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• 5[00:03:48] <awal1> david3, under stable branch upgrade or dist-upgrade does quasi same thing since no new pkgs/newer versions are introduced. testingUnstable are another story
• 6[00:04:44] <annadane> well, at least for point releases
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• 8[00:04:56] <annadane> 8 > 9 > 10 etc is a bit of a different story
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• 12[00:05:15] <awal1> ya
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• 17[00:06:14] <awal1> obvious :P
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• 23[00:07:24] <mrjayribs> dcaxq: sorry i'm so busy replaced-url
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• 26[00:08:21] <mrjayribs> dcaxq: I wonder if that info was too person
• 27[00:08:25] <mrjayribs> personal*
• 28[00:08:30] <annadane> yeah i mean it's like i was saying linux programs really ought to run pdf's
• 29[00:08:33] <annadane> including firefox
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• 31[00:08:40] <annadane> that message you got makes zero sense
• 32[00:08:46] <annadane> unless they have a really shady deal with adobe
• 33[00:08:52] <dcaxq> mrjayribs: as you see the pdf created with Adobe LiveCycle and I am not aware of a pdf software that can open that file.
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• 36[00:09:17] <mrjayribs> that was a fancy set of commands my friend. bravo for your help!
• 37[00:09:17] <dcaxq> mrjayribs: Your best is to open it on Adobe Acrobat on a windows compuer.
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• 44[00:10:49] <dcaxq> computer*
• 45[00:11:24] <mrjayribs> dcaxq: thank you. Honestly that nc command does it for me.
• 46[00:11:49] <dcaxq> no problem
• 47[00:12:05] <dcaxq> happy to help
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• 49[00:12:50] <mrjayribs> dcaxq: yeah but really wtf whats up with that nc command
• 50[00:13:31] <mrjayribs> to the man pages!
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• 53[00:14:03] <dcaxq> yep
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• 56[00:14:24] <dcaxq> in briefly, it's just pipe and send the data to that host+port
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• 64[00:16:56] <mrjayribs> I see. Yeah I'm researching it. It's a very simple tool.
• 65[00:16:58] <annadane> i did not know about livecycle... that's really odd
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• 67[00:18:15] <awal1> btw, pdftk + pdfchain are good
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• 69[00:19:09] <mrjayribs> awal1: good for what?
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• 72[00:20:08] <awal1> for restricted pdf stuff
• 73[00:20:58] <mrjayribs> i'll give it a shot
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• 76[00:22:05] <tiwake> how do I use LUKS to decrypt some drives before initramfs tries to mount my ZFS pool?
• 77[00:22:24] <dcaxq> !luks
• 78[00:22:25] <dpkg> Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. replaced-url
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• 80[00:22:51] <Maido-Chan> is there any way in kate tocompare two files side by side?
• 81[00:23:16] <tiwake> dcaxq: I already have it set up, I just need to decrypt the drives that my ZFS pool is attached to before ZFS tries to mount it
• 82[00:23:33] <durg> maido-chan: thats a typical diff exercise
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• 84[00:23:50] <durg> emacs can also do it, don't know about kate
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• 86[00:24:05] <mrjayribs> awal1: i'd love to talk about that later; but I have to go now. Thank you for the suggestions yall!
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• 88[00:24:14] <phogg> Maido-Chan: use kdiff3 for that
• 89[00:24:26] <Maido-Chan> kdiff3?
• 90[00:24:42] <phogg> Maido-Chan: a KDE diff program; also the best GUI diff tool I've used
• 91[00:25:26] <Maido-Chan> k thanx
• 92[00:25:28] <Maido-Chan> installing now
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• 95[00:26:08] <Maido-Chan> something odd. i prefer gui for almost everything and yet i don't think i've opened whatever graphical package manager debian/xfce4 may have come with.
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• 101[00:28:58] <annadane> Maido-Chan, split view?
• 102[00:29:05] <annadane> "view - split view"
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• 104[00:29:10] <Coolternet> hello guys
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• 106[00:29:21] <Maido-Chan> doesn't have comparative highlighting or synchronized scrolling. :p
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• 110[00:31:07] <Coolternet> anyone can tell me if all is ok ? replaced-url
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• 124[00:38:34] <dcaxq> Coolternet: why do you ask here?
• 125[00:38:53] <dcaxq> what is the issue?
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• 127[00:39:12] <Coolternet> i dont have any acces to web server
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• 279[02:02:16] <Crawl123> hi guys
• 280[02:02:28] <bazhang> hi
• 281[02:02:28] <Crawl123> I can't run ifconfig
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• 283[02:02:36] <Crawl123> Just installed debian
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• 285[02:02:40] <bazhang> what about ip route
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• 287[02:02:48] <Crawl123> ?
• 288[02:02:56] <bazhang> use ip
• 289[02:03:01] <bazhang> not ifconfig
• 290[02:03:21] <Crawl123> any params?
• 291[02:03:27] <bazhang> sure
• 292[02:03:27] <Crawl123> I mean, I need basic info
• 293[02:03:38] <n4dir> probably: ip a
• 294[02:03:42] <bazhang> ever heard of reading a man
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• 307[02:08:33] <mnuhmnuh> /sbin/ifconfig
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• 314[02:09:20] <mnuhmnuh> works. /sbin's not in PATH. silly.
• 315[02:09:32] <mnuhmnuh> not your fault.
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• 317[02:10:16] <coruja> if ifconfig is installed…
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• 329[02:15:48] <Crawl123> how to nslookup in debian?
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• 332[02:17:18] <Crawl123> also I can't run synaptic gui
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• 336[02:19:08] <coruja> try to use 'apt search <whatever>' yourself and 'i can't run xy' is no error message one can do any support with
• 337[02:19:28] <coruja> !ask
• 338[02:19:29] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 340[02:20:07] <xilok> whois ? maybe
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• 342[02:20:18] <Crawl123> heh, I can't configure network, I need tools that can be installed over network, hah
• 343[02:20:48] <mnuhmnuh> libnet-nslookup-perl?
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• 345[02:21:02] <coruja> then you should maybe ask for help with network config (see above how)
• 346[02:21:07] <mnuhmnuh> :-)
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• 348[02:22:35] <xilok> !ip
• 349[02:22:35] <dpkg> IP (Internet Protocol) is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. To check yours, go to replaced-url
• 350[02:22:40] <coruja> and if network is a problem during installation, maybe use a dvd iso for install with much more packages 'on board' even offline
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• 353[02:23:29] <Crawl123> yea, I made usb-installer
• 354[02:23:47] <Crawl123> but apt doesn't see it like source of applications
• 355[02:24:23] <coruja> it should be added automatically to sources.list during install, maybe just commented out
• 356[02:24:49] <coruja> /etc/apt/sources.list i mean
• 357[02:26:12] <xilok> that is a repo list
• 358[02:26:30] <xilok> apt-get update
• 359[02:26:41] <xilok> what does it do?
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• 362[02:28:15] <bitlan> hi
• 363[02:28:51] <bitlan> where i can find IMQ patch for debian 9 with 4.9.0-3-amd64 kernel ?
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• 372[02:33:19] <Crawl123> It hopes that I will install it with cdrom
• 373[02:33:23] <Crawl123> so it adds it
• 374[02:33:25] <Crawl123> not flash
• 375[02:33:39] <Crawl123> now fckn nano is zombie and I can't kill it
• 376[02:33:51] <Crawl123> 'cause I use ctrl+C for copy, haha
• 377[02:33:57] <Crawl123> mthfckr
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• 379[02:34:24] <bazhang> Crawl123, no cursing please
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• 381[02:34:29] <Crawl123> k
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• 385[02:35:03] <Crawl123> instead of lunch I configuring old stugg
• 386[02:35:07] <Crawl123> stuff*
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• 399[02:43:00] <Crawl123> how to add new source to it?
• 400[02:43:18] <Crawl123> It doesn't get "/media/arh-admin/Debian"
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• 423[02:59:06] <masterkorp> Guys how can I install AMD propritary drivers on debian ?
• 424[02:59:37] <RoyK> graphics card stuff_
• 425[02:59:38] <RoyK> ?
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• 427[03:01:13] <ealfonso> just installed npm through apt-get and I'm getting an error: "Error: Cannot find module 'npmlog'"... is the packageed npm useful at all?
• 428[03:01:13] <ealfonso>
• 429[03:01:33] <somiaj> masterkorp: What graphics card? I think fglrx is discontinued and amdgpupro only supports newer cards.
• 430[03:01:53] <somiaj> ealfonso: do you have installing recommended packages turned off?
• 431[03:01:59] <RoyK> ealfonso: works for me™
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• 434[03:03:09] <somiaj> ealfonso: What version of debian are you running?
• 435[03:04:19] <RoyK> s/What/Which/ # :þ
• 436[03:04:41] <somiaj> Possibly, I'm not the best at grammer.
• 437[03:05:30] <RoyK> shouldn't be that hard
• 438[03:06:19] <ealfonso> probably some issue with some environment variables about where node libs are in the system
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• 440[03:07:04] <RoyK> ealfonso: do you have a lot of stuff compiled by hand?
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• 442[03:08:10] * RoyK slightly wonders how many punched cards you'd need to install a modern linux distro
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• 444[03:10:16] <ealfonso> I'm on 8.9
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• 451[03:19:11] <mnuhmnuh> RoyK: 41 floppie images dl'd from tsx-whatevever.yaknow, over 32kbps modem ...
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• 470[03:25:39] <RoyK> mnuhmnuh: ell, my first linux intallation was from a cdrom, 2x, really fast :D slackware 2.1 kernel 1.1.59 - stability wasn't an issue back then - we didn't have it
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• 529[04:00:26] <turyl> .
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• 534[04:00:57] <jbaruchdu> ?OTRv23?
• 535[04:00:57] <ioniwz> ?OTRv23?
• 536[04:00:57] <krishmk> ?OTRv23?
• 537[04:00:57] <spadizs> ?OTRv23?
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• 559[04:10:21] <GenTooMan> I'm looking at acquiring a new computer and wondered if Debian would install like normal on it. The GL753VE ROG computer from ASUS. I plan on obliterating windows 10 however they seem to have stuffed an SSD drive in it. So now I'm curious how to deal with an SSD. I've installed debian a few times (5 times) so I'm not a neophyte just a bit of concern over the hardware and the UEFI blocking replacement of win10.
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• 587[04:27:44] <dvs> GenTooMan, I think you have to turn off SecureBoot and use the UEFI installer
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• 606[04:46:01] <goiken2> I just ran dist-upgrade after setting my sources.list from stretch to testing. Now I only boot into a blinking cursor…
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• 608[04:46:41] <iflema> and
• 609[04:46:50] <iflema> what are you testing?
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• 611[04:48:36] <annadane> goiken, you should probably ask on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 615[04:51:23] <goiken> any chance I can even get a shell? google suggests that this may be nvidia-related?
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• 620[04:55:10] <iflema> P.E.B.C.A.K. You missed the google about using testing
• 621[04:56:00] <annadane> if you can't even get a shell or virtual terminal it probably means it's more than just accidentally removing a critical package
• 622[04:56:04] <annadane> but take it to #debian-next
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• 626[04:57:44] <goiken> annadane y… get this screen before even running into cryptsetup…
• 627[04:57:53] <FunkyBob> is anyone else getting a 503 for replaced-url
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• 629[04:58:12] <annadane> FunkyBob, not a 503 but yes, "service unavailable"
• 630[04:58:28] <annadane> for me it says "please try again later" so perhaps routine maintenance
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• 632[04:58:38] <FunkyBob> been trying for hours
• 633[04:58:51] <annadane> FunkyBob, perhaps ask on #debian-replaced-url
• 634[04:58:58] <FunkyBob> thanks
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• 638[05:01:50] <iflema> thats a 503 closed for repair
• 639[05:03:30] <iflema> perhaps make useless noise
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• 642[05:05:15] <FunkyBob> seems a little less than their usual professional standard to not put up a page for that
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• 648[05:07:38] <iflema> maybe its getting ddos'd
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• 650[05:07:51] <iflema> lol
• 651[05:08:13] <GenTooMan> dvs: thanks that is what I needed to know.
• 652[05:08:40] <dvs> yay
• 653[05:08:42] <iflema> keep up the good work
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• 664[05:15:15] <k_sze[work]> I'm a bit confused about ntp.service
• 665[05:15:25] <k_sze[work]> Is it an NTP client, an NTP server? Or both?
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• 685[05:22:28] <niconico> did popcorn time break for anyone using debian 9.2?
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• 687[05:23:45] <annadane> niconico, i'm not sure popcorn time is even in debian
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• 689[05:24:11] <niconico> it's not. I happened to install a beta .deb from the official site
• 690[05:24:24] <annadane> well, that's a bad idea
• 691[05:24:25] <niconico> either way it broke completely and was listed as obsolete in my synaptic
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• 693[05:25:01] <niconico> I know it's, but it's the best idea to keep my mother busy and not paying netflix
• 694[05:25:27] <Uberius> XDDDD
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• 746[06:12:11] <binary106> hi does anyone know if syslog receives anything by default? i guess not. How would i pipe in kernel/panic messages to syslog? I want to capture OOM events via syslog->logsprout
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• 755[06:21:29] <Agafnd> so a day or two a go i found mate terminal was beeping at the usual terminal beep times, although it had not done it before.
• 756[06:21:54] <Agafnd> seems "terminal bell" was on in preferences
• 757[06:22:14] <Agafnd> but now i find all the other applications doing it, in input boxes and such
• 758[06:22:29] <Agafnd> i don't *think* i changed anything
• 759[06:22:48] <Agafnd> but how is that turned off? it's really annoying
• 760[06:23:01] <Agafnd> and plays even when the sound is muted :(
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• 766[06:28:25] <Agafnd> to be more specific, it's not *all* applications
• 767[06:28:39] <Agafnd> so far hexchat and x-nethack have done it
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• 799[07:14:53] <la-o-wai> weather
• 800[07:15:11] <han-solo> !weather
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• 802[07:15:26] <han-solo> :}
• 803[07:15:34] <la-o-wai> fail
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• 847[07:38:36] <la-o-wai> ?
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• 852[07:39:31] <wgas> Hi i shutdown my laptop with kaffeine still running the other day now i only get a black window with popup control bar at the bottom, this is messages from starting with terminal replaced-url
• 853[07:39:32] <wgas> uninstalled and reinstalled without change
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• 858[07:42:26] <la-o-wai> wgas: you shut down?
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• 860[07:42:59] <wgas> yes, ive done it before on jessie without a problem
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• 864[07:46:53] <wgas> tried deleting all the config files for kaffeine i could find but still no go
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• 866[07:49:03] <jelly> wgas: does it work with a different, newly created, user?
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• 868[07:49:25] <wgas> havent tried that yet
• 869[07:49:44] <jelly> if it does that points to leftover config _somewhere_ in your normal user's home
• 870[07:50:49] <wgas> ah good idea will try that after i eat, thanks
• 871[07:51:40] <la-o-wai> never do the upgrade
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• 892[08:05:38] <wgas> ok how do i add new user on stretch lxde? no "users" in settings (was using cinnamon jessie b4)
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• 895[08:07:29] <annadane> wgas, "man adduser"
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• 901[08:13:31] <wgas> thnx, annadane
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• 904[08:15:19] <wgas> how do i add another desktop? i want to try kde-plasma
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• 912[08:19:53] <jelly> !install kde
• 913[08:19:53] <dpkg> The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
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• 916[08:20:26] <jelly> those still exist in stretch with plasma5
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• 919[08:21:00] <wgas> cool thnx jelly
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• 935[08:34:32] <vlt> Hello. Is there a way to make a DHCP request without actually changing any network configuration? I want to see what IP address and gateway I *would* get assigned.
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• 941[08:39:35] <nix64bit> vlt: would arp cache not find that?
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• 947[08:42:46] <vlt> Iridos: Yes, there's a "-w" flag but to me it's not entirely clear what it does. Also "-n".
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• 949[08:43:17] <vlt> nix64bit: I'll try arp cache, thanks.
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• 958[08:45:39] <vlt> nix64bit: Any idea exactly *how* to use arp cache to find that?
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• 971[08:49:03] <Iridos> yeah, -n looks like the thing… and yes, it could be a bit more verbose
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• 973[08:49:36] <Iridos> also -d and possibly -v
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• 1087[09:46:45] <dionysus69> morning
• 1088[09:47:13] <dexta> gm
• 1089[09:47:15] <patsToms> "dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync" should be enough to make bootable usb stick with debian?
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• 1091[09:47:42] <dionysus69> yes in case of netinstaller/ uefi
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• 1093[09:48:35] <patsToms> if it is dvd iso?
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• 1102[09:52:14] <deego> Is there an apt- equivalent for "apt-get install foo --purge" so that any automatic removals are purged, not deinstalled?
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• 1133[10:14:12] <rosa> Does anyone know how to re-enable wifi? replaced-url
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• 1157[10:28:04] <patsToms> rosa, maybe you can use some shortcut on your keyboard?
• 1158[10:28:10] <{[````||||````]}> 卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐
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• 1173[10:32:44] <rosa> Lol
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• 1176[10:34:12] <niconico> rosa: which DE are you using?
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• 1186[10:40:46] <altker128> Hey guys. I'm having a weird issue with x11vnc segfaulting whenever I click on a menu item ; it happens with both RealVNC viewer (6.x) and UltraVNC ; Is there an alternative VNC server I can try?
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• 1198[10:50:45] <altker128> Well I think I "fixed it" by running compiz
• 1199[10:50:48] <altker128> let's see if it stays working
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• 1215[11:00:47] <Iridos> what menu?
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• 1235[11:13:59] <J3FF> hey guys, I am running debian 8. where can I see my bootlog? there is no /var/log/boot
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• 1239[11:15:06] <petn-randall> J3FF: You need to install bootlogd for that.
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• 1242[11:15:57] <J3FF> thank you
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• 1246[11:19:00] <petn-randall> No problem :)
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• 1261[11:30:57] <kbob> hello, when I try to startx in tty1 I get: Only console users are allowed to run the X server. How I can login tty2 or tty6?
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• 1266[11:32:33] <Iridos> tty1 should qualify as "console user"
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• 1272[11:34:31] <kbob> Iridos: yes, usually.
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• 1276[11:37:32] <blingrang_> Hi, I need help. I was trying to remove a program like so "apt-get purge <program>*". Notice the asterik. I didn't realize it but the regex matched a hold load of other programs as well.
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• 1279[11:38:42] <vlt> Hello. `dhclient -n eth1` prints its "Usage" help (not listing an "-n" option ) and exits, while `man dhclient` explicitly shows "-n Do not configure any interfaces". This is on Debian 8. Any idea what I'm doing wrong here?
• 1280[11:39:02] <blingrang_> It removed about 10 to 15 programs before I realized it and stopped it.
• 1281[11:39:09] <blingrang_> How do I reverse this?
• 1282[11:39:39] <vlt> blingrang_: apt-get install <all the programs you don't want to be uninstalled listed here>
• 1283[11:39:58] <colo-work> blingrang_, the configs are probably lost, but look in /var/log/apt/history* for the list of removed packages
• 1284[11:40:15] <at0m> blingrang_: /var/log/apt/*.log will have history ^
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• 1293[11:43:58] <blingrang_> vlt, colo-work at0m this is the shell output during the catastrophe. replaced-url
• 1294[11:44:31] <colo-work> hehe
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• 1296[11:44:43] <colo-work> none of the packages removed in that paste are vital afaik
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• 1298[11:44:56] <colo-work> reinstalling them should repair your setup
• 1299[11:44:59] <at0m> blingrang_: then don't reboot. and an "apt -f install" tries to "fix" current changes. that, or either manually review changes in aptitude
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• 1302[11:45:30] <at0m> either way, carefully review the changes apt/aptitude proposes
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• 1305[11:45:53] <blingrang_> colo-work, thanks for the reassurance
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• 1307[11:46:15] <blingrang_> yeah I'll install them again.
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• 1309[11:46:38] <Iridos> makes you wonder what regexp matches those 784 package names… they don't start with the same letter, nor end with it
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• 1311[11:46:48] <at0m> lib* mwahah
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• 1313[11:47:15] <Iridos> anyway, this is ubuntu… ask #ubuntu for ubuntu questions
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• 1316[11:49:45] <blingrang_> at0m, Iridos it was "tor*"
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• 1324[11:54:34] <blingrang_> How abiword* even matches tor* though is beyond me.
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• 1333[11:59:22] <at0m> blingrang_: ediTOR ?
• 1334[12:00:01] <at0m> anyhow, review *any* changes apt wants to make.
• 1335[12:00:10] <blingrang_> lesson learned.
• 1336[12:00:30] <at0m> we all have one way or another =)
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• 1369[12:14:41] <Rembo> hello, i'm getting this error when i try to start apache : replaced-url
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• 1375[12:19:13] <donut_> Rembo: forgot to include modules needed by phpmyadmin?
• 1376[12:19:25] <donut_> or you have a typo and a variable is set as command
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• 1381[12:22:57] <Rembo> donut_ : replaced-url
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• 1383[12:23:37] <k_sze[work]> Erm...
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• 1385[12:23:54] <k_sze[work]> apt-get install sendmail automatically uninstalls postfix
• 1386[12:23:59] <k_sze[work]> how is that a good idea?
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• 1388[12:24:19] <themill> you can only have 1 MTA installed
• 1389[12:24:35] <k_sze[work]> yes, but I expect apt-get to tell me there's a conflict.
• 1390[12:24:41] <themill> well it does
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• 1394[12:27:41] <k_sze[work]> I mean I expect it to tell me there's a conflict AND THEN abort installing sendmail.
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• 1396[12:28:22] <at0m> k_sze[work]: apt doesn't ask for confirmation?
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• 1398[12:28:27] <k_sze[work]> at0m: it didn't.
• 1399[12:28:35] <at0m> like, before it proceeds w the install? hmm
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• 1405[12:29:54] <at0m> it does here. can you cat /etc/debian_version ?
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• 1409[12:30:38] <themill> I bet it did ask for confirmation
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• 1411[12:31:10] <at0m> ^
• 1412[12:31:13] <themill> (unless you'd --force-yes or something, in which case, you get what is coming to you)
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• 1414[12:31:47] <b4d> Any idea why /etc/debian_version was not updated on my sistem from 9.1 to 9.2 after apt-get dist-upgrade?
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• 1416[12:32:02] <themill> b4d: because it wasn't bumped (by mistake)
• 1417[12:32:14] <b4d> themill: thanks :)
• 1418[12:32:33] <masterkorp> somiaj | masterkorp: What graphics card? I think fglrx is discontinued and amdgpupro only supports newer cards
• 1419[12:32:45] <masterkorp> well, how do i install that then?
• 1420[12:32:47] <themill> it is bumped in stretch-updates
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• 1422[12:33:34] <donut_> Rembo: yes but do you have "Include /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf" in your /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ?
• 1423[12:34:27] <donut_> as per phpmyadmin installation documentation
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• 1430[12:37:47] <Rembo> donut_ , yes it is the last line added
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• 1433[12:39:01] <k_sze[work]> Looks like it did warn, but the message got drowned.
• 1434[12:39:08] <k_sze[work]> which still doesn't help.
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• 1450[12:48:19] <anexit_> tw: figure it out, basically you have to use tunnel mode to esp entire networks. Transport is only to transport between two devices. According to tcp/ip from no starch press you want tunnel mode as it's less overhead cause you can do entire netblocks. So in the end you want your ipsec-tools.conf racoon.conf files to point to the gif/gre/tun ips and then you basically "allow" what needs access to those
• 1451[12:48:25] <anexit_> through spdadd in tunnel mode
• 1452[12:48:51] <Rembo> any suggestions?
• 1453[12:49:01] <anexit_> setting isakmpd to the tunnels will pretty much force traffic down them.
• 1454[12:49:28] <donut_> Rembo: well you are definitely missing some parts of phpmyadmin
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• 1457[12:49:40] <anexit_> OR you can setup tunnel mode to the public ip addresses which you don't need gif/tun/gre as ipsec has its own tunnel protocol.
• 1458[12:49:42] <donut_> or they are in the wrong place
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• 1469[12:55:29] <masterkorp> Guys i am trying to install AMD drivers replaced-url
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• 1520[13:25:59] <masterkorp> any ideas?
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• 1553[13:55:11] <juslintek> Hi, how to resolve ip to ISP?
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• 1555[13:56:01] <gpunk> what do you mean ?
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• 1561[13:58:44] <la-o-wai> use whois
• 1562[13:59:00] <la-o-wai> !whois
• 1563[13:59:00] <dpkg> i heard whois is for domainnames, or for IRC
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• 1565[13:59:27] <gpunk> it works on IPs too
• 1566[13:59:42] <juslintek> Okay, I want to get geolocation with as little as possible of margin of accuracy radius.
• 1567[13:59:53] <juslintek> I want to get geolocation of the ip.
• 1568[14:00:04] <la-o-wai> why you need that
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• 1571[14:00:29] <jelly> juslintek: you'll want to pay a geoip provider for any decent accuracy
• 1572[14:00:29] <juslintek> la-o-wai, I'm creating a tool, to do that. Would be useful. :-)
• 1573[14:00:33] <gpunk> all you'll have is the phisical address of the ISP
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• 1575[14:00:57] <la-o-wai> i think the best way to know ones geo is to get him share it on whatsapp
• 1576[14:01:17] <juslintek> Jelly, madmind2 is very inaccurate, lite is 200 km accuracy radius, while paid one is 50 of most of my tool users.
• 1577[14:01:25] <han-solo> IPs are not very reliable for geolocation tracing, no?
• 1578[14:01:38] <han-solo> even with the triangulation?
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• 1581[14:02:08] <juslintek> han-solo, I need as accurate as possible method which is available today. I really want this to work. :-)
• 1582[14:02:13] <juslintek> Otherwise its useless.
• 1583[14:02:46] <jelly> juslintek: in any case, I don't think you'll find the answer within the confines of Debian distro
• 1584[14:03:03] <juslintek> Jelly, can you please recommend where to look for it?
• 1585[14:03:12] <la-o-wai> networking
• 1586[14:03:26] <juslintek> Jelly, I'm building chrome extension. And I want people to know where website owners are located.
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• 1588[14:03:50] <juslintek> I mean website servers.
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• 1591[14:04:09] <la-o-wai> you build a website
• 1592[14:04:13] <la-o-wai> make him visit
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• 1594[14:05:08] <tommaso> justlintek: make XHR requests from the web extension to some site that supports web whois queries
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• 1599[14:05:48] <jelly> juslintek: I'd ask in ##programming or #web
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• 1601[14:06:16] <la-o-wai> juslintek: i dont think you can make it work
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• 1605[14:07:20] <jelly> I don't think this is a question for #debian
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• 1608[14:08:49] <la-o-wai> juslintek: you need to ask people who work in isp
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• 1615[14:10:13] <la-o-wai> juslintek: you can build something that let them visit on mobile, possibly collect the gps info
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• 1622[14:11:22] <jelly> la-o-wai: there are people in here who already work at an ISP. Still it does not make the issue more related to Debian. And juslintek is not looking for location of clients, he's looking for location of web servers.
• 1623[14:11:36] <la-o-wai> ok
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• 1630[14:13:52] <ntz> hello
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• 1636[14:14:32] <ntz> I have meta-Q:, can somebody having a laptop with mobile nvidia 1050 share with me if it works with nouveau ? I'm just asking before buying
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• 1641[14:15:40] <eoli4n> Hi
• 1642[14:16:01] <la-o-wai> hi
• 1643[14:16:02] <eoli4n> i can't apt-get update because of an apt-key error in a chrooted debootstrap debian 9
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• 1645[14:16:05] <eoli4n> replaced-url
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• 1650[14:17:22] <themill> eoli4n: that's pretty broken perms for /tmp
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• 1653[14:17:59] <eoli4n> chmod 777 /tmp did the trick
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• 1655[14:18:23] <jelly> eoli4n: you want 1777
• 1656[14:18:56] <eoli4n> i already had 1
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• 1661[14:19:29] <jelly> eoli4n: and you don't want to lose it
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• 1667[14:20:18] <la-o-wai> root can open other users /home?
• 1668[14:20:22] <jelly> (I'm not sure whether 1000 bit is kept after a chmod 777 /tmp like eg. 2000 setgid bit, if it is, great)
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• 1672[14:21:14] <jelly> la-o-wai: yes
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• 1674[14:21:30] <eoli4n> it keep the 1 with chmod 777
• 1675[14:21:36] <jelly> gotcha
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• 1681[14:23:23] <themill> it shouldn't
• 1682[14:23:55] <themill> From the fine manual (and in agreement with a quick test): «Omitted digits are assumed to be leading zeros.»
• 1683[14:24:07] <Guest25072> hello
• 1684[14:24:19] <eoli4n> try by yourself themill, maybe it's a bug
• 1685[14:24:20] <Guest25072> is this the right room to ask about debian?
• 1686[14:24:22] <eoli4n> but it worked for me
• 1687[14:24:25] <jelly> hey, if they say it's drwxrwxrwt 2 root root now, I trust them :-)
• 1688[14:24:26] <themill> I did try it
• 1689[14:25:06] <eoli4n> hm
• 1690[14:25:16] <eoli4n> on archlinux it doesnt keep it
• 1691[14:25:25] <jelly> eoli4n: lack of sticky bit will make anyone able to delete anyone's file in /tmp (and put their own in the same place instead)
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• 1693[14:26:50] <eoli4n> that's strange, i reproduce the exact same thing on another dir, the 1 is not kept
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• 1715[14:40:34] <flizzy> I did try to install Debian on my laptop yesterday night. However I did run into a problem! I want to install it in English, my Location is Germany - because these two don't have a preset Keyboard layout (I think thats what it was called) I had to pick one from a list - however it did only offer me English layouts which obviously my laptop's keyboard isn't.
• 1716[14:41:29] <la-o-wai> well
• 1717[14:41:40] <la-o-wai> what layout german use
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• 1728[14:45:22] <flizzy> Give me a second, I don't think it was called just layout
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• 1734[14:46:09] <petn-randall> flizzy: Which installer and release are you using? IIRC there's a way to set the language and keyboard layout separately, I have such a setup.
• 1735[14:46:12] <armin> hi. i want a 2nd X server to be running all the time, also with a 2nd additional login manager or eventually a full blown 2nd additional session. any hint where to configure this or what to look for?
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• 1738[14:46:43] <petn-randall> armin: It's possible, but there are some caveats. What do you want to achieve with it?
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• 1740[14:47:03] <flizzy> The most recent lxde release, graphical installer
• 1741[14:47:05] <armin> petn-randall: i want to be able to run different X sessions at the same time, obviously.
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• 1743[14:47:13] <flizzy> From an usb stick
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• 1746[14:47:46] <ntz> la-o-wai: can you retard tell me why do you ctcp me ?
• 1747[14:47:49] <armin> petn-randall: eventually as the same user, eventually not.
• 1748[14:48:06] <la-o-wai> ntz: no?
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• 1750[14:48:12] <armin> petn-randall: i basically just want what i have on ctrl-alt-f7 on ctrl-alt-f8, too.
• 1751[14:48:26] <armin> petn-randall: seperately lock-able, seperately log-in'nable, etc.
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• 1753[14:48:45] <ntz> la-o-wai: so stop doing that you fucker and I suggest you to NOT do it to anybody else you bitch
• 1754[14:49:02] <nku> classy
• 1755[14:49:26] <la-o-wai> ntz: shut up already, its a big channel, things happened
• 1756[14:49:59] <babilen> ntz: Please keep it civil in here
• 1757[14:50:08] <babilen> la-o-wai: You too
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• 1761[14:51:09] <ntz> la-o-wai: it's important for other to know as well
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• 1763[14:51:22] <armin> petn-randall: any further information you could provide?
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• 1766[14:51:44] <flizzy> Or maybe I just install it in German - and then switch languages after the installation?
• 1767[14:51:50] <petn-randall> armin: Wouldn't it be easier to use workspaces with the same X server?
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• 1772[14:53:44] <armin> petn-randall: oh come on...
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• 1783[14:56:43] <rosarossa> !list
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• 1793[14:58:54] <hexnewbie> gpg: signing failed: No pinentry ← what could possibly be causing this? Removed pinentry-curses and installed pinentry-tty in hopes I would be able to add packages to my Debian repos, but nope
• 1794[14:59:27] <hexnewbie> How to force gpg to stop using the pinentry nonsense? Since the upgrade to stretch all my reprepro scripts are broken
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• 1799[15:01:35] <hexnewbie> In particular, how to add my package if my terminal is "not a terminal"?
• 1800[15:02:29] <hexnewbie> Apparently, the kernel now defaults to newinstance for devpts, so my /dev/pts device no longer exists.
• 1801[15:02:38] <themill> what are these reprepro scripts?
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• 1804[15:02:52] <themill> (it's awfully hard to debug things you can't see)
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• 1806[15:03:21] <hexnewbie> I don't think it matters, I'm testing with gpg --sign
• 1807[15:03:23] <jelly> full commands and their complete outputs would be nice, hexnewbie
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• 1810[15:03:42] <hexnewbie> Full command: echo 'x' | gpg --sign
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• 1812[15:03:49] <hexnewbie> Full output: gpg: signing failed: No pinentry
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• 1814[15:04:06] <jelly> hexnewbie: and where are you invoking that from, a normal interactive shell?
• 1815[15:04:07] <themill> that works just fine for me
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• 1819[15:04:54] <hexnewbie> jelly: I'm chrooting into a Stretch chroot, starting gpg-start --daemon bash, then running it.
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• 1823[15:05:48] <jelly> hexnewbie: and what's outside the chroot, and which user are you using?
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• 1825[15:05:55] <jelly> inside?
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• 1829[15:06:21] <hexnewbie> jelly: root. The issue is that after the upgrade to kernel 4.8 (added with stretch) of the outer OS as well, /dev/pts inside the chroot changed. I assume the issue is that we now default to newinstance for devpts mounts.
• 1830[15:07:21] <themill> You wouldn't have a sensible /dev at all inside the chroot
• 1831[15:07:28] <petn-randall> armin: If it's the same user, I'd use workspaces. For separate users, most DMs support multiple user sessions and will spawn new X servers for every separate user.
• 1832[15:07:51] <petn-randall> armin: lightdm/gdm/kdm support the latter AFAIK.
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• 1834[15:07:59] <hexnewbie> themill: It's a bind mount to the external one in this case, but I don't need /dev, just /dev/pts - which is separate
• 1835[15:08:12] <jelly> hexnewbie: do you have a /dev/ptmx inside the chroot and /dev/pts?
• 1836[15:08:28] <hexnewbie> I'm trying to bruteforce possible options for -t devpts, and seems that nonewinstance is not a valid one
• 1837[15:08:32] <themill> hexnewbie: you keep dribbling more details. You have no idea how annoying this is
• 1838[15:08:36] <jelly> hexnewbie: do you know how UNIX98 ttys work?
• 1839[15:08:42] <hexnewbie> jelly: Yes
• 1840[15:09:02] <hexnewbie> themill: What details have I left out?
• 1841[15:09:14] <jelly> hexnewbie: is there a /dev/ptmx inside chroot?
• 1842[15:09:18] <themill> HFSIK?
• 1843[15:09:26] <hexnewbie> The /dev/pts inside the chroot is different from the one outside the chroot after the upgrade to kernel 4.8
• 1844[15:09:40] * jelly waits for the answer
• 1845[15:09:42] <armin> petn-randall: well if that wasn't obvious, i don't want a workaround, i want a solution to the actual problem here.
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• 1847[15:10:12] <hexnewbie> jelly: Yes. There is. /dev inside the chroot is the same as the one on the outside (it's a bind mount, as mentioned). The terminal has been opened outside the chroot, so nothing inside the chroot opens /dev/ptmx
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• 1849[15:10:26] <themill> We've gone from gpg is broken to reprepro is broken to gpg in a chroot is broken to gpg in a chroot with some arbitrary bind mounts.
• 1850[15:10:28] <armin> petn-randall: to ease our view on the problem, let's assume i want lightdm on tty7 and xdm on tty8.
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• 1855[15:12:28] <phre4k> how do I configure my debian server to get a stateless global IPv6? I've tried wide-dhcpv6-client, but it just won't work
• 1856[15:12:43] <phre4k> dhclient -6 doesn't work either
• 1857[15:12:51] <hexnewbie> Replacing 'mount -t devpts devpts-chr /chroot/dev/pts' with 'mount -o bind,private /dev/pts /chroot/dev/pts' fixes the issue. Does that mean that with kernel 4.8 and stretch, I have to use a bind mount instead of directly mounting devpts? There's no option (or way) to restore the behaviour without (e.g. mount devpts without -o newinstance)
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• 1859[15:12:58] <phre4k> what's the "default" way of doing this?
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• 1861[15:14:33] <jelly> hexnewbie: if you want ttys inside the chroot to work, you can 1) either make bind-mounted ptmx and devpts work, or 2) make the second instance of ptmx and devpts available only inside the chroot work
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• 1863[15:15:15] <hexnewbie> jelly: Yeah, I'm using the first option, however, /dev was a bind mount, and /dev/pts wasn't - which worked with jessie and kernel 3.16.
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• 1866[15:15:36] <jelly> hexnewbie: and it _looks like_ you want them to work because you said > <hexnewbie> In particular, how to add my package if my terminal is "not a terminal"?
• 1867[15:16:35] <hexnewbie> jelly: Well, I didn't wanted to quick and dirty add the package (since it's a critical security update -when will Debian start delivering those), without having to kill the 80 open terminals that are using the existing /dev/pts.
• 1868[15:16:46] <hexnewbie> s/didn't//
• 1869[15:16:49] <jelly> hexnewbie: if the kernel now makes a second devpts inside chroot by default, then presumably you need to use a second ptmx control device
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• 1871[15:17:32] <jelly> hexnewbie: and that, in turn, means you'll want to make changes to /dev inside that chroot and make it separate from /dev outside
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• 1875[15:18:34] <ForceRecon> in all honesty.. what is the point of doing all that stuff.. seems like a real pain to configure and if anything were to happen to you who else would know how to fix it? Is this really normal for setting up a server? I am truly curious as I don't know
• 1876[15:18:46] <hexnewbie> jelly: Yeah, will make sure I use the same type of mount (bind one) for /dev and /dev/pts here. But in my case /dev/ptmx inside is rarely used (I don't open screen or tmux inside the chroot, in fact those are not installed, nor anything else that creates ptys)
• 1877[15:18:47] <jelly> hexnewbie: I have no idea how this separate devpts works now, but seeing it contains a /dev/pts/ptmx of its own, maybe you want to symlink /dev/ptmx -> pts/ptmx inside the chroot so old userspace can use the standard location
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• 1879[15:19:16] <jelly> hexnewbie: I'm GUESSING WILDLY that pinentry-tty might, you know, try to use a tty
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• 1882[15:21:54] <hexnewbie> jelly: I killed the processes inside and remounted with a bind mount. I was able to add the packages. Thanks for the hints.
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• 1886[15:23:24] <jelly> hexnewbie: next time perhaps explain in advance what your environment looks like, to avoid frustration on helper volunteer's side
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• 1889[15:23:51] <hexnewbie> As for pinentry-tty, once I installed it the error message changed to ‘Inappropriate ioctl for device’ to ‘No pinetry’, which suggested to me a different source of the problem, though
• 1890[15:24:04] <armin> interesting, when just creating a new additional lightdm config file and specifying minimum-vt=8 in there, i just get a black screen on all connected monitor outputs on tty8...
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• 1892[15:25:46] <hexnewbie> jelly: Yeah, sorry. I was also realising the details as I was asking. It didn't even occur to me that the chroot mattered until I installed screen inside and notice it failed too.
• 1893[15:26:38] <hexnewbie> Or rather, a moment before I installed screen to test if the chroot was at play.
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• 1948[15:53:46] <tiredofflatmates> i have tried limiting the speed of my wlan0 nich with the ethtool, but it gives me a cannot get current device settings: operation not supported. Can you guys recommend a way where i could limit a nicks speed to lets say 2Mbps ?
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• 1958[15:57:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> tiredofflatmates, do you want to set the transmission rate or simply do traffic shaping?
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• 1961[15:59:38] <tiredofflatmates> uhmm, traffic shaping could also be a option, u just want to make sure that the interface will only allow 2Mbps in or out :)
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• 1965[16:01:49] <phre4k> tiredofflatmates: why would you do traffic shaping on a client?
• 1966[16:02:03] <phre4k> shouldn't you do it on a router?
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• 1968[16:02:51] <tiredofflatmates> its a old laptop acting as a router, basically :)
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• 1971[16:04:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> Some firewall packages can do it, otherwise you can set it up yourself but it's rather involved.
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• 1974[16:05:02] <Eduard_Munteanu> replaced-url
• 1975[16:05:02] <ForceRecon> invest in open mesh.. then you can specify exactly how much bandwidth each USER can get
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• 1978[16:06:42] <hellyeah> isnt it weird? replaced-url
• 1979[16:07:09] <phre4k> tiredofflatmates: if you have a bit of money to spare, get an Ubiquiti EdgeRouter ER-X (60€) and a Ubiquiti AP AC Pro (140€)
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• 1981[16:07:34] <phre4k> tiredofflatmates: they have wonderful traffic shaping capabilities
• 1982[16:07:40] <nix64bit> what about mikrotik router?
• 1983[16:07:40] <themill> hellyeah: no?
• 1984[16:07:54] <phre4k> nix64bit: Mikrotik routers can probably do it, too
• 1985[16:08:28] <tiredofflatmates> phre4k: we are not allowed, its a sorta "deal with it" situation .. so im dealing with it ;)
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• 1987[16:09:19] <hellyeah> i suppose updaate-alternatives show the part of java right
• 1988[16:09:43] <phre4k> tiredofflatmates: who's "we" and you're not allowed to do what?
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• 1991[16:10:19] <themill> hellyeah: replaced-url
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• 2002[16:14:36] <tw> speaking of java, is there a package for openj9?
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• 2004[16:14:45] <tw> Doesn't look it.
• 2005[16:15:20] <themill> ,v openjdk-9-jdk
• 2006[16:15:21] <judd> Package: openjdk-9-jdk on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 9~b181-4~bpo9+1; buster: 9~b181-4; sid: 9~b181-4
• 2007[16:15:24] <themill> (yes)
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• 2014[16:17:26] <AlexPortable> Is it possible to get memory information and only return 500MB/3GB ?
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• 2017[16:18:11] <petn-randall> !context
• 2018[16:18:11] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on replaced-url
• 2019[16:18:17] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: ^^^
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• 2021[16:18:49] <hellyeah> my os knows javac
• 2022[16:18:58] <hellyeah> but there is nothing in update-alternatives
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• 2025[16:19:03] <hellyeah> thats interesting
• 2026[16:19:16] <AlexPortable> petn-randall: how is there context required?
• 2027[16:19:33] <tw> themill: openj9 replaced-url
• 2028[16:19:44] <tw> not quite the same thing.
• 2029[16:19:50] <AlexPortable> I want to run a command and get 500MB/3GB (500 mb used of 3 gb in total), and not get a whole huge list with total used free shared buffers cached
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• 2036[16:21:26] <themill> tw: ah, no nothing for that
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• 2040[16:22:13] <Tenkawa> AlexPortable: you could pipe it into an awk parse
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• 2042[16:22:53] <Tenkawa> although theres many other ways to do it
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• 2044[16:23:05] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: How about telling us what program you're running? And what you get, and what you want instead.
• 2045[16:23:07] <Tenkawa> thats just the one I know the best
• 2046[16:23:31] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: For now, due to lack of context, my answer is "echo 500MB/3GB".
• 2047[16:25:23] <AlexPortable> thanks petn-randall
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• 2053[16:27:43] <tw> I tried free -h | awk '/^Mem:/{print $3 "/" $2}', but it doesn't give the same result as you wanted =(
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• 2056[16:27:56] <phre4k> AlexPortable: free -m | awk '/Mem/ {print $4 " MB used / "$2 " MB total"}'
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• 2061[16:28:50] <phre4k> tw: ^
• 2062[16:28:59] <sphalerite> Hi folks. I want to use debian CDs (non-netinst), but I can't seem to find an index of the CDs and which software each one contains. Can anyone point me to one?
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• 2064[16:29:19] <petn-randall> !cd contents
• 2065[16:29:19] <dpkg> To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at replaced-url
• 2066[16:29:20] <tw> phre4k: that's free and not used though =p
• 2067[16:29:26] <phre4k> tw: lol, you're right
• 2068[16:29:29] <petn-randall> sphalerite: see factoid above
• 2069[16:29:43] <sphalerite> petn-randall: perfect, thanks
• 2070[16:29:51] <petn-randall> sphalerite: you're welcome :)
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• 2073[16:31:25] <phre4k> tw: just use $3 instead of $4 and it's correct; but isn't that the same thing you did?
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• 2078[16:33:57] <tw> yes, but mine printed 750M/16G and not 500M/3G
• 2079[16:34:06] <tw> so it failed testing =(
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• 2082[16:34:40] <AlexPortable> thanks phre4k
• 2083[16:34:42] <phre4k> tw: lololol :D
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• 2096[16:39:05] <graps> Hi. Is there anyone here that can help track down a cgi-bin issue ?
• 2097[16:39:39] <petn-randall> graps: If it's on a Debian system, ask ahead.
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• 2100[16:40:56] <graps> Okay. I keep getting 403 forbidden on my Debian Wheezy setup. I've been working on 000-default and it still shows ExecCGI is off for my cgi-bin directory
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• 2108[16:46:30] <bezaban> graps: apache2? is the cgi module enabled? what do the logs say?
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• 2111[16:47:47] <bezaban> and the directory block has a Options +ExecCGI
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• 2117[16:48:46] <graps> bezaban: Yes, apache2. I think the CGI module is enabled, I see cgid.conf. The /var/log/apache2/error.log mentions Options ExecCGI is off in this
• 2118[16:48:54] <graps> directory: /var/replaced-url
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• 2123[16:50:09] <bezaban> that's probably the module logging that, but you can try apache2ctl -M to verify. Directory block needs the abovementioned Options line
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• 2126[16:50:29] <graps> bezaban: I can paste the 000-default file in a pastebin. Which pastebin do you want me to use ?
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• 2128[16:51:25] <bezaban> graps: any one really, use paste.debian.net. I mostly run nginx and do no cgi, but can have a quick look, maybe someone else sees something too :)
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• 2131[16:53:16] <graps> bezaban: replaced-url
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• 2136[16:55:58] <bezaban> graps: well yes.. that does look right. You restarted apache right?
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• 2138[16:56:31] <graps> bezaban: Yes, with a service apache2 reload
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• 2156[17:02:23] <bezaban> graps: Options FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI that line might need some +/-?
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• 2159[17:03:15] <bezaban> Or just remove it, not sure how settings propagate down directoriews
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• 2164[17:04:02] <graps> bezaban: In the Directory /var/replaced-url
• 2165[17:04:07] <bezaban> graps: yeah
• 2166[17:04:39] <bezaban> girlfriend home, gotta head to shop. Good luck. Unusually quiet here now
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• 2171[17:06:14] <graps> bezaban: Okay, thanks. I'll try to work with the script a few minutes more
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• 2178[17:07:34] <Ragnar> While trying to install Debian from USB I get told that the disk drive is not working / not found. The installation then tells me it cannot proceed. Laptop is a t400.
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• 2182[17:07:51] <Ragnar> What can I do about this?
• 2183[17:08:03] <petn-randall> Ragnar: Did you use unetbooting or something similar to prepare the USB stick?
• 2184[17:08:15] <petn-randall> s/unetbooting/unetbootin/
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• 2187[17:09:02] <phre4k> can somebody PLEASE help me with my IPv6 SLAAC client?
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• 2189[17:09:20] <phre4k> I see the router advertisements in wireshark but my clients don't assign themselves an IP
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• 2191[17:09:56] <phre4k> I've tried dhclient -6 and wide-dhpcv6-client to no avail
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• 2205[17:15:25] <petn-randall> Ragnar: You PMed me that you used lili. That will be your problem.
• 2206[17:15:51] <Ragnar> @petn-randall then I'll check out unetbootin
• 2207[17:16:10] <petn-randall> Ragnar: Check the release notes how to prepare USB images. On Linux a simple 'cp debian.img /dev/sdx' is enough, for windows use win32diskimager.
• 2208[17:16:35] <petn-randall> Ragnar: DON'T use unetbootin, it also breaks the installer.
• 2209[17:16:53] <Ragnar> OK, thanks
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• 2223[17:21:09] <Delf> On Buster now, touchpad doesn't work here either.
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• 2228[17:23:00] <hellyeah> is it possible to install xcodebuild on debian
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• 2234[17:25:55] <babilen> hellyeah: Isn't that an Apple thing?
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• 2237[17:28:55] <sphalerite> are there any mirrors that still host packages for ancient versions like lenny?
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• 2243[17:30:16] <Megaf> Hi all
• 2244[17:30:35] <Megaf> for some weird reason QEMU is not booting from Debian ISOs
• 2245[17:30:50] <Megaf> as if they are not bootable
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• 2247[17:31:10] <babilen> sphalerite: replaced-url
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• 2252[17:31:24] <sphalerite> babilen: thanks!
• 2253[17:31:35] <babilen> But please don't put more lenny boxes out there! ;)
• 2254[17:32:15] <hellyeah> babilen: yeah it is apple there is something called ionic and clam you can improve ios application
• 2255[17:32:18] <sphalerite> babilen: just a virtual machine to try some stuff out
• 2256[17:32:32] <hellyeah> ionic has linux version and didnt state you cannot develop ios app. in linux
• 2257[17:32:33] <babilen> sphalerite: Fair enough :)
• 2258[17:32:47] <Megaf> Ok, ISO is fine, VBox can boot
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• 2260[17:32:52] <Megaf> but qemucant
• 2261[17:32:55] <Megaf> hm
• 2262[17:33:15] <babilen> hellyeah: You'd install xcodebuild on Debian in the same way you install it on any other Linux, but my impression is that it is very much an OSX tool
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• 2264[17:33:28] <babilen> Maybe Apple will give you the source if you ask nicely for it
• 2265[17:33:50] <hellyeah> there is no xcodebuild package on debian
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• 2267[17:34:04] <babilen> hellyeah: Is there sourcecode for it?
• 2268[17:34:05] <hellyeah> yeah
• 2269[17:34:17] <hellyeah> not sure about that
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• 2276[17:35:16] <Mmike> Hello, lads! Do you know how to make debsign NOT to open window for entering passphrase?
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• 2278[17:35:21] <Mmike> when debuild invokes it?
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• 2282[17:35:49] <sphalerite> hellyeah: replaced-url
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• 2290[17:38:26] <hellyeah> obviously there is no way
• 2291[17:38:36] <Delf> Is there any way to install a "new" and fresh old-stable?
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• 2297[17:40:49] <petn-randall> Mmike: --no-sign, this is passed to dpkg-buildpackage and documented in its man page.
• 2298[17:40:56] <hexhaxtron> How can I change my IP to 192.168.1.102?
• 2299[17:41:36] <Megaf> Delf, sure
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• 2302[17:41:49] <Megaf> I have a brand new Jessie install on this very laptop
• 2303[17:41:53] <Megaf> no worries
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• 2305[17:42:06] <Mmike> petn-randall, is there an env var I can use to set this up? I've set DEBSIGN_PROGRAM="gpg --no-use-agent", but I still get asked for a passphrase via gtk/x11/whatnot window
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• 2307[17:43:08] <petn-randall> Mmike: Wait, do you want to *not* sign your package, or just have the prompt in the terminal instead of an X11 program?
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• 2309[17:43:51] <Mmike> petn-randall, the latter, prompt in terminal
• 2310[17:45:07] <petn-randall> Mmike: I see. You could try the answers on this page: replaced-url
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• 2312[17:46:02] <Mmike> petn-randall, thxn, let me see
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• 2315[17:47:10] <Delf> Megaf: Can't find the iso
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• 2323[17:48:25] <Megaf> Delf, what version you'd like?
• 2324[17:48:33] <Megaf> answer quick
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• 2326[17:48:56] <Delf> Jessie!
• 2327[17:48:56] <Megaf> too late
• 2328[17:49:01] <Megaf> Delf, replaced-url
• 2329[17:49:03] <Delf> Damn it…
• 2330[17:49:07] <Megaf> help yourself now
• 2331[17:49:11] <Delf> Yay! :D
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• 2340[17:55:36] <hellyeah> can i say update-alternatives are using for setting environment variable
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• 2343[17:56:58] <hexhaxtron> I need help getting a Internet connection. I did ifconfig enp0s31f6 192.168.1.102 and then dhclient and it was working but now I try ping replaced-url
• 2344[17:57:20] <hexhaxtron> ping gives me temporary failure in name resolution
• 2345[17:57:23] <Megaf> Delf, you're welcome
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• 2354[17:58:46] <somiaj> hexhaxtron: what does ping 8.8.8.8 do?
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• 2356[17:59:19] <somiaj> hexhaxtron: though assigning an ipaddress then running dhclient could conflict. Also any reason why you don't just use the debian interfaces file for configuration?
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• 2358[17:59:39] <hexhaxtron> somiaj, nothing happens, it seems stuck.
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• 2360[17:59:54] <hexhaxtron> somiaj, I need the machine to get 192.168.1.102 everytime it boots.
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• 2368[18:01:15] <somiaj> hexhaxtron: then just add this to the interfaces file. You can set static address there. replaced-url
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• 2371[18:01:21] <muse> set up a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces, hexhaxtron
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• 2375[18:01:33] <somiaj> after you add that to your interfaces you can ifup enp0s31f6 to check it works, then it should come up at boot.
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• 2378[18:02:06] <nmschulte> I'm looking for help obtaining a DHCP lease on an IPv6 network. Public WiFi (unencrypted) at a shop. I use CLI to connect and obtain a lease (no networkmanager, no wicd). I can connect to the AP, but dhclient -6 never settles
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• 2382[18:02:38] <nmschulte> I've never used IPv6 before, so I assume I'm missing something.
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• 2384[18:03:02] <hexhaxtron> somiaj, is this okay? replaced-url
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• 2386[18:03:25] <nmschulte> wlp2s0 iface has local address, but upon connect I also see another IPv6 addr for wlp2s0. Maybe I just need to fix routing?
• 2387[18:03:41] <somiaj> hexhaxtron: that should be, Im' unsure if you have to indent line 12 or not. I always do.
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• 2389[18:04:02] <somiaj> hexhaxtron: you can set other things if needed, but that should be sufficent, it should efault the gateway, netmask, broadcast, etc.
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• 2399[18:07:46] <Delf> Touchpad doesn't work with 6.8 either. What that hell. Should I try even older?
• 2400[18:07:50] <hexhaxtron> somiaj, I rebooted and it got the 192.168.1.102 but when I try ping 8.8.8.8 it says network is unreachable
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• 2403[18:08:52] <somiaj> hexhaxtron: look at the output of 'ip a' and 'ip r', also feel free to share it at paste.debian.net for others to look at.
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• 2405[18:09:27] <somiaj> Delf: it might just be something about the touchpad. Newer kernels are usually better in that regard. Do you know any situations in which the touchpad works?
• 2406[18:09:38] <hexhaxtron> I can't pastebin it...
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• 2412[18:10:23] <somiaj> hexhaxtron: well that is what I would look at next.
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• 2420[18:13:19] <nicknight> hello allhow can I add my user to sudoers list?
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• 2422[18:13:49] <petn-randall> nicknight: Add your user to the group "sudo"
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• 2424[18:14:08] <nicknight> petn-randall: visudo command not working
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• 2426[18:14:11] <nicknight> actually
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• 2428[18:14:32] <nicknight> not able to find sudoers file in /etc
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• 2434[18:16:09] <somiaj> nicknight: you may need to install the sudo package. Then as petn-randall said, 'adduser username sudo' to add yourself to the sudo group.
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• 2437[18:17:08] <nicknight> somiaj: installusing apt and please dont mind are you ##math guy ?
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• 2443[18:20:08] <nicknight> I forgot this ,, it show dvd when i try to use apt where should I change it?
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• 2459[18:26:18] <LtL> nicknight: comment out dvd source from /etc/apt/sources.list AND have proper repo lines in it, then save, 'apt update'
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• 2468[18:30:45] <nicknight> LtL: Hit:1 replaced-url
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• 2473[18:31:52] <nicknight> should I add any line? ad comment above also?
• 2474[18:31:56] <LtL> !tell nicknight about sources.list
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• 2476[18:32:22] <LtL> nicknight: read message from dpkg
• 2477[18:32:41] <nicknight> ok thank you
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• 2503[18:42:06] <nicknight> what is the correct package name of sudo
• 2504[18:42:11] <nicknight> ?
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• 2508[18:43:10] <petn-randall> nicknight: It's "sudo".
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• 2510[18:43:29] <petn-randall> (surprisingly)
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• 2512[18:43:41] <nicknight> E: Package 'sudo' has no installation candidate
• 2513[18:43:57] <Fjorgynn> :)
• 2514[18:44:11] <nicknight> I got above error
• 2515[18:44:26] <Fjorgynn> i sudo - Provide limited super user privileges to specific users
• 2516[18:44:30] <towo`> nicknight, paste your sources.list
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• 2522[18:45:54] <nicknight> towo`: replaced-url
• 2523[18:46:16] <towo`> there is missing the normal stretch repo
• 2524[18:46:27] <b0xii> somewhat related...occasionally sudo hangs for 5 sec or so before it allows password. Any ideas on this? 9.2
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• 2530[18:47:08] <petn-randall> !stretch sources.list
• 2531[18:47:08] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 2532[18:47:10] <Delf> somiaj: Good question. It seems that it's not working in michaelsoft wirus either.
• 2533[18:47:23] <petn-randall> nicknight: Compare your sources.list with the one from the factoid above. ^^^
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• 2535[18:47:38] <nicknight> I copied from same
• 2536[18:47:40] <nicknight> I got msg
• 2537[18:47:48] <nicknight> from dpkg
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• 2539[18:47:56] <nicknight> Ok my irc client
• 2540[18:47:59] <nicknight> :(
• 2541[18:48:21] <petn-randall> nicknight: No, you didn't. This why I said you need to compare them.
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• 2543[18:48:39] <nicknight> petn-randall: can Imake dpkg to pase to a paste
• 2544[18:48:58] <LtL> nicknight: seems you omitted 'deb replaced-url
• 2545[18:49:03] <nicknight> I cant see propoerly lines are not in same line
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• 2547[18:49:32] <nicknight> ok LtL
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• 2549[18:50:01] <turlutton> Hey guys, I have an USB drive read-only, It seems I can't use Gparted or fdisk. Fsck says "Magic number invalid in the super bloc when trying to open /dev/sdb" (<-- translation from my language). I don't care about the data, I just want to format it to be able to use it. Oh, and it's supposed to be ntfs (fsck seems to test for ext2 btw).
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• 2551[18:50:39] <turlutton> If it was r/w, I would juste use dd, but it's not.
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• 2557[18:52:18] <petn-randall> nicknight: It's not that hard, everything in quotes goes on a single line.
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• 2559[18:52:36] <nicknight> petn-randall: I figured it out
• 2560[18:52:51] <nicknight> in my client each lines splited to 3 lines
• 2561[18:53:08] <nicknight> so forst I manually compared with existing host file
• 2562[18:53:18] <nicknight> thats how I missed
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• 2566[18:54:29] <turlutton> replaced-url
• 2567[18:54:40] <Delf> This is suggesting that there's some issues with the hardware
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• 2571[18:56:09] <towo`> turlutton, you propably will not have a ntfs filesystem on a device
• 2572[18:56:19] <towo`> turlutton, normaly there are partitions
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• 2574[18:56:52] <turlutton> Oh, yes. Should I try ntfsdsk on /dev/sdb1 then
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• 2576[18:56:54] <hexhaxtron> somiaj, hi! I had connection but I don't have it now... What should I do?
• 2577[18:56:55] <Delf> as in sda1
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• 2586[18:57:33] <Delf> But not sda as that's probably your current os drive :P
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• 2588[18:57:45] <towo`> turlutton, and for usb-sticks, they are in 99% faulty, if they are write protected
• 2589[18:58:17] <turlutton> They can't acces sdb1
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• 2592[18:58:28] <somiaj> hexhaxtron: you will have to see what is different, check routes, 'ip r' and ipaddres info. It could also be your router/network causing the problem and not the debian box.
• 2593[18:58:47] <hexhaxtron> somiaj, I have it now again... but it seems it's coming and going...
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• 2595[18:58:50] <turlutton> Should I try fixing it with windows (ntfs proprietary thing) or just throw that usb to garbage?
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• 2598[18:59:19] <towo`> turlutton, the latter
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• 2600[19:00:34] <turlutton> towo`: that's a shame, thanks for helping guys.
• 2601[19:00:45] <nicknight> It is working thanks all
• 2602[19:01:03] <LtL> nicknight: cheers
• 2603[19:01:07] <somiaj> Delf: either hardware, or there is some switch to turn it on/off.
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• 2605[19:01:18] <somiaj> might be on the machine, might be in the bios/firmware.
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• 2607[19:01:55] <Delf> Would that switch make it not appear in Xorg.0.log too?
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• 2612[19:02:34] <somiaj> Unsure, I have seen hardware you can completly disable in the biso making it not visable to the os.
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• 2615[19:02:51] <somiaj> Delf: but it could just be bad hardware.
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• 2617[19:03:22] <nicknight> LtL: :)
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• 2620[19:04:11] <LtL> nicknight: added note, you can append 'contrib non-free' to each line. no quotes
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• 2622[19:04:18] <Delf> Looked in the bios. Yes, could be bad hardware… or someone re-assembled it not proper. There are some screws missing.
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• 2624[19:04:46] <nicknight> LtL: whatit will do?
• 2625[19:05:25] <Delf> Going to disassemble it soon and see what I can find :)
• 2626[19:05:32] <LtL> nicknight: contributed packages and non DFSG software. = more packages
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• 2631[19:06:28] <nicknight> LtL: okay and debian didn't add them on default leaving it is upto user ? thiat is good
• 2632[19:06:33] <LtL> nicknight: perfectly safe, i've done it for years, unless you have ethical reasons to avoid non-free
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• 2634[19:07:03] <LtL> nicknight: debian doesn't add them, most users do add them.
• 2635[19:07:18] <nicknight> LtL: ok Thanks for the info I am adding them
• 2636[19:07:23] <somiaj> Delf: well hopefully it is just a loose wire.
• 2637[19:07:44] <LtL> nicknight: remember to apt update && apt upgrade
• 2638[19:07:49] <somiaj> nicknight: users who accept any terms of the non-free licenses that come with the software included in them.
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• 2640[19:08:26] <nicknight> LtL: somiaj ok
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• 2647[19:09:17] <hexhaxtron> somiaj, my Internet connection is coming and going...
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• 2649[19:09:59] <someguy130850> Hey there. How large, at minimum, should a EFI partition be for a single OS machine?
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• 2653[19:10:31] <user893457892> found a bug: software-properties-gtk will freeze upon updating sources if you input malformed/invalid source lines to the "other software" tab
• 2654[19:10:42] <someguy130850> I realized on trying ot install Stretch I neglected to make one...
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• 2656[19:10:55] <user893457892> no way to stop it other than to kill software-properties-gtk then fix sources.list thru command line
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• 2659[19:11:29] <somiaj> someguy130850: I'm using 16M on mine. 100M should be more than fine, though you can go smaller if you like it seems.
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• 2661[19:12:00] <someguy130850> brb in s ec, something wrong.
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• 2663[19:12:06] <user893457892> expected behavior: it detects the malformed/invalid source line and refuses to run apt-get update until you fix it
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• 2665[19:12:25] <somiaj> user893457892: have you checked the BTS for such a bug, if not you should report it there.
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• 2670[19:13:13] <user893457892> will do later today :)
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• 2675[19:15:25] <someguy130850> I'm back. Sorry about that. The webclient I was trying to use decided to max-out CPU-use for some reason.
• 2676[19:15:48] <someguy130850> Anyway, how large should I make an EFI partition for Debian to use it?
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• 2678[19:16:26] <somiaj> someguy130850: I'm using 16M on mine. 100M should be more than fine, though you can go smaller if you like it seems.
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• 2681[19:16:56] <someguy130850> somiaj: That little would work? Ah, that's nice.
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• 2684[19:17:42] <somiaj> It just needs to store the boot information for each os you have. So yea not much, but must be fat16 I belive.
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• 2697[19:21:50] <someguy130850> Ah, the installer warned me my arch needs at least 35MB. Sorry for bothering you unnecessarily I guess.
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• 2707[19:24:03] <jelly> someguy130850: windows defaults to making a 100MB one and it usually does not think there will be any other OSes
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• 2710[19:24:40] <someguy130850> jelly: Yeah, I read as much as I wandered around looking to understand what step I'd missed in the install.
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• 2712[19:25:04] <someguy130850> My last install was in BIOS mode because I couldn't be bothered back then.
• 2713[19:25:28] <jelly> right, I honestly have no idea what happens when you install just Debian on an uefi-only system
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• 2715[19:25:51] <someguy130850> It had support for BIOS boot, so it worked fine.
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• 2719[19:26:08] <someguy130850> Well, after I enabled backwards compatibility in the menu.
• 2720[19:26:09] <jelly> that's just fine for linux
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• 2722[19:26:22] <someguy130850> It'd probably nuke any Windows installs.
• 2723[19:26:32] <jelly> dual- or triple- booting is easier with uefi
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• 2727[19:27:00] <someguy130850> I also hear it boots faster?
• 2728[19:27:10] <tw> Debian works fine with uefi only (CSM disabled) if you disable secure boot.
• 2729[19:27:54] <someguy130850> I've been wondering about that. Wouldn't it be possibl
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• 2733[19:28:08] <someguy130850> for a user to trust the debian key manually or some such for SB?
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• 2735[19:30:14] <tw> You mean add another KEK to secure boot, yes, but too complex for most people.
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• 2738[19:30:43] <someguy130850> Ah, that's a shame. Nice to know I wasn't misunderstanding something in that it's feasible though.
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• 2741[19:31:34] <tw> Mmmm, wrong key name, but same problem.
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• 2785[19:47:02] <someguy130850> It boots fine. One of these days I'll fix the Secure Boot side.
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• 2790[19:49:26] <ix> any idea why I'm still running Debian 9.1 even after updating the system?
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• 2799[19:51:31] <someguy130850> Did you dist-upgrade too?
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• 2802[19:52:08] <ix> someguy130850, yes, of course
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• 2804[19:52:27] <RoyK> isn't 9.1 the latest stretch?
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• 2806[19:52:44] <ix> I think 9.2 is the latest
• 2807[19:52:46] <someguy130850> I'm not going to be of any help then. May be your mirrors aren't upt to date yet?
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• 2811[19:53:10] <RoyK> seems I'm wrong, yes
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• 2814[19:53:29] <jelly> ,v base-files --release stretch
• 2815[19:53:30] <judd> Package: base-files on amd64 -- stretch: 9.9+deb9u1
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• 2823[19:54:54] <jelly> someguy130850: if you have that version of base-files, and correct repos, you're probably already on 9.2. Someone just forgot to update the number in /etc/debian_version
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• 2826[19:55:27] <annadane> if it's says 0, 0, 0, 0 for packages it should all be fine
• 2827[19:55:35] <annadane> s/it's/it
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• 2829[19:55:47] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 2830[19:55:47] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2840[19:57:41] <ix> I don't have stretch-updates, I don't think I need them, do I?
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• 2842[19:58:54] <jelly> if you don't know, you probably do
• 2843[19:58:58] <jelly> !stable-updates
• 2844[19:58:58] <dpkg> stretch-updates is probably a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
• 2845[19:58:58] <ix> I only have the stable and security repos enabled, but it should be enough
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• 2848[19:59:33] <annadane> if you give us your sources list to paste.debian.net we can tell you if it's correct or not
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• 2851[20:00:24] <ix> they should be fine: replaced-url
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• 2854[20:01:49] <annadane> you should add deb replaced-url
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• 2856[20:02:25] <annadane> or stable-updates but the thing with stable is you should use stretch instead so you don't get nasty surprises when buster becomes the new stable
• 2857[20:02:41] <jelly> ix: you just get some updates later, and they're functionality fixes not security fixes
• 2858[20:02:47] <jelly> without it
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• 2868[20:04:49] <jelly> but in some cases new functionality can also improve security, like in an antivirus. A newer upstream clamav version usually ends up in stable-updates
• 2869[20:06:04] <jelly> if Debian packaged firefox release branch for stable, it would be a good candidate for stable-updates as well, with its fast release cycle
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• 2872[20:06:24] <ix> adding stretch-updates made no difference, which I expected, someone probably forgot to change the debian_version file
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• 2879[20:08:13] <jelly> ix: replaced-url
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• 2888[20:09:28] <jelly> ix: says it's already in stable-updates, so wait for mirrors to catch up replaced-url
• 2889[20:10:06] <annadane> is 13:47 in UTC time?
• 2890[20:10:18] <annadane> er, 13:17
• 2891[20:10:25] <jelly> annadane: date --utc
• 2892[20:10:37] <jelly> Thu Oct 12 18:10:28 UTC 2017
• 2893[20:10:53] <annadane> i notice it says +1:00
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• 2895[20:11:13] <annadane> jelly, right, but i mean the time on the email on the tracker
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• 2897[20:11:24] <annadane> so i assume that means UTC +1
• 2898[20:11:36] <jelly> yeah, that's rfc822 format
• 2899[20:11:48] <jelly> well, I guess it's rfc5322 now.
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• 2902[20:12:24] <ix> ok, thanks for the info, jelly :-)
• 2903[20:12:25] <jelly> annadane: you can also: date -d 'Sat, 07 Oct 2017 13:17:53 +0100'
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• 2905[20:13:08] <jelly> and even append --utc to that!
• 2906[20:13:45] <annadane> oh, i didn't even notice it was oct 7, i thought it was from today
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• 2908[20:14:08] <annadane> i are gud at reeding
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• 2949[20:27:34] <dmzz> Hi all
• 2950[20:27:50] <dmzz> I try to install fpm
• 2951[20:27:52] <dmzz> php-fpm
• 2952[20:27:55] <dmzz> for php5.6
• 2953[20:28:03] <dmzz> firstable I'd like to configure it
• 2954[20:28:16] <tdn> Does the kernel packages in recent 9.2 update cause dkms modules to fail? I get this error upgrading linux images packages: replaced-url
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• 2957[20:28:49] <tdn> Log contains this: replaced-url
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• 2961[20:29:48] <towo`> tdn, install a recent version of vbox
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• 2964[20:30:14] <tdn> towo`, but it is not included in debian anymore, right?
• 2965[20:30:15] <towo`> 4.3.36 is stone old and EOL
• 2966[20:30:24] <towo`> tdn, it is, in backports
• 2967[20:30:30] <tdn> towo`, this is probably what I got from debian 8
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• 2969[20:30:43] <tdn> Can I get a vbox without binary blobs?
• 2970[20:31:00] <towo`> there is no binary blob in vbox
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• 2972[20:31:08] <towo`> vbox is opensource
• 2973[20:31:31] <tdn> OK
• 2974[20:31:39] <towo`> the only blob is the extention pack, which you have not to installed if you donÄt want it
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• 2976[20:31:43] <tdn> What backports source to add in order to only get vbox?
• 2977[20:31:51] <towo`> !bpo
• 2978[20:31:51] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 2979[20:31:56] <tdn> Thanks
• 2980[20:32:08] <towo`> and you need contrib too#
• 2981[20:32:22] <towo`> you you use the deb direct from oracle
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• 2983[20:32:39] <jim> isn't the following a bug? <judd> Search for bin/make in stretch/amd64: make: usr/bin/make; make-guile: usr/bin/make
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• 2992[20:37:11] <tdn> towo`, I did just that and it says: virtualbox is already the newest version (4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1).
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• 2997[20:39:10] <tdn> Oh. Forgot contrib
• 2998[20:39:12] <towo`> tdn, apt install virtualbox-qt -t stretch-backports
• 2999[20:39:17] <tdn> Wow it needs a lot of packages
• 3000[20:39:36] <tdn> towo`, do I then have to reinstall the kernel-image-amd64 packages?
• 3001[20:39:46] <towo`> tdn, no, why you should?
• 3002[20:39:55] <tdn> towo`, because it failed during install?
• 3003[20:40:12] <towo`> tdn, no it was not failing!+
• 3004[20:40:21] <tdn> Something was :)
• 3005[20:40:23] <towo`> tdn, read such output carefully
• 3006[20:40:36] <towo`> the build of the vbox kernel modules was failing
• 3007[20:40:37] <tdn> The DKMS compilation failed.
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• 3010[20:40:46] <tdn> I have no idea if that leaves the remaining kernel intact
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• 3015[20:41:49] <towo`> tdn, the nev vbox version, needs also new version of virtualbox-kernel-dkms
• 3016[20:42:07] <towo`> and on install time, dkms will build the modules
• 3017[20:42:11] <tdn> OK
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• 3025[20:46:43] <tdn> On another host I got this: replaced-url
• 3026[20:46:58] <tdn> W: initramfs-tools configuration sets RESUME=UUID=261cd883-420f-4aac-9adc-e492d50011ef
• 3027[20:47:01] <tdn> W: but no matching swap device is available.
• 3028[20:47:18] <tdn> When upgrading linux-image-amd64
• 3029[20:47:28] <tdn> What does this mean? Is it safe to reboot?
• 3030[20:47:56] <towo`> remove that resume entrie fron the initrd conf
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• 3034[20:48:11] <jelly> tdn: it means resume from hibernate may not work properly
• 3035[20:48:22] <tdn> No idea why resume is in there. It is a server.
• 3036[20:48:26] <tdn> No need for resume.
• 3037[20:48:41] <jelly> tdn: grep -R RESUME /etc/initramfs-tools
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• 3039[20:49:00] <tdn> jelly, empty
• 3040[20:49:04] <tdn> jelly, no output from grep
• 3041[20:49:12] <jelly> huh
• 3042[20:49:22] <jelly> did you do it as root
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• 3044[20:49:49] <Rembo> hello, i'm getting this error: replaced-url
• 3045[20:50:10] <tdn> jelly, as root, yes
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• 3047[20:50:33] <tdn> SORRY! Wrong host. I am getting tired
• 3048[20:50:37] <tdn> jelly, /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume:RESUME=UUID=261cd883-420f-4aac-9adc-e492d50011ef
• 3049[20:51:06] <tdn> jelly, only line in there. Should I just truncate the file?
• 3050[20:51:43] <jelly> I'd do that, and rebuild any initramfs
• 3051[20:52:17] <tdn> jelly, then update-grub?
• 3052[20:52:23] <tdn> mkinitramfs?
• 3053[20:53:26] <jelly> update-initramfs (needs some other options)
• 3054[20:53:30] <towo`> update-initramfs -u -k all
• 3055[20:53:38] <jelly> right
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• 3058[20:54:04] <tdn> Thanks
• 3059[20:54:07] <tdn> Then reboot?
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• 3061[20:54:22] <jelly> Rembo: verify you don't have any remaining apache processes, or other http server, keeping port *:80 bound
• 3062[20:54:38] <jelly> tdn: if you want to make sure it works, yeah
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• 3066[20:55:47] <jelly> Rembo: use ss or netstat, perhaps like: netstat -tupan| grep LISTEN | grep :80
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• 3069[20:57:01] <tdn> update-initramfs gave this output: replaced-url
• 3070[20:57:25] <jelly> sigh.
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• 3072[20:57:48] <jelly> tdn: and if you remove the file completely?
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• 3074[20:58:03] <tdn> jelly, no, just remove the line in it. So now an empty file.
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• 3076[20:58:10] <tdn> should I rm it instead?
• 3077[20:58:44] <jelly> yes, and see what happens
• 3078[20:59:57] <tdn> jelly, same, I think: replaced-url
• 3079[21:00:13] <tdn> Should I leave the file containing RESUME= ?
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• 3081[21:00:52] <tdn> But why is resume in there in the first place+
• 3082[21:00:53] <tdn> ?
• 3083[21:01:19] <jelly> I guess that would be the next step, an empty value for RESUME=
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• 3086[21:02:08] <jelly> probably because you have a fixed block device for swap and initramfs-tools support using that for resume
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• 3090[21:03:22] <jelly> it don't hurt noone, the resume code in initrd image would not find a hibernation signature and would boot normally every time
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• 3092[21:03:45] <tdn> jelly, replaced-url
• 3093[21:03:52] <jelly> no idea then :-)
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• 3098[21:05:39] <tdn> jelly, should I restore the file altogether containing an actual value for RESUME and then updateinitramfs again?
• 3099[21:05:51] <jelly> tdn: I guess next step is reading the code? /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/resume
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• 3103[21:06:11] <tdn> jelly, I think I am in over my head
• 3104[21:06:13] <jelly> if [ "$RESUME" = none ]; then
• 3105[21:06:13] <jelly> exit 0
• 3106[21:06:13] <jelly> fi
• 3107[21:06:38] <tdn> So I add RESUME=none ?
• 3108[21:06:58] <jelly> as the single line in that file
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• 3110[21:07:02] <tdn> OK
• 3111[21:07:48] <tdn> jelly, I think that worked: replaced-url
• 3112[21:07:51] <simpledat> How do I install FileZilla Client for Linux?
• 3113[21:08:41] <tdn> jelly, does that look right? Should I reboot now?
• 3114[21:08:49] <jelly> tdn: that's nominal yes
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• 3116[21:08:54] <tdn> jelly, thanks
• 3117[21:09:17] <jelly> simpledat: apt-get install filezilla
• 3118[21:09:29] <jelly> as root
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• 3121[21:10:12] <simpledat> jelly: Should I then run filezilla as normal user?
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• 3128[21:11:56] <jelly> simpledat: yes, just like almost all the apps.
• 3129[21:12:11] <simpledat> jelly: Ok thank you
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• 3149[21:24:04] <greycat> So, all the stretch 9.2 updates don't come with an update to base-files (/etc/debian_version) unless you are also using stretch-updates. Izzat a bug?
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• 3165[21:29:45] <jelly> greycat: known and will be fixed, see tracker.debian.org/base-files
• 3166[21:29:49] <greycat> cool
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• 3168[21:30:28] <jelly> my mirror doesn't have it even in stable-updates yet
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• 3172[21:31:05] <alhadi> can i upgrade my Debian 8 Jessie without reinstall?
• 3173[21:31:15] <mundosegundo> yes alhadi
• 3174[21:31:21] <alhadi> i have a game server
• 3175[21:31:28] <alhadi> will it have any issue?
• 3176[21:31:31] <alhadi> mysq 5.7
• 3177[21:31:37] <alhadi> ogp installed open game panel
• 3178[21:31:37] <jelly> greycat: would be funny if it was fixed with the next point release
• 3179[21:31:41] <mundosegundo> just change the repos for debian 9 and upgrade; dist upgrade etc..
• 3180[21:31:50] <annadane> alhadi, replaced-url
• 3181[21:31:52] <mundosegundo> alhadi, honestly i dont know
• 3182[21:31:55] <jelly> mundosegundo: it's almost never JUST that
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• 3184[21:32:02] <muse> lol. no one can say, alhadi.
• 3185[21:32:05] <greycat> !tell alhadi about jessie->stretch
• 3186[21:32:15] <mundosegundo> y jelly ?
• 3187[21:32:30] <alhadi> i mean upgrade gives more problems
• 3188[21:32:32] <jelly> mundosegundo: release notes would be a lot shorter then
• 3189[21:32:35] <alhadi> the software compability
• 3190[21:32:37] <greycat> For upgrade issues, see replaced-url
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• 3193[21:32:47] <alhadi> mysql 5.7
• 3194[21:32:50] <alhadi> php5.5
• 3195[21:32:51] <greycat> err, sorry, that should be replaced-url
• 3196[21:33:01] <mundosegundo> doesnt the apt handles all the chnages?
• 3197[21:33:05] <jelly> alhadi: read the release notes. There is no php 5 any more.
• 3198[21:33:12] <alhadi> yes
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• 3200[21:33:17] <alhadi> my sotware needs php5
• 3201[21:33:23] <alhadi> it wont work in new
• 3202[21:33:24] <alhadi> php7
• 3203[21:33:38] <jelly> alhadi: php is at 7.0 in Debian 9. If you need 5.x do not go stretch
• 3204[21:33:46] <alhadi> thats the reason
• 3205[21:33:53] <alhadi> becuz the panel i use its ogp 5.5
• 3206[21:34:02] <alhadi> if put 7 it send me bunch of erors
• 3207[21:34:12] <alhadi> the author says php5 is what will work
• 3208[21:34:19] <alhadi> beyond it wont work for the sowtare
• 3209[21:34:21] <jelly> mundosegundo: ^^ this, and other known gotchas get documented in the release notes
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• 3212[21:34:42] <mundosegundo> oh ok, but the general system will right jelly ?
• 3213[21:35:14] <jelly> mundosegundo: no. You absolutely want to read the release notes.
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• 3217[21:35:39] <mundosegundo> ok
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• 3221[21:35:52] <jelly> if you don't, we'll laugh at you when you come with an issue that could have been avoided
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• 3223[21:36:04] <jelly> probably.
• 3224[21:37:02] <jelly> alhadi: well the author and you have time until, maybe, 2020 to make it work
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• 3227[21:37:31] <jelly> that's when jessie LTS support ends. php5 security support will be limited in LTS anyway.
• 3228[21:37:33] <mundosegundo> ok, then here is one jelly, my laptop starts getting really slow when it its low battery like 10%+- and if i tell him to shutdown or sometimes i dont even have to do that, the system frezes and i have to force the turn off with the power button
• 3229[21:37:49] <mundosegundo> its a fresh debian 9 with gnome, not an upgrade from 8
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• 3233[21:38:57] <shellclear> mundosegundo: Why don't run docker containers?
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• 3235[21:39:15] <jelly> mundosegundo: seeing as it a laptop, and you're on gnome, I don't have a lot to offer with that issue
• 3236[21:39:36] <mundosegundo> honestly i dont know what that does shellclear
• 3237[21:39:48] <mundosegundo> jelly, ok
• 3238[21:39:58] <jelly> shellclear: are you a bot?
• 3239[21:40:13] <shellclear> mundosegundo: sorry, my answer is to alhadi ...
• 3240[21:40:24] <mundosegundo> oh ok
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• 3242[21:41:07] <shellclear> jelly: no way...
• 3243[21:41:33] <jelly> alright
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• 3246[21:42:12] <mundosegundo> wat about this one, on a desktop now and with cinnamon installed, if i program a shutdown to xx:xx my mb start to beep every x minutes, how can i turn this off?
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• 3249[21:43:40] <shellclear> mundosegundo: replaced-url
• 3250[21:44:06] <shellclear> this time is to you.
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• 3252[21:44:11] <shellclear> hahaha
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• 3254[21:44:24] <mundosegundo> thank you shellclear, but why only on shutdown command?
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• 3256[21:44:30] <ewew> Hi. Did somebody had trouble running irc proxy bip on debian 9 ?
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• 3260[21:45:25] <greycat> mundosegundo: are you running headless or something? Are you not seeing a text message at the same time as the beeps, on the console?
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• 3263[21:45:39] <annadane> ewew, it would help if you're more detailed about your problem
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• 3265[21:46:03] <shellclear> mundo segundo: this is interesting, would it be need investigate
• 3266[21:46:14] <annadane> what about bip are you having trouble with?
• 3267[21:46:14] <shellclear> mundosegundo:
• 3268[21:46:14] <mundosegundo> greycat, no, i cant tell usually the term is on a window im not loocking at
• 3269[21:46:25] <ewew> when running via normal start script it fails to work. If i run it as root it works well.
• 3270[21:46:36] * greycat tries to parse that response
• 3271[21:46:37] <annadane> shellclear, you can probably use tab completion. type the first few letters of someone's name and press tab
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• 3274[21:47:15] <shellclear> annadane: yep, I know. I made a mistake
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• 3277[21:47:54] <annadane> ewew, how does it "fail to work". do you have any output from the terminal?
• 3278[21:47:59] <annadane> paste.debian.net
• 3279[21:48:28] <ewew> its not listed in output from ps -Af
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• 3293[22:00:24] <AllyG> Hi. I'm installing a debootstrap chroot, arch=arm, onto my desktop. AFter I exec the debootstrap, and cd in the the $chroot, I check & there's *no* $chroot/bin/apt*, or $chroot/debootstrap/debootstrap.
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• 3295[22:00:55] <AllyG> I've tried include=...,apt,debootstrap,...
• 3296[22:01:15] <AllyG> and I *DO* the the .deb's DL'd. they're just not apparently unpacked/installed
• 3297[22:01:26] <AllyG> Do I have to do those manually somehow?
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• 3300[22:04:50] <unkmar> I am thankful to all that finally Debian Live working.
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• 3304[22:05:50] <hexnewbie> AllyG: debootstrap chroots into the target directory to execute scripts, so if the host is not arm, you'd need qemu user emulation like so - replaced-url
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• 3306[22:06:19] <hexnewbie> AllyG: Though if that's the case I would be surprised at the lack of errors (though debootstrap is a weirdo)
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• 3309[22:09:35] <AllyG> hexnewbie: I've got qemu installed. debootstrap populates the chroot with lots of dirs/files. $chroot/bin is *full* of stuff. but 'usr/bin/apt-get', 'usr/bin/dpkg', 'debootstrap/deboostrap' are missing.
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• 3314[22:13:21] <AllyG> hexnewbie: e.g., here's what bins are installed by the debootstrap step: replaced-url
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• 3319[22:16:40] <hexnewbie> AllyG: egrep 'Package: apt$' "$chroot"/var/lib/dpkg/status -A 2
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• 3321[22:17:06] <Fjorgynn> hej
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• 3333[22:21:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> AllyG, you need the static build of ARM-targeted QEMU and it has to be installed in the chroot
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• 3335[22:21:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> So you likely need to do a 2-stage debootstrap.
• 3336[22:22:10] <AllyG> k. brb
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• 3346[22:24:42] <b0xii> ping 9192.1.668.1.1
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• 3348[22:24:59] <greycat> it's like a Hollywood movie about hacking
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• 3360[22:29:43] <rachelfish> hi #debian
• 3361[22:30:08] <rachelfish> Does anybody know if there's a reason why Atom (the text editor) isn't available in the debian repos?
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• 3366[22:33:13] <awal1> check PTS
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• 3372[22:34:42] <awal1> if it was in the past :P
• 3373[22:35:00] <awal1> seems no
• 3374[22:35:12] <tw> I'd guess the dependency on node.js is a bit of a damper.
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• 3385[22:37:56] <jim> so, sway and gnome are the envs that work well with wayland, and kde, not so much... what are the package names for each?
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• 3387[22:38:37] <jim> also, is it just that wayland is a simpler replacement for x and doesn't add new features?
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• 3401[22:48:03] <velix> Is there a change, PostgreSQL 10 gets into backports or shall I use PostgreSQL's own repo?
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• 3404[22:49:54] <greycat> You can use whatever you like, but if you want unstable things, why did you choose Debian?
• 3405[22:50:01] <greycat> Just seems odd.
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• 3413[22:53:15] <hexnewbie> greycat: It's nice to have stable base with a few unstable packages, rather than have everything unstable. (Hell, after banging my head against the wall with Stretch, I'd probably go for oldstable + backports from unstable, if those existed :) )
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• 3416[22:53:59] <tw> I believe that's called sloppy.
• 3417[22:54:40] <tw> eg jessie-backports-sloppy
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• 3419[22:54:48] <user893457892> arch is good for bleeding edge
• 3420[22:55:23] <hexnewbie> Ah, yes. There's backports-sloppy, but those have even fewer packages than regular backports.
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• 3424[22:57:55] <jim> velix, postgresql does have its own repo which apparantly works... it provides packages of postgres of various versions, for various versions of debian
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• 3435[23:04:13] <jim> they're set up the same way the debian postgres packages are: - multiple versions of postgres are supported and coexist just fine; - added to postgres, is the ability to create "clusters", which are a pairing of a particular version of postgres with an initially blank data area -and- a maintainance script for each cluster that can start and stop that cluster
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• 3466[23:19:51] <velix> greycat: Because of the packing system.
• 3467[23:19:54] <velix> jim: thx
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• 3475[23:22:42] <Lyberta> can I delete /var/log/installer? it seems to have files from initial installation
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• 3486[23:28:55] <Brigo> Lyberta, yes, you can.
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• 3507[23:37:44] <Nekojimi> Out of curiosity, why is debhelper constantly changing the channel limit? o.o
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• 3509[23:38:30] <RoyK> Nekojimi: probably to avoid a rush of bots if they find a way in
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• 3525[23:50:49] <bdax> Hi everyone. I want to move the beginning of my swap partition 'to the right', and have the partition before it use the extra space. I know moving the beginnings of partitions is usually not a good idea, but is that still true with swap partitions?
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• 3530[23:53:05] <qman__> bdax: if you don't care about the data, you can move partitions wherever you want
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• 3532[23:53:25] <qman__> essentially, you delete the old one and create a new one where you want it
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• 3534[23:56:26] <bdax> qman__: I care about the data of the partition before swap, and there's nothing after the swap. I take it from your response that it's still not recommended to move swaps around? Will debian not just 'figure out' that the swap has moved and work with it?
• 3535[23:56:29] <iflema> make sure /etc/fstab has UUID or LABEL for partitions and add your changes there. blkid for UUID's. Make the changes, blkid for the ids and edit fstab
• 3536[23:57:01] <qman__> bdax: if you don't care about the data in swap, swapoff that partition, delete it, create the new one, mkswap, swapon
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• 3542[23:57:23] <qman__> might need a partprobe before the mkswap
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• 3544[23:57:49] <qman__> then you can resize the other one to consume the extra space
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• 3548[23:58:54] <bdax> ah I see, brilliant, thanks for that qman__ and iflema
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