> lol
1059 [06:48:13] <badgerSqueegee> you know what i meant
1060 [06:48:22] <badgerSqueegee> it's late and I hate the
internet
1061 [06:48:54] <missmbob> i still don't know what you want.
most websites are dynamic...xhtml with "live view" would
be static. really not useful. it's not 2002
1062 [06:48:56] <badgerSqueegee> btw, it's a markup language
for text that's not so fast
1063 [06:49:25] <badgerSqueegee> well okay then, i'll just
install sublime or atom
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1065 [06:50:28] <badgerSqueegee> i've noticed a distinct lack
of decent text editor on debian (besides vim blah blah)
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1077 [06:56:41] <pragomer_1> I would like to use kde5 under
debian. can I install it in jessie? or would I have to use debian 9
already? is debian 9 already stable enought if you would compare it
e.g. with kubuntu 16.04 ?
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1084 [07:00:24] <missmbob> pragomer_1: jessie doesnt have it.
stretch probably isn't as stable but not terrible compared to
16.04. stretch still changes daily until the freeze
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1087 [07:05:18] <pragomer_1> mm.. missmbob... so you think trying
stretch with kde5 should be (nearly) as stable as kubuntu 16.04?
1088 [07:05:27] <pragomer_1> or not that much?
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1090 [07:07:44] <pragomer_1> mm.. is there any statistics about
what DE are used most on debian?
1091 [07:08:14] <jrabbit> you could check popcon
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1095 [07:10:55] <missmbob> pragomer_1: if you're big on new
desktops, debian just isn't right for you
1096 [07:12:50] <somiaj> pragomer_1: stretch is going freeze here
in a month. Once that point hits it gets to be a lot smoother ride.
It may work for you now. Biggest down side is no security support.
But many use it as a desktop.
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1114 [07:25:10] <pragomer_1> I have a few years of linux exp.. but
always used *buntus... so I think I could help myself.. so I think I
will give stretch a try if you think it is not soooo unstable
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1119 [07:26:12] <somiaj> pragomer_1: I'm running it now.
Though I don't use fancy desktops which have more working parts
that could have slight issues.
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1122 [07:26:41] <pragomer_1> and you run it with what DE?
1123 [07:26:49] <somiaj> I just use a simple window manager, fvwm.
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1125 [07:27:03] <pragomer_1> ah ok. understand.
1126 [07:27:44] <pragomer_1> alpha7 is the latest iso, right?
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1129 [07:28:54] <somiaj> if your hardware supports stable, use a
stable jessie isntaller. install a minimial system (no DE), upgrade
the minimial system to stretch and then install the de is the
suggesed path over the testing installer
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1134 [07:34:11] <pragomer_1> ok.. I will do it that way. thank
you.
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1148 [07:44:36] <missmbob> preaction: i'd do what somiaj said
and use stable installer. if not...i still wouldn't use alpha
7. the new nightlies are much better
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1326 [09:25:14] <daniel-s> Hello. Is this supposed to run a job
every minute (in crontab -e). It's not working for me.
1327 [09:25:15] <daniel-s> * * * * * "python3
/home/pi/t1.py" >> /home/pi/plog.txt
1328 [09:25:27] <daniel-s> I get the same problem with:
1329 [09:25:31] <daniel-s> */1 * * * * "python3
/home/pi/t1.py" >> /home/pi/plog.txt
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1335 [09:29:33] <preaction> daniel-s: the quotes mean it's
looking for a program called exactly 'python3
/home/pi/t1.py', which is difficult (but not technically
impossible)
1336 [09:29:55] <Night_Elf> ello all. Is it normal that when I
create a 'tap' device it remains in DOWN state? I create
it simply by running "tunctl" and then I "ifconfig
10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 tun0 up". But when I check with
"ip link show" it appears as 'state DOWN'.
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1353 [09:41:53] <SiCC> daniel-s: did you get it working?
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1393 [09:54:34] <daniel-s> SiCC: Yes
1394 [09:54:42] <daniel-s> preaction: Thank you.
1395 [09:54:51] <daniel-s> So the problem was in fact the quotes.
1396 [09:55:23] <daniel-s> It was extra confusing because the job
will be run the first time, producing an empty log file, but
afterwards is suspended for a day.
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1399 [09:55:40] <preaction> cron should also be sending mail
somewhere when commands fail. do you have a local mailbox? is your
machine set up to deliver mail over the Internet? do you have a
"MAILTO=<email address>" in top of your crontab?
1400 [09:55:43] <daniel-s> or something.
1401 [09:55:56] <daniel-s> So I didn't realise that it
wasn't running.
1402 [09:56:04] <preaction> also, the cron log should tell you as
well
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1404 [09:56:22] <daniel-s> preaction: I just now looked in
/var/log/syslog
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1406 [09:56:37] <preaction> right, this is all just for if you
find yourself in this situation again. sysadmin knowledge is kind of
like oral histories :p
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1412 [09:57:27] <preaction> but if you're concerned about the
process, i'd make sure cron can send mail. it will help. if
anything makes it to stdout/stderr, cron will e-mail it to you
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1431 [10:05:37] <Iridos> daniel-s, you should read up on quotes,
what they do and who reads them… the last bit is actually a
bit more complicated in crontab, but your command wouldn't have
worked anyway… try e.g.
replaced-url
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1433 [10:06:20] <Iridos> daniel-s, you'll not become happy on
the shell as long as you don't know at least the basics about
quoting
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1445 [10:10:58] <daniel-s> Iridos: OK. Thanks
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necessary to know what shell expansions are…
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1484 [10:28:48] <fkup> good day. i am soon to unleach debian on
myself,mayb, but thought i'd have a vm suffer beforehand ..
1485 [10:29:13] <fkup> i am now facing its initial range of
questioning.... asks Guided , or Manual.....
1486 [10:29:33] <fkup> Manual i take is better somehow.... if only
done correctly - imirite?
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1488 [10:29:56] <Anselmo> guided is usually ok
1489 [10:29:59] <fkup> There is also "guided - use entired
disk and setup encrypted LVM"
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1491 [10:30:11] <Anselmo> if you want to do something special, and
know what you're doing, do it manual
1492 [10:30:34] <fkup> "ok"... hm. I would like to
somewhat simulate what I'd be going on my own comp.. I
don't wanna end up with some lackings due to laziness in this
first bit..
1493 [10:30:48] <fkup> k.. thanks... will try, i guess..hopefully
figure thru it eventually.
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1507 [10:32:41] <Night_Elf> Is it normal that when I create a
'tap' device it remains in DOWN state? I create it simply
by running "tunctl" and then I "ifconfig tun0
10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 up". But when I check with "ip
link show" it appears as 'state DOWN'.
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1509 [10:32:51] <newbie|2> ok this is 'fkup' , think
he'll drop off shortly.. somewhat of a mysterie occured.. had
to re-connect
1510 [10:33:10] <newbie|2> If missed the last questions, please: I
asked. "I can still do Encryption (FDE (whole disk)) there,
right..? Possibly including some wider areas with taht too,
then?"
1511 [10:33:14] <Night_Elf> I try this on a wheezy machine. When I
do it on my laptop with jessie, the status is UP.
1512 [10:33:35] <newbie|2> (that is Manual (at the very beginning
of the installatioin process of Debian 8.5 x86)
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1527 [10:36:15] <newbie|2> "Configure iSCSI volumes" ...
there it asks me for IP-addersses..? :S ..was expecting some
partition managerhere but
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1537 [10:38:26] <newbie|2> Ok then! .will take ya advice..
"..if you .. [..] .. know what you're doing." -- I
don't really, so.... Guided it is, then !!
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1540 [10:38:38] <ksk> newbie|2: iSCSI is some remote SCSI
protocol, so yes, IPs.
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1545 [10:39:08] <newbie|2> weird... where'd them IPs come
from, it doesn't event recognize NIC at this point does it :S
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1550 [10:39:41] <newbie|2> guess im confusing it with something
else, and no virtualized network, or dhcp-assigned frmo elsewhere or
anything.. to allocate actual disk drives....:s
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1560 [10:41:17] <newbie|2> kk, I'll accept the dumbass choice
and go for guided I guess..for now anyway... little elaboration on
the mysterious IP-demand from the SCSI (disks, disk...something?!)
while it seemingly isnt let aware what an IP is, far less ajny
tricky means of assigning IP for partitions,.. or whatever taht
complex stuff musta meant
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1784 [10:43:34] <newbie|2> Does anyone have any info or experienve
even, on Virtualization software in Debian? (on Win I'd for
example be able to use ones like VMWare or VirtualBox).
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1789 [10:44:31] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: VirtualBox works perfectly
in Debian.
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1793 [10:44:52] <newbie|2> Is it possible with any of those,
(eventually,even for me-n00b as far..) , to get around to nest
virtualized guests? (like, a vm within a vm.. each eventually to
serve various functions, having various layers of FDE and nested
encryption containers etc. to be called i n for action as seen
fit..)
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1798 [10:45:20] <newbie|2> oo.. cool.. VBox seems the most liberal
nice thing (non-overly commercialized, as vmware seemed anyway^, at
least..) .. Cool. :-)
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1805 [10:45:55] <bolt> newbie|2: also have a look at qemu-kvm. it
can't be nested though.
1806 [10:45:55] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: Yes you can do that. I have
done only tests though to see if it was possible, but yes I did
that. Not much use of it for me though. :)
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1811 [10:46:06] <newbie|2> k,cool
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1816 [10:46:52] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: I hear kvm is pretty nice
too, with gnome-boxes as a frontend.
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1818 [10:46:57] <newbie|2> Ive barely heard of qemu-kvm before,
besides Ive found some cheap VPS-servers (rented,commercial service,
external access.. ) with that where the bottom is KVM (also XEN may
be tested soon for similar reason)
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1822 [10:47:26] <newbie|2> hm.. which one if u can remember,
alllowed virtualization within an other? was it one like KVM...
however taht works (I've no idea still) ?
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1832 [10:48:42] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: I guess they both can do
that. As long as you have the drivers for it to properly comunicate
with the processor (which is ultimately what makes nested
virtualization possible) you're good to go.
1833 [10:49:04] <newbie|2> oh..k.. cool! many thnx, once more.
sounds good!=))
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1836 [10:49:20] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: For virtualbox there's
the Guest Additions thing, which enables that in the guest systems.
1837 [10:49:38] <newbie|2> oh..hm..k..hm! interesting..
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1960 [10:50:42] <newbie|2> will prlly try taht first.. and,
"snapshot" & "reload" the box in-between my
noobing around with it.. (likely save alotta time as I eventually
screw it up at some points (likely)..)
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1967 [10:51:41] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: Consider the GuestAdditions
"disk" like the cd which contains the driver for the
"mainboard" and the "chipset" and the
"video gpu" that the virtual computer has.
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1975 [10:53:01] <newbie|2> o..hmh... not all sure I rly understand
anymore now then..hmh... anyway, will get to it and find out.. I may
end up trying em all even I guess:d
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1979 [10:53:35] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: You always install drivers
on a newly installed os on bare hardware, right?
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1981 [10:54:46] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: So conisider the vm as the
virtual hardware on which you install some os. This will need the
drivers, like always, for the underlying "hardware".
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1985 [10:55:16] <newbie|2> hmm..
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1990 [10:55:43] <newbie|2> drivers when. can't i download
some packages at some point.. hope it may recognize some attached
hardware during even, or such... or.. more complicated?
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1992 [10:55:53] <Night_Elf> These drivers for the virtual hardware
that will need to be installed in the guest os, are what we call the
"Virtualbox Guest Additions"
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1994 [10:56:51] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: The hardware is virtual. Is
what the virtualization software (virtualbox for example) presents
to the os that runs inside the virtual machine.
1995 [10:56:53] <newbie|2> oh..
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1997 [10:57:21] <newbie|2> that ... ill deal with in a lataer step
i guesss, sec lmc...
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2000 [10:57:51] <newbie|2> hh..,Im still in the very beginning and
early life of this pioneer deb .. i'll call it "mom"
(if i can name it smoewhere ("hostname" right?hihi) - my
first attempt to awake a Debian to life,n mayb have come morph into
something useful eventually too, even..
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2002 [10:58:19] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: So if you normally have say
a board with intel chipset and an nvidia gpu, in a vm you will have
"vbox chipset" and "vbox gpu". Which now need
drivers in that os, right?
2003 [10:58:25] <newbie|2> Anyway.. at the sceen with first
baby-steps of the process I chose "guilded - all ... and
encryption". Now it asks (under "Parition Disks")
ifto settle with "All files in one partition (recommended for
noobs)", or "separate /home, /var and /tmp
partitions" -- this last one.. I will prolly get around to
figuring that, right..? (not having to resort to the beginner-setup
(whole partionining diffe
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2007 [10:58:37] <newbie|2> m, k..
2008 [10:58:54] <Night_Elf> go will all
2009 [10:59:01] <Night_Elf> you're testing anyway
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2011 [10:59:31] <newbie|2> Threres a drop-down on the Vbox
windows, "install Guest Additions CD .. " that I can
select. I guess that may be in, and help somehwat...but not
accessible till after a bit?
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2014 [11:00:28] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: you will need the interacion
with the dropdown menus *after* your os install is completed.
2015 [11:00:36] <newbie|2> ...ill try have it separate home var
& tmp, then..k? - don't think it gets too tricky with taht
lil bit extra? I'm sure it does some good too... did something
similar ages ago, like one for Swap even,based on X amount of
memory.... or soemthing like thati can't remember,but providing
performance benefits possibly
2016 [11:00:40] <newbie|2> kk
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2022 [11:02:15] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: you get the benefits of
separate partitions when you're on real hardware. In a vm
you're always virtualised anyway, so the benefits are only if
you want to learn and see how the configs are done and all, but you
won't see much performance benefits.
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2024 [11:03:37] <newbie|2> this would potentially be long ahead in
time anyway.. but assuming i get comfy with basic networkin n all...
can Debian function well as a router of sorts? like..eventually get
one box like this, stuff in a dozen more NICs , and have this one as
an other relay in my network (for example forcing traffic thru a
certain VPN (the running on that box, with part routing
capabilities) and locked down sc
2025 [11:03:51] <newbie|2> ..strict to only route thru that
VPN's connection, or such..
2026 [11:03:55] <newbie|2> oh..hm
2027 [11:03:57] <newbie|2> k...
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2029 [11:04:18] <newbie|2> hm..alright.. maybe just do like this
anyawy, so I may get some kinda idea of how & why those extra
paritions are around heh
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2031 [11:06:25] <newbie|2> running VPN software on the same comp
seems unsafe, so many risky things, risk of leaking connection data
in various ways etc.. will feel better if can plug into an other box
(just like i'd do with my other router(s) anyway,.. and such
boxes having FDE and set to strct route traffic thru the VPN (or not
at all (no connection, then:.!))
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2036 [11:09:35] <newbie|2> guess that'll be one start n
something I'll try on early.. and eventuallu hope to replicate
and setup on a physical box (with NICs to accept plugs in/out as if
id plug in a router-- this standing between my comp and router then,
plugging my comp's wire in that box (in case id want the VPN
(or whatever) strict network & routing environment enforced for
all those plugged in...
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2039 [11:10:30] <newbie|2> (hopefully will be more secure that
way, and the box/router itself.. and easier to switch such (like
vpns, seperate ones for seperate uses. One to tunnel all traffic
thru TOR even maybe (anonymous internet surfing, or only for
.onion-domains)
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2042 [11:11:55] <newbie|2> apparently its possible to buy a cheap
home-router and flash it with some custom firmware to get some other
router/fw OS on it, with some of this functionality... but far from
as much as Id get from a box like this.. Id imagine more security
& control eventually, And, somehting those small router-boxes
never seem to tolerate either, is FDE/Full disk encryption as well,
and possibly various nested
2043 [11:12:15] <newbie|2> ...encrypted containiners opened after
(And only remain when in) use
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2045 [11:13:14] <newbie|2> bad witha ll these home routers
nowadays being a hassle to get rid of their antennas and kill+ their
wifi serves anad everything... plus paying needlessly when I usually
don't want wifi for most stuff anyway =S
2046 [11:13:55] <newbie|2> sry, i talk alot eh... hm.. imma stare
blankly nito the install sceren while the progress bar is slowly
ticking its way toards the finish line...hopefullly soon...... not
long......
2047 [11:15:09] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: It is not bad asking. It
just may happen that others are also busy and can't respond
immediately, so be patient. :)
2048 [11:15:18] <newbie|2> :-]
2049 [11:15:44] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: But yes, you can do the
router thing with debian. Actually with anyother distro to be
honest.
2050 [11:16:08] <newbie|2> cool..:)
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2053 [11:17:12] <newbie|2> can't exactly remember why I got
to Debian.. (or why I figured to get onto all this right now.. dled
this stuff (among others) a while back.. ).. unless any other much
more optimal for those things,unless something I can't get from
that on this I'd rather (also) have.. Hopefully Debian will
turn out to be a good choice..whatever the eventual up-sides may be,
im sure there was some i mighta forgot.
2054 [11:17:36] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: I recomend you do things one
at a time. Install something standard first. Then see what there is.
Then determine what you need more and check how to install the
software you need.
2055 [11:17:52] <newbie|2> mm.k... will try.. thanks again! =]
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2065 [11:21:33] <boxrick1> Does dpkg-reconfigure simply set the
debconf options or do some magic of pushing it all somewhere?
2066 [11:22:01] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: One reason for having
debian, for me is that the repositories of software are big. You can
find a lot of things. Probably any sort of software you will come
across in opensource, there's a good chance it exists packaged
for debian as well.
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2069 [11:22:44] <newbie|2> awesome, sounds good :-)))
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2072 [11:23:08] <jelly-home> boxrick1: those options are actually
used at package configure time in the install scripts. This can be
repeated using dpkg-reconfigure command.
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2074 [11:23:28] <newbie|2> big repos., meaning updated frequently
(as often as possible/anywhere) too, does it?
2075 [11:23:37] <jelly-home> boxrick1: the options themselves
don't do much at all during normal work
2076 [11:23:53] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: don't get much hopes
from eneterprisy things though. They usually release software for
commercial versions of distros such as redhat, suse, ubuntu, etc.
2077 [11:24:09] <newbie|2> k,but other apps?
2078 [11:24:28] <newbie|2> I prolly won't be buying much
heavy commercial bussinses apps kinda programs anyway, if thats what
u meant
2079 [11:24:49] <newbie|2> also, rather stick to open source stuff
as much as possible,too..
2080 [11:25:11] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: you certainly will be able
to run anything in debian, regardless what the packages are intended
towards, but the suppliers of such software will not really help you
and shun you with a "we don't support that".
2081 [11:25:30] <newbie|2> k..
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2084 [11:26:24] <newbie|2> k much time noobing around, and
clinging to reading around wherever . . . hopefully without
corrupting system files beyond recovery, or anything like that.. I
may eventually get some working still eh...
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2086 [11:26:25] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: It is just that you will
need to go a bit deeper if needed to make the tweaks such as the
software that expects redhat or ubuntu, to look for them and use
them like debian has.
2087 [11:26:42] <newbie|2> hm
2088 [11:26:44] <doublehp> stretch: how do i make some service
depend on mountall ? my webserver depends on NFS ...
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2091 [11:27:38] <newbie|2> not sure what I may need that for yet,
and if anything I may have issues getting to that others may not
have been looking around for previously and I can dig up info on, or
soemthing,but..hm.. hopefully nothing too serious,or that can't
be solved ....*some* way.. ! :]
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2093 [11:28:25] <newbie|2> may not have been = may have been *
(-sry, bit.."bad state of mind" atm..tired nstuff:s)
2094 [11:28:28] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: an example would be, say,
some software for redhat that in the end needs to perform a service
setup for start and stop and what not. If it uses
"chkconfig" for this, it will not work in debian as
there's no such command in debian.
2095 [11:28:43] <newbie|2> oh
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2097 [11:29:20] <newbie|2> but others have been looking around for
alternate ways to get similar functionality, patching together bits
of something else with similar functionality, or.. something.. to
still get that working somehow..ye?
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2101 [11:30:15] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: indeed. Especially when
you're in a begining stage, there's really not much that
you will come across that has been done countless of times from
others. :)
2102 [11:30:27] <Night_Elf> hasn't*
2103 [11:30:28] <newbie|2> :) hm=)
2104 [11:31:47] <newbie|2> thanks for all n good n still so
friendly asnwers btw.. :) and even consistently nice
grammar..kewl,nice:)
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2109 [11:32:32] <newbie|2> (unlike me at least, i meant.. sry prly
appears bad or weird at times...poor english (not my native
language)..:d)
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2111 [11:33:05] <newbie|2> you know many linuxes
(brands/strains/breeds/.. ) btw..?
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2115 [11:34:45] <bazhang> check distrowatch.com for an idea
newbie|2
2116 [11:34:49] <newbie|2> ... for more than a decade been
fantasizing about overwriting my Microsoft-copyrighted content on
disk, and leaving it behind for good... increasingly been wanting
this.... hopefully find motivation to get around to it somehow, soon
maybe.. ifnot deb (as main machine I used to have win on), an other
for that, if betters smoehow..not sure yet.. will see..!=) hope to
grasp more of this liunx stuff
2117 [11:35:04] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: I have been sticking to
debian, until the birth of a piece of software called systemd that
has me somehow look around a bit. :p
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2119 [11:35:35] <newbie|2> hm..name sounds familiar, maybe be I
was checkin theru there some timeback...anyway,mayb some good then..
, n by the sounds^ will do, thanks !
2120 [11:35:50] <newbie|2> Night_Elf: oo.. hm..!
2121 [11:35:50] <bazhang> Night_Elf, try #devuan then
2122 [11:36:10] <Night_Elf> bazhang: I have. Looks quite nice
actually.
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2127 [11:38:37] <Night_Elf> Reiterating question: I create a tap0
device with "tunctl". I then "ifconfing tap0
10.10.10.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 up". When I check with
"ip link show" it tells me that status is DOWN. This
happens in wheezy. When I do the same in jessie, the status is UP.
2128 [11:39:12] <boxrick1> jelly-home: Ok thanks, if I am setting
the options using debconf-set-selections then running
dkpg-reconfigure they appear to reset to default, can you think of
any good reason that may be ?
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2130 [11:39:32] <Night_Elf> I am doing this because I want to
connect gns3 and a virtual router to my machine itself. In my laptop
with jessie works. In my workstation with wheezy, it doesn't.
Any ideas?
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2136 [11:42:16] <Night_Elf> newbie|2: I need to use windows at
work. Outlook and active directory controlled content. So I have a
windows vm with virtualbox for this and only this, and the host
machine runs debian for everything else.
2137 [11:42:38] <newbie|2> lol, nice :d =)
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2193 [12:13:53] <newbie|2> I get the choice of.. Gnome, Xfce, KDE,
Cinnamon, MATE & LXDE. - Any quick suggestion for a good
all-round Desktop Environment thingy for a noob please ?
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2195 [12:14:19] <tinyhippo> newbie|2: gnome is pretty standard
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2198 [12:14:39] <newbie|2> k; cool, many thanks !
2199 [12:14:40] <missmbob> newbie|2: i'm a huge xfce
supporter
2200 [12:14:44] <newbie|2> hm
2201 [12:15:08] <missmbob> newbie|2: gnome gets in trouble when it
needs hw acceleration and it just doesn't run. xfce is light
and fast as hell
2202 [12:15:17] <newbie|2> standard may be boring..?:d
2203 [12:15:18] <newbie|2> oh
2204 [12:15:25] <newbie|2> xfce sounds nice, hm..
2205 [12:15:25] <tinyhippo> its not pretty though
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2207 [12:15:40] <newbie|2> does it have all functions/apps or
whatever..I'm not missinsg out on anything with that?
2208 [12:15:42] <kokuryu> xfce sure
2209 [12:15:46] <missmbob> newbie|2: yes
2210 [12:15:57] <tinyhippo> newbie|2: apps are separate to the
desktop environment
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2212 [12:16:29] <tinyhippo> in simple terms, the desktop
environment is the File Manager, a few system utilities, and the
"start menu"
2213 [12:16:31] <newbie|2> k..will try it. Xfce it is, then.
Cheers y'alll.. u have my thanks ! :-9
2214 [12:16:39] <kokuryu> If you want a fast, easy to customize
desktop enviroment xfce its your choice
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2218 [12:17:03] <newbie|2> cool ^_^
2219 [12:17:03] <kokuryu> have fun! @newbie|2
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2221 [12:17:11] <newbie|2> :)
2222 [12:17:34] <kokuryu> Im a debian user since 2010 and started
with KDE
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2230 [12:21:32] <kokuryu> did someone ever try to install FAH
client in debian?
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2232 [12:22:35] <missmbob> kokuryu: a long time ago, yeah. i wrote
prion
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2234 [12:23:34] <pragomer_1> my volume-function-keys dont work
under jessie with xfce. what can I do?
2235 [12:23:34] <missmbob> kokuryu:
replaced-url
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2241 [12:24:51] <kokuryu> missmbob: nice job!
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2243 [12:25:11] <kokuryu> Did you know about Curecoin project
2244 [12:25:30] <missmbob> no. i haven't touched any of that
stuff in a few years
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2247 [12:26:05] <kokuryu> now you can earn criptocurrecies for the
folding job!!
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2249 [12:26:50] <missmbob> kokuryu: really off topic. there is
#debian-offtopic for non-support questions
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2256 [12:28:42] <kokuryu> missmbob: sorry, nobody was chatting so
i was talking about the posiblity to create an debian soft to manage
curecoin
2257 [12:28:47] <kokuryu> its that offtopic?
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2268 [12:33:54] <Drzacek> Hi, I'm trying to install vmware
tools on my debian guest machine, and it complains that gcc binary
path is bad. I have gcc installed and I provide /usr/bin/gcc path
(it is there, I swear!), still get error that it is invalid. Any
ideas?
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2270 [12:35:18] <kokuryu> did you try "apt-get install
build-essential"
2271 [12:35:19] <missmbob> Drzacek: generally that's
complaining about headers. so sudo apt-get install
linux-headers-`uname -r`
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2275 [12:35:50] <Drzacek> kokuryu, yes
2276 [12:36:00] <Drzacek> missmbob, already installed
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2280 [12:36:10] <missmbob> Drzacek: then pastebin the output
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2284 [12:37:14] <pingfloyd> entire output
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2286 [12:37:35] <Drzacek> of what, the vmware install?
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2289 [12:38:00] <pingfloyd> no, the tools install
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2291 [12:38:35] <missmbob> btw you should probably be using the
tools debian comes with instead. such as open-vm-tools and
open-vm-tools-desktop. might make things much easier
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2295 [12:39:06] <Drzacek>
replaced-url
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2298 [12:39:32] <Drzacek> missmbob, didn't knew there were
any
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2303 [12:41:07] <missmbob> Drzacek: try it. also what's the
output of dpkg -l build-essential ?
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2306 [12:42:04] <danielmx> when printing and iadd printer and
select find printer it keeps repeating ip address until the printer
software ceases up
2307 [12:42:33] <Drzacek>
replaced-url
2308 [12:42:41] <Drzacek> missmbob, ^
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2310 [12:43:43] <missmbob> Drzacek: oh you're running
testing/sid. that makes more sense
2311 [12:43:45] <missmbob> !debian-next
2312 [12:43:46] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2316 [12:45:53] <pingfloyd> Drzacek: have you installed make and
the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package?
2317 [12:46:06] <Drzacek> pingfloyd, yes
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2319 [12:48:05] <pingfloyd> what about libglib2.0-0?
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2328 [12:55:02] <Drzacek> pingfloyd, "already newest
version"
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2330 [12:56:42] <missmbob> Drzacek: did the open-vm-tools work?
2331 [12:56:53] <Drzacek> missmbob, gonna try them now
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2343 [13:02:23] <spleen> Hell all
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2346 [13:02:42] <spleen> how to know whish package create a folder
?
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2349 [13:03:22] <spleen> In fact, i am looking for the package
that created the '/etc/php5/conf.d/' folder
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2351 [13:03:31] <spleen> it doest seems to be "php5"
2352 [13:03:59] <colo-work> spleen, try `dpks -S
/etc/php5/conf.d/`
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2357 [13:05:29] <CM707> Hey, recently I re-installed debian on my
home server and I've had a fairbit of trouble with internet
access. Whenever I try to ping an outside address (e.g. 8.8.8.8) it
replies with "Destination host unreachable). I've tried
changing the /etc/network/interfaces file to static and provided the
gateway info, etc but it still fails to ping outside destinations
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2364 [13:08:14] <spleen> colo-work, dpkg-query: no path found
matching pattern /etc/php5/conf.d
2365 [13:08:31] <colo-work> then it might just be created by a
postinst/preinst script
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2386 [13:15:56] <Iridos> spleen, you might ponder upon the output
of apt-file show /etc/php5/conf.d ( /msg dpkg apt-file )
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2408 [13:24:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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2411 [13:25:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am having an issue i cant seem to
get my droplet to talk to my https at home, i think i got a FW issue
but i cant find it
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2413 [13:25:54] <gry> what error message do you get?
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2415 [13:26:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> i have been trying to find one..
2416 [13:26:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> nothing on console when i try to
ssh or through browser just times out
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2419 [13:26:54] <gry> 'connection timed out' is it,
thanks
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2428 [13:31:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> i see nothing in the webserver logs
nothing
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2430 [13:31:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> can you guys get to
replaced-url
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2432 [13:32:08] <Iridos> yes
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2434 [13:32:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> guuu
2435 [13:32:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> damn
2436 [13:32:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> so its my ip
2437 [13:33:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> i disable ufw and fail2ban and
moved hosts.allow to a .old
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2439 [13:33:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> what else could it be??
2440 [13:33:26] * Eryn_1983_FL slams head on the desk
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2442 [13:33:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> why why why
2443 [13:33:47] <Iridos> from where are you accessing it? from the
same machine?
2444 [13:33:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> no my home pc to my droplet webpage
2445 [13:34:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> wait. let me check apache2
configs..
2446 [13:34:10] <Iridos> also, what you posted isn't https
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2448 [13:34:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> http
2449 [13:34:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> its just nagios
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2451 [13:34:59] <Iridos> [13:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am having
an issue i cant seem to get my droplet to talk to my https
<-----------------
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2453 [13:36:03] <Iridos> and yes, I cannot connect to https either
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2455 [13:36:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok,
2456 [13:36:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> well its only http i meant http my
bad
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2459 [13:36:51] <fkup> Good evenin'
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2461 [13:37:56] <fkup> I am a newcomer to Debian tbh.., just got
to explore everything short while ago, and while I've done
similar b4, am quite excited as seems fairly easy and very nice.
Possibly something I'll replicate in some ways for other comps
of mine in the future..
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2465 [13:38:05] <fkup> WHere can I find files to download, like..
popular/common ones?
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2467 [13:38:17] <fkup> And also, if any popular alternate repos
for even more downloads?
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2469 [13:38:36] <fkup> So far I've been doing "apt-cache
search firefox" for example (to list everything related to
firefox prety much.....)
2470 [13:38:42] <missmbob> !tell fkup about dont break debian
2471 [13:38:47] <Iridos> and it's just authenticating you so
actually it should be https
2472 [13:38:51] <fkup> and such.. not always too convenient to go
thru the search results there tho
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2475 [13:39:42] <missmbob> fkup: debian isn't meant to have a
million ppa's like ubuntu. you'll break things pretty
quickly that way
2476 [13:39:53] <fkup> hm, sry what do you mean?
2477 [13:39:56] <fkup> "ppa"?
2478 [13:40:01] <fkup> how'd i break anything..? =s
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2480 [13:40:10] <Iridos> but we do have main contrib non-free
2481 [13:40:18] <fkup> not that i'd neccessarily install
everything, but..:d'
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2483 [13:40:24] <Iridos> and there's also ex-volatile and
security
2484 [13:40:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> there isn't anything in my
iptables blocking me
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2488 [13:41:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> don't get this..
2489 [13:41:44] <fkup> one addon I saw, for example,
("xul-ext-gnome-keyring", descr; "store Mozilla
passwords in a GNOME Keyring") -- would I be eligible for use
of any such GNOME-functions/features, considering I chose the GUI
"Xfce" rather (than Gnome) ?
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2491 [13:42:05] <Iridos> fkup, hm, can you paste (into
replaced-url
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2495 [13:43:16] <fkup> Iridos; hang on
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2501 [13:45:57] <fkup> sry still workin on ... (to get the output
text here...)
2502 [13:46:01] <fkup> w8 up.
2503 [13:46:11] <fredl> Anybody want to pick up
replaced-url
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2508 [13:47:47] <fkup> sry doing a shutdown n reboot on it... to
hopefulyl enable me more easily copy / paste back n forth frmo it,
sharing files between it n this comp etc more easily..take a min or
two tleast ,sry
2509 [13:47:50] <fkup> ..if still around.. ^
2510 [13:48:00] <fredl> oops
2511 [13:48:04] <fredl> wrong window :)
2512 [13:48:09] <fkup> anyway, if helps.. cant remember but i did
see some list of links when I typed the tail -n9 ..
2513 [13:48:28] <missmbob> doesn't help at all
2514 [13:48:33] <missmbob> !tell fkup about pastebinit
2515 [13:49:53] <fkup> yeah i would if I could only get it copied
n pasted...
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2517 [13:50:02] <missmbob> read what the bot said
2518 [13:50:21] <fkup> i just got lynx as browser on the box so
far, unless theres some built-in one there too (i dno, just got lynx
for a quick --dump earlier to verify it could get on web pages)
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2520 [13:50:28] <fkup> sry sec ill see..
2521 [13:50:33] <missmbob> there is
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2526 [13:51:11] <fkup> ..oh! pastebin*it*.. sounds like a nice
app.. sry I didn't catch that at first. I'll get that asap
then, sounds kewl
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2530 [13:53:15] <fkup> ..till its back up n R again.. anyway, I
did some quick downloads.. like the firewall "ufw"; and I
did some quick (prly useless,but) rules like deny tcp 25, 110 etc..
(common mail ports (incas malicious spammers would try trix on my
box!)).... would this be a good way and just supplementing iptables,
or is it a simpler, worse version anyway, than simply using
iptables.?
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2532 [13:54:07] <fkup> i can't remember all the iptables
commands but it was much more elaborative..just thought of it after
seeing the gui version of that firewall... seemed quite basic.. does
is inhibit or even stop iptables functioning... or.. uh, that
firewall any worthwhile having at all..? cant ermember where, but on
some site.. "post debian install tips"-kinda place
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2542 [14:00:06] <fkup> Iridos:
replaced-url
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2552 [14:01:10] <fkup> sry, that was overly late reply..not sure
if still around,but..meh:x anyway..did find out about and learn n
setup that pastebinit! one v useful thing Ive been missing even when
on windows.. very convenient.. just gotta be careful with that
default-upload to there (if shown public) or afraid i may end up
dumping my .. passwordds or something,eventually,haha
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2554 [14:02:00] <fkup> imma... uh, go play more wiwth the..
apt-cache search and stuff i find there to install i guess.. still
alot of things.,if not the easiest way to read and find new stuff
etc. but. ^_^
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2556 [14:03:36] <fkup> oohh.. actually.. sry,guess ive bn kinda
dumb, heh.. just noticed there are already a load of prorgams
already included.. not sure if standard on Debian or this Xfxcr
thing I got (desktop look/setup)... like Firefox (browser), it
appears.. (just asying "Firefox ESR"..whatever that last
bit means..)
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2562 [14:05:07] <fkup> for desktop use, any simple common pgp
tools, keyring, encryption container etc. that is commonly used and
convenient and any such considered superior and recommended,
possibly easily used without much hassle, for sevreal things etc..?
(for signing messages or files, verifying files, decrypting etc..,
while keeping it all (priv key, keyring content etc?) somewhat safe)
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2566 [14:07:40] <fkup> apparently the openvpn one'd get by
apt-get'ting it without changes after a fresh install is
possibly not the latest version? one hardened-guide affiliated with
openvpn server setup/config linkd to
replaced-url
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2572 [14:09:05] <fkup> ..hopefully all openssl,tsl etc. versions
are good and it know what certs/authorities to trust or not, n
such...? I'd hope.. dunno how old the "default"
openvpn-server version would be, but in changelog for newest appears
to be some nice major fixes..... unsure if to bother trying to set
it up w those new repos as suggested there (just to try,dun rly need
openvpn on it atm anyway..)
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2580 [14:11:20] <fkup> anyone knows.:? also.about the firewall,
"ufw" -- is this an acceptable and worthwhile prorgam to
have..? (gui version too?), or think it'd be better to simply
get used to syntax of managing iptables to set routing,
block/accept/drop etc. in a more..elaborate manner..? (the fw seems
simply..may be nice for quick easy jobs, but... wouldn't want
it if it'd inhibit functioning of iptables any)
2581 [14:11:57] <Iridos> fkup, you are only using the
"main" repository right now, which is "Debian"
and consists to 100% of FOSS software. If you edit that file (i.e.
/etc/apt/sources.list ), and change "main" to "main
contrib non-free" on all lines, there are two additional
repositories that contain non-free software and (for
"contrib") software that is free, but depends in some way
on non-free software
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2583 [14:12:18] <fkup> -..i think... kinda new to it all still =S
(sry btw, saying new...im v new to nix, buuut... have setup n messed
w much .. all kindsa stuff, on many kinda boxes thru the years, but
prty much only ever over putty.exe (boxes being servers, and far
away..), so know a lil as such:d
2584 [14:12:25] <fkup> ooh..
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2587 [14:12:51] <Iridos> fkup, and you probably want to delete the
line starting with "deb cdrom: " because you probably
don't want to keep using the install CD
2588 [14:12:56] <fkup> but "non-free".. what does that
mean, could it be regrettable to make that change if I am not
planing to pay anything for any apps (for now at least) ?
2589 [14:13:22] <fkup> o.. :o lol, yeah... had that issue wondered
bout that cd thingwhen booting now:S
2590 [14:13:22] <Iridos> it can mean all kinds of things
2591 [14:13:23] <fkup> thanks
2592 [14:13:25] <fkup> sec lmc..
2593 [14:13:39] <Iridos> you have to look at each package to see
what it means
2594 [14:13:59] <fkup> k
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2597 [14:14:24] <Iridos> and yes, some programs like
"rar" in there are shareware and you are supposed to
register and pay for that after 40 days
2598 [14:14:28] <fkup> the fact its not Open Source dosen't
neeccesariuly mean its pay-ware, simply closed-source and may be
many useful good things there still eh?
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2606 [14:15:25] <fkup> hm,k... pretty sure ive seen other programs
dealing with .rar... not sure,but..aren't there? think should
be! (not that ivm tring hard to sneak away from supporting the
rarlabs (or whoever made it) :P, buuut, will be trying to find ways
around as such mostly i think
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2608 [14:15:50] <Iridos> and yes… non-free can contain all
kinds of things… often just licenses that mean you can use it
for free but that don't qualify as FOSS
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2612 [14:16:09] <fkup> ..or some alternate (free) softawre doing
that ^.. prty sure I saw some time, could be wrong tho. Stupidly
have been playing games and doing drugs overly much for too
long,..forgetting/forgotten too much of these things I used to
remember better :|
2613 [14:16:13] <Iridos> you can see that for rar (if you have
non-free) if you do apt-cache show rar
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2615 [14:16:20] <fkup> k. . cool. thanks again for good infoz
btw:))
2616 [14:16:24] <fkup> o
2617 [14:16:26] <fkup> k
2618 [14:16:27] <fkup> nice
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2620 [14:17:08] <Iridos> that's only rar, unrar isn't
shareware
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2626 [14:18:26] <Iridos> you can see what versions are available
to you and in what repo they are with e.g. apt-cache madison rar
2627 [14:18:36] <Iridos> or apt-cache madison steam (which is also
in non-free)
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2629 [14:18:57] <themill> (or ask judd!)
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2632 [14:20:20] <fkup> oh
2633 [14:20:58] <fkup> nice... good info.. thnx again, n for being
so patient with me n my (im sure) stupid questions n all.... :)
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2638 [14:22:17] <fkup> are you contributing somehow back
eventually, or assume many may be able to..? ifnot
developing/innovating new softwarte or something.. somehow, some
good that comes from a community eventually , of noobs like me i
mean, besides leeching of info as such?^ seems draining.. and, as I
pay nothing for any of this...i like it all, just..hopefully will be
sustainable..! would n will help when i can!
2639 [14:22:23] <fkup> ..afarid may be a awhile still tho :d
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2644 [14:23:22] <jair> hello all :) I have been fighting with this
simple thing... I am trying to make my user back to the default:
uid=1000(jbolivar) gid=119(bluetooth)
groups=119(bluetooth),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),130(sambashare)
2645 [14:23:48] <fkup> contributing, i mean like these.. open
source things... seems like a gazillion people are being overly
generous, where they cuold have asked for money for their work
instead... kinda suggests returning the same behavior, whenev poss
at least.. or mayybe they were all just already rich and felt like
bein generous :d
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2647 [14:24:25] <jair> but whatever I do I can't change the
gid=119(bluetooth) groups=119(bluetooth) to gid=1000(jbolivar)
groups=1000(jbolivar)
2648 [14:24:34] <jair> what is going on???
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2650 [14:25:00] <jair> I tried all the commands gpasswd usermod -g
-G -u restart after and nothing
2651 [14:25:23] <jair> how can I make the system tp be back to
default: gid=1000(jbolivar) groups=1000(jbolivar)
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2658 [14:28:44] <jair> jbolivar ~ # usermod -u 1000 jbolivar
2659 [14:28:44] <jair> usermod: no changes
2660 [14:28:46] <jair> ?
2661 [14:28:50] <jair> why????
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2664 [14:29:22] <jair> jbolivar@jbolivar ~ $ id
2665 [14:29:22] <jair> uid=1000(jbolivar) gid=119(bluetooth)
groups=119(bluetooth),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),130(sambashare)
2666 [14:29:25] <jeddi> jair: first two words in output of
'id' ?
2667 [14:29:40] <jeddi> jair maybe slow down on the pasting to
this channel
2668 [14:29:47] <jair> sure
2669 [14:29:59] <jair> I am not understanding what you are trying
to say?
2670 [14:29:59] <jeddi> jair: grep jbolivar /etc/group -- output
of same please to pastebin
2671 [14:30:06] <jair> OK
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2673 [14:30:18] <jair> jeddi: as root?
2674 [14:30:30] <jeddi> there should be a line that says
'jbolivar:x:1000:'
2675 [14:30:50] <jeddi> jair: /etc/group is world readable.
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2678 [14:31:42] <jair> jeddi:
replaced-url
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2682 [14:32:27] <jeddi> jair: output of 'grep jbolivar
/etc/passwd' too please (again, world-readable)
2683 [14:32:57] <jair> ok
2684 [14:32:59] <jeddi> i'm guessing jbolivar:x:1000:119
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2688 [14:33:45] <jair> jeddi: correct -->
jbolivar:x:1000:119:Jair Bolivar,,,:/home/jbolivar:/bin/bash
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2690 [14:34:34] <jeddi> jair: one last one - output of 'grep
1000 /etc/group' - more than one line?
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2692 [14:35:28] <jair> jeddi: nope just this line -->
jbolivar:x:1000:
2693 [14:35:45] <jeddi> jair: i'd be tempted to just (as
root) edit /etc/passwd and change your gid to 1000 then. that should
fix you. logout and in again as jbolivar and confirm with
'id'
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2696 [14:36:06] <jeddi> did you run a chgrp or similar a while
back with the bluetooth gid?
2697 [14:36:28] <jair> jeddi: yep, while troubleshooting issues
with bluetooth
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2701 [14:36:41] <jeddi> jair: aha. well, whatever you did,
don't do it again :)
2702 [14:36:49] <jair> ^^
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2712 [14:39:14] <jair> jeddi: will be right back
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2721 [14:42:39] <ftpuser> Hi all. I have to setup vsftpd with
SSLv3/TLS1.x support. Unfortunately, afaik the SSLv3 support has
been droppen in OpenSSL. Do I have to recompile vsftpd and openssl
or is there an easier way?
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2723 [14:43:59] <epsilon> use the stock package or compile with
current packages to be sure. ssl had quiet many bug fixes in last
months
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2728 [14:45:57] <ftpuser> epsilon: I'm running the current
stable versions from the jessie repository. Is vsftpd or openssl
limiting here?
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2731 [14:47:40] <missmbob> ftpuser: not in jessie it hasn't.
to disable it you will have to recompile
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2733 [14:48:01] <jair> jeddi: hi there all good now in terms of
the username and group
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2735 [14:48:04] <jair> jeddi:
2736 [14:48:18] <jair> jbolivar@jbolivar /home $ id
2737 [14:48:18] <jair> uid=1000(jbolivar) gid=1000(jbolivar)
groups=1000(jbolivar),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),130(sambashare)
2738 [14:48:34] <ftpuser> missmbob: I know it's bad, but
actually I have to enable SSLv3. Can't get it working whereas
TLS works fine
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2740 [14:49:10] <jair> jeddi: thank you so much, however I noticed
that all the files everything owned by me my home directory etc...
is owned by jbolivar but group "bluetooth"
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2742 [14:49:31] <jair> to fix this... in the safest possible way?
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2749 [14:50:28] <jair> jeddi: something like (as root chown -R
jbolivar:jbolivar /home/jbolivar ?
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2752 [14:51:13] <jeddi> jair: yup that's the right command.
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2754 [14:51:32] <jair> jeddi: thank you so much
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2756 [14:51:39] <iamawesome> Hi, is it possible to boot kernel
from subfolder?
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2760 [14:52:26] <iamawesome> kernel is in
/home/user1/custom_linux/boot/vmlinuz
root=UUID=f1640a39-dd8b-4633-8d42-92f7bc0e395b rw , is it possible ,
will it work?
2761 [14:52:28] <jeddi> jair: you may have some files in /tmp and
/var/tmp that are owned by you ... the former will be flushed on the
next reboot, the latter shouldn't be a problem (the only thing
I've got in /var/tmp is my kdecache-jedd directory, f.e, which
I expect is snotted / rebuilt on logout / login)
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2764 [14:52:58] <jair> jeddi: excellent :)
2765 [14:53:04] <jair> jeddi: really appreciate it
2766 [14:53:05] <jeddi> iamawesome: is that file system visible at
boot?
2767 [14:53:23] <jeddi> jair: all good - appreciate it can be a
bit unsettling when things go weird.
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2770 [14:54:22] <jair> jeddi: ^^ have a good evening I am heading
out now. Thank you so much and GOD bless you and people like you
2771 [14:54:26] <jair> take care
2772 [14:54:29] <jair> bye bye
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2776 [14:55:16] <iamawesome> jeddi: Which filesystem?
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2779 [14:55:54] <jeddi> iamawesome: /home/user1/custom_linux/boot/
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2781 [14:56:33] <jeddi> iamawesome: i am guessing not :)
2782 [14:56:42] <jeddi> iamawesome: but easy enough to test to
prove out for yourself, yes?
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2784 [14:57:13] <Kitty> Where can I find a debian 7 mirror? Seems
all those in the list are no longer there
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2786 [14:57:18] <jeddi> iamawesome: typically /boot is the only fs
available at boot.
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2794 [15:00:39] <N0v4> anybody awake in here?? anybody in to
hacking, like the NCL thing? where you use different Kali tools to
decipher different puzzles?
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2798 [15:02:57] <fkup> N0v4: sry I prolly can't help, no idea
what you mean by puzzles for example.. but please elaborate, and may
be easier to find out more-if any1 may be able as such..?
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2800 [15:03:23] <fkup> "NCL thing"? what did you try so
far, why did u eventually think it wasn't workign ..
2801 [15:03:39] <Brigo> ask!
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2803 [15:03:53] <N0v4> pardon?
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2806 [15:04:39] <fkup> sry i mean't to say, maybe some1 would
be able to give info or help somehow if u gave some moer info on
what u're after, or having problems with
2807 [15:04:45] <Brigo> N0v4, this is a Debian support channel, if
you have a question about Debian just ask (and Kali is not Debian)
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2809 [15:05:21] <stoned> Good morning
2810 [15:05:37] <stoned> N0v4: kali is offtopic here
2811 [15:05:39] <fkup> yeah I'd guess they have some other
IRC that'll be more useful to ya N0v4 if maybe simply missed
that
2812 [15:05:51] <stoned> N0v4: if you wish to learn how to use
security tools, please read their documentation or join ##security
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2818 [15:06:18] <stoned> If you need help with your debian stable
distribution in any manner, you're welcoem to ask here.
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2820 [15:06:54] <stoned> !sources.list
2821 [15:06:54] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
2822 [15:07:01] <fkup> pff, and still didn't say what he
meant by that =s
2823 [15:07:13] <stoned> Kitty: ^
2824 [15:07:27] <stoned> Kitty: use httpredir.debian.org as your
mirror
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2826 [15:07:51] <fkup> jsut wondering, im totally n00b to all
this.. I have Debian 8.5, why (unless v unusual case..) would anyone
want a version lower of the OS?
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2828 [15:08:13] <stoned> many reasons which would not apply to you
as a user.
2829 [15:08:22] <fkup> anything missing or much different in
Debian 8.5 that'd be reason for some to de-grade? Is that lower
version still considered stable and reliable,secure ?
2830 [15:08:28] <fkup> o
2831 [15:08:29] <stoned> No
2832 [15:08:38] <stoned> Simply security updates which you
*should* get.
2833 [15:08:45] <bezaban> fkup: on a stable track not really
unless very specific edge cases. You should/could upgrade to 8.6
though :)
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2835 [15:09:02] <fkup> oh really.. so for like an internet server
u'd alawys want the newest, right..
2836 [15:09:07] <bezaban> but you'd usually solve that by
pinning a package version, not by stopping installing updates
2837 [15:09:08] <stoned> no
2838 [15:09:13] <stoned> Wrong again, unfortuantely
2839 [15:09:15] <stoned> Not 'new'.
2840 [15:09:24] <stoned> Stable/secure/updated w/
patches/security/hardened
2841 [15:09:32] <missmbob> !httpredir issues
2842 [15:09:32] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad
mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly
choosing a mirror: "deb
replaced-url
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2844 [15:09:44] <stoned> !mirrors
2845 [15:09:44] <dpkg> Debian mirror sites are listed at
replaced-url
2846 [15:09:52] <stoned> Get a list there
2847 [15:09:54] <fkup> 8.6?! :O i thought i downloaded this(and
burnt onto a CD) just like.. i dno.. week or few ago... is there an
upgrade frmo 8.5 already that I should upgrade to? "apt-get
update && apt-get upgrade-dist" or something like that
was it..?
2848 [15:10:08] <stoned> There is also an apt program I forgot
which tests hops to all the mirros and you can select the closet one
to you
2849 [15:10:11] <stoned> I forgot the name.
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2852 [15:11:17] <fkup> oo, nice..
2853 [15:11:25] <missmbob> fkup: apt-get upgrade would work
2854 [15:11:26] <stoned>
replaced-url
2855 [15:11:39] <stoned> Feel free to modify to your needs.
2856 [15:11:44] <stoned> Read and see what I'm doing.
2857 [15:11:57] <stoned> But in short, apt-get update &&
apt-get upgrade
2858 [15:12:06] <stoned> You don't need dist or full upgrade
optins
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2860 [15:12:10] <stoned> That's implied
2861 [15:12:29] <fkup> during install i used this...
"netinst" i tihnk it was called--it just got some from the
CD I had, and downloaded the rest (lots of updates). It asked me for
my location (Kingdom of Norway) and listed few mirrors here taht it
appeared to intend using for those updates.. shouldn't it be
set already or still for me now then, or?
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2863 [15:12:45] <fkup> missmbob: thx!..writing down..will try that
shortly,then
2864 [15:12:46] <stoned> Should be.
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2866 [15:12:55] <fkup> i
2867 [15:13:05] <gry> '
2868 [15:13:05] <fkup> o*
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2871 [15:13:09] <stoned> \o/
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2873 [15:13:26] <fkup> hm.. sry im kinda slow n dumb i guess..:s
many thanks, folks.. :))
2874 [15:13:37] <stoned> I'm kinda stoned and awesome.
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2876 [15:13:41] <stoned> It's cool. You're alright.
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2879 [15:14:50] <stoned> fkup: you can come off as not dumb (not
that you are or you do). 'sry' 'n' :)) (extra
panetheses)
2880 [15:14:53] <fkup> :d
2881 [15:14:57] <stoned> *shrug* I observe.
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2884 [15:15:09] <fkup> ooh.
2885 [15:15:20] <stoned> Take the time to speak well.
2886 [15:15:23] <fkup> think I should put more effort into typijng
better?
2887 [15:15:27] <stoned> You'll be taken more seriosly by the
world.
2888 [15:15:31] <stoned> IMO, yes.
2889 [15:15:34] <fkup> hm:)
2890 [15:15:42] <stoned> :)
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2906 [15:18:36] <fkup> Heard that quite alot of times past year(s)
actually.. you just said it in a much nicer way, I think..:P :) ..
will try..! (I've said that some times before as well,but:)
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2913 [15:19:29] <missmbob> it's "a lot" not
"alot" since we're talking about proper speak :P
2914 [15:19:32] <fkup> Just gotta bare with my poor english
(grammar,spelling) for now though I'm afraid.
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2916 [15:19:49] <fkup> hm, it is..? always? "a lot"
<- that space
2917 [15:20:04] <missmbob> yes, always
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2920 [15:20:22] <fkup> urgh...I guess my spelling I's full of
mistakes then... surely
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2923 [15:20:56] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2925 [15:21:09] <fkup> hmh! interesting.. I occasionally google up
english definition, comparison, synonyms etc. of words, but
that's one I prolly wouldn't have thought to, and never
knew.. such a basic simple now. I'll remember that! Thanks:P
2926 [15:21:28] <blug> is there any frontend for chown and chmod
to setup ownership && permissions in one step or do I have
to write a script for myself?
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2928 [15:21:39] <gry> :D greycat , fkup
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2931 [15:22:12] <fkup> "a lot" ... huh. Not just
me,then.. must have picked that up from others.. I'd wager a
lot of people being careless or maybe are simple also simply lacking
awareness of appropriate spelling
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2937 [15:22:58] <al3xv3gas> guys how do I make a debian package
out of a python script?
2938 [15:23:22] <greycat> !nmg
2939 [15:23:22] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
2940 [15:23:44] <blug> al3xv3gas:
replaced-url
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2942 [15:24:00] <missmbob> fkup: i blame the school system
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2944 [15:24:36] <blug> missmbob: the school system is set up to
systematically fuck up people's minds
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2946 [15:25:40] <greycat> When I was in school, we had to spell
things correctly. We got lower grades if we didn't.
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2948 [15:26:23] <missmbob> same here. we're old though.
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2956 [15:30:30] <stoned> greycat: haha
2957 [15:30:47] <fkup> missmbob: U'd prolly disagree if I
were to elaborate.. but I'd blame our differences; humans
eventually, and our diversities, though again these being good for
other things, and what enables other progress.. Not as much the
school system, individuals or society at whole, I guess....
We're just kinda..human, after all.. :d so much fked up
stuff...ignorance is bliss idd..^^
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2959 [15:30:56] <stoned> greycat: I went to St. Anthony's in
Pakistan. Taught by nuns and strict British teachers.
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2961 [15:31:12] <stoned> Education now these days mostly sucks.
2962 [15:31:16] <missmbob> they let you get stoned in pakistan?
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2965 [15:31:20] <stoned> But that's neither here nor there.
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2967 [15:31:29] <stoned> Dude. Cannabis originated in Pakistan
2968 [15:31:32] <stoned> Kush Valley
2969 [15:31:35] <stoned> But anymore
2970 [15:31:37] <stoned> i mean anyway
2971 [15:31:41] <greycat> If they stoned him in Pakistan,
he'd probably be dead....
2972 [15:31:47] <missmbob> heh
2973 [15:31:50] <blug> I hope you're getting stoned by using
Debian! Otherwise your discussion is offtopic!
2974 [15:31:51] <stoned> ha
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2976 [15:32:00] <stoned> since 2000 man.
2977 [15:32:01] <missmbob> blug: believe me, he's stoned
2978 [15:32:08] <stoned> I been here longer than most of
ya'll.
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2981 [15:32:16] <stoned> well, 2001~ish
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2984 [15:33:11] <stoned> Not that it makes me special. Just old.
Ha.
2985 [15:33:26] <fkup> I believe Cannabis is found naturally in
large parts of the world, Pakistan is far from alone. Pretty much
all over the world even.
2986 [15:33:34] <stoned> fkup: ##stoned
2987 [15:33:50] * gry hugs stoned
2988 [15:33:57] * stoned hugs gry <3
2989 [15:34:06] <Iridos> it actually _is_ offtopic… and
there's a wonderful #debian-offtopic channel which is pretty
quiet right now
2990 [15:34:12] <gry> yes
2991 [15:34:25] <stoned> I don't discuss Cannabis anywhere
but ##stoned
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2993 [15:34:35] <stoned> IRC channels are topical for a reason.
2994 [15:34:58] <blug> that's my hemp bread:
replaced-url
2995 [15:34:59] <themill> let's make it so...
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2998 [15:35:14] <fkup> Probably a good thing. Be unfortunate to be
bad influence on ppl in here idd.
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3001 [15:35:38] * greycat wonders what the hell "idd" is
3002 [15:35:41] <stoned> Well, I'm not changing my nick. I
just don't engage in stoner discussion any longer. I'm not
20 anymore. Been 15 years. People change.
3003 [15:35:49] <fkup> (drugs are bad,mmkay^..smoking doesn't
help much, either)
3004 [15:35:50] <tinyhippo> greycat: typo for did?
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3007 [15:35:57] <tinyhippo> greycat: or maybe indeed
3008 [15:36:09] <fkup> oh.. sorry! I keep forgetting I should try
spell better. Btw greycat I meant "indeed"
3009 [15:36:18] <themill> stoned: I'd appreciate actually
seeing that in action rather than words. Thanks.
3010 [15:36:29] <stoned> themill: scroll up.
3011 [15:36:37] <stoned> Let's not do this.
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3013 [15:36:54] <stoned> *afk*
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3026 [15:44:57] <Muted> Hi, I'm trying to setup my pc as
Bluetooth SPP server and simply output the messages I'm
receiving from my android phone. Is there an easy way to do this?
I've tried rfcomm bind/listen and some other things found
online but to no success. Thanks!
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3030 [15:49:48] <talin> hello. debian jessie crashes randomly
during install... this box has run debian in the past. ubuntu
works... any tips? i'm starting it without graphical
environment... no VESA framebuffer stuff
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3033 [15:50:44] <missmbob> talin: how did you copy the iso?
3034 [15:50:50] <greycat> All I can think of is to make sure
it's the latest jessie installer, with a kernel that has the
USB fixes.
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3038 [15:52:03] <greycat> There was a major jessie kernel upgrade
on... looks like July 4.
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3069 [16:02:22] <nettly> hi
3070 [16:02:25] <nettly> deb
replaced-url
3071 [16:02:29] <nettly> why doesn't this work?
3072 [16:02:31] <nettly> malformed?
3073 [16:02:40] <nettly> it looks correct to me though
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3079 [16:03:58] <missmbob> nettly: because it's wrong.
replaced-url
3080 [16:04:11] <missmbob> nettly: and there is no
backports-sloppy
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3086 [16:05:49] <nettly> missmbob: the reason why I try to use
"sloppy":
replaced-url
3087 [16:05:54] <nettly> I am confused now :/
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3090 [16:08:13] <talin> missmbob: dd, like the handbook say
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3092 [16:08:25] <talin> greycat: okay. thank you
3093 [16:08:38] <missmbob> talin: install guide actually says cp
but dd will work
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3099 [16:11:00] <TomTomTo1> nettly: that should be deb
replaced-url
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3101 [16:11:20] <nettly> TomTomTo1: why is the deb-src line
different?
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3104 [16:12:04] <TomTomTo1> what deb-src line? different in what
way?
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3110 [16:14:03] <nettly> TomTomTo1:
3111 [16:14:11] <nettly> deb
replaced-url
3112 [16:14:11] <nettly> deb
replaced-url
3113 [16:14:17] <nettly> sorry
3114 [16:14:19] <troffasky> nettly, deb is for binaries, deb-src
is for source packages
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3117 [16:15:13] <troffasky> if you don't know which you want,
you almost certainly want binaries
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3119 [16:15:16] <nettly> TomTomTo1, troffasky: What I mean:
replaced-url
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3121 [16:15:24] <nettly> sorry for the confusion - no src
3122 [16:15:32] <nettly> but why are there two lines that are
slightly different?
3123 [16:15:35] <nettly> I never used such a thing
3124 [16:15:43] <nettly> usually you only have one line per
"aspect"
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3127 [16:15:56] <greycat> One is wheezy-backports and the other is
wheezy-backports-sloppy which I've never heard of
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3131 [16:16:18] <greycat> So you've got two different
repositories from which apt (et al.) may select packages.
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3135 [16:16:30] <TomTomTo1> the package you want is in
wheezy-backports-sloppy and will probably pull dependencies from
wheezy-backports
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3139 [16:17:20] <TomTomTo1> at least the installation guide
included both, so it's probably needed.
3140 [16:17:59] <superman8> TomTomTo1: Is it a problem when need
to reboot debian only out of a blank screen with a dash and then
wait for it to reboot in 1 minute?
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3143 [16:19:29] <TomTomTo1> as i understood oldstable-backports
can't get packages from the current testing. those get pushed
to oldstable-backports-sloppy
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3147 [16:20:29] <greycat> That seems to be what the
backports-sloppy factoid is saying.
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3166 [16:27:20] <talin> i have tried to isntall from usb stick and
from CD... wheezy crashes, jessie crashes and now i tried stretch,
which also crashes during install... at random times
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3170 [16:27:52] <greycat> But you said that Ubuntu works. So...
stick with Ubuntu on this hardware?
3171 [16:28:17] <greycat> Or try a testing installer (not
supported here), or wait for stretch to release.
3172 [16:28:22] <talin> even when booting with vga=normal fb=false
3173 [16:28:35] <talin> the weird thing is that the thing that is
currently installed on it, is debian
3174 [16:28:42] <talin> some old broken sid
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3176 [16:28:51] <talin> from ~3 years ago
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3183 [16:30:43] <jelly-home> talin: is it a workstation system
with GUI and stuff or a server/headless one?
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3185 [16:31:16] <greycat> Also, what kind of hardware is it?
3186 [16:31:19] <talin> jelly-home: server
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3191 [16:32:02] <talin> greycat: ordinary intel server
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3193 [16:33:11] <greycat> What brand, what model? SCSI disks or
SATA or PATA? What disk controller, what ethernet interface(s)? Etc.
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3197 [16:33:41] <greycat> What kernel is currently installed (and
working?) on it?
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3203 [16:36:59] <lowin> Is there a way to make xfce's audio
widget work with pulseaudio?
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3206 [16:37:29] <lowin> I know there is a pulseaudio widget for
xfce 4.12 but jessie ships with 4.10
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3210 [16:39:29] <FirePowi> Hello, I'm on Debian testing and I
need python-farstream for gajim audio/video feature. But
python-farstream is no more available on Debian testing. Is there
another way to get it, please ?
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3214 [16:40:03] <greycat> !debian-next
3215 [16:40:03] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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3217 [16:40:25] <jelly-home> why did I read python-fartstream
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3219 [16:40:36] <FirePowi> Thanks greycat
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3225 [16:42:40] <nettly> thanks for your help! I try the new
config out
3226 [16:43:42] <mdlpe> hola, i visit dozen of website and i
didn't find something works. I want to make a tar archive of
all my home hidden folder. %find . -uname '*.' - exec tar
cf foo.tar {} \; select all directories not only hidden
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3258 [16:53:30] <kai_w> mdlpe: your wildcard needs to be
".*", hidden folders start with a '.', not end
with one.
3259 [16:53:55] <kai_w> Also are you meaning to look recursively?
This will also find things like "Documents/.hidden_thing"
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3261 [16:54:24] <greycat> mdlpe: Why can't you just make a
tar archive of your *entire home directory*? Why are you trying to
get ONLY the dot files/dot directories?
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3263 [16:55:45] <somiaj> also be careful with .* it will hit . and
.., which you may not want to include in a tar.
3264 [16:55:56] <somiaj> (unsure if tar will follow those or not)
3265 [16:56:00] <greycat> The whole question is deepy problematic.
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3268 [16:56:43] * deepy nods
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3270 [16:56:48] <polemic> you could prune ..* ?
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3272 [16:57:15] <greycat> ... I suck at typing. Sorry deepy.
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3274 [16:57:19] <deepy> No worries
3275 [16:57:23] <somiaj> polemic: .??* will avoid . and .., but it
will also avoid any file .a, .b, etc
3276 [16:57:24] <mdlpe> greycat: I want to isolate all the hidden
directories of my home to make a tar archive of this directories and
contents. find -type d -name '.*' show ALL directories not
only hidden
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3279 [16:57:55] <petemc> find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -name .\*
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3281 [16:58:18] <greycat> But WHY do you want to do this INSANELY
DIFFICULT AND RIDICULOUS thing?
3282 [16:58:33] <greycat> Why not do the much SIMPLER and more
USEFUL thing of backing up the entire home dir?
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3284 [16:58:52] <mdlpe> greycat: and why not ?
3285 [16:59:12] <greycat> See "INSANELY DIFFICULT AND
RIDICULOUS" and also because it neglects to back up all of the
things.
3286 [16:59:23] <ksk> you can alter the globbing to include hidden
files.. but if you only want to backup your home, why not use like
"/home/$user/" as path for rsync/tar/whatever
3287 [16:59:27] <polemic> find . -maxdepth 1 - type d -name
".*" -o -path "..*" -prune -o -print ?
3288 [16:59:38] <mdlpe> greycat: i have my own reason to make
separate backup
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3290 [17:00:03] <cyphix> Maybe it's not the right place to
ask... I run a debian server and I try to install some perl modules
with cpanm. In particular, I need the Module::Install module. But
when I run 'cpanm Module::Install', I receive this error:
replaced-url
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3292 [17:00:26] <greycat> And I have my own reasons to ignore you,
coming very quickly. But first I will point out that the only known
way to glob "all the hidden files except . and .." is with
TWO SEPARATE GLOBS, and each one is more complex than the single
glob you are trying to use.
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3298 [17:01:11] <greycat> Since your naive .* glob will match .
and .. you will end up backing up more than you intended.
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3301 [17:02:27] <greycat> (Or maybe find never considers .. in
which case it just matches . but that's already enough to kill
your dream.)
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3304 [17:02:59] <mdlpe> find . -wholename "./\.*" works
I'm not sure i preserve the hierachy
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3309 [17:03:22] <mdlpe> ** folder tree
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3311 [17:03:39] <somiaj> In my situations .??* has worked for me.
But I have no dot files .<singlecharacter> to backup.
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3313 [17:03:54] <somiaj> well on my system.
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3317 [17:04:35] <petemc> find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -name .\* |
grep -v ^.$ | tar cvf foo.tar -T -
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3319 [17:05:02] <greycat> petemc: #bash would tell you that it
fails on filenames with newlines in them
3320 [17:05:23] <polemic> wouldn't print0 fix that?
3321 [17:05:28] <petemc> -T should handle that, no?
3322 [17:05:32] <greycat> If you want the magic PAIR OF GLOBS that
can match this properly, see
replaced-url
3323 [17:05:33] <polemic> and then xargs -0 ?
3324 [17:05:44] <petemc> ah no, need -print0 as well
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3326 [17:05:58] <somiaj> .[!.]* seems to work here, think that
should get things like .a
3327 [17:06:05] <greycat> That's half of it.
3328 [17:06:15] <mdlpe> wait i need to reset my internet connexion
3329 [17:06:25] <greycat> Nobody is going to wait for you.
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3337 [17:08:42] <insane_tesla> hello
3338 [17:09:23] <somiaj> cyphix: maybe you need
libmodule-install-perl
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3345 [17:11:48] <kai_w> I can't get glxinfo/vulkaninfo to
work over SSH with the proprietary nvidia driver. Tried ssh -X/-Y,
and adding +iglx to my X command. Any other advice?
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3347 [17:11:52] <kai_w> Locally everything works fine.
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3350 [17:12:51] <somiaj> kai_w: are you specifing what $DISPLAY to
use and the user has access to that $DISPLAY?
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3353 [17:13:37] <greycat> -X or -Y should set DISPLAY for you.
Manually changing it would be wrong.
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3356 [17:14:01] <somiaj> oh I missed that..not sure then
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3359 [17:14:19] <greycat> I ... have absolutely no idea what crazy
notion leads you to believe you can tunnel OpenGL over ssh.
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3368 [17:15:53] <mdlpe> I apologize but I got internet pb and all
is lost. Anyway tanks to all
3369 [17:15:56] <r3> where is the "proper" place to set
stty parameters? I've included a line in /etc/rc.local in order
to turn off the blasted echo so that I can get data in properly on
tty1, and it appears to be working, so I am just wondering if there
is a better solution. Thanks
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3372 [17:16:24] <greycat> r3: err. What are you trying to do?
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3379 [17:18:20] <r3> oh my, I am sorry, greycat, I thought it
would be a quick answer like "no, don't use rc.local, use
nnnnnn, you dolt", the short answer is that I must do a
"stty --file=/dev/tty1 -echo" in order to turn off local
echo that is interfering with serial data coming in.
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3381 [17:19:06] <greycat> OK, first of all, /dev/tty1 ain't a
serial port.
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3385 [17:19:37] <r3> it seems to be working, and I am happy to
leave it, rather than impede upon your time, greycat, I was just
thinking there might be a better spot for that. Maybe not. Maybe I
got it right. er, it's /dev/ttyAMA0 - my bad.
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3387 [17:19:54] <greycat> Now, assuming you meant /dev/ttyS1 or
something, then the APPLICATION that opens the serial port is
supposed to perform the ioctl() calls to set the modes correctly.
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3390 [17:20:14] <greycat> If your application can't do that,
then it is perfectly reasonable to wrap a shell script around it
which runs "stty" commands before exec-ing the
application.
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3392 [17:20:44] <kai_w> greycat: glxgears/glxinfo work fine with
mesa drivers (intel and nouveau)
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3395 [17:21:04] <r3> yes, very good, thanks, greycat, I will look
into a shell script wrapper
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3400 [17:22:29] <kai_w> I'm mainly wanting to play with
vulkan, but the only non-intel card I have is attached to a computer
in a different building.
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3407 [17:23:12] <kai_w> I suspect this is related to the gl issue
because vulkaninfo complains about not being able to load the NV-GLX
extension, and I know the nvidia driver shares quite a it between
the two APIs
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3410 [17:24:04] <woffs> Hi. Is there a usable hylafax-client for
the average user?
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3413 [17:24:16] <ayypot> Any folks here also do their apt-get
upgrades on a cronjob? Php always breaks it. Php tries to bring up a
terminal and the update is halted
3414 [17:24:26] <ayypot>
replaced-url
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3423 [17:26:07] <al3xv3gas> Guys, how do I make a debian package
from a normal python app?
3424 [17:26:19] <greycat> !nmg
3425 [17:26:19] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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3427 [17:26:41] <greycat> If you are waiting for someone else to
just give you 1-3 magical commands, well....
3428 [17:26:48] <al3xv3gas> I want the simples possible way please
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3430 [17:26:58] <al3xv3gas> as little complication as possible
thanks
3431 [17:27:14] <greycat> Yes. Of course you do. No, wait. Sorry.
I am not speaking your dialect. 0f c0ur53 u d0.
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3434 [17:27:30] <neglesaks> Q: Is it normal for the far majority
of changelogs in the update packages dialogue to be 404?
3435 [17:27:31] <al3xv3gas> funny
3436 [17:27:36] <al3xv3gas> - not -
3437 [17:27:46] <al3xv3gas> lets stay objective shall we?
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3439 [17:27:54] <greycat> !nmg
3440 [17:27:54] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
3441 [17:27:56] <neglesaks> "Changelog for libavutil54 is not
(yet) available (404 Not Found [IP: 1blih blah])"
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3446 [17:29:08] <al3xv3gas> chekcing it out at the moment
3447 [17:29:12] <al3xv3gas> thanks
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3454 [17:30:40] <r3> !nicometer test
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3457 [17:31:00] <r3> that's just not at all what or where I
wanted to put that, sorry.
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3460 [17:31:34] <greycat> !nickometer r3
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3462 [17:31:36] <dpkg> 'r3' is 22.000% lame, greycat
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3465 [17:32:01] <r3> !nickometer greycat
3466 [17:32:03] <dpkg> 'greycat' is 0.000% lame, r3
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3469 [17:32:09] <r3> areplaced-url
3470 [17:32:14] <r3> !nickometer al3xv3gas
3471 [17:32:15] <dpkg> 'al3xv3gas' is 37.000% lame, r3
3472 [17:32:16] <al3xv3gas> ok this is too much to read
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3474 [17:32:20] <al3xv3gas> im out
3475 [17:32:23] <al3xv3gas> exit
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3480 [17:33:01] <r3> I wonder why people think that a debian
package is like zipping something up
3481 [17:33:05] <jhutchins> If it's too much to read, just
imagine what it's like to actually do it!
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3483 [17:33:15] <jorb> hmm.. debian 7 still has python 2.7.3.
whats the best course of action for getting at least 2.7.9
(obviously upgrading to 8 would be the best approach)
3484 [17:33:23] <neglesaks> i have people to read the man pages
for me
3485 [17:33:24] <jorb> but without being able to upgrade, any
advice?
3486 [17:33:42] <greycat> ,v python2.7
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3488 [17:33:43] <judd> Package: python2.7 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.7.3-6+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.7.3-6+deb7u3; jessie:
2.7.9-2+deb8u1; sid: 2.7.12-3; stretch: 2.7.12-3
3489 [17:34:00] <greycat> No backports...
3490 [17:34:22] <jhutchins> Looks like a moving target.
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3494 [17:35:01] <vvuja> !nickometer vvuja
3495 [17:35:03] <dpkg> 'vvuja' is 0.000% lame, vvuja
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3497 [17:35:08] <vvuja> nice
3498 [17:35:44] <greycat> I don't know what heuristics it
uses. Probably ratio of letters to non-letters or something.
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3503 [17:36:51] <Iridos> it uses something stupid
3504 [17:36:56] <r3> yeah, I think it is, last time I looked at
bot code. Of course, really any ratio is going to screw nicks with
just 2 characters ;)
3505 [17:37:04] <vvuja> !nickometer vv
3506 [17:37:05] <dpkg> 'vv' is 0.000% lame, vvuja
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3509 [17:37:18] <vvuja> !nickometer db
3510 [17:37:19] <r3> stick a number in there and it will become
lame
3511 [17:37:19] <dpkg> 'db' is 0.000% lame, vvuja
3512 [17:37:25] <vvuja> !nickometer v1
3513 [17:37:26] <dpkg> 'v1' is 22.000% lame, vvuja
3514 [17:37:28] <r3> I am really sorry I started this.
3515 [17:37:29] <vvuja> yes
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3517 [17:37:51] <vvuja> nope we are having fun
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3520 [17:38:05] <jelly-home> !botabuse
3521 [17:38:05] <dpkg> lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
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3529 [17:41:00] <nettly> hi again
3530 [17:42:02] <nettly> So I need a simple + practical way: I got
a local repo with some backported packages - now in the official
backports repo, there also can appear packages with higher versions
than those in the local repo. But I need the packages from the local
repo because they have been built differently. How can I force apt
to prefer the packages from local repo
3531 [17:42:02] <nettly> - even if their version is older? So I
can do upgrade and dist-upgrade without breaking something?
3532 [17:42:07] <nettly> So I need a simple + practical way: I got
a local repo with some backported packages - now in the official
backports repo, there also can appear packages with higher versions
than those in the local repo. But I need the packages from the local
repo because they have been built differently. How can I force apt
to prefer the packages from local repo
3533 [17:42:07] <nettly> - even if their version is older? So I
can do upgrade and dist-upgrade without breaking something?
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3535 [17:42:16] <fearnothing> where does one configure a
HTTP/HTTPS proxy?
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3538 [17:42:36] <debbly> So I need a simple + practical way: I got
a local repo with some backported packages - now in the official
backports repo, there also can appear packages with higher versions
than those in the local repo. But I need the packages from the local
repo because they have been built differently. How can I force apt
to prefer the packages from local repo
3539 [17:42:36] <debbly> - even if their version is older? So I
can do upgrade and dist-upgrade without breaking something?
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3541 [17:43:05] <Iridos> fearnothing, depends on the proxy?
3542 [17:43:12] <fearnothing> squid3
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3544 [17:43:39] <fearnothing> proxy server is working, I can
specify it manually and curl/wget will happily go through it
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3546 [17:43:47] <fearnothing> how do I make things default to
using it?
3547 [17:43:52] <Iridos> /etc/squid3/
3548 [17:43:58] <greycat> debhlp: bump their versions
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3550 [17:44:16] <greycat> gah. debbly left.
3551 [17:44:18] <Iridos> making stuff use it isn't the same
as configuring it
3552 [17:44:18] <fearnothing> Iridos - squid's not running
locally
3553 [17:44:33] <fearnothing> sorry I meant configure my system to
go via the proxy
3554 [17:44:39] <fearnothing> bad wording
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3556 [17:45:17] <greycat> fearnothing: there is no universal http
proxy mechanism in Linux, or in Debian. There are environment
variables that some programs use. Other programs use their own
internal configs only.
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3558 [17:45:53] <fearnothing> greycat - fair enough
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3560 [17:46:02] <greycat> fearnothing: if you *really* need
*every* HTTP request to go through the proxy, then you're
looking at iptables (or some other kernel level firewalling) and an
appropriately configured proxy
3561 [17:46:28] <fearnothing> greycat - thanks, that's a
pretty succinct explanation :)
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3564 [17:46:44] <fearnothing> is there any reason such a thing
doesn't exist?
3565 [17:46:49] <Iridos> the proxy environment variable(s) can
often be set via the desktop environment… how exactly depends
on the DE
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3567 [17:46:53] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ grep chrome
.fvwm/.fvwm2rc
3568 [17:46:53] <greycat> + "&4. Chrome 9999" Exec
exec /usr/bin/google-chrome --proxy-server=socks://localhost:9999
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3570 [17:46:56] <greycat> + "&5. Chrome 9998" Exec
exec /usr/bin/google-chrome --proxy-server=socks://localhost:9998
3571 [17:47:02] <fearnothing> Iridos - I'm using cli only
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3573 [17:47:59] <greycat> google-chrome is one of the worst
offenders in the proxying game. Not only do they not use http_proxy
variables, but they don't even have a GUI to configure it. The
ONLY WAY is with those command line switches. And that also means I
can't switch tunnels on the fly. Hence the two different WM
lines.
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3575 [17:48:18] <fearnothing> I guess I just expected that there
would be a system level proxy setting that tools could override if
necessary
3576 [17:48:25] <greycat> Nope. Every program is a kingdom.
3577 [17:48:46] <fearnothing> sigh
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3579 [17:49:02] <greycat> Getting all of the unix programs to do
something in a consistent way is like herding cats. Or kings.
3580 [17:49:06] <fearnothing> and people wonder why getting wider
adoption is so hard
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3583 [17:50:49] <jelly-home> greycat: there are extensions to work
around chrome's proxy setup, I use
replaced-url
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3586 [17:51:49] <greycat> I'm content with the solution I
already have. Any URL with "store" in it is inherently
frightening, and I don't think Google understands this at all.
3587 [17:51:52] <jelly-home> two click switch to a different one,
domain/url specific etc
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3589 [17:52:18] <jelly-home> I think it's open sauce, and it
also costs $0
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3605 [17:57:20] <Voyager82> Hello. My laptop is a HP 6735s laptop,
provided with a Radeon HD 3200 video card. Since I installed Debian
Linux (namely Jessie) on it, the "backlight" of my screen
is very low, as if in windows AC power were removed. How can I solve
the problem?
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3608 [17:58:31] <fearnothing> greycat - for APT I've created
a conf file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80proxyconf which works on one of my
VMs
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3610 [17:58:50] <fearnothing> but on the proxy host, it can't
seem to use itself as the proxy server
3611 [17:59:25] <greycat> apt uses the http_proxy variables, but
these get clobbered by sudo, so they don't work very well in
practice. apt also uses its own internal configs for setting an HTTP
proxy.
3612 [17:59:26] <Iridos> greycat, you can change the proxy in
chromium via the guy… and there's also an addon that
allows to switch proxies with one click
3613 [17:59:36] <fearnothing> if I do curl -x
replaced-url
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3615 [17:59:57] <fearnothing> but Apt can't connect, just
gets a bunch of 500 internal server errors
3616 [18:00:07] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
3617 [18:00:07] <greycat> Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
3618 [18:00:09] <Maxxe`> 500, thats nun.
3619 [18:00:14] <ipx> anyone using the grsec kernels?
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3621 [18:00:18] <Iridos> greycat, ah, jelly already said…
and I'm using
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3626 [18:02:50] <jelly-home> Iridos: sadly that extension does not
work for apt
3627 [18:03:03] <showaz> Rsync patch lz4, block-device, iolimit,
transfer progress output to fifo-file
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3630 [18:03:20] <jelly-home> and it's two clicks
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3632 [18:03:34] <jelly-home> or zero clicks if you tell it to
autoswitch
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3634 [18:04:36] <jelly-home> (and switchyomega is a successor to
switchysharp, of sorts)
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3636 [18:05:25] <jelly-home> (note the last update time)
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3638 [18:06:00] <Finalfire> Hello there! May I ask for a help
here?
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3641 [18:06:17] <jelly-home> Finalfire: if you're using
Debian, sure
3642 [18:06:20] <jelly-home> !ask
3643 [18:06:20] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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3646 [18:06:50] <Finalfire> Oh, thank you!
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3650 [18:07:55] <Finalfire> I'm on a computer A; from A I can
access via SSH a server X (using Debian). The server X has KVM
installed and a virtual machine running inside it called D. D is a
Debian distribution and contains an Apache Tomcat running. I'd
like access the Apache Server from X without entering inside D and,
whether is possible, to access the Apache Server from A. Is that
possible?
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3657 [18:09:57] <jelly-home> Finalfire: if you set up the VM to
use a bridged network, and provide it a (public?) IP address next to
the one X uses (in the same segment), you should be able to access D
the same way you access X
3658 [18:10:01] <bigterd> alsactrl init shows Found hardware:
"HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC888", addedd myself to
audio group, but gnome sound settings shows zero avqaiable outpout
devices/ drivers?
3659 [18:10:04] <bigterd> ideas?
3660 [18:10:05] <toruvinn> Finalfire, sounds like that's
about your kvm configuration, which is not allowing connections from
outside(?)
3661 [18:10:21] <greycat> Finalfire: If X (the host) has a program
listening on port P1 and D (the guest) has a program listening on
port P2, you just connect to port P1 or P2 to hit the right program.
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3664 [18:10:49] <bigterd> oh, lots of modules loaded in kernel
too, so i don't think it's a module issue
3665 [18:11:00] <jelly-home> it's a matter of kvm and D
networking and possibly tomcat config
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3667 [18:11:36] <arvind> After installing debian jessie, what can
one do to tune the system for a desktop? I have read about setting
vm.swappiness = 10 in sysctl.conf as the default value is more
geared for servers. What else can be done?
3668 [18:11:52] <L72g5sSq> Morning everyone.
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3674 [18:13:06] <jelly-home> arvind: it depends on what kind of
bottleneck or performance issues you see in real life
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3677 [18:13:21] <cast> arvind: the defaults are fine, take action
when you encounter a problem
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3680 [18:13:55] <Finalfire> Oh, ok, I try to ping it. Let'
see if I can reach it
3681 [18:14:06] <L72g5sSq> I've been learning debian
packaging to bundle my own app and I'm starting to realize
config files should go in /etc, log files go in /var/log, etc.
instead of having them all in one location. During development do
most people follow the file hierarchy standard?
3682 [18:14:36] <missmbob> L72g5sSq: yes. especially if you want
it to ever be included
3683 [18:14:51] <fearnothing> is anyone able to comment on why APT
might not be able to proxy through a locally-running squid3 proxy?
3684 [18:15:01] <L72g5sSq> Okay. What location do people normally
put their git repositories?
3685 [18:15:07] <L72g5sSq> (for development)
3686 [18:15:13] <missmbob> L72g5sSq: ~/
3687 [18:15:22] <cast> L72g5sSq: you should probably read the
debian new maintainers guide fwiw
3688 [18:15:28] <jelly-home> fearnothing: misconfigured squid?
does wget work?
3689 [18:15:43] <L72g5sSq> cast: Went through it, fantastically
well written
3690 [18:15:56] <missmbob> L72g5sSq: did you join the irc channel?
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3693 [18:16:34] <fearnothing> curl works via the proxy
3694 [18:16:36] <fearnothing> so does wget
3695 [18:16:40] <arvind> jelly-home / cast one problem I
encountered is that when i hit youtube and is stream videos the
playback is off i.e voice spoken with visual mouth movement :
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3696 [18:16:47] <fearnothing> other hosts can run APT through the
proxy
3697 [18:16:49] <fearnothing> just not this one
3698 [18:17:07] <troffasky> you'll have to give us an actual
error message, i think
3699 [18:17:11] <jelly-home> fearnothing: and it can access an URL
from the same debian mirror configured in sources.list?
3700 [18:17:19] <L72g5sSq> missmbob: What's the channel?
3701 [18:17:26] <fearnothing> I think they're configured to
use the same mirror
3702 [18:17:28] <fearnothing> let me just check
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3704 [18:17:35] <missmbob> !mentors
3705 [18:17:35] <dpkg> [mentors] the system the Debian project
uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian
Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me
about <nmg>.
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3706 [18:17:42] <L72g5sSq> Thanks
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3709 [18:18:12] <jelly-home> arvind: ouch. Which browser?
3710 [18:18:14] <fearnothing> hmm, no they're not
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3712 [18:18:18] <cast> awesome :)/w 2
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3714 [18:18:23] <cast> ...ignore me.
3715 [18:18:25] <arvind> jelly-home, chrome and firefox
3716 [18:18:26] <fearnothing> one is running off melbourne.ac.uk,
the other debian.man.ac.uk
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3718 [18:18:34] <fearnothing> where do I set the mirror?
3719 [18:18:53] <arvind> jelly-home, i did not install pepper
flash or anything similar. Flash is from chrome and fierfox html5 i
guess
3720 [18:19:02] <jelly-home> fearnothing: /etc/apt/sources.list
3721 [18:19:24] <jelly-home> arvind: chrome usually uses html5 by
default these days, too
3722 [18:19:40] <jelly-home> and it embeds pepper flash,
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3724 [18:20:45] <L72g5sSq> missmbob: That channels seems to be for
mentors; it's invite-only
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3727 [18:21:06] <missmbob> L72g5sSq: you didn't read it all.
it's on OFTC not freenode
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3733 [18:22:19] <fearnothing> ok I've now set them both
identically
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3735 [18:22:22] <fearnothing> still failing
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3738 [18:23:43] <arvind> jelly-home, what can I do about this?
3739 [18:23:51] <arvind> jelly-home, how is it on your end?
3740 [18:24:17] <jelly-home> it mostly just works in chrome,
haven't used firefox for youtubes in a while
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3742 [18:24:39] <arvind> jelly-home, do you have the audio sync
problems ?
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3744 [18:24:52] <jelly-home> arvind: which DE are you using, is
pulseaudio running and started before the browsers?
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3746 [18:25:53] <arvind> jelly-home, xfce. 3gb of mem. Radeon hd
5450. yes as far as i know it is, pulseaudio is isntalled by default
right?
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3748 [18:26:33] <monsune> would someone please help me with python
hell? i'm trying to run 3.3 on wheezy
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3750 [18:26:50] <fearnothing> just set up an ubuntu one to use the
proxy too, and it does that just fine
3751 [18:26:57] <greycat> monsune: get upstream python 3.3 source
tarball. Build. Install. Run.
3752 [18:27:18] <fearnothing> it's only the debian one that
is actually running the proxy that can't use it
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3754 [18:27:32] <monsune> greycat thank you and that's what i
did but the app is still spitting up errors about some issues in 3.2
so it doesn't really use that 3.3 that i compiled
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3757 [18:28:14] <jelly-home> arvind: I don't know whether
it's installed by default for xfce or not, nor do I know if
it's autostarted by default, sorry
3758 [18:28:20] <monsune> greycat i even tried with virtual env
for python and same, i totally don't get it
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3761 [18:28:47] <greycat> monsune: you used
#!/usr/local/bin/python3.3 as the shebang and it didn't work?
Or... what?
3762 [18:28:55] <arvind> jelly-home, well if it makes a
difference, the audio works fine when i play videos on vlc from my
hd, only the browsing with youtube streaming videos suck
3763 [18:29:17] <monsune> greycat it is more like the python app
that i'm trying to run is still accessing old python instead of
3.3
3764 [18:29:52] <greycat> monsune: if some program outside your
control is just running "python" instead of
"python3.3" then you may have to play with PATH.
3765 [18:29:54] <jelly-home> arvind: as a temporary solution, you
can enable jessie-backports, install youtube-dl from
jessie-backports, install mpv, open yt links with mpv
3766 [18:29:55] <monsune> greycat stuff like: File
"/usr/local/lib/python3.2/dist-packages/acdcli/api/client.py",
line 5, in <module>
3767 [18:29:55] <monsune> import requests
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3772 [18:30:57] <arvind> jelly-home, does youtube-dl work on
streaming videos. Streaming videos ... found out that youtube had
videos streaming 24/7. Yeah like watching an endless movie withouth
reloading another video
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3778 [18:32:28] <jelly-home> arvind: your link opens with mpv, but
I only tested on stretch not jessie
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3781 [18:32:59] <jelly-home> but really family guy doesn't
really have a lot of "lip synch"
3782 [18:33:08] <jelly-home> or lips on characters
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3784 [18:33:45] <arvind> jelly-home, what do you mean with mpv? I
have not heared of that abbreviation
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3786 [18:34:17] <monsune> greycat i already tried to play with
PATH and still the same crap
3787 [18:35:02] <jelly-home> arvind: it's a media player,
like vlc
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3789 [18:35:40] <jelly-home> vlc fails rather miserably playing
that link, here
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3793 [18:36:19] <neglesaks> anyone here have ClamAV working
properly on their debian?
3794 [18:36:30] <jelly-home> properly?
3795 [18:37:07] <monsune> i will just wipe the damn box...
can't take it this python shit anymore
3796 [18:37:10] <arvind> jelly-home, i am using smplayer and it
seems to work not to see if it is different with the lip hampering
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3798 [18:37:38] <monsune> which means that i will also stop using
debian :/
3799 [18:38:08] <jelly-home> monsune: eh, use the tools that
actually work. If debian isn't a good fit for your needs, use
something else
3800 [18:38:28] <monsune> jelly-home wheeze has too old python and
that caused alot of trouble
3801 [18:38:35] <monsune> all i want is newer python
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3803 [18:38:39] <jelly-home> wheezy is also oldstable
3804 [18:39:02] <jelly-home> the previous release, not the current
one
3805 [18:39:07] <monsune> i do know that
3806 [18:39:30] <monsune> one of the machines needs a few TB moved
away before i can install jessie there
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3808 [18:40:00] <jelly-home> debian has working in-place release
upgrades.
3809 [18:40:07] <monsune> all i want is a little newer python,
wouldn't even expect that this could be so hard to do
3810 [18:40:41] <arvind> jelly-home, okay the smplayer is out of
sync to ... but it is not the browsers fault or app fault. I tired
on a win 8 installation with crhome and the same hampering out of
sync was happening
3811 [18:41:10] <neglesaks> yes, the Tk frontend is installed ,
and I believe i have the base package in place as well
3812 [18:41:44] <jelly-home> the machine I'm writing from has
been installed in 2001
3813 [18:41:45] <jelly-home> it went thru 6-7 release upgrades and
4-5 hardware upgrades
3814 [18:41:47] <jelly-home> and it's still the same system
:-)
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3816 [18:42:47] <arvind> jelly-home, how do you experience ubuntu
as a desktop system? Curious
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3827 [18:44:48] <jelly-home> I don't have an opinion of
ubuntu as desktop really, usually I run debian. Only my laptop has
ubuntu and I don't use it very often
3828 [18:45:12] <neglesaks> any attempt to do anything wiht clamtk
does pretty much nothing when it comes to either scanning or
updating
3829 [18:45:36] <neglesaks> i feel im missing a package, but i
have no indivation which one it is
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3831 [18:46:05] <jelly-home> what's clamtk?
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3834 [18:46:31] <jelly-home> neglesaks: if you run "clamscan
./eicar.com", on a copy of eicar, does it detect?
3835 [18:46:55] <neglesaks> one moment.
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3838 [18:47:47] <neglesaks> LibClamAV Error: cli_loaddbdir(): No
supported database files found in /var/lib/clamav
3839 [18:47:47] <neglesaks> ERROR: Can't open file or
directory
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3841 [18:48:10] <neglesaks> so no av db...
3842 [18:48:28] <jelly-home> neglesaks: verify clamav-freshclam is
installed and up-to-date
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3845 [18:49:08] <jelly-home> judd: file /var/lib/clamav
3846 [18:49:27] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with
that file.
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3849 [18:49:42] <neglesaks> packages lists that pkg as installed
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3852 [18:51:44] <jelly-home> neglesaks: which version?
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3861 [18:56:02] <neglesaks> jelly-home, 0.99.2 deb8u2
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3864 [18:56:27] <jelly-home> that doesn't look right
3865 [18:56:33] <jelly-home> ,v clamav-freshclam
3866 [18:56:34] <judd> Package: clamav-freshclam on amd64 --
wheezy: 0.99+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie-updates: 0.99+dfsg-0+deb8u2;
wheezy-security: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb8u2;
stretch: 0.99.2+dfsg-3; sid: 0.99.2+dfsg-4
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3869 [18:57:06] <jelly-home> neglesaks: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb8u2 ?
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3873 [18:59:12] <jelly-home> neglesaks: look at
/var/log/clamav/freshclam.log if it exists for clues.
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3883 [19:03:12] <neglesaks> yes. that one. yes, log is present and
notes failure to fetch main.cvd from database.clamav.net
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3886 [19:03:57] <neglesaks> and it has an entry for every 5
seconds while i had the TKfronten running
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3892 [19:06:03] <neglesaks> jelly-home, i can do a paste of it for
you, though not much apart from that is in the log
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3894 [19:06:09] <debbly> hi
3895 [19:06:12] <neglesaks> ill be afk for a while
3896 [19:06:20] <debbly> So I try to apt-get the sources of a
package - I tried this but it seems to fail :O
3897 [19:06:29] <debbly> apt-get source -t wheezy-backports squid3
3898 [19:06:33] <jelly-home> neglesaks: sure
3899 [19:06:38] <debbly> what me wonders is that I added it to apt
sources.list
3900 [19:06:44] <debbly> and apt-get update'd it, too
3901 [19:07:01] <debbly> E: The value 'wheezy-backports'
is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not
available in the sources
3902 [19:07:13] <debbly> deb-src
replaced-url
3903 [19:07:15] <debbly> what is missing?
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3905 [19:08:38] <jelly-home> neglesaks: verify you can look up
database.clamav.net and access, dunno,
replaced-url
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3911 [19:09:39] <jelly-home> debbly: forgot to run apt-get update?
3912 [19:10:03] <crayon> how can i run chromium as root?
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3914 [19:10:44] <greycat> Don't.
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3916 [19:10:51] <jelly-home> crayon: you probably shouldn't
run a web browser as root. What are you trying to solve that
requires running it as root?
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3918 [19:11:11] <debbly> ohh
3919 [19:11:21] <debbly> the source url seems to be incorrect, the
hostname canot be found
3920 [19:11:30] <debbly> it seems that there is outdated
documentation about this
3921 [19:11:48] <jelly-home> debbly: http.debian.net has been
renamed to httpredir.debian.org
3922 [19:11:55] <greycat> It should be exactly the same as your
"deb" line for the same source, just with deb-src.
3923 [19:12:02] <crayon> jelly-home, its in a controlled env and
root is the only user avail on this box
3924 [19:12:15] <greycat> crayon: man adduser
3925 [19:12:17] <jelly-home> crayon: make a non-root user
3926 [19:12:33] <crayon> i get it, internet facing root web
sockets etc
3927 [19:12:41] <polemic> I'd be interested to know how long
you could run a web browser as root before you get exploited. But
don't do it.
3928 [19:12:42] <crayon> adding user not an option
3929 [19:12:49] <jelly-home> then you're SOL
3930 [19:13:01] <polemic> how can you have root access but no
user?
3931 [19:13:03] <polemic> not add user?
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3933 [19:13:09] <greycat> polemic: Imaginary problems.
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3935 [19:13:19] <jelly-home> crappy embedded system that
isn't really debian any more
3936 [19:13:23] <greycat> They are always the hardest ones to
solve.
3937 [19:13:49] <polemic> really?
3938 [19:13:58] <polemic> Why do you think it's imaginary,
did I miss something?
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3943 [19:14:54] <greycat> Because if the system *actually* cannot
function if he adds a line to /etc/passwd then it's no longer
Debian.
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3947 [19:15:26] <debbly> How can I find out the package version of
an installed package?
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3949 [19:15:35] <greycat> debbly: dpkg -l [pkgname]
3950 [19:15:36] <debbly> dpkg --get-selections would only show me
the package names - but not their versions
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3952 [19:15:40] <greenit> hi, i just installed bumblebee with the
nvidia-proprietary driver on my notebook (i7 skylake and nvidia
gtx970m) and now it doesn't boot anymore... can anyone help me?
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3956 [19:17:12] <polemic> press ctrl + alt + f2?
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3959 [19:17:22] <polemic> should bring up a terminal and you can
uninstall it
3960 [19:17:30] <polemic> or whatever
3961 [19:17:50] <polemic> that's if it's just a gui
problem, otherwise you'll need to fiddle at the boot menu, I
think
3962 [19:17:59] <greenit> polemic, nope, doesn't work, the
screen freezes
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3970 [19:19:39] <greenit> polemic, systemd.mask=bumblebeed.service
worked for my system to boot normally again... however, i'd
like to have bumblebee enabled
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3972 [19:19:52] <greenit> or fully switch to the discrete gpu
3973 [19:19:54] <greenit> do you know how?
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3975 [19:20:07] <polemic> sorry, greenit, that's beyond me
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3979 [19:21:50] <jelly-home> greenit: I _think_ you can't
fully switch to the discrete gpu because such setups are hardwired
to have intel connected to the physical output ports
3980 [19:22:48] <gasull> ruby-nokogiri is installed.
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3983 [19:23:08] <greenit> jelly-home, oh, ok... do you know how i
have to configure bumblebee to work as intended (i.e. don't
freeze the system) then?
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3990 [19:26:48] <jelly-home> nope, sorry
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3993 [19:28:56] <babilen> greenit: fwiw, there's #bumblebee
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3998 [19:30:21] <babilen> I intentionally try to not buy any
optimus hardware
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4008 [19:34:03] <jelly-home> babilen: that seems to be the sanest
bet if one wants to run linux
4009 [19:34:11] <greenit> babilen, yeah, i've already asked
there, thanks for the info :)
4010 [19:34:14] <gasull> Solved it installing ruby-nokogiri from
sid.
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4026 [19:39:29] <jmcnaught> greenit: did you try the bumblebee
packages from jessie-backports?
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4040 [19:44:55] <gasull> Trying to use vagrant on Debian stable I
get and unsolvable dependency:
replaced-url
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4049 [19:46:15] <gasull> I guess I can get it from oldstable
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4051 [19:46:33] <jmcnaught> gasull: did you just say above that
you installed a package from unstable on your stable system?
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4059 [19:48:05] <jmcnaught> gasull: also re: your pastebin, are
you trying to use a mix of Debian installed ruby packages, and ruby
gemfiles?
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4067 [19:50:11] <gasull> Yes to the first question, no to the
second one.
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4069 [19:50:46] <gasull> jmcnaught: ^
4070 [19:51:16] <jmcnaught> gasull: you really should not be
mixing stable and unstable:
replaced-url
4071 [19:52:00] <jmcnaught> gasull: are you using the vagrant
1.6.5+dfsg1-2 from jessie?
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4076 [19:52:20] <gasull> jmcnaught: What's the alternative?
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4078 [19:52:47] <jmcnaught> gasull: alternative to what?
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4084 [19:54:05] <gasull> jmcnaught: Alternative to installing a
package from unstable.
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4086 [19:54:41] <gasull> jmcnaught: I need vagrant, so I'd
rather use apt pinning and have a few packages from unstable than
not having vagrant.
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4088 [19:55:32] <jmcnaught> gasull: what is wrong with the package
from jessie?
4089 [19:56:07] <jmcnaught> gasull: the alternative to installing
packages from unstable is to backport them properly, or you can try
to use gem2deb (or whatever it's called)
4090 [19:56:09] <jelly-home> gasull: sadly pinning often
doesn't prevent pulling _all_ the needed dependencies and
messing up your install of "stable", so be very careful
what apt plans to do when using such a setup
4091 [19:56:15] <gasull> jmcnaught: See my pastebin:
replaced-url
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4093 [19:56:43] <gasull> jelly-home: I use negative pinning.
Solves the problem.
4094 [19:57:01] <greycat> And the *other* other alternative is
simply to use the stable package.
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4096 [19:57:25] <gasull> greycat: The stable package is broken and
doesn't work. See my pastebin.
4097 [19:57:44] <jelly-home> his paste did, apparently show
existence of package from stable did not satisfy the tool
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4100 [19:58:14] <greycat> Oh, so "doesn't work" in
this case means "has the wrong color shirt on, so the bouncer
won't let it into the club"
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4102 [19:58:22] <jelly-home> (I'm not sure how is
1.9.something not >= than 1.0.11, but I'm clueless about
ruby)
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4106 [19:59:01] <gasull> jelly-home: It says ffi (>= 1.0.11,
~> 1.0). So it has to be in the 1.0 range.
4107 [19:59:21] <jelly-home> gasull: but neither 1.9.10 not 1.9.6
are.
4108 [19:59:27] <jelly-home> nor*
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4114 [20:00:27] <gasull> jelly-home: yes, so for vagrant to work I
need to install ruby-ffi from oldstable.
4115 [20:00:29] <jelly-home> or both are, if that means "
1.0.11 <= x <= 2.0.11 "
4116 [20:00:49] <greycat> ,v ruby-ffi
4117 [20:00:50] <judd> Package: ruby-ffi on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0.11debian-5; jessie: 1.9.6debian-2; sid: 1.9.10debian-1+b2;
stretch: 1.9.10debian-1+b2
4118 [20:01:02] <jelly-home> ,v ruby-nokogiri
4119 [20:01:03] <judd> Package: ruby-nokogiri on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.5.5-1; jessie: 1.6.3.1+ds-1; stretch: 1.6.8-2; sid: 1.6.8-2
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4122 [20:01:13] <greycat> Installing *OLD* packages is typically
fine. It usually doesn't break stuff.
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4124 [20:01:36] <jelly-home> gasull: eh... if that helped, could
you please file a bug against vagrant in jessie
4125 [20:01:41] <greycat> Installing *NEW* packages makes your
keyboard start to bleed.
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4130 [20:02:26] <jelly-home> as long as they're not
suggesting it to any less clueful user, I'm happy with this
4131 [20:02:39] <gasull> I get the same vagrant error after
installing ruby-ffi from oldstable.
4132 [20:03:11] <greycat> 14:00 gasull> jelly-home: yes, so for
vagrant to work I need to install ruby-ffi from oldstable.
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4134 [20:03:26] <greycat> So it works. So it doesn't work.
Um... what?
4135 [20:03:44] <gasull> greycat: that is what the error said I
had to do, but it doesn't work.
4136 [20:04:19] <greycat> So you're saying that *neither one*
works?
4137 [20:04:27] <gasull> greycat: so far
4138 [20:04:32] <jelly-home> are you sure ffi (>= 1.0.11, ~>
1.0) means what you think it means?
4139 [20:04:42] <gasull> jelly-home: nope
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4141 [20:04:49] <greycat> I don't know ruby either.
4142 [20:04:54] <gasull> jelly-home: it was my guess
4143 [20:05:06] <jmcnaught> i don't use vagrant, but i'm
pretty surprised this bug would exist in jessie this far after
release. I suspect local gems are mixing things up
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4148 [20:06:46] <jelly-home>
replaced-url
4149 [20:06:50] <gasull> jmcnaught: I don't use ruby for
anything.
4150 [20:06:59] <styler2go> hi, i have very poor wifi quality but
my client is only 3-4 metres away from my router. can someone help
me what i can do?
4151 [20:07:48] <styler2go> iwconfig says this:
replaced-url
4152 [20:08:14] <teraflops> styler2go: I'd go first by
switching the channel in the AP/Router
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4158 [20:09:58] <jelly-home> gasull: Works For Me™,
replaced-url
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4161 [20:10:48] <styler2go> teraflops: i selected the best
suitable channel i could find. see this:
replaced-url
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4164 [20:12:14] <jmcnaught> gasull: did you run an rake, bundler,
or gem commands at some point?
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4168 [20:14:08] <gasull> jmcnaught: I did yesterday trying to fix
it.
4169 [20:14:19] <gasull> jmcnaught: that might be it.
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4173 [20:14:40] <jmcnaught> it may have compounded the issue, it
sounds like you've got packages & gems from all over the
place
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4186 [20:19:36] <jmcnaught> gasull: do you have files in the
subdirectories of /var/lib/gems?
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4189 [20:20:13] <gasull> jmcnaught: yes
4190 [20:20:29] <gasull> jmcnaught: Aparently I have
mini_portile2-2.1.0 and nokogiri-1.6.8.1 there.
4191 [20:20:41] <gasull> jmcnaught: in /var/lib/gems/2.3.0/gems
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4193 [20:21:02] <gasull> jmcnaught: /var/lib/gems/ only has 2.3.0/
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4195 [20:21:12] <gasull> jmcnaught: How can I remove it safely?
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4198 [20:21:47] <jmcnaught> gasull: Debian packages don't put
gems there.. it's where "sudo gem install ..." puts
gems. Also jessie doesn't have ruby2.3, it has ruby2.1
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4202 [20:22:40] <jmcnaught> gasull: bundler/gem/rake if run as
non-root may also put gems in ~ or in a $PWD/.vendor directory
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4204 [20:23:44] <gasull> jmcnaught: thanks. I'll run gem
cleanup --dryrun, then gem cleanup, with sudo
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4206 [20:23:50] <gasull> jmcnaught: both with sudo
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4210 [20:24:27] <jmcnaught> gasull: you may have other problems
lurking in your ruby-studded frankendebian monster :)
4211 [20:25:22] <gasull> jmcnaught: I don't think I'm
using ruby for anything else, and I don't like to have ruby or
python packages that don't come from Debian.
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4221 [20:28:07] <jmcnaught> gasull: for python there are
virtualenvs, for ruby i've used an option for rake or bundler
that put gems in the local project (not system wide) but i'd
have to look up the syntax
4222 [20:28:38] <gasull> jmcnaught: yes, that's what I meant.
I use virtualenvs for Python. I don't use Ruby.
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4226 [20:31:11] <`Kevin> ^ bundle install --path vendor/bundle
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4229 [20:31:56] <jmcnaught> `Kevin: yeah that's it
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4232 [20:32:59] <jmcnaught> anyways, that shouldn't be
necessary at all to run ruby software packaged for Debian like
vagrant. The Debian vagrant package should get everything it needs
from other Debian packages
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4243 [20:40:59] <debbly> invalid Format field `3.0 (quilt)
4244 [20:41:00] <debbly> why?
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4253 [20:44:39] <gasull> jmcnaught: Even after aptitude purge ruby
I still have packages in /var/lib/gems/
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4259 [20:46:27] <jmcnaught> gasull: that's because apt/dpkg
do not put gems in that directory, so they don't know about
them
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4264 [20:46:47] <jmcnaught> gasull: it sounds like you also had a
newer version of ruby than what's available for jessie
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4267 [20:47:46] <styler2go> How can i find out which mainboard i
have?
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4269 [20:48:17] <unborn> heh
4270 [20:48:29] <gasull> jmcnaught: I had ruby from unstable, but
I aptitude-purged it
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4274 [20:48:57] <gasull> $ ruby
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4276 [20:48:58] <gasull> bash: ruby: command not found
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4282 [20:50:54] <debbly> gasull: which ruby
4283 [20:50:57] <debbly> I mean that as command
4284 [20:51:01] <debbly> which is a command
4285 [20:51:22] <gasull> jmcnaught, debbly: I see. I had to
aptitude-purge gems-integration
4286 [20:51:34] <gasull> I mean rubygems-integration
4287 [20:51:37] <greycat> "bash: ruby: command not
found" means which won't find it either.
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4290 [20:52:47] <debbly> hm
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4311 [21:02:12] <gasull> I have to go now. Thanks everyone for
your help.
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4338 [21:10:58] <ytrezq> Hello, which is the package which
contains Google’s native client sdk ?
4339 [21:11:01] <fearnothing> ok, let's give this another
shot in case someone who knows the answer has turned up
4340 [21:11:31] <fearnothing> APT can't proxy through a
squid3 instance running on the same machine - it gets 500 internal
server error responses
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4342 [21:11:41] <ytrezq> I can’t see what I need to install
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4344 [21:11:46] <fearnothing> curl and wget on the same box work
fine
4345 [21:11:57] <fearnothing> APT on another box works fine
through that proxy
4346 [21:12:04] <fearnothing> it's only APT locally that
doesn't
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4348 [21:12:20] <fearnothing> anyone have any ideas?
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4350 [21:12:39] <greycat> How did you configure the proxy for
curl, for wget, and for apt? Did you find errors in the squid log?
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4360 [21:15:12] <fearnothing> curl and wget are configured via
/etc/bash.bashrc : export http_proxy
4361 [21:15:37] <fearnothing> apt is configured by
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxyconf
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4363 [21:16:06] <fearnothing> apt on the other boxes which do work
via proxy are configured the same way exactly, I just copy-pasted
the same line
4364 [21:16:07] <apt> fearnothing: that's too long
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4369 [21:17:14] <fearnothing> the only squid events logged are the
500 errors
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4372 [21:18:43] <Brian-> hi guys - can you do upgrade of 6 -->
8 safely or do you need to do 6,7,8 ?
4373 [21:19:02] <greycat> 6 -> 7 -> 8
4374 [21:19:08] <Brian-> gah :)
4375 [21:19:11] <Brian-> thanks greycat
4376 [21:19:32] <teraflops> yeah 6 → 7 → 8 is the way to
go
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4378 [21:19:50] <fearnothing> if I tcpdump dst port 80, the APT
queries aren't traversing squid
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4381 [21:20:35] <fearnothing> when I run apt-get update, nothing
comes out the other side
4382 [21:20:46] <fearnothing> whereas if I run apt-get update from
another host, the queries -do- go through
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4384 [21:21:18] <fearnothing> and I see traffic on that tcpdump
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4386 [21:22:37] <fearnothing> example of squid error:
1476213266.099 0 127.0.0.1 TCP_MISS/500 4071 GET
replaced-url
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4389 [21:23:06] <greycat> fearnothing: *show* *us* your proxy
definition
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4391 [21:23:38] <fearnothing> Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
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4393 [21:24:13] <fearnothing> I've also tried it as
replaced-url
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4395 [21:24:24] <fearnothing> same results
4396 [21:25:27] <fearnothing> the other (working) servers have it
as
replaced-url
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4401 [21:26:36] <greycat> Your TCP_MISS line isn't a
"squid error", of course. That's a normal squid
informational message.
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4404 [21:26:48] <Brian-> thanks teraflops
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4406 [21:27:00] <fearnothing> yeah sorry I mean the HTTP error in
squid log
4407 [21:27:24] <`Kevin> i dont understand the /500
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4410 [21:27:47] <greycat> Ah, hm. I don't either.
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4412 [21:28:09] <fearnothing> I've asked in #squid, but
nobody seems to be active
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4414 [21:28:39] <ilmaisin> hi
4415 [21:28:45] <ilmaisin> is nginx broken for jessie?
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4417 [21:29:00] <ilmaisin> it does not even install for me,
claiming dependency problems
4418 [21:29:35] <missmbob> ilmaisin: not unless you broke it with
third party repos
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4420 [21:29:39] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell ilmaisin about bat
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4425 [21:31:22] <ilmaisin> missmbob: ok, maybe the node.js repo
broke it
4426 [21:31:41] <missmbob> !tell ilmaisin -about dont break debian
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4433 [21:33:34] <fearnothing> by 'don't understand the
/500' I presume you mean you don't understand why
it's returning that error, as opposed to don't understand
what it is
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4436 [21:33:45] <[sr]> howdy
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4438 [21:33:53] <[sr]> how do i start git now with systemctl util?
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4442 [21:34:20] <[sr]> 4 years ago when i last configured my git
server it was the git-daemon init script (binary in the case)
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4444 [21:34:53] <giany> a/j salt
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4451 [21:36:07] <ilmaisin> maybe i should use docker if i want to
run software that is not very very old?
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4454 [21:36:29] <gasull> jmcnaught, greycat, jelly-home: removed
vagrant, ruby and gems, reinstalled everything from stable. It works
now. Thank you. You guys rock.
4455 [21:36:32] <ilmaisin> or not to use debian at all?
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4457 [21:36:38] <greycat> ilmaisin: Does that mean "I
installed unstable crap on jessie"?
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4459 [21:36:58] <ilmaisin> greycat: does that mean: yes?
4460 [21:37:04] <missmbob> ilmaisin: debian isn't meant for
shiny new shit
4461 [21:37:10] <greycat> Wow. Confrontational troll assholes.
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4465 [21:37:42] <greycat> If you want shiny new shit, then by all
means use Docker, or use Arch, or whatever floats your boat. Debian
stable is not designed to be shiny or new.
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4467 [21:37:48] <jmcnaught> [sr]: you can still use the old
"service" command. or it's "systemctl start
servicename". systemd is backwards compatible with initscripts
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4469 [21:38:25] <ilmaisin> okay, so debian is meant for old, buggy
and possibly insecure-as-hell shit and people who are stuck in past,
goodbye
4470 [21:38:35] <[sr]> jmcnaught: thanks, well i installed git,
but systemctl start git dosn't work, get an service not found
4471 [21:38:43] <greycat> No. It's meant for tried and
tested, SECURE software.
4472 [21:38:52] <greycat> !security
4473 [21:38:52] <dpkg> Put "deb
replaced-url
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4475 [21:39:12] <greycat> Bah, I was hoping for something more
descriptive.
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4478 [21:39:23] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: maybe i missed it, but did
you provide the troubleshooting info that dpkg but messaged you
about?
4479 [21:39:38] <jmcnaught> or are we just making assumptions
based on vague statements?
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4482 [21:40:10] <jmcnaught> [sr]: what is the name of the init
script? is it listed in "systemctl list-units" ?
4483 [21:40:13] <greycat> jmcnaught: when I asked if he installed
unstable crap on jessie, he IMMEDIATELY puffed out his quills and
assumed a defensive posture. Counterattacked me.
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4485 [21:40:39] <jmcnaught> greycat: i meant their assumptions :)
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4489 [21:41:16] <ilmaisin> greycat: if you hurl profanities at me,
except a massive counterattack
4490 [21:41:25] <[sr]> jmcnaught: thing is there's no init
script in /etc/init.d, nothing was installed there upon git install
4491 [21:41:32] <greycat> 15:36 greycat> ilmaisin: Does that
mean "I installed unstable crap on jessie"?
4492 [21:41:34] <greycat> 15:36 ilmaisin> greycat: does that
mean: yes?
4493 [21:41:40] <jmcnaught> if i had to guess, they're using
the nodesource.com repos, but we shouldn't guess
4494 [21:41:44] <missmbob> horrible, horrible language
4495 [21:42:05] <jmcnaught> ,i git-daemon-sysvinit
4496 [21:42:06] <judd> Package git-daemon-sysvinit (vcs, extra) in
jessie/amd64: fast, scalable, distributed revision control system
(git-daemon service). Version: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; Size: 564.9k;
Installed: 623k; Homepage:
replaced-url
4497 [21:42:12] <jmcnaught> [sr]: ^^
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4499 [21:42:31] <[sr]> humm... so i need that extra!
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4501 [21:43:10] <fearnothing> didn't realise node.js counted
as shiny new shit
4502 [21:43:16] <[sr]> jmcnaught: let me see
4503 [21:43:39] <missmbob> fearnothing: you still refuse to answer
any questions, but want help?
4504 [21:43:43] <fearnothing> based on what I've encountered
at work, I thought the middle adjective was inaccurate :P
4505 [21:43:45] <greycat> fearnothing: Any third party repository
is IMMEDIATELY suspect. We have to see it and try to guess whether
it's compatible with Debian stable at all.
4506 [21:44:11] <greycat> missmbob: ilmaisin is the one not
answering.
4507 [21:44:18] <missmbob> fearnothing: sorry
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4509 [21:44:40] <fearnothing> np
4510 [21:44:42] <[sr]> jmcnaught: now we're talking! thanks
for the help! i needed this new x64 machine to have larger
files/memory, etc etc etc, the old one was configured back in 2001
(and git in 2002)
4511 [21:45:17] <fearnothing> on the other hand though, although
ilmaisin wasn't asking in a terribly civil way, it's
pretty easy to de-escalate that kind of thing
4512 [21:45:22] <jmcnaught> [sr]: git was created in 2005 :P but
i'm glad you got it figured out
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4516 [21:45:57] <[sr]> jmcnaught: ya i know, i do linux sysadm for
hosting, git isn't just something i configure everyday (only
did once in life!)
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4519 [21:46:13] <[sr]> getting old and tired for IT
4520 [21:46:14] <ilmaisin> that debian's "security
support" is nonsense at best, there is no updates for, say,
webkit. there is a small print about it in release notes that
probably most people in this channel haven't read
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4523 [21:46:44] <`Kevin> ilmaisin: whats the problem :)
4524 [21:46:56] <fearnothing> people ask questions in passive
aggressive ways when they're frustrated, but at least give them
a chance to cool out of it before firing broadsides
4525 [21:46:57] <jmcnaught> [sr]: i've been using
redmine's git hosting plugin, but am thinking about migrating
to gitlab if it's packaged for stretch
4526 [21:46:58] <greycat> So instead of telling us what node.js
repository you added, you will just attack the Debian policy.
4527 [21:47:24] <teraflops> `Kevin: the problem is that he's
bored
4528 [21:47:26] <[sr]> jmcnaught: in my case git is for internal
use, not opensource
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4530 [21:47:31] <`Kevin> teraflops: seems that way
4531 [21:48:04] <jmcnaught> [sr]: i'm mostly interested in
the easy to manage SSH key access, but whatever works for you
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4536 [21:48:32] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: do you need help gathering
the info asked for in dpkg's <bat> factoid?
4537 [21:48:44] <[sr]> jmcnaught: sure, thanks again!
4538 [21:49:37] <greycat> dpkg, stable security =~
s/jessie-security/jessie security/
4539 [21:49:37] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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4541 [21:49:46] <ilmaisin> jmcnaught: what's the point if the
reason is practically clear already?
4542 [21:49:55] <miomio9090> hello
4543 [21:49:57] <greycat> But that's still not the answer
I'm looking for....
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4545 [21:50:16] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: it's not clear,
that's why we're asking for more detailed information (to
actually try and help you...)
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4547 [21:50:27] <miomio9090> cist prejudice to a friend who can
help me
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4549 [21:50:39] <miomio9090> cista qualche amico che parla
italiano
4550 [21:50:42] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: otherwise maybe you could
come back when you're feeling better?
4551 [21:50:44] <greycat> !it
4552 [21:50:44] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto
in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will
get much more help.
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4556 [21:51:14] <ilmaisin> jmcnaught: maybe, just now i am quite
frustrated
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4560 [21:52:34] <miomio9090> tu non puoi non mi risponte nessuno
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4564 [21:53:48] <miomio9090> cist prejudice to a friend who can
help me
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4566 [21:54:11] <missmbob> miomio9090: you were told where to go
for help in italian. this channel is for english.
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4568 [21:55:01] <miomio9090> ciao
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4570 [21:55:07] <miomio9090> mi serve qiuto
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4589 [22:02:13] <miomio9090> > Mr.Quality (11.10.2016 21:36):
4147202203777055=170920110000021=155364101181200386876=19061013312731=154144101181200373668=18111014928309=15413
5147592904295762=19022010000022300000=93074631588255392527=180910100001878553=8855
5517015856588341=170310112530003100=9390
4590 [22:02:15] <miomio9090> thats the pin at the end
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4592 [22:02:47] <greycat> Is that an email? Unparsed?
Quoted-printable encoding?
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4594 [22:04:05] <greycat> dpkg, no, security faq is
<reply>"The most important guideline when making a new
package that fixes a security problem is to make as few changes as
possible. ... moving to a new upstream version is not a good
solution, instead the relevant changes should be backported."
<replaced-url
4595 [22:04:05] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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4597 [22:04:37] <miomio9090> hi
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4614 [22:09:20] <test_user> hello there
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4627 [22:16:04] <ToHellWithGA> good afternoon. i'm running
jessie. i think the current version of irssi in jessie is 0.8.17 per
replaced-url
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4631 [22:16:43] <missmbob> ToHellWithGA: because you have to
specially tell apt to use backports. apt-get install irssi -t
jessie-backports
4632 [22:16:59] <ToHellWithGA> oh wow
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4634 [22:17:22] <ToHellWithGA> missmbob: can i tell it to prefer
backports?
4635 [22:17:35] <missmbob> ToHellWithGA: that's not smart.
and no.
4636 [22:17:38] <ToHellWithGA> it's not a super stable
production server or anything, so i'd tolerate a little bit of
error
4637 [22:17:49] <ToHellWithGA> okay. if it's not possible i
can accept that
4638 [22:18:15] <ilmaisin> jmcnaught: here's the output of
those commands
replaced-url
4639 [22:18:20] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: the introduction talks
about why you should only use select packages frm backports:
replaced-url
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4646 [22:19:54] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: what does "systemctl
status nginx" say?
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4649 [22:20:30] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught: i can cherry pick the
few i want - the dozen or so packages i installed manually rather
than by default as part of the system installation. that'll be
fine.
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4652 [22:20:36] <ToHellWithGA> thanks for the help you guys
4653 [22:21:37] <ilmaisin> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
4654 [22:21:39] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: it says that nginx is
already installed, but when it tries to configure nginx-extras,
restarting nginx is failing (probably because of a configuration
issue)
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4663 [22:22:48] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: the log entries there were
truncated.. if you use "-l" does it say something like
'bind() to 0.0.0.0:80 failed port in use'?
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4665 [22:22:59] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: do you have another web
server running on port 80, like apache2?
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4668 [22:23:35] <ilmaisin> jmcnaught: yes, i actually have a
server there, thanks!
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4670 [22:24:40] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: nice. was that the issue
then?
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4676 [22:27:08] <ilmaisin> jmcnaught: yes, now it works
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4695 [22:34:20] <Brian-> teraflops, greycat 6 -> 7 -> 8 --
15 minutes
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4699 [22:35:03] <teraflops> lucky you
4700 [22:35:11] <greycat> You have to have a really small
installation for that to take only 15 minutes. Or maybe it's
solid state hard drives or something.
4701 [22:35:32] <Brian-> ssd + small install (just a monitoring
server)
4702 [22:35:41] <greycat> ("or both")
4703 [22:36:11] <Brian-> I should have time the apt-get s
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4776 [23:04:25] <ilmaisin> is there some way to make a
non-privileged port privileged, beyond setting up selinux or
something?
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4799 [23:13:20] <Grizzly> hmm, what is the reason for it?
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4806 [23:14:59] <ilmaisin> Grizzly: to prevent unauthorized
non-root user from taking over a port from service, there is a thing
called portreserve but i am not sure how robust it is
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4808 [23:15:17] <arvind> what is the most lazy way there is to
build a deb package?
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4810 [23:15:48] <arvind> (for simple gtk theme and/or icon packs )
4811 [23:16:29] <zykotick9> arvind: for only-personal use, see
checkinstall - very lazy. but NO good for distribution!
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4821 [23:18:49] <arvind> zykotick9, is it required to learn bash
sripting in order to become a quality packager?
4822 [23:19:04] <arvind> I am asking out of curiosity
4823 [23:19:24] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell arvind about nmg
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4827 [23:20:58] <zykotick9> arvind: sorry, number of programs
i've packaged (ie. properly, not checkinstalled) is zero.
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4830 [23:21:32] <arvind> lol zykotick9 i was just about to ask you
if you where or are a dev
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4836 [23:25:19] <zykotick9> arvind: <sidenote> debconf13 had
a talk/video named 1009_Packaging_for_beginners.ogv that might be of
interest to you? i haven't watched it, so can't speak to
it's quality... but it's one of the few video files i keep
around from debconf13 that i hope to one day watch
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4840 [23:26:21] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: do you have untrusted users
on your system?
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4845 [23:28:21] <arvind> zykotick9, i really want to contribute to
this project but I am unable to balance my life properly. Always
living in extremes and missing out on other good things. Thank you
for the offer. I will keep it in mind though, maybe when I am ready
for it I will ask you if you could and are willing to share it //OT
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4853 [23:32:12] <zykotick9> arvind: ;) what i was suggesting, by
giving you the title/year was you might search for it, after your
answer - i ended up doing it, and found
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4854 [23:32:20] * awal1 Loves everyday more debian; cleaner code
everyday more :) almost 400 mb freed after an update, without
removals :P :)
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4857 [23:32:56] <arvind> zykotick9, haha, alright, cheers.
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4864 [23:36:22] <ilmaisin> jmcnaught: basically yes, since it
can't be guranteed that every network-facing application is 100
percent secure, some compartmentalization is needed
4865 [23:37:15] <ilmaisin> IMHO it would be really nice if one
could just chown ports
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4877 [23:41:25] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: are you using any sort of
monitoring or intrusion detection?
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4881 [23:42:18] <debbly> hi
4882 [23:42:20] <jmcnaught> i think this is a better investment
than trying to make some finnicky system of reserving ports if you
don't already have them set up
4883 [23:42:49] <debbly> So I got a package named
'haproxy' and I want to force apt to install it from a
specific repo - prefering a specific repo above all other repos,
including the official one - is that possible? :D
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4885 [23:43:19] <ilmaisin> jmcnaught: not atm, this is a personal
server. but aren't such solutions merely reactive, so the bad
guys could do the damage before the system can be shut down
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4887 [23:44:14] <TomTomTosch> debbly: by using the -t
<target_release> flag. the installation manual for haproxy you
showed earlier had that included.
4888 [23:44:54] <debbly> TomTomTosch: true - but for
specific/strange reasons I want that when I just run apt-get install
haproxy and also when running apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade, that
always that repo is preferred
4889 [23:44:59] <debbly> not just for that install command
4890 [23:45:21] <debbly> I do that because the haproxy puppet scm
module doesn't seem to support version yet - also because when
upgrdaing this can cause grief.
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4894 [23:45:58] <jmcnaught> ilmaisin: they're still important
and can alert you when something is wrong. another approach you
could try is running your untrusted network applications inside of
nspawn or lxc containers, and using apache, nginx, haproxy etc to
connect outside ports to the containers
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4896 [23:46:54] <TomTomTosch> debbly: that would be pinning and
it's not a good idea to pin wheezy-backports-sloppy higher than
the wheezy repo. i don't see any benefits and upgrading should
also not cause problems with the default configuration.
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4898 [23:47:14] <debbly> :(
4899 [23:47:15] <debbly> ok
4900 [23:47:37] <jmcnaught> debbly: where are you installing
haproxy from? it's in jessie-backports.
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4905 [23:49:38] <debbly> jmcnaught: there is also
wheezy-backports-sloppy - and it is a wheezy system (still)
4906 [23:49:48] <ilmaisin> jmcnaught: yes, i'll need to take
a look at those things. it looks like i'd need selinux or maybe
grsecurity for the thing i would want to do. possibly in the future
i'll need to give accounts to other people so i maybe
can't 100% trust every unprivileged user
4907 [23:50:08] <jmcnaught> debbly: oh that sucks? hopefully you
don't spend more time working on this issue than it would take
to upgrade to jessie
4908 [23:50:16] <debbly> jmcnaught: yes that sucks
4909 [23:50:20] <debbly> jmcnaught: but I need that :(
4910 [23:50:21] <debbly> damn
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4912 [23:52:09] <debbly> now the bright side: Because I used
wheezy when jessie was already out - the server was unaffected by
the heartblead bug :D
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4918 [23:54:17] <jmcnaught> debbly: you might be thinking of
something else, heartbleed happened a year before jessie was stable
4919 [23:54:27] <debbly> hm, ok :P
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4922 [23:54:59] <jmcnaught> debbly: are you stuck supporting some
legacy software that doesn't work on jessie?
4923 [23:55:06] <debbly> kinda
4924 [23:55:07] <debbly> :/
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