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• 9[00:06:13] <dario_> somiaj, many thanks!
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• 74[00:48:50] <coincoin169> Hi, I want to confirm (or not) something about PXE: the pxelinux.0 (or whatever those are called) are downloaded by the booting client and executed on the client CPU? This means that if I have a different clients (ARM, PPC, x86, ...) I cannot have a single tftp server serving a PXE menu for choosing between different distro/architectures because even this PXE menu has to be run on the client CPU? Am i right or not?
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• 78[00:51:37] <oerheks> yes you can replaced-url
• 79[00:51:59] <oerheks> the arch of the host would be preferrably 64 bit
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• 82[00:52:39] <coincoin169> oerheks: does this mean that the PXE menu code is executed by the network card?
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• 85[00:54:05] <oerheks> depends what menu you use, that example is simply ascii
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• 87[00:55:33] <coincoin169> yes but even going with simple ASCII this means that the network card executes some opcodes and that a PXE menu can be therefore independant of the client arch, ARM, PPC, x86...?
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• 99[01:00:57] <oerheks> yes, transparant.
• 100[01:01:27] <oerheks> though i never done this with arm, but should basicly be the same
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• 167[01:41:14] <nnyby> hi, the debian wiki says the debian runlevel is defined in /etc/inittab - however, that file isn't there in debian buster/testing replaced-url
• 168[01:41:20] <nnyby> has this been changed since systemd?
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• 170[01:42:10] <nvz> nnyby: yes systemd has changed everything
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• 172[01:42:32] <nnyby> okay, so we should update the wiki
• 173[01:43:05] <nnyby> how are runlevels defined now? do they still exist?
• 174[01:43:08] <nvz> nnyby: perhaps.. youd be surprised how hard it can be to find people to do small tasks like that
• 175[01:43:35] <nnyby> well, i will do it right now soon as i figure out how to log in :P
• 176[01:44:07] <nvz> nnyby: they definately still exist but I'm not certain how they are configured. I do know there is a systemctl default command that loads the default runlevel I'd have to dig around in the docs to figure it out
• 177[01:44:23] <nnyby> alright, thanks
• 178[01:45:09] <nvz> yeah well I wasnt implying I was going to.. just that I'd have to.. heh. I just woke up and I'm on my way to the bathroom :P
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• 181[01:46:39] <nnyby> hehe it's cool, i understand
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• 188[01:57:15] <Tramp> nnyby: I think it depends upon where /lib/systemd/system/default.target points to. A mapping is given in "man runlevel"
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• 191[01:59:27] <nvz> nnyby: yes there are set-default and get-default commands for systemctl and it seems that there is a systemd target for default, emergency, rescue, shutdown, reboot, etc
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• 193[02:00:25] <Tramp> ... and I'd roughly guess that "systemctl isolate <target as given in the man runlevel mapping>" is similar to changing the runlevel ...
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• 197[02:01:22] <Tramp> although according to the telinit-manpage, it's done automagically with telinit.
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• 200[02:02:25] <nvz> yes the init commands still work, but systemd doesn't have runlevels as such.. it has states defined by different targets
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• 240[02:34:53] <Haxxa> Any ides: The repository 'replaced-url
• 241[02:35:00] <Haxxa> can't update by apt any more
• 242[02:35:10] <Haxxa> all my sources are disabled
• 243[02:35:42] <Haxxa> literally every source even from 3rd parties - something went wrong
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• 247[02:37:55] <Berzerker> hello, I'm having a little trouble setting up ipmitool on an OS that's local to the server, first of all, am I not understanding what I'm trying to do, and b) does anyone have any experience?
• 248[02:38:11] <Berzerker> from what I've seen, I should be able to control the IPMI if I have the right kernel modules loaded
• 249[02:38:41] <Berzerker> but I'm still receiving errors after going through the tutorials
• 250[02:39:49] <NEOalquimista> Haxxa: I had the same problem earlier, check your /etc/apt/sources.list
• 251[02:40:07] <NEOalquimista> Here's mine for reference, see if there's anything wrong:
• 252[02:40:11] <NEOalquimista> replaced-url
• 253[02:40:51] <NEOalquimista> It could be the stretch-updates or stretch/updates set incorrectly.
• 254[02:41:16] <NEOalquimista> I wonder if the latest updates messed with it.
• 255[02:42:54] <Haxxa> NEOalquimista, nah i just figured it out
• 256[02:42:58] <Haxxa> network issue
• 257[02:43:07] <NEOalquimista> really? what kind of issue?
• 258[02:43:08] <rozie> Haxxa: use replaced-url
• 259[02:43:14] <Haxxa> should have checked first - vlan config must be broken
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• 261[02:44:49] <Haxxa> any ideas what might be wrong: replaced-url
• 262[02:45:16] <Haxxa> vrmbr0 connects to my router yet vrmbr1 is been used it seems
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• 264[02:46:23] <Haxxa> notice it uses the wrong bridge: replaced-url
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• 274[02:53:48] <rozie> Haxxa: check routing
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• 276[02:54:04] <Haxxa> rozie, yep that was the issue
• 277[02:54:08] <Haxxa> not sure why it changed
• 278[02:54:25] <Haxxa> need to set default static route perm somehow
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• 280[02:55:47] <rozie> post-up entries in /etc/network/interfaces maybe?
• 281[02:56:04] <rozie> or good old rc.local ;)
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• 296[03:09:51] <thingfish> I would like to install Debian, but debian.org's links to install all give 404 errors.
• 297[03:10:00] <thingfish> any idea what's going on?
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• 299[03:10:08] <eck> which link?
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• 301[03:10:41] <thingfish> the ones that point to a netinstall image, or any of the other ways to install.
• 302[03:10:42] <eck> use the 9.1.0 link
• 303[03:10:50] <eck> just replace 9.2.0 with 9.1.0 in the url
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• 305[03:11:08] <eck> looks like they jumped the gun a bi
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• 318[03:23:33] <random_numbers> So, on Stretch, should I keep using iptables or get started with nftables?
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• 329[03:31:29] <nvz> random_numbers: I suppose thats a choice, that only you can decide, but it looks like that may replace iptables and it wouldnt hurt to get out in front of it. See replaced-url
• 330[03:32:09] <random_numbers> I see. Are there any convenient programs ala fwbuilder for nftables?
• 331[03:32:41] <Synisters> who os do you use?
• 332[03:32:56] <random_numbers> Stretch.
• 333[03:32:57] <nvz> that I surely don't know I've rarely used firewalls and usually when I do its in a transparent mode merely so I can audit
• 334[03:33:40] <random_numbers> Ah, alright. Fwbuilder is a GUI for building rules and then compiling to a given target. It supports pf and iptables, amongst other targets.
• 335[03:33:53] <random_numbers> It autogenerates configuration scripts.
• 336[03:34:09] <nvz> a firewall is not really all that useful on a decent OS, it only becomes useful for auditing and adjusting settings, they're not the "set it and forget it" security solution people tend to think they are
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• 338[03:34:57] <random_numbers> Well, they provide a baseline so that stuff you don't want to act as a server but which may or may not decide to do so from one update to the next won't cause trouble.
• 339[03:35:28] <nvz> yeah, they are good for that much, the unexpected/unintented changes
• 340[03:35:45] <Synisters> a firewall is only useful on an obsolete system with a user inadequate of protecting their own shit
• 341[03:35:47] <random_numbers> For other stuff I'll agree it's more "specific uses-cases" than any sort of general thing.
• 342[03:36:04] <random_numbers> Synisters: Nice to know you revise the install scripts of every single package you install.
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• 344[03:37:11] <nvz> its not that we look over every line of code so much as I think most of us have learned to closely monitor our machines and know how much resources they use for various tasks and such and we can just feel when something changes, if not see it because we're looking at monitors and logs frequently
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• 347[03:37:37] <nvz> you have a valid point though in using it to protect against oversight
• 348[03:37:49] <random_numbers> I tend to disable as many daemons as possible for speed purposes, but I could always miss something.
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• 350[03:38:28] <Sinisters> we could all miss something though, that's often the devil's advocate of perfectionism
• 351[03:38:33] <nvz> yeah I disable most everything when I install/update it.. I'm not hosting here.. so I keep things like transmission, ssh, etc disabled unless needed, and I start em manually
• 352[03:39:29] <random_numbers> Sounds reasonable.
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• 355[03:39:49] <nvz> hell I thought I got hacked about a week ago when I discovered some suspicious files in /usr/local/bin then realized they were put there by armbian's installer
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• 357[03:40:50] <Sinisters> man i always think i'm being hacked
• 358[03:40:51] <random_numbers> You might get some use out of apt-file for looking up if some package contains said files.
• 359[03:40:56] <Sinisters> overly paranoid all the time
• 360[03:41:00] <nvz> I was operating on the knowledge that I know I didnt put em there, and debian's policy wouldnt allow them to be there.. I thought I knew the few armbian-specific portions of my system but turns out I'd over looked this nasty little remote USB thing they put on there
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• 362[03:41:18] <nvz> Sinisters: just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you
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• 365[03:41:44] <Sinisters> their always out to get us'
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• 368[03:42:23] <Synisters> like now this shit is f'd
• 369[03:42:25] <nvz> yeah, it would appear so.. and the ways they'll so so, not to mention the /reasons/ for it are astounding
• 370[03:42:44] <Synisters> yes indeed
• 371[03:43:06] <random_numbers> "It's to protect freedumz"
• 372[03:43:21] <Synisters> ha nice
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• 374[03:43:47] <nvz> I've taken to encrypting everything, even handwritten shopping lists.. these damn people trying to push an agenda will find a way to use anything against you anymore
• 375[03:44:35] <random_numbers> You know, given how facial recognition is horribly easy these days, I doubt that helps all that much.
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• 377[03:45:16] <nvz> yeah, we should move this discussion to #debian-offtopic or ##nvz if youre interested in continuing.
• 378[03:45:30] <random_numbers> Right for OT
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• 381[03:45:43] <Synisters> unless you're using your cell off the grid, then you're always on it, encryption or not, shit's just to easy now
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• 387[03:49:20] <floyd_> Hello, world.
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• 391[03:51:23] <Synisters> hello floyd
• 392[03:51:36] <Synisters> we are not the world, but hello
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• 428[04:09:56] <floyd_> ;)
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• 454[04:23:49] <floyd_> See you later, guys. Bye!
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• 469[04:28:48] <Ellied> Why does Testing have a half-upgraded set of Plasma packages right now? plasma-desktop is at 5.10.5 but tons of packages are still 5.8.7. It seems to have broken my task manager, which doesn't respond to right-clicks.
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• 473[04:29:27] <annadane> Ellied, welcome to testing. and you should probably ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 478[04:33:02] <Ellied> hm. alright
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• 536[05:15:39] <Laice> hi guys, is this the best place to ask about apt issues for debian?
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• 539[05:16:52] <Laice> I'm seeing 503 Quorum weight not reached trying to apt-get update
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• 542[05:17:32] <annadane> Laice, if you're on stable, yep
• 543[05:17:38] <annadane> !bat
• 544[05:17:38] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 546[05:18:10] <Laice> it's stretch, so I won't bother you
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• 549[05:18:34] <Laice> oh stretch is stable
• 550[05:18:37] <Laice> derp
• 551[05:18:38] <annadane> yep
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• 553[05:19:23] <Laice> replaced-url
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• 556[05:20:58] <Laice> worth noting this is from the official debian docker image from the repository
• 557[05:21:12] <Laice> but normally no problems during build
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• 559[05:21:46] <dka> Hey guys
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• 561[05:21:55] <dka> I want to upload a file using bash
• 562[05:22:00] <dka> So I need to install curl
• 563[05:22:08] <dka> when I do apt-get update I have an error
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• 565[05:22:17] <dka> 503 Quorum weight not reached
• 566[05:22:20] <Laice> I'm sensing a pattern here.
• 567[05:22:22] <dka> W: The repository 'replaced-url
• 568[05:22:31] <annadane> oh dear.
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• 570[05:22:43] <annadane> i quit. i'm joining the slackware support channel.
• 571[05:22:47] <Laice> haha
• 572[05:23:09] <Laice> I'll assume someone's panicking somewhere and try later, cheers anyway :)
• 573[05:23:40] <dka> :)
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• 576[05:26:51] <annadane> (i'd answer both of your questions if i actually knew the answer)
• 577[05:27:28] <annadane> someone in #debian on oftc has the same problem
• 578[05:27:37] <annadane> so i'll assume something recently happened with the mirrors
• 579[05:27:40] <annadane> Laice, dka
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• 581[05:27:57] <Laice> annadane: I'd imagine this is something to do with the point release and one of the director servers has had a wobbly
• 582[05:28:08] <annadane> right
• 583[05:28:22] <dka> I managed by using some cache
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• 586[05:29:10] <Laice> dka: I'd love to but I thought "Let's clean house!" and cleared all the docker images and now can't rebuild. I'll be messier next time :)
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• 588[05:29:24] <Laice> whoami
• 589[05:29:28] <Laice> whoops
• 590[05:29:42] <annadane> dka, how'd you fix it specifically? i might be able to tell this other perso
• 591[05:29:44] <annadane> person
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• 597[05:30:19] <KinkyNerd> hi
• 598[05:30:20] <dka> annadane, I was building a Docker image and I was at the end clearling the apt cache and sources
• 599[05:30:28] <dka> I just commented up that to install curl
• 600[05:30:34] <annadane> dka, so just apt autoclean?
• 601[05:30:40] <dka> yes
• 602[05:30:45] <annadane> okay
• 603[05:30:45] <dka> I commented it
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• 606[05:31:36] <annadane> dka, by "it" what do you mean specifically
• 607[05:31:56] <dka> # # Remove installed deps
• 608[05:31:56] <dka> # RUN apt-get remove -y wget build-essential git libtool libdb-dev groff groff-base
• 609[05:31:56] <dka> # RUN apt-get autoclean && \
• 610[05:31:56] <dka> # rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* && \
• 611[05:31:57] <dka> # rm -rf /usr/share/locale/* && \
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• 614[05:32:21] <Laice> looks like you're no longer doing any apt operations at all then, hence why the container now starts :)
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• 616[05:33:26] <Laice> or builds i should say
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• 621[05:40:19] <annadane> Laice, try changing your mirror to a local one replaced-url
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• 623[05:40:39] <annadane> dka as well
• 624[05:40:47] <annadane> try changing your mirror to a local one replaced-url
• 625[05:42:16] <Laice> annadane: Was worried you were going to suggest that :) just started writing the sed command
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• 630[05:46:14] <HAMGUCCI|46213> Hello
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• 642[05:57:07] <Laice> dka annadane: fixed it. made a fresh sources.list and during the docker build copied it to the containers /etc/apt/sources.list with the UK mirrors. sources.list placed in (assuming the folder with the dockerfile folder is the root) /.config/sources.list and "COPY .config/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list" in the dockerfile. Boom :)
• 643[05:57:49] <Laice> generated sources.list with replaced-url
• 644[05:58:11] <themill> don't do that....
• 645[05:58:33] <themill> !debgen
• 646[05:58:33] <dpkg> Websites that generate a <sources.list> for you (like replaced-url
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• 648[06:00:01] <Laice> This was the generated: replaced-url
• 649[06:00:40] <Laice> I see what you mean with the stable, lesson learned
• 650[06:01:02] <themill> using ftp.d.o is also discouraged and the uk mirror does tend to fall over reasonably often
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• 652[06:01:35] <Laice> I'm hoping the 503 errors stop on the cdn soon at which point I'll no longer need it
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• 654[06:03:43] <Laice> for now atleast the containers running again, i can breathe!
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• 687[06:40:51] <rmzelnick> how compatible is systemd with sysV init?
• 688[06:41:07] <rmzelnick> can I have systemd and sysV init at the same time?
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• 690[06:41:44] <klys> you can't and they're designed incompatibly.
• 691[06:42:14] <rmzelnick> Ok, so I suppose I have no other option
• 692[06:42:40] <rmzelnick> how do I manage runlevels on systemd?
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• 695[06:47:32] <Nawab> hello
• 696[06:47:41] <Nawab> i decided to try out opeenbox
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• 698[06:47:50] <Nawab> but it opens very slowly
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• 701[06:48:23] <Nawab> i hav installed the package,created a .xinitrc and .xsession file with exec openbox-session in it
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• 705[06:49:08] <rmzelnick> I have to switch back to systemd
• 706[06:49:15] <rmzelnick> I have used 'nosystemd' repositories
• 707[06:49:21] <Nawab> but either if i open it with gdm or .xinitrc/.xsession it opens very slowly
• 708[06:49:24] <rmzelnick> How do I get rid of it's packages?
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• 753[07:55:50] <Vasistha> I installed debian to a usb flash drive (something I have done many times before) but this one will not boot. Before bringing up a grub menu, I get a black screen with blinking cursor bar in the top left, indefinitely
• 754[07:56:31] <klys> vasistha, mbr?
• 755[07:57:33] <Vasistha> klys: on the prompt- I didn't want to install to my regular HDD MBR because I want to boot the drive elsewhere. So after pressing "no" to the first question, I installed to the flash drive.
• 756[07:57:57] <Vasistha> klys: Maybe you're suggesting I need to somehow check mbr of the flash drive for integrity or something?
• 757[07:58:13] <klys> vasistha, did you install grub2 to the mbr of the usb flash device?
• 758[07:58:17] <Vasistha> klys: yes.
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• 760[07:58:45] <klys> vasistha, are you booting from an mbr-capable bios system?
• 761[07:58:47] <Vasistha> klys: that is to say - I followed the prompts in the debian installer to do it (which again - I've done numerous times before over years, this is the first time I've seen it not work)
• 762[07:59:47] <Vasistha> klys: I think so? I've never knowingly had any other experience. This is a rather old w500 thinkpad laptop
• 763[07:59:54] <klys> then yes.
• 764[08:00:44] <klys> vasistha, you may need to edit /boot/grub/devices.map
• 765[08:01:04] <Vasistha> klys: thanks for the tip, I will try that now!
• 766[08:02:18] <Vasistha> klys: I assume you mean on the flash drive. Well, flash drive doesn't even have a devices.map which is kind of odd I think. It does have a grub.cfg
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• 769[08:03:51] <Vasistha> The new /boot/grub is not well populated, no fonts/ no i386-pc/ no locale/ no grubenv
• 770[08:04:48] <Vasistha> My current system is oldstable / jessie, shall I just copy the same? Or do I need to do some special effort to get newer stretch versions? (I think a lot of this stuff is pretty generic)
• 771[08:05:09] <klys> vasistha, then install grub-pc and grub-pc-bin
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• 773[08:05:43] <Vasistha> klys: I assume you mean via chroot, onto the flash drive?
• 774[08:05:50] <klys> yes
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• 777[08:08:50] <Vasistha> klys: grub-pc is already the newest version (2.02~beta3-5).
• 778[08:08:54] <Vasistha> ditto for grub-pc-bin
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• 780[08:09:18] <klys> vasistha, have you run grub-install to your partition of choice?
• 781[08:09:52] <Vasistha> klys: not manually; I thought debian-installer would have done that for me, but I will go ahead and try now
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• 785[08:11:00] <Vasistha> klys: do I want something like: grub-install /dev/sdc1
• 786[08:11:15] <Vasistha> or maybe without the 1
• 787[08:11:19] <klys> vasistha, if you do that, also do install-mbr /dev/sdc
• 788[08:11:34] <Vasistha> klys: install-mbr is first I guess?
• 789[08:11:41] <klys> yes
• 790[08:11:52] <klys> that requres the mbr package
• 791[08:14:19] <Vasistha> klys: replaced-url
• 792[08:15:25] <klys> vasistha, perhaps you would like to install grub-legacy?
• 793[08:15:41] <Vasistha> ...although the good news is that it seems to have inserted the missing directories
• 794[08:16:31] <Vasistha> klys: I could do that; since it did put some files in there, do you think it'd be worth a boot attempt?
• 795[08:16:35] <klys> vasistha, if you install grub-legacy, you can load grub2 this way: root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/grub/core.img
• 796[08:17:04] <Vasistha> (any other loose ends to tie before attempting a boot?)
• 797[08:17:42] <klys> you can attempt a boot except at this stage it looks like that won't work for you.
• 798[08:17:58] <Vasistha> ...because the grub-install command failed?
• 799[08:18:03] <klys> yes
• 800[08:18:15] <Vasistha> ok, grub-legacy it is
• 801[08:19:37] <klys> it looks like installing grub-legacy will remove grub2. you can copy the files from /boot/grub to a backup now.
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• 806[08:20:49] <klys> vasistha, did you want to use grub-legacy exclusively?
• 807[08:21:04] <Vasistha> klys: sure, why not. I just want to get this thing booted
• 808[08:21:14] <Vasistha> it doesn't matter - anything to get booted, you know
• 809[08:21:26] <klys> vasistha, then install to /dev/sdc1 and install-mbr /dev/sdc
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• 811[08:21:50] <Vasistha> klys: command to install grub-legacy? I installed via apt, but I'm pretty sure I need to do something
• 812[08:21:55] <klys> vasistha, you may need to update the boot menu also
• 813[08:22:39] <klys> vasistha, it should have a command called grub-install. if not, let me know and I'll plug the old-fashioned way.
• 814[08:23:19] <BenNZ> klys: i would still recommend using grub2
• 815[08:23:29] <BenNZ> oops Vasistha i mean
• 816[08:23:30] <Vasistha> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
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• 818[08:23:38] <klys> bennz, even with that error mesage?
• 819[08:23:55] <klys> vasistha, why not?
• 820[08:24:11] <Vasistha> good question! That's the error message that came up at the end
• 821[08:24:14] <BenNZ> klys: is that partition mounted to copy files to it
• 822[08:24:17] <klys> vasistha, /boot/grub/stage1 should be 512 bytes.
• 823[08:24:28] <Vasistha> it is
• 824[08:25:09] <BenNZ> Vasistha: assuming thats / and you dont have a seperate /boot and / is mounted in /mnt rung grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdc
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• 826[08:25:26] <BenNZ> *run
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• 828[08:25:51] <Vasistha> BenNZ: I'm running in chroot
• 829[08:26:36] <BenNZ> Vasistha: did you bind sys proc dev ?
• 830[08:26:48] <Vasistha> yes.
• 831[08:28:19] <Vasistha> fwiw here is another paste, from attempting to install grub-legacy on the flash drive. Not sure what to do next - if I should do the install-mbr - because it's not clear if the grub-install was successful at all.
• 832[08:28:21] <Vasistha> replaced-url
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• 834[08:28:46] <BenNZ> Vasistha: then use grub-install --force /dev/sdc
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• 836[08:29:15] <Vasistha> just to be clear - sdc or sdc1 ? and why one or the other?
• 837[08:29:52] <klys> vasistha, in this case (grub-legacy), sdc1 is used if it is the active partition and you have an mbr installed.
• 838[08:29:53] <BenNZ> Vasistha: sdc would be the mbr of sdc
• 839[08:30:25] <BenNZ> Vasistha: you only specify a partition for the boot files if its not /
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• 841[08:31:10] <Vasistha> unrecognized option '--force'
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• 843[08:31:55] <BenNZ> Vasistha: ok isnt recognized anymore , so did you chroot from an existing os or live media ?
• 844[08:32:08] <Vasistha> existing installation of jessie
• 845[08:32:51] <BenNZ> Vasistha: ok then use that instead of chroot
• 846[08:32:57] <klys> would you like the old command? # grub grub> root (hd2,0) grub> install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd2,0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 p
• 847[08:33:03] <BenNZ> Vasistha: use the command i posted earlier
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• 849[08:34:35] <Vasistha> just to be sure - how to confirm that hd2 is correct? Does it definitely correspond with sdc?
• 850[08:34:59] <klys> you should have tab completions on filenames
• 851[08:36:37] <Vasistha> I don't have any tab completions on filenames, just getting "Error 15: File not found" if I attempt to tab complete anything
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• 853[08:36:54] <klys> oh, then try (hd1,0) and (hd0,0)
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• 857[08:38:06] <BenNZ> i wouldnt do that , as they refer to partitions
• 858[08:38:20] <klys> bennz, if the file is not found then it won't act
• 859[08:38:23] <BenNZ> you want to install grub to the mbr , unless using uefi
• 860[08:38:40] <BenNZ> klys: grub goes to the mbr
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• 862[08:38:57] <klys> yeah, you can install grub to the mbr, or you can use the mbr package
• 863[08:40:01] <BenNZ> klys: but dont install grub to a partition , only the grub files need to go there , which with grub2 is specified with the --root-directory or --boot-directory=
• 864[08:40:25] <klys> there isn't a bug which would cause that to not work
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• 866[08:40:47] <klys> there was such a bug in grub2, except that has been fixed.
• 867[08:40:49] <Vasistha> well, (hd1,0) is my running jessie system; but (hd0,0) and (hd2,0) I can't get any tab completions at all
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• 869[08:41:27] <klys> vasistha, just to clarify, you want to install to (hd1,0) or that's the parent of this chroot setup?
• 870[08:41:38] <BenNZ> klys: parent chroot
• 871[08:41:51] <Vasistha> ^^ correct
• 872[08:42:00] <BenNZ> klys: also that wont boot if sdc is selected to boot from in the bios as there is nothing in the mbr
• 873[08:42:06] <klys> try (hd3,0), etc.
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• 875[08:42:23] <Vasistha> selected disk does not exist
• 876[08:42:26] <BenNZ> Vasistha: trust me dont install grub to a partition
• 877[08:43:00] <klys> bennz, grub> quit
• 878[08:43:11] <klys> vasistha, grub> quit
• 879[08:43:14] <klys> imean
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• 881[08:43:24] <Vasistha> yeah... not getting anywhere with this either unfortunately :(
• 882[08:43:32] <klys> and please upgrade your filesystem to ext3 with tune2fs -j
• 883[08:43:46] <Vasistha> er, it's ext4
• 884[08:43:49] <klys> also, remember to umount it forst
• 885[08:43:50] <BenNZ> Vasistha: if you try embedding grub using blocklist you will get the error about doing so and it wont install
• 886[08:43:56] <hiya> Can someone please help me compile a package called mkclean for debian?
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• 888[08:44:50] <Vasistha> klys: filesystem is ext4
• 889[08:44:51] <klys> vasistha, sorr, this error message was unclear: grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding.
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• 891[08:45:09] <BenNZ> Vasistha: yes it doesnt
• 892[08:45:15] <Vasistha> klys: yeah I thought it was weird too. Maybe it's referring to all ext variants as ext2
• 893[08:45:18] <BenNZ> Vasistha: but you want to install grub to the mbr anyway
• 894[08:45:31] <klys> vasistha, reinstall grub-pc and grub-pc-bin
• 895[08:45:58] <BenNZ> Vasistha: its quite simple , youre getting that error because youre trying to embed grub to a partition that doesnt support embedding , hence the error
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• 897[08:46:32] <BenNZ> Vasistha: so it makes no sense to embed anyway , you want grub installed to the mbr
• 898[08:46:40] <Vasistha> ok, installing via apt, and it's giving me a prompt to automatically install grub.
• 899[08:46:47] <BenNZ> Vasistha: also i am assuming legacy bios
• 900[08:47:39] <klys> vasistha, do you have another spare usb disk?
• 901[08:47:44] <Vasistha> BenNZ: I'll be happy to get it installed anywhere it will run, but so far it doesn't seem like either grub2 or grub-legacy wants to install. Here's the first paste from earlier, dunno if you saw it replaced-url
• 902[08:47:58] <Vasistha> klys: yeah probably, but not a nice fast one like this. Why?
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• 904[08:48:08] <BenNZ> Vasistha: not surprised
• 905[08:48:19] <klys> vasistha, you may need to resize your ext4 partition and make a new boot partition.
• 906[08:48:38] <BenNZ> Vasistha: all you need to do is exit the chroot , and install grub from the existing os
• 907[08:48:45] <BenNZ> Vasistha: as i said before
• 908[08:48:47] <klys> vasistha, or you could just boot grub rescue from a usb disk and load linux that way
• 909[08:49:48] <Vasistha> klys: well, why don't I start with the rescue, just because I want to see this system boot some way at all. And after I see it work, then I will do the resize so I don't need the rescue disk
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• 912[08:50:19] <Vasistha> BenNZ: pretty sure I tried that before you were contributing?
• 913[08:50:43] <klys> vasistha, look at hat bennz is saying as I think "embedding" may be using chroot in the first place.
• 914[08:50:53] <klys> what*
• 915[08:51:17] <BenNZ> klys: im saying he specified a paritition number as opposed to the mbr
• 916[08:51:28] <Vasistha> thanks guys. Trying this
• 917[08:51:31] <BenNZ> klys: and in this case the partition doesnt support embedding
• 918[08:51:47] <BenNZ> klys: hence the error about the partition not supporting embedding
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• 920[08:52:31] <BenNZ> Vasistha: in the existing os where is / mounted also if it exists where is /boot mounted ?
• 921[08:52:50] <Vasistha> no longer in chroot
• 922[08:52:52] <Vasistha> # grub-install /dev/sdc Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: warning: Attempting to install GRUB to a disk with multiple partition labels. This is not supported yet.. grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install.
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• 924[08:53:47] <Vasistha> BenNZ: ok, I'm in jessie and the flash drive (new stretch install) is mounted at /media/auto,
• 925[08:54:32] <BenNZ> Vasistha: and what partition is the stretch install
• 926[08:54:33] <Vasistha> BenNZ: neither has a separate /boot partition; it's in the root fs
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• 928[08:54:41] <Vasistha> BenNZ: /dev/sdc1
• 929[08:54:51] <klys> meh, if you have a spare usb thing, try making a 504 MB partition at the beginning of the disk like so: # fdisk -u=cylinders -H 16 -S 63 /dev/sdd Command: n (primary) (1) (1) (1023) (type 6)
• 930[08:54:55] <BenNZ> Vasistha: ok , and your not using the chroot anymore
• 931[08:55:04] <Vasistha> BenNZ: nope
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• 933[08:55:32] <BenNZ> Vasistha: so run this , grub-install --root-directory=/media/auto /dev/sdc
• 934[08:55:55] <BenNZ> Vasistha: it might not work as you were half way through using grub legacy
• 935[08:56:00] <klys> vasistha, if you make that partition then you can install grub4dos, grub-legacy, and/or grub2.
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• 937[08:56:16] <BenNZ> Vasistha: you dont need another partition
• 938[08:56:17] <Vasistha> BenNZ: giving same errors as that original paste
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• 941[08:57:49] <klys> ok, I have concluded that BenNZ was right aout what "embedding" is, and that we need a new partition to make things work correctly.
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• 943[08:58:11] <BenNZ> Vasistha: whats the output sudo fdisk -l
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• 947[08:58:27] <BenNZ> im guessing you will receive an error about partition being out of order or some such
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• 952[09:00:11] <Vasistha> BenNZ: nope. replaced-url
• 953[09:00:48] <BenNZ> isnt /dev/sdc1 the exising install ?
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• 956[09:01:33] <Vasistha> BenNZ: jessie is on sdb and is where I'm typing right now, and sdc is the flash drive where I have just installed stretch but can't boot.
• 957[09:01:52] <klys> vasistha, mount /dev/sdc1 and run df on the mountpoint for me, just to see how long it would take to copy that off
• 958[09:02:36] <BenNZ> Vasistha: flash drive you say
• 959[09:02:45] <Vasistha> klys: wouldn't be too long, it's a relatively fast usb flash drive. 4G used, 8.6G free
• 960[09:02:49] <BenNZ> altho it should still work
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• 963[09:03:08] <klys> vasistha, do you have a spare 4 GB somewhere
• 964[09:03:16] <Vasistha> BenNZ: it should! I've installed debian to flash drives maybe a dozen times; often with encrypted root
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• 966[09:03:30] <Vasistha> klys: yeah
• 967[09:03:55] <BenNZ> Vasistha: yeah i have grub2 installed to a s usb aswell
• 968[09:03:56] <klys> vasistha, make the partition I outlined earlier after copying off your disk contents.
• 969[09:04:17] <Vasistha> one thing to keep in mind, this is a just-installed system, and I could just start from scratch again and reinstall stretch
• 970[09:04:43] <klys> vasistha, cp -a os pretty quick I think
• 971[09:04:43] <Vasistha> klys: so I assume I should delete the existing partitions on the spare device
• 972[09:04:48] <klys> is*
• 973[09:05:09] <klys> vasistha, just /dev/sdc1
• 974[09:05:22] <Vasistha> BenNZ: ...although last flash install I did was with wheezy I think
• 975[09:05:33] <BenNZ> Vasistha: just out of curiosity when you used --force , there was no typo ?
• 976[09:05:39] <Vasistha> BenNZ: no, no
• 977[09:05:48] <BenNZ> Vasistha: ok its in the man page still
• 978[09:06:00] <Vasistha> klys: sorry I'm not quite following.
• 979[09:06:26] <klys> vasistha, copy off the contents of your mount to a spare directory with cp -a
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• 982[09:07:08] <Vasistha> klys: could I get like a zoom-out on this strategy? Are we creating a new partition on flash-drive-with-stretch-install? Or .. I thought we could try making a recovery grub boot, and booting sideways from that? I think that would be faster to test?
• 983[09:07:20] <BenNZ> Vasistha: grub-install --force --removable --boot-directory=/media/AUTO /dev/sdc should work
• 984[09:07:33] <BenNZ> sorry root-directory=
• 985[09:08:35] <Vasistha> BenNZ: hey hey, "Installation finished. No error reported." - maybe it just required that --removable flag
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• 990[09:08:59] <klys> vasistha, sounds like it worked
• 991[09:09:34] <Vasistha> yeah, right? I'm gonna go test this thing, and maybe I can bring up irc on my phone in the meantime. I'll be back in a few minutes in either case - perhaps from the new install!!
• 992[09:09:54] <Vasistha> thanks guys - back soon!
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• 1005[09:15:21] <dtux> I did a dist-upgrade today and when I rebooted, i get dropped on a grub cli. not sure how to fix this, any tips?
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• 1007[09:15:53] <nkuttler> dtux: running testing/unstable?
• 1008[09:15:58] <BenNZ> dtux: if you can boot live media and reinstall grub , or another os if available
• 1009[09:16:06] <hiya> is there a way to get latest handbrake for debian 9?
• 1010[09:16:09] <dtux> nkuttler: no, stable
• 1011[09:16:10] <hiya> nothing in backports
• 1012[09:16:12] <hiya> give me 1.0
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• 1014[09:16:25] <klys> dtux, grub> root=(hd0,0) grub> insmod ext4
• 1015[09:16:30] <nkuttler> dtux: why did you dist-upgrade?
• 1016[09:16:33] <Vasistha> hey benNZ, klys, I got booted! thanks so much for all your help
• 1017[09:16:34] <dtux> BenNZ: ive booted into rescue mode from a flash drive
• 1018[09:17:01] <dtux> nkuttler: because there was one available
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• 1020[09:17:03] <nkuttler> dtux: with stable you shouldn't need to dist-upgrade, unless you upgrade to a new release
• 1021[09:17:14] <dtux> klys: what does that do?
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• 1023[09:17:55] <klys> dtux, I think grub knows whee it lives, so it should try to find existing modules and load your fs driver
• 1024[09:17:59] <BenNZ> dtux: ok mount the / to /mnt and if need be mount /boot to /mnt/boot , then use grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdx
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• 1026[09:18:03] <dtux> nkuttler: oh ya? what exactly is the distinction?
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• 1030[09:18:54] <dtux> BenNZ: I have 2 drive in a raid volume, so install to both drives?
• 1031[09:18:59] <dtux> drives*
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• 1033[09:19:10] <nkuttler> dtux: dist-upgrade handles new package versions. but ok, if you only have stable sources it shouldn't matter
• 1034[09:19:16] <BenNZ> dtux: dist-upgrade will install new , remove old packages also will try to resolve conflicts , which can leave the system in an unwanted state
• 1035[09:20:02] <BenNZ> dtux: it doesnt actually upgrade the version of debian from one to the next'
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• 1037[09:20:39] <dtux> hmmm interesting
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• 1039[09:20:51] <nkuttler> dtux: is it a software raid?
• 1040[09:21:18] <dtux> nkuttler: yes, i set it up when i installed debian
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• 1043[09:22:26] <nkuttler> dtux: your /boot is on the raid as well, right?
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• 1046[09:23:18] <dtux> nkuttler: yes
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• 1048[09:24:38] <nkuttler> dtux: ok. i have no experience with that. i'd probably try supergrub, which comes with device detection and stuff
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• 1050[09:25:24] <nkuttler> !supergrub
• 1051[09:25:24] <dpkg> Super Grub Disk and Super Grub2 Disk are forks of <GRUB Legacy> and <GRUB2> respectively, which can be used to repair existing GNU GRUB installations. replaced-url
• 1052[09:25:48] <dtux> cool, i'll check it out
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• 1054[09:27:01] <nkuttler> dtux: did you upgrade any packages that could be related to the boot process?
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• 1056[09:27:30] <nkuttler> dtux: even if, on stable that shouldn't normally make your system unbootable. i wouldn't rule out hardware failure
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• 1060[09:28:44] <dtux> nkuttler: yes, linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
• 1061[09:29:22] <dtux> then i did an autoremove and a reboot
• 1062[09:29:47] <nkuttler> dtux: there were no errors in the output during the upgrade?
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• 1064[09:30:12] <nkuttler> anyway, see if you can boot with supergrub
• 1065[09:30:12] <dtux> nkuttler: nope: replaced-url
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• 1071[09:32:53] <COOurb> hi
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• 1073[09:33:11] <COOurb> How to make debian installation-usb?
• 1074[09:33:21] <COOurb> I've got 3 DVD images
• 1075[09:33:30] <COOurb> so I dunno what to do
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• 1080[09:35:51] <coruja> replaced-url
• 1081[09:36:51] <COOurb> i've got 3 images. Some files repeated
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• 1103[09:55:04] <annadane> COOurb, you probably just want the first one, the one that says "1"
• 1104[09:55:16] <annadane> you can install the stuff you want afterwards
• 1105[09:55:56] <annadane> something like replaced-url
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• 1107[09:56:23] <annadane> "Initially, you will only need to download and use the first image of a set (labelled as debian-something-1 to be able to start the Debian installer and set up Debian on your computer. If there are more images available here (labelled debian-something-2, debian-something-3, etc.), they contain the extra packages that can be installed on a Debian system (as mentioned previously). They will not be bootable and are
• 1108[09:56:23] <annadane> entirely optional. If you have a fast Internet connection, you're most likely better off installing any desired extra packages directly from the Debian mirrors on the Internet instead of by using these extra images." replaced-url
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• 1113[09:58:08] <COOurb> >you can install the stuff you want afterwards
• 1114[09:58:11] <COOurb> How?
• 1115[09:58:20] <COOurb> I mean, I don't wanna use internet
• 1116[09:59:18] <COOurb> Now I use Windows and I don't know how to copy packages for linux.
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• 1119[09:59:43] <COOurb> For windows I just make directory "Soft" and just copy all my stuff in it
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• 1121[10:00:06] <nic109000> hi people
• 1122[10:00:16] <nkuttler> !tell COOurb about apt-zip
• 1123[10:00:28] <nic109000> i'm looking for some help with xrandr, the scaling made me nuts all day
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• 1127[10:02:45] <TimeTraveler> hi folks
• 1128[10:02:50] <nic109000> hi
• 1129[10:02:57] <TimeTraveler> im using ossec
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• 1131[10:03:34] <TimeTraveler> and i got an email that says rule 1003 triggered syslog message too long and it shows a portion of the message, and its just x01\x01\x01 repeating over and over again
• 1132[10:03:41] <TimeTraveler> any idea what that is or means
• 1133[10:03:43] <TimeTraveler> ?
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• 1135[10:03:52] <nic109000> sorry no idea
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• 1143[10:05:15] <annadane> TimeTraveler, should probably ask in #ossec
• 1144[10:05:44] <TimeTraveler> yeah
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• 1146[10:06:38] <annadane> it's apparently not even in debian according to dpkg
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• 1150[10:07:28] <Scorpio> hello
• 1151[10:07:45] <nic109000> hi
• 1152[10:07:52] <Scorpio> !list
• 1153[10:07:52] <dpkg> scorpio: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
• 1154[10:08:25] <annadane> nic109000, so essentially you're just trying to change your resolution to something more bearable?
• 1155[10:09:05] <nic109000> i want to reduce the resolution without adding a newmode
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• 1158[10:09:37] <nic109000> i was able to do it via nvidia propietary drivers back then in another computer
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• 1162[10:11:21] <annadane> nic109000, i know very little about xrandr but if you were able to do it with prop. drivers then what you may have is a missing firmware issue, which you can check by dmesg | grep firmware
• 1163[10:11:21] <nic109000> played a bit with xrandr --fb, but it doesn't center the resolution
• 1164[10:11:31] <annadane> other than that, i'll let the xrandr folks take this one
• 1165[10:11:42] <nic109000> where are those folks?
• 1166[10:11:54] <annadane> possibly asleep, but in this channel nevertheless
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• 1168[10:12:17] <nic109000> okay thanks
• 1169[10:12:26] <annadane> you could potentially try asking in a few hours or on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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• 1198[10:43:33] <newcoder> Suppose I have install debian 9.1 , then is it possible to downgrade it to debian-8.8?
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• 1208[10:48:07] <Rashad> Hello. Sometimes I install packages to test them out or use them briefly. Is there a way to automatically remove packages that haven't been in use for a long time?
• 1209[10:48:10] <Rashad> (I am not talking about orphaned packages)
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• 1211[10:49:46] <buu> Is it possible for a failing hard disk (in a raid) to cause the system to hard poweroff?
• 1212[10:50:06] <buu> Hmm, isn't there a setting somewhere to control what happens on a kernel panic?
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• 1214[10:51:03] <annadane> newcoder, no, not really
• 1215[10:51:30] <buu> With a fairly default install will a kernel panic cause a hard shutdown?
• 1216[10:51:36] <nix64bit> i think i have a memory leak in mozilla thunderbird, is there a way to put a debug trace on it?
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• 1226[10:58:34] <iflema> buu: faulty hardware may do it. In the system logs may be a clue.
• 1227[10:59:23] <buu> iflema: dmesg?
• 1228[10:59:28] <buu> which logs
• 1229[10:59:43] <iflema> buu: /var/log
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• 1231[11:00:25] <buu> Er, there's like 10 different logs in there
• 1232[11:00:35] <iflema> messages?
• 1233[11:00:48] <buu> oh ok
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• 1236[11:01:50] <iflema> buu: oh... systemd - journalctrl
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• 1238[11:03:38] <iflema> buu: with journalctrl you can check logs from a certain time period or since last boot or whatever.
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• 1241[11:04:28] <BernhardPosselt> how do i restart the install process again after a failed installation?
• 1242[11:04:56] <buu> iflema: oh, neat
• 1243[11:04:57] <iflema> not sure how debian handles the logs lately... I havnt looked
• 1244[11:05:10] <buu> journalctl sounds easier
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• 1246[11:05:26] <iflema> buu: man journalctrl
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• 1248[11:05:45] <BernhardPosselt> upgrade failed for opendkim because i didnt save the adjusted config
• 1249[11:06:16] <BernhardPosselt> afaik there was some dpkg command
• 1250[11:06:19] <BernhardPosselt> dpkg --reconfigure?
• 1251[11:06:20] <dpkg> BernhardPosselt: have you tried replaced-url
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• 1255[11:08:45] <spacebug^> ehm.. I'm using unattended-upgrades on two computers. They both have the same setup. One computer found a bounch of updates today. The other one who checked later, only found one of the updates. When I manually did apt-get update a few hours later it did fiund the updates.. ?
• 1256[11:09:22] <iflema> spacebug^: different mirrors used for download?
• 1257[11:09:23] <annadane> no idea, but 9.2 released today and maybe you updated when the mirrors were in transition
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• 1259[11:09:48] <iflema> probably mirror... try another or wait
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• 1261[11:10:23] <spacebug^> iflema: no, same mirror
• 1262[11:10:35] <iflema> spacebug^: maybe 9.2 release
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• 1264[11:11:00] <iflema> what order? found heaps then found 1?
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• 1266[11:11:18] <iflema> meh
• 1267[11:11:21] <annadane> not all mirrors are updated at the same time
• 1268[11:11:30] <annadane> but it sounds like everything works fine now
• 1269[11:11:33] <iflema> lets say 9.2
• 1270[11:11:40] <iflema> next
• 1271[11:11:43] <iflema> :D
• 1272[11:12:00] <annadane> !next
• 1273[11:12:01] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1276[11:13:40] <spacebug^> one machine -> replaced-url
• 1277[11:13:46] <nix64bit> !why the long face?
• 1278[11:14:14] <spacebug^> both machines are in sync timewise and are using the same mirror
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• 1292[11:25:51] <E31F2> how do i give user1 full read/write/exec permissions for the home folder of user2 and vice versa?
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• 1294[11:29:09] <spacebug^> E31F2: you could put them in the same group, change the group of the home folders to that group and then give that group R/W/X permissions on both folders. Or you could use setfacl command (man setfacl)
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• 1298[11:32:29] <E31F2> @spacebug^: thanks!
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• 1481[13:53:25] <bs0d> Hello community. Do I need to specify acl in fstab for systems where I wish to enable acl?
• 1482[13:53:37] <bs0d> I have found some guides, but I suspect these may be outdated
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• 1485[13:54:17] <somiaj> I belive it is alredy enabled, have you tried setfacl?
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• 1489[13:55:10] <bs0d> yes, I got command not found response. Then I ran sudo apt-get install acl and installed it. Now I get a message setfacl: Option -m is incomplete
• 1490[13:55:13] <somiaj> wiki says any kernel > 2.6.18 has acl, and we are way past that, you may just need to install the acl package.
• 1491[13:55:38] <somiaj> does mount -o remount,acl /filesysetm
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• 1493[13:56:16] <bs0d> somiaj maybe I am missing a reboot after installing the acl package?
• 1494[13:56:20] <bs0d> I didn't think of that
• 1495[13:56:50] <somiaj> got that from the wiki, if that works, then yes you'll need to mention acl in fstab.
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• 1502[14:00:42] <bs0d> somiaj I am running a command sudo setfacl -dR -m u:replaced-url
• 1503[14:00:57] <bs0d> somiaj I did a reboot, so does this mean I need to include acl in fstab?
• 1504[14:01:06] <bs0d> or maybe I am missing something else?
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• 1508[14:02:52] <somiaj> bs0d: did you try to remount it with the acl option, did it work after the remount?
• 1509[14:02:56] <somiaj> I don't use acl so unsure on the details.
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• 1523[14:18:41] <buu> if I have an interface, in /etc/network/interfaces configured as 'inet static' with an address/gateway, then set it to 'allow hotplug', will it assume the static address if I plug a cord in?
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• 1527[14:19:54] <somiaj> buu: yes, all allow hotplug does it make it so when ifup --allow hotplug interface is run, the options are only applied if the allow-hotplug option is present
• 1528[14:20:08] <somiaj> and udev will run that that command when the plug is plugged in.
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• 1534[14:22:07] <buu> somiaj: ah, neat
• 1535[14:22:51] <buu> somiaj: So my problem is I have two interfaces defined as static with auto set, but only one has a cord plugged in, when I rebooted it managed to set it up so it was routing via the interface without a cord
• 1536[14:23:02] <buu> So I switched the one I'm most likely to be using to auto and the other to just hotplug
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• 1538[14:24:26] <somiaj> yup, at boot ifup --allow auto is run, brining up only interfaces that allow auto, and auto is an alias for allow auto
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• 1541[14:25:25] <somiaj> you can define your own allow cases, but only auto and hotplug are used by the debian system (Afaik)
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• 1576[14:51:28] <hkla> hi
• 1577[14:52:53] <hkla> i think there once was a bug in apt which allowed packages with wrong hashsums to be installed by modifying the metadata (or something like this), but i am not sure what the current status of it is
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• 1584[14:55:43] <somiaj> hkla: have you checked the bug reports?
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• 1586[14:56:54] <hkla> will do that, i do not remember the date unfortunately
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• 1598[15:03:23] <hkla> maybe it was this one: replaced-url
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• 1602[15:04:25] <abrotman> that's a bit different than whaty ou orginally said
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• 1604[15:05:25] <hkla> right, i didn't remember it correctly
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• 1608[15:06:56] <hkla> anyway, i'd love to be able to have security updates over https - it always fails for some reason. normal updates work most of the time over ftp.de.debian.org.
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• 1626[15:19:20] <jasabella> hi
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• 1636[15:20:14] <miador> hey
• 1637[15:20:32] <miador> how can i install nvidia optimus drivers
• 1638[15:20:34] <jasabella> if i dpkg --get-selections > before, install a whole lot of packages, dpkg --get-selections > after, can i diff before after, s/install/deinstall/ to back out the packages i installed?
• 1639[15:20:37] <miador> in debian 9
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• 1725[15:59:13] <tri0de> hi some weeks back I upgrade to stretch, my machine is old but not more than frozen climbiing, firefox the bad monster -_-, show raw logs for tor package is a bug and systemd a prolific fater alias the pollinizator, i think it is going bad, it is going to Wpre2000... it is only my opinion, i need to say this. :...(
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• 1748[16:09:12] <johnkeates> tri0de: i think you need to try again, maybe use English and have a spell- and grammacheck
• 1749[16:09:32] <flizzy> Good evening everybody
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• 1752[16:10:53] <dvs> morning!
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• 1754[16:11:17] <flizzy> When running Debian on my laptop from an USB Stick, the trackpad does not count me tapping on it as a left-click, so I need to use the actual mouse button for it. Is this an issue that has to do with the live-version? (and if it isn't is it something that can be fixed?)
• 1755[16:11:58] <johnkeates> no, it's a setting, go to settings and change it
• 1756[16:12:07] <johnkeates> it is the default so you'll have to set it again on every live boot
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• 1758[16:13:09] <flizzy> But should I decide to install Debian it would save obviously?
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• 1762[16:15:21] <johnkeates> yes
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• 1764[16:15:59] <tri0de> yes johnkeates my english is bad and ispell must be my friend, but my frustration, I think... is clear
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• 1769[16:20:06] <johnkeates> tri0de: not really. the only thing that comes out of your story is that you are trying to use software on hardware that doesn't have the resources for it?
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• 1779[16:26:28] <hkla> you can try something like lubuntu on older machines, tri0de
• 1780[16:26:43] <hkla> or maybe debian stretch with the lxde desktop (or similiar)
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• 1783[16:27:59] <tri0de> it is a long history, 15 years without problems, sure my hardware dosen't have this resources
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• 1787[16:29:16] <hkla> lubuntu is very slim, i had an ok surfing experience on a 7 year old machine with 1 GB of RAM
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• 1789[16:29:30] <hkla> it should be possible to configure debian stretch in a similiar way
• 1790[16:29:59] <hkla> 15 years may be a bit too far back though
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• 1794[16:31:33] <flizzy> I do have another question though: What would be the easiest way to get full system encryption on Debian? Does it have the option for it during the setup process?
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• 1796[16:32:52] <dontknow> flizzy, yes
• 1797[16:32:56] <hkla> it offers luks, which is pretty close
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• 1799[16:33:09] <dontknow> it is very easy
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• 1801[16:33:12] <flizzy> during regular installation?
• 1802[16:33:13] <dontknow> no brainer
• 1803[16:33:25] <dontknow> yes
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• 1805[16:33:41] <hkla> yes, you just need to tell it to create an encrypted partition
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• 1808[16:33:57] <hkla> i think there is a normal option for this
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• 1811[16:34:30] <hkla> but do not forget your passphrase, you will be lost then
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• 1819[16:35:54] <flizzy> How could I ever forget my passphrase
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• 1824[16:36:58] <hkla> if it is long and random it is not too hard
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• 1826[16:38:05] <dvs> hkla, 123456 isn't hard. ;-)
• 1827[16:38:22] <tri0de> the big bad problem is firefox... I only need to say it, thanks hkla and johnkeates
• 1828[16:38:31] <flizzy> What I use is a quote, or piece of a quote, mixed with capital letters and some numbers instead of letters. Has worked well for me so far.
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• 1830[16:39:23] <hkla> tri0de i could boost firefox performance by disabling everything that has to do with remembering urls of visited pages
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• 1834[16:41:42] <hkla> also, firefox 56.0 seemed to be a bit faster, but that was just my impression
• 1835[16:41:57] <apollo13> wait for firefox 57 :)
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• 1839[16:42:34] <hkla> are they working on making it faster? i did not really check.
• 1840[16:43:05] <hkla> i hated the screenshot tool though
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• 1844[16:43:34] <apollo13> love the screenshot tool and firefox 57 is way faster -- could say on par with chrome again
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• 1847[16:44:31] <hkla> cool
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• 1850[16:46:54] <hkla> the screenshot tool would be ok if it wasn't preinstalled and mozilla didn't have a history of bad data protection & potentially selling user data
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• 1854[16:47:56] <apollo13> oO
• 1855[16:48:01] <tri0de> I'm thinking in break the piggybank
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• 1857[16:49:43] <hkla> apollo13: There were(?) some shady practices connected to the Mozilla Web Of Trust plugin
• 1858[16:50:10] <apollo13> hkla: got some links?
• 1859[16:50:19] <apollo13> never heard of mozilla web of trust plugin
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• 1868[16:54:36] <hkla> replaced-url
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• 1870[16:55:03] <hkla> maybe it was not connected directly to mozilla though, sorry if i was wrong
• 1871[16:55:17] <DJDan> in vbox osx how do i resize my debian image harddrive?
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• 1876[16:56:05] <DJDan> its a vdmx file
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• 1891[17:07:15] <apollo13> hkla: yeah I don't think that has anything to do with mozilla
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• 1921[17:22:46] <beepboopbeep> test
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• 1923[17:25:09] <beepboopbeep> hi i need some help i'm new to linux, trying to install wine but i don't have sudo and when i try install sudo it wants my iso files in media/cdrom but i cant access it at all and it requires installation of nautilus which require the items in that folder
• 1924[17:25:15] <beepboopbeep> i'm stuck in a loop
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• 1929[17:26:06] <towo`> the cdrom is not needed, if your sources.list contains valid repos
• 1930[17:26:21] <towo`> sudo is not needed at all, if you have a propper root account
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• 1932[17:26:46] <beepboopbeep> synaptic tells me it needs the files there
• 1933[17:26:50] <towo`> and for wine, you need to enable multiarch
• 1934[17:26:53] <beepboopbeep> it wont install anything otherwise
• 1935[17:27:12] <towo`> comment the cdrom lines in your surces.list
• 1936[17:27:19] <towo`> *sources.list
• 1937[17:27:34] <beepboopbeep> every guide i looked up on has sudo in the commands
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• 1940[17:28:05] <towo`> then you look in the wrong guide
• 1941[17:28:17] <towo`> become root with su in terminal
• 1942[17:28:47] <towo`> then you can use all commands without sudo in front#
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• 1944[17:29:11] <beepboopbeep> how can i fix nautilus?
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• 1960[17:39:25] <beepboopbeep> is there active linux help chan?
• 1961[17:39:47] <Epakai> no, this is linux free weekend
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• 1963[17:40:08] <jelly> beepboopbeep: if you know root password you can open a root shell using "su -" and run stuff there without the sudo prefix
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• 1965[17:40:38] <mr__tea> you could try sudo su -
• 1966[17:40:39] <mr__tea> hehe
• 1967[17:40:42] <jelly> no
• 1968[17:40:46] <beepboopbeep> i have password i just don't know how to do anything
• 1969[17:41:07] <beepboopbeep> it took me like 6 hours to get wifi alone
• 1970[17:41:17] <jelly> so you have lots of things to learn, then
• 1971[17:42:01] <mr__tea> learn learn learn
• 1972[17:43:09] <beepboopbeep> can you recommend tutorials?
• 1973[17:43:31] <beepboopbeep> also how do i install wine then?
• 1974[17:43:58] <mr__tea> apt-get install beer
• 1975[17:44:02] <mr__tea> euh woops
• 1976[17:44:27] <jelly> mr__tea: keep quiet in here, unless you have actual help to offer
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• 1978[17:45:10] <jelly> there's #debian-offtopic or ##chat for chat
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• 1980[17:45:18] <mr__tea> it was just a little fun dude
• 1981[17:45:25] <mr__tea> apt-get install wine
• 1982[17:45:30] <beepboopbeep> Package wine64 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
• 1983[17:45:46] <beepboopbeep> E: Unable to locate package wine
• 1984[17:46:02] <jelly> beepboopbeep: which debian release?
• 1985[17:46:33] <beepboopbeep> latest i guess
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• 1987[17:46:43] <beepboopbeep> downloaded the iso yesterday
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• 1990[17:46:52] <jelly> beepboopbeep: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say
• 1991[17:47:14] <beepboopbeep> 9.1
• 1992[17:47:23] <jelly> right, so debian 9, stretch
• 1993[17:47:34] <muse> beepboopbeep, open a terminal, type su -, enter the root pw, type nano /etc/apt/sources.list, put a # in front of the cd line at the top, save it, type apt update, then exit. then synaptic should work
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• 1995[17:47:57] <jelly> beepboopbeep: make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list has a full list of repos for stretch. Comment out any cdrom lines
• 1996[17:48:01] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 1997[17:48:02] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1999[17:49:28] <beepboopbeep> there is no cd line in there
• 2000[17:49:35] <mr__tea> take a copy from the sources.list before editing
• 2001[17:49:36] <mr__tea> heh
• 2002[17:50:35] <jelly> beepboopbeep: okay then, pastebin the output of: grep -v ^# /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 2003[17:50:36] <jelly> !paste
• 2004[17:50:37] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 2007[17:52:41] <beepboopbeep> replaced-url
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• 2010[17:54:33] <bs0d> Is it possible to recover a deleted directory in ext4 in Debian?
• 2011[17:56:02] <jelly> beepboopbeep: see that line starting with "deb cdrom:" in /etc/apt/sources.list? As root, edit that file using nano, put a # character in front of it (commenting it out) and add actual repos for stretch
• 2012[17:56:49] <jelly> those that dpkg bot has written above ^^
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• 2021[18:02:44] <beepboopbeep> how do i save it again?
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• 2024[18:03:33] <tri0de> bs0d: how is it deleted, with rm -rf? :) with rmdir :) ?
• 2025[18:03:53] <tri0de> in genome...
• 2026[18:04:00] <tri0de> ^gnome
• 2027[18:04:46] <bs0d> tdi0de using rm -rf in the command line
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• 2033[18:05:42] <beepboopbeep> @jelly how can i save the changes?
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• 2046[18:13:01] <coruja> beepboopbeep, ctrl+o to save, ctrl+x to exit (mind the buttons at nano's bottom)
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• 2056[18:17:24] <newcoder> Hi, how can I know the name of debian 9.1 dvd?
• 2057[18:17:36] <newcoder> I want to add dvdrom as mirror in sources.list
• 2058[18:17:38] <beepboopbeep> it does not save
• 2059[18:17:59] <tri0de> I think allways the rm command in a irreversible way, interesting question, replaced-url
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• 2062[18:18:53] <tri0de> unmount the partition, clone, and inspect it with especialized forensics soft, this is
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• 2064[18:20:25] <beepboopbeep> nvm
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• 2072[18:22:52] <beepboopbeep> thank you guys installing wine now
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• 2075[18:23:47] <beepboopbeep> well i think its installing..
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• 2083[18:28:46] <sear> which internet browser should i use?
• 2084[18:29:22] <b0xii> icecat
• 2085[18:31:24] <sear> i have a browser called "iceweasel->firefox esr"
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• 2090[18:32:58] <jelly> sear: that one is fine
• 2091[18:33:12] <jelly> gets security updates
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• 2095[18:33:50] <sear> can i still get icecat from repositories?
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• 2099[18:38:04] <beepboopbeep> what else do i need to install in order to get wine runing?
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• 2111[18:44:24] <Mathisen> beepboopbeep, well what are you gonna run with wine ?
• 2112[18:45:03] <beepboopbeep> 90's tbs \ rts games
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• 2114[18:45:32] <Mathisen> winetricks can come in handy then
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• 2123[18:52:51] <beepboopbeep> Mathisen: replaced-url
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• 2131[18:55:32] <Mathisen> beepboopbeep, winetricks should be in debian repo
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• 2135[18:55:51] <Mathisen> beepboopbeep, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 2138[18:57:59] <tri0de> I allways have something for run stronhold crusader :) emperor, commandos, submarine t, rtcw, max paine, far cry, portal... but for me wine isn't the form.. :(
• 2139[18:58:26] <tri0de> blood2 the chosen
• 2140[18:58:29] <tri0de> :)
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• 2145[19:00:40] <beepboopbeep> replaced-url
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• 2148[19:01:34] <Mathisen> after main add contrib
• 2149[19:01:51] <Mathisen> example > deb replaced-url
• 2150[19:02:28] <Mathisen> after that " sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade "
• 2151[19:02:40] <Mathisen> then try apt install winetricks again
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• 2164[19:10:31] <beepboopbeep> same error
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• 2168[19:11:51] <beepboopbeep> bbl
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• 2172[19:12:57] <Mathisen> this is mine replaced-url
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• 2197[19:27:00] <ransur0t> I have encounted an update error with latest point release -- evolution-common wont' install. Paste here: replaced-url
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• 2200[19:28:06] <ransur0t> I have since removed the kernel image update (and linux-firmare-amd64) using apt fix ... but haven't found a way to work around the evolution package error ...
• 2201[19:28:46] <shtrb> Is there a PowerChute client for debian ? (APC network shutdown)
• 2202[19:28:52] <ransur0t> Any tips on how to fix?
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• 2206[19:31:19] <ransur0t> Or perhaps an idea as to why the "operation not permitted" error exists in the first place?
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• 2208[19:32:14] <shtrb> it's an errno string on a syscall
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• 2218[19:34:52] <ransur0t> K, so why the dpkg error processing archive? All other updates installed fine ... and I've never had this issue with an apt dist-upgrade usage before.
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• 2275[19:56:40] <jelly> ransur0t: those errors are unusual. Which filesystem type do you have for filesystems where /usr/share/locale/en_AU/LC_MESSAGES/evolution-3.22.mo.dpkg-new and /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/scsi/qla4xxx/qla4xxx.ko.dpkg-new were to be created?
• 2276[19:56:51] <nindustries> Hi, I would like to get /var/lib/docker and /home on an encrypted (separate) disk, ideas?
• 2277[19:56:57] <jelly> ransur0t: anything in dmesg?
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• 2295[20:03:50] <ShayLs> hey
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• 2298[20:05:37] <hellyeah> yo
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• 2318[20:11:57] <ransur0t> jelly: I'm using LUKS encrypted LVM ext4. I haven't looked at dmesg.
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• 2322[20:16:14] <ransur0t> just syslog and bash output
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• 2324[20:16:41] <nindustries> Also, I created an encrypted folder with mount -t ecryptfs /opt/cryptdaat /var/lib/docker , but how do I remount it?
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• 2327[20:17:12] <gunix> nindustries: that coummand mounts the folder
• 2328[20:17:25] <nindustries> gunix: well it goes through the setup all over again
• 2329[20:17:51] <gunix> nindustries: sudo mount -o remount,rw /partition/identifier /mount/point
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• 2331[20:18:00] <gunix> nindustries: why do you want to encrypt the docker fileS? :D
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• 2347[20:22:26] <nindustries> gunix: what is the partition identifier?
• 2348[20:22:35] <nindustries> and, I want to encrypt volumes and all
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• 2350[20:23:12] <gunix> nindustries: you want or do not want ?
• 2351[20:23:20] <nindustries> i do
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• 2353[20:23:42] <gunix> nindustries: partition identifier is like /dev/sda or in your case /opt/cryptdaat
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• 2359[20:26:53] <nindustries> hmm, 'not mounted or bad option'
• 2360[20:27:34] <gunix> nindustries: can you bpaste the output from lsblk, df -h, lvs, vgs, pvs, and cat /proc/mounts ?
• 2361[20:27:40] <gunix> that would help a lot
• 2362[20:27:53] <gunix> replaced-url
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• 2365[20:28:52] <nindustries> will do!
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• 2367[20:30:06] <nindustries> gunix: replaced-url
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• 2369[20:31:32] <gunix> nindustries: you can't use the remount option on something that is not mounted.
• 2370[20:31:38] <nindustries> ehh
• 2371[20:31:49] <gunix> what are you trying to achieve?
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• 2373[20:31:56] <gunix> how did you create the encrypted folder?
• 2374[20:32:12] <nindustries> mount -t ecryptfs $(pwd)/encrypted/ /var/lib/docker/
• 2375[20:32:26] <nindustries> well, I want to manually mount the encrypted dir
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• 2381[20:34:18] <gunix> that does not create an encrypted folder, that tries to mount $(pwd)/encrypted on top of /var/lib/docker
• 2382[20:34:25] <nindustries> ohhh
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• 2387[20:35:34] <gunix> nindustries: i think what you are looking for is this: replaced-url
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• 2395[20:38:49] <nindustries> brb
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• 2397[20:39:22] <nindustries> weird, no ecryptfs-simple
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• 2417[20:48:53] <samkod> I ended up having to do a reinstall of debian on my system this weekend. Upon boot I'm seeing a bunch of different messages I never saw before..something doesent seem right, paticularly with the nic, the i915, and the hdaudio messages. I'm wondering if I'm missing firmware or something? replaced-url
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• 2427[20:52:25] <ctcx> Someone here has tried Adrive cloud service?
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• 2430[20:54:55] <n4dir> ages ago i stored stuff on adrive
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• 2436[20:56:54] <tri0de> samkod: but what is the problem, can you use the network? ip a ; and what about lsmod ; it sound?
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• 2439[20:57:54] <nic109000> hello people! looking for someone who knows plenty of xrandr, I can't get something very simple to work, maybe it's related to an old kernel or something
• 2440[20:57:56] <samkod> no problems but it seems like it now takes a few extra seconds to boot. yes I can use the network. ipv6 is also disabled.
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• 2444[20:58:46] <tri0de> what is the old and the new kernel?
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• 2446[20:59:08] <Dagger> ...v6 should not be disabled these days
• 2447[20:59:17] <nic109000> i'll try to find the post I found with google and i'll tell you
• 2448[20:59:23] <Dagger> if it's causing you problems, it's time to fix the problem, not just run away from it
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• 2476[21:09:52] <petemc> ~.
• 2477[21:09:53] <apt> methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for.
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• 2487[21:12:24] <daemoneye> lol apt.
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• 2490[21:13:15] <beepboopbeep> Mathisen: here?
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• 2498[21:16:45] <McErroneous> replaced-url
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• 2501[21:17:45] <McErroneous> .jpg.html
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• 2508[21:21:08] <ctcx> I made a test text file with some random text and called it testB, made it with vim. Uploaded it to adrive and tried to preview it in new tab there.
• 2509[21:21:34] <ctcx> Result, I was given the window "do you wish to open or download this BIN file?"
• 2510[21:21:48] <ctcx> I realized I should have named it testB.txt...
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• 2512[21:22:15] <ctcx> But, does it represent a threat or harm to my file or entire Debian OS as such?
• 2513[21:22:21] <ctcx> I used firefox browser...
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• 2518[21:23:49] <nindustries> gunix: back!
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• 2521[21:24:56] <McErroneous> 21:17 < McErroneous> replaced-url
• 2522[21:24:56] <McErroneous> 21:18 < McErroneous> .jpg.html
• 2523[21:24:56] <McErroneous> 21:22 < ctcx> I made a test text file with some random text and called it testB, made it with vim. Uploaded it to adrive and tried to preview it in new tab there.
• 2524[21:24:59] <McErroneous> 21:22 < ctcx> Result, I was given the window "do you wish to open or download this BIN file?"
• 2525[21:25:03] <McErroneous> 21:22 < ctcx> I realized I should have named it testB.txt...
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• 2527[21:25:20] <ransur0t> jelly: nothing in dmesg using grep pipe, keywords associated with the update failure ...
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• 2529[21:25:51] <McErroneous> replaced-url
• 2530[21:25:59] <ransur0t> jelly: do you think that Sophos Antivirus could be impacting my system in this strange way>
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• 2537[21:26:51] <ctcx> jelly: hello? Who's that Erroneous bot guy?
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• 2543[21:29:50] <beepboopbeep> hello i'm trying install wine and i don't know how to can someone give a hand?
• 2544[21:30:18] <dsc_> beepboopbeep: sudo apt-get install wine
• 2545[21:30:30] <McErroneous> replaced-url
• 2546[21:30:43] <dsc_> McErroneous: :D
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• 2549[21:31:37] <beepboopbeep> already done dsc_ that, still no idea whats going on
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• 2551[21:32:14] <ctcx> hello?
• 2552[21:33:17] <aedinius> hi
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• 2554[21:34:04] <ctcx> jelly: regarding the adrive file issue... someone?
• 2555[21:34:25] <beepboopbeep> i'm clicking run wine icon and nothing happenes
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• 2564[21:41:10] <gunix> nindustries: did you get it working?
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• 2566[21:41:18] <nindustries> not reall
• 2567[21:41:23] <nindustries> im looking at gocryptfs now
• 2568[21:41:31] <dsc_> beepboopbeep: try typing 'wine' from the terminal
• 2569[21:41:41] <dsc_> beepboopbeep: instead of clicking the icon
• 2570[21:41:45] <dsc_> you might get more 'feedback'
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• 2572[21:45:00] <gunix> nindustries: if you want to encrypt everything, just use lvm ... if you install debian there is an option at the start to encrypt everything. it's really easy
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• 2574[21:45:43] <nindustries> Yeah, that's what I normally use. But that isn't possible in my situation right now.. I only have access post-install.
• 2575[21:45:51] <nindustries> And I couldn't get debootstrap to work
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• 2578[21:46:35] <dsc_> gunix: how hard is it to encrypt a disk once you've already installed debian?
• 2579[21:46:50] <dsc_> (installed with everything on one partition)
• 2580[21:47:24] <gunix> dsc_: if it's the disk the system is running on, i think it's really hard. some would say not possible, but i saw some incredible things in the linux world
• 2581[21:47:47] <gunix> nindustries: are you trying to encrypt a folder on your work laptop? so that your boss doesn't find your data?
• 2582[21:47:49] <dsc_> gunix: o_0
• 2583[21:47:59] <nindustries> gunix: it's a virtual server
• 2584[21:48:12] <digdilem> probably easier to boot to a lovecd and encrypt the host partitions as you wish
• 2585[21:48:18] <digdilem> livecd*
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• 2587[21:48:35] <nindustries> yeah, not possible.. :/
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• 2591[21:49:35] <gunix> nindustries: yes and i am not sure why you want this. the hypervizor can use memory dumps to see what you are running
• 2592[21:50:09] <ctcx> I made a test text file with some random text and called it testB, made it with vim. Uploaded it to adrive and tried to preview it in new tab there.
• 2593[21:50:14] <ctcx> Result, I was given the window "do you wish to open or download this BIN file?"
• 2594[21:50:20] <ctcx> I realized I should have named it testB.txt...
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• 2601[21:54:49] <ctcx> ????
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• 2607[21:58:27] <ctcx> hello?
• 2608[21:58:43] <annadane> ctcx, have some patience
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• 2612[22:00:02] <Sveta> ctcx: the 'drive' web server is misconfigured I guess.
• 2613[22:02:04] <apollo13> I disagree, offering the download as application/octet-stream makes sense if they cannot determine the type
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• 2620[22:05:00] <ctcx> apollo13, Sveta: but, no harm to Debian OS as such or something? I entered web interface on Firefox...
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• 2623[22:05:41] <Sveta> ctcx: not your fault.
• 2624[22:05:42] <ctcx> Even though Debian can just open the extension-less file just with the text editor...
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• 2634[22:09:15] <ctcx> apollo13: ??
• 2635[22:09:19] <apollo13> !!
• 2636[22:09:19] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
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• 2639[22:10:12] <ctcx> I thought you still had a small answer, sorry
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• 2644[22:14:51] <gglasses> Hey guys/gals, to copy an iso image into a usb and make it bootable, is it `cp image.iso sdb` right?
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• 2647[22:15:56] <tremon> /dev/sdb
• 2648[22:16:16] <tremon> and only after you've triple-checked that /dev/sdb is indeed your usb stick and not some internal harddisk
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• 2651[22:17:16] <gglasses> got it tremon
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• 2656[22:20:05] <gglasses> one more question, documentation say that make sure the usb stick is unmounted but lsblk only shows it if it is mounted
• 2657[22:20:11] <gglasses> any ideas on this?
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• 2661[22:21:25] <tremon> grep sdb /proc/mounts
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• 2663[22:22:20] <tremon> that's still not a 100% complete answer, because block devices may be opened indirectly through devicemapper (luks, lvm, etc) but that's not usually the case with removable usb sticks
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• 2666[22:23:31] <gglasses> so i don't understand, should I have the usb stick mounted or not?
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• 2668[22:23:45] <tremon> you should not
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• 2671[22:24:22] <tremon> you're going to write to the raw device, and that means the kernel should not get in the way
• 2672[22:24:52] <tremon> if you have (parts of) the usb stick mounted, the kernel assumes it has complete control over the disk
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• 2674[22:25:52] <tremon> if you write to the disk while the kernel thinks it "owns" it (i.e. it is mounted), one of two things may happen: a) you get filesystem corruption on-disk, or b) the kernel crashes
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• 2677[22:26:18] <gglasses> mm that's pretty interesting
• 2678[22:26:27] <gglasses> i have tried to install Debian several times in the past
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• 2682[22:26:46] <gglasses> and it always give some kind of error on the installation, the thing is that the device is always mounted
• 2683[22:27:08] <gglasses> but right now, i got a message from cp saying "cannot create regular file '/dev/sdb'; No Medium Found
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• 2686[22:28:17] <tremon> looks like /dev/sdb points to some removable disk drive (like dvd drive, or cardreader) instead of your usb stick
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• 2688[22:28:40] <tremon> have you checked dmesg for the device name?
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• 2690[22:29:15] <gglasses> yes tremon, "[sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk"
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• 2692[22:29:30] <tremon> ok... that's odd then
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• 2698[22:30:29] <gglasses> and the output of lsblk I get this sdb as a disk and sdb1 as a part
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• 2700[22:30:44] <gglasses> yes it's odd, that's what happens with every usd stick i've tried
• 2701[22:30:47] <gglasses> i'm on fedora btw
• 2702[22:31:05] <tremon> I'd hope that doesn't make a difference
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• 2705[22:31:25] <tremon> I always use dd myself, but I don't see a reason why cp shouldn't work as well
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• 2707[22:31:33] <gglasses> how to use dd?
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• 2710[22:31:52] <tremon> dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
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• 2712[22:32:38] <tremon> (the bs=1M only sets a larger blocksize to speed up the transfer, should work fine without it)
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• 2716[22:33:40] <gglasses> and i see
• 2717[22:33:52] <gglasses> will try that :D
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• 2719[22:35:06] <gglasses> dd: failed to open '/dev/sdb': No medium found
• 2720[22:35:07] <gglasses> FML
• 2721[22:36:05] <tremon> can you paste the output of blkid as well as blkid /dev/sdb*?
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• 2728[22:38:35] <gglasses> yes 1 sec
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• 2731[22:39:49] <gglasses> actually, both commands output nothing
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• 2733[22:40:06] <tremon> did you run them as root?
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• 2736[22:41:21] <tremon> (thinking of it, did you run cp or dd as root? -- I would expect a completely different error message if you didn't, but it wouldn't be the first time that redhat has mangled error messages to "improve user-friendliness")
• 2737[22:41:49] <gglasses> I ran cp and dd as a root :)
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• 2739[22:42:11] <gglasses> here's the output of blkid /dev/sdb*
• 2740[22:42:36] <gglasses> \/dev/sdb: PTUUID="07c658e8" PTTYPE="dos"
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• 2743[22:42:43] <annadane> if you're on fedora why are you asking for help in #debian...?
• 2744[22:42:48] <gglasses> \/dev/sdb1: UUID="7BCC-9829" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="07c658e8-01"
• 2745[22:42:52] <tremon> try paste.debian.org
• 2746[22:42:59] <gglasses> Because it's debian that I want to install
• 2747[22:43:08] <tremon> argh paste.debian.net
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• 2751[22:43:27] <annadane> right but if you're using cp in fedora it's still a fedora command
• 2752[22:43:52] <annadane> i mean, whatever, i won't argue it
• 2753[22:44:32] <gglasses> you may have a point there annadane
• 2754[22:44:35] <gglasses> tremon replaced-url
• 2755[22:44:36] <tremon> that's true, this may be a common issue with fedora. in that case, we won't have the answer but #fedora might
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• 2757[22:45:06] <tremon> that last output is weird...
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• 2760[22:46:47] <gglasses> I bet :(
• 2761[22:46:49] <tremon> it should show all your blockdevices, but either you have none or blkid does something completely different in fedora
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• 2763[22:47:05] <gglasses> I asked the question in #fedora
• 2764[22:47:25] <gglasses> will see if there's something different but i doubt it
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• 2766[22:47:52] <tremon> I mean.. compare your blkid output with mine: replaced-url
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• 2768[22:48:16] <random_numbers> What rotates logs in /var/log/apt/ ? I've been meaning to change the lifetime to "forever".
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• 2771[22:49:02] <tremon> random_numbers: /etc/logrotate.d/apt
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• 2773[22:49:30] <Vasistha> just upgraded jessie -> stretch, and having trouble with audio playback. When I first tested it seemed to work fine, but now no sound at all
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• 2778[22:50:28] <gglasses> tremon, someone on #fedora "that sounds like it was ejected, not unmounted", hehe
• 2779[22:50:36] <random_numbers> tremon: Thanks
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• 2781[22:51:08] <tremon> gglasses: that's exacly what I thought. That's why I asked if it was a dvd drive
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• 2786[22:51:46] <tremon> it also doesn't make sense that /dev/sdb would be ejected, but the kernel still knows that /dev/sdb1 exists
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• 2789[22:52:42] <tremon> gglasses: what does id -Z show?
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• 2793[22:53:32] <gglasses> permission denied
• 2794[22:53:37] <gglasses> that's the output
• 2795[22:53:39] <tremon> wut...
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• 2797[22:53:51] <gglasses> hahaha i feel like a super newbie around here
• 2798[22:54:17] <gglasses> i miss the time where laptops came with a dvd reader *sobs
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• 2801[22:55:00] <random_numbers> tremon: Right, so, 0 means old files are removed... what's the behavior if it's a negative number or the line isn't there?
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• 2803[22:55:14] <Vasistha> gglasses: I miss the time when my laptop's dvd reader worked
• 2804[22:55:47] <at0m> can't remember when i last used it
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• 2808[22:56:29] <tremon> random_numbers: replaced-url
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• 2811[22:57:00] <random_numbers> tremon: Ah yeah, that should lost long enough for the hardware to breakdown before that's reached.
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• 2815[22:57:11] <random_numbers> s/lost//
• 2816[22:57:12] <tremon> gglasses: this is normally really bad advice, but can you do setenforce 0 and try again?
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• 2819[22:57:56] <aLLamox> Hi, I would like to disable a specific user from all the commands.. and give him access to only one linux command which is ls for example, Can I do this in debian? ... restericted shell is not an option.
• 2820[22:57:57] <tremon> if a simple id -Z gives permission errors, there is something really wrong with the system and I don't care to debug it
• 2821[22:58:08] <aLLamox> please hilight my name for comments.
• 2822[22:58:11] <gglasses> but right now it looks like cp is working :D
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• 2824[22:58:21] <gglasses> i unmounted the usb (not rejected it)
• 2825[22:58:25] <gglasses> and it's cp-ing
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• 2828[22:58:42] <tremon> aLLamox: why is restricted shell not an option?
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• 2833[23:00:51] <aLLamox> tremon: replaced-url
• 2834[23:01:06] <aLLamox> tremon: I'm thinking to change his path variable...
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• 2837[23:01:42] <aLLamox> PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games to another path and put the commands I want there, but how can I make it premeneant ..
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• 2839[23:02:29] <tremon> setting PATH does not restrict a user in any meaningful way
• 2840[23:02:35] <apollo13> is the user logging in via ssh?
• 2841[23:03:07] <tremon> I don't care much for that article btw
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• 2843[23:03:23] <tremon> it assumes a broken configuration, and then explains why it is broken
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• 2846[23:04:23] <aLLamox> tremon: For example if I used restriected shell
• 2847[23:04:35] <aLLamox> Then he can write tmux for example or screen and run the command in
• 2848[23:04:50] <aLLamox> He can run vim... and write !command and then it will work..
• 2849[23:04:55] <tremon> only if the restricted shell has access to those commands
• 2850[23:05:08] <tremon> you just said that you only wanted the user to access ls...
• 2851[23:05:14] <aLLamox> yes
• 2852[23:05:23] <tremon> can you give me an example of command execution via ls?
• 2853[23:05:25] <aLLamox> do you have any paper or guide I can read?
• 2854[23:06:09] <aLLamox> tremon: I don't understand what do you mean.
• 2855[23:06:23] <tremon> not directly... his fundamental premise is correct, but his argument is not against rbash but about configuring it properly
• 2856[23:07:15] <tremon> there's tons of *nix programs that have fork() capability of some kind. any of those should not be allowed in rbash
• 2857[23:07:44] <apollo13> couldn't one limit the syscall via app-armor or similar?
• 2858[23:08:08] <apollo13> ie even in the case that the wrong commands get executed, you'd still couldn't use that
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• 2862[23:09:30] <tremon> you can, the question is how to make that easy to configure. my systems rely on sudo's NOEXEC option for example, but even that requires a shitload of exceptions
• 2863[23:09:51] <tremon> aLLamox: what's your threat model that you're defending against?
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• 2865[23:12:32] <aLLamox> tremon: I don't defend anything... I just would like to change the user PATH to for whatever/xxx/xx and inisde this directory I will add only one command which is ls. So the user will not be able to run any commands but ls
• 2866[23:12:48] <apollo13> that is just wrong
• 2867[23:12:52] <aLLamox> The problem I'm facing , I can't change it premenentaly
• 2868[23:12:57] <apollo13> the user can just type /bin/some_other_command
• 2869[23:13:01] <aLLamox> apollo13: Can you tips me
• 2870[23:13:12] <aLLamox> correct :(
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• 2872[23:13:28] <tremon> aLLamox: which user?
• 2873[23:13:30] <aLLamox> so is there is a way to disallow him from bin
• 2874[23:13:47] <aLLamox> A specific user who reach my vps via ssh connection
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• 2876[23:14:04] <ryouma> chroot
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• 2879[23:15:12] <aLLamox> ryouma: Should I google it .. or do you have a nice article you tips.
• 2880[23:15:13] <tremon> why is the user accessing your VPS if you don't want him doing anything there?
• 2881[23:15:17] <aLLamox> I'm reading about it in google now
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• 2883[23:15:36] <aLLamox> :) It's a game.. he will use the vps as proxy... to access a specific file
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• 2886[23:16:03] <aLLamox> tremon: replaced-url
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• 2888[23:16:15] <tremon> and the user may only check that the file is there, not read its contents?
• 2889[23:16:38] <aLLamox> I need the user only to login into the server and use the curl command
• 2890[23:16:41] <aLLamox> Nothing else
• 2891[23:16:58] <rigel> quick question, when using curly braces on the command line, like with rsync, i can nest them, right?
• 2892[23:16:58] * apollo13 would emulate that
• 2893[23:17:26] <aLLamox> He doesn't need to read or write or do anything... He will just curl replaced-url
• 2894[23:17:26] <apollo13> specify a custom "shell" via command in ssh authorized keys and then just do everything in there
• 2895[23:18:05] <tremon> you can read replaced-url
• 2896[23:18:07] <aLLamox> apollo13: can u tips with a paper about it.
• 2897[23:18:13] <aLLamox> I'm not very familiar with this
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• 2899[23:18:23] <aLLamox> Thank you tremon will read it now
• 2900[23:18:25] <tremon> specifically, the part about restricting commands
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• 2902[23:18:56] <aLLamox> so This is better than chroot?
• 2903[23:20:13] <ryouma> rigel: yes
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• 2905[23:20:36] <ryouma> rigel: test with echo
• 2906[23:20:38] <aLLamox> ziggo.nl :D lol
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• 2913[23:26:40] <NEOalquimista> what package should I file a bug for if I'm having problems while typing the decryption password at boot?
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• 2915[23:28:15] <tremon> against cryptsetup, I'd guess
• 2916[23:28:51] <tremon> if the problem is somewhere else (e.g. plymouth), the cryptsetup maintainer can always reassign the bug
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• 2920[23:30:53] <beepboopbeep> where do i find the .wine folder?
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• 2924[23:32:37] <aLLamox> tremon:
• 2925[23:32:38] <aLLamox> no-X11-forwarding
• 2926[23:32:40] <aLLamox> Forbids X11 forwarding when this key is used for authentication. Any X11 forward requests by the client will return an error.
• 2927[23:33:06] <aLLamox> Will I be able still to use it as proxy?
• 2928[23:33:11] <NEOalquimista> right, thanks
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• 2931[23:34:18] <tremon> aLLamox: you're not using ssh as a (network) proxy. you're using it to run a command
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• 2941[23:38:51] <aLLamox> No tremon I will use it as proxy as well
• 2942[23:38:55] <aLLamox> IF curl didnot work
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• 2944[23:39:13] <aLLamox> u can use it as network socks and just open the link from ur proxified pc
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• 2949[23:40:36] <tremon> ok, that is controlled by the port-forwarding option, not X11-forwarding
• 2950[23:40:36] <beepboopbeep> i cant find it in home/usr/.wine
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• 2953[23:41:11] <tremon> beepboopbeep: it is either $WINEPREFIX or ~/.wine
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• 2956[23:42:21] <beepboopbeep> it doesn't exist
• 2957[23:42:32] <beepboopbeep> i other .folders in there
• 2958[23:42:39] <beepboopbeep> i have other
• 2959[23:42:41] <tremon> it will be created the first time you run winecfg or wine
• 2960[23:42:58] <beepboopbeep> i did run them both not there
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• 2966[23:43:57] <tremon> you can try asking in #winehq
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