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• 4[00:01:20] <Brigo_> InvisibleRasta, you need the firmware provided by non-free repositories. They are missiong in the official release but you can get them from non official ones.
• 5[00:01:35] <InvisibleRasta> where do i ge tthem?
• 6[00:01:36] <Brigo_> replaced-url
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• 9[00:02:01] <InvisibleRasta> Brigo: replaced-url
• 10[00:02:04] <InvisibleRasta> this one?
• 11[00:02:45] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
• 12[00:02:46] <Brigo> no, the netinstall.
• 13[00:02:55] <InvisibleRasta> hmm
• 14[00:03:07] <InvisibleRasta> im not sure
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• 16[00:03:14] <Brigo> get the netinstall with firmware from there and install with that.
• 17[00:03:31] <InvisibleRasta> where is it^
• 18[00:03:37] <Brigo> you can get those files, put them in an usb and use them, of course.
• 19[00:03:43] <Brigo> replaced-url
• 20[00:03:45] <InvisibleRasta> i tried
• 21[00:03:47] <InvisibleRasta> didnt work
• 22[00:03:50] <InvisibleRasta> it didnt find them
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• 24[00:04:21] <InvisibleRasta> i need to extract them Brigo ?
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• 26[00:05:15] <Brigo> InvisibleRasta, it is an installer, put it in a usb and install from it.
• 27[00:05:30] <InvisibleRasta> i alredy have the installer i miss the firmwares
• 28[00:05:36] <InvisibleRasta> at least thats what the installer says
• 29[00:05:38] <Brigo> it is a netinstal with firmware
• 30[00:05:46] <InvisibleRasta> also the touchpad doesnt work but i guess i can do it with KB
• 31[00:05:57] <Brigo> this netinstall do has the firmware.
• 32[00:06:03] <Brigo> that's the point.
• 33[00:06:22] <InvisibleRasta> oh
• 34[00:06:37] <InvisibleRasta> tought i could use the firmware files as the netinstall iso told me
• 35[00:07:29] <Brigo> InvisibleRasta, yes, you could, that is another option. Install with non official netinstall it is easier.
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• 41[00:08:06] <SerajewelKS> InvisibleRasta: you could also just do a full install from DVD 1
• 42[00:08:10] <SerajewelKS> and skip the netinstall
• 43[00:08:20] <InvisibleRasta> i see
• 44[00:08:28] <SerajewelKS> well, full is the wrong term. offline.
• 45[00:08:38] <SerajewelKS> DVD 1 doesn't need internet access to install a working system
• 46[00:09:42] <InvisibleRasta> problem i need to install on a subvolume
• 47[00:09:46] <InvisibleRasta> btrfs subvolume
• 48[00:09:54] <InvisibleRasta> and i was told i can do it wth netinstall iso
• 49[00:09:58] <InvisibleRasta> so thats why im using that
• 50[00:10:16] <SerajewelKS> that doesn't mean you can't do it with DVD 1
• 51[00:10:31] <SerajewelKS> "X can do Y" doesn't imply "X is the only thing that can do Y"
• 52[00:10:53] <InvisibleRasta> meh im one week trying to install debian
• 53[00:10:55] <SerajewelKS> you asked if the netinstall could do it, people said yes
• 54[00:11:03] <Brigo> InvisibleRasta, use lxc as i already told you.
• 55[00:11:12] <InvisibleRasta> in the meanwhile i compiled gentoo and got a running system
• 56[00:11:20] <SerajewelKS> then use gentoo
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• 104[00:44:33] <InvisibleRasta> guys how do i trick the installer to pick up my root subvolume
• 105[00:44:35] <InvisibleRasta> ?
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• 109[00:47:03] <InvisibleRasta> i tried as i usually do mount -t btrfs -o subvol=@debian /dev/sda5 /mnt/
• 110[00:47:09] <InvisibleRasta> but the isntaller doesnt pick it up
• 111[00:47:14] <InvisibleRasta> as a drive
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• 114[00:47:37] <SerajewelKS> InvisibleRasta: if you mount it on /target and skip the partitioning step, i *think* that should work
• 115[00:47:56] <InvisibleRasta> literally to /target or to /mnt?
• 116[00:48:06] <SerajewelKS> you have to choose "go back" until you get a list of choices and then select the one after partitioning, which i think is "install base system"
• 117[00:48:10] <SerajewelKS> literally to /target
• 118[00:48:13] <InvisibleRasta> ah
• 119[00:48:15] <InvisibleRasta> damn it
• 120[00:48:17] <InvisibleRasta> ty
• 121[00:48:27] <SerajewelKS> that's where the installer expects to find the install target's root volume
• 122[00:48:33] <InvisibleRasta> cool
• 123[00:48:35] <InvisibleRasta> ty
• 124[00:48:37] <InvisibleRasta> hope it works
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• 177[01:26:44] <InvisibleRasta> guys my netinstall iso doesnt have a /target partition
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• 181[01:29:27] <InvisibleRasta> i tried 20 times to restart it doesnt appear.. when i get to the partitioning part of the iso i go to shell and there is no /target neither target/
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• 199[01:49:39] <InvisibleRasta> any idea why my netinstall doesnt have /target?
• 200[01:50:18] <joepublic> Nothing beyond the notion that after chrooting into it it's just known as "/"
• 201[01:50:22] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: that's only used at package installation time
• 202[01:50:46] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: why is it being such a nightmare fo rme to install debian
• 203[01:50:47] <jelly> nothing to mount before the partitioning and fs creation is done
• 204[01:50:49] <InvisibleRasta> i dont get it
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• 207[01:51:29] <InvisibleRasta> i followed this: replaced-url
• 208[01:51:41] <InvisibleRasta> but i cant mount the subvolume as there is no /target
• 209[01:52:31] <jelly> that's a bit weird
• 210[01:52:38] <Krennic> hmm
• 211[01:52:48] <joepublic> It is easy for you to install debian. Apparently you want to install debian, but only the way some reddit person--who isn't here--says to do it, resulting in a btrfs /
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• 214[01:53:03] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: which specific iso image are you using?
• 215[01:53:28] <InvisibleRasta> i tried debian-9.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
• 216[01:53:30] <InvisibleRasta> debian-live-9.6.0-amd64-mate.iso
• 217[01:53:34] <InvisibleRasta> both
• 218[01:53:39] <joepublic> if it was me, and setup wouldn't btrfs and i wanted to, I would install to ext4, then boot a live cd and convert the partition to btrfs, then mount it and edit the fstab.
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• 220[01:54:00] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: does anything prevent you from switching to Alt-F3, opening a shell, creating the supposedly missing directory and going back to Alt-F1 with the installer UI?
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• 222[01:54:17] <InvisibleRasta> joepublic: i need to install debian in a subvolume. debootstrap gives me a broken system since and the installer doesnt have a /target partition as i guess i alredy have a subvolume created and i dont want to repartition
• 223[01:54:54] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: i tried but it doesnt pick up the subvolume as /root and tells me that i didnt set /
• 224[01:55:02] <jelly> I don't know whether d-i supports installing on a subvolume
• 225[01:55:52] <joepublic> You need to install to a subvolume, full stop? Or you need to do so in order to follow a particular set of instructions that, honestly, don't seem to be helping you?
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• 227[01:56:18] <InvisibleRasta> joepublic: i need to install it on a subvolume as thats how my system is setup
• 228[01:57:13] <InvisibleRasta> would of have been easy id debootstrap was not pulling a compromised system
• 229[01:58:05] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: wasn't that just a matter of mirror usage or did it happen with any mirror?
• 230[01:58:21] <InvisibleRasta> i tried a couple
• 231[01:58:33] <InvisibleRasta> it never really went very well
• 232[01:58:42] <InvisibleRasta> have you got a mirror to suggest?
• 233[01:58:49] <InvisibleRasta> i guess ill try that way once again
• 234[01:59:22] <jelly> pick one from your country
• 235[01:59:25] <jelly> !mirrors
• 236[01:59:25] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
• 237[02:00:43] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
• 238[02:00:50] <InvisibleRasta> compromised system
• 239[02:00:54] <InvisibleRasta> and its from my country
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• 241[02:01:50] <joepublic> i don't see why ftp.ro.debian.org would not work.
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• 244[02:02:28] <InvisibleRasta> me neither
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• 252[02:08:49] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 260[02:12:01] <InvisibleRasta> joepublic: this is jsut the first error i get after bootstrapping and chrooting
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• 268[02:14:42] <InvisibleRasta> i wonder if using arch-chroot would get me the same errors
• 269[02:15:03] <InvisibleRasta> cause i cant install makedev
• 270[02:15:06] <InvisibleRasta> cant do anything
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• 280[02:18:21] <InvisibleRasta> i guess its a PATH problem
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• 283[02:19:59] <joepublic> what is your path?
• 284[02:20:11] <InvisibleRasta> i fixed it now
• 285[02:20:29] <InvisibleRasta> bash: /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11/bin: No such file or directory
• 286[02:20:32] <InvisibleRasta> well kind ok
• 287[02:20:34] <InvisibleRasta> of
• 288[02:21:10] <joepublic> that looks pretty reasonable for root's path, perhaps echo $PATH
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• 290[02:21:25] <InvisibleRasta> /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin
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• 295[02:24:56] <InvisibleRasta> jelly: all my errors i had for debootstrapping is because my actual distro has different PATH compared to the bootstrapped debian
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• 300[02:26:47] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: that probably shouldn't be an issue as long as there're all of /usr/sbin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /bin in there
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• 302[02:27:25] <InvisibleRasta> Arch's default PATH only has "/usr/local/sbin", "/usr/local/bin", and "/usr/bin", whereas debian uses these directories as well as "/bin", "/sbin" and "/usr/sbin"
• 303[02:28:53] <jelly> defaults for PATH are usually different for root and for normal user
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• 311[02:35:16] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
• 312[02:35:51] <themill> looks like your sources.list isn't right
• 313[02:37:06] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 364[03:30:01] <CyberManifest> why is this happening: replaced-url
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• 368[03:33:06] <ryouma> in jessie debconf is asking me about pam modules. i do not know what to answer. " 1. Unix authentication 2. Register user sessions in the systemd control group hierarchy 3. Inheritable Capabilities Management 4. none of the above"
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• 370[03:34:58] <ryouma> i just want whatever i had before, which would be the default for jessie. the question does not seem to have a default.
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• 377[03:39:28] <dominix> hi everyone, could someone point me to old CD image. I need a wheezy to rebuild an old dev machine
• 378[03:39:51] <dominix> ideally wheezy 7.8
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• 381[03:42:10] <Ede|Popede> dominix > replaced-url
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• 383[03:43:38] <dominix> thanks Ede
• 384[03:44:03] <Ede|Popede> seems you habe the choice between jigdo and live versions
• 385[03:44:05] <dominix> isn't there any iso of 7.8 , or just jigdo ?
• 386[03:44:27] <joepublic> what's wrong with jigdo? :)
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• 388[03:45:24] <dominix> never used it
• 389[03:45:38] <Ede|Popede> ah, 7.11 is available as .iso (last in the 7.x series)
• 390[03:45:41] <joepublic> it makes an iso at the conclusion of the process.
• 391[03:45:43] <dominix> I just need the netinst
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• 393[03:46:09] <dominix> i will go with 7.11
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• 396[03:46:57] <dominix> found it, thanks to all
• 397[03:47:05] <joepublic> cheers.
• 398[03:47:18] <Ede|Popede> how long does it take with jigdo until the set is reade? i know, depends on bandwith... i think i got 32G or so now
• 399[03:47:31] <Ede|Popede> happy installing
• 400[03:47:45] <joepublic> I would imagine that it takes less time than it took when originally released. I have not jigdo'd in a while.
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• 403[03:48:31] <Ede|Popede> and the last time you did? i mean, just rundabout.. hours, days, weeks...? never did id, so i really have no clue
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• 405[03:48:35] <dominix> jigdo look fine, but I'm short in time
• 406[03:49:12] <joepublic> As I recall I started the process and went to bed. Hours.
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• 408[03:49:21] <dominix> I mean, ain't got no time to learn it... no yet
• 409[03:49:39] <Ede|Popede> oh. sounds great.
• 410[03:49:48] <joepublic> only because of slow download speed. jigdo downloads all the packages in the iso and recreates the iso from the packages.
• 411[03:50:39] <Ede|Popede> ah so it's not about fixed sized chunks of the image?
• 412[03:51:14] <joepublic> no; just packages.
• 413[03:53:15] <joepublic> i am trying to remember how long it's been since I used boot-floppies to make an actual boot floppy. Or had to choose between us and non-us.
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• 415[03:55:56] <dominix> my first linux install was on some soft floppies, like 360 ko
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• 418[03:56:25] <dominix> there were really plenty, it was an slackware I guess
• 419[03:56:40] <joepublic> for a long time the debian boot cd was called boot-floppies because that's what the bootable package was called.
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• 423[03:59:57] <Ede|Popede> first linux install i've been at was 22 floppies. now debian reached 14 DVDs or so?
• 424[04:00:20] <joepublic> I have a 3-BD-ROM set of stretch.
• 425[04:00:57] <joepublic> burned it to test by blu-ray burner, which I find that I don't have nearly as much need for as I had anticipated.
• 426[04:01:21] <dominix> thanks to the Internet;
• 427[04:02:22] <Ede|Popede> not only, there's still DVD. and as long you don't go for 4k media, there's no real need for BD. only disadvantage of DVD-Video is the (now) horrible resolution.
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• 429[04:02:27] <dominix> for my first install the internet was run through analogic modem, it was 14400 baud ... I was ordering my flopies by post office
• 430[04:02:46] <Ede|Popede> but it sounded better back then ;)
• 431[04:02:54] <dominix> :-)
• 432[04:03:11] <ryouma> 2400 is usable
• 433[04:03:26] <dominix> :-)
• 434[04:03:29] <joepublic> 300 baud is slower than you can read.
• 435[04:03:48] <dominix> bye guys
• 436[04:03:54] <Ede|Popede> bye dominix
• 437[04:03:58] <joepublic> peace.
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• 441[04:05:21] <Ede|Popede> so jigdo is simply downloading from the mirrors? don't know why, but i always thought it also does sharing (torrent and such)
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• 443[04:05:56] <joepublic> jigdo, jigsaw download.
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• 445[04:09:14] <Ede|Popede> so i should have done it for long now. i thought i'd have to take care first of isolating the upload for security or whatever. but if it is download only then the time of iso downloads is over :)
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• 447[04:12:11] <joepublic> i like the way you think. but people sure do seem to prefer downloading isos to assembling them with jigdo.
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• 450[04:16:49] <Ede|Popede> i think some have to see it working one time. downloading an iso isn't much different from downloading an exe, but jigdo... #neuland
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• 453[04:17:48] <Ede|Popede> googled for video+jigdo. got lots of results with tibetan music Oo
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• 456[04:21:05] <Ede|Popede> will have a look at this one replaced-url
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• 458[04:21:15] <Ede|Popede> the links below the video look good, so...
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• 484[04:41:09] <blackmajic> how do i tell what is causing all the write to a drive? iotop just shows the speed but no process
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• 492[04:47:05] <dvs> top?
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• 498[04:59:38] <m_g_lewis> blackmajic: On my system (Debian 9) iotop shows the command in the last column and I beleive th thread id in the first column...
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• 524[05:24:11] <blackmajic> all the processes are 0.0 m_g_lewis
• 525[05:24:35] <blackmajic> none show 10mb/s
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• 579[06:26:34] <noobling> WHAT should I use debian testing or unstable
• 580[06:27:03] <noobling> i want latest packages but also don't want it to break, so I guess testing, but the wiki says testing does not receive security updates sometimes
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• 582[06:27:11] <noobling> is that something I should be worried about?
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• 584[06:27:45] <n4dir> if you want the lates packages, then debian is not the right distribution for you. plain and simple
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• 586[06:28:10] <n4dir> if you don't want it to break, then debian is the right distribution for you. Also plain and simple
• 587[06:28:12] <noobling> i don't want bleeding edge, just relatively recent
• 588[06:28:25] <noobling> not Super old is what I want
• 589[06:28:35] <n4dir> not sure, probably something like ubuntu or fedora or such then.
• 590[06:29:04] <noobling> can you also answer that part about testing not receiving security updates, what is that about
• 591[06:29:10] <n4dir> both, testing and unstable, and also a mixed version of both, *will* break (or at least the chance is high enough)
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• 594[06:29:50] <noobling> I'm fine with them breaking once in a while, I mean, I can usually fix things when that happens, but I don't want unstable (because that breaks too often and I need to update too often)
• 595[06:29:54] <n4dir> not that sure about it, as i never cared. I think it means : the debian security team doesn't handle it, but fixes happen as the maintainer of the packaage sees it fit. Like that.
• 596[06:30:08] <noobling> I am fine with testing, it works fine for me, just worried about the part about security updates
• 597[06:30:39] <noobling> someone told me they have a priority script to use debsecan and fetch fixes quickly from unstable when they don't come to testing, but I think I don't want to do all that
• 598[06:30:57] <n4dir> as far i can tell it is as i said (regarding the security updates). debian.org has some info bout it, also which distro to choose (stable, testing or unstable).
• 599[06:31:44] <n4dir> noobling: running mixed testing/unstable isn't that hard. And has a few advantages over a pure testing (imho, but the FAQ or a similar official document says the same)
• 600[06:32:10] <n4dir> in short you set testing to default, and only install packages from sid if needed, with apt-get install -t sid package_name
• 601[06:32:15] <n4dir> makes any sense?
• 602[06:32:42] <n4dir> oh, and btw: #debian-next is the IRC channel for duh: debian-next. It is on the oftc IRC network, not freenode.
• 603[06:32:58] <noobling> it does, that guy used debsecan to mark packages with security updates temporarily high in the apt priority list, then fetched them as usual
• 604[06:33:19] <n4dir> make sure to install apt-listbugs, make sure to have a backup-solution, use a bit more common sense than when using stable
• 605[06:33:50] <n4dir> never heard of it. but debian packagemanagement is a *huge* subject. so that i don't know it says nothing.
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• 607[06:33:55] <noobling> n4dir: one question, when I manually mark some package from sid like you did there, what happens when over time a more recent version comes in my default repo? will it be frozen or will it be upgraded then?
• 608[06:34:26] <n4dir> good question. i don't know. i always ran pure sid.
• 609[06:34:59] <n4dir> well: or pure stable.
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• 611[06:35:58] <n4dir> noobling: which DE do you use? I seem to recall there have been distros based on Sid, but i think with a focus on KDE.
• 612[06:36:13] <noobling> none
• 613[06:36:15] <noobling> just a wm
• 614[06:36:37] <n4dir> ah, i see. I remember something like "sidux", but i think the name changed.
• 615[06:36:55] <n4dir> though i don't think it is necessary. Just another safety net.
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• 618[06:38:16] <n4dir> you won't get support here though, as said, you will have to use the #debian-next channel
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• 620[06:38:56] <noobling> Ok, thanks.
• 621[06:39:14] <n4dir> good, good. Mainly: good luck and have fun :-)
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• 624[06:42:41] <pity> hi, guys. Is there any package with bash-comletion support examples?
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• 627[06:45:01] <n4dir> pity: i can't link right now, but if you go to #bash and type /msg greybot completion ; you will get a link (best of all: do debian-administration.org ...). I hope this helps
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• 629[06:45:23] <n4dir> from what i understand they are not a big fan of it. But you will have to ask them about it.
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• 727[08:14:23] <Peppi> hello
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• 729[08:14:59] <Peppi> I'm not sure what this is called but I want to make it so when I type: ll it runs ls -a how do I go about doing that?
• 730[08:15:19] <Peppi> or what is that called? Shortcut or what? I have no clue as to the name
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• 732[08:17:01] <n4dir> Peppi: it is called "alias".
• 733[08:17:26] <n4dir> do something like "grep alias ~/.bashrc" ; and it should give you the idea
• 734[08:17:40] <Peppi> got it thanks :D
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• 736[08:18:33] <n4dir> Peppi: iirc debian's bashrc will "source" a .bash_aliases file (or similar), so you might also use that (iirc, just look at bashrc). Not sure if there is a big advantage though.
• 737[08:19:22] <Peppi> hmm interesting
• 738[08:19:26] <n4dir> oh, i see you are in good hands over at #linux
• 739[08:19:45] <Peppi> yes
• 740[08:19:50] <Peppi> but here is good too
• 741[08:19:57] <Peppi> lots of other chatter there :)
• 742[08:20:19] <n4dir> sure. just saying that i am not really a good resource when it comes to aliases ... :-)
• 743[08:21:21] <n4dir> the channel #bash recommends to rather use functions than aliases (besides most easy cases, if i understand them correct).
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• 821[09:03:10] <mooseface420> Installing GRUB boot loader failed. I have another drive with encrypted windows plugged in. What do i do?
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• 832[09:12:29] <Ede|Popede> could it be that quite many of the right hand links on PDO are broken?
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• 838[09:16:15] <babilen> Ede|Popede: You might find replaced-url
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• 841[09:16:20] <babilen> And yes, it could be ..
• 842[09:17:08] <Ede|Popede> it's hard do keep an overview with all these hosts :>
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• 844[09:17:15] <babilen> Have you found any discernable pattern? A unifying attribute among the links that don't work?
• 845[09:18:41] <babilen> tdo is geared towards DDs/DMs and shows different information. Depending on what you're trying to do it might be more useful to you though
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• 852[09:20:41] <Ede|Popede> just right now, the replaced-url
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• 854[09:21:15] <Ede|Popede> and the one for the hp to alioth
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• 856[09:22:48] <Ede|Popede> is PDO obsolete or is there any place to report such broken links? ideally without opening an individual bug report for each
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• 862[09:25:25] <babilen> #debian-replaced-url
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• 864[09:25:44] <babilen> fwiw, links on tracker.d.o are correct
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• 867[09:27:00] <Ede|Popede> well, err... replaced-url
• 868[09:27:45] <Ede|Popede> maybe it would be easier to simply let them point to the package directly
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• 871[09:31:06] <Ede|Popede> uh, love this: replaced-url
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• 875[09:33:19] <Ede|Popede> i've seen it is not included anymore? was a nice piece of code imho to show what bash is able to do. (comparing it to command.com...)
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• 877[09:34:23] <pagios> emails to localhost on my server are usuallt sent to root or to root@localhost ?
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• 901[09:44:35] <pity> Sorry, my bad. I mean I want find a Debian package which has bash-completion support as an reference to help me to deal with packaging.
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• 903[09:46:53] <pagios> hello/
• 904[09:46:55] <tarzeau> pity: packaging what software?
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• 906[09:47:51] <pity> tarzeau: an internal application, not public
• 907[09:48:02] <tarzeau> ah i see
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• 909[09:48:15] <tarzeau> but you build it from source? for debian stable ?
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• 911[09:48:46] <jelly> ,file /etc/bash_completion.d/
• 912[09:48:51] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 913[09:48:54] <tarzeau> the most important thing is to have DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME set then run dh-make in the src pkg that generates debian/* templates, that after editing you run debuild
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• 916[09:49:54] <jelly> ,file /etc/bash_completion.d/*
• 917[09:49:57] <pity> from source
• 918[09:49:58] <judd> Search for /etc/bash_completion.d/* in stretch/amd64: [truncated] deborphan: etc/bash_completion.d/deborphan; git: etc/bash_completion.d/git-prompt; blazeblogger: etc/bash_completion.d/blazeblogger; apt-venv: etc/bash_completion.d/apt-venv; arcanist: etc/bash_completion.d/arcanist.bash-completion; easygit: etc/bash_completion.d/easygit; drslib: etc/bash_completion.d/drslibCompletion.bash;
• 919[09:49:59] <judd> dracut-core: etc/bash_completion.d/dracut; gmic: etc/bash_completion.d/gmic; dlocate: etc/bash_completion.d/dlocate-completion; file-rc: etc/bash_completion.d/file-rc; cdcd: etc/bash_completion.d/cdcd; fail2ban: etc/bash_completion.d/fail2ban; bugz: etc/bash_completion.d/bugz; feedgnuplot: etc/bash_completion.d/feedgnuplot; dkms: etc/bash_completion.d/dkms; zope-common: (1 more message)
• 920[09:50:01] <jelly> any of those I guess
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• 922[09:50:53] <pity> jelly: thanks buddy
• 923[09:51:12] <Ede|Popede> pity maybe also replaced-url
• 924[09:52:02] <pagios> hello, echo "hello" | mail -s 'hello no.fwd' root@localhost ; mail No mail for root
• 925[09:52:04] <pagios> why?
• 926[09:53:13] <pity> Ede|Popede: thanks but I think it's not what I'm looking for, I want to package an application with bash-completion support, the completion fuctioning has been already implemented.
• 927[09:53:31] <jelly> pity: there is also #packaging channel on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net)
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• 930[09:54:30] <pagios> jello/
• 931[09:54:42] <pity> jelly: thanks
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• 972[10:22:19] <ironhand> hi, can anyone point me to any information describing how apt resolves a dependency when there are multiple candidate packages for it (such as a virtual package name or a 'package1 | package2' structure)?
• 973[10:22:30] <ironhand> i.e. how is it decided to pick one package and not another?
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• 982[10:31:13] <petn-randall> ironhand: It usually picks the first one, unless you use aptitude, then you get to pick the dependency resolution yourself.
• 983[10:31:16] <defanor> i'm trying to find where a package came from, but `apt-cache policy` points to /var/lib/dpkg/status. does it mean that it was installed from a .deb file, or are there other possibilities involving repositories?
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• 985[10:31:39] <petn-randall> defanor: Once a package is installed, there's no way to find out where it came from.
• 986[10:32:00] <defanor> i see, thanks
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• 1000[10:40:05] <pity> ,file /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/*
• 1001[10:40:09] <judd> Search for /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/* in stretch/amd64: [truncated] apache2: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/a2disconf, usr/share/bash-completion/completions/a2dismod, usr/share/bash-completion/completions/a2dissite, usr/share/bash-completion/completions/a2enconf, usr/share/bash-completion/completions/a2enmod, usr/share/bash-completion/completions/a2ensite; aapt: usr/share/bash-
• 1002[10:40:10] <judd> completion/completions/aapt; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/a2x; publican: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/_publican; zfsutils-linux: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/zfs; game-data-packager: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/game-data-packager; repo: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/repo; abigail-tools: usr/share/bash- (2 more messages)
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• 1020[10:52:27] <shtrb> Is there some integration for compiler /package build to send a notification job compile had ended ?
• 1021[10:52:44] <shtrb> like the ones we get when copy a file
• 1022[10:53:26] <JustASlacker> compile && mail -s "Compile Done" notify@mail.com
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• 1026[10:54:05] <shtrb> when I talk about a job notification I'm talking about DE notification (KJob, OSD etc)
• 1027[10:54:25] <shtrb> writing a script by myself is fun , I ask for something existing work flow
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• 1030[10:55:38] <shtrb> JustASlacker, I used to do qdbus --literal org.freedesktop.Notifications /DataEngine/applicationjobs/JobWatcher requestView "" "" 0 and then setting information and kill it
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• 1036[10:59:05] <Fox> petn-randall: you can, most of the time, find where an installed package comes from replaced-url
• 1037[10:59:18] <JustASlacker> shtrb: I use zenity for that
• 1038[10:59:20] <JustASlacker> zenity --info --text "Compile done"
• 1039[10:59:44] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
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• 1070[11:21:11] <petn-randall> Fox: You might be able look up the installed package version, and the package version in the repo, and *assume* that you got it from there on a match, but there's no guarantee.
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• 1072[11:21:32] <petn-randall> Fox: That's especially frustrating when you build you own packages, and forget to increment the version string.
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• 1082[11:28:14] <Fox> petn-randall: sure, that's why I said "most of the time"
• 1083[11:28:23] <shtrb> JustASlacker, I was talking about something like replaced-url
• 1084[11:28:39] <Fox> and the oneliner is buggy anyway
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• 1086[11:29:14] <shtrb> JustASlacker, zenity is good for UI I wished to interact with the notification system (and something built-in)
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• 1088[11:29:51] <Fox> replaced-url
• 1089[11:30:05] <BCMM> i just connected - what was the original question?
• 1090[11:30:26] <shtrb> BCMM, was it for me or for FOX ?
• 1091[11:30:32] <BCMM> about notifications
• 1092[11:30:53] <shtrb> me, I'm searhing for some tool for compiler / package build integration
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• 1095[11:31:13] <shtrb> I wish to get out of cases when I use the approach like in that script and use a built-in workflow
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• 1098[11:32:45] <BCMM> oh i see, this uses the global progress system, not just plain libnotify stuff?
• 1099[11:32:46] <shtrb> I'm using CMake mostly. so having a job updater like the one I just linked would be a nice eye-candy for me :)
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• 1101[11:34:01] <shtrb> libnotify had been broken recently
• 1102[11:34:23] <shtrb> I used to use libnotify in the past, but plasma had broken it
• 1103[11:34:41] <shtrb> s/broken/change how timeout and history works/g
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• 1107[11:35:15] <shtrb> BCMM you don't have to use progress (it's just an example I wrote to express what I wish to see)
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• 1109[11:35:38] <shtrb> in CMake for example we get 25% compile , 30% finished etc
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• 1199[12:41:19] <discovered> How do you install new theme ?
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• 1202[12:42:09] <discovered> i tried to move the theme to /usr/share/themes but in tweak tool i can't find the theme
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• 1220[12:55:35] <at0m> discovered: where did you get the theme?
• 1221[12:55:56] <at0m> most sites that collect themes have some guide on how to set them up, too
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• 1223[12:56:27] <discovered> at0m, gnome-looks
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• 1227[12:59:04] <at0m> discovered: and there was no howto on the site, or a README in the tarbal?
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• 1262[13:16:10] <oo_miguel> what is the common way to run fetchmail periodically as my user?
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• 1264[13:16:55] <Voidablazer> Is this a Debian tool only?
• 1265[13:16:58] <Voidablazer> if your device description says "Unknown device", you can update your local usb-id definition by running update-usbids as root.
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• 1267[13:17:08] <Voidablazer> replaced-url
• 1268[13:17:29] <shtrb> oo_miguel, yes you can invoke it manually (or use as a systemd timer)
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• 1273[13:19:50] <oo_miguel> shtrb: oh ok I will try that with systemd, thanks
• 1274[13:19:53] <dab21> oo_miguel: Probably what you want is crontab. Run "crontab -e" as a normal user. The commented lines will explain the file format.
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• 1276[13:20:08] <shtrb> oo_miguel, user timer no need to make it system wide
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• 1278[13:20:13] <shtrb> RIP cron
• 1279[13:20:19] <oo_miguel> dab21: hmm I used to do it with crontab before...
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• 1281[13:20:46] <oo_miguel> but after setting up debian from scratch, I began to wonder if this was the proper way
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• 1284[13:21:48] <oo_miguel> shtrb: yeah I want it to be run as my regular use only
• 1285[13:22:29] <shtrb> you have per user systemd timers
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• 1287[13:22:50] <dab21> oo_miguel: Each user can have their own crontab, which runs commands as that user. It works fine in stretch.
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• 1298[13:27:14] <shtrb> , file 50-udisks.rules
• 1299[13:27:20] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 1301[13:27:32] <shtrb> ,file 50-udisks.rules
• 1302[13:27:35] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 1324[13:48:23] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
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• 1334[13:53:25] <jelly> JustASlacker: better suited for #debian-offtopic I think
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• 1441[14:52:25] <wondiws> hi, I downloaded the 3 GB DVD iso image to install Debian, I wrote it do a USB drive using dd, but now in the installation I get an error that it cannot mount the DVD...
• 1442[14:52:29] <wondiws> how do I resolve this?
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• 1447[14:56:25] <jelly> wondiws: did you write it to the whole device (that is, eg. /dev/sdc and NOT /dev/sdc1)
• 1448[14:56:45] <wondiws> jelly, the whole device
• 1449[14:56:56] <wondiws> I suppose it wouldn't boot otherwise
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• 1457[15:01:48] <shtrb> did you md5sum it ?
• 1458[15:01:51] <shtrb> and compare the results ?
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• 1466[15:05:08] <wondiws> shtrb, md5sum is OK ofcourse ;)
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• 1469[15:05:59] <willemb> apt-show-versions is returning unexpected results for docker-ce: replaced-url
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• 1471[15:06:14] <willemb> i would have thought it thinks is is too old, not too new
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• 1479[15:07:33] <willemb> this must have something to do with how versions are compared to one another?
• 1480[15:07:40] <shtrb> wondiws, I'm talking about the written data against what you have on site
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• 1482[15:09:44] <greycat> willemb: can you please take pity on me and tell me WHICH VERSION it thinks is "in the archive" so I can see what it's trying to compare 5:18.09.0~3-0~debian-stretch again?
• 1483[15:09:47] <greycat> against
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• 1486[15:13:15] <willemb> greycat: how would I know? I was just comparing against the first hit in the list, or what is tries to do when I just do an apt install docker-ce
• 1487[15:13:55] <greycat> near as I can tell, 5:18.09.0~3-0~debian-stretch and 5:18.09.0~3-0~debian-stretch are the same, so I can't see what it's comparing (X vs Y) to come up with the notion that one is "newer than" the other.
• 1488[15:14:27] <greycat> But hey, it's a third party repo, and it's Docker, so I should probably just /ignore and move on.
• 1489[15:14:42] <willemb> you have come to the same conclusion I did
• 1490[15:14:58] <willemb> i guess strace to the rescue
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• 1492[15:16:59] <willemb> this could be the relevant line in strace output: docker-ce:amd64 5:18.09.0~3-0~de"..., 75docker-ce:amd64 5:18.09.0~3-0~debian-stretch newer than version in archive
• 1493[15:17:06] <willemb> so, same version
• 1494[15:17:55] <petn-randall> willemb: `apt-show-version | grep newer` shows me several packages, not just the docker-ce package.
• 1495[15:17:59] <shtrb> willemb, are you building a docker image or trying one ?
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• 1497[15:18:35] <shtrb> because in docker you meed some extra stuff to make debian work (the files are there but they are not executed)
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• 1500[15:19:25] <petn-randall> shtrb: willemb is talking about apt-show-version output, it's not about using docker. Read the backlog.
• 1501[15:20:01] <shtrb> I merged willemb and wondiws by mistake, sorry
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• 1503[15:20:18] <willemb> i am running the pmm docker image on debian stretch. with docker-ce installed from download.docker.com, as per their documentation
• 1504[15:20:24] <greycat> I think shtrb wants to sidestep the cosmetic warnings from apt-show-version which are clearly not leading to any kind of useful discussion, and get to the heart of the matter: what is the actual problem?
• 1505[15:20:39] <greycat> ... or maybe that's just me.
• 1506[15:21:05] <shtrb> just you, but you also can't trust "debian" images at docker because they had been changed
• 1507[15:22:52] <willemb> the actual problem is that, in our fleet of a couple of thousand hosts, we trust the output of 'apt-show-versions|grep 'version in archive' plus some cut,etc to tell us if we have packages installed that are not from any configured apt archives, because then we will not be getting security upgrades for said packages
• 1508[15:23:13] <willemb> shtrb I am not worried about what is IN the docker, I am worried about the docker-ce package installed ON a debian host
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• 1510[15:24:25] <willemb> now something changed in the docker-ce repo to make apt-show-versions not understand their versioning
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• 1512[15:24:32] <shtrb> docker-ce is not a debian package (afaik)
• 1513[15:24:41] <shtrb> ,v docker-ce
• 1514[15:24:42] <judd> No package named 'docker-ce' was found in amd64.
• 1515[15:24:55] <willemb> i suspect it is that they went from 18.06 to 5:18.09
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• 1518[15:25:07] <willemb> indeed, it comes from their own repo
• 1519[15:25:28] <willemb> the reason I am asking here is to better understand why apt-show-versions does not understand what is going on with it
• 1520[15:25:36] <shtrb> it's there package, which pools packages from a different repository (non debian)
• 1521[15:25:37] <willemb> not because I want someone here to fix the package
• 1522[15:25:41] <shtrb> *theirs package
• 1523[15:26:21] <willemb> are you suggesting that apt-show-versions is not useful with 3rd party repos?
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• 1525[15:27:07] <shtrb> we don't know if apt-show-versions is even trustworthy there
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• 1527[15:28:40] <willemb> is it documented somwhere that I should not trust apt-show-versions with 3rd party repos?
• 1528[15:28:53] <shtrb> you missed my point
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• 1531[15:29:28] <willemb> or you missed mine. Do you understand that I am not running apt-show-versions IN the container?
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• 1533[15:30:34] <shtrb> yes, but on a machine that have someone else software which we don't know how have modified the host. you are expecting Debian to give security upgrades for packages in a third party provider ?
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• 1536[15:31:06] <willemb> of course not
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• 1538[15:31:24] <shtrb> then I missed your point
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• 1542[15:32:12] <willemb> I expect a tool provided by debian, that compares installed packages' versions with those available in configured repositories, to tell me when I have a packages installed that is not installable
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• 1545[15:32:48] <willemb> is that not one of the functions of apt-show-versions?
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• 1547[15:33:45] <greycat> I suggest you file a bug.
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• 1549[15:34:24] <willemb> with docker because their versions are confusing, or with apt-show-versions because it doesn't understand docker-ce versions?
• 1550[15:34:30] <greycat> Against apt-show-versions.
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• 1552[15:35:21] <willemb> thanks. I'll do that.
• 1553[15:35:29] <greycat> It may turn out that docker is violating some policy rule with respect to package names, like maybe you can't have two tildes, or I don't know what. But short of that, at a glance, it does look like a bug in apt-show-versions.
• 1554[15:35:43] <willemb> thanks for the feedback
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• 1559[15:38:34] <petn-randall> willemb: I agree with willemb, it seems to be a bug with apt-show-versions. `apt-cache policy docker-ce` shows expected output.
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• 1577[15:47:17] <ham5urg> Has anyone managed to downgrade the microcode of a specific CPU?
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• 1584[15:48:43] <petn-randall> ham5urg: Ask your real question.
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• 1588[15:49:47] <petn-randall> s/A/It's better to a/
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• 1604[16:03:45] <mrig> hello
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• 1610[16:04:46] <mrig> What would be sensible course of action to get a python 3 build of neovim for debian stretch?
• 1611[16:05:37] <greycat> Does the version in stretch-backports meet those criteria?
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• 1614[16:06:07] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport python3-neovim
• 1615[16:06:08] <judd> Backporting package python3-neovim in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: python-pytest (>= 3.4.0), python3-pytest (>= 3.4.0).
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• 1617[16:06:49] <greycat> Ah. I only did /msg judd v neovim
• 1618[16:07:49] <petn-randall> mrig: Are you talking about python3-neovim? That's the only python dependency I see in neovim.
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• 1624[16:09:34] <mrig> Yes I think so, I was investigating Deoplete an auto complete plugin for neovim, it apparently requires that python 3 be flagged when neovim is built.
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• 1627[16:10:20] <mrig> greycat I just tried and unfortunately it does not.
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• 1629[16:11:09] <mrig> I could not find python3-neovim in the backports, I will try again to see that I did not make a typo or any such thing.
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• 1631[16:11:29] <mrig> who is judd :)
• 1632[16:11:39] <petn-randall> judd: are you a bot?
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• 1635[16:11:51] <petn-randall> meh, doesn't respond.
• 1636[16:11:58] <petn-randall> mrig: dpkg and judd are two bots in this channel.
• 1637[16:12:02] <greycat> ,v python3-neovim
• 1638[16:12:04] <judd> Package: python3-neovim on amd64 -- buster: 0.2.6-3; sid: 0.2.6-3
• 1639[16:12:20] <mrig> I have met dpkg already but not judd :D
• 1640[16:12:27] <petn-randall> mrig: python3-neovim is not in backports, you'll have to backport it yourself, along with a few other packages (at least python-pytest and python3-pytest).
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• 1642[16:12:35] <greycat> judd gave us info on backports earlier; check /lastlog judd
• 1643[16:12:39] <petn-randall> dpkg: are you a bot?
• 1644[16:12:39] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
• 1645[16:13:42] <ham5urg> petn-randall: I tried to get some CPU-miner to work. All fine but if I use Debian or Ubuntu younger than 16.04 I get bad performance.
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• 1650[16:15:55] <mrig> petn-randall, right so I need to point apt at another repository, or look to acquire packages from other repos?
• 1651[16:15:59] <petn-randall> ham5urg: And how did you come to the conclusion that microcode is to blame?
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• 1653[16:17:08] <colo-work> Debian doesn't even install/load ucode by default
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• 1655[16:17:29] <colo-work> maybe it's actually kernel-side mitigations against cpu vulnerabilities?
• 1656[16:17:38] <colo-work> (or maybe none of it at all)
• 1657[16:17:46] <ham5urg> petn-randall: after using a newer Debian based system, the machine never got back to the old performance. even with older OS-reinstall
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• 1659[16:18:07] <petn-randall> ham5urg: microcode updates are not persistent, so I'm guessing something else is the problem.
• 1660[16:18:13] <ham5urg> ok
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• 1662[16:18:37] <colo-work> maybe your initial measurements were off?
• 1663[16:18:52] <ham5urg> petn-randall: is it possible that it hast to do with Spectre?
• 1664[16:18:53] <petn-randall> That's also my guess.
• 1665[16:19:19] <petn-randall> ham5urg: Did you update your BIOS between measurements?
• 1666[16:19:24] <BCMM> ham5urg: to further clarify: microcode goes in to volatile memory - every time you reboot the computer, the CPU goes back to using the microcode it got at the factory
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• 1670[16:19:52] <colo-work> (or from the BIOS image)
• 1671[16:19:57] <BCMM> ham5urg: it's quite possible that your old distros have been updated with new microcode, since, as you say, there's been a serious security issue
• 1672[16:20:03] <ham5urg> petn-randall: no, no bios updates at this moment
• 1673[16:20:35] <ham5urg> BCMM: I understand
• 1674[16:21:19] <petn-randall> ham5urg: If you can't go back to the old version with the same performance, your issue is somewhere else.
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• 1676[16:22:15] <petn-randall> ham5urg: If anything, then firmware updates will give you a performance increase vs old firmware. Newer kernels use CPU instructions to protect against CPU vulnerabilites, and fall back to software workarounds if they're not present.
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• 1680[16:23:04] <BCMM> that's assuming the same kernel is used, though
• 1681[16:23:33] <BCMM> it's entirely possible to get performance updates by going back to a kernel without meltdown mitigations, for example
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• 1683[16:23:41] <BCMM> sorry, performance improvements
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• 1686[16:24:03] <petn-randall> yes, sure.
• 1687[16:24:11] <mrig> Would building neovim be an option for me here, would I need to know a lot about the appropriate compiler flags to get a stable program running?
• 1688[16:24:30] <BCMM> ham5urg: it's also somewhat likely that your older distros have been updated with meltdown mitigation, though (if they're still in LTS). major security issues are pretty much the reason new software gets ported to old distros.
• 1689[16:24:32] <petn-randall> But ham5urg claimed that going back to an older OS didn't make the performance go back up again, so I'm thinking there's an error in the setup.
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• 1691[16:25:18] <ham5urg> I try to disable spectre and will report
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• 1693[16:25:39] <ham5urg> disable spectre-patches*
• 1694[16:25:46] <BCMM> heh, it would be kind of nice if one could just disable spectre
• 1695[16:26:00] <mrig> ham5urg, you can just turn off multi threading.
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• 1698[16:26:36] <mrig> will speed up certain programs I gather.
• 1699[16:26:52] <mrig> Slow down others.
• 1700[16:26:59] <ham5urg> mrig: but I want to use 31 of 32 threads
• 1701[16:27:13] <mrig> oh right you are :P
• 1702[16:27:16] <petn-randall> ham5urg: I'd try to do systematic A/B testing to figure out what is wrong. If you jump conclusions and try out single things, it might take you a long time to find the issue.
• 1703[16:27:57] <Tenkawa> a lot of things havent been programmed to take advantage of smp properly no matter what cpu you have
• 1704[16:28:15] <Tenkawa> just by the code itself
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• 1706[16:28:57] <Tenkawa> i fought that a lot as a system integrator back when I use to do that stuff
• 1707[16:29:02] <ham5urg> petn-randall: I booted all my machines via network with same newer OS. Now I can't repeat the measured performance with a older OS.
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• 1710[16:30:03] <petn-randall> ham5urg: Then I'd figure out what changed between the first measurement and the last measurement on the older OS.
• 1711[16:30:20] <ham5urg> I try
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• 1713[16:30:37] <petn-randall> Did you coldboot the machines? Might be that microcode retains between warm reboots.
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• 1715[16:32:17] <ham5urg> Did that too
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• 1717[16:32:45] <ham5urg> It's driving me mad. It's maybe something weird
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• 1727[16:36:28] <JyZyXEL> Setting up mariadb-common (10.1.37-0+deb9u1) ... update-alternatives: error: alternative path /etc/mysql/mariadb.cnf doesn't exist, dpkg: error processing package mariadb-common (--configure):
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• 1729[16:36:51] <petn-randall> !bat
• 1730[16:36:52] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1731[16:37:10] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: Can your provide *all* the info from the factoid? ^^^
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• 1736[16:39:42] <JyZyXEL> petn-randall: sure: replaced-url
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• 1738[16:41:18] <JyZyXEL> looks like it's the security update that was just released for debian stable
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• 1843[17:35:49] <hiroshi> Hello folks is anybody using debian 9.6 + xen + uefi ?
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• 1846[17:36:26] <colo-work> yes, yes, no
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• 1848[17:37:00] <colo-work> but I guess it boils down to having Xen as a UEFI executable
• 1849[17:37:06] <colo-work> (if that's possible, which I guess it is)
• 1850[17:37:13] <hiroshi> I have an issue with xen kernel booting debian uefi
• 1851[17:37:47] <colo-work> I'm not sure/having doubts that Xen would be able to chainload Linux as a UEFI binary for its dom0
• 1852[17:37:55] <colo-work> but I never looked into the matter
• 1853[17:38:01] <colo-work> maybe someone else knows more
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• 1855[17:39:05] <hiroshi> colo-work: well if you look in /boot/xen-4.8-amd64.efi you have an efi file from xen
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• 1857[17:39:16] <hiroshi> but debian doesn't like it at all
• 1858[17:39:43] <hiroshi> I tried this --> replaced-url
• 1859[17:39:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1860[17:40:15] <hiroshi> but I have the same output . when xen kernel is selected the system freeze
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• 1866[17:41:59] <hiroshi> this is xen link about it replaced-url
• 1867[17:42:18] <hiroshi> but there is a typo in --> sudo cp xen/xen/xen.efi /boot/efi/EFI/xen
• 1868[17:42:54] <hiroshi> for debian it is "cd /boot ;; cp initrd.img-4.9.0-8-amd64 vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64 xen-4.8-amd64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/xen"
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• 1875[17:48:10] <babilen> hiroshi: You might want #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net/irc.debian.org
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• 1877[17:49:05] <hiroshi> babilen: thanks so much for that . I will go to cry in #debian-xen xD
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• 1906[18:02:11] <TyrfingMjolnir> Anyone got example code for ncurses, form, and fields?
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• 1908[18:02:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> c/cpp/objc/ or swift of preference
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• 1911[18:04:19] <SerajewelKS> TyrfingMjolnir: the official ncurses website has an examples section
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• 1919[18:07:58] <babilen> hiroshi: It's on a different network, but you'll find the Xen maintainers there. If that doesn't help, you could also write to replaced-url
• 1920[18:08:50] <hiroshi> babilen: yes satly is a different network and I didn't but I will ask there for help. thanks
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• 1925[18:10:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> SerajewelKS: Before I got totally crazy with this; are there other libs I should consider?
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• 1953[18:29:49] <TyrfingMjolnir> SerajewelKS: Thanks
• 1954[18:29:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> Nice example
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• 1961[18:33:06] <SerajewelKS> TyrfingMjolnir: i'm not sure, i think ncurses is the standard for terminal UIs
• 1962[18:33:14] <SerajewelKS> i haven't heard of anything better, anyway
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• 1970[18:38:25] <alyssa> Has anyone else been receiving segfaults after upgrading Firefox to 60.3.0 on aarch64 (ARM) Buster?
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• 1972[18:39:13] <alyssa> gdb shows the backtrace deep into libxul.so, but it's not built with symbols so I don't know more than that (and I don't have the time / horsepower to do a full build)
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• 1986[18:42:28] <SerajewelKS> alyssa: may be worth checking the BTS and report the bug there if there isn't already a bug report
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• 1988[18:42:58] <alyssa> I don't have a browser, remember? :P
• 1989[18:43:10] * alyssa fires up links, the one true firefox replacement
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• 1992[18:46:21] <alyssa> Looks like it might be a duplicate off #911898
• 1993[18:48:06] <alyssa> (That's ppc64le, but aarch64 is also an "obscure" 64-bit LE architecture so)
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• 2017[18:56:47] <alyssa> (...so I guess I just don't have a browser anymore. Price for running buster, I guess)
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• 2023[18:59:41] <jelly> alyssa: look at #debian-arm for arm, and #debian-next channel for buster, both on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net)
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• 2025[19:00:07] <alyssa> jelly: OK, thank you :)
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• 2029[19:03:05] <jelly> surely there are dbgsym packages for firefox built?
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• 2031[19:03:25] <jelly> !dbgsym
• 2032[19:03:26] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
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• 2038[19:05:03] * alyssa finds out
• 2039[19:05:28] <teclo-> au niveau de la conductivité électrique c'est absurde de mettre de l'aluminium à la place du cuivre
• 2040[19:05:37] <jelly> non
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• 2042[19:06:05] <jelly> teclo-: wrong channel I presume
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• 2045[19:06:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> SerajewelKS: replaced-url
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• 2047[19:07:22] <teclo-> jelly: indeed, wrong window, sorry....
• 2048[19:07:38] <teclo-> it's late, and I've been quite busy all day... a bit tired... sorry for the inconvenience
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• 2052[19:08:22] <TyrfingMjolnir> My main concern is in the support for utf-8 or the lack thereof.
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• 2055[19:10:20] <jelly> I see all the accents and I _think_ my client does utf-8
• 2056[19:11:59] <alyssa> jelly: I didn't realise dbgsym packages existed, thank you
• 2057[19:12:00] <alyssa> replaced-url
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• 2060[19:13:37] <jelly> they're a thing since... stretch?
• 2061[19:14:00] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2062[19:14:02] <jelly> because another TB on all the mirrors just fur debug symbols is too much, man
• 2063[19:14:03] <greycat> (yes)
• 2064[19:14:38] <alyssa> Good to know.
• 2065[19:14:42] <alyssa> I'm not exactly a Debianite so
• 2066[19:14:46] <jelly> TIL I can't read C++ stack traces
• 2067[19:15:00] <alyssa> Tis alright, neither can anyone else :)
• 2068[19:15:05] <alyssa> <-- C programmer
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• 2072[19:15:41] <jelly> and who knows, maybe that's rust now
• 2073[19:15:56] * alyssa shrugs
• 2074[19:16:19] <jelly> js::fun_apply # I only understand applying fun was attempted here
• 2075[19:16:23] <annadane> i can't read stack traces period :-)
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• 2077[19:17:05] <jelly> well I can _pretend_ with python, perl, C or sometimes Java.
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• 2079[19:18:04] <alyssa> So uh... is there anyway to downgrade firefox or anything?
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• 2081[19:18:22] <greycat> !snapshot
• 2082[19:18:23] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 2084[19:18:34] <alyssa> Thank you!
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• 2087[19:19:47] <jelly> if you're running testing you're already a Debianite even if you don't know it
• 2088[19:20:03] <alyssa> Begrudgingly, perhaps :P
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• 2091[19:20:42] <jelly> what amount of RAMs does that machine even have to be able to run firefox
• 2092[19:20:55] <alyssa> It's a 4GB machine
• 2093[19:21:01] <jelly> ooh
• 2094[19:21:06] <alyssa> Firefox is a pig on here but Krita is fine, as per usual
• 2095[19:21:25] <jelly> well my phone has 6GB maybe I shouldn't be that surprised
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• 2098[19:22:30] <alyssa> (I run a Chromebook as my daily driver)
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• 2101[19:24:14] <jelly> a brave soul
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• 2103[19:24:58] <guest-12345678> can some let me know where i can find the default kernel config for debian stretch?
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• 2107[19:27:07] <bites> /boot/config-4.9.0-8-amd64 kernel version may vary.
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• 2114[19:28:19] <alyssa> (Am I going to bread up my machine doing this? [Frankendebian etc]?)
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• 2121[19:31:18] <alyssa> `Okay, yeah, downgraded firefox. This is awful. It works, though! Thank you :)
• 2122[19:31:38] <petn-randall> guest-12345678: in your /boot/config-*
• 2123[19:32:14] <guest-12345678> petn-randall: i need to start from scratch
• 2124[19:32:39] <guest-12345678> was able to find "git clone replaced-url
• 2125[19:33:01] <guest-12345678> so will just use the config from there
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• 2194[20:12:15] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys, i have downlaoded the debian dvd to install the system but the installer doesnt find my btrfs subvolume
• 2195[20:12:25] <InvisibleRasta> i cant figure out how to mount it so it finds it
• 2196[20:12:52] <InvisibleRasta> i tried to mmkdir /target and mount it there but when i get back to the gui installer it tells me i still didnt select a partition
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• 2201[20:15:19] <InvisibleRasta> it seems like the installer automatically unmounts the subvol
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• 2208[20:17:04] <BoggGod> Hey, I just installed debian stretch 9.6, and it has issues with the WLAN firmware. Could someone help me please find the relevant files / fix the firmware issue
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• 2210[20:17:19] <BoggGod> dmesg --level=err: replaced-url
• 2211[20:17:29] <BoggGod> the error during installation: replaced-url
• 2212[20:20:07] <greycat> ,file i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin
• 2213[20:20:12] <judd> Search for i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin in stretch/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin
• 2214[20:20:26] <greycat> BoggGod: you'll want to install firmware-misc-nonfree which is in the non-free section
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• 2216[20:20:37] <greycat> there may be more required...
• 2217[20:20:49] <greycat> !ath10k
• 2218[20:20:49] <dpkg> ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required and not currently packaged (bug #724970), ask me about <ath10k firmware>. replaced-url
• 2219[20:20:51] <BoggGod> thanks!
• 2220[20:21:04] <greycat> Ugh, that'll be the harder part, then.
• 2221[20:21:09] <InvisibleRasta> i cant find a official debian page that explains on how to install on a subvolume
• 2222[20:21:22] <InvisibleRasta> i found some random posts on debian that i followed but it was not working
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• 2224[20:22:22] <noln> InvisibleRasta, install to / then btrfs subvolume snapshot and rm -r. I'm not even sure the installer has the concept of a subvolume
• 2225[20:22:44] <InvisibleRasta> it ownt delete my other subvolumes?
• 2226[20:22:48] <InvisibleRasta> wont*
• 2227[20:23:31] <InvisibleRasta> cause all my subvols are in /
• 2228[20:23:36] <InvisibleRasta> so if i isntall debian there.. idk
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• 2230[20:24:14] <noln> there's the choice not to reformat. If you mean to protect from the installer, install in kvm then btrfs send/receive
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• 2233[20:25:24] <InvisibleRasta> is there a guide for this kvm intall?
• 2234[20:25:36] <noln> (I usually truncate a file in tmpfs, kvm net-install, remount -ocompress=zlib while installing and send/receive)
• 2235[20:25:37] <InvisibleRasta> isnt that a virtualmachine?
• 2236[20:25:46] <InvisibleRasta> it would isntall different drivers compared to my laptop
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• 2241[20:26:30] <noln> no guide that I know of. A good opportunity to learn your way around basic btrfs usage, should anything break in the future
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• 2246[20:27:07] <aloo_shu> you should be able to do an install w/o resorting to virtualization, right?
• 2247[20:27:24] <aloo_shu> in general, and my 2ct
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• 2251[20:28:46] <aloo_shu> I feel like adding a little more verbosity & documentation to the installer shell, could go a long way
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• 2254[20:29:33] <InvisibleRasta> how do i mount the root subvolume so that the installer picks it up?
• 2255[20:29:38] <aloo_shu> could even make that an opt-in component to load, installer-docs
• 2256[20:29:54] <BoggGod> alright lets see how it looks after a restart
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• 2260[20:31:54] <Sleaker> hmm okay, so I have my own preseeded stretch install. everything working pretty good for amd64.
• 2261[20:32:18] <Sleaker> I need to get it to install some i386 pacakges during the preseed, but my first attempt seemed to botch it during the install base system.
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• 2264[20:32:48] <Sleaker> not sure if this is a result of how I'm generating the Package list.
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• 2267[20:33:12] <Sleaker> right now I'm just using apt-ftparchive on the whole thing. so my guess is it catalogues the i386 packages in the amd64 one.
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• 2273[20:35:46] <aloo_shu> (I vaguely remember there was a (meta-?)pkg called multiarch, don't know if that's part of base system by default. excuse my vague recital)
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• 2276[20:36:08] <greycat> !multiarch
• 2277[20:36:08] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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• 2279[20:36:34] <mrig> Do you know if the usb DAC on a device like this would work out of the box today? replaced-url
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• 2283[20:38:03] <aloo_shu> ^ Sleaker multi arch howto could be worth a look then, couldn't it?
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• 2285[20:39:20] <aloo_shu> !multiarch howto
• 2286[20:39:20] <dpkg> well, multiarch howto is replaced-url
• 2287[20:39:23] <BoggGod> installing firmware-misc-nonfree doesn't seem to have all the files
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• 2289[20:39:30] <BoggGod> durig installation: replaced-url
• 2290[20:39:38] <BoggGod> dmesg after a restart: replaced-url
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• 2294[20:40:07] <Sleaker> aloo_shu: ehh, that just talks about multi-arch post-install
• 2295[20:40:33] <Sleaker> I'm talking about needs for doing it on a self-built ISO
• 2296[20:40:36] <BoggGod> !ath10k
• 2297[20:40:37] <dpkg> ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required and not currently packaged (bug #724970), ask me about <ath10k firmware>. replaced-url
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• 2302[20:41:58] <Sleaker> I already have a system with the stuff installed after-seeding.
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• 2311[20:45:01] <aloo_shu> Sleaker: wouldn't it still give you an idea of what depends on what, and what needs to be present in what order? I've only used custom seeds once and never ran my own, but I'd expect you could have multiarch pulled earlier. If not, you'll probably want to specify what exactly you want to achieve, or maybe start out with 32bit, then remove & replace with 64+multiarch, if that's feasible
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• 2315[20:46:03] <kale> is there a tool available to show gpu load?
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• 2318[20:47:14] <Sleaker> aloo_shu: no. preseed doesn't do 'ordered install'
• 2319[20:47:20] <kale> i am using nouveau and playing a game in wine
• 2320[20:47:30] <Sleaker> it shotguns everything onto the system after the base is setup
• 2321[20:48:21] <Sleaker> aloo_shu: I don't think you understand debootstrap if you're suggesting installing 32bit base system at all.
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• 2325[20:48:48] <Sleaker> the standard amd64 installer doesn't come with any i386 packages at all to begin with.
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• 2327[20:49:00] <Sleaker> and multi-arch aware is just a preseed switch.
• 2328[20:49:29] <aloo_shu> both synaptic and aptitude have a search function, 'gpu load' would be a good search term, and if you're finding appkets, they have to be for your desktop environment, kale
• 2329[20:50:22] <aloo_shu> Sleaker what do you need the early presence of 32b pkgs for?
• 2330[20:50:24] <kale> aloo_shu: never used those, apt-cache search has no hits for gpu load
• 2331[20:50:39] <Sleaker> aloo_shu: custom installer/packages.
• 2332[20:51:00] <Sleaker> you are correct the alternative is to seed them in d-i late_command
• 2333[20:51:21] <kale> aloo_shu: aptitude sure looks like dselect
• 2334[20:51:22] <Sleaker> but I think my major issue is that my apt-ftparchive only generates a binary-amd64 list.
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• 2336[20:51:37] <Sleaker> and that repo generation also includes i386 packages.
• 2337[20:51:40] <aloo_shu> kale are you searching pkg descriptions, too?
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• 2339[20:51:59] <kale> aloo_shu: i believe apt-cache search does that yes
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• 2342[20:53:04] <Sleaker> just trying to make things work that I shouldn't ever have to get working is all :-/
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• 2344[20:53:10] <Sleaker> lame choices higher up in my company.
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• 2350[20:54:48] <aloo_shu> Sleaker: generating my own repo is also a thing I've only done once, and it was a flat one. I do remember, though, that there were more choices for repo builder tools, and since architecture is in the pkg descriptions, getting them sorted shouldn't be rocket science
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• 2352[20:55:16] <Sleaker> yah, just need it merged into the same tree which I'm not sure apt-ftparchive supports with multiple architectuers
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• 2354[20:56:00] <noln> Sleaker, is chroot/firejail an option? ending up with two stock debian images instead of having to reinvent your own
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• 2358[20:56:35] <Sleaker> noln: hmm?
• 2359[20:56:41] <Sleaker> we use a disc to install the base system.
• 2360[20:56:50] <Sleaker> distributed to customers.
• 2361[20:56:56] <Sleaker> so no?
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• 2363[20:57:21] <aloo_shu> I think I had everything on the pkg list dpkg-repacked and then ran a tool I found in a synaptic search over the package dir, in order to get a list, Sleaker
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• 2365[20:57:34] <Sleaker> aloo_shu: that's what apt-ftparchive does.
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• 2367[20:57:51] <Sleaker> I think I'm much much further on that what you've worked with :-/
• 2368[20:58:10] <aloo_shu> probably
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• 2371[20:58:40] <Sleaker> I'll just have to check into generating an i386 repo and an amd64 one and then copy them into the same tree probably.
• 2372[20:59:13] <kale> Sleaker: are you just installing, or are you doing more than that?
• 2373[20:59:42] <Sleaker> I'm not sure how to define 'more than that'
• 2374[20:59:55] <kale> Sleaker: adding packages after installation
• 2375[20:59:57] <Sleaker> but I'll go with that since it seems likely to fall under that :P
• 2376[21:00:17] <Sleaker> kale: yes.
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• 2380[21:01:33] <kale> ok, earlier, way back on potato, i copied then installation dvd and put it on a local webserver, and then used that as an archive during the installation. i guess today that would mean more than one dvd. would that be a viable option?
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• 2382[21:02:19] <Sleaker> kale: so I already have my own custumized repo that I'm generating.
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• 2384[21:02:41] <Sleaker> we've been doing this since ubuntu 6.04
• 2385[21:02:48] <kale> forgive me, i came in, in the middle of this, what is the original problem?
• 2386[21:02:49] <joepublic> you installed potato from a DVD??? At that time I was dancing for joy over finally getting a CD burner.
• 2387[21:02:52] <Sleaker> hehe :D
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• 2389[21:03:27] <Sleaker> kale: oh, trying to get the system preseeded with some packages, (we're now moving to amd64) and one of the packages I have requiers some multi-arch stuff.
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• 2391[21:03:41] <kale> maybee that was woody... do not remember
• 2392[21:03:58] <Sleaker> and right now I haven't been generating a separate apt archive for the i386 stuff, which is probably where all my problems are originating from
• 2393[21:04:30] <Sleaker> installs fine over network but preseed bombs out cause it tries to pull in the i386 version of a couple packages instead of the amd64 ones
• 2394[21:04:36] <kale> is it a custom application that requires multiarch?
• 2395[21:04:42] <Sleaker> yes
• 2396[21:04:55] <kale> hmm... tough one
• 2397[21:05:00] <Sleaker> and not really custom, just repacked db2 installer
• 2398[21:05:05] <Sleaker> and it needs libpam0g:i386
• 2399[21:05:29] <Sleaker> can probably just get around the issue by either installing it in late_command and/or fixing the repo generation
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• 2401[21:05:57] <kale> i would check the repacked db2 installer, and find out why it depends on i386
• 2402[21:06:13] <Sleaker> because db2 doesn't run without the i386 version of libpam0g....
• 2403[21:06:18] * Sleaker made the repacked installer
• 2404[21:06:51] <kale> ahh, and there is no way to build against amd64?
• 2405[21:06:54] <Sleaker> ibm only provides tar file installers.
• 2406[21:07:06] <Sleaker> for binaries. it's not from source.
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• 2408[21:07:25] <Sleaker> uh the 64bit version requires both the amd64 and i386 versions of libpam0g
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• 2410[21:07:55] <Sleaker> yay proprietary software.
• 2411[21:07:58] <kale> ah, ok, you would need the i386 repo, but you might be lycky its only a few packages.
• 2412[21:08:09] <spackle259> hey guys im trying to figure out how to get tor to work on my linux workstation. I installed the service but it wont start. Any suggestions?
• 2413[21:08:29] <kale> spackle259: check for a logfile
• 2414[21:08:30] <Sleaker> kale: yah I mean I wasn't sure if I had to generate a whole new i386 repo at first since it was working via apt on an installed machine.
• 2415[21:08:37] <Sleaker> but it appears like I'll need to generate an i386 repo now.
• 2416[21:08:51] <Sleaker> otherwise the installer disc has problems.
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• 2419[21:09:38] <Sleaker> cause yah, as soon as I removed the offending i386 packages my preseeded disk works again heh.
• 2420[21:09:45] <spackle259> kale: i m following the log file ..so for example Nov 20 19:58:50 localhost systemd[1]: Failed to start Anonymizing overlay network for TCP.
• 2421[21:10:12] <Sleaker> and yah, I'm pulling individual packages, not mirroring the entire i386 repo
• 2422[21:10:28] <spackle259> kale: am i suppose to edit the torrc file?
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• 2425[21:11:42] <kale> Sleaker: sorry, cannot give you any better advice than this, you could run on i386, but that would mean having the i386 repo anyways, and not utilizing the cpu properly. its the hard way i guess
• 2426[21:12:14] <kale> spackle259: i am sorry that i do not know much about tor. so i cannot help you there.
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• 2428[21:12:45] <Sleaker> err no, can't run an i386 system haha
• 2429[21:12:46] <Akuw> i need to save a log once finish rsync like this >> rsync -avz /path/ user@domain.com:/path/ > test.log
• 2430[21:12:57] <Akuw> that will work?
• 2431[21:13:12] <spackle259> kale: just checked under /usr/local/var/log/tor/ and under /var/log/ the folder is empty :/
• 2432[21:13:30] <spackle259> kale: thats ok..thanks fro trying
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• 2437[21:17:49] <greycat> Akuw: you probably want 2>&1 at the end, to make sure stderr is also saved
• 2438[21:18:06] <Sleaker> yah, thanks for talking it through though kale :D
• 2439[21:18:24] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2440[21:18:41] <Sleaker> greycat: order doesn't matter for redirects
• 2441[21:18:45] <Sleaker> they do the same thing
• 2442[21:19:04] <greycat> You are absolutely wrong.
• 2443[21:19:12] <greycat> Definitively, comprehensively wrong.
• 2444[21:19:25] <Sleaker> greycat: maybe you mistyped 1>&2 in one of those?
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• 2446[21:19:31] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 2449[21:19:53] <joepublic> if only someone could post a link that explains why the order of redirects matters.
• 2450[21:20:19] <Sleaker> greycat: ah my b. apparently are different just never been relevant for anything I've worked in.
• 2451[21:21:07] <Sleaker> greycat: that link you said has a 1. 2. 3. on what the difference is.
• 2452[21:21:27] <joepublic> what a fortuitous coincidence
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• 2454[21:22:05] <Sleaker> lol
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• 2477[21:35:23] <drocsid> Can't join #debian-next but I was trying to install testing on my laptop via dvd-1 on top of usb key. But looks like it fails installing packages. I think it's somewhat confused about the iso being written to the key. I get /usr/sbin/debootstrap" eval" lin 3: synatax error: unexpected "||" expecting ")")
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• 2479[21:35:46] <drocsid> from syslog
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• 2483[21:36:27] <kale> drocsid: install with a media that reflects the release you want installed. that should work
• 2484[21:36:42] <jhutchins_wk> drocsid: You have to be registered and confirmed on oftc.net See their web page for the procedure.
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• 2490[21:40:19] <drocsid> Ahh duh. Not on freenode...
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• 2502[21:45:41] <drocsid> kale: thought I did that. I wrote the iso debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso to the usb key via dd. I think the issue might be debbootstrap doesn't recognize the usb key as a cdrom?
• 2503[21:46:49] <greycat> Or maybe this particular week's -testing- image is broken.
• 2504[21:46:56] <greycat> The testing support channel might know.
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• 2509[21:48:18] <kale> drocsid: i use this: replaced-url
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• 2518[21:50:28] <linuxconformer> how do i get crontab to email me?
• 2519[21:50:45] <greycat> set up local email delivery. usually: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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• 2523[21:51:32] <drocsid> kale: thanks I will try using the alpha3 installer...
• 2524[21:52:19] <linuxconformer> greycat: i don't think dpkg-reconfigure is a package...
• 2525[21:52:49] <greycat> dpkg-reconfigure is a command that you execute as root. exim4-config is the argument you give to it, which happens to be a package name.
• 2526[21:53:31] <linuxconformer> oh ok, always forget i need to use sudo otherwise it says package doesn't exist
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• 2529[21:54:30] <linuxconformer> greycat: which option should i select?
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• 2531[21:54:40] <linuxconformer> mail sent by smarthost?
• 2532[21:54:46] <linuxconformer> or local delivery?
• 2533[21:54:47] <greycat> Do you have a smarthost?
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• 2539[21:57:08] <linuxconformer> greycat: er not sure what that is, this is just a server running on an openstack instance
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• 2542[21:57:28] <greycat> If you don't have a smarthost, then you will probably just have to settle for local delivery.
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• 2546[21:58:56] <linuxconformer> does that mean it will be stored on a file on the server somewhere?
• 2547[21:59:22] <Sleaker> yes it means local to that system
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• 2551[22:01:02] <linuxconformer> hmm not in /var/mail
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• 2584[22:22:05] <InvisibleRasta> guys my screen blinks at boot i am not sure what is causing it
• 2585[22:22:57] <InvisibleRasta> htttp:/paste.debian.net/1052540 this is my dmesg
• 2586[22:23:09] <InvisibleRasta> but i had to boot by appending 2 to the kernel
• 2587[22:23:18] <InvisibleRasta> i got no X sorry
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• 2604[22:31:40] <kalok322> Hi guyts, Someone has links or books for me to learn more about linux distrubution, (non-LFS)?
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• 2629[22:47:16] <jhutchins_wk> linuxconformer: There won't be anything in /var/mail until exim sends stuff.
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• 2632[22:48:07] <hypn0> kalok322: why not search net :-/
• 2633[22:48:14] <greycat> generally you want to test your local email delivery by doing something like "echo hi | mail $LOGNAME"
• 2634[22:48:41] <greycat> make sure the bsd-mailx pkg is installed so you have the basic mail/mailx commands
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• 2637[22:50:10] <BCMM> kalok322: that's probably a bit of a broad question. can you narrow down what you want to learn at all? do you have some goal in mind?
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• 2665[23:03:46] <janisozaur> hey, I noticed some mentions of new debian release going into package freeze soon
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• 2667[23:04:02] <janisozaur> can I request an update of the SDL2 and related packages?
• 2668[23:04:29] <janisozaur> sdl2-image, sdl2-mixer
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• 2670[23:06:00] <SerajewelKS> probably not here, but you could open a wishlist bug on the BTS
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• 2673[23:07:36] <janisozaur> I was trying to do it earlier, but it requires the bugreport tool or otherwise seems very convoluted
• 2674[23:07:49] <themill> You just run 'reportbug'
• 2675[23:08:10] <SerajewelKS> or send an email to submit@bugs.debian.org with the appropriate pseudo-headers
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• 2677[23:08:33] <SerajewelKS> I've often heard that "icy" is the easiest word to spell.
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• 2680[23:08:37] <SerajewelKS> mispaste
• 2681[23:08:41] <janisozaur> …which is what I just said above. Requires `reportbug` or is otherwise very convoluted
• 2682[23:08:42] <SerajewelKS> replaced-url
• 2683[23:08:49] <kalok322> BCMM, as well?
• 2684[23:08:59] <SerajewelKS> sending an email is convoluted? okay.
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• 2686[23:09:18] <janisozaur> sending a very specifically crafted email
• 2687[23:09:27] <greycat> Gasp, it requires two lines.
• 2688[23:09:40] <SerajewelKS> if you read that link and can't figure it out then i'll be surprised
• 2689[23:09:50] <janisozaur> oh, they're not actual headers
• 2690[23:09:53] <janisozaur> derp
• 2691[23:09:56] <SerajewelKS> :)
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• 2693[23:10:33] <janisozaur> ok, let's try it then
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• 2699[23:13:43] <SerajewelKS> BTW it make take up to 15 minutes for the report to get processed
• 2700[23:14:01] <SerajewelKS> if you don't get an error response, just wait
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• 2704[23:16:22] <BCMM> kalok322: i'm sorry, i didn't understand that at all
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• 2712[23:20:34] <kalok322> BCMM, srry.
• 2713[23:21:07] <janisozaur> ok, the email was sent
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• 2723[23:30:57] <janisozaur> woo! it got reported in BTS: replaced-url
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• 2732[23:38:29] <cybercrypto> Is debian project developing/supporting brfs? Or any plan for it?
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