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• 42[00:20:03] <zerohimself> hey guys, i've got a fsck question: ran this: "fsck.ext4 -cDfty -C 0 /dev/sdb1" on an umounted 3TB hdd
• 43[00:20:20] <zerohimself> going on an hour with no output besides the e2fsck version
• 44[00:20:47] <zerohimself> got some weird usb hub info in my dmesg
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• 46[00:21:02] <zerohimself> is there any way to verify if fsck is actually working?
• 47[00:21:44] <petn-randall> zerohimself: You can probably check with iotop
• 48[00:21:46] <zerohimself> dmesg output: replaced-url
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• 50[00:22:11] <zerohimself> trying now, ty
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• 55[00:23:23] <zerohimself> yep, it's doing something at 3.55 K/s... hmm thats weird
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• 57[00:24:02] <petn-randall> zerohimself: And it's connected via USB?
• 58[00:24:16] <zerohimself> yeah, usb3
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• 60[00:25:06] <zerohimself> i started getting massive io errors on it 2 nights ago.. then next no problems.. then started getting IO's again..
• 61[00:25:26] <zerohimself> i'm thinking either the drive is dead, or the usb->sata bridge is dead
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• 63[00:26:21] <petn-randall> zerohimself: I've noticed many buggy usb-sata bridges in my life, I'm putting my money on that.
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• 65[00:27:10] <zerohimself> i'm suspecting it too.. would just suck to loose a 3TB drive..
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• 70[00:29:53] <zerohimself> hmm.. both devices are getting reset according to the log.. but the other drive is scanning as it should be
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• 82[00:36:17] <taylan> all I had to do was 'systemctl set-default multi-user.target' to disable graphical login. to enable it, 'systemctl set-defualt graphical.target'
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• 90[00:40:15] <petn-randall> zerohimself: The HDD inside would still be ok, I assume.
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• 126[01:01:56] <elisax2e2> hey, im getting random CPU hangs, where 1 kernel thread / cpu core is hung, and it locks up the whole system and needs a hard reset . I believe its related to this bug replaced-url
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• 132[01:06:01] <Brigo> elisax2e2, try different linux versions, or unix or windows or whatever.
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• 134[01:06:48] <Brigo> elisax2e2, i mean, it's not a matter or distribution but linux kernel version, if they are almost the same, they could have the same bug.
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• 137[01:07:32] <elisax2e2> Brigo, i tried windows and it didnt have this issue. i think its a linux kernel issue
• 138[01:07:44] <tomcres> also, if it's a processor bug, it might be alleviated by installing either amd64-microcode or intel-microcode depending on the processor brand
• 139[01:08:13] <elisax2e2> i didnt know those packages existed, ill try them
• 140[01:08:27] <zykotick9> elisax2e2: fyi, they are in non-free
• 141[01:08:40] <tomcres> they're in non-free, so you'll have to add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list if you haven't already
• 142[01:08:46] <elisax2e2> gotcha, thanks
• 143[01:08:54] <elisax2e2> this has been a real headache
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• 145[01:09:30] <tomcres> I understand. I had the same problem in Windows, oddly enough. Big reason why I'm on Debian now. :-D
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• 148[01:10:09] <grateful> is there a group way to install the most common -dev files
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• 150[01:10:24] <tomcres> grateful other than build-essential?
• 151[01:10:49] <grateful> yeah
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• 153[01:11:27] <Vizva> <elisax2e2> using nouveau?
• 154[01:11:34] <grateful> like for a specific language, like all python dev/libs
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• 156[01:11:53] <elisax2e2> Vizva, yeah
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• 160[01:12:14] <Vizva> blacklist it and change to propr nvidia
• 161[01:12:21] <elisax2e2> Vizva, i thought it could be a graphics issue. this laptop has a dedicated nvidia card
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• 163[01:12:32] <Vizva> i faced it and use bumblebee
• 164[01:12:44] <Vizva> too
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• 169[01:13:54] <Vizva> ok i have optimus
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• 171[01:14:16] <Vizva> two cards inside
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• 173[01:14:33] <Vizva> another is geforce gtx 760m
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• 175[01:15:02] <Vizva> kernerl hung i faced and change no problem
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• 177[01:15:14] <elisax2e2> i have an intel integrated graphics and nvidia geforce gtx 770M
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• 182[01:15:51] <Vizva> yes and use bumblebee too
• 183[01:16:14] <Vizva> mine hung now because i rsync now :P
• 184[01:16:43] <Vizva> the same word two times in a sentence bah
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• 188[01:18:27] <Vizva> replaced-url
• 189[01:19:15] <Vizva> and replaced-url
• 190[01:19:37] <Vizva> i am away now
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• 212[01:26:51] <RickHull> is there a way to update this page? replaced-url
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• 214[01:27:05] <RickHull> the instructions are no longer valid, at least for my recent experience
• 215[01:27:29] <RickHull> it was much simpler to just edit the grml freedos image
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• 217[01:27:44] <RickHull> editing the downloaded image did not boot properly for me, unable to find command.com
• 218[01:28:35] <RickHull> specifically, skip all of this: replaced-url
• 219[01:29:00] <RickHull> instead, edit the balder10.img included with grml
• 220[01:29:34] <RickHull> I added my bios update .exe to the balder10.img and it worked as expected
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• 224[01:30:41] <tomcres> You have to login/create an account in order to edit the wiki.
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• 226[01:31:00] <RickHull> ah, let me try that :)
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• 231[01:32:47] <somiaj> last tiem I tried to create an account, the automatic feature was turned off due to spam attacks. You'll have to send an email to someone I think..
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• 233[01:33:44] <tomcres> somiaj: yes, it will give you that info when you try to register
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• 240[01:38:12] <missmbob> i have a wiki account but i sure as well dont want to edit a page last altered by patrick byrne :P
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• 242[01:38:20] <missmbob> hell*
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• 247[01:39:57] <dwarfmut> somebody here have a T60 notebook?
• 248[01:40:21] <zykotick9> dwarfmut: i don't anymore, but i've owned 4 of them...
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• 250[01:40:48] <somiaj> dwarfmut: it is best to ask your actual question, you get better support that way
• 251[01:41:21] * zykotick9 notes NONE of them had a support LCD for libreboot at the time... <- i'd guess it'd work now?!?!
• 252[01:41:27] <zykotick9> somiaj: +1
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• 254[01:42:16] <jak2000> hi all
• 255[01:42:31] <jak2000> how to know wich linux distro have installed?
• 256[01:42:41] <zykotick9> jak2000: try "lsb_release -a"
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• 258[01:43:14] <jak2000> csh: lsb_release: command not found
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• 260[01:43:29] <jak2000> cat issue
• 261[01:43:30] <jak2000> Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l
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• 264[01:44:06] <zykotick9> oldstable
• 265[01:44:09] <jak2000> # apt update and # apt-get update csh: apt-get: command not found
• 266[01:44:10] <jak2000> yes
• 267[01:44:18] <jak2000> how to update the room?
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• 275[01:46:35] <crash_> apt-get update room :)
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• 278[01:47:06] <jak2000> csh: apt-get: command not found
• 279[01:47:12] <jak2000> how to update? arghhh
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• 281[01:47:48] <tomcres> jak2000: type: printenv $PATH
• 282[01:47:50] <zykotick9> jak2000: do you mean to be using csh? and i don't think we understand what you are asking regarding update...
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• 285[01:48:19] <tomcres> sorry, that's printenv PATH (no $)
• 286[01:48:33] <jak2000> csh: printenv: command not found
• 287[01:48:34] <tomcres> it's been a while since I've used csh
• 288[01:48:41] <jak2000> i want update my linux, update and upgrade
• 289[01:48:50] <tomcres> jak2000: try echo $PATH
• 290[01:49:01] <jak2000> done: /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/lib/git-core
• 291[01:49:03] <jak2000> i am root
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• 294[01:49:55] <tomcres> jak2000: yeah, I'm just trying to figure out why it can't find apt-get. Can you try this: whereis apt-get
• 295[01:50:13] <jak2000> csh: whereis: command not found
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• 298[01:51:37] <zykotick9> jak2000: you started with the question "how to know wich linux distro have installed?" <- what sort of machine/VM/VPS is this?
• 299[01:51:42] <tomcres> jak2000: is /usr on a remote server? perhaps it's not mounted?
• 300[01:51:51] <jak2000> is a vps
• 301[01:52:08] <jak2000> i am on: replaced-url
• 302[01:52:25] <somiaj> are you sure this is a debian vps?
• 303[01:53:01] <somiaj> you could try to see if you get output from 'which dpkg' or 'which rpm'
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• 305[01:53:08] <tomcres> somiaj: /etc/issue said it was Debian 7
• 306[01:53:30] <somiaj> ahh, the $PATH seemed weird (like it is backwards what it would have been set in debian)
• 307[01:53:43] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 308[01:54:22] <jak2000> read please
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• 310[01:55:00] <zykotick9> .. and I'll look down and whisper "No."
• 311[01:55:00] <somiaj> jak2000: what is the output of ls /usr/bin/dpkg
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• 314[01:55:41] <jak2000> not exist the directory
• 315[01:55:57] <somiaj> jak2000: ls /usr/bin (the /usr/bin directory does not exist?
• 316[01:56:14] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 317[01:56:15] <somiaj> jak2000: check /etc/fstab, is /usr on a seperate partition, sounds like it isn't mounted.
• 318[01:56:55] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 319[01:57:00] <jak2000> ncant see
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• 322[01:58:36] <somiaj> jak2000: so far those pasts don't exactly ahve the output I've asked for, but I don't see any binaries that should be installed. System might either be hosed or something else.
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• 324[01:58:46] <somiaj> jak2000: I notice you have vim there, can you give the output of 'vim --version'
• 325[01:58:49] <tomcres> no /etc/fstab…definitely weird
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• 329[02:00:08] <jak2000> VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 (2010 Aug 15, compiled Nov 22 2016 08:25:58)
• 330[02:00:10] <jak2000> fist line
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• 333[02:00:46] <somiaj> jak2000: I want the whole output
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• 338[02:01:45] <jak2000> replaced-url
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• 343[02:02:36] <somiaj> yea that looks like a debian version of vim, but since you are missing dpkg a required package your system might be in some strange state.
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• 346[02:03:13] <Brigo> jak2000, is there a /var/lib/dpkg/ directory?
• 347[02:03:33] <missmbob> looks like lish or similar (since he said vps)
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• 353[02:04:39] <jak2000> csh: cd: /var/lib/dpkg/: No such file or directory
• 354[02:05:15] <awal1> How to get the whole info about a given file (audio, video, text...) via cli just as with right clic + properties via x file manager? I mean a single command or a given utility instead of using separately ls, chmod, chown, ffmpeg, mplayer...
• 355[02:05:30] <Brigo> jak2000, it don't like a debian system, at all.
• 356[02:06:06] <Brigo> awal1, file file?
• 357[02:06:13] <tomcres> awal1: file?
• 358[02:06:19] <Brigo> file is a command :)
• 359[02:06:25] <somiaj> awal1: what info do you want, it could be the info you want is not done via a single command. If you want anme/permissions, ls -l, if you want more info about mim-info and the likes use file as suggested.
• 360[02:06:35] <tomcres> awal1: there's also mediainfo, which is great for multimedia files
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• 363[02:08:16] <awal1> file just gives a bit of info, Brigo, tomcres
• 364[02:08:43] <jak2000> then cant update/upgrade?
• 365[02:08:45] <awal1> somiaj: in fact i want to get al the info as X file manager does, just with a single command
• 366[02:09:20] <Brigo> jak2000, you can't without dpkg and apt/aptitude installed
• 367[02:09:21] <somiaj> awal1: what makes you thikn the x file manager is usuing a single command, as opposed to a combination of commands and compling all the output on a single viewable window.
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• 369[02:09:23] <tomcres> jak2000: I'm afraid not. You're lacking the package management tools. And without them, there's no way to upgrade in place.
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• 374[02:10:12] <awal1> somiaj: that's obvious, the file manager combines commands. my question was badly asked; so looking for a combination of commands, a script or something :P
• 375[02:10:15] <missmbob> jak2000: why? you know nothing about this, not even what OS it is. so why upgrade it? to what end? what is it doing right now? what will it do once upgraded?
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• 377[02:10:32] <missmbob> jak2000: are you just bored?
• 378[02:10:40] <somiaj> awal1: Determine what info you want and write yourself a small script to string the commands together.
• 379[02:10:59] <Brigo> jak2000, you could download and install them. I am wondering whyo someone would give you a systemd like that.
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• 382[02:12:32] <awal1> somiaj, hm, I'm not good on bash :P
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• 384[02:12:50] <somiaj> awal1: no time like the present to learn
• 385[02:13:01] <Brigo> awal1, you are smart, you'll learn :)
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• 387[02:13:50] <awal1> trying all that the time :P
• 388[02:14:04] <awal1> trying that all the time
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• 409[02:24:16] <ghostinzshell> My machine cannot retrieve Release files from any server for some reason.
• 410[02:24:28] <ghostinzshell> Is there anything I should try?
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• 412[02:24:33] <space-guest> hi
• 413[02:24:42] <space-guest> can i install debian-kbsd in freebsd 12 ?
• 414[02:24:54] <ghostinzshell> I've tested another machine running unstable as well and it retrieves the Release files just fine.
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• 426[02:29:20] <jak2000> Brigo, install apt-get?
• 427[02:29:24] <jak2000> i have acces via sftp
• 428[02:29:31] <jak2000> i can transfer files...
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• 435[02:32:07] <missmbob> ghostinzshell: can you ping the mirrors or is that install having a dns issue?
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• 437[02:32:50] <ghostinzshell> missmbob: It can retrieve everything else when updating from the repo except for the Release file.
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• 440[02:33:27] <ghostinzshell> missmbob: I've tried switching between ftp.cn.debian.org; ftp.sg.debian.org; ftp.us.debian.org; deb.debian.org
• 441[02:33:29] <ghostinzshell> Same result.
• 442[02:34:30] <ghostinzshell> Here's the output of apt currently: replaced-url
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• 445[02:35:48] <ghostinzshell> This is the output after removing all files in /var/lib/apt/lists and performing `apt update` again: replaced-url
• 446[02:35:49] <missmbob> ghostinzshell: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |nc termbin.com 9999
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• 450[02:37:38] <ghostinzshell> missmbob: replaced-url
• 451[02:38:02] <missmbob> ghostinzshell: your deb-src line is wrong. you need a /debian/
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• 453[02:38:52] <ghostinzshell> missmbob: Oh damn. I totally did not spot that.
• 454[02:39:02] <ghostinzshell> missmbob: Thanks a bunch!
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• 456[02:39:08] <missmbob> ghostinzshell: you're welcome
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• 492[02:51:34] <elisax2e2> ughh, ok well installing intel-microcodes didnt work, nor did blacklisting nouveau and using nvidia prop drivers
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• 506[02:58:53] <tomcres> elisax2e2: the only other thing I can think of is perhaps it's a kernel bug. I'd probably next try upgrading to the latest kernel from jessie-backports. Unless someone has a better idea?
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• 516[03:01:53] <elisax2e2> tomcrez, yeah. thats my last option. im thinking about just selling this pita laptop
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• 519[03:02:51] <missmbob> elisax2e2: you're using 3.16 jessie kernel on skylake?
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• 521[03:04:10] <heston> hmm, where is there only cd images that include firmware for jessie and stretch? What about wheezy?
• 522[03:04:18] <heston> s/where/why
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• 525[03:05:16] <missmbob> heston: replaced-url
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• 530[03:06:19] <heston> missmbob, ah thanks, I didnt notice the archive directory
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• 538[03:09:59] <heston> missmbob, any idea why there's a 7.11.0 and a 7.11.0+nonfree directory? Both contain the same isos with the same hash
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• 544[03:13:15] <missmbob> heston: i dont know why it's the way it is, no.
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• 548[03:15:10] <Vantouras> hello my fellow friend
• 549[03:15:35] <Vantouras> i am looking for the wireless driver qualcomm atheros for linux
• 550[03:15:38] <Vantouras> please
• 551[03:15:45] <Vantouras> can somebody help me
• 552[03:16:12] <missmbob> !atheros
• 553[03:16:12] <dpkg> Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath9k>, <ath5k>. For USB wireless LAN device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1c>, <alx>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. replaced-url
• 554[03:16:52] <missmbob> Vantouras: do you know which chipset? is the base system installed?
• 555[03:16:57] <Weeezy> probably need non-free added to sources list?
• 556[03:17:01] <Vantouras> PCI/PCIe
• 557[03:17:10] <Vantouras> wireless Lan devices
• 558[03:17:17] <heston> Vantouras, your easiest best is to just add non-free to your sources and apt-get update
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• 560[03:17:23] <heston> bet*
• 561[03:17:51] <Vantouras> whenever i do lspci | grep -i network
• 562[03:17:55] <Vantouras> its shows nothing
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• 565[03:18:15] <Vantouras> hold on , how can i add non-free
• 566[03:18:36] <missmbob> Vantouras: lspci -nn |grep -i network
• 567[03:18:46] <missmbob> Vantouras: pastebin that entire output
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• 570[03:19:37] <Vantouras> ok i did it ,and nothing shows up
• 571[03:19:47] <Vantouras> it is not ok i think
• 572[03:20:28] <missmbob> take out the |grep to see what it's telling you
• 573[03:20:37] <heston> Vantouras, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free to the end of each deb line
• 574[03:20:46] <Vantouras> whenever i do airmon-ng , i have a simulator 802.11 software
• 575[03:20:58] <missmbob> Vantouras: you're not using debian, are you?
• 576[03:21:09] <Vantouras> i am using debian
• 577[03:21:11] <heston> though arent most atheros drivers free?
• 578[03:21:12] <Vantouras> my friend
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• 580[03:21:56] <awal1> Vantouras, what says lsb_release -a ?
• 581[03:22:25] <bazhang> Vantouras, is Kali Debian?
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• 583[03:22:36] <habs> Hi, I'm trying to enable 3D acceleration on my Thinkpad X200, but when I run glxinfo -i I get this "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)". What can I do to debug / fix this?
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• 588[03:26:17] <zykotick9> habs: same system, same error. note "glxinfo" output seems fine. i think 3d is working ok on this system.
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• 591[03:26:40] <heston> looks like an even split for non-free atheros firmware
• 592[03:27:06] <Vantouras> yes
• 593[03:27:19] <Vantouras> lspci is not showing my atheros
• 594[03:27:26] <heston> so like I said, just enable non-free and it will likely find it
• 595[03:27:26] <Vantouras> wireless card
• 596[03:27:28] <missmbob> Vantouras: yes to what? yes to you're using kali?
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• 598[03:27:36] <Vantouras> no it didnt
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• 600[03:27:50] <Vantouras> i added non free to all deb links
• 601[03:27:57] <missmbob> getting any information out of you is impossible. i quit
• 602[03:28:08] <awal1> :D
• 603[03:28:15] <Vantouras> missmbob ?
• 604[03:28:34] <Vantouras> i dont get it ? how can you be so certain i am using kali
• 605[03:28:59] <missmbob> we know your kind
• 606[03:29:10] <Vantouras> hahaha
• 607[03:29:15] <awal1> dpkg: kali
• 608[03:29:16] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 610[03:29:31] <Vantouras> there you go
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• 612[03:29:40] <Vantouras> thats what i am avoiding
• 613[03:29:42] <missmbob> no. there *you* go
• 614[03:29:54] <Vantouras> thank you missmbob
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• 616[03:30:18] <awal1> Vantouras, but you may get support from someone in private; just be "honest"
• 617[03:30:22] <Vantouras> kali linux is base on debian
• 618[03:30:34] <missmbob> !based on debian
• 619[03:30:35] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 621[03:30:51] <Vantouras> what the heck , i can switch right now to debian
• 622[03:31:00] <Vantouras> and it will be the same issue
• 623[03:31:17] <Vantouras> i know because i have tryed it
• 624[03:31:28] <bazhang> #kali-linux Vantouras
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• 626[03:31:29] <missmbob> Vantouras: "lying" is an issue because, for instance, debian recently split up which packages have which firmware. did kali? we dont know
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• 628[03:31:38] <Vantouras> but My IRC is install in my kali linux
• 629[03:31:40] <missmbob> because we're not using kali. we dont know.
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• 632[03:32:01] <heston> Vantouras, did you even run apt-get update
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• 635[03:32:11] <Vantouras> i do all the time
• 636[03:32:29] <Vantouras> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
• 637[03:33:10] <Vantouras> this is so annoying !!! we need One OS for everybody so that we can have common ground
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• 639[03:33:30] <heston> well, like missmbob says. Kali probably doesnt care about non-free driver segregation and it may not even be in that repo
• 640[03:33:44] <Vantouras> ohh ok
• 641[03:33:53] <n1b> Do you need to have GTX installed for software to work properly?
• 642[03:34:00] <n1b> gtk*
• 643[03:34:04] <Vantouras> hold on , is ubuntu debian ?
• 644[03:34:08] <missmbob> jesus no
• 645[03:34:30] <Vantouras> so only debian linux
• 646[03:34:37] <missmbob> only debian is debian
• 647[03:34:56] <missmbob> ubuntu is "based on debian" like kali is. though both are awful in their own ways
• 648[03:35:02] <Vantouras> because when i start kali linux , it tells me debian linux
• 649[03:35:05] <Vantouras> you know
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• 651[03:35:22] <heston> I wonder if that's even legal
• 652[03:35:25] <Vantouras> awful , man you are full of it
• 653[03:35:39] <awal1> n1b, that depends on if the software is gtk toolkit based
• 654[03:35:54] <missmbob> i'm full of it? seriously?
• 655[03:36:10] <Vantouras> dont mind me
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• 657[03:36:21] <Vantouras> i was looking for a solution all day
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• 659[03:36:37] <bazhang> Vantouras, mr robot does not have debian
• 660[03:36:40] <Vantouras> and you guys are racist because i am using kali
• 661[03:36:44] <missmbob> and we're telling you to ask people who use what you're using
• 662[03:36:45] <bazhang> that's Kali
• 663[03:36:50] <Vantouras> debian*
• 664[03:37:17] <n1b> Does all the software made by Gnome use gtk?
• 665[03:37:24] <tomcres> n1b: yes
• 666[03:37:27] <bazhang> Vantouras, kali has their own channel
• 667[03:37:41] <Vantouras> those guys are broke and lazy
• 668[03:37:50] <Vantouras> they dont answer lol
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• 670[03:38:04] <tomcres> !based on debian
• 671[03:38:04] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 674[03:39:53] <awal1> Vantouras, this replaced-url
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• 678[03:41:16] <Vantouras> let me check
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• 682[03:42:23] <Vantouras> lol this is to start hacking my friend
• 683[03:42:31] <Vantouras> i am not a hacker
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• 685[03:42:45] <Vantouras> i am a white hat dude
• 686[03:42:54] <bazhang> Vantouras, you are not even in the kali channel to ask
• 687[03:43:00] <heston> then why are you trolling #debian
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• 694[03:43:59] <Vantouras> because those dude they dont answer
• 695[03:44:00] <Atm0spher1c> Vantouras: not a very good one :P
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• 697[03:44:45] <Vantouras> Atm0spher1c : i can hack the shit out of your laptop if you have a good conection my friend
• 698[03:44:48] <Vantouras> watch
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• 700[03:44:57] <Atm0spher1c> do you know how to use debian/linux? do you know how to search for and install packages? should be easy
• 701[03:45:00] <tomcres> Vantouras: you're not going to get any answers here either
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• 703[03:45:38] <Vantouras> apt-get install <package >
• 704[03:45:39] <Atm0spher1c> I know you're trying to dive right in, but at least learn more of the basics first
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• 707[03:46:04] <Vantouras> dude i know these things , word
• 708[03:46:10] <Vantouras> this something else
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• 711[03:46:38] <Vantouras> there is something very wrong and i cant get my hand on it
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• 717[03:47:19] <Vantouras> i know how to use debian/linux too
• 718[03:47:34] <Vantouras> its freaking no rocket science
• 719[03:47:51] <Atm0spher1c> then install the right package
• 720[03:47:51] <Vantouras> yo coming back , going out to buy beers
• 721[03:47:58] <Vantouras> i swear i did
• 722[03:48:10] <Vantouras> compat-wireless
• 723[03:48:12] <Vantouras> 2010
• 724[03:48:23] <Vantouras> and then i do make unload
• 725[03:48:27] <Vantouras> make load
• 726[03:48:55] <Vantouras> and then something shows up , but its a simulator not my wireless card
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• 740[03:54:55] <Weeezy> idk still sounds like it can't find drivers.
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• 743[03:55:43] <missmbob> sounds like an idiot that cant pull his head out of his own ass
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• 746[03:58:06] <Atm0spher1c> I might have answered but seems frowned upon. Simple search and install, that's all. Although, he's not doing anything important anyway :)
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• 969[06:21:15] <armando> Is it considered bad practice to install a package from sid in stretch? I'm reading the dont' break debian page and it's talking about how mising packages from debian stable and other debian repos is a bad idea... I understand that stretch isn't currently stable but when it becomes stable I was considering sticking wit it. Would this be considered a franken debian machine?
• 970[06:21:57] <dvs> armando, not at this time
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• 973[06:23:08] <armando> dvs: is that to say when stretch gets promoted to stable at that point I would need to jump to testing to not be in frankendebian status?
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• 975[06:24:29] <dvs> armando, sid and testing are close at this time because testing will become stable soon and all the fixes are going from sid to testing.
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• 991[06:30:03] <armando> dvs, I see so if sid and testing were farther apart it would be considered a bad idea. If I am interested in retaining my firefox version without too much of a headache of having a divergant system, so far I have only done this with a handful of pacakges
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• 994[06:30:49] <dvs> armando, what version of firefox?
• 995[06:30:56] <Rusty1_> armando: check out apt pinning
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• 998[06:32:00] <armando> Rusty1_: yeah I''m already leveraging apt pinning to accomplish this my question was more about the repercusions of that over time
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• 1001[06:33:18] <armando> dvs. I installed firefox 50 to try to get the mutithreaded stuff working
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• 1003[06:33:42] <dvs> !mdn
• 1004[06:33:42] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at replaced-url
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• 1009[06:36:59] <armando> Oh that's a fantastic option
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• 1014[06:41:05] <armando> hmm so after pinning unstable repo I was able to install the firefox 50 package with apt-get install firefox/unstable
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• 1018[06:41:40] <armando> How can I downgrade back to the testing package so I can then replace it with the release repo
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• 1021[06:41:55] <dvs> !downgrade
• 1022[06:41:55] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
• 1023[06:42:00] <armando> I tried doing an apt-get purge firefox && apt-get install firefox but it just installes the same copy
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• 1025[06:43:28] <armando> ah I see
• 1026[06:43:39] <armando> looks like I had both versions installed I guess
• 1027[06:43:57] <dvs> no, you have unstable now
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• 1030[06:47:38] <armando> Oh ok I see
• 1031[06:48:46] <armando> So looking at the directions on mozilla.debian.net it seems I can install it using 'apt-get install -t unstable firefox' that looks pretty similar to the command I used to install from the pinned unstable repo. What causes apt to prefer this unstable repo over my pinned one that is also labeled as unstable
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• 1057[07:04:24] <SanchoPensa> Morning...
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• 1060[07:05:14] <LipstickLesbian> "I'm just glad I don't live in a country where I will not be thrown in jail for questioning this hoax."
• 1061[07:05:35] <LipstickLesbian> replaced-url
• 1062[07:05:36] <SanchoPensa> which one?
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• 1065[07:06:15] <noobular> Hello!
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• 1067[07:06:23] <SanchoPensa> what alternatives are there to gufw? i need an iptables frontend, but gufw always crashes with segemntation faults...
• 1068[07:06:45] <noobular> After an unspecified time my internet connection is lost, and when I try to reconnect I get the following error:
• 1069[07:06:55] <noobular> (1) Creating object for path '/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/16' failed in libnm-glib.
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• 1077[07:08:14] <noobular> And when I lose my internet connection, it only comes back after I restart the computer
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• 1086[07:12:16] <noobular> hmm, maybe now that I've uninstalled wicd and it's depends it might be okay, not sure yet
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• 1090[07:16:39] <awal1> SanchoPensa, gufw is a front-end for ufw, which in turn is a front-end for iptables
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• 1122[07:55:33] <Nick-chx> does anyone know of which os is this web browser? replaced-url
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• 1133[08:01:55] <Nick-hxc> + does anyone know of which os is this web browser ? replaced-url
• 1134[08:01:58] <Nick-hxc> hello
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• 1139[08:05:03] <noobular> Hi again
• 1140[08:05:09] <noobular> same problem as before
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• 1146[08:06:01] <noobular> After an indeterminate amount of time my internet disconnects, and when I try to reconnect I get the following error: (1) Creating object for path '/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/16' failed in libnm-glib.
• 1147[08:06:14] <noobular> the 16 is often a diff number though
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• 1160[08:11:25] <noobular> any ideas?
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• 1164[08:15:32] <noobular> replaced-url
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• 1299[09:41:58] <lxsameer> hi guys, how can I remove all the packages related to graphical environment ? all x11 and stuff ?
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• 1302[09:43:08] <iflema> lxsameer: new install and copy home over?
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• 1305[09:43:38] <iflema> lxsameer: pretty sure theres no magic switch. You could do it for sure... but good luck with that
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• 1308[09:44:14] <iflema> could be fun
• 1309[09:44:25] <iflema> ish
• 1310[09:44:34] <lxsameer> iflema: no, it's a server which weirdly contains x11, I remember that there was some group stuff for packages
• 1311[09:45:23] * iflema serving what
• 1312[09:45:24] <iflema> ok
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• 1314[09:45:52] <iflema> im fresh out of ideas
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• 1322[09:50:18] <lxsameer> thanks
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• 1325[09:52:03] <jelly> lxsameer: pull a crucial X11-related library package out, and see all the packages depending on it directly or indirectly get removed as well
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• 1330[09:53:41] <iflema> lxsameer: yeah sorry.. have not used debian or a derivative for some time... id have to google :/
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• 1332[09:53:58] <iflema> hit up the wiki and stuff
• 1333[09:54:00] <iflema> =)
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• 1482[11:52:17] <ShorTie> mornin guys, when cdebootstrap x86, does it pull grub in defualt or is there extra steps needed ??
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• 1485[11:54:26] <GPenguin> ShorTie: no bootmanager is included
• 1486[11:54:33] <GPenguin> and no kernel
• 1487[11:55:29] <ShorTie> ok, Thankz
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• 1503[12:02:27] <Xz> guys, I'm looking for a reasonable distro to do daily work off a USB-stick
• 1504[12:02:47] <Xz> so that would be live distro; with the exception, it has to boot in secure-boot mode
• 1505[12:03:04] <Xz> AFAIK it's a no-no for Debian
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• 1510[12:04:47] <SynrG> Xz: perhaps ask on ##linux as we only support Debian here
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• 1647[13:08:56] <afx_> Hello! I am having problems with slow boot times in gnome/debian 8 x64. You can see my problem here : replaced-url
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• 1650[13:10:42] <petemc> afx_: you could try using something like bootchart
• 1651[13:10:57] <afx_> petemc, ok let me try this
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• 1653[13:11:24] <afx_> also what stage of booting might that be ? Gnome loading perhaps ?
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• 1684[13:23:41] <iLembus> how do i mount with fstab?
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• 1686[13:23:59] <iLembus> A buddy of mine said i cannot boot if a drive inside the fstab is not connected
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• 1688[13:24:07] <iLembus> he said i should use a init script instead
• 1689[13:24:19] <iLembus> how would i do that? Googling the problem seems to be unhelpful
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• 1691[13:25:04] <Vizva> nofail option
• 1692[13:25:30] <Vizva> iLembus i think nofail add for your disk
• 1693[13:25:42] <iLembus> Vizva: thank you
• 1694[13:25:46] <iLembus> Vizva: i will add this
• 1695[13:25:47] <iLembus> :)
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• 1697[13:26:14] <Vizva> but the drive will not add automatically
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• 1699[13:26:20] <Vizva> if you connect it
• 1700[13:26:27] <Vizva> i think so then you use
• 1701[13:26:31] <Vizva> mount -a
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• 1704[13:27:30] <Vizva> and i hope it isnt a system drive :)
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• 1707[13:28:06] <m3k> When I issue 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade -V -P', it just upgrades everything without asking for confirmation, even though the `-P' option is provided. Any idea?
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• 1717[13:30:38] <Vizva> <iLembus> read about the command , what happen , its not 100% sure that this is the solution
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• 1724[13:31:52] <Vizva> <iLembus> nofail is wrong
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• 1726[13:32:00] <Vizva> it will stop booting
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• 1728[13:32:13] <iLembus> nofail = Do not report errors for this device if it does not exist.
• 1729[13:32:14] <Vizva> and takes a long time, maybe never ends
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• 1731[13:32:29] <iLembus> so I'll just set it to defaults,nofail :)
• 1732[13:32:38] <Vizva> so you need to look for the approbiate
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• 1734[13:32:50] <Vizva> maybe noauto
• 1735[13:33:00] <iLembus> Vizva: nah it should mount on boot
• 1736[13:33:16] <iLembus> Vizva: it's a server which i only touch for config
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• 1746[13:36:45] <Vizva> i use a lvm for this
• 1747[13:37:23] <Vizva> its not available on boot
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• 1751[13:38:08] <Vizva> then i connect it and use vgchange -ay
• 1752[13:38:12] <ShorTie> is there any way to cdebootstrap a sysinit system instead of systemd ??
• 1753[13:38:17] <Aimmy> Hello friends. My screen dies after 5 minutes and that kinda annoys me. How, in the name of god do I change this?
• 1754[13:38:41] <ShorTie> or is it just remove systemd and install sysinit ??
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• 1757[13:39:26] <Vizva> the screen explode ? how do it die?
• 1758[13:39:29] <ShorTie> afterwards
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• 1767[13:42:20] <afx_> petemc, I have install bootchart2 ang pybootchartgui but after rebooting and running pybootchartgui I get warning: path '/var/log/bootchart.tgz' does not exist, ignoring.
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• 1772[13:44:17] <iLembus> i am mounting a whole disk
• 1773[13:44:31] <iLembus> does this has any (dis)advantance against mounting a part?
• 1774[13:44:38] <iLembus> i am actually surprised that i am able to do so
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• 1786[13:50:09] <Vizva> iLembus this disk have one partition ?
• 1787[13:50:32] <iLembus> Vizva: i did mkfs.ext4 on this one
• 1788[13:50:45] <iLembus> Vizva: it's an external harddrive and i can use the mountpoint without problems
• 1789[13:50:53] <iLembus> Vizva: or at least it seems like it works properly
• 1790[13:51:03] <iLembus> Vizva: lsblk also tells me that the mount is successful
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• 1792[13:52:59] <Vizva> it have one partition before?
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• 1796[13:53:59] <Vizva> before i use mksf i check partitions
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• 1799[13:56:37] <iLembus> Vizva: previously it was a freshly bought harddrive with NTFS
• 1800[13:56:46] <Vizva> because if you have more than one partition its possible use a part only of this whole disk
• 1801[13:56:53] <iLembus> Vizva: only advertisement i dont care about from the herddrive maker was on it
• 1802[13:57:12] <iLembus> Vizva: so this is normal?
• 1803[13:57:17] <Vizva> yes
• 1804[13:57:22] <iLembus> Vizva: ok
• 1805[13:57:24] <iLembus> Vizva: cool
• 1806[13:57:25] <Vizva> you can use a whole disk
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• 1814[13:59:36] <Vizva> sudo fdisk -l
• 1815[13:59:54] <Vizva> iLembus you could take a look
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• 1818[14:03:02] <iLembus> Vizva: yea i dont really knwo what that is supposed to tellme
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• 1821[14:03:15] <iLembus> Vizva: he doesn't print all parts
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• 1823[14:03:28] <iLembus> Vizva: prints the same as lsblk
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• 1831[14:06:37] <Vizva> <iLembus> it show many infos that you can check about your disk
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• 1835[14:09:14] <iLembus> Vizva: replaced-url
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• 1837[14:09:22] <iLembus> I'm fine as long as the mountpoint keeps working
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• 1853[14:17:16] <Vizva> <iLembus> it will
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• 1858[14:17:48] <Vizva> there is no limitation using a whole disk
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• 1864[14:18:36] <iLembus> Vizva: okay coll
• 1865[14:18:39] <iLembus> Vizva: *cool
• 1866[14:18:44] <iLembus> Vizva: thanks for your help
• 1867[14:18:51] <Vizva> but such a disk, i would like to do more configs on it
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• 1872[14:20:11] <Vizva> if a partition fails for example it dont affect another partitions
• 1873[14:20:49] <Vizva> but if this disk fail and you have everything on it - everything fails - only for example
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• 1909[14:32:55] <jonah> Hi can anyone please help. I can't start mysql with errors such as apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/sys/devices/system/node/" pid=4418 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=102 ouid=0
• 1910[14:33:00] <jonah> since doing an update
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• 1916[14:35:24] <N3m3s1s> Come onnnnn
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• 1920[14:35:54] <darkangel> -_-
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• 1924[14:36:05] <dwarfmut> guys... exists a tool like a fedora koji for debian?
• 1925[14:36:15] <abrotman> which does what?
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• 1927[14:36:43] <daydreams123> finally -_-
• 1928[14:36:59] <daydreams123> hello
• 1929[14:37:09] <daydreams123> Anyone here
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• 1933[14:37:59] <smeert> can i somehow use dpkg to see what version is .deb ?
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• 1935[14:38:32] <daydreams123> :P :P
• 1936[14:38:47] <daydreams123> I aint getting anything -_-
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• 1939[14:39:20] <tx> daydreams123: dpkg -I <file>
• 1940[14:39:24] <tx> that's a capital i
• 1941[14:39:48] <daydreams123> Oh, I see, LoL
• 1942[14:39:49] <daydreams123> :P
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• 1950[14:43:38] <daydreams123> C ya guys, Tadaaaaaa
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• 1952[14:44:07] <dwarfmut> somebody already used mini-buildd
• 1953[14:44:08] <dwarfmut> ?
• 1954[14:45:05] <McMirc> Hi, how do i set up four Monitors in Debian, only two are recognized and work out-of-the-box
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• 1956[14:46:26] <McMirc> like it seems to be in all Distros....
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• 1959[14:48:47] <mosasaur> McMirc: no that I know much about it, but what does xrandr --listproviders say?
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• 1965[14:50:51] <McMirc> mosasaur: xrandr -q shows two monitors with possible resolutions
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• 1968[14:52:05] <mosasaur> McMirc: as far as I can tell you'd need enough crtcs
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• 1971[14:53:37] <McMirc> mosasaur: I do not understand, what are you trying to say ? That i need 4 cathode ray monitors ?
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• 1975[14:54:20] <abrotman> McMirc: how are they plugged in?
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• 1979[14:54:44] <Time-Warp> behold the powers of libfm
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• 1981[14:54:52] <newbiee> Hi people I have a question whichis not debian specific but maybe somebody would be willing to help.
• 1982[14:54:53] <newbiee> I need to find in a directory all the files whichname contains the exclamation mark, that is !
• 1983[14:54:53] <newbiee> I tried find -iname "*!*" but this would not work, apparently this command means something else. Any help?
• 1984[14:55:02] <abrotman> newbiee: ask #bash
• 1985[14:55:23] <McMirc> abrotman: in an Nvidia Quadro Card.., connectors DMS-59 i think...
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• 1987[14:55:40] <abrotman> all the monitors into one card?
• 1988[14:55:44] <McMirc> yes
• 1989[14:56:38] <abrotman> did you try removing the two working monitors to see if the other two would then be detected?
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• 1994[14:57:30] <McMirc> abrotman: no i did not.., but nevermind, i am not intented to be tinkering around...
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• 1997[14:58:05] <McMirc> i just want somebody that has done it before, and i able to provide me with some information...
• 1998[14:58:17] <McMirc> on how to do it..
• 1999[14:58:20] <psyb0t> hello chan! i just got to need ipv6 connection but I can't seem to get it to work. My router works fine, I have ipv6 on my android phone. So I'm using Debian Jessie and ping6 ipv6.google.com just gives me connect: Network is unreachable. modprobe ipv6 doesn't do anything as lsmod doesn't show any ipv6 module. my eth0 shows my local-link address though so I don't get it :/ could anyone help? thx
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• 2002[14:58:43] <smeert> tx: what about installed file?
• 2003[14:59:41] <tx> dpkg -s <package name>
• 2004[14:59:41] <dpkg> There is no record of a <package name> package
• 2005[14:59:47] <tx> lol shh dpkg
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• 2007[15:00:01] <mosasaur> McMirc: maybe some background is in order replaced-url
• 2008[15:00:18] <smeert> ehh, i've instlled wrong version somehow
• 2009[15:00:46] <McMirc> mosasaur: thx, so far, i am wainting for someone to tell me how it is done.
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• 2013[15:02:22] <abrotman> psyb0t: what does "ip -6 addr show" give for your IPs?
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• 2017[15:03:05] <mosasaur> McMirc: I had bought this extra monitor thing that plugged in an usb 3 bus, but it turned out I didn't have enough crtcs
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• 2019[15:03:38] <psyb0t> abrotman, 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qlen 1000 [\n] inet6 fe80::d250:99ff:fe35:4e8f/64 scope link [\n] valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
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• 2021[15:04:12] <McMirc> mosasaur: you did not have enough what ? cathode ray tube-connectors ?
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• 2024[15:06:11] <abrotman> psyb0t: that's not a real IP
• 2025[15:06:17] <McMirc> mosasaur: how do you verify if you have enough CRT-Controllers... ?
• 2026[15:06:19] <abrotman> I mean, it is, but not from your router/modem
• 2027[15:06:29] <psyb0t> abrotman, i'm behind a router
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• 2030[15:07:02] <abrotman> psyb0t: does it support IPv6? (I will tell you that occasionally, my wifi router stops giving out IPv6 addresses, and a restart resolves that)
• 2031[15:07:13] <psyb0t> abrotman, yes it does. it works on my android phone and on a windows machine
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• 2034[15:07:42] <psyb0t> abrotman, just now i went to test-ipv6.com and it goes smoothly on the phone
• 2035[15:07:44] <mosasaur> McMirc: I think via xrandr --listproviders
• 2036[15:08:01] <abrotman> psyb0t: is your phone using wifi or 4g?
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• 2038[15:08:09] <psyb0t> abrotman, lol phone is on wifi
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• 2041[15:08:42] <McMirc> mosasaur: well lspci |grep -i vga apparently shows four connections..
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• 2043[15:09:35] <abrotman> psyb0t: you can have dhclient request v6 addresses
• 2044[15:09:57] <mosasaur> McMirc: replaced-url
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• 2050[15:11:23] <psyb0t> abrotman, dhclient -6 eth0 hangs :/
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• 2056[15:13:28] <abrotman> psyb0t: You could check the Debian wiki for IPv6
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• 2058[15:14:14] <psyb0t> abrotman, yeah been there. trying to fix this for a couple of hrs now. meh thx for suggesting dhclient. at least i got more specific in my searches xD
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• 2063[15:15:59] <abrotman> psyb0t: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
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• 2065[15:16:21] <abrotman> or are you using netowrkmanager?
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• 2071[15:20:17] <psyb0t> abrotman, auto lo [\n] iface lo inet loopback [\n] iface lo inet6 loopback
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• 2089[15:31:13] <Aimmy> Hay guys. Is there any program to control your phone from debian? Tired of sending texts from my shitty phone..
• 2090[15:31:13] <psyb0t> abrotman, oh yeah I'm also using networkmanager
• 2091[15:31:44] <psyb0t> abrotman, with a static IPv4 and Auto from DHCP on ipv6
• 2092[15:32:19] * Dagger suggests killing networkmanager with fire if possible
• 2093[15:32:31] <tomcres> aimmy kdeconnect is one. I don't know if there may be others. It only works with Android.
• 2094[15:32:47] <Dagger> (makes wifi more of a pain if you need to change networks frequrently though)
• 2095[15:33:18] <tomcres> ,i kdeconnect
• 2096[15:33:19] <Aimmy> tomcres: aight I will have a look at it :) Thank you
• 2097[15:33:20] <judd> Package kdeconnect (kde, optional) in jessie/amd64: connect smartphones to your KDE Plasma Workspace. Version: 0.7.2-1; Size: 266.7k; Installed: 1642k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2098[15:33:20] <Dagger> does it have any other auto options for v6? your network may not have DHCPv6
• 2099[15:33:26] <teraflops> psyb0t: automatic or automatic-ipv6? perhaps your router is not doing dhcp just ra
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• 2102[15:33:51] <psyb0t> teraflops, automatic, DHCP only
• 2103[15:34:11] <psyb0t> Dagger, my network has v6 because it works on my android phone and on a windows machine
• 2104[15:34:37] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
• 2105[15:34:47] <Dagger> psyb0t: but that doesn't mean you have DHCPv6
• 2106[15:35:15] <psyb0t> Dagger, if I didn't have that, my phone wouldn't be able to have IPv6
• 2107[15:35:19] <psyb0t> i tested it on test-ipv6.xom
• 2108[15:35:21] <psyb0t> com
• 2109[15:35:39] <Dagger> you said you have an Android phone though. Android doesn't even support DHCPv6
• 2110[15:35:40] <teraflops> psyb0t: you're not getting what we said
• 2111[15:35:42] <psyb0t> Dagger, so dhcp6 from the router worked
• 2112[15:35:58] <Dagger> (you can autoconfigure addresses in v6 without needing DHCPv6)
• 2113[15:36:16] <psyb0t> Dagger, you're talking about the dhcp server?
• 2114[15:36:34] <psyb0t> teraflops, :/ could you please rephrase then?
• 2115[15:36:59] <teraflops> I cannot rephrase it better that Dagger did
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• 2120[15:38:09] <teraflops> psyb0t: did you try just "automatic"?
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• 2123[15:39:41] <psyb0t> teraflops, yeah with "automatic" dhclient -6 does not hang, but still "network is unreachable" when ping6 ipv6.google.com
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• 2125[15:40:19] <noqnio1> hey. i am currently using gnome3, if i apt-get install xfce4 will i just get it as an option on gdm with no conflicts whatsoever?
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• 2130[15:45:26] <abrotman> noqnio1: that's the idea, yes
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• 2187[16:19:38] <RuGaL> Hello, I am using Debian 8 Jessie. I can't able to DCC with my eggdrop.
• 2188[16:20:00] <RuGaL> DCC session closed
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• 2203[16:28:16] <Aimmy> Hey guys. How do I create a pgp key in debian?
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• 2205[16:29:20] <dvs> Aimmy, apt-get install gnupg is a good start
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• 2207[16:29:29] <tomcres> Aimmy: gpg --gen-key
• 2208[16:29:35] <RuGaL> hello
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• 2210[16:29:43] <RuGaL> How i enable my ip on debian
• 2211[16:30:25] <Aimmy> so gpg and pgp is same shit?
• 2212[16:30:27] <tomcres> RuGaL: what do you mean by "enable my ip?"
• 2213[16:30:42] <tomcres> gpg is the GNU version of PGP. 100% compatible.
• 2214[16:30:43] <RuGaL> Client: CWStats (0.0.0.168)
• 2215[16:30:43] <RuGaL> Time: Sun Jan 22 18:28:50 2017
• 2216[16:30:52] <RuGaL> Acknowledging chat request...
• 2217[16:30:52] <RuGaL> -
• 2218[16:30:52] <RuGaL> Unable to connect
• 2219[16:30:52] <RuGaL> -
• 2220[16:30:52] <RuGaL> DCC session closed
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• 2224[16:31:02] <RuGaL> Unable to DCC with my bot
• 2225[16:31:18] <Aimmy> aha. Thank you guys.
• 2226[16:32:03] <GPenguin> RuGaL: the eggdrop runs on what operating system?
• 2227[16:32:32] <RuGaL> Debian 8 Jessie
• 2228[16:32:39] <RuGaL> I am on Windows 10
• 2229[16:32:47] <md5sum> 3//whois rugal
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• 2231[16:33:37] <GPenguin> RuGaL: you need to open a port and use that in the eggdrop config
• 2232[16:33:51] <Aimmy> keysize for gpg = 4096 = strongest?
• 2233[16:33:56] <RuGaL> How i open port on debian ?
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• 2237[16:34:14] <gebruiker> hello
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• 2239[16:34:36] <GPenguin> RuGaL: do you have a firewall active?
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• 2241[16:34:45] <RuGaL> no
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• 2243[16:34:54] <RuGaL> I want to active firewall on Debian 8
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• 2246[16:35:36] <GPenguin> RuGaL: the firewall topic is covered by several guides which you can find with your prefered search engine
• 2247[16:35:58] <GPenguin> the eggdrop part you better ask on channels like #eggdrop or #egghelp
• 2248[16:36:13] <RuGaL> They even dont know what they are saying
• 2249[16:36:18] <RuGaL> I am asking them
• 2250[16:36:32] <RuGaL> You give me Firewall commands please for debaian
• 2251[16:37:01] <GPenguin> its not just about typing a command. you better learn from a guide or howto
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• 2257[16:42:29] <Aimmy> Guys! I'm trying to generate my pgp key but I get error.
• 2258[16:42:31] <Aimmy> We need to generate a lot of random bytes. It is a good idea to perform
• 2259[16:42:31] <Aimmy> some other action (type on the keyboard, move the mouse, utilize the
• 2260[16:42:31] <Aimmy> disks) during the prime generation; this gives the random number
• 2261[16:42:31] <Aimmy> generator a better chance to gain enough entropy.
• 2262[16:42:31] <Aimmy> Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give
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• 2300[17:02:00] <Sonic_blue1> Hi there fellow people of debian
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• 2303[17:03:15] <Sonic_blue1> Did anybody see Linus Torvald's remark in why Linux isn't succeeding on the Desktop? In debConf 14' he remarks that the reason why it isn't succeeding is because packaging just basically sucks for every distro.
• 2304[17:03:27] <Sonic_blue1> here is the exact moment -> replaced-url
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• 2312[17:05:56] <Vizva> there is no text version?
• 2313[17:06:51] <Vizva> but packaging just basically protects against the virus world?
• 2314[17:06:53] <Sonic_blue1> i can't find any transcript of him
• 2315[17:07:09] <Sonic_blue1> uh....no that's not what he sayd
• 2316[17:07:11] <Sonic_blue1> says
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• 2318[17:07:21] <Vizva> this is what i say
• 2319[17:07:46] <Vizva> therefore i use debian
• 2320[17:07:55] <Vizva> i dont like to spread too much
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• 2322[17:08:23] <Sonic_blue1> ok, but what i would like is people that agree or disagree with him and why
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• 2324[17:08:46] <Vizva> but i dont understand one thing, the world have snapshots but nobody use it to secure the computer systems
• 2325[17:09:10] <Vizva> windows for example likes to run through the wall
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• 2327[17:09:28] <Sonic_blue1> through the wall?
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• 2329[17:10:03] <Vizva> yes the system never works for me get a backup or go back in time
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• 2334[17:10:30] <Sonic_blue1> ok
• 2335[17:10:31] <Vizva> so it looks like drive into a wall if you face problems
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• 2340[17:12:04] <Vizva> this means every program can interfere with the backup system
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• 2342[17:12:31] <Vizva> it should be like a vm
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• 2344[17:12:58] <Sonic_blue1> are you talking about linux?
• 2345[17:13:08] <Vizva> ishould :)
• 2346[17:13:31] <Vizva> its more satisfying
• 2347[17:13:47] <Sonic_blue1> bacause this packaging issue isn't going away when lots of people just ignore the problem
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• 2349[17:14:13] <Sonic_blue1> and to have the designer himself say it , i wonder why this hasn't been talked about in this kind of way
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• 2351[17:15:15] <Sonic_blue1> or it has, but i haven't came across some major debates about it
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• 2353[17:15:55] <Vizva> on some systems you can run everything directly and therefore this systems are vulnerable
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• 2355[17:16:19] <smeert> hmm
• 2356[17:16:28] <smeert> i did apt-get purge software
• 2357[17:16:39] <smeert> im now trying to install it again, but i cant. what to do?
• 2358[17:16:50] <smeert> i mean it claims to install, but no services are running like they should
• 2359[17:17:17] <Vizva> you did reboot for minimum?
• 2360[17:17:30] <Vizva> maybe some program still run
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• 2365[17:18:39] <smeert> me?
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• 2367[17:20:09] <Sonic_blue1> Are there any major players here right now, that have an insight on the matter linus talks about?
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• 2369[17:20:30] <Sonic_blue1> are there maybe plans on the horizon, to be a more uniform approach and tackle this issue?
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• 2373[17:21:42] <Sonic_blue1> or is it just dead in the water, that would be sad
• 2374[17:22:17] <hlam> I don't really know much/anything about it, but maybe GNU Guix (gnu.org/software/guix) could have a role to play?
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• 2377[17:23:24] <Sonic_blue1> but debian higher ups overrule GNU people on the plans of debian packaging right? or am i assuming wrong
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• 2379[17:23:58] <hlam> See replaced-url
• 2380[17:24:30] <hlam> I really want to try to get into using Guix, possibly on top of Debian at first, as it seems like it may be a possible solution to some of the problems Linus talks about.
• 2381[17:24:57] <Sonic_blue1> hows it dealing with deb hell?
• 2382[17:25:10] <Sonic_blue1> * dependancy
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• 2384[17:26:57] <hlam> Have a look at the linked slides, they explain it a lot better than I possibly could, it promises to seamlessly handle multiple library versions, transactional/atomic package changes, per-user setups, and unprivileged package management
• 2385[17:28:08] <hlam> possibly even multiple per-user setups, and historical states which can be rolled back to
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• 2387[17:28:40] <Sonic_blue1> ah, i was reviewing self contained sandboxed apps
• 2388[17:28:51] <Sonic_blue1> with dependencies all in one folder, like mac does
• 2389[17:29:22] <Sonic_blue1> called snaps
• 2390[17:29:38] <Sonic_blue1> replaced-url
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• 2396[17:30:49] <hlam> Sounds interesting, I will take a look.
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• 2398[17:31:17] <Sonic_blue1> you just make 1 snap package and deploy on multiple distros
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• 2414[17:41:17] <James123_> Hello, I ssh into a debian machine and the terminal does not display greek file names when I run e.g. `ls`. (and when typing greek characters, only some of them are displayed). Any ideas?
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• 2436[17:49:57] <m3k> do antix users get support in here?
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• 2439[17:50:26] <tomcres> !antix
• 2440[17:50:27] <dpkg> antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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• 2449[17:53:36] <m3k> !mepis
• 2450[17:53:36] <dpkg> MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian. SimplyMEPIS 11 (based on Squeeze), SimplyMEPIS 8.0/8.5 (based on Lenny) and antiX (based on <testing>) are not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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• 2453[17:55:11] <m3k> in #mepis there are four users!
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• 2463[17:59:12] <zykotick9> m3k: consider support when choosing your OS...
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• 2478[18:05:50] <jasabella> hi
• 2479[18:06:30] <Sonic_blue1> hi
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• 2484[18:09:49] <smartfellowreec> help
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• 2487[18:11:51] <Sonic_blue1> what is it smartfellowreec
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• 2499[18:16:43] <blastwave> just a question about "apt-get upgrade" where I see a strange message "The following packages have been kept back" and there are a bucket of them. This is stretch by the way. On x86_64.
• 2500[18:17:01] <petemc> !kept back
• 2501[18:17:01] <dpkg> rumour has it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also replaced-url
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• 2503[18:17:35] <blastwave> well that was cool
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• 2505[18:17:45] <Sonic_blue1> that's one smart bot
• 2506[18:17:49] <blastwave> must learn how to talk to this bot
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• 2508[18:18:00] <blastwave> indeed ... I wonder if it can play chess
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• 2510[18:18:02] <Sonic_blue1> does it have it's own knowledge DB?
• 2511[18:18:05] <zykotick9> !msg the bot
• 2512[18:18:05] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
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• 2514[18:18:37] <blastwave> well on that note .. must reboot and move my computer around
• 2515[18:18:42] <blastwave> back in a while
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• 2517[18:18:53] <zykotick9> ^^ anything in <bracket> indicates a topic
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• 2535[18:25:38] <Aimmy> Hey guys. Is there any difference in security between gnupg v2 and v1?
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• 2540[18:31:50] <ompaul> Aimmy: replaced-url
• 2541[18:32:01] <ompaul> It tells the tail.
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• 2548[18:33:45] <tomcres> Aimmy: I think it's a difference in feature set more than a difference in security. In any event, the keys are interchangeable between one version and the other.
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• 2551[18:34:19] <Aimmy> Alright.
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• 2555[18:35:22] <velix> Why do libmodplug1 libmp3lame0 and others unneeded stuff when installing postgresql-9.6-postgis-2.3?
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• 2560[18:35:56] <velix> oops: Why do libmodplug1 libmp3lame0 and other unneeded stuff get installed when installing postgresql-9.6-postgis-2.3?
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• 2562[18:36:34] <zykotick9> velix: check "aptitude why foo" you can look into disabling recommends/suggests for particular package(s) perhaps?
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• 2564[18:36:50] <velix> zykotick9: did --no-install-recommends
• 2565[18:36:56] <velix> zykotick9: let's try "why"
• 2566[18:37:05] <zykotick9> velix: ahhh. good luck then ;)
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• 2569[18:37:30] <velix> zykotick9: Debian's packages and dependances are often wayyyy to much.
• 2570[18:37:30] <GPenguin> velix: are the dependencies "essential"?
• 2571[18:37:52] <velix> GPenguin: How can I figure this out?
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• 2573[18:38:29] <GPenguin> i thought about it. i dont want to help you. good luck
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• 2575[18:38:49] <Aimmy> So, I'm comparing the virtual machines BOXES and virtualbox to eachother. In boxes I have the option to cut comunication with for example my hightech mouse, but I can't see any option in my virtualbox for this. Does this mean the security is higher in boxes or just virtualbox that can't comunicate with it?
• 2576[18:39:04] <velix> libxvidcore4 ... it really wants to install XVID on a spatial database system?
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• 2582[18:39:59] <velix> libsfcgal1 seems to be the problem
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• 2585[18:40:57] <Sonic_blue1> can someone tell me why sometimes applications dissappear
• 2586[18:41:05] <velix> GPenguin & zykotick9: thanks for help
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• 2588[18:41:22] <Sonic_blue1> they get removed , but why?
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• 2593[18:44:22] <Texou> Sonic_blue1: probably because you remove a dependency or a metapackage which installed them
• 2594[18:44:26] <Sonic_blue1> is it because when i remove one program, it removes debs
• 2595[18:44:45] <Sonic_blue1> that is needed by that other program, and gets flagged for removal?
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• 2599[18:46:09] <Texou> Sonic_blue1: yes, even if removing .deb in archives has no consequence. but if you remove a program which is a dependency, the other is removed as well
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• 2601[18:46:22] <Texou> you can see this at apt-get remove time
• 2602[18:47:01] <Sonic_blue1> now i am really considering using self contained applications
• 2603[18:47:25] <Sonic_blue1> this struggling with deps is getting to me
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• 2605[18:48:22] <SamsaraSoup> do you guys generally use su or sudo? Just curious?
• 2606[18:48:23] <Texou> Sonic_blue1: well just have a look before any removal to know consequences
• 2607[18:48:34] <Texou> SamsaraSoup: yes
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• 2609[18:48:52] <Texou> Sonic_blue1: you can't just have self-contained apps
• 2610[18:48:59] <Texou> especially if they are GUI
• 2611[18:49:09] <Sonic_blue1> yes you can, search for snappy snapcraft.io
• 2612[18:49:20] <Sonic_blue1> self contained sandboxed apps on linux
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• 2614[18:49:40] <Sonic_blue1> container has its own deps in the same folder
• 2615[18:49:43] <Sonic_blue1> just like mac does
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• 2617[18:50:03] <Texou> Sonic_blue1: ah you probably mean things such as Docker etc
• 2618[18:50:11] <Sonic_blue1> it's now the same
• 2619[18:50:13] <Sonic_blue1> not
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• 2621[18:50:22] <Sonic_blue1> but uses indeed some same tech
• 2622[18:50:26] <Texou> ok
• 2623[18:51:11] <Sonic_blue1> but on my mac, i don't have that problem, worrying about dependencies , updating them etc, just applications
• 2624[18:51:26] <Sonic_blue1> that's why i wanted something like that on my debian machine
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• 2627[18:52:36] <peterrooney> Sonic_blue1: you've never tried installing prolog on a mac.
• 2628[18:52:54] <Sonic_blue1> indeed
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• 2630[18:53:02] <Sonic_blue1> peterrooney:
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• 2633[18:54:12] <Sonic_blue1> but just the general use of applications is what i am referring to
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• 2644[18:58:20] <inch> Self contained applications multiply the work needed for fixing security issues.
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• 2646[18:59:17] <Sonic_blue1> well if the contained app can choice which dep to use
• 2647[18:59:32] <inch> When a bug is found in library x, one would have to know which of the self containerd applications use the library and hope that the packager will provides a fix.
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• 2652[19:00:13] <inch> But with software normally packaged in a deb or rpm, the distro provides the fix and authors of individual applications do not need to bother.
• 2653[19:00:33] <Sonic_blue1> yes that's the case right now i know
• 2654[19:00:45] <Sonic_blue1> but i look at it as a more desktop friendly approach for the newcomers
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• 2657[19:01:09] <Sonic_blue1> and on the serverside, you want security and a stable environment
• 2658[19:01:20] <Sonic_blue1> but it works for mac and android for users
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• 2660[19:01:35] <Sonic_blue1> but i can imagine people that maintain a server with linux
• 2661[19:01:45] <Sonic_blue1> wouldn't want that
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• 2665[19:02:09] <Sonic_blue1> but we can have it both ways not?
• 2666[19:02:20] <Sonic_blue1> self contained apps for desktop linux distros
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• 2668[19:02:27] <Sonic_blue1> easy deployment for devs
• 2669[19:02:58] <inch> There is nothing that would prevent normal linux distros from running self contained applications.
• 2670[19:03:16] <inch> The apps just can't self contain everything.
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• 2672[19:03:36] <Sonic_blue1> how does mac solve this problem then?
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• 2676[19:04:29] <inch> I don't think there is such thing as self contained application for a desktop os.
• 2677[19:04:37] <inch> They use some system libraries anyway.
• 2678[19:05:05] <smartfellowreec> msg smartfellowreec what?
• 2679[19:05:25] <Sonic_blue1> but the main reason i say this is because linus torvald himself says
• 2680[19:05:34] <inch> In desktop linux for example most libraries could be self contained, but it would be a very bad idea to self contain libGL.so.1
• 2681[19:05:43] <Sonic_blue1> this packaging thing on all distro's is the reason why linux on the Desktop hasn't caught on
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• 2685[19:07:33] <nkuttler> Sonic_blue1: for generic questions like this there's ##linux
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• 2688[19:08:12] <Sonic_blue1> yes thank you, but debian being one of the most used distros has the seem problem
• 2689[19:08:23] <Sonic_blue1> *same
• 2690[19:08:26] <nkuttler> Sonic_blue1: it's a feature
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• 2693[19:08:52] <Sonic_blue1> well torvalds describes it as a problem
• 2694[19:08:58] <Sonic_blue1> ;)
• 2695[19:09:24] <inch> Sometimes package management is blamed for the inability to install different versions in parallel. That is partially true, but there is also the alternatives system in Debian: replaced-url
• 2696[19:09:29] <nkuttler> if you want i can reply in #debian-offtopic
• 2697[19:09:43] <Sonic_blue1> how is this offtopic?
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• 2699[19:10:04] <nkuttler> Sonic_blue1: this is primarily a support channel
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• 2702[19:11:01] <Sonic_blue1> ok i am there
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• 2736[19:29:30] <velix> I've digged deeper: OpenSceneGraph and Qt4 are optional dependencies for viewer and 3D format export! I don't have a clue, why this is default on Debian!
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• 2738[19:29:40] <velix> From my poin of view, that's a huge Debian package bug.
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• 2740[19:30:05] <velix> pow('Huge', 10)
• 2741[19:30:06] <nkuttler> velix: viewer?
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• 2744[19:30:42] <velix> nkuttler: I asked myself, why Postgresql's PostGIS extensions needs MP3 lame, xvid and others.
• 2745[19:30:51] <velix> nkuttler: GPenguin & zykotick9 helped me to dig deeper
• 2746[19:31:23] <velix> nkuttler: libsfcgal1 uses an OPTIONAL dependency, which needs hundrets of dependencies.
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• 2748[19:31:47] <velix> nobody needs QT4 and 3d viewing engines on a spatial DB server.
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• 2750[19:32:26] <velix> libsfcgal1 normally needs CMAKE, GCC, CGAL, BOOST, MPFR and GMP. Done.
• 2751[19:32:35] <velix> and not > 80 other dependencies.
• 2752[19:33:08] <velix> What's the correct mailinglist to report this problem?
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• 2755[19:33:40] <somiaj> the BTS
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• 2757[19:34:07] <somiaj> velix: what dependency do you not think needs to be on libsfcgal1, and is this a jessie or stretch/sid package?
• 2758[19:34:46] <velix> somiaj: libsfcgal1 should not include the optinal packages.
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• 2760[19:35:15] <velix> somiaj: right now, it depends on libopenscenegrap, which depends on libav ...
• 2761[19:35:30] <velix> somiaj: and libav ... you know ... all libs out there with audio and video codecs.
• 2762[19:35:48] <velix> somiaj: Also, QT for viewing was included with all VESA and GPU stuff.
• 2763[19:36:17] <velix> I'm going to develope a patch and try to build on my local system.
• 2764[19:36:20] <somiaj> velix: You should be more speicifc espically if you are going to file a bug report. Are these depends or recommends or suggested packages? where do they appear in the chain. Also what version of debian is hits?
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• 2766[19:36:55] <velix> somiaj: On Debian, they depend on it. But they're optinal for sfcgi only.
• 2767[19:37:15] <somiaj> velix: what version of debian?
• 2768[19:37:24] <velix> somiaj: Jessie, same problem for Stretch and upper.
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• 2770[19:37:40] <somiaj> okay, well you can report abug against stretch and see what the matainer has to say.
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• 2772[19:38:37] <velix> somiaj: I bet, the problem is that you can't seperate both libraries.
• 2773[19:38:50] <somiaj> I would classify this as a wishlist bug
• 2774[19:38:53] <velix> somiaj: either you can have QT/AV support or you can't.
• 2775[19:38:55] <velix> somiaj: ok
• 2776[19:39:06] <velix> Okay, I'll write a short text later and post it here before posting it on the mailing list.
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• 2778[19:39:20] <somiaj> !reportbug
• 2779[19:39:20] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
• 2780[19:39:33] <somiaj> no report it on the BTS against the package that has the dependency you think is optional and should be removed or adjusted.
• 2781[19:39:42] <velix> somiaj: ok
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• 2783[19:40:12] <somiaj> seems it is the libopenscenegraph100v5 dependency that is then pulling in other video/multimedia/libs you would prefer it didn't.
• 2784[19:40:29] <velix> somiaj: yep
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• 2787[19:40:37] <velix> somiaj: Can you understand my point? :)
• 2788[19:41:33] <somiaj> debian tries to pick somewhat sane build requirements, but what about the people who want these features with libsfcgal.
• 2789[19:42:12] <somiaj> sometimes with binary packages you have to take that tradeoff, that you may have more additional compile time features than you need. In most cases harddrive space is not an issue and libs are small, so the other libs sitting on your system don't cause too much harm (imo)
• 2790[19:42:32] <somiaj> but now the case is, if this dependency is removed, do people who want it need to rebuild, or do people who don't want it have to either live with some extra libs on their system or rebuild.
• 2791[19:43:27] <somiaj> I didn't see any mention in the change log of this depends, so unsure if it was added for a reason, or just because it can be.
• 2792[19:43:27] <velix> somiaj: Yeah, I can understand this. But exactly this "satisfy every user" position leads people to use Docker.
• 2793[19:43:49] <velix> I don't want 80 AV-codecs on my DB server.
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• 2795[19:44:01] <velix> even when they're inactive :)
• 2796[19:44:09] <somiaj> velix: if you install with the --witout-recommends, do you get a more resonable solution?
• 2797[19:44:18] <velix> somiaj: nope.
• 2798[19:44:26] <somiaj> could be only the libs are required, and all the codecs get pulled in as recommended packages.
• 2799[19:44:30] <velix> somiaj: I'm using --no-install-recommends
• 2800[19:44:36] <jasabella> what is the minimal set of packages that i need to be able to use SSH X11 forwarding on a server? (i.e. i connect to the server with ssh -X, and can run xeyes successfully)
• 2801[19:44:39] <somiaj> sorry --no-install-recommends, that is what I mean.
• 2802[19:44:56] <somiaj> jasabella: ssh and xserver-xorg-core I belive.
• 2803[19:45:10] <somiaj> jasabella: that might not be completely minimial, but should be enough. The core xserver and ssh.
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• 2805[19:45:52] <missmbob> x11-apps has xeyes if you wanted that included
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• 2808[19:46:56] <Aimmy> How can I create a message with a public pgp key in the terminal? ^^ Anyone can link a tutorial for this?
• 2809[19:47:02] <somiaj> velix: you can file a wishlist bug, or recompile the package to suite your needs
• 2810[19:47:05] <somiaj> !package recompile
• 2811[19:47:05] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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• 2813[19:47:31] <velix> somiaj: I'll do both ;)
• 2814[19:47:35] <somiaj> velix: at least with a bug you'll get the matainers response on if they think these features/depends should be included in the Debian package.
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• 2825[19:50:09] <jonz3n> hey y'all, I have a question about my built in 3g modem. when I restart my Debian machine it works perfectly I am asked for the pin to the sim card and Im online in just a few clicks. My problem is whenever my laptop goes to sleep and I wake it up the wwan0 modem can no longer connect and the only way to fix that is to reboot my machine. My questions is where do I have to look in order to troubleshoot this?
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• 2828[19:51:50] <jasabelle> kernel ring buffer and/or logs?
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• 2832[19:52:47] <cokehead> Hello
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• 2835[19:53:16] <cokehead> f10, thats a REALLLY long host name
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• 2837[19:53:27] <cokehead> how do you get that? they told me no vanity cloaks
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• 2840[19:55:10] <velix> somiaj: thanks for your help
• 2841[19:55:44] <jasabelle> cokehead... it's a ipv6 address :P
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• 2843[19:56:11] <cokehead> oh.....
• 2844[19:56:20] <cokehead> you mean IPv666
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• 2846[19:56:30] <cokehead> the internet of satan
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• 2848[19:56:37] <somiaj> cokehead: do you have an actual debian support question, or here to just cause noise...I'm assuiming noise
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• 2851[19:57:15] <cokehead> somiaj: I want to know how to get debian
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• 2853[19:57:28] <cokehead> my internet is a 56K modem and I need a disc instead
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• 2856[19:58:00] <somiaj> cokehead: debian.org has some options, if you don't want to wait to download the full cd1 or dvd1, I think there are some places listed that will send you a copy of the discs for a small fee
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• 2859[19:58:23] <cokehead> o.k.
• 2860[19:59:28] <jonz3n> jasabell: where do i find the kernel ring buffer
• 2861[19:59:47] <st2> hello. sorry for my poor English. I have to install Debian squeeze on a server with intel s1200spl mainboard via ipmi. but I've got 'cdrom not detected' issue. could you please tell me where I can found a suitable module to detect virtual cdrom?
• 2862[19:59:59] <jonz3n> which logs?
• 2863[20:00:51] <cokehead>
• 2864[20:00:52] <cokehead>
• 2865[20:00:52] <cokehead>
• 2866[20:00:58] <cokehead> Coke!
• 2867[20:01:02] <somiaj> st2: why are you installing squeeze (it is outdated and no longer supported?)
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• 2869[20:01:07] <somiaj> cokehead: keep the noise down please.
• 2870[20:01:16] <jasabelle> jonz3n... dmesg (you'll need root)
• 2871[20:01:22] <cokehead> somiaj: are you the King?
• 2872[20:01:24] <somiaj> st2: also how did you create the install meidum (usb I'm assuming) from the squeeze iamge you have?
• 2873[20:01:31] <cokehead> All hail somiaj
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• 2883[20:03:42] <st2> somiaj it's nessesary for my VoIP software. i would be happy just install whezzy(
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• 2885[20:04:08] <st2> somiaj, i just redirect iso-image by ipmi console
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• 2887[20:04:56] <somiaj> st2: that could be the issue, the hybrid isos dont' always work when trying to make them bootable via some other means.
• 2888[20:05:07] <somiaj> st2: I'm not familar with what you are doing, so no real advise
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• 2895[20:07:44] <jonz3n> ok jasabelle that is going to be a thick read... not sure what I am looking for but its a start and which log would you recommend I watch/read
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• 2900[20:09:14] <st2> somiaj: I'm already booted from this iso and ran installer, but after choosing language installer can not find cdrom to proceed. so you mean if i'll create usb-image it might be more successful?
• 2901[20:09:25] <jasabelle> the number on the left is seconds since boot, you want the time when your system woke up
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• 2903[20:10:12] <jasabelle> or you can just tail -f /var/log/messages i suppose
• 2904[20:10:38] <somiaj> st2: this is a common issue that happens when people use things lke unetbootin to make the image over copying the image directly to the a usb or cdrom via cp or a iso burner
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• 2906[20:10:56] <jasabelle> you're looking for messages related either to the driver of your modem or from the kernel about your modem
• 2907[20:11:13] <somiaj> st2: I am not familar with how you are trying to boot, but I would follow the install guides, cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the usb device, note this isn't sdX1
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• 2909[20:11:46] <jasabelle> fwiw GRUB can boot from iso files
• 2910[20:12:12] <jasabelle> bit tricky getting it right htough
• 2911[20:12:37] <somiaj> the issue here isn't booting, but the installer being able to find the 'cdrom' once it has booted. Debian .iso due to their hybrid nature can be finiky when trying to boot them in non-recommended ways
• 2912[20:13:34] <jasabelle> ahhh misread what they said
• 2913[20:14:26] <jasabelle> is cp recommended over dd? :)
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• 2916[20:15:08] <somiaj> jasabelle: they are both fine, but cp has nicer defaults than dd and will work best in most situations.
• 2917[20:15:42] <somiaj> (unless one really knows what they are doing and wants to small edge dd can give if configured correctly) -- at least that is my understanding on the difference here
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• 2920[20:16:17] <Heston> wonder if you need to sync after if you're using cp
• 2921[20:16:45] <missmbob> yes
• 2922[20:16:56] <Heston> but I use dd with oflag=direct and bs=4M
• 2923[20:17:44] <Heston> leaving out the sync, which most guides do could leave it broken. Though i've never run into that
• 2924[20:18:19] <somiaj> didn't consider that, though unsure if there is a difference copying directly to a device node over say a normal file in the file system.
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• 2929[20:20:16] <Heston> missmbob, is it possible to that a hash of the newly written partition could pass without being synced? So the read for the hash is partially pulled from a buffer when technically it still hasnt been completely written to disk
• 2930[20:20:22] <jonz3n> jassabelle thank you for the info I will start there and hopefully get somewhere
• 2931[20:20:29] <Heston> -to
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• 2940[20:25:01] <dumbl3d0re> I'm using a window manager (Awesome) and want to be able to switch between two different keyboard layouts. I've changed the `/etc/default/keyboard` file by using the `localectl` command. After rebooting I can switch from layout1 --> layout2, but not the other way.
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• 2942[20:25:26] <dumbl3d0re> The keyboard shortcut is `grp:alt_space_toggle`.
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• 2950[20:30:46] <zykotick9> dumbl3d0re: <just a hint> i seem to remember "switches" being tricky with awesome, i feel like i only had one working... you might want to check with some awesome support channel? if one exists? best of luck.
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• 2971[20:39:04] <velix> somiaj: Maintainers answered, but the last sentence is important: "Note that it will be too late
• 2972[20:39:04] <velix> for inclusion in Debian stretch." :))
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• 2974[20:39:19] <velix> somiaj: So, let's wait 5 more years. Go Debian, Go!
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• 2976[20:39:45] <xope> hi
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• 2981[20:41:00] <xope> im trying to configure iptables with the wiki here: replaced-url
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• 2983[20:41:43] <xope> for example iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 22 -j ACCEPT, iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
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• 2985[20:42:15] <xope> but the wiki page is really up to date and I dont know whats wrong with the line
• 2986[20:42:22] <grawity> there is nothing wrong with the line
• 2987[20:42:26] <grawity> only with your system
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• 2991[20:42:43] <velix> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 2996[20:44:26] <xope> @grawity, what do you think is wrong?
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• 3003[20:48:55] <Hailwood> Hey folks, I'm running a docker machine built from the php:5.6-apache which is based on debian Jessie. However during an apt-get update I'm getting "Err replaced-url
• 3004[20:48:57] <Hailwood> with the update?
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• 3045[21:05:12] <somiaj> Hailwood: run apt-get update
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• 3048[21:07:05] <somiaj> velix: replaced-url
• 3049[21:07:07] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3052[21:07:49] <velix> somiaj: I'm just playing with sbuild :)
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• 3062[21:14:06] <ompaul> judd v postgres
• 3063[21:14:07] <judd> No package named 'postgres' was found in amd64.
• 3064[21:14:11] <ompaul> judd v postgresql
• 3065[21:14:12] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy5; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u2; stretch: 9.6+177; jessie-backports: 9.6+178~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.6+178; sid: 9.6+178
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• 3067[21:14:47] <ompaul> velix: those are the vversion numbers you might look at
• 3068[21:15:03] <dumbl3d0re> zykotick9: Thanks for the tip!
• 3069[21:15:13] <velix> ompaul: hm?
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• 3071[21:15:45] <zykotick9> dumbl3d0re: you got it working i assume. nice. you are welcome.
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• 3073[21:16:03] <ompaul> velix: debian isn't running that 9.5 anymore
• 3074[21:16:10] <ompaul> maybe the bug has gone away
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• 3076[21:16:24] <velix> ompaul: nope, same for jessie and newer.
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• 3078[21:16:38] <velix> ompaul: and it doesn't have to do with postgresql, but with postgis :)
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• 3082[21:18:05] <ompaul> velix: postgresql-9.6-postgis-2.3 - Geographic objects support for PostgreSQL 9.6
• 3083[21:18:37] <ompaul> those version numbers may have something to do with it - I'm showing the overall spread of postgresql version numbers
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• 3085[21:18:52] <ompaul> which are then tied to the postgresql numbers
• 3086[21:19:08] <ompaul> the bug marked won't fix may have been fixed in 2.5
• 3087[21:19:10] <ompaul> woops
• 3088[21:19:12] <ompaul> the bug marked won't fix may have been fixed in 2.3
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• 3092[21:19:42] <ompaul> yay I tried an alternative fact but then overwrote it in 4 seconds I didn't like it. :-)
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• 3107[21:27:31] <dumbl3d0re> zykotick9: nah, but asked in #awesome.
• 3108[21:28:10] * missmbob slaps ompaul
• 3109[21:28:28] <dumbl3d0re> Got some weird problems that I probably need to post on Reddit and/or in the mailing lists.
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• 3111[21:28:51] <dumbl3d0re> But I'm to lazy to write some longs posts/mails.
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• 3113[21:29:48] <ihato__> hello.
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• 3135[21:41:21] <velix> Should I use mk-sbuild for creating sbuild?
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• 3137[21:41:34] <velix> there's also sbuild-createchroot
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• 3142[21:45:17] <GreenJim> hi everybody
• 3143[21:45:21] <GreenJim> I got a problem
• 3144[21:45:37] <GreenJim> yesterday, I dist-upgrade my Strech/sid
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• 3146[21:46:06] <GreenJim> and the dist-upgrade removed the package mariadb-server-10.0
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• 3148[21:46:31] <n4dir> stretch or sid or a mixed stretch/sid system?
• 3149[21:46:31] <GreenJim> I use it because dolibarr uses mariadb as backend
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• 3151[21:47:02] <GreenJim> I think it comes because there are no dependecies to keep mariadb-server
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• 3153[21:47:42] <GreenJim> the dependecy was coming, I think, from the php5-mysql
• 3154[21:48:02] <GreenJim> this was replaced by php7-mysql
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• 3158[21:48:39] <GreenJim> but there is no dependency in php7-mysql to any mysql server package
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• 3163[21:48:55] <GreenJim> so, my question: how to report this ?
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• 3172[21:51:46] <awal1> GreenJim: testing/unstable ---» #debian-next
• 3173[21:52:01] <GreenJim> yes
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• 3175[21:52:07] <GreenJim> testing/sid
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• 3177[21:52:20] <GreenJim> packages mainly coming from testing
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• 3180[21:53:39] <awal1> how you dist-upgraded? do you have apt-listbugs installed?
• 3181[21:53:49] <GreenJim> yes
• 3182[21:53:51] <n4dir> i never wrote much bug reports, but my guess is that if you write one for php7-mysql you should get the info why it ain't needed or where the bug reports belongs
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• 3185[21:54:01] <GreenJim> apt-listbugs report nothing
• 3186[21:54:11] <n4dir> probably it will be even forwareded without you having to do anything, assuming it is a valid bug
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• 3190[21:55:01] <awal1> apt-get/aptitude should have advised you about unmet deps/removals; but I guess you said yes yes yes/-y ? :P
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• 3192[21:56:23] <GreenJim> I prefer <yes | apt> :-)
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• 3194[21:56:44] <awal1> in that case, don't run testing/unstable
• 3195[21:56:49] <n4dir> well: or dolibarr
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• 3198[21:57:17] <GreenJim> another strange thing : mariadb-server-core-10.0 is stil installed
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• 3201[21:58:39] <awal1> man, how you can use -y for testing/unstable and then cry here about bugs :D
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• 3203[21:58:55] <GreenJim> I was joking
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• 3207[22:00:17] <n4dir> looks like php5-mysql depends on libmysqlclient18, 7 doesn't seem to? like that? dang, this is confusing
• 3208[22:00:55] <GreenJim> I am thinking it is maybe something else
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• 3210[22:01:08] <GreenJim> mariadb updated from 10.0 to 10.1
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• 3213[22:01:48] <GreenJim> removing mariadb-server-10.0 but not mariadb-server-core-10.0
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• 3230[22:06:08] <GreenJim> OK
• 3231[22:06:19] <GreenJim> I'll report a bug for dolibarr
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• 3233[22:06:35] <GreenJim> broken after upgrading mariadb 10.0 to 10.1
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• 3235[22:06:56] <GreenJim> maintainers will dispatch it if needed
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• 3237[22:07:21] <GreenJim> as they did for the upgrade of php5 to php7
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• 3254[22:14:08] <velix> sudo reboot
• 3255[22:14:10] <velix> gnaaar
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• 3284[22:33:02] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 3286[22:33:27] <Azrael_-> if i want to upgrade from mysql to mariadb on jessie, just install mariadb and mysql will be removed or how shall i do it?
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• 3291[22:36:43] <missmbob> Azrael_-: kinda sorta. some things might be confusing. for example mariadb-common depends on mysql-common...but that's just cosmetic
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• 3298[22:38:21] <Azrael_-> missmbob: you sound quite hesitant, should i follow a different way?
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• 3300[22:39:04] <missmbob> Azrael_-: no, i did it. i was just confused when i first did it because i expected all of mysql to be gone and that's not how it is
• 3301[22:40:06] <Azrael_-> ah ok, thanks
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• 3340[23:07:18] <wholeApple> hello. I used linux mint to connect to Debian8 via ssh. It worked, when I connected to a user (although, when I typed "ifconfig" it said, it doesn't know that command, anyone?). I needed a root access, so I edited sshd_conf and changed root access to yes. I restarted the service and can't connect at all (neither root nor user). sshd status says: loaded, Active:failed. Help.
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• 3344[23:08:45] <Azrael_-> wholeApple: change the value back for now, then you can reconnect and change to root with "su"
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• 3346[23:09:06] <x032cx> am missing some codecs for imm5 video and can't find the right pkg for those codecs any ideas or hints
• 3347[23:09:19] <wholeApple> Azrael_-: that's smart, thanks. But it doesn't work?
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• 3350[23:09:53] <wholeApple> Azrael_-: *But WHY it doesn't work
• 3351[23:10:21] <missmbob> wholeApple: why doesn't ifconfig work for normal users? because it's not in the normal user's PATH in debian
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• 3353[23:11:06] <missmbob> wholeApple: plus ifconfig is deprecated anyway
• 3354[23:11:25] <wholeApple> missmbob: thanks, didn't know that. No, I was asking, why enabling root login didn't work.
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• 3356[23:11:34] <wholeApple> missmbob: so, what's trendy now?
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• 3359[23:12:06] <missmbob> wholeApple: iproute2 (ip command)
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• 3362[23:12:52] <wholeApple> missmbob: oh no... I hate it!
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• 3364[23:13:30] <wholeApple> But anyway, any ideas, why enabling root connecting messed up the whole sshd?
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• 3366[23:13:57] <missmbob> without looking at it my first guess would be a typo in your sshd_config
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• 3371[23:15:15] <wholeApple> missmbob: I swear, I've only changed port number (and it worked) and now only that line to yes. BTW, I will try what Azrael_- said, but I don't know, what was there before. Could you check that for me?
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• 3378[23:16:25] <wholeApple> "without-password" is it?
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• 3382[23:17:56] <missmbob> wholeApple: i dont understand what you mean.
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• 3385[23:18:52] <wholeApple> missmbob: in sshd_conf what was next to PermitRootLogin, but i think it was without-password.
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• 3387[23:19:06] <missmbob> PasswordAuthentication ?
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• 3404[23:26:03] <wholeApple> After service sshd status it still says loaded: loaded , Active: failed. It has PID and everything, but it doesn't work...
• 3405[23:26:18] <Azrael_-> and the logs?
• 3406[23:26:43] <wholeApple> Azrael_-: I can check. Which logs? Coudl you show me the path?
• 3407[23:26:53] <Azrael_-> /var/log ?
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• 3417[23:29:28] <wholeApple> Azrael_-: syslog says sshd line 1 bad configuration option //r//////// and then line 27 wrong time value, or something.
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• 3420[23:29:50] <missmbob> again, without looking at it, it's impossible for us to help
• 3421[23:29:54] <missmbob> pastebin your config
• 3422[23:29:59] <Azrael_-> and the logs
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• 3426[23:31:00] <wholeApple> Can I somewhere download the original sshd_conf file?
• 3427[23:32:52] <missmbob> you do realize it's sshd_config, right? you've called it sshd_conf so many times
• 3428[23:33:29] <wholeApple> missmbob: yes, sorry that computer is in another room, it's usually conf in what I do.
• 3429[23:33:55] <missmbob> anyway, look at /usr/share/openssh/sshd_config
• 3430[23:34:12] <wholeApple> Is it like a safe copy?
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• 3432[23:35:40] <missmbob> if i understand what you mean, yes.
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• 3434[23:39:11] <riot> is nvidia on debian currently broken?
• 3435[23:39:28] <missmbob> are you using stretch?
• 3436[23:39:36] <riot> yes.
• 3437[23:39:41] <missmbob> probably
• 3438[23:39:45] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 3439[23:39:46] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3440[23:40:32] <riot> *sigh* it is very hard to get at a working and up to date operating system these days.
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• 3455[23:45:27] <wholeApple> Thank you guys! It all works now (or for now;). Cheers!!
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• 3457[23:47:28] <wholeApple> missmbob: BTW, that "safe copy" isn't exactly there. I type locate and found it. Maybe they changed it. But thank you!
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• 3475[23:57:21] <wholeApple> One last thing is there anything on linux like restoration point on windows?
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• 3478[23:58:03] <Heston> wholeapple, well there's LVM snapshots
• 3479[23:58:50] <wholeApple> Heston: thanks, I'll check that. Does it work like it works on windows?
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• 3483[23:59:45] <Heston> wholeApple, it doesn't no. It's an abstraction over your physical hard drive though there might be a program that can offer something similar
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