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• 4[00:02:01] <Kryczek> Hi! I can't seem to get pattern matching in /etc/network/interfaces to work; I see "Ensure allow-* also allows pattern matching" was added in ifupdown 0.8.21 but I do have a newer one (0.8.35) and I am completely stuck; would anybody be so kind to please help? :)
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• 13[00:11:44] <petn-randall> Kryczek: It would help if you explain what you tried, and what "didn't work".
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• 25[00:20:28] <Kryczek> petn-randall: Hi! Thank you for the reply :) I tried doing just like /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/pattern-matching and the "PATTERN MATCHING INTERFACES" section of `man interfaces`, for example "allow-hotplug /en*/=foo" (or with "auto" instead of "allow-hotplug") followed by "iface foo inet dhcp" and even "iface foo inet6 auto" but apart from "lo" (which is not pattern-matched) no interface ever gets
• 26[00:20:34] <Kryczek> brought up
• 27[00:21:33] <NappyPappy> nice , I started using linux redhat in 1997 then in 1999 I installed Debian slink. Now I am using again. It is slower than slackware but still good
• 28[00:21:57] <Kryczek> I also tried matching wireless interfaces with "allow-hotplug /wl*/=bar" or "auto wireless/*/1=baz" but still no luck
• 29[00:22:08] <NappyPappy> I tried installing arch linux and a slackware-current before debian stretch but I had to abort those missions
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• 33[00:23:52] <Kryczek> I added a logging script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ and I see that it gets called only for IFACE=lo and IFACE=--all
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• 36[00:25:10] <Kryczek> Is it possible that systemd is hijacking /etc/network/interfaces away from ifupdown, and supporting only basic syntax?
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• 40[00:27:20] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Try showing the exact things you tested instead of examples, it makes it easier to debug. If you don't have a logical interfaces section wifor "foo" then nothing will happen.
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• 44[00:27:54] <Kryczek> petn-randall: I called it literally "foo" :)
• 45[00:28:19] <Kryczek> I tried various names in case their was some kind of name clash or recursive pattern matching
• 46[00:29:18] <Kryczek> If I try to manually `ifup enp0s3` or whatever interface, ifup always says "unknown interface", but then again I don't know if ifup'ing a specific interface is supposed to work when /etc/network/interfaces only contains patterns (besides lo)
• 47[00:29:38] <Kryczek> if I add a section for enp0s3 then it works, of course, but I lose the whole point of pattern matching
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• 52[00:32:42] <petn-randall> Kryczek: systemd neither [4~ knows nor does anything with your network configuration.
• 53[00:32:55] <petn-randall> Kryczek: you're still describing the file, instead of showing it.
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• 63[00:35:54] <imzadi> does squeeze precede stretch?
• 64[00:36:02] <Kryczek> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 65[00:36:36] <petn-randall> imzadi: By several releases, yes.
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• 67[00:37:07] <Kryczek> imzadi: Debian 6 (squeeze), 7 (wheezy), 8 (jessie), 9 (stretch), 10 (buster)
• 68[00:37:26] <imzadi> is it not practible to install an fdroid server on squeeze?
• 69[00:37:44] <petn-randall> imzadi: Try asking a concrete question.
• 70[00:38:48] <imzadi> well the instructions talk of having stretch or higher
• 71[00:39:02] <imzadi> and then there is mention of older using wheezy
• 72[00:39:12] <imzadi> but wheezy is debian 4 isnt it
• 73[00:39:13] <petn-randall> !squeeze
• 74[00:39:13] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06: replaced-url
• 75[00:39:36] <imzadi> !wheezy
• 76[00:39:36] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
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• 79[00:40:19] <petn-randall> imzadi: Given that squeeze is not supported anymore, why not use a supported Debian release?
• 80[00:40:33] <imzadi> yeah petn-randall it looks like it isnt going to work on this system
• 81[00:40:35] <petn-randall> Kryczek: So what happens if you run `ifup -v wlan0`?
• 82[00:40:45] <petn-randall> imzadi: Define "doesn't work".
• 83[00:40:55] <imzadi> it isnt really that old
• 84[00:41:02] <petn-randall> Eh?
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• 87[00:41:21] <NappyPappy> Kryczek: systemd highjacked my wifi interface while I was trying to install arch linux so I grabbed debian stretch fully knowing it had systemd but knowing debian developers are not stupid like arch. All because slackware-current freezes on me after install.
• 88[00:41:27] <imzadi> doesnt work , when something runs and fails to do anything it was written to do
• 89[00:41:39] <imzadi> why do you ask for precise defines
• 90[00:41:50] <petn-randall> NappyPappy: Do you have a support question
• 91[00:42:03] <petn-randall> imzadi: *What* doesn't work when installing a supported OS?
• 92[00:42:33] <imzadi> knoppix is apparently written by some german hacker using the name Klause Knopper
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• 94[00:43:05] <Kryczek> petn-randall: it says "unknown interface" (and the verbosity does not add anything to it)
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• 97[00:43:52] <Kryczek> petn-randall: however, interestingly if I run `ifup --all` then the wifi interface gets activated, I guess because it is the only kind with "auto" (wired has "allow-hotplug")
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• 99[00:44:36] <Kryczek> petn-randall: then again that same interface was not activated at boot, in other words the first `ifup --all` was ran too early
• 100[00:44:49] <imzadi> it looks like it is hacked together and goes against intended constraints
• 101[00:45:21] <imzadi> the session is about installing fdroid server
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• 103[00:45:49] <imzadi> the site has a howto written for stretch and above and it basicly says use apt-get
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• 105[00:46:47] <imzadi> which is the quickest download for installing stretch or higher, keep in mind the netinstallers dont seem to have any drivers but ethernet
• 106[00:47:07] <petn-randall> imzadi: How is this related to Debian though?
• 107[00:47:08] <imzadi> because of that the netinstallers are not an option
• 108[00:47:08] <petn-randall> !knoppix
• 109[00:47:09] <dpkg> Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. replaced-url
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• 112[00:47:44] <imzadi> petn-randall: read the question about debian
• 113[00:48:05] <imzadi> what is the quickest download for installing debian which supports fdroid server
• 114[00:48:19] <petn-randall> imzadi: If you can't install stretch because of the drivers, just say so.
• 115[00:48:24] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
• 116[00:48:24] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
• 117[00:48:26] <imzadi> do you sell cd sets petn-randall
• 118[00:48:31] <petn-randall> imzadi: no
• 119[00:49:07] <imzadi> osdisk has a copy past description of a 14 dvd set
• 120[00:49:10] <petn-randall> imzadi: You can use the above factoid to install stretch, even if you require non-free firmware to during installation.
• 121[00:49:30] <petn-randall> imzadi: How is that related to your issue though?
• 122[00:50:25] <imzadi> it isnt so much firmware this time petn-randall does the installer have an rndis module
• 123[00:50:28] <petn-randall> imzadi: You don't need all disks for installation, if that's your question.
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• 127[00:51:16] <imzadi> all discs can be used for a build system that doesnt snake in garbage from apt repos
• 128[00:51:31] <petn-randall> imzadi: You're making less and less sense. Are you a bot?
• 129[00:51:34] <imzadi> this is useful for installing any software
• 130[00:51:39] <petn-randall> Markov chains?
• 131[00:51:42] <imzadi> in this case fdroid server
• 132[00:52:07] <imzadi> the howto shows it needing three or four packages but these packages may have any number of deps
• 133[00:52:21] <petn-randall> imzadi: Why not use the apt repos then?
• 134[00:52:25] <Kryczek> petn-randall: maybe I need to configure udev to launch ifup, somehow? :)
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• 136[00:52:35] <imzadi> if I have all discs it can all be done without snaking in sourcless packages from apt
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• 139[00:52:53] <petn-randall> Kryczek: You shouldn't, allow-hotplug should only work on hotplug, though.
• 140[00:53:03] <Nozzzle> when is debian 10 coming?
• 141[00:53:05] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Does a wifi interfaces called wlan0 exist on your system?
• 142[00:53:06] <imzadi> dependency injection of garbage
• 143[00:53:10] <petn-randall> Nozzzle: when it's ready.
• 144[00:53:20] <petn-randall> imzadi: Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.
• 145[00:53:25] <Nozzzle> any date set?
• 146[00:53:34] <petn-randall> Nozzzle: when it's ready.
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• 148[00:53:48] <imzadi> listen closely and ask for clarification if needed, that is if you want to be useful
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• 150[00:53:53] <petn-randall> !wwbr
• 151[00:53:53] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. replaced-url
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• 156[00:54:31] <petn-randall> imzadi: I'd rather not.
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• 158[00:54:48] <Nozzzle> ah, thank you
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• 161[00:56:10] <Kryczek> petn-randall: it actually has a super long name like wlx0123456789af but I figured sticking to wlan0 was better for clarity :) it works if I specify that name, but the interface is not brought up before I do that or `ifup --all`
• 162[00:56:40] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Ah, so what happens if you run `ifup -v wlx0123456789af`?
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• 164[00:57:15] <Kryczek> petn-randall: 23:43 < Kryczek> petn-randall: it says "unknown interface" (and the verbosity does not add anything to it)
• 165[00:57:33] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Ah, so that was the correct interface name, not "wlan0".
• 166[00:57:37] <Kryczek> petn-randall: I just s/wlx0123456789af/wlan0 in our conversation :)
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• 169[00:58:21] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Ah, that was why I was confused. Maybe it only pattern matches digits. ifup predates the change to unique interface names.
• 170[00:58:23] <Kryczek> petn-randall: what do you mean by "allow-hotplug should only work on hotplug, though" ?
• 171[00:58:42] <Kryczek> ah, good point
• 172[00:58:45] <petn-randall> Gotta head to bed, have a good one!
• 173[00:58:52] <puhdabear> Hello
• 174[00:59:03] <puhdabear> Hello
• 175[00:59:07] <Kryczek> petn-randall: actually no I already tried with tap[0..9] interfaces, without luck heh
• 176[00:59:18] <Kryczek> petn-randall: good night
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• 178[00:59:36] <mawk> can you state your tap problem again Kryczek ?
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• 180[01:00:22] <Kryczek> mawk: Hi! Sure :) Just a sec...
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• 182[01:00:37] <mawk> hi sorry
• 183[01:01:17] <Kryczek> mawk: I am trying to configure interfaces without knowing their full name in advance, by using the pattern matching feature in /etc/network/interfaces like so: replaced-url
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• 186[01:02:02] <mawk> ah right
• 187[01:02:07] <Kryczek> with the new naming scheme (as far as I know) wired interfaces are supposed to get names starting with "en" and wifi interfaces start with "wl" (and wwan interfaces with "ww")
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• 192[01:04:06] <Kryczek> I think my problem might be that `ifup --all` is executed only once and very early during boot (by systemd's ifupdown-pre.service helper I think?) but never after that
• 193[01:04:17] <mawk> yes
• 194[01:04:23] <Kryczek> well, not necessarily with "--all", I mean any kind of ifup does not happen later
• 195[01:04:26] <mawk> but normally allow-hotplug interfaces are brought up when detected by udev
• 196[01:04:31] <mawk> that's the purpose of the keyword
• 197[01:04:39] <Kryczek> that's what I thought :)
• 198[01:04:47] <Kryczek> maybe I am missing a package or something?
• 199[01:05:21] <Kryczek> how can I debug that udev correctly detected them and/or tried to launch ifup ?
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• 203[01:06:31] <mawk> you can drop in a script at /usr/local/bin/ifup that will log every ifup call
• 204[01:06:37] <mawk> and see how udev is calling it
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• 206[01:07:37] <mawk> #!/bin/bash <newline> { printf '%s' "$@"; printf '\n'; } >> /tmp/ifup.log; exec /sbin/ifup "$@"
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• 208[01:07:38] <mawk> something like this
• 209[01:08:16] <Kryczek> mawk: already did ;) I see it called twice at boot, once for --all and once for lo
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• 211[01:08:57] <mawk> nice
• 212[01:09:02] <mawk> well so the fault is on udev for now
• 213[01:09:10] <Kryczek> I think so indeed
• 214[01:09:33] <mawk> /etc/network/interfaces is clunky and a debianism and I would totally see systemd not making much efforts in making it work
• 215[01:09:40] <mawk> especially since they seem eager to cannibalize udev related stuff
• 216[01:09:47] <mawk> and have their own network thing
• 217[01:09:49] <Kryczek> if I run `ifup --allow hotplug --all` then my /etc/network/interfaces as you can see on the pastebin, fully works
• 218[01:09:56] <mawk> so you could be missing some hooks
• 219[01:09:57] <mawk> yeah
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• 222[01:12:28] <mawk> so, udev hooks
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• 225[01:12:40] <mawk> let's see how they work
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• 228[01:14:16] <Kryczek> :)
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• 232[01:16:59] <mawk> so first we should raise the udev log level to see more clearly what happens
• 233[01:17:13] <mawk> I don't know which version of debian you have, I assume you have systemd
• 234[01:17:20] <mawk> and so you have systemd-udevd
• 235[01:17:44] <mawk> it has a configuration file at /etc/udev/udev.conf in which you can raise a log level
• 236[01:17:53] <mawk> you add udev_log=debug
• 237[01:18:29] <Kryczek> thanks, trying now...
• 238[01:18:35] <mawk> next you do systemctl reload-or-restart systemd-udevd.service
• 239[01:18:39] <mawk> to acknowledge the change
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• 241[01:19:18] <Kryczek> ii systemd 241-3 i386 system and service manager
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• 243[01:19:25] <mawk> yeah it's installed
• 244[01:19:30] <Kryczek> ii udev 241-3 i386 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon
• 245[01:19:35] <Kryczek> does it mean I have the wrong udev?
• 246[01:19:54] <mawk> no you've got even a newer system that me
• 247[01:20:00] <mawk> I'm at systemd 238
• 248[01:20:02] <Kryczek> hehe thanks :)
• 249[01:20:09] <mawk> (linear version numbers are dumb, you have no stable version ever that way)
• 250[01:20:49] <Kryczek> be careful that pattern matching was added to ifupdown fairly recently, check if you have a PATTERN MATCHING INTERFACES section in `man interfaces` for example if you want to make sure
• 251[01:20:57] <mawk> yeah I checked
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• 253[01:21:09] <mawk> I'm on debian testing, just haven't upgraded since a long time
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• 255[01:21:18] <mawk> because I'm lazy
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• 259[01:26:11] <mawk> do you have any result ?
• 260[01:26:23] <mawk> should be in journalctl -u systemd-udevd
• 261[01:26:38] <mawk> just open this in a tab: journalctl -u systemd-udevd --follow
• 262[01:26:41] <mawk> then plug your adapter
• 263[01:26:56] <Kryczek> not yet, slow computer heh :)
• 264[01:27:05] <mawk> yeah
• 265[01:27:17] <mawk> we have a saying in french, shoemakers have the worst shoes
• 266[01:27:33] <mawk> I'm a software engineer with a lame computer
• 267[01:27:38] <Kryczek> so true
• 268[01:27:40] <Kryczek> same
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• 270[01:28:45] <Kryczek> ok, I'm in
• 271[01:29:28] <Kryczek> many many lines saying "Maximum number (10) of children reached"
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• 274[01:31:18] <Kryczek> at least one interesting part: "ifupdown-hotplug (err)" about ifquery saying unknown interface enp0s9
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• 276[01:31:31] <Kryczek> (which is an existing interface name)
• 277[01:31:58] <mawk> hmm
• 278[01:32:31] <mawk> hook ifupdown-hotplug with your logging
• 279[01:32:33] <mawk> it's in /lib/udev/ifupdown-hotplug
• 280[01:32:49] <mawk> it's what is run by udev
• 281[01:32:57] <mawk> the rule is located in /lib/udev/rules.d/80-ifupdown.rules it's very simple
• 282[01:33:46] <Kryczek> hehe great minds think alike, that's what I alt-tab'ed to come back here :)
• 283[01:33:55] <mawk> lol
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• 285[01:33:59] <Kryczek> the ifquery error happens for all 3 of the existing interfaces
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• 288[01:36:31] <mawk> ok so after the hotplug event the helper script will verify that the interface is allowed for hotplug
• 289[01:36:34] <mawk> TARGET_IFACE=$(/sbin/ifquery --allow hotplug -l "$INTERFACE" || true)
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• 291[01:36:45] <mawk> then it will invoke ifup, but through systemd: exec systemctl --no-block start $(systemd-escape --template ifup@.service $TARGET_IFACE)
• 292[01:37:03] <mawk> you said ifquery is failing
• 293[01:37:08] <mawk> so that's the culprit now
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• 308[01:44:00] <Kryczek> mawk: maybe it is expected behavior of ifquery without the --allow=hotplug flag?
• 309[01:44:26] <mawk> but it has allow hotplug
• 310[01:44:35] <Kryczek> ph
• 311[01:44:37] <mawk> /sbin/ifquery --allow hotplug -l "$INTERFACE"
• 312[01:44:39] <Kryczek> oh*
• 313[01:44:42] <Kryczek> good point
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• 317[01:49:50] <Kryczek> ah I made a mistake in my logger, sorry
• 318[01:49:57] <Kryczek> have to try again...
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• 321[01:52:27] <mawk> the thing of interest is $INTERFACE
• 322[01:52:32] <mawk> then run manually ifquery
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• 329[01:57:33] <Kryczek> hmmm... now the boot process is stuck on "Raise network interfaces", maybe I did something wrong
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• 331[01:58:10] <Kryczek> ah it completed, I have good logs now, let's see...
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• 334[02:00:05] <Kryczek> all my interfaces are up o_O
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• 342[02:04:56] <Kryczek> ah sorry I had changed the "allow-hotplug" of en* interfaces to "auto" as a test
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• 345[02:07:51] <JohnDoe2> any idea why this might be failing? replaced-url
• 346[02:08:09] <JohnDoe2> wlan0 is DOWN on restart
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• 350[02:10:05] <dvs> why is it in a cron job?
• 351[02:10:24] <JohnDoe2> where should it be?
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• 354[02:10:56] <JohnDoe2> /etc/network/interfaces entry fails to start dhclient for wlan0 so it holds up boot time until it gives up in trying to get a dhcp address
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• 357[02:18:56] * JohnDoe2 taps dvs
• 358[02:19:58] <dvs> I wait for my interface to come up so it's no big deal to me.
• 359[02:20:17] <JohnDoe2> cool
• 360[02:20:29] <JohnDoe2> I'm glad it works for you :)
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• 364[02:22:35] <JohnDoe2> well that was very helpful
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• 370[02:30:29] <jmcnaught> maybe there's something wrong with your /etc/network/interfaces that someone will notice if you put it into a paste
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• 373[02:33:05] <JohnDoe2> replaced-url
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• 375[02:33:11] <JohnDoe2> I have no eth0
• 376[02:33:17] <JohnDoe2> there's also lo but that's not pertinent
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• 378[02:35:32] <dvs> What does "ip link" say?
• 379[02:35:45] <JohnDoe2> dormant
• 380[02:36:00] <JohnDoe2> I see its mac addr but that's it
• 381[02:36:22] <JohnDoe2> on boot it's DOWN only, not dormant but since I poked around trying to figure it out...
• 382[02:36:50] <JohnDoe2> if I manually run the two commands I put in crontab the interface gets an IP
• 383[02:37:57] <karlpinc> JohnDoe2: Usually the problem with crontabs is in $PATH. But you should really try to figure out what the real problem is. (And, let cron email you, at least locally, so that you can debug it.)
• 384[02:38:41] <dvs> How about changing "auto" to "allow-hotplug" in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 385[02:38:49] <JohnDoe2> oh ok, so full path to executable :D my bad. thanks
• 386[02:38:55] <JohnDoe2> dvs I'll reboot and let you know
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• 388[02:40:17] <mawk> did you have a chance of seeing the value of $INTERFACE in the udev helper Kryczek ?
• 389[02:41:31] <JohnDoe2> dvs well I'll be. That worked!
• 390[02:41:50] <dvs> ha!
• 391[02:42:38] <JohnDoe2> awesome, thanks a bunch
• 392[02:42:54] <dvs> at least it wasn't for nuthin!
• 393[02:43:54] <JohnDoe2> heck after googling my brains out for 2 days to get this c201 to boot and have network getting this resolved in 1 hour is freaking amazing :)
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• 398[02:46:40] <rafuch0> hello i need to install gcc-5 but i cant find the package in strech or sid or testing
• 399[02:47:10] <rafuch0> any idea how can i solve this
• 400[02:47:12] <rafuch0> ?
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• 407[02:50:44] <mawk> why do you need such an old thing rafuch0 ?
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• 409[02:50:53] <mawk> gcc versions are pretty much backwards compatible
• 410[02:51:00] <mawk> except for broken codfe
• 411[02:51:01] <mawk> -f
• 412[02:52:09] <rafuch0> mawk: i want to compile ccminer and i just compile it on my laptop using gcc-5 no problems but whit gcc-6 is failing whit a error of LDD final link
• 413[02:52:29] <mawk> can you show the error ?
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• 417[02:53:15] <rafuch0> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output
• 418[02:53:17] <rafuch0> that one
• 419[02:53:22] <rafuch0> mawk:
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• 421[02:53:56] <mawk> hmm
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• 423[02:54:27] <mawk> 32 bit computer ?
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• 426[02:55:05] <rafuch0> no
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• 428[02:55:30] <mawk> good
• 429[02:55:32] <mawk> let me try to build to see
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• 432[02:55:35] <Kryczek> mawk: sorry I am falling asleep on my keyboard heh; I'll give it one last try and continue tomorrow :)
• 433[02:55:40] <mawk> I have gcc 7
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• 435[02:57:32] <mawk> so you're using branch 2.3.1-tpruvot right rafuch0
• 436[02:58:08] <rafuch0> mawk: yes sir
• 437[02:58:10] <rafuch0> that one
• 438[02:58:43] <rafuch0> i also add this lines on the Makefile
• 439[02:59:04] <rafuch0> NVCC = nvcc -ccbin clang-3.8
• 440[02:59:04] <rafuch0> Boost_SYSTEM_LIBRARY_RELEASE:FILEPATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_system.so
• 441[02:59:04] <rafuch0> CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS:STRING= -fPIC
• 442[02:59:04] <rafuch0> CMAKE_C_FLAGS:STRING= -fPIC
• 443[02:59:51] <mawk> uh
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• 445[03:00:02] <mawk> the ld error you have is typical of messing with -fPIC
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• 447[03:00:06] <rafuch0> now i just read that if i modify etc/dmd.conf and i add -fPIC switch
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• 449[03:00:26] <mawk> dmd ? it's a D program ?
• 450[03:00:39] <mawk> dmd is the D compiler
• 451[03:00:57] <incal> hello, how can I find out from what version (e.g. testing) a pack is from? I know of 'aptitude show' but it doesn't say what I can see (?)
• 452[03:01:01] <mawk> it's 3am here Kryczek
• 453[03:01:07] <mawk> dpkg -l maybe incal
• 454[03:01:07] <dpkg> ii maybe incal 2.5-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
• 455[03:01:11] <mawk> :(
• 456[03:01:25] <mawk> dpkg -l zzzzzz zzzzzzzz
• 457[03:01:25] <dpkg> ii zzzzzz zzzzzzzz 1.1-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
• 458[03:02:00] <rafuch0> i really dont know what is dmd .... first time i hear about that compiler
• 459[03:02:23] <mawk> yeah so just ignore the dmd business it's not for you
• 460[03:02:28] <mawk> it's for the D programming language
• 461[03:02:41] <mawk> so the ld error you have is typical of messing with PIC as I said
• 462[03:02:45] <mawk> why do you want -fPIC ?
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• 465[03:03:06] <mawk> also what's that clang business ? I thought you were building with gcc ?
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• 467[03:03:47] <Kryczek> mawk: ifupdown-hotplug gets called with the various en* interfaces, but they do not get configured...
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• 469[03:05:28] <Kryczek> mawk: `ifquery --allow hotplug -l enp0s3` shows "ifquery: unknown interface enp0s3" (but en* are declared as hotplug)
• 470[03:05:56] <rafuch0> mawk: i think is related to the use of that libboost lib and boost the graphic card performance
• 471[03:06:34] <mawk> and when you do ip link you see the interface with the precise name Kryczek ?
• 472[03:06:39] <mawk> enp0s3 ?
• 473[03:06:43] <mawk> it's not enxffffffffffff as you said ?
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• 475[03:06:54] <Kryczek> yes
• 476[03:06:59] <mawk> -fPIC isn't about performance rafuch0 if you don't know what it is don't use it
• 477[03:07:05] <Kryczek> it is enp0s3, enp0s8 and enp0s9
• 478[03:07:12] <Kryczek> only the wifi interface was getting a wlx1234...
• 479[03:07:20] <Kryczek> I'll try to pastebin the full log
• 480[03:07:21] <rafuch0> now i am compiling it whitout those options
• 481[03:07:21] <mawk> so maybe you don't need the rename thing after all ?
• 482[03:07:30] <Kryczek> what rename thing?
• 483[03:08:11] <mawk> the = in pattern matching
• 484[03:08:15] <mawk> it doesn't rename the interface ?
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• 487[03:11:41] <Kryczek> mawk: replaced-url
• 488[03:12:23] <rafuch0> mawk: still compiling ....
• 489[03:12:36] <Kryczek> mawk: no no, the = in the pattern matching creates a mapping so that you can configure the whole family of en* as an imaginary interface called "foo" for example
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• 492[03:13:39] <mawk> ah I see
• 493[03:13:43] <mawk> so it's not like the rename directive
• 494[03:14:10] <mawk> so try to do ifquery by hand and adjusting your interfaces file until it matches
• 495[03:14:19] <mawk> you do /sbin/ifquery --allow hotplug
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• 497[03:14:24] <mawk> let me test
• 498[03:14:51] <Kryczek> mawk: ifupdown-hotplug is correctly called for each one of them with their name in INTERFACE= etc, I guess there is something wrong with ifquery itself
• 499[03:15:06] <Kryczek> ah ok I will try
• 500[03:15:10] <Kryczek> thank you
• 501[03:15:17] <mawk> can you show again your interfaces file ?
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• 505[03:17:04] <rafuch0> mawk: IT WORKED man !!!!
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• 510[03:17:48] <Kryczek> mawk: replaced-url
• 511[03:18:34] <mawk> good rafuch0
• 512[03:18:45] <mawk> so it works with auto but not allow-hotplug
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• 514[03:19:08] <mawk> also in the docs I see pattern matching for auto but not for allow-hotplug
• 515[03:19:12] <mawk> maybe it's not supported ? it would be sad
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• 517[03:20:19] <Kryczek> ah I think I am onto something
• 518[03:20:58] <mawk> yeah no it's compatible with allow-hotplug
• 519[03:21:00] <Kryczek> using strace I see that ifquery prints the error after failing to access a nonexistent /run/network/ifstate.enp0s9 file
• 520[03:21:06] <mawk> uh
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• 522[03:21:12] <mawk> yeah
• 523[03:21:16] <mawk> that's to verify if an interface is up or not
• 524[03:21:24] <mawk> you do ifdown between each test right ?
• 525[03:21:36] <Kryczek> if I create that file (empty or with "enp0s9" inside) then it does not say that the interface is unknown, it just exits with code 1
• 526[03:21:42] <mawk> hmm
• 527[03:21:55] <Kryczek> mawk: should I? The interface is not up, so I guess no need to ifdown? :)
• 528[03:22:11] <mawk> yeah if the state file isn't there no need
• 529[03:22:22] <Kryczek> anyway ifdown says it doesn't know the interface
• 530[03:22:37] <Kryczek> (with that one and another one that I hadn't touched yet)
• 531[03:22:49] <mawk> hmm
• 532[03:22:59] <mawk> why do you add a second / in the match ?
• 533[03:23:08] <mawk> just do allow-hotplug /en*=foo
• 534[03:23:12] <mawk> it should be enough
• 535[03:23:16] <mawk> a second / is for options
• 536[03:23:20] <mawk> and you don't have any
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• 539[03:23:51] <Kryczek> mawk: that's what I wrote at the beginning, but then I noticed that in the ifupdown doc examples they have 2 /s
• 540[03:24:06] <mawk> yeah
• 541[03:24:13] <mawk> well in the manpage there is no /
• 542[03:24:22] <mawk> and according to the grammar it's used only for options anyway
• 543[03:24:26] <Kryczek> ah but I saw a difference syntax somewhere else
• 544[03:24:30] <Kryczek> ok I will try without
• 545[03:25:14] <mawk> if you do manuall ifup --allow-hotplug $INTERFACE it works ?
• 546[03:25:32] <mawk> if yes you could just change the udev hook script
• 547[03:25:37] <mawk> skip the ifquery and call directly this
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• 549[03:27:26] <Kryczek> hehe yeah I am starting to wonder if, since I already "hacked" udev, I might as well push my if-up.d script there
• 550[03:30:08] <mawk> yes ifquery is bogus
• 551[03:30:48] <mawk> I did « allow-hotplug /xx*=x »
• 552[03:30:52] <mawk> and ifquery says the interface is not found
• 553[03:31:22] <mawk> hmm
• 554[03:31:28] <mawk> let me patch the udev script fo ryou
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• 556[03:32:13] <mawk> yeah no the ifquery is right Kryczek
• 557[03:32:17] <mawk> ifquery should make an error
• 558[03:32:44] <mawk> if you read the script it does [ -z $TARGET_IFACE ] && exit 0
• 559[03:32:55] <mawk> so if ifquery doesn't return anything it exits
• 560[03:32:58] <Kryczek> yeah TARGET_IFACE ends up being empty
• 561[03:33:01] <mawk> why ?
• 562[03:33:05] <mawk> ah
• 563[03:33:06] <mawk> hmm
• 564[03:33:16] <mawk> ah yeah I overlooked that
• 565[03:33:30] <mawk> it's using the standard output
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• 567[03:34:04] <mawk> there's a bug in the script I think
• 568[03:34:14] <Kryczek> :)
• 569[03:34:34] <Kryczek> or ifquery does not support pattern matching yet?
• 570[03:35:09] <Kryczek> Trying 02:25 < mawk> if you do manuall ifup --allow-hotplug $INTERFACE it works ?
• 571[03:35:58] <Kryczek> `ifup --allow-hotplug enp0s9` says unknown interface enp0s9
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• 573[03:36:08] <mawk> even more strange
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• 575[03:36:22] <mawk> pattern matching doesn't look like well implemented
• 576[03:36:24] <Kryczek> same as `ifquery --allow-hotplug -l enp0s9`
• 577[03:36:39] <Kryczek> haha yeah I guess it's a bleeding edge feature :D
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• 584[03:38:26] <mawk> eh !
• 585[03:38:31] <mawk> nicolas@desktop:~/Code/ccminer$ sudo ifup '/xx*'
• 586[03:38:32] <mawk> ifup: unknown interface xxp5s0
• 587[03:38:44] <mawk> it expanded the pattern match, so it works in a way
• 588[03:38:48] <mawk> but it still says unknown interface
• 589[03:38:56] <mawk> something fishy
• 590[03:38:58] <Kryczek> if I add a simple "iface enp0s9 inet manual" line then `ifquery --allow-hotplug -l enp0s9` returns enp0s9
• 591[03:39:31] <mawk> yea
• 592[03:39:32] <mawk> h
• 593[03:40:46] <mawk> well you could write your own script and add it to udev; you could make your own pattern matching engine for ifupdown and add drop down interface files from a template and delete them at shutdown; you could just drop /etc/network/interfaces and use systemd-networkd
• 594[03:40:57] <mawk> option 2 would be the more gentle with regards to ifupdown
• 595[03:41:01] <mawk> I guess
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• 602[03:45:25] <Kryczek> mawk: is option 2 something that requires modifying the code of ifupdown, or just some scripts I can add to a hook somewhere? :)
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• 604[03:46:53] <mawk> just some scripts
• 605[03:46:59] <mawk> you don't modify ifupdown
• 606[03:47:25] <mawk> it'd be like having a template interface file somewhere that you can fill in with sed, that you drop in /etc/network/interfaces.d/
• 607[03:47:50] <mawk> with a tmpfs mounted at that place optionally, to auto clear at boot
• 608[03:48:09] <mawk> or symlink to a folder in /tmp or /run to have systemd auto clear
• 609[03:48:28] <mawk> and yeah you'd fill in the template from an udev hook script
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• 611[03:50:06] <Kryczek> I think I understand
• 612[03:50:17] <Kryczek> thank you very much for your time :)
• 613[03:50:24] <mawk> you're welcome
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• 701[05:45:45] <friendlyGoat> heya, i need some help with rsync one more time, i had everything set up but now its not syncing a rather large .bin of mine for whatever reason. it just freezes up when trying to sync it and i have no idea why.
• 702[05:47:58] <ryouma> friendlyGoat: rsync channel might nkow
• 703[05:49:56] <friendlyGoat> there an rsync channel?
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• 705[05:51:01] <Sveta> yes
• 706[05:51:55] <friendlyGoat> found, thanks!
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• 837[07:56:58] <wylel> How long until a release is considered EOL?
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• 840[08:00:23] <dax> the security team supports them until 1 year after the next release comes out (so usually about 3 years total). Debian LTS does some support after that, see replaced-url
• 841[08:01:53] <wylel> Oh so the final release of a version then turns into an LTS for a certain amount of time.
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• 843[08:06:13] <nkuttler> !lts
• 844[08:06:13] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
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• 950[09:12:36] <timahvo1> Hi guys am trying to install the nodejs.11_x on stretch from the modesource repo but it isn't even listed as an install candidate by apt-cache policy nodejs. Can anyone help me with this ?
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• 958[09:15:11] <frashaf> .
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• 961[09:16:24] <frashaf> Eat This: One Dirty Secret to Weight Loss the Corps DONT Want You to Know!
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• 965[09:16:54] <frashaf> Just click below for my easy video guide to gathering, drinking, and preparing semen from many different species + exercises for when you are sucking a cock to get your meal down.
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• 971[09:20:00] <timahvo1> Hi guys am trying to install the nodejs.11_x on stretch from the modesource repo but it isn't even listed as an install candidate by apt-cache policy nodejs. Can anyone help me with this ?
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• 1114[11:09:18] <qih> Two part question: Any one here live in NZ *and* can/willing to do remote sysadmin?
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• 1117[11:10:56] <rant> 1) this is a support not a solicitation channel 2) if you were looking for REMOTE sysadmin, doesnt much matter where someone lives :P
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• 1119[11:11:36] <agris> if it's remote why does the location matter?
• 1120[11:11:40] <qih> Hmmm I am pretty sure I am not 'soliciting' but was asking a question.
• 1121[11:11:49] <rant> qih: replaced-url
• 1122[11:12:15] <qih> agris: Cos I'd rather pay a local than not 8-)
• 1123[11:12:33] <qih> rant: Ta
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• 1125[11:12:46] <rant> yeah well I rather be in amsterdam, but we can't all get what we want :P
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• 1127[11:12:59] <rant> as the famous philosopher Jagger once said
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• 1129[11:13:29] <EdePopede> Sir Michael.
• 1130[11:13:34] <rant> 'course he went on to say, "if you try sometimes, you get what you need"
• 1131[11:13:37] <agris> finding high sys adm/eng AND local at the same time? Good luck
• 1132[11:13:53] <agris> *high skill sys
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• 1134[11:14:12] <rant> agris: yeah, finding one thats high in amsterdam may not be so difficult :P
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• 1136[11:14:57] <agris> I can't even find a decent programmer in a college town with compsci majors
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• 1138[11:15:39] <rant> yeah well thats cause a B.S. in C.S. is a BullShit degree in Common Sense :P
• 1139[11:15:55] <agris> more like the opposite
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• 1142[11:16:19] <agris> it's like they teach them the opposite of common sense
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• 1146[11:16:48] <rant> yeah.. well thats the case with most educational institutions.. you need to learn from experience not from school
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• 1148[11:16:56] <colo-work> ftr: I hold a BSc in CompSci, and I'm awesome.
• 1149[11:17:01] <agris> and how to customize Microsoft Visual Coder
• 1150[11:17:03] <colo-work> thanks for your attention, everyone!
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• 1152[11:17:25] <agris> >never heard of bash
• 1153[11:18:03] <agris> >cause a B.S. in C.S. is a BullShit degree in Common Sense :P
• 1154[11:18:28] <agris> I'm keeping this X_)
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• 1158[11:20:47] <rant> well, I see from your resume, you clearly tried real hard and went into significant debt to be as dumb as you are.. but we're actually looking for someone who knows what they're doing.
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• 1160[11:21:13] <agris> x_)
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• 1260[12:19:11] <wald0> im a bit confused about the difference between en_US.UTF-8 and en_US.utf8
• 1261[12:19:28] <wald0> does they works the same way in debian ?
• 1262[12:19:53] <wald0> I always used .UTF-8 but seems like it is set to .utf8 here, is this wrong?
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• 1274[12:23:48] <mzajc> I have a 64 bit system and a 32 bit C# XNA game (not the sources). How do I make mono run it? I installed mono-complete:amd64 from apt, but I can't seem to be able to install mono-complete:i386.
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• 1282[12:29:46] <oiaohm> mzajc: I guess you tried running with the 64 bit version of mono.
• 1283[12:29:52] <wald0> mzajc: try installing these 2 ones: ia32-libs-i386 multiarch-support
• 1284[12:30:12] <oiaohm> wald0: mono-complete:amd64 and mono-complete:i386 pure conflit.
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• 1289[12:30:57] <EdePopede> wald0, from man 7 locale: For example, when en_GB.UTF-8 is used for a category, the following subdirectories are searched for, in this order: en_GB.UTF-8, en_GB.utf8, en_GB, en.UTF-8, en.utf8, and en.
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• 1291[12:31:15] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 1292[12:31:16] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1293[12:31:19] <jelly> mzajc: ^
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• 1313[12:37:38] <mzajc> Collected the required information: replaced-url
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• 1315[12:38:49] <mzajc> Also ia32-libs-i386 doesn't seem to exist
• 1316[12:39:21] <jelly> mzajc: you are mixing repos for debian 9 and upcoming debian 10 release (buster), currently testing branch, that will break stuff.
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• 1318[12:40:25] <mzajc> So I should remove the stretch repos?
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• 1325[12:41:37] <jelly> mzajc: yeah, either upgrade the whole system to buster, or if you haven't installed anything from testing yet, remove that repo from your config
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• 1327[12:42:18] <jelly> upgrading to buster may break things as well, but at least you'll have a consistent repo situation
• 1328[12:42:26] <jelly> dpkg, stretch->buster
• 1329[12:42:26] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
• 1330[12:43:27] <mzajc> Well I'm already on buster and I don't think that's causing any trouble
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• 1334[12:44:06] <mzajc> Here's my sources: replaced-url
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• 1340[12:45:21] <mzajc> I also have the steam repository in in sources.list.d, but I doubt that's causing the trouble.
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• 1343[12:45:59] <mzajc> jelly: I have everything upgraded to buster already
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• 1348[12:49:07] <jelly> mzajc: can you also pastebin apt-cache policy mono-runtime:i386 mono-runtime-sgen:i386 mono-utils:i386 mono-devel:i386 ... [all the package names listed under unmet dependencies, lines 12-23]
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• 1350[12:49:25] <jelly> one or more of those is uninstallable
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• 1353[12:51:17] <mzajc> jelly: Here you go: replaced-url
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• 1355[12:51:42] <mzajc> A bunch of them don't have installation candidates, how do I fix that
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• 1372[12:59:32] <domovoy> the machine is reported by inxi as 'HP Laptop 17-ca0xxx', the graphic device is '[AMD/ATI] Stoney [Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5 Graphics]'. I used to have random system freeze, which where fixed by installing the kernel from backports (4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64), but now: 1_ reboot or shutdown does not stop/restart the computer (seems to go all the way, except for power off); 2_ lightdm+slick-greeter doesn't refresh the screen (still responsive to keyboard, so i can
• 1373[12:59:35] <domovoy> gui-login, even if don't see what i type, the the desktop works well). Tried purging firmware-amd-graphics, everything works right, but of course i don't want that. Tried firmware-amd-graphics from backports, same problems. Can't see any error in the logs. Any idea?
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• 1378[13:03:46] <wonderworld> hey, i want to clone a 32GB microsd card to a 16GB microsd card. part layout is: p1 50MB p2 4GB. I am wondering if all data on the 32GB card will be at the start of the card or could it be that parts of the partitions are somewhere enar the hardware end of the card?
• 1379[13:03:49] <jelly> mzajc: you wait. Or set up a testing/unstable mix, which has its own consequences. At this point in the release cycle, I'd wait
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• 1381[13:04:02] <jelly> ,v mono-devel --arch i386
• 1382[13:04:03] <judd> Package: mono-devel on i386 -- jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; jessie-security: 3.2.8+dfsg-10+deb8u1; stretch: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; sid: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-2; buster: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3; sid: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3
• 1383[13:04:22] <wonderworld> i.e. coul i just dd from card a to card b or might i lose data this way?
• 1384[13:04:33] <jelly> mzajc: it's also possible your mirror is slightly out of date
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• 1387[13:05:08] <mzajc> replaced-url
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• 1392[13:06:20] <themill> mzajc: why are you trying to install :i386 packages?
• 1393[13:06:46] <mzajc> Because I want to run a 32 bit C# application
• 1394[13:07:04] <jelly> mzajc: I've had trouble syncing my own mirror from syncproxy.eu.debian.org, if arnes.si syncs from the same one if might be slightly out of date or missing packages
• 1395[13:07:43] <mzajc> jelly: tried with replaced-url
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• 1397[13:10:04] <wald0> EdePopede: thanks, curiously my system has multiple locales installed and there's basically the last one (just "en", or "es" or "tk"...), sounds like it generically defaults to utf8 as a standard or something like this
• 1398[13:10:14] <jelly> wonderworld: usually the layout will not be weird, but confirm that with a tool that explicitely tells you which offset partitions start from
• 1399[13:10:42] <wald0> unless set specifically to another one (like .Big5, .GB2313, etc)
• 1400[13:10:44] <jelly> wonderworld: eg. sfdisk -d /dev/mmcblk8
• 1401[13:10:58] <themill> mzajc: C# or C# calling C?
• 1402[13:11:02] <wonderworld> jelly: thanks
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• 1404[13:11:57] <mzajc> themill: not sure, it's not my program
• 1405[13:11:59] <themill> (my recollection is that the amd64 mono can run anything)
• 1406[13:12:12] <jelly> mzajc: hm, does "apt-cache policy mono-devel" show something instead? (and why would a ready-made C# binary need -devel packages to merely run?)
• 1407[13:13:01] <themill> #debian-cli on irc.oftc.net might be a good place to ask
• 1408[13:13:20] <mzajc> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1418[13:15:08] <tinyhippo> hello, who should I speak to about replaced-url
• 1419[13:15:14] <jelly> ah, so it exists
• 1420[13:15:39] <EdePopede> wald0: better ISO 10646 than just old 646
• 1421[13:16:58] <jelly> tinyhippo: seems it's reported already replaced-url
• 1422[13:17:55] <jelly> tinyhippo: if it weren't, I'd suggest to look up bugs for the package named "replaced-url
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• 1424[13:18:18] <tinyhippo> aha
• 1425[13:18:21] <tinyhippo> thanks jelly
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• 1427[13:18:35] <jelly> you're tinywelcome
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• 1439[13:27:36] <mzajc> jelly: How come libmono-corlib4.5-cil:amd64 has a candidate but libmono-corlib4.5-cil:i386 doesn't?
• 1440[13:28:16] <mzajc> Shouldn't it support _all_ architectures?
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• 1447[13:28:52] <jelly> mzajc: could be the i386 build failed or was slower to upload
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• 1450[13:29:42] <jelly> dpkg, why is libmono-corlib4.5-cil not in testing
• 1451[13:29:42] <dpkg> libmono-corlib4.5-cil is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 1454[13:31:19] <mzajc> jelly: it is in testing, but the i386 one doesn't have a candidate
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• 1459[13:33:31] <jelly> mzajc: that means it's not in testing.
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• 1461[13:33:48] <mzajc> But it's not in stretch either
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• 1466[13:35:58] <jelly> ,i libmono-corlib4.5-cil
• 1467[13:35:59] <judd> Package libmono-corlib4.5-cil (cli-mono, optional) in stretch/amd64: Mono core library (for CLI 4.5). Version: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; Size: 1018.2k; Installed: 3768k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1468[13:36:17] <jelly> ,i libmono-corlib4.5-cil --arch i386
• 1469[13:36:18] <judd> Package libmono-corlib4.5-cil (cli-mono, optional) in stretch/i386: Mono core library (for CLI 4.5). Version: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; Size: 1018.2k; Installed: 3768k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1470[13:36:25] <jelly> oh, it's another :all package
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• 1473[13:36:53] <mzajc> Yeah, the problem is that apt doesn't accept it as i386
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• 1475[13:37:05] <jelly> don't give it :anything at all, then
• 1476[13:37:20] <mzajc> But that'll install the amd64 one
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• 1478[13:38:18] <jelly> they are exactly the same
• 1479[13:39:02] <jelly> an :all package satisfies the dependency for any architecture
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• 1484[13:39:54] <woenx> Hey. i have a remote debian machine that somehow ran out of memory
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• 1486[13:40:15] <woenx> at a point that I can't even run the reboot command
• 1487[13:40:21] <woenx> what could I do to safely restart that machine?
• 1488[13:40:27] <woenx> (well, it's a virtual machine)
• 1489[13:41:02] <mzajc> jelly: That's for libmono-corlib4.5-cil, but mono-complete which is the thing that I want to install doesn't have an :all package.
• 1490[13:41:36] <jelly> mzajc: and if you fix all its dependencies it will be able to install
• 1491[13:41:46] <jelly> presumably
• 1492[13:41:47] <woenx> nevermind, I managed to restart it
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• 1499[13:44:04] <mzajc> jelly: still nope replaced-url
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• 1526[14:00:53] <jelly> mzajc: ouch, that does not look simple. What happens if you do aptitude install (thing you wanted to install in the first place), instead of apt?
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• 1533[14:03:45] <domovoy> the machine is reported by inxi as 'HP Laptop 17-ca0xxx', the graphic device is '[AMD/ATI] Stoney [Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5 Graphics]'. I used to have random system freeze, which where fixed by installing the kernel from backports (4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64), but now: 1_ reboot or shutdown does not stop/restart the computer (seems to go all the way, except for power off); 2_ lightdm+slick-greeter doesn't refresh the screen (still responsive to keyboard, so i can
• 1534[14:03:46] <domovoy> gui-login, even if don't see what i type, the the desktop works well). Tried purging firmware-amd-graphics, everything works right, but of course i don't want that. Tried firmware-amd-graphics from backports, same problems. Can't see any error in the logs. Any idea?
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• 1542[14:08:57] <mzajc> jelly: not much different, as expected replaced-url
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• 1548[14:11:12] <domovoy> is there any way to "watch" a debian package? ie, i want to receive a mail if there is a new version of package foobar in stretch-backports
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• 1554[14:14:41] <domovoy> sorry about the disconnections, my network is crap here
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• 1560[14:20:07] <g0zzy> Getting an infuriating "You don't have permission to access / on this server." Nothing wrong with perms. Vhosts dump appears to be OK, but maybe you can spot something amiss with it..?
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• 1566[14:22:50] <g0zzy> Is it maybe a problem that the site is NOT under /var/replaced-url
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• 1581[14:27:33] <g0zzy> OK. Answered my own question. It IS a problem. I had to edit apache2.conf to add a different sites root
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• 1617[14:51:33] <gypsymauro> hi
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• 1619[14:52:49] <gypsymauro> I've to update a jessie server with debian+bacula, I whitnk it will be untouched for some years (installing security updates) cause buster is in freeze, it's a good idea do start with a fresh buster installation or it's better to stay on stretch?
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• 1703[15:54:57] <loptr> gypsymauro: it depends of your strategy personally I prefer to upgrade to the latest version when it's possible
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• 1709[15:57:55] <jelly> gypsymauro: if it's on a private network you might as well go with buster
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• 1728[16:09:29] <johnfg> Hi folks
• 1729[16:10:28] <johnfg> Just did an apt update, 5 pkgs to be upgraded. Got this: The following packages have been kept back:
• 1730[16:10:32] <johnfg> default-jdk default-jdk-headless default-jre default-jre-headless icedtea-netx
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• 1732[16:10:45] <johnfg> What's the fix for this?
• 1733[16:11:06] <jelly> johnfg: this fix is to do "apt full-upgrade" instead of just upgrade, which debian release is that?
• 1734[16:11:07] <Fox> johnfg: apt-get dist-upgrade
• 1735[16:11:34] <jelly> !dist-upgrade
• 1736[16:11:35] <dpkg> dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>.
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• 1744[16:14:55] <annadane> that's actually a complicated one, i had similar but i don't know about default-jdk/jre
• 1745[16:15:11] <annadane> icedtea-netx is getting removed but i'm unsure what is specifically blocking this upgrade
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• 1748[16:15:57] <annadane> my solution was just to kind of do a regular apt upgrade first and then dist-upgrade later... apt autoremove at some stage may or may not be required
• 1749[16:16:07] <themill> there's a versioned dependency associated with one of the java-plugin packages.
• 1750[16:16:36] <annadane> so dist-upgrade would probably appropriately remove icedtea? then i guess that is the right answer
• 1751[16:16:58] <themill> As the release announcement for 9.9 says, a dist-upgrade is indeed required
• 1752[16:17:05] <johnfg> Thanks folks, that did the job. apt-get dist-upgrade, followed by the apt autoremove.
• 1753[16:17:07] <themill> (there's also a kernel ABI bump)
• 1754[16:17:20] <greycat> Yup, if a package needs to be removed for the upgrade to occur, you have to type full- or dist- to allow it
• 1755[16:17:38] <johnfg> themill: Got that yesterday.
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• 1757[16:17:45] <greycat> If new packages are needed, "apt upgrade" will do that, but "apt-get upgrade" will not.
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• 1767[16:20:16] <jelly> ,depends default-jdk-headless
• 1768[16:20:17] <judd> Package default-jdk-headless in stretch/amd64 -- depends: default-jre-headless (= 2:1.8-58+deb9u1), openjdk-8-jdk-headless.
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• 1770[16:20:30] <jelly> huh, still 8 not 11?
• 1771[16:21:29] <themill> in stretch, yes
• 1772[16:21:33] * jelly thought there was no public upstream doing java 8 security at all
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• 1775[16:22:33] <themill> moving to jdk11 breaks too much to do it in stretch; I assume there's someone doing lots of backporting of patches
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• 1780[16:24:00] <jelly> RH seems to require support for their 8 (supported until 2023ish)
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• 1786[16:26:45] <jelly> I guess they throw some src.rpm out every three months, or there's some other upstream
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• 1808[16:41:51] <n_1-c_k> What problem would be caused by doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for each and every update, whatever it involves?
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• 1810[16:43:26] <jelly> n_1-c_k: usually no problem within the boundaries of the package manager. But you may have unpackaged software, eg. scripts, that rely on a piece of software that's going to be removed
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• 1815[16:44:52] <annadane> on stable, at least. (i assume you run stable as #debian is largely supporting stable but just in case...)
• 1816[16:45:14] <annadane> and assuming the user doesn't have some sort of frankendebian
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• 1819[16:45:26] <n_1-c_k> jelly, ok thanks. Because I've... I mean, my friend, has been doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for years. I'll tell him to watch out...
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• 1821[16:45:58] <annadane> the main thing is just to not blindly upgrade without reading what's happening
• 1822[16:46:08] <jelly> n_1-c_k: they don't have to watch out if they don't have crazy tools built against, dunno, specific libclamav* versions or whatnot
• 1823[16:46:19] <n_1-c_k> righto
• 1824[16:46:27] <jelly> well not more than usual. Regressions happen.
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• 1827[16:47:37] <pizzaman> Hi
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• 1833[16:51:20] <jelly> now they're just... man
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• 1844[16:54:34] <yes> i've found some notes about installing debian with sysvinit instead of systemd. but i'm wondering if anyone has notes on how to switch to sysvinit without a full reinstall?
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• 1847[16:55:09] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
• 1848[16:55:09] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit in buster or sid, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
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• 1852[16:56:15] <greycat> in fact there *isn't* a supported way to "install with sysvinit instead of systemd". switching is the only supported way.
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• 1855[16:56:38] <jelly> is the method from jessie not supported any more?
• 1856[16:56:47] <greycat> what method was that?
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• 1859[16:57:34] <greycat> the only thing that comes to mind is the thing about retaining sysvinit while upgrading from wheezy
• 1860[16:57:37] <jelly> one or two preseed lines, one doing a specific remove in-target and the other for... dunno
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• 1862[16:58:01] <greycat> I know nothing about preseeding
• 1863[16:58:01] <laidback_01> not true. just switch to Devuan. it's Debian, but with sysint. very nice distro, behaves exactly as expected.
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• 1865[16:58:06] <lenswipe> hi folks
• 1866[16:58:07] <greycat> It is not Debian.
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• 1869[16:58:30] <laidback_01> it's Debian as much as Centos is RedHat
• 1870[16:58:31] <jelly> laidback_01: it's a derivative
• 1871[16:58:47] <annadane> "supported way"
• 1872[16:58:59] <annadane> people do use devuan but that doesn't mean it's a debian-sanctioned way of using sysvinit
• 1873[16:59:02] <lenswipe> I tried to use vs code with "sudo apt edit-sources" and now if I try and run it again, it just says You are trying to start vscode as a super user which is not recommended. If you really want to, you must specify an alternate user data directory using the --user-data-dir argument. E: Sub-process editor returned an error code (1) and won't give me an opportunity to fix
• 1874[16:59:09] <laidback_01> okay, fair enough. regardless, it's a suitable system for those who dislike systemd, but want Debian.
• 1875[16:59:11] <jelly> laidback_01: it uses different repos, builds some things in ways different that debian, and supported in #devuan not here
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• 1877[16:59:14] <lenswipe> How do I change the editor for apt edit-sources
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• 1879[16:59:29] <jelly> laidback_01: it's emphatically not debian. Just a close derivative.
• 1880[17:00:16] <laidback_01> I use both systems. not trying to insult people over differences in names. I like to solve things... that seemed a simple solution to a question above.
• 1881[17:00:24] <lenswipe> basically, I've broken apt edit-sources and now it won't let me pick another editor
• 1882[17:00:54] <laidback_01> anyway, I agree Devuan <> Debian, sorry I said that.
• 1883[17:00:55] <greycat> lenswipe: have you tried update-alternatives --config editor
• 1884[17:01:21] <greycat> in any case, I've never even heard of "apt edit-sources" until now
• 1885[17:01:34] <greycat> I just do sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 1887[17:01:43] <laidback_01> I kinda thought you always just edited... yep
• 1888[17:02:02] <lenswipe> greycat, just did that, and it still isnt working
• 1889[17:02:08] <dob1> ,b glances
• 1890[17:02:20] <dob1> wrong syntax?
• 1891[17:02:22] <lenswipe> greycat, basically, i picked vs code by accident and now can't change it
• 1892[17:02:27] <jelly> lenswipe: if you have sudo access, you can run "sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
• 1893[17:02:36] <greycat> I have no idea what you are even SAYING. What is "picked vs code"?
• 1894[17:02:40] <lenswipe> jelly, i can, and i probably will - but i want to undo what I did
• 1895[17:02:46] <jelly> greycat: vscode is a GUI editor
• 1896[17:03:16] <nkuttler> ugh.. vscode inserts itself into the editor choices?
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• 1899[17:03:26] <jelly> why wouldn't it
• 1900[17:03:28] <lenswipe> greycat, i ran sudo apt edit-sources and got a menu like the one update-alternatives provides. I fatfingered it and picked /usr/bin/code instead of vim. Now I can't seem to change it.
• 1901[17:03:51] <dob1> packages.debian.org seems down
• 1902[17:03:52] <jelly> lenswipe: update-alternatives --config editor
• 1903[17:03:58] <lenswipe> vscode doesn't let you run it as root (sensible)....unfortunately that's effed everything else up
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• 1905[17:04:01] <nkuttler> you're right, vim is also in there
• 1906[17:04:01] <lenswipe> jelly, already did that
• 1907[17:04:11] <annadane> dob1, not for me?
• 1908[17:04:13] <jelly> lenswipe: was it set to code?
• 1909[17:04:32] <annadane> at least, not the main site, but clicking on a link isn't loading
• 1910[17:04:35] <lenswipe> jelly, replaced-url
• 1911[17:04:35] <dob1> annadane, can you search a package here ? replaced-url
• 1912[17:04:41] <lenswipe> jelly, it is now.
• 1913[17:04:46] <lenswipe> err....its set to vim now
• 1914[17:04:48] <lenswipe> it wasn't set to anything
• 1915[17:04:57] <annadane> dob1, yes
• 1916[17:05:02] <jelly> lenswipe: ah, so it's not (just) that
• 1917[17:05:07] <dob1> annadane, it's back!
• 1918[17:05:07] <lenswipe> what do you mean
• 1919[17:05:08] <annadane> dob1, possible the package you searched for isn't in backports
• 1920[17:05:10] <annadane> ah
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• 1922[17:06:42] <yes> greycat, jelly: i'm on buster
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• 1924[17:06:48] <jelly> lenswipe: when you open a terminal, do "echo $EDITOR" and "echo $VISUAL" show anything?
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• 1928[17:08:28] <jelly> lenswipe: if not, perhaps it's the "sensible editor" thing written down, see if your ~/.selected_editor or ~root/.selected_editor exists
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• 1930[17:09:31] <yes> !buster sysvinit
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• 1932[17:09:40] <lenswipe> jelly, presumably as sudo?
• 1933[17:09:50] <jelly> lenswipe: no.
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• 1935[17:10:06] <lenswipe> well echo $EDITOR; and echo $VISUAL; as me produces nothing
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• 1937[17:10:36] <lenswipe> ah there it is
• 1938[17:10:44] <lenswipe> /root/.selected_editor
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• 1941[17:11:13] <lenswipe> ta
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• 1944[17:11:43] <greycat> ... and *apt* uses that file? It's not in the man page.
• 1945[17:11:43] <lenswipe> Meanwhile....can I add an ubuntu PPA in order to install ansible 2.3?
• 1946[17:11:49] <lenswipe> greycat, seems so
• 1947[17:11:50] <greycat> !ppa
• 1948[17:11:50] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
• 1949[17:12:06] <greycat> ,v ansible
• 1950[17:12:07] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; sid: 2.7.8+dfsg-1
• 1951[17:12:16] <lenswipe> im aware. I need ansible 2.3
• 1952[17:12:17] <greycat> you can get 2.7.5 from stretch-backports
• 1953[17:12:22] <lenswipe> oh, cool.
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• 1955[17:12:25] <jelly> greycat: I have no idea what "apt edit-source" does honestly
• 1956[17:12:48] <lenswipe> jelly, basically it's a CLI version of the fancy GUI that lets you edit software sources
• 1957[17:13:17] <lenswipe> greycat, how do i fetch something from backports instead of the main repo?
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• 1959[17:13:22] <lenswipe> apt-get install ansible just installs 2.1
• 1960[17:13:26] <lenswipe> or 2.2 or whatever
• 1961[17:13:36] <greycat> !stretch-backports
• 1962[17:13:36] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
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• 1965[17:13:57] <lenswipe> i know what backports <ARE>
• 1966[17:14:05] <lenswipe> I just want to know how to tell apt to use the backports repo :)
• 1967[17:14:11] <annadane> apt -t stretch-backports install foo
• 1968[17:14:13] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1969[17:14:14] <jelly> lenswipe: do you know what reading the instructions IS
• 1970[17:14:22] <lenswipe> oh right
• 1971[17:14:22] <lenswipe> apt-get -t stretch-backports install "package"
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• 1973[17:14:30] <lenswipe> jelly, yep, just missed that the first time
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• 1975[17:14:35] <greycat> jelly: no, he doesn't. he will just wait until someone spoon-feeds him.
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• 1977[17:14:58] <lenswipe> jelly, lots of people on IRC like to just chuck a man page at you and just go "RTFM" regardless of wether it's actually applicable or not
• 1978[17:15:05] <greycat> *plonk*
• 1979[17:15:06] <lenswipe> in this case it is
• 1980[17:15:11] <lenswipe> usually its not
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• 1982[17:15:41] <jelly> lenswipe: I also have experience with you in particular, and assuming we just tell you to RTFM does not provide any favors
• 1983[17:16:00] <lenswipe> not sure what you're driving at
• 1984[17:16:37] <jelly> I don't RTFM without reason, and neither does greycat
• 1985[17:16:53] <lenswipe> idd, but lots of people do
• 1986[17:17:17] <jelly> we're not lots.
• 1987[17:17:23] <lenswipe> i never said you were
• 1988[17:17:32] <jelly> you did, by not reading the FM
• 1989[17:17:36] <whislock> lenswipe: If you're being told to RTFM that much, it might indicate a problematic pattern on your part.
• 1990[17:17:40] <lenswipe> *sigh*
• 1991[17:17:59] <lenswipe> whislock, ever go on stackoverflow? ;)
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• 1993[17:18:21] <whislock> Yes. And?
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• 1999[17:19:07] <lenswipe> <question about how to install WiFi drivers on Ubuntu>.....2 minutes later.....<marked as duplicate of question about configuring printer on ubuntu by mod with 999999 rep>
• 2000[17:19:11] <jelly> I would hope this channel provided a level of cluefulness at least slightly above stackoverflow
• 2001[17:19:24] <lenswipe> jelly, it does. considerably....I'm just used to stackoveflow at this point.
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• 2004[17:20:07] <lenswipe> Anyway, I'm not going to argue about this. It's not a particularly fruitful discussion.
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• 2006[17:20:48] <jelly> but anyway, that sensible-editor thing clashes a bit with alternatives and probably should not offer to put its config when run as root
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• 2008[17:21:28] <lenswipe> yeah, that's kind of odd
• 2009[17:21:35] <jelly> I almost never notice it because my $EDITOR is set everywhere
• 2010[17:21:48] <annadane> which one? :D
• 2011[17:21:52] <annadane> sorry, sorry
• 2012[17:22:01] <jelly> that bit of info will not be divulged
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• 2014[17:22:27] <lenswipe> obviously vim is the superior editor and pc is better than PC. now we watch as the channel implodes.
• 2015[17:22:31] <lenswipe> s/PC/mac
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• 2024[17:27:22] <jelly> however if apt is smart enough to have a wrapper for $EDITOR sources.list, it might be smart enough to detect running under sudo
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• 2027[17:27:52] <jelly> Disclaimer: I do not think either is a good idea or very useful feature
• 2028[17:28:28] <jelly> lenswipe: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list should let you edit the file even with vscode, it makes a temp. copy and runs the editor as normal user
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• 2030[17:28:53] <lenswipe> interesting
• 2031[17:29:04] <lenswipe> i prefer vim and/or nano or something normally
• 2032[17:29:10] <lenswipe> right now things are working though
• 2033[17:29:29] <themill> (if only the sensible-editor menu told you how to change the option later)
• 2034[17:30:05] <jelly> or if it did not override alternatives
• 2035[17:30:11] <lenswipe> themill, ?
• 2036[17:30:33] <themill> sensible-editor *should* override alternatives, given it has user settings and alternatives do not
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• 2040[17:31:04] <themill> «Select an editor. To change later, run 'select-editor'.»
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• 2043[17:31:07] <jelly> in this case the user isn't aware the setting gets remembered as user "root" setting
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• 2046[17:31:27] <lenswipe> This all came about because my app wouldn't start properly in the dev VM. I destoryed and rebuilt the dev VM to try and see if that would help. unfortunately I manage to blow ansible away with something I did a while ago and so needed to re-install that. The version in debian main was too old for my ansible scripts and therefore I needed to edit sources.list to add the ansible PPA to...well you get the idea.
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• 2048[17:32:01] <jelly> themill: running 'select-editor' after 'sudo apt edit-sources' would edit the wrong setting
• 2049[17:32:26] <themill> I don't think it's much of a stretch to stick sudo in front of that
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• 2051[17:33:20] <jelly> it's rather inconsistent, other apt/apt-get suggestions put sudo in front, at least where canonical people have added that :-)
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• 2054[17:34:30] <jelly> let's argue about this some more instead of filing a wishlist/minor bug!
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• 2057[17:35:31] <themill> replaced-url
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• 2061[17:36:11] <jelly> there's one dude who pretends to be a dumb user and dutifully files hundreds of bug reports with tiny inconsistencies
• 2062[17:36:12] <greycat> and select-editor is mentioned zero times in apt(8)
• 2063[17:36:31] <nojake> how would i copy the contents all partitions, mbr, etc. 1:1 into some image .. dd? can u give me the exact command?
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• 2065[17:36:37] <jelly> bug reports ABOUT inconsistencies.
• 2066[17:36:52] <Delvien> I have a debian 9 server that when i set to static ip i get no internet access. I have /etc/resolv.con set to googles dns, and static IP set in /etc/network/interfaces. when I swap to DHCP I get internet access
• 2067[17:37:35] <jelly> Delvien: how do you determine "internet access", can you ping the gateway by ip address, and an external server by ip address?
• 2068[17:38:10] <Delvien> jelly ping 8.8.8.8 or replaced-url
• 2069[17:38:12] <greycat> nojake: typically something like dd if=/dev/yourdisk bs=64k of=somefile.img but the disk you're cloning in this way must NOT be modified during the copy, so make sure it is not the disk you're actually booting Debian from, and that none of the partitions are mounted
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• 2071[17:38:18] <jelly> Delvien: can you pastebin the output of "ip a" and "ip r" with static config and with dhcp?
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• 2074[17:38:43] <jelly> Delvien: a screenshot is okay if you can't pastebin text when there is no network
• 2075[17:39:04] <Delvien> jelly terminal only, and no network currently.
• 2076[17:39:05] <natinaum> die Image sache: dd if=<source> of=<target> bs=<bitrate> status=progress
• 2077[17:39:44] <jelly> Delvien: upload an image of the screen with requested info visible, to imgur.com or some other free image site
• 2078[17:41:14] <nojake> natinaum, thanks. would that work for partition and mbr and all?
• 2079[17:41:53] <nojake> natinaum, ziel soll sein es wiederherszustellen 1:1
• 2080[17:41:53] <greycat> if you use a disk device (e.g. /dev/sdc) then yes
• 2081[17:42:08] <greycat> if you use a partition device (e.g. /dev/sdc1) then no
• 2082[17:42:40] <nojake> ah. ok. then i don't understand bitrate in this context.
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• 2084[17:42:46] <greycat> block size.
• 2085[17:43:05] <nojake> how wold i found out?
• 2086[17:43:05] <jelly> GPT has a signature at the beginning and at the end of disk, so that needs fixing, but firmware usually does well booting with jsut the former
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• 2088[17:43:28] <greycat> nojake: I suggested bs=64k but you apparently didn't read mine
• 2089[17:43:33] <nojake> ^^
• 2090[17:43:37] <nojake> ok.
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• 2093[17:43:40] <nojake> thank you.
• 2094[17:43:54] <natinaum> buffersize
• 2095[17:43:57] <natinaum> my mistake
• 2096[17:44:01] <jelly> block size
• 2097[17:44:02] <nojake> sorry. it's very small and too colorful. thx greycat
• 2098[17:44:10] <nojake> and all.
• 2099[17:44:18] <natinaum> today isn't my day
• 2100[17:44:36] <natinaum> what jelly said
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• 2102[17:45:20] <nojake> np;) alles gut.
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• 2108[17:47:02] <natinaum> Idk, i slept like 4 hours. I think you should choose the blocksize fitting for your device. I use 24m. maybe, dont trust me, google :)
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• 2110[17:47:54] <greycat> I doubt you'd see any improvement beyond 1 megabyte
• 2111[17:48:08] <greycat> you're just using a bunch of additional memory for probably no real gain
• 2112[17:48:38] <Delvien> jelly: whew that took a long time.. replaced-url
• 2113[17:48:43] <nojake> ok it's GPT. so..
• 2114[17:49:05] <nojake> a signature at the end of the disk ... wouldn't that be copied as well?
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• 2116[17:49:17] <nojake> would it only work on the specific usb disk?
• 2117[17:49:29] <natinaum> The only thing i know is that you shouldnt just forget this argument. I had my pain with it. But I guess at some point it really doesnt matter.
• 2118[17:49:29] <nojake> or is it all much simpler.
• 2119[17:49:44] <natinaum> 1:1
• 2120[17:49:49] <nojake> 1:1
• 2121[17:50:05] <natinaum> exactly
• 2122[17:50:07] <greycat> dd's default block size comes from the 1970s like dd
• 2123[17:50:34] <Delvien> jelly: sorry, didnt get the static address config there: here u go: replaced-url
• 2124[17:50:34] <natinaum> I thought default blocksize is bytewise
• 2125[17:50:43] <greycat> man dd tells you the default value
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• 2128[17:51:05] <nojake> you 64kb suggestion is still valid for gpt? greycat
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• 2130[17:51:13] <greycat> GPT has nothing to do with this.
• 2131[17:51:15] <natinaum> at least it felt this way
• 2132[17:51:29] <nojake> well then i do i worry?
• 2133[17:51:33] <nojake> why
• 2134[17:51:35] <natinaum> 523 is the default 512
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• 2136[17:51:37] <greycat> It's a question of SPEED. The block size is how many bytes you read each time you read from the device.
• 2137[17:51:38] <natinaum> typo and so
• 2138[17:51:41] <jelly> Delvien: and ip r for both cases?
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• 2140[17:51:57] <greycat> Reading 512 bytes at a time turns out to be really god damned slow on modern disks.
• 2141[17:52:02] <nojake> greycat: and that was exaclty why it seems odd..
• 2142[17:52:20] <nojake> (unless blocksize)
• 2143[17:52:33] <natinaum> It was always slow …
• 2144[17:52:54] <nojake> the copying and reproducing should take whatever it does.
• 2145[17:53:00] <greycat> Like most of the commands from the 1970s, it was actually designed to read and write MAGNETIC TAPES, not disks.
• 2146[17:53:18] <nojake> it should be at best the blocksize used on the stick.
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• 2148[17:53:24] <nojake> maybe i can find it out?
• 2149[17:53:34] <greycat> 64k is usually fine.
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• 2151[17:53:38] <nojake> ok.
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• 2153[17:53:52] <greycat> if you want to spend a whole bunch of time benchmarking different block sizes, go ahead
• 2154[17:54:36] <natinaum> You could double it till it doesnt help. Then go a half step for and back and for till you find your sweetspot
• 2155[17:54:47] <nojake> no greycat. all i wanted to hear is do dd blah blah. eof
• 2156[17:54:49] <natinaum> or you duckduckgo it
• 2157[17:54:55] <natinaum> eof?
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• 2159[17:55:03] <nojake> end of file./
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• 2161[17:55:16] <nojake> its cool now.
• 2162[17:55:21] <nojake> thanks.
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• 2165[17:55:46] <nojake> (it could of course have been soemthing more interesting for you.. sorry for trivial stuff)
• 2166[17:55:47] <jelly> natinaum: if does not really matter if you use a larger bs on linux, because GNU dd and Linux kernel will do a final partial write and always write down exactly the amount of bytes that was on the input
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• 2169[17:55:58] <natinaum> cat < <source> > <target>
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• 2173[17:56:14] <jelly> pv < source > dest # has a progress bar!
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• 2175[17:56:36] <natinaum> dd if=source |pv|dd of=target
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• 2177[17:56:55] <jelly> pv does not know the total that way
• 2178[17:57:03] <greycat> you'll want bs= on both of those unless you're really trying to benchmark the default 512 byte block size
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• 2180[17:57:11] <natinaum> cat source |pv|ssh localhost dd of=target
• 2181[17:57:13] <jelly> !start a block copy tool war
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• 2183[17:57:18] <nojake> ah ok.
• 2184[17:57:26] <natinaum> have a nice day
• 2185[17:57:33] <nojake> dito! o/
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• 2187[17:58:05] <jelly> pv < source | ... # when pv knows the total, it is able to show an ETA
• 2188[17:58:27] <jelly> except Linux' cache ruins it
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• 2191[17:59:57] <natinaum> cat > <target> <<__
• 2192[18:00:07] <natinaum> `cat <source>`
• 2193[18:00:09] <natinaum> __
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• 2198[18:00:44] <greycat> that is not a correct solution.
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• 2200[18:01:10] <natinaum> why?
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• 2202[18:01:15] <natinaum> dont see the problem
• 2203[18:01:35] <greycat> it will fail on binary files -- you lose all NUL bytes, and you strip all trailing newlines and add one newline at the end
• 2204[18:01:53] <greycat> so, even on text files it may not give a perfect copy
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• 2206[18:02:12] <natinaum> trailing?
• 2207[18:02:14] <jelly> but it may give an amusingly broken copy!
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• 2210[18:02:52] <greycat> also, it counts on there being enough space in /tmp or wherever TMPDIR points for the temporary copy that gets made
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• 2212[18:03:09] <natinaum> there is not tempcopy
• 2213[18:03:14] <natinaum> But in your ram
• 2214[18:03:16] <greycat> Yes there is.
• 2215[18:03:21] <greycat> strace it if you don't believe me.
• 2216[18:03:32] <jelly> a real shell would just mmap() enough!
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• 2220[18:04:18] <jelly> sorry. malloc(). mmap requires a fd ;-)
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• 2222[18:05:10] <greycat> there've been some threads on the *-bash mailing lists about changing how bash handles here documents, but so far nobody has come up with a patch to change the behavior.
• 2223[18:05:15] <natinaum> strace it if you don't believe me.
• 2224[18:05:19] <greycat> bash uses a temporary file for << and <<<. always.
• 2225[18:05:21] <natinaum> give me a moment
• 2226[18:05:47] <natinaum> have to install strace first :)
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• 2228[18:06:04] <natinaum> wanted to do a citation and failed a bit
• 2229[18:06:40] <jelly> sadly even zsh does a temp file
• 2230[18:07:08] * jelly did a strace -f zsh -fc 'cat > /dev/null << __ ...
• 2231[18:07:13] <greycat> strace -e openat,write,close,unlink bash -c 'true <<< foo' demonstrates it pretty well on buster
• 2232[18:07:47] <greycat> use "open" instead of "openat" on stretch
• 2233[18:07:57] <jelly> open("/tmp/zshzCPieh", O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE, 0600) = 3
• 2234[18:07:57] <jelly> open("/tmp/zshzCPieh", O_RDONLY|O_NOCTTY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
• 2235[18:07:57] <natinaum> "/tmp/sh-thd.xZm2jW"
• 2236[18:08:00] <natinaum> this?
• 2237[18:08:02] <jelly> so sad!
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• 2239[18:08:34] <natinaum> Heredoc, i'm disappointed in you
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• 2241[18:08:59] <greycat> It opens the temp file, writes the content to it, writes a newline to it, reopens it readonly, unlinks it, etc.
• 2242[18:09:31] <jelly> linux will usually not even bother writing any of it to disk if its lifetime is short enough
• 2243[18:09:45] <natinaum> you could try to sync fastly
• 2244[18:10:06] <jelly> moreso if your /tmp is on tmpfs
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• 2246[18:11:25] * jelly wonders what O_NOCTTY does
• 2247[18:11:57] <greycat> open(2) explains it
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• 2249[18:12:27] <rafuch0> how can i read a message that is trow at 2>&1 ?
• 2250[18:12:28] <natinaum> Is it a lib?
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• 2252[18:12:48] <natinaum> "2>&1"?
• 2253[18:12:57] <greycat> rafuch0: 2>&1 just tells a shell that for this command, stderr should go to the same place as stdout
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• 2255[18:13:15] <natinaum> yes, but what do rafuch want?
• 2256[18:13:20] <jelly> greycat: it does not quite explain what happens otherwise
• 2257[18:13:23] <greycat> you need to ask a clearer question, with some context
• 2258[18:13:55] <jelly> a mere act of opening a tty makes it become the controling tty if the process does not have one?
• 2259[18:14:09] <greycat> that's implied... I'm not sure of it
• 2260[18:15:01] <jelly> I'm sure I'd learn more about it if I had a Solaris installation and its man pages still available somewhere
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• 2266[18:16:44] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2268[18:16:49] <n4dir> they differ from the installabe posix-manpages, jelly ? (i guess so)
• 2269[18:17:44] <rafuch0> is a message i have to spot i am positive that is sending that message to tty
• 2270[18:17:47] <greycat> oh, it's in open(3posix) too...
• 2271[18:17:58] <rafuch0> but how to view it?
• 2272[18:18:12] <greycat> turn on the monitor
• 2273[18:18:16] <rafuch0> lol
• 2274[18:18:51] <greycat> and yes, jelly, open(3posix) goes into more detail about it in a paragraph farther down
• 2275[18:18:53] <jelly> rafuch0: you may want to be a bit more precise
• 2276[18:18:56] <jelly> !ask
• 2277[18:18:56] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2279[18:20:14] <jelly> ah of course, "other conditions specified in the Base Definitions volume of POSIX.1‐2008, Chapter 11, General Terminal Interface"
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• 2283[18:23:36] <jelly> Delvien: because you've only shown one "ip r" and I'm not sure which case it is for. Other stuff looks pretty much the same in both cases.
• 2284[18:23:56] <Delvien> jelly: ip a and ipr are on the same screenshot
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• 2287[18:24:34] <Delvien> jelly: its fine though gonna reinstall debian ( another guy was messing with this before ) and i think he installed something he shouldnt have
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• 2297[18:30:25] <jelly> Delvien: ok. But I saw only one "ip r", not two.
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• 2302[18:33:43] <Scorpion2185> CAn i install vulkan from sid? I am on 9 stable
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• 2304[18:37:25] <Scorpion2185> or testing, without risking to break debian
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• 2310[18:42:22] <f-a> hi: since a few days I cannot watch this livetream on Debian replaced-url
• 2311[18:42:43] <jelly> Scorpion2185: it's probably already in testing
• 2312[18:42:46] <f-a> should I file a but on chromium or to the livestream provider?
• 2313[18:43:09] <f-a> it worked fine, so I guess they changed the format
• 2314[18:43:11] <tehnull> have you tried another browser?
• 2315[18:43:47] <f-a> tehnull: qupzilla does not pick it up, firefox neither
• 2316[18:43:55] <Scorpion2185> jelly: I checked the debian package page there is the testing and the sid (newer)
• 2317[18:44:13] <dob1> what is this ModemManager that I see on htop?
• 2318[18:44:13] <Scorpion2185> Do I risk to break debian?
• 2319[18:44:20] <dob1> I never installed it
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• 2321[18:44:44] <Scorpion2185> I need minimum: Vulkan version 1.1.88, to support Transform Feedback calls.
• 2322[18:44:51] <Scorpion2185> so testing is fine
• 2323[18:45:20] <annadane> judd, checkbackport vulkan-utils --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch
• 2324[18:45:22] <judd> Backporting package vulkan-utils in buster→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: glslang-tools, libvulkan-dev (>= 1.1.97).
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• 2326[18:45:34] <annadane> (not sure if that's precisely the right package)
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• 2329[18:46:07] <annadane> mesa-vulkan-drivers is in stretch-backports, for instance
• 2330[18:46:24] <annadane> as is vulkan-utils, actually
• 2331[18:46:30] <annadane> install from backports?
• 2332[18:46:54] <Scorpion2185> I didi it but: I need minimum: Vulkan version 1.1.88, to support Transform Feedback calls.
• 2333[18:47:03] <annadane> okay, fair enough
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• 2335[18:47:12] <Scorpion2185> libvulkan-dev (1.1.70+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1)
• 2336[18:47:19] <Scorpion2185> stretch-backports
• 2337[18:47:47] <jelly> f-a: if you look at the source of the page and get the URL out of, this kind of works: mpv -playlist replaced-url
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• 2339[18:48:15] <jelly> but probably only kind of
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• 2342[18:49:38] <f-a> thanks jelly
• 2343[18:49:40] <dob1> ok it's modemmanager package... why it is installed ?
• 2344[18:50:24] <greycat> dob1: aptitude why modemmanager
• 2345[18:50:25] <f-a> jelly: then I'll reportbug on chromium and see what happens, thanks again
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• 2347[18:51:04] <dob1> greycat, network manager and task-mate-desktop
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• 2349[18:51:42] <dob1> but I can't remove it... I don't see any importants packages that will be removed with it
• 2350[18:51:45] <dob1> *can
• 2351[18:52:00] <Scorpion2185> The interested packages are few so can I install from sid?
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• 2353[18:52:18] <greycat> dob1: why can't you remove it? It's only a Recommends.
• 2354[18:52:29] <dob1> greycat, sorry it was a typo
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• 2356[18:53:04] <jelly> Scorpion2185: if you do that right now and they get pulled from sid in the meantime, you might end up with an installation of buster with some stuff that isn't from buster
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• 2359[18:53:31] <jelly> ,v libvulkan-dev
• 2360[18:53:32] <judd> Package: libvulkan-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.0.39.0+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports: 1.1.70+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.97-2; sid: 1.1.101.0-2; experimental: 1.1.106.0-1
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• 2362[18:54:19] <jelly> Scorpion2185: do not mix stretch and sid.
• 2363[18:54:20] <Scorpion2185> ok better wait then
• 2364[18:54:32] <Scorpion2185> and same for testing?
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• 2367[18:54:49] <greycat> Never mix stable with anything later than stable.
• 2368[18:54:50] <jelly> Scorpion2185: buster, current testing seems to have 1.1.97 which is new enough for your needs?
• 2369[18:55:00] <Scorpion2185> yes
• 2370[18:55:30] <jelly> they you might try to install buster and see if it works well enough for your needs. It will probably be released as Debian 10 this year.
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• 2378[18:57:05] <jelly> f-a: okay those birds are seriously cute
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• 2381[18:57:26] <f-a> jelly: they are! and don't miss their parents feeding then!
• 2382[18:57:28] <f-a> *them
• 2383[18:57:36] <f-a> a mixture of cute and gore
• 2384[18:57:38] <Scorpion2185> i had buster on a pc I was not able to the debian 9 pc on the network
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• 2387[18:57:54] <Scorpion2185> *able to see
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• 2389[18:58:20] <Scorpion2185> CAn in install apt install -t testing while keep stretch?
• 2390[18:58:44] <chomwitt> should i install docker from a 3rd party repo or the one from backport?
• 2391[18:59:28] <Scorpion2185> backport
• 2392[18:59:41] <chomwitt> thanks.
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• 2394[18:59:58] <Scorpion2185> you are welcome
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• 2396[19:00:31] <jelly> chomwitt: docker is a fast moving target, not sure debian can keep track
• 2397[19:00:32] <chomwitt> Scorpion2185: is there a container-os-virtualization system alternative which i should consider in debian ?
• 2398[19:00:40] <jelly> ,v lxd
• 2399[19:00:41] <judd> No package named 'lxd' was found in amd64.
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• 2401[19:01:02] <annadane> lxc?
• 2402[19:01:03] <jelly> maybe if you whip up something on your own with systemd-nspawn
• 2403[19:01:07] <jelly> not lxc.
• 2404[19:01:21] <jelly> something around lxc would be better.
• 2405[19:01:46] <jelly> no idea if ubuntu's snaps for lxd would work on debian
• 2406[19:02:00] <jelly> being "snap" they're pretty self contained
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• 2408[19:02:41] <jelly> and debian does have snapd
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• 2410[19:02:48] <chomwitt> so should i try lxd
• 2411[19:02:56] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 2412[19:04:32] <jelly> most people who actually run docker and come asking things in here seem to use the packages from upstream, but see replaced-url
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• 2438[19:19:25] <f-a> jelly: check now :P
• 2439[19:20:11] <jelly> OM NOM NOM
• 2440[19:20:18] <f-a> hehe
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• 2442[19:20:33] <f-a> =D
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• 2474[19:41:52] <chomwitt> but lxd needs snap..
• 2475[19:42:44] <chomwitt> so that means either lxc or systemd-nspawn ?
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• 2492[19:53:12] <zleap> hi
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• 2509[20:02:24] <ninjameister> :1
• 2510[20:02:38] <GNU\colossus> chomwitt, if you're starting from scratch, I'd got for systemd-nspawn/machinectl
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• 2524[20:08:02] <Sleaker> having some wierdness on an LTSP client. trying to figure out why stretch isn't resolving DNS via resolv.conf.
• 2525[20:09:20] <Sleaker> don't have networkmanager or resolvconf installed on either the host or the client. the host uses /etc/resolv.conf and that seems to work.
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• 2528[20:09:37] <Sleaker> on the client that gets the info via DHCP the same settings don't seem to work and it's ignoring /etc/resolv.conf
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• 2532[20:11:10] <Sleaker> does net-tools provide that functionality?
• 2533[20:11:15] <Sleaker> ,v net-tools
• 2534[20:11:16] <judd> Package: net-tools on amd64 -- jessie: 1.60-26+b1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; buster: 1.60+git20180626.aebd88e-1; sid: 1.60+git20180626.aebd88e-1
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• 2555[20:19:37] <dob1> why I see test1 test2 test1 test2 in kernel logs ?
• 2556[20:20:56] <wr> dob1, probably log rotation
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• 2561[20:21:49] <dob1> oh ok
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• 2573[20:31:19] <SerajewelKS> is there an effort to backport buster's nvidia drivers to stretch? trying to backport it myself and it's being fussy about things i don't understand.
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• 2576[20:34:18] <SerajewelKS> in particular, the source package in buster doesn't have debian/compat at all
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• 2578[20:34:50] <jsubl2> hello
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• 2580[20:35:42] <SerajewelKS> there is a build-depends on debhelper-compat (= 12) which i can't find any reference to in buster's debhelper manpage
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• 2582[20:37:56] <SerajewelKS> replaced-url
• 2583[20:37:59] <Sleaker> pretty sure that just means it needs debhelper version 12 or greater.
• 2584[20:38:18] <SerajewelKS> but the manpage doesn't mention debhelper-compat at all and doesn't have a v12 compatibility level
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• 2587[20:39:10] <SerajewelKS> so i'm very confused how i'm supposed to figure out what level 12 even does if the documentation that ostensibly describes level 12 doesn't actually
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• 2589[20:40:09] <SerajewelKS> erm it does describe level 12, i take that back. i checked before and didn't see it and i'm not sure why. but it doesn't mention debhelper-compat and still says that debian/compat is required
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• 2591[20:41:13] <SerajewelKS> so i guess the nvidia maintainers just aren't interested in supporting backports since v12 isn't present in stretch
• 2592[20:41:19] <SerajewelKS> shame
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• 2596[20:42:12] <SerajewelKS> especially since the version in stretch is not supported upstream anymore :/
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• 2615[20:52:00] <girls> Hi, how can I manually download and - more importantly - manually install a debian package?
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• 2617[20:52:29] <girls> is it as simple as using bsdtar on it?
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• 2619[20:54:21] <jmcnaught> girls: on Debian 9 you can run "apt install ./foobar.deb" (the ./ path is necessary) or you can use "dpkg -i foobar.deb" to install a single package. Generally you want apt-get or apt to handle the downloading and installation for you, as they will also fetch dependencies.
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• 2621[20:54:23] <jhutchins_wk> girls: dpkg -i <package>
• 2622[20:54:40] <greycat> !apt install
• 2623[20:54:41] <dpkg> You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
• 2624[20:54:49] <girls> I'm not on debian, currently - that's my problem
• 2625[20:54:51] <greycat> as an alternative to dpkg -i, if you need dependency resolution
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• 2627[20:55:19] <greycat> do you mean, how can I extract the contents from a .deb on a foreign unix-like system? use ar and then tar+gzip
• 2628[20:55:41] <jhutchins_wk> girls: We strongly recommend against mixing packages from different distributions.
• 2629[20:55:58] <girls> greycat: yes, pretty much that
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• 2631[20:56:04] <jhutchins_wk> girls: That way lie complete rebuilds fro scratch.
• 2632[20:56:26] <puhdabear> Hello
• 2633[20:56:32] <girls> My problem is, that apt decided to install an 686 kernel instead of the original 586 one
• 2634[20:57:03] <girls> so I thought, I might just get the original kernel again and extract its files or something
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• 2636[20:57:45] <greycat> ... but if you're on a system THAT HAS APT, then you also have dpkg, and you can use dpkg -i your_kernel.deb
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• 2639[20:58:16] <girls> jhutchins_wk: complete rebuilds are what I'm trying to avoid - there's pretty much fine tuning on that machine running (if it was running ...)
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• 2642[20:59:09] <girls> hmm, looks like arch does not have apt :-(
• 2643[20:59:37] <victorqueiroz> I'm getting this when trying to install libsdl2-dev: replaced-url
• 2644[20:59:55] <SerajewelKS> girls: why would you install a debian kernel on arch!?
• 2645[21:00:00] <SerajewelKS> use arch packages, not debian packages
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• 2647[21:00:07] <SerajewelKS> i don't know why debian is involved in any of this
• 2648[21:00:38] <girls> I have a debian box which will not boot, because apt installed the wrong kernel
• 2649[21:00:52] <girls> so I'm in arch now (different box, hdd attached) to cover up the error
• 2650[21:01:03] <SerajewelKS> so boot the debian installer's rescue mode
• 2651[21:01:20] <SerajewelKS> alternatively, chroot into the debian system and run apt from there
• 2652[21:01:25] <SerajewelKS> (which is what the installer will let you do anyway)
• 2653[21:01:33] <girls> chroot is a good idea
• 2654[21:01:46] <greycat> !chroot
• 2655[21:01:46] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 2656[21:02:00] <greycat> instructions should be similar from arch rather than a rescue CD or whatever
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• 2658[21:02:21] <girls> yes, I think, I know how to chroot
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• 2660[21:03:02] <frikinz> there's even a short script on the wiki
• 2661[21:03:19] <chomwitt> GNU\colossus: i was searching in web , and lxc seems interesting to me also. there are many tutorials and that counts for a newbie.
• 2662[21:03:20] <girls> arch-chroot should work, too ;-P
• 2663[21:03:45] <girls> thanks!
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• 2665[21:04:15] <chomwitt> GNU\colossus: but i'll take a look also to systemd-nspawn/machinectl
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• 2682[21:09:18] <mariok> good morning.
• 2683[21:09:41] <mariok> yesterday I did ask in this chennel about my sound card not working in Debian.
• 2684[21:09:53] <DammitJim> is there a way to configure a cron job to only run on the first Saturday of the month?
• 2685[21:09:59] <mariok> After a Software Update I have troubles with my sound card
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• 2688[21:12:04] <mariok> yesterday I did boot my system with a GRML Live CD and the sound card did work.
• 2689[21:12:15] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: didn't you ask that a month ago? :P
• 2690[21:12:17] <mariok> So I'm sure it's a software issue.
• 2691[21:12:24] <mariok> how to debug it?
• 2692[21:12:43] <SerajewelKS> mariok: which debian release?
• 2693[21:12:52] <mariok> my actual problem: Pulse audio shows "Dummy Output"
• 2694[21:13:07] <mariok> cat /etc/debian_version
• 2695[21:13:08] <mariok> buster/sid
• 2696[21:13:20] <DammitJim> no, but maybe while sleep walking
• 2697[21:13:24] <SerajewelKS> hmm. you'd probably get more support in debian-next then.
• 2698[21:13:26] <SerajewelKS> !debian-next
• 2699[21:13:26] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2701[21:13:45] <DammitJim> wait, what?
• 2702[21:13:53] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: it's possible using a condition as part of the script, or using a systemd timer
• 2703[21:14:01] <DammitJim> no problem
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• 2706[21:14:09] <SerajewelKS> wait what what?
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• 2714[21:17:03] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: e.g. 0 0 1-7 * * [[ $(date +%w) = 6 ]] && your-script
• 2715[21:17:10] <mariok> Please help me to debug my Audio situation.
• 2716[21:17:10] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: midnight on the first saturday of the month
• 2717[21:17:34] <SerajewelKS> systemd timers can do this without a separate script check
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• 2719[21:19:30] <pheo> join ###SCMR
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• 2721[21:20:10] <greycat> oh fuck me, he cross-posted it here too
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• 2723[21:20:41] <mariok> SerajewelKS: I can't join the debian-next channel
• 2724[21:20:47] <greycat> it's not on this network.
• 2725[21:20:56] <mariok> the IRC Server requires me to identify but I'm identified
• 2726[21:21:05] <greycat> also you have to register on the other network. and that requires a visit to their web page. can't do it through nickserv alone.
• 2727[21:21:52] <mariok> greycat: please help me here on this channel
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• 2730[21:22:10] <mariok> how can I debug my audio setup?
• 2731[21:22:11] <DammitJim> thanks greycat
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• 2733[21:22:28] <DammitJim> I went to the bash channel because SerajewelKS told me to go to debian-next
• 2734[21:22:33] <DammitJim> I was like... what the what?
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• 2737[21:23:29] <mariok> 21:20 [OFTC] -!- #debian-next Cannot join channel (Need to be identified and verified to join this channel, '/msg NickServ help' to learn how to register and verify.)
• 2738[21:23:40] <mariok> ^^^ I can't join this channel. Please help me here!
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• 2740[21:24:19] <greycat> also you have to register on the other network. and that requires a visit to their web page. can't do it through nickserv alone.
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• 2744[21:24:53] <mariok> greycat: I did register my nick on the Nickserv
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• 2747[21:25:05] <EdePopede> mariok: on OFTC?
• 2748[21:25:15] <greycat> Unless it CHANGED in the two months or so since I did it, registering on OFTC requires a VISIT TO THEIR WEB PAGE.
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• 2750[21:25:33] <deep42thought> just a quick question: has debian finally dropped i486 and i586 support in the new stable?
• 2751[21:25:36] <EdePopede> and if you /whois yourself, does it show your nick as registered?
• 2752[21:25:38] <greycat> deep42thought: yes
• 2753[21:25:42] <mariok> EdePopede: yes on OFTC
• 2754[21:25:43] <deep42thought> :'-(
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• 2758[21:26:18] <deep42thought> bye debian, hello archlinux
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• 2760[21:26:29] <zleap> EdePopede: i think so yes
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• 2762[21:26:45] <zleap> check the server tab after doing \whois nick
• 2763[21:27:21] <EdePopede> mariok: did you also identify after connect? if so, you should either see the OK from nickserv or some error message.
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• 2766[21:27:53] <zleap> i auto do that as I set up weechat to issue the commands on start up of weechat
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• 2771[21:29:14] <EdePopede> zleap: are you mariok?
• 2772[21:29:28] <zleap> no
• 2773[21:29:33] <greycat> 15:29 [oftc] mariok|#debian-next> Hello guys
• 2774[21:29:38] <greycat> looks like he got there
• 2775[21:29:45] <mariok> yes it worked
• 2776[21:29:49] <zleap> er ok
• 2777[21:29:54] <mariok> I did identify myself and now i'm in debian-next.
• 2778[21:29:58] <EdePopede> ah, well then. things are fine now.
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• 2780[21:30:12] <zleap> i am in there too
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• 2782[21:30:34] <mariok> okay so I'm going to ask my question in #debian-next.
• 2783[21:30:35] <mariok> thanks
• 2784[21:30:40] <EdePopede> good luck
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• 2791[21:31:50] <dob1> should I remove from my sshd_config all the parameters that are marked as deprecated?
• 2792[21:31:58] <dob1> (from the logs)
• 2793[21:32:33] <greycat> probably a good idea to comment them out, yes
• 2794[21:32:39] <dob1> KeyRegenerationInterval, ServerKeyBits, RSAAuthentication, RhostsRSAAuthentication
• 2795[21:32:44] <somiaj> or update them to whatever they changed too, if they changed.
• 2796[21:33:04] <dob1> these are the ones marked as deprecated
• 2797[21:34:01] <dob1> I would like to be sure to comment them out because I can access only via ssh to the pc :)
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• 2803[21:36:44] <noodlepie> Hiya guys! How's it going?
• 2804[21:36:54] <Habbie> hi noodlepie!
• 2805[21:37:00] <Habbie> my day is pretty good
• 2806[21:37:03] <Habbie> how about yours?
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• 2808[21:37:23] <somiaj> !chat
• 2809[21:37:23] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
• 2810[21:37:44] <noodlepie> Hiya Habbie, are you ok? I'm doing just fine - today was better weather than yesterday's rain!
• 2811[21:37:44] <somiaj> It is nice to know everyones day is good, but we try to keep topic on support in this channel.
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• 2813[21:37:52] <noodlepie> ok
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• 2815[21:38:26] <dob1> seems that they are all options that apply to protocol 1 of ssh
• 2816[21:38:38] <mutante> like "each first saturday of the month" is good
• 2817[21:38:45] <mutante> should be possible with systemd
• 2818[21:39:07] <dob1> I risk and comment out them :)
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• 2820[21:39:31] <somiaj> I think there are some other options that restrict your system to only allowing ssh v2, so yea, removing those shoul dhave no affect.
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• 2825[21:40:25] <mutante> dob1: you could do a cronjob that reverts sshd config changes 5 minutes later and then try. heh
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• 2828[21:40:37] <dob1> mutante, I was thinking the same :)
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• 2835[21:43:46] <dob1> it works
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• 2840[21:49:04] <jhutchins_wk> I had a script that did that with iptables. If you didn't log back in and abort it, it reverted & rebooted.
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• 2842[21:49:22] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: i did not tell you to go to debian-next
• 2843[21:49:45] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: that was for the person who was asking about audio problems on buster
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• 2893[22:22:43] <timahvo1> Hi am trying to install the latest version of nodejs on debian stretch using this guide replaced-url
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• 2896[22:23:28] <nkuttler> timahvo1: never curl | sudo *anything*
• 2897[22:23:58] <timahvo1> apt-cache policy nodejs only shows the old version ttp://paste.debian.net/1080725/
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• 2899[22:24:36] <nkuttler> well, who knows what that script did..
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• 2901[22:25:36] <timahvo1> nkuttler: it adds an entry in /etc/apt/source.list.d/
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• 2903[22:26:06] <mutante> funny.. that script does even more curl | apt and then installs a whole package manager
• 2904[22:26:22] <nkuttler> timahvo1: let me guess, it doesn't apt-get update?
• 2905[22:26:33] <mutante> so now you have to deal with 'yarn'
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• 2908[22:26:54] <timahvo1> nkuttler: it does update
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• 2912[22:28:08] <jhutchins_wk> timahvo1: I would imagine that you have both packages installed, and need to ask the tecadmin.net people how to switch between them, or to un-install the original debian package(s) which may have unintended consequences.
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• 2917[22:29:32] <jhutchins_wk> timahvo1: If you're messing with bleeding-edge javascript, you should know how to deal with multiple version environments, if nothing else so you can test your code for backward compatibility.
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• 2924[22:32:19] <timahvo1> mutante: installing yarn is optional the script doesn't do that for you just lists it as an option once it has run
• 2925[22:32:34] <mutante> timahvo1: ah, ok. good!
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• 2931[22:34:03] <timahvo1> jhutchins_wk: no only 4.8.2~dfsg-1 is pulled from main
• 2932[22:34:50] <jhutchins_wk> timahvo1: Something is not the way you think it is.
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• 2936[22:36:34] <SerajewelKS> !bat
• 2937[22:36:35] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2938[22:36:39] <SerajewelKS> timahvo1: ^
• 2939[22:37:17] <victorqueiroz> Here's what happens when I start my computer with firmware-amd-graphics: Cooler starts to run VERY LOUDLY and I can't see no display. I think it might be a kernel problem. would you guys know anything that can help me?
• 2940[22:37:25] <timahvo1> SerajewelKS: thanks
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• 2946[22:41:22] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: Are you able to switch to one of the consoles?
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• 2949[22:42:18] <victorqueiroz> No. I can boot up with `nomodesetting=1`
• 2950[22:42:36] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: You get a console then, correct?
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• 2952[22:43:18] <victorqueiroz> Yes, but GPU doesn't work. It works with 4.19. But stretch-backports is breaking my system
• 2953[22:43:26] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: I would look at dmesg | less, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 2956[22:44:34] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: Since this appears to be a testing-specific problem you probably want to ask in #debian-next. That's on oftc.net, not here on freenode.
• 2957[22:46:13] <victorqueiroz> jhutchins_wk: I'm actually using Debian Stable. This was what I could find from /var/log/kern.log: replaced-url
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• 2959[22:46:32] <victorqueiroz> `Apr 29 17:28:29 debian-desktop kernel: [ 4.300796] amdgpu 0000:07:00.0: Invalid PCI ROM header signature: expecting 0xaa55, got 0xffff`
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• 2966[22:50:54] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: D'Oh. _stretch_ backports.
• 2967[22:51:23] <jhutchins_wk> Anything in particular you need that kernel for?
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• 2969[22:52:22] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: replaced-url
• 2970[22:52:52] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: Interesting error.
• 2971[22:53:10] <victorqueiroz> jhutchins_wk: I'm not using backports anymore. When I installed 4.19 on my old installation my GPU would work. It doesn't work on 4.9.0-9-amd64. So I'm looking for help so I don't have to use stretch-backports.
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• 2976[22:54:19] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: If you paste "amdgpu 0000:07:00.0: Invalid PCI ROM header signature: expecting" into google you get a lot of interesting results.
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• 2980[22:55:33] <victorqueiroz> Ok, thanks. Will check again. Maybe I should not install a new kernel, but an updated version of firmware-amd-graphics. What do you think?
• 2981[22:55:45] <jhutchins_wk> Transit time for me, good luck!
• 2982[22:55:54] <victorqueiroz> Alright, thank you
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• 3033[23:34:38] <Delvien> ok so still running into issues. Debian 9 - setting static address - doesnt allow internet acccess (sometimes...) and when I run commands it sometimes gives me "cannot resolve hostname" even when opening things like nano
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• 3037[23:36:14] <humpled> are you setting a static IP which is outside the DHCP range of your router?
• 3038[23:36:32] <Delvien> yes
• 3039[23:36:53] <humpled> oh great, just had to ask the obvious stuff first
• 3040[23:37:00] <Delvien> not a problem :)
• 3041[23:37:21] <Delvien> DHCP and DNS is running on windows server, scope is x.x.x.40 and greater
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• 3043[23:37:56] <Delvien> for instance "sudo: unable to resolve host PCNAME: Connection timed out
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• 3047[23:40:04] <humpled> oh maybe missed some explanation earlier, you're connecting to debian from windows with putty or something i guess
• 3048[23:41:13] <Delvien> Yes, but that error message is from the session, not when trying to connect.
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• 3050[23:42:11] <Habbie> is 'nano' giving 'cannot resolve hostname' or is 'sudo nano' giving that?
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• 3053[23:44:30] <mutante> Delvien: is your host called "PCNAME" ?
• 3054[23:45:20] <mutante> is that the name of the Windows server, the Linux machine or nothing ?
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• 3057[23:46:46] <Delvien> mutante: no its named something else. just putting that in there to show what it is.
• 3058[23:47:12] <Delvien> Habbie one or the other sometimes. its not every time
• 3059[23:47:56] <Delvien> well this is odd... sudo is taking a LONG time to load any commands
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• 3061[23:48:09] <Delvien> and then giving me unable to resolv host
• 3062[23:48:38] <mutante> Delvien: uhm..ok.. but what it actually shows is the name of the Linux machine? first thing i would do is confirm that "hostname -s" shows the short version and "hostname -f" shows the FQDN as it should.. so including a domain name
• 3063[23:48:41] <Delvien> ah found out how to fix that
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• 3065[23:49:08] <mutante> sudo is not loading any commands.. that's odd
• 3066[23:49:09] <Delvien> /etc/hosts was wrong
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• 3068[23:49:28] <mutante> ok. that's what i was after :)
• 3069[23:50:16] <mutante> yea. sudo needs to match host names.. it takes long because it can't properly look it up
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• 3071[23:50:33] <mutante> so the FQDN version was also just "PCNAME" i suppose
• 3072[23:51:16] <wald0> is there any reason why 'photivo' is not packaged in debian ?
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• 3077[23:54:18] <mutante> wald0: something like .. years ago it was "liblensfun-dev (Need version 0.2.5, Debian has only 0.2.4!)" and then nobody wanted to spend the time becoming a maintainer
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• 3083[23:57:26] <wald0> mutante: thanks, hum... this lib is pretty updated now
• 3084[23:57:39] <wald0> actually photivo doesn't looks like to be updated since around 2 years
• 3085[23:57:54] <wald0> i wonder if because is "perfect" or because obsolete project
• 3086[23:58:06] <wald0> looked to be a pretty good alternative to lightroom for linux
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