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3 [00:01:28] <vetru> jhutchins: ls * does not show it
4 [00:02:03] <vetru> Well. It might be something different now.
I was succesful it getting the file on a local folder. I was putting
into a vbox shared folder and it was failing
5 [00:02:23] <vetru> In fact it is still failing in that shared
folder and not anywhere else.
6 [00:02:25] <vetru> Pretty confusing
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26 [00:29:04] <vetru> ha nvm again. im dumb.
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54 [01:02:41] <ThiefMaster> why do packages like nginx not
install the vim syntax files provided by upstream, and why if there
not even a separate package containing those files?
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61 [01:08:51] <dmzpub> ThiefMaster: sometimes, those files go to
/usr/hare/doc/pkgname/examples/
62 [01:09:17] <ThiefMaster> dmzpub: that's quiet stupid to
be honest. it requires manual action beyong just installing the
package to actually use them..
63 [01:09:59] <ThiefMaster> also, i checked and nginx
didn't put anything useful there
64 [01:10:06] <ThiefMaster> s/beyong/beyond
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66 [01:11:01] <dmzpub>
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67 [01:11:06] <ksk> ,file nginx.vim
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69 [01:11:11] <judd> Search for nginx.vim in buster/amd64:
nginx-common: usr/share/vim/addons/ftdetect/nginx.vim,
usr/share/vim/addons/ftplugin/nginx.vim,
usr/share/vim/addons/indent/nginx.vim,
usr/share/vim/addons/syntax/nginx.vim
70 [01:11:12] <ksk> eh, what was the syntax?
71 [01:11:18] <ksk> ah, it was correct
72 [01:11:19] <ksk> ThiefMaster: ^
73 [01:11:49] <ksk> maybe try a different wording next time,
seems you were wrong.
74 [01:11:59] <ThiefMaster> :facepalm: i just realized i was in
an ubuntu container, not a debian container
75 [01:12:03] <ThiefMaster> so maybe their package is inferior
;x
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78 [01:13:30] <JackFrost> Ubuntu has the same files.
79 [01:14:32] <ThiefMaster> hrm, gonna check my vim config then
since it doesn't seem to load it. maybe something i messed up
with my dotfiles. sorry for being snarky about the initial
(non-)issue
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82 [01:16:44] <ThiefMaster> looks like vim has
/var/lib/vim/addons in &runtimepath but not
/usr/share/vim/addons
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85 [01:20:00] <ThiefMaster> ah, vim-addon-manager
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281 [04:01:12] <GigaFlow> sshd service an't bind address
because it gets address from the router to late
282 [04:01:15] <GigaFlow> how to fix that?
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294 [04:16:31] <pedro_> hello
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296 [04:19:29] <pedro_> hello
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298 [04:19:58] <pedro_> my first experience with irss
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301 [04:32:23] <ZeroBeholder> Hello.
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305 [04:34:02] <ZeroBeholder> pedro__: I feel like your question
about irss will be beyond me, but shoot. Worst case scenario, other
eyes see your dilemma and your chances go up...
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311 [04:38:33] <martigan> Hello everyone! Is the spice-vdagent
package necessary to set up a shared file between a Debian 10 guest
and Debian 10 host running qemu/kvm??
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313 [04:41:16] <martigan> Or is it the recommended way I should
have said, I'm trying to set up a shared file between the guest
and host and have set the shared file system settings in Virt
Manager pointed to the correct file, with the Driver set to Default
and the mode set to Mapped and the shared directory is not being
mounted by the vm.
314 [04:44:47] <martigan> The only experience I have setting
these up was with a Whonix guest which worked fine and the only
difference I can see is that the Whonix guest was running a
spice-vdagent service. Reading up on the package makes me think it
may be the solve to my problem?
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321 [04:50:59] <ZeroBeholder> martigan: Sorry man, out of my
depth. Just saying something because I get down when I'm not
sure people even saw my question on account of zero people replying
at all. May your google searches be blessed and another smarter
person stumble on your question.
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324 [04:54:28] <martigan> ZeroBeholder: Thanks for your blessing.
lol I didn't see your question so I don't have an answer
for you either. My your searches be equally blessed.
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336 [05:12:19] <ZeroBeholder> martigan: I don't have a
question today, just lurking in case I can help with stuff I do know
about. The community only works with give and take. Today, I am
maybe giving.
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350 [05:40:21] <Astronomical_Hor> Hello, World!
351 [05:40:35] <lovetolearn> nvz, i know ur here somewhere :)
352 [05:40:41] <lovetolearn> Astronomical_Hor, hi
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354 [05:40:58] <Astro> Hello lovetolearn
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356 [05:41:51] <lovetolearn> how r u today
357 [05:41:51] <Astro> I have a few questions about the
old-stable of Debian.
358 [05:42:01] <Astro> Good! You?
359 [05:42:15] <lovetolearn> I'm tired
360 [05:42:18] <Astro> Code name Stretch.
361 [05:42:33] <lovetolearn> nvz is the point person for me
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363 [05:42:46] <lovetolearn> not sure if he is busy right now
though
364 [05:42:46] <Astro> sweet
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366 [05:43:21] <Astro> are you familiar with the Debian
Disto's?
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368 [05:43:54] <Astro> Or Linux in General?
369 [05:44:02] <lovetolearn> ask your question - someone will
likely see it as soon as they catch up on their backlogs :)
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371 [05:44:16] <Astro> Okay, Thank You!
372 [05:44:19] <lovetolearn> ask your questions*
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374 [05:45:25] <lovetolearn> I transitioned to Linux from Win10,
around October 2019
375 [05:45:29] <Astro> In my Debian Distro I ran the htop program
and i see three diff entries for user "rtkit". Is this
normal?
376 [05:46:06] <Astro> Nice, I've been with it for about
three and one half years. Lovin it! =)
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378 [05:46:37] <Astro> Or, should there be rootkits running on my
Linux System.
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380 [05:47:23] <Astro> lovetolearn, I am studying for Application
Engeiring. Even though i can't spell. lol
381 [05:47:53] <lovetolearn> Astro I hope you enjoy it!
382 [05:48:27] <lovetolearn> Linux can be used for that and much
more as we know by now :)
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384 [05:49:21] <Astro> lovetolearn, I Do! There is almost nothing
more gratifying than solving problems that others believe they could
not do. If they only knew that all it takes is a curious mind!
385 [05:50:51] <lovetolearn> I like what you've said there -
absolutely right.
386 [05:51:09] <Astro> @lovetolearn, How fluent are you in the
Linux World?
387 [05:51:37] <lovetolearn> I'm just learning basic
commands for the Terminal.
388 [05:51:41] <Astro> @lovetolearn, I see you said you came to
Linux in October,
389 [05:51:45] <Astro> Thx,
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391 [05:52:16] <lovetolearn> Yup, I had to make the switch.
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393 [05:52:42] <lovetolearn> Pls advice ppl to back up everything
before even trying the live version of Linux.
394 [05:52:42] <Astro> How Come?
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396 [05:52:50] <Astro> If I may ask
397 [05:53:46] <lovetolearn> Linux is more freedom-respecting,
secure, and allows you to look at the source code for free as in
freedom, distributions of Linux.
398 [05:54:42] <Astro> @lovetolearn, Respect, And Welcome To The
World Of Open Source! =)
399 [05:54:45] <lovetolearn> And you can modify, copy,
distribute, and research the code and related works that are under
the license made by Mr. Richard Stallman.
400 [05:55:44] <lovetolearn> Thanks! :)
401 [05:56:13] <Astro> Any How, I'm am on a quest for
knowledge and Have an Itch for Understanding. God Speed!
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403 [05:56:27] <lovetolearn> Amen.
404 [06:01:42] <blackmajic> Anyone familer with pDNS?
405 [06:01:50] <blackmajic> Unable to AXFR zone
'justla.me' from remote '199.199.199.199'
(resolver): AXFR chunk error: Server Not Authoritative for zone /
Not Authorized, ---- What would cause this error?
406 [06:02:15] <blackmajic> I followed this guide:
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411 [06:05:37] <mi11k1> how silly is this? im running Proxmox
with LVM as my storage. the storage is on an i5 with 12gig ram
running nas4free. i have it config as raidz1 with 4 3TB drives.
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413 [06:06:03] <mi11k1> i couldnt get zfs over iscsi to work
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429 [06:29:25] <mi11k1_> windows isnt so bad since ssd's are
in abundance now.
430 [06:29:47] <mi11k1_> shiny
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445 [06:49:11] <ZeroBeholder> Astro: So, good news. rtkit in htop
is not "root kit". It is realtime policy and watch daemon.
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447 [06:49:51] <ZeroBeholder> Astro: Why there are three, I
cannot help you.
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453 [06:53:21] <ZeroBeholder> mi11k1_: That is an interesting
problem. I usually set up the drives for ZFS on the host system as
such-- at that point they they are presented to the OS as a more or
less regular filesystem and then the regular goodies like NFS and
such work in the expected ways.
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463 [06:57:01] <mi11k1_> ZeroBeholder, its a Dell Poweredge
server and I have no drive caddies. So, I tried a couple different
things and I have the zfs volume exposed via iscsi
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465 [06:57:31] <mi11k1_> ZeroBeholder, thinpool
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467 [06:58:36] <mi11k1_> ZeroBeholder, it actually works pretty
well, but it just feels unethical or something.
468 [06:59:14] <mi11k1_> ill roll with it for a bit and see what
happens
469 [06:59:54] <ZeroBeholder> mi11k1_: Ugh, I remember losing
some caddies at work. Well, I had help. I put them in a box on the
shelf and then I never saw the box again. I hope you find some
caddies and if iscsi works, I'm not going to knock it.
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473 [07:00:51] <mi11k1_> ZeroBeholder, I have 30 blank
caddies,lol. This server doesnt have a sas controller either.
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479 [07:05:47] <mi11k1_> so far its been pretty forgiving, reboot
storage or server and they link up no prob. I like Proxmox, Debian
is the only linux distro ive ever used, so its pretty familiar. I
just install debian and add the proxmox sources. has better uptime
than my alarmclock
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489 [07:12:03] <mi11k1_> nebody know some good nmap commands?
490 [07:12:46] <mi11k1_> whats the mother of all nmaps?
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513 [07:36:37] <PerfecT37428> jpan is dog
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524 [08:03:19] <Casper26> I installed Debian 10 and created a
couple of samba shares but am unable to mount them from any file
manager smbclient sees the shares though anyone help?
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538 [08:27:05] <rog1070> bonjour, y a t-il des francophones ?
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545 [08:31:05] <diogenes_> !fr | rog1070
546 [08:31:16] <diogenes_> !fr
547 [08:31:16] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users:
for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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549 [08:31:46] <rog1070> ok merci ;)
550 [08:32:03] <rog1070> !fr
551 [08:32:03] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users:
for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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557 [08:34:40] <greenbagels> Hm, anyone have an idea why
/lib/modules still has files from old kernels even after `apt
purge`ing them?
558 [08:36:06] <greenbagels> it seems they're mostly empty,
maybe the uninstall process tried to rmdir a nonempty dir
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567 [08:48:36] <CrazyTux> what is the difference between sysvinit
and systemd? what advantage one has over the other?
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578 [09:07:00] <nyov> CrazyTux: that's not a question that
can be answered in a sentence. You should read up about both, or
listen to some talks by their proponents
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580 [09:07:59] <nyov> the main thing that sysvinit doesn't
do that other init systems do, is service supervision (if you
consider that part of what the init system should do)
581 [09:08:43] <nyov> but then systemd in particular does a ton
of other things on top
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583 [09:09:21] <CrazyTux> ok
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587 [09:10:40] <nyov> whether that's an advantage over other
systems depends on your taste, if you like the all-inclusiveness of
that approach, you'll like it. if you prefer to meddle in the
ways your init system works, you might not
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589 [09:12:52] <CrazyTux> ok
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595 [09:18:51] <eb0t> hey having a problem i want to install
setup-selenium-with-chromedriver-on-debian/ and the following
webpage says i need libcgconf-2-4 and it isnt in busters repo
596 [09:18:55] <eb0t>
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600 [09:20:43] <diogenes_> ,i libcgconf
601 [09:20:44] <judd> No package named 'libcgconf' was
found in buster/amd64.
602 [09:20:59] <diogenes_> ,v libcgconf
603 [09:21:00] <judd> No package named 'libcgconf' was
found in amd64.
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605 [09:22:34] <eb0t> yes its libgconf sorry
606 [09:23:42] <diogenes_> ,v libgconf
607 [09:23:43] <judd> No package named 'libgconf' was
found in amd64.
608 [09:24:16] <eb0t> thanks...i suppose its not possible to do
the selenium with chromedriver on debian 10
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615 [09:33:00] <eb0t> going back to debian 9
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620 [09:34:04] <eb0t> or gonna have a look at opensuse or
arch...need to get this done ..more than i need to breathe
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627 [09:37:37] <raspi> where i could find examples of releasing
binary app .deb that targets multiple archs? do you generate .deb
for each arch?
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662 [10:15:00] <nkuttler> raspi: yeah, that's how it is
usually done
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676 [10:29:45] <eb0t> libgconf This package is for legacy
applications and no longer used by GNOME...so how do i get legacy
code in buster
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685 [10:35:07] <nyov> eb0t: find a way to replace it? what do you
need it for?
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689 [10:37:13] <eb0t> nyov i am trying to do this
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691 [10:38:38] <eb0t> i believe python uses webdriver in selenium
to interact with webpages ...and webdriver uses chromedriver...and
one of them needs libgconf
692 [10:39:28] <nyov> why don't you install it then :p The
post pretty much tells you what to do?
693 [10:39:34] <nyov> ,v libgconf-2-4
694 [10:39:35] <judd> Package: libgconf-2-4 on amd64 -- jessie:
3.2.6-3; stretch: 3.2.6-4+b1; buster: 3.2.6-5; bullseye: 3.2.6-6;
sid: 3.2.6-6
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699 [10:42:20] <eb0t> its not in buster repo
700 [10:42:23] <eb0t> nyov
701 [10:42:32] <eb0t> ,v libgconf
702 [10:42:34] <judd> No package named 'libgconf' was
found in amd64.
703 [10:42:50] <eb0t> ,v libgconf-2-4
704 [10:42:50] <nyov> looks like there is a similar post here
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705 [10:42:51] <judd> Package: libgconf-2-4 on amd64 -- jessie:
3.2.6-3; stretch: 3.2.6-4+b1; buster: 3.2.6-5; bullseye: 3.2.6-6;
sid: 3.2.6-6
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708 [10:43:19] <nyov> the page clearly states "apt-get
install -y curl unzip xvfb libxi6 libgconf-2-4
709 [10:43:26] <nyov> not libgconf
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712 [10:43:40] <nyov> though I wouldn't run it with the
'-y' flag
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715 [10:45:58] <eb0t> hmm sorry im a bit new to debian and i have
an alias aptc = apt-cache and i ran aptc search libgconf-2-4 and
nothing was found
716 [10:46:03] <eb0t> sorry thanks nyov
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719 [10:46:22] <eb0t> my alias aptc = apt-cache search
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721 [10:46:43] <eb0t> so i was effectively doing apt-cache search
search libgconf
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724 [10:47:05] <eb0t> and it was not finding it ...my mistake
thanks ..i can get it working now
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766 [11:25:27] <ScreamerX> hi
767 [11:26:14] <ScreamerX> unattended upgrades installs security
updates like kernel updates
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769 [11:26:52] <ScreamerX> when i close the laptop lid, my system
hibernates
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772 [11:28:02] <ScreamerX> it is unlikely that an upgraded kernel
will resume properly from hibernate
773 [11:28:11] <ScreamerX> what does debian do in such a case?
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775 [11:29:29] <diogenes_> ScreamerX, what's the actual
issue?
776 [11:29:36] <nyov> eb0t: no problem, glad it works
777 [11:30:40] <ScreamerX> i'm just wondering if its save to
hibernate when the kernel was upgraded in background.
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780 [11:32:20] <diogenes_> ScreamerX, it's generaly
recommended to reboot after kernel update.
781 [11:32:30] <synacktic> /j #stratum0
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783 [11:32:35] <nyov> interesting question. possibly you should
exclude kernel-updates from unattended upgrades?
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788 [11:34:13] <oiaohm> ScreamerX: if you hybernate you remain on
the exact same kernel. Unattended updates does leave old version of
kernels prior installed alone.
789 [11:34:21] <oiaohm> Something you have to remember to clean
up.
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791 [11:35:35] <ScreamerX> oiaohm, thanks for the answer
792 [11:35:36] <rudi_s> oiaohm: That's not correct, it will
always boot the latest kernel.
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794 [11:36:05] <rudi_s> ScreamerX: Debian touches the file
/run/do-no-hibernate which prevents hibernation
795 [11:36:54] <rudi_s> But I guess that when you close the
laptop lid it only suspends (to RAM) which is not an issue.
Hibernation in the Linux/Debian context means writing the memory to
disk and powering of the system. On boot the old state is loaded and
the memory restored.
796 [11:37:24] <oiaohm> rudi_s: Please note I said if you
hybernate. If that flag has been set the system would have refused
to hybernate.
797 [11:38:06] <rudi_s> oiaohm: No, you said "you remain on
the exact same kernel" which is not true because on boot the
boot loader will choose the latest kernel.
798 [11:38:07] <ScreamerX> rudi_s, i changed the default
configuration. now, my system hibernates when i close the lid.
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800 [11:38:32] <rudi_s> ScreamerX: Ah, in that case. The file
will prevent a hibernation on kernel updates so you don't have
to worry.
801 [11:39:40] <oiaohm> rudi_s: hmm that could be a battery
eating bug.
802 [11:39:52] <rudi_s> oiaohm: What?
803 [11:40:28] <oiaohm> Reason why you would set close lid on
laptop to trigger hibernate would be to prevent battery usage when
closed.
804 [11:40:44] <oiaohm> and if flag prevents hybernate hmmm
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806 [11:41:26] <rudi_s> Yes, but hibernating with a newer kernel
will crash the system on reboot. I guess it could suspend instead,
but still not optimal.
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809 [11:44:24] <oiaohm> rudi_s: question does it crash or does it
detect that the hybernation is for the wrong kernel version. So you
could choose the correct one and get your data back.
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811 [11:45:53] <oiaohm> This is most likely a area that could be
made more friendly.
812 [11:46:01] <rudi_s> oiaohm: I assume it will just crash, but
I haven't tested that.
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814 [11:46:41] <oiaohm> I would hope the kernel would do some
checks to make sure that is the correct kernel to load the
hybernation image of.
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816 [11:46:50] <oiaohm> But I don't know.
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880 [12:53:52] <nyov> does anyone know how to run the debian
installer from an usb stick without bulldozing the stick filesystem?
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882 [12:54:17] <nyov> I recall there was a way to copy it on the
existing FAT filesystem and run it from that, somehow
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884 [12:54:54] <b1ack0p> hi
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887 [12:55:56] <diogenes_> nyov, install calamares.
888 [12:56:23] <diogenes_> if it's a live system.
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893 [12:59:20] <nyov> hm, no. I'd prefer the old way :p I
think it was this technique:
replaced-url
894 [13:00:00] <nyov> but that doesn't seem to work, as I
get kernel panic on boot. Hm, maybe I just need to try harder
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903 [13:11:37] <nyov> AH it works. I put the initrd line wrongly
in the syslinux.cfg
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995 [14:28:59] <Antioch> Are there any cli utils like vcp from
freebsd in debian? It's basically cp with a status bar.
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999 [14:32:51] <abrotman> rsync and dd cans how progress
1000 [14:32:56] <abrotman> or you can use pv perhaps
1001 [14:33:06] <abrotman> dpkg: pv
1002 [14:33:07] <dpkg> pv is the pipe viewer, a handy utility to
measure data passing through the pipe between processes. It shows
how much data has passed, how long it has taken and the speed, as
well as estimated completion if that data is available ("pv
file" or "-s" is used). Example: "dd if=/dev/sda
bs=1M | pv -s 250G | df of=/dev/sdb bs=1M"
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1017 [14:39:51] <Antioch> Merci
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1022 [14:42:10] <pradziad> Hello, can someone advise how to make
.xmodmaprc auto execute after login to xfce? I have in .xsessionrc
included command xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc but it doesn't work
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1031 [14:47:07] <nkuttler> pradziad: is anything else executed
from ~/.xsessionrc ? never heard of that file, man 5 Xsession also
doesn't say anything about it
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1038 [14:51:39] <nyov> they probably meant .xinitrc
1039 [14:52:01] <nyov> or .Xsession?
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1041 [14:53:01] <nkuttler> pradziad: please keep it in the channel
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1045 [14:54:15] <pradziad> Hello, nope. It's only that. I had
found this as description to auto execute xmodmap command for my
keyboard to use multimedia keys under this link:
replaced-url
1046 [14:54:17] <pradziad> however it never worked out, and each
time after start I'm doing it manually as typing xmodmap
~/.xmodmaprc
1047 [14:54:19] <pradziad> and I just wanted to somehow automate
it
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1051 [14:56:09] <spacebug^> I'm not running XFCE but
according to this
replaced-url
1052 [14:56:30] <nyov> pradziad: why don't you use the
accepted answer and put it in ~/.Xmodmap ?
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1066 [15:04:37] <pradziad> nyov: I do not have ~/.xsession neither
~.Xmodmap files. Sometimes I'm also use Gnome and wanted to
have it universal for both
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1074 [15:11:10] <jim> pradziad, do you have the command startx?
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1080 [15:13:35] <magic_ninja_resc> so, I'm on a boot disk.
1081 [15:14:02] <magic_ninja_resc> Doing some partition work. I
have a lvm volume group with about 6 gigs unallocated after it.
I'm looking to move it
1082 [15:14:25] <magic_ninja_resc> I'm basically putting a
bit of free space between some of my partitions. I managed to get
the space out of the vgs.
1083 [15:15:39] <magic_ninja_resc>
replaced-url
1084 [15:16:27] <pradziad> jim: yes
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1088 [15:18:00] <pradziad> nyov: I just created .Xmodmap in my
default ~/ and include there xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc I try to log out
and log it to check will it work, I just hope that I don't mess
up too much
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1103 [15:23:30] <jim> pradziad, depending on which dist you run,
startx might check to see if you have a ~/.xsession file, and if you
do, it will read that file, and execute it like a shell script... if
that script exits, your X session is over, and startx ends
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1112 [15:27:05] <magic_ninja_resc> figured it out. For some reason
KDE partition manager wasn't able to do it, but gparted was.
1113 [15:27:18] <magic_ninja_resc> I suppose I should learn to use
the CLI tools.
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1115 [15:28:53] <magic_ninja_resc> unfortunately this is going to
take an hour, though.
1116 [15:28:57] <pradziad> jim: I'm running the debian
bullseye and I'm sure that there's no ~/.xsession file.
However the nyov: advise worked out
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1119 [15:29:35] <jim> yeah, you'd have to create that file if
you were goign to... does startx do what you need?
1120 [15:30:05] <pradziad> nyov: Thank you for directions, it
worked up like a charm
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1125 [15:31:45] <pradziad> jim: no, I copied the keycode commands
from .xmodmaprc file directly to .Xmodmap and after logout/login it
worked out for me
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1128 [15:32:47] <pradziad> Once again, Thank you folks! Now my MS
Natural Multimedia keyboard is running as I wanted
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1132 [15:36:47] <magic_ninja_resc> Good job. Sometimes it can be a
bit of a pain.
1133 [15:36:55] <magic_ninja_resc> I have a couple tricky mouse
buttons I had to do that with.
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1135 [15:37:31] <magic_ninja_resc> damnit, it really is going to
take an hour to move this 900GB vgs
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1210 [16:31:47] <Elon_Satoshi> I'm trying to get xmrig's
OpenCL mode to work on Debian 10 on a presario cq57. lspci says VGA
compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] but clinfo says there's 0 platforms.
Unless I install fglrx-core, which fails to build the kernel module.
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1214 [16:33:15] <ta0gh1> Thank y'all for Debian GNU/Linux.
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1219 [16:36:08] <Elon_Satoshi> The same from me. Can someone help
me so I can start mining wownero with my toaster that has a video
card?
1220 [16:36:21] <dvs> ta0gh1, you're welcome. I made it
myself! ;-P
1221 [16:36:50] <Elon_Satoshi> Should I try this patch?
replaced-url
1222 [16:37:14] <ksk> Elon_Satoshi: no Idea about AMD, but for
nvidia you have to have nvidia-cuda foo installed. then you need to
compile the cuda module from source, and tell xmrig about it.
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1224 [16:37:35] <ksk> I suppose, it could be similiar for AMD
maybe.
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1228 [16:38:24] <ksk> Did not install "drivers from
nvidia" so to say, but via the debian ways (nvidia-detect...)
1229 [16:38:58] <Elon_Satoshi> How do you tell xmrig about the
cuda module?
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1232 [16:42:17] <ksk> like so: "--cuda
--cuda-loader=/home/ksk/xmrig/build/libxmrig-cuda.so" -- not
that its on-topic in here in any way :P
1233 [16:42:21] <Elon_Satoshi> Oh, with these command line
options, I guess.
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1235 [16:42:47] <Elon_Satoshi> I think getting xmrig to work on
debian is pretty on-topic.
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1238 [16:43:56] <Elon_Satoshi> Ah well. I guess I'll stick to
CPU mining wownero on my other laptop. It has a decent CPU but the
intel graphics slows down seconds after booting
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1241 [16:46:09] <BenLue> I use Terminus on Windows. I don't
see the icons, even though the font is installed on Windows and VM
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1318 [17:38:41] <tytan> hello everyone
1319 [17:39:31] <tytan> today I tried to format a drive for a
friend who is using Windows 10 in arch linux. after that failed I
gave debian a try with the same result. he can not assign a drive
letter. here is what I did:
1320 [17:39:51] <tytan> fdisk /dev/sdb g n Enter Enter Enter Enter
w
1321 [17:40:09] <tytan> mkfs -t ntfs -f -L "External
HDD" /dev/sdb1
1322 [17:40:36] <tytan> I also tried setting a partition type in
fdisk with t but without success
1323 [17:40:41] <tytan> what am I doing wrong?
1324 [17:41:06] <jhutchins> tytan: Trying to appease Windows.
1325 [17:41:49] <joepublic> I am really sorry your friend
can't "assign a drive letter" in "windows".
1326 [17:41:50] <tytan> I don't mind other people using
Windows
1327 [17:41:52] <jhutchins> tytan: The problem is that ntfs is not
necessarily ntfs. Microsoft has made changes in it from time to
time, and it's not always compatible.
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1329 [17:42:21] <tytan> oh damn
1330 [17:42:28] <jhutchins> I would try a google search for
something like "format a drive for windows 10 in linux".
1331 [17:43:25] <kxsl> could something be wrong with the drive?
i've formatted ntfs drives on linux for usb and they've
always worked
1332 [17:43:35] <tytan> all I get are tutorials for GParted but I
would really like to be able to do it in the CLI
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1334 [17:44:04] <kxsl> it's my preferred fs for those drives.
supported by nearly everything. everything else is too glitchy or
unsupported
1335 [17:44:13] <joepublic> I don't see why that mkfs
wouldn't work tbh
1336 [17:44:15] <jhutchins> tytan: I'm under the impression
that you can run individual steps on the CLI with parted.
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1339 [17:44:49] <jhutchins> I think it was Win7 where we had to
start using the Windows Disk Manger to shrink the partitions because
the ntfs specs had changed.
1340 [17:44:52] <tytan> oh ok, I will take a look at the parted
man page
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1342 [17:45:19] <tytan> why is windows always such a pain ...
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1344 [17:45:47] <jhutchins> That was also the reason for the dire
warnings about using NTFS partitions in Linux - they tweaked the
specs, and the only way you knew you had an intolerant variant was
that your data was gone.
1345 [17:46:16] <jhutchins> s/using/writing to.
1346 [17:46:58] <tytan> sounds fun
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1354 [17:50:44] <ksk> also, windows ntfs implementation (or
userspace, not sure) has a limit on "max length of
path+filename" which you can circumvent when using the disk on
linux. you can still access these files, but not delete/move/copy
them ;)
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1357 [17:52:48] <tytan> crazy
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1360 [17:53:23] <tytan> I tend to use Ext4 or OpenZFS and I never
had any problems with those
1361 [17:53:55] <dvs> !start an fs war
1362 [17:53:55] <dpkg> Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal
persistency!
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1367 [17:54:47] <tytan> fs war?
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1372 [17:56:37] <openface> quassel
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1381 [17:59:07] <tytan> nah I did not come start a file system
war. I just try to get better at using GNU/Linux
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1386 [18:00:16] <ta0gh1> Windows makes harder to appease him so we
must to give up it
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1389 [18:03:18] <tytan> ta0gh1: I don't think I understand
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1394 [18:05:07] <ta0gh1> I tried to work with Windows but he
fucked up times and times
1395 [18:05:22] <ta0gh1> so I give up to support him with our SOs
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1397 [18:05:33] <ta0gh1> so I gave up to support him with our
SOs**
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1399 [18:06:31] <ta0gh1> lol
1400 [18:06:33] <tytan> I have given up on Windows many years ago
as well. Makes little sense to waste time on that
1401 [18:06:40] <ta0gh1> so I gave up to support him with our
operation systems..
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1404 [18:07:08] <ta0gh1> yeah, unfortunetaly people still is in
jail for it
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1409 [18:07:42] <ta0gh1> but Debian is a great OS, I like it very
much
1410 [18:07:59] <ta0gh1> would be awesome if it overcome windows
someday
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1412 [18:08:55] <tytan> Debian already has overcome Windows in the
server space
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1416 [18:10:12] <ta0gh1> long live to Debian GNU+kernels
1417 [18:10:41] <EdePopede> there are still a lot of games and
your company using the same office and mail infrastructure they used
to 2 decades ago.
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1431 [18:14:57] <tytan> thanks for all your help, everyone
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1437 [18:17:18] <mehlon> yo debs
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1439 [18:17:33] <dvs> nes
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1441 [18:18:32] <ta0gh1> EdePopede: LibreOffice has overcome Ms
Office
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1443 [18:19:00] <mehlon> that sounds great
1444 [18:19:04] <EdePopede> ta0gh1: welcome to Limux
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1448 [18:19:42] <ta0gh1> EdePopede: i am 13 GNU/Linux years old
1449 [18:20:22] <EdePopede> i wouldn't expect a lot of tax
based offices even having an at least halfway up-to-date software
stack.
1450 [18:21:02] <EdePopede> XP did it for 15 years, so why
replacing it... only costs money and risks breaking everything.
1451 [18:21:36] <ta0gh1> I switch XP for Linux Mint Mate-desktop
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1455 [18:22:27] <ta0gh1> bbl
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1465 [18:26:15] <annadane> i would like to interject for a moment.
what you call gnu/linux is, in fact, gnu/systemd/linux
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1496 [18:38:38] <Richard_Megot> salut
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1498 [18:38:48] <ksk> annadane: <3
1499 [18:38:52] <Richard_Megot> On cherche les français sur
ce réseau :)
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1501 [18:38:56] <ksk> !fr
1502 [18:38:56] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users:
for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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1511 [18:49:07] <petn-randall> annadane: You wouldn't list
dbus, or X11, or gnome/kde/xfce in there, either, would you?
1512 [18:49:50] <ksk> none of them are installed in my containers
:P
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1522 [18:56:05] <f-a> does Firefox come with AdBlock installed?
(asking for my mum)
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1524 [18:56:20] <ksk> no.
1525 [18:56:29] <f-a> thanks
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1528 [18:58:26] <Terrell> test
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1530 [18:58:51] <Terrell> petn-randall, are you here?
1531 [18:59:03] <petn-randall> Terrell: yes
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1535 [18:59:56] <petn-randall> !install guide
1536 [18:59:56] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10
"Buster" can be found at
replaced-url
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1538 [19:00:02] <petn-randall> Terrell: You probably want to start
here. ^^^
1539 [19:00:37] <Terrell> hey! great. I have the day open...
don't have a suitable sd here. Probably have a suitable thumb.
I do have a terabyte HDD not used and can back everything onto it.
Lets see... 2 laptops at 160 GB and 2 towers at 250 I think.
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1541 [19:01:45] <Terrell> petn-randall, I have done this before. I
want triple boot on the towers.
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1544 [19:02:40] <petn-randall> Terrell: That's great! So read
the install guide, and if you get stuck somewhere you can ask in
here.
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1608 [19:38:37] <subcool> ok, quick minor help.
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1610 [19:39:23] <subcool> IDK how this happened, overnighte-
without me touching it. BUT- somehow... my Iptables got turned
around. It turned my Chain input policy to drop, and my chain output
folicy to drop
1611 [19:39:28] <subcool> how do i fix it?
1612 [19:40:03] <petn-randall> subcool: The same way you set it up
in the first place.
1613 [19:40:20] <subcool> petn-randall: i didnt set it up the
first time
1614 [19:40:22] <petn-randall> subcool: There is no firewall
configured in Debian by default, so you must have installed and
configured something to do so.
1615 [19:40:30] <joepublic> someone or something did
1616 [19:40:34] <subcool> nordvpn
1617 [19:40:38] <petn-randall> subcool: What distro are you
running?
1618 [19:40:46] <subcool> debian strech
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1620 [19:41:04] <petn-randall> subcool: I guess the install script
for nordvpn then did. You might want to contact them for support.
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1622 [19:41:29] <subcool> i was using it fine last night and the
night before, and then today all communication stopped. i check the
tables.. and i saw everything in drop
1623 [19:41:37] <subcool> nordvpn is useless when it comes to
support
1624 [19:41:46] <subcool> and it would take over a day of chat to
address it.
1625 [19:41:51] <joepublic> .. then you probably don't get
support
1626 [19:42:06] <subcool> There isnt a command that i can do to
reverse the current setup/
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1628 [19:42:15] <subcool> joepublic: theres support- they just
suck.
1629 [19:42:39] <subcool> i spent 2 hours, twice, arguing with
them to asking what port they use for SSL Proxy -
1630 [19:42:41] <subcool> 2 HOURS
1631 [19:43:01] <subcool> and they still refused to tell me.
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1634 [19:43:16] <subcool> "goto the help" - "check
out the support documenation" -
1635 [19:43:37] <subcool> Their own help desk, was telling me to
go read the help forums. WHich LIterally - dont mention it anywhere.
1636 [19:43:38] <joepublic> they wanted you to read; what jerks
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1639 [19:44:20] <subcool> it came to it- they dont hand out ports
for those things. The only way to use the ssl proxy is with their
addon ext.
1640 [19:44:33] <subcool> but thats something else.
1641 [19:44:36] <petn-randall> subcool: I'm guessing they set
it up for a reason, to avoid connections and DNS lookups going
outside of the VPN tunnel. Of course you can "fix" it, but
you might end up not using the tunnel at all.
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1645 [19:45:08] <subcool> petn-randall: right- they have wacky
reasons. but w.e.
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1647 [19:45:35] <subcool> either way- i ad to argue with them 2
for hours, because they had NO problem telling me to go read a
location that they KNOW is not there.
1648 [19:45:55] <subcool> because just like for cyber sec and
another protocol - they simply dont offer it.
1649 [19:46:09] <subcool> But- mypoint is - sending me off to nord
for soething you can answer - is silly
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1652 [19:46:54] <subcool> Is there a way to reverse the iptables -
i dont use iptables. I got introcued to them, because of nordvpn
screwing with my stuff
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1654 [19:47:21] <petn-randall> subcool: `man iptables`, search for
policy.
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1661 [19:49:41] <subcool> petn-randall: isnt that the command do
redo them all one by one - manually?
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1664 [19:50:23] <joepublic> sounds kind of plonky to me
"Can't you just tell me the exact thing to type for my
unique situation so I can just get on with my life"
1665 [19:50:32] <petn-randall> subcool: Sure, look for
"--flush" in the same man page.
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1668 [19:51:00] <subcool> joepublic: yeah---
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1670 [19:51:15] <subcool> my resovle is to remove it and start
fresh.
1671 [19:51:20] <subcool> because i dont use iptables
1672 [19:51:42] <subcool> but- if your resolve to help someone..
is tell them to go read the manual. i cant wait for that karma to
smack you
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1676 [19:52:01] <petn-randall> subcool: Go troll somewhere else.
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1679 [19:52:59] <petn-randall> You're not magically entitled
for others to read the man page for you so you can save one minute
of your life. For a product that isn't even shipped in Debian,
just because they have shitty support.
1680 [19:53:48] <petn-randall> If you can't even get your
arse off the ground to read the section of the man page we've
*pointed* you to, this channel isn't for you.
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1822 [21:26:39] <psiforce> Does anyone know why there doesn't
appear to be any Debian Buster AMI images on EC2?
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1843 [21:36:35] <dumbuser-111> Is there any standard ways of
getting a list of build dependencies for a given piece of software?
I'm talking about a well-maintained, relatively user-friendly
package that uses automake, autoconf, etc.
1844 [21:37:17] <dumbuser-111> Basically a stand in for running
./configure over and over until I stop getting "You need to
install ALSA" etc.
1845 [21:37:50] <bouba> hi, my english is so bad.... but i have an
hp elite ssf 8000 and the microphone doesn't work. what kind ok
microphone must i buy for fine work? ty in advance.
1846 [21:38:02] <kale> dumbuser-111: apt-get build-dep beep
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1851 [21:39:16] <diogenes_> dumbuser-111, or look in readme or in
linuxfromscratch page.
1852 [21:39:26] <bouba> any suggestion ?....
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1854 [21:40:07] <dumbuser-111> ok, thanks, that is what I tried,
but I got an error saying I needed to add source repositories.
Wondered if there was another way. I'll just add the
repositories next time.
1855 [21:40:17] <diogenes_> bouba, has it ever worked before?
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1858 [21:41:15] <bouba> no is the first time i try with simple
microphone and micro+headphone.
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1863 [21:41:52] <kale> bouba: usually the mic is muted and ahs to
be unmuted. i believe you can do that in alsa mixer
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1865 [21:42:31] <bouba> i think about connectors , in alsmixer the
micro is on.
1866 [21:42:33] <diogenes_> bouba, also check in pavucontrol.
1867 [21:42:41] <bouba> ok
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1869 [21:43:48] <rgr> Debian stable, GDM3 : I'm having zero
success adding my own login session option. According to docs I
googled it should be as simple as creating a new .desktop file in
/usr/share/xsessions but no joy. Can someone please put me right.
1870 [21:44:09] <bouba> i m uploadind the app.
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1872 [21:44:19] <bouba> -d +g
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1874 [21:45:10] <kale> rgr: what is it you want done, when logging
in?
1875 [21:45:30] <diogenes_> rgr, does your session start from VT?
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1877 [21:45:56] <bouba> pavucontrol seems to activate connection
with pulseaudio and i don't have pulseaudio installed.
1878 [21:46:11] <rgr> I want to add a new login option - in this
case I dont want to run gnome I want to run emacs EXWM in much the
same way I used to use xmonad.
1879 [21:46:23] <rgr> VT?
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1883 [21:48:26] <diogenes_> bouba, ha? what Debian is that it
doesn't have pulseaudio?
1884 [21:48:37] <kale> rgr: so you want to load nother window
manager?
1885 [21:48:54] <kale> s/nother/another/
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1887 [21:49:29] <bouba> diogenes_, i use only soft programmes.
1888 [21:49:57] <rgr> I want to add a new session option to the
existing ones. As I said, like I used to have to enable xmonad on on
older version of debian/gdm. In other words the option to select a
non preconfiured window manager.
1889 [21:50:16] <bouba> pulseaudio is heavy , may be i make
mistake grammar here?
1890 [21:51:14] <diogenes_> bouba, and that might be the reason
your mic doesn't work.
1891 [21:51:18] <rgr> eg whats discussed here. It should be
straightforwad. It isnt.
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1893 [21:52:10] <rgr> pulseaudio isn't heavy and really is
necessary on a modern debian desktop.
1894 [21:52:43] <bouba> diogenes_, alsamixer is not enough ?
1895 [21:53:23] <diogenes_> bouba, read what rgr said.
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1897 [21:53:43] <rgr> gotta reboot back soon
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1902 [21:54:33] <bouba> yes but i started my instalation with
netinstall.
1903 [21:55:38] <bouba> and pulseaudio , systemd, wayland are
topics of troll.
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1905 [21:56:14] <diogenes_> bouba, i guess a better way to test if
your mic works is to grab a live iso and try it out in live session.
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1908 [21:57:35] <bouba> diogenes_, ty 4 info. but before in
stretch the mic work well ,
1909 [21:57:47] <rgr> so, anyone familiar with adding new window
managers to gdm3. This is really frustrating,
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1911 [21:58:13] <bouba> rgr i use jwm.
1912 [21:58:25] <rgr> right, well thats of no interest or relevant
to gdm3.
1913 [21:59:15] <rgr> be sure to treble check you have unmuted
your mic using alsamixer.
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1919 [22:01:03] <bouba> my mic is no unmutte i thing about
alignment connectors
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1921 [22:02:13] <bouba> in the front the gif indicate "mic +
headphone"
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1927 [22:06:09] <bouba> i think may be the probleme is in
asound.state.
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1939 [22:11:54] <spacebug^> error: internal error: unable to
execute QEMU command 'block-commit': Could not reopen
file: Permission denied
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1941 [22:12:09] <spacebug^> :( looks like it's a known bug
though
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1943 [22:14:13] <ealfonso> beep doesn't work for me anymore
in debian 10, not even as root. according to
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1944 [22:14:14] <judd> Bug
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1948 [22:17:47] <ealfonso> somehow I have to know all about udev
rules, acls, I have to create my own "beep" group, add
users to it, fix some more permissions, etc. all because a
maintainer couldn't be bothered to make it simpler for users
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1970 [22:33:08] <joepublic> yeah. beep sucks.
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1972 [22:33:32] <joepublic> I made a beep.sh and sudo that.
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1976 [22:34:11] <jhutchins> ealfonso: Which packages do you
contribute volunteer time to?
1977 [22:34:53] <joepublic> The first line of the .sh file is:
unset SUDO_GID SUDO_COMMAND SUDO_USER SUDO_UID
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1980 [22:36:47] <joepublic> followed by: beep "$@"
1981 [22:36:56] <ealfonso> joepublic could you share it?
1982 [22:37:03] <joepublic> I basically just did
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1984 [22:37:23] <ealfonso> jhutchins so now in order to report
bugs or usability issues I need to "pay" in volunteer
time?
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1989 [22:37:54] <joepublic> no! in order to bitch how a maintainer
couldn't be bothered to consider your convenience, you must
first walk in his shoes. simple enough.
1990 [22:39:54] <joepublic> reporting bugs or usability issues
does not contain the phrase "all because a maintainer
couldn't be bothered"
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1996 [22:44:37] <spacebug^> bah. How can I make gdm3 reload my
group belongings? I added myself to sudo group but it does not show
up or work in the current session. I have tried to logout and login
without success. I even tried restarting gdm3.
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1999 [22:45:33] <joepublic> I usually just add myself to sudoers
with visudo, rather than relying on the group
2000 [22:45:45] <joepublic> Never Do This(tm) I hear, but it works
2001 [22:46:22] <dvs> What's wrong with that?
2002 [22:46:35] <joepublic> got me. it's all I ever do.
2003 [22:47:00] <spacebug^> I guess thats one way of doing it. At
least for the sudo group. But other groups can't be done that
way
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2006 [22:49:18] <joepublic> if you cat /etc/group |grep
yourusername does it confirm that you are indeed members of the
intended group(s)? just curious
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2014 [22:52:49] <ealfonso> the maintainer's attitude in that
bug report seems kind of arrogant and indifferent to the pain of
users trying to use the package
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2017 [22:53:31] <spacebug^> joepublic: yes
2018 [22:53:33] <ealfonso> just like this maintainer, who
apparently doesn't think Debian's reasons for removing
ekiga are legimate:
replaced-url
2019 [22:54:26] <jim> spacebug^, well visudo is not adding someone
to a group, and those are two separate ways (using visudo, adding to
sudo group) of allowing someone to sudo
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2024 [22:55:56] <spacebug^> jim: well yeah. It will work this time
when it was about sudo. It will not work other times for other
groups. I can't seem to find another way than to reboot. Really
does not seem right
2025 [22:55:56] <mtcdood> I have a web application that says to
install FastCGI, but when I do that apt-get says there's no
installation candidate.
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2029 [22:57:11] <mtcdood> the full error is here:
replaced-url
2030 [22:57:59] <mtcdood> I'm seeing varying explanations for
why this is, from not having the non-free repository enabled (I do)
to FastCGI not being necessary anymore because you can use something
else
2031 [22:58:08] <mtcdood> can someone help me diagnose this?
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2033 [22:58:33] <joepublic> mtcdood, maybe you want
libapache2-mod-fcgid?
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2035 [22:59:06] <mtcdood> I did try installing and a2enmodding
that, but httpd still won't accept the site configuration where
the module is being configured, for example
2036 [22:59:14] <mtcdood> "Invalid command
'FastCgiServer', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module
not included in the server configuration"
2037 [22:59:46] <joepublic> ,v libapache2-mod-fastcgi
2038 [22:59:47] <judd> Package: libapache2-mod-fastcgi on amd64 --
jessie/non-free: 2.4.7~0910052141-1.1+deb8u1
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2040 [23:00:25] <joepublic> so, it's in oldoldstable but not
oldstable nor stable.
2041 [23:00:29] <mtcdood> gotcha
2042 [23:00:47] <mtcdood> so it's not super old, just old
enough that isn't around now.
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2044 [23:01:10] <mtcdood> I'm not seeing in my Google
searches how to transition from FastCGI to fcgid
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2047 [23:02:00] <joepublic> I would say oldoldstable is super old,
except I know that I have at least one server still on jessie
2048 [23:02:01] <mtcdood> it looks like to call an external perl
script, for this example, I'd have to set up proxying and
stuff? maybe someone with more experience can say "Yeah
that's what you need to look into" but at this time I
don't want to jump the gun and end up down the rabbit hole
2049 [23:02:17] <mtcdood> well yeah in Debian land oldoldstable is
pretty old I guess haha
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2059 [23:08:28] <mtcdood>
replaced-url
2060 [23:08:46] <mtcdood> I would imagine there's some other
directive to use but I have no idea how to find it
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2063 [23:09:07] <joepublic> I haven't used CGI since
something like 1995, sorry
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2068 [23:09:20] <joepublic> *ok, maybe 2005
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2077 [23:10:51] <adam_> üdv
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2082 [23:11:47] <mtcdood> I tried installing fastcgi_proxy which
someone said, in 2013, was necessary
2083 [23:11:47] <EdePopede> cgi? that borland graphics thing?
2084 [23:12:01] <mtcdood> nah, web server stuff
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2087 [23:12:29] <EdePopede> heh. "1995" opened a really
old door.
2088 [23:12:31] <mtcdood> trying to figure out how to get this app
to work that uses FastCGI, except I can't use FastCGI because
that's not around anymore
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2091 [23:13:23] <ksk> mtcdood: in short, you dont ;)
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2093 [23:13:31] <mtcdood> so
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2095 [23:13:33] <mtcdood> I just don't use the app
2096 [23:13:37] <mtcdood> that's a great suggestion
2097 [23:13:43] <joepublic> !next
2098 [23:13:43] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2101 [23:14:26] <mtcdood> you're telling me every program on
the planet that uses FastCGI became unusable when Apache 2.4 came
out
2102 [23:14:27] <joepublic> you could put the whole thing in a
virtual machine, install the superold package, and see what happens.
2103 [23:14:34] <mtcdood> dude
2104 [23:14:36] <joepublic> not necessarily recommending that, but
it would be instructive at least.
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2106 [23:14:43] <mtcdood> there's fcgid
2107 [23:14:48] <mtcdood> I'm trying to figure out how to use
it
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2110 [23:14:56] <mtcdood> it's not like there's not just
nothing that does CGI now
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2112 [23:15:25] <mtcdood> I just don't know how to switch
from one to the next, which I completely refuse to believe is
impossible until I see a web page saying it is
2113 [23:15:49] <joepublic> I am sure it's possible, I am
just not knowledgeable enough to give you helpful advice how to do
it unfortunately
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2115 [23:16:02] <mtcdood> you're fine
2116 [23:16:16] <mtcdood> "you dont" is the issue
response, nothing you've said
2117 [23:16:20] <petn-randall> mtcdood: Ok, so fastcgi isn't
supported anymore in any recent web server. Have you considered any
alternatives yet?
2118 [23:16:25] <mtcdood> ...
2119 [23:16:27] <mtcdood> yes
2120 [23:16:46] <mtcdood> I'm trying to figure out how to use
fcgid which appears, from my limited understanding, to be the modern
equivalent
2121 [23:16:49] <petn-randall> mtcdood: Most script languages have
much faster alternatives. Even fastcgi isn't needed if you just
want to execute script code serverside.
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2125 [23:17:32] <petn-randall> mtcdood: What web application are
we talking about, and in which language is it written?
2126 [23:17:50] <mtcdood> this is a Perl application that takes a
Twitter username and produces an RSS feed
2127 [23:18:05] <mtcdood> for people that want programmatic access
to tweets, just don't want a Twitter account, whatever
motivation
2128 [23:18:16] <mtcdood>
replaced-url
2129 [23:18:28] <mtcdood> it doesn't seem like a candidate
for the "so old it's never going to be usable" club
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2131 [23:18:45] <mtcdood> it's still being updated, and I
don't think the guy is using a 5 year old distro
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2141 [23:22:21] <petn-randall> mtcdood: There's
libapache2-mod-fcgid, and libapache2-mod-perl2, from my quick search
with aptitude.
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2143 [23:23:27] <mtcdood> yeah
2144 [23:23:49] <mtcdood>
replaced-url
2145 [23:23:54] <petn-randall> mtcdood: The former even being
binary compatible to libapache2-mod-fastcgi, so you don't need
much adapting.
2146 [23:23:58] <mtcdood>
replaced-url
2147 [23:24:11] <mtcdood> ancient thing saying you need another
thing
2148 [23:24:23] <mtcdood> tried without then with the proxy
2149 [23:24:30] <mtcdood> don't know how to configure the
proxy
2150 [23:24:37] <mtcdood> might need to
2151 [23:24:49] <petn-randall> mtcdood: It comes with
documentation in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/
2152 [23:24:56] <mtcdood> oh that'll be great
2153 [23:25:03] <mtcdood> go ahead and read through mod proxy
2154 [23:25:15] <mtcdood> like 1% will be relevant and it
won't be clearly labeled
2155 [23:25:37] <mtcdood> because there aren't specific docs
to the fastcgi proxy, it's the whole proxy module
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2157 [23:26:10] <petn-randall> mtcdood: What else do you suggest
other than reading the documentation, which explains how to use the
software?
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2159 [23:27:28] <mtcdood> have you actually read what I posted
2160 [23:27:40] <mtcdood>
replaced-url
2161 [23:27:50] <mtcdood> there is exactly nothing in the file to
do with this module
2162 [23:27:54] <petn-randall> mtcdood: That is not the advise I
gave you.
2163 [23:27:54] <mtcdood> which is what I predicted
2164 [23:28:08] <petn-randall> advice, even
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2169 [23:30:19] <mtcdood> moot point
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2174 [23:30:29] <mtcdood> the module isn't available in
Debian, apparently
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2177 [23:30:49] <petn-randall> ,v libapache2-mod-fcgid
2178 [23:30:50] <mtcdood> 99% certain I had it installed,
can't find it anywhere and can't find it in searches
2179 [23:30:50] <judd> Package: libapache2-mod-fcgid on amd64 --
jessie: 1:2.3.9-1+b1; stretch: 1:2.3.9-1+b1; bullseye: 1:2.3.9-4;
buster: 1:2.3.9-4; sid: 1:2.3.9-4
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2181 [23:30:56] <mtcdood> not that, the proxy
2182 [23:31:01] <mtcdood> fcgid doesn't work by itself
2183 [23:31:20] <mtcdood> it can't directly call Perl scripts
the way old FastCGI could, it needs some kind of helper
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2185 [23:32:10] <petn-randall> mtcdood: libapache2-mod-fcgid does
not depend on a mod-proxy package, so either it's not true, or
mod-proxy is shipped in apache2 by default.
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2187 [23:32:34] <mtcdood> it's in apache2-utils
2188 [23:32:44] <petn-randall> However, if you're running
buster, it's not there, so you need to use the other option I
gave you.
2189 [23:32:47] <mtcdood> I didn't say it is a dependency, I
said fcgid doesn't work with it
2190 [23:32:52] <mtcdood> I'm running oldstable
2191 [23:33:02] <mtcdood> ok so I apologize for my earlier comment
about docs
2192 [23:33:10] <mtcdood> I found the actual specific docs for the
individual module
2193 [23:33:19] <petn-randall> It would be an RC bug if a package
requires another one to work, but doesn't depend on it.
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2197 [23:34:02] <mtcdood> under examples:
replaced-url
2198 [23:34:02] <petn-randall> Yes, reading the documentation that
comes with the package saves a lot of time, as tutorials or online
docs quickly because out of date when the versions don't match.
2199 [23:34:48] <petn-randall> Well, you're *still* not
reading the docs I'm telling you, you're instead reading
the docs for a version of apache2 that isn't packaged in
Debian.
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2206 [23:37:59] <mtcdood> dude
2207 [23:38:01] <mtcdood> ok fine
2208 [23:38:04] <mtcdood> that's not going to matter
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2211 [23:39:12] <mtcdood> yeah I don't know what you want me
to do
2212 [23:39:17] <mtcdood> I can't find the documentation for
2.4
2213 [23:39:22] <mtcdood> it was however released in 2.3.9
2214 [23:39:25] <mtcdood> so it's in 2.4
2215 [23:40:10] <petn-randall> mtcdood: Ok, three time's the
charm. Have you looked in /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-fcgid/?
2216 [23:40:30] <mtcdood> why would I look in Debian docs
2217 [23:40:51] <petn-randall> Ok, I'll ignore you now. Good
luck!
2218 [23:40:56] <mtcdood> did a Debian dev write the module or did
an Apache dev?
2219 [23:41:05] <mtcdood> I mean you can take your ball and run
home pal
2220 [23:41:13] <mtcdood> I was never playing with it, it
doesn't hurt my feelings
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2226 [23:43:24] <petn-randall> mtcdood: Because you'd then
look at the actual documentation to the exact version you're
running. But instead you looked at documentation not related to the
module, then to documentation not applicable to that version, thus
wasting everyone's time.
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2231 [23:44:58] <spacebug^> killing '/lib/systemd/systemd
--user' for my user and then login made it reload the groups I
was added to. However lots of other stuff broke :D Anyway, it seems
to be related to systemd.
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2234 [23:46:57] <jhutchins> mtcdood: I haven't done fastcgi
yet, but I had the impression that there was more to it than just
enabling the module..
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2243 [23:51:25] <misterred> Hi. if i exit hexchat my irc client,
will this be saved (messages, joined channels...)?
2244 [23:52:18] <petn-randall> misterred: You should be able to
configure it to rejoin your channels. By default most irc clients
don't log data, and don't rejoin channels.
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2246 [23:53:41] <jhutchins> misterred: Some clients have a logging
feature that will preserve the logs between sessions, or you may
want to find a site that has a continuous log for what you missed
while off-line.
2247 [23:53:49] <misterred> petn-randall Thanks, is it to check
autojoin only? What about history?
2248 [23:53:54] <jhutchins> I just keep a continous session.
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2253 [23:57:25] <misterred> Can you guys direct me. I need some
i3wm, or bash(problem is with simple bash script) help.
2254 [23:58:09] <jhutchins> misterred: You can try just posting it
here.
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