• 0[00:00:39] <jmcnaught> tinga: I just told firefox to open 246 bookmarks in tabs, now it is up to 13 in xlsclients
• 1[00:01:37] <tinga> Note that when I restart a killed firefox and it restores the tabs, it doesn't load the contents in the tabs until the tab is opened, and xlsclients only shows the connections once opened.
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• 3[00:01:58] <tinga> Don't know if it might be the same here. Anyway, it sounded earlier that your case is different.
• 4[00:02:57] <jmcnaught> tinga: same here for restarting firefox, the tabs are not loaded until I go to them. But when I opened the 246 bookmarks as tabs it definitely loaded them all completely
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• 7[00:04:18] <tinga> I'm still reading up on this; the painful part seems to be that the X protocol seems to be tied to it somehow (not clear yet about the details). But people have been complaining and providing hacks since at least 2006 (replaced-url
• 8[00:06:46] <quadrathoch2> sounds to me an issue with debian9, which got fixed in 10 :/ that's at least what I 'saw' while you both talked ;)
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• 12[00:10:34] <tinga> Wow, it *can* be configured now, to some extent: man xorg.conf | grep MaxClients
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• 14[00:12:46] <tinga> greycat, jmcnaught: ^ that may buy me enough room to get along till the upgrade, and, thanks quadrathoch2!, this should be ameliorated by then.
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• 16[00:14:03] <greycat> sounded more like a straw-grasp to me
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• 18[00:14:34] <greycat> I can't think of any obvious reason firefox compiled for buster would work better than the same firefox compiled for stretch, unless the bug is actually in some library
• 19[00:16:13] <quadrathoch2> greycat I was guessing more in the sense of xorg
• 20[00:16:20] <tinga> I find that interesting, too, but, would it be noscript or uMatrix? Could be the point version, although that seems interesting. Could be a Debian custom patch that was added for a later release, though.
• 21[00:16:43] <greycat> why on earth would you think "firefox is using hundreds of connections" is a bug in xorg
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• 23[00:17:26] <tinga> I don't see why it's necessarily a bug in Firefox.
• 24[00:17:57] <tinga> Opening a new connection could make sense, from a "sandboxing" perspective--keep each renderer's state separate.
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• 26[00:18:52] <tinga> I moved to rxvt with one process per terminal for reliability. One crashes, it doesn't take anything else down. Same reason could have been applied by Firefox.
• 27[00:19:11] <tinga> And why not, except that X has a limitation there, "640 KB should be enough for everyone".
• 28[00:19:48] <tinga> Anyway, it could also be something like WebGL: maybe you have that disabled, or it's lazy-loading for you and not for me or something?
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• 56[00:52:18] <tinga> Odd, testing shows that on my X, 179 is the largest value ever returned by xlsclients | wc -l, open one connection more and xlsclients can't open, hence, 180 is the max client number, somehow, not 256.
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• 58[00:52:39] * tinga now going to restart X to see if the config change helps
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• 63[00:54:07] <phogg> tinga: I have noticed different "max" numbers in different situations
• 64[00:54:16] <phogg> all < 256, of course
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• 67[00:58:31] <tinga> Interesting: This *does* report 256 as the max number: lsof -p "$(pidof Xorg)" |grep /tmp/.X11-unix/X0|wc -l
• 68[00:58:43] <tinga> So, xlsclients isn't reporting the same thing.
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• 98[01:35:49] <tinga> Yeah, I've run 512 clients! The xorg.conf setting works!
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• 101[01:37:49] <tinga> Thanks all for helping (even if not directly)!
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• 138[02:32:50] <cskr> When switching users on my laptop, sometimes the user being switched to is unable to use audio and sees "Dummy Output" in sound settings. I also observed that this happens only if the user initially using the laptop was playing audio in Firefox. Quitting Firefox makes audio available to the user logging in later. However, this behaviour is not consistent. Sometimes everything just works. What could be going wrong here?
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• 140[02:35:08] <ratrace> cskr: is that a normal debian installation with systemd, logind and a dm ?
• 141[02:36:20] <cskr> ratrace, yes, I'm running Debian testing with Gnome and GDM. Systemd and logind are also enabled.
• 142[02:36:45] <ratrace> then I'm not sure. also:
• 143[02:36:52] <ratrace> !debian next
• 144[02:37:00] <ratrace> !debian-next
• 145[02:37:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 165[02:55:41] <wr> suddenly sound got off, rebooted Debian, still get no sound, what can check?
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• 174[03:03:12] <n4dir> might sound dumb, but the first thing i'd check is the mixer. You probably did that already
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• 176[03:06:58] <wr> n4dir, tested all i can think of
• 177[03:07:08] <wr> n4dir, on the mixer
• 178[03:07:32] <n4dir> there is #lau and #opensourcemusicians It seems to be that time of the day this channel is not that active
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• 181[03:08:15] <n4dir> good luck this way or the other.
• 182[03:08:27] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 183[03:08:32] <jmcnaught> wr: what program are you using to test sound? which mixer(s) did you check?
• 184[03:08:39] <n4dir> with that script you can gather some info which might help
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• 188[03:10:47] <wr> jmcnaught, pavucontrol
• 189[03:11:57] <n4dir> won't hurt to look at alsamixer too, i guess
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• 191[03:12:45] <n4dir> mainly a possible MM at the bottom
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• 194[03:14:03] <jmcnaught> wr: what do you see in pavucontrol? On the Configuration tab is the correct profile set for your device? On the Playback tab is application playing on the correct device?
• 195[03:14:25] <wr> jmcnaught, i tested all combinations possible on the menus all
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• 197[03:15:20] <wr> n4dir, jmcnaught gonna power off, and be back in a sec, to test all cables on pc
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• 208[03:25:18] <wr> jmcnaught, n4dir the reboot solved it, but lately sound has been acting weird, something is going on :/
• 209[03:26:16] <n4dir> Ah, good then. As said, keep those two channels in mind.
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• 220[03:33:18] <wr> it already started it, now is IEC
• 221[03:34:05] <wr> something is making it trigger
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• 223[03:36:44] <jmcnaught> wr: "journalctl --user -e -u pulseaudio.service"
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• 227[03:38:34] <wr> jmcnaught, i run that on the user or as root?
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• 229[03:40:17] <jmcnaught> wr: as the user
• 230[03:40:54] <wr> jmcnaught, i get a warning "No journal files were opened due to insufficient permissions", need to change some permissions?
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• 233[03:43:06] <jmcnaught> wr: I thought that the user could access their own journal but maybe I was wrong. My user is in the adm and systemd-journal groups and can access the system journal
• 234[03:43:21] <wr> jmcnaught, i was testing more things, and it seems to me that chrome makes something trigger this, using opera i don't see sound changes.
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• 274[04:35:38] <unixbsd> Hello, under Debian, is virtualbox the only way to run ms-office (outlook especially)?
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• 276[04:38:21] <sney> outlook web is probably your best bet. some of the more recent versions have ok ratings on the wine appdb though: replaced-url
• 277[04:39:20] <sney> though not with recent wine, so who knows how relevant any of that is
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• 450[08:55:10] <unixbsd> sney: the problem with wine and running ms-office outlook is that it works only for very old version of outlook, and this is no longer compatible with ms exchange. virtualbox isnt it the only only to run outlook on linux?
• 451[08:55:21] <unixbsd> qemu maybe?
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• 458[09:01:36] <no_gravity> Good Morning
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• 460[09:03:21] <oiaohm> unixbsd: I guess it has to be outlook not something like replaced-url
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• 463[09:04:20] <no_gravity> How do I make it that sshd does not start automatically, but only when I need it?
• 464[09:05:23] <drwiii> sudo systemctl (that's where systemd hides)
• 465[09:05:41] <no_gravity> drwiii: Are you talking to me?
• 466[09:05:49] <drwiii> sure
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• 468[09:06:20] <no_gravity> drwiii: That outputs some kind of list.
• 469[09:06:22] <drwiii> systemctl disable ssh
• 470[09:06:40] <no_gravity> drwiii: And then how do I start it when I need it?
• 471[09:07:14] <drwiii> enable
• 472[09:07:40] <no_gravity> drwiii: Then after enable I need to disable it again?
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• 474[09:07:48] <no_gravity> Cant I start it with service sshd start?
• 475[09:07:58] <drwiii> disable should make it so it doesn't start at reload next time
• 476[09:08:16] <no_gravity> But enable sounds like it reverses disable.
• 477[09:08:26] <drwiii> 'systemctl stop ssh' should stop the running daemon in the current context.
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• 479[09:08:39] <no_gravity> Yes, I know.
• 480[09:08:56] <drwiii> systemctl accepts disable/enable and stop/start.
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• 483[09:10:16] <drwiii> disable/enable modifies how the specified service is treated, such as during a boot
• 484[09:10:50] <no_gravity> So I would run "disable" once and then whenever I need it "start"?
• 485[09:10:58] <drwiii> stop/start acts upon the running status of the daemon while the system is already running
• 486[09:11:08] <drwiii> yeah, that should work.
• 487[09:11:11] <no_gravity> Great, thanks.
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• 489[09:11:51] <drwiii> you should be able to see the status with systemctl status, or a ps -ax
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• 493[09:14:42] <unixbsd> davmail... ok, let's get a try.
• 494[09:16:00] <unixbsd> my god, davmail requires java ... ufff... [3 openjdk-8-jre-headless
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• 618[11:22:40] <kats99> i have installed fonts-arphic-ukai fonts-arphic-uming fonts-ipafont-mincho fonts-ipafont-gothic but still some kanji are not displayed in my browser. what other fonts should I install..
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• 632[11:26:36] <ratrace> kats99: are you after emojis?
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• 636[11:29:02] <kats99> no..the radicals of the kanji don't get displayed but individual kanji do get displayed..not emojis! replaced-url
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• 638[11:30:05] <ratrace> kats99: iirc noto cjk supports all the kanji: replaced-url
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• 640[11:30:10] <ratrace> ,v fonts-noto-cjk
• 641[11:30:11] <judd> Package: fonts-noto-cjk on amd64 -- stretch: 1:1.004+repack2-2; stretch-backports: 1:20170601+repack1-3+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:20170601+repack1-3+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:20190410+repack1-2; sid: 1:20190410+repack1-2
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• 665[11:49:37] <eb0t> hey does anyone know where alsamixer is
• 666[11:49:58] <eb0t> replaced-url
• 667[11:50:02] <eb0t> but that isnt a package
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• 669[11:50:31] <eb0t> ah ok its alsa-utils..not util..they need to change their doc
• 670[11:51:00] <kats99> ratrace: afterinstalling tc, sc, and jk each 124 mb and rebooting the system, the kanji are still not displayed
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• 673[11:51:33] <kats99> *jp
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• 678[12:00:09] <ratrace> eb0t: who is "they"? the link you posted lists alsa-utils (s, plural)
• 679[12:00:28] <ratrace> kats99: sorry, no idea then.
• 680[12:01:08] <eb0t> sorry i didnt see that ..im am actually sysdexic
• 681[12:01:46] <eb0t> i meant sysdlexic
• 682[12:01:54] <ratrace> eb0t: then this is terrible, totally wrong medium for you to use....
• 683[12:02:08] <eb0t> yes but i battle on
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• 685[12:04:00] <quadrathoch2> kats99 is it a browser which is acting up? or another program/
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• 687[12:04:56] <kats99> in firefox yes
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• 689[12:05:21] <quadrathoch2> kats99 did you select the font in settings?
• 690[12:05:51] <quadrathoch2> (as I install the whole fonts-noto package), selecting noto sans in settings fixes the problem
• 691[12:06:20] <quadrathoch2> kats99 I guess you would need to select noto sans cjk or even go into advanced mode and select the right font for cjk
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• 702[12:13:28] <kats99> quadrathoch2: still didn't work replaced-url
• 703[12:15:51] <quadrathoch2> kats99 is the second picture somehow accessible for me (so I can see if it works for me?)
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• 705[12:16:11] <kats99> replaced-url
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• 707[12:17:43] <quadrathoch2> kats99 yep, everything is shown correctly :/
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• 709[12:18:27] <kats99> eh..
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• 713[12:19:36] <quadrathoch2> kats99, as I said, the only 2 things I did, was install fonts-noto and then selecting Noto Sans in the settings of firefox
• 714[12:19:46] <quadrathoch2> without rebooting or anything ;)
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• 716[12:20:32] <kats99> quadrathoch2: Yes i did that too
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• 719[12:31:06] <kats99> it shows up now but in private window..looks like my extensions are messing with the display replaced-url
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• 721[12:32:42] <quadrathoch2> kats99 weird, but progress :)
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• 755[13:17:49] <Lope> ratrace, the journey has continued.
• 756[13:18:53] <Lope> ratrace, as dumb test I tried to just install debian on a simple plain ext4 partition on the surface pro 2 now... It installed, started booting up, showed the splash screen for a bit, then dumped me into an initramfs shell.
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• 758[13:19:51] <Lope> A completely from-scratch installation. no fancy anything. no luks or zfs etc. Like the most bog standard install possible.
• 759[13:20:15] <Lope> So it seems the loss of the EFI is the cause.
• 760[13:20:19] <quadrathoch2> Lope as surface is a ms locked down device, maybe you should look into its quirks best is imho replaced-url
• 761[13:21:14] <Lope> quadrathoch2, thanks, yeah I know. I've had many working installations on it
• 762[13:21:24] <Lope> But yeah, it's not the easiest POS to boot.
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• 770[13:29:52] <Lope> I tried to install ubuntu on it now to see if I'd have any luck with that... but it's hosed. Reinstalling windoze on it to get the microsoft efi blobs "yaaaay!"
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• 778[13:35:59] <ratrace> Lope: waaaaaaitaminute... it used to boot fine before, amirite?
• 779[13:37:04] <ratrace> Lope: and you ...... you overwrote efivars, then?!
• 780[13:37:31] <Lope> ratrace, yeah, exactly
• 781[13:37:42] <Lope> Well I wiped the whole of /boot and /boot/efi
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• 783[13:38:03] <ratrace> efivars are mounted (if at all) under /sys/....somwehere afaik
• 784[13:38:05] <Lope> I'm a total noob when it comes to UEFI/EFI
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• 786[13:38:20] <Lope> So I have no idea what's involved etc
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• 788[13:38:44] <ratrace> and overwriting those, if the buggy EFI BIOS thingy permits it, can brick your device in such a way that it literally becomes paperweight or a nice source of rare earths for recycling
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• 790[13:39:10] <Lope> All I know is there is one magic 200MiB EFI partition that M$ puts there. And if I move it, or do anything to it (it's UUID changes etc) then can't boot etc.
• 791[13:39:29] <Lope> ratrace, lol, wow
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• 793[13:40:04] <Lope> Basically M$ puts about 5 partitions on the device. You can delete them all except the EFI one.
• 794[13:40:11] <ratrace> Lope: yeah the MS thingy probably looking for MS keys, secureboot or whatsitcalled
• 795[13:40:15] <Lope> And you can delete the microsoft directory inside the EFI partition as well
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• 797[13:40:44] <Lope> Just can't change the partition table type, re-create the GPT or mess with the UUID of the magical EFI partition.
• 798[13:40:51] <Lope> Where do efivars live?
• 799[13:41:02] <ratrace> in the bios
• 800[13:41:06] <Lope> I'm going to make a nice backup of the EFI stuff after windows has reinstalled.
• 801[13:41:09] <ratrace> or efi chip thing whatsitcalled
• 802[13:41:23] <Lope> ratrace, so efivars is not a file or whatever in the EFI partition?
• 803[13:41:26] <ratrace> neway... sound slike you should leave the MS EFI partition as is and just add linux stub kernel?
• 804[13:41:32] <ratrace> Lope: no
• 805[13:41:50] <ratrace> they're backed by hardware storage, that's why overwriting them, in some cases, can permanently brick the device
• 806[13:41:58] <Lope> I see
• 807[13:42:10] <Lope> Okayh cringe, I think windows is about to boot hahahaha
• 808[13:42:16] <Lope> Bring on the bloatware
• 809[13:42:31] <ratrace> why do you even have a ms surface. you hate yourself that much? :)
• 810[13:42:34] <Lope> 50,000 virus scanners and extra apps
• 811[13:42:46] <Lope> ratrace, I was delusional at one point.
• 812[13:43:07] <ratrace> you should be able to put a nice clean win10 from the officially downloadable ISO
• 813[13:43:08] <Lope> I retardedly thought it would be cool for traveling.
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• 817[13:45:20] <Lope> This is an official win8 image
• 818[13:45:29] <Lope> special recovery image just for me
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• 820[13:46:37] <Lope> So all my comments about the dangers of rootfs on ZFS can be put on ice.
• 821[13:46:49] <Lope> This device was suffering from microsoftitis.
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• 826[13:52:03] <Lope> One thing that I hate about linux is that there's no standardization with commandline params.
• 827[13:52:23] <Lope> to check version some are --version some are -v some are -version some are version some are v
• 828[13:52:44] <Lope> to set a parameter like --foo some are --foo value some are --foo=value etc
• 829[13:53:26] <Lope> so it's like man this, man that, man the-other-thing
• 830[13:53:48] <Lope> Very patriarchal (jk)
• 831[13:54:11] <quadrathoch2> Lope sadly this happens, when you don't have one central 'head', as people have different opinions what is 'easy'
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• 833[13:54:50] <Lope> quadrathoch2, yeah, it's still infinitely better than communism/dictatorship/marxism/thought-police etc.
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• 835[13:56:48] <Lope> I tried to make a linux installation bootable by UEFI and Legacy
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• 837[13:57:02] <Lope> I took inspiration from Ventoy
• 838[13:57:16] <Lope> Apparently legacy only supports MBR partition tables.
• 839[13:57:24] <Lope> And UEFI can work on either MBR or GPT
• 840[13:57:27] <quadrathoch2> Lope yes :/
• 841[13:57:50] <Lope> So I made a MBR partition table, where first partition was ext4 with /boot etc all inside it, no special mounts for anything.
• 842[13:57:59] <Lope> Then I made a 2nd partition for EFI.
• 843[13:58:06] <Lope> I booted that in a EFI VM, works fine.
• 844[13:58:21] <Lope> Then I tried to boot it in a legacy VM, but it didn't boot
• 845[13:58:47] <Lope> then I ran grub-install on it, and it said it was installing grub install with target x86_64 efi whatever.
• 846[13:59:12] <quadrathoch2> Lope you would need to install grub twice
• 847[13:59:22] <Lope> okay cool. Then I ran `grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/vda` or whatever it was and then it said it was successful.
• 848[13:59:31] <Lope> It still boots with UEFI VM
• 849[13:59:43] <Lope> But the legacy VM just gets a black screen now when it tries to boot.
• 850[14:00:28] <quadrathoch2> did you disable efi?
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• 853[14:00:41] <Lope> I've got 2 separate VM's
• 854[14:01:01] <Lope> Because i'm using virt manager and it won't let you change your selection of legacy/UEFI once you've chosen.
• 855[14:01:15] <Lope> So 2 VM's that both point to the same USB disk device
• 856[14:01:22] <Lope> Obviously I only run one VM at a time.
• 857[14:01:29] <Lope> One VM is legacy, the other is UEFI
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• 860[14:02:36] <Lope> the rootfs is unencrypted ext4
• 861[14:03:22] <quadrathoch2> Lope how can it boot efi if the vm doesn't know about it :/. how do you verify it?
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• 864[14:03:59] <Lope> Brilliant!
• 865[14:04:14] <Lope> I realized that I forgot to run grub-update after grub-installing the i386-pc target
• 866[14:04:19] <Lope> so now it can boot on both VM's
• 867[14:04:27] <Lope> Now the trick is to see if it'll boot in a real machine.
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• 874[14:09:29] <Lope> Amazing, both legacy and UEFI bootloaders work on a real machine.
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• 917[15:03:00] <m1dnight_> I have a debian box running at home and sometimes (since recently) it completely disconnects from the network and automatically reconnects after a while.
• 918[15:03:06] <m1dnight_> Which logs should I consult to see what happened?
• 919[15:04:18] <nkuttler> m1dnight_: what kind of network, and how do you know it disconnects?
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• 926[15:13:29] <m1dnight_> nkuttler:just my LAN. I can't access any webservers running on there, or ping it.
• 927[15:13:36] <m1dnight_> And after, say, 5 minutes or so, it reconnects.
• 928[15:13:50] <m1dnight_> Oh, and no ssh either.
• 929[15:14:05] <m1dnight_> I checked /var/log/syslog but it didn't show anything noteworthy.
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• 933[15:19:49] <abrotman> IP conflict maybe? /var/log/messages
• 934[15:20:06] <HelloShitty> Hello peeps. I need help. I just rebooted my Debian (buster) laptop which had some updates asking to reboot for a few days now. But now I can't get into my login manager. My screen is flickering like 2 times a second but I was able to enter my login details in terminal mode
• 935[15:20:19] <abrotman> m1dnight_: or dmesg
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• 937[15:20:51] <HelloShitty> I see that Xorg failed to start with this message from ~/.local/share/xorg/Xor.0.log
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• 939[15:21:01] <HelloShitty> replaced-url
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• 942[15:21:25] <HelloShitty> Can anyone please give me a help?
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• 944[15:22:12] <HelloShitty> Bad file descriptors KDESETMODE and VT_GETMODE
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• 946[15:26:26] <GNU\colossus> HelloShitty, what GPU/graphics card do you have?
• 947[15:27:06] <HelloShitty> My laptop as an intel integrated one and an Amd hd7940m
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• 949[15:27:21] <HelloShitty> Don't remember the exact model of the ati one
• 950[15:27:35] <HelloShitty> HD7980m I guess
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• 963[15:40:53] <HelloShitty> GNU/Colossus
• 964[15:41:03] <HelloShitty> Any tip or help?
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• 979[15:58:20] <HelloShitty> Anyone can help here please?
• 980[15:58:31] <HelloShitty> I'm uninstalling Xorg right now
• 981[15:58:39] <ryan-c> How can I troubleshoot why one of my /etc/systemd/network/*.link files isn't applied at boot?
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• 992[16:06:22] <HelloShitty> After uninstalling Xorg should I remove any files before reinstalling it back again? Or should I remove any other related software?
• 993[16:06:43] <quadrathoch2> so what's in the file ryan-c
• 994[16:07:06] <HelloShitty> Crap
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• 999[16:09:35] <ryan-c> quadrathoch2: replaced-url
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• 1001[16:10:20] <ryan-c> device is currently being named enx001e101f0000
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• 1004[16:10:48] <ryan-c> infuriatingly, when I run udevadm test /sys/class/net/enx001e101f0000, it gives the correct name under ID_NET_NAME
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• 1006[16:12:32] <quadrathoch2> first of all PermanentMACAddress should be in link
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• 1008[16:13:07] <taman> ryan-c, rerun 'update-initramfs -u' as root?
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• 1012[16:14:35] <taman> Also, try adding an empty '99-default.link' file.
• 1013[16:15:22] <quadrathoch2> ryan-c and it should be MACAddress not permanentmacaddress
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• 1026[16:26:37] <ryan-c> taman: update-initramfs -u didn't work, i'll try macaddress
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• 1061[17:13:01] <ryan-c> taman, quadrathoch2 changing to MACAddress did not work, updatining the initramfs doesn't seem to matter
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• 1064[17:15:32] <quadrathoch2> ryan-c could you give me the new file?
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• 1069[17:21:04] <ryan-c> I *really* want to match this some way other than mac address as well, since the mac address isn't unique
• 1070[17:21:35] <ryan-c> replaced-url
• 1071[17:21:51] <ryan-c> again, i did the initramfs update and rebooted
• 1072[17:22:15] <ryan-c> and udevadm test says it matches the link file
• 1073[17:24:09] <quadrathoch2> so you want to rename the device + give another mac address? ryan-c
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• 1077[17:25:57] <ryan-c> quadrathoch2: I just want to rename it.
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• 1079[17:26:42] <ryan-c> It's not an real ethernet adapter, it's an lte router.
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• 1082[17:29:02] <ryan-c> This is really damned annoying. I knew how to do this in udev, and that was realtively straightforward to debug.
• 1083[17:29:33] <quadrathoch2> I mean this should work :/
• 1084[17:29:37] <ryan-c> I have some other .link files to map ethernet interfaces by path (they're PCI) that works fine.
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• 1086[17:31:03] <ryan-c> ugh, screw it, i guess my interface will be called enx001e101f0000 now.
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• 1124[17:58:34] <temuccio> Hi all...I have upgraded debian 9 to debian 10....
• 1125[17:59:09] <temuccio> Al works, except iptables into fail2ban
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• 1128[17:59:57] <temuccio> for example, this command doesn't works
• 1129[18:00:10] <temuccio> iptables -w -D f2b-sshd -s 182.61.42.74 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
• 1130[18:00:38] <temuccio> this is the error: iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?).
• 1131[18:01:24] <temuccio> do you can help me?
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• 1139[18:04:20] <choice> I copied my public key to ~/.ssh/known_hosts on another machine, but ssh still asks me for a password.
• 1140[18:04:25] <choice> What should I do?
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• 1143[18:05:05] <quadrathoch2> choice the file is authorized_keys
• 1144[18:05:36] <choice> quadrathoch2: Oh, that was just a typo here. I copied it into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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• 1148[18:08:22] <quadrathoch2> choice right user?
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• 1152[18:08:32] <choice> quadrathoch2: Yes. root.
• 1153[18:09:14] <quadrathoch2> hm
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• 1157[18:10:34] <choice> Maybe I have to put this into /etc/ssh/sshd_config: PubkeyAuthentification yes
• 1158[18:11:07] <choice> Hmm.. no, it still asks me for a password.
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• 1162[18:12:53] <choice> I wonder if my client decides to use a password or the server.
• 1163[18:13:54] <gordonfish> choice: Yes many clients have the option of setting what to try and in what order.
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• 1165[18:14:23] <choice> gordonfish: I am using openssh I think.
• 1166[18:14:36] <quadrathoch2> choice maybe disable password auth?
• 1167[18:14:42] <quadrathoch2> if it's possible for you
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• 1170[18:14:53] <gordonfish> You could also add ``PasswordAuthentication no`` to that config (either in the main section or in a ``Match user ...`` section.)
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• 1174[18:15:35] <choice> gordonfish: If I am locked out then I am pretty fucked.
• 1175[18:15:36] <gordonfish> *User
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• 1177[18:16:16] <gordonfish> Then I'd test with a Match User section for a specific user, leaving ``PasswordAuthentication yes`` globally
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• 1183[18:19:34] <gordonfish> choice: If you have an identify file (private key) in your local ~/.ssh and your public key is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for the desired user on the server (and permissions are set correctly) then it should try that before password
• 1184[18:19:49] <gordonfish> When using regular openssh's ssh program
• 1185[18:20:57] <choice> gordonfish: Well.. it asks me for a password.
• 1186[18:21:15] <gordonfish> Did you check the logs on the server?
• 1187[18:21:20] <choice> gordonfish: Which log?
• 1188[18:21:41] <gordonfish> I'll normally say if the perms are wrong or other problem
• 1189[18:22:07] <gordonfish> Should be /var/log/auth.log
• 1190[18:22:20] <choice> I think I copied the wrong key ...
• 1191[18:22:26] <gordonfish> (Perhaps also /var/log/messages)
• 1192[18:22:34] <gordonfish> choice: That would do it
• 1193[18:23:10] <choice> Yay, that was it! I am officially an idiot!
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• 1196[18:23:43] <gordonfish> So it's working now?
• 1197[18:23:54] <choice> Yup
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• 1200[18:25:12] <choice> Thanks for all the input!
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• 1284[19:45:54] <temuccio> after upgrade from 9 to 10 fail2ban has this error:
• 1285[19:45:55] <temuccio> replaced-url
• 1286[19:46:01] <temuccio> Do you can help me?
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• 1288[19:49:17] <jelly> temuccio, does running the iptables command manually fails as well? Can you pastebin the output of "iptables-save" ?
• 1289[19:49:47] <sney> temuccio: debian 10 introduced nftables as an iptables replacement. there are some compatibility tools to ease the transition, you will probably just need to adjust your fail2ban config a little.
• 1290[19:50:08] <sney> temuccio: see /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian for more information.
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• 1297[19:56:49] <HelloShitty> Well, I can't get any help for my Xorg problem
• 1298[19:56:59] <HelloShitty> So I'll try to reinstall Debian again
• 1299[19:57:12] <temuccio> sney, I have moved the /etc/fail2ban from another debian 10
• 1300[19:57:19] <temuccio> after the upgrade
• 1301[19:57:23] <HelloShitty> I have already downloaded an iso image from Debian site
• 1302[19:57:56] <HelloShitty> Now, how do I make this iso image bootable from an usb drive?
• 1303[19:58:13] <jelly> !usb install
• 1304[19:58:13] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
• 1305[19:58:14] <temuccio> jelly, this is pastebin of iptables-save
• 1306[19:58:15] <temuccio> replaced-url
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• 1308[19:59:20] <jelly> looks fine and fail2ban chains are in place
• 1309[19:59:24] <HelloShitty> jelly I am already in that first link
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• 1311[19:59:44] <HelloShitty> And it says that simply copying the iso image is the way to go
• 1312[19:59:48] <temuccio> jelly, and it is the command manually: replaced-url
• 1313[19:59:59] <HelloShitty> Is it true? Copy an iso file and it will boot?
• 1314[20:00:06] <sney> HelloShitty: yep, copy the iso, run 'sync' and that's it
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• 1316[20:00:31] <HelloShitty> Ok
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• 1318[20:00:40] <jelly> HelloShitty, why are you asking whether official documentation is "true"
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• 1322[20:01:44] <HelloShitty> jelly, is it a problem if this usb drive already have partitions in it?
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• 1324[20:01:57] <HelloShitty> Do I need to wipe the USB drive first?
• 1325[20:02:08] <sney> HelloShitty: writing the iso to the usb drive will wipe it for you
• 1326[20:02:29] <HelloShitty> Ok thanks
• 1327[20:02:44] <HelloShitty> My screen keeps flickering
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• 1330[20:02:59] <HelloShitty> Xorg seems not to be able to connect to server
• 1331[20:03:16] <HelloShitty> And my ssd seems to be failing
• 1332[20:03:35] <HelloShitty> I'll need to see how to check the ssd for problems
• 1333[20:04:23] <sney> That does smell like hardware problems.
• 1334[20:04:29] <jelly> temuccio, that -j REJECT isn't anything unusual. This is Debian 10? Are you running the default kernel? uname -a
• 1335[20:04:56] <HelloShitty> sney yes maybe
• 1336[20:05:22] <HelloShitty> I tried to copy some files to a secondary hd and I got some I/O errors
• 1337[20:05:26] <sney> although, Xorg "cannot connect to server" can mean 100s of things, and the actual error is usually much earlier in the log
• 1338[20:06:13] <HelloShitty> Also when I reboot, I see a couple of messages related to I/O errors
• 1339[20:06:38] <HelloShitty> Yeah I think there was some bad file descriptor problems
• 1340[20:06:40] <sney> definitely suspect that hard drive and/or motherboard
• 1341[20:07:07] <HelloShitty> And also something I seen in some log saying that the server could not connect to socket or something like that
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• 1343[20:07:38] <temuccio> jelly, root@vps345209:~# uname -aLinux vps345209.ovh.net 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-2 (2017-12-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1346[20:08:44] <sney> wow, 3.16, that's what, jessie?
• 1347[20:09:01] <another> ,kernel
• 1348[20:09:02] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.9.0-rc8-686-pae (5.9~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-3-686-pae (5.9.9-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-2-686-pae (5.9.6-1); buster-backports: 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.8.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-12-686-pae (4.19.152-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.19.152-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 1349[20:09:03] <temuccio> jelly, I suppose I have another problem (not problem of fail2ban). I have try to start ufw, and I have execute /usr/share/ufw/check-requirements
• 1350[20:09:04] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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• 1352[20:10:06] <HelloShitty> jelly, before I reinstall this, how can I check my ssd drive for bad sectors and other problems?
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• 1354[20:10:29] <HelloShitty> does smartmontools check and fixes if possible?
• 1355[20:10:46] <sney> HelloShitty: better to test it offline, get a bootable rescue img that has hard drive diag tools
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• 1358[20:11:14] <temuccio> but I have upgrate to buster
• 1359[20:11:50] <sney> temuccio: your kernel isn't upgraded. are you missing the 'linux-image-amd64' package?
• 1360[20:11:54] <temuccio> replaced-url
• 1361[20:12:41] <temuccio> replaced-url
• 1362[20:12:47] <temuccio> there is a boot problem?
• 1363[20:13:16] <sney> could be, or the hypervisor isn't the kind that lets you change the running kernel
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• 1365[20:13:35] <jelly> temuccio, is there a 4.19 kernel in /boot ?
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• 1367[20:15:00] <smurfke> Question: on Debian 8 I automount a nfs share via /etc/fstab. I do the same in Debian 10. Both work fine.
• 1368[20:15:07] <smurfke> However on Debian 8 I used /etc/rc.local to automatically issue the 'bindfs' command after boot to remap the automounted /etc/fstab entry <-- This is working great. I did the same on Debian 10, and this is the problem: 'bindfs' command gets issued BEFORE the automounted /etc/fstab is executed. How can I make sure that the 'bindfs' command is executed after the nfs network /etc/fstab entry is
• 1369[20:15:07] <smurfke> executed?
• 1370[20:15:49] <sney> smurfke: a systemd mount would be perfect for that, it can depend on other systemd services
• 1371[20:16:00] <HelloShitty> sney I have one usb drive with that rescue thing
• 1372[20:17:04] <smurfke> sney, thank you. I am already using systemd to do this I believe. I used this method: replaced-url
• 1373[20:17:52] <smurfke> Would I need to edit something in the Unit or Service section of that .ini file?
• 1374[20:17:54] <sney> smurfke: rc.local is considered a workaround, for when there is no other option. it's not really reliable either. use a systemd unit instead.
• 1375[20:18:03] <HelloShitty> Let me see what can I do with it
• 1376[20:18:18] <smurfke> sney: okay, I'll read myself through a systemd unit tutorial in that case :)
• 1377[20:18:19] <smurfke> thanks!
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• 1380[20:19:04] <jelly> HelloShitty, you can run a smart long test
• 1381[20:19:10] <sney> smurfke: here's one I have for connecting a media server vm to a nas: replaced-url
• 1382[20:19:10] <temuccio> jelly, yes there is
• 1383[20:19:11] <temuccio> replaced-url
• 1384[20:19:45] <temuccio> But I suppose that the default boot start 3.16
• 1385[20:19:48] <jelly> temuccio, then something's gone wrong with your boot process. What kind of vitrualization is used?
• 1386[20:20:32] <HelloShitty> jelly I thought I had one usb with those tools but I was wrong
• 1387[20:20:44] <HelloShitty> Which tool you suggest?
• 1388[20:20:55] <jelly> temuccio, if you don't know, you can eg. install and run "imvirt" or "virt-what"
• 1389[20:20:56] <smurfke> sney: thanks! You are positive that I can use the bindfs like so in that Unit file right: bindfs --mirror-only=jan /mnt/storage /home/jan/storage
• 1390[20:21:10] <smurfke> (Need to change permissions that way you see)
• 1391[20:21:41] <jelly> HelloShitty, smartctl
• 1392[20:21:58] <sney> smurfke: anything you can run normally, you can also call from a systemd unit. you may need to tinker with it, I haven't used bindfs so I can't tell you exactly what you would need to do, but there are probably examples online somewhere
• 1393[20:22:21] <HelloShitty> yes, but I need some live OS, no?
• 1394[20:22:31] <smurfke> sounds great, as long as it can depend on the /etc/fstab nfs mount beinig finished first, it will do :)
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• 1399[20:26:42] <temuccio> jelly, imvirt return KVM
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• 1408[20:38:19] <jelly> temuccio, no idea then. Ask your provider. If it were an older Xen, some of those used to read grub-legacy config file directly from the disk, when the VM was power-cycled.
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• 1411[20:38:24] <temuccio> jelly, I need to update /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf
• 1412[20:38:31] <temuccio> to load new linux
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• 1414[20:38:33] <temuccio> I try it
• 1415[20:39:05] <jelly> KVM ought to be able to use any decent boot loader, no need for extlinux if you can just grub-pc
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• 1417[20:44:13] <temuccio> jelly, but at boot a don't have grup bootloader
• 1418[20:45:25] <temuccio> I try to install grub
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• 1431[21:09:43] <jelly> temuccio, what does your "lsblk" look like?
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• 1433[21:10:22] <jelly> is there a good reason why you or your provider chose extlinux
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• 1436[21:11:08] <jelly> if not, and if the machine boots legacy mode, install grub-pc and when the package asks, put it onto the first disk
• 1437[21:12:01] <sney> ovh has a vnc console for controlling the system before the OS boots, too. I don't remember offhand if my instance uses grub, but whatever bootloader it is, if there's a menu it should be accessible that way
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• 1443[21:20:19] <smurfke> Question: My Systemd Unit runs succesfully when run via 'systemctl start home-jan-storage.mount'. To have it start at boot I ran the command 'systemctl enable home-jan-storage.mount'.
• 1444[21:20:19] <smurfke> However it does not start autoamtically during boot. Checking its status returns me the following: Active: inactive (dead)
• 1445[21:20:58] <smurfke> also the following is being displayed: Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/home-jan-storage.mount; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
• 1446[21:21:06] <temuccio> jelly, i have boot in rescue mode ad I have 4.19 kernel
• 1447[21:21:14] <smurfke> What could be wrong?
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• 1449[21:23:19] <sney> smurfke: anything in 'journalctl -u home-jan-storage'?
• 1450[21:23:42] <smurfke> nothing
• 1451[21:23:43] <jmcnaught> smurfke: why not use a line in /etc/fstab?
• 1452[21:24:09] <smurfke> jmcgnh: because it is an fsbind command that needs to be ran after the nfs mount line in my /etc/fstab file
• 1453[21:24:26] <smurfke> bindfs I meant to say*
• 1454[21:25:11] <sney> maybe it's still running too early, and you need to put something else in After= in the unit file
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• 1456[21:26:17] <sney> nfs in particular can be funny about timeouts and waiting
• 1457[21:26:38] <smurfke> sney: the thing is I already tried putting the actual Systemd unit that probably handles the specific nfs mount as follows: After=mnt-storage.mount
• 1458[21:27:03] <jelly> temuccio, why rescue mode
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• 1479[21:52:33] <temuccio> jelly, for install grub
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• 1483[21:53:50] <qaluH> hello, does someone can help me with soundcards?
• 1484[21:53:59] <sney> !anyone
• 1485[21:53:59] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 1486[21:55:45] <qaluH> sry, but i would need someone who can tell me more baout how to install drivers for a specific harddrive. not just a simple "do thi" -> "thank you"
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• 1488[21:56:27] <sney> then how about you describe your situation, and if someone has the right expertise, then they can help you
• 1489[21:56:46] <sney> nobody is going to volunteer based on 0 information from you
• 1490[21:57:02] <smurfke> I am starting to believe there is something wrong with my vmware esxi: sometimes the NFS mounts work, sometimes they don't after reboot. Got this out of the journalctl now: debian mount[294]: mount.nfs: Network is unreachable
• 1491[21:57:31] <smurfke> this is the /etc/fstab line. Which I guess I cannot influence?
• 1492[21:57:38] <sney> smurfke: sounds like some kind of a race condition, probably.
• 1493[21:57:58] <smurfke> sney: yeah, I will try another virtual NIC for this VM Guest
• 1494[21:58:19] <sney> I haven't used esxi, are the guests communicating with each other over some kind of a vswitch, or actual physical ethernet?
• 1495[21:58:47] <smurfke> via a vswitch
• 1496[21:58:58] <smurfke> although that's what I think
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• 1498[21:59:51] <smurfke> but could also be physical ethernet as I never configured a vswitch
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• 1501[22:00:26] <smurfke> however the NFS server on the VM has a different type of virtual NIC configured than the problematic Debian 10 VM
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• 1503[22:00:45] <smurfke> so I'm going to give the debian 10 VM the same virtual NIC as the NFS server VM. Let's see if that works :)
• 1504[22:00:49] <smurfke> thanks for your guidance already!
• 1505[22:00:51] <sney> though if you're rebooting often enough for this to be a concern, you may want to swap nfs for cifs. samba is much more tolerant to being turned off and then on again
• 1506[22:00:53] <sney> np
• 1507[22:01:17] <sney> and yes, virtio > e1000
• 1508[22:01:45] <smurfke> nfs server vm = e1000, the debian 10 vm = vmxnet3
• 1509[22:02:16] <smurfke> alrighty cifs could work too as I am running a FreeNAS. I can just turn it on instead of NFS
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• 1525[22:23:22] <quadrathoch2> smurfke did you enable that the service only runs after the network is online?
• 1526[22:23:50] <smurfke> quadrathoch2: I believe so. Did it as follows:
• 1527[22:23:52] <smurfke> Require=network-online.target
• 1528[22:23:52] <smurfke> After=network.target
• 1529[22:24:26] <quadrathoch2> I would remove the second part, as the first one already needs network.target
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• 1531[22:24:39] <smurfke> okay thanks
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• 1534[22:25:25] <smurfke> however, that specific unit needs to run after the nfs line in my /etc/fstab file has been mounted
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• 1536[22:25:39] <qaluH> sry guys, im just too lazy to go in contact with you. will turning back sometime :)) be prepared <3
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• 1538[22:26:30] <quadrathoch2> smurfke did you post the line somewhere? can't find it
• 1539[22:27:10] <smurfke> the line itself is not the problem I believe. It's this one: 192.168.3.178:/mnt/storage /mnt/storage nfs rw,addr=192.168.3.178 0 0
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• 1541[22:27:29] <L0aD1nG> i would like to ask... is this the correct sources.list for debian 10?? replaced-url
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• 1543[22:28:04] <qaluH> y
• 1544[22:28:13] <quadrathoch2> smurfke, i would add that it needs network online to connect ;)
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• 1546[22:28:16] <qaluH> why do u have to change it?
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• 1548[22:28:29] <L0aD1nG> i ve been upgrading from debian 7 here
• 1549[22:28:45] <qaluH> do need ur applications?
• 1550[22:28:46] <smurfke> quadrathoch2: ha that sounds logical! However where can I specify this for the /etc/fstab?
• 1551[22:28:47] <L0aD1nG> and i had kind of different source.list, i just noticed it
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• 1553[22:29:03] <qaluH> if not, or u can backup: replaced-url
• 1554[22:29:24] <qaluH> its done in 30 minutes and u have no worries
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• 1556[22:30:49] <qaluH> ups
• 1557[22:31:33] <quadrathoch2> smurfke it's always something I have to look for, its some random x-systemd.network-online.target or something like that, am looking right now
• 1558[22:31:49] <smurfke> thanks, trying to search it too :)
• 1559[22:32:07] <smurfke> maybe mnt-storage.mount in my case
• 1560[22:32:31] <quadrathoch2> smurfke x-systemd.after=network-online.target
• 1561[22:32:52] <smurfke> okay great thanks! will look into that file
• 1562[22:32:55] <quadrathoch2> so almost xD
• 1563[22:33:07] <quadrathoch2> it's an option for /etc/fstab smurfke
• 1564[22:33:15] <smurfke> just realized -_-
• 1565[22:33:17] <smurfke> haha
• 1566[22:33:18] <smurfke> thanks man
• 1567[22:33:51] <qaluH> ^^
• 1568[22:34:58] <temuccio> jelly, with grub2 the system load last kernel and iptables works fine
• 1569[22:35:00] <temuccio> thanks
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• 1574[22:37:55] <qaluH> okay, guy, i need help with my soundcard (focusrite scarlett 18i8), i have alsa isntalled, but if ipick the card, there are no setting avaliabe. What cause this? what do i have to do?
• 1575[22:38:08] <qaluH> ig u need scrrens, just ask
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• 1578[22:41:05] <L0aD1nG> i just edited the sources.list according to that replaced-url
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• 1581[22:42:08] <qaluH> # deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 3.0 (beowulf) amd64 - netinstall 20200526]/ beowulf contrib main non-free
• 1582[22:42:08] <qaluH> #deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 3.0 (beowulf) amd64 - netinstall 20200526]/ beowulf contrib main non-free
• 1583[22:42:09] <qaluH> deb replaced-url
• 1584[22:42:09] <qaluH> deb-src replaced-url
• 1585[22:42:09] <qaluH> deb replaced-url
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• 1591[22:46:18] <alex11> qaluH, devuan is not debian
• 1592[22:46:22] <alex11> i would ask their support instead
• 1593[22:46:40] <Celmor[m]> during deboot-strapping debian, when would /etc/default/grub be generated? it seems to be missing withing my chroot
• 1594[22:46:57] <another> when you install grub
• 1595[22:47:24] <another> note that grub is not part of the default list for debootstrap
• 1596[22:47:27] <Celmor[m]> I haven't yet but am being told to edit this file
• 1597[22:47:30] <another> neither is the kernel
• 1598[22:47:41] <Celmor[m]> well, I've installed the package but not the grub boot loader into the boot partition
• 1599[22:48:20] <Celmor[m]> I did run "apt install --yes grub-efi-amd64 shim-signed"
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• 1601[22:49:16] <Celmor[m]> nvm, my other ssh session was outside the chroot. my mistake
• 1602[22:49:21] <qaluH> sudo apt-get --reinstall install grub-common grub-efi-amd64 os-prober
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• 1611[22:55:01] <TeamColtra> Hey everyone, I am trying to get my files out of a qcow2 file. It used to have a full backup of my server, but now mounting it makes it seem like it's empty... results: replaced-url
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• 1616[22:57:38] <sney> TeamColtra: that does look like an empty image. maybe unmount it and run a fsck on /dev/nbd0p1?
• 1617[22:58:09] <qaluH> what does fsck?
• 1618[22:58:25] <sney> filesystem check
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• 1620[22:59:13] <TeamColtra> sney replaced-url
• 1621[22:59:28] <TeamColtra> "You must have r/w access to the filesystem or be root"
• 1622[22:59:32] <TeamColtra> (I am root)
• 1623[22:59:59] <sney> your earlier paste says you ran qemu-nbd with --read-only
• 1624[23:00:33] <TeamColtra> Remove the --read-only and do it again?
• 1625[23:00:44] <sney> read the instructions, I don't know qemu-nbd
• 1626[23:01:25] <sney> what partitions are created when you run qemu-nbd? I see you're mounting p1, are there any others?
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• 1628[23:02:06] <TeamColtra> Read-only creates a read-only drive of the contents so that you don't mess things up. There are 2 others. the 1GB "Extended" and 1GB "SWAP"
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• 1630[23:02:41] <sney> if you're afraid of messing things up, make a copy first.
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• 1636[23:06:51] <sney> it is weird that a backup would have a mountable, but empty, filesystem. fsck should be able to find what's actually there, if there is anything.
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• 1639[23:07:43] <qaluH> is .iso a filesystem?
• 1640[23:07:59] <qaluH> i owuld say u have to mount, and thgen to check?
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• 1644[23:09:46] <sney> linux fsck utilities can check filesystems offline, that is, directly on the partition. /dev/sdaX or whatever
• 1645[23:09:58] <TeamColtra> I'll make a backup (not easy with a 750GB file) but qcow2 files are basically the full image from a VM
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• 1654[23:17:35] <jbox> how can I change which editor is used for `apt edit-sources`? It told me the first time I used the command, but I've forgotten now and can't find it in the man page.
• 1655[23:17:44] <TeamColtra> I guess my question is the qcow2 file is ~750GB large. If it doesn't actually have my data in it... how is it so big?
• 1656[23:18:54] <sney> TeamColtra: the idea behind running fsck is that maybe some filesystem metadata got screwed up, but your data is actually there. (you may want to look at qemu-nbd's man page as well, to see if they have some internal mechanism for this)
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• 1658[23:22:09] <Brigo> jbox, dpkg-reconfigure edit-sources
• 1659[23:22:20] <jbox> ah, thank you
• 1660[23:22:28] <jbox> I still don't know how to use dpkg haha
• 1661[23:23:04] <jbox> I'm new to Debian. I'm an arch user and decided to check out debian via virt-manager/qemu/kvm
• 1662[23:23:29] <Brigo> jbox, it's a start :)
• 1663[23:23:56] <sney> !refcard
• 1664[23:23:56] <dpkg> A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at replaced-url
• 1665[23:24:14] <sney> ^ refcard is indispensable. I've been a debian user for years and I still look at it sometimes.
• 1666[23:24:17] <jbox> I'm liking it so far :) I'm going to switch my sources to point to sid since I prefer a more "rolling" style for my personal machine.
• 1667[23:24:29] <jbox> Don't tell the Arch people but I like APT much better than pacman
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• 1670[23:24:50] <jbox> sney: thank you! This is just what I needed!
• 1671[23:25:22] <sney> np, it's pretty great
• 1672[23:27:29] <jbox> also, have a look at the `cheat` cli program for easy cheatsheets. It lets you pull up cheatsheets from the community database (it gets installed onto your system iirc) and/or from your own local cheat pages that you create ($XDG_DATA_HOME/cheat/ for me). They're just text files. Here's the repo: replaced-url
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• 1674[23:28:43] <Brigo> sney, well, that network part is wrong, you have to use ifup device, no ip link set device, afaik
• 1675[23:29:05] <sney> that's neat, I wonder if it has stuff for the commands with 900-line help output
• 1676[23:29:34] <sney> Brigo: indeed, that's a bug. I never noticed.
• 1677[23:30:34] <jbox> there's also tldr, which serves a slightly different use-case (tldr manpages vs cheatsheets): replaced-url
• 1678[23:31:18] <jbox> I find cheat to be more flexible and more what I'm looking for, so if you find tldr more interesting please share your perspective with me
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• 1685[23:38:11] <jbox> Brigo: I can't dpkg-reconfigure edit-sources because edit-sources isn't a package. I'm talking about apt edit-sources
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• 1688[23:40:25] <sney> jbox: looks like it's handled by sensible-utils, maybe try dpkg-reconfigure on that
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• 1691[23:41:17] <jmcnaught> sensible-utils has a select-editor(1) command
• 1692[23:41:23] <Brigo> jbox, then maybe you should reconfigure apt
• 1693[23:41:37] <qaluH> jbox: <editor> /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1694[23:42:03] <qaluH> thats the only u should go
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• 1697[23:42:21] <sney> qaluH: why?
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• 1699[23:42:47] <Brigo> jbox, anyway it is not going to work, i just checked.
• 1700[23:42:50] <qaluH> sney: why not? its easy, and u kinow where ur file exists
• 1701[23:43:18] <qaluH> will provide better understandig of ur system
• 1702[23:43:18] <jbox> qaluH: I've been doing <editor> /etc/apt/sources.list because apt sources-list just uses nano instead of my preferred editor
• 1703[23:43:34] <sney> qaluH: so no reason, really. just preference.
• 1704[23:43:39] <qaluH> yeah, micro should do it too
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• 1706[23:44:19] <sney> apt includes the edit-sources command and you can tab complete it. try apt e<tab>
• 1707[23:44:25] <JerryS> Hi, all. I have a new Lenovo E15 laptop. I can't find the right driver for the WiFi card - an Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201 160 Mhz. Any ideas which driver I need for it?
• 1708[23:44:28] <jbox> man apt says edit-sources "provides basic sanity checks"
• 1709[23:44:45] <jbox> sorry, I meant apt edit-sources, not apt sources-list
• 1710[23:45:04] <qaluH> what?
• 1711[23:45:27] <sney> JerryS: intel wifi adapters are all supported by the iwlwifi driver, but newer hardware probably needs a newer module and firmware blobs. try with a kernel and firmware-iwlwifi from buster-backports.
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• 1713[23:45:32] <qaluH> whats your goal? do u want to change the sources lists but not with nano?
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• 1715[23:46:32] <sney> JerryS: to be clear, the iwlwifi is included with the linux kernel, so you don't need to download that part separately.
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• 1717[23:46:34] <jbox> I want apt edit-sources to use a different editor.
• 1718[23:46:38] <JerryS> sney I've already loaded that package with no luck. I'll take a look at buster-backports when I can get on the LAN again. Thanks.
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• 1721[23:46:56] <jmcnaught> jbox: did you try the select-editor command?
• 1722[23:47:08] <JerryS> sney ) mean I downloaded the firmware package.
• 1723[23:47:41] <sney> JerryS: understood. the 5.8 kernel (and updated firmware) from buster-backports will probably get you up and running.
• 1724[23:48:21] <JerryS> sney OK, thanks much.
• 1725[23:49:31] <qaluH> jobx: just forget about edit-sources. its useless
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• 1727[23:49:53] <jbox> jmcnaught: sorry, I missed your message! select-editor was what I was looking for. Thank you!
• 1728[23:49:59] <jbox> can I...
• 1729[23:50:01] <jbox> jmcnaught++
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• 1731[23:50:08] <sney> qaluH: again, that's just your preference. please learn the difference between opinion and technical fact.
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• 1739[23:54:43] <qaluH> sney: sorry, if you see this like this. but this is exactly what im trying to tell. if someone ask a question like that, i will tell him that this has not be the only way to change smth. if he tole me that he want to do this in a apt way. let him tell and dont limit my intelligence
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• 1741[23:57:17] <jbox> if I may ask an off-topic question here -- are the concept of "likes" a good thing? If I were to make a bot that tracks user reputation (e.g. jmcnaught++ and jmcnaught--), would that be a useful or harmful thing? There are negative implications for implementing, say, the Twitter like button. Would such a bot be useful or would it have more negative implications and not be worth it? Are "likes" or
• 1742[23:57:19] <jbox> "karma" in general a bad idea?
• 1743[23:59:52] <qaluH> the rating of content is very diffucult issue. Depends on whats makes sense to you. You should try whats work best for you. For hypes, (not telling if content has quality) klicks and likes could be a good hint
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