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7[00:04:19] <afernandez_> Debian guys, some oif the monitoring
plugins just have a number in the script I do not know how to
repoirt that
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8[00:04:21] <afernandez_> such as:
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9[00:04:22] <afernandez_>
root@kanotixbox:/usr/local/nagios/libexec# cat check_swap
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10[00:04:24] <afernandez_> 2
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15[00:05:16] <afernandez_> Thanks again I will be back.
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20[00:06:20] <markybob> afernandez_: we wont forget you're
not using debian
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23[00:07:22] <teraflops> :P
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53[00:18:01] <trysten> how do i change boot dependencies? i
need to make the LVM-activation.service non-critical so my system
will boot
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60[00:19:42] <mutante> trysten: do you have something like
/etc/systemd/system/LVM-activation.service ?
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62[00:20:00] <trysten> yes. i'm new to systemd sooo
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63[00:20:21] <mutante> trysten: so in that file, there should
be an [Install] section
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65[00:20:38] <mutante> and there it probably says
"WantedBy=multi-user.target"
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66[00:20:46] <mutante> i think you could comment that line
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78[00:24:35] <trysten> mutante: can i invoke systemctl to do
that?
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85[00:26:38] <mutante> trysten: systemctl disable , yea
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97[00:31:16] <Xablo29> #debian
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102[00:31:51] <Xablo29> #Dialogues
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103[00:31:53] <Xablo29> #Dialogues
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110[00:33:37] <Nuri> hi
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112[00:33:51] <Nuri> I need flash player
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113[00:34:02] <Nuri> debian version 8.4.0 x64
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120[00:34:48] <markybob> Nuri:
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121[00:35:31] <Nuri> my browser Iceweasel
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122[00:35:39] <Nuri> ty markybob
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125[00:36:28] <markybob> i know iceweasel is dropping flash
support soonish. fyi.
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130[00:37:39] <somiaj> markybob: is iceweasel droping NAPI too?
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132[00:37:53] <markybob> somiaj: that's my understanding
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133[00:38:01] <somiaj> (well guess we should say firefox, since
iceweasel won't be the newer version)
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136[00:38:20] <trysten> mutante: how about if i just want to
make it non-critical?
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137[00:38:22] <somiaj> markybob: ahh, haven't heard that.
Are they gonig to adopt PAPI or just drop plugins all together and
only use extensions?
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138[00:38:39] <Nuri> Could not find package
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140[00:38:51] <somiaj> Nuri: the packages are in contrib, as
they will install non-free software on your system
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142[00:39:14] <markybob> somiaj:
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143[00:39:28] <somiaj> Nuri: also note there is a PAPI wrapper
for pepperflash with iceweasel if you want the newer flash matained
by google in firefox
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149[00:40:55] <somiaj> markybob: seems they will support flash
in someway, though if they don't allow NAPI plugins it might
hurt the linux comunity (kinda like chromium did until we figured
out how to rip flash out of chrome)
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152[00:41:34] <somiaj> markybob: thanks for the link
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153[00:42:00] <Nuri> what should i do now
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154[00:42:32] <somiaj> Nuri: are you okay with installing
non-free flash on your computer? Do you want the older flash from
adobe or the google-chrome flash plugin (both will work just fine on
most sites)
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157[00:43:38] <somiaj> !contrib
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158[00:43:38] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain
<DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main
(possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages,
add lines like "deb
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164[00:44:19] <somiaj> Nuri: I have to go, but to install
non-free flash in debian follow the instructions the bot dpkg said
to enable the contrib repo in your souces.list
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165[00:44:44] <somiaj> Nuri: once you do that you can install
either 'flashplugin-nonfree' (for the older adobe flash)
or 'browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash' *
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166[00:44:54] <somiaj> the second one is for the newer
google-chrome flash.
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167[00:45:02] <somiaj> Others can help if you run into any
issues doing this.
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168[00:45:47] <Nuri> ty
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169[00:46:35] <Nuri> Which do you recommend somiaj
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171[00:46:44] <Nuri> somiaj: Which do you recommend
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173[00:47:57] <markybob> Nuri: you probably want the chrome one.
keep in mind there's no sandboxing like in chrome
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180[00:50:05] <markybob> Nuri: you don't want netflix, do
you?
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183[00:50:41] <trysten> damnit! why is systemd so obscure to me?
/rant
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184[00:51:06] <markybob> trysten: probably because you've
failed to teach yourself :P
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188[00:52:03] <jeddi> trysten: all change involves some
discomfort :) try to ignore all the bad things people say, and just
go read some tutorial blogs - it's rare that I've not been
able to find good explanations of behaviour I hvaen't
immediately understood, and solutions to problems I've had.
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189[00:52:50] <markybob> trysten: honestly everything but binary
logs makes sense to me. i like it.
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191[00:53:03] <trysten> the behavior is pretty ok, i just
can't get around it and it's keeping me from booting.
arrrrgh! you're right though. I'm not really opposed to
systemd
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192[00:53:12] <trysten> i tried to be.. but even linux says meh
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193[00:53:15] <trysten> linus*
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195[00:53:35] <jeddi> trysten: any particular thing you're
having troubles with now?
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196[00:53:39] <markybob> trysten: no. linus said the same thing
i did. only against binary logs.
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197[00:54:11] <jeddi> usually the thing that bites me is drop-in
.service replacements for init.d scripts ... that don't drop-in
quite as transparently as I'd hoped.
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198[00:54:56] <trysten> markybob: "those are details, not
big issues"
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203[00:56:42] <trysten> jeddi: right now i'm trying to work
around the automatically generated dependency on a non-important
lvm2 volume group. it's missing PVs so it can't activate
which drops me to (glitchy) recovery console
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207[00:58:04] <SerajewelKS> is there a mode of tar that will
preserve user/group information by name, not id?
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210[00:58:24] <SerajewelKS> or is there another recommended way
to transfer files that will account for user/group ids being
different?
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214[00:58:38] <sweettea> i think rsync can handle that
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216[00:58:45] <jeddi> trysten: aha. yeah. that may be fun. my
first upgrade to systemd ages a while back broke on a combination of
lvm2 and / being a cryptsetup partition.
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220[00:59:05] <jmcnaught> trysten: are there filesystems in this
VG that are in /etc/fstab? take a look at "man
systemd.mount" for the nofail option
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229[01:01:38] <jeddi> SerajewelKS: i don't think (but may
be wrong) that you can do this - for fairly sensible reasons most
utils will use uid, not username.
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241[01:05:14] <SerajewelKS> jeddi: it would be sensible, if
wheezy and jessie system group ids were the same, but they are not
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242[01:05:25] <sweettea> i actually dont think that will do what
he wants tho
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244[01:05:41] <SerajewelKS> jeddi: so in migrating some /etc
stuff i need to be able to handle users and groups as names not as
ids
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245[01:05:58] <sweettea> uid/gid are consistency is not specific
to distro
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246[01:06:13] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: that's not english
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247[01:06:14] <sweettea> hell any distro if you install stuff in
differing order will generate different uid/gid
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250[01:06:28] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: i'm not saying the
ids SHOULD be the same
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254[01:06:48] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: i'm saying that in
transferring some configuration over, i need ownership information
to be retained by name, not by id
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256[01:07:16] <sweettea> solve the problem with some basic bash?
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257[01:07:17] <SerajewelKS> otherwise, stuff that was owned by
replaced-url
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258[01:07:20] <sweettea> its trivial
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259[01:07:29] <jeddi> SerajewelKS: ah. okay. this hasn't
bitten me before, but i've not tried copying swathes of /etc
around - i'm either upgrading, or it's being (re)installed
from a config manager.
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262[01:07:49] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: it's not trivial, but
thanks for playing
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265[01:08:08] <markybob> i'd be much more worried about
permissions than ownership
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266[01:08:29] <SerajewelKS> markybob: you can't worry about
one without worrying about the other
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267[01:08:36] <mutante> SerajewelKS: find / -uid <old UID>
-exec chown <new UID>
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268[01:08:45] <SerajewelKS> markybob: if permissions are right
and ownership is not, someone else has access
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269[01:08:47] <markybob> you kinda can. one is much easier to
fix
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270[01:08:53] <mutante> had to do that multiple times when users
migrate
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272[01:09:11] <SerajewelKS> mutante: and what do you do in the
case where group IDs are inverted?
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275[01:09:57] <SerajewelKS> we're basically talking about
building a ridiculous find expression for something that seems
reasonable to find in some system utility somewhere
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276[01:10:16] <markybob> the point is you're not going to
save both when the've changed.
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277[01:10:18] <mutante> SerajewelKS: eh.. you look for all files
owned by the old user or gid and switch it to the new ones (there is
-gid as a find option )
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278[01:10:26] <sweettea> its pretty basic
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279[01:10:41] <markybob> exactly. it is basic.
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280[01:10:46] <mutante> it's not even an expression, just
"uid" and "gid"
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282[01:10:58] <SerajewelKS> mutante: when group A/B had ids 5/6
on the old system and have ids 6/5 on the new system, find
isn't going to work without getting ridiculous
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287[01:12:20] <markybob> we've already gotten ridiculous
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288[01:12:37] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: FWIW your suggestion
regarding rsync was in fact correct -- it uses names and not ids for
ownership, unless you specify --numeric-ids
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289[01:12:43] <mutante> SerajewelKS: ok, i guess i was lucky
with that, but not sure how another utility would fix that. you can
temp give it a random high UID, then change it back
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290[01:12:53] <SerajewelKS> so the correct answer to this
question is not "find ... -exec chown" but "use
rsync"
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292[01:13:00] <sweettea> ...
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297[01:14:29] <SerajewelKS> which makes me happy, because
mapping this stuff by hand is a recipe for screwing it up badly
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299[01:14:42] <sweettea> rsync will cause you different problems
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300[01:15:05] <sweettea> the solution is to properly architect
this and perhaps use automation for your binaries/confs
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314[01:21:21] <trysten> where is systemd configured to take me
to Emergency Mode?
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319[01:23:01] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
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322[01:23:19] <jmcnaught> trysten: did you try setting nofail in
fstab?
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323[01:23:26] <trysten> thanks. to answer your earlier question,
they are not listed in fstab
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325[01:24:02] <trysten> unless fstab was automatically appended
when i activated the lv
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330[01:24:44] <jmcnaught> trysten: no. the problem is that boot
fails because of a missing PV?
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340[01:29:29] <jml2> trysten, no
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341[01:29:30] <trysten> jmcnaught: well, it was. it's
booting now. i'm trying to make it fail again, but systemctl
enable lvm2-activation[-early].service did not enable the problem
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342[01:29:37] <trysten> trysten, no
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343[01:29:43] <jml2> trysten, fstab is never touched by anything
except when installing debian
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344[01:29:52] <trysten> jml2: cool. i would have guessed that
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346[01:30:15] <trysten> that's what i would have guessed,
rather
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347[01:30:24] <jml2> trysten, man mtab
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350[01:30:38] <jml2> (nm that, it's not there)
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355[01:31:47] <trysten> jml2: i don't have mtab manpage..?
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357[01:31:56] <jml2> no need
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358[01:32:16] <jml2> (scratches head)
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359[01:32:30] <trysten> jml2: yeah, just curious as to where it
is/comes from
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363[01:33:03] <jml2> no need to worry about that-- that was just
for informational purposes :)
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364[01:33:13] <trysten> jmcnaught: you know, you and I have been
on the channel for years. I used to go by acid or acidslep. good to
see you still around
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369[01:34:04] <trysten> jml2: thank you! i didn't know
about it. any ideas on how to rebreak my system? systemctl enable
lvm2-activation.service didn't actually bring it back, like
it's not a dependency any more
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370[01:34:29] <trysten> jmcnaught: oh. it is in fstab. ha.
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374[01:35:10] <jml2> trysten, btw for "target" rescue
mode, it should be possible to use that for the kernel's
boot-line.. it'd be something like target= ...
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385[01:37:26] <jml2> trysten,
replaced-url
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386[01:37:35] <jml2> trysten, would be in debian wiki too
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388[01:37:55] <jml2> it's rather something else with =, for
the target ("runlevel")
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391[01:38:06] <jmcnaught> trysten: on my system
lvm2-activation.service is Type=oneshot (so it doesn't stay
active after it runs) and is WantedBy=local-fs.target. Its only
entries in the journal are reporting that my VGs are now active
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394[01:39:22] <jmcnaught> trysten: so "systemctl status
lvm2-activation" will say "inactive (dead)" because
Type=Oneshot means it doesn't need to stay active
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395[01:39:45] * trysten is having multiple epiphanygasms
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396[01:39:57] <trysten> thank you so much, jmcnaught, jml2. love
you guys
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401[01:41:25] <jml2> i keep forgetting systemd syntax multiple
times tehehe
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402[01:41:41] <jml2> my bad
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403[01:41:57] <jmcnaught> i've been starting to forget
pre-systemd syntax, like update-rc.d etc
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409[01:45:41] <shadows> jmcnaught: good riddance, thought I am
sad that Ubuntu's upstart claimed easy things like
"start" "stop" "restart"
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412[01:46:11] <shadows> "journalctl" and
"systemctl" are cumbersome to type as a rule
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413[01:47:06] <aypea[2]> yerp
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414[01:47:20] <countbackula> journalctl is also very difficult
for one with dyslexia
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415[01:47:23] <markybob> if you think so make an alias. jcl and
scl or whatever.
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416[01:47:34] <shadows> markybob: on every system I interact
with?
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417[01:47:59] <markybob> if you cant be bothered to type
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418[01:48:11] <markybob> i personally just type because i know
how
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419[01:48:11] <mutante> how about using Ctrl +R after you typed
it once
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421[01:48:42] <shadows> my discontent is not for having to alias
and save keystrokes
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422[01:48:53] <shadows> it is for the rather cumbersome name to
begin with
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434[01:57:10] <bolts_> Please help me rescue my boot: I
accidentally commented out my encrypted root partition in
/etc/crypttab, and my boot is falling back to initramfs
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436[01:57:25] <bolts_> cryptsetup is absent from initramfs for
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450[02:01:49] <user__> does debian use fdisk?
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451[02:02:23] <Alam_Squeeze> user__: you mean DOS fdisk or GNU
fdisk?
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452[02:02:32] <user__> gnu
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453[02:02:48] <FinalX> it does
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454[02:02:59] <jmcnaught> bolts_: you'll probably need to
boot from a live disk, use cryptsetup to unlock the partition,
chroot into it, fix /etc/crypttab, and run update-initramfs -u
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455[02:03:05] <bolts_> how can I mount and boot from a LUKS
encrypted partition from within the initramfs prompt?
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456[02:03:08] <user__> when i type fdisk -l it is not showing
the disked installed on the system
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457[02:03:28] <bolts_> jmcnaught: okay, I was worried that was
the case
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459[02:03:40] <jmcnaught> bolts_: is the cryptsetup command
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460[02:03:41] <FinalX> user__: perhaps your disk controller
needs a driver/module that's not loaded, check with dmesg to
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461[02:03:51] <FinalX> user__: fdisk -l does show all disks
under normal cirtcumstances
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462[02:04:15] <bolts_> jmcnaught: it is not
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468[02:06:04] <jeddi> yeah - previously i've had to pull
the initram image across to anotehr machine, pull it open (cpio?)
and put the libraries / binaries I needed in there, then load it
back on the broken box. a live-cd option didn't work for me - i
think I couldn't work out how to remake the initram image once
i'd booted from cd onto the original /
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470[02:06:14] <jmcnaught> user__: fdisk lives at /sbin/fdisk
which is not in the $PATH for a regular user (because it's
normally root that would run it).
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472[02:06:49] <jmcnaught> user__: what does "lsblk"
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473[02:06:58] <FinalX> user__: read your own screenshot; you
tried to install fidsk, not fdisk, but, it's in the package
util-linux
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474[02:07:02] <niggard> hey debs, what's going on? I
mounted an ssh connection (using sshfs) to a local dir and now I
can't unmount it, I get this error: 'fusermount:2: maximum
nested function level reached' what's that?
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475[02:07:19] <user__> That command lists all the current hard
drives installed
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476[02:07:32] <FinalX> user__: apt-get install util-linux
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478[02:08:34] <niggard> [I use 'fusermount -u
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489[02:12:08] <niggard> weird error, I reopened a terminal
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493[02:13:02] <alphazulu> i have a question: under the more
modern conf directory arrangement where you have .../conf.d/.... how
do you disable one of the conf scripts? if you just rename one from
say custom.conf.DIS it will still get sourced by the daemon.
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494[02:13:46] <alphazulu> they way the daemon should behave is
that it should only source files named .*.conf$
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495[02:14:14] <alphazulu> ^.*\.conf$
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496[02:14:18] <FinalX> depends on what software you're
asking for; also, you could rename them to .<name>
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497[02:14:25] <FinalX> most include conf.d/*
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499[02:14:32] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: delete it or move it to a
different directory. or depending on what software you're
talking about, look for an Include statement of sorts to see what it
pulls in
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501[02:14:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> chmod u-r ?
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502[02:14:54] <alphazulu> apache
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503[02:14:56] <mutante> or you just link files in there and then
you can just remove the link and add it back
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504[02:15:20] <FinalX> plus, most software has that include line
jmcnaught talks about and you can probably "fix" it so it
only does conf.d/*.conf; though .conf is already implied because of
the directory name, so that's why it's usually conf.d/*
...
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505[02:15:31] <alphazulu> so apache will also source anything in
/conf.d/DISABLED/.. ?
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506[02:15:34] <FinalX> file extensions are windows thing anyway
tbh
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508[02:15:59] <mutante> alphazulu: actually it uses
"conf-available" and "conf-enabled" and symlinks
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509[02:16:06] <mutante> from some version on
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510[02:16:19] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: on Wheezy? Apache on Jessie
has conf-available and conf-enabled (like with sites and modules),
and the include statement is explicit about only *.conf
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511[02:16:22] <mutante> so you handle it like the sites too
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513[02:16:29] <alphazulu> oh i see! thanks. for some reason my
...conf.disabled got symlinked. i probably forgot to remove it
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516[02:18:06] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: yes on a wheezy box
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520[02:19:04] <alphazulu> thanks
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521[02:19:06] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: where did the conf file
come from? it should be a conffile and safe to delete (or move
somewhere else if you want to use it later)
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525[02:20:09] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: yes it was just a symlink
to the actual file in ../conf-available/...
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528[02:24:04] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: are you sure it's
Wheezy then? Debian's apache2 2.2.22 on wheezy only had
/etc/apache2/conf.d/ (it's Jessie that adds conf-available and
conf-enable and the a2enconf/a2disconf commands)
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531[02:26:15] <FinalX> yeah... we make all of those on our
wheezy boxes :P
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535[02:26:59] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: Server version:
Apache/2.2.22 (Debian); cat /etc/debian_version 7.10
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538[02:27:17] <BenderRodriguez> Good day
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539[02:27:26] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, good day
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540[02:27:57] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: oh it's you
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542[02:28:05] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: ah, it came from this
package: owncloud-config-apache
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543[02:28:15] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, what did i do?
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544[02:28:28] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: well
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545[02:28:34] <alphazulu> dpkg -S /etc/apache2/conf-available
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546[02:28:34] <dpkg> Dingos ate my /etc/apache2/conf-available!
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547[02:28:39] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: last time I recall, you
went on a rant about Windows
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548[02:28:49] <BenderRodriguez> which I didn't take too
kindly
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550[02:28:57] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: ahh.. that package is
probably from a foreign/upstream repo then
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551[02:29:09] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, but you're saying
"dear Linux" on #linux
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552[02:29:13] <alphazulu> yes the owncloud repo.
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553[02:29:14] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, you trolling linux
channels again?
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554[02:29:36] <jml2> hmm
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555[02:29:38] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: no that was legit question
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556[02:29:39] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: no small wonder that it has
some integration issues :)
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558[02:29:41] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: no trolling
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560[02:29:48] <jml2> i think he's not using debian. :P)
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561[02:29:54] * jml2 digresses from trolls.
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562[02:30:09] <BenderRodriguez> I'm using Ubuntu 16.04
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563[02:30:16] <BenderRodriguez> But it's a kvm related
question
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564[02:30:25] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, #ubuntu then
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565[02:30:28] <mutante> (counts)
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566[02:30:28] <jmcnaught> BenderRodriguez: you should ask in
#ubuntu
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567[02:30:31] * jml2 ignores BenderRodriguez
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569[02:30:49] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: yes it was a big decision
on my new jessie box whether to use their repo or not. in the end i
did because its more recent
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570[02:30:58] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: why?
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572[02:31:09] <BenderRodriguez> Ubuntu and Debian share the same
codebase :P
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573[02:31:21] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell BenderRodriguez about based
on debian
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574[02:31:23] <mutante> BenderRodriguez: that won't work
and is repeated like 10 times per day
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576[02:31:42] <BenderRodriguez> In fact, prior to this,
I've snuck in a few Ubuntu questions here in the past and the
solutions worked
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577[02:31:49] <jml2> can't believe he's not banned
yet. He's a problem.
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578[02:31:54] <BenderRodriguez> ...?
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579[02:31:55] <mutante> ingores BenderRodriguez
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580[02:31:56] <BenderRodriguez> why?
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582[02:32:15] <BenderRodriguez> sigh...fine...
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583[02:32:18] <BenderRodriguez> I'll go to ubuntu
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585[02:33:10] <wudu> I wonder if I can ask Windows questions
here, I mean it uses 02 and 1s, too.
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586[02:33:21] <wudu> 0s
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587[02:33:41] <BenderRodriguez> I get the point
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588[02:34:01] <BenderRodriguez> mutante: and please disregard
jml2. I'm a reasonable member of the open source community
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589[02:34:16] <BenderRodriguez> He and I had disagreements which
led him to believe that I was a troll
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590[02:34:22] <BenderRodriguez> Obviously a misguided assumption
on his part.
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591[02:34:38] <FinalX> wudu: Windows 10 is coming with an Ubuntu
subsystem :P
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592[02:34:44] <FinalX> worlds collide..
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595[02:35:33] <wudu> Right, I saw that somewhere, ridiculus
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600[02:37:22] <FinalX> smart tbh, Microsoft knows it's
losing big bucks in the server OS world, so they're porting SQL
Server and all other moneycows to Linux, and in return, making it
easier for developers that want to use Linux, to use Windows.
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602[02:37:32] <teraflops> FinalX: yeah the best of both worlds
</sarcasm>
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608[02:38:29] <FinalX> I'm not one to partake in
OS-flaming/software-wars. Everything has its upsides, downsides,
likings and dislikings. I use whatever is most useful for the thing
at hand :)
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612[02:39:35] <Jaro> hello all, does anybody know if steam works
properly on debian?
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613[02:39:50] <Jaro> I tried to follow some instructions to
install it, but it screwed up my system lol
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614[02:39:54] <Jaro> anyone have a good guide?
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616[02:40:18] <jml2> Jaro, well steamos is based on debian
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617[02:40:35] <Jaro> jml2, ya but they only support ubuntu
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618[02:40:52] <Jaro> steam does i mean. any good guide how to
install it properly on debian?
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620[02:41:04] <Jaro> I don't believe there is a package for
it in the repos
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623[02:41:14] <jmcnaught> Jaro: did you follow the instructions
at
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624[02:41:18] <jml2> Jaro, steam works best with the nvidia
driver
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625[02:41:50] <jml2> Jaro, you have to install the proprietary
driver for nvidia -- for intel gfx it's well the stock -kernel,
for ati, it's whatever proprietary fglrx it uses
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628[02:42:15] <Jaro> jml2, yes what happened was when I got to
this part aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 it started to
remove my whole system
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630[02:42:31] <Jaro> then i had no desktop anymore when i
rebooted
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631[02:42:34] <jml2> Jaro, the latest nvidia proprietary i had
to use apt-get -t jessie-backports, .340 didnt' work but .352
does
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632[02:42:52] <jml2> Jaro, (Fwiw nvidia is packaged in
backports)
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633[02:42:57] <jmcnaught> Jaro: sounds like problems caused by
using the third-party steampowered repo
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634[02:43:00] <Jaro> its that last step that didn't work
for me, yes that is explained int hose directions
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635[02:43:10] <jml2> Jaro, if you get a black screen, you might
have to disable kms, and blacklist nouveau
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637[02:43:19] <Jaro> is hould of read what I was hitting y for,
but ya, it remoevd everything
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638[02:43:22] <jml2> Jaro, (if you google those two things,
you'll find many guides on how to do it)
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640[02:43:28] <Jaro> I didn't get a black screen it booted
to a command prompt
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641[02:43:33] <Jaro> it removed the desktop
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643[02:43:41] <Jaro> aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
<<<< this command removed everything when i hit y
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645[02:43:46] <jml2> Jaro,
replaced-url
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647[02:44:00] <jml2> Jaro, try again.. can't parser :)
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648[02:44:17] <Jaro> jml2, what do you mean?
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650[02:44:27] <jml2> Jaro, watch the video tutorial
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658[02:46:07] <Jaro> jml2, so what did I do wrong with this
command? aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
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661[02:46:33] <Jaro> after i hit y, it removed my desktop and
everything in it lol
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662[02:46:35] <jml2> Jaro, .340 makes you think you had to do
that
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663[02:46:44] <jml2> Jaro, use -t jessie-backports with .352
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664[02:46:45] <Jaro> no you have to do that beacuse steam
requires it
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665[02:46:52] <jml2> Jaro, i gave you a solution
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666[02:46:53] <Jaro> or else steam won't bit and woill
compalin it needs tot he 32 bit lib
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669[02:47:03] <Jaro> jml2, is there anyone else that knows what
they are talking about that can answer me? lol
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670[02:47:07] <jml2> Jaro, or you cna try .340 again but use -t
jessie-backports
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671[02:47:14] <Jaro> it has nothing to do with the drivers
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672[02:47:23] <Jaro> steam is a 32 bit program and i'm
using a 64 bit install
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673[02:47:27] <Jaro> so that lib is needed to launch steam
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674[02:47:33] <Jaro> can you go away now?
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675[02:47:41] <Jaro> jesus christ i fucking hate linux
communities
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676[02:48:09] <jml2> here I use steam.
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677[02:48:11] <jml2> :)
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678[02:48:15] <jml2> good bye Jaro :)
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679[02:48:24] <jmcnaught> Jaro: did you add a repository to your
sources.list for steam, or download a .deb that you installed with
"dpkg -i"?
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680[02:48:25] <Jaro> it gives this warning "Installing the
32-bit OpenGL libraries may uninstall the 64-bit drivers you may
have previously installed. Installing the AMD graphics or NVIDIA
graphics drivers for your system is recommended. The appropriate
OpenGL library will be installed along with those drivers."
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682[02:48:27] <mutante> telling the guy who gives you the answer
he doesnt know what he is talking about ... kinda rude
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683[02:48:39] <Jaro> but the problem is it doesn't tell you
its also going to remove your whole desktop and leave with nothing
but a text prompot haha
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684[02:48:48] <Jaro> there will be no x to start
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687[02:49:21] <Jaro> installing the nvidia drivers does not
install that 32 bit lib
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689[02:49:30] <Jaro> you have to install that file, but how can
i install it, without removing anything.
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691[02:49:44] <Jaro> isn't it like a simple flag. am in the
twilight zone right now? hahah
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693[02:49:55] <jmcnaught> Jaro: i'd help you if you
answered any of my questions
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694[02:49:55] <Jaro> I guess i have to stick with ubuntu like a
noob then. fuck debian.
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696[02:50:03] <jml2> !ops Jaro trolling
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697[02:50:03] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jml2 complains
about: Jaro trolling
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698[02:50:05] <jml2> enough
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699[02:50:08] <mutante> gamers...
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700[02:50:14] <Jaro> jml2, you are the one trolling me man
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702[02:50:17] <AbsurdTech> What's this?
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703[02:50:34] <Jaro> someone needs to fix those debian
instructions
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704[02:50:44] <Jaro> all it is guiding people to do, is break
their whole system.
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705[02:51:04] <AbsurdTech> Jaro: Just stick to what
Valve/GOG/Humble Bundle reccomends
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706[02:51:12] <Jaro> AbsurdTech, apparenlty.
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707[02:51:34] <Jaro> but ubuntu is such spyware :(
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708[02:52:00] <Jaro> i think big brother got to the developer of
peerguardian
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710[02:52:19] <Jaro> its the craziest thing. on ubuntu 16.04. it
only pretends to add your blocklists, but doesn't really block
anything. even though everything appears to be working
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711[02:52:21] <somiaj> Jaro: It sounds like you are mixing
things, but I have not followed the whole issue. You may be
frustrated but please refrain from harsh language and talking about
ubuntu.
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712[02:52:23] <mutante> *plenk*
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713[02:52:24] <Jaro> on debian it works as it should lol
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714[02:52:28] <Jaro> just one example...
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715[02:52:51] <jmcnaught> Jaro: if you want help with the issue
you're having with that pakage trying to remove stuff, you can
make a paste of the output on
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717[02:53:03] <CuteMeOwnThroat> mutante, maybe rude, but
possibly accurate... ignoring the *other* guy who has a pretty good
guess at the situation and the answer to that is stupid
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718[02:53:07] <Jaro> somiaj, when using this command aptitude
install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 it removed my whole desktop
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719[02:53:23] <Jaro> i thought maybe i was supposed to put an
extra flag after it thats not in instructions.
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720[02:53:35] <Jaro> it removed everything except core linux
files haha libreoffice everything...
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721[02:53:37] <somiaj> Jaro: what version of debain are you
running, cayou you paste teh output of apt-cache policy
libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 at paste.debian.net
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722[02:53:47] <Jaro> i felt like an idiot afterwards cause i
just immediately hit y
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725[02:54:08] <Jaro> somiaj, i'm on ubuntu right now
wanting to go back to debian
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726[02:54:13] <AbsurdTech> CuteMeOwnThroat: Who, me?
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728[02:54:26] <somiaj> Jaro: sounds like you have an issue with
your sources.list (or packages you have isntaleled out side of
debian), #debian will help you out.
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729[02:54:32] <Jaro> somiaj, i followed the instructions here
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733[02:54:54] <Jaro> somiaj, I installed nothing but steam
immediately after a fresh install and update.
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737[02:55:28] <Jaro> somiaj, I got to this step Install 32-bit
OpenGL libraries:
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738[02:55:31] <CuteMeOwnThroat> AbsurdTech, no :) earlier,
jmcnaught probably had it in one go... oh well, have fun
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739[02:55:35] <Jaro> step 4. it all went wrong then
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741[02:55:48] <Jaro> and apparenlty it is indeed needed. because
steam will complain it doesn't have those libraries when trying
to launch it.
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744[02:56:27] <Jaro> somiaj, so you mean to tell me that simply
doing that command shouldn't remove my whole system? are you
sure?
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746[02:56:36] <Jaro> those instructions do give a warning
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747[02:56:40] <somiaj> Jaro: Well #debian can help you get
things working. I think the issue is debian will not isntall the
nvidia non-free drivers by default as the defatuls in debain are for
a free os.
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749[02:56:59] <somiaj> Jaro: Would you like to try to fix your
current install or would you prefer a reinstall and then get help
once you get to this point.
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750[02:57:11] <Jaro> somiaj, did you look at the debian wiki
directions?
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751[02:57:48] <Jaro> somiaj, oh wait, so you think the issue is
that I installed the nvidia prop drivers before doing all this is
the issue?
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752[02:57:57] <somiaj> Jaro: yes I did, note these are written
by users of debian and sometimes things change. Seems the writer of
those assums you already have the non-free drivers installed, but
this will not be the case ona fresh install of debian.
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754[02:58:06] <Jaro> ya I did.
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755[02:58:13] <somiaj> Jaro: you installed the nvidia drivers
from nvidia.com using their .run file?
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756[02:58:14] <Jaro> its the first thign I did, then I followed
those instructions
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757[02:58:32] <Jaro> maybe that is the problem, although the
warning there says that 32 bit library will be installed with the
nvidia non free drivers, but that is not true.
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758[02:58:34] <somiaj> Jaro: or a better question, how did you
install the nvidia drivers?
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760[02:58:44] <Jaro> it doesn't get installed with nvidia
non free drivers
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761[02:59:06] <Jaro> the same exact way jml2 said earlier
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762[02:59:10] <Jaro> with the backports, same command
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763[02:59:12] <linad3rr> hi, how can i open .docx file in
debian, it wont work with any default prpgram
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764[02:59:16] <Jaro> I think its another wiki lol
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767[02:59:35] <somiaj> Jaro: so you installed the nvidia drivers
from debian's jessie-backport repo?
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768[02:59:58] <somiaj> linad3rr: libreoffice will open .docx
files (there are also other apps that will)
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769[03:00:12] <Jaro> somiaj, i did it this way. followed the
example there for 352.79 drivers
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772[03:00:36] <Jaro> I actually found that page before using the
steam instructions.
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774[03:00:44] <somiaj> Jaro: okay that was the issue, the
instructions for installing the 32bit drivers assume you are using
the drivers from jessie, not jessie-backports
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775[03:00:47] <Jaro> i installed drivers and rebooted. the
proceeded to use steam instructions
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776[03:01:00] <somiaj> Jaro: you would have to have added a -t
jessie-backports to the apt-get install command that wanted to
install the 32bit drivers
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777[03:01:02] <linad3rr> somiaj : The file
'screenshot.docx' is corrupt and therefore cannot be
opened. LibreOffice can try to repair the file.
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778[03:01:03] <linad3rr> The corruption could be the result of
document manipulation or of structural document damage due to data
transmission.
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779[03:01:03] <linad3rr> We recommend that you do not trust the
content of the repaired document.
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780[03:01:03] <linad3rr> Execution of macros is disabled for
this document.
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781[03:01:03] <linad3rr> Should LibreOffice repair the file?
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783[03:01:15] <jml2> somiaj, told him that twice
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784[03:01:18] <jml2> somiaj, good luck
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787[03:01:37] <Jaro> somiaj, so first i would have to install a
kernel i guess from the backports?
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788[03:01:40] <somiaj> jml2: ahh, I didn't follow the whole
conversation, I was just trying to difuse the situation back to
support.
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789[03:01:47] <Jaro> somiaj, can you ignore him please
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795[03:02:01] <Jaro> he told me i needed the 32 bit lib for the
drivers, I need it for steam obviously
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796[03:02:20] <Jaro> somiaj, so back to my question. so then
before doing what you suggested i would need to install a backport
kernel first yes?
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797[03:02:26] <somiaj> Jaro: I'm unsure if the nvidia
drivers in backports requires a backported kernel or not. It may be
they will compile against the kernel in jessie
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798[03:02:52] <Jaro> somiaj, well according the wiki, it says
"Or if you are already using a Linux kernel from
jessie-backports:
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799[03:02:52] <Jaro> "
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800[03:03:08] <Jaro> then suggests the same commmand you
suggested. so does that mean i need a kernel from there first?
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801[03:03:12] <somiaj> Jaro: again please keep on support, lets
not owrry about other users.
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802[03:03:24] <Jaro> otherwise it says "Install Linux
headers for the kernel you are using. If you are using the 3.16
Linux kernel in Debian Jessie:"
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803[03:03:24] <somiaj> Jaro: what nvidia card do you have?
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804[03:03:28] <Jaro> and suggest commmand without the T
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808[03:04:35] <Jaro> sigh...
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809[03:04:40] <somiaj> Jaro: correct, when using
jessie-backports you will have to keep track what you are running
from jessie-backports and adjust instructions accordinly
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811[03:04:50] <somiaj> Jaro: but back to the question, what
nvidia card do you have?
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814[03:05:23] <Jaro> somiaj, its hard to trust you understand
what i'm trying to do, when you don't even look at the
debian wiki instructions i'm using.
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817[03:06:46] <TomTomTosch> Jaro: this would go faster if you
just answered the questions. you are rather noisy, makes it hard to
follow.
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818[03:06:47] <Jaro> somiaj, scroll down to debian 8
"jessie" instructions
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819[03:07:07] <Jaro> thats what i did. then go to
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820[03:07:12] <Jaro> the last step removed the desktop
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821[03:07:29] <somiaj> Jaro: yes, what I want to know is what
nvidia card you actually have. This will affect my advise on if you
should install the drivers from jessie-backports or not.
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822[03:07:33] <Jaro> somiaj, so apparenlty I already did what
you suggested
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823[03:07:48] <Jaro> i want at least that deriver man 352
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824[03:07:57] <Jaro> 362 would be even better
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825[03:08:02] <Jaro> but i'll take 352
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827[03:08:47] <TomTomTosch> What card are you using?
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831[03:09:01] <Jaro> i'm not gonna say what card i'm
using.
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833[03:09:15] <Jaro> because it doesn't matter. and if that
means you can't help me. you are no help anyways...
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834[03:09:18] <somiaj> Jaro: In that case yes, the only thing
that caused the error was you tried to mix the 64bit version from
jessie-backports with the 32bit version from jessie which caused a
conflict that removed some packages (and as a chain hit your desktop
due to a meta package)
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836[03:09:36] <Jaro> somiaj, just like jml2, you don't
understand. the 32 bit library is required for steam
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837[03:09:50] <Jaro> if you read the directions i'm using.
you will see how it explains that on the very page, with a fucking
warning i don't undersatnd
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838[03:09:58] <Jaro> but if you donm'[ even want to read
it. how you can possibly help me?
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839[03:10:07] <somiaj> Jaro: I do understand. I'm not
saying don't install the 32bit driver. I'm saying you need
to install the 32bit driver from jessie-backports
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840[03:10:17] <Jaro> ohhh ok my apologies
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841[03:10:29] <Jaro> so that is why it removed the desktop?
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842[03:10:34] <somiaj> Jaro: but you are now just being noise.
You have been told the issue, but don't be so confortational
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843[03:11:00] <Jaro> I'm still ntio sure you are correct.
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844[03:11:00] <somiaj> Jaro: I told you above why it removed the
desktop (it was due to the meta package being removed because you
had a conflict between the driver version in jessie-backports and
jessie)
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845[03:11:04] <Jaro> but ok i'll try it....
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846[03:11:05] <jml2> somiaj, fwiw between you and me i actually
installed steam last week
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847[03:11:12] <Jaro> doesn't make sense to me. but ok....so
be it.
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848[03:11:41] <Jaro> jml2, and so you installed the 32 bit
driver from the backports?
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849[03:11:41] <somiaj> Jaro: when you have both jessie and
jessie-backports enabled apt has to decide which package to install.
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850[03:11:44] <Jaro> i mean lib
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851[03:11:54] <Jaro> somiaj, ohhhhh
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852[03:12:06] <Jaro> so thats what it was i should of disabled
the backport repo immediately after installing the driver
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853[03:12:13] <somiaj> Jaro: apt will default to the version
from jessie, but you need the version from jessie-backports (As I
keep saying). Which can be installed by running 'apt-get -t
jessie-backports install libgl1-nvidia-glx:386'
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854[03:12:31] <somiaj> Jaro: no. YOu need to tell apt to isntall
the jessie-backports version to match the one you want to use
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855[03:12:43] <Jaro> ok sorry for my outburst
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856[03:12:45] <somiaj> Jaro: i.e. you want to install the 352
version, not the version in jessie as you said eariler.
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858[03:13:36] <Jaro> still doesn't make sense to me, but I
shall see lol
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859[03:13:58] <Jaro> i'm starting to wonder now if i
catually installed the amd one by accident haha
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860[03:14:08] <somiaj> Jaro: it is due to how packages depend on
one another. And debian won't allow you to install two
different versions of the nvidia drivers.
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862[03:14:12] <Jaro> libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386
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864[03:14:19] <Jaro> that might cause the problem i had...lol
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866[03:14:22] <Jaro> but i'm not sure i did that.
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867[03:14:49] <somiaj> Jaro: you have been told your answer, no
please refrain from all this noise. The ops are watching and being
paitent.
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868[03:14:50] <Jaro> somiaj, it doesn't make sense to me i
would need to install the library from the backports, what diff does
it make?
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869[03:15:06] <Jaro> I think now maybe i installed the amd one
by accident which screwed everything up.
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870[03:15:17] <Jaro> its only thing i can think of right now...
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872[03:15:26] <Jaro> somiaj, well tks for getting me thinking
anyways....
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873[03:15:31] <Jaro> lol
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874[03:15:34] <markybob> yep. another on /ignore...
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875[03:15:34] <somiaj> Jaro: no. The version in jessie is 340.96
and the version in jessie-backports is 352.79 (that is differnt
right)?
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878[03:15:41] <IdleGandalf> markybob, indeed
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879[03:15:50] <Jaro> somiaj, you are not understaind, but tks
for joggine my though process
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881[03:16:04] <Jaro> i believe what happened is, when i got to
that step, I installed the wrong libary. i installed amd's
instead of nvidia.
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882[03:16:23] <Jaro> i probably copy and pasted the wrong thing
in a rush
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883[03:16:27] <Jaro> just like i hit y in a rush lol
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884[03:16:29] <Jaro> doh!
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885[03:16:32] <somiaj> Jaro: anyways, I've taken to much
tiem with this. Its time you move on and go fit your problem.
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886[03:16:37] * jml2 wonders how fglrx is an nvidia driver
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887[03:16:40] <Jaro> somiaj, tks for trying.
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888[03:16:45] <Jaro> jml2, it obviously isn't, fucktard
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889[03:17:04] <Jaro> the 32 bit lib is alos not nescessary for
driver, only for steam.
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891[03:17:29] <markybob> Jaro: i don't even like jml2 but
he's not the fucktard here. c'mon.
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897[03:17:48] <somiaj> Jaro: last warning, come back when you
have cooled of and can use better langauge.
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900[03:18:19] <jml2> too much hate is not a good thing in
general
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901[03:18:36] <jml2> it only works and divides users... so
better to ignore poison i suppose
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tries to install apache2
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914[03:28:45] <nurupo> how can i make it use nginx and stop
trying to install apache2?
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916[03:29:08] <somiaj> nurupo: it has a hard depends on
libapache2-mod-php5 so not easily
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917[03:29:24] <somiaj> nurupo: you will probabaly have to build
your own package.
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918[03:29:29] <nurupo> somiaj: it says "or php5"
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919[03:29:36] <jmcnaught> nurupo: it looks like it depends on
libapache2-mod-php5 | php5, so just install the php5 package
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920[03:29:48] <nurupo> welp, php2 requires apache
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921[03:29:53] <somiaj> nurupo: duh, seems you need to have
someting provide php5
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922[03:29:56] <nurupo> *php5
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923[03:30:09] <nurupo> hm
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924[03:30:09] <somiaj> nurupo: try this --no-install-recommends
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925[03:30:26] <somiaj> nurupo: if you have something providing
php5 I also notice that apache2 is a recommended package which are
installed by default.
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926[03:30:27] <nurupo> sudo apt-get install roundcube-core
--no-install-recommends
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927[03:30:32] <jmcnaught> nurupo: php5 depends on
libapache2-mod-php5 OR php5-cgi
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928[03:30:38] <somiaj> nurupo: I think the flag goes eariler
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930[03:31:09] <somiaj> there is a list of recommended packages
and nginx is not in the list
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931[03:31:20] <nurupo> well, apache2 is not recommended, is
required, so that flag doesn't do much
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932[03:31:38] <nurupo> i will try resolving that php5 dependency
madness
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933[03:31:43] <afernandez_> Hello I am trying to remove the
following but i am unable to, any help please?
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934[03:31:45] <afernandez_>
replaced-url
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935[03:31:46] <somiaj> (no nevermind there is an or httpd-cgi
which is what nginx-full should provided.. I should read more
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936[03:31:49] <jmcnaught> actually having php5-fpm installed
should be enough for the php5 package
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937[03:32:18] <markybob> php5 has no apache requirement.
everything jmcnaught has said has been correct.
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938[03:32:19] <jml2> nurupo, i think you're incorrect, here
it shows it as a recommends (apt-cache show roundcube-core)
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939[03:32:27] <jml2> nurupo, here shows me that it is a
recommends
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940[03:32:56] <nurupo> jml2: well, that flag didn't remove
apache2 for me
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941[03:32:58] <markybob> afernandez_: yeah, we still remember
you're not running debian
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942[03:33:02] <somiaj> afernandez_: seems there is an error in
the setup script for nagios-nrpe-server that you may have to track
down.
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943[03:33:30] <jmcnaught> nurupo: are you using php5-fpm?
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944[03:33:31] <somiaj> afernandez_: the post install script
(line 24) that is erroring out can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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945[03:33:41] <markybob> afernandez_: no matter how often you
come back, if you're not using debian, this isn't the
place
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946[03:33:42] <afernandez_> I see Thank you somj
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947[03:33:51] <nurupo> jmcnaught: just installed it. i'm
getting too many replies on irc to do anything i nthe vm
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949[03:34:59] <nurupo> jmcnaught: installed php5-fpm,
roundcube-core still tries to install apache2
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952[03:35:24] <jmcnaught> nurupo: is the php5 package installed?
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954[03:36:12] <nurupo> jmcnaught: that solved the issue, no more
apache2
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958[03:37:25] <jmcnaught> nurupo: hurray! i figured this one out
by looking at the dependencies and recommends for each package with
"apt-cache show". roundcube-core requires
libapache2-mod-php5 OR php5. php5 requires libapache2-mod-php5 OR
php5-fpm (or others)
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960[03:37:58] <nurupo> jmcnaught: yeah, so did i. installing
php5 and php5-fpm is what i was going to do when i said
<nurupo> i will try resolving that php5 dependency madness
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961[03:38:11] <nurupo> thanks anyway
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962[03:38:11] <markybob> btw the | = "or"
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963[03:38:14] <ryouma> /var/run says no space left on device.
what does this usually indicate? must i reboot to clear it?
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965[03:38:25] <nurupo> too much help :)
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966[03:38:26] <ryouma> nothing stands out as taking up the space
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967[03:38:47] <ryouma> df says /run is 100%
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968[03:39:06] <ryouma> (apologies for multi-line) the error was
WARNING: Could not close lockfile /var/run/rsnapshot.pid: No space
left on device
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971[03:39:54] <somiaj> ryouma: how much space is it actually
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972[03:40:04] <somiaj> ryouma: my /run is only 17M
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976[03:40:25] <somiaj> ryouma: I'd check /run/user as that
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979[03:41:20] <ryouma> ah, 795 /run/atop/atop.acct
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980[03:41:26] <ryouma> didn't even know i had atop
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981[03:42:27] <neet_> Can someone help me getting this command
to execute at startup? I appended "xinput set-button-map 8 1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 1" without quotes to my rc.local file and restarted
the machine but the command didn't get executed. Is there
something I need to do differently?
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983[03:43:43] <somiaj> neet_: how do you run your xserver?
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984[03:43:54] <somiaj> neet_: you want to use startup apps
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987[03:44:28] <jml2> neet_, i use a startup similar where I lke
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988[03:44:35] <neet_> Okay so is there another file I should
append this to?
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989[03:45:14] <jml2> neet_, your desktop should have a startup
facility -- it really depends on the desktop, but three's a
generic ~/.xsessionrc i think
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990[03:45:16] <somiaj> neet_: If you were using .xsession to run
your desktop/wm I would put it there. If you aren't using
.xsession then I woudl put it as a startup script that gets run
using your desktops normal startup commands/scripts.
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993[03:46:11] <jml2> neet_, if you want it for all users, you
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994[03:46:36] <jml2> neet_, that directory is used by all
desktops
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995[03:47:08] <jml2> neet_, but if you want it for your desktop
only in particular -- you have to find out if ~/.xsessionrc works,
or check for <>/autostart somewhere
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996[03:49:19] <neet_> Okay, thank you so much guys, I will look
into your suggestions.
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1209[05:55:36] <deb> afernandez_, ?
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1212[05:56:44] <nat0> !!
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1213[05:56:44] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
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1217[05:56:58] <nat0> these are not the ttys you're looking
for
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1219[05:57:36] <Lugal> how can I compress all folders from one
directory into different tar.xz archives with a terminal command?
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1223[05:58:34] <deb> Lugal, tar -zcvf "file.tar.gz"
"/path/to/directory"
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1225[05:59:13] <markybob> no. not even close
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1226[05:59:33] <deb> no?
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1227[06:00:16] <nat0> find <directory> -type d -exec tar
-cf <tarfile.name> {} \;
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1228[06:00:28] <nat0> that should do them each individually
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1229[06:00:39] <markybob> Lugal: this should do it
replaced-url
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1230[06:00:49] <deb> ahh, individually? thats what he wants?
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1231[06:00:59] <nat0> i think so
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1235[06:03:27] <Lugal> nat0 to tar.xz?
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1236[06:04:06] <markybob> you should use tar.xa on modern systems
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1237[06:04:10] <markybob> tar.xz*
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1238[06:04:26] <markybob> debian does. redhat does. kerne.org
does
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1239[06:04:31] <Lugal> and yes, i want compress each folder
individually
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1240[06:04:38] <Lugal> ok
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1241[06:04:51] <jmcnaught> Lugal: you just need to add a J to the
"-cf" in the above find command
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1243[06:04:52] <aypea[2]> unless you want speed, in which case
pbzip2 is your friend :)
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1245[06:05:09] <Lugal> -cf will make tar.xz automatically?
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1246[06:05:13] <Lugal> J=xz?
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1248[06:05:25] <jmcnaught> Lugal: so it says in the tar man page
:)
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1251[06:07:13] <Lugal> so its "-cfJ" or
"-Jcf"?
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1262[06:08:41] <markybob> if you use - f needs to be last
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1267[06:10:52] <Lugal> ah, so -cJf?
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1270[06:12:01] <Lugal> nat0, and each archive should have the
same name as folder +tar.xz
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1271[06:12:09] <markybob> Lugal: right
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1282[06:20:56] <Sean_A91> Hello all, I'm running into a bit
of an issue on a new install of Debian, running on a virtulbox
instance, when I try to run npm install, it hangs and eventually
throws an etimedout error, The iptables are all wide open, and I can
ping the IP and
replaced-url
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1283[06:20:56] <Sean_A91> Perhaps someone in here who is more
familiar with Debian than I am, has any idea as to why this
wouldn't work?
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1286[06:23:16] <markybob> ,v npm
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1287[06:23:17] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch:
1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
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1288[06:23:31] <markybob> so there you go. it's in debian
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1291[06:24:20] <Sean_A91> I'm sorry, markybob? What do you
mean?
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1292[06:24:30] <Sean_A91> I already have it installed, that
isn't the issue
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1293[06:24:48] <markybob> i guess i misunderstood
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1294[06:24:55] <Sean_A91> that's fine! Thanks though
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1295[06:25:02] <Sean_A91> npm is a package manager, it's
installs other packages
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1296[06:25:14] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: are you using the version
from Debian, or the one from upstream or nodesource.com or
something? Can you access that URL with w3m or wget?
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1297[06:25:14] <Sean_A91> npm install is the command for
installing the package
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1302[06:26:21] <Sean_A91> I am using the version of NPM that
comes with node 6.20 from nodesource.com
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1303[06:26:42] <Sean_A91> let me look into w3m and wget and
i'll give it a shot, ty and brb
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1316[06:33:39] <Sean_A91> jmcnaught: Thanks, looked into those, I
don't quite think those would work, but I tried wget anyways
and it hung just like npm install
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1320[06:35:16] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: i get a JSON response with
"w3m
replaced-url
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1324[06:35:53] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: on the VBox host's OS,
can you access that URL in a browser? Can the Debian VM access any
network resources?
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1325[06:36:18] <Sean_A91> Yes I tried that on the host, NPM runs
just fine, and I get a json from going to that
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1328[06:36:30] <Sean_A91> I'm trying W3m now and nothing is
loading
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1329[06:36:36] <Sean_A91> "Opening socket" is all it
says
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1333[06:37:05] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: can you access anything else
from the VM right now?
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1336[06:37:34] <Sean_A91> w3m google.com gets the same result,
hanging on opening the socket
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1342[06:39:21] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: how are you connected to the
VM, by SSH or the VBox console? You could try "ifdown eth0
&& ifup eth0" (or whatever interface name you're
using
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1346[06:39:57] <Sean_A91> I'm currently using a console
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1348[06:40:20] <Sean_A91> but i'm also connected to it
through an FTP externally, with my network IP
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1349[06:40:31] <Sean_A91> i can also ping google.com
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1351[06:41:54] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: have you set up a firewall?
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1353[06:43:07] <Sean_A91> jmcnaught: i have not setup any
firewalls, and my iptables are all at their default, all says
"ACCEPT" for their policy, inbound and outbound
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1355[06:43:59] <Sean_A91> Also I have disabled my belkin
router's firewall
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1361[06:47:38] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: traceroute has a -T option
to use TCP, you could try and see where things are getting held up
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1363[06:48:21] <Sean_A91> Interesting, ty, i'll try that
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1366[06:49:06] <tensorpudding> How does one start a service that
only has a sysvinit startup script in systemd?
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1367[06:49:46] <jmcnaught> tensorpudding: you can treat them the
same as services that have service units, systemd is backwards
compatible with LSB init scripts
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1368[06:49:47] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, what are you using for DNS?
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1370[06:50:18] <tensorpudding> jmcnaught: I thought so, but I
can't figure out the right invocation of systemctl.
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1372[06:50:51] <jmcnaught> tensorpudding: "systemctl start
service"
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1373[06:50:58] <tensorpudding> Oh, I was mispelling the service.
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1374[06:51:12] <tensorpudding> apcupsd is really hard to spell, I
keep wanting to start it like ACPI.
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1375[06:51:13] <mi11k1> haha, nice
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1377[06:51:21] <mi11k1> use tab
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1379[06:51:41] <Sean_A91> mi11k1: I honestly don't know,
whatever is my default
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1380[06:51:51] <Sean_A91> but i'm trying out a setting
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1381[06:51:56] <Sean_A91> i'm thinking this is a virtualbox
issue
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1384[06:52:09] <mi11k1> are you bridging?
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1385[06:52:11] <Sean_A91> traceroute returned nothing but "
* * *"
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1386[06:52:14] <mi11k1> or nat?
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1387[06:52:17] <Sean_A91> Yes I have a bridged adapter
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1388[06:52:24] <mi11k1> try nat
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1389[06:52:36] <Sean_A91> I can connect to my server over the
router just fine too
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1392[06:53:00] <mi11k1> is your VM using NM?
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1393[06:53:10] <Sean_A91> Sorry, what is NM?
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1394[06:53:16] <mi11k1> network-manager
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1396[06:53:35] <Sean_A91> I honestly do not know
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1397[06:53:40] <mi11k1> ok,
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1398[06:53:46] <Sean_A91> Switching to Nat
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1399[06:53:54] <mi11k1> what are you failing to connect to?
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1400[06:54:19] <Sean_A91> I can ping, but "w3m
google.com" fails, and what i'm trying to do is use NPM
install
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1401[06:54:33] <mi11k1> why the caps?
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1403[06:54:42] <Sean_A91> no reason
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1404[06:54:47] <Sean_A91> I type it in as "npm install"
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1405[06:54:47] <mi11k1> ok
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1409[06:55:11] <mi11k1> edit /etc/network/interfaces in the VM
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1410[06:55:29] <mi11k1> and try adding dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8
8.8.4.4
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1412[06:55:38] <mi11k1> at the end of your eth0
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1413[06:55:46] <mi11k1> or whatevr iface yer using
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1415[06:56:27] <jmcnaught> mi11k1: Sean_A91 wasn't having
DNS failures, why do you think this would help?
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1417[06:56:35] <mi11k1> are you using oracle with the addons
installed on your host?
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1418[06:56:50] <mi11k1> i dunno, i always use googles dns
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1419[06:57:29] <mi11k1> im not even sure if i understand whaat
his problem is really
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1420[06:57:32] <Sean_A91> Yeah, I follow debian's manuals on
installed the addons for virtualbox
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1421[06:57:41] <Sean_A91> TCP is failing basically
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1423[06:57:47] <jmcnaught> i don't like configuring google
DNS on any system, i want them all to use the router's instance
of dnsmasq so local machines can all resolve each other
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1424[06:57:48] <Sean_A91> but I can still ping
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1425[06:58:04] <Sean_A91> starting up the VM with NAT
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1426[06:58:06] <mi11k1> pastebin the ouput of the fail
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1427[06:58:14] <mi11k1> output*
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1428[06:58:18] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: what OS is the host? You
might be better off getting networking help in #vbox
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1429[06:58:53] <Sean_A91> Yeah I just wasnt honestly sure if this
was a vbox or debian issue at first
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1431[06:59:00] <Sean_A91> now i'm almost positive it's
vbox...
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1432[06:59:03] <mjmo> he guys
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1433[06:59:05] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, if youre messing about with
npm, look into docker
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1434[06:59:20] <mi11k1> docker pull
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1435[06:59:21] <mjmo> why is systemd listening on 443?
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1437[06:59:46] <jmcnaught> mjmo: maybe for a .socket associated
with a .service that listend on 443?
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1438[06:59:50] <mjmo> nginx says it cant start a https server on
443
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1439[07:00:13] <mjmo> jmcnaught: its driving me nuts..
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1441[07:00:31] <Sean_A91> Do you have anything like apache
installed?
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1442[07:00:31] <mi11k1> thats too bad, i like port 443
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1443[07:00:33] <jmcnaught> mjmo: how are you starting nginx?
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1444[07:01:11] <mi11k1> nmap localhost?
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1445[07:01:39] <mjmo> jmcnaught: using systemctl
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1446[07:01:46] <mi11k1> systemctl info nginx or whatever
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1447[07:02:02] <mjmo> nginx works fine,
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1448[07:02:23] <mjmo> i couldnt figure out why apache can bind
443
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1449[07:02:32] <mjmo> while nginx could not
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1451[07:02:48] <mi11k1> then youre probably missing some packages
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1452[07:02:50] <Sean_A91> mi11k1: Switching to nat instead of
bridged worked, thanks. but now I can't connect to it with
FTP.... I had originally switched to that to fix my FTP issue XD
I'll figure that out now, networking is not my forte, I
don't really even know what these different adapters mean TBH
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1453[07:02:52] <mi11k1> or something
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1454[07:02:56] <mjmo> and when apache is running on 443, i get
random cert error
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1456[07:03:06] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, make another iface
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1457[07:03:38] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, is your ftp LAN?
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1458[07:03:52] <mi11k1> or outside?
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1459[07:03:53] <jmcnaught> mjmo: do you need apache running?
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1460[07:04:18] <Sean_A91> it's all done on the same pc
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1461[07:04:30] <mi11k1> is it another VM, the ftp?
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1462[07:04:34] <Sean_A91> nah
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1463[07:04:45] <Sean_A91> The ftp client is on the host
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1464[07:04:52] <Sean_A91> the server is on the VM
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1465[07:04:54] <mi11k1> okay, add another iface on your lans
subnet
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1466[07:05:20] <mi11k1> make another iface thats bridged
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1468[07:05:28] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: #vbox can probably help you
configure bridge networking
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1469[07:05:33] <mi11k1> shouldnt have to, but
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1470[07:06:01] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, dmesg might give you some info
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1471[07:06:22] <Sean_A91> Yeah I won't bother you folks with
this anymore, Thanks for the suggestion mi11k1
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1472[07:06:25] <mjmo> jmcnaught: i saw a https service running on
443
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1474[07:06:35] <mjmo> but i didnt start any web server
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1475[07:06:57] <mjmo> nmap tells me im running https on that port
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1477[07:07:35] <mi11k1> well, something is there
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1478[07:08:01] <mi11k1> webmin?
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1479[07:08:07] <mi11k1> is that using it?
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1480[07:08:08] <mjmo> how do i find out what program is using it?
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1481[07:08:14] <mjmo> webmin?
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1482[07:08:48] <mi11k1> do systemctl apache2 stop
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1483[07:08:56] <mi11k1> do systemctl nginx stop
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1484[07:09:03] <mi11k1> then nmap, i dunno
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1487[07:09:21] <mjmo> mi11k1: its started by 1/init
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1488[07:09:32] <mi11k1> check /etc/default/
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1489[07:09:39] <mjmo> but why the hell init is using 443?
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1493[07:09:55] <mjmo> it even put a cert in there
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1494[07:10:05] <mjmo> fk...
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1495[07:10:10] <mi11k1> i dont know anything about that stuff
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1496[07:10:33] <jmcnaught> mjmo: netstat -tlpn | grep 443
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1497[07:11:17] <mjmo> jmcnaught: yes i did that
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1498[07:11:26] <mjmo> and it says init/1
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1499[07:11:39] <mjmo> i dont understand...
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1500[07:12:05] <mjmo> the service fingerprint contains something
like VPN
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1501[07:12:16] <mjmo> enter your username or something
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1502[07:12:29] <jmcnaught> mjmo: systemctl list-units -t socket
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1503[07:12:52] <mjmo> wait... I think i kinda figured it out
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1504[07:13:11] <mjmo> i might have set ocserv on 443...
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1505[07:13:18] <mjmo> hell...
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1508[07:13:57] <mjmo> what.. its 444
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1511[07:15:06] <jmcnaught> mjmo: when you look at the list of
sockets, you can check each one for "ListenStream=443"
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1514[07:17:11] <mjmo> jmcnaught: i see nothing on 443
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1516[07:17:23] <mjmo> ocserv.socket is on 444
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1518[07:17:46] <mjmo> after killing it i could not 443 free
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1521[07:18:54] <jmcnaught> mjmo: so netstat says init/1 listens
on the port, but you cannot find an active socket unit that listens
to it? Can you put the output of "systemctl list-units -t
socket" in a paste?
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1522[07:19:07] <mjmo> jmcnaught: sure
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1527[07:20:32] <mjmo> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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1533[07:23:25] <jmcnaught> mjmo: what does "systemctl show
ocserv.socket | grep Listen" say?
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1535[07:24:07] <mjmo>
replaced-url
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1536[07:24:12] <mjmo> holy shit...
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1537[07:24:19] <mjmo> its on 443!
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1540[07:25:24] <jmcnaught> mjmo: so i don't know where you
got this ocserv, but the way socket activation works in systemd is
you make a socket unit, tell it the port/UDS, then you make a
service unit with the same name. systemd listed on the port defined
in the socket, and starts the service when there's activity
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1542[07:25:52] <mjmo> jmcnaught: netstat shows ocserv is on 444
not 443
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1543[07:25:59] <jmcnaught> mjmo: so if you're using
something that's socket activated like this, you need to change
the port in the service's own config, and in it's socket
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1544[07:26:03] <mjmo> why does it listen on 443 anyway
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1545[07:26:18] <jmcnaught> mjmo: yes, you have configured systemd
to listen on port 443, read what i said above
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1546[07:26:26] <mjmo> i see
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1547[07:26:33] <mjmo> its weird...
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1548[07:26:48] <jmcnaught> mjmo: it allows systemd to not start
something until it's needed
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1549[07:27:35] <mjmo> jmcnaught: thank you, i will ask someone in
ocserv channel
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1550[07:28:10] <jmcnaught> mjmo: you likely just need to redefine
these two directives in a file in
/etc/systemd/systemd/ocserv.socket.d/
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1551[07:28:45] <mjmo> jmcnaught: okay, i will check that
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1554[07:30:11] <jmcnaught> mjmo: for example
/etc/systemd/systemd/ocserv.socket.d/ports.conf, and then use the
two lines from your
replaced-url
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1556[07:31:16] <mjmo> jmcnaught: thank you, its all solved!
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1557[07:31:26] <mjmo> now nginx is running fine
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1559[07:31:49] <mjmo> i changed the listen stream to 446
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1560[07:32:06] <jmcnaught> mjmo: sweet!
replaced-url
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1563[07:33:12] <mjmo> jmcnaught: cool, i will read that
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1564[07:34:07] <mi11k1> i should read that too
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1569[07:36:26] <mi11k1> if i wanted to run a bare minimum X, so i
could use chromium is kiosk mode or node-webkit, webian or whatever,
what is the best way? right now, i install slim,xorg, and openbox
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1571[07:36:57] <mi11k1> just because thats what i know
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1572[07:36:59] <w3bcrawler> hey guys, what's the proper way
to add something to my PATH? it seems I've appended the desired
directory to all of the config files I could find and the changes
aren't taking effect
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1574[07:37:16] <mi11k1> logout and log back in
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1575[07:37:24] <w3bcrawler> tried that
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1576[07:37:58] <jmcnaught> mi11k1: i recommend using chromium or
iceweasel/firefox-esr. all of the other browsers on jessie are not
covered by security support
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1577[07:37:59] <mi11k1> export PATH=/some/path:$PATH
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1583[07:39:22] <mi11k1> jmcnaught, its just for internal stuff,
but what do i need for X and wm or what?
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1584[07:39:27] <w3bcrawler> do i add that to ~/.profile ?
~/.bashrc ? /etc/profile ? ~/.bash_profile ?
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1586[07:39:40] <mi11k1> i use .bashrc, im pretty newb
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1587[07:39:47] <w3bcrawler> cuz i'm pretty sure i've
tried each one
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1588[07:39:47] <mi11k1> seems to work
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1591[07:40:14] <mi11k1> ~/.bashrc i usually do, i guess it
depends on the circumstances
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1592[07:40:18] <mi11k1> of the case
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1593[07:40:39] <mi11k1> i read some stuff on it recently, and im
unclear still
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1594[07:40:47] <jmcnaught> w3bcrawler: ~/.bashrc for the type of
shell (interactive) that you get in a terminal emulator in X.
~/.profile for the type of shell (login) you get when on a tty
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1595[07:41:12] <mi11k1> nice, really?
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1598[07:41:27] <mi11k1> that explains a few things
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1602[07:42:02] <w3bcrawler> brb
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1606[07:42:47] <jmcnaught> mi11k1: see the INVOCATION section of
the bash man page
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1609[07:43:27] <w3bcrawler> shit.. total brain fart. who helped
me?
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1610[07:43:47] <w3bcrawler> i need to know who to send my
firstborn to
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1611[07:43:49] <w3bcrawler> <3
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1617[07:45:39] <w3bcrawler> one last question, where can I run a
terminal command so that it takes effect prior to X's login
screen?
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1618[07:46:08] <mutante> /etc/rc.local ? me hides,, just joined
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1619[07:47:27] <mutante> w3bcrawler: i have this in /etc/rc.local
from back in the days:
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1620[07:47:34] <mutante> # don't want bluetooth
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1621[07:47:34] <mutante> echo disable >
/proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth
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1622[07:47:59] <w3bcrawler> thx bud, i'll give that a shot
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1623[07:48:44] <w3bcrawler> brb
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1672[08:21:59] <w3bcrawler> mutante: apparently i can't use
that program in rc.local since the x server needs to be started :|
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1674[08:22:24] <w3bcrawler> so now i'm trying to find a way
to run the command after X starts, but before I login
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1675[08:22:28] <w3bcrawler> (xrandr)
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1799[09:27:14] <jr91> Hello, I have a geforce 6150se in an old
computer, was getting graphics crashes with nouveau drivers so
installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver from apt-get. My resolution is
stuck at 640x480, can anyone help?
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1800[09:27:45] <babilen> How did you install and configure it?
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1804[09:29:01] <jr91> Installed through apt-get, used
nvidia-xconfig after installation to auto
configure/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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1805[09:29:53] <jr91> @babilen
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1814[09:33:26] <jr91> babilen: I am also getting occasional
flickering when I open a new window
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1815[09:33:28] <babilen> jr91: I don't like nvidia-xconfig
as it creates a huge monolithic configuration that really isn't
necessary. You might want to check
replaced-url
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1817[09:33:50] <babilen> You did reboot the box, didn't you?
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1820[09:34:29] <jr91> babilen: yeah I did reboot
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1821[09:35:16] <babilen> Try a minimal config (cf.
replaced-url
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1824[09:36:52] <mi11k1> ohh man
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1825[09:36:59] <mi11k1> good old nvidia
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1832[09:40:33] <jr91> babilen: sorry, will I need to delete my
current xorg.conf and uninstall the legacy driver I have now before
I try this
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1834[09:40:51] <babilen> Oh, you didn't install the dkms
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1835[09:40:51] <jr91> the link for support for legacy gpus says
it installs the legacy driver along with the linux headers
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1836[09:40:59] <jr91> no I did not
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1837[09:41:15] <jr91> apt-get install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
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1838[09:41:17] <jr91> that was it
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1839[09:41:24] <jr91> and the xconfig
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1847[09:42:49] <babilen> That should pull in the dkms module,
shouldn't it? Is it listed as installed (ii) when you run
"dpkg -l nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms" ? Also, what
does "dkms status" and "uname -a" give you?
Anything interesting in the logs? (check "journalctl")
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1848[09:43:18] <babilen> And yes, you would have to remove the
generated xorg.conf and replace it with the minimal
"manual" one
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1850[09:43:54] <babilen> The config generated by nvidida-xconfig
should™ work though
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1852[09:46:04] <jr91> yeah looks like it is installed
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1853[09:46:13] <jr91> dkms status: nvidia-legacy-304xx, 304.131,
3.16.0-4-amd64, x86_64: installed
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1854[09:46:28] <jr91> has ii in dpkg -l command
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1868[09:51:41] <babilen> Great, so it is installed and the module
is present. Try the minimal config and then check the logs. You
might also want to check that your device is actually supported by
that driver. For that run "lspci -nn|grep VGA" and search
for the pciid (alphanumerical identifier in [....] at the end) on
ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.131/README/README.txt
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1871[09:52:06] <babilen> If you could provide a paste of the log
and/or the lspci command that would also help in debugging this
issue
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1880[09:56:46] <jr91> babilen: yes pciid is found in the readme,
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1881[09:57:03] <babilen> Good, that's a start :)
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1882[09:57:03] <jr91> lspci output:
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1883[09:57:04] <jr91> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:
NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] [10de:03d0] (rev
a2)
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1884[09:57:09] <jr91> trying minimal config now
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1909[10:11:57] <ecom> Apt is stuck on a dependency loop. I'm
trying to install libgtk-3-common, but it depends on libgtk-3-0,
which depends on libgtk-3-common. Any fix?
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1920[10:17:32] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
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1921[10:17:32] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1922[10:17:37] <jelly> ecom: ^^
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1931[10:22:09] <ecom> jelly:
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1933[10:23:03] <jelly> oh, you're on sid
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1935[10:23:43] <ecom> I know that there's another IRC
channel for that, but I don't think it's a sid specific
issue
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1936[10:23:46] <jelly> wait until the package gets built for i386
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1937[10:23:55] <jelly> it definitely is
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1942[10:24:23] <jelly> ,v libgtk-3-common --arch i386
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1943[10:24:24] <judd> Package: libgtk-3-common on i386 -- wheezy:
3.4.2-7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie:
3.14.5-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.20.4-1; sid: 3.20.5-2
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1944[10:24:40] <ecom> ??? It's avaialable i386, what are you
talking about?
replaced-url
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1945[10:24:45] <themill> ecom: you don't run sid if you need
packages to be installable at any given instant.
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1946[10:25:09] <jelly> ecom: it's not available in any repo
you have configured.
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1947[10:25:39] <ecom> I don't understand, is there something
wrong with my sources.list?
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1951[10:26:27] <jelly> ecom: not really. This is just how sid
works. Stuff gets broken.
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1954[10:27:14] <ecom> Ok, but I'm looking for a solution
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1955[10:27:24] <jelly> !debian-next
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1956[10:27:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1957[10:27:31] <jelly> ^^ the right place to ask
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1958[10:28:27] <themill> ecom: the solution is either to wait or
not to use sid
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1960[10:28:51] <themill> you might be able to grab the relevant
packages from snapshots but that's going to be quite some grunt
work to get them all
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1962[10:29:46] <jelly> ecom: you could wait, or enable testing
and dowgrade all the src:gtk3 packages to that version, or maybe
build it yourself, the point is when you choose to run sid you have
to able to do that stuff on your own
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1963[10:30:56] <ecom> I literally had libgtk3-0 30 minutes ago. I
was having some issues so I did "apt-get uninstall
libgtk-3-0" and now I can't reinstall the package I just
uninstalled.
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1967[10:31:58] <jr91> babilen: alright so with the minimal config
I'm now getting resolutions up to 1360x768
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1968[10:32:12] <jelly> oh, it's src:gtk+3.0 sorry
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1970[10:33:40] <babilen> jr91: So nvidia-xconfig fucked up?
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1971[10:34:02] <jr91> babilen: that would seem to be the case
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1973[10:34:22] <babilen> jr91: I am not surprised .. Is that the
resolution you want?
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1974[10:34:25] <jr91> but my monitor is 1920x1080 so I'm
still not getting full resolution
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1976[10:34:30] <babilen> ah
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1977[10:34:58] <jr91> should I try adding a mode with xrandr?
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1978[10:35:04] <babilen> What does "xrandr -q" return?
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1979[10:35:30] <jelly> ecom: apt/dpkg logs will show which
specific version you had installed and whether it was the exact same
one that's not available for i386 right now (but is there in
amd64)
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1980[10:35:35] <babilen> And yeah, you could try to add a mode ..
or add sensible modelines for your display if the edid is wrong
(look into read-edid and modelines)
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1981[10:35:47] <jelly> ecom: but really this kind of stuff
happens all the time with sid
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1983[10:35:52] <jr91> it's about 12 lines, should I paste
here or link pastebin
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1984[10:36:13] <babilen> Please use a pastebin such as
replaced-url
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1986[10:36:52] <jr91>
replaced-url
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1989[10:37:33] <jr91> oh just saw the 'please do not
paste' thing at the top
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1991[10:37:36] <jr91> hah
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1995[10:38:23] <babilen> jr91: Obviously some modes are missing
.. you could try the nvidia driver version in jessie-backports (not
sure what changed, but it is slightly newer) first though
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1997[10:39:26] <jr91> babilen: the backports version is what I
had installed first when I couldn't raise the resolution past
640x480
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2011[10:42:41] <vlt> Hello. It’s usually not a goot sign
when you find a directory called /var/cache/apt/archives/pqrtial/,
right?
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2012[10:42:48] <vlt> *good
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2021[10:46:37] <jelly> vlt: that bit flip from a to q is a bit
suspect yes
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2022[10:46:57] <jelly> check your RAM
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2039[10:55:15] <Walakea> why is the clisp package availible only
in wheezy, sid and experimental?
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2042[10:56:27] <jelly> Walakea: that usually indicates it had
been too buggy during the whole jessie freeze and release process
and noone fixed it in time
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2043[10:56:56] <jelly> absence from testing indicates it's
still very buggy
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2044[10:57:19] <jelly> !why is clisp not in testing
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2045[10:57:19] <dpkg> clisp is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
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2048[10:58:19] <Walakea> i did not think that bugginess would be
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2064[11:12:17] <digdilem> fennesz, "stress" is a
command to stress test your computer generally, including cpu health
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2065[11:12:28] <digdilem> although generally, they tend to
"just work" or "just not work"
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2084[11:21:45] <fennesz> digdilem, sry for late response
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2085[11:22:06] <fennesz> digdilem, what do you mean "just
not work"?
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2088[11:22:52] <digdilem> the cpu - most people don't do a
health test, so it' s a fairly unusual question. if a cpu if
dead, it's dead. If it's working, it's working.
There's very rarely any middle ground like "it's
poorly" or "it's not doing what I expect"
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2089[11:23:19] <digdilem> what reason do you have for suspecting
it?
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2098[11:26:41] <fennesz> digdilem, actually I am experiencing
strange high cpu loads with youtube and iceweasel in general . I
have a laptop with 2 graphics cards . I tried to run iceweasel with
intel's integraded gpu and with nvidia , same results
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2101[11:27:50] <digdilem> is that a problem with the cpu, or are
you wanting to see what programs are using the cpu?
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2102[11:28:30] <JarJarBi1ks> Hi. I am trying to write a startup
script, which used to be in inittab. I can see that inittab ,
upstart and systemd is used for this purpose, and different versions
of distributions have switched between these systems. Is there a way
to actually know which of these three systems is being used on the
system I am on. Think of something like sysctl boot.system ... that
should answer systemd or whatever.
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2105[11:28:52] <fennesz> actually I am trying to find out what is
wrong with my system in general , digdilem
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2108[11:29:30] <digdilem> fennesz, htop or top show what's
using cpu (and ram) - good things to start with. iotop can be useful
if there's a lot of disk activity.
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2109[11:29:36] <Walakea> fennesz which CPU do you have?
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2110[11:29:37] <JarJarBi1ks> And yes. I have tried writing
upstart scripts in both inittab, upstart and systemd... but I did
not get any of them to work. So now I try to figure out which of the
upstart scripts I should actually deubg.
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2113[11:30:22] <fennesz> Walakea, i7 - 4700hq
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2114[11:30:23] <Walakea> fennesz and powertop for measuring
energy consumption, and even the --auto-tune option for lowering it
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2124[11:34:49] <Walakea> fennesz i am not sure but you may want
to install backported package xserver-xorg-video-intel
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2125[11:35:19] <fennesz> Walakea,not this already installed byb
official repos?
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2127[11:35:52] <fennesz> Walakea, I am talking about the
xserver-xorg-video-intel driver
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2128[11:36:11] <Walakea> fennesz stable version, in my case did
not support my integrated GPU so i installed backported and it
worked (i have quite new laptop)
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2129[11:36:37] <fennesz> also how can I check for any graphic
driver issues on any logs?
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2131[11:37:31] <Walakea> fennesz i only know about the command
"dmesg"
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2132[11:38:30] <Walakea> fennesz also i got my energy consumption
down a little by installing bbswitch-dkms (apparently nvidia card
was using energy even though it wasnt being used)
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2133[11:38:33] <ebisu> I'd just like to say that after using
Slackware for a long tim, trying anything realted to Debian, or any
of the *buntus has been a heinously displeasurable experience. I can
live with the fact that apt is the worst package manager in the
world of GNU/Linux. I used to use Debian a few years ago and I loved
it. After trying out Devuan I finally realized something. System D
being shit isn't just some stupid meme. Just about every
fucking
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2134[11:38:33] <ebisu> problem in the GNU/Linux world that
I've had can be linked to System D making everything retardedly
complicated and non UNIXy. For the first time I'm using
something related to Debian that I haven't had a terrible time
with. Since Hexchat points me to this channel when I start it I
thought I would let you guys know this.
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2135[11:38:36] <ebisu> System D a shit
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2136[11:39:01] <fennesz> Walakea, ahh good to know
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2138[11:39:20] <fennesz> Walakea, have you installed bumblebee
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2139[11:39:40] <bugzbunny> fennesz: You watching Youtube in
Iceweasel?
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2140[11:40:00] <bugzbunny> Also, video related issues is located
in Xorg.* logs in /var/log
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2141[11:40:12] <Walakea> fennesz yes but i dont use it for
anything because i still did not get my nvidia card to work
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2143[11:40:22] <Walakea> fennesz buying AMD next time
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2145[11:42:00] <Walakea> fennesz proprietary drivers i dont want
to use and they will most probably break my system; nouveau is not
even close to proprietary drivers
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2150[11:44:23] <fennesz> Walakea, ok !
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2151[11:44:56] <Walakea> fennesz how long are you using Debian?
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2152[11:45:42] <fennesz> bugzbunny, yes I am watching youtube on
iceweasel
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2153[11:45:58] <fennesz> Walakea, I have blacklisted nouveau
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2155[11:48:14] <Walakea> fennesz in my case, being idle costs
about 5-6 W, watching youtube video hets it up to about 12 W
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2156[11:48:23] <Walakea> *gets
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2167[11:53:24] <fennesz> Walakea, I get 60C when watching videos
on iceweasel
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2170[11:54:04] <fennesz> Walakea, sometimes even more (65C) .
When watching videos on vlc I get ca 52-55C max
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2171[11:54:42] <Walakea> you mean °C?
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2172[11:54:52] <Walakea> i was talking about watts
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2173[11:55:02] <fennesz> yes talking about temps
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2175[11:55:19] <fennesz> I know you re talking about watts :)
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2177[11:55:39] <bugzbunny> fennesz: More than likely, you are
using Flash
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2178[11:56:14] <Walakea> on debian you can not be using flash
unless you install it
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2179[11:56:14] <fennesz> bugzbunny, ok
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2181[11:56:27] <fennesz> is there a workaround ? I know I can
enable html5
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2182[11:56:39] <fennesz> but there will be flash on other sites
too
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2183[11:56:40] <Walakea> the reason why you can watch youtube
videos without flash is HTML 5
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2185[11:57:20] <Walakea> there is gnash but i was able to live
without any flash
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2186[11:57:57] <fennesz> ok will look into gnash too
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2189[11:58:27] <bugzbunny> fennesz: I am not sure about
Iceweasel, from what I gathered from the Internet, is just Firefox..
Firefox would still have to support the codecs
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2191[11:58:52] <fennesz> bugzbunny, but still use flash?
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2193[11:59:49] <bugzbunny> fennesz: First, I'd like to know
what process is using high cpu usage, verify that it's
iceweasel. Run, top or htop
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2194[12:00:08] <fennesz> ok
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2197[12:01:30] <bugzbunny> As for as HTML5, I am not sure what
backend Iceweasel uses for Media playback, ffmeg or gstreamer. I
suppose you can install both and head to a HTML5 test page. Youtube
should pick it up by default.
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2198[12:02:27] <fennesz> bugzbunny, its iceweasel. I got 250% cpu
once I started iceweasel, then cpu usage dropped to 50, 60% cpu and
stayed at 50% . These with 1 tab open with one youtube video
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2199[12:03:01] <bugzbunny> fennesz: What is the name of the
process that is using 50%?
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2200[12:03:07] <fennesz> temps went also high , at 60oC
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2203[12:04:01] <fennesz> you mean the "command" in top
?
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2205[12:04:13] <fennesz> in that case its iceweasel
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2208[12:05:10] <bugzbunny> Alright, on the youtube page, right
click, does it say HTML5?
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2209[12:05:28] <bugzbunny> Or state something about changing
flash settings?
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2211[12:05:56] <fennesz> bugzbunny, yes its html5
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2212[12:06:33] <bugzbunny> Click stats for nerds
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2213[12:06:53] <fennesz> I knew I had it enabled
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2214[12:06:53] <fennesz> no it says something about html5 player
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2215[12:06:54] <fennesz> also when going forward on the vid cpu
goes to 300% 250% cpu then drops again to 50% . This is while it is
loading and I am hearing the cpu fan spin loud
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2216[12:07:17] <bugzbunny> Ok, click on stats for nerds, and what
is the mime type?
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2218[12:07:49] <fennesz> Ok one moment
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2220[12:08:18] <fennesz> bugzbunny, you need codecs?
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2221[12:09:17] <fennesz> avc1.64001F,mp4a.40.2 bugzbunny
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2222[12:09:17] <fennesz> video/mp4
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2223[12:09:20] <bugzbunny> I'd like to know what codec the
video is playing in
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2226[12:10:12] <fennesz> bugzbunny, the codec is this :
avc1.64001F,mp4a.40.2
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2227[12:10:13] <fennesz> that is what it says anyway
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2228[12:10:13] <fennesz> sry brb bugzbunny
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2230[12:10:21] <bugzbunny> Ok, well, you _are_ already playing in
HTML5 with H.264, which can be GPU accelerated
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2246[12:15:18] <Walakea> fennesz did you reboot after installing
backported intel driver?
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2247[12:15:29] <bugzbunny> The thing is, Intel iGPU are not that
powerful, and will raise the temp for any application that uses it.
That's unavoidable but 50-250% cpu usage could be a bug in
Iceweasel. I would try to use Iceweasel with a *new* profile and see
if you can reproduce it.
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2276[12:30:15] <antZero> Is there a way to set custom dpi on
different applications? e.g. 96 dpi for firefox and 72 dpi for xorg
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2285[12:35:40] <Epakai> no, are you dealing with a high dpi
display?
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2289[12:37:36] <JyZyXEL> why do you have to choose a static DPI
setting in Xorg anyways?
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2290[12:38:03] <Epakai> because dpi is fixed... and xorg is old
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2291[12:38:06] <JyZyXEL> like where do 72x72, 92x92 and 120x120
DPI even come from?
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2293[12:38:43] <Epakai> ideally your monitor tells it's
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2294[12:38:52] <JyZyXEL> and what DPI am i supposed to use with a
monitor that has a PPI of 108.79?
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2295[12:39:10] <antZero> xorg on 96 is good but firefox on 96
looks huge and horrible
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2296[12:39:26] <antZero> on 72 the situation is reversed
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replaced-url
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2430[13:40:28] <Marqin> Hello, is there some known bug in
wheezy's bridging? I've multiple VMs birdged using brctl.
On one of them there is samba server. And when some users starts
fastly/excesivelly move files on it whole server's network die
( also on VM host! )
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2431[13:40:37] <VietnamFlashback>
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MOORNNINNG VIEETNAMMM!!!
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2433[13:41:01] <Marqin> also, no errors in syslog,kern, messages,
daemon, etc.
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2455[13:52:15] <fennesz> Walakea, sry had to dc
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2461[13:55:01] <fennesz> Walakea, like I said I just reinstalled
the intel video driver and yes I rebooted next
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2468[13:57:08] <fennesz> Walakea, I have not jessie-backports on
my sources.list
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2471[13:57:30] <Walakea> then you need to add it
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2473[13:57:53] <Walakea> fennesz how much are familiar with
Debian and package managing?
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2477[13:59:05] <fennesz> Walakea, I can add jessie-backports on
my sources list .But would like to go with the stable packages .
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2478[13:59:08] <fennesz> Am I wrong?
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2480[13:59:31] <Brunetty> I created a dir in /var/replaced-url
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2482[14:00:12] <Walakea> fennesz backports are intended to work
with stable systems
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2486[14:00:38] <fennesz> Walakea, what if I need to uninstall the
driver . Will I loose my display?
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2487[14:01:17] <Walakea> fennesz i guess so, but you surely will
be able to install the stable version again
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2488[14:01:19] <fennesz> Also will it override the current
installed driver automatically or is there anything special about
this ?
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2490[14:01:47] <Walakea> fennesz newer versions always override
older versions
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2492[14:01:53] <fennesz> I am worried cause I had some trouble
installing optimus - bumblebee
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2493[14:02:05] <fennesz> Walakea, ah ok good to know
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2497[14:02:18] <Walakea> fennesz i had issues installing nvidia
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2501[14:02:55] <Walakea> fennesz fortunately there is crtl + alt
+ [F1 - F6]
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2503[14:03:09] <Walakea> F7 for GUI
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2505[14:03:15] <fennesz> Walakea, I had also problems installing
ati drivers on my desktop ...
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2508[14:03:24] <fennesz> ok
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2510[14:03:41] <Walakea> i think backported intel should not
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2511[14:03:42] <fennesz> I will try your suggestion as soon I get
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2515[14:04:45] <Walakea> also make sure to install powertop, it
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2538[14:11:26] <fennesz> Walakea, Ok will do
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2539[14:11:40] <fennesz> appreciate your help Walakea
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2654[15:00:02] <safinaskar> FinalX: oops, sorry :)
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2657[15:00:35] <FinalX> forgot which one though, otfc or
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2825[16:10:24] <Arcanos> Hello people
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2832[16:11:47] <joze> Hi person.
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2843[16:17:41] <antZero> Hi
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2852[16:20:59] <Arcanos> I am running an email server
Postfix/Dovecot. I had solved the problem with securing the IMAP
connection (ie: Requiring an SSL/TLS connection before
authenticating) Now I need to set the server to require an SSL/LTS
connection and to authenticate to the server before being able to
send an outgoing email. (
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2853[16:20:59] <Arcanos> authenticate, I am currently doing that
with the system firewall, but I am assuuming that this is not best
practice.
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2869[16:25:43] <plasmoduck> How do I see what model motherboard I
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2871[16:26:02] <plasmoduck> Im guessing dmesg
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2877[16:29:03] <FinalX> plasmoduck: that's difficult I
think, I doubt it's given to the OS in most cases, Supermicro
doesn't, for example; I like "lshw" myself
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2969[17:10:28] <LeLutin> I'm getting an error about expired
GPG key when using archive.debian.org for grabbing squeeze packages,
and that blocks the source from being useful at all. is there a way
to tell apt-get to bypass the gpg verification?
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2977[17:11:37] <FinalX> LeLutin: It does not get updates at all
since february 29, 2016
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2979[17:11:56] <thms_work> LeLutin, just add the key apt-key add
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2981[17:12:16] <FinalX> thms_work: won't work, the
repository is signed with the old key, and the old key is expired
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2982[17:12:28] <LeLutin> FinalX: right, because it,s not
supported. but the point of archive.d.o is to be able to download
old stuff without being blocked by expired keys, no?
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2983[17:13:07] <FinalX> sure, but the archive is not blocking
you, outdated software with outdated signing keys are, the packages
will never be resigned with a new key
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2984[17:13:16] <FinalX> however, you _can_ pass
--allow-unauthenticated to apt-get
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2989[17:13:30] <FinalX> or, set APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated
"true"; in something in /etc/apt/conf.d/
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2990[17:13:36] <thms_work> FinalX, ah, alright
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2991[17:14:01] <FinalX> needless to say, it might be wise to
upgrade if possible
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2992[17:14:08] <LeLutin> FinalX: tried that, didn't help
unfortunately :\
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2994[17:14:29] <FinalX> LeLutin: what about APT{Ignore
{"gpg-pubkey"; }}; ?
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2996[17:14:54] <FinalX> or the previous one in the other format:
APT { Get { AllowUnauthenticated "1"; }; };
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2999[17:15:39] <FinalX> (.... and if it works, and you're
going to upgrade, do not forget to remove them)
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3000[17:15:48] <LeLutin> ok I'll try this
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3003[17:16:54] <FinalX> if none of those work, I don't think
I'll be able to help you out any further, so I hope they do :)
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3023[17:21:53] <zege> clear
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3024[17:22:05] <LeLutin> FinalX: the options didn't change
the situation, but I saw that the source was getting squeeze-lts
from archive.d.o. changed that to squeeze and it worked
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3025[17:22:28] <LeLutin> so it's -lts that's
"acting up" on archive.d.o
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3039[17:28:51] <monsterco> how do I know what is using my memory
on my debian server? swap has kicked in and it's pretty slow
but i want to know the cause
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3043[17:29:15] <simonlnu> !ram
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3044[17:29:15] <dpkg> ram is probably (Random Access Memory) The
place in your computer that programs reside when running, or usually
small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_ ram!
Ask me about <free ram> or <myram>.
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3045[17:29:26] <simonlnu> !free ram
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3046[17:29:26] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's
memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux
tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which
speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these
caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical
memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use,
it's 'free' + 'buffers' +
'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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3050[17:29:36] <FinalX> monsterco: you could use top, or htop; I
prefer htop because it's easy to sort on the memory column, for
example
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3053[17:29:57] <FinalX> simonlnu: he's asking to find out
WHAT is using it, not THAT it's used
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3055[17:30:04] <monsterco> FinalX - i can't have htop on
this - not installed
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3057[17:30:28] <monsterco> Finalx - so what should i look for in
top?
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3065[17:32:03] <jhutchins> monsterco: FIrst just familiarise
yourself with the default display, then look at the help page (h)
and see how to sort by memory usage.
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3067[17:32:06] <FinalX> simonlnu: patronising? you're
patronising users that come with a question, by answering them with
an automated answer that has nothing to do with what they're
asking, thinking that they don't understand something which
they clearly already figured out.
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3068[17:32:20] <FinalX> monsterco: the %MEM column helps a lot
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3069[17:32:21] <Meliorate> hi all, how do i get a2enconf and
a2disconf installed? ...they should be installed when i apt-get
install apache2, right?
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3071[17:32:49] <monsterco> %MEM column doesnt show much activity
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3072[17:32:49] <FinalX> Meliorate: they're newish to jessie
if I'm not mistaken, not sure if they're in wheezy. are
you running wheezy by any chance?
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3073[17:32:50] <monsterco> very low
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3075[17:33:04] <Meliorate> FinalX: yes, wheezy
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3077[17:33:15] <Meliorate> i could upgrade to jessie i guess
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3078[17:33:29] <monsterco> 15gb out of 16gb memory is used -
where can i see which process uses it most?
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3082[17:34:03] <FinalX> Meliorate: or just make them yourself,
they don't really do a lot more than working with
conf-enabled/conf-available, having all configs in conf-available
and then putting symlinks in conf-enabled => conf-available, and
including conf-enabled in the apache config, rather than conf.d in
wheezy
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3084[17:34:28] <Meliorate> FinalX: gcc is broken atm :|
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3085[17:34:30] <FinalX> it's very easy to script if you know
only a little of how
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3086[17:34:41] <Meliorate> maybe if i upgrade, it will magically
fix that too!
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3088[17:34:51] <monsterco> Mem: 16405760k total, 15380000k used,
1025760k free, 1468124k buffers
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3090[17:35:06] <monsterco> FinalX: that is what I get ^^^^ is
using so much for buffers normal?
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3091[17:35:13] <FinalX> ah :) you don't need gcc for this
though, could easily be done with editing the apache config (1
line), and making two small scripts
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3092[17:35:13] <LeLutin> monsterco: when you start top, you can
change sort order to mem usage by typing: >
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3094[17:35:28] <FinalX> or just press M when you open top
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3095[17:35:46] <FinalX> ..it will then sort it by the MEM column,
highest usage at the top
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3097[17:36:06] <antZero> anybody knows how do I hide these red
icons on system tray?
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3098[17:36:07] <antZero>
replaced-url
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3099[17:36:08] <LeLutin> FinalX: ah, I didn't know this
shortcut. neat :)
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3101[17:36:21] <monsterco> LeLutin - I see only like 20 lines -
rows....is here moe probably? because these don't show much
activity or ram usage
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3102[17:36:28] <antZero> I don't even know what software
shows them, I'm on vanilla debian 8 with MATE
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3103[17:36:32] <FinalX> LeLutin: I only just found out as well, I
told a coworker and he's like "or you just press
M..."
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3104[17:36:53] <jhutchins> monsterco: How do you know it's
swapping?
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3107[17:37:29] <monsterco> I see in free -m
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3108[17:37:30] <monsterco> Swap: 15359 279 15080
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3110[17:37:49] <jhutchins> monsterco: Is swap changing?
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3111[17:37:55] <monsterco> seems to me top is incomplete...
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3112[17:37:59] <LeLutin> monsterco: hmm yeah there's
probably more. the mem column usually doesn't move much (unlike
cpu usage). to get all info you could use ps instead of top
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3114[17:38:07] <monsterco> I don't think it has been
changing
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3117[17:38:18] <monsterco> at least not in the past 20 mins i
have been looking
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3118[17:38:25] <jhutchins> monsterco: THen it's not
swapping, it's just shoved some pages into swap.
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3119[17:38:37] <monsterco> ah ok
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3120[17:38:41] <monsterco> so where else should i look?
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3121[17:38:53] <monsterco> is this normal? 1468124k buffers
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3122[17:39:02] <FinalX> monsterco: swapping is completely normal,
so is buffering / "OS-cache"
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3123[17:39:21] <jhutchins> monsterco: Another way to look at swap
is with iostat from the sysstat package.
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3124[17:39:28] <monsterco> k - then where should i look to find
the process because i really want to
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3125[17:39:54] <monsterco> i mean i want a list of all processes
that use ram
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3127[17:39:56] <FinalX> I always use free -h btw, it's more
readable; "free" also shows a line of "-/+
buffers/cache: and then a value in the "free" column, that
is what's free without buffers
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3129[17:40:39] <FinalX> swapping is really a normal thing, but
you can limit the aggressiveness of trying to swap with sysctl
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3130[17:40:51] <FinalX> try: sysctl vm.swappiness
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3131[17:41:08] <FinalX> you'll get a value, usually 30 or
60; on most servers it's set to 10 or even 0
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3133[17:41:28] <FinalX> reducing swappiness also means it'll
put less things into swap (or less quickly)
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3135[17:41:42] <FinalX> swap in itself is not bad
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3136[17:41:44] <jelly> monsterco: <2GB out of total 16GB for
buffers/cache isn't much at all.
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3137[17:41:45] <FinalX> well, he's gone
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3152[17:46:49] <jhutchins> FinalX: Active swapping on a server is
a bad thing.
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3154[17:47:27] <TomasCZ> it also depends on amount of ram when
you are changing swappines
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3156[17:47:50] <FinalX> depends on what's in swap, and
swappiness determines what goes in there; reducing swappiness on a
server is better than disabling it entirely
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3157[17:48:24] <FinalX> mine is set to 10 on my server :) I have
32 GB RAM, so, plenty, but still.
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3159[17:48:37] <TomasCZ> also depends on swap size I'd say.
Kinda the old rule of thumb saying swap should be as big as RAM is
void by now.
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3161[17:48:55] <FinalX> that's _really_ void, yeah.
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3162[17:48:58] <TomasCZ> as big or bigger*
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3163[17:49:20] <FinalX> I have 5 GB of swap, a zvol on my ZFS
SSD-mirror pool
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3164[17:49:26] <TomasCZ> These days I either don't use swap
or go for values ranging from 32m-512m
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3168[17:50:05] <FinalX> 32-512m? then I wouldn't even bother
with it at all :)
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3170[17:50:38] <TomasCZ> That swap is basically for programs that
are idle over OS uptime most of the time.
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3171[17:50:43] <FinalX> when I put my swappiness to 60, it dumps
like 900 MB in there over time; I have a lot of LXC-containers
running and most don't really do anything much most of the
time.
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3173[17:51:01] <monsterco> FinalX - I don't think this is a
swap issue here. See this: Mem: 16405760k total, 15374600k used,
1031160k free, 1468128k buffers
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3175[17:51:09] <monsterco> 15GB out 16GB ram is used
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3176[17:51:10] <TomasCZ> FinalX, using ksm?
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3177[17:51:33] <monsterco> so it's pretty close to using
swap which i am fine with but why 15gb is used and i can only
account for 3gb?
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3179[17:51:51] <simonlnu> a lot is in buffers.
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3180[17:51:52] <FinalX> monsterco: no, and buffers are completely
normal
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3181[17:51:54] <TomasCZ> sorry I got here few minutes ago,
don't know whole monsterco story
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3183[17:52:09] <FinalX> TomasCZ: I'm not using KVM
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3184[17:52:12] <simonlnu> FinalX: because sometimes people need a
reminder.
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3186[17:52:48] <monsterco> ah - so buffer is the cache....and
it's really free ram?
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3187[17:52:53] <TomasCZ> FinalX, I was under impression ksm is
generic just applications don't label the memory for it.
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3196[17:53:55] <jhutchins> monsterco: Scroll back and read the
!free ram factoid from dpkg.
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3198[17:54:08] <jhutchins> monsterco: Or /msg dpkg free ram.
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3199[17:54:15] <TomasCZ> The fact that kvm does label allocated
memory for ksm and virtualbox for example does not is separate thing
imgo
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3200[17:54:25] <TomasCZ> imho*
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3201[17:54:39] <FinalX> TomasCZ: I honestly don't know if
it's being used or not; it is a kernel deduplication feature,
and it does seem it can be used for this as well
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3202[17:55:05] <simonlnu> FinalX: nothing wrong with getting
straight with basics. no basics, no foundation, hence clueless. i
prefer clueful people. fishing rod kinda thing.
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3204[17:55:14] <FinalX> I don't really see much floating
about on how to turn it on with LXC, or even together with it either
:)
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3205[17:55:16] <TomasCZ> you have to enable it yourself, and then
the memory must be labeled for ksm dedupl.
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3206[17:55:24] <simonlnu> FinalX: HAND :)
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3209[17:56:05] <TomasCZ> FinalX, try grep ^ /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/
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3211[17:56:13] <FinalX> simonlnu: And I completely agree with you
on that, but when someone tells me "I'm running out of
memory, how can I see what's using it", to me, that
implies that they already know of "free" :)
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3212[17:56:19] <TomasCZ> and then change the run in there to 1
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3214[17:56:50] <monsterco> FinalX - thanks. So, now that my RAM
usage is back to normal; is there anyway for me to see when my RAM
usage shot up that SWAP got used? I do know that an hour ago my
system was very slow
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3215[17:56:58] <FinalX> TomasCZ: ha, let's see, ty ;)
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3219[17:57:13] <TomasCZ> Do we have output of ps aux;free -m (or
-h if you like) from monsterco?
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3220[17:57:37] <simonlnu> nope
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3221[17:57:43] <simonlnu> (AFAIK)
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3224[17:58:11] <simonlnu> oh, we do
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3227[17:59:01] <TomasCZ> FinalX, when you set the run variable,
you have to wait a little while if the numbers change the memory was
labeled for ksm dedupl. if it stays still it was not :-(
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3229[17:59:22] <FinalX> TomasCZ: ah, I read up, and because the
containers are running in seperate spaces, they are not able to be
shared through KSM
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3241[18:01:56] <TomasCZ> FinalX, should not matter in general.
Who knows. I've got 4vm's and by sharing 314M they save
double the size. Two vm's are basically same in setup. just
different things in it
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3242[18:01:59] <FinalX> TomasCZ: not that I need it though, I was
just curious; and thanks :) might be really useful if I start doing
some other virtualisation stuff again
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3245[18:02:19] <TomasCZ> FinalX, glad could help ;-)
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3255[18:05:57] <FinalX> simonlnu: also, I apologise for a
personal frustration I have with what happened earlier; I was asking
for advise on a bug with stretch's APT, and someone on #ubuntu
just gave me a pre-done answer on how file permissions work.
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3258[18:06:24] <FinalX> it pissed me off a lot, and I just let
that frustration slip in there earlier :)
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3259[18:06:25] <simonlnu> np man
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3270[18:09:37] <jhutchins> FinalX: Sometimes we remember that
ther IS a factoid on a certain subject, but not exactly what it
says, and it turns out to be less relevant than we hoped.
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3273[18:11:14] <FinalX> jhutchins: yeah, I get that now, too; but
to newcomers it might seem a bit different than to people that have
been here for longer
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3287[18:15:04] <TomasCZ> monsterco, paste: you got 10G of
filesystem cache imho. Your system looks perfectly normal by the
look at free. For example, my workstation at work is now at like:
swapped=71 free=51 buff=228 cache=3077 ram=8G and depending on
growing chrome and ff it gets down to like cache=1G before I notice
it and restart that ~2G process.
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3289[18:15:54] <TomasCZ> monsterco, uptime 7days on that(swap is
~383m
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3295[18:17:21] <TomasCZ> monsterco, system by default tries to
utilize ram for speeding up disk access of most common things. But
that fs cache is not limited to that only. If you use networked
storage.. you can imagine I presume :)
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3298[18:19:02] <monsterco> you see the uptime in swap from my
pastebin?
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3301[18:20:30] <monsterco> TomasCZ - so how can I make more that
buffer available for RAM usage? I understand this is a system
automated thing but it seems something is wrong and my RAM keeps
going down as I turn on another KVM - now I am down to 607MB but a
lot in buffer. Earlier it was 1GB in available RAM. Maybe I am wrong
with this assumption here and this is not a real issue but system
did get slow; so I am not sure why system didn't allocate buffe
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3302[18:20:31] <monsterco> r to programs to use
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3307[18:21:50] <Cpuroast> monsterco: there is no issue
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3309[18:22:20] <Cpuroast> cache will get flushed and the RAM
automatically freed for the app that needs it
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3310[18:22:32] <Cpuroast> unused RAM is wasted RAM
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3311[18:22:39] <monsterco> Cpuroast - thanks - I saw all my VM
Containers slow down by a lot like I couldn't browse
properly...
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3312[18:22:41] <Cpuroast> it can either be for cache or for
programs
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3313[18:22:50] <monsterco> could this be an issue of something
else but ram?
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3314[18:22:58] <Cpuroast> but empty RAM is wasted RAM
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3315[18:23:02] <FinalX> monsterco: buffers are good, RAM
that's used to buffer/cache will speed up the working of your
system, and if an application requires more RAM than is
"free", the kernel will make sure buffers/caches are freed
so the other application can use them.
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3316[18:23:20] <FinalX> monsterco: you should see buffer/cache as
"available", not as "in use", in this regard
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3317[18:23:35] <TomasCZ> monsterco, are you getting some error or
warn from your applications? "allocate buffers to programs to
use" Trust me if your system would be running out of memory,
you would experience OoM killer.
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3318[18:24:26] <TomasCZ> monsterco, sysctl -a|grep swapp what is
your swappiness?
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3320[18:25:49] <TomasCZ> FinalX, but don't tell him that
exactly as system whose buffers go below 40 and cache get's low
as well is system that will soon log OoM killer in system log
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3321[18:26:11] <TomasCZ> ou, 40 megs
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3322[18:26:22] <FinalX> yeah, ok
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3325[18:27:04] <TomasCZ> Of course these depend a little on the
RAM the OS has. with VM that has only 1G or less of memory these
values are not entirely correct.
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3327[18:27:37] <FinalX> I don't think I have a machine left
here that has less than 24, so hm :)
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3328[18:27:50] <FinalX> our highest has 1 TB of RAM
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3329[18:27:52] <TomasCZ> 24 what? Gigs?
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3330[18:27:54] <FinalX> yes
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3332[18:28:05] <TomasCZ> damm you, send me one machine
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3333[18:28:33] <FinalX> I have a Supermicro X7DBU 1U myself, got
it with 8x1GB DDR2 from work, as they were no longer gonna use it,
in exchange for sushi.
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3335[18:28:54] <FinalX> Then went on eBay and got 8x4GB DDR2 ECC
for € 88,- from some hosting company that was ditching their
old equipment :)
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3336[18:29:16] <TomasCZ> nice. I'm sitting on ultrabook with
16G, at work I got only 8G ram
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3340[18:29:54] <vegardx> Wasn't that rather expensive,
FinalX?
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3341[18:30:24] <FinalX> well, my laptop has 16, I was talking
about servers mostly; and I have an LXC-container in the company
VLAN for screen+irssi and all as well.
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3342[18:30:38] <TomasCZ> I was thinking in these ways before but
older stuff may eat more watta and be more noisy. Besides if I can
be portable.....
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3343[18:30:54] <FinalX> vegardx: € 88,- for 8x 4GB DDR2
DIMMs with ECC? back then it was € 50,- for 2x4GB DIMMs w/ ECC
new
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3348[18:31:22] <FinalX> so € 88,- for 32 GB ECC DDR2 vs
€ 200,- 32 GB ECC DDR2.. :)
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3350[18:31:41] <vegardx> I know that it was expensive back in the
days, but you can get a brand new node with 64GB, multi socket
whatnot for like $300.
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3355[18:32:11] <vegardx> Refurbished supermicro is soooo cheap,
crazy.
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3356[18:32:20] <FinalX> well, it's harder to find old
hardware cheap here in .nl than it is in .us, though
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3357[18:32:26] <vegardx> Makes sense thought, they are power
hungry. :p
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3358[18:32:30] <FinalX> plus, the server was free :)
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3359[18:32:43] <vegardx> Actually, in .nl you should be able to
get a lot. Inside the EU bastards! ;)
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3361[18:33:07] <FinalX> yeah, we even ran a lot of debian.org
stuff for them for a long time in our data center, even on old
hardware of us :)
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3362[18:33:17] <FinalX> ...on supermicro's ;)
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3364[18:33:18] <vegardx> Crazy cheap:
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3365[18:33:21] <vegardx> Supermicro <
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3366[18:33:21] <vegardx> 3
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3368[18:33:52] <TomasCZ> germany that's not that far away :D
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3370[18:34:00] <FinalX> I recently upgraded some kernels to
backports ones on X6 boards... don't do that without
blacklisting a module ;)
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3372[18:34:25] <FinalX> 2000 for a company is not much, but
it's way above my own budget or requirement atm :)
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3373[18:34:30] <TomasCZ> don't upgrade distro on OpenVZ
either with kernel like 2.6
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3374[18:34:40] <vegardx> Hehe, I know that. Just as a comparison
to used hardware.
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3375[18:34:50] <FinalX> I paid a bunch of sushi and 88
euro's for my X7DBU with dual Xeon E5335 and 32 GB ECC RAM.
Good enough for me.
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3376[18:34:55] <vegardx> I'd just start by not using OpenVZ
at all. ;-)
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3377[18:34:56] <FinalX> Just needed to add disks after that :)
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3378[18:35:19] <FinalX> I used to use OpenVZ a long long time
ago, until it didn't work anymore in Debian by default; then
switched to LXC later.
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3380[18:35:32] <vegardx> Refurbished a MacPro 4,1 that I got.
Dual-socket quad-core, 64GB ECC memory and PCI-e SSD. Works like a
charm!
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3381[18:35:39] <FinalX> Back then LXC was a lot more effort, but
I'm very happy with it :) OpenVZ even rewrote some of their
tools to use with LXC iirc.
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3383[18:36:10] <FinalX> vegardx: I'm just gonna wait for
this generation of servers to become old, and then I can just take
one that's written off again ;)
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3384[18:36:44] <vegardx> Hopefully soon, but they are more and
more efficient. Unless they can cut the powerbill they don't
change servers.
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3385[18:37:19] <TomasCZ> is this number correct? monsterco ps
output gaves like 2G of ram used for apps.
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3386[18:37:20] <FinalX> disk-wise I just have Kingspec 16 GB SLC
stick for the host OS, 2x 128GB SSD in a ZFS pool for my
LXC-containers, and 4x Seagate Archive HDD 8 TB's in a ZFS
raid10 for my big data
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3387[18:37:21] <vegardx> The new servers I got recently has the
same combined TDP of one of those Athlon XP processors from back in
the days
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3389[18:38:09] <FinalX> ugh, AMD .. we have had such a shitty
time with AMD stuff in our server farm, we came from Intel and
quicly went back
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3390[18:38:20] <vegardx> Yeah, I have one AMD-server. One.
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3391[18:38:22] <FinalX> to each their own, but I don't think
they'll ever come back into our server farm :)
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3393[18:38:35] <vegardx> Past me was "but it has more
cores... MORE CORES VEGARD!"
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3394[18:38:45] <stacky> Hi,did someone get an asus x555u laptop
working with debian?,no touchpad,also tried ubuntu and archlinux
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3397[18:39:14] <vegardx> stacky: Find out what chipsets you have
rather than specific model of laptop.
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3401[18:40:06] <vegardx> Knowing Dell they'll probably have
a bunch of variety even in the same models.
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3404[18:41:36] <stacky> Intel skylake host bridge dram registers
rev 08
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3405[18:41:40] <TomasCZ> And Here I was thinking that dell does
not do that :D
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3406[18:42:28] <FinalX> Dell, gah. Past experiences were good,
but recent ones with my work laptop were absolutely horrid. They
replaced pretty much every single part at some point, and in the end
gave up and gave me a newer model, just before warranty was over ;)
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3408[18:43:39] <vegardx> Apple is on a downhill path, but in
terms of hardware build it has never failed me.
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3410[18:43:48] <vegardx> It's just a very expensive machine
to SSH out from.
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3411[18:44:12] <stacky> i keep getting pcie bus error
severity=corrected type=physical layer in all distros
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3412[18:44:31] <vegardx> Does it work in Windows?
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3413[18:44:39] <stacky> yes
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3414[18:44:45] <FinalX> Apple remained behind graphics-wise.
Blizzard recently announced they wouldn't make Overwatch for OS
X, because of Apple's horrid graphics support.
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3416[18:45:07] <vegardx> Yeah
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3417[18:45:29] <vegardx> But I think thats for the better, you
don't buy a macbook to game. The input lag will kill you.
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3419[18:46:22] <FinalX> No, if you run Windows on the same
macbook, it'll run very fast.
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3420[18:46:38] <FinalX> It's just OS X's graphics
support that's utter shit :)
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3422[18:46:51] <FinalX> They clean up the OS itself, and make
that run smooth, but the rest..
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3425[18:47:23] <TomasCZ> stacky, suppose you did try to google
around? When that notebook model became produced?
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3428[18:48:01] <stacky> 2015, of course,i have days dwith google,
but no one with the same problem got a real solution, now im reading
a new ubuntu thread
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3431[18:48:39] <stacky> they recommend adding pci=noaer
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3432[18:49:14] <TomasCZ> stacky, Does it manifest in some way
besides logging error?
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3436[18:50:16] <stacky> TomasCZ, no touchpad, I tested 3
different distros, Debian, Ubuntu,Kali, Arch, Centos
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