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146 [01:30:44] <ookella> Is there a way run a graphical software
not loading desktop envioronment?
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156 [01:40:11] <hanasaki> how would I diagnose and fix the
following ... most web sites are fine.. both http and https ... when
logging into the verizon wifi router over LAN, login fails when
going through squid and succeeds direct if squid is bypassed.
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159 [01:41:13] <hanasaki> I should add.... it works with squid...
it does not work with squid transparent proxy... always says login
failed
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202 [02:14:59] <Clone_3> HELP! THE ALIENS ARE COMING!
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206 [02:15:42] <Clone_0> This channel
207 [02:15:46] <Clone_1> is now
208 [02:16:01] <Clone_2> CLONE INFESTED
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216 [02:17:41] <shadoxx> AH CRAP
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219 [02:17:51] <shadoxx> they told us it would happen but we
didn't believe them. now clones.
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223 [02:18:51] <somiaj> shadoxx: no need toadd more noise.
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227 [02:20:17] <somiaj> hanasaki: is this an
replaced-url
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299 [02:57:48] <DatMale21> hi, i have fought with my setup all
day long.. first "ops something went wrong" (GUI
problem...) what so ever, i have a other problem right now: i can
connect to my network, get a IP from dhcp *fine* ehm.. but i have no
internet access on the device, but there are internet on the router
since i am able to send this message... what should i do. also it
would be difficult for me to provide you with logs, since i would
have to copy them to a usb stick.
300 [02:59:10] <th0r> DatMale21, are you getting dns server
addresses from the dhcp server as well?
301 [03:00:08] <DatMale21> i made a start up script (rc.local)
that would copy resolv.conf_original to resolv.conf (overwrite it
with the dns server i would like to use)
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303 [03:00:38] <DatMale21> BUT it is the same dns as there are
located on the router.. so it wouldn't matter anyway :)\
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305 [03:00:52] <somiaj> DatMale21: ping 8.8.8.8 does that return
anything? what about pinging the ip of your router? What is the
output of route, did your default route get setup?
306 [03:01:11] <somiaj> can you ping the ip of the interface dhcp
gave it
307 [03:01:41] <DatMale21> ping duckduckgo.com > ping: unknown
host duckduckgo.com, ping 8.8.8.8 > connect: Network is
unreachable
308 [03:01:56] <DatMale21> ping 192.168.0.1 works
309 [03:02:06] <DatMale21> so do the ip it gave me
310 [03:02:44] <DatMale21> is network manager to blame?
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313 [03:04:36] <DatMale21> gateway huh?
314 [03:05:11] <theluckymike> try traceroute
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316 [03:06:23] <DatMale21> how do i find gateway on this device
by using the terminal?
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318 [03:06:53] <theluckymike> did you tell us what device you are
talking about ?
319 [03:06:54] <theluckymike> ip r
320 [03:07:00] <theluckymike> or route -n
321 [03:07:13] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Does anyone know where the
current configuration file layout for Apache came from? Did Debian
developers decide to do it that way, or was it from somewhere else?
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323 [03:07:35] <DatMale21> gateway should be 192.168.0.1 by
normal right?
324 [03:07:45] <theluckymike> there is no normal, it can be
anything
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328 [03:08:07] <theluckymike> but deftaults tend to be
192.168.0.1 or 1.1 pr 254, etc
329 [03:08:08] <theluckymike> or *
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331 [03:08:12] <DatMale21> ..... it should be the same as
replaced-url
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333 [03:08:17] <theluckymike> y
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335 [03:08:50] <DatMale21> BINGO
336 [03:09:04] <DatMale21> somiaj ^ :*
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338 [03:09:21] <DatMale21> route add default gw 192.168.0.1 (in
my example)
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341 [03:10:03] <Lady_Aleena> I would like to know where to go to
verify I have my Apache configuration files set up correctly. I just
don't know where to go where people there will actually give
rewrites instead of sending me to an overly technical explanation
somewhere.
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360 [03:17:50] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: it is a combination between
apache/httpd's upstream config and debian additions. I think
apache ships with a default config, so any changes to it by debian
are most likely in debian patches you could see in the soruce
package. changelog is also useful to check.
361 [03:18:16] <DatMale21> guys i where told that every thing in
debian was free( as in freedom), hmm.. how come that there is a line
of text that says something about CopyRights, All Rights Reserved.
+_+ ?
362 [03:18:31] <somiaj> !dfsg
363 [03:18:31] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
replaced-url
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365 [03:18:44] <DatMale21> but.. ehm
366 [03:18:53] <somiaj> DatMale21: copyrights are okay, provided
one is free to do thigns that meet the DFSG.
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368 [03:19:41] <somiaj> you can read that for what freedoms are
given for packages in main. Also where are you ssing these
copyrights and all rights reserved?
369 [03:19:47] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I just wish there were a way
to make sure I have apache set up as it should be. I've been
poking and hoping every step of the way.
370 [03:20:38] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: The debian defaults should
be a sane place to start.
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373 [03:21:45] <Lady_Aleena> For example, to get browsers to see
my local perl libs, I added SetEnv PERL5LIB /home/me/perl5/lib/perl5
directly to apache2.conf. I don't know if that is where it
belongs or not.
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376 [03:22:39] <DatMale21> Why is it called copyright, i alway
thought copyright had something to do with the fact that you may not
modify or distribute it because, ehm COPYRIGHTS.. isn't the
meaning of FREEdom something to do with the fact that you are free
to do with it as you want? including modify and or distribute it
377 [03:22:50] <DatMale21> or am i just a dumb retard
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379 [03:23:27] <Lady_Aleena> I have a feeling it doesn't
belong there, because if there were a system with lots of users each
with their own local libs, apache2.conf would be loaded with SetEnv
PERL5LIB lines. And how would apache know which local libs go with
which user?
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381 [03:24:21] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: that is fine, for the most
part it depends on how you want to originize your configs.
382 [03:24:55] <Lady_Aleena> And how does one set up multiple
users which their localhost?
383 [03:25:04] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: Some things the order in
which it is read in the config chain (first apache2.conf then all of
the other configs for moudles and domains) you just need to ensure
it is in order or in the correct group.
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385 [03:25:26] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you mean virtual domains, so
like foo1.com and foo2.com would have different roots for the html
files?
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387 [03:25:39] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: or do you mean enable the
public_html directories, so users can be in domain.com/~username
388 [03:25:55] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, like users foo, bar, baz,
qux, etcetera.
389 [03:25:59] <somiaj> DatMale21:
replaced-url
390 [03:26:18] <DatMale21> btw while i am here, how do i get some
graphic card drivers installed that are 100% free such as
bumblebee.. when i type apt install bumblebee primus it do noooooot
do anything else then display two lines of text that says that it
was unable to locate packages
391 [03:26:26] <uxfi> hi good friends
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393 [03:26:28] <somiaj> DatMale21: some consider the gru (I think
copyleft is a term) to restrivitve and have a more free license,
like the triditional bsd one.
394 [03:26:51] <somiaj> DatMale21: bumblebee and primus will need
the non-free drivers most likely.
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396 [03:27:25] <somiaj> DatMale21: so if you need to use those
for optimus technology, the free nouveau drivers just wno't be
able to do that.
397 [03:27:28] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, however, DatMale21's
problem looks more urgent than this.
398 [03:27:54] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: more than one conversation
can go on.
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402 [03:28:17] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I don't want to
overload you.
403 [03:28:29] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: but giving users public_html
directories located at domain.com/~username is a fairly easy thing
to setup in apache, it might be setup already, or you just have to
uncomment to config.
404 [03:28:58] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: virtual domains aren't
to difficult either, you just have to basically configure each one
with about 5-10 lines each (for a simple case)
405 [03:29:00] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, right now I have
/home/me/Documents/fantasy as the directory for localhost.
406 [03:29:14] <DatMale21> Lady_Aleene what
407 [03:29:44] <uxfi> ho DatMale21
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411 [03:30:40] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: and what you would like?
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413 [03:31:22] <Lady_Aleena> Here is my
/etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf:
replaced-url
414 [03:31:25] <DatMale21> uxfi :S?
415 [03:32:12] <DatMale21> u guys are cruel, one calls me ho and
other calls me retard > however, DatMale21's problem looks
more urgent than this.
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418 [03:33:04] <Lady_Aleena> But I added similar lines in
/etc/apache2/apache2.conf:
replaced-url
419 [03:33:06] <somiaj> DatMale21: if you still have a question
just ask. But you won't get bumblbee or priums with purely free
software I belive.
420 [03:33:35] <DatMale21> somiaj is kind, alright.. bumblebee
looks nice tho.. anyway nouveau?
421 [03:33:48] <somiaj> DatMale21: nouveau is the open driver for
nvidia gpu's
422 [03:34:07] <DatMale21> Lady_Aleena, why u so mean? :S
423 [03:34:13] <Lady_Aleena> DatMale21, huh?
424 [03:34:28] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: one is a default, one
affects the VirtualHost *:80 domains, which also is any domain name
425 [03:34:38] <DatMale21> ... and other calls me retard >
however, DatMale21's problem looks more urgent than this.
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427 [03:35:14] <DatMale21> nouveau is non-free, but that does not
mean that it is closed source?
428 [03:35:24] <Lady_Aleena> DatMale21, I was giving you
precedence!
429 [03:35:28] <DatMale21> ...*is nouveau close source?
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431 [03:35:59] <Lady_Aleena> I don't have a domain name.
432 [03:36:16] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: Though in that case in this
case you don't need both, and keeping them in your 000-default
file is the design of the debian configs so you can add/remove sites
as needed and all the info about that virtual host is stored in one
spot
433 [03:36:18] <DatMale21> by calling me a retard? :S
434 [03:37:02] <somiaj> DatMale21: you were not called that.
Please drop this and stick to support. Nouveau is open (it is in
main and meets the DSFG), as I said nouveau is the open driver for
nvidia gpu's
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439 [03:37:52] <somiaj> arg DFSG
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442 [03:39:15] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: apache like many other
configs can either all be put in one large file or split into
multiple files. Splitting them in multiple files has its advantage,
but in this case for a single site you may use them.
443 [03:39:41] <somiaj> I mean may not use the advantages and
just see multiple config files to edit.
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445 [03:40:16] <somiaj> At some level it is a matter of choice of
how you want to orginize these configs, for in the future you may
have to find and modify them.
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449 [03:43:13] <Lady_Aleena> So, take out the <Directory
/home/me/Documents/fantasy/> block out of apache2.conf since it
is set up in 000-default.conf?
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451 [03:44:23] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: correct, it isn't
needed in both places. The only harm it would cause if you wnat to
change the settings, for example I like -Indexes, I don't think
changing it in apache.conf would have any affect becuse
000-default.conf is read afterwards, and would change it back.
452 [03:44:44] <somiaj> and the harm would be frustration
wondering why the change didn't take affect.
453 [03:45:11] <Lady_Aleena> I have indexes in the
000-default.conf file.
454 [03:45:40] * Lady_Aleena sighs and goes directory hopping.
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457 [03:46:00] <somiaj> correct, but if you change Indexs to
-Indexes in the apache.conf file, it woudlnt' turn them off
because the 000-default.conf file would be read after and turn them
back on
458 [03:46:06] <DatMale21> Lady_Aleena sorry........ :(
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461 [03:47:06] <DatMale21> i know this might be irrelevant but..
i am using ubuntu-mate live cd on this device, (debian on the one i
needed to fix) anyhow. when loading
462 [03:47:11] <DatMale21> ..2 sec
463 [03:47:12] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, okay. Now, should I move
SetEnv PERL5LIB in 000-default too?
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465 [03:47:28] <dogui> Hi, anyone running debian on thinkpad?
T470s, by chance?
466 [03:48:18] <ch3353r1> T410 here
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468 [03:49:24] <dogui> I'm having trouble with my network
card, the installer doesn't detect it
469 [03:49:34] <dogui> I think neither the wired nor the
wireless.. is this common?
470 [03:50:01] <DatMale21> this site..
replaced-url
471 [03:50:01] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: Your choice. In this case it
matters if you want that to only affect your main (and only) virtual
host or the whole server. If you what I would do, most likely leave
it in apache.conf.
472 [03:50:07] <DatMale21> must tell ubuntu-mate
473 [03:50:14] <Lady_Aleena> Well, taking those lines out of
apache2.conf just killed my localhost.
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476 [03:50:36] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: do you have 000-default.conf
linked in sites-enabled?
477 [03:50:48] <Lady_Aleena> Unless there is something else I
need in 000-default.
478 [03:51:05] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, yes
479 [03:51:33] <Lady_Aleena> I just refreshed
replaced-url
480 [03:51:51] <Lady_Aleena> It looks like 000-defailt.conf has
been doing nothing this entire time.
481 [03:52:23] <somiaj> I'd have to install apache to see
it, don't have it installed at the moment.
482 [03:53:14] <somiaj> hmm, I'm surprised it did that.
483 [03:53:17] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, well, I don't know what
to do now other than add the lines back into apache2.conf.
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486 [03:53:55] <Lady_Aleena> Unless the addy I'm supposed to
use in the browser isn't
replaced-url
487 [03:55:36] <somiaj> that should be fine. Let me fire up a vm
and test something.
488 [03:56:08] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, okay.
489 [03:57:59] <somiaj> can you check /var/log/apache2/error.log
490 [03:58:03] <awal1> theluckymike, I confess I am not fmiliar
with "ip", I usually use netstat or route, but I
don't see "r"option in ip man.
491 [03:58:20] <somiaj> ip allows you to shorten things
492 [03:58:24] <awal1> well, it works, just wondering why I
don't see it in man
493 [03:58:40] <somiaj> so if you wanted the address, you can
type ip address, ip addr, ip a, ip ad, ip addre
494 [03:58:49] <somiaj> so if you want to do ip route, ip r, i
rou
495 [03:58:59] <somiaj> and the manpage says what ip route does
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497 [03:59:45] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
498 [03:59:55] <DatMale21> is debian shipped with firefox, and if
i would strongly suggest you to exchange it with icecat in next
release.. firefox do NOT respect their users privacy, by making
HEALTH REPORT/CRASH REPORT enabled by default when installed, also
they use google as search engine as default, and even when you
change it to duckduckgo, your startup page will still be google
search modified to not look like google.,... reeeeee...
499 [04:00:10] <awal1> ok, I go it, I don't knew about that
shorting . ok, thanks somiaj
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502 [04:01:02] <DatMale21> icecat is a super browser, i think its
the best one i have ever seen actually.. its gnu, its respected by
fsf
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505 [04:02:55] <somiaj> DatMale21: debian is no longer in the
game of unbranding firefox, but debian still builds firefox
differentlly than mozilla. If you think a feature debian builds
firefox with doens't meet the DFSG file a bug.
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508 [04:03:14] <somiaj> DatMale21: icecat isn't in debian,
though one could build it themselves if one really wanted.
509 [04:03:41] <somiaj> DatMale21: but not all features shipped
with the offical binary are enabled in debian's package.
510 [04:04:06] <DatMale21> i really want (YOU) to bring it to
life in the next release <3
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512 [04:04:17] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, the last line tells me
nothing, did it tell you something?
replaced-url
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515 [04:05:02] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: what error do you get when
trying to connect that way?
516 [04:05:14] <DatMale21> wew.. NOUVEAU COMES WITH DRM :S is
there any other drivers i could use, perhaps vesa???
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518 [04:05:46] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I don't get an error, I
just get a pop-up in my browser asking if I want to download the
file.
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520 [04:08:19] <awal1> DatMale21, I always have a custom config
for firefox (ex-iceweasel), but I think you are wrong about
'health report', it is not enabled by default
521 [04:08:24] <Lady_Aleena> It looks like 000-default is either
not being read, or I have it misconfigured.
522 [04:08:37] <awal1> I think it is not even present as an
option in settings
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524 [04:09:20] <awal1> not sure about crash report.
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527 [04:11:41] <ch3353r1> @doggui is it a firmware message? If so
skip it, say no and check if it doesn't work anyhow. Did it for
me.
528 [04:11:45] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: hmm, means apache is
confused and not running the scripts.
529 [04:11:59] <DatMale21> well, alright (it is on windows,
ubuntu-mate and any other system i have installed it on, long time
since i used debian so i can't really tell whats it has enabled
or not, i just assumed that it had since any other.....) it still
has some reports enabled by default, and it sends sensitive data to
the developers, who does god know with it ....
530 [04:12:22] <themill> DatMale21: is there a problem with
having a Direct Rendering Manager so that you can do fast rendering?
531 [04:12:57] <DatMale21> as long as its OPENSOURCE do not have
DRM and do not send any info, its alright
532 [04:13:19] <somiaj> DatMale21: did you read the DFSG I linked
you?
533 [04:13:32] <DatMale21> i was to busy, i will do it now sir
534 [04:14:50] <somiaj> DatMale21: software in debian adhears to
that policy. It is a bug and should be filed if software in main
doesn't meet the DFSG. Debian use to distribute iceweasel
instead of firefox until recentlly.
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537 [04:15:33] <DatMale21> did debian got sold out?
538 [04:15:40] <somiaj> DatMale21: Debian isn't endorsed by
the fsf though due to we also provide contrib and non-free repos
(sepearted from main).
539 [04:15:47] <somiaj> DatMale21: no debian did not get sold
out.
540 [04:16:07] <DatMale21> why move to firefox then...
541 [04:17:02] <somiaj> !firefox
542 [04:17:02] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was
known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not
permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now
available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable>
follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest
versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
543 [04:17:05] <awal1> I just checked firefox setting. in data
choice section effectively health report and crash report are
present but disabled by default. firefox asks the user about them at
first run (ask if he want to enable/disable)
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545 [04:17:50] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, do I need to set up a server
name in 000-default?
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548 [04:18:47] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: it is fine to set it there.
549 [04:19:05] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: did you figure out why it
wouldn't run your scripts, or did you just move everything back
to apache2.conf
550 [04:19:06] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, can I take localhost, or
does it go to somewhere else?
551 [04:19:16] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I haven't put it back
yet.
552 [04:19:17] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: localhost works just fine.
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554 [04:19:53] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: in terms of options and
permsisions those directory lines can go anywhere, I'm unsure
why apache is no longer running the perl scripts though.
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556 [04:20:41] <Lady_Aleena> Nope, still doesn't open with
the directory only being in 000-default.
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559 [04:21:26] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: in this case I would just
return 000-default back to the minimial settings and put all your
configs in apache2.conf
560 [04:21:31] <Lady_Aleena> I have a feeling it is the
<VirtualHost *:80> tag.
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562 [04:21:46] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: all that means is those
settings apply to any domain name.
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567 [04:24:01] <DatMale21> Lady_Aleena: it asks its user, but
with very small text, almost not noticeable..
568 [04:24:02] <Lady_Aleena> How do I paste mulitple lines of
text?
569 [04:24:26] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: from what?
570 [04:24:50] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, geany.
571 [04:25:12] <Lady_Aleena> Or Firefox.
572 [04:25:41] <Lady_Aleena> I did alt-v, but it pasted my lines
in front of other lines, it did not move lines down.
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574 [04:25:56] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: X uses two differetn clip
boards, usually select, then middle mouse click will paste. Though
many apps accept ctrl-v, ctrl-c commands (which is a different
clipboard)
575 [04:26:07] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: what are you pasting into?
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577 [04:26:28] <Lady_Aleena> nano
578 [04:26:32] <DatMale21> is there any drivers out there that
does not have DRM, is open source, and can be used to drive nvidia
chips/graphic cards?
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582 [04:26:55] <somiaj> DatMale21: I have answered this multiple
times. nouveau.
583 [04:27:08] <DatMale21> but.. ehm.. it says that it uses drm
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586 [04:27:27] <somiaj> the card itself as drm on it.
587 [04:27:37] <Lady_Aleena> I'm going to have to retype all
of this the long way.
588 [04:28:07] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: depending on the terminal,
newline characters are sometimes not nicely coppied.
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590 [04:28:50] <DatMale21> can i disable it anyhow?
591 [04:28:55] <awal1> DatMale21, people caring about ther
privacy/security usually have custom config for everything , so that
pop-up bar in bottom of firefox window is enough for them I guess.
regular users is another story, they don't really care about
all what you are talkng about. those feature also can help mozilla
and the developement of firefox. I personally find debian choice,
disable and ask the end user, correct :P
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595 [04:30:15] <DatMale21> i did not. understand. this I
personally find debian choice, disable and ask the end user, correct
:P
596 [04:30:57] <Lady_Aleena> Yep, 000-default.conf does
absolutely nothing.
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598 [04:32:10] <awal1> DatMale21, if I was an architect I will
have to chose between using windows somehow + autocad or do another
job and don't use windows+autocad. that will be a hard choice
:P
599 [04:33:14] <DatMale21> what can't iceweasel/icecat not
do that firefox can :D
600 [04:33:53] <Lady_Aleena> And that means I can't set up
any other directories on my computer to run like localhost.
601 [04:34:11] <DatMale21> should i follow this guide on how to
install nouveau? it does not make it clear how to do so.. it mostly
talks about nvidia..
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602 [04:34:36] <somiaj> nouveau will be the default driver used
if you have a nvidia card. You may not have to do anything
603 [04:35:09] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: it does something. It was
working for the most part, the issue was something with running the
perl script.
604 [04:35:31] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: but for a single server case
it does very little and is not needed
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607 [04:35:42] <awal1> DatMale21, completely free is a nice
conviction/ideal, but not always possible. I personally find debian
choice very correct and wise. many people need non-free stuff for
personal reasons, work, hardware... I'm just talking general,
firefox is a detail
608 [04:35:45] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I put the directory
information back into apache2.conf, and all is well.
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611 [04:36:24] <Lady_Aleena> But that means 000-default.conf is
doing nothing for me.
612 [04:36:28] <DatMale21> well.. do i need nouveau to display
graphic user interface GUI?
613 [04:36:34] <awal1> there you have one of the meanings of
" debian universal"
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615 [04:36:52] <Lady_Aleena> And that means I will not be able to
set up another directory to be something like localhost2.
616 [04:37:04] <awal1> universal operating system :)
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618 [04:37:09] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: yea, I would just keep it
there as the minial file it came with in default, and just put your
configs in apache2.conf.
619 [04:37:23] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: oh you will be able to, you
can have the settings in both places.
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621 [04:38:05] <somiaj> DatMale21: there is vesa, but that would
be slow. nouveau is the suggested driver for nvidia cards and in
debian main.
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623 [04:38:15] <somiaj> DatMale21: which means it should meet the
dfsg if you trust debian.
624 [04:38:27] <viscera> Is it dh that applies the patches to
this package?
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626 [04:38:42] <somiaj> and by default it will be running on
nvidia cards (newer cards may need the driver/kernel from
jessie-backports though)
627 [04:38:46] <DatMale21> ALRIGHT THEN! WILL TRY! well,.., ehm..
ok
628 [04:38:54] <viscera> i.e. I see a bunch of patches --
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629 [04:39:04] <DatMale21> so follow this guide and i will end up
with nouveau?
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630 [04:39:43] <somiaj> DatMale21: What about 'by default it
should be using nouveau' didn't you get?
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632 [04:40:52] <somiaj> viscera: the rules only contains
overrides to the dh_foo commands that are run. quilt applies the
packages in there, not exactly sure which part though.
633 [04:40:56] <DatMale21> oh sorry ok
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635 [04:41:26] <viscera> somiaj: as in dh calls quilt?
636 [04:42:07] <somiaj> viscera: dh applies the patches, and
depending on configurtion I think passes this off to quilt. I
dont' think all packages use quilt though, there is a setting
somewhere in debian/ for this.
637 [04:42:09] <DatMale21> oh my.. lspci -nn | grep VGA tells me
Intel Corporation Device
638 [04:42:52] <somiaj> DatMale21: optimus is a different story.
I am unsure if that is possible without the non-free drivers.
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640 [04:43:34] <hanasaki> somiaj:
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642 [04:46:31] <somiaj> viscera: dh_quilt_patch and
dh_quilt_unpatch
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644 [04:46:38] <hanasaki> somiaj: squid. I think from the config
its just http since httpS cannot be proxied without the bump ssl....
right? the firewall is doing NAT right now so I suspect that https
is just being NATed??? The firewall is just doing -t nat -i eth0 -A
PREROUTING -p TCP --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 with SQUID
doing http_port 3128 transparent
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647 [04:47:30] <somiaj> hanasaki: I've lost track of your
issue, but my vague recoletion was you mentioned something about
logging in and made me think of issues with an ssl proxy.
648 [04:47:43] <somiaj> I don't really know proxys that well
so unsure how much help I can be.
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650 [04:48:33] <hanasaki> somiaj: squid as http proxy transparent
cannot login to webpage... as http not transparent .. can login
651 [04:49:02] <hanasaki> I don't think squid in deb 7 or 8
is complied to allow httpS or SSL bump.. right?
652 [04:49:04] <somiaj> hanasaki: have you tried a squid channel?
653 [04:49:14] <somiaj> that may be the case
654 [04:49:16] <somiaj> ,v squid
655 [04:49:18] <hanasaki> yes... its crickets in there
656 [04:49:38] <allan_wind> Should I use the long or short lived
branch of the nvidia driver?
657 [04:49:56] <judd> Package: squid on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u2;
stretch: 3.5.23-3; sid: 3.5.23-3
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659 [04:50:33] <somiaj> allan_wind: What do you mean by those two
branches?
660 [04:51:13] <allan_wind> somiaj: nvidia offers two latest
branches of their binary graphics drivers, I know it's only
sorta related to debian, currently 375.66 and 381.22
661 [04:51:26] <somiaj> allan_wind: you want to install neither
662 [04:51:34] <somiaj> allan_wind: you the nvidia driver
provided by debian.
663 [04:51:51] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
664 [04:51:52] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 375.39-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free:
375.39-1; sid/non-free: 375.39-1
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667 [04:52:04] <somiaj> 375.39 is what you can get in
jessie-backports.
668 [04:52:12] <allan_wind> k, answered my q, thx
669 [04:52:19] <somiaj> though if the 340.102 works, you can use
that too
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673 [04:54:14] <viscera> somiaj: but if debian/rules doesn't
call dh_quilt_* or patching it manually using patch(1) then the
patches are present but not applied, right?
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678 [04:54:58] <somiaj> viscera: they should be applied during
the build process. I cannot find the exact point, but you should see
this in the build log
679 [04:55:08] <viscera> somiaj: ok thanks
680 [04:55:31] <Lady_Aleena> Does anyone know how to get to all
the names I used when setting up debian?
681 [04:56:42] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: /etc/hosts is where the
domain name is, and /etc/hostname is where your hostname is stored
682 [04:56:45] <Lady_Aleena> I can't remember what the part
after @ is at the command prompt. me@office.
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684 [04:57:39] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, there is another name which
popped up in /etc/hosts called rchome.office . I'm not sure
where rchome came from.
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689 [04:58:40] <DatMale21> thank you so much somiaj, i would
really like to buy you a coffee, do you have a BTC wallet?
690 [04:59:04] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: myabe a typo, remove it if
you don't want it, seems more like home.office
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692 [04:59:22] <DatMale21> ..you are so active, and helps a lot
of people (i can see) you are friendly even when people are not
giving you a reason to be
693 [04:59:26] <DatMale21> i like you
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696 [04:59:40] <somiaj> DatMale21: donat to debian if you want to
donate.
697 [04:59:49] <DatMale21> i want to donate to you
698 [05:00:05] <DatMale21> how much is a coffee?
699 [05:00:06] <somiaj> I won't accept it, nore am setup to.
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702 [05:00:33] <DatMale21> "nore am setup to."
+_+????||||(***
703 [05:00:58] <DatMale21> what..?
704 [05:01:06] <uxfi> DatMale21; I think he means ... he's
ok
705 [05:02:22] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, rchome appears in
/etc/mailname, /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf, and /etc/hosts
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710 [05:03:28] <DatMale21> what the freak does nore am setup to.
means???
711 [05:04:44] <somiaj> DatMale21: no BTC wallet or other types
of accounts. But this is off-topic, prefer to stick to talking about
debian.
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713 [05:05:47] <DatMale21> this will bug me till i forget, what
does nore means and what do you mean by setup/./
714 [05:06:18] <viscera> Is pbuilder still the gold standard for
building source packages in a clean environment, for correct
build/run deps?
715 [05:06:29] <uxfi> where are you from DatMale21 ?
716 [05:06:30] <viscera> (or was it ever?)
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721 [05:07:10] <DatMale21> a location where i have never heard
nore before, nor have but not nore and do not know bout setup what
does it mean pls
722 [05:07:23] <somiaj> DatMale21: or am I set up to. might be
clearer. I tend to make up words as the night goes on.
723 [05:07:31] <uxfi> huh/
724 [05:07:37] <uxfi> ?
725 [05:07:47] <uxfi> I have never heard nore before?
726 [05:07:51] <uxfi> lol
727 [05:08:07] <somiaj> anyways, lets try to stay on topic.
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730 [05:09:17] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: did you grep /etc? That is
probably more efficent than seeing if someone recalls all configs
with the default domain name.
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732 [05:10:48] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I did.
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735 [05:12:14] <DatMale21> thanks for the help! i will consider
donating a cup of coffee worth of bitcoins if debian donation accept
bitcoins
736 [05:12:28] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, here is where grep found it:
replaced-url
737 [05:12:41] <DatMale21> bye bye :D
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739 [05:13:04] <somiaj> viscera: Just noticed that the dh_quilt
commands might not be used much, This is not needed if you use the
new 3.0 (quilt) source package format., quilt maybe more part of the
standard build process now (though unsure on details)
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752 [05:21:05] <viscera> somiaj: yes, debian/source/format says
"3.0 (quilt)"
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756 [05:22:30] <Lady_Aleena> Can I change the default domain
name?
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758 [05:23:00] <viscera> somiaj: ah, debian/patches/series
determines which debian/patches to apply
759 [05:23:46] <viscera> "All patches listed in
debian/patches/debian.series or debian/patches/series are then
applied. If the former file is used and the latter one doesn't
exist (or is a symlink), then the latter is replaced with a symlink
to the former. This is meant to simplify usage of quilt to manage
the set of patches. The patches can remove files."
760 [05:24:56] <viscera> Wow, Debian documentation got better
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762 [05:25:25] <ChmEarl> viscera, `dh binary-arch --no-act` will
dry run your debian/rules, if there is a syntax error in rules it
will choke
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764 [05:25:45] <viscera> ChmEarl: am I supposed to call that
directly?
765 [05:25:50] <viscera> i.e. from my interactive shell
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768 [05:26:09] <Lady_Aleena> Oh no! Did I somehow screw something
up? /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf is now
/etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
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772 [05:28:32] <Lady_Aleena> I think.
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782 [05:30:46] <Lady_Aleena> Now I'm afraid to shut down my
computer because /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf looks weird.
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798 [05:39:52] <Guest98393> i tried but failed each time to get
my nvidia driver installed, so im just lunix mint in the meantime
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800 [05:43:17] <Lady_Aleena> What would happen if exim4 were
misconfigured?
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806 [05:47:50] <TomG2> exim wouldn't work, but the rest of
your computer would be fine
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810 [05:51:11] <uxfi> TomG2; exim? I havent used that
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820 [05:54:56] <TomG2> hi uxfi, i was just talking to Lady_Aleena
about exim
821 [05:55:03] <TomG2> it's okay if you haven't used it
:)
822 [05:55:32] <uxfi> ah
823 [05:55:48] <uxfi> I'm using something similar to that
TomG2
824 [05:55:50] <Lady_Aleena> What is exim?
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826 [05:56:04] <uxfi> for mail
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831 [05:58:01] <TomG2> it's an e-mail server, assuming
you're being genuine
832 [05:58:13] <uxfi> yep
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834 [05:59:25] <Lady_Aleena> TomG2, I am. I was trying to figure
out where a variable was set to 'rchome'. It appears in
/etc/hosts/, /etc/mailname, and /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
835 [06:00:10] <Lady_Aleena> I don't know what set up
/etc/hosts and /etc/mailname.
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841 [06:04:02] <TomG2> Lady_Aleena, *you* set up those files
842 [06:04:16] <TomG2> i mean, you are able to
843 [06:04:33] <TomG2> you can go ahead and edit them with your
favourite text editor right now, and run /etc/init.d/hostname start
844 [06:04:38] <TomG2> service hostname start
845 [06:04:43] <Lady_Aleena> TomG2, okay, the question is then,
when did I set up those files?
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847 [06:04:55] <TomG2> sorry it's hostname.sh start
848 [06:05:03] <TomG2> they would have been set up in the Debian
install
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853 [06:08:25] <Lady_Aleena> So, alter those 3 files, run sudo
service hostname.sh start, and done?
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855 [06:09:24] <Lady_Aleena> Going to do it now.
856 [06:09:38] * Lady_Aleena hopes this works.
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860 [06:11:04] * Lady_Aleena feels off altering /etc files too much.
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862 [06:11:57] <Lady_Aleena> sudo service hostname.sh start
returned: Failed to start hostname.service: Unit hostname.service is
masked.
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865 [06:14:01] <TomG2> i don't know what that means
866 [06:14:09] <Lady_Aleena> Me neither.
867 [06:14:19] <TomG2> it's a systemd thing
868 [06:14:38] <TomG2> i can suggest burning SystemD in a fire
869 [06:15:02] <TomG2> you can try running
/etc/init.d/hostname.sh yourself
870 [06:15:14] <TomG2> if it's still there
871 [06:15:41] <somiaj> masked means the service points to
/dev/null (a strong form of disabled)
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873 [06:16:00] <somiaj> this prevents sockets or other ways of
activing it. Sounds like the service just isn't being used.
874 [06:16:32] <somiaj> it is masked here too.
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880 [06:17:55] <Lady_Aleena> So is it pointless?
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883 [06:18:21] <somiaj> looks like you can run it manulaly,
/etc/init.d/hostname.sh
884 [06:18:47] <somiaj> looks like systemd has a hostnamectl
command that is probably better to use though
885 [06:19:02] <TomG2> you can always read hostname.sh and just
run it yourself
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887 [06:19:21] <TomG2> i'm not sure about the .conf.conf
file, i don't think it's used
888 [06:19:35] <somiaj> hostnamectl set-hostname `cat
/etc/hostname` may work.
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890 [06:20:41] <TomG2> wow
891 [06:21:11] <TomG2> i don't know if i'm allowed to
say this here, but it's in keeping with the FOSS spirit,
systemd is pretty disappointing
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893 [06:23:18] <Lady_Aleena> How many .*ctl programs are there?
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896 [06:23:39] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: more and more.
897 [06:24:03] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I just tried to do a package
search on it.
898 [06:24:27] <somiaj> these are binaires that are part of
systemd
899 [06:24:37] <somiaj> so you have to look in packages, maybe
aptfile could do that
900 [06:24:41] <somiaj> apt-file I mean
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902 [06:25:34] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, maybe later...thanks!
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904 [06:26:00] <viscera> Running Stretch as a QEMU/KVM guest. THe
recent xserver-xorg-legacy package seems to have broken the
"auto resize VM with window" feature.
905 [06:26:02] <TomG2> there's Contents-amd64.gz on every
mirror you can use zgrep on
906 [06:26:16] <viscera> QXL graphics. If I rollback to before
that package, it's fine...
907 [06:26:24] <viscera> Anyone getting this?
908 [06:27:10] <somiaj> viscera: I haven't noticed, but you
should look for or file a regression bug
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928 [06:53:26] <jantwisted> hi all, I'm having an issue,
when I login from user A, I get the desktop but after a few seconds,
I get back the login screen. when I login from B, it works fine.
what can be the issue here ?
929 [06:54:31] <somiaj> sounds like some config in the users home
dir, unsure what it could be. You could wipe most the configs and
let them be regenrated
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933 [06:56:28] <jantwisted> I haven't done any configuration
changes since the last login
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971 [07:35:16] <viscera> somiaj: for some reason,
spice-vdagentd.service wasn't starting on boot despite being
enabled. A simple start of the service and a reboot solved it.
972 [07:35:40] <viscera> somiaj: the strange thing is, without
the manual start, a reboot didn't start it. It may be somehow
the hypervisor at fault.
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983 [07:48:51] <somiaj> viscera: the client which is most likely
what you want is brought up via an autostart scripts using the xdg
standards. If your wm/de doesn't support those, it won't
auto start it
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1043 [08:39:56] <Boney> When I use aptitude to install something,
dependecies are marked as automatically installed. Has this now been
added to apt-get?
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1045 [08:41:13] <Hoolootwo> almost certainly
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1051 [08:44:21] <Boney> Hoolootwo: cheers.
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1069 [08:54:58] <ryzokuken> Does the nvidia-driver package even
work?
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1072 [08:55:18] <ryzokuken> Using it for the second time, and
broke my installation for the second time
1073 [08:55:26] <ryzokuken> I have an optimus machine
1074 [08:55:43] <ryzokuken> Someone please help me rescue my
system.
1075 [08:55:47] <Hoolootwo> optimus is, from what I've heard,
weird
1076 [08:56:09] <Hoolootwo> I never needed to use it, so I
can't help too much I'm afraid
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1078 [08:57:08] <ryzokuken> I just installed the package and
restarted
1079 [08:58:12] <ryzokuken> And there was an irrecoverable error
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1093 [09:07:00] <ryzokuken> I removed nvidia-driver somehow.
1094 [09:07:13] <ryzokuken> How do I reenable Nouveau?
1095 [09:07:20] <ryzokuken> Please help.
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1098 [09:08:18] <towo^work> on optimus the default graphics is
intel
1099 [09:08:30] <towo^work> that's why installing
nvidia-driver can't work
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1101 [09:08:35] <towo^work> you need bumblebee
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1125 [09:21:50] <cronic> Hey, is there any other place in Wheezy
for storing information about NICs? ifconfig show an eth:100.. i
would like to deactivate that interface, but its not in ifdown or
/etc/network/interfaces.. any hints? :x
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1127 [09:22:53] <jolt> cronic: Well, you can always do ifconfig
ethX down
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1129 [09:24:17] <cronic> jolt: but theres no other way to
start/config those interfaces as in the interfaces config?
1130 [09:24:57] <TomG2> are you using network-manager?
1131 [09:25:00] <TomG2> most likely right?
1132 [09:25:51] <cronic> Nope, server installation. There is a
eth:xxx that is respawning with a random ip after stopping it ..
1133 [09:25:53] <jolt> cronic: Well, depends on how you are
running your system. There are other interfaces, like TomG2 pointed
out. I was thinking about via cli
1134 [09:26:25] <jolt> cronic: You would typically manually add
your interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces. But there is nothing
stopping you from doing it via crontab or whatever
1135 [09:26:55] <jolt> cronic: grep -r "100" in /etc/
and see if there is something in there
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1144 [09:33:48] <cronic> jolt: no hits.. but i think i found
something.. in the orig. config file theres a eth0:600, but in
ifconfig (after stopping the first :100) it shows up as eth0:100
(this time with the correct ip).. nvm. thanks for helping :)
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1157 [09:40:24] <ryzokuken> towo^work: as of now, I cannot even
log into the computer
1158 [09:40:42] <ryzokuken> How do I restore my earlier
configuration?
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1160 [09:40:52] <ryzokuken> Then I can think about bumblebee
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1187 [09:53:19] <towo^work> ryzokuken, have you created any kind
of xorg.conf?
1188 [09:53:55] <towo^work> ryzokuken, any blacklist for i915 or
nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf?
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1190 [09:54:27] <ryzokuken> towo^work: I'll check it out.
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1213 [10:06:32] <ryzokuken> towo^work: Nouveau was blacklisted in
modprobe
1214 [10:06:41] <ryzokuken> Hopefully, now it'll work.
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1218 [10:07:47] <ryzokuken> It's still getting stuck
1219 [10:07:59] <ryzokuken> Although Nouveau is now loading
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1224 [10:09:23] <ryzokuken>
replaced-url
1225 [10:09:33] <ryzokuken> This is where it's getting stuck.
1226 [10:09:56] <ryzokuken> towo^work: could you take a look at
the picture?
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1234 [10:13:41] <towo^work> ryzokuken, post the Xorg.0.log
1235 [10:14:42] <towo^work> ryzokuken, and again, nouveau
doesn't matter, since your system has to load the intel module,
because intel is the only device, which is connected to any display
in optimus
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1237 [10:14:51] <towo^work> if it is a real muxless optimus
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1244 [10:18:04] <pierre365> hi!
1245 [10:18:11] <pierre365> I'm a tad confused with
libraries... running some binary gives me a simple lookup error but
when i do nm on the library i can find the symbol..
replaced-url
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1248 [10:21:39] <ryzokuken> towo^work: just a second
1249 [10:21:49] <ryzokuken> It's difficult to pastebin on CLI
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1251 [10:22:12] <pierre365> ryzokuken: transfer.sh
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1253 [10:22:25] <towo^work> ryzokuken, is not if you use
pastebinit
1254 [10:22:53] <ryzokuken> Yeah just downloaded it
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1259 [10:27:04] <ryzokuken> Debian.net's certificate fails.
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1262 [10:30:41] <ryzokuken> Finally,
replaced-url
1263 [10:30:55] <ryzokuken> towo^work: ^
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1265 [10:31:08] <ryzokuken> Please help guys, I'm running out
of time.
1266 [10:31:35] <towo^work> you have not complete removed the
nvidia blob
1267 [10:31:49] <towo^work> [ 134.555] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module
375.39 Tue Jan 31 19:37:12 PST 2017
1268 [10:31:53] <ryzokuken> Something's left?
1269 [10:32:14] <towo^work> ever played with the nvidia-installer
from the website?
1270 [10:32:16] <ryzokuken> Can you guess which package it is,
precisely?
1271 [10:32:19] <ryzokuken> Nope.
1272 [10:32:25] <towo^work> dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows anything?
1273 [10:32:25] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep nvidia
shows anything
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1275 [10:32:26] <ryzokuken> Like... Not lately.
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1277 [10:33:12] <ryzokuken> A few packages.
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1279 [10:33:57] <towo^work> apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk
'/nvidia/{ print $2 }')
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1283 [10:36:15] <ryzokuken> towo^work: done.
1284 [10:36:23] <ryzokuken> Now should I restart?
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1289 [10:38:56] <ryzokuken> towo^work: ?
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1301 [10:44:25] <towo^work> ryzokuken, sure you need to restart
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1305 [10:44:43] <ryzokuken> Still stuck at same place
1306 [10:44:53] <ryzokuken> Should I send newer Xorg.log?
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1308 [10:46:19] <towo^work> sure
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1313 [10:47:46] <ryzokuken> towo^work:
replaced-url
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1316 [10:47:51] <ryzokuken> Thanks for all the help
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1331 [10:52:15] <ryzokuken> towo^work: anything?
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1342 [10:59:47] <towo^work> ryzokuken, (II) NVIDIA GLX Module
375.39 Tue Jan 31 19:37:12 PST 2017
1343 [11:00:07] <towo^work> whatever you have made, you have done
anything wrong
1344 [11:00:27] <towo^work> as long as the blob glx module is in
your system, it will not work
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1346 [11:01:19] <towo^work> btw, since you use stretch, aka
testing, this is propably the wrong channel, normaly #debia
1347 [11:01:21] <towo^work> grr
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1349 [11:01:39] <towo^work> normaly #debian-next on oftc is for
testing support
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1352 [11:02:53] <nwe> I setup my server with preseed files,
everything is working, but now I will setup so it dont take all sda
to pv so only a peice of sda how should I do that?
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1357 [11:05:25] <ryzokuken> towo^work: maybe I need to recompile
the kernel?
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1363 [11:06:33] <towo^work> for what? glx is not a kernel module
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1368 [11:07:17] <towo^work> it's normaly in the package
libgl1-nvidia-glx and the glx-lib from the blob should not exist
anymore after purging that package
1369 [11:07:34] <towo^work> it exist only, if you have used the
run-installer
1370 [11:07:44] <ryzokuken> I haven't
1371 [11:07:57] <ryzokuken> I followed instructions from the wiki
1372 [11:08:34] <towo^work> it is imposible that the blob-glx
exist, after purging the correspond package
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1378 [11:13:05] <ryzokuken>
replaced-url
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1380 [11:14:43] <ryzokuken> towo^work: I only have mesa-glx
1381 [11:14:51] <ryzokuken> Not nvidia-glx
1382 [11:15:18] <Iridos> show more original info… e.g.
pastebin the output of dpkg -l |
1383 [11:15:22] <Iridos> er
1384 [11:15:34] <towo^work> but your xlog clearly states it loads
the glx-lib from the bnvidia blob
1385 [11:15:36] <Iridos> output of dpkg -l '*nvidia*'
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1387 [11:15:44] <nwe> how can I specify size on pv in
preseed-files?
1388 [11:16:27] <towo^work> ryzokuken, maybe you allways paste an
old log?
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1390 [11:16:40] <ryzokuken> I don't think so
1391 [11:16:51] <ryzokuken> Xorg.0.log is new, right?
1392 [11:17:09] <ryzokuken> In /var/log?
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1397 [11:20:39] <ryzokuken> towo^work: should I give ~/.
local/share/log instead?
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1401 [11:22:45] <jelly> ryzokuken: which one has newer timestamp?
1402 [11:22:51] <towo^work> ryzokuken, if you use rootless x, the
real log is in ~/. local/share/log
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1405 [11:23:26] <ryzokuken> I didn't change a thing regarding
xorg
1406 [11:23:29] <ryzokuken> What's the default
1407 [11:23:31] <ryzokuken> ?
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1409 [11:24:50] <ryzokuken> towo^work: here's the one in my
home
replaced-url
1410 [11:24:55] <ryzokuken> Maybe this makes sense
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1415 [11:27:16] <ryzokuken> jelly: can I check timestamp using ls?
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1422 [11:30:30] <towo^work> ryzokuken, have you played with the
gfx-settings in your bios?
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1435 [11:39:34] <ryzokuken> towo^work: jelly: the /var/log one is
more recent
1436 [11:39:40] <ryzokuken> towo^work: nope
1437 [11:39:56] <ryzokuken> Never played with any bios settings
1438 [11:40:30] <da3m0n22> hey, why libvolk-dev ( 3.7.5-5,
replaced-url
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1440 [11:43:26] <bipul> Do we can say Intel virtualization (VT-x)
is hypervisors who provide virtualization?
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1442 [11:45:32] <towo^work> bipul, what?
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1444 [11:46:07] <towo^work> vt-x is virtualization technology,
which can be used by hypervisors
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1450 [11:47:00] <bipul> My question is what is VT-x? , And how it
is different from hypervisor, if it differ?
1451 [11:47:38] <bipul> towo^work, can you distinguish between
Vt-x enable and hypervisor
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1460 [11:50:18] <towo^work> bipul,
replaced-url
1461 [11:50:38] <bipul> I have gone through that link.
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1464 [11:51:43] <towo^work> then what's unclear?
1465 [11:51:48] <towo^work>
replaced-url
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1473 [11:54:56] <bipul> Now i got it, hypervisor uses vt-x feature
to run virtualmachine :d
1474 [11:55:02] <ryzokuken> towo^work: is there no way to make
this work?
1475 [11:55:38] <towo^work> ryzokuken, if i would that piece of
hardware handy here, sure
1476 [11:55:55] <towo^work> but since i do not seat in front of
it, i can't say many
1477 [11:56:03] <ryzokuken> :/
1478 [11:56:14] <bipul> But how it is different from docker
towo^work ?
1479 [11:56:21] <ryzokuken> Should I just go ahead and reinstall
debian?
1480 [11:56:36] <ryzokuken> And forget my hopes of using my
discrete card as default?
1481 [11:56:45] <ryzokuken> I faced the same issue in Arch Linux.
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1484 [11:57:09] <ryzokuken> Hybrid drivers.
1485 [11:57:19] <ryzokuken> I have no idea how, but Ubuntu's
driver manager does this trick for me everytime.
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1487 [11:57:38] <ryzokuken> Maybe it's just too difficult to
do it manually.
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1493 [12:00:08] <rysiek|pl> hey
1494 [12:00:22] <rysiek|pl> I am trying to figure out what is The
Right Way to install php7 on debian jessie
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1515 [12:16:10] <ihaveahugecock> Hi
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1518 [12:16:49] <ihaveahugecock> naked women
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complains about: i need naked women
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1541 [12:30:48] <Lope> I've got lxc.tty = 4 in my LXC
container's config file. Yet only tty0 works? When I connect to
other tty's I don't get a shell. `lxc-console -n foo -t
2`. `mount` shows I have devpts /dev/console. Then I've got
devpts /dev/tty1..4 also. (all with same mount options) Only
`lxc-console -n foo -t 0` gives me a shell.
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1543 [12:31:41] <caraconan> Hi there. I'm using Debian and
Awesome WM. I have a HiDPI screen. I fixed the screen resolution
with "xrandr --output eDP-1 --fbmm 290x170" but since
couple of days ago something is not working as expected, and I see
again too small icons and fonts. Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks
1544 [12:31:47] <Lope> If I type `lxc-console -n foo -t 1` I get
"Connected to tty 1\nType <Ctrl+a q> to exit the console,
<Ctrl+a Ctrl+a> to enter Ctrl+a itself"
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1549 [12:33:16] <Lope> Pressing enter doesn't give me a
shell, typing `ls` gives no response.
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1557 [12:38:43] <caraconan> Nobody?
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1571 [12:43:09] <mekeor> caraconan: too small icons? maybe the
screen resolution is too high? or rather, maybe your GTK-fontsize is
too small?
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1579 [12:45:23] <caraconan> mekeor: a summary:
replaced-url
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1581 [12:45:37] <Lope> if I run screen inside my LXC container
that I entered with LXC console it says "[Screen is
terminating]". If I try start the screen when inside
lxc-attach, it says "Must be connected to a terminal."
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1585 [12:47:20] <Lope> `script /dev/null` says "script:
openpty failed: No such file or directory"
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1589 [12:49:47] <Lope> I found a solution. It's a bit ghetto
but it works. I can run a screen session on the host, then
lxc-attach a new shell in the container, then just detach from the
hosts's screen session.
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1644 [13:22:17] <lowin> Hello. I'm trying to install debian
jessie on a armhf board. I'm confused at what initrd image I
should be booting to install the system. I tried the hd-media
initrd, but it asks for a .iso file and hangs because of what
I'm assuming not being able to mount iso files. furthermore, I
don't have a network connection available for a network install
1645 [13:23:16] <lowin> What are my options here? I just want to
feed the setup files through a usb flash drive like you'd do
normally in a regular x86 pc
1646 [13:23:37] <jelly> lowin: which board? are you sure the
installer supports your SoC/board at all?
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1648 [13:24:06] <jelly> lowin: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net may be
a better place to ask
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1650 [13:24:12] <lowin> jelly, nanopi, I'm using my own
kernel and bootloader. I don't see why it shouldn't
1651 [13:24:25] <lowin> alright I'll try that channel. thanks
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1657 [13:25:29] <jelly> which nanopi?
1658 [13:25:34] <lowin> neo
1659 [13:27:17] <BanHammor> lowin, what about netinstall?
1660 [13:27:47] <BanHammor> oh sorry, you covered that
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1662 [13:29:08] <lowin> yup. I'll see if i can get network
running for netinst
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1667 [13:30:40] <BanHammor> in general initrd is not like a thing
that should contain an entire repo of packages
1668 [13:30:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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1674 [13:37:07] <jelly> lowin: also, since it's an allwinner,
#linux-sunxi and their wiki may have documentation on how to
properly boot and install
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1692 [13:44:20] <BanHammor> BluesKaj, it's cool. What's
up?
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1695 [13:46:04] <BluesKaj> hi BanHammor, not much, how about you?
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1698 [13:47:08] <BanHammor> i was thrown
1699 [13:47:33] <BanHammor> back into hardware development and out
of making a debian distribution
1700 [13:48:31] <BluesKaj> bummer. ordinary user here
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1742 [14:17:11] <yeehi> Is there something like DEbian launchpad?
A ppa for Mozilla, for example?
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1744 [14:18:46] <towo^work> debian do not use PPA's at all
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1747 [14:19:29] <yeehi> towo^work - if one wants the latest builds
from Mozilla, what is the best way?
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1751 [14:20:14] <towo^work> download them from mozilla, extract it
to your home and use it from there
1752 [14:20:30] <towo^work> or install the version from
experimental
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1754 [14:21:00] <yeehi> how does one get the experimental versions
if running testing towo^work ?
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1757 [14:21:38] <towo^work> yeehi, if you have to ask, don't
do it
1758 [14:21:50] <yeehi> ok
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1760 [14:22:13] <gardy> so i was kicked from offtopic :D
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1765 [14:24:38] <missmbob> that's not funny. same ops are in
here, btw
1766 [14:25:16] <colo-work> yeehi, maybe also check
replaced-url
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1768 [14:25:46] <BanHammor> yeehi, technically you -can- use PPA,
but it's gonna break a lot.
1769 [14:25:54] <BanHammor> and i would not recommend it.
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1917 [15:51:58] <plop6> hi
1918 [15:52:32] <plop6> is there any guide to install latest
amdgpu-pro under debian ?
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1922 [15:53:02] <towo^work> since amdgpu-pro official only support
ubuntu, i don't think so
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1926 [15:54:15] <plop6> some people tryed ?
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1932 [15:57:19] <towo^work> i see no benefit for amdgpu-pro
1933 [15:57:37] <towo^work> amdgpu and mesa does the job equal or
better
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1935 [15:58:03] <ska> Is there a tool to "lint"
/etc/network/interfaces ?
1936 [15:58:54] <BanHammor> plop6, it's not that it's
impossible, but you are basically inviting nasal demons
1937 [15:59:13] <plop6> )
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1941 [16:00:24] <plop6> ty anyway
1942 [16:00:52] <sadraid> i accidentially wrote over the
superblock of a 2 drive type 0 raid. (created a new type 0 array)
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1945 [16:01:44] <sadraid> im not sure how to recover (if possible)
without damaging the raid further
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1949 [16:06:46] <jelly> !rc bugs
1950 [16:06:46] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with
critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release
of Debian. See the graph at
replaced-url
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2004 [16:37:30] <celyr> Hi
2005 [16:37:37] <celyr> is jessie-backports considered stable ?
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2008 [16:38:06] <jelly> celyr: it's stable enough to
cherry-pick specific components from there if you have to
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2013 [16:40:34] <celyr> jelly, so when I'll use apt-get
install I'll install packages in the jessie repository, only
when I'll -t jessie-backports I'll pick from there
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2015 [16:40:51] <celyr> what if I want to update a package from
backports ?
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2018 [16:41:59] <jelly> celyr: after you first install it from
jessie-backports, you'll keep getting updates from there if
there are any
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2022 [16:43:56] <jelly> celyr: upgrading a package from jessie to
jessie-backports is done using the exact same command as installing
something from jessie-backports
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2024 [16:44:15] <celyr> mmm
2025 [16:44:21] <celyr> i tought that there was an update to bind9
2026 [16:44:31] <celyr> but it tells me that it's the same
version duh
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2028 [16:44:39] <jelly> ,v bind9
2029 [16:44:40] <judd> Package: bind9 on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10; wheezy-security:
1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u15; wheezy-backports:
1:9.9.5.dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u10;
jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u10; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.2; sid:
1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3; experimental: 1:9.10.4-P5-1
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2031 [16:44:51] <jelly> there is no bind9 in jessie-backports
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2039 [16:47:12] <celyr> hmm 10 is stuck in stretch
2040 [16:47:14] <celyr> nvm
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2049 [16:50:21] <OxOO> I have much sharper fonts on a Debian
system running in virtualbox, than on the host system where
virtualbox is run, which also runs Debian. The host system uses
proprietary NVIDIA module and guest being in virtualbox uses
VBoxVideo. Can the Xorg video driver be the cause of why the same
fluxbox style has different sharpness in font showing? any idea what
else it could be?
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2055 [16:54:18] <celyr> OxOO, I guess it's just the AA of
nvidia
2056 [16:54:32] <celyr> OxOO, just go on the nvidia control panel
and disable it
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2058 [16:55:07] <celyr> OxOO, Your nick is evil since every
programmer will try it as 0 (and yes I have a very different char of
0 and O but my brain won't get that)
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2109 [17:20:46] <alekz> !etcher
2110 [17:20:47] <dpkg> etcher is probably initial testing shows
etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation.
instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows.
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2111 [17:21:38] <sh00p> "etcher is probably initial
testing"
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2113 [17:22:27] <jhutchins_wk> sh00p: That's just an artifact
of how the bot formats factoids.
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2115 [17:22:52] <jhutchins_wk> <tag> is probably
<data>
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2118 [17:23:05] <sh00p> ah ok jhutchins_wk
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2120 [17:23:08] * sh00p undertands
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2123 [17:23:37] <jhutchins_wk> It has some variants, I think
infobot also does "I guess <tag> is <data>".
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2135 [17:26:46] <noqnio1> for a wordpress webserver, should i
install from repos or get latest version from the website?
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2140 [17:27:52] <jhutchins_wk> noqnio1: I like to do a repo
install, then upgrade it from the website. That does risk the site
getting downgraded if an update from Debian is older than the WP
version.
2141 [17:28:16] <jhutchins_wk> noqnio1: Actually, I haven't
done that since before direct upgrades became possible.
2142 [17:28:31] <jhutchins_wk> noqnio1: These days I tend to get
wp-cli and use that to install and maintain.
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2145 [17:28:59] <noqnio1> why do you prefer that from repos?
2146 [17:29:28] <noqnio1> i was wondering cause latest is 4.7.4
and package on jessie-backports or stretch is 4.7.3, how much big of
a difference could that be
2147 [17:29:29] <lowin> How do I get getty not require a password?
2148 [17:29:51] <noqnio1> if such a critical security update is
presented i guess it would be ported to all versions, no?
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2152 [17:31:37] <greycat> lowin: set the account's password
to the empty string
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2155 [17:31:52] <greycat> You won't be able to ssh in, but
you will be able to login on the console.
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2158 [17:32:18] <lowin> greycat, well that wouldn't be much
useful, since I want to have password protected sudo
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2160 [17:32:53] <greycat> On an account with no password? How are
you planning THAT?
2161 [17:33:01] <lowin> It used to be possible to change agetty
parameters in /etc/inittab, is it no longer possible?
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2163 [17:33:31] <greycat> They're buried in systemd unit
files on jessie+, but what are you actually trying to do here?
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2165 [17:34:05] <lowin> greycat, simple, local serial console: no
password login, remote login/sudo: password
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2167 [17:34:18] <greycat> Make two different accounts.
2168 [17:34:27] <greycat> Give 'em the same UID, GID, home
dir.
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2170 [17:34:50] <greycat> And that is not "simple".
Jesus.
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2172 [17:35:14] <lowin> it used to be literally adding a auto
login username to agetty
2173 [17:35:27] <greycat> Then go ahead and do that.
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2178 [17:36:46] <greycat> See e.g.
/lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service (but I don't use
serial logins so that might not be the whole picture).
2179 [17:37:18] <lowin> greycat, looking into it. thanks
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2184 [17:38:32] <greycat> Remember, don't edit files in
/lib/systemd/system. Copy them to /etc/systemd/system/ and edit the
copy, OR use a drop-in directory thingy to change individual
settings.
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2199 [17:47:40] <jpalmer> question, with /etc/iptables/rules.v4,
is there a way to include another file? essentially, I would like
rules.v4 to be the generic ruleset applied to all hosts in a
datacenter. then have a "-j local_rules" populated from
another file managed by ansible.
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2218 [17:55:25] <jhutchins_wk> noqnio1: I used to do it that way
to get the structure set up the Debian way - config files in
sites-available, modules, etc.
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2222 [17:56:10] <jhutchins_wk> noqnio1: These days I'm
confident enough with my knowledge of Debian's setup that I can
do the steps myself.
2223 [17:57:11] <jhutchins_wk> noqnio1: There are security fixes
from 4.7.3 to 4.7.4.
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2225 [17:59:08] <jhutchins_wk> jpalmer: Ansible should be able to
append the necessary local settings to the main file if include
doesn't work. I suspect a man page would give you the
definitive answer.
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2228 [18:01:14] <jpalmer> jhutchins_wk: yeah, i've been
scouring docs, haven't seen anything useful. I may just have to
template out the rules.v4 and v6 files, and keep a
"default" ruleset, and host specific rulesets that just
get added to the template. was hoping to avoid that, for a couple
(non-technical) reasons. but, if thats how I have to do it, I'm
not completely opposed.
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2240 [18:10:38] <Knaldgas> Any recommendations regarding webmail
clients for a Stretch-Postfix-Dovecot set-up. Only to be used when
"all else fails"
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2245 [18:11:45] <Knaldgas> Previously use Squirrelmail, but thats
no longer in Debian
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2248 [18:13:30] <greycat> !webmail
2249 [18:13:30] <dpkg> A webmail client is an application accessed
using a web browser, for the purposes of reading, writing and
sending e-mail. Webmail clients packaged for Debian include
<imp>, <roundcube> and <squirrelmail>. See also
<imap>, <imapproxy>, <mta>.
2250 [18:14:40] <jhutchins_wk> Knaldgas: I've heard good
things about roundcube.
2251 [18:14:47] <jhutchins_wk> ,v squirrelmail
2252 [18:14:48] <judd> Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- wheezy:
2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2
2253 [18:15:54] <Knaldgas> jhutchins: I checked it out, but the
SQL requirement threw me off a bit. Perhaps for no valid reason
2254 [18:16:42] <Knaldgas> greycat, thank, checking out imp
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2258 [18:19:00] <Knaldgas> judd: and for Stretch? ;-)
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2260 [18:21:25] <jhutchins_wk> Knaldgas: Not listed implies not
included. There's a "why" function but I can never
get it to work. I suspect "unmaintained".
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2262 [18:21:39] <somiaj> best way to see why is go check out the
package tracker
2263 [18:22:10] <Knaldgas> I did find the reason:
replaced-url
2264 [18:22:11] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
2265 [18:22:13] <somiaj>
replaced-url
2266 [18:22:18] <Knaldgas> :)
2267 [18:23:10] <somiaj> You can sometimes dig deeper for why they
decided not to package it anymore, could be no one wants to matain
it or securitty issues.
2268 [18:23:48] <Knaldgas> Which is why I was looking for
something else, simple, with few dependencies
2269 [18:24:20] <somiaj> the top of that bug report is failry
clear, no php7 support.
2270 [18:24:28] <somiaj> and since stretch now ships php7
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2286 [18:30:51] <no_gravity> When I plug my android phone into my
laptop and open the icon from the Desktop, the location is
"mtp://[usb:002,005]/". Can I acees that from the terminal
somehow?
2287 [18:31:17] <somiaj> there are various ways to deal with mtp
protocl (all kinda poor because the protocl is poor)
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2289 [18:32:06] <somiaj> how do you want to access, I used a
program jmtpfs which mounted the mtp share as a file system and I
could access it normally. Though it was very slow. I ended up using
some of the developer tools as they are much faster for access a
phone over usb
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2295 [18:33:03] <no_gravity> I tried to move 500 photos from the
phone to my desktop. Via drag and drop. But it got stuck on
"preparing to move 500 files".
2296 [18:33:18] <no_gravity> So I thought copying them via the
terminal is better.
2297 [18:33:27] <somiaj> you may have trouble doing that with mtp,
it is going to be slow, you'll have to awit a long time
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2299 [18:33:30] <no_gravity> Now I am just dragging them in
smaller batches.
2300 [18:33:45] <somiaj> when I tried took me hours and it failed
on a large number of photos, this is over usb adn it is andriod?
2301 [18:34:08] <no_gravity> Moving 100 at a time is actually
quite fast.
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2304 [18:34:13] <somiaj> (note some thing like drop box, sync
phone photos online then get the sync can also work better than mtp)
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2309 [18:34:49] <no_gravity> I think its some Gnome magic that
gets stuck on a large number of files.
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2311 [18:34:53] <somiaj>
replaced-url
2312 [18:35:01] <somiaj> That is what I ended up using, adb
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2314 [18:35:26] <somiaj> but you can try jmtpfs, or various other
tools that work with mtp on the command line
2315 [18:35:28] <fallentree> I'm dd-ing an ISO to an usb
stick. dd if=/path...iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M. The moment I hit enter,
the system becomes barely responsive. I've got Rhythmbox
playing a local mp3 track, and it becomes chopped. Newer core i5
CPU, 8GB of RAM, SSD. Is it really unable to handle 9MB/s for that
puny little stick?
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2318 [18:36:12] <somiaj> fallentree: do you have the same issue if
you use cp /path /dev/sdc
2319 [18:36:34] <fallentree> somiaj: I'll try
2320 [18:36:43] <somiaj> fallentree: could be your scheduer, I
think dd will try to write as fast as it can and this could cause
issues with the bus making reading the mp3's choppy.
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2322 [18:37:24] <somiaj> no_gravity:
replaced-url
2323 [18:37:26] <fallentree> somiaj: no, with cp the system is
normally responsive
2324 [18:38:10] <fallentree> somiaj: it wasn't just the mp3
playing, the whole system started to stutter. I have gnome 3 shell
and going in and out of dashboard, the animations are stuttering.
2325 [18:38:12] <somiaj> fallentree: dd just might be overly
agressive
2326 [18:38:24] <somiaj> fallentree: unsure why it is, but the
install guide suggest using cp over dd anyways
2327 [18:38:25] <fallentree> I also tried to renice the dd proces,
nice -n 19 ionice -c 2 -n 19 dd if.... didn't help
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2329 [18:39:31] <fallentree> well cp it is then, in the future.
2330 [18:39:33] <greycat> The only difference between cp and dd is
the block size.
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2333 [18:39:46] <greycat> (In this case, since no other dd options
were given.)
2334 [18:39:51] <fallentree> greycat: I used bs=1M
2335 [18:39:54] <greycat> I saw.
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2337 [18:40:17] <somiaj> that is what I thought, could it be the
block size causing the issues? I woudln't except this drastic
of an issue between the tools, just don't know enough about why
dd would be lagging the system.
2338 [18:40:35] <fallentree> never happened like that on Jessie,
this is Stretch. I'm guessing newer kernels scheduler is
borked, or dd is, as somiaj said, agressive.
2339 [18:41:00] <somiaj> or something is cusing a lag, giving your
bus an issue. Unsure if it is worth filing a bug.
2340 [18:41:01] <greycat> The symptoms are identical to what we
used to get back in the Days Of Yore when we read/burned CDs and the
CD driver in the kernel didn't use DMA (Direct Memory Access).
2341 [18:41:14] <greycat> I don't know enough about USB data
transfers.
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2343 [18:41:57] <fallentree> this is a "front panel" USB
port, and it isn't USB 3, judging by the color (white, not
blue). the stick is also apparently not usb3 (black, not blue).
could it be cheapo or otherwise borked controller?
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2346 [18:42:35] <somiaj> that would affect copy speed, but I
don't think explain why dd lags your system and cp
doesn't.
2347 [18:42:45] <somiaj> dmesg isn't giving any warnings?
2348 [18:42:50] <fallentree> both ended in approximately the same
time, dd reporting 9MB/s
2349 [18:43:05] <fallentree> somiaj: no, I checked that first. Was
expecting a storm of events or irq issues, nothing.
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2351 [18:44:32] <somiaj> I wonder if you try to use dd with the
blocksize of cp, maybe the blocks are to big. The numbers I got from
a 2015 mailing list suggest more like 64-128k block size
2352 [18:44:56] <fallentree> I'll check both with iostat
2353 [18:45:43] <somiaj> yea seems the stretch version has between
64-128k block size, if you say set the block size to 128k does it
have the same problem?
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2360 [18:51:36] <fallentree> somiaj: no, 128k works smoothly. but
I've noticed something else. cp ends (returns) much sooner than
the actual writing has stopped.
2361 [18:51:59] <noqnio1> can i install wordpress without
installing mysql? (i am planning to use mariadb). mysql-server is
listed as a dependency
2362 [18:52:01] <somiaj> this is standard because of how linux
cache works, make sure to run sync
2363 [18:52:18] <somiaj> fallentree: your system just isn't
liking the 1M block size, cause it to lag.
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2365 [18:52:28] <fallentree> somiaj: I know, so I'm guessing
them ending in approximately the same time was false reading, and dd
was actually pushing out all those blocks in that time while cp
wasn't.
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2367 [18:52:32] <somiaj> no_gravity: using the debian wordpress
package?
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2369 [18:52:39] <noqnio1> yes
2370 [18:52:41] <somiaj> noqnio1: ^^
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2372 [18:53:05] <noqnio1> i had sooo many problems until i learned
about sync, and it took embarrassingly long for me to do so
2373 [18:53:22] <somiaj> noqnio1: the jessie or jessie-backports
version?
2374 [18:53:27] <noqnio1> backports
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2376 [18:53:37] <fallentree> wait, dd returned too but activity is
till going. and funny, with bs=128k it reported 14MB/s, while with
bs=1M it was 9MB/s and unresponsive system. meh.
2377 [18:55:15] <somiaj> noqnio1: mysql-client | mariadb-client --
those are the depends on the jessie package. It is or, but mysql is
listed first, so install mariadb first, then install wordpress
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2379 [18:55:52] <noqnio1> nice, i did not realize that, thanks.
what about mysql-client-5.5 mysql-common?
2380 [18:56:05] <noqnio1> will they interfere with mariadb in any
way?
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2382 [18:56:18] <somiaj> they should not
2383 [18:56:23] <noqnio1> cool, thanks again
2384 [18:56:31] <somiaj> if they did there would be a conflicts or
some info about this in the package
2385 [18:56:44] <somiaj> if things are installable they should
work togethter or at leasat leave together.
2386 [18:56:52] <somiaj> (provided you stick to debian repos)
2387 [18:57:00] <somiaj> s/leave/live/
2388 [18:57:08] <noqnio1> oh mariadb also depends on mysql-common
2389 [18:57:12] <noqnio1> so everything is alright
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2439 [19:24:59] <mvaenskae> cheers, using debian stretch in a VM
for development and my software required libpng12 -- can i somehow
install that as well next to libpng16?
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2444 [19:27:16] <mvaenskae> if this is wrong to ask in here please
direct me to the proper channel to ask in :)
2445 [19:27:41] <greycat> It's on topic. You'll just
have to wait for someone who knows how to answer it.
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2447 [19:29:24] <Kobaz> hmm, so i have a Supermicro X11SSH-LN4F
with both usb2 and usb3 plugs in the back, that's not detecting
the keyboard
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2449 [19:29:36] <mvaenskae> thanks :) i wasn't sure as the
topic didn't specifically say whether "tech support"
is given in here or not :)
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2454 [19:31:21] <somiaj> ,v libpng12
2455 [19:31:22] <judd> No package named 'libpng12' was
found in amd64.
2456 [19:31:50] <somiaj> ,v libpng12-0
2457 [19:31:51] <judd> Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security:
1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3
2458 [19:32:14] <greycat> I believe he's really asking about
the -dev package.
2459 [19:32:33] <somiaj> mvaenskae: you could try with dpkg and
--dry-run/--simulate and see if there are any conflicts from the
debian package with the libpng in stretch.
2460 [19:32:33] <greycat> I.e. he wants to *compile* something
against libpng12 not just run a binary.
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2462 [19:32:45] <mvaenskae> i don't need it at compile time
2463 [19:32:53] <greycat> Oh! Then sure, it's trivial.
2464 [19:32:59] <greycat> Just install the older package manually.
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2468 [19:33:50] <mvaenskae> at runtime for the xilinx vivado suite
-- for my bachelor's i require it and thought "let's
not use ubuntu for my VM but go with good ol debian as a good
base"
2469 [19:33:51] <jelly> or add jessie repos back (temporarily) and
install it the usual way
2470 [19:34:23] <greycat> That's a good alternative if you
need more than just the one library package.
2471 [19:34:34] <mvaenskae> i did search for libpng and only
libpng16 was returned -- how would a manual install look like?
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2473 [19:34:42] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
2474 [19:34:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
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2475 [19:34:46] <greycat>
replaced-url
2476 [19:35:03] <mvaenskae> can i "mix" debian release
versions?
2477 [19:35:20] <greycat> You can *usually* run older packages on
newer releases.
2478 [19:35:30] <jelly> it's reasonably safe to mix in
packages from _older_ releases
2479 [19:35:32] <greycat> You can *NOT* add newer-release packages
to older releases.
2480 [19:36:02] <jelly> you can try, and mess up the installation
with no way back
2481 [19:36:17] <mvaenskae> alright :) thanks a lot guys -- so i
will add the jessie mirrors and see how it goes with that
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2483 [19:37:12] <jelly> ,v libssl1.0.0
2484 [19:37:14] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u2; jessie:
1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports:
1.0.2k-1~bpo8+1
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2487 [19:37:37] <jelly> I still have vendor cra^H^H^Hbinaries
linked against 0.9.8
2488 [19:37:47] <jolt> mvaenskae: If you are afraid of breaking
it, make a virtual install somewhere and try it there
2489 [19:38:15] <mvaenskae> jolt: good idea, i'll make a
snapshot of the VM right now
2490 [19:38:41] <jolt> mvaenskae: *thumbs up*
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2495 [19:40:56] <mvaenskae> or not... *sigh* libvirt at times is
dumb :(
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2498 [19:42:24] <altyr> mvaenskae: altera quartus user here. Can
confirm that libpng is the bane of fpga development
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2500 [19:43:15] <mvaenskae> altyr: well, any media lib i have made
the experience is causing hurt to applications
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2503 [19:44:08] <mvaenskae> long time gentoo user myself -- one
lib caused so many recompiles i decided to stop using some of the
software/use binaries because i wasn't up to compiling them for
3 hours again...
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2505 [19:46:00] <somiaj> yea, -dev packages aren't as easy as
the binaries with libs in debian. But debian does try to keep it so
differnent versions can be installed.
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2508 [19:46:26] <somiaj> well of the binary packages
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2510 [19:47:02] <greycat> Typicall you can only have one
libfoo*-dev installed, because there will be one /usr/lib/libfoo.so
file/symlink on the system, which is what the compiler/linker will
use when you put -lfoo in your build command.
2511 [19:47:13] <mvaenskae> what is the proper way of including
"out of source" packages in debian btw?
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2513 [19:47:27] <greycat> put any non-packaged things in
/usr/local or /opt
2514 [19:47:32] <greycat> or a user's home directory
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2516 [19:48:05] <mvaenskae> pardon, "out of tree" i
meant -- there are likely sort of unofficial repositories -- how
does one manage them with apt?
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2521 [19:48:59] <greycat> Third party packages are generally
trouble, and you should keep them to a minimum.
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2525 [19:50:25] <candidat2> hi
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2527 [19:51:03] <mvaenskae> true, yet does the package manager
support third party packages the same way as normal ones?
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2530 [19:51:58] <greycat> Yes.
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2532 [19:52:13] <greycat> apt does not know which repositories are
official Debian ones, and which are crap.
2533 [19:52:13] <apt> greycat: okay
2534 [19:52:18] <greycat> ... fuck
2535 [19:52:31] <greycat> apt, forget does not know which
repositories
2536 [19:52:31] <apt> greycat: i forgot does not know which
repositories
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2572 [20:16:17] <autofsckk> hi, somebody here using saltstack? i
would like to ask for impressions about it :D
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2574 [20:18:54] <jolt> autofsckk: all the major tools in the same
category are pretty good and well developed. I haven't used
salt much since I found that ansible was used on the places I needed
to work. Which of those tools you use are just up to your needs
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2576 [20:20:55] <autofsckk> i have heard of ansible a lot, we
where using puppet in my last job but i didnt like it, and i started
doing some research about salt and i found it great, i want to
control and monitor to start with
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2578 [20:21:33] <autofsckk> jolt: have you tried tinc?
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2580 [20:22:16] <mutante> autofsckk:
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2581 [20:24:40] <autofsckk> mutante: are you changing because you
found something not good with salt or because found this one very
superior?
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2584 [20:25:07] <jolt> autofsckk: A long time ago. I only use
openvpn for tunnels now
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2586 [20:26:57] <mutante> autofsckk: salt wasnt always reliable in
target all the nodes, it would happen that some nodes dont reply for
one reason or another, you would run a command targetting
"*" twice after another but get a different number of
hosts. could not be sure you really got them all
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2589 [20:27:31] <mutante> (that's the part that i know,
others made the architecture decisions)
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2594 [20:31:51] <autofsckk> what about monitoring? what tool is
the winner in your experience?
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2598 [20:34:44] <jolt> autofsckk: I use the carbon/whisper stack,
but with the alternatives written in go, like go-carbon,
carbonzipper etc, with grafana as frontend
2599 [20:35:40] <autofsckk> i dont know carbon, we where trying to
connect salt+grafana and it was doing well
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2603 [20:36:13] <mutante> autofsckk: icinga, puppetized
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2606 [20:36:29] <mutante> (well, it's still not replaced and
proven to work)
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2608 [20:37:41] <autofsckk> at last job there was puppet+icinga
and didnt work or was not configured at all i think
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2613 [20:39:08] <jolt> We run icinga as well, Icinga1 so it's
very outdated, but it does the trick
2614 [20:39:26] <jolt> 1100+ hosts with 12k+ checks :)
2615 [20:39:36] <autofsckk> wow
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2618 [20:40:30] <jolt> So it works, but I think Ill look into
sensu or shinken for my next gig
2619 [20:40:43] <jolt> Or just go with icinga2 since it looks
pretty nice
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2623 [20:43:29] <autofsckk> thanks
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2631 [20:48:45] <jolt> autofsckk: Zabbix is also an alternative to
look at
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2633 [20:50:04] <autofsckk> i also read something about that like
6 monts ago, but now you get obsolete in within months jajajaja
everything moves so fast now
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2646 [20:54:15] <g0zzy> Font fuzzy on this Jessie laptop (see
replaced-url
2647 [20:54:16] <donofrio> anyone run multiple x-Clients feeding
into one X-server for a full desktop from many to one (big screen)
heer is my old daily driver before that had me go down to four
screens -
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2650 [20:56:22] <autofsckk> that looks good
2651 [20:56:23] <autofsckk> :D
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2654 [20:57:13] <donofrio> yah six screens was nice, still limited
to three desktop's hence my question on how to join them (not
worried about HID stuff just want a unified big desktop)
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2663 [21:01:36] <donofrio> someone's gotta know - I'll
just lurk here and someone can pm or speak up when they know and
I'd be very greatful ;)
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2666 [21:02:54] <GJdan> What does D+ mean in the stat column in ps
aux?
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2669 [21:03:06] <greycat> man ps. D means Driver, it's in a
kernel syscall.
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2675 [21:07:14] <GJdan> oh, sorry, I meant R+_
2676 [21:07:19] <GJdan> without the underscore
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2680 [21:07:54] <tw> R = executing, + = foreground.
2681 [21:07:58] <GJdan> but aye, I see now, I should have man ps,
thanks :)
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2686 [21:08:28] <GJdan> been running a dd since this time
yesterday to clean a disk with sensitive data before repurposing it.
Didn't think it would take 24+ hours :\
2687 [21:08:33] <GJdan> 3tb disk
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2690 [21:09:56] <mvaenskae> is virtio-gpu available in debian
stretch as a guest?
2691 [21:09:57] <jolt> GJdan: From /dev/random?
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2695 [21:10:52] <GJdan> /dev/urandom, yeah
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2697 [21:11:13] <tw> mvaenskae: qemu shows it as one of the
available devices... no idea if it's functional.
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2699 [21:11:43] <jolt> GJdan: Right. Takes a lot of time, thats
for sure. I can really recommend something like haveged if the
output of that isnät fast enough. But maybe your bus was the
limit
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2701 [21:12:07] <GJdan> I'm just regretting not piping it
through pv
2702 [21:12:12] <jolt> yeah
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2704 [21:12:27] <jolt> been there, done the same mistakes
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2706 [21:13:26] <donofrio> GJdan, monitor it with iostat
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2724 [21:24:04] <GJdan> oh... look at that. Apparently I forgot to
sudo when I started the dd
2725 [21:24:06] <strive> If I were to disable anything affiliated
with gnome-keyring, what would the system default to?
2726 [21:24:19] <GJdan> would that sit and do nothing all night
instead of telling me it doesn't have permission?
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2729 [21:26:12] <GJdan> trying to decide if I should SIGHUP it
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2731 [21:26:39] <pawky2> does anyone know which package holds the
ntlmv2 protocol for samba?
2732 [21:26:46] <jolt> I use wipe for that stuff, I think it has a
progress bar of some kind as well
2733 [21:27:07] <greycat> pawky2: is it "samba"? Is this
a trick question?
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2735 [21:27:58] <pawky2> well... I know I might be a bit out of
line here.. no, its CIFS... i can login to the server using
smbclient, but CIFS gives me "Status code returned 0xc000006d
NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE"
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2738 [21:28:36] <simbalion`> Is Stretch out? I just saw a
micronews post with a cryptic "Keep Calm and Use Debian"
headline..
2739 [21:28:36] <pawky2> I belive it has to do they support
different authentication protocols.. and my gues is ntlmv2 isnt
installed :-/
2740 [21:28:47] <greycat> stretch has not been released
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2744 [21:29:35] <pawky2> i just need to friggin, connect to my
share :-/
2745 [21:30:18] <jhutchins_wk> simbalion`: Not yet. Soon.
It's a pretty elaborate process, not something that sneaks out.
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2747 [21:30:23] <pawky2> am I way of in the wrong forum?
2748 [21:30:40] <simbalion`> jhutchins_wk: drat.. I got a little
excited (not much since it said to keep calm.)
2749 [21:31:03] <greycat> pawky2: Which version of Debian?
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2751 [21:31:21] <abff> 1) it's a channel, 2) I am too lazy to
read your problem but I smell samba, so if you're running smbd
on Debian then this is probably one of the more active places that
will actually get you help
2752 [21:31:48] <pawky2> greycat: well.. its Jessie
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2755 [21:32:28] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: dpkg -S <path
to>ntlmv2
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2757 [21:32:51] <greycat> Google results for "samba version
ntlmv2" are showing me posts from 2004.
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2759 [21:32:58] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: jessie on both boxes?
2760 [21:33:04] <greycat> I would imagine jessie's version of
samba is new enough.
2761 [21:33:12] <pawky2> No, the other one is an ASUSTOR crappy
thingy
2762 [21:33:25] <pawky2> (RAID)
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2764 [21:34:06] <greycat> What makes you think the authentication
protocol is the issue? As opposed to, say, the Name that you give
when you specify which host to talk to?
2765 [21:34:13] <pawky2> dpkg means I would have the package,
which I dont
2766 [21:34:13] <dpkg> pawky2: I don't know, could you
explain it?
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2768 [21:34:41] <pawky2> dpkg nltmv2
2769 [21:34:41] <dpkg> pawky2: parse error: dunno what the heck
you're talking about
2770 [21:34:42] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: In that case, apt-file
2771 [21:35:01] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: what are YOU talking
about? You think there is supposed to be a file literally named
"ntlmv2" somewhere on disk?
2772 [21:35:02] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: Our infobot responds to a
leading dpkg.
2773 [21:35:13] <pawky2> but if i cannot find it with apt-cache,
then I wont get it with apt-file either...
2774 [21:35:19] <SuperTramp83> Been running stretch on my laptop
for a few days, great so far :)
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2776 [21:35:37] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: Which leads to
greycat's conclusion, it's a feature, not a file.
2777 [21:36:10] <pawky2> well.. it might be a module included in a
package...
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2780 [21:36:42] <pawky2> to make it simple, the current mount -t
cifs -o sec=ntlmv2 wont work...
2781 [21:36:51] <pawky2> any ideas how to make it work?
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2783 [21:37:10] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: Let it decide the protocol
for itself?
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2786 [21:37:19] <greycat> pawky2: the most common reason CIFS/SMB
authentication fails with current versions of software is the Name
you use. Windows expects a non-fully-qualified hostname in most
cases. If you have to specify foo.mycompany.com but the machine only
knows itself as "foo", that will fail.
2787 [21:37:24] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: It could be a matter of how
you're presenting the credentials.
2788 [21:37:39] <pawky2> well if that would have worked I wouldnt
be here in the first place would I? :-)
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2790 [21:38:03] <jhutchins_wk> I believe the Server Name is
configured in smb.conf
2791 [21:38:06] <pawky2> greycat: well i use the IP address ...
2792 [21:38:15] <pawky2> no... not for a cifs mount
2793 [21:38:21] <greycat> OK, that is one of the workarounds. For
some commands anyway.
2794 [21:38:35] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: I've always used the
NETBios name.
2795 [21:38:40] <pawky2> the client Debian , tries to connect to
the ASUSTOR.. that wont work, but doing exactly the same with
smblient works
2796 [21:38:58] <pawky2> no netbios here... ;-)
2797 [21:39:05] <greycat> What's the exact command you used
(minus a password), and what's the exact error?
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2800 [21:39:44] <pawky2> mount -c cifs //111.222.333.444/Music
/mnt/music -o username=some_user
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2803 [21:40:12] <pawky2> which worked before I reinstalled the
Debian Jessie on the client...
2804 [21:40:26] <greycat> What was it before?
2805 [21:40:33] <pawky2> also jessie
2806 [21:40:45] <pawky2> i presume 8 to.... 8.8? :-)
2807 [21:40:50] <pawky2> whats current?
2808 [21:40:56] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: is that -c or -t?
2809 [21:40:59] <greycat> There *was* a samba update in the middle
of jessie....
2810 [21:41:03] <greycat> !jessie samba
2811 [21:41:03] <dpkg> A security update in jessie upgrades Samba
to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <replaced-url
2812 [21:41:08] <pawky2> a -t normally ;-)
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2815 [21:41:46] <pawky2> ok that bot gave me some tips..
2816 [21:41:53] <jhutchins_wk> pawky2: Rats, that would've
been easy.
2817 [21:42:03] <pawky2> lol
2818 [21:42:19] <pawky2> i presume dpkg is a bot.. it gave me some
stuff to look at :-)
2819 [21:42:31] <greycat> yes, it's a bot
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2821 [21:42:43] <pawky2> oh... that link was about the Windows
server, not the client
2822 [21:42:47] <pawky2> ah.. ohh.. wait a minute
2823 [21:42:58] <pawky2> so, the client now enforces ntlmv2? :-)
2824 [21:43:15] <greycat> It'ts mostly about Windows clients
connecting to a Debian Samba server, but you can read all the links.
There may be other surprises.
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2829 [21:43:42] <greycat> The *original* point is that you
don't need to "install ntlmv2". It's part of
Samba.
2830 [21:44:04] <pawky2> did you see the bot output as well?
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2832 [21:44:11] <greycat> Of course.
2833 [21:44:46] <pawky2> ok.. so maybe that security patch now
enforces a ntlmv2 and the server doesnt?... will try it..
2834 [21:47:54] <pawky2> nope.. no difference..
2835 [21:48:22] <pawky2> what does smblient do/not do... that
mount -t cifs does/doesnt?
2836 [21:48:53] <greycat> There's a --verbose option for
mount.cifs
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2838 [21:49:19] <greycat> I have one of these active right now,
from a jessie box: mount.cifs //10.65.192.147/eegrvw /thorb
--verbose -o username=eegrvw
2839 [21:49:45] <greycat> (Would I prefer to use a hostname
instead of an IP? Absolutely. But fucking Microsoft.)
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2842 [21:50:35] <pawky2> well i use ip as well, its more of a
sport ;-)
2843 [21:51:05] <pawky2> doesnt give any more information
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2845 [21:53:10] <pawky2> ton the client side it complains the
mount is write protected (which it isnt) then tells it is
"mountin read-only" but that fails.
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2848 [21:53:58] <pawky2> using Konqueror/Dolphin, I can happily
login to the server, so it must be a protocol issue
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2850 [21:55:06] <greycat> maybe you need to ask #samba at this
point
2851 [21:55:43] <pawky2> no one answers
2852 [21:55:52] <pawky2> I started my quest there
2853 [21:55:53] <jelly> be patient
2854 [21:56:04] <pawky2> true
2855 [21:56:08] <jelly> tis weekend after all
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2857 [21:56:21] <pawky2> I just thought maybe someone in here had
stumbled upon the same issue ;-)
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2859 [21:56:56] <pawky2> windows connection works... reinstall
newer jessie.. not working, am I the only one?
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2861 [21:57:27] <pawky2> or reinstall... its a new install
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2892 [22:09:33] <davidebeatrici> Hello
2893 [22:09:49] <davidebeatrici> I have an Intel HD 4600 and a R9
290
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2896 [22:10:24] <davidebeatrici> The BIOS initializes the HD 4600,
so that the tty appears on the monitor connected to the integrated
GPU
2897 [22:10:32] <davidebeatrici> For when I want to pass the
dedicated card to a VM
2898 [22:11:16] <davidebeatrici> xrandr --listproviders
2899 [22:11:39] <davidebeatrici> Provider 0: id: 0x92 cap: 0xf,
Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 3
outputs: 3 associated providers: 1 name:modesetting
2900 [22:11:39] <davidebeatrici> Provider 1: id: 0x59 cap: 0xf,
Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6
outputs: 4 associated providers: 1 name:HAWAII @ pci:0000:01:00.0
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2902 [22:11:49] <davidebeatrici> By default the AMD is disabled
2903 [22:11:55] <davidebeatrici> I can enable it with:
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2905 [22:12:24] <davidebeatrici> xrandr --setprovideroffloadsink
0x59 0x92
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2907 [22:12:34] <davidebeatrici> xrandr --setprovideroutputsource
0x59 0x92
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2910 [22:12:55] <davidebeatrici> The problem is that I need to
append "DRI_PRIME=1" to every application I want to run
with the dedicated card
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2912 [22:13:05] <davidebeatrici> Is there a way to set it as the
primary card?
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2925 [22:19:48] <tw> Add it to your environment.
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2927 [22:20:48] <tw> maybe add export DRI_PRIME=1 to .xprofile
2928 [22:21:28] <greycat> whatever .xprofile is, it's not
mentioned anywhere in /etc on MY box
2929 [22:21:30] <tw> Not sure the point of running the hd4600 at
all at that point though since all apps will be sent to the r9
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2932 [22:22:29] <davidebeatrici> tw: For VGA Passthrough
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2934 [22:23:18] <davidebeatrici> I need to switch session
(CTRL+ALT+F1), stop SDDM, pass the AMD and then start SDDM again
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2936 [22:23:49] <davidebeatrici> If the BIOS initializes the
dedicated card, the TTY appears there
2937 [22:24:04] <davidebeatrici> And it is a problem, because when
I run the script to pass the card, everything gets stuck
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2954 [22:27:46] <tw> If you did set DRI_PRIME in your environment
and the card is unavailable, does it break?
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2983 [22:38:12] <davidebeatrici> tw: Yes
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3042 [23:10:51] <g0zzy> Font fuzzy on this Jessie laptop (see
replaced-url
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3084 [23:31:40] <AlexPortable> How can I compare installed
packages/programs vs the ones that came by default?
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3094 [23:37:42] <donofrio> anyone run multiple x-Clients feeding
into one X-server for a full desktop from many to one (big screen)
heer is my old daily driver before that had me go down to four
screens -
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