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10[00:04:53] <Fox682> jml2, that's what I mean, my internet is so bad lol. but hey it works!
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13[00:06:47] <jml2> Fox682, you can also try to use the compression option if its there
14[00:06:56] <jml2> Fox682, might help with the connection
15[00:07:18] <Fox682> yup, already got it, it's quit efficient and good quality at those levels :D
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19[00:11:04] <teraflops> -C helps yeah
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21[00:13:13] <teraflops> this set of patches are handy as hell replaced-url
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30[00:16:41] <Fox682> yeah, it is neat. it does work and it seems simpler. just hoping its encrypted xD
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38[00:19:36] <Fox682> trying to see if certain websites will function at all
39[00:19:52] <Fox682> if it's an issue with the viewer, the browser or the DE
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41[00:19:57] <pharpend> Hello everyone
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43[00:20:07] <pharpend> I appear to have either run into a hardware issue or a kernel bug
44[00:20:17] <Fox682> lol download is about 68Mbps and upload is 73Mbits lol
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46[00:20:32] <jml2> Fox682, it's ssh
47[00:20:38] <pharpend> I'm getting an error message like BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 22s!
48[00:20:55] <pharpend> I have a picture of the error message on my phone, but I don't have an easy way to get it on my desktop machine
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50[00:21:46] <Fox682> huh... well it fixed most of the issues, some still crop up though
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56[00:25:23] <nagi> Hey guys. I want to try out a couple of tiling window managers (i3, stumpwm). Should I be doing a full backup first encase I trash my system somehow, or is that overkill? I.e can I treat this like trying out any other package, and simply `apt get remove` them when I'm done. Any thoughts?
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59[00:25:48] <Fox682> hmmm... this is odd.. for x2go, I think it works but everything looks zoomed in, even after setting xrandr to 1024x768 which should take most of my screen...
60[00:25:55] <pharpend> nagi: backing up is always a good idea, but WMs aren't particularly riscky
61[00:26:22] <incal> after mounting an external HDD, how can I tell aptitude to put installs there? Or can I do it with links?
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66[00:28:15] <jmcnaught> incal: the paths of where aptitude (dpkg actually) installs packages are hardcoded into the .debs. Official Debian packages follow the filesystem hierarchy standard (FHS).
67[00:28:44] <nagi> pharpend: Thanks, that's good to know.
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71[00:29:16] <jmcnaught> pharpend: are you able to ssh into this computer so you can provide pastes of logs etc?
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73[00:29:30] <pharpend> jmcnaught: can't ssh into it
74[00:29:36] <incal> jmcnaught: OK, where are those files?
75[00:30:00] <jmcnaught> incal: which files? you're not going to be able to install Debian packages to an arbitrary path like an external hard drive
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77[00:30:18] <pharpend> outside of chrooting into the external hdd
78[00:30:24] <incal> jmcnaught: why not?
79[00:30:28] <jmcnaught> pharpend: can you access a virtual console like tty1? do you have physical access?
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81[00:30:39] <pharpend> jmcnaught: the computer is completely unresponsive, usually
82[00:30:48] <pharpend> jmcnaught: I have to reboot it
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84[00:31:05] <pharpend> jmcnaught: to answer your questions, no, and yes, respectively
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87[00:31:47] <jmcnaught> incal: because that's not how packages work. you can do "apt-get download <package>" and then open the .deb file in mc or file-roller if you want to see where it will extract stuff to. You could install stuff into a chroot and always run it in the chroot though, the chroot will need a copy of debian made with debootstrap in it.
88[00:32:10] <jmcnaught> pharpend: start it in rescue/recovery mode?
89[00:32:37] <pharpend> jmcnaught: could you elaborate?
90[00:32:56] <jmcnaught> incal: replaced-url
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92[00:34:04] <incal> jmcnaught: what about installing the packs as usual, then for each pack, identify the biggest files (the binaries?) and replace them with links to the HDD?
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94[00:34:55] <jmcnaught> pharpend: on the grub boot menu there is a recovery or rescue mode boot option, have you tried that? also in grub you can hit "e" on a menu item, and edit the kernel command line. Take a look at replaced-url
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96[00:35:12] <pharpend> jmcnaught: 403 error :/
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100[00:35:46] <jmcnaught> incal: no, you should never manually do anything with files managed by dpkg/apt. Did you use LVM when you installed Debian, if so you can add space to your existing root filesystem
101[00:36:02] <jmcnaught> pharpend: access it without your VPN
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103[00:37:49] <jmcnaught> incal: if you're out of space on / but have lots of room on /home, you could consider moving some stuff in /var to /home (and then symlinking or doing a bind mount), but that's kinda messy. Trying to manually move files managed by dpkg/apt to an external harddrive is just going to break things
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108[00:39:51] <incal> jmcnaught: no, there isn't any space anywhere, it is just a 5G chip, so tho I have zero data, it still cannot install texlive-latex-extra which is < 500M
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113[00:41:08] <jmcnaught> incal: one thing you could do is move all of /usr to the harddrive and update your fstab to mount the harddrive as /usr
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117[00:42:12] <Fox682> yeah moving /usr sounds easier too
118[00:42:42] <jmcnaught> incal: better to do it for an entire directory than to try and micromanage individual packages
119[00:43:08] <incal> good points, /usr is 2.1G
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121[00:43:33] <incal> mount the HDD as /usr means just call it that?
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123[00:43:52] <jmcnaught> incal: if you're using systemd you might need to take special care for a separate /usr, something to look into before doing this
124[00:43:53] <unborn> whoever was asking me about what version I was on.. it was 8 cinnamon heh I reloaded system and it all works as it supposed to
125[00:44:19] <incal> jmcnaught: no I think I'm still on init
126[00:44:22] <unborn> system just frozen back then so I was not able to reply or anything :)
127[00:44:37] <jmcnaught> incal: well you'll probably want to use a partition from the HDD, and then make a line in fstab that mounts that partition at /usr
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130[00:46:34] <Fox682> Huh... something is so wacky when I run iceweasel and chromium under x2go even lol
131[00:46:59] <Fox682> they break into multiple instances and eat up all my ram on the VPS lol
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136[00:48:24] <jmcnaught> Fox682: why are you running desktop applications on a VPS? Wouldn't it be a better experience to use the VPS as a proxy or VPN, and execute the browser on your local system?
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139[00:48:36] <incal> OK, thank you, will try this, see you later
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142[00:49:11] <Fox682> jmcnaught, yes, but this is a different project, I'd just use an SSH tunnel if I wanted to access the internet through my VPS
143[00:49:33] <Fox682> Were talking about a workable remote environment I can use from anywhere.
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146[00:49:43] <Fox682> when I don't have access to boxes at home either
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149[00:50:28] <Fox682> Web Browsing, text editing & some downloads would be the maximum extent of the use of this
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151[00:50:50] <Fox682> but it would be an environment where I can use it from any machine with internet.
152[00:51:14] <jmcnaught> Fox682: i suspect it will work better on a KVM or Xen VPS than on OpenVZ
153[00:51:27] <Fox682> I'm on a KVM VPS xD
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155[00:51:38] <Fox682> it works, but there are just weird quirks
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157[00:52:54] <Fox682> would like a usable web browser lol
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159[00:53:30] <Fox682> and if it can fit easily in a small VPS, may even try a Chat client too. maybe
160[00:53:45] <Fox682> but then I'd probably just use SSH into it and use irssi anyways lol
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164[00:55:01] <Fox682> lol yeah even chromium just complains about the GPU and renderer errors
165[00:55:54] <Fox682> ok... need more compression... lol
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174[00:59:25] <hanshenrik> Fox682, i have Google Chrome running just fine on a debian 8 32bit KVM VPS with 250 MB ram
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176[00:59:54] <hanshenrik> Fox682, with lightdm, openbox, and lxde-core
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179[01:00:24] <Fox682> do certain websites cause problems for you?
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181[01:00:38] <Fox682> I'm on a 64bit KVM with 512MBs ram
182[01:00:39] <hanshenrik> Fox682, no, any specific website?
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184[01:01:02] <Fox682> yeah, speedof.me works or only works once crashes both iceweasel and chromium
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186[01:01:11] <hanshenrik> what desktop env are you using?
187[01:01:12] * zykotick9 thought google dropped support for 32bit Chrome...
188[01:01:17] <Fox682> openbox
189[01:01:21] <hanshenrik> hmm
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191[01:02:09] <markybob> zykotick9: that's because they did
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195[01:04:43] <hanshenrik> Fox682, works just fine for me. replaced-url
196[01:04:54] <hanshenrik> i doubt those numbers tho
197[01:05:09] <Fox682> yeah lol
198[01:05:18] <Fox682> I'm getting about 60mbps on mine
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203[01:06:37] <hanshenrik> out of those 250 mb ram, about 120MB of it was free - running the desktop, nginx, mysql, php7-fpm with 3 children,
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207[01:07:23] <hanshenrik> disabled ASLR to same mem tho
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213[01:11:19] <hanshenrik> (and KASLR but that made <1 mb difference of what i could see, if it made any difference at all :o )
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222[01:19:23] <hanshenrik> markybob, zykotick9 , at least on windows, chrome 32bit is still very much supportged
223[01:19:37] <markybob> hanshenrik: yes. not linux.
224[01:19:43] <hanshenrik> oh kk
225[01:19:47] <hanshenrik> weird, why did they drop it?
226[01:19:54] <hanshenrik> was it a huge maintenance cost or something?
227[01:20:44] <zykotick9> hanshenrik: chromium is currently support, and that's what #debian cares about ;)
228[01:21:31] <hanshenrik> i installed chrome because i needed flash support for something; and chrome's pepperflash is really easy,
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230[01:21:42] <hanshenrik> no idea how to set up flash on iceweasel/firefox/chromium in linux,
231[01:21:54] <axc1298> apt-get install flash-plugin-nonfree
232[01:22:00] <hanshenrik> nice
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235[01:22:42] <zykotick9> axc1298: poor choice actually... i think the pepperflash route is probably better (for iceweasel/firefox even)... but i wouldn't really know, i don't use flash myself...
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238[01:23:46] <axc1298> better in which way?
239[01:24:08] <zykotick9> adobe flash on gnu/linux is unsupported for quite some time now... YMMV!
240[01:24:15] <axc1298> that's not true
241[01:24:18] <axc1298> it's still supported
242[01:24:31] <axc1298> by adobe. they release security updates for linux flash regularly
243[01:24:34] <zykotick9> ok ok... but no longer updated.
244[01:24:37] <hanshenrik> pepperflash include a bunch of extra sandbox capabilties making it more secure than.. most other flashes
245[01:24:44] <hanshenrik> iirc.
246[01:25:04] * zykotick9 would like flash to die-in-a-fire...
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251[01:25:52] <hanshenrik> zykotick9, thanks to fucktards abusing flash for stuff its not supported for, a lot of people do,
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253[01:26:13] <hanshenrik> should not forget that for over a decade, flash was pretty much THE ONLY way to have interactive animations on the web tho ^^
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255[01:26:26] <hanshenrik> these days, HTML5, WebGL, etc, will take over, sure
256[01:26:27] <zykotick9> true...
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258[01:27:02] <axc1298> people have been saying that for a long time
259[01:27:23] <axc1298> hopefully it will come true one day
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268[01:31:36] <Paianni> flash is still prominent for pro use
269[01:32:06] <Paianni> animations and such
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300[01:44:10] <hanshenrik> flash sure is nice for making stuff like this replaced-url
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304[01:47:41] <arahael> hanshenrik: doesn't javascript give you the same,?
305[01:47:53] <arahael> at least on modern browsers.
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308[01:48:50] <hanshenrik> last i checked, flash was much better suited for making animations than javascript, but that was a long time ago
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311[01:50:19] <arahael> hanshenrik: javascript is now extremely fast.
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313[01:51:16] <jmcnaught> arahael: i think hanshenrik is talking about producing animations, not rendering them in a browser (which is off topic by the way)
314[01:51:46] <arahael> jmcnaught: hmm, in terms of tool support?
315[01:52:16] <hanshenrik> i guess, but whatever, im going to bed, gnight
316[01:52:20] <hanshenrik> almost 2am :O
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318[01:52:30] <arahael> g'night - wow, get some sleep!
319[01:52:56] <incal> OK, 'bout loding /usr from the HDD, this worked sort of only several (all?) /usr/bin/arm-linux-* files couldn't be loaded, this caused several problems, e.g. I couldn't run X - maybe the permissions/ownerships didn't take when I copied the dir to the HDD?
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398[02:48:59] <ironpillow> hi all I am getting this "A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interf" while booting and it stays there for a around 50 seconds
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402[02:50:16] <ironpillow> and when I do ifconfig, eth0 has not address
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405[02:51:26] <ironpillow> also I only one interface
406[02:51:55] <Roland-> is there a way to install a very slim version of debian? like package by package?
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408[02:54:10] <zykotick9> Roland-: do you _really_ need to slim it down more than netinst (with nothing selected)? if so... good luck (i certainly don't know... others might)
409[02:55:02] <Roland-> with nothign selected, it still installs loads of crap
410[02:55:04] <Roland-> undeeded
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412[02:55:24] <Roland-> eg: bluez wireless-tools
413[02:55:27] * zykotick9 takes that as a yes to his first question ;)
414[02:55:55] <Roland-> cool
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439[03:09:18] <RickHull> Hi, I'm having trouble finding openJDK 7 for testing distro
440[03:09:55] <themill> it has been replaced by openjdk-8
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442[03:10:13] <RickHull> what if I need to run java programs against JDK 7?
443[03:10:26] <RickHull> does it provide backwards compatibility somehow?
444[03:10:35] <themill> sure
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447[03:11:13] <RickHull> doesn't totally make sense to me
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449[03:11:27] <RickHull> how do you specify jdk 7 behavior?
450[03:11:35] <themill> what would that be?
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455[03:12:13] <RickHull> are there not differences between jdk 7 and 8?
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457[03:12:37] <themill> none that an existing java program should notice
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460[03:12:57] <themill> there are internal changes and there are new features that new programs might want to use
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462[03:13:23] <RickHull> replaced-url
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469[03:15:27] <happygilmoregent> where can I find selinux-policy-default?
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479[03:23:22] <jml2> happygilmoregent, i believe selinux is not enabled by default
480[03:23:24] <jml2> !selinux
481[03:23:24] <dpkg> Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: replaced-url
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483[03:23:55] <jml2> happygilmoregent, it takes a reboot to enable it
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493[03:29:54] <happygilmoregent> thnks
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530[04:14:36] <kurt11> \q
531[04:14:38] <kurt11> \q
532[04:14:39] <kurt11> \q
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534[04:14:55] <jml2> try forward slash ya nub
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536[04:14:59] <jml2> lol
537[04:15:04] <dvs> !exit
538[04:15:05] <dpkg> /quit you fool!
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541[04:17:58] <Merovoth> Hey, Does anyone know if Debian has a virtual disc utility?
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543[04:18:33] <petemc> Merovoth: what exactly do you mean?
544[04:19:27] <Merovoth> I mean, like, converting an optical disc to a file - like an .iso - and then using that file instead of the actualy disc.
545[04:20:00] <jml2> Merovoth, if people are responding to you in #linux, why are you repeating here? :) ..I'm already responding to you on #Linux :)
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547[04:20:25] <markybob> !tell Merovoth about crosspost
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549[04:20:45] <Merovoth> Not everyone is in every channel.
550[04:20:58] <markybob> Merovoth: it's rude and against policy as the bot just told you
551[04:21:32] <polyphagia> !tell polyphagia about crosspost
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553[04:21:56] <Merovoth> Deal with it.
554[04:22:11] <markybob> Merovoth: i am. you'll be on /ignore now
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556[04:22:24] <Merovoth> Praise be.
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559[04:27:23] <Merovoth> Sorry for any confusion. Some channels work differently ...later.
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563[04:36:25] <ironpillow> hi all, new debian installation. getting this: "a start job is running for LSB: Raise network interf..." and when I do ifconfig eth0 has no ip address. But in my router's log I see it makes a DHCPOFFER. Help?
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582[04:48:39] <ironpillow> anyone?
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619[05:30:59] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: can you put your /etc/network/interfaces on replaced-url
620[05:32:16] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: also does "ifup eth0" work? (assuming your interface is called eth0)
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623[05:34:52] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: ifup eth0: interfcae eth0 already configured
624[05:35:20] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: interfaces: just four line: auto lo... auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet dhcp
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628[05:36:58] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: also all this is on xen. dom0 is router and domU is client.
629[05:37:14] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: does "journalctl -u networking" give you any clues?
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632[05:38:07] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: I used journalctl | grep -Ei 'dhcp' it show: NO DHCPOFFERS received
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634[05:40:29] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: and there was no additional information in the command I suggested? You said that the DHCP server logs indicate that a lease was offered?
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640[05:42:13] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: have you tried configuring a static IP on the domU?
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642[05:42:33] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: your command: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0.....\ NO DHCPOFFERS received \ No working leases in persistent database - sle. And yeah DHCP server logs indicate lease was offered to xenbr1 client-name with exact mac address.
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644[05:42:43] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: ok will try that now.
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662[05:54:14] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: i tried with static ip, gateway and netmask in interfaces but its not working. tried ping.
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664[05:55:00] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: sounds like the problem exists with your Xen network setup
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673[06:01:58] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: this all i have: replaced-url
674[06:02:12] <incal> jmcnaught: the method of moving out /usr work! unfortunately not all of it. the big dirs there are bin, lib, and share, and only share could be moved out and in w/o crippling the system. that gave me 1G tho so it should be enough to get texlive-latex-extra. amazing!
675[06:03:09] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: updated: replaced-url
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700[06:24:35] <prototype-0> k
701[06:24:55] <plasmoduck> Hey guys ive connected an Alcatel One Touch Pixi phone to my computer via USB and trying to configure it with Wammu, except I cannot find the device
702[06:25:02] <prototype-0> why is that when i join a certian channel, its says I cant send
703[06:25:12] <plasmoduck> I have ran 'dmesg' to try and figure out what /dev it is but can't.
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706[06:25:33] <plasmoduck> prototype-0, some channels you have to be identified to nickserv
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709[06:25:50] <prototype-0> so like #security
710[06:26:59] <plasmoduck> Check the channel modes
711[06:27:08] <prototype-0> I will thanks
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716[06:29:23] <erm3nda> hid3, question: I have a problem loading configure: error: **** Could not find libportaudio , and viewed sudo apt-get install libasound-dev... but the configure file still fails
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728[06:35:15] <erm3nda> question is not to hid3, my keyboard's shortcuts got me :V, my question is for anyone who can help :=
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733[06:37:20] <themill> erm3nda: you'd need the relevant -dev package for compilation; it looks like it is portaudio19-dev
734[06:37:46] <themill> (yay for non-policy compliant package naming...)
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736[06:38:19] <erm3nda> ogm, thank you :) you're right about it's name
737[06:38:33] <erm3nda> worked :=)
738[06:38:50] <erm3nda> im compiling butt just now
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743[06:42:25] <elena> thank
744[06:42:30] <elena> you
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750[06:44:36] <toruvinn> erm3nda, sounds like some awesome software. even highlighted me. ;^)
751[06:45:10] <erm3nda> having lot of problems to compile it :V
752[06:45:17] <erm3nda> is like a kick in the ass
753[06:45:29] <erm3nda> or may I say in the butt?
754[06:45:56] <prototype-0> what program
755[06:46:02] <erm3nda> broken packages on the libfltk
756[06:46:16] <erm3nda> program is named butt, it's a broadcaster for linux
757[06:46:23] <hiya> how do I uninstall the Debian 8's libreoffice version and get Libreoffice fresh from website?
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759[06:48:06] <themill> hiya: perhaps you'd rather look at backports
760[06:48:33] <prototype-0> Anyone know Guacamole well
761[06:49:09] <elena> i love it with my tacos
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763[06:49:42] <erm3nda> needs to install libfltk1.1-dev 1.1.10-19+b1 on debian 8, not libfltk1.3-dev 1.3.2-6+b1 and still presents compilation erros. leaving butt, i'll use another broadcaster
764[06:50:04] <toruvinn> hiya, dunno, apt-get remove libreoffice? and then download .deb from replaced-url
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768[06:50:47] <toruvinn> erm3nda, nothing stops you from compiling old(er) libraries and installing them with --prefix=~/whatever/ (even ~/)
769[06:51:25] <prototype-0> erm3nda did you run built-essentials
770[06:51:31] <toruvinn> erm3nda, try LFS, it's fun ;^) (for the first 2 days)
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773[06:52:29] <erm3nda> toruvinn, thank you, im a bit noob at compiling.
774[06:52:46] <erm3nda> im running the configure script given
775[06:52:49] <hiya> toruvinn, Ok thanks but i have noticed that backports have the version too
776[06:52:50] <prototype-0> dont compile find one that is apt-get
777[06:52:55] <hiya> I am looking into it
778[06:52:58] <toruvinn> erm3nda, ok, i'm being honest here: stick to Debian, but try to have fun with LFS someday (in a vm perhaps)
779[06:53:09] <toruvinn> erm3nda, i've learned A LOT this way :-)
780[06:53:09] <prototype-0> here ermreplaced-url
781[06:53:32] <toruvinn> if i'm talking nonsense, sorry, a bit tipsy here ;-P
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785[06:54:51] <elena> no worries here its cool
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788[06:55:01] <prototype-0> I hate it when you watch a lot of anime and shows in different language, then your typing on something in a different screen while the show is on in background and you totally pick up a complete converation as if you heard it in english
789[06:55:17] <erm3nda> i've installed that idjc
790[06:55:32] <erm3nda> toruvinn, i've joined linux using debian from sdcard into a wm8505
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792[06:55:45] <erm3nda> but never used linux for everyday, im recently new to that :V
793[06:56:19] <toruvinn> hiya, if you want the backports version, you still /probably/ want to remove the current one you have or just apt-get install -t ...-backports whateverthepackagenameis (it should(?) upgrade)
794[06:56:52] <jmcnaught> toruvinn: hiya: you don't need to remove packages first to upgrade to backports versions
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796[06:57:00] <toruvinn> :-)
797[06:57:00] <elena> the recent version of linux is out
798[06:57:07] <toruvinn> jmcnaught, just what i said! ;-)
799[06:57:50] <erm3nda> prototype-0, huge list :) replaced-url
800[06:58:08] <prototype-0> thought that would help ya
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806[07:02:59] <jmcnaught> prototype-0: have you tried #guacamole-help ?
807[07:03:01] <tonk> Fucking teletype
808[07:03:16] <prototype-0> Ah I will try it thanks
809[07:03:19] <prototype-0> brb
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837[07:24:27] <claudia> Hi! I need help about isolate real users account for ftp
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841[07:26:41] <claudia> I need isolate real ftp users/passw such that real user map to virtual account and the final user dont access to real ftp user/pass
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922[08:36:06] <ironpillow> hi all, I am new to IPTables. I have a router (192.168.99.1 running debian) and a separate device running squid on 192.168.99.2. I want all my http (port 80) traffic to go through this box. How would I write the IPTable rule? example: when my client 192.168.99.110 browses cnn.com I want the squid box to cache it and return cached copy when possible.
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930[08:40:07] <aedinius> Nice. 4.5 update (testing) seems to have fixed the video issue I was having.
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932[08:40:22] <aedinius> How to see if it fixed the battery issue I've been having.
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934[08:41:15] <Okee> Can someone tell me which link is the correct one for burning an install CD? replaced-url
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936[08:41:59] <Okee> replaced-url
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938[08:42:53] <aedinius> replaced-url
939[08:42:54] <themill> Okee: none of them
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941[08:43:11] <Okee> themill> Where do I get a ISO to burn?
942[08:43:23] <themill> dpkg: tell Okee about install debian
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944[08:43:36] <aedinius> I usually install from replaced-url
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946[08:44:57] <Okee> themill> thanks
947[08:45:08] <Okee> going to sleep. See you all later.
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949[08:45:50] * aedinius sighs
950[08:46:49] <Guest46077> quick question, is there an way to do conditions when there are too many if/thens in your bash script xD
951[08:47:16] <Guest46077> Or should you just keep nesting them?
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955[08:48:32] <jmcnaught> Guest46077: try asking in #bash
956[08:48:50] <Guest46077> ok
957[08:48:59] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: what you're trying to do is called a transparent proxy
958[08:49:32] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: yep. that's what i am trying to do
959[08:50:26] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: might help with the search terms. i think there's a tldp howto on the subject. personally i think it would be better to leave the proxy explicit so it can be disabled
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965[08:53:37] <Guest89695> Hi.
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967[08:54:11] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: read that howto. transparent proxy works fine if squid is on the same machine as router. It's not working when on a different machine and the router has to redirect traffic (port 80) to squid. I think problem with IPTables?
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970[08:55:27] <Guest89695> I have a problem with wifi on x240 (Intel Corporation Wireless 7260). I can see the networks but I can't connect to any. When I try I can see errors in journalctl <info> (wlan0): device state change: failed -> disconnected (reason 'none') [120 30 0]
971[08:55:35] <Guest89695> Help.
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974[08:57:58] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: yes, but sorry i don't know if i could help with that
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976[08:58:37] <jmcnaught> Guest46077: did you install the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free?
977[08:59:03] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: no problem :) thanks for taking the time.
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985[09:01:52] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, yes, it's installed.
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989[09:02:19] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, ii firmware-iwlwifi 0.43 all Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards
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995[09:05:03] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: have you been able to connect to other networks? What method are you using to connect?
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1000[09:06:49] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, I get the same journalctl output on every network. I am not even promted by gui network manager to provide a password.
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1002[09:07:17] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: did you reboot or reload the modules after installing the firmware package?
1003[09:08:37] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, yea, I have rebooted. Not sure about the modules thou. root@debian:~# lsmod |grep wifi
1004[09:08:37] <Guest89695> iwlwifi 96547 1 iwlmvm
1005[09:08:37] <Guest89695> cfg80211 405538 3 iwlwifi,mac80211,iwlmvm
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1008[09:10:02] <running-config> Hello
1009[09:10:16] <running-config> debian is the homosexual version of ubuntu, correct?
1010[09:10:39] <Guest89695> running-config, wasn't it the other way around?
1011[09:10:50] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: please don't engage
1012[09:10:55] <Guest89695> kk
1013[09:11:20] <running-config> No, its okay
1014[09:11:24] <running-config> to engage.
1015[09:11:26] <jmcnaught> !ops running-config homophobic comments
1016[09:11:26] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: running-config homophobic comments
1017[09:11:34] <running-config> I want to engage my dick with replaced-url
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1020[09:11:50] *** running-config was kicked by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.)
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1023[09:12:01] <themill> jmcnaught: thanks
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1025[09:12:07] <jmcnaught> themill: thank you
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1027[09:12:59] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: it seems like you're connected some how, with ethernet? can you provide more from journalctl on replaced-url
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1029[09:13:50] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: you can install pastebinit and then do "journalctl -u NetworkManager | pastebinit"
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1035[09:14:44] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, I am sharing connection with other linux box via eth. replaced-url
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1043[09:19:21] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: thanks. your paste has no line numbers for some reason, but "State 2 of 5" has some warnings about "<warn> Couldn't disconnect supplicant interface: This interface is not connected.", any luck searching for that?
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1048[09:20:37] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, no, haven't googled that one out. Thanks for pointing that out. I will check it now.
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1051[09:20:51] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: what other things have you tried? You also have lines about "<info> (wlan0): device state change: unmanaged -> unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 20 2]", is your wlan0 listed in /etc/network/interfaces?
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1053[09:21:44] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, I've searched for device failed reason none line.
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1059[09:23:43] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: hmmm... which desktop environment are you using? It seems like NetworkManager uses gnome-keyring to store secrets.. is gnome-keyring-daemon running?
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1064[09:24:42] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, running xfce, I am not sure what's the daemon's name.
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1066[09:24:56] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: gnome-keyring-daemon
1067[09:25:13] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, not running.
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1070[09:27:10] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: i think that's the problem. the network-manager-gnome package that provides nm-applet recommends gnome-keyring package, did you install with recommends disabled or something?
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1073[09:28:47] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, have not idea, just downloaded xfce interface iso so it was already there. If that's the case, if I shut X down and try to connect from terminal it should work, yes?
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1075[09:29:41] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: does "apt-cache policy gnome-keyring" say that it's installed?
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1078[09:30:08] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, nope.
1079[09:30:14] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, it's not installed.
1080[09:30:37] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: install it. i would also install "task-xfce-desktop" in case there's other stuff missing
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1083[09:33:06] <jmd> Since upgrading to 8.4 the resolution of my xserver has dropped drastically. how can I reconfigure it?
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1085[09:33:36] <Guest89695> jmcnaught, thank you...been trying to solve this for 3rd day now. The keyring fixed it. I am really grateful!
1086[09:34:13] <jmcnaught> jmd: do you use a desktop environment like Gnome or KDE, can you adjust the resolution in the settings? Otherwise can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on replaced-url
1087[09:34:23] <jmcnaught> Guest89695: you're welcome, enjoy :)
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1102[09:44:07] <jmd> jmcnaught: That site crashes my irc session. I'll try to find anouter pastebin site. In the meantime, where are the "settings" and how do I use them?
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1107[09:46:30] <jmcnaught> jmd: it depends on the desktop you're using. in Gnome you click on the top right corner, and then the icon that looks like tools. How exactly does the the Debian paste site crash your IRC? Can you use a dedicated IRC client, or two separate browsers?
1108[09:47:40] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell jmd about pastebinit
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1110[09:47:55] <jmd> http:/paste.lisp.org/+6QMH.
1111[09:48:07] <jmd> jmcnaught: I know what a pastebin is.
1112[09:48:26] <jmcnaught> jmd: if you read the factoid you'll see that pastebinit is a command you can pipe to
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1114[09:49:37] <jmd> I don't see a "tools like" thing in the top right hand corner.
1115[09:50:11] <jmcnaught> jmd: which desktop environment are you using? search how to acces the settings for it
1116[09:50:17] <jmd> Ahh wait now I see it.
1117[09:50:52] <jmd> So I have an "All Settings" window. What do I do now?
1118[09:51:12] <jmcnaught> jmd: probably click on displays
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1120[09:51:45] <jmd> Ok. Now I get a window saying "Unknown Display"
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1122[09:52:49] <jmcnaught> jmd: it looks like your computer is using the VESA fallback driver, but seems to have a radeon card. Lots of radeon cards require the firmware-linux-nonfree package from non-free to function properly (even with the free radeon driver)
1123[09:53:19] <jmd> But I didn't have that problem before I upgraded.
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1127[09:54:00] <jmcnaught> jmd: you upgrade from 8.3 to 8.4 (as in, you did a regular apt-get upgrade) or you upgraded from wheezy?
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1129[09:55:12] <hiya> PC would freeze randomly, when Hexchat + Iceweasel is open and I am watching youtube | I cannot type for from 3-5 secs in Hexchat (it freezes) sometimes YOutube freezes same way (video playback) | Intel® Core™ i5-4210U CPU @ 1.70GHz × 4 & Intel® Haswell Mobile graphics with Debian backports driver
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1132[09:55:47] <jmcnaught> hiya: if you have flash, try disabling/removing it and see if you still have the problem
1133[09:56:25] <hiya> I use Debian with Main repo only, and I do not use any thing non-free
1134[09:56:33] <hiya> I would never have Flash at all
1135[09:57:01] <hiya> OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc
1136[09:57:04] <hiya> what is this in Iceweasel ^ ?
1137[09:57:07] <hiya> I have it disabled
1138[09:57:41] <jmcnaught> hiya: it's disabled by default in Debian. Vanilla Firefox auto-downloads this to enable h264 video support
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1140[10:00:31] <jmcnaught> hiya: you could try looking for problems with "journalctl --since -5min" right after a slowdown happens
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1148[10:03:50] <jmd> jmcnaught: I upgraded from wheezy
1149[10:04:11] <jmcnaught> jmd: the newer version of the radeon driver must need the firmware
1150[10:04:34] <jmd> Shouldn't it be in contrib then?
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1152[10:05:12] <jmcnaught> jmd: take a look at replaced-url
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1156[10:05:56] <jmd> It is. But if something else depended on it, then it should be in contrib I thought?
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1159[10:07:21] <jmcnaught> jmd: maybe the radeon driver will work for some cards w/o firmware. i don't know why it's not in contrib.
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1162[10:07:52] <jmd> ok. Thanks.
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1204[10:30:18] <leafwiz_> Hi. Just a small question. How do you force a fsck on a systemd-ed system?
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1211[10:33:12] <leafwiz_> Do I have to edit grup?
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1228[10:45:02] <veek> what's the cmd to add a font
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1232[10:52:28] <jml2> leafwiz_, grub?
1233[10:52:43] <jml2> leafwiz_, you edit /etc/default/grub variables
1234[10:52:44] <jml2> !grub
1235[10:52:44] <dpkg> GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. replaced-url
1236[10:52:53] <jml2> ^ (see the grub2 link)
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1241[10:59:46] <hiya> Why does my laptop not work well with Debian Jessie? I am on a laptop with Intel® Core™ i5-4210U CPU @ 1.70GHz × 4 & Intel® Haswell Mobile graphics
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1243[11:00:51] <jml2> hiya, firmware files -- (dmesg |grep -i fail)
1244[11:00:55] <jml2> hiya, often is a caes
1245[11:00:58] <jml2> ./case
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1256[11:05:27] <hiya> jml2, replaced-url
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1258[11:05:47] <hiya> 1st bluetooth I don't need 2nd NIC Gigabit, I am fine with 100 Mbps which I don't even use for laptop
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1261[11:09:34] <jml2> hiya, you need to install the firmware-realtek package -- if not then you have to transport it via usb stick :/
1262[11:09:44] <jml2> (packages.debian.org)
1263[11:09:59] <jml2> it might be partially working, which is enough to download that pacakge
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1268[11:11:54] <hiya> jml2, But how is realtek related to intel graphics which is under performing owing to outdated drivers Sir
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1271[11:12:48] <jml2> "[ 937.248511] r8169 0000:07:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8106e-1.fw (-2)"
1272[11:12:53] <jml2> that firmware file is missing
1273[11:12:58] <jml2> your network is not optimal..
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1275[11:13:29] <jml2> also you need this package for "AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu"
1276[11:13:37] <jml2> "firmware-atheros"
1277[11:13:44] <jml2> you'll need to add non-free
1278[11:13:49] <jml2> !non-free
1279[11:13:49] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
1280[11:13:51] <dom7th> hi, who can suggest me a good guide to build my own kernel? Thank's
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1282[11:14:44] <jml2> hiya, once you do this, i'll tell you what you can do to try to fix the intel gfx
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1286[11:14:59] <jml2> hiya, subperformind drivers can affect others
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1288[11:15:17] <jml2> ./under-performing drivers are problematic for a monolithic kernel(linux)
1289[11:15:19] <jml2> :)
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1294[11:16:49] <hiya> jml2, I cannot install non-free repo
1295[11:16:50] <hiya> :(
1296[11:17:05] <hiya> Can you still help me fix intel gfx without non-free?
1297[11:17:23] <jml2> hiya, edit sources.list and add "contrib non-free" after "main "
1298[11:17:34] <jml2> hiya, then apt-get update, and the apt-get install <package>
1299[11:18:02] <jml2> hiya, wellt he microcode is also in non-free.
1300[11:18:25] <jml2> hiya, that can help with intel gfx
1301[11:18:50] <jml2> unless you want to extract it manually from intel's site, but then you need to do all kinds of commands for that... and is much more compelx
1302[11:18:56] <jml2> ./more complex/
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1305[11:21:37] <hiya> ok
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1336[11:38:44] <Guest8317> Hi. Anyone can help me with getting the sound on ? I guess maybe it's not pointing at my sound card but I don't know much about alsa.
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1339[11:39:49] <TomTomTosch> Guest8317: install pavucontrol, set the right output device and check if volume is up.
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1342[11:40:05] <MeanEYE> Did anyone experience long time taken by the keyboard-setup.service to start? On my system it takes close to 2 seconds.
1343[11:40:13] <Guest8317> TomTomTosch, Thanks, will try that out.
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1367[11:51:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> we still have !alsa checklist (to see, in here type /msg dpkg alsa checklist )
1368[11:52:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> but it'd need to be re-written for pulse now
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1405[12:11:01] <putridp> is there any evidence to suggest that the badlock fix for Samba server 4.2.10-debian prevents OS X clients from connecting?
1406[12:11:07] <putridp> I'm having problems since the lastest security update
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1409[12:12:31] <putridp> Samba server 4.2.10-debian is the version carried on Jessie 8.4
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1432[12:30:31] <hiya> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1433[12:30:38] <hiya> when I do aptitude update
1434[12:30:40] <hiya> I get this ^
1435[12:31:09] <fred```> try again later - looks like the mirror isnt upgraded right
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1439[12:32:41] <hiya> k
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1498[13:20:08] <hiya> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1499[13:20:10] <hiya> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
1500[13:20:12] <hiya> E: Couldn't rebuild package cache
1501[13:20:14] <hiya> how do I fix this issue?
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1507[13:22:51] <Coolternet> hello guys
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1509[13:23:32] <Coolternet> im using Linux Debian 8.4.0 :) Im trying to configure Iptables but, im not able to do that
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1511[13:24:08] <Coolternet> i need to install iptables.service but impossible to do
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1516[13:24:45] <TomTomTosch> hiya: try a different mirror if the geo mirror doesn't work for you.
1517[13:25:12] <hiya> TomTomTosch, but it did work last night?
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1519[13:25:28] <jelly> Coolternet: what makes you think that's the correct name for the service?
1520[13:25:37] <mimi89999> Hello
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1523[13:25:56] <TomTomTosch> hiya: pick one replaced-url
1524[13:25:59] <Coolternet> i have type apt-get install iptables && apt-get install ufw
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1526[13:26:19] <mimi89999> I want a list of packages installed from outside repos (other than the Debianmain repo)
1527[13:26:34] <mimi89999> How can I do that?
1528[13:27:29] <jelly> Coolternet: okay. Now look at the contents of ufw package, "dpkg -L ufw", and see if it provides a systemd service... dpkg -L ufw | grep service
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1532[13:29:51] <hiya> TomTomTosch, Can I use a new mirror only for backports?
1533[13:30:00] <hiya> I plan to do it only, since that is the one which is buggy
1534[13:30:19] <jelly> Coolternet: if you choose ufw to manage the firewall rules, it's likely the service name or init script or whatever boot-time setup it has will have "ufw" in the name
1535[13:30:39] <Coolternet> yes
1536[13:30:59] <Coolternet> ufw run like a charm now ... idk why i have some trouble with iptables
1537[13:31:00] <hiya> ok
1538[13:31:16] <Coolternet> I try to configure Ajenti with iptables/ufw
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1569[13:47:28] <b0s3d> hey
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1572[13:47:59] <b0s3d> i just installed nvidia drivers for debian jessie 8, how do i find a display manager / nvidia x server settings?
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1574[13:48:15] <b0s3d> hi refusist :)
1575[13:48:21] <b0s3d> welcome dane :)
1576[13:48:27] <b0s3d> wb*
1577[13:48:33] <b0s3d> dane her too
1578[13:48:42] <refusist> hi
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1597[13:55:08] <qwerty12345> hi, i'm planning to go back to debian, cause ubuntu is become more and more crap, they dont have really lts and support is unfriendly, does debian support native uefi now?
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1614[14:01:32] <fishxz> hey, what is the easiest way to get wine with gallium nine one debian?
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1627[14:06:05] <kzar> Is there something like Ubuntu's mainline kernel PPA for Debian? (A way to easily install recent kernel versions without manually compiling them.)
1628[14:06:49] <qwerty12345> in the experimental/testing/sid repository
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1638[14:12:20] <kzar> qwerty12345: Not quite the same, for example I just searched and the newest I could find in experimental was 4.5.0-1 where as according to kernel.org the current stable is 4.5.2 and mainline is 4.6-rc4. With Ubuntu's mainline kernel PPA you can already try 4.6-rc4 replaced-url
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1641[14:13:13] <qwerty12345> kzar: then debian isn't ready for 4.6, or haven't build it yet
1642[14:14:07] <kzar> qwerty12345: Right, but that wasn't really my question. Ubuntu isn't ready for 4.6 either but there's a way to easily try out those very recent kernel versions. My question was is there something equivalent for Debian?
1643[14:14:33] <qwerty12345> kzar: maybe the backports
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1645[14:14:40] <kzar> qwerty12345: (Of course I could download the source and compile myself but I would rather avoid that.)
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1683[14:32:35] <teraflops> qwerty12345: now?
1684[14:33:23] <qwerty12345> without disablind secure boot check etc
1685[14:33:32] <qwerty12345> it tells me invalid signatire
1686[14:33:41] <teraflops> disable secure boot
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1691[14:37:25] <teraflops> qwerty12345: you mean getting secure boot via the debian installer?
1692[14:37:55] <qwerty12345> security violation
1693[14:37:58] <qwerty12345> invalid signature detected
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1695[14:38:32] <teraflops> again, are you telling me the debian installer complains about it?
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1699[14:39:41] <teraflops> qwerty12345: e.g debian installer does not support btrfs + subvolumes, but it doesn't mean debian does not support btrfs + subvols...
1700[14:40:06] <teraflops> the same is applicable to your question
1701[14:40:09] <qwerty12345> i am talking about uefi
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1703[14:40:48] <teraflops> qwerty12345: replaced-url
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1706[14:42:29] <teraflops> it seems your reading conprehension is borked, above you have an example
1707[14:43:06] <qwerty12345> asshole
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1709[14:43:14] <teraflops> i love you too
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1764[15:11:22] <dokma> My Debian box just froze and rebooted during a full screen YouTube video play. I previously thought it was my old HD3450 that caused that because I replaced a capacitor on it twice but now this happened 5 days after I replaced it with a GTX 650...
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1767[15:11:52] <dokma> I can't find anything in syslog. What would be a good way to flush out which component is causing this?
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1772[15:12:26] <dokma> I tested the memory recently as well so it seems not to be memory either.
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1780[15:15:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> so it reboots automatically
1781[15:16:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> you could try to see if netconsole (or serial console) shows you some error just before it crashes
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1939[16:38:41] <claudia> Hi! I need help about isolate ftp/mysql user/pswd accounts, delivering to my team only a hash or intermdiate user password (they not knowing the real user password)
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1949[16:45:42] <claudia> someone can help me? I need any kind of intermediate security for the team development members to not know the real ftp/mysql users password
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1953[16:46:42] <Thraul> are you talking about root mysql password "?
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1958[16:47:59] <claudia> not only root password, I ask: are there any method for isolate real user/pass and deliver a general user /passwd and this translate a real password?
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1961[16:48:51] <Thraul> I know you can create mysql users and give them access to databases you can do the same with ftp. create users and jail them to folder locations.
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1964[16:50:18] <claudia> ok I undestand, but for administrate 500 sites with respective ftp mysql ssh password is worry
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1967[16:50:42] <abrotman> claudia: what problem are you actually trying to solve?
1968[16:50:59] <abrotman> instead of trying to solve it, describe the issue, and see if there are other solutions
1969[16:51:30] <claudia> in the deep of my question are data confidenciality
1970[16:51:53] <claudia> because I need separate real password for deliver a work team
1971[16:51:58] <abrotman> Are you implying all users share the same account?
1972[16:52:20] <claudia> can be
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1974[16:52:26] <abrotman> not can be .. they are or aren't
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1980[16:53:11] <claudia> I have a team but the enterprise requirement is that they not know the real client ftp mysql password (each of this are websites)
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1982[16:53:39] <abrotman> a) don't use FTP b) use ssh keys with scp? Then there are no passwords involved
1983[16:54:34] <Thraul> then you create sepecate users for mysql and then grant them permissions on the mysql databases they need access to. you can then create users for ftp jail them to folders, create users to ssh and jail them as well with access to programs and paths.
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1986[16:55:14] <claudia> ok, thanks for recommendations, but are there any soft for administer ssh keys wit scp?
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1988[16:55:24] <abrotman> claudia: bash
1989[16:55:51] <Thraul> ssh keys would be the best way to get around not knowing passwords.
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1991[16:56:05] <abrotman> or using something akin to RSA tokens
1992[16:56:19] <Thraul> yeah thats another.
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1995[16:56:40] <claudia> I refer to a GUI for admin ssh key
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1997[16:56:57] <abrotman> bash in gnome shell?
1998[16:57:11] <claudia> how use RSA tokens?
1999[16:57:14] <abrotman> anyway, you can try to tie FTP to one-time passwords ..
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2001[16:57:28] <Thraul> what your trying to achieve i would not call "best practices"
2002[16:57:30] <abrotman> claudia: you'll have to use google for that, or ask the channel for your FTPd (and you still shouldn't be using FTP)
2003[16:57:35] <abrotman> wtf kind of enterprise is that?
2004[16:58:04] <abrotman> !opie
2005[16:58:04] <dpkg> OPIE (One-time Password In Everything) is a system for using one-time passwords in applications. Packaged for Debian as opie-client and opie-server, removed post-Squeeze to resolve bug #622246. replaced-url
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2009[16:58:49] <claudia> I agree the policies of enterprise is very rare
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2012[16:59:59] <claudia> OPIE? as password repository?
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2014[17:00:07] <abrotman> no, FTP is not secure .. that's my point ..
2015[17:00:27] <abrotman> dpkg: ftp must die
2016[17:00:28] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
2017[17:01:05] <TomTomTosch> claudia: is there maybe a language you are more comfortable with? not trying to offend, but there is for example #debian-es on irc.oftc.net
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2020[17:02:28] <claudia> the policies is based on: if a worker go out (or fired) the long list of password not need be changed
2021[17:04:04] <claudia> TomTomTosch, not offend to me... I m sorry for my poor english
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2023[17:04:25] <Thraul> then with each new staff member you create a "power user" that has been granted permissions to perform tasks and access to data, if they need "root" privelleges then maybe look at using the sudo on those uers.
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2025[17:05:15] <abrotman> claudia: right, use RSA tokens or SSH keys .. your need is not special.
2026[17:06:16] <Thraul> systems that are internet facing use ssh key's, RSA tokens for non-linnux systems etc?
2027[17:06:28] <abrotman> we use RSA for *nix systems also
2028[17:06:40] <abrotman> (among other methods)
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2031[17:07:30] <claudia> rsa tokens, ssh keys w scp, OPIE, all good!, I start googling and learn about that, THANKS for all!
2032[17:08:22] <Thraul> all my linux internet systems have password ssh turned off and must connect via ssh key also non root login is permitted. must ssh in as a user and sudo <command> for root. this way root password is not disclosed
2033[17:08:53] <abrotman> A million different ways .. FTP isn't one of them :)
2034[17:09:13] <jmd> How can I tell systemd to delay mounting nfs mounted filesystems?
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2036[17:09:22] <Thraul> a lots of options have been mentioned. I am sure you will find away to achieve what you are looking for :)
2037[17:09:37] <abrotman> jmd: isn't that in /etc/fstab using _netdev ?
2038[17:10:18] <jmd> abrotman: Hmm. I remember trying that before and it caused all sorts of problems.
2039[17:10:25] <abrotman> jmd: man mount
2040[17:10:28] <jmd> But I'll try again.
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2044[17:11:11] <Thraul> all i am using in my fstab is "server:/folder /mountpoint nfs defaults 0 0"
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2047[17:12:46] <jmd> Thraul: So how do you stop those mountpoints getting attempted to mount before the network interfaces are up?
2048[17:12:58] <abrotman> it's meant to be _netdev, really ..
2049[17:13:05] <abrotman> well, AFAIK
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2051[17:13:12] <abrotman> man 5 nfs may have other optoins
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2055[17:14:47] <jmd> Anyway _netdev doesn't fix the problem
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2061[17:17:23] <abrotman> jmd: the filesystem is nfs? Each FS has its own "defaults"
2062[17:17:40] <jmd> yes, its nfs4
2063[17:18:18] <abrotman> jmd: what about the "bg" option?
2064[17:18:26] <claudia> jmd: have your fstab nfs the clausule "auto"?
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2069[17:18:59] <abrotman> jmd: that apparently states that if it fails, it should background, and attempt to remount soon
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2071[17:19:25] <jmd> abrotman: ok, I will try that.
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2074[17:20:05] <abrotman> Or as you suggested, perhaps a systemd-specific issue
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2076[17:20:24] <jmd> Where is bg documented ?
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2078[17:20:41] <abrotman> man nfs (I mentioned that earlier)
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2091[17:24:21] <jmd> No dice with bg. Is there an easy way to tell systemd to run "mount -a -O _netdev" as a final stage in the boot sequence?
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2123[17:39:54] <teraflops> jmd: replaced-url
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2131[17:46:55] <Okee> How many CDs are required for installing Debian? replaced-url
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2133[17:47:26] <jmd> teraflops: I can't make out from that bug report what the suggested solution is.
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2135[17:47:49] <mtn> Okee: the first one, or just use the netinstall
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2138[17:48:43] <Myrtti> I'd use the netinst too
2139[17:48:57] <teraflops> Perhaps I misread your issue. But I thought you were complaining about nfs mounts getting stuck at boot time and delaying the boot process
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2143[17:49:48] <hiya> dd requires sudo?
2144[17:49:50] <hiya> or not?
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2146[17:50:10] <teraflops> jmd: am I wrong?
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2148[17:50:48] <Okee> mtn> I am making a burnable disk. So just the first CD is required, and not all 8?
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2150[17:51:12] <TomTomTosch> hiya: depends on the access rights of your user in regards to if and of
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2153[17:51:23] <frostschutz> hiya, depends what you do with it. reading/writing raw block devices usually requires root permissions. if you use dd on regular files owned by you, that will work without sudo
2154[17:51:26] <mtn> Okee: that is what I said, yes
2155[17:51:44] <Okee> mtn> Ok. Thanks
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2161[17:55:13] <hiya> dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sd<usb drive letter> bs=1M status=progress && sync
2162[17:55:21] <hiya> frostschutz, ^
2163[17:55:24] <hiya> for this?
2164[17:55:28] <hiya> TomTomTosch, ^
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2166[17:55:52] <frostschutz> hiya, regular users can't read from / write to /dev/sd*, you will get a permission error
2167[17:56:56] <zykotick9> hiya: note, "sudo cp foo.iso /dev/sdX" followed by sync is typically easier... ymmv
2168[17:57:22] <TomTomTosch> ^ also the recommended way in the docs.
2169[17:57:29] <hiya> zykotick9, but would it make it bootable?
2170[17:57:36] <zykotick9> hiya: yes.
2171[17:57:41] <jmd> teraflops: Not quite. My problem is that nfs mounts never get mounted.
2172[17:57:47] <hiya> ok then I would use iit
2173[17:57:48] <hiya> :D
2174[17:57:49] <hiya> thanks zykotick9
2175[17:57:52] <zykotick9> hiya: assuming it's a debian iso... or other hybrid.
2176[17:58:04] <hiya> zykotick9, Fedora ?
2177[17:58:06] <hiya> :D
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2179[17:58:11] <zykotick9> hiya: i have no clue...
2180[17:58:13] <hiya> Fedora live CD
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2182[17:58:22] <TomTomTosch> hiya: ask the fedora channel.
2183[17:58:22] <jmd> Anyway I think I can solve the problem (rather inelegantly) by putting "mount -a -O _netdev" in /etc/rc.local
2184[17:58:32] <hiya> TomTomTosch, omg sorry wrong chan
2185[17:58:33] <hiya> :D
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2189[17:59:00] <teraflops> jmd: ah I read <jmd> How can I tell systemd to delay mounting nfs mounted filesystems?
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2218[18:12:06] <fas3r> hello
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2220[18:12:19] <jmd> fas3r: hi
2221[18:12:19] <fas3r> does anyone manage to make it work sssd and samba4 as a DC with the GPO ?
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2224[18:12:57] <jmd> DC = Direct Current, GPO = General Post Office, sssd = ???
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2227[18:13:53] <fas3r> domain Controller, Group Policy Object, sssd well it's sssd :D
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2232[18:16:53] <Kaylas> hi, i have 2 gpu on my laptop
2233[18:17:01] <Kaylas> i have add another screen via hdmi but don't work
2234[18:17:08] <Kaylas> i don't have any xorg.conf file configured
2235[18:17:14] <Kaylas> tips?
2236[18:17:31] <teraflops> Kaylas: optimus laptop?
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2239[18:18:20] <Kaylas> yeah, first is intel and the second is nvidia
2240[18:18:29] <teraflops> Kaylas: replaced-url
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2243[18:19:54] <Kaylas> teraflops i don't know how to configure my xorg file
2244[18:20:07] <Kaylas> i have tried to run nvidia-xconfig but when start the xorg log say to me
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2247[18:20:22] <im> hi
2248[18:20:23] <teraflops> Kaylas: perhaps you do not need a xorg file at all
2249[18:20:51] <teraflops> Kaylas: also read the link I gave you, it seems you really need to read it carefully
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2251[18:21:11] <Kaylas> ok thanks i read up
2252[18:21:14] <teraflops> np
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2254[18:21:35] <im> Cropping a TIFF file without affecting the pixels except translating them - what tool is good and especially fast?
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2264[18:27:38] <jmd> im: Imagemagick is quite good.
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2271[18:30:02] <im> jmd: ah, and can it also crop a TIFF without any quality loss or pixel modification?
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2273[18:31:49] <jmd> im: I think so. Yes.
2274[18:32:45] <hiya> dd: invalid status flag: ‘progress’
2275[18:32:49] <hiya> what is wrong?
2276[18:32:57] <im> jmd: because I just want to get rid of the transparent margins - nothing more. and fast and simple.
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2279[18:33:58] <jmd> im: Well why don't you try it and see if it fits your needs.
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2281[18:34:56] <im> jmd: alright, I just need to find another tools that compares pixels for me - even when the other image got them translated
2282[18:34:59] <im> I mean, how can I be sure.
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2291[18:37:00] <im> jmd: I could cmpare the pixel manually - hmm :O
2292[18:37:17] <im> well, maybe I crop one image with photoshop (the slow method with big dependency) and then compare it with the imagicked one
2293[18:37:20] <im> yes, that could help
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2301[18:40:11] <im> What means "16 bits-per-pixel component" for a imagemagick build?
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2307[18:41:15] <jmd> im: i
2308[18:41:41] <jmd> Gimp is very flexible and powerfull. Not particularly fast though.
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2319[18:43:54] <im> jmd: hm, right!
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2400[19:24:14] <devster31> so I have USERGROUPS enabled in login defs, the default umask is 022 which gets relaxed to 002, however when I sudo -i the umask for root is still 022, why is that?
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2403[19:25:05] <devster31> I also added the relevant session optional pam_umask.so line to the /etc/pam.d/common-session
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2428[19:38:01] <Okee> Do you really need all 8 CDs in order to install Debian? Or can I get away with just the first one? I am getting conflicting opinions, so I thought I would double check. replaced-url
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2430[19:39:10] <ompaul> Okee: no you don't, do you have a moderate internet connection
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2433[19:39:19] <mtn> Okee: you were already told disk 1 is all you need to install debian
2434[19:39:42] <Okee> ompaul> We need a disk for a no-internet option.
2435[19:39:49] <Okee> mtn> Ok, just checking. Thanks.
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2444[19:46:50] <cmtptr> in /etc/network/interfaces.d, are mapping stanzas additive? in other words, I would like to be able to specify "mapping wlan0" in one file, and add "map ..." entries to it by adding more files rather than by editing that file
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2513[20:17:21] <wewlad> hello debs, is there $status/$STATUS envvar in debian?
2514[20:17:42] <wewlad> I mean the one that usually contains ErrorLevel from the last command
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2518[20:18:47] <jmcnaught> wewlad: $?
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2524[20:19:52] <wewlad> jmcnaught: well, the dollar is used in case I'd like to echo that var's contents, of course it's not the part of envvar's name
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2527[20:20:29] <jmcnaught> wewlad: are you asking how to get the return code of the previous command? it's $?
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2533[20:21:24] <wewlad> jmcnaught: what? 'echo $' shows a dollar
2534[20:21:31] <Vasistha> I just purchased a hybrid hard drive, 32 GB SSD + 1 TB spinning.
2535[20:21:32] <Vasistha> I started the jessie install, and got to partitioning, and realized there's an issue.
2536[20:21:33] <Vasistha> If I do LVM + encrypted root, will the hybrid drive be able to do its data access optimization?
2537[20:21:41] <markybob> wewlad: he's not asking. he means use a question mark
2538[20:21:46] <jmcnaught> wewlad: <dollarsign><questionmark> i'm not asking you a question
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2540[20:21:52] <wewlad> aaaah
2541[20:21:53] <wewlad> :D
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2544[20:22:26] <wewlad> thx, it works
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2548[20:24:31] <jmcnaught> Vasistha: if the computer sees the disk as a single block device, and not as two separate block devices, then it should happen transparently
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2550[20:25:53] <Vasistha> jmcnaught: yes, the drive presents as /dev/sdb, a single device, there is no /dev/sdc
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2553[20:26:35] <Vasistha> jmcnaught: so even with the encryption, the drive can still intelligently move things around? That's fantastic, thank you!
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2555[20:26:48] <xormor> wewlad, "$?", as in "echo $?" is the way to show the return code value of a terminated program.
2556[20:27:36] <xormor> 0
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2558[20:28:34] <xormor> wewlad, please type: "/exec -o echo $?"
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2569[20:34:30] <lundmar> Hi. I'm looking for help to get the "gotty" terminal application included in debian - replaced-url
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2571[20:35:13] <markybob> !mentors
2572[20:35:14] <dpkg> hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
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2591[20:47:00] <lundmar> yes, I'm looking for a sponsor. If there are any debian developers here who frequently connect to their embedded boards using serial connection please consider testing and including gotty - it a very simple and useful serial TTY application. For basic serial I/O it is easier to use than eg. minicom/picocom etc.. It is specifically written to replace screen for serial I/O when using tmux.
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2593[20:47:18] <lundmar> +is
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2599[20:48:19] <markybob> lundmar: the end of the factoid told you the proper channel to ask
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2604[20:49:13] <wewlad> xormor: what will that command do?
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2607[20:50:44] <Vasistha> wewlad: I believe his command was for use within the chat window; its functionality is gonna depend on your irc client I guess
2608[20:51:18] <wewlad> ah, my irc client is running under windows...
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2610[20:51:25] <markybob> nor does it matter. the issue was solved.
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2613[20:51:54] <piklu> Hi Guys
2614[20:52:04] <piklu> i have an app i need to keep on running - basically a command
2615[20:52:09] <piklu> if killed, run the command again
2616[20:52:18] <piklu> what is the best way to do it please.
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2618[20:53:10] <wewlad> does 'apt-get install something' usually prompt user's confirmation? because afair it did so for me until I had noticed that it stopped doing so for packages without dependencies.
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2620[20:53:50] <piklu> there is a way to install dependencies too automatically
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2622[20:55:28] <wewlad> well, I actually would like the opposite: I'd like to be always prompted before any installs, since I don't know yet how to get a list of available packages that match the query...
2623[20:55:41] <piklu> anyone help me please?
2624[20:55:51] <debby_> I have Debian Jessie. I need to reduce monitor's brightness. I have VGA -- Gallium 0.4 on AMD KAVERI . So far, the command "xrandr --output VGA-0 --brightness 0.6" does the job of reducing monitor's brightness, accept that it is canceled with each reboot. How can I make it permanent?
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2626[20:56:11] <wewlad> piklu: how about running a bash script that starts your process and monitors if it dies?
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2628[20:56:23] <wewlad> and restarts it in that case...
2629[20:56:25] <piklu> wewlad : bad...but can be useful.
2630[20:56:29] <piklu> to log type.
2631[20:56:38] <piklu> i was looking for a more well established solution
2632[20:57:03] <piklu> I believe its very common need
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2635[20:58:18] <zinx> piklu: some desktop environments come with a persistent setting for brightness
2636[20:58:27] <piklu> ??
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2638[20:58:51] <wewlad> piklu: also, take a loot at this: replaced-url
2639[20:58:58] <wewlad> might be helpful, dunno tho
2640[20:58:59] <markybob> piklu: redshift has an autostart option
2641[20:59:05] <piklu> redshift?
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2646[21:01:25] <wewlad> is 'init' present in Debian or was it removed in favor of systemd? or are those completely different things?
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2663[21:09:27] <jmcnaught> wewlad: systemd is the default init in jessie, but the older sysvinit is still available
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2667[21:14:18] <cengizIO> hello there! I've read specific pages but my CPU temp is high. it's a macbook 11,1. any suggestions?
2668[21:14:21] <wewlad> jmcnaught: could you give some forecast of what's going to happen with init system in debian in next few releases?
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2671[21:15:09] <Vasistha> cengizIO: what version of debian are you using?
2672[21:15:09] <cengizIO> it's 10 degrees C higher than OSX
2673[21:15:13] <cengizIO> jessie
2674[21:15:29] <jmcnaught> wewlad: i'm not a debian developer, but i imagine that sysvinit and others like upstart will continue to be available for as long as its feasible
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2676[21:15:42] <Vasistha> cengizIO: Is cpu frequency being managed intelligently?
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2679[21:15:55] <dontknow> cengizIO, do you have discrete gpu?
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2682[21:16:11] <cengizIO> nope. only integrated intel gpu.
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2685[21:16:56] <Vasistha> cengizIO: it may be useful to get a cpu meter that shows activity over time. I have one on my panel. If you can somehow compare the activity on osx vs debian, you might get an idea of which activities tax debian more than osx
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2687[21:17:06] <jmcnaught> cengizIO: i use thermald to automatically manage the cpufreq and temperature, you could check if your CPU is supported by it. I think Intel CPUs from Sandy Bridge on can use it
2688[21:17:33] <cengizIO> Vasistha, yep. I have a widget for cinnamon showing 48.0C right now
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2691[21:18:01] <cengizIO> jmcnaught, I'm looking for it now
2692[21:18:05] <dontknow> 48 is good for a laptop
2693[21:18:09] <Vasistha> cengizIO: I meant something that shows e.g. cpu frequency, and cpu load, in addition to temperature
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2695[21:18:20] <cengizIO> Vasistha, oh ok
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2698[21:18:59] <cengizIO> dontknow, yes but not without any load. osx manages to keep it around 38-40 without any apps and load
2699[21:19:03] <Vasistha> cengizIO: it should give more immediate feedback as to when the load gets heavy, and for how long
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2701[21:19:26] <cengizIO> I'm not praising for osx btw :D
2702[21:19:51] <dontknow> mac osx is love
2703[21:19:57] <cengizIO> just want to keep it close to reference value
2704[21:20:15] <Vasistha> My thinkpad is at 42C right now, and battery at 50C. In the past I had a laptop that would overheat and shut itself off, I think it did that over 90C
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2706[21:20:25] <jelly> wewlad: noone can say what's going to happen with linux ecosystem in the next decade (that's "next few releases" for Debian)
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2712[21:20:49] <cengizIO> Vasistha, you can check `sensors` output
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2714[21:20:56] <cengizIO> it shows the critical value
2715[21:21:01] <cengizIO> mine is 100
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2717[21:21:41] <Vasistha> yeah that's familiar. That old laptop was routinely running in the 80s-90s. IIRC I replaced the fan, but it still ran hot
2718[21:21:47] <wewlad> I was once advised here to use 'lm-sensors'
2719[21:21:49] <cengizIO> jmcnaught, `cpufreq-info` says it's using intel_pstate as driver
2720[21:21:50] <wewlad> thx jelly
2721[21:22:05] <wewlad> thx jmcnaught
2722[21:22:18] <xormor> I just found out I can use "apt" instead of "apt-get" for getting my software upgrades from the repos.
2723[21:22:43] <xormor> and it seems apt is faster, too.
2724[21:23:09] <jmcnaught> cengizIO: i think thermald will work with that. i didn't configure it beyond the defaults, my use case was "don't get so hot when i encode videos". my thinkpad x220 idles at around 49C. you might be able to get it lower on yours. maybe also check out powertop
2725[21:23:49] <jmcnaught> cengizIO: word of advice re: powertop, don't blindly enable all of the "tunables" that it offers without testing, some "optimizations" could use more power or cause strange problems
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2728[21:24:29] <cengizIO> jmcnaught, I've completely forgotten about powertop. thanks for reminding!
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2734[21:26:59] <cengizIO> jmcnaught, what a sh**y site thermald has...
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2736[21:27:23] <Kaylas> teraflops don't work x_X
2737[21:28:01] <dontknow> i don't think thermald would fix this issue
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2740[21:28:21] <dontknow> the difference in heat can be neglected
2741[21:28:48] <dontknow> thermald is usable when cpu gets hotter
2742[21:28:59] <teraflops> Kaylas: sorry?
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2745[21:29:35] <jmcnaught> cengizIO: yeah there's also a github listed as the homepage in the debian. the man pages are informative
2746[21:29:36] <teraflops> Kaylas: hmmm, optimus issue?
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2748[21:29:56] <Kaylas> yep
2749[21:30:13] <pharpend> jmcnaught: Yesterday, you were helping me with a bizarre kernel error. I finally got a pic of the error message off my phone: replaced-url
2750[21:30:44] <teraflops> jesus I barely remember what I ate for breakfast :P
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2754[21:31:29] <TomTomTosch> cengizIO: is it an intel skylake part?
2755[21:31:55] <teraflops> Kaylas: do you know to which gpu is your hdmi hardwired?
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2758[21:32:22] <jmcnaught> pharpend: does the machine not boot at all? have you tried search for solutions?
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2760[21:32:46] <pharpend> jmcnaught: the machine boots, but every so often, it will become unresponsive
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2762[21:32:54] <johnfg> hi folks
2763[21:33:06] <cengizIO> TomTomTosch, well checking it now
2764[21:33:16] <pharpend> jmcnaught: once, I went to my desk to find computer unresponsive, and that error message repeatedly shown on the screen
2765[21:33:19] <pharpend> johnfg: hello
2766[21:33:21] <johnfg> I've run logrotate, but still get a warning about low space left on /var.
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2768[21:33:42] <pharpend> johnfg: df -h /var
2769[21:33:48] <johnfg> I've also ran apt-get autoclean and autoremove, but none of those have gained me much.
2770[21:34:05] <johnfg> pharpend: K, I'll do that and show you.
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2773[21:34:28] <cengizIO> TomTomTosch, haswell
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2776[21:34:59] <johnfg> pharpend /dev/sda3 9.5G 8.5G 573M 94% /var
2777[21:35:00] <pharpend> jmcnaught: I've searched online, pretty much all of the causes have little to nothing to do with the error message
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2779[21:35:12] <wewlad> how to make 'apt-get install something' always ask for confirmation?
2780[21:35:48] <wewlad> I didn't find in google, neither here [ replaced-url
2781[21:35:54] <pharpend> wewlad: it should always do that unless you pass -y
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2784[21:36:30] <wewlad> pharpend: I don't pass -y but it doesn't always promt, sometimes when a package has no dependencies - it just installs it
2785[21:36:30] <pharpend> johnfg: can you paste the output of 'lsblk'
2786[21:36:39] <johnfg> pharpend: sure
2787[21:36:41] <pharpend> johnfg: not in the channel, on a pastebin somewhere
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2790[21:37:11] <pharpend> wewlad: if you run 'apt-get install X', apt-get is entirely reasonable in assuming you want to install X
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2792[21:37:29] <pharpend> wewlad: try running --dry-run
2793[21:37:38] <pharpend> wewlad: ack, pass --dry-run, or -s
2794[21:37:57] <TomTomTosch> cengizIO: a newer kernel /might/ help a bit with drivers that support p-states better. just as a last resort. you would want to do what jmcnaught said first.
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2796[21:38:02] <johnfg> replaced-url
2797[21:38:47] <wewlad> pharpend: <if you run 'apt-get install X', apt-get is entirely reasonable in assuming you want to install X> I'd like to unreason it in that matter. how do I do that?
2798[21:38:50] <pharpend> johnfg: I would say that 9.8G isn't enough for a root partition
2799[21:39:01] <pharpend> johnfg: er, a /var partition
2800[21:39:08] <pharpend> johnfg: But, you have a small disk, so I see why you did that
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2802[21:39:22] <jmcnaught> wewlad: by default it only prompts when there are dependencies. you could use --simulate to see what it will do
2803[21:39:25] <pharpend> wewlad: 'unreason' it?
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2805[21:39:35] <pharpend> wewlad: --simulate is the same as -s or --dry-run
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2807[21:39:57] <pharpend> wewlad: but, to more directly answer your question, I don't think there's a way to do that
2808[21:39:58] <jmcnaught> wewlad: have you checked out /usr/share/doc/apt/examples ?
2809[21:40:00] <wewlad> pharpend: I got it, but that's not what I want..
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2811[21:40:14] <pharpend> wewlad: You could use aptitude instead, it might prompt every time
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2813[21:40:43] <pharpend> wewlad: or just 'apt', or any of the 20 dozen tools that duplicate the functionality of apt-get
2814[21:40:44] <wewlad> pharpend: eh, new software... I was just getting used to apt-get...
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2817[21:41:09] <jmcnaught> pharpend: are you using any proprietary drivers? which kernel are you using?
2818[21:41:21] <pharpend> wewlad: the commands are the same for aptitude (mostly), it just includes a more powerful query system, and it bundles apt-get, apt-cache, apt-key, et al in one tool
2819[21:41:32] <johnfg> Seems to me that i had a similar problem before, since upgrading to jessie, but other than what I've done, I can't remember what I did or what was the culprit.
2820[21:41:45] <pharpend> jmcnaught: I might be... Linux tsarina 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2821[21:42:13] <jmcnaught> pharpend: well that's the stock jessie kernel. you don't remember if you installed nvidia drivers or fglrx?
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2823[21:42:22] <pharpend> jmcnaught: I don't think I did
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2826[21:42:53] <pharpend> jmcnaught: A quick glance at 'lsmod' seems like I'm using nouveau
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2828[21:42:59] <merpyyyy> How big keys does openssh support, want to type of key should i make to be safe ? Thanks a lot in advance!
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2830[21:43:30] <pharpend> merpyyyy: depends on the cipher scheme
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2833[21:43:57] <pharpend> merpyyyy: check out 'man ssh-keygen'
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2835[21:44:24] <merpyyyy> is Ed25519 the way to go ?
2836[21:44:51] <pharpend> jmcnaught: 'lsmod | grep -i nvidia' returns nothing
2837[21:44:58] <pharpend> merpyyyy: not if you're interacting with old servers
2838[21:45:10] <pharpend> merpyyyy: but 90% of servers probably do security updates
2839[21:45:37] <pharpend> merpyyyy: As a general rule, if Debian stable has some feature, most other distros will have it by then too
2840[21:45:39] <merpyyyy> ahh okay, i was thinking about using rsa
2841[21:46:11] <jmcnaught> pharpend: those messages should still be in syslog on your next boot, you might also consider enabling persistent journald so you can check the entries with "journalctl --boot -1". See systemd's README.Debian for how to enable persistent journald
2842[21:46:21] <merpyyyy> Sorry i am pretty new to all this but do debian support Ed25519
2843[21:46:32] <pharpend> merpyyyy: seems so
2844[21:46:37] <TomTomTosch> merpyyyy: yes
2845[21:46:40] <pharpend> merpyyyy: I'm on stable, my version supports it
2846[21:46:51] <wewlad> #winehq doesn't respond - does anyone know if I can run x32 and x64 programs with wine64 or do I need both wine64 and wine32 or they won't even sit well together on 1 system?
2847[21:47:09] <merpyyyy> very nice. do you know if it supports any key length ? like 20480 ?
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2850[21:47:54] <TomTomTosch> merpyyyy: it has a fixed key length in any implementation.
2851[21:48:13] <merpyyyy> okay :)
2852[21:48:38] <pharpend> wewlad: I don't know, I don't use wine. What do you need it for? There might be a better solution
2853[21:48:40] <jmcnaught> wewlad: i think this is covered in replaced-url
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2856[21:49:01] <merpyyyy> would you say that Ed25519 is pretty normal by now or should i keep using rsa or dsa ?
2857[21:49:43] <TomTomTosch> merpyyyy: rsa is probably most widely used. 2048 bits being default.
2858[21:50:05] <merpyyyy> i wonder if 2048 is too low if i should make it bigger
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2860[21:50:25] <TomTomTosch> making it bigger does not add much protection.
2861[21:50:25] <wewlad> pharpend: because I'm a windows fag (I'm trying to figure out whether debian can replace me windows) and I'd like to be able to run some of the programs I got used to/like/need/whatever.
2862[21:50:29] <wewlad> jmcnaught: thx
2863[21:50:54] <pharpend> wewlad: I haven't been in this channel long, but I think most Linux channels don't like that type of language.
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2865[21:51:02] <pharpend> wewlad: the notable exception is #archlinux and friends
2866[21:51:09] <merpyyyy> TomTomTosch okay maybe i should just go with rsa 2048 it is still better then a password login
2867[21:51:10] <jmcnaught> wewlad: please don't use the word "fag" here, this isn't 4chan and many see it as a homophobic slur
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2869[21:51:17] <wewlad> sorry
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2872[21:51:37] <TomTomTosch> merpyyyy: yes. it will be fine.
2873[21:51:40] <wewlad> I thought that's a ~ acceptable word
2874[21:51:48] <cengizIO> thank you TomTomTosch
2875[21:51:52] <wewlad> well, I'm a foreigner, after all, but that's no excuse
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2877[21:52:09] <jmcnaught> wewlad: no worries, now you know :)
2878[21:52:17] <pharpend> wewlad: Alright, then. I remember Wine as being quite a pain, but I haven't used it in a long time.
2879[21:52:20] <cengizIO> I just installed laptop-mode-utils which was missing. what do you think?
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2882[21:53:03] <Walakea> does the debian-modified linux kernel have an official name?
2883[21:53:08] <jmcnaught> cengizIO: is that a Debian package? where did you get it from?
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2885[21:53:32] <cengizIO> jmcnaught, yes it is. it's in stable
2886[21:53:39] <dutchfish> Walakea, you mean a debian stock kernel?
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2888[21:54:12] <Walakea> the kernel debian officialy uses that removed all non-free blobs
2889[21:54:25] <jmcnaught> ,v laptop-mode-utils
2890[21:54:27] <judd> No package named 'laptop-mode-utils' was found in amd64.
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2892[21:54:35] <jmcnaught> cengizIO: no it's not ^^
2893[21:54:39] <TomTomTosch> ,v laptop-mode-tools
2894[21:54:41] <judd> Package: laptop-mode-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.55-2; wheezy: 1.61-2; jessie: 1.66-2; stretch: 1.69.2-1; sid: 1.69.2-1
2895[21:54:44] <TomTomTosch> this?
2896[21:54:49] <cengizIO> jmcnaught, my bad. it's laptop-mode-tools
2897[21:54:58] <jmcnaught> aha!
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2899[21:55:12] <dutchfish> Walakea, well a debian kernel start with linux-image* ; the firmware is in separate pakages
2900[21:55:21] <dutchfish> ,kernel
2901[21:55:22] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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2903[21:56:58] <dutchfish> Walakea, so `aptitude search linux-image` will list what kernel are in the repository for your architecture.
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2905[21:57:15] <Walakea> dutchfish i am not asking about package name, but generally if it has an official name
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2907[21:57:22] <Walakea> like debian kernel
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2910[21:58:02] <Walakea> it is a unique piece of software after all
2911[21:58:04] <jmcnaught> Walakea: no, not very many things in Debian use a different name than upstream
2912[21:58:18] <dutchfish> Walakea, its referred to as stock kernel; it has no special name other then its version and is prepackaged by the debian kernel team
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2914[21:58:49] <Walakea> thanks
2915[21:59:19] <dutchfish> Walakea, here is an overview of the current states replaced-url
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2917[22:00:06] <Walakea> man, i hate my wifi card
2918[22:00:13] <cengizIO> well this is confusing. there is `pm-utils` and `laptop-mode-tools` which it seems, conflict with each other.
2919[22:00:31] <cengizIO> Walakea, is it broadcom?
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2921[22:00:44] <Walakea> mediatek MT7630E
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2924[22:01:18] <Walakea> i only got it working via some software i found on internet which was inteded for Ubuntu
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2927[22:01:33] <Walakea> i needed to do some dkms-ing
2928[22:01:52] <dka> is there a way to block the port range [31000-32000] for a specific interface (eth0). What is the recommended way to do it ?
2929[22:01:55] <Walakea> but it only works with the 3.XX kernel
2930[22:02:09] <cengizIO> Walakea, mine is broadcom 4360 which is problematic even its official os.
2931[22:02:26] <Walakea> the OS subbests firmware-realtek
2932[22:02:27] <cengizIO> dka, iptables?
2933[22:02:31] <Walakea> *suggests
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2936[22:03:13] <dka> cengizIO, i can't find anything in the doc
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2940[22:04:38] <cengizIO> dka have a shot at this: replaced-url
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2942[22:05:06] <markybob> dka: also iptables support is in #netfilter
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2950[22:11:00] <Kaylas> i have tryed to stop the lightdm and start using the optirun
2951[22:11:02] <Kaylas> but don't work
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2953[22:11:16] <tumble_> hi guys, I'm running debian sid and after the last update my gnome keeps crashing/"disappearing" (I need to switch to a different tty to get vision again). in the syslog I see replaced-url
2954[22:11:19] <Kaylas> then i've try to edit the xorg but don't work
2955[22:11:26] <tumble_> any ideas in what direction I could search or whether this is a known issue?
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2957[22:11:40] <markybob> tumble_: wrong place. #debian-next on oftc per /topic
2958[22:12:17] <tumble_> alright, ty
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2961[22:14:20] <Walakea> i am running debian stable and i found out that quite many times a window crashes when i try to do something (like libreoffice); by quite many times i mean maybe two times per month but such things havent happened to me in windows, should i blame X?
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2963[22:14:44] <Walakea> i meant the the program crashes
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3002[22:43:40] <codebam> so I added the debian repos to a distro with its own sources because I wanted access to all the debian arm packages. The problem is that I cant install the keyring package because I cant sync. Is there a force option for apt-get update?
3003[22:44:47] <jmcnaught> codebam: #debian doesn't support other distros. doing something like this will end with messy frankendebian system, an unsupportable hybrid of two distros
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3008[22:47:19] <him11235> codebam, why use apt to access debian arm packages?
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3010[22:48:28] <him11235> apt should be used for the running system only
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3019[22:52:08] <codebam> him1123: Im on android using an app called termux which supplies a linux environment without a chroot
3020[22:52:32] <codebam> jmcnaught: oh okay
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3022[22:53:51] <codebam> is there a way to ignore gpg public keys when doing apt update though?
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3025[22:54:49] <jmcnaught> codebam: check the man page, and seek support in termux's support channel/forum
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3028[22:55:47] <him11235> avoid doing insecure downloads of packages
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3030[22:56:01] <codebam> jmcnaught: Okay, and I have already done the latter. Thanks
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3032[22:56:33] <codebam> him11235: agreed, I'd just be doing it so that I can download the keyring though
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3034[22:57:26] <him11235> try '--allow-unauthenticated'
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3041[22:59:36] <jmcnaught> him11235: codebam: for real though, we don't support anything but actual Debian in this channel because we don't know what's different about your other distro and we don't want to give destructive advice. also it's off-topic. please move the non-Debian support elsewhere
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3043[22:59:50] <him11235> got it
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3051[23:07:04] <codebam> jmcnaught: Okay cool, didn't mean to bother you guys with non-debian related problems. Thanks for your help though!
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3055[23:09:30] <jmcnaught> codebam: you could try ##linux
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3063[23:14:49] <codebam> jmcnaught: Cool, thanks. I'll try that.
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3075[23:24:56] <dondon> is there an easy way to list orphaned packages. i know apt-get autoremove will prompt if i want to remove them, but i would like a command that just spits them out
3076[23:25:00] <dondon> *?
3077[23:25:39] <Walex> dondon: yes
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3085[23:27:52] <dondon> Walex: hooray. how might i do this?
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3112[23:38:40] <reisio> jmcnaught: hi
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3114[23:38:55] <jmcnaught> reisio: yes?
3115[23:39:05] <reisio> hello I said
3116[23:39:20] <jmcnaught> reisio: do you need help or something?
3117[23:39:29] <reisio> mmm, not particularly
3118[23:39:46] <reisio> people who say hi to you normally need help?
3119[23:40:22] <him11235> it is a chat afterall
3120[23:40:37] <wewlad> I call it 'online support'
3121[23:40:38] <wewlad> :)
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3123[23:40:59] <reisio> I might argue it's both of those :p
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3125[23:41:07] <jmcnaught> reisio: this is a support channel, if you're lonely and want to chat you do it in #debian-offtopic, but i'm not particularly interested in chatting with you after being called a moron multiple times
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3127[23:41:27] * reisio shrugs
3128[23:41:33] <reisio> I don't want to chat with you either
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3130[23:41:47] <wewlad> then you should unhi him
3131[23:42:00] <ltl> jmcnaught: reisio is a regular, just being cordial
3132[23:42:32] <jmcnaught> ltl: he was calling me a moron in ##linux multiple times for pointing out that #debian is not the place to refer non-Debian apt users
3133[23:42:37] <reisio> ltl: you look like the symbol for egyptian walking
3134[23:43:03] <reisio> jmcnaught: multiple times is the appropriate amount for multiple instances :p
3135[23:43:03] <ltl> jmcnaught: oh, hrm.
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3139[23:43:23] <LtL> reisio: better?
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3141[23:43:28] <reisio> hrmmm
3142[23:43:38] <reisio> now you look like the japanese version of the symbol for egyptian walking, heheh
3143[23:43:59] <reisio> you look more capitaly, though
3144[23:43:59] <jmcnaught> reisio: this isn't ##linux, please keep it on the topic of Debian support
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3147[23:44:16] <reisio> jmcnaught: this isn't ##linux?
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3149[23:45:43] <teraflops> hmm
3150[23:46:42] <wewlad> is there any solution for the following..? Sometimes I need to make the output of some command in terminal be persistently shown so that I could write something else (multiple times) while looking at it.
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3152[23:47:07] <reisio> wewlad: screen/tmux
3153[23:47:20] <wewlad> reisio: how is it done there?
3154[23:47:32] <reisio> you could make it the screen title, or just have it in another region
3155[23:47:40] <reisio> history | tail -1
3156[23:47:46] <reisio> tail -2 :p
3157[23:47:49] <codebam> I installed a debian chroot now haha
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3159[23:47:55] <codebam> :)
3160[23:48:02] <wewlad> title bar is too small for that
3161[23:48:11] <wewlad> another region seems nice
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3163[23:48:31] <reisio> wewlad: cute approach here: replaced-url
3164[23:48:42] <reisio> codebam: what's that get you?
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3167[23:49:04] <wewlad> reisio: that's not what I need, since it won't work if I execute 2 commands
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3169[23:49:22] <codebam> reisio: a real debian environment? what do you mean?
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3171[23:49:34] <reisio> wewlad: mmmm
3172[23:49:40] <reisio> wewlad: could temporarily export it into your PS1
3173[23:49:47] <reisio> codebam: that's what I meant
3174[23:49:52] <wewlad> I mean I'd like to make 'ls /this' results always visible, but then I need to try different stuff like 'cat that' 'cat nocatthat'
3175[23:49:57] <codebam> oh okay
3176[23:50:01] <wewlad> what's PS1?
3177[23:50:04] <reisio> wewlad: oh, yeah I'd use screen for that
3178[23:50:13] <reisio> wewlad: echo $PS1; it's your prompt
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3180[23:50:16] <reisio> screen's more suitable
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3182[23:50:30] <wewlad> \s-\v\$
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3184[23:50:34] <wewlad> wut's that?
3185[23:50:48] <wewlad> oh, I guess it's a code for titlebar's text
3186[23:51:07] <reisio> \s is the shell name, \v is the version
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3188[23:51:18] <reisio> $ is just tradition (for non-root [# for root])
3189[23:51:23] <wewlad> nah, titlebar solutions don't suit me
3190[23:51:32] <wewlad> what if I want 'tree dir'?
3191[23:51:37] <reisio> well it's also the prompt before where you type
3192[23:51:41] <reisio> but yeah, screen's more suitable
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3195[23:52:01] <wewlad> do both screen and tmux have that?
3196[23:52:19] <reisio> regions? Yeah
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3198[23:52:30] <reisio> and there are gui workalikes like byobu
3199[23:52:40] <reisio> if you like that sort of thing...
3200[23:52:47] <wewlad> who the hell thought naming an util with something like 'screen' was a good idea? how am I supposed to google that?
3201[23:53:17] <jmcnaught> wewlad: "gnu screen"
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3203[23:53:46] <dm7freek> wewlad: maybe thats why the project is essentially dead
3204[23:53:48] <wewlad> jmcnaught: thanks, this way is better
3205[23:54:08] <wewlad> dm7freek: so it's dead already? and what about tmux?
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3207[23:54:23] <wewlad> I prefer to use something alive...
3208[23:55:04] <dm7freek> wewlad: many people see tmux as a replacement for screen... it is very much alive afaik
3209[23:55:25] <dm7freek> replaced-url
3210[23:55:27] <markybob> how is gnu screen dead? i just looked at the repository
3211[23:55:33] <markybob> updated 3 weeks ago
3212[23:55:44] <jmcnaught> screen is still alive, the version in jessie isn't even the most recent
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3214[23:56:57] <reisio> it is hard to search for :/
3215[23:56:58] <teraflops> markybob: xchat2 is pretty dead too ^
3216[23:57:13] <wewlad> byobu has a video demo, it bought me
3217[23:57:19] <reisio> markybob: it isn't of course :)
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3219[23:58:32] <wewlad> reisio: thanks for telling about byoubu
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3222[23:59:19] <reisio> that's how I'm going to spell it now
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