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1[00:01:35] <freefolk> but there is no obvious firmware for it
in firmware-ralink (= firmware-misc-nonfree), which the debian wiki
article above says is required.
130[02:33:30] <ozzloy> how do i add a wifi to the list of known
wifis? i'm setting up a video chat laptop for my grampa. i know
is AP and WPA password, but not how to add it when i'm not
currently able to connect to it.
131[02:33:56] <ozzloy> i'm not at his place. i plan on
setting up the laptop and dropping it off with him
140[02:43:20] <sney> ozzloy: if you set it up with
/etc/network/interfaces you can hardcode the ssid/key transparently.
network-manager applets (at least the one for kde) allow you to
manually add a ssid and key manually when out of the ap's range
as well
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169[02:52:08] <ax562> and just remove "cdrom" from
"deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.4.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64
DVD Binary-1 20200509-10:26]/ buster contri$"
170[02:52:10] <genr8_> the CDrom thing is a known quirk. thats
ignorable
171[02:52:19] <genr8_> no, just put a # in front of that whole
line
172[02:52:24] <ax562> oh ok
173[02:52:51] <genr8_> but the more troublesome thing is that
now you've removed all actual debian repos
174[02:53:30] <tomreyn> apt is fast now, though
175[02:54:11] <ax562> so how can I make this work lol
176[02:54:34] <ozzloy> sney, tomreyn, it appears to have added
the wifi. does this just modify the file /etc/network/interfaces ?
or is there some other file where this info is stored?
177[02:54:52] <ozzloy> this is actually a pretty neat device.
just open it up and *bam* video chat
178[02:54:59] <sney> ozzloy: network-manager has its own
database of settings somewhere
179[02:55:03] <genr8_> probably stored in the
/etc/networkmanager .connection profiles
212[03:04:06] <genr8_> the tabs and spaces argument will
continue till the end of time
213[03:04:12] <ozzloy> oh, an exception is lisp, where
indentation is just done the right way
214[03:04:16] <longears> Hmm. Debating if I can just do `chmod
600 /etc/rsyslog.d/*` or if it's going to cause problems,
considering that all the files are owned by `root:root`.
215[03:04:53] <ozzloy> what are you wishing to do by chmodding
600?
220[03:05:56] <genr8_> chmod 600 alone will solve nothing
221[03:06:38] <longears> I mean from other users on the system.
I have some definitions of remote servers in there. If root can see
and edit, it's fine. Just thinking about everyone else.
251[03:16:44] <ozzloy> hmm.. when the computer returns from
suspend, i have to hit space bar to clear the lock screen. what
needs to happen so merely opening up the laptop (and not then
hitting the spacebar) goes back into the desktop?
252[03:17:17] <ozzloy> i want to put a sign on the back of the
laptop "open for video chat"
253[03:17:34] <ax562> genr8_ ty! I think that finally did it lol
254[03:17:41] <genr8_> good
255[03:17:43] <genr8_> idk, but its called the "lid
switch" though if googling that helps
256[03:17:54] <ozzloy> it's very close
257[03:18:00] <ax562> I used nano but the text didn't copy
correctly from the dpkg messenger
258[03:18:40] <ax562> I think there might be a syntax error or
nano didn't paste correctly
259[03:19:02] <ax562> I have to admit, this has been the hardes
OS install EVER
260[03:19:44] <ax562> I didn't have internet connection
when installed, which might be the culprit
261[03:19:47] <genr8_> idk what you managed to do to mess up the
file. it should come correctly
262[03:19:53] <genr8_> maybe
263[03:20:04] <ax562> I think so
264[03:21:00] <ax562> where is the default file where I can add
my custom func again?
265[03:21:04] <ax562> .bashrc?
266[03:21:16] <genr8_> yep
267[03:21:21] <ax562> ok ty
268[03:22:32] <ax562> where does .bashrc live in debian? In
ubuntu it's in the home dir. Should I just create one?
323[03:45:12] <genr8_> ok this reminds me of an issue. When you
mount the CDROM so apt works with cdrom entries, as soon as you run
an apt-get install command, it auto-unmounts
325[03:45:41] <genr8_> that is so freaking annoying to me, i
have to keep mounting the same shit on every time i install a
package. how can i stop that ?
327[03:46:54] <ozzloy> i'm curious about the spelling of
"ubuntu". it has "u" and no other vowel. i
noticed it was just spelled "ubunto". i have noticed a lot
of misspellings involving different vowels (eg. "ubanto").
i wonder what's up with that. anyone have guesses?
328[03:47:07] <genr8_> lol
329[03:47:51] <ozzloy> i wonder if there's a name for this
phenomononmnnomnom
330[03:48:00] <genr8_> its caused by them not knowing how to
pronounce it in their head
331[03:48:08] <genr8_> so when they re-type it back, it comes
back out with various vowels
332[03:48:24] <genr8_> probably due to foreign language, or some
learning disability, who knows.
333[03:49:12] <genr8_> they arent typing from written memory,
they're typing from auditory memory. and theirs is faulty.
334[03:49:20] <ozzloy> i doubt both of those explanations.
i've seen it from native english speakers who are neurotypical
368[04:00:04] <genr8_> look in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99synaptic
for APT::Install-Recommends "true"; , comment it out with
#, and add APT::Install-Recommends 0;
371[04:00:39] <genr8_> then it will say: Stuff Recommended: xxxx
, when you install stuff.
372[04:01:17] <genr8_> and you can install it manually if
necessary
373[04:02:45] <alexandros_c> genr8_, I have a usb mic it works
on other distros but it only shows up in debian but I can get it to
work? you have any ideas? thanks
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376[04:03:48] <genr8_> could be due to udev rules (USB devices
need to be declared by a ID #, before they can be used by non-root),
and if its a weird device, it may not be in the predefined list
450[04:26:12] <nvz> wth are you all even talkin about?
451[04:26:32] <ozzloy> obs-studio
452[04:26:41] <ozzloy> dpkg, obs-studio
453[04:26:41] <dpkg> no idea, ozzloy
454[04:26:45] <nvz> something proprietary?
455[04:26:57] <nvz> ,i obs-studio
456[04:26:58] *** njka is now known as freckles
457[04:27:05] <ozzloy> apt show obs-studio
458[04:27:15] <ozzloy> not proprietary
459[04:27:19] <nvz> just did that.. as you see.. no response :P
460[04:27:25] <ax562> I was tryihg to install apt-fast in
debian. I was using this example
replaced-url
461[04:27:45] <jmcnaught> judd is missing
462[04:27:53] <nvz> ah
463[04:28:01] <ozzloy> nvz, it works for me. try obsproject.com
464[04:28:21] *** freckles is now known as frecklez
465[04:28:35] <ax562> I get this error when I run update
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466[04:28:38] <ozzloy> ah OBS = open broadcaster software
467[04:28:44] <nvz> ah I may have to look into it sometime.. I
been just using vokoscreen and various other lil gadgets
468[04:28:45] <ax562> any suggestions?
469[04:29:09] <ozzloy> ax562, what is apt-fast helping you do?
470[04:29:10] <nvz> like screenkey or keymon
471[04:29:32] <genr8_> ax562, IPv6 address not found.
472[04:30:03] <ax562> ozzloy I have a shotty internet connection
. It helps me by running apt-fast and not restarting connections or
losing because of shotty internet
473[04:30:19] <ozzloy> ax562, oh bummer
474[04:30:43] <genr8_> looks like that IPv6 address is blocked.
could be due to your bad internet ?
475[04:30:49] <ax562> apt works most times but if file is large
it will timeout and restart, basically never install
476[04:30:53] <dvs> ax562, you're mixing Debian and Ubuntu.
No, those .deb files are NOT interchangable
477[04:30:57] <ax562> apt-fast helps fix this problem
478[04:31:05] <ax562> dvs oh ok
479[04:31:13] <ozzloy> but at least it's aiding you with a
real issue you have
480[04:31:21] <ax562> I thought .deb was universal for both
systems
481[04:31:34] <ozzloy> ax562, ah, that's a hard no
482[04:31:35] <dvs> no, they're not
483[04:31:42] <ax562> crap
484[04:31:49] <ozzloy> how boned are you?
485[04:31:57] <dvs> ax562, just like there are .zip files for
Windows and Linux.
486[04:31:57] <ax562> boned?
487[04:32:09] <genr8_> "apt-fast is a shell script wrapper
for apt-get "
488[04:32:12] <ozzloy> how bad is the situation now?
489[04:32:20] <genr8_> sounds like not very. just get the shell
script :)
490[04:32:23] <ax562> yeah, I thought since it was .deb they
could be installed on deb system
548[04:50:14] <genr8_> i still think you dont understand the
seriousness of downloading 4.5 hours worth of stuff, when half of it
is probably already on the DVD-1 you have
549[04:50:33] <genr8_> you could spend an hour to get that
working again and save 2
603[06:11:57] <Derlg> ozzloy: so how do you want it to wake?
604[06:12:01] <Derlg> powerkey?
605[06:16:13] <genr8_> hes using a laptop, closing the lid
suspends it, opening the lid unsuspends it, but the screen is still
off (requiring to hit the spacebar)
606[06:17:35] <genr8_> gnome probably has some power management
options to control "blanking the screen"
614[06:24:01] <genr8_> that page lists the X11 settings relevant
for that, but gnome's power manager overrides it i believe
615[06:24:38] <mlxprojects> Hi all! I'm trying to run
Debian on an ARM device using the Android kernel with some
modifications (VT and framebuffer console enabled, for example). The
problem is that, after showing the Tux logo and probing
(successfully) the framebuffer, the screen fills with garbage and
reboots; here is a kernel panic.
638[07:00:34] <ozzloy> Derlg, thanks for your thoughts
639[07:01:14] <ozzloy> Derlg, right now the power key turns it
on. i'd like for my grampa to open the laptop to start video
chat, and close it to stop video chat
640[07:01:34] <ozzloy> right now he would need to open the
laptop, then hit space or enter
641[07:01:46] <ozzloy> which is good, but could be better
646[07:06:16] <uso> I can start an X server from the console
with startx, but not anymore with xinit. startx is only a shell
script, a wrapper around xinit, as far as I understand it. What is
the difference that startx has the permission to start an X server,
but not xinit?
651[07:09:19] <uso> jim: yes, that's my question, why does
the start succeed with startx, but fails when I run xinit directly
(with a permission denied failure).
667[07:23:22] <Portland> evilbug: less mission creep
668[07:23:26] <genr8_> lots of nerds, less noobs, very old,
large community, focus on vetting stable packages and actually
testing things before its released
669[07:23:32] <jim> evilbug, attention to detail?
670[07:23:51] <genr8_> it might not be the best but its close
671[07:24:12] <evilbug> :D
672[07:24:51] <genr8_> i decided i gotta learn as many distros
that have a chance of being good as possible. otherwise i'll
never really know whats best. everyone has a different mentality
673[07:25:43] <genr8_> i spent a ton of years ignoring linux and
hoping it would sort itself out. it didnt. it just got more
splintered
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675[07:26:01] <evilbug> as far as i've seen in the past 10+
years is that it's either debian or cent. arch if you
don't have anything else to do other than troubleshoot.
676[07:26:06] <Arahael> In that case, don't forget to try
really unique distros, such as ElementaryOS, NixOS, etc.
682[07:28:37] <evilbug> i've tried ubuntu, arch, suse, and
gentoo but never as a main os. ubuntu ended up being my main dev vm
but then i decided to just go to deb.
683[07:28:38] <genr8_> i'll figure out the best distro by
using IRC :P
684[07:28:47] <evilbug> been on deb for the past 5 years.
687[07:30:58] <evilbug> genr8_: so what's your deb and
freebsd separation?
688[07:31:59] <orange_romeda> i read biella coleman's book
'coding freedom' and that lead me to Debian and linux in
general. I'm still basically a n00b though.
689[07:33:12] <evilbug> it's nice that spotify also has a
native deb option.
723[08:09:21] <ozzloy> i also do not enjoy alcohol. however, i
do like being drunk with friends from time to time. so when i drink,
i drink to get drunk. so i have hard liquor only
727[08:12:48] <genr8_> plain green. i heard they came out with a
new 50 flavors mountain dew for MURICA. but im suspicious of it lol.
my friend said it tasted chemicaly
729[08:13:33] <SpeedyG> never liked the green ones.. had code
red several times when I was in the US but learned they discontinued
it (at least for europe :( )
730[08:13:56] <genr8_> I know im gonna get told to go into the
offtopic channel so im just gonna go ahead and do that now.
759[08:54:46] <bochku> does anyone know what usb 1-4 even refers
to? seems like the bluetooth. It stopped commplaining when I turned
off the bluetooth, and everything cooled down
903[12:26:38] <mniip> quadrathoch2, that has the consequence
that if the package has already been installed, and it has been
manually installed, it will be marked as auto now
1007[15:14:13] <annadane> btw, given your tendency to run...
interesting deviations of debian, you should know nano is typically
installed by default on a debian system
1010[15:16:58] <kreyren> annadane, this is for enforced apt
function
replaced-url
1011[15:17:07] <kreyren> so that apt doesn't call apt update
when it's not needed (for privacy reasons)
1012[15:17:30] <quadrathoch2> kreyren with no database you
can't look up stuff kreyren smh
1013[15:17:48] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, How do i check that there
is no database
1014[15:18:09] <kreyren> no database -> apt not synced?
1015[15:18:16] <quadrathoch2> what privacy issues are you trying
to solve?
1016[15:18:33] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, pinging apt repositories
when you don't need to update apt to install package
1017[15:18:54] <quadrathoch2> kreyren apt policy never updates
the database?
1018[15:18:59] <kreyren> also saves around 5 seconds on average
1019[15:19:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1121
1020[15:19:05] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, eh?
1021[15:19:40] <ratrace> kreyren: apt doesn't call update on
its own, eg through install or upgrade
1022[15:19:44] <quadrathoch2> what is there not to understand.
apt policy <package> will never invoke apt update
1023[15:20:09] <kreyren> ratrace, that's what i am trying to
avoid (apt failure to install package because it needs apt update)
1024[15:20:24] <quadrathoch2> ... no comment... let's move
on
1025[15:20:25] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, eh? how is that relevant?
1026[15:20:26] <ratrace> kreyren: in fact, that's somewhat
wrong, there may be apt crons that do nightly updates but I
don't think they're installed by default, except through
things like gnome (via unattended-upgrades or somesuch)
1027[15:20:51] <ratrace> kreyren: if a package changes eg version
since your last update, apt install will fail
1028[15:21:08] <ratrace> but I fail to see the point of using apt
install that reaches out to the network, and not allowing update to
do that
1029[15:21:10] <kreyren> ratrace, so i have to always invoke apt
update to ensure that apt install doesn't fail?
1048[15:24:26] <quadrathoch2> that's what I am trying to
understand
1049[15:24:46] <quadrathoch2> kreyren, hope you are better in
english than me, as it's not my first language
1050[15:24:51] <kreyren> ratrace, it can be avoided for example
if nano is already cached on the system
1051[15:25:06] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, o.o
1052[15:25:20] <ratrace> kreyren: then apt install won't
fail
1053[15:25:22] <quadrathoch2> sorry for typing the wrong word
1054[15:25:30] <kreyren> ratrace, wat
1055[15:25:53] <kreyren> ah
1056[15:25:54] <ratrace> kreyren: if you update once, and
populate your /var/cache/apt with packages, and the db doesn't
change by an explicit update, it can exist like that forever
1057[15:26:21] <ratrace> if you run "apt install foo"
and foo exists in the cache, at the version that your apt DB expects
it, it won't fail
1058[15:26:39] <quadrathoch2> I am still wondering why we help
kreyren as he doesn't use debian
1059[15:26:46] <ratrace> so, technically, in theory, it's
possible to prefetch the db and cache and never go out online to
fetch an install again
1060[15:26:48] <kreyren> ratrace, so if there is a
/var/cache/apt/nano.. then apt can install it? and /var/cache/apt is
fetched by 'apt-get update' ?
1062[15:27:14] <ratrace> kreyren: no, by apt-get (note: apt-get
vs. apt (that won't cache packages))
1063[15:27:34] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, i use debian, that
doesn't mean that i can't make scripts that work on other
kernels and distributions, see GNU platforms philosophy
1064[15:27:44] <ratrace> apt update refreshes the databases at I
_think_ /var/lib/apt
1067[15:28:39] <ratrace> kreyren: however in light of your tor
usage elsewere talked in another chan few days ago, note that you
can use apt proxy somewhere.... for "privacy reasons"
1069[15:29:31] <kreyren> ratrace, that's also expected but
not a concern atm i just want to avoid invoking `apt{,-get} update`
where possible
1070[15:29:52] <ratrace> kreyren: in normal operations
that's unsupported
1071[15:30:02] <ratrace> (that == running apt without an up to
date database)
1072[15:30:15] <kreyren> ratrace, afaik not unsupported assuming
package apt-transport-tor being a thing
1073[15:30:25] <kreyren> ratrace, ah i see
1074[15:30:32] <ratrace> you can do it once for first update,
prefetch the cache somehow, but over time versions will change and
your local db will deteriorate
1109[15:42:00] <JPT> Unless your requirements actually state
timing conditions for your code, you should care about literally
everything else first. E.g. documentation, readability and
maintainability, ...
1110[15:43:21] <JPT> I recall a student project i was working on,
and - while we were still figuring out what we actually wanted to do
- i already had to stop other people thinking about performance.
1111[15:43:37] <themill> FTR much of the work I do atm is about
nanosecond timing and the priorities are still documentation,
readability and maintainability.
1112[15:43:44] <ratrace> premature optimizations usually plagues
novice developers
1114[15:44:49] <ratrace> you've wasted 40*60 seconds now,
trying to save 5 for each 86400; that means your effort will pay off
after 480 days, if you stop NOW
1115[15:45:24] <ratrace> after 40 more minutes of chasing this,
your efforts will pay off after 2.63 years....
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1119[15:48:18] <zeroed> Hello, I would like to know the
difference between systemd-resolved and resolvconf (similarly as the
difference between systemd-networkd and networking) because I would
like to understand if they can / should / must be running at the
same time on a system. Thank you in advance.
1120[15:50:10] <ratrace> zeroed: systemd-resolved is a stub
resolver; resolvconf is a framework that sets up resolv.conf from
multiple sources
1125[15:51:55] <ratrace> I think systemd-resolved is making
resolvconf obsolete in a way, but in theory they can coexist because
they have different roles.
1126[15:52:53] <ratrace> as for systemd-networkd vs
networking(.service, which on debian by default uses ifupdown ie
interfaces(5) framework) , they're two mechanisms with the same
role: to set up networking, and can't really operate at the
same time
1128[15:55:19] <zeroed> ratrace: Thank you so much. This makes
totally sense. I had the same feeling (not so clearly expressed as
you did) and I was indeed looking for confirmation especially about
the coesistence.
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1130[15:56:48] <zeroed> I think I stumbled upon a confused
situation where too many "network" services were installed
and I got confused myself.
1132[15:58:48] <ratrace> they can coexist on disk (and do,
systemd-networkd is present on debian even if it uses ifupdown) but
can't operate at the same time, at least not on the same NICs
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1153[16:37:09] <graphicsv> Ok. I found out the problem with aufs.
aufs-dkms is conflicting with pristine kernel aufs - How can I
mitigate this? Should I just not patch my pristine kernel with it or
just leave it? This is the error I'm getting:
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1184[16:42:38] *** d3vnull was kicked by themill (On the Internet
nobody can hear you being subtle.)
1185[16:42:39] *** themill sets mode: -o themill
1186[16:42:47] <quadrathoch2> d3vnull if you say so, go back to
ubuntu which is based on debian smh
1187[16:43:21] <graphicsv> Don't you dare compare Ubuntu
with Debian. Debian is the father of all distros. It's the only
distro that simply works and it's reliable
1234[17:08:33] <ax562> What happens when my gpu is not in
replaced-url
1235[17:09:54] *** Quits: e (e@replaced-ip) (Quit: edk)
1236[17:13:03] <ax562> Let me rephrase that, What would be the
best method of installing gpu drivers for this setup? 00:02.0 VGA
compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core
processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09)01:00.0 VGA
compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK104GLM [Quadro
K4000M] [10de:11bd] (rev a1)
1250[17:22:42] <quadrathoch2> it's even the same driver
version ax562
1251[17:23:02] <ax562> wait what?
1252[17:23:29] <quadrathoch2> and btw, with installing the sh
from nvidia directly, you would have an unsupported debian system ;)
1253[17:23:43] <ax562> I apt-cache search and didn't come up
with anything
1254[17:23:55] <ax562> ok cool
1255[17:23:58] <quadrathoch2> ax562 did you enable contrib
non-free repositories?
1256[17:24:48] <ax562> I honestly didn't really know what I
was getting into with Debian. I thought .deb packages were
universal, so I was like hey, lets' try debian, I already have
a bunch of ubuntu .deb pakages
1257[17:24:57] <ax562> no
1258[17:25:02] <ax562> let me do that
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1262[17:26:55] <BuzzardBuzz> I have a Hyper-V VM install of Deb10
- it worked fine for many months as a Next Cloud webserver - Now it
boot up to a busy box and does not respond to keyboard inputs - is
there a way to fix it back to working again or is it best to just
reinstall debian 10 again?
1263[17:27:14] <quadrathoch2> you would need to apt update to
find the new packages ax562 :)
1274[17:29:39] <BuzzardBuzz> Is that what you recommend?
1275[17:30:18] <quadrathoch2> idk, as we are a debian support
channel not windows. and btw, debian uses the windows kernel, so
i'm pretty sure it's a windows bug
1276[17:30:23] <ax562> ok, now I have nvidia-detect
1312[17:38:14] <Pr0metheus> Is it possible to mount read/write a
ufs2 partition?
1313[17:38:38] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, seems to work, thanks ^-^
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1315[17:39:56] <quadrathoch2> Pr0metheus it should work
1316[17:41:14] <ax562> Who's getting that covid vaccination?
or is that way off topic lol
1317[17:41:22] <kreyren> What is the recommended way to remove
files generated by debootstrap? i am using 'rm -rf path'
which generates: rm: cannot remove
'tarbals/debian/proc/7900/task/7912/sessionid': Operation
not permitted'
1342[17:45:18] <kreyren> annadane, my end is debian without
systemd~
1343[17:45:26] <themill> kreyren: the fact that you need to add
that last line indicates, once again, that you should not be asking
things in #debian
1344[17:46:31] <quadrathoch2> I am still wondered why kreyren is
not outright banned/autosilenced. As we know he will never be here
with a normal debian setup
1345[17:46:49] <kreyren> it's as normal as it gets!~
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1347[17:47:17] <kreyren> but i think my logic in a script is
wrong because this is called from a script~
1348[17:47:44] <themill> which leaves us back with deboostrap not
touching /proc and you making stuff up. again.
1349[17:48:03] <kreyren> themill, checking..
1350[17:48:18] <kreyren> takes a long time to build a system that
i didn't touch and i didn't cache that process yet
>.>
1351[17:48:18] <themill> Any thoughts about why #debian is bored
of this?
1352[17:48:46] <kreyren> themill, because debian is turning into
a darwin den about to ban users who mess with four freedom
respecting software~
1353[17:48:53] <annadane> .......
1354[17:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1133
1355[17:49:05] <annadane> first of all piss off the the ~,
secondly go away
1356[17:49:08] <annadane> with the*
1357[17:49:14] <kreyren> fair enough >.>
1358[17:49:41] <themill> kreyren: no, it's bored with people
making up nonsense and not even doing the slightest amount of
debugging before claiming it's everyone else's fault
1359[17:49:56] <quadrathoch2> just create your own distro and
leave us alone in our totalitarian distribution :p
1360[17:50:02] <kreyren> themill, i woudn't have to do this
if debian worked by default without systemd..
1364[17:50:19] *** kreyren was kicked by themill (On the Internet
nobody can hear you being subtle.)
1365[17:50:21] <themill> it does
1366[17:50:22] *** themill sets mode: -o themill
1367[17:52:07] <annadane> so kreyren has the wherewithal to
research all of his "special sauce" debian stuff but not
to research that you actually can use it without systemd
1368[17:52:17] <annadane> perhaps not as smooth, but to not even
be aware of the possibility?
1369[17:52:51] <annadane> unless he meant "but not as well
as with systemd because systemd has effectively taken over the
ecosystem", but then again it's kreyren and he could mean
anything
1397[18:03:23] <annadane> cfoch, btw for further questions you
can ask #debian-mentors for packages meant for inclusion in debian
or #packaging (both on the irc.oftc.net network) for packages for
self-use
1398[18:03:40] <annadane> the lintian package among others, can
also help you
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Qui est le numero 1 ? - Vous etes le numero 6 - Je ne suis pas un
numero ! Je suis un homme libre!! >>)
1400[18:07:19] <annadane> and devscripts, but presumably all this
is mentioned in the guides
1401[18:07:38] <jak2000> how to install Java8 on debian 10?
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1405[18:09:29] <ax562> how long does debian support buster?
1406[18:09:56] <graphicsv> ax562: At least a decade
1407[18:10:09] <annadane> 2 years of full support, then 1 year of
full support after bullseye gets released (next summer sometime),
then long term support for more server packages
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1416[18:11:52] <ax562> well, what are the benifits
1417[18:12:02] <ax562> I honestly didn't know stretch
existed
1418[18:12:17] <ax562> It looks like that version has longer
support?
1419[18:12:24] <annadane> well, you get security support for all
packages, like i said, lts (which stretch is now under) doesn't
get full support for every package
1420[18:12:33] <annadane> plus newer packages generally
1436[18:17:53] <annadane> jak2000, YMMV but there's
replaced-url
1437[18:18:20] <jak2000> annadane thanks
1438[18:18:26] <Pr0metheus> Guys any idea why I get this: mount:
/mnt/Other: WARNING: device write-protected, mounted read-only.
<---in debian website it points to kernel and there it says ufs2
supports r/w (replaced-url
1439[18:18:28] <annadane> although for anything specific you need
to run i would suppose you can specify the java version for that
specific application
1440[18:18:29] <jak2000> other question, how to remove completly
all java ?
1441[18:18:33] <annadane> as opposed to messing around with
defaults
1442[18:18:55] <annadane> see what's installed via dpkg -l
*jdk* *jre* and just remove them
1443[18:19:24] <annadane> i suppose it's also possible to
compile java and do it that way, re: your question about java 8
1444[18:19:31] <ax562> I noticed that when I install any package
using apt I get "libdvd-pkg: Checking orig.tar
integrity.../usr/src/libdvd-pkg/libdvdcss_1.4.2.orig.tar.bz2:
OKlibdvd-pkg: `apt-get check` failed, you may have broken packages.
Aborting..."
1445[18:19:34] <ax562> is this normal?
1446[18:19:38] <annadane> though that's probably not great
from a security standpoint
1447[18:21:22] <annadane> unless debian has a java manager (like
virtualenv's allow you to use different python versions)
i'm not aware of
1448[18:21:24] <annadane> it probably does
1449[18:21:28] <annadane> and if it does you should use that
1454[18:27:19] <jim> I want to back up my new laptop, after
wiping windows completely and installing linux, can I start wireless
networking in single user mode?
1468[18:37:03] *** mnemonic is now known as Guest72820
1469[18:37:08] <annadane> jak2000, also make sure the reason you
need java 8 isn't because some piece of software you're
trying to use says "requires java 8" because that can
easily mean "requires at least java 8" when java 11 will
work fine
1529[19:37:28] <SanchoPensa> I would kindly like to ask you for
assistance with the following rather unsettling issue:
1530[19:38:26] <SanchoPensa> I recently discovered some
unexplicable network traffic: I run a router with port forwarding,
yet still I keep getting traffic FROM and TO my computer on a port,
that isn't even remotely forwarded.
1531[19:39:13] <SanchoPensa> nethogs tells me, the PID of the
process is "?" and the owner of the process is root. Which
of course gives special reason for concern
1532[19:40:06] <annadane> no idea, but may be time for a
reinstall, sadly
1533[19:40:14] <annadane> others can answer more specifically of
course
1534[19:40:17] <SanchoPensa> a whois to the periodically chaning
source IPs gives rather concise answers, once it is an adress in the
netherlands, then again in some business park in new dehli
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1536[19:41:13] <SanchoPensa> the amount of traffic is in
extraordinary low rates, according to nethogs and iftop it is around
0,003 KB/s
1538[19:43:26] <SanchoPensa> the destination port, however is
always the same: 56576 with google being inconclusive as to what to
expect behind that port.
1539[19:43:43] <SanchoPensa> what on earth is going on?
1601[20:52:06] <graphicsv> I installed Liquorix kernel and it has
the option that I need plus low-latency settings. Can I remove
Debian's default kernel? (4.19.0)
1653[21:51:15] <poet> Hello, I'm trying to update Debian 10.
When I run 'apt-get update' I get the following error
message (and other similar ones):
1654[21:51:20] <poet> W: Target Packages
(main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in
/etc/apt/sources.list:1 and /etc/apt/sources.list:10
1655[21:51:49] <poet> Any help fixing this would be genuinely
appreciated.
1656[21:52:29] <jmcnaught> poet: that's just a warning,
looks like you have duplicate lines in your sources.list (lines 1
and 10)
1657[21:52:32] <quadrathoch2> poet you have a repository multiple
times in /etc/apt/sources.list
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1664[21:53:38] <poet> quadrathoch2: Thank you. =)
1665[21:53:57] <sney> !warning
1666[21:53:57] <dpkg> Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings.
Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11
warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared -
informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if
the program works as expected, be happy.
1673[21:58:26] <quadrathoch2> poet do you want contrib and
nonfree? if yes you would need to edit it (you can just add them
after main (all of them))
1674[21:58:34] <somiaj> poet: if you want access to
'contrib' and 'non-free' just append those to
each and every line you have in that sources.list
1675[21:58:41] <somiaj> poet: you don't need a new line for
that.
1676[21:58:44] <poet> I try to not use non-free but I had to
once.
1677[21:59:28] <somiaj> if you have non-free software currently
installed, you should at least keep the sources around for updates.
Packages in main won't pull stuff from non-free, so you can
check if something is free or not before installing it
1678[21:59:57] <poet> quadrathoch2 and somiaj: Okay I will edit
accordingly and let you know. Thank you for your help.
1679[22:03:52] <oxek> is anyone seriously running debian without
non-free contrib?
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1681[22:05:06] <somiaj> it is hard to escape some of the
firmware, but many besides for firmware most likely are, and
I'm sure some are using purely open firmware hardware
1682[22:05:43] <somiaj> though it is hard to get away from
firmare with microcode, wifi, and modern gpus
1717[22:36:22] <KOLANICH> quadrathoch2: I don't have a salsa
account, and since that GH repo looks like a repo of the current
maintainer of dpkg, I have sent the patches there
1718[22:36:57] <evilbug> do any of you also use freebsd?
1725[22:40:35] <poet> Okay, I ran 'apt-get update; apt-get
upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade' yet 'lsb_release -a'
says I'm still at 10.0 instead of 10.4...
1726[22:41:01] <sney> what's in /etc/debian_version?
lsb_release is deprecated
1727[22:42:30] <poet> sney: Oh, okay! /etc/debian_version says
10.4. I didn't know lsb_release was depreciated. Thank you for
your help. =)
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1729[22:42:40] <sney> np
1730[22:43:02] <annadane> i think freebsd's pkg and
debian's apt are roughly the same
1735[22:43:37] <annadane> with the caveat that freebsd uses ports
that are upgraded independently of the base system
1736[22:43:56] <annadane> you can always spin up a vm and try
stuff
1737[22:46:06] <evilbug> annadane: i know, i'm even in
#freebsd. upgrading from 12.0 to 12.1 is taking forever on a similar
specced vm i have with deb. over 10 minutes now and still stuck on
"preparing to download"...
1747[22:52:47] <sney> I was going to say "there's
always the kfreebsd port" but I guess there isn't anymore
1748[22:53:31] <quadrathoch2> sney yeah there was not enough
interest :(
1749[22:53:41] <annadane> once fbsd has a "quickstart
desktop setup guide" that isn't impossible then i will
*maybe* consider it
1750[22:54:02] <Jemt> Hi. For some reason clamav-daemon
won't start. `systemctl restart clamav-daemon` outputs the
following error: "Failed to restart clamav-daemon.service: Unit
clamav-daemon.service is masked.". If I do `dpkg
--get-selections | grep -i clamav` I get a list where clamav-daemon
is marked "deinstall". Is this the cause of the problem?
1751[22:54:26] <quadrathoch2> annadane imho they gave up desktop
(they even killed the desktop distribution because of server
features)
1756[22:55:44] <Logg> Jemt, purge it and try installing the
package again?
1757[22:56:36] <Jemt> I suppose I could - I just wonder what
happend. Thanks though, Logg :)
1758[22:56:58] <quadrathoch2> Jemt look into systemctl mask
<service> ;)
1759[22:57:02] <Logg> Jemt, I suggested that because I suspect
the config file is no longer compatible. If you read the changelog
you can see why probably
1760[22:57:40] <evilbug> i wouldn't consider freebsd as a
desktop. just tried it a couple of days back and i'm not trying
to run arch.
1761[22:58:12] <evilbug> for a headless though i would've
expected some basic functions to be easier than they actually are.
1762[22:58:17] <Jemt> Good suggestion - thanks again Logg - and
quadrathoch2 :)
1765[22:59:13] <evilbug> not having pkg installed by default for
example, then the upgrade process between minor versions feels more
convoluted than upgrading deb to a major version.
1766[22:59:33] <evilbug> imagine apt not being there by default
in deb.
1767[23:00:04] <quadrathoch2> evilbug oO pkg is in freebsd base
install, so no idea what you are talking about, but still offtopic
1768[23:00:40] <evilbug> not from what i've seen. it'll
install if you try to run it but it's not there by default.
1783[23:07:31] <istrive> I need to get rid of DHCP. I set my two
nicks to Static IP on /etc/interfaces (set the interface down first
ip link set eno1/2 down) but when I reboot the nic2 still gets a
dhcp address! what am I missing?
1784[23:07:53] <ax562> sney because I boot up dolphin-emu and it
tells me im running my intel cpue
1788[23:08:20] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely
uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch>
and <buster> and <bullseye>.
replaced-url
1789[23:08:31] <ax562> and when I go into settings details, it
says im on intel gpu as well
1790[23:08:37] <evilbug> istrive: you mean
/etc/network/interfaces
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1792[23:10:18] <sney> istrive: pastebin your interfaces file,
please
1793[23:10:33] <ax562> "lspci -nn | grep
'\[030[02]\]" does not work
1795[23:11:06] <sney> ax562: if you already know that your laptop
has both an intel gpu and a nvidia gpu, then you can skip that step
and just read the wiki page.
1796[23:11:17] <ax562> I went on the "optimus" link I
was given earlier and my gpu was not listed
1797[23:11:18] <evilbug> sney: loool wasn't pastebin
considered the devil for a few years now?
1798[23:11:33] <evilbug> sney: or is that like using
"kleenex" for tissue nowadays?
1799[23:11:34] <ax562> sney which one?
1800[23:11:59] <sney> evilbug: "pastebin" is the
generic term for a website where you can share text, yes.
pastebin.com does not have a monopoly on the term.
1803[23:12:38] <evilbug> sney: i've been away from the scene
for a couple of years but i actually used a pastebin link 3-4 years
ago for something somebody crucified the living jesus out of me.
1804[23:13:18] <dvs> evilbug, use paste.debian.org
1805[23:13:31] <sney> ax562: quadro gpus are not always
documented but they come from the same designs as geforce gpus that
probably are listed. REGARDLESS, if your system is multiplexing an
intel gpu and a nvidia gpu, bumblebee is what you need. period.
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1807[23:13:59] <evilbug> dvs: i know, just saying :D
1811[23:14:50] <istrive> this is the /etc/network/interfaces
1812[23:15:05] <ax562> so the nvidia-driver does not work?
1813[23:15:21] <sney> ax562: you don't seem to be reading
anything, so I'll just leave you to your own devices
1814[23:15:41] <ax562> sney I'm asking a question from what
I just read
1815[23:15:47] <ax562> no need for an attitude
1816[23:16:23] <KOLANICH> quadrathoch2: I have sent the patches
to the mailing list.
1817[23:16:34] <quadrathoch2> great thanks KOLANICH
1818[23:17:41] <sney> so where did you get "does not
work" from? I am now telling you for the 3rd time: your
hardware requires bumblebee, which has instructions on
wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee, nouveau and nvidia-driver are both
options, read the instructions.
1819[23:18:52] <sney> istrive: that should be fine, redacting
private addresses is an odd choice, but anyway - which interface is
getting a dynamic address against your wishes?
1827[23:24:06] <sney> ax562: some optimus laptop models only
support using the nvidia gpu in windows. no optimus laptop supports
using the nvidia gpu without bumblebee. you have to try the
bumblebee instructions to find out which one you have.
1828[23:24:26] <sney> istrive: which interface is getting a
dynamic address? is it the host nic or the virtual one?
1829[23:24:33] <istrive> the eno2
1830[23:25:29] <sney> so that's a bridge supported by the
vbox utils, right? network-manager ignores any interfaces specified
in /etc/network/interfaces, so unless you have some other network
daemon running, it's most likely virtualbox doing something
sneaky.
1832[23:27:27] <istrive> it gets the static IP as defined in the
interfaces, but also an extra from the DHCP... What is going on? I
even removed the NetworkManager
1833[23:27:38] <tomreyn> ax562: you can also use DRI PRIME if
using the nouveau drivers.
1835[23:28:09] <sney> istrive: step 1: are you *sure* it is from
dhcp? there's more than one way to dynamically assign an
address, especially on a virtual interface.
1843[23:29:29] <istrive> this is the host system, the eno2 is
shared to the vms to connect to the LAN, but the address here is not
linked to any vms (and the network settings to the vms is as bridge)
1844[23:30:23] <RoyK> istrive: have you setup briding? br0, for
instance