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7[00:04:19] <afernandez_> Debian guys, some oif the monitoring plugins just have a number in the script I do not know how to repoirt that
8[00:04:21] <afernandez_> such as:
9[00:04:22] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:/usr/local/nagios/libexec# cat check_swap
10[00:04:24] <afernandez_> 2
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15[00:05:16] <afernandez_> Thanks again I will be back.
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20[00:06:20] <markybob> afernandez_: we wont forget you're not using debian
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23[00:07:22] <teraflops> :P
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53[00:18:01] <trysten> how do i change boot dependencies? i need to make the LVM-activation.service non-critical so my system will boot
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60[00:19:42] <mutante> trysten: do you have something like /etc/systemd/system/LVM-activation.service ?
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62[00:20:00] <trysten> yes. i'm new to systemd sooo
63[00:20:21] <mutante> trysten: so in that file, there should be an [Install] section
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65[00:20:38] <mutante> and there it probably says "WantedBy=multi-user.target"
66[00:20:46] <mutante> i think you could comment that line
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78[00:24:35] <trysten> mutante: can i invoke systemctl to do that?
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85[00:26:38] <mutante> trysten: systemctl disable , yea
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97[00:31:16] <Xablo29> #debian
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102[00:31:51] <Xablo29> #Dialogues
103[00:31:53] <Xablo29> #Dialogues
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110[00:33:37] <Nuri> hi
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112[00:33:51] <Nuri> I need flash player
113[00:34:02] <Nuri> debian version 8.4.0 x64
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120[00:34:48] <markybob> Nuri: replaced-url
121[00:35:31] <Nuri> my browser Iceweasel
122[00:35:39] <Nuri> ty markybob
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125[00:36:28] <markybob> i know iceweasel is dropping flash support soonish. fyi.
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130[00:37:39] <somiaj> markybob: is iceweasel droping NAPI too?
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132[00:37:53] <markybob> somiaj: that's my understanding
133[00:38:01] <somiaj> (well guess we should say firefox, since iceweasel won't be the newer version)
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136[00:38:20] <trysten> mutante: how about if i just want to make it non-critical?
137[00:38:22] <somiaj> markybob: ahh, haven't heard that. Are they gonig to adopt PAPI or just drop plugins all together and only use extensions?
138[00:38:39] <Nuri> Could not find package
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140[00:38:51] <somiaj> Nuri: the packages are in contrib, as they will install non-free software on your system
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142[00:39:14] <markybob> somiaj: replaced-url
143[00:39:28] <somiaj> Nuri: also note there is a PAPI wrapper for pepperflash with iceweasel if you want the newer flash matained by google in firefox
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149[00:40:55] <somiaj> markybob: seems they will support flash in someway, though if they don't allow NAPI plugins it might hurt the linux comunity (kinda like chromium did until we figured out how to rip flash out of chrome)
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152[00:41:34] <somiaj> markybob: thanks for the link
153[00:42:00] <Nuri> what should i do now
154[00:42:32] <somiaj> Nuri: are you okay with installing non-free flash on your computer? Do you want the older flash from adobe or the google-chrome flash plugin (both will work just fine on most sites)
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157[00:43:38] <somiaj> !contrib
158[00:43:38] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
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164[00:44:19] <somiaj> Nuri: I have to go, but to install non-free flash in debian follow the instructions the bot dpkg said to enable the contrib repo in your souces.list
165[00:44:44] <somiaj> Nuri: once you do that you can install either 'flashplugin-nonfree' (for the older adobe flash) or 'browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash' *
166[00:44:54] <somiaj> the second one is for the newer google-chrome flash.
167[00:45:02] <somiaj> Others can help if you run into any issues doing this.
168[00:45:47] <Nuri> ty
169[00:46:35] <Nuri> Which do you recommend somiaj
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171[00:46:44] <Nuri> somiaj: Which do you recommend
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173[00:47:57] <markybob> Nuri: you probably want the chrome one. keep in mind there's no sandboxing like in chrome
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180[00:50:05] <markybob> Nuri: you don't want netflix, do you?
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183[00:50:41] <trysten> damnit! why is systemd so obscure to me? /rant
184[00:51:06] <markybob> trysten: probably because you've failed to teach yourself :P
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188[00:52:03] <jeddi> trysten: all change involves some discomfort :) try to ignore all the bad things people say, and just go read some tutorial blogs - it's rare that I've not been able to find good explanations of behaviour I hvaen't immediately understood, and solutions to problems I've had.
189[00:52:50] <markybob> trysten: honestly everything but binary logs makes sense to me. i like it.
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191[00:53:03] <trysten> the behavior is pretty ok, i just can't get around it and it's keeping me from booting. arrrrgh! you're right though. I'm not really opposed to systemd
192[00:53:12] <trysten> i tried to be.. but even linux says meh
193[00:53:15] <trysten> linus*
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195[00:53:35] <jeddi> trysten: any particular thing you're having troubles with now?
196[00:53:39] <markybob> trysten: no. linus said the same thing i did. only against binary logs.
197[00:54:11] <jeddi> usually the thing that bites me is drop-in .service replacements for init.d scripts ... that don't drop-in quite as transparently as I'd hoped.
198[00:54:56] <trysten> markybob: "those are details, not big issues"
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203[00:56:42] <trysten> jeddi: right now i'm trying to work around the automatically generated dependency on a non-important lvm2 volume group. it's missing PVs so it can't activate which drops me to (glitchy) recovery console
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207[00:58:04] <SerajewelKS> is there a mode of tar that will preserve user/group information by name, not id?
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210[00:58:24] <SerajewelKS> or is there another recommended way to transfer files that will account for user/group ids being different?
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214[00:58:38] <sweettea> i think rsync can handle that
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216[00:58:45] <jeddi> trysten: aha. yeah. that may be fun. my first upgrade to systemd ages a while back broke on a combination of lvm2 and / being a cryptsetup partition.
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220[00:59:05] <jmcnaught> trysten: are there filesystems in this VG that are in /etc/fstab? take a look at "man systemd.mount" for the nofail option
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229[01:01:38] <jeddi> SerajewelKS: i don't think (but may be wrong) that you can do this - for fairly sensible reasons most utils will use uid, not username.
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231[01:02:22] <sweettea> rsync --usermap closest i can think
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234[01:03:24] <jeddi> sweettea: nice find!
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241[01:05:14] <SerajewelKS> jeddi: it would be sensible, if wheezy and jessie system group ids were the same, but they are not
242[01:05:25] <sweettea> i actually dont think that will do what he wants tho
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244[01:05:41] <SerajewelKS> jeddi: so in migrating some /etc stuff i need to be able to handle users and groups as names not as ids
245[01:05:58] <sweettea> uid/gid are consistency is not specific to distro
246[01:06:13] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: that's not english
247[01:06:14] <sweettea> hell any distro if you install stuff in differing order will generate different uid/gid
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250[01:06:28] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: i'm not saying the ids SHOULD be the same
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254[01:06:48] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: i'm saying that in transferring some configuration over, i need ownership information to be retained by name, not by id
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256[01:07:16] <sweettea> solve the problem with some basic bash?
257[01:07:17] <SerajewelKS> otherwise, stuff that was owned by replaced-url
258[01:07:20] <sweettea> its trivial
259[01:07:29] <jeddi> SerajewelKS: ah. okay. this hasn't bitten me before, but i've not tried copying swathes of /etc around - i'm either upgrading, or it's being (re)installed from a config manager.
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262[01:07:49] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: it's not trivial, but thanks for playing
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265[01:08:08] <markybob> i'd be much more worried about permissions than ownership
266[01:08:29] <SerajewelKS> markybob: you can't worry about one without worrying about the other
267[01:08:36] <mutante> SerajewelKS: find / -uid <old UID> -exec chown <new UID>
268[01:08:45] <SerajewelKS> markybob: if permissions are right and ownership is not, someone else has access
269[01:08:47] <markybob> you kinda can. one is much easier to fix
270[01:08:53] <mutante> had to do that multiple times when users migrate
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272[01:09:11] <SerajewelKS> mutante: and what do you do in the case where group IDs are inverted?
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275[01:09:57] <SerajewelKS> we're basically talking about building a ridiculous find expression for something that seems reasonable to find in some system utility somewhere
276[01:10:16] <markybob> the point is you're not going to save both when the've changed.
277[01:10:18] <mutante> SerajewelKS: eh.. you look for all files owned by the old user or gid and switch it to the new ones (there is -gid as a find option )
278[01:10:26] <sweettea> its pretty basic
279[01:10:41] <markybob> exactly. it is basic.
280[01:10:46] <mutante> it's not even an expression, just "uid" and "gid"
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282[01:10:58] <SerajewelKS> mutante: when group A/B had ids 5/6 on the old system and have ids 6/5 on the new system, find isn't going to work without getting ridiculous
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287[01:12:20] <markybob> we've already gotten ridiculous
288[01:12:37] <SerajewelKS> sweettea: FWIW your suggestion regarding rsync was in fact correct -- it uses names and not ids for ownership, unless you specify --numeric-ids
289[01:12:43] <mutante> SerajewelKS: ok, i guess i was lucky with that, but not sure how another utility would fix that. you can temp give it a random high UID, then change it back
290[01:12:53] <SerajewelKS> so the correct answer to this question is not "find ... -exec chown" but "use rsync"
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292[01:13:00] <sweettea> ...
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297[01:14:29] <SerajewelKS> which makes me happy, because mapping this stuff by hand is a recipe for screwing it up badly
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299[01:14:42] <sweettea> rsync will cause you different problems
300[01:15:05] <sweettea> the solution is to properly architect this and perhaps use automation for your binaries/confs
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314[01:21:21] <trysten> where is systemd configured to take me to Emergency Mode?
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319[01:23:01] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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322[01:23:19] <jmcnaught> trysten: did you try setting nofail in fstab?
323[01:23:26] <trysten> thanks. to answer your earlier question, they are not listed in fstab
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325[01:24:02] <trysten> unless fstab was automatically appended when i activated the lv
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330[01:24:44] <jmcnaught> trysten: no. the problem is that boot fails because of a missing PV?
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340[01:29:29] <jml2> trysten, no
341[01:29:30] <trysten> jmcnaught: well, it was. it's booting now. i'm trying to make it fail again, but systemctl enable lvm2-activation[-early].service did not enable the problem
342[01:29:37] <trysten> trysten, no
343[01:29:43] <jml2> trysten, fstab is never touched by anything except when installing debian
344[01:29:52] <trysten> jml2: cool. i would have guessed that
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346[01:30:15] <trysten> that's what i would have guessed, rather
347[01:30:24] <jml2> trysten, man mtab
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350[01:30:38] <jml2> (nm that, it's not there)
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355[01:31:47] <trysten> jml2: i don't have mtab manpage..?
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357[01:31:56] <jml2> no need
358[01:32:16] <jml2> (scratches head)
359[01:32:30] <trysten> jml2: yeah, just curious as to where it is/comes from
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363[01:33:03] <jml2> no need to worry about that-- that was just for informational purposes :)
364[01:33:13] <trysten> jmcnaught: you know, you and I have been on the channel for years. I used to go by acid or acidslep. good to see you still around
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369[01:34:04] <trysten> jml2: thank you! i didn't know about it. any ideas on how to rebreak my system? systemctl enable lvm2-activation.service didn't actually bring it back, like it's not a dependency any more
370[01:34:29] <trysten> jmcnaught: oh. it is in fstab. ha.
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374[01:35:10] <jml2> trysten, btw for "target" rescue mode, it should be possible to use that for the kernel's boot-line.. it'd be something like target= ...
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385[01:37:26] <jml2> trysten, replaced-url
386[01:37:35] <jml2> trysten, would be in debian wiki too
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388[01:37:55] <jml2> it's rather something else with =, for the target ("runlevel")
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391[01:38:06] <jmcnaught> trysten: on my system lvm2-activation.service is Type=oneshot (so it doesn't stay active after it runs) and is WantedBy=local-fs.target. Its only entries in the journal are reporting that my VGs are now active
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394[01:39:22] <jmcnaught> trysten: so "systemctl status lvm2-activation" will say "inactive (dead)" because Type=Oneshot means it doesn't need to stay active
395[01:39:45] * trysten is having multiple epiphanygasms
396[01:39:57] <trysten> thank you so much, jmcnaught, jml2. love you guys
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401[01:41:25] <jml2> i keep forgetting systemd syntax multiple times tehehe
402[01:41:41] <jml2> my bad
403[01:41:57] <jmcnaught> i've been starting to forget pre-systemd syntax, like update-rc.d etc
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409[01:45:41] <shadows> jmcnaught: good riddance, thought I am sad that Ubuntu's upstart claimed easy things like "start" "stop" "restart"
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412[01:46:11] <shadows> "journalctl" and "systemctl" are cumbersome to type as a rule
413[01:47:06] <aypea[2]> yerp
414[01:47:20] <countbackula> journalctl is also very difficult for one with dyslexia
415[01:47:23] <markybob> if you think so make an alias. jcl and scl or whatever.
416[01:47:34] <shadows> markybob: on every system I interact with?
417[01:47:59] <markybob> if you cant be bothered to type
418[01:48:11] <markybob> i personally just type because i know how
419[01:48:11] <mutante> how about using Ctrl +R after you typed it once
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421[01:48:42] <shadows> my discontent is not for having to alias and save keystrokes
422[01:48:53] <shadows> it is for the rather cumbersome name to begin with
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434[01:57:10] <bolts_> Please help me rescue my boot: I accidentally commented out my encrypted root partition in /etc/crypttab, and my boot is falling back to initramfs
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436[01:57:25] <bolts_> cryptsetup is absent from initramfs for some reason
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450[02:01:49] <user__> does debian use fdisk?
451[02:02:23] <Alam_Squeeze> user__: you mean DOS fdisk or GNU fdisk?
452[02:02:32] <user__> gnu
453[02:02:48] <FinalX> it does
454[02:02:59] <jmcnaught> bolts_: you'll probably need to boot from a live disk, use cryptsetup to unlock the partition, chroot into it, fix /etc/crypttab, and run update-initramfs -u
455[02:03:05] <bolts_> how can I mount and boot from a LUKS encrypted partition from within the initramfs prompt?
456[02:03:08] <user__> when i type fdisk -l it is not showing the disked installed on the system
457[02:03:28] <bolts_> jmcnaught: okay, I was worried that was the case
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459[02:03:40] <jmcnaught> bolts_: is the cryptsetup command available at the initramfs prompt?
460[02:03:41] <FinalX> user__: perhaps your disk controller needs a driver/module that's not loaded, check with dmesg to see if they're even recognized at all
461[02:03:51] <FinalX> user__: fdisk -l does show all disks under normal cirtcumstances
462[02:04:15] <bolts_> jmcnaught: it is not
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468[02:06:04] <jeddi> yeah - previously i've had to pull the initram image across to anotehr machine, pull it open (cpio?) and put the libraries / binaries I needed in there, then load it back on the broken box. a live-cd option didn't work for me - i think I couldn't work out how to remake the initram image once i'd booted from cd onto the original /
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470[02:06:14] <jmcnaught> user__: fdisk lives at /sbin/fdisk which is not in the $PATH for a regular user (because it's normally root that would run it).
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472[02:06:49] <jmcnaught> user__: what does "lsblk" say?
473[02:06:58] <FinalX> user__: read your own screenshot; you tried to install fidsk, not fdisk, but, it's in the package util-linux
474[02:07:02] <niggard> hey debs, what's going on? I mounted an ssh connection (using sshfs) to a local dir and now I can't unmount it, I get this error: 'fusermount:2: maximum nested function level reached' what's that?
475[02:07:19] <user__> That command lists all the current hard drives installed
476[02:07:32] <FinalX> user__: apt-get install util-linux
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478[02:08:34] <niggard> [I use 'fusermount -u ~/mount/ssh' when I get the above error]
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480[02:08:46] <user__> okay
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489[02:12:08] <niggard> weird error, I reopened a terminal window and the same command now doesn't yield any errors
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493[02:13:02] <alphazulu> i have a question: under the more modern conf directory arrangement where you have .../conf.d/.... how do you disable one of the conf scripts? if you just rename one from say custom.conf.DIS it will still get sourced by the daemon.
494[02:13:46] <alphazulu> they way the daemon should behave is that it should only source files named .*.conf$
495[02:14:14] <alphazulu> ^.*\.conf$
496[02:14:18] <FinalX> depends on what software you're asking for; also, you could rename them to .<name>
497[02:14:25] <FinalX> most include conf.d/*
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499[02:14:32] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: delete it or move it to a different directory. or depending on what software you're talking about, look for an Include statement of sorts to see what it pulls in
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501[02:14:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> chmod u-r ?
502[02:14:54] <alphazulu> apache
503[02:14:56] <mutante> or you just link files in there and then you can just remove the link and add it back
504[02:15:20] <FinalX> plus, most software has that include line jmcnaught talks about and you can probably "fix" it so it only does conf.d/*.conf; though .conf is already implied because of the directory name, so that's why it's usually conf.d/* ...
505[02:15:31] <alphazulu> so apache will also source anything in /conf.d/DISABLED/.. ?
506[02:15:34] <FinalX> file extensions are windows thing anyway tbh
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508[02:15:59] <mutante> alphazulu: actually it uses "conf-available" and "conf-enabled" and symlinks
509[02:16:06] <mutante> from some version on
510[02:16:19] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: on Wheezy? Apache on Jessie has conf-available and conf-enabled (like with sites and modules), and the include statement is explicit about only *.conf
511[02:16:22] <mutante> so you handle it like the sites too
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513[02:16:29] <alphazulu> oh i see! thanks. for some reason my ...conf.disabled got symlinked. i probably forgot to remove it
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516[02:18:06] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: yes on a wheezy box
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520[02:19:04] <alphazulu> thanks
521[02:19:06] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: where did the conf file come from? it should be a conffile and safe to delete (or move somewhere else if you want to use it later)
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525[02:20:09] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: yes it was just a symlink to the actual file in ../conf-available/...
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528[02:24:04] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: are you sure it's Wheezy then? Debian's apache2 2.2.22 on wheezy only had /etc/apache2/conf.d/ (it's Jessie that adds conf-available and conf-enable and the a2enconf/a2disconf commands)
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531[02:26:15] <FinalX> yeah... we make all of those on our wheezy boxes :P
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535[02:26:59] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: Server version: Apache/2.2.22 (Debian); cat /etc/debian_version 7.10
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538[02:27:17] <BenderRodriguez> Good day
539[02:27:26] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, good day
540[02:27:57] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: oh it's you
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542[02:28:05] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: ah, it came from this package: owncloud-config-apache
543[02:28:15] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, what did i do?
544[02:28:28] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: well
545[02:28:34] <alphazulu> dpkg -S /etc/apache2/conf-available
546[02:28:34] <dpkg> Dingos ate my /etc/apache2/conf-available!
547[02:28:39] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: last time I recall, you went on a rant about Windows
548[02:28:49] <BenderRodriguez> which I didn't take too kindly
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550[02:28:57] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: ahh.. that package is probably from a foreign/upstream repo then
551[02:29:09] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, but you're saying "dear Linux" on #linux
552[02:29:13] <alphazulu> yes the owncloud repo.
553[02:29:14] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, you trolling linux channels again?
554[02:29:36] <jml2> hmm
555[02:29:38] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: no that was legit question
556[02:29:39] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: no small wonder that it has some integration issues :)
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558[02:29:41] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: no trolling
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560[02:29:48] <jml2> i think he's not using debian. :P)
561[02:29:54] * jml2 digresses from trolls.
562[02:30:09] <BenderRodriguez> I'm using Ubuntu 16.04
563[02:30:16] <BenderRodriguez> But it's a kvm related question
564[02:30:25] <jml2> BenderRodriguez, #ubuntu then
565[02:30:28] <mutante> (counts)
566[02:30:28] <jmcnaught> BenderRodriguez: you should ask in #ubuntu
567[02:30:31] * jml2 ignores BenderRodriguez
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569[02:30:49] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: yes it was a big decision on my new jessie box whether to use their repo or not. in the end i did because its more recent
570[02:30:58] <BenderRodriguez> jml2: why?
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572[02:31:09] <BenderRodriguez> Ubuntu and Debian share the same codebase :P
573[02:31:21] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell BenderRodriguez about based on debian
574[02:31:23] <mutante> BenderRodriguez: that won't work and is repeated like 10 times per day
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576[02:31:42] <BenderRodriguez> In fact, prior to this, I've snuck in a few Ubuntu questions here in the past and the solutions worked
577[02:31:49] <jml2> can't believe he's not banned yet. He's a problem.
578[02:31:54] <BenderRodriguez> ...?
579[02:31:55] <mutante> ingores BenderRodriguez
580[02:31:56] <BenderRodriguez> why?
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582[02:32:15] <BenderRodriguez> sigh...fine...
583[02:32:18] <BenderRodriguez> I'll go to ubuntu
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585[02:33:10] <wudu> I wonder if I can ask Windows questions here, I mean it uses 02 and 1s, too.
586[02:33:21] <wudu> 0s
587[02:33:41] <BenderRodriguez> I get the point
588[02:34:01] <BenderRodriguez> mutante: and please disregard jml2. I'm a reasonable member of the open source community
589[02:34:16] <BenderRodriguez> He and I had disagreements which led him to believe that I was a troll
590[02:34:22] <BenderRodriguez> Obviously a misguided assumption on his part.
591[02:34:38] <FinalX> wudu: Windows 10 is coming with an Ubuntu subsystem :P
592[02:34:44] <FinalX> worlds collide..
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595[02:35:33] <wudu> Right, I saw that somewhere, ridiculus
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600[02:37:22] <FinalX> smart tbh, Microsoft knows it's losing big bucks in the server OS world, so they're porting SQL Server and all other moneycows to Linux, and in return, making it easier for developers that want to use Linux, to use Windows.
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602[02:37:32] <teraflops> FinalX: yeah the best of both worlds </sarcasm>
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608[02:38:29] <FinalX> I'm not one to partake in OS-flaming/software-wars. Everything has its upsides, downsides, likings and dislikings. I use whatever is most useful for the thing at hand :)
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612[02:39:35] <Jaro> hello all, does anybody know if steam works properly on debian?
613[02:39:50] <Jaro> I tried to follow some instructions to install it, but it screwed up my system lol
614[02:39:54] <Jaro> anyone have a good guide?
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616[02:40:18] <jml2> Jaro, well steamos is based on debian
617[02:40:35] <Jaro> jml2, ya but they only support ubuntu
618[02:40:52] <Jaro> steam does i mean. any good guide how to install it properly on debian?
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620[02:41:04] <Jaro> I don't believe there is a package for it in the repos
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623[02:41:14] <jmcnaught> Jaro: did you follow the instructions at replaced-url
624[02:41:18] <jml2> Jaro, steam works best with the nvidia driver
625[02:41:50] <jml2> Jaro, you have to install the proprietary driver for nvidia -- for intel gfx it's well the stock -kernel, for ati, it's whatever proprietary fglrx it uses
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628[02:42:15] <Jaro> jml2, yes what happened was when I got to this part aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 it started to remove my whole system
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630[02:42:31] <Jaro> then i had no desktop anymore when i rebooted
631[02:42:34] <jml2> Jaro, the latest nvidia proprietary i had to use apt-get -t jessie-backports, .340 didnt' work but .352 does
632[02:42:52] <jml2> Jaro, (Fwiw nvidia is packaged in backports)
633[02:42:57] <jmcnaught> Jaro: sounds like problems caused by using the third-party steampowered repo
634[02:43:00] <Jaro> its that last step that didn't work for me, yes that is explained int hose directions
635[02:43:10] <jml2> Jaro, if you get a black screen, you might have to disable kms, and blacklist nouveau
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637[02:43:19] <Jaro> is hould of read what I was hitting y for, but ya, it remoevd everything
638[02:43:22] <jml2> Jaro, (if you google those two things, you'll find many guides on how to do it)
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640[02:43:28] <Jaro> I didn't get a black screen it booted to a command prompt
641[02:43:33] <Jaro> it removed the desktop
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643[02:43:41] <Jaro> aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 <<<< this command removed everything when i hit y
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645[02:43:46] <jml2> Jaro, replaced-url
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647[02:44:00] <jml2> Jaro, try again.. can't parser :)
648[02:44:17] <Jaro> jml2, what do you mean?
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650[02:44:27] <jml2> Jaro, watch the video tutorial
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658[02:46:07] <Jaro> jml2, so what did I do wrong with this command? aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
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661[02:46:33] <Jaro> after i hit y, it removed my desktop and everything in it lol
662[02:46:35] <jml2> Jaro, .340 makes you think you had to do that
663[02:46:44] <jml2> Jaro, use -t jessie-backports with .352
664[02:46:45] <Jaro> no you have to do that beacuse steam requires it
665[02:46:52] <jml2> Jaro, i gave you a solution
666[02:46:53] <Jaro> or else steam won't bit and woill compalin it needs tot he 32 bit lib
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669[02:47:03] <Jaro> jml2, is there anyone else that knows what they are talking about that can answer me? lol
670[02:47:07] <jml2> Jaro, or you cna try .340 again but use -t jessie-backports
671[02:47:14] <Jaro> it has nothing to do with the drivers
672[02:47:23] <Jaro> steam is a 32 bit program and i'm using a 64 bit install
673[02:47:27] <Jaro> so that lib is needed to launch steam
674[02:47:33] <Jaro> can you go away now?
675[02:47:41] <Jaro> jesus christ i fucking hate linux communities
676[02:48:09] <jml2> here I use steam.
677[02:48:11] <jml2> :)
678[02:48:15] <jml2> good bye Jaro :)
679[02:48:24] <jmcnaught> Jaro: did you add a repository to your sources.list for steam, or download a .deb that you installed with "dpkg -i"?
680[02:48:25] <Jaro> it gives this warning "Installing the 32-bit OpenGL libraries may uninstall the 64-bit drivers you may have previously installed. Installing the AMD graphics or NVIDIA graphics drivers for your system is recommended. The appropriate OpenGL library will be installed along with those drivers."
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682[02:48:27] <mutante> telling the guy who gives you the answer he doesnt know what he is talking about ... kinda rude
683[02:48:39] <Jaro> but the problem is it doesn't tell you its also going to remove your whole desktop and leave with nothing but a text prompot haha
684[02:48:48] <Jaro> there will be no x to start
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687[02:49:21] <Jaro> installing the nvidia drivers does not install that 32 bit lib
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689[02:49:30] <Jaro> you have to install that file, but how can i install it, without removing anything.
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691[02:49:44] <Jaro> isn't it like a simple flag. am in the twilight zone right now? hahah
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693[02:49:55] <jmcnaught> Jaro: i'd help you if you answered any of my questions
694[02:49:55] <Jaro> I guess i have to stick with ubuntu like a noob then. fuck debian.
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696[02:50:03] <jml2> !ops Jaro trolling
697[02:50:03] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jml2 complains about: Jaro trolling
698[02:50:05] <jml2> enough
699[02:50:08] <mutante> gamers...
700[02:50:14] <Jaro> jml2, you are the one trolling me man
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702[02:50:17] <AbsurdTech> What's this?
703[02:50:34] <Jaro> someone needs to fix those debian instructions
704[02:50:44] <Jaro> all it is guiding people to do, is break their whole system.
705[02:51:04] <AbsurdTech> Jaro: Just stick to what Valve/GOG/Humble Bundle reccomends
706[02:51:12] <Jaro> AbsurdTech, apparenlty.
707[02:51:34] <Jaro> but ubuntu is such spyware :(
708[02:52:00] <Jaro> i think big brother got to the developer of peerguardian
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710[02:52:19] <Jaro> its the craziest thing. on ubuntu 16.04. it only pretends to add your blocklists, but doesn't really block anything. even though everything appears to be working
711[02:52:21] <somiaj> Jaro: It sounds like you are mixing things, but I have not followed the whole issue. You may be frustrated but please refrain from harsh language and talking about ubuntu.
712[02:52:23] <mutante> *plenk*
713[02:52:24] <Jaro> on debian it works as it should lol
714[02:52:28] <Jaro> just one example...
715[02:52:51] <jmcnaught> Jaro: if you want help with the issue you're having with that pakage trying to remove stuff, you can make a paste of the output on replaced-url
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717[02:53:03] <CuteMeOwnThroat> mutante, maybe rude, but possibly accurate... ignoring the *other* guy who has a pretty good guess at the situation and the answer to that is stupid
718[02:53:07] <Jaro> somiaj, when using this command aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 it removed my whole desktop
719[02:53:23] <Jaro> i thought maybe i was supposed to put an extra flag after it thats not in instructions.
720[02:53:35] <Jaro> it removed everything except core linux files haha libreoffice everything...
721[02:53:37] <somiaj> Jaro: what version of debain are you running, cayou you paste teh output of apt-cache policy libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 at paste.debian.net
722[02:53:47] <Jaro> i felt like an idiot afterwards cause i just immediately hit y
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725[02:54:08] <Jaro> somiaj, i'm on ubuntu right now wanting to go back to debian
726[02:54:13] <AbsurdTech> CuteMeOwnThroat: Who, me?
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728[02:54:26] <somiaj> Jaro: sounds like you have an issue with your sources.list (or packages you have isntaleled out side of debian), #debian will help you out.
729[02:54:32] <Jaro> somiaj, i followed the instructions here replaced-url
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733[02:54:54] <Jaro> somiaj, I installed nothing but steam immediately after a fresh install and update.
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737[02:55:28] <Jaro> somiaj, I got to this step Install 32-bit OpenGL libraries:
738[02:55:31] <CuteMeOwnThroat> AbsurdTech, no :) earlier, jmcnaught probably had it in one go... oh well, have fun
739[02:55:35] <Jaro> step 4. it all went wrong then
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741[02:55:48] <Jaro> and apparenlty it is indeed needed. because steam will complain it doesn't have those libraries when trying to launch it.
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744[02:56:27] <Jaro> somiaj, so you mean to tell me that simply doing that command shouldn't remove my whole system? are you sure?
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746[02:56:36] <Jaro> those instructions do give a warning
747[02:56:40] <somiaj> Jaro: Well #debian can help you get things working. I think the issue is debian will not isntall the nvidia non-free drivers by default as the defatuls in debain are for a free os.
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749[02:56:59] <somiaj> Jaro: Would you like to try to fix your current install or would you prefer a reinstall and then get help once you get to this point.
750[02:57:11] <Jaro> somiaj, did you look at the debian wiki directions?
751[02:57:48] <Jaro> somiaj, oh wait, so you think the issue is that I installed the nvidia prop drivers before doing all this is the issue?
752[02:57:57] <somiaj> Jaro: yes I did, note these are written by users of debian and sometimes things change. Seems the writer of those assums you already have the non-free drivers installed, but this will not be the case ona fresh install of debian.
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754[02:58:06] <Jaro> ya I did.
755[02:58:13] <somiaj> Jaro: you installed the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com using their .run file?
756[02:58:14] <Jaro> its the first thign I did, then I followed those instructions
757[02:58:32] <Jaro> maybe that is the problem, although the warning there says that 32 bit library will be installed with the nvidia non free drivers, but that is not true.
758[02:58:34] <somiaj> Jaro: or a better question, how did you install the nvidia drivers?
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760[02:58:44] <Jaro> it doesn't get installed with nvidia non free drivers
761[02:59:06] <Jaro> the same exact way jml2 said earlier
762[02:59:10] <Jaro> with the backports, same command
763[02:59:12] <linad3rr> hi, how can i open .docx file in debian, it wont work with any default prpgram
764[02:59:16] <Jaro> I think its another wiki lol
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767[02:59:35] <somiaj> Jaro: so you installed the nvidia drivers from debian's jessie-backport repo?
768[02:59:58] <somiaj> linad3rr: libreoffice will open .docx files (there are also other apps that will)
769[03:00:12] <Jaro> somiaj, i did it this way. followed the example there for 352.79 drivers replaced-url
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772[03:00:36] <Jaro> I actually found that page before using the steam instructions.
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774[03:00:44] <somiaj> Jaro: okay that was the issue, the instructions for installing the 32bit drivers assume you are using the drivers from jessie, not jessie-backports
775[03:00:47] <Jaro> i installed drivers and rebooted. the proceeded to use steam instructions
776[03:01:00] <somiaj> Jaro: you would have to have added a -t jessie-backports to the apt-get install command that wanted to install the 32bit drivers
777[03:01:02] <linad3rr> somiaj : The file 'screenshot.docx' is corrupt and therefore cannot be opened. LibreOffice can try to repair the file.
778[03:01:03] <linad3rr> The corruption could be the result of document manipulation or of structural document damage due to data transmission.
779[03:01:03] <linad3rr> We recommend that you do not trust the content of the repaired document.
780[03:01:03] <linad3rr> Execution of macros is disabled for this document.
781[03:01:03] <linad3rr> Should LibreOffice repair the file?
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783[03:01:15] <jml2> somiaj, told him that twice
784[03:01:18] <jml2> somiaj, good luck
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787[03:01:37] <Jaro> somiaj, so first i would have to install a kernel i guess from the backports?
788[03:01:40] <somiaj> jml2: ahh, I didn't follow the whole conversation, I was just trying to difuse the situation back to support.
789[03:01:47] <Jaro> somiaj, can you ignore him please
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795[03:02:01] <Jaro> he told me i needed the 32 bit lib for the drivers, I need it for steam obviously
796[03:02:20] <Jaro> somiaj, so back to my question. so then before doing what you suggested i would need to install a backport kernel first yes?
797[03:02:26] <somiaj> Jaro: I'm unsure if the nvidia drivers in backports requires a backported kernel or not. It may be they will compile against the kernel in jessie
798[03:02:52] <Jaro> somiaj, well according the wiki, it says "Or if you are already using a Linux kernel from jessie-backports:
799[03:02:52] <Jaro> "
800[03:03:08] <Jaro> then suggests the same commmand you suggested. so does that mean i need a kernel from there first?
801[03:03:12] <somiaj> Jaro: again please keep on support, lets not owrry about other users.
802[03:03:24] <Jaro> otherwise it says "Install Linux headers for the kernel you are using. If you are using the 3.16 Linux kernel in Debian Jessie:"
803[03:03:24] <somiaj> Jaro: what nvidia card do you have?
804[03:03:28] <Jaro> and suggest commmand without the T
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808[03:04:35] <Jaro> sigh...
809[03:04:40] <somiaj> Jaro: correct, when using jessie-backports you will have to keep track what you are running from jessie-backports and adjust instructions accordinly
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811[03:04:50] <somiaj> Jaro: but back to the question, what nvidia card do you have?
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814[03:05:23] <Jaro> somiaj, its hard to trust you understand what i'm trying to do, when you don't even look at the debian wiki instructions i'm using.
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817[03:06:46] <TomTomTosch> Jaro: this would go faster if you just answered the questions. you are rather noisy, makes it hard to follow.
818[03:06:47] <Jaro> somiaj, scroll down to debian 8 "jessie" instructions replaced-url
819[03:07:07] <Jaro> thats what i did. then go to replaced-url
820[03:07:12] <Jaro> the last step removed the desktop
821[03:07:29] <somiaj> Jaro: yes, what I want to know is what nvidia card you actually have. This will affect my advise on if you should install the drivers from jessie-backports or not.
822[03:07:33] <Jaro> somiaj, so apparenlty I already did what you suggested
823[03:07:48] <Jaro> i want at least that deriver man 352
824[03:07:57] <Jaro> 362 would be even better
825[03:08:02] <Jaro> but i'll take 352
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827[03:08:47] <TomTomTosch> What card are you using?
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831[03:09:01] <Jaro> i'm not gonna say what card i'm using.
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833[03:09:15] <Jaro> because it doesn't matter. and if that means you can't help me. you are no help anyways...
834[03:09:18] <somiaj> Jaro: In that case yes, the only thing that caused the error was you tried to mix the 64bit version from jessie-backports with the 32bit version from jessie which caused a conflict that removed some packages (and as a chain hit your desktop due to a meta package)
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836[03:09:36] <Jaro> somiaj, just like jml2, you don't understand. the 32 bit library is required for steam
837[03:09:50] <Jaro> if you read the directions i'm using. you will see how it explains that on the very page, with a fucking warning i don't undersatnd
838[03:09:58] <Jaro> but if you donm'[ even want to read it. how you can possibly help me?
839[03:10:07] <somiaj> Jaro: I do understand. I'm not saying don't install the 32bit driver. I'm saying you need to install the 32bit driver from jessie-backports
840[03:10:17] <Jaro> ohhh ok my apologies
841[03:10:29] <Jaro> so that is why it removed the desktop?
842[03:10:34] <somiaj> Jaro: but you are now just being noise. You have been told the issue, but don't be so confortational
843[03:11:00] <Jaro> I'm still ntio sure you are correct.
844[03:11:00] <somiaj> Jaro: I told you above why it removed the desktop (it was due to the meta package being removed because you had a conflict between the driver version in jessie-backports and jessie)
845[03:11:04] <Jaro> but ok i'll try it....
846[03:11:05] <jml2> somiaj, fwiw between you and me i actually installed steam last week
847[03:11:12] <Jaro> doesn't make sense to me. but ok....so be it.
848[03:11:41] <Jaro> jml2, and so you installed the 32 bit driver from the backports?
849[03:11:41] <somiaj> Jaro: when you have both jessie and jessie-backports enabled apt has to decide which package to install.
850[03:11:44] <Jaro> i mean lib
851[03:11:54] <Jaro> somiaj, ohhhhh
852[03:12:06] <Jaro> so thats what it was i should of disabled the backport repo immediately after installing the driver
853[03:12:13] <somiaj> Jaro: apt will default to the version from jessie, but you need the version from jessie-backports (As I keep saying). Which can be installed by running 'apt-get -t jessie-backports install libgl1-nvidia-glx:386'
854[03:12:31] <somiaj> Jaro: no. YOu need to tell apt to isntall the jessie-backports version to match the one you want to use
855[03:12:43] <Jaro> ok sorry for my outburst
856[03:12:45] <somiaj> Jaro: i.e. you want to install the 352 version, not the version in jessie as you said eariler.
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858[03:13:36] <Jaro> still doesn't make sense to me, but I shall see lol
859[03:13:58] <Jaro> i'm starting to wonder now if i catually installed the amd one by accident haha
860[03:14:08] <somiaj> Jaro: it is due to how packages depend on one another. And debian won't allow you to install two different versions of the nvidia drivers.
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862[03:14:12] <Jaro> libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386
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864[03:14:19] <Jaro> that might cause the problem i had...lol
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866[03:14:22] <Jaro> but i'm not sure i did that.
867[03:14:49] <somiaj> Jaro: you have been told your answer, no please refrain from all this noise. The ops are watching and being paitent.
868[03:14:50] <Jaro> somiaj, it doesn't make sense to me i would need to install the library from the backports, what diff does it make?
869[03:15:06] <Jaro> I think now maybe i installed the amd one by accident which screwed everything up.
870[03:15:17] <Jaro> its only thing i can think of right now...
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872[03:15:26] <Jaro> somiaj, well tks for getting me thinking anyways....
873[03:15:31] <Jaro> lol
874[03:15:34] <markybob> yep. another on /ignore...
875[03:15:34] <somiaj> Jaro: no. The version in jessie is 340.96 and the version in jessie-backports is 352.79 (that is differnt right)?
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878[03:15:41] <IdleGandalf> markybob, indeed
879[03:15:50] <Jaro> somiaj, you are not understaind, but tks for joggine my though process
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881[03:16:04] <Jaro> i believe what happened is, when i got to that step, I installed the wrong libary. i installed amd's instead of nvidia.
882[03:16:23] <Jaro> i probably copy and pasted the wrong thing in a rush
883[03:16:27] <Jaro> just like i hit y in a rush lol
884[03:16:29] <Jaro> doh!
885[03:16:32] <somiaj> Jaro: anyways, I've taken to much tiem with this. Its time you move on and go fit your problem.
886[03:16:37] * jml2 wonders how fglrx is an nvidia driver
887[03:16:40] <Jaro> somiaj, tks for trying.
888[03:16:45] <Jaro> jml2, it obviously isn't, fucktard
889[03:17:04] <Jaro> the 32 bit lib is alos not nescessary for driver, only for steam.
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891[03:17:29] <markybob> Jaro: i don't even like jml2 but he's not the fucktard here. c'mon.
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897[03:17:48] <somiaj> Jaro: last warning, come back when you have cooled of and can use better langauge.
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900[03:18:19] <jml2> too much hate is not a good thing in general
901[03:18:36] <jml2> it only works and divides users... so better to ignore poison i suppose
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911[03:27:50] <nurupo> i'm running debian jessie in my vm, it has nginx-full package installed. however, whenever i try to install roundcube-core package from jessie-backports, it always tries to install apache2 replaced-url
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914[03:28:45] <nurupo> how can i make it use nginx and stop trying to install apache2?
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916[03:29:08] <somiaj> nurupo: it has a hard depends on libapache2-mod-php5 so not easily
917[03:29:24] <somiaj> nurupo: you will probabaly have to build your own package.
918[03:29:29] <nurupo> somiaj: it says "or php5"
919[03:29:36] <jmcnaught> nurupo: it looks like it depends on libapache2-mod-php5 | php5, so just install the php5 package
920[03:29:48] <nurupo> welp, php2 requires apache
921[03:29:53] <somiaj> nurupo: duh, seems you need to have someting provide php5
922[03:29:56] <nurupo> *php5
923[03:30:09] <nurupo> hm
924[03:30:09] <somiaj> nurupo: try this --no-install-recommends
925[03:30:26] <somiaj> nurupo: if you have something providing php5 I also notice that apache2 is a recommended package which are installed by default.
926[03:30:27] <nurupo> sudo apt-get install roundcube-core --no-install-recommends
927[03:30:32] <jmcnaught> nurupo: php5 depends on libapache2-mod-php5 OR php5-cgi
928[03:30:38] <somiaj> nurupo: I think the flag goes eariler
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930[03:31:09] <somiaj> there is a list of recommended packages and nginx is not in the list
931[03:31:20] <nurupo> well, apache2 is not recommended, is required, so that flag doesn't do much
932[03:31:38] <nurupo> i will try resolving that php5 dependency madness
933[03:31:43] <afernandez_> Hello I am trying to remove the following but i am unable to, any help please?
934[03:31:45] <afernandez_> replaced-url
935[03:31:46] <somiaj> (no nevermind there is an or httpd-cgi which is what nginx-full should provided.. I should read more
936[03:31:49] <jmcnaught> actually having php5-fpm installed should be enough for the php5 package
937[03:32:18] <markybob> php5 has no apache requirement. everything jmcnaught has said has been correct.
938[03:32:19] <jml2> nurupo, i think you're incorrect, here it shows it as a recommends (apt-cache show roundcube-core)
939[03:32:27] <jml2> nurupo, here shows me that it is a recommends
940[03:32:56] <nurupo> jml2: well, that flag didn't remove apache2 for me
941[03:32:58] <markybob> afernandez_: yeah, we still remember you're not running debian
942[03:33:02] <somiaj> afernandez_: seems there is an error in the setup script for nagios-nrpe-server that you may have to track down.
943[03:33:30] <jmcnaught> nurupo: are you using php5-fpm?
944[03:33:31] <somiaj> afernandez_: the post install script (line 24) that is erroring out can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
945[03:33:41] <markybob> afernandez_: no matter how often you come back, if you're not using debian, this isn't the place
946[03:33:42] <afernandez_> I see Thank you somj
947[03:33:51] <nurupo> jmcnaught: just installed it. i'm getting too many replies on irc to do anything i nthe vm
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949[03:34:59] <nurupo> jmcnaught: installed php5-fpm, roundcube-core still tries to install apache2
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952[03:35:24] <jmcnaught> nurupo: is the php5 package installed?
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954[03:36:12] <nurupo> jmcnaught: that solved the issue, no more apache2
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958[03:37:25] <jmcnaught> nurupo: hurray! i figured this one out by looking at the dependencies and recommends for each package with "apt-cache show". roundcube-core requires libapache2-mod-php5 OR php5. php5 requires libapache2-mod-php5 OR php5-fpm (or others)
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960[03:37:58] <nurupo> jmcnaught: yeah, so did i. installing php5 and php5-fpm is what i was going to do when i said <nurupo> i will try resolving that php5 dependency madness
961[03:38:11] <nurupo> thanks anyway
962[03:38:11] <markybob> btw the | = "or"
963[03:38:14] <ryouma> /var/run says no space left on device. what does this usually indicate? must i reboot to clear it?
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965[03:38:25] <nurupo> too much help :)
966[03:38:26] <ryouma> nothing stands out as taking up the space
967[03:38:47] <ryouma> df says /run is 100%
968[03:39:06] <ryouma> (apologies for multi-line) the error was WARNING: Could not close lockfile /var/run/rsnapshot.pid: No space left on device
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971[03:39:54] <somiaj> ryouma: how much space is it actually using?
972[03:40:04] <somiaj> ryouma: my /run is only 17M
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976[03:40:25] <somiaj> ryouma: I'd check /run/user as that may be where it is, some user process
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979[03:41:20] <ryouma> ah, 795 /run/atop/atop.acct
980[03:41:26] <ryouma> didn't even know i had atop installed
981[03:42:27] <neet_> Can someone help me getting this command to execute at startup? I appended "xinput set-button-map 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1" without quotes to my rc.local file and restarted the machine but the command didn't get executed. Is there something I need to do differently?
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983[03:43:43] <somiaj> neet_: how do you run your xserver?
984[03:43:54] <somiaj> neet_: you want to use startup apps inside of xorg for this (not the system)
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987[03:44:28] <jml2> neet_, i use a startup similar where I lke to use xinput, but i use it in a user script, not system
988[03:44:35] <neet_> Okay so is there another file I should append this to?
989[03:45:14] <jml2> neet_, your desktop should have a startup facility -- it really depends on the desktop, but three's a generic ~/.xsessionrc i think
990[03:45:16] <somiaj> neet_: If you were using .xsession to run your desktop/wm I would put it there. If you aren't using .xsession then I woudl put it as a startup script that gets run using your desktops normal startup commands/scripts.
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993[03:46:11] <jml2> neet_, if you want it for all users, you can try to fabricate a .desktop and drop that in /etc/xdg/autostart
994[03:46:36] <jml2> neet_, that directory is used by all desktops
995[03:47:08] <jml2> neet_, but if you want it for your desktop only in particular -- you have to find out if ~/.xsessionrc works, or check for <>/autostart somewhere
996[03:49:19] <neet_> Okay, thank you so much guys, I will look into your suggestions.
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1209[05:55:36] <deb> afernandez_, ?
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1212[05:56:44] <nat0> !!
1213[05:56:44] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
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1217[05:56:58] <nat0> these are not the ttys you're looking for
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1219[05:57:36] <Lugal> how can I compress all folders from one directory into different tar.xz archives with a terminal command?
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1223[05:58:34] <deb> Lugal, tar -zcvf "file.tar.gz" "/path/to/directory"
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1225[05:59:13] <markybob> no. not even close
1226[05:59:33] <deb> no?
1227[06:00:16] <nat0> find <directory> -type d -exec tar -cf <tarfile.name> {} \;
1228[06:00:28] <nat0> that should do them each individually
1229[06:00:39] <markybob> Lugal: this should do it replaced-url
1230[06:00:49] <deb> ahh, individually? thats what he wants?
1231[06:00:59] <nat0> i think so
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1235[06:03:27] <Lugal> nat0 to tar.xz?
1236[06:04:06] <markybob> you should use tar.xa on modern systems
1237[06:04:10] <markybob> tar.xz*
1238[06:04:26] <markybob> debian does. redhat does. kerne.org does
1239[06:04:31] <Lugal> and yes, i want compress each folder individually
1240[06:04:38] <Lugal> ok
1241[06:04:51] <jmcnaught> Lugal: you just need to add a J to the "-cf" in the above find command
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1243[06:04:52] <aypea[2]> unless you want speed, in which case pbzip2 is your friend :)
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1245[06:05:09] <Lugal> -cf will make tar.xz automatically?
1246[06:05:13] <Lugal> J=xz?
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1248[06:05:25] <jmcnaught> Lugal: so it says in the tar man page :)
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1251[06:07:13] <Lugal> so its "-cfJ" or "-Jcf"?
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1262[06:08:41] <markybob> if you use - f needs to be last
1263[06:09:11] * Rusty1_ wonders if a well crafted rsync would do it
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1267[06:10:52] <Lugal> ah, so -cJf?
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1270[06:12:01] <Lugal> nat0, and each archive should have the same name as folder +tar.xz
1271[06:12:09] <markybob> Lugal: right
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1282[06:20:56] <Sean_A91> Hello all, I'm running into a bit of an issue on a new install of Debian, running on a virtulbox instance, when I try to run npm install, it hangs and eventually throws an etimedout error, The iptables are all wide open, and I can ping the IP and replaced-url
1283[06:20:56] <Sean_A91> Perhaps someone in here who is more familiar with Debian than I am, has any idea as to why this wouldn't work?
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1286[06:23:16] <markybob> ,v npm
1287[06:23:17] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
1288[06:23:31] <markybob> so there you go. it's in debian
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1291[06:24:20] <Sean_A91> I'm sorry, markybob? What do you mean?
1292[06:24:30] <Sean_A91> I already have it installed, that isn't the issue
1293[06:24:48] <markybob> i guess i misunderstood
1294[06:24:55] <Sean_A91> that's fine! Thanks though
1295[06:25:02] <Sean_A91> npm is a package manager, it's installs other packages
1296[06:25:14] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: are you using the version from Debian, or the one from upstream or nodesource.com or something? Can you access that URL with w3m or wget?
1297[06:25:14] <Sean_A91> npm install is the command for installing the package
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1302[06:26:21] <Sean_A91> I am using the version of NPM that comes with node 6.20 from nodesource.com
1303[06:26:42] <Sean_A91> let me look into w3m and wget and i'll give it a shot, ty and brb
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1316[06:33:39] <Sean_A91> jmcnaught: Thanks, looked into those, I don't quite think those would work, but I tried wget anyways and it hung just like npm install
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1320[06:35:16] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: i get a JSON response with "w3m replaced-url
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1324[06:35:53] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: on the VBox host's OS, can you access that URL in a browser? Can the Debian VM access any network resources?
1325[06:36:18] <Sean_A91> Yes I tried that on the host, NPM runs just fine, and I get a json from going to that
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1328[06:36:30] <Sean_A91> I'm trying W3m now and nothing is loading
1329[06:36:36] <Sean_A91> "Opening socket" is all it says
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1333[06:37:05] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: can you access anything else from the VM right now?
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1336[06:37:34] <Sean_A91> w3m google.com gets the same result, hanging on opening the socket
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1342[06:39:21] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: how are you connected to the VM, by SSH or the VBox console? You could try "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" (or whatever interface name you're using
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1346[06:39:57] <Sean_A91> I'm currently using a console
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1348[06:40:20] <Sean_A91> but i'm also connected to it through an FTP externally, with my network IP
1349[06:40:31] <Sean_A91> i can also ping google.com
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1351[06:41:54] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: have you set up a firewall?
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1353[06:43:07] <Sean_A91> jmcnaught: i have not setup any firewalls, and my iptables are all at their default, all says "ACCEPT" for their policy, inbound and outbound
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1355[06:43:59] <Sean_A91> Also I have disabled my belkin router's firewall
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1361[06:47:38] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: traceroute has a -T option to use TCP, you could try and see where things are getting held up
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1363[06:48:21] <Sean_A91> Interesting, ty, i'll try that
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1366[06:49:06] <tensorpudding> How does one start a service that only has a sysvinit startup script in systemd?
1367[06:49:46] <jmcnaught> tensorpudding: you can treat them the same as services that have service units, systemd is backwards compatible with LSB init scripts
1368[06:49:47] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, what are you using for DNS?
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1370[06:50:18] <tensorpudding> jmcnaught: I thought so, but I can't figure out the right invocation of systemctl.
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1372[06:50:51] <jmcnaught> tensorpudding: "systemctl start service"
1373[06:50:58] <tensorpudding> Oh, I was mispelling the service.
1374[06:51:12] <tensorpudding> apcupsd is really hard to spell, I keep wanting to start it like ACPI.
1375[06:51:13] <mi11k1> haha, nice
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1377[06:51:21] <mi11k1> use tab
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1379[06:51:41] <Sean_A91> mi11k1: I honestly don't know, whatever is my default
1380[06:51:51] <Sean_A91> but i'm trying out a setting
1381[06:51:56] <Sean_A91> i'm thinking this is a virtualbox issue
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1384[06:52:09] <mi11k1> are you bridging?
1385[06:52:11] <Sean_A91> traceroute returned nothing but " * * *"
1386[06:52:14] <mi11k1> or nat?
1387[06:52:17] <Sean_A91> Yes I have a bridged adapter
1388[06:52:24] <mi11k1> try nat
1389[06:52:36] <Sean_A91> I can connect to my server over the router just fine too
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1392[06:53:00] <mi11k1> is your VM using NM?
1393[06:53:10] <Sean_A91> Sorry, what is NM?
1394[06:53:16] <mi11k1> network-manager
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1396[06:53:35] <Sean_A91> I honestly do not know
1397[06:53:40] <mi11k1> ok,
1398[06:53:46] <Sean_A91> Switching to Nat
1399[06:53:54] <mi11k1> what are you failing to connect to?
1400[06:54:19] <Sean_A91> I can ping, but "w3m google.com" fails, and what i'm trying to do is use NPM install
1401[06:54:33] <mi11k1> why the caps?
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1403[06:54:42] <Sean_A91> no reason
1404[06:54:47] <Sean_A91> I type it in as "npm install"
1405[06:54:47] <mi11k1> ok
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1409[06:55:11] <mi11k1> edit /etc/network/interfaces in the VM
1410[06:55:29] <mi11k1> and try adding dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4
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1412[06:55:38] <mi11k1> at the end of your eth0
1413[06:55:46] <mi11k1> or whatevr iface yer using
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1415[06:56:27] <jmcnaught> mi11k1: Sean_A91 wasn't having DNS failures, why do you think this would help?
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1417[06:56:35] <mi11k1> are you using oracle with the addons installed on your host?
1418[06:56:50] <mi11k1> i dunno, i always use googles dns
1419[06:57:29] <mi11k1> im not even sure if i understand whaat his problem is really
1420[06:57:32] <Sean_A91> Yeah, I follow debian's manuals on installed the addons for virtualbox
1421[06:57:41] <Sean_A91> TCP is failing basically
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1423[06:57:47] <jmcnaught> i don't like configuring google DNS on any system, i want them all to use the router's instance of dnsmasq so local machines can all resolve each other
1424[06:57:48] <Sean_A91> but I can still ping
1425[06:58:04] <Sean_A91> starting up the VM with NAT
1426[06:58:06] <mi11k1> pastebin the ouput of the fail
1427[06:58:14] <mi11k1> output*
1428[06:58:18] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: what OS is the host? You might be better off getting networking help in #vbox
1429[06:58:53] <Sean_A91> Yeah I just wasnt honestly sure if this was a vbox or debian issue at first
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1431[06:59:00] <Sean_A91> now i'm almost positive it's vbox...
1432[06:59:03] <mjmo> he guys
1433[06:59:05] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, if youre messing about with npm, look into docker
1434[06:59:20] <mi11k1> docker pull
1435[06:59:21] <mjmo> why is systemd listening on 443?
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1437[06:59:46] <jmcnaught> mjmo: maybe for a .socket associated with a .service that listend on 443?
1438[06:59:50] <mjmo> nginx says it cant start a https server on 443
1439[07:00:13] <mjmo> jmcnaught: its driving me nuts..
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1441[07:00:31] <Sean_A91> Do you have anything like apache installed?
1442[07:00:31] <mi11k1> thats too bad, i like port 443
1443[07:00:33] <jmcnaught> mjmo: how are you starting nginx?
1444[07:01:11] <mi11k1> nmap localhost?
1445[07:01:39] <mjmo> jmcnaught: using systemctl
1446[07:01:46] <mi11k1> systemctl info nginx or whatever
1447[07:02:02] <mjmo> nginx works fine,
1448[07:02:23] <mjmo> i couldnt figure out why apache can bind 443
1449[07:02:32] <mjmo> while nginx could not
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1451[07:02:48] <mi11k1> then youre probably missing some packages
1452[07:02:50] <Sean_A91> mi11k1: Switching to nat instead of bridged worked, thanks. but now I can't connect to it with FTP.... I had originally switched to that to fix my FTP issue XD I'll figure that out now, networking is not my forte, I don't really even know what these different adapters mean TBH
1453[07:02:52] <mi11k1> or something
1454[07:02:56] <mjmo> and when apache is running on 443, i get random cert error
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1456[07:03:06] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, make another iface
1457[07:03:38] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, is your ftp LAN?
1458[07:03:52] <mi11k1> or outside?
1459[07:03:53] <jmcnaught> mjmo: do you need apache running?
1460[07:04:18] <Sean_A91> it's all done on the same pc
1461[07:04:30] <mi11k1> is it another VM, the ftp?
1462[07:04:34] <Sean_A91> nah
1463[07:04:45] <Sean_A91> The ftp client is on the host
1464[07:04:52] <Sean_A91> the server is on the VM
1465[07:04:54] <mi11k1> okay, add another iface on your lans subnet
1466[07:05:20] <mi11k1> make another iface thats bridged
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1468[07:05:28] <jmcnaught> Sean_A91: #vbox can probably help you configure bridge networking
1469[07:05:33] <mi11k1> shouldnt have to, but
1470[07:06:01] <mi11k1> Sean_A91, dmesg might give you some info
1471[07:06:22] <Sean_A91> Yeah I won't bother you folks with this anymore, Thanks for the suggestion mi11k1
1472[07:06:25] <mjmo> jmcnaught: i saw a https service running on 443
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1474[07:06:35] <mjmo> but i didnt start any web server
1475[07:06:57] <mjmo> nmap tells me im running https on that port
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1477[07:07:35] <mi11k1> well, something is there
1478[07:08:01] <mi11k1> webmin?
1479[07:08:07] <mi11k1> is that using it?
1480[07:08:08] <mjmo> how do i find out what program is using it?
1481[07:08:14] <mjmo> webmin?
1482[07:08:48] <mi11k1> do systemctl apache2 stop
1483[07:08:56] <mi11k1> do systemctl nginx stop
1484[07:09:03] <mi11k1> then nmap, i dunno
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1487[07:09:21] <mjmo> mi11k1: its started by 1/init
1488[07:09:32] <mi11k1> check /etc/default/
1489[07:09:39] <mjmo> but why the hell init is using 443?
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1493[07:09:55] <mjmo> it even put a cert in there
1494[07:10:05] <mjmo> fk...
1495[07:10:10] <mi11k1> i dont know anything about that stuff
1496[07:10:33] <jmcnaught> mjmo: netstat -tlpn | grep 443
1497[07:11:17] <mjmo> jmcnaught: yes i did that
1498[07:11:26] <mjmo> and it says init/1
1499[07:11:39] <mjmo> i dont understand...
1500[07:12:05] <mjmo> the service fingerprint contains something like VPN
1501[07:12:16] <mjmo> enter your username or something
1502[07:12:29] <jmcnaught> mjmo: systemctl list-units -t socket
1503[07:12:52] <mjmo> wait... I think i kinda figured it out
1504[07:13:11] <mjmo> i might have set ocserv on 443...
1505[07:13:18] <mjmo> hell...
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1508[07:13:57] <mjmo> what.. its 444
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1511[07:15:06] <jmcnaught> mjmo: when you look at the list of sockets, you can check each one for "ListenStream=443"
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1514[07:17:11] <mjmo> jmcnaught: i see nothing on 443
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1516[07:17:23] <mjmo> ocserv.socket is on 444
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1518[07:17:46] <mjmo> after killing it i could not 443 free
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1521[07:18:54] <jmcnaught> mjmo: so netstat says init/1 listens on the port, but you cannot find an active socket unit that listens to it? Can you put the output of "systemctl list-units -t socket" in a paste?
1522[07:19:07] <mjmo> jmcnaught: sure
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1527[07:20:32] <mjmo> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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1533[07:23:25] <jmcnaught> mjmo: what does "systemctl show ocserv.socket | grep Listen" say?
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1535[07:24:07] <mjmo> replaced-url
1536[07:24:12] <mjmo> holy shit...
1537[07:24:19] <mjmo> its on 443!
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1540[07:25:24] <jmcnaught> mjmo: so i don't know where you got this ocserv, but the way socket activation works in systemd is you make a socket unit, tell it the port/UDS, then you make a service unit with the same name. systemd listed on the port defined in the socket, and starts the service when there's activity
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1542[07:25:52] <mjmo> jmcnaught: netstat shows ocserv is on 444 not 443
1543[07:25:59] <jmcnaught> mjmo: so if you're using something that's socket activated like this, you need to change the port in the service's own config, and in it's socket
1544[07:26:03] <mjmo> why does it listen on 443 anyway
1545[07:26:18] <jmcnaught> mjmo: yes, you have configured systemd to listen on port 443, read what i said above
1546[07:26:26] <mjmo> i see
1547[07:26:33] <mjmo> its weird...
1548[07:26:48] <jmcnaught> mjmo: it allows systemd to not start something until it's needed
1549[07:27:35] <mjmo> jmcnaught: thank you, i will ask someone in ocserv channel
1550[07:28:10] <jmcnaught> mjmo: you likely just need to redefine these two directives in a file in /etc/systemd/systemd/ocserv.socket.d/
1551[07:28:45] <mjmo> jmcnaught: okay, i will check that
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1554[07:30:11] <jmcnaught> mjmo: for example /etc/systemd/systemd/ocserv.socket.d/ports.conf, and then use the two lines from your replaced-url
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1556[07:31:16] <mjmo> jmcnaught: thank you, its all solved!
1557[07:31:26] <mjmo> now nginx is running fine
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1559[07:31:49] <mjmo> i changed the listen stream to 446
1560[07:32:06] <jmcnaught> mjmo: sweet! replaced-url
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1563[07:33:12] <mjmo> jmcnaught: cool, i will read that
1564[07:34:07] <mi11k1> i should read that too
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1569[07:36:26] <mi11k1> if i wanted to run a bare minimum X, so i could use chromium is kiosk mode or node-webkit, webian or whatever, what is the best way? right now, i install slim,xorg, and openbox
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1571[07:36:57] <mi11k1> just because thats what i know
1572[07:36:59] <w3bcrawler> hey guys, what's the proper way to add something to my PATH? it seems I've appended the desired directory to all of the config files I could find and the changes aren't taking effect
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1574[07:37:16] <mi11k1> logout and log back in
1575[07:37:24] <w3bcrawler> tried that
1576[07:37:58] <jmcnaught> mi11k1: i recommend using chromium or iceweasel/firefox-esr. all of the other browsers on jessie are not covered by security support
1577[07:37:59] <mi11k1> export PATH=/some/path:$PATH
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1583[07:39:22] <mi11k1> jmcnaught, its just for internal stuff, but what do i need for X and wm or what?
1584[07:39:27] <w3bcrawler> do i add that to ~/.profile ? ~/.bashrc ? /etc/profile ? ~/.bash_profile ?
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1586[07:39:40] <mi11k1> i use .bashrc, im pretty newb
1587[07:39:47] <w3bcrawler> cuz i'm pretty sure i've tried each one
1588[07:39:47] <mi11k1> seems to work
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1591[07:40:14] <mi11k1> ~/.bashrc i usually do, i guess it depends on the circumstances
1592[07:40:18] <mi11k1> of the case
1593[07:40:39] <mi11k1> i read some stuff on it recently, and im unclear still
1594[07:40:47] <jmcnaught> w3bcrawler: ~/.bashrc for the type of shell (interactive) that you get in a terminal emulator in X. ~/.profile for the type of shell (login) you get when on a tty
1595[07:41:12] <mi11k1> nice, really?
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1598[07:41:27] <mi11k1> that explains a few things
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1602[07:42:02] <w3bcrawler> brb
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1606[07:42:47] <jmcnaught> mi11k1: see the INVOCATION section of the bash man page
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1609[07:43:27] <w3bcrawler> shit.. total brain fart. who helped me?
1610[07:43:47] <w3bcrawler> i need to know who to send my firstborn to
1611[07:43:49] <w3bcrawler> <3
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1617[07:45:39] <w3bcrawler> one last question, where can I run a terminal command so that it takes effect prior to X's login screen?
1618[07:46:08] <mutante> /etc/rc.local ? me hides,, just joined :p
1619[07:47:27] <mutante> w3bcrawler: i have this in /etc/rc.local from back in the days:
1620[07:47:34] <mutante> # don't want bluetooth
1621[07:47:34] <mutante> echo disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth
1622[07:47:59] <w3bcrawler> thx bud, i'll give that a shot
1623[07:48:44] <w3bcrawler> brb
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1672[08:21:59] <w3bcrawler> mutante: apparently i can't use that program in rc.local since the x server needs to be started :|
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1674[08:22:24] <w3bcrawler> so now i'm trying to find a way to run the command after X starts, but before I login
1675[08:22:28] <w3bcrawler> (xrandr)
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1799[09:27:14] <jr91> Hello, I have a geforce 6150se in an old computer, was getting graphics crashes with nouveau drivers so installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver from apt-get. My resolution is stuck at 640x480, can anyone help?
1800[09:27:45] <babilen> How did you install and configure it?
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1804[09:29:01] <jr91> Installed through apt-get, used nvidia-xconfig after installation to auto configure/etc/X11/xorg.conf
1805[09:29:53] <jr91> @babilen
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1814[09:33:26] <jr91> babilen: I am also getting occasional flickering when I open a new window
1815[09:33:28] <babilen> jr91: I don't like nvidia-xconfig as it creates a huge monolithic configuration that really isn't necessary. You might want to check replaced-url
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1817[09:33:50] <babilen> You did reboot the box, didn't you?
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1820[09:34:29] <jr91> babilen: yeah I did reboot
1821[09:35:16] <babilen> Try a minimal config (cf. replaced-url
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1824[09:36:52] <mi11k1> ohh man
1825[09:36:59] <mi11k1> good old nvidia
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1832[09:40:33] <jr91> babilen: sorry, will I need to delete my current xorg.conf and uninstall the legacy driver I have now before I try this
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1834[09:40:51] <babilen> Oh, you didn't install the dkms module?
1835[09:40:51] <jr91> the link for support for legacy gpus says it installs the legacy driver along with the linux headers
1836[09:40:59] <jr91> no I did not
1837[09:41:15] <jr91> apt-get install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
1838[09:41:17] <jr91> that was it
1839[09:41:24] <jr91> and the xconfig
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1847[09:42:49] <babilen> That should pull in the dkms module, shouldn't it? Is it listed as installed (ii) when you run "dpkg -l nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms" ? Also, what does "dkms status" and "uname -a" give you? Anything interesting in the logs? (check "journalctl")
1848[09:43:18] <babilen> And yes, you would have to remove the generated xorg.conf and replace it with the minimal "manual" one
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1850[09:43:54] <babilen> The config generated by nvidida-xconfig should™ work though
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1852[09:46:04] <jr91> yeah looks like it is installed
1853[09:46:13] <jr91> dkms status: nvidia-legacy-304xx, 304.131, 3.16.0-4-amd64, x86_64: installed
1854[09:46:28] <jr91> has ii in dpkg -l command
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1868[09:51:41] <babilen> Great, so it is installed and the module is present. Try the minimal config and then check the logs. You might also want to check that your device is actually supported by that driver. For that run "lspci -nn|grep VGA" and search for the pciid (alphanumerical identifier in [....] at the end) on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.131/README/README.txt
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1871[09:52:06] <babilen> If you could provide a paste of the log and/or the lspci command that would also help in debugging this issue
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1880[09:56:46] <jr91> babilen: yes pciid is found in the readme, and my gpu model is also listed in the debian package description replaced-url
1881[09:57:03] <babilen> Good, that's a start :)
1882[09:57:03] <jr91> lspci output:
1883[09:57:04] <jr91> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] [10de:03d0] (rev a2)
1884[09:57:09] <jr91> trying minimal config now
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1909[10:11:57] <ecom> Apt is stuck on a dependency loop. I'm trying to install libgtk-3-common, but it depends on libgtk-3-0, which depends on libgtk-3-common. Any fix?
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1920[10:17:32] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1921[10:17:32] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1922[10:17:37] <jelly> ecom: ^^
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1931[10:22:09] <ecom> jelly: replaced-url
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1933[10:23:03] <jelly> oh, you're on sid
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1935[10:23:43] <ecom> I know that there's another IRC channel for that, but I don't think it's a sid specific issue
1936[10:23:46] <jelly> wait until the package gets built for i386
1937[10:23:55] <jelly> it definitely is
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1942[10:24:23] <jelly> ,v libgtk-3-common --arch i386
1943[10:24:24] <judd> Package: libgtk-3-common on i386 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie: 3.14.5-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.20.4-1; sid: 3.20.5-2
1944[10:24:40] <ecom> ??? It's avaialable i386, what are you talking about? replaced-url
1945[10:24:45] <themill> ecom: you don't run sid if you need packages to be installable at any given instant.
1946[10:25:09] <jelly> ecom: it's not available in any repo you have configured.
1947[10:25:39] <ecom> I don't understand, is there something wrong with my sources.list?
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1951[10:26:27] <jelly> ecom: not really. This is just how sid works. Stuff gets broken.
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1954[10:27:14] <ecom> Ok, but I'm looking for a solution
1955[10:27:24] <jelly> !debian-next
1956[10:27:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1957[10:27:31] <jelly> ^^ the right place to ask
1958[10:28:27] <themill> ecom: the solution is either to wait or not to use sid
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1960[10:28:51] <themill> you might be able to grab the relevant packages from snapshots but that's going to be quite some grunt work to get them all
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1962[10:29:46] <jelly> ecom: you could wait, or enable testing and dowgrade all the src:gtk3 packages to that version, or maybe build it yourself, the point is when you choose to run sid you have to able to do that stuff on your own
1963[10:30:56] <ecom> I literally had libgtk3-0 30 minutes ago. I was having some issues so I did "apt-get uninstall libgtk-3-0" and now I can't reinstall the package I just uninstalled.
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1967[10:31:58] <jr91> babilen: alright so with the minimal config I'm now getting resolutions up to 1360x768
1968[10:32:12] <jelly> oh, it's src:gtk+3.0 sorry
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1970[10:33:40] <babilen> jr91: So nvidia-xconfig fucked up?
1971[10:34:02] <jr91> babilen: that would seem to be the case
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1973[10:34:22] <babilen> jr91: I am not surprised .. Is that the resolution you want?
1974[10:34:25] <jr91> but my monitor is 1920x1080 so I'm still not getting full resolution
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1976[10:34:30] <babilen> ah
1977[10:34:58] <jr91> should I try adding a mode with xrandr?
1978[10:35:04] <babilen> What does "xrandr -q" return?
1979[10:35:30] <jelly> ecom: apt/dpkg logs will show which specific version you had installed and whether it was the exact same one that's not available for i386 right now (but is there in amd64) replaced-url
1980[10:35:35] <babilen> And yeah, you could try to add a mode .. or add sensible modelines for your display if the edid is wrong (look into read-edid and modelines)
1981[10:35:47] <jelly> ecom: but really this kind of stuff happens all the time with sid
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1983[10:35:52] <jr91> it's about 12 lines, should I paste here or link pastebin
1984[10:36:13] <babilen> Please use a pastebin such as replaced-url
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1986[10:36:52] <jr91> replaced-url
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1989[10:37:33] <jr91> oh just saw the 'please do not paste' thing at the top
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1991[10:37:36] <jr91> hah
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1995[10:38:23] <babilen> jr91: Obviously some modes are missing .. you could try the nvidia driver version in jessie-backports (not sure what changed, but it is slightly newer) first though
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1997[10:39:26] <jr91> babilen: the backports version is what I had installed first when I couldn't raise the resolution past 640x480
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2000[10:40:26] <babilen> Yeah
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2011[10:42:41] <vlt> Hello. It’s usually not a goot sign when you find a directory called /var/cache/apt/archives/pqrtial/, right?
2012[10:42:48] <vlt> *good
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2021[10:46:37] <jelly> vlt: that bit flip from a to q is a bit suspect yes
2022[10:46:57] <jelly> check your RAM
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2039[10:55:15] <Walakea> why is the clisp package availible only in wheezy, sid and experimental?
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2042[10:56:27] <jelly> Walakea: that usually indicates it had been too buggy during the whole jessie freeze and release process and noone fixed it in time
2043[10:56:56] <jelly> absence from testing indicates it's still very buggy
2044[10:57:19] <jelly> !why is clisp not in testing
2045[10:57:19] <dpkg> clisp is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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2048[10:58:19] <Walakea> i did not think that bugginess would be the reason
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2057[11:03:27] <jr91> babilen: thank you for your help
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2059[11:03:36] <fennesz> Hello ! Is there any tool I can test my cpu's health?
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2064[11:12:17] <digdilem> fennesz, "stress" is a command to stress test your computer generally, including cpu health
2065[11:12:28] <digdilem> although generally, they tend to "just work" or "just not work"
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2084[11:21:45] <fennesz> digdilem, sry for late response
2085[11:22:06] <fennesz> digdilem, what do you mean "just not work"?
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2088[11:22:52] <digdilem> the cpu - most people don't do a health test, so it' s a fairly unusual question. if a cpu if dead, it's dead. If it's working, it's working. There's very rarely any middle ground like "it's poorly" or "it's not doing what I expect"
2089[11:23:19] <digdilem> what reason do you have for suspecting it?
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2098[11:26:41] <fennesz> digdilem, actually I am experiencing strange high cpu loads with youtube and iceweasel in general . I have a laptop with 2 graphics cards . I tried to run iceweasel with intel's integraded gpu and with nvidia , same results
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2101[11:27:50] <digdilem> is that a problem with the cpu, or are you wanting to see what programs are using the cpu?
2102[11:28:30] <JarJarBi1ks> Hi. I am trying to write a startup script, which used to be in inittab. I can see that inittab , upstart and systemd is used for this purpose, and different versions of distributions have switched between these systems. Is there a way to actually know which of these three systems is being used on the system I am on. Think of something like sysctl boot.system ... that should answer systemd or whatever.
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2105[11:28:52] <fennesz> actually I am trying to find out what is wrong with my system in general , digdilem
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2108[11:29:30] <digdilem> fennesz, htop or top show what's using cpu (and ram) - good things to start with. iotop can be useful if there's a lot of disk activity.
2109[11:29:36] <Walakea> fennesz which CPU do you have?
2110[11:29:37] <JarJarBi1ks> And yes. I have tried writing upstart scripts in both inittab, upstart and systemd... but I did not get any of them to work. So now I try to figure out which of the upstart scripts I should actually deubg.
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2113[11:30:22] <fennesz> Walakea, i7 - 4700hq
2114[11:30:23] <Walakea> fennesz and powertop for measuring energy consumption, and even the --auto-tune option for lowering it
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2124[11:34:49] <Walakea> fennesz i am not sure but you may want to install backported package xserver-xorg-video-intel
2125[11:35:19] <fennesz> Walakea,not this already installed byb official repos?
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2127[11:35:52] <fennesz> Walakea, I am talking about the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver
2128[11:36:11] <Walakea> fennesz stable version, in my case did not support my integrated GPU so i installed backported and it worked (i have quite new laptop)
2129[11:36:37] <fennesz> also how can I check for any graphic driver issues on any logs?
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2131[11:37:31] <Walakea> fennesz i only know about the command "dmesg"
2132[11:38:30] <Walakea> fennesz also i got my energy consumption down a little by installing bbswitch-dkms (apparently nvidia card was using energy even though it wasnt being used)
2133[11:38:33] <ebisu> I'd just like to say that after using Slackware for a long tim, trying anything realted to Debian, or any of the *buntus has been a heinously displeasurable experience. I can live with the fact that apt is the worst package manager in the world of GNU/Linux. I used to use Debian a few years ago and I loved it. After trying out Devuan I finally realized something. System D being shit isn't just some stupid meme. Just about every fucking
2134[11:38:33] <ebisu> problem in the GNU/Linux world that I've had can be linked to System D making everything retardedly complicated and non UNIXy. For the first time I'm using something related to Debian that I haven't had a terrible time with. Since Hexchat points me to this channel when I start it I thought I would let you guys know this.
2135[11:38:36] <ebisu> System D a shit
2136[11:39:01] <fennesz> Walakea, ahh good to know
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2138[11:39:20] <fennesz> Walakea, have you installed bumblebee
2139[11:39:40] <bugzbunny> fennesz: You watching Youtube in Iceweasel?
2140[11:40:00] <bugzbunny> Also, video related issues is located in Xorg.* logs in /var/log
2141[11:40:12] <Walakea> fennesz yes but i dont use it for anything because i still did not get my nvidia card to work
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2143[11:40:22] <Walakea> fennesz buying AMD next time
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2145[11:42:00] <Walakea> fennesz proprietary drivers i dont want to use and they will most probably break my system; nouveau is not even close to proprietary drivers
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2150[11:44:23] <fennesz> Walakea, ok !
2151[11:44:56] <Walakea> fennesz how long are you using Debian?
2152[11:45:42] <fennesz> bugzbunny, yes I am watching youtube on iceweasel
2153[11:45:58] <fennesz> Walakea, I have blacklisted nouveau
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2155[11:48:14] <Walakea> fennesz in my case, being idle costs about 5-6 W, watching youtube video hets it up to about 12 W
2156[11:48:23] <Walakea> *gets
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2167[11:53:24] <fennesz> Walakea, I get 60C when watching videos on iceweasel
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2170[11:54:04] <fennesz> Walakea, sometimes even more (65C) . When watching videos on vlc I get ca 52-55C max
2171[11:54:42] <Walakea> you mean °C?
2172[11:54:52] <Walakea> i was talking about watts
2173[11:55:02] <fennesz> yes talking about temps
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2175[11:55:19] <fennesz> I know you re talking about watts :)
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2177[11:55:39] <bugzbunny> fennesz: More than likely, you are using Flash
2178[11:56:14] <Walakea> on debian you can not be using flash unless you install it
2179[11:56:14] <fennesz> bugzbunny, ok
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2181[11:56:27] <fennesz> is there a workaround ? I know I can enable html5
2182[11:56:39] <fennesz> but there will be flash on other sites too
2183[11:56:40] <Walakea> the reason why you can watch youtube videos without flash is HTML 5
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2185[11:57:20] <Walakea> there is gnash but i was able to live without any flash
2186[11:57:57] <fennesz> ok will look into gnash too
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2189[11:58:27] <bugzbunny> fennesz: I am not sure about Iceweasel, from what I gathered from the Internet, is just Firefox.. Firefox would still have to support the codecs
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2191[11:58:52] <fennesz> bugzbunny, but still use flash?
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2193[11:59:49] <bugzbunny> fennesz: First, I'd like to know what process is using high cpu usage, verify that it's iceweasel. Run, top or htop
2194[12:00:08] <fennesz> ok
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2197[12:01:30] <bugzbunny> As for as HTML5, I am not sure what backend Iceweasel uses for Media playback, ffmeg or gstreamer. I suppose you can install both and head to a HTML5 test page. Youtube should pick it up by default.
2198[12:02:27] <fennesz> bugzbunny, its iceweasel. I got 250% cpu once I started iceweasel, then cpu usage dropped to 50, 60% cpu and stayed at 50% . These with 1 tab open with one youtube video
2199[12:03:01] <bugzbunny> fennesz: What is the name of the process that is using 50%?
2200[12:03:07] <fennesz> temps went also high , at 60oC
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2203[12:04:01] <fennesz> you mean the "command" in top ?
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2205[12:04:13] <fennesz> in that case its iceweasel
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2208[12:05:10] <bugzbunny> Alright, on the youtube page, right click, does it say HTML5?
2209[12:05:28] <bugzbunny> Or state something about changing flash settings?
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2211[12:05:56] <fennesz> bugzbunny, yes its html5
2212[12:06:33] <bugzbunny> Click stats for nerds
2213[12:06:53] <fennesz> I knew I had it enabled
2214[12:06:53] <fennesz> no it says something about html5 player
2215[12:06:54] <fennesz> also when going forward on the vid cpu goes to 300% 250% cpu then drops again to 50% . This is while it is loading and I am hearing the cpu fan spin loud
2216[12:07:17] <bugzbunny> Ok, click on stats for nerds, and what is the mime type?
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2218[12:07:49] <fennesz> Ok one moment
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2220[12:08:18] <fennesz> bugzbunny, you need codecs?
2221[12:09:17] <fennesz> avc1.64001F,mp4a.40.2 bugzbunny
2222[12:09:17] <fennesz> video/mp4
2223[12:09:20] <bugzbunny> I'd like to know what codec the video is playing in
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2226[12:10:12] <fennesz> bugzbunny, the codec is this : avc1.64001F,mp4a.40.2
2227[12:10:13] <fennesz> that is what it says anyway
2228[12:10:13] <fennesz> sry brb bugzbunny
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2230[12:10:21] <bugzbunny> Ok, well, you _are_ already playing in HTML5 with H.264, which can be GPU accelerated
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2246[12:15:18] <Walakea> fennesz did you reboot after installing backported intel driver?
2247[12:15:29] <bugzbunny> The thing is, Intel iGPU are not that powerful, and will raise the temp for any application that uses it. That's unavoidable but 50-250% cpu usage could be a bug in Iceweasel. I would try to use Iceweasel with a *new* profile and see if you can reproduce it.
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2276[12:30:15] <antZero> Is there a way to set custom dpi on different applications? e.g. 96 dpi for firefox and 72 dpi for xorg
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2285[12:35:40] <Epakai> no, are you dealing with a high dpi display?
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2289[12:37:36] <JyZyXEL> why do you have to choose a static DPI setting in Xorg anyways?
2290[12:38:03] <Epakai> because dpi is fixed... and xorg is old
2291[12:38:06] <JyZyXEL> like where do 72x72, 92x92 and 120x120 DPI even come from?
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2293[12:38:43] <Epakai> ideally your monitor tells it's dimensions and resolution to x and it sets it appropriately
2294[12:38:52] <JyZyXEL> and what DPI am i supposed to use with a monitor that has a PPI of 108.79?
2295[12:39:10] <antZero> xorg on 96 is good but firefox on 96 looks huge and horrible
2296[12:39:26] <antZero> on 72 the situation is reversed
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2298[12:40:21] <Epakai> replaced-url
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2305[12:43:40] <antZero> oh,nice
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2430[13:40:28] <Marqin> Hello, is there some known bug in wheezy's bridging? I've multiple VMs birdged using brctl. On one of them there is samba server. And when some users starts fastly/excesivelly move files on it whole server's network die ( also on VM host! )
2431[13:40:37] <VietnamFlashback> GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MOORNNINNG VIEETNAMMM!!!
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2433[13:41:01] <Marqin> also, no errors in syslog,kern, messages, daemon, etc.
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2455[13:52:15] <fennesz> Walakea, sry had to dc
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2461[13:55:01] <fennesz> Walakea, like I said I just reinstalled the intel video driver and yes I rebooted next
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2468[13:57:08] <fennesz> Walakea, I have not jessie-backports on my sources.list
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2471[13:57:30] <Walakea> then you need to add it
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2473[13:57:53] <Walakea> fennesz how much are familiar with Debian and package managing?
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2477[13:59:05] <fennesz> Walakea, I can add jessie-backports on my sources list .But would like to go with the stable packages .
2478[13:59:08] <fennesz> Am I wrong?
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2480[13:59:31] <Brunetty> I created a dir in /var/replaced-url
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2482[14:00:12] <Walakea> fennesz backports are intended to work with stable systems
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2486[14:00:38] <fennesz> Walakea, what if I need to uninstall the driver . Will I loose my display?
2487[14:01:17] <Walakea> fennesz i guess so, but you surely will be able to install the stable version again
2488[14:01:19] <fennesz> Also will it override the current installed driver automatically or is there anything special about this ?
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2490[14:01:47] <Walakea> fennesz newer versions always override older versions
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2492[14:01:53] <fennesz> I am worried cause I had some trouble installing optimus - bumblebee
2493[14:02:05] <fennesz> Walakea, ah ok good to know
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2497[14:02:18] <Walakea> fennesz i had issues installing nvidia drivers
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2501[14:02:55] <Walakea> fennesz fortunately there is crtl + alt + [F1 - F6]
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2503[14:03:09] <Walakea> F7 for GUI
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2505[14:03:15] <fennesz> Walakea, I had also problems installing ati drivers on my desktop ...
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2508[14:03:24] <fennesz> ok
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2510[14:03:41] <Walakea> i think backported intel should not cause any problems
2511[14:03:42] <fennesz> I will try your suggestion as soon I get home ( 2 hours from now )
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2515[14:04:45] <Walakea> also make sure to install powertop, it really helps you with power management
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2538[14:11:26] <fennesz> Walakea, Ok will do
2539[14:11:40] <fennesz> appreciate your help Walakea
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2648[14:59:10] <safinaskar> how to get to #debian-next channel?
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2650[14:59:22] <safinaskar> "You must be invited"
2651[14:59:33] <FinalX> it's on a different server
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2654[15:00:02] <safinaskar> FinalX: oops, sorry :)
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2657[15:00:35] <FinalX> forgot which one though, otfc or something?
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2660[15:01:02] <safinaskar> FinalX: oftc, now i see (topic says)
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2664[15:02:01] <FinalX> ah, d'oh
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2825[16:10:24] <Arcanos> Hello people
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2832[16:11:47] <joze> Hi person.
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2843[16:17:41] <antZero> Hi
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2852[16:20:59] <Arcanos> I am running an email server Postfix/Dovecot. I had solved the problem with securing the IMAP connection (ie: Requiring an SSL/TLS connection before authenticating) Now I need to set the server to require an SSL/LTS connection and to authenticate to the server before being able to send an outgoing email. ( replaced-url
2853[16:20:59] <Arcanos> authenticate, I am currently doing that with the system firewall, but I am assuuming that this is not best practice.
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2869[16:25:43] <plasmoduck> How do I see what model motherboard I have?
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2871[16:26:02] <plasmoduck> Im guessing dmesg
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2877[16:29:03] <FinalX> plasmoduck: that's difficult I think, I doubt it's given to the OS in most cases, Supermicro doesn't, for example; I like "lshw" myself
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2969[17:10:28] <LeLutin> I'm getting an error about expired GPG key when using archive.debian.org for grabbing squeeze packages, and that blocks the source from being useful at all. is there a way to tell apt-get to bypass the gpg verification?
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2977[17:11:37] <FinalX> LeLutin: It does not get updates at all since february 29, 2016
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2979[17:11:56] <thms_work> LeLutin, just add the key apt-key add
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2981[17:12:16] <FinalX> thms_work: won't work, the repository is signed with the old key, and the old key is expired
2982[17:12:28] <LeLutin> FinalX: right, because it,s not supported. but the point of archive.d.o is to be able to download old stuff without being blocked by expired keys, no?
2983[17:13:07] <FinalX> sure, but the archive is not blocking you, outdated software with outdated signing keys are, the packages will never be resigned with a new key
2984[17:13:16] <FinalX> however, you _can_ pass --allow-unauthenticated to apt-get
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2989[17:13:30] <FinalX> or, set APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "true"; in something in /etc/apt/conf.d/
2990[17:13:36] <thms_work> FinalX, ah, alright
2991[17:14:01] <FinalX> needless to say, it might be wise to upgrade if possible
2992[17:14:08] <LeLutin> FinalX: tried that, didn't help unfortunately :\
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2994[17:14:29] <FinalX> LeLutin: what about APT{Ignore {"gpg-pubkey"; }}; ?
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2996[17:14:54] <FinalX> or the previous one in the other format: APT { Get { AllowUnauthenticated "1"; }; };
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2999[17:15:39] <FinalX> (.... and if it works, and you're going to upgrade, do not forget to remove them)
3000[17:15:48] <LeLutin> ok I'll try this
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3003[17:16:54] <FinalX> if none of those work, I don't think I'll be able to help you out any further, so I hope they do :)
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3023[17:21:53] <zege> clear
3024[17:22:05] <LeLutin> FinalX: the options didn't change the situation, but I saw that the source was getting squeeze-lts from archive.d.o. changed that to squeeze and it worked
3025[17:22:28] <LeLutin> so it's -lts that's "acting up" on archive.d.o
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3039[17:28:51] <monsterco> how do I know what is using my memory on my debian server? swap has kicked in and it's pretty slow but i want to know the cause
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3043[17:29:15] <simonlnu> !ram
3044[17:29:15] <dpkg> ram is probably (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running, or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_ ram! Ask me about <free ram> or <myram>.
3045[17:29:26] <simonlnu> !free ram
3046[17:29:26] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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3050[17:29:36] <FinalX> monsterco: you could use top, or htop; I prefer htop because it's easy to sort on the memory column, for example
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3053[17:29:57] <FinalX> simonlnu: he's asking to find out WHAT is using it, not THAT it's used
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3055[17:30:04] <monsterco> FinalX - i can't have htop on this - not installed
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3057[17:30:28] <monsterco> Finalx - so what should i look for in top?
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3065[17:32:03] <jhutchins> monsterco: FIrst just familiarise yourself with the default display, then look at the help page (h) and see how to sort by memory usage.
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3067[17:32:06] <FinalX> simonlnu: patronising? you're patronising users that come with a question, by answering them with an automated answer that has nothing to do with what they're asking, thinking that they don't understand something which they clearly already figured out.
3068[17:32:20] <FinalX> monsterco: the %MEM column helps a lot
3069[17:32:21] <Meliorate> hi all, how do i get a2enconf and a2disconf installed? ...they should be installed when i apt-get install apache2, right?
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3071[17:32:49] <monsterco> %MEM column doesnt show much activity
3072[17:32:49] <FinalX> Meliorate: they're newish to jessie if I'm not mistaken, not sure if they're in wheezy. are you running wheezy by any chance?
3073[17:32:50] <monsterco> very low
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3075[17:33:04] <Meliorate> FinalX: yes, wheezy
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3077[17:33:15] <Meliorate> i could upgrade to jessie i guess
3078[17:33:29] <monsterco> 15gb out of 16gb memory is used - where can i see which process uses it most?
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3082[17:34:03] <FinalX> Meliorate: or just make them yourself, they don't really do a lot more than working with conf-enabled/conf-available, having all configs in conf-available and then putting symlinks in conf-enabled => conf-available, and including conf-enabled in the apache config, rather than conf.d in wheezy
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3084[17:34:28] <Meliorate> FinalX: gcc is broken atm :|
3085[17:34:30] <FinalX> it's very easy to script if you know only a little of how
3086[17:34:41] <Meliorate> maybe if i upgrade, it will magically fix that too!
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3088[17:34:51] <monsterco> Mem: 16405760k total, 15380000k used, 1025760k free, 1468124k buffers
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3090[17:35:06] <monsterco> FinalX: that is what I get ^^^^ is using so much for buffers normal?
3091[17:35:13] <FinalX> ah :) you don't need gcc for this though, could easily be done with editing the apache config (1 line), and making two small scripts
3092[17:35:13] <LeLutin> monsterco: when you start top, you can change sort order to mem usage by typing: >
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3094[17:35:28] <FinalX> or just press M when you open top
3095[17:35:46] <FinalX> ..it will then sort it by the MEM column, highest usage at the top
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3097[17:36:06] <antZero> anybody knows how do I hide these red icons on system tray?
3098[17:36:07] <antZero> replaced-url
3099[17:36:08] <LeLutin> FinalX: ah, I didn't know this shortcut. neat :)
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3101[17:36:21] <monsterco> LeLutin - I see only like 20 lines - rows....is here moe probably? because these don't show much activity or ram usage
3102[17:36:28] <antZero> I don't even know what software shows them, I'm on vanilla debian 8 with MATE
3103[17:36:32] <FinalX> LeLutin: I only just found out as well, I told a coworker and he's like "or you just press M..."
3104[17:36:53] <jhutchins> monsterco: How do you know it's swapping?
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3107[17:37:29] <monsterco> I see in free -m
3108[17:37:30] <monsterco> Swap: 15359 279 15080
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3110[17:37:49] <jhutchins> monsterco: Is swap changing?
3111[17:37:55] <monsterco> seems to me top is incomplete...
3112[17:37:59] <LeLutin> monsterco: hmm yeah there's probably more. the mem column usually doesn't move much (unlike cpu usage). to get all info you could use ps instead of top
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3114[17:38:07] <monsterco> I don't think it has been changing
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3117[17:38:18] <monsterco> at least not in the past 20 mins i have been looking
3118[17:38:25] <jhutchins> monsterco: THen it's not swapping, it's just shoved some pages into swap.
3119[17:38:37] <monsterco> ah ok
3120[17:38:41] <monsterco> so where else should i look?
3121[17:38:53] <monsterco> is this normal? 1468124k buffers
3122[17:39:02] <FinalX> monsterco: swapping is completely normal, so is buffering / "OS-cache"
3123[17:39:21] <jhutchins> monsterco: Another way to look at swap is with iostat from the sysstat package.
3124[17:39:28] <monsterco> k - then where should i look to find the process because i really want to
3125[17:39:54] <monsterco> i mean i want a list of all processes that use ram
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3127[17:39:56] <FinalX> I always use free -h btw, it's more readable; "free" also shows a line of "-/+ buffers/cache: and then a value in the "free" column, that is what's free without buffers
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3129[17:40:39] <FinalX> swapping is really a normal thing, but you can limit the aggressiveness of trying to swap with sysctl
3130[17:40:51] <FinalX> try: sysctl vm.swappiness
3131[17:41:08] <FinalX> you'll get a value, usually 30 or 60; on most servers it's set to 10 or even 0
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3133[17:41:28] <FinalX> reducing swappiness also means it'll put less things into swap (or less quickly)
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3135[17:41:42] <FinalX> swap in itself is not bad
3136[17:41:44] <jelly> monsterco: <2GB out of total 16GB for buffers/cache isn't much at all.
3137[17:41:45] <FinalX> well, he's gone
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3152[17:46:49] <jhutchins> FinalX: Active swapping on a server is a bad thing.
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3154[17:47:27] <TomasCZ> it also depends on amount of ram when you are changing swappines
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3156[17:47:50] <FinalX> depends on what's in swap, and swappiness determines what goes in there; reducing swappiness on a server is better than disabling it entirely
3157[17:48:24] <FinalX> mine is set to 10 on my server :) I have 32 GB RAM, so, plenty, but still.
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3159[17:48:37] <TomasCZ> also depends on swap size I'd say. Kinda the old rule of thumb saying swap should be as big as RAM is void by now.
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3161[17:48:55] <FinalX> that's _really_ void, yeah.
3162[17:48:58] <TomasCZ> as big or bigger*
3163[17:49:20] <FinalX> I have 5 GB of swap, a zvol on my ZFS SSD-mirror pool
3164[17:49:26] <TomasCZ> These days I either don't use swap or go for values ranging from 32m-512m
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3168[17:50:05] <FinalX> 32-512m? then I wouldn't even bother with it at all :)
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3170[17:50:38] <TomasCZ> That swap is basically for programs that are idle over OS uptime most of the time.
3171[17:50:43] <FinalX> when I put my swappiness to 60, it dumps like 900 MB in there over time; I have a lot of LXC-containers running and most don't really do anything much most of the time.
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3173[17:51:01] <monsterco> FinalX - I don't think this is a swap issue here. See this: Mem: 16405760k total, 15374600k used, 1031160k free, 1468128k buffers
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3175[17:51:09] <monsterco> 15GB out 16GB ram is used
3176[17:51:10] <TomasCZ> FinalX, using ksm?
3177[17:51:33] <monsterco> so it's pretty close to using swap which i am fine with but why 15gb is used and i can only account for 3gb?
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3179[17:51:51] <simonlnu> a lot is in buffers.
3180[17:51:52] <FinalX> monsterco: no, and buffers are completely normal
3181[17:51:54] <TomasCZ> sorry I got here few minutes ago, don't know whole monsterco story
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3183[17:52:09] <FinalX> TomasCZ: I'm not using KVM
3184[17:52:12] <simonlnu> FinalX: because sometimes people need a reminder.
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3186[17:52:48] <monsterco> ah - so buffer is the cache....and it's really free ram?
3187[17:52:53] <TomasCZ> FinalX, I was under impression ksm is generic just applications don't label the memory for it.
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3196[17:53:55] <jhutchins> monsterco: Scroll back and read the !free ram factoid from dpkg.
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3198[17:54:08] <jhutchins> monsterco: Or /msg dpkg free ram.
3199[17:54:15] <TomasCZ> The fact that kvm does label allocated memory for ksm and virtualbox for example does not is separate thing imgo
3200[17:54:25] <TomasCZ> imho*
3201[17:54:39] <FinalX> TomasCZ: I honestly don't know if it's being used or not; it is a kernel deduplication feature, and it does seem it can be used for this as well
3202[17:55:05] <simonlnu> FinalX: nothing wrong with getting straight with basics. no basics, no foundation, hence clueless. i prefer clueful people. fishing rod kinda thing.
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3204[17:55:14] <FinalX> I don't really see much floating about on how to turn it on with LXC, or even together with it either :)
3205[17:55:16] <TomasCZ> you have to enable it yourself, and then the memory must be labeled for ksm dedupl.
3206[17:55:24] <simonlnu> FinalX: HAND :)
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3209[17:56:05] <TomasCZ> FinalX, try grep ^ /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/
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3211[17:56:13] <FinalX> simonlnu: And I completely agree with you on that, but when someone tells me "I'm running out of memory, how can I see what's using it", to me, that implies that they already know of "free" :)
3212[17:56:19] <TomasCZ> and then change the run in there to 1
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3214[17:56:50] <monsterco> FinalX - thanks. So, now that my RAM usage is back to normal; is there anyway for me to see when my RAM usage shot up that SWAP got used? I do know that an hour ago my system was very slow
3215[17:56:58] <FinalX> TomasCZ: ha, let's see, ty ;)
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3219[17:57:13] <TomasCZ> Do we have output of ps aux;free -m (or -h if you like) from monsterco?
3220[17:57:37] <simonlnu> nope
3221[17:57:43] <simonlnu> (AFAIK)
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3224[17:58:11] <simonlnu> oh, we do
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3227[17:59:01] <TomasCZ> FinalX, when you set the run variable, you have to wait a little while if the numbers change the memory was labeled for ksm dedupl. if it stays still it was not :-(
3228[17:59:07] <monsterco> TomasCZ - replaced-url
3229[17:59:22] <FinalX> TomasCZ: ah, I read up, and because the containers are running in seperate spaces, they are not able to be shared through KSM
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3241[18:01:56] <TomasCZ> FinalX, should not matter in general. Who knows. I've got 4vm's and by sharing 314M they save double the size. Two vm's are basically same in setup. just different things in it
3242[18:01:59] <FinalX> TomasCZ: not that I need it though, I was just curious; and thanks :) might be really useful if I start doing some other virtualisation stuff again
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3245[18:02:19] <TomasCZ> FinalX, glad could help ;-)
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3255[18:05:57] <FinalX> simonlnu: also, I apologise for a personal frustration I have with what happened earlier; I was asking for advise on a bug with stretch's APT, and someone on #ubuntu just gave me a pre-done answer on how file permissions work.
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3258[18:06:24] <FinalX> it pissed me off a lot, and I just let that frustration slip in there earlier :)
3259[18:06:25] <simonlnu> np man
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3270[18:09:37] <jhutchins> FinalX: Sometimes we remember that ther IS a factoid on a certain subject, but not exactly what it says, and it turns out to be less relevant than we hoped.
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3273[18:11:14] <FinalX> jhutchins: yeah, I get that now, too; but to newcomers it might seem a bit different than to people that have been here for longer
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3287[18:15:04] <TomasCZ> monsterco, paste: you got 10G of filesystem cache imho. Your system looks perfectly normal by the look at free. For example, my workstation at work is now at like: swapped=71 free=51 buff=228 cache=3077 ram=8G and depending on growing chrome and ff it gets down to like cache=1G before I notice it and restart that ~2G process.
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3289[18:15:54] <TomasCZ> monsterco, uptime 7days on that(swap is ~383m
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3295[18:17:21] <TomasCZ> monsterco, system by default tries to utilize ram for speeding up disk access of most common things. But that fs cache is not limited to that only. If you use networked storage.. you can imagine I presume :)
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3298[18:19:02] <monsterco> you see the uptime in swap from my pastebin?
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3301[18:20:30] <monsterco> TomasCZ - so how can I make more that buffer available for RAM usage? I understand this is a system automated thing but it seems something is wrong and my RAM keeps going down as I turn on another KVM - now I am down to 607MB but a lot in buffer. Earlier it was 1GB in available RAM. Maybe I am wrong with this assumption here and this is not a real issue but system did get slow; so I am not sure why system didn't allocate buffe
3302[18:20:31] <monsterco> r to programs to use
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3307[18:21:50] <Cpuroast> monsterco: there is no issue
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3309[18:22:20] <Cpuroast> cache will get flushed and the RAM automatically freed for the app that needs it
3310[18:22:32] <Cpuroast> unused RAM is wasted RAM
3311[18:22:39] <monsterco> Cpuroast - thanks - I saw all my VM Containers slow down by a lot like I couldn't browse properly...
3312[18:22:41] <Cpuroast> it can either be for cache or for programs
3313[18:22:50] <monsterco> could this be an issue of something else but ram?
3314[18:22:58] <Cpuroast> but empty RAM is wasted RAM
3315[18:23:02] <FinalX> monsterco: buffers are good, RAM that's used to buffer/cache will speed up the working of your system, and if an application requires more RAM than is "free", the kernel will make sure buffers/caches are freed so the other application can use them.
3316[18:23:20] <FinalX> monsterco: you should see buffer/cache as "available", not as "in use", in this regard
3317[18:23:35] <TomasCZ> monsterco, are you getting some error or warn from your applications? "allocate buffers to programs to use" Trust me if your system would be running out of memory, you would experience OoM killer.
3318[18:24:26] <TomasCZ> monsterco, sysctl -a|grep swapp what is your swappiness?
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3320[18:25:49] <TomasCZ> FinalX, but don't tell him that exactly as system whose buffers go below 40 and cache get's low as well is system that will soon log OoM killer in system log
3321[18:26:11] <TomasCZ> ou, 40 megs
3322[18:26:22] <FinalX> yeah, ok
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3325[18:27:04] <TomasCZ> Of course these depend a little on the RAM the OS has. with VM that has only 1G or less of memory these values are not entirely correct.
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3327[18:27:37] <FinalX> I don't think I have a machine left here that has less than 24, so hm :)
3328[18:27:50] <FinalX> our highest has 1 TB of RAM
3329[18:27:52] <TomasCZ> 24 what? Gigs?
3330[18:27:54] <FinalX> yes
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3332[18:28:05] <TomasCZ> damm you, send me one machine
3333[18:28:33] <FinalX> I have a Supermicro X7DBU 1U myself, got it with 8x1GB DDR2 from work, as they were no longer gonna use it, in exchange for sushi.
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3335[18:28:54] <FinalX> Then went on eBay and got 8x4GB DDR2 ECC for € 88,- from some hosting company that was ditching their old equipment :)
3336[18:29:16] <TomasCZ> nice. I'm sitting on ultrabook with 16G, at work I got only 8G ram
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3340[18:29:54] <vegardx> Wasn't that rather expensive, FinalX?
3341[18:30:24] <FinalX> well, my laptop has 16, I was talking about servers mostly; and I have an LXC-container in the company VLAN for screen+irssi and all as well.
3342[18:30:38] <TomasCZ> I was thinking in these ways before but older stuff may eat more watta and be more noisy. Besides if I can be portable.....
3343[18:30:54] <FinalX> vegardx: € 88,- for 8x 4GB DDR2 DIMMs with ECC? back then it was € 50,- for 2x4GB DIMMs w/ ECC new
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3348[18:31:22] <FinalX> so € 88,- for 32 GB ECC DDR2 vs € 200,- 32 GB ECC DDR2.. :)
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3350[18:31:41] <vegardx> I know that it was expensive back in the days, but you can get a brand new node with 64GB, multi socket whatnot for like $300.
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3355[18:32:11] <vegardx> Refurbished supermicro is soooo cheap, crazy.
3356[18:32:20] <FinalX> well, it's harder to find old hardware cheap here in .nl than it is in .us, though
3357[18:32:26] <vegardx> Makes sense thought, they are power hungry. :p
3358[18:32:30] <FinalX> plus, the server was free :)
3359[18:32:43] <vegardx> Actually, in .nl you should be able to get a lot. Inside the EU bastards! ;)
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3361[18:33:07] <FinalX> yeah, we even ran a lot of debian.org stuff for them for a long time in our data center, even on old hardware of us :)
3362[18:33:17] <FinalX> ...on supermicro's ;)
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3364[18:33:18] <vegardx> Crazy cheap: replaced-url
3365[18:33:21] <vegardx> Supermicro <
3366[18:33:21] <vegardx> 3
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3368[18:33:52] <TomasCZ> germany that's not that far away :D
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3370[18:34:00] <FinalX> I recently upgraded some kernels to backports ones on X6 boards... don't do that without blacklisting a module ;)
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3372[18:34:25] <FinalX> 2000 for a company is not much, but it's way above my own budget or requirement atm :)
3373[18:34:30] <TomasCZ> don't upgrade distro on OpenVZ either with kernel like 2.6
3374[18:34:40] <vegardx> Hehe, I know that. Just as a comparison to used hardware.
3375[18:34:50] <FinalX> I paid a bunch of sushi and 88 euro's for my X7DBU with dual Xeon E5335 and 32 GB ECC RAM. Good enough for me.
3376[18:34:55] <vegardx> I'd just start by not using OpenVZ at all. ;-)
3377[18:34:56] <FinalX> Just needed to add disks after that :)
3378[18:35:19] <FinalX> I used to use OpenVZ a long long time ago, until it didn't work anymore in Debian by default; then switched to LXC later.
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3380[18:35:32] <vegardx> Refurbished a MacPro 4,1 that I got. Dual-socket quad-core, 64GB ECC memory and PCI-e SSD. Works like a charm!
3381[18:35:39] <FinalX> Back then LXC was a lot more effort, but I'm very happy with it :) OpenVZ even rewrote some of their tools to use with LXC iirc.
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3383[18:36:10] <FinalX> vegardx: I'm just gonna wait for this generation of servers to become old, and then I can just take one that's written off again ;)
3384[18:36:44] <vegardx> Hopefully soon, but they are more and more efficient. Unless they can cut the powerbill they don't change servers.
3385[18:37:19] <TomasCZ> is this number correct? monsterco ps output gaves like 2G of ram used for apps.
3386[18:37:20] <FinalX> disk-wise I just have Kingspec 16 GB SLC stick for the host OS, 2x 128GB SSD in a ZFS pool for my LXC-containers, and 4x Seagate Archive HDD 8 TB's in a ZFS raid10 for my big data
3387[18:37:21] <vegardx> The new servers I got recently has the same combined TDP of one of those Athlon XP processors from back in the days
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3389[18:38:09] <FinalX> ugh, AMD .. we have had such a shitty time with AMD stuff in our server farm, we came from Intel and quicly went back
3390[18:38:20] <vegardx> Yeah, I have one AMD-server. One.
3391[18:38:22] <FinalX> to each their own, but I don't think they'll ever come back into our server farm :)
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3393[18:38:35] <vegardx> Past me was "but it has more cores... MORE CORES VEGARD!"
3394[18:38:45] <stacky> Hi,did someone get an asus x555u laptop working with debian?,no touchpad,also tried ubuntu and archlinux
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3397[18:39:14] <vegardx> stacky: Find out what chipsets you have rather than specific model of laptop.
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3401[18:40:06] <vegardx> Knowing Dell they'll probably have a bunch of variety even in the same models.
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3404[18:41:36] <stacky> Intel skylake host bridge dram registers rev 08
3405[18:41:40] <TomasCZ> And Here I was thinking that dell does not do that :D
3406[18:42:28] <FinalX> Dell, gah. Past experiences were good, but recent ones with my work laptop were absolutely horrid. They replaced pretty much every single part at some point, and in the end gave up and gave me a newer model, just before warranty was over ;)
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3408[18:43:39] <vegardx> Apple is on a downhill path, but in terms of hardware build it has never failed me.
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3410[18:43:48] <vegardx> It's just a very expensive machine to SSH out from.
3411[18:44:12] <stacky> i keep getting pcie bus error severity=corrected type=physical layer in all distros
3412[18:44:31] <vegardx> Does it work in Windows?
3413[18:44:39] <stacky> yes
3414[18:44:45] <FinalX> Apple remained behind graphics-wise. Blizzard recently announced they wouldn't make Overwatch for OS X, because of Apple's horrid graphics support.
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3416[18:45:07] <vegardx> Yeah
3417[18:45:29] <vegardx> But I think thats for the better, you don't buy a macbook to game. The input lag will kill you.
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3419[18:46:22] <FinalX> No, if you run Windows on the same macbook, it'll run very fast.
3420[18:46:38] <FinalX> It's just OS X's graphics support that's utter shit :)
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3422[18:46:51] <FinalX> They clean up the OS itself, and make that run smooth, but the rest..
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3425[18:47:23] <TomasCZ> stacky, suppose you did try to google around? When that notebook model became produced?
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3428[18:48:01] <stacky> 2015, of course,i have days dwith google, but no one with the same problem got a real solution, now im reading a new ubuntu thread
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3431[18:48:39] <stacky> they recommend adding pci=noaer
3432[18:49:14] <TomasCZ> stacky, Does it manifest in some way besides logging error?
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3436[18:50:16] <stacky> TomasCZ, no touchpad, I tested 3 different distros, Debian, Ubuntu,Kali, Arch, Centos
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3438[18:50:28] <stacky> (i mean debian,ubuntu kali the same)
3439[18:50:48] <stacky> it seems to be the wireless
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3441[18:51:05] <TomasCZ> stacky, I guess you could give that a try. Before I settled on with my latest one it took some tinkering..... we are not talking everywhere supported winblows here...
3442[18:51:10] <markybob> not even close to the same when it comes to hardware support
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3445[18:52:12] <stacky> TomasCZ, well,this is the first time i had problems with debian,usually worked perfectly without touching anything,i had issues only when used slackware long time ago
3446[18:52:12] <TomasCZ> stacky, also when you will be trying to get working you could always try to go testing and install newer kernel while at it.
3447[18:52:25] <FinalX> replaced-url
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3449[18:52:31] <stacky> TomasCZ, no, many tried upgrading the kernel and didnt work
3450[18:52:35] <TomasCZ> stacky, talking in debian terms only ^
3451[18:52:41] <FinalX> I know it's Ubuntu, but I doubt the problem at hand here is different from the one laid out there
3452[18:53:19] <stacky> I also updated the BIOS, as recommended in that link,didnt work
3453[18:53:23] <TomasCZ> stacky, what highest kernel you tried?
3454[18:53:43] <FinalX> "Try booting with "psmouse.proto=bare" on the kernel cmdline."
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3456[18:53:54] <TomasCZ> stacky, I'm on 4.3 and slowly looking into 4.5
3457[18:54:05] <stacky> 4.5.1
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3459[18:55:13] <TomasCZ> stacky, routine check: what about firmware-linux* like packages?
3460[18:55:35] <stacky> official you mean?
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3462[18:55:58] <stacky> i will try addint the booting parameter FInalX said
3463[18:56:19] <TomasCZ> stacky, yes. I don't use 3rd repos.
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3467[18:56:59] <TomasCZ> 3rd party *
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3553[19:35:03] <TomasCZ> ok a question, can you do something like bash -rcfile my.bashrc with tcsh ?
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3558[19:38:21] <somiaj> TomasCZ: you would be running bash after you did that.
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3561[19:39:23] <somiaj> (it wouldn't replace your current tcsh shell, but it would launch a new nonlogin shell on top of your tsch shell)
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3563[19:39:33] <somiaj> (nonlogin bash shell)
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3579[19:44:37] <shantanoo> hi all, is it possible to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.4? i don't want to reinstall from iso.
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3588[19:47:55] <somiaj> shantanoo: yes
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3590[19:48:01] <somiaj> !tell shantanoo about wheezy->jessie
3591[19:48:20] <somiaj> shantanoo: be sure to read the release notes on things you should consider before preforming the upgrade (and ensure you have a backup)
3592[19:48:36] <shantanoo> somiaj: i plan to do the upgrade on VPS
3593[19:49:09] <shantanoo> i don't have any third-party repos on it
3594[19:49:31] <shantanoo> i plan to start tmux/screen and do the apt-get upgrade.
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3598[19:50:49] <FinalX> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; change the source files for the new one, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
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3601[19:51:16] <FinalX> safest iirc :)
3602[19:51:36] <somiaj> shantanoo: there are some issues (such as apache) which are mentioned you may want to be aware of, but with out any third party repos the upgrade should go fairly smoothly
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3604[19:51:44] <JyZyXEL> is it possible to use Qemu/KVM from Xen dom0?
3605[19:51:45] <somiaj> shantanoo: the release notes list the issues you may encounter.
3606[19:52:22] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: I would think so, but unsure how the Xen dom0 kernel has been changed. I would check to see if you can load the hardware virtualizition modules first.
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3610[19:52:55] <shantanoo> somiaj: using nginx, no apache. so don't think there is an issue. will follow the steps on the link
3611[19:53:00] <JyZyXEL> it was surprisingly hard to find any information on the subject on google
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3613[19:53:48] <somiaj> shantanoo: It should probabaly work just fine, but always best to be informed and careful.
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3615[19:54:20] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: libvirt might even be able to manage both on the same system. But I would check if the 'kvm' or better yet 'kvm_intel' or 'kvm_amd' modules are built and can load on the Xen kernel.
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3618[19:54:52] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: but if the modules cna load I don't htink you'll have any issue (and if the modules don't load, you just won't get any hardware virtualization and it will all have to be software via qemu)
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3664[20:10:02] <afernandez_> Booo!!!
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3712[20:31:09] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> Does anyone know a program for Debian with which you can create invoices?
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3714[20:32:15] <markybob> Heart-Of-A-Lion: google docs has a ton of templates for that sort of thing
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3719[20:34:31] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> I prefer not to use an online solution, just in case I'm without an internet connection
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3722[20:35:13] <markybob> Heart-Of-A-Lion: then libreoffice. ton of templates there too
3723[20:35:59] <Heart-Of-A-Lion> That's a good idea. Are there also specific applications that can create invoices on Linux?
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3726[20:40:23] <stacky> how can i upgrade kernel to 4.6?
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3730[20:40:39] <markybob> stacky: compile it
3731[20:40:44] <greycat> ,kernels
3732[20:40:46] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.4-1); stretch: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.3-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
3733[20:41:07] <greycat> Yup, I'd rather compile upstream than install something from experimental.
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3782[21:03:09] <monsterco> TomasCZ - earlier you showed me that my swap was 7 days old - where did you see that info?
3783[21:03:13] <monsterco> ~7
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3794[21:10:29] <fennesz> Hello ! Why does bluetooth turn off by itself when I try to turn it on ? Is this a security issue ? I am using Debian 8 64x
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3809[21:13:42] <jhutchins> fennesz: How do you "try to turn it on"? Mine comes on automatically on wake, though not at boot (I want it off). What logs have you looked at?
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3822[21:16:32] <fennesz> jhutchins, one moment pls
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3824[21:16:46] <fennesz> jhutchins, mine is off at boot
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3826[21:17:06] <fennesz> jhutchins, can you give any insight on what logs to look for?
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3834[21:18:19] <H4ndy> someone here with IPv6 experience?
3835[21:18:25] <greycat> !ask
3836[21:18:26] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3838[21:19:38] <H4ndy> Well I got two Debian 8.4 boxes with the same issue so I guess it's something I did wrong
3839[21:19:59] <H4ndy> I assign them a manual IPv6 address which works some time and stops, at latest after a reboot
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3841[21:20:12] <H4ndy> (these are servers and I got a /64 net for each)
3842[21:20:29] <H4ndy> I cannot reach them anymore after that via IPv6
3843[21:20:35] <H4ndy> ifconfig shows the assigned address
3844[21:20:46] <H4ndy> but ping6 on the boxes only throws "Networks not reachable"
3845[21:20:58] <H4ndy> so I guess something is broken on them
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3848[21:21:22] <fennesz> jhutchins, I got this replaced-url
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3850[21:21:36] <markybob> !tell H4ndy about enter
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3853[21:22:28] <greycat> You need to present enough details for someone to actually understand what your configuration is. "I have a server named ___ with address ___ which I put in /etc/network/interfaces using the following syntax ___ and on this server I run the command ____ and I get the result ____"
3854[21:23:07] <ewew> Hi. Why does Protocols in apache config dont work. apachectl returns a syntax error.
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3856[21:23:45] <greycat> (You may also need to show default routes, etc.)
3857[21:23:56] <Dagger> H4ndy: are you blocking ICMPv6 anywhere? generally best to just allow that on all machines
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3871[21:28:04] <jhutchins> fennesz: paste.debian.net please
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3874[21:28:24] <jhutchins> !bluetooth
3875[21:28:24] <dpkg> Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (replaced-url
3876[21:28:26] <fennesz> jhutchins, ok sry !
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3879[21:28:47] <greycat> ewew: replaced-url
3880[21:28:55] <fennesz> !ath3k
3881[21:28:56] <dpkg> ath3k is a Linux kernel driver supporting <Bluetooth> devices based on Qualcomm Atheros AR3011 and AR3012 chipsets, introduced in Linux 2.6.34. Ask me about <ar3011> and <ar3012> for device specific information. replaced-url
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3883[21:29:04] <greycat> err... actually, I'm wrong. It does show both.
3884[21:29:14] <greycat> They just aren't next to each other.
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3886[21:29:35] <ewew> greycat replaced-url
3887[21:30:03] <greycat> ,v apache2
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3889[21:30:03] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4; stretch: 2.4.18-2; sid: 2.4.20-1
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3891[21:30:24] <greycat> jessie has apache2 version 2.4.10 which doesn't have Protocols (docs say 2.4.17 and later)
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3894[21:31:01] <ewew> greycat ok. Im a weird admin, that does not know which version of service is running.
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3896[21:31:15] <greycat> ewew: dpkg -l apache2
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3899[21:32:50] <ewew> greycat At least they should have a small list of features that are available.
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3901[21:32:59] <greycat> who's "they"?
3902[21:33:13] <ewew> apache.org
3903[21:33:29] <markybob> you must be new
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3914[21:38:16] <jhutchins> ewew: Anything that is completely documented in Linux is deprecated and obsolete.
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3918[21:39:38] <Gaiseric> Hello everyone. Am I the only Jessie (8.4) user whose imagemagick hijacks all relevant filetypes and insists on opening them with /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ImageMagick-6.8.9/bin-Q16/display? Even PDFs! Gnome for some reason ignores my default program selection...
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3931[21:43:37] <Gaiseric> Or perhaps it is /usr/bin/display-im6 ...ugh
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3939[21:44:25] <Gaiseric> I always thought imagemagick was namespace-polluting crapware, but apparently it gets worse
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3953[21:51:42] <dka> 1) When configuring a nginx proxy, why is it important to have "proxy_set_header Host $http_host;"?
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3959[21:54:46] <H4ndy> dka: importance depends on the reverse-proxy'd application, it tells where the original request came from instead of localhost
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3961[21:55:09] <H4ndy> most need that to properly build links and stuff
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4000[22:12:04] <TomasCZ> monsterco, no that was misunderstanding, I said the example machine I was talking about had uptime 7days(my workstation @work(
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4002[22:12:28] <monsterco> ah ok - thanks - and you got that from where?
4003[22:12:34] <monsterco> or you have some sort of monitoring service?
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4006[22:14:17] <greycat> usually by typing "uptime"
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4045[22:32:47] <TomasCZ> monsterco, greycat is right :)
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4048[22:33:46] * Dagger gets it from w
4049[22:33:54] <Dagger> it's 5 fewer characters to type :p
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4053[22:34:36] <monsterco> TomasCZ - uptime shows specifics to Swap? I thought that's just server uptime. I guess you meant you server uptime and not from time SWAP started...got it
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4063[22:37:25] <greycat> I have no idea why anyone is interested in how long a swap partition has been in use.
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4066[22:38:51] <greycat> That said, I think you can get part of the answer with a command similar to systemctl status dev-sda3.swap where dev-sda3 may be different on your computer
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4092[22:50:20] <unborn> TomasCZ: zdravim :)
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4108[23:00:23] <xarragon> Hi, I am installing jessie using EFIStub. DI wont let me proceed without an unencryoted /boot with non-VFAT filesystem. ANy way around this?
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4110[23:00:54] <xarragon> I plan to not use grub, store my kernel and initrd on the EFI partition and boot it directly from UEFI.
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4112[23:01:18] <xarragon> This works well for me using arch linux, but I like debian.
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4114[23:04:03] <xarragon> Or does the debian packages require grub to shuffle in new kernels etc?
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4116[23:04:30] <greycat> lilo is still shipped, so I guess grub is not required
4117[23:04:35] <xarragon> Under arch it will just plop them in under /boot, which I bind-mount to the proper directory.
4118[23:05:10] <xarragon> greycat: PArcon, s/grub/bootloader/ I guess
4119[23:05:16] <greycat> I have not attempted to boot Debian with anything but GRUB in years, so I can't speak from experience.
4120[23:05:45] <xarragon> Well I plan to toy wiht at least. I just need a way to manually perform an instal.
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4122[23:06:01] <greycat> !debootstrap
4123[23:06:01] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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4126[23:06:30] <xarragon> Set up my mounts etc, then call some script to pull in all packages, then I jsust manually add a UEFI boot entry using efibootmgr.. Hmm.. which I need to make sure I have handy
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4128[23:07:28] <xarragon> greycat: Ah, sweet. Arch basically uses something like that as it's "installer", so I should be home free once I figure out all the mouting points etc.
4129[23:07:33] <xarragon> greycat: Thanks
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4135[23:12:38] <jhutchins> xarragon: You will notice that the result of debootstrap is VERY minimal. I believe you have to install the kernel manually.
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4140[23:14:06] <xarragon> jhutchins: does it plop in apt, so i dont have to manually handle dependencies for efibootmgr and the kernel etc?
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4168[23:22:38] <xarragon> I guess I have to check to see how new kernels are added to whatever bootloader is used, since it does not seem to be any direct EFIStub support
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4176[23:28:09] <unborn> I was wandering - is it possible to create iso from installed system? about 3 gigs with files and users, no gui installed on system, only ssh and basic system?
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4179[23:28:42] <markybob> unborn: clonezilla
4180[23:29:09] <unborn> markybob: huh? does that do isos as well?
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4184[23:30:11] <markybob> unborn: yes
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4187[23:31:49] <unborn> markybob: haleluja - thank you!
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4203[23:37:56] <Gaiseric> markybob: Oh, that might prove useful in the future... thanks!
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4217[23:40:25] <jhutchins> unborn: That will not be a bootable iso.
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4219[23:41:09] <stacky> great
4220[23:41:13] <stacky> compilated the fucking kernel
4221[23:41:15] <stacky> now works
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4224[23:42:00] <markybob> jhutchins: bootable wasn't the question though :/
4225[23:42:55] <unborn> jhutchins: I know
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4227[23:44:18] <unborn> but anything better then nothing.. debian fresh install with my favourite programs on single dvd would be enough for me.. however if there was a way how to create bootable iso than I would not possibly sleep tonight heh
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4229[23:44:49] <jhutchins> !live
4230[23:44:50] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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4234[23:45:37] <jhutchins> unborn: pendrivelinux.com has tips on optimizing a USB install.
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4236[23:46:07] <unborn> jhutchins: thanks
4237[23:46:31] <unborn> jhutchins: ah that is nothing for me..
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4258[23:53:11] <unborn> jhutchins: I found it... replaced-url
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4263[23:58:02] <TomasCZ> unborn, njn
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