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• 22[00:27:58] <peterrooney> I have a computer with both HDMI and DVI outputs, monitor _only_ attached to DVI. Console messages go to monitor on boot, and the various TTYs also,, but for X, every display managers see a non-existent monitor attached to HDMI and make that the primary output. Using names determined by /sys/class/drm, I've tried various combinations of video=XXX:d video=YYY:e at boot, to either no result or "signal out of range". Any ideas what I
• 23[00:27:58] <peterrooney> should ask next?
• 24[00:28:37] <peterrooney> Some desktop environments let me pop up an xterm under the mouse after a 'blind' login, others do not.
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• 26[00:29:16] <peterrooney> I'd like to not have to run xrandr after every login.
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• 28[00:30:19] <klys> peterrooney, have you considered forming a complete /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? docs are at freedesktop.org
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• 32[00:32:07] <peterrooney> klys, like it's 2002 all over again? I have not considered that yet. One moment.
• 33[00:33:44] <aindilis> what is the best way to play Doom on Debian, as close to the original?
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• 37[00:37:34] <klys> aindilis, not sure, though I'd try with qemu/freedos
• 38[00:38:36] <klys> then again you could probably get by with wine32:i386+dosbox
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• 45[00:50:53] <aindilis> klys: I wound up just using freedoom
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• 51[01:04:53] <peterrooney> Well that's not where the docs are. "Xorg -configure", followed by "X -config xorg.conf.new" gives the fatuous error message, "Fatal server error:\n(EE) no screens found(EE)"
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• 57[01:10:19] <klys> peterrooney, take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and perhaps paste that if you want more assistance.
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• 75[01:23:55] <peterrooney> klys: replaced-url
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• 77[01:25:41] <peterrooney> interesting to me is that (i) X re-enables the HDMI at all in the first place, and (ii) X uses slightly different names for the video ports.
• 78[01:26:17] <klys> peterrooney, take a look at line 17? please specify a /path/to/your/xorg.conf.new
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• 81[01:31:01] <peterrooney> whoops. replaced-url
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• 85[01:33:23] <klys> peterrooney, lloks like you need to tell it to use "radeon" instead of "amdgpu".
• 86[01:33:40] <klys> for further assistance you can post your xorg.conf
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• 90[01:39:13] <Okee> Can someone offer a suggestion for reducing Touchpad sensitivity in Debian stable? I took a look at replaced-url
• 91[01:39:18] <peterrooney> xorg.conf.new, pasted at replaced-url
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• 100[01:48:46] <peterrooney> klys: well, changing amdgpu to radeon does make that work, but that is a separate issue. interesting that the autogenerated conffile doesn't work, but using without a conffile DOES work.
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• 103[01:50:52] <peterrooney> i'm swearing up and down at this zotac; nothing on it has been straightforward. boot, networking, sound, X
• 104[01:51:35] <klys> peterrooney, I only see one monitor section in your xorg.conf.new file; so does that have the issue with the secondary monitor or not?
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• 111[02:04:25] <peterrooney> klys: I don't know. As I understand it, the issue is that X *is "using" a non-existent monitor as primary display.
• 112[02:04:29] <peterrooney> * (and thus, display managers and session managers)
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• 115[02:05:32] <klys> peterrooney, the output of xrandr should tell you
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• 120[02:12:06] <klys> replaced-url
• 121[02:12:11] <klys> ...
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• 137[02:25:10] <peterrooney> klys: paste.debian.net unreachable from here. output from xrandr -q (using corrected xorg.conf.new) replaced-url
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• 140[02:32:27] <klys> peterrooney, try adding the following to xorg.conf.new in Section "Device": Option "Monitor-VGA-0" "Monitor0"
• 141[02:32:51] <klys> and come back and say if it still has two monitors in xrandr
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• 150[02:40:57] <peterrooney> klys: output is (according to diff) identical.
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• 152[02:42:10] <peterrooney> klys: thank you for your time; I've learned a bit; now i have to get to meatspace class.
• 153[02:42:32] <Okee> would anyone have a suggestion on how I may reduce the touchpad sensitivity in Debian Stable on a System76 Oryx Pro? I tried running commands found at the following URL, but so far haven't accomplished anything replaced-url
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• 158[02:44:33] <klys> replaced-url
• 159[02:44:35] <klys> oop
• 160[02:44:39] <klys> replaced-url
• 161[02:44:46] <ardualabs> Have you considered changing the moust/touchpad sensitivity settings in the desktop you're using Okee?
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• 163[02:45:15] <ardualabs> accelleration or something like that should be a value you can change there.
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• 165[02:46:49] <klys> peterrooney: basically just add also to the Section "Device": Screen 0
• 166[02:47:24] <Okee> arualabs> I attempted to do that by following the instructions from replaced-url
• 167[02:47:58] <ardualabs> Okay, well as to your hardware, I'm afraid I don't have every model memorized or whatnot.
• 168[02:48:27] <ardualabs> You've left off some key information, which makes me think you need to do a little more troubleshooting than a reddit article.
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• 170[02:49:11] <ardualabs> desktop environment, *which* debian Stable (stretch?), and so on. That sort of thing is more important than the exact make and model of your laptop.
• 171[02:49:36] <ardualabs> So again, I'd recommend you look at the tracking settings for your desktop environment, whichever one that is.
• 172[02:49:47] <Okee> I am taking a break and will return in about an 1.5 hrs.
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• 174[02:51:51] <ardualabs> Good luck. I'll help if you've tried the things I've mentioned when you get back, but I think you're going about this the hard way.
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• 197[03:13:51] <uniqdom> Hello, does this mean that my laptop has 2 graphics card? replaced-url
• 198[03:14:21] <uniqdom> Intel Corporation HD Graphics 620
• 199[03:14:30] <uniqdom> NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 940MX]
• 200[03:14:40] <uniqdom> for intel says: replaced-url
• 201[03:14:48] <uniqdom> sorry... for intel says: VGA compatible controller
• 202[03:14:53] <mefistofeles> uniqdom: basically yes, it's probably using optimus technology
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• 204[03:20:44] <uniqdom> I see. does Optimus technology is a software thing or a hardware thing? I mean, can I disable by software NVIDIA card at all, and just use the integrated intel card?
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• 210[03:23:20] <RoyK> uniqdom: usually one graphics card for the internal display and one for the potential external one
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• 222[03:31:26] <rustbuckett> hello all! i'm having a problem with rsync
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• 226[03:33:19] <rustbuckett> i'm trying to use rsync to tranfer directories/files from my desktop to my laptop, but it's giving me an error about protocol mismatch. both systems are running Debian Stretch, rsync 3.1.2 protocol 31, and the daemon is running on the "remote" system
• 227[03:34:37] <rustbuckett> oh! also, i have the systems setup to use ssh rsa keys for auth, and i'm able to connect via ssh
• 228[03:35:00] <rustbuckett> and it was working before update
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• 240[03:54:39] <linuxthefish> hi, is it a bug that "for CT in $(cat 3.txt); do echo $CT ; echo; done" treats 1 line of JSON as 3 separate lines? I wrote replaced-url
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• 298[05:27:56] <allohol> Is it possible to have debian without systemd?
• 299[05:28:51] <LoRez> devuan?
• 300[05:29:05] <allohol> That's not debian
• 301[05:29:46] <LoRez> eh, you can be purist, or you can skip systemd. pick your poison.
• 302[05:30:18] <allohol> Purist, skip? What do you mean?
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• 306[05:32:35] <LoRez> debian includes systemd. including integrating it into everything. If you don't want it, you don't want debian at this point.
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• 308[05:33:20] <allohol> 'At this point'? So there is hope?
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• 310[05:33:54] <LoRez> you could get into the debian project and push for its removal, but that road may not be easy or quick.
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• 313[05:35:02] <allohol> ...since all the VeteranUnixAdmins left already -- i know :(
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• 315[05:36:09] <LoRez> so, presently it's devuan or a custom self-hacked debian close enough to devuan to not be worth not using it?
• 316[05:37:29] <allohol> 'NOT be worth NOT using it'? You're confusing me
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• 318[05:38:58] <allohol> atm i'm on old stable with init and purged systemd. Works like a charm but every pkg linked against any sysD pulls it in again. That's very annoying
• 319[05:39:56] <allohol> So, to overcome this i thought about building fake debs for all *systemd'
• 320[05:40:34] <allohol> I just wondered if anyone has any experience with that?
• 321[05:41:36] <keur> lol
• 322[05:42:51] <allohol> keur: don't hestitate to be a bit more verbose ;)
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• 332[05:55:37] <klys> allohol, are you using systemd-shim ? That's the most official way I can think of. and it may not work with gnome3.
• 333[05:56:30] <klys> on the other hand, Xwayland may not necessarily require systemd.
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• 335[05:58:12] <klys> allohol, if you want actual support for systemd-shim to continue, see: replaced-url
• 336[05:58:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 337[05:58:39] <allohol> Never liked gnome tbh, so that's not a problem for me. But systemd-shim doesn't prevent sysD components to be installed as deps, does it?
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• 339[06:01:50] <klys> allohol, sysvinit-core is what boots systemd-shim. the systemd libs are linked into several things.
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• 343[06:06:33] <allohol> I installed sysvinit-core + -utils but firefox for instance brought back systemd.
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• 345[06:08:26] <klys> allohol, one thing I reccommend keeping is libsystemd-login0 as it's capable of creating a multihead system with kmscon, according to some docs. I haven't had success with that myself, though I have done graphical multihead with Xephyr
• 346[06:09:03] <klys> recommend*
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• 351[06:15:55] <klys> allohol, are you trying to isolate mozilla-firefox's dependency on systemd? I may have a few questions about what you want to do about it.
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• 357[06:21:04] <allohol> Nope, haven't delved ingo it. Just did apt install firefox-esr and found exactly that *-logjn0 afterwards
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• 360[06:24:36] <klys> allohol, translation: firefox depends on libsystemd-login0 and therefore you have systemd. is sysvinit-core still installed? because libsystemd-login0 only depends on libc6 and multiarch-support.
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• 362[06:28:14] <allohol> It is .. at least i did not remove it intentionally
• 363[06:29:08] <allohol> I purged all sysD afterwards - again - and everything, including firefox still works flawless
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• 365[06:30:44] <klys> allohol, so, what do you think should be done about multihead? (separate users with separate screens and usb keyboards)
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• 383[06:51:32] <klys> allohol, here's something related to multihead I thought might interest you: replaced-url
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• 387[06:57:13] <klys> allohol, also when inquiring about kms framebuffersupport awhile back, someone linked me this: replaced-url
• 388[06:57:45] <klys> I wasn't able to set the video mode with it myself, though someone may be able to.
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• 406[07:26:20] <allohol> klys: funny coincidence - that's what made me purge sysD in first place - kms issues. With nomodeset some odd sysD timer, or whatever sent my sys to hibernate and it really drove me nuts that weren't able to figure out what part of sysD caused this.
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• 430[08:19:38] <k-man> is there a gui tool one can use for writing debian iso images to a usb stick?
• 431[08:20:55] <klys> k-man, you're supposed to use dd for that. unetbootin or whatever doesn't do it.
• 432[08:21:13] <k-man> klys, i know, i can do dd or cp, either work fine
• 433[08:21:32] <k-man> but wondered if there is some other tools for doing it
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• 438[08:25:24] <wgas> etcher? available as appimage, no install, been working ok for me
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• 441[08:26:14] <k-man> appmimages are new to me
• 442[08:26:19] <k-man> how do I install one?
• 443[08:26:37] <wgas> self contained just set permissions
• 444[08:26:54] <k-man> taking a look now
• 445[08:27:08] <wgas> it uses dd apparently
• 446[08:28:06] <k-man> nice
• 447[08:28:30] <k-man> what i dislike about using dd and cp, is i have to carefuly determine which device the usb stick enumrated as
• 448[08:28:48] <k-man> its too easy to make a mistake
• 449[08:28:51] <wgas> etcher makes that simple
• 450[08:29:01] <k-man> yeah, i saw, it only displayed removable meadia
• 451[08:29:03] <k-man> media
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• 511[09:38:22] <k-man> does the debian installer support any fs that have compression built in?
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• 517[09:46:53] <joze> no
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• 519[09:47:29] <k-man> thanks joze
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• 545[10:25:36] <beepnboop-> how do i know if my laptop is running on fastest preset? its really really slow
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• 547[10:28:00] <tarzeau_> joze, k-man: btrfs?
• 548[10:28:32] <joze> I assumed on setup in the installer?
• 549[10:28:51] <tarzeau_> you can select it to create btrfs partitions, can't you?
• 550[10:29:12] <tarzeau_> replaced-url
• 551[10:29:46] <joze> sorry for my meta trolling
• 552[10:30:55] <fpat> lmao
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• 556[10:34:09] <jediofthecode> hey, where is the best place to report backports issues ?
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• 559[10:34:55] <fpat> jediofthecode: the bug tracker: replaced-url
• 560[10:35:09] <fpat> no. wait
• 561[10:35:16] <fpat> hahah, i am confused
• 562[10:36:03] <jediofthecode> fpat: it's an issue with a stretch-backports package
• 563[10:36:21] <jediofthecode> not necisarily a bug, but the linux-image-amd64 meta package is broken
• 564[10:36:35] <beepnboop-> and btw does debian has task manager?
• 565[10:36:40] <fpat> better ignore me like everyone else
• 566[10:37:01] <jediofthecode> fpat: lol oaky
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• 573[10:42:30] <jediofthecode> nevermind, it has been solved since last night apparently
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• 576[10:54:40] <beepnboop-> is there a difference between sudo apt-get update and sudo apt update?
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• 579[11:00:07] <Brigo> beepnboop-, no
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• 581[11:01:32] <ksk> Brigo: sure? isnt apt update a fancy better for humans display? (I have to admit I know that from ubuntu, I mostly stick to invoking apt-get )
• 582[11:01:55] <ksk> yes it is.
• 583[11:02:02] <Brigo> ksk, yes, it is, i was talking about the results.
• 584[11:02:20] <ksk> kk
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• 586[11:03:15] <beepnboop-> til
• 587[11:03:20] <beepnboop-> good to know
• 588[11:03:32] <beepnboop-> apt-get update is awful to try read through
• 589[11:03:57] <epicmetal> It's easily rred once you get used to it
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• 603[11:17:37] <fr0xk> Where this Libreoffice logo gone in Debian? replaced-url
• 604[11:17:58] <fr0xk> Issue faced in Debian Backports, Testing and Sid
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• 616[11:23:54] <petn-randall> fr0xk: Where do you expect a logo?
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• 628[11:36:41] <jediofthecode> beepnboop-: just use apt then ? it's abit cleaner i guyess
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• 702[12:28:19] <Janni> Hello there.
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• 705[12:31:37] <Janni> I have two different disks with encrypted partitions (cryptsetup). Is it irresponsible to add the same passphrase to each disk. (Irresponsible in the sense that it will hugely increase an attacker's probability of success if he has both disks and knows that two passphrases are identical)
• 706[12:32:01] <Janni> ?
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• 709[12:36:34] <rudi_s> Janni: No, that's fine. Of course reusing the same password for different hosts can be problematic.
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• 719[12:48:43] <Janni> Thanks.
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• 771[13:38:04] <andre144k> hi all... i have follow PS1 variable: PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]> '
• 772[13:38:36] <andre144k> maybee someone knows how setup this "light" green into "darker" green color?
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• 774[13:39:04] <de-facto> can someone help me to correctly setup /etc/hosts for a server with own public IPv4 and IPv6 addresses? what i have so far is replaced-url
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• 779[13:40:03] <juhop> andre144k: 01;32 is bright/bold green, 00;32 is normal green
• 780[13:40:40] <andre144k> juhop, thx much :)
• 781[13:40:57] <juhop> np
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• 784[13:44:09] <de-facto> i think the IPv6 entries are not correct
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• 786[13:45:19] <petn-randall> andre144k: If you do an internet search for "ANSI colours", you'll find a list for it.
• 787[13:46:39] <petn-randall> de-facto: That's expected, as the fqdn and /etc/hosts are not related.
• 788[13:47:29] <de-facto> what would be the ipv6 equivalent of "127.0.1.1 example.org example" ?
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• 791[13:48:05] <petn-randall> de-facto: The fqdn is assembled from the output of 'hostname', which in turn is configured in /etc/hostname, and whatever value you have set for "domain" in /etc/resolv.conf.
• 792[13:48:26] <petn-randall> de-facto: "::1" is the loopback address in IPv6.
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• 794[13:49:41] <de-facto> petn-randall, I have "example" in /etc/hostname and "domain org" and "search org" in /etc/resolv.conf
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• 796[13:50:08] <petn-randall> de-facto: Then your fqdn is "example.org".
• 797[13:50:19] <de-facto> yes exactly
• 798[13:50:27] <de-facto> but when i add "::1 example.org example" in /etc/hosts python sees it as localhost
• 799[13:50:40] <de-facto> python -c 'import socket; print socket.getfqdn();'
• 800[13:50:45] <andre144k> petn-randall, thx 02;32 seems better :)
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• 802[13:51:51] <petn-randall> de-facto: That's also expected. Did you read the docs about socket.getfqdn yet?
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• 804[13:52:23] <de-facto> nope, i try to setup kolab and they put it in their wiki as for having it correct before setup
• 805[13:52:47] <de-facto> it should yield "example.org" as it does without that "::1" entry
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• 813[13:56:46] <de-facto> it always gives me "WARNING: The Fully Qualified Domain Name or FQDN for this system is incorrect. Falling back to 'localdomain'." which i take serious, so my hostname is not setup correctly
• 814[14:03:14] <petn-randall> de-facto: Then you need to have "127.0.0.1 your.fqdn localhost" as line, and the same for "::1".
• 815[14:04:12] <aloo_shu> was 127.0.1.1 a typo furtner up?
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• 819[14:07:37] <de-facto> nope I read one should not use 127.0.0.1 but 127.0.1.1 for fqdn
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• 821[14:08:08] <de-facto> it also might be required to have a three part fqdn like mail.example.org...
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• 855[14:48:37] <AeCEgGfTv5> is there a way to check if the network is idle
• 856[14:48:42] <AeCEgGfTv5> WAN is idle*
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• 860[14:52:14] <Brigo> AeCEgGfTv5, a sniffer?
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• 862[14:52:41] <AeCEgGfTv5> is there anything that comes default with debian?
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• 864[14:53:00] <petn-randall> AeCEgGfTv5: Nothing comes by default. It also depends on your definition of idle.
• 865[14:53:29] <AeCEgGfTv5> I have a openVPN connection (tun0 interface), if there is no activity on that tun0, I'd like to disconnect and reconnect it
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• 869[14:53:59] <AeCEgGfTv5> one possible way is to have iptables log tun0 traffic to a file and just check the timestamp of that file
• 870[14:54:18] <SwedeMike> AeCEgGfTv5: why do you want to disconnect and reconnect it?
• 871[14:54:22] <Haohmaru> mmm, prepare your hard disk
• 872[14:54:24] <AeCEgGfTv5> recycle ip address
• 873[14:54:48] <AeCEgGfTv5> right now, for the last 3 days, I'm connected to the same IP/location
• 874[14:55:05] <Brigo> AeCEgGfTv5, are you sure? i can turn off and on my router and the ip doesn't change.
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• 876[14:55:32] <AeCEgGfTv5> yeah, it depends on your VPN. If you have a good VPN provider, the ip should change
• 877[14:56:13] <AeCEgGfTv5> I should rephrase that, if you have a privacy oriented VPN, the ip should change
• 878[14:56:25] <AeCEgGfTv5> as VPNs technically have nothing to do with privacy
• 879[14:57:11] <petn-randall> AeCEgGfTv5: openvpn has a setting called "--inactive" that does just that.
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• 881[14:58:36] <AeCEgGfTv5> interesting, I might try that
• 882[14:59:15] <AeCEgGfTv5> still once the vpn disconnected, I guess I will put a script in if-down.d to bring it back up
• 883[14:59:58] <AeCEgGfTv5> anyone good with ip table routing?
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• 889[15:03:41] <petn-randall> AeCEgGfTv5: iptables does filtering, not routing.
• 890[15:03:51] <AeCEgGfTv5> yeah but it can forward traffic?
• 891[15:03:55] <AeCEgGfTv5> isn't that routing?
• 892[15:04:07] <AeCEgGfTv5> for an example, it can forward traffic from one interface to another
• 893[15:04:18] <petn-randall> AeCEgGfTv5: routing decisions are made in the routing table, which you can configure with 'ip route'.
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• 896[15:05:07] <AeCEgGfTv5> yes I understand but isn't this what FORWARD rule is also doing?
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• 898[15:05:33] <AeCEgGfTv5> iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o tun0 -j ACCEPT <-- isn't this routing
• 899[15:06:46] <AeCEgGfTv5> I think they can both do routing (route is faster since it's at the kernel level as I understand)
• 900[15:07:18] <AeCEgGfTv5> replaced-url
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• 906[15:11:32] <AeCEgGfTv5> can someone help review my iptable rules?
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• 909[15:13:17] <z8z> Any idea how to send ctrl
• 910[15:13:35] <z8z> Any idea how to send ctrl+alt+canc using vinagre to rdp desktop?
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• 922[15:18:53] <petn-randall> AeCEgGfTv5: That rule *allows* routing between those interfaces, it in no way changes routing decisions.
• 923[15:20:05] <AeCEgGfTv5> the current rules I have are working.....so my guess is openvpn adds the route between the interfaces or something
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• 932[15:28:54] <StringLiteral> hello, apparently "python3-rope" package is not available on stretch..I get missing dependency error when the program starts: "rope >=0.9.4: None (NOK)"
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• 935[15:32:31] <petn-randall> StringLiteral: You can either install python-rope and use python2, or you need to install it locally with `pip3 install rope`.
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• 943[15:37:35] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, this is my current problem; I can't do anything with pip3, this error is shown: "The folder you are executing pip from can no longer be found."
• 944[15:38:00] <StringLiteral> I have pip also installed
• 945[15:38:02] <petn-randall> StringLiteral: That usually happens if you deleted the directory you're in from another terminal.
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• 948[15:38:17] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, but I haven'
• 949[15:38:21] <petn-randall> StringLiteral: Try running 'ls' and it'll show you the same error.
• 950[15:38:22] <StringLiteral> haven't
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• 952[15:39:04] <petn-randall> StringLiteral: Can you share the output of 'pwd && pip3 install rope' on replaced-url
• 953[15:39:14] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, "ls: cannot access 'pip3': No such file or directory"
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• 955[15:39:56] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, installed"
• 956[15:39:57] <StringLiteral> !
• 957[15:40:12] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, I mean rope installed
• 958[15:40:34] <petn-randall> StringLiteral: That output doesn't match the commands I gave you. Also, use the paste site please.
• 959[15:41:12] * greycat bets that the request will be refused
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• 961[15:41:58] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, sure, replaced-url
• 962[15:42:15] <greycat> Your user name is "user"?
• 963[15:42:20] <StringLiteral> greycat, yes
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• 965[15:43:02] <petn-randall> StringLiteral: So everything went fine. What error do you still get?
• 966[15:43:24] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, yes, all seems fine now. I didn't get any more errors.
• 967[15:43:41] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, is pip3 fixed, too, now?
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• 969[15:44:52] <petn-randall> StringLiteral: Seems though. Though I don't know what you typed that caused your problem.
• 970[15:45:22] <greycat> Assuming your initial theory was correct, he probably did a "cd" and then a "cd python" before re-running the commands you asked for.
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• 972[15:46:21] <greycat> or a single cd ~/python
• 973[15:46:57] <greycat> or closed the old terminal and opened a new one and did "cd python" in that, etc., etc.
• 974[15:48:44] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, yes, it works! thank you very much!
• 975[15:50:52] <p0lyph3m> since i am using zsh , when i apt install <somecmd> , and installing is done , then <somecmd> isn't available with tab completion ; i think i remember using bash it worked right away , without relaunching terminal/zsh ... can someone confirm ?
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• 978[15:52:13] <p0lyph3m> ... its kinda anoying ....
• 979[15:52:21] <petn-randall> p0lyph3m: IIRC it won't work right away, since it's done by adding files to /etc/bash_completion.d/, and those are only read on initialization.
• 980[15:52:40] <greycat> zsh uses /etc/bash_completion.d/ ?
• 981[15:53:24] <greycat> that doesn't sound correct
• 982[15:53:50] <petn-randall> nobody said that.
• 983[15:54:04] <p0lyph3m> ok ... i had a echo in the back of my head that made me think it worked at that time , however i might be wrong , and what you are saying makes perfect sense ... =)
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• 989[15:57:20] <p0lyph3m> what would be really nice , is when apt upon completion sends some SIGZZSHRELOAD to all zsh processes to force reload of availible completions
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• 991[15:58:21] <petn-randall> p0lyph3m: Patches welcome :)
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• 994[16:03:19] <p0lyph3m> actually , i am looking for *that* SIGNAL that makes zsh reread its completion db
• 995[16:03:30] <greycat> ask #zsh
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• 1022[16:48:17] <andre144k> i have follow command: export LIST="a b c"; for ELEMENT in $LIST; do echo "$ELEMENT _xx"; done
• 1023[16:48:24] <greycat> Oh god.
• 1024[16:48:42] <andre144k> how to change that i get "a_xx" without blank ?
• 1025[16:48:53] <greycat> ${element}_xx
• 1026[16:49:00] <andre144k> greycat, mercy :)
• 1027[16:49:03] <greycat> but please don't store lists in string variables
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• 1029[16:49:08] <greycat> and don't export things for no reason
• 1030[16:49:18] <andre144k> oki
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• 1032[16:49:55] <p0lyph3m> ok , have the solution .... put " zstyle ':comletion::complete:*' rehash true " in your .zshrc and after apt install <somecmd> , *bang* <somecmd> in tab completion =)
• 1033[16:49:56] <andre144k> its only a stupid sample.. for my problem
• 1034[16:50:10] <greycat> /msg greybot b9
• 1035[16:50:29] <greycat> /msg greybot lists
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• 1168[19:04:28] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, rope has this vuln as I've just been pointed to; replaced-url
• 1169[19:05:14] <StringLiteral> we've just talked about installing it a few hours back
• 1170[19:05:21] <petn-randall> StringLiteral: Nope, see replaced-url
• 1171[19:05:24] <greycat> Is there a CVE number for it? If so, you can check the debian se... that.
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• 1173[19:06:40] <ctcx> Have kind of a global doubt, hope it's ok here...
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• 1175[19:06:49] <ctcx> I always had the idea that x64 CPU architecture was necessarily faster due to being able to handle longer word instructions at a time than x86.
• 1176[19:06:54] <ctcx> But there are some other distro/app devs who think otherwise; instead pointing out x64 *only* helps to use more than 4 Gb RAM.
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• 1179[19:07:00] <ctcx> Thus making their software still x86, yet with workarounds to be able to use more RAM.
• 1180[19:07:37] <greycat> ctcx: it's kind of esoteric for this channel. It will depend on the applications.
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• 1183[19:08:05] <StringLiteral> ah, great, thank you, petn-randall
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• 1185[19:08:37] <ctcx> ...thanks
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• 1187[19:09:29] <tradar> AMD64 (x64) has two times the amount of registers of x86
• 1188[19:10:00] <ctcx> ^ yes, of course
• 1189[19:10:15] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, I was asked if the patch or diff is available anywhere
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• 1191[19:10:25] <tradar> as for ALU and SSE/SSE2 ... so you need less push/pops, less memory accesses.
• 1192[19:10:33] <greycat> !tell StringLiteral about source
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• 1194[19:13:00] <petn-randall> StringLiteral: I'm sure it's linked somewhere on the page I gave you. Either directly or in the attached bug report. If not, you can download the source and look in debian/patches/
• 1195[19:13:41] <StringLiteral> petn-randall, interesting, I've given the link to the asker, too..I'll inquire into it, thank you
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• 1209[19:24:26] <StringLiteral> ah, energizer, I've been sifting through the files :)
• 1210[19:24:30] <StringLiteral> thanks
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• 1213[19:25:53] <energizer> this bugfix doesn't seem to be posted anywhere in the upstream github repo. is that normal?
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• 1216[19:27:35] <greycat> The debian patch is only a partial mitigation, it says on the security tracker page.
• 1217[19:27:53] <greycat> Maybe upstream wants something more thorough.
• 1218[19:28:41] <energizer> as far as i can see it wasn't even mentioned replaced-url
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• 1220[19:31:00] <petn-randall> energizer: AFAICS upstream is not motivated to fix this issue if it's already been open for over 4 years now. It's better to use a different python library if possible.
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• 1223[19:32:28] <energizer> petn-randall: that's where i've landed too. bit of a shame, oh well.
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• 1232[19:46:05] <dkkdn> inside a rules file, is tgere a way to get the build directory?
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• 1245[19:58:45] <Epakai> replaced-url
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• 1253[20:04:12] <Epakai> dkkdn: if you're using the debhelper auto tools you can specify the build dir, see man debhelper under "BUILD SYSTEM OPTIONS"
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• 1306[20:57:10] <rusty_> does debootsrap make a home directory for the current user upon install ?
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• 1311[21:01:43] <bites> rusty_: nope
• 1312[21:02:26] <rusty_> bites: ok so I where to use schroot I still have to mount my home direcoty?
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• 1316[21:03:13] <bites> if you have it on a separate partition, sure. and you need to create the user.
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• 1324[21:11:35] <rusty_> bites: no its the same partition, so I guess I just have to create the user
• 1325[21:12:56] <KOLANICH> hi everyone. How to set an env variable globally in a deb
• 1326[21:12:58] <KOLANICH> globally and permanently
• 1327[21:13:16] <greycat> "in a deb" ??
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• 1330[21:15:49] <KOLANICH> I guess it may guided by some sort of metadata, I've searched, and haven't found how to set it in scala sbt config
• 1331[21:16:17] <bites> rusty_: oh, you are using schroot, then you don't need to.
• 1332[21:16:52] <bites> rusty_: schroot will mount /home for you.
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• 1338[21:20:47] <greycat> KOLANICH: explain what you mean. Which processes should see this env var? What do you mean by "in a deb"?
• 1339[21:20:59] <ashleyk> how do i list all the packages i installed manually, without showing all the auto installeds tuff
• 1340[21:22:06] <ashleyk> not possible?
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• 1342[21:22:44] <catbeard> apt list --installed
• 1343[21:23:10] <catbeard> err well, you can parse /var/log/dpkg.log maybe
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• 1346[21:23:38] <ashleyk> ugh yeah im pretty sure i would never apt-get install systemd
• 1347[21:23:38] <greycat> you probably want aptitude with some crazy expression involving ~
• 1348[21:23:41] <ashleyk> yet its there in the list
• 1349[21:23:58] <ashleyk> i couldnt have been drunk enough to apt-get install systemd
• 1350[21:24:34] <ashleyk> id rm -rf /* before id do that so i think the command isnt working
• 1351[21:24:53] <KOLANICH> greycat: I wanna make a deb package. In fact it is already made and not mine. I wanna add am environment variable. I mean I wanna an env var to be -ermanently defined when a -ackade is set, for example into /etc/environment, and undefined when a package is removed.
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• 1353[21:25:17] <greycat> You think /etc/environment is "permanent and global", eh?
• 1354[21:25:23] <bites> apt-mark showmanual sounds about right.
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• 1356[21:25:45] <ashleyk> all show the same thing
• 1357[21:25:46] <greycat> Well, if placing a string in /etc/environment satisfies your requirements, then you can put commands in the postinstall and preremove scripts to manage that.
• 1358[21:25:51] <ashleyk> and dpkg.log is empty
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• 1361[21:26:47] <KOLANICH> greycat: 1 isn't it? 2 Thank you for the info.
• 1362[21:27:00] <ashleyk> bites, does it look like it works to you?
• 1363[21:27:06] <greycat> /etc/environment is only read by pam_env.so which means it only applies to login sessions that go through PAM
• 1364[21:27:10] <ashleyk> because mine shows systemd and i never installed that manually
• 1365[21:27:12] <bites> ashleyk: yes
• 1366[21:27:18] <greycat> If that's enough for your needs, then great.
• 1367[21:27:38] <KOLANICH> greycat: what may I need instead?
• 1368[21:27:47] <greycat> It's your problem. You tell US what you need.
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• 1372[21:29:27] <KOLANICH> greycat: how can I make the variable available immediately after installation?
• 1373[21:29:38] <greycat> Available TO WHAT?
• 1374[21:30:04] <ashleyk> brand new system has tons of stuff in apt-mark showmanual
• 1375[21:30:17] <greycat> To an already-logged-in shell? You can't. It's literally not possible.
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• 1378[21:30:54] <ashleyk> this is saying i installed libc-bin manually on a system i just logged into for the first time
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• 1380[21:31:05] <ashleyk> doesnt sound right
• 1381[21:31:24] <KOLANICH> greycat: for example we have a Continious Integration script. it installs a package setting a varible. Then in the same or not the same (depending on if sudo was used) shell we need that variable be set. How can I achieve that?
• 1382[21:31:40] <greycat> Who runs this CI script? How is it executed?
• 1383[21:32:07] * greycat reads the rest of the paragraph
• 1384[21:32:09] <KOLANICH> greycat: gitlab and travis do
• 1385[21:32:13] <g0zzy> I get this awful hang (e.g. with ls /foo)when the network is bad if i have a fuse map. Any way to stop that?
• 1386[21:32:27] <g0zzy> s/map/mount
• 1387[21:32:29] <greycat> ... doesn't matter. It is not possible. An already-existing shell has already received its environment. That environment cannot be altered by an outside process. Period. END OF STORY.
• 1388[21:32:48] <greycat> You get new environment variables when you are BORN. That's all.
• 1389[21:33:13] <greycat> Figure out another way to solve your X-Y problem.
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• 1392[21:36:36] <ashleyk> im doing service mariadb start but nothing happens
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• 1394[21:37:02] <greycat> (The reason I had asked about how it gets executed was because you had been poking around pam_env.so stuff before, and I doubt a CI script would use a PAM login. But the second half of the paragraph made it irrelevant.)
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• 1396[21:38:15] <KOLANICH> greycat: the package is intended to be used on both users machines and CI
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• 1399[21:39:48] <bites> and your unit tests need to query if the package is installed?
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• 1401[21:40:19] <bites> write a function that queries dpkg.
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• 1407[21:43:41] <jhutchins_wk> ,v irssi
• 1408[21:43:42] <judd> Package: irssi on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.15-5; wheezy-security: 0.8.15-5+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.8.17-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u5; stretch: 1.0.2-1+deb9u3; jessie-backports: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.0.7-1+b1; sid: 1.0.7-1+b1
• 1409[21:43:55] <greycat> ashleyk: #727799 -- the apt maintainer(s) seem to think that it's the *correct behavior* for apt to randomly mark everything as "manually installed" based on some whim or heuristic that they chose
• 1410[21:43:56] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1411[21:44:08] <greycat> ashleyk: good luck.
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• 1413[21:44:33] <Unit193> That's odd, irssi 1.1.1-1 is in testing and unstable.
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• 1415[21:44:56] <ashleyk> i used to use dpkg --get-selections, apt-cache show auto, and comm to get a list of manually installed
• 1416[21:45:10] <ashleyk> greycat, yeah...what a joke
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• 1418[21:46:01] <ashleyk> mysql_install_db is failing
• 1419[21:46:09] <ashleyk> Installation of system tables failed!
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• 1422[21:47:52] <ashleyk> it says check the log files, but there are no log files with text in them in /var/lib/mysql
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• 1426[21:48:28] <greycat> start with "systemctl status mariadb"
• 1427[21:48:49] <KOLANICH> greycat: tuank you for the knfo
• 1428[21:48:52] <ashleyk> hmm, i had to stop the service
• 1429[21:48:58] <KOLANICH> *info
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• 1431[21:49:11] <KOLANICH> *thank
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• 1434[21:49:52] <annadane> suggestion: drink less
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• 1440[21:51:16] <ashleyk> how come there is no message if you try to start an already running service, or try to stop an already stopped service?
• 1441[21:52:26] <bgardner> Hello, I have a newly installed Stretch box that was working well until I restored from a backup (/home only) - not sure if the restore is related or not, but midway through the mouse stopped working and nothing I do brings it back.
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• 1443[21:52:55] <bgardner> Keyboard works, no errors and I see plug/remove events in the log if I yank the USB dongle
• 1444[21:53:20] <bgardner> Just no cursor on either sddm or startx (and it isn't invisible, no clicks either)
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• 1446[21:55:19] <bgardner> *deep and abiding shame* Although... if you replace the battery it kinda fixes it... Arrgghh!
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• 1448[21:55:26] <bgardner> Sorry, I'll leave now.
• 1449[21:55:39] <greycat> heh
• 1450[21:55:42] <ashleyk> bgardner, no stay
• 1451[21:55:58] <thieraufc> Happy to silently rubber duck! I was waiting for someone more knowledgeable to hop in and save the day
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• 1454[21:56:57] <bgardner> Boy that's embarrassing.
• 1455[21:57:46] <ashleyk> layer 1 problems
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• 1465[22:06:09] <tpw_rules> i'm trying to install openjdk-8-jre-headless on jessie but it fails with the error: Unmet dependencies: openjdk-8-jre-headless : Depends: ca-certificates-java but it is not going to be installed. E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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• 1467[22:07:11] <greycat> ,v openjdk-8-jre-headless
• 1468[22:07:12] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre-headless on amd64 -- stretch: 8u151-b12-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports: 8u171-b11-1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u171-b11-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u171-b11-1~deb9u1; buster: 8u171-b11-2; sid: 8u171-b11-2
• 1469[22:07:35] <greycat> you're using "apt-get install -t jessie-backports openjdk-8-jre-headless"?
• 1470[22:07:49] <tpw_rules> no i was just doing apt-get install openjdk-8-jre-headless
• 1471[22:07:51] <tpw_rules> lemme try yours
• 1472[22:08:05] <annadane> !bat
• 1473[22:08:05] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1474[22:08:06] <greycat> it's not *in* jessie according to judd, so you have to enable the -backports repository and then use -t
• 1475[22:08:29] <tpw_rules> oh okay. i wonder how regular apt-get found it then. that did work, thank you
• 1476[22:08:45] <ashleyk> how do i remove systemd
• 1477[22:08:56] <ashleyk> debian 9
• 1478[22:08:57] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
• 1479[22:08:57] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
• 1480[22:09:19] <annadane> unless you have a good reason don't bother
• 1481[22:09:30] <annadane> "systemd sucks, other people said so" isn't enough
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• 1483[22:09:50] <ashleyk> greycat, thanks
• 1484[22:10:08] <annadane> it's your system though, do what you want
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• 1489[22:11:17] <ashleyk> i know ill get put in the gulag for rejecting systemd, its okay
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• 1491[22:11:48] <greycat> we only get upset if you spam us with anti-systemd rhetoric
• 1492[22:11:49] <bites> nah, the gulags are full.
• 1493[22:12:11] <ashleyk> greycat, we get upset with pro systemd propaganda :P
• 1494[22:12:30] <ashleyk> i speak for more wes than you do!
• 1495[22:12:43] <greycat> ... you're upsetting me now.
• 1496[22:13:02] <ashleyk> we have thick skin
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• 1498[22:13:33] <annadane> when you upgrade to buster you'll just need to pay attention
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• 1500[22:14:16] <ashleyk> annadane, noted, we will be careful
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• 1503[22:15:54] <ashleyk> we will probably move to slackware anyway
• 1504[22:16:30] <fpat> whats the author of this comedy?
• 1505[22:16:35] <ashleyk> i like the way debian does its apache configs though
• 1506[22:16:50] <ashleyk> havent taken the time to re-implement manually
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• 1508[22:17:44] <annadane> i want to like slackware. just haven't learned enough about it to feel comfortable using -current
• 1509[22:18:00] <annadane> and in contrast to debian stable slackware -release/stable really is just too old
• 1510[22:18:23] <ashleyk> only security patches get released for the most part
• 1511[22:18:27] <ashleyk> which isnt a bad thing
• 1512[22:18:36] <ashleyk> i use -current anyway
• 1513[22:19:06] <ashleyk> annadane, replaced-url
• 1514[22:19:09] <ashleyk> cheers
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• 1516[22:19:11] <fpat> interesting how the conversation works when you put each in the opposite category: something is older than debian
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• 1519[22:20:35] <annadane> they're also aren't really centralized repositories
• 1520[22:20:42] <annadane> i just say this because i'm not as familiar
• 1521[22:20:56] <annadane> s/they're/there
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• 1528[22:28:31] <g0zzy> I get this awful hang (e.g. with ls /foo)when the network is bad if i have a fuse map. Any way to stop that?
• 1529[22:29:15] <g0zzy> I get this awful hang (e.g. with ls /foo)when the network is bad if i have a fuse mount. Any way to stop that?
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• 1534[22:36:05] <alyssa---> Maybe a silly question, but how do I GPG sign a .changes file for dput?
• 1535[22:36:59] <alyssa---> debsign looks promising
• 1536[22:37:29] <Unit193> It is.
• 1537[22:38:31] <alyssa---> Got it! Thanks for the... moral support? =p
• 1538[22:40:06] <abrotman> alyssa---: you might be interested in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
• 1539[22:40:15] <abrotman> (assuming this is related to Debian packaging)
• 1540[22:40:51] <alyssa---> abrotman: it is, thank you! :)
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• 1544[22:42:44] <jhutchins_wk> g0zzy: How are you mounting the fuse mount?
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• 1550[22:47:06] <g0zzy> I'll check how it is now
• 1551[22:47:32] <g0zzy> hpbrio.home:/ on /tmp/h type fuse.sshfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000,allow_other)
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• 1553[22:49:15] <g0zzy> Looks like i might have to use -o reconnect?
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• 1589[23:15:06] <g0zzy> jhutchins: thanks for the prompt
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• 1598[23:28:08] <jhutchins> g0zzy: I'm more familiar with NFS and CIFS options, that might help.
• 1599[23:28:23] <jhutchins> If it's one of those systems, using that directly might work better.
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• 1601[23:30:44] <annadane> what's a fairly up to date linux filesystem hierarchy reference, tldp?
• 1602[23:30:55] <annadane> checked the debian reference, not there
• 1603[23:31:18] <annadane> or sorry, hierarchy system
• 1604[23:31:38] <fpat> fhs - filesystem hierarchy standard?
• 1605[23:31:58] <annadane> yeah that
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• 1610[23:33:45] <fpat> replaced-url
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• 1613[23:34:21] <annadane> thanks
• 1614[23:34:26] <fpat> welcome
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• 1623[23:46:54] <annadane> so uh... if i wanted say emacs 26, should i put it in /usr/local or .local/share/applications...
• 1624[23:47:28] <annadane> i guess /usr/local
• 1625[23:47:54] <bites> one is system-wide the other is for one user. pick what you need.
• 1626[23:48:22] <bites> you know man hier ?
• 1627[23:48:37] <annadane> oh there it is
• 1628[23:48:49] <annadane> i knew of it and promptly forgot its existence
• 1629[23:49:08] <bites> that tends to happen. ^^
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