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15[00:05:34] <Nixew> The flatpak version of Signal works, thank you very much!
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25[00:10:47] <Nixew> Is there any alternative to 7-zip or peazip on the flathub or in Debian stretch stable repo?
26[00:12:01] <Nixew> The only thing I found is peazip from their website. It's a portable version, so it shouldn't cause any trouble.
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34[00:15:44] <wolfpackmars2> I'm trying to follow the advice here replaced-url
35[00:16:22] <jmcnaught> Nixew: there's file-roller
36[00:16:30] <wolfpackmars2> I have Laptop <> proxy > jumphost <> remote
37[00:16:56] <wolfpackmars2> I can ssh from laptop to jumphost, and then ssh from jumphost to remote just fine
38[00:17:05] <zleap> hmm can't help with that sorry
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40[00:17:39] <wolfpackmars2> my problem seems to be, despite the impression I get from serverfault, that the final connection to remote is trying to use the keys on my laptop, rather than the key that is stored on the jump host
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45[00:20:15] <jmcnaught> wolfpackmars2: there's also ProxyJump "Specifies one or more jump proxies as [user@]host[:port]. Multiple proxies may be separated by comma characters and will be visited sequentially." ssh_config(5)
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47[00:20:27] <JohnDoe2> hey guys, is there a way to copy drivers/firmware from chromium OS and have them run in debian armhf?
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50[00:20:53] <zleap> what processor does the chroium oS box use ?
51[00:20:58] <JohnDoe2> thing is debian doesn't even list a network adapter in lsusb
52[00:21:04] <JohnDoe2> ARMv7 something
53[00:21:23] <zleap> JohnDoe2: what does lspci give you
54[00:21:28] <JohnDoe2> zero output
55[00:21:59] <wolfpackmars2> jmcnaught openssh 7.2 (Jessie) doesn't have the proxyjump option. It does have -W though which is the same thing
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59[00:23:10] <JohnDoe2> right now I'm on 4.9.0-9-armmp-lpae if it makes a difference
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65[00:25:42] <JohnDoe2> this is not enough information for me to figure out what they mean by brcmfmac replaced-url
66[00:26:13] <JohnDoe2> plus that's a jessie tutorial but I'm already running stretch
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71[00:28:42] <analogical> how do I manually change dns server from the terminal?
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98[00:39:23] <pts0> Does debian have livepatching of the kernel like ubuntu?
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141[01:12:27] <EdePopede> pts0: there's kpatch
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143[01:13:10] <EdePopede> and this short thread replaced-url
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152[01:26:59] <rwp> analogical, How to change DNS servers depends upon how your system is setting them now. But at the lowest level it is the nameserver line in /etc/resolv.conf that configures it. Changing that changes your DNS server. However other tools also changing it will fight with you over it and change it back unless you stop them.
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160[01:32:14] <devfx11> hi
161[01:32:26] <devfx11> when i run crontab -e as root, where is that crontab file located ?
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167[01:36:12] <indomitable> devfx11, you aren't meant to edit it manually
168[01:37:02] <klys> devfx11, /etc/crontab ?
169[01:37:10] <devfx11> i always used crontab -e
170[01:37:12] <devfx11> as root
171[01:37:17] <devfx11> but /etc/crontab isnt that file
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173[01:37:21] <indomitable> devfx11, i do that as any user
174[01:37:40] <devfx11> nvm found it /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root
175[01:37:41] <indomitable> devfx11, did you google this yet
176[01:37:44] <indomitable> oh ok
177[01:37:49] <indomitable> I guess now you did
178[01:38:08] <devfx11> i should put all settings from there (my modifications) to /etc/crontab right ?
179[01:38:12] <devfx11> thats way is better
180[01:38:43] <klys> devfx11, i'd leave them there
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182[01:39:25] <devfx11> i will also leave them there :)
183[01:39:32] <devfx11> but just because i dont want to mess with it right now :D
184[01:39:45] <devfx11> but note to myself, maybe next time add to crontab directly
185[01:39:47] <devfx11> no ??
186[01:40:14] <klys> devfx11, if you did dpkg --purge cron, then they'd disappear
187[01:40:17] <devfx11> what am i not ment to edit manually ?
188[01:40:23] <devfx11> klys: woot ?
189[01:40:26] <devfx11> klys: goot to know !
190[01:40:40] <devfx11> so if i want to edit my crontab, i do crontab -e as root ? as i did ? :D thats the better version ? :D
191[01:40:43] <devfx11> hehe
192[01:40:49] <devfx11> tokay
193[01:40:50] <devfx11> thanks
194[01:41:09] <indomitable> sudo crontab -e
195[01:41:11] <indomitable> :s
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197[01:41:20] <devfx11> pff i said i did it as root :)
198[01:41:34] <devfx11> sudo crontab -e = the same thing , isn't it ?
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200[01:42:14] <klys> devfx11, yes. man sudo
201[01:42:17] <ml|> devfx11: Yes
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204[01:43:19] <indomitable> devfx11, l2sudo
205[01:43:25] <ml|> devfx11: Best to leave /etc/crontab and use/edit root's crontab
206[01:43:25] <indomitable> devfx11, sudo l2sudo
207[01:43:37] <ml|> devfx11: Best to leave /etc/crontab alone* and use/edit root's crontab
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210[01:45:20] <analogical> how do I install UFW in Debian Buster?
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213[01:47:34] <dax> apt install ufw
214[01:47:44] <ml|> analogical: Just like any other package. If you mean The Uncomplicated FireWall...
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222[01:51:07] <analogical> ml|, I get an error message "Unable to locate package ufw"
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228[01:52:49] <ml|> judd: version ufw
229[01:52:50] <judd> Package: ufw on amd64 -- jessie: 0.33-2; stretch: 0.35-4; buster: 0.36-1; sid: 0.36-1
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232[01:53:51] <ml|> analogical: Strange pastebin your soures.list.
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236[01:55:13] <analogical> ml|, huh?
237[01:56:02] <analogical> would it help if I added a reposotory for Stretch?
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239[01:57:09] <ml|> analogical: No, you should be able to install it as ufw is in the main repo.
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243[01:57:57] <ml|> But to make sure pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.lis
244[01:58:11] <ml|> But to make sure pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list*
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255[02:06:23] <analogical> ml|, soures.list
256[02:06:37] <analogical> ooops
257[02:07:30] <analogical> ml|, replaced-url
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262[02:14:06] <ml|> analogical: That only has security lines. You need to add deb replaced-url
263[02:14:11] <ml|> analogical: ^?
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266[02:14:50] <analogical> ml|, please tell me what to type in the terminal
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270[02:16:08] <ml|> analogical: You need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root. Then add the line: deb replaced-url
271[02:16:52] <ml|> analogical: After that run 'apt update' and try installing ufw again.
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273[02:22:34] <devfx11> is it easy to run a raspian image in qemu-arm on debian ?
274[02:22:44] <devfx11> maybe a guide on how to do it with virt-manager ?
275[02:22:47] <devfx11> i would like to try it
276[02:22:50] <devfx11> if possible :)
277[02:23:04] <devfx11> is it the same way to install it as on x86 ?
278[02:23:22] <devfx11> i dont have a rpi but id try the software and emulate the hardware :)
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281[02:23:52] <ml|> analogical: Here is a full example: replaced-url
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288[02:25:36] <ml|> analogical: Another example with buster-updates: replaced-url
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292[02:26:36] <ml|> analogical: You may want to add crontib and if needed/wanted non-free after 'main'
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294[02:27:45] <ml|> analogical: NOT crontib, but contrib
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298[02:28:45] <ml|> analogical: For example: deb replaced-url
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300[02:29:03] <analogical> I see
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303[02:29:30] <ml|> dpkg: sources.list
304[02:29:30] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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306[02:29:50] <ml|> dpkg: contrib
307[02:29:50] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
308[02:29:57] <ml|> dpkg: non-free
309[02:29:57] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
310[02:30:05] <ml|> analogical: See ^^
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312[02:30:31] <analogical> yes thank you very much for your help (:
313[02:31:12] <ml|> Can you install ufw now?
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317[02:31:49] <analogical> yes it works
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319[02:32:31] <ml|> dpkg: next
320[02:32:31] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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324[02:34:06] <devfx11> is there a channel for raspi debian ?
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326[02:36:27] <ml|> devfx11: #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net
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342[02:52:13] <devfx11> ml|: thanks
343[02:54:07] <analogical> devfx11, #raspbian
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346[02:56:30] <devfx11> analogical: same or what is the difference from #raspberrypi ?
347[02:56:55] <analogical> hardware and OS
348[02:57:15] <devfx11> ok
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350[02:57:23] <aloo_shu> non-altered debian stable for arm run on a pi would be supporten here, too, wouldn't it? only that others would know the hardware better
351[02:58:11] <ml|> devfx11: analogical is correct for what you want.
352[02:58:57] <ml|> devfx11: That channel had slipped my mind, sorry
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355[02:59:56] <ml|> dpkg: raspberrypi
356[02:59:57] <dpkg> The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. replaced-url
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360[03:06:36] <ozfalcon> Anyone famillia
361[03:07:00] <devfx11> ozfalcon: hi :)
362[03:07:24] <ozfalcon> Anyone familiar with current steam packages?
363[03:07:32] <ozfalcon> Hi devfx11
364[03:08:21] <devfx11> no me sorry
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366[03:09:11] <ozfalcon> Looks like packages in transition. Or something.....
367[03:09:30] <ozfalcon> (Running buster)
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401[03:39:06] <themill> bah
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467[04:31:07] <jjura> 3/
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487[04:47:24] <sufy> has anyone had issues with the release candidate for next stable version
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492[04:48:34] <themill> vague questions get vague answers btw
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495[04:51:20] <annadane> there's some wiki page with problems in buster
496[04:51:29] <annadane> otherwise you can go ask in #debian-next on the oftc network
497[04:51:35] <annadane> let me see if i can find the wiki
498[04:51:44] <sufy> I have a support question, how can I make my snap items show up automatically after installing on debian buster in gnome
499[04:51:57] <annadane> replaced-url
500[04:51:57] <sufy> I have had to make .desktop files wondering if i can get that done another way
501[04:52:18] <sufy> this channel is only for stretch?
502[04:52:28] <annadane> well... i was told earlier we can start supporting buster now
503[04:52:33] <annadane> so apparently not
504[04:52:56] <sufy> is there a package to link snap installation to menu installations?
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566[06:31:28] <Atomic_H4aJp> hi
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574[06:35:28] <Atomic_H4aJp> how to list user
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599[07:10:33] <krion> lastlog
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602[07:13:33] <bipul> I am not sure why my process "/usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 18 --no-triggers --unpack --auto-deconfigure /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-4.9.0-9-common_4.9.168-1_all.deb " is in Ds+ (uninterruptable sleep IO ) ?
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604[07:14:01] <bipul> I am using debian stress
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676[08:10:10] <Nong> hi
677[08:11:01] <Nong> lsuser
678[08:11:07] <Nong> lsusb
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691[08:19:05] <Nong> sudo apt update
692[08:19:16] <Nong> sudo apt upgrade
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694[08:19:33] <Nong> y
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717[08:49:31] <jmd> Good morning people. I wonder if someone can tell me where debian stores its passphrase to connect to a WLAN? I set it years ago, and now I need to find it and can't remember where it lives.
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722[08:53:06] <rant> jmd: as would probably be the case with any such question, Debian doesn't do anything.. there are 7 major DE, many different ways you could've configured your system and your wifi.. you will need to be more specific
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724[08:53:37] <OS-46440> #join offsec
725[08:53:45] <rant> with my service I can just go to the website, router page, or my tv to get my wifi password
726[08:53:49] <OS-46440> !pedro
727[08:54:02] <rant> OS-46440: ?
728[08:54:08] <OS-46440> !pedro
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732[08:55:22] <jmd> rant: If I knew what the specifics were, then I wouldn't have to ask the question, would I?
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734[08:55:59] <rant> !ops potential botnet nicks with OS-# and same realname set generically
735[08:55:59] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: rant complains about a problem (see above)
736[08:56:20] <dax> that's not a botnet
737[08:57:10] <dax> it's humans who followed the (odd) instructions in replaced-url
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739[08:57:47] <rant> jmd: well chances of you getting help is almost non-existant if you dont even know what DE or wifi software you use.. you could be using network-manager, could be using wicd, could be using wpa_supplicant, directly/manually or via /etc/network/interfaces or a custom /etc/wpa/ something or other, using systemd-networkd who knows
740[08:57:56] <dax> (or maybe the instructions are fine and the disk image they get is weird, idk where exactly the number comes from)
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743[08:58:53] <rant> jmd: more than likely though unless you use network-manager applet, or put a plaintext wpa_supplicant password in a file manually, you can't get your password back out of the machine cause it doesnt have it
744[08:59:18] <rant> as is case with most any system and passwords, the passwords are not stored on the system
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747[09:00:23] <jmd> I know its in a file somewhere under /etc
748[09:00:49] <rant> jmd: if you have n-m applet, you just right click, go to edit connections, edit your connection and click show password on the wifi security tab
749[09:00:49] <jmd> (otherwise how could the machine make an initial connection?)
750[09:01:15] <rant> you apparently havent the slightest clue how wpa_supplicant or wpa works
751[09:01:32] <jmd> rant: No. That's why I'm asking.
752[09:01:34] <rant> the password is only used to generate a key based on the password, ssid, etc
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754[09:01:40] <rant> that key is whats stored
755[09:01:45] <rant> not the password
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758[09:02:17] <rant> unless you deliberately put something like wpa-passphrase "mypassword" in /etc/network/interfaces.d/
759[09:02:24] <rant> or such
760[09:02:59] <jmd> Yeah I've already checked that directory. It's not there.
761[09:04:55] <Nong> can you output you wifi set
762[09:05:07] <rant> well I'm done.. unless you care to elaborate on which of over 50,000 software packages and a dozen debian releases you use
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764[09:05:29] <jmd> I'm using 9.4
765[09:05:55] <jmd> At least that's what /etc/debian_version tells me.
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770[09:06:41] <jmd> Nong: Was that message directed to me?
771[09:06:46] <ledeni> jmd, replaced-url
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774[09:08:17] <themill> jmd: if you're convinced it was in /etc, then it could be /etc/NetworkManager, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/wpa_supplicant/.
775[09:08:37] <jmd> ledeni: Again, that wiki refers to /etc/network/interfaces which was what I had originally thought, but there's nothing there of interest.
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777[09:10:21] <jmd> themill: Yep. Got it. /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections is where it is.
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779[09:10:28] <jmd> Thanks for your help.
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785[09:13:55] <rant> dax: I'm guessing they ignored the /join #offsec then.. and idk wth the !pedro is about
786[09:14:18] <dax> they tend to be a bit confused, yeah
787[09:14:30] <rant> these irc clients auto connecting to #debian on freenode is a lil annoying
788[09:14:41] <rant> spinoffs dont change these defaults for one thing
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790[09:15:03] <at0m> rant: ubuntu irc client used to be pre-configured like that some years ago
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792[09:15:08] <at0m> rant: imagine the chaos
793[09:15:30] <rant> I don't have to imagine.. I been here.. I see it all the time :P
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881[10:26:45] <Resilience> hello to everyone, I have a problem with youtunbe videos and firefox, sometimes sound does not work, what can I do aside of restarting the browser?
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884[10:28:09] <diogenes_> Resilience, the default ff? or some custom build?
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886[10:28:35] <Resilience> diogenes_, default, everything in my sytem is default
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911[10:47:27] <rant> Resilience: do you have more than one sound output and frequently change configs like a laptop dock or dp/hdmi out?
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914[10:48:19] <rant> I for one use two extra displays on my laptop and have internal, analog, and digital sound.. so things get confused cause I switch them a lot
915[10:48:22] <Resilience> rant, have two outputs, but rarel change them I have the hdmi soud output, but I have verifie it and it is routed to internal speakers
916[10:48:51] <rant> Resilience: yes but did you just verify your default output or the actual output for that app?
917[10:49:16] <rant> because thats what gets me.. I switch the default output but sometimes individual apps are still routed elsewhere
918[10:49:43] <rant> mate-volume-control doesnt show me individual app outputs, but pavucontrol will
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921[10:50:20] <Resilience> rant, mmmm go to check it
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923[10:50:52] <rant> pulseaudio allows for some rather convoluted configurations :P
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925[10:51:01] <OS-46962> hello All
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930[10:52:04] <Resilience> rant, it happens occasionally
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933[10:52:29] <rant> OS-46962: #kali-linux #offsec
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953[11:07:25] <Resilience> rant, I opened pavucontrol and everything seems all right
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959[11:08:31] <rant> Resilience: idk. was the issue I most frequently run into. I dont use FF for youtube. I only use it for netflix and I noticed on NF anyhow it opens 3 seperate audio streams
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963[11:09:17] <Resilience> rant, question is I have a lot of opendd tabs, so restartig the browser are.. wel. several minutes
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967[11:10:25] <rant> which is why I dont use FF :P
968[11:10:30] <rant> its slow
969[11:11:51] <Resilience> rant right, bhut, what can I o about my sound issue? whre do I start to llok at?
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971[11:13:20] <rant> I don't know.. just have to look at each thing when it occurs.. the actuall per-application sound outputs, and rather than restarting the browser try just killing the plugin container
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973[11:14:02] <rant> and consider not using a browser causing you issues :p
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975[11:15:08] <rant> my father uses FF on a machine with 4GB ram and I've seen his process monitor on Strech showing over 20GB resident before which made absolutely no sense to me how a machine with 4GB physical memory and 4GB virtual could even have a 20GB resident
976[11:15:30] <Resilience> rant, there is no per-app output
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978[11:15:33] <rant> I use chromium day to day and it works
979[11:15:52] <rant> if there is no per app output you're not looking in the right place
980[11:16:02] <Resilience> rant what do yo mean with killing the plugin container=
981[11:16:10] <Resilience> I am looking at pavucontrol
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983[11:17:37] <rant> Resilience: replaced-url
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986[11:18:48] <rant> thats youtube playing and it showing up on pavucontrol
987[11:18:53] <Resilience> rant, no per-app. , sorry
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989[11:19:48] <rant> you have no playback tab?
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1002[11:25:30] <rant> Resilience: replaced-url
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1009[11:28:44] <rant> its only going to show things actually having open sound handles
1010[11:29:06] <rant> this isn't a log, its a real-time control
1011[11:29:15] <rant> thats why I said you have to look at it when the issue is occuring
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1022[11:32:59] <Nixew> Would you recommend me a utility to check my S.M.A.R.T. SSD's health?
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1025[11:33:29] <rant> Nixew: hddsentinel its non-free and third party, but available to private users for free.. works well
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1027[11:33:57] <rant> Nixew: replaced-url
1028[11:34:30] <Nixew> I'll try it, thank you.
1029[11:34:48] <rant> Nixew: in debian we have smartmontools but they are not as clean or accurate output.. this company makes effort to correct errors in various SMART output
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1036[11:39:23] <Nixew> Fantastic, it does the trick. Thank you.
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1051[11:47:30] <Resilience> rant problem is it seems as if ff does not "connect" to pa
1052[11:48:26] <rant> ,depends firefox-esr
1053[11:48:27] <judd> Package firefox-esr in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.18), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libffi6 (>= 3.0.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.0.0), libjsoncpp1
1054[11:48:28] <judd> (>= 1.7.4), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 6), libvpx4 (>= 1.6.0), libx11-6, libx11-xcb1, libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.4), fontconfig, procps, debianutils (>= 1.16).
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1059[11:49:56] <rant> Resilience: would appear firefox uses libasound2 which could be affected by any alsa sound configuration.. such as ~/.asoundrc or such
1060[11:50:43] <Resilience> rant, but it happnes *sometimes*, not always it is an intermittent issue
1061[11:52:06] <rant> yes well I dont know, told you this many times already. I've seen this and many other issues with firefox, which is WHY I DO NOT USE IT :D
1062[11:52:26] <rant> you keep asking me directly, so I keep telling you things you can look into.. but none of this changes the fact I do not know
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1069[11:58:01] <Nozzzle> hello, I am getting a login loop. I enter correct password, but get back to the login again
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1077[12:03:01] <rant> Nozzzle: as a normal user? graphical login?
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1080[12:06:02] <Nozzzle> rant, yes
1081[12:06:18] <Nozzzle> can I use this solution which is intended for ubuntu: replaced-url
1082[12:06:36] <Nozzzle> or, rather, is it intended for ubuntu only?
1083[12:06:40] <rant> Nozzzle: press ctrl+alt+f1 login on the text console as root, chown -R user:user /home/user
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1085[12:06:53] <rant> Nozzzle: press ctrl+alt+f7 to get back or type chvt 7
1086[12:07:02] <Nozzzle> ok!
1087[12:07:09] <rant> Nozzzle: change all mentions of "user" with your username of course
1088[12:07:16] <Nozzzle> yes :)
1089[12:07:27] <rant> Nozzzle: most common cause is user cannot access their homedir
1090[12:07:36] <rant> or part thereof
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1092[12:09:40] <Nozzzle> rant, I can't get to text console, because it is a VM, and when I do ctrl+alt+f1, I am logged out of the host system and shown its login window.
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1094[12:10:12] <rant> what sort of VM?
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1096[12:10:43] <Nozzzle> rant, qemu/kvm
1097[12:10:51] <Nixew> Is there newer version of PostgreSQL in the Debian repository? When I run "sudo apt-get install postgre<tab>", it shows a list of packeges version 9.6
1098[12:11:13] <rant> ,v postgresql
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1100[12:11:13] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u1; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u2; buster: 11+200+deb10u1; sid: 11+200+deb10u1
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1102[12:11:34] <rant> Nixew: looks like buster/sid have 11
1103[12:12:03] <Nixew> That's fine. I don't know, yet, the differences between them. Hopefully I won't need them for a while. Thanks.
1104[12:13:40] <rant> yes well buster will likely be releasing as stable next month or two
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1106[12:14:59] <Nixew> Speaking of which, is it better to upgrade from stretch 9.8 to buster, or directly reinstall to buster?
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1114[12:18:02] <BCMM> Nixew: it's probably more trouble to reinstall
1115[12:18:05] * EdePopede never ever upgraded. only did backup $HOME if necessary (own partition), also /etc (for changes i made there) and /usr/local and then installed the new release.
1116[12:18:24] <EdePopede> a good opportunity to clean up the mess in the profile ;)
1117[12:19:10] <Nozzzle> so what can I do?
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1125[12:24:45] <Nixew> BCMM: More trouble? If you mean installing all manually-installed packages again, that's no trouble for me.
1126[12:25:08] <Nixew> Otherwise, I don't know what you meant.
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1128[12:25:49] <rant> I also plan to backup and reinstall for the same reason EdePopede mentioned, but usually an upgrade is fine, and thats what I've always done.. but in this case I have a lot of clutter and backports that would possibly screw up my upgrade
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1131[12:27:44] <Nixew> Sounds like a plan. I will do it the same way.
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1133[12:28:48] <rant> one reason I never did things this way was due to time it'd take to reinstall and not having enough space to backup.. but now I have a core i5 with an ssd and plenty of backup storage
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1135[12:29:20] <rant> this is also the first time I ever had a full DE installed from backports so.. :P
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1140[12:32:56] <EdePopede> finally we have a good sistem size to disk size ratio. would need only around 10GB diskspace to make a complete system dump. and available disk space is measured in terabytes now, so i'll even keep my old squeeze around for a while.
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1142[12:33:35] <petn-randall> rant: OS-* nicks aren't bots. They're Kali users that don't know how to find the right channel.
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1144[12:33:51] <lancelot_of> hello
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1146[12:34:13] <lancelot_of> after my last stretch dist-upgrade (two days ago) my system is no more bootable
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1148[12:34:44] <lancelot_of> with a live distro I see all my data and system
1149[12:34:51] <rant> petn-randall: yes I know this now.. they were just behaving strangely and had rather odd user data
1150[12:34:54] <lancelot_of> so robably is a grub issue?
1151[12:35:00] <petn-randall> lancelot_of: How does it fail at boot?
1152[12:35:24] <lancelot_of> petn-randall, the bios does not see grub anymore, so no OS availabe
1153[12:35:27] <rant> petn-randall: I've since looked in detail into these wanna be hackers..
1154[12:35:42] <petn-randall> !fixmbr
1155[12:35:42] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
1156[12:35:49] <petn-randall> lancelot_of: This might help ^^^
1157[12:36:08] <petn-randall> Though it's not clear to me how the grub could get lost. I've never heard that happen on dist-upgrade.
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1159[12:36:57] <lancelot_of> petn-randall, it asked me if install mantainer version of grub.conf or mantain the actual (user) version
1160[12:37:12] <lancelot_of> I installed the mantainer version
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1164[12:40:44] <EdePopede> shouldn't this step produce a backup of the old mbr?
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1187[12:59:41] <lancelot_of> petn-randall, I get grub-install: will not proceed with blocklists
1188[13:00:39] <lancelot_of> does it mean grub is installed anyway or not?
1189[13:01:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps how do i get replaced-url
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1191[13:01:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> urxvt: perl extension 'keyboard-select' not found in perl library search path
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1197[13:03:39] <lancelot_of> !rescue mode
1198[13:03:39] <dpkg> Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the <install guide> ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details: replaced-url
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1211[13:10:36] <n_1-c_k> Eryn_1983_FL: search for packages containing 'urxvt-extensions.1'.
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1225[13:21:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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1241[13:36:16] <zleap> \fset autojoin
1242[13:36:19] <zleap> grrr
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1253[13:47:08] <Ormu> hello, if I use these scripts --> replaced-url
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1256[13:49:13] <Ormu> the script compiles a raspberry pi specific kernel from sources, and there's also a fork that builds a vanilla kernel. But in case an important kernel update is released, I'd rather install it from the repositories, not by recompiling
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1258[13:51:15] <BCMM> Ormu: i don't think debian ships a proper raspberry pi kernel
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1260[13:51:27] <Ormu> hm
1261[13:51:36] <BCMM> Ormu: most people probably use raspbian, which is very close to stock debian
1262[13:51:43] <Ormu> true
1263[13:52:21] <zleap> the pi kernel will have various drivers for the hardware
1264[13:52:27] <zleap> or hardware support at least
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1266[13:53:52] <BCMM> it's worth pointing out that it's not like ubuntu or something. raspbian stretch just consists of almost every debian stretch package, automatically recompiled to optimise for the pi's CPU
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1268[13:54:10] <BCMM> (plus a handful of extra packages like a custom kernel, tools to take advantage of hardware video decode, etc.)
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1272[13:54:51] <BCMM> but you can basically treat it exactly like debian, expect to find the exact same versions of packages, etc.
1273[13:55:01] <Ormu> hm
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1277[13:57:46] <Ormu> I just though plain debian would be more... convenient for me :P
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1279[13:58:15] <Ormu> but maybe I'll try Raspbian after all
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1283[13:59:56] <Deihmos> To update to 9.9 all you do is apt upgrade right
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1285[14:01:49] <BCMM> Deihmos: yes. replaced-url
1286[14:02:00] <BCMM> 'Users of other tools such as "apt" and "aptitude" should use the "upgrade" command.'
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1311[14:19:55] <Ormu> BCMM: what sort of kernels are provided in the Debian ARM repositories? Or are there any kernels at all?
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1313[14:20:06] <BCMM> Ormu: not really sure, honestly
1314[14:20:32] <BCMM> Ormu: but replaced-url
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1317[14:21:44] <Ormu> yes... and the script that I was going to use compiles such a kernel, apparently
1318[14:22:00] <Ormu> but then there is a fork of it (replaced-url
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1323[14:24:39] <babylon> some packages were held back after apt upgrading, like icedtea-netx
1324[14:24:53] <babylon> anything important I missed?
1325[14:25:15] <Ormu> if you do dist-upgrade, it deletes some Java plugins
1326[14:26:10] <babylon> Ormu, ok thanks, let me do this
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1329[14:27:18] <nkuttler> babylon: the release notes
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1331[14:29:13] <BCMM> Ormu: i don't know what support is like in mainline linux for the pi
1332[14:29:50] <BCMM> i know that raspbian and yocto both pretty much use the raspberrypi foundation kernel replaced-url
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1335[14:30:53] <BCMM> i mean they basically do open-source properly for the most part, and the pi has been around for a long time, so i'd hope that all the really vital stuff is upstream by now
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1347[14:41:46] <hello4leaf> hi
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1355[14:45:06] <xtort-> hi
1356[14:46:17] <hello4leaf> is there anyone here?????
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1358[14:47:10] <krion> yes
1359[14:47:24] <hello4leaf> ok~ bye~~
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1420[15:30:43] <Monodroid> hi all
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1422[15:33:01] <dvs> zzzzzz
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1428[15:42:27] <bltzfsck> exit
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1434[15:46:08] <NotSoFastJames> Is Debian the Distro from which all other distros are created?
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1438[15:48:14] <mtn> NotSoFastJames: no, but about 2/3 of them, though
1439[15:48:18] <dvs> NotSoFastJames, not all but a lot
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1450[15:54:47] <{xmb}> does anyone know cg* cgroup management commands ? an url or so ?
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1500[16:34:55] <victorqueiroz> I just got a lock up while using my AMD Ryzen. This is very frustrating. Can somebody help me?
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1508[16:39:18] <qqz> I would like to extend firefox to use the SCTP for parallel HTTP/1.1 connections avoiding TCP-head-of-line blocking
1509[16:39:31] <qqz> that seems to me more promising than SPDY/QUIC
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1512[16:39:55] <qqz> is anyone here who could assist me with compiling and getting into the sources?
1513[16:40:01] <qqz> or where should I ask?
1514[16:40:45] <rant> perhaps in a firefox dev channel.. compiling a modern browser is no simple task
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1516[16:40:55] <rant> going to require some serious resources
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1518[16:41:33] <n_1-c_k> victorqueiroz: try replaced-url
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1522[16:42:35] <victorqueiroz> n_1-c_k: what is thits
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1529[16:48:15] <victorqueiroz> Are you saying I should buy another CPU?
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1539[16:53:22] <phazon> victorqueiroz: what kernel are you running?
1540[16:54:06] <victorqueiroz> phazon: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 with the following parameters: quiet idle=nomwait processor.max_cstate=0 workqueue.power_efficient=0 intel_iommu=off intel_idle.max_cstate=0i noaliencache=0 nohalt=1 ppc_strict_facility_enable=0 print-fatal-signals=on
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1545[16:56:32] <phazon> if the machine isnt running in production, you might consider the 5.x series in experimental (until its backported when the freeze is over); which has introduced a number of improvements for amd's zen architecture
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1551[16:57:25] <victorqueiroz> phazon: How can I get it? I compiled it 2 days ago but it is stucked on pinguin logo :(
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1558[17:03:43] <phazon> victorqueiroz: this shows how to enable and pull in pkgs: replaced-url
1559[17:04:29] <phazon> replaced-url
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1561[17:06:07] <zPlus> hi I'm trying to update to the last release debian 9.9 but it looks like I've hit a dependency issue. default-jre RECOMMENDS default-java-plugin default-java-plugin DEPENDS icedtea-8-plugin icedtea-8-plugin DEPENDS icedtea-netx (= 1.6.2-3.1) The problem is that aptitude wants to upgrade icedtea-netx to 1.6.2-3.1+deb9u1. Should I just fix this manually or is Debian supposed to not generate these
1562[17:06:09] <zPlus> kind of conflicts? On this system I've always only used aptitude, so everything automatic and nothing changed manually before
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1564[17:06:28] <victorqueiroz> phazon: So I should install only 5.0 kernel, right?
1565[17:07:26] <victorqueiroz> I mean, it won't break my system. Will it?
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1567[17:07:39] <themill> zPlus: the java plugin is dead and needs to be removed
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1570[17:08:22] <themill> (a dist-upgrade will do this for you)
1571[17:08:41] <zPlus> themill: oki, thanks!
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1573[17:09:18] <phazon> victorqueiroz: there is the chance it could bork something, as with any kernel upgrade; just keep the old kernels laying around to boot back into if somethig goes wrong, and you should be ok.
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1581[17:11:27] <victorqueiroz> Ok, thanks. I'm already using it. Let's see what happens
1582[17:11:43] <phazon> victorqueiroz: you're already getting cpu lockups (which is nuts); if something is amiss with 5.x from experimental, let ben and the kernel team know so they can fix it
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1595[17:32:40] <trebor_home> hello. might someone give me some advices about debian-live on usb-stick? (copied it as adviced (dd ...), but it does not get detected as bootable device)
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1629[17:55:31] <toruvinn> hello, a bit of a problem here. im trying to run qemu not as root and use tap for networking. always get this: qemu-system-x86_64: -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no,downscript=no: could not configure /dev/net/tun (tap0): Operation not permitted. now, /dev/net/tun is actually currently rw for me, but from what i've read the problem is qemu is trying to create a new tap device. solution for that was tunctl -t
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1631[17:55:37] <toruvinn> tap0 -g somegroup, which says it made tap0 persistent and owned by somegroup, but... i cant find it in /dev/*. and qemu still errors out.
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1635[17:56:43] <Vasistha> I've just installed debian on a new hard drive. Unfortunately it appears that somehow grub was not installed on the MBR. So I plugged in the installer usb stick again, and am looking at the grub menu. I'd like to boot into the freshly installed debian from here. The first thing I want to do is change the background to black, because the debian grub background makes it difficult to read
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1643[18:00:13] <toruvinn> Vasistha, no idea about colours tbh, but i'd go around ls-ing various (hdx,x) to find your boot partition (unless you remember some file name which has to be htere, probably grub/grub.cfg (though not sure if you installed grub at all...), you can use 'search')
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1645[18:00:30] <Vasistha> thanks toruvinn
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1647[18:00:37] <toruvinn> Vasistha, once you find it, set your root to it and all you need to do is just load the kernel and initrd. it'll look kinda like... gimme a sec
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1650[18:01:07] <n4dir> you can install grub from the installation media.
1651[18:01:18] <toruvinn> Vasistha, set color_normal=light-gray/black
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1653[18:01:21] <toruvinn> just btw
1654[18:01:22] <n4dir> the first choice you have to make, but i forgot what exactly
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1656[18:02:08] <Vasistha> thanks guys, working on this -- got distracted by a phone call, will follow these instructions as soon as I can and get back to you
1657[18:02:11] <toruvinn> n4dir, rescue?
1658[18:02:20] <n4dir> probably, toruvinn
1659[18:03:06] <lancelot_of> !supergrub
1660[18:03:06] <dpkg> Super Grub Disk and Super Grub2 Disk are forks of <GRUB Legacy> and <GRUB2> respectively, which can be used to repair existing GNU GRUB installations. replaced-url
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1663[18:03:28] <Vasistha> ooh, thanks, I'm going to chat up dpkg
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1668[18:05:21] <toruvinn> Vasistha, if you decide to just try to boot from your install grub, you can do something like this: replaced-url
1669[18:05:26] <__marco> Hello. Does anyone use Gitlab CI to create deb packages?
1670[18:05:28] <toruvinn> give you paths cause those tend to include versions. that link has an example of what a 'standard'-ish debian entry looks like.
1671[18:05:31] <toruvinn> except very old one
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1677[18:08:14] <Vasistha> toruvinn: thanks!
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1685[18:13:59] <lancelot_of> !fixmbr
1686[18:13:59] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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1688[18:14:33] <Vasistha> toruvinn, n4dir: the grub-install target is like /dev/sda not /dev/sda1 correct?
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1692[18:16:46] <toruvinn> Vasistha, well that depends. but since you said 'on a new harddrive' it's likely that's the case
1693[18:16:57] <toruvinn> Vasistha, how large is the harddrive btw? are you using uefi?
1694[18:17:10] <toruvinn> Vasistha, im wondering, perhaps you forgot to set up the EFI partition...
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1696[18:18:08] <Vasistha> toruvinn: the efi partition is there. Part of dpkg's fixmbr was to mount /boot/efi, and that happened successfully. It's a 960GB SSD from corsair
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1698[18:18:43] <Vasistha> It has partitions for efi, root, swap, and home
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1700[18:19:16] <Vasistha> no crypto or lvm or anything
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1702[18:20:06] <Vasistha> well, it's done. We'll see now if it worked.
1703[18:20:56] <toruvinn> good luck!
1704[18:21:55] <Vasistha> nope, it's still not taking. The bios/uefi boot menu shows the drive, and I can select it and try to boot from it, but it doesn't boot, and then shows me the boot menu again.
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1712[18:25:51] <Vasistha> this is a lenovo ideapad z570 which has some weird issues. Some usb drives it refuses to boot from (e.g. for live cd or install) and some others work fine. super weird. But since the drive is showing up on the boot menu, I would expect it to work. And I previously managed to use a live image grub boot menu to boot into this newly installed corsair drive, so I know that debian is mostly installed correctly. It just won't start grub.
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1723[18:36:00] <toruvinn> Vasistha, uefi. do you have secureboot on in bios?
1724[18:36:13] <toruvinn> Vasistha, you'll probably need to disable that and there's another one option apart from that, hm
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1731[18:42:54] <Vasistha> toruvinn: I'm pretty sure secureboot is not on. When I look at the bios screen, it gives a BIOS version - so perhaps this is not even using EFI / UEFI. Is there another way to be sure?
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1736[18:47:43] <toruvinn> Vasistha, i dont think installer would install uefi stuff for you if it did not boot in uefi (in particular, /sys/firmware/efi is not available if you dont run in uefi)
1737[18:47:53] <toruvinn> Vasistha, please try to find that secureboot option in bios.
1738[18:48:02] <derekv> I've got an issue, I have some cloud instances that are getting created, on boot they install ebtables and conntrack. Up till friday this was fine, however today I am getting an error that these packages are "unauthenticated"? How can I start troubleshooting this issue? (uname -v "SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u2 (2018-08-13)"
1739[18:48:03] <toruvinn> Vasistha, there's another one next to it, but i forgot the name :-/
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1757[18:57:27] <lancelot_of> try to re-make the question
1758[18:58:14] <jhutchins> toruvinn: Fast Boot maybe? Does bad things when dual-booting.
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1760[18:59:18] <lancelot_of> one week ago I updated my stretch distro on my lenovo x1 carbon. then grub disappeared and my system was not available anymore
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1762[18:59:32] <lancelot_of> checking with live distro alla data and partitions are still there
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1764[18:59:49] <lancelot_of> tried fixmbr and rescatux but no success to restore grub
1765[18:59:57] <lancelot_of> please help dunno what to do
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1773[19:04:41] <toruvinn> lancelot_of, if your /boot isn't toast, then you probably just need to reinstall grub...
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1776[19:08:39] <lancelot_of> toruvinn, eactly what I cannot do, reinstall grub
1777[19:08:46] <karlpinc> lancelot_of: I'd start by making sure you have a backup. Then also check smartctl of the smartmontools package to see if the disks think they're failing.
1778[19:09:07] <lancelot_of> toruvinn, no advanced options from debian iso images to run grub from
1779[19:09:35] <lancelot_of> karlpinc, the problem is grub
1780[19:09:37] <karlpinc> lancelot_of: The install disk (may as well use the netinstall) has a rescue mode.
1781[19:09:58] <karlpinc> lancelot_of: It has an option to re-install grub.
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1783[19:10:13] <lancelot_of> karlpinc, didn't find that rescue option
1784[19:10:36] <lancelot_of> neither in netinstall or in dvd1 iso
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1786[19:10:46] <karlpinc> lancelot_of: It may be under "expert" or "advanced" when booting. I forget. You could read the instructions in the install guide.
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1790[19:11:13] <derekv> Hey all, not sure how exactly it was failing but clearing my squid proxy cache seems to have resolved the issue (hopefully).
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1804[19:19:32] <Vasistha> toruvinn: I don't see any secure boot options in the z570 bios. Looking around google, I haven't found any references to people using secure boot on this laptop.
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1808[19:21:08] <Vasistha> I am seeing plenty of people having issues getting this thing to boot. Wondering if I should just get a new laptop for my wife because this one has been causing many different people headaches, myself included
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1821[19:28:05] <n1ce> secure boot acts like placebo IMO
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1844[19:42:22] <victorqueiroz> Changing the kernel didn't help. I just got a lock up AGAIN. This is so annoying!
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1851[19:47:42] <victorqueiroz> I'm trying to update my BIOS to latest version.
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1878[20:03:34] <phazon> when, and what is the machine doing before it locks up? returning from suspend? etc
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1881[20:04:19] <phazon> victorqueiroz: ^^
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1887[20:07:07] <victorqueiroz> phazon: It is completely random. I'm starting to think that my CPU is f*cked or something. but I NEVER had this on Windows, that's why I think it's a Linux kernel problem or so. Either way I started having it a lot more after I leave my computer turned on without interacting with it too often. What happens is this: I can't switch numlock on/off, can't move mouse, can't restart the computer by the keyboard, nor change
1888[20:07:07] <victorqueiroz> system terminal with ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3 etc
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1890[20:07:24] <victorqueiroz> So I usually just hold power button and wait until the computer turns off, and then I turn it on again with power button!
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1938[20:41:20] <lancelot_of> !FIXMBR
1939[20:41:20] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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1954[20:48:48] <EdePopede> victorqueiroz: for the sake of your open files and your fs you should take the REISUB challenge instead. saved me a lot of fsck's and some data losses after reboot in the past. just for the case: replaced-url
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1958[20:50:13] <EdePopede> victorqueiroz: and still no hint in the logs? i had at least that message about the softlock after 23s a lot of times. also keeping a terminal in the foreground could give some info, should the kernel feel the need to write down something before and when it happens
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1960[20:51:04] <victorqueiroz> I'm keeping a terminal on with htop opened through ssh. Any other recommendations?
1961[20:52:20] <EdePopede> one of the symptoms in my case was overheating, at some point a was afraid to let the sensors even show me something more than 50°C, later even less
1962[20:52:49] <victorqueiroz> How can I check temperature through command line?
1963[20:53:09] <EdePopede> and i'm not sure if the text would appear in the window with htop, a simple terminal open in a corner should be fine. or if you go away simply on a visible position
1964[20:53:21] <victorqueiroz> EdePopede: these are my last 1000 lines out of /var/log/kern.log: replaced-url
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1966[20:53:40] <spackle259> im not sure if you can read your temperature or if dmesg reads you the temp
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1968[20:54:05] <EdePopede> victorqueiroz: lm-sensors
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1970[20:55:16] <victorqueiroz> Seems fine to me. Let's see replaced-url
1971[20:55:52] <EdePopede> victorqueiroz: and should you want to keep an eye on temps (or some other stuff) i'd recommend conky. had a "sidebar" full with its stuff.
1972[20:56:44] <victorqueiroz> Can I use it on gnome?
1973[20:57:38] <EdePopede> desktop independent. it writes to the root window or optionally into a normal one. depends on the settings, you'd maybe have to play a bit with them
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1976[20:58:30] <EdePopede> i had some problems with its layers on xfce, the text was written below the wallpaper depending on the settings, which is a bit suboptimal :D
1977[20:58:57] <EdePopede> starting it with the alt-f2 thingy right after login solved the issue
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1980[20:59:13] <mariok> Hello
1981[21:00:03] <mariok> I do have a problem with my audio setup. After a Debian System Update a few months ago I had the problem that the audio works only sometimes. I did have to reboot my system several times until the internal audio got recognized.
1982[21:00:11] <EdePopede> victorqueiroz: what does usually follow the last entries from your paste?
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1984[21:00:34] <victorqueiroz> EdePopede: What do you mean?
1985[21:00:37] <mariok> today I did reboot my system aprox 10 times in a row and the sound does not work yet. I git "dummy output" in pulse audio
1986[21:00:53] <mariok> how can I debug the audio system in Debian?
1987[21:01:07] <EdePopede> mariok: the hardware gets recognized? had a similar rare issue with the eth, and also sometimes with the sound
1988[21:01:09] <mariok> pulseaudio tells me "dummy output"
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1990[21:01:26] <mariok> EdePopede: do you mean lspci?
1991[21:01:56] <mariok> lspci
1992[21:01:58] <mariok> [...]
1993[21:01:59] <mariok> 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio (rev 21)
1994[21:02:11] <EdePopede> victorqueiroz, the last line > Apr 28 15:03:52 debian-desktop kernel: [ 8.985282] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.11 -- what follows it when the boot process works? may hang here at the next thing happening
1995[21:02:25] <EdePopede> mariok: you have sound now?
1996[21:02:35] <mariok> no I don't have sound now
1997[21:02:48] <EdePopede> lsmod looks ok?
1998[21:02:50] <mariok> pulse audio tells me "Dummy Output"
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2002[21:04:13] <EdePopede> and this on? > pacmd list-cards
2003[21:05:15] <mariok> replaced-url
2004[21:05:31] <mariok> ^^^ this is my lsmod
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2006[21:05:57] <EdePopede> heh, gnome's paste is ways better than ubuntu's
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2008[21:06:12] <mariok> System is a Lenovo T460
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2010[21:06:25] <spackle259> EdePopede: /exit
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2012[21:06:30] <indomitable> mariok, lenovos are for the weak
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2014[21:06:45] <indomitable> I'm running irc on a series of vacuum tubes
2015[21:06:47] <mariok> pacmd list-cards
2016[21:06:47] <mariok> 0 card(s) available.
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2019[21:07:25] <mariok> after a Debian System update a few month ago I had the situation that I needed to reboot the system several times to get the audio working
2020[21:07:42] <mariok> I had to reboot the systems 2-3 times in the past.
2021[21:07:52] <mariok> but today I did reboot my system 10 times without success.
2022[21:08:19] <mariok> is there a way to reload the whole audio modules?
2023[21:09:20] <mariok> what can i do next to debug the audio system?
2024[21:09:45] <EdePopede> mariok, found that one > pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload
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2026[21:10:14] <EdePopede> and this one looks good? > lspci -nnk | grep -A2 Audio
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2028[21:10:59] <mariok> # alsa force-reload
2029[21:11:00] <mariok> -bash: alsa: command not found
2030[21:11:05] <mariok> ^^^ in the root shell
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2033[21:12:15] <mariok> EdePopede: replaced-url
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2035[21:13:02] <mariok> rmmod snd_hda_intel && modprobe snd_hda_intel
2036[21:13:02] <mariok> rmmod: ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use
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2038[21:13:38] <mariok> cat /etc/debian_version
2039[21:13:39] <mariok> buster/sid
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2042[21:14:49] <mariok> what can I do next?
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2047[21:19:08] <mariok> yes lspci looks good.
2048[21:19:20] <mariok> what can I do next to debug my sudio setup?
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2050[21:20:35] <EdePopede> i don't have that command either, hm. and google even has an exact search entry, but when i quote it it doesn't find it. great.
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2052[21:21:21] <mariok> I'll do a dist-upgrade now.
2053[21:21:24] <mariok> and then reboot
2054[21:21:45] <mariok> is there a systemd service that I can reboot?
2055[21:21:53] <mariok> s/reboot/restart
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2067[21:33:03] <agc> Good afternoon.
2068[21:34:43] <agc> \exit
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2076[21:38:28] <JohnDoe2> is there a relatively easy way to download packages on one platform and then transfer them to another? Right now I'm using aptitude -r download <package-name> but it doesn't pull any dependencies
2077[21:38:52] <JohnDoe2> it just downloads that one package I specify. Then I copy it over to the internet-less device and I get a bunch of crap about how this and that dependency is not met
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2080[21:41:38] <jmcnaught> !apt offline
2081[21:41:38] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read replaced-url
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2084[21:42:16] <mariok> Hello
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2086[21:42:44] <mariok> I did "apt-get dist-upgrade" and after that I tried "booting the system, looking in pulseaudio --> Dummy Output --> reboot
2087[21:43:09] <mariok> I did reboot the system 10 times in a row and all 10 boots I did have the "Dummy Output".
2088[21:43:29] <mariok> is there something I can do to repair my sound setup?
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2090[21:44:30] <mariok> As I already wrote a few days before now I did have the situation the sometimes I got the "Dummy Output" in Pulseaudio. A reboot did solve the issue in the past.
2091[21:44:43] <mariok> but Today I did reboot the system at leas 15 times without success.
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2093[21:44:46] <mawk> sounds like a race condition
2094[21:44:56] <mawk> some services are competing during startup
2095[21:45:10] <mawk> you can maybe print out a boot log from systemd from a time it works, and another time it doesn't work, and compare them
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2098[21:45:45] <mariok> mawk: I did reboot the system 15 times withtout success
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2100[21:46:01] <mariok> so I can't print a boot log in "working condition"
2101[21:46:37] <mariok> pacmd list-cards
2102[21:46:37] <mariok> 0 card(s) available.
2103[21:46:38] <mawk> yeah that's a little blocking detail
2104[21:46:58] <mariok> which systemd service does the sound driver stuff?
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2108[21:49:18] <mariok> what can I do next?
2109[21:49:21] <mariok> please help
2110[21:49:49] <mawk> you can also try on ##linux maybe
2111[21:50:07] <mariok> another irc channel?
2112[21:50:23] <mariok> is'nt it a debian related issue?
2113[21:50:31] <EdePopede> mariok: just an idea, do you have a live disc?
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2115[21:51:24] <JohnDoe2> jmcnaught apt-offline depends on ... Can't I just copy all .deb to a USB disk from say, DVD isos?
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2119[21:52:16] <EdePopede> mawk: that was my problems with the network sometimes: eth needed took too long and until it was there the system had given up starting the network.
2120[21:52:47] <mawk> yeah it gives itself like 30 seconds
2121[21:52:53] <mawk> to wait for network
2122[21:53:10] <mariok> EdePopede: I don't have a LiveCD USB stick ready at the moment.
2123[21:53:19] <EdePopede> may be ok for a server, but is completely insane for a home PC
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2125[21:53:57] <EdePopede> debian isn't XP, no need to reboot 3 times a day
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2128[21:54:33] <EdePopede> and all these reboots did cost me more time than a serial workflow would have needed
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2130[21:55:20] <mariok> EdePopede: in the past a reboot did resolve my issue.
2131[21:55:37] <mariok> after 2-3 times rebooting the system and the sound card did work in the past.
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2133[21:55:58] <mariok> i don't know if it's a software or a hardware issue.
2134[21:56:06] <EdePopede> hardware is what changes over time, not software. so you maybe have a hardware issue which is getting worse and now the system can handle it less than in the past
2135[21:56:33] <mariok> that could be the case. yes
2136[21:56:50] <EdePopede> had this problem with an old board, at the end i had to press the power button repeatedly and keep it press. like a starter for some old engine
2137[21:56:55] <mariok> I'm preparing a grml LiveCD USB stick
2138[21:57:24] <EdePopede> mariok: maybe you should stay with your normal distro to keep it more comparable
2139[21:57:26] <mariok> In my case It's a Lenovo T460 Laptop
2140[21:57:58] * EdePopede bought a used M82 last year, runs fantastic with stretch
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2147[22:07:16] <mariok> now I'm writing a grml ISO to an USB stick and try to boot from that stick.
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2163[22:15:05] <JohnDoe2> yup, bump apt-offline, ISO to usbstick is the way to go
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2169[22:16:26] <johnjay> does the bot tell you package version info?
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2171[22:17:16] <johnjay> i wanted to know what gdb version was real quick for stretch and buster
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2177[22:18:34] <Habbie> johnjay, i know nothing about the bot but i know the packages.debian.org site can tell yo
2178[22:18:36] <Habbie> you
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2181[22:20:04] <echoSMILE> Hi. I'm trying to install nginx stable version and I got: replaced-url
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2185[22:21:21] <Habbie> echoSMILE, probably best to uninstall nginx-full first
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2187[22:21:40] <Habbie> echoSMILE, and then complain to the provider of nginx_1.16.0 that they should add a Conflicts line
2188[22:22:31] <echoSMILE> Habbie provider? I'm doing it directly from nginx.org
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2191[22:23:48] <echoSMILE> following this article: replaced-url
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2201[22:33:48] <nixew> Oops.
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2219[22:38:23] <cybercrypto> :-) Debian 9.9 is out there.... we are getting close to the next major release...
2220[22:38:26] <Nozzzle> hello, I left the computer to hibernate while the VM was full screen..I've just resumed the session, and now the VM is shown running but the VM screen is all black
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2222[22:38:36] <Nozzzle> VM is qemu-kvm
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2224[22:39:12] <cybercrypto> Nozzzle: can you ssh into the vm?
2225[22:39:29] <cybercrypto> Nozzzle: I mean, can you access the guestOS via ssh?
2226[22:39:38] <Nozzzle> cybercrypto, I haven't tried.
2227[22:40:30] <cybercrypto> Nozzzle: we dont know for sure what problem is at this point.... but I may say that if it is accessible via ssh... we could workaround
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2230[22:41:41] <Nozzzle> cybercrypto, I was just wondering if I could retrieve the display without having to restart VM.
2231[22:42:18] <maxxe> I'm creating a Debian package from an upstream tarball. But I have a question... What happens when a new release comes out...? Shall I save the files created by dh_make under debian/* (which I've edited of course) for further use? In a Git branch or something? What's the approach?
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2233[22:43:05] <cybercrypto> Nozzzle: accessing via ssh you could check X server status, export display into another X server.... and even kill/restart X to login again.. (no vm reboot)
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2236[22:44:05] <Nozzzle> thanks, cybercrypto, but I don't know how to do those. I am tight on time, apparently I should restart.
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2243[22:45:17] <Nozzzle> and as it seems, I shouldn't let the computer go to sleep when I have the VM full screen
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2245[22:46:27] <cybercrypto> Nozzzle: Ok. if time is one of your constraints now.. go ahead and do what you decide for. But remember to run some tests with display variable using ssh forwarding later... it is really good and can save you in many critical situations where you are 'headless' ;-)
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2247[22:48:08] <Nozzzle> cybercrypto, thank you for your help, I appreciate the value of getting savvy in these.
2248[22:49:01] <cybercrypto> Nozzzle: np. good luck.
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2251[22:50:23] <Habbie> echoSMILE, then nginx.org is the provider you should complain to
2252[22:51:02] <echoSMILE> Habbie a 'conflicts line' is instruction to be compatible with debian system ?
2253[22:51:25] <Habbie> echoSMILE, a 'conflicts line' would cause apt/dpkg to remove your existing nginx before attempting to install theirs
2254[22:51:39] <Habbie> echoSMILE, instead of you running into a conflict during installation because they both own /usr/bin/nginx
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2258[22:53:03] <echoSMILE> Habbie but if I do it in a manual way, I don't need to depend of any conflict line from providers right?
2259[22:53:10] <Habbie> echoSMILE, if you first remove your nginx, sure
2260[22:53:56] <echoSMILE> ok. by the way, if I remove nginx package, all /etc/nginx goes away ?
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2264[22:55:46] <Habbie> echoSMILE, it shouldn't, unless you use 'purge', but i make no promises
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2267[22:57:03] <echoSMILE> Hm. ok. tks
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