• 0[00:00:29] <rwp> replaced-url
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• 3[00:03:12] <rwp> Fun with software archeology today...
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• 8[00:06:04] <jeffrin> anyway thanks
• 9[00:06:20] <ryouma> rwp: yeah it's there in ucf, just not in ucf-conf. everybody seems to use YES instead of 1 but 1 must work.
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• 11[00:06:32] <ryouma> (the others are in ucf-conf and documented)
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• 13[00:07:34] <rwp> The test in the script is: elif [ ! "x$UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS" = "x" ]; then so it is simply testing if it is set to anything non-zero length.
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• 15[00:08:08] <rwp> In a rather un-idiomatic-shell way. More idiomatic would be [ -n "$UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS" ] there.
• 16[00:08:12] <ryouma> so it's all solved except what noninteractive does if i have those force options. i guess my big concern is grub. i don't want that to screw up or try to change a disk i do not want changed etc. can that be special-cased?
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• 18[00:08:26] <ryouma> ah
• 19[00:08:53] <rwp> It does seem now that noninteractive is obviated by the --force-conf* options.
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• 21[00:09:48] <rwp> I remember adding them to my commands one at a time for various reasons. --force-conf* I acquired into my toolbox later and therefore maybe now DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive is no longer needed.
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• 24[00:10:40] <rwp> A good improvement! Thank you for the team effort here!
• 25[00:10:48] <ryouma> ah
• 26[00:11:04] <ryouma> thank you for the help. this is what i have now. please criticize as needed! replaced-url
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• 28[00:11:18] <rwp> Note that DEBIAN_FRONTEND mentioned DEBCONF_ADMIN_EMAIL. I am sure that is why I acquired that one too.
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• 31[00:11:39] <ryouma> you mean it is also obviated?
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• 33[00:12:46] <rwp> Not necessarily. Just where it came into the process. I think it will still be needed for a fully automated installation. Otherwise apt-listchanges or whatever will email root with the info that you will have seen a zillion times before.
• 34[00:13:22] <rwp> I am still not understanding having *both* --force-confdef and --force-confold together. Looking at the man page...
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• 37[00:13:32] <rwp> I think you just want --force-confold in that case.
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• 41[00:14:14] <rwp> Ah... You are correct. Both are useful.
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• 46[00:15:35] <rwp> But I am not yet understanding when dpkg will have a default action and when it will not. That is missing for me.
• 47[00:16:19] <ryouma> i want apt-listchanges to show everything on the console, not to email root. but i don't need to specify that do i?
• 48[00:18:26] <rwp> In the end after these types of tweaks you will need to run some tests and determine if the result is what is wanted or not.
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• 56[00:20:29] <ryouma> i have already set apt-listchanges to do what i want, so i think i don't need to specify it. the only question is making grub configuratio0n interactive. but that might not be possible.
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• 59[00:22:25] <justthedoctor> rwp: i have managed to get the version of openssl i need installed to a different directory, would you mind giving me a hand on how i would include that into the compile for a make -f makefile.unix make command? i can link you a copy of the makefile.unix
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• 61[00:22:29] <ryouma> my guess is that with confold and confdef, dpkg will overwrite unchanged stuff and preserve changed stuff, at least from the docs, and then confmiss will add missing stuff. not sure if thre is anything else.
• 62[00:23:46] <ryouma> eh, probably not that many packages use ucf. grub does. so i will just default that one
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• 64[00:24:23] <rwp> ryouma, It's that "If there is no default action..." part that confuses me. In what case would there be no default action?
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• 66[00:25:03] <rwp> Not many use ucf. I don't really prefer it, since it is simply yet another thing I need to worry about. But it isn't bad as such.
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• 68[00:25:45] <rwp> justthedoctor, The compile? For which program? If you have openssl installed in a local directory and another program needs it then that is usually needing to be pointed to it.
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• 71[00:26:19] <rwp> That could be a compile time flag using -I and -L to gcc. Or if using configure then the package may have a higher level option of pointing to it using a configure variable.
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• 73[00:27:09] <rwp> And all of this while it just feels like using a local openssl is a painfully hard way to do things that perhaps are not needed to be done at all.
• 74[00:29:19] <ryouma> rwp: i see your question (went to dpkg man page). i can only assume a package can say that there is no default and the user must supply an answer, or somethign. but that must be wrong else you'd have known it.
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• 77[00:30:55] <rwp> For the real answer I think we would need to look at the dpkg source and see what it is doing in the code at the point that uses force-confdef. That is probably the only authoritive documentation on it.
• 78[00:31:59] <rwp> In any case, including both as you have done seems to follow the documented path correctly! Good enough! Other than to satisfy curiosity.
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• 93[00:45:10] <justthedoctor> rwp: i figured it out, thank you for your help!
• 94[00:45:19] <rwp> Oh good!
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• 96[00:46:15] <ryouma> yeah. this is my final version (i think): replaced-url
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• 127[01:32:03] <ryouma> what is the difference between --with-new-pkgs and dist-upgrade?
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• 147[01:55:16] <rwp> ryouma, --with-new-pkgs allows adding new packages to the solution set. dist-upgrade does that but also allows removing packages as a solution too. So upgrade --with-new-packages is perfect for Stable upgrades.
• 148[01:55:55] <rwp> Safer than dist-upgrade which might find the solution set is to remove everything.
• 149[01:57:52] <ryouma> rwp: thank you. i have been using dist-upgrade for stable upgrades because kernel abi changes do not get presented for upgrade. but sometimes even that doesnot make them get presented. maybe upgrade --with-new-packages will work. is it ok to use --with-new-pkgs with dist-upgrade? or meaningless?
• 150[01:58:12] <rwp> I think meaningless there.
• 151[01:59:03] <rwp> My normal set of actions is upgrade then upgrade --with-new-pkgs mostly without thinking, then dist-upgrade and look very carefully at what it is doing if anything is left to be done.
• 152[01:59:05] <ryouma> ok. then after the dist-upgrade my regular practice will be the combination with upgrade
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• 154[02:00:47] <rwp> And then autoremove (with etckeeper I use autoremove --purge) to clean off the now able to be orphaned packages.
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• 156[02:01:18] <rwp> That can be combined with --with-new-pkgs by adding --auto-remove but then I would need to look very carefully at it too eliminating the mindless nature of it.
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• 159[02:02:54] <ryouma> good point
• 160[02:03:23] <ryouma> i have a nuke script that runs apt-get --purge autoremove and then apt-get -o "Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant=false" purge `aptitude search ~c|db wsv2o` `deborphan ${1:+--guess-all}`
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• 257[03:38:56] <k-man> I like to use Gnome Terminal in gnome, with a black background in the terminal window. Is there some way I can get a border on the terminal windows as when they stack, they are black on black and you can't tell where the edges of the terminals are
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• 261[03:45:55] <aloo_shu> k-man: the boarders are probably defined in the general appearance/theme/window manager settings
• 262[03:46:04] <aloo_shu> *borders
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• 264[03:50:06] <jmcnaught> k-man: in profile preferences on the scrolling tab check "show scrollbar" which will at least make two side by side have a "border" of sorts
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• 271[03:57:32] <friendofafriend> OK, I'm a little confused. I'd like a live image that I can plop on a USB thumb drive, and boot a x86 machine with no install. What's that called?
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• 274[03:58:32] <friendofafriend> I see these "live install" images, but I don't want to install anything. I usually just boot some install media and install to the USB thumb drive, but that's the pits.
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• 278[04:02:35] <k-man> aloo_shu, ok
• 279[04:03:22] <k-man> jmcnaught, yeah i already have scrollbars showing which fixes the right hand edge of the window
• 280[04:03:26] <friendofafriend> I think one of these is what I want, but is there a minimal live image? replaced-url
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• 288[04:10:28] <friendofafriend> Oh, maybe that's debian-live-testing "standard"? Are there standard images for 9.8?
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• 295[04:20:10] <friendofafriend> Yeah, I guess that'll work. Be nice to have an image with firmware and without X, but it could be worse.
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• 299[04:27:14] <jmcnaught> k-man: have you tried terminator?
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• 305[04:33:33] <k-man> yes
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• 308[04:34:06] <k-man> after twice activating the broadcast mode accidentaly and broadcasting my terminal session into an irc window - I decided it wasn't for me
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• 311[04:42:01] <seeker63> what file do i put vga=normal fb=false or vga=normal nomodeset
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• 320[04:51:16] <friendofafriend> What, those live images don't even persist?
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• 322[04:54:21] <aloo_shu> seeker63: sounds like boot parameters to the kernel, type 'info grub' in a terminal and study if you want to understand where to correctly put them
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• 334[05:05:32] <friendofafriend> I guess I'm back to just doing a netinstall to a USB drive. Why is there no minimal live image I can just plop on a USB drive and boot? Is that really an alien use case?
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• 367[05:50:23] <jcb2016> a friend gave me a hp stream laptop 14-cb0xx i want to download buster but the internet is very very slow where i am. can i download a buster net iso install and will it detect my wireless card?
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• 382[06:00:50] <aloo_shu> was it
• 383[06:01:01] <aloo_shu> !unofficial
• 384[06:01:01] <dpkg> External package repositories are listed at replaced-url
• 385[06:01:11] <aloo_shu> no
• 386[06:01:25] <aloo_shu> !unofficial-install
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• 388[06:01:43] <aloo_shu> !install-unofficial
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• 430[06:30:45] <deego> anyone got undistract-me working successfully?
• 431[06:31:14] <deego> it won't notify me, period. I have set the variable from the docfile, etc.
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• 435[06:33:03] <at0m> deego: if it sets variables from /etc/profile.d/ , did you "source /etc/profile.d/thatfile" ?
• 436[06:33:15] <deego> yes indeed
• 437[06:33:17] <at0m> either that or log out completely and back in
• 438[06:33:25] <deego> did both
• 439[06:34:15] <at0m> was just stating something that looked like you may had overseen.. haven't used undistract-me myself
• 440[06:34:15] <deego> at0m: does it work for you?
• 441[06:34:27] <deego> ah
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• 444[06:36:23] <jcb2016> did anyone see my message from earlier?
• 445[06:37:29] <at0m> jcb2016: afaik there's installers that include non-free (those would include firmware for that wifi)
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• 447[06:37:59] <jcb2016> at0m, netinstallers or cd/dvd's ?
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• 449[06:39:53] <at0m> jcb2016: replaced-url
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• 451[06:40:21] <at0m> 366M netinst.iso
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• 453[06:40:49] <k-man> somehow automounting usb devices doesn't work for me any more
• 454[06:41:13] <k-man> what is the standard debian/gnome way of automounting usb flash disks?
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• 456[06:41:35] <deego> at0m: ah, it works: I just had to switch to another workspace - makes sense. why notify if i'm still active on the same terminal?
• 457[06:41:55] <jcb2016> ok thanks at0m
• 458[06:42:28] <at0m> :)
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• 461[06:43:56] <at0m> k-man: quick websearch replaced-url
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• 464[06:46:57] <k-man> at0m,thanks, it's already set to true
• 465[06:49:00] <at0m> k-man: my desktop doesn't do such automounting.. i find pmount pretty convenient. doesn't solve your automount issue tho.
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• 467[06:49:23] <k-man> at0m, i'm sure gnome used to automount stuff for me.
• 468[06:49:26] <k-man> not sure what changed
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• 499[07:15:12] <jcb2016> finally downloaded the buster live weekly build from starbucks decent wifi. at least when i boot up i will have a wowrking desktop with firmware
• 500[07:15:19] <jcb2016> thats all i really wanted
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• 519[07:43:58] <kingsley> Can any of Debian's great command line system administration utilities, like dpkg, apt-get or aptitude, upgrade 1.) a certain package and 2.) all of it's upgradable dependencies, without resorting to upgrading all installed packages?
• 520[07:44:04] <kingsley> If so, how?
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• 522[07:46:16] <at0m> kingsley: i'm sure there's different ways, but i'd use aptitude's ncurses interface. select the package you want, press + to upgrade, g to preview changes, g to apply them
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• 526[07:48:58] <kingsley> at0m: Do you happen to know if aptitude's ncurses interface also upgrades packages that the one you pressed + for depend on?
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• 528[07:50:28] <rudi_s> kingsley: Only if there are conflicts (when for example a program depends on a specific version of a library).
• 529[07:50:31] <at0m> kingsley: it will select the dependencies of the upgraded package, if those dependencies require upgrade, too
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• 531[07:51:06] <kingsley> Maybe I owe you an apology for being too terse.
• 532[07:51:14] <at0m> no worries
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• 534[07:52:00] <at0m> depending on aptitude's settings, it may mark "suggests" for installation, too. you can '-' those to not have these installed
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• 537[07:52:33] <at0m> so review the suggested changes when you press 'g' the first time
• 538[07:52:38] <kingsley> Do you happen to know how to also upgrade a package's dependencies to their latest, newest versions, even if there are no known conflicts?
• 539[07:52:49] <at0m> try it
• 540[07:53:20] <at0m> if the one package upgrade requires it, it will mark the dependency upgrades, too
• 541[07:53:45] <at0m> if not, aptitude will show but not mark for upgrade, as far as i know
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• 546[08:00:58] <Tom-_> kingsley, i think straight apt will do what you want
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• 548[08:01:13] <Tom-_> well, all the necessary dependencies, maybe not all the upgradeable dependencies
• 549[08:01:19] <Tom-_> but there's a lot of overlap
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• 552[08:07:00] <aloo_shu> you could make one cmd list the dependency to a file, then use that as input to a lil script that attempts to upgrade each; got to get rid of the version part of the name on the way, but first word usually is pkg name
• 553[08:07:20] <aloo_shu> *dependencies
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• 559[08:13:49] <kingsley> aloo_shu: Maybe something like...
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• 561[08:14:38] <kingsley> $ aptitude install $( apt-rdepends my_stupendous_package_name | grep -E '^[a-zA-Z0-9]' | paste -sd " ")
• 562[08:14:49] <kingsley> or
• 563[08:15:18] <kingsley> $ aptitude install my_stupendous_package_name $( apt-rdepends my_stupendous_package_name | grep -E '^[a-zA-Z0-9]' | paste -sd " ")
• 564[08:15:37] <aloo_shu> btw is 'don't mix aptitude and apt/synaptic' still true? different dependency logic
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• 566[08:16:18] <aloo_shu> kingsley: oh man ask someone more pro, you're already more bash-fluid than ne :)
• 567[08:16:24] <at0m> ouch synaptic
• 568[08:16:28] <at0m> ,v synaptic
• 569[08:16:29] <aloo_shu> me
• 570[08:16:29] <judd> Package: synaptic on amd64 -- jessie: 0.81.2; stretch: 0.84.2; sid: 0.84.5
• 571[08:16:36] <at0m> removed from buster for now
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• 574[08:18:13] <aloo_shu> hm
• 575[08:18:17] <at0m> kingsley: that's using aptitude's command line interface. would be so easy running plain "aptitude"
• 576[08:18:30] <aloo_shu> ,v aptitude
• 577[08:18:31] <judd> Package: aptitude on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.11-1+b1; stretch: 0.8.7-1; sid: 0.8.11-6; buster: 0.8.11-7
• 578[08:18:50] <kaizoku> ah man i never knew that.. I've long mixed apt-get and aptitude
• 579[08:19:24] <at0m> iiuc apt/apt-get/aptitude have been streamlined a lot nowadays
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• 581[08:20:09] <aloo_shu> I sort of dimly remember such a warning, but just now begin using aptitude, no drama so far
• 582[08:20:19] <kaizoku> yea thye're certainly smoother than they used to be at0m
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• 584[08:20:35] <kaizoku> I use `apt` nowadays but basically just for brevity
• 585[08:20:36] <kaizoku> easier to type
• 586[08:20:57] <elitas> hello, deb replaced-url
• 587[08:21:08] <elitas> what repository should i change to ?
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• 592[08:22:27] <aloo_shu> archive.debian.org and no more updates, just wheezy, afaik
• 593[08:24:06] <aloo_shu> -backports and -backports-sloppy also there, I guess
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• 632[08:51:51] <jelly> elitas: wheezy is gone. If you cannot plan for an upgrade from debian 7 to 8, and from 8 to 9, there's paid support
• 633[08:51:53] <jelly> !elts
• 634[08:51:53] <dpkg> Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see replaced-url
• 635[08:52:31] <jelly> !ado
• 636[08:52:31] <dpkg> Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at replaced-url
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• 675[09:09:07] <nidhoegger> Hi, I have a problem with debian buster (I need buster as my hardware is too new for stretch): I need to use my webcam, which is some generic notebook model that should work with uvcvideo, but all I get is a black image. I get some errors in dmesg about Extensions not beeing initializted and guvcview will give me that the resource is temporarly unavailable...
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• 677[09:09:30] <nidhoegger> from what Ive read in ubuntu forums its a bug that was fixed that renders newer uvc drivers unusable with some tools
• 678[09:09:34] <nidhoegger> is there any workaround?
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• 694[09:16:03] <diogenes_> nidhoegger, have you tried this test? replaced-url
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• 696[09:16:20] <diogenes_> ff recommended
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• 698[09:17:09] <nidhoegger> diogenes_, it does not work in skype, it does not work in guvcview, it does not work in cheese
• 699[09:17:18] <nidhoegger> so I assume that it wont work in the browser as well
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• 702[09:19:09] <nidhoegger> checked anyways: it does not work
• 703[09:19:22] <nidhoegger> LED lights up, image is black
• 704[09:19:23] <nidhoegger> thats it
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• 706[09:20:03] <diogenes_> nidhoegger, i'd try some latest live sessions of ubuntu, xubuntu and mx linux
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• 708[09:20:57] <nidhoegger> diogenes_, I do not see how this would fix the bug in my debian installation... I have no intent on using ubuntu or mxlinux
• 709[09:21:05] <nidhoegger> in windows the cam works, so its not a hardware issue
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• 714[09:23:26] <diogenes_> i mean if is works in one of those distros the you could din and see the packages they use or patches etc.
• 715[09:23:44] <diogenes_> dig*
• 716[09:24:10] <nidhoegger> i already installed the neweest uvcvideo driver from git with the same issue
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• 718[09:24:35] <nidhoegger> as my hardware is fairly new and it was PITA to get to work with linux I guess that ubuntu would not run out of the box
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• 721[09:25:48] <diogenes_> latest mx 18.2 could be a shot but no guaratee.
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• 725[09:26:54] <diogenes_> maybe it's even included in their custom kernel
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• 729[09:27:24] <nidhoegger> as guessed: ubuntu is totally borked
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• 732[09:28:22] <jelly> nidhoegger: the best thing to do report a bug and help finding the newest kernel where things still worked
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• 739[09:31:47] <aloo_shu> nidhoegger: similar idea: what would be the oldest kernel buster would still accept
• 740[09:32:25] <nidhoegger> dunno, how can I downgrade?
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• 743[09:33:23] <aloo_shu> just check the list of linux-image pkgs available
• 744[09:33:32] <nidhoegger> kk, sec
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• 746[09:33:38] <aloo_shu> eg in synaptic, aptitude
• 747[09:33:48] <themill> there will only be one in buster
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• 751[09:36:31] <jelly> nidhoegger: you can use snapshot.debian.org to find older kernel builds from Debian for get a rough point, but after that you might have to bisect your own kernel builds
• 752[09:36:44] <jelly> s/for/to/
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• 757[09:39:04] <aloo_shu> themill: ok, then where is the info for what kernels a debian release can run on? I once had the problem when choosing a release for a chroot with the kernel given by the host system, and found only sparse and approximate info
• 758[09:39:49] <themill> I know of no minimum kernel for buster. (There will be one, but it is likely older than jessie)
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• 764[09:43:30] <aloo_shu> that's exactly the type of info I found - 'X will likely still work' 'I've tried Y no issues so far', although sometimes there are hard limits, syscalls only introduced in Z
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• 768[09:48:32] <aloo_shu> but why, you could try that, nidhoegger , chroot into your buster from any stretch or jessie live session (although if your new hardware tends to be a pita, not sure if that works)
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• 771[09:49:40] <aloo_shu> maybe it works just good enough to test the webcam
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• 818[10:24:36] <ueb> hello
• 819[10:25:08] <ueb> I've got a problem with a java client that should connect through SSL to a webserver
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• 821[10:26:14] <ueb> the connection works on a server, and does not work on another. both client servers are Debian and on same network
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• 846[10:49:47] <ueb> curl fails to GET through SSL connection, one one server it works on another NOT
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• 853[10:53:25] <ueb> curl is using TLSv1.2 on the server where it works, on the other SSLv3 TLS handshake
• 854[10:53:32] <ueb> maybe the problem related to this?
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• 875[11:08:05] <therussian> So, who here is really autistic?
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• 881[11:09:01] <colo-work> this banhammer is swift and just!
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• 920[11:30:30] <fling> Is there a command for reinstalling all the packages owning files from a list?
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• 924[11:40:52] <EdePopede> fling: if you mean with files things like `/bin/bash` then you can `dpkg -l $file` to get the package name and create a package list
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• 926[11:41:34] <EdePopede> erm. no. `dpkg -S $file`
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• 929[11:46:25] <fling> EdePopede: thanks
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• 936[11:54:51] <Eiku> Hello, I came here because I experienced a bug (system freeze after unmounting & removal of external USB HDD) but in the bugreport application I am not sure what package I should assign it to
• 937[11:55:22] <Eiku> I am also wondering whether this bug might already have been reported – I am afraid of creating a duplicate in the tracker.
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• 945[11:59:28] <rant> i had a similar issue.. care to elaborate?
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• 947[12:01:00] <rant> Eiku: ^
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• 949[12:01:19] <Eiku> I am using Debian Stretch
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• 951[12:02:09] <rant> Eiku: ok.. and was this a USB3 drive (using xhci) what DE? How SPECIFICALLY did you "unmount" it? Was it encrypted? What fs? etc
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• 953[12:02:23] <Eiku> Often, when I remove my external hard drive (in general I use the "eject" symbol in thunar), everything is fine, but once I remove the usb plug physically, the whole system freezes
• 954[12:02:28] <rant> How was it mounted? Automatically (gvfsd)?
• 955[12:02:35] <Eiku> Yes, automatically
• 956[12:02:58] <Eiku> I don’t know if the USB port is USB3, but I doubt it, my computer would be too old I guess.
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• 958[12:03:17] <shtrb> did you get a hard freeze (caps lock not responding for example) or software freeze but sysrq worked for you ?
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• 960[12:03:26] <Eiku> There is no blue poka yoke inside the USB port (whether it is an indicator I don’t know).
• 961[12:03:47] <rant> For me it was an LUKS encrypted ext4 Western Digital Passport 1TB drive on USB3 (xhci) and automounted with gvfsd and when I would choose "safely remove" from caja (MATE) the whole system would lock up hard and the cpu fan would kick on full blast
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• 967[12:04:37] <rant> if I'd unmount it, it was fine, only using the "safely remove" caused the issue
• 968[12:04:43] <Eiku> shtrb: sysrq > is that the Ctrl+Alt+backspace thing? I did try that to no avail.
• 969[12:05:07] <rant> Eiku: sysrq is sysrq.. as in the sysrq key
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• 971[12:05:42] <rant> and in my experience even sysrq was non-responsive and even trying an acpi power down via the power button failed
• 972[12:05:56] <Eiku> oh ok, I don’t have a sysrq key (or at least it is not labelled so).
• 973[12:06:08] <shtrb> Eiku, it's a button on your keyboard (could be name PrtScn only)
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• 975[12:06:19] <shtrb> !sysrq
• 976[12:06:20] <dpkg> rumour has it, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See replaced-url
• 977[12:06:20] <rant> Eiku: not all keyboards label it, but its typically the PrtSc button
• 978[12:06:21] <Eiku> Well, I do have Print Screen
• 979[12:06:38] <Eiku> ok :)
• 980[12:06:49] <shtrb> Eiku, ^
• 981[12:06:54] <rant> Eiku: Alt+PrtSc+K should kill everything and land you back at your login screen it typically works even when SHTF
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• 984[12:07:27] <rant> its called a SAK or Sysrq Kill
• 985[12:07:44] <rant> one of many sysrq commands
• 986[12:08:06] <Eiku> OK, I will try this next time I get this freeze issue!
• 987[12:08:31] <rant> for me it was not routinely reproducible.. if I tried just booting, plugging it in and going to safely remove, it worked..
• 988[12:08:43] <rant> it was only after using the drive a bit that it caused the issue
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• 991[12:09:37] <rant> I never filed a bug cause I couldnt narrow it down enough to file a bug.. I have NFC what was causing it and the problem went away.. I switched from an x240 to a T440 and never had the issue on here
• 992[12:09:47] <Eiku> I didn’t investigate enough to be sure whether I am in the same pattern…
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• 996[12:10:47] <shtrb> don't you dare blame a t440, there are no problems in t440 !
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• 998[12:11:36] <rant> yes well there are a lot of moving parts there.. hardware (USB bus, USB enclosure, disk), the kernel (USB drivers, fs driver), the disk (fs, cache both HW and SW, etc), the software (automounter daemon, file manager, etc)
• 999[12:12:11] <rant> shtrb: all the *40 series Lenovo Thinkpads suck but I only had this issue on the X240
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• 1001[12:12:38] <Eiku> I hope the issue is not hardware-specific because my computer model is probably not a largely used one (it’s one of DELL’s everything’s-inside-the-screen ones).
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• 1004[12:13:06] <rant> shtrb: I am fortunate the kid I traded for this T440, he decked it out, put in a 3 button touchpad, 1080p screen, 68+ battery, m.2 SSD, 8GB ram..
• 1005[12:13:50] <rant> Eiku: well hearing you having a similar issue makes me think this has a common denominator
• 1006[12:14:25] <rant> Eiku: you still haven't said enough for me to figure out what all those common denominators are.. what is the FS, is it encrypted, what kind of drive is it?
• 1007[12:14:37] <shtrb> rant, #d-o
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• 1009[12:15:03] <rant> we know so far we both used stretch, so same kernel, both were using gvfsd..
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• 1011[12:15:21] <shtrb> there was an xhci bug a while ago
• 1012[12:15:33] <shtrb> but it will lock usb only and not the entire system
• 1013[12:15:35] <rant> yes but this user doesnt think they have xhci
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• 1015[12:15:58] <rant> in my case it was def xhci.. the *40 series has USB3
• 1016[12:16:00] <Eiku> It is a seagate “expansion” 2.5'' USB 3.0 drive with 1 To; I splitted it into ext3 and fat32.
• 1017[12:16:27] <rant> ok, so both are USB3 drives, different brands and fs
• 1018[12:16:28] <Eiku> No encryption… and it is (probably) plugged to a USB2 port.
• 1019[12:16:38] <rant> Eiku: using a USB3 cable?
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• 1022[12:16:56] <Eiku> I would hope so as it is the cable they sold me with the drive :)
• 1023[12:16:57] <rant> USB3 has extra pins and is typically labelled SS
• 1024[12:17:16] <Eiku> Right, “SS” clearly visible on the plug.
• 1025[12:17:18] <rant> if you look it has more than the standard 4 pins in the cable.. there is a 2nd row of pins
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• 1027[12:17:39] <rant> they are USUALLY blue, but thats not always the case
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• 1029[12:17:59] <Eiku> Yes, the cable connector has a bright blue plastic part inside.
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• 1031[12:18:35] <rant> Eiku: (uname -r;lsmod | grep hci;lsusb)|nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1034[12:19:50] <rant> Eiku: should give you something like this replaced-url
• 1035[12:19:55] <kanliot> rant, does termbin.com:9999 actually work with that? Dumb question but that's kind of awesome
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• 1037[12:20:30] <rant> kanliot: termbin is designed specifically to work with netcat, yes
• 1038[12:20:37] <kanliot> :)
• 1039[12:20:43] <Eiku> wow
• 1040[12:20:58] <Eiku> So here’s mine: replaced-url
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• 1042[12:22:24] <Eiku> I’m sorry, I’ll have to leave for an hour or so… Thanks for all – I’ll be back later.
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• 1044[12:22:34] <rant> Eiku: looks to be intel and same hub, and is showing USB3 though that doesnt necessarily mean you have USB3 ports
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• 1046[12:23:55] <rant> this is beginning to sound like an xhci bug possibly related to intel
• 1047[12:24:27] <rant> and IIRC I could make it happen with thumbdrives too
• 1048[12:25:09] <rant> but it had to be in use for awhile, couldnt just mount and remove and get it to lock up.. had to actually get the buffers going
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• 1051[12:26:19] <kanliot> so which has more black magic innit, USB, or bluetooth
• 1052[12:26:28] <at0m> rant: noticed with floppy /dev/fd0 last week, that it didn't sync until long time after. umount would refuse cos "device busy", and even "sync" didn't flush the buffers often
• 1053[12:27:07] <kanliot> yeah, i've had unmounting issues all year
• 1054[12:27:07] <at0m> that's buster^ though, not sure how it would work on stable. but i don't expect much changes in floppy stuff
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• 1057[12:27:44] <rant> yeah that sounds like an entirely different issue, in my case selecting "safely remove" in cache deadlocked the machine and seemed to send the CPU into some kinda loop cause the cpu fan kicked on full blast
• 1058[12:28:16] <rant> and this other user is saying the remove, hitting the "eject" button in thunar worked, but it was upon unplugging the drive that it was locking up
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• 1063[12:28:31] <rant> for me it was locking up before unplugging it
• 1064[12:28:31] <kanliot> ok
• 1065[12:29:17] <rant> kanliot: bluetooth is obviously more complex.. its wireless and has authentication and such
• 1066[12:29:43] <rant> there is wireless usb, though I've never seen it
• 1067[12:29:56] <kanliot> what about PCI over usb
• 1068[12:30:10] <rant> never heard of that
• 1069[12:30:12] <kanliot> and displayport DRM over usb
• 1070[12:30:25] <kanliot> ehh, i might be wrong
• 1071[12:30:31] <kanliot> i'm just trying to stump u
• 1072[12:31:29] <rant> in fact in my case if I just pulled the plug out or unmounted, it was fine.. it was only clicking that "safely remove" that would lock it up
• 1073[12:31:59] <rant> and idk what safely remove does in caja but I'd guess it flushes cache and probably attempts to remove the disk from the bus
• 1074[12:32:38] <at0m> safely remove would be just umount, maybe sync before that
• 1075[12:32:41] <kanliot> i thought it would work like sudo eject
• 1076[12:33:34] <rant> there was no way I could see to get more info cause it was totally locking the system up so I couldnt really observe it, and I couldnt regularly reproduce it
• 1077[12:33:43] <kanliot> and oddly sudo eject works, but doing su, then eject won't work
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• 1079[12:34:20] <at0m> sudo doesn't change many env variables. su has all env like root
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• 1081[12:34:48] <kanliot> i thought it was that they are removing udev rules for the root user
• 1082[12:35:14] <__m4ch1n3__> the device will not physically jump out of the hub on eject:3
• 1083[12:35:25] <rant> the common denominators in both these reports is use of gvfsd and the stretch kernel.. and possibly USB3.. we aren't certain if the other user was actually using USB3 or not.. their device was USB3, and their system reports a USB3 hub.. but we dont know for certain they had it connected to a USB3 port
• 1084[12:36:12] <rant> in their case it was removing the drive physically that caused it, not the ejecting from thunar.. in my case it was the safely removing in caja that caused it.. so it could be cache related
• 1085[12:36:39] <rant> cause I did observe unmounting a recently mounted drive had no issues (i.e. when no caching had been done yet)
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• 1087[12:39:11] <rant> though I haven't had the issue since I switched to this T440 so.. idk.. I took the 128GB ssd from the X240 and put it in here.. same install, and the HW is similar enough..
• 1088[12:39:34] <rant> same cpu so.. same USB afaik
• 1089[12:39:56] <rant> afaik the Core i5 4300U has the USB controller on the cpu
• 1090[12:41:10] <kanliot> well it could be electrical
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• 1092[12:41:27] <kanliot> usb sockets aren't 100% the same
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• 1097[12:45:41] <pie_> hi folks, is there a way to get a deb file off of replaced-url
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• 1100[12:48:41] <kanliot> pie_, can you find the same package on the debian website?
• 1101[12:49:07] <pie_> no I havent been able to find it
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• 1103[12:49:52] <kanliot> let me look
• 1104[12:49:54] <pie_> kanliot, Im looking for replaced-url
• 1105[12:50:39] <pie_> gotta run, be back in a half hour or hour or so
• 1106[12:53:14] <kanliot> pie_, try this pls
• 1107[12:53:15] <kanliot> replaced-url
• 1108[12:54:13] <rant> there is no package called "
• 1109[12:54:21] <rant> "nix" in any branch of debian
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• 1111[12:55:39] <kanliot> Source: replaced-url
• 1112[12:57:19] <rant> yes well the debianized source is on salsa replaced-url
• 1113[12:57:25] <rant> but its not been accepted yet
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• 1115[12:57:47] <rant> and shouldnt be because it has numerous policy violations
• 1116[12:57:48] <kanliot> what is salsa
• 1117[12:58:13] <rant> its a topping/dip made with tomatoes :P
• 1118[12:58:23] <rant> dpkg, what is salsa?
• 1119[12:58:23] <dpkg> salsa.debian.org is the git repository system for Debian's teams. It was migrated from Alioth. See replaced-url
• 1120[12:58:31] <kanliot> oh hell
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• 1122[12:59:47] <rant> its also a form of latin dance
• 1123[13:00:09] <kanliot> the bot was more personable, thanks :)
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• 1125[13:01:23] <rant> dpkg, what is a person?
• 1126[13:01:23] <dpkg> rumour has it, person is like a bot, but squishier
• 1127[13:02:05] <kanliot> dpkg, what are you?
• 1128[13:02:05] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
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• 1190[13:58:17] <pie_> rant, the link i posted has a file with the name .deb though
• 1191[13:58:23] <pie_> not that i have any idea how that thing works
• 1192[14:00:51] <krion> jelly: remember my "why gpgv, won't unattended-upgrade ?"
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• 1201[14:09:17] <CrystalMath> hi all
• 1202[14:09:23] <CrystalMath> why is premake5 not in sid yet?
• 1203[14:10:41] <shtrb> !debian-next
• 1204[14:10:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1206[14:11:06] <CrystalMath> oh oops
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• 1208[14:11:32] <CrystalMath> yes i forgot about that channel
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• 1215[14:14:36] <speefak> hello, can anyone tell me how i can write the output of an command ( e.g. sleep 10 & ) to a file or var ?
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• 1218[14:14:52] <speefak> i get the PID but no redirection to var or file works
• 1219[14:14:52] <etraga> Hi! Does anyone knows if there is recent changes on iptables? I setup a new server as I normally do with my iptables firewall shell script, but nothing to do: when I run my script I'm drop from server. My SSH server is on alternative port
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• 1221[14:15:28] <speefak> sleep 10 & &> PID_FILE doen work
• 1222[14:15:44] <etraga> I open ssh port with iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport mysshport -j ACCEPT
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• 1225[14:16:11] <LeandroLuiz> etraga: I think you need to check your rules again, maybe flush everything first, then open your ssh port
• 1226[14:16:20] <LeandroLuiz> and check the rest of the rules
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• 1229[14:17:52] <etraga> LeandroLuiz: here is the first lines of my script replaced-url
• 1230[14:18:05] <etraga> LeandroLuiz: I clean all before
• 1231[14:19:29] <LeandroLuiz> try to test out every line
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• 1250[14:34:20] <etraga> LeandroLuiz: it seems my server use NBD protocol, do you know this? Which port I need to open?
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• 1252[14:37:38] <LeandroLuiz> etraga: netstat -a
• 1253[14:37:43] <LeandroLuiz> nbd is like nfs
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• 1256[14:40:25] <jelly> etraga: nbd uses a single tcp connection and a single port, but you'll have to look at configuration of nbd server to see which one
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• 1266[14:45:29] <ws2k3> im trying to send syslog from a unix socket to kafka replaced-url
• 1267[14:46:40] <jelly> what's that, rsyslog?
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• 1273[14:50:07] <ws2k3> jelly yes rsyslog
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• 1275[14:50:53] <krion> i wonder if there is a way i can simulate a dist-upgrade using a single sources.list file (security) ?
• 1276[14:51:07] <kanliot> speefak
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• 1279[14:52:46] <themill> krion: unattended-upgrades does this with some rather fancy acrobatics
• 1280[14:53:11] <jelly> krion: remove everything else from sources.list temporarily, run apt-get with -s / --dry-run, put it back?
• 1281[14:53:43] <krion> well, it must be automatic, my goal is to count it and send the result to zabbix
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• 1288[14:56:34] <themill> krion: apt list --upgradable might be enough for you
• 1289[14:56:44] <krion> I try apt-get -o Dir::Etc::SourceParts=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/security dist-upgrade -s
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• 1293[14:57:39] <krion> themill: well I want to specific list security
• 1294[14:57:57] <krion> i could grep Security, but I was hoping a more elegant way using -o from apt
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• 1297[14:58:35] <towc> hey all! Anyone got a clue on how to run checkinstall without asking for input?
• 1298[14:59:07] <krion> jelly: and the answer of "why it doesnt update gpgv or libc6" is
• 1299[14:59:10] <towc> putting some docker stuff in a CI, and this particular one is asking for various things
• 1300[14:59:24] <towc> it turns out you can prevent it from asking for docs with `--nodoc`
• 1301[14:59:29] <towc> but that's about as far as I got
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• 1304[14:59:52] <supernets> omg i shit my pants
• 1305[14:59:52] <krion> security repository has a higher priority than default repo, and it try to downgrade gpgv, but still flag it as security (since it downgrade from main repo to security repo)
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• 1307[14:59:57] <supernets> emilsp: hello
• 1308[14:59:58] <towc> there's a mention of a `/etc/checkinstallrc`, but not sure if it contains enough for me to do it in batch mode
• 1309[14:59:59] <krion> omg my english's so bad
• 1310[14:59:59] <supernets> !ops
• 1311[15:00:00] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
• 1312[15:00:03] <supernets> i poo myself
• 1313[15:00:10] <supernets> !ops negros eat my dick
• 1314[15:00:10] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: supernets complains about a problem (see above)
• 1315[15:00:12] <supernets> lol dongs
• 1316[15:00:13] <supernets> poop
• 1317[15:00:15] <supernets> pooooooop
• 1318[15:00:17] <supernets> crapp
• 1319[15:00:19] <supernets> pooooooooo
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• 1322[15:00:30] <supernets> wtf stupid bot
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• 1324[15:00:34] <krion> (wow people are so bored)
• 1325[15:00:42] <supernets> ikr?
• 1326[15:00:54] <supernets> how ya doin homie?
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• 1328[15:01:13] <towc> weird human
• 1329[15:01:27] <EdePopede> heh, the nicks says it all
• 1330[15:01:38] <krion> they could at least implement markov chain, would be more fun
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• 1333[15:01:49] <jelly> !next
• 1334[15:01:49] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1336[15:02:16] <towc> or rather, does anyone know if there's a better place to ask about checkinstall?
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• 1357[15:17:36] <towc> turns out there's an undocumented `-y` flag that just accepts everything
• 1358[15:17:41] <towc> convenient, just wish it was documented
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• 1370[15:19:45] <krion> looks like settings a higher priority for security repo than main repo is a mistake
• 1371[15:20:02] <krion> since it will downgrade package
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• 1373[15:20:12] <krion> Are you ok with my affirmation ? ;)
• 1374[15:20:42] <krion> :vsplit
• 1375[15:20:52] <krion> (oops, sorry)
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• 1378[15:23:29] <jelly> !wayttd krion
• 1379[15:23:29] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do, krion?
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• 1387[15:27:42] <raidghost> To run applications as a .service in debian, i thought that was the way to do it propperly
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• 1389[15:28:12] <raidghost> But, i was wrong. The application works perfect as a app.service as long as i dont do a restart of the app in web interface
• 1390[15:28:24] <krion> try to fix and understand what's going on why the configuration at my work jelly ;)
• 1391[15:28:57] <krion> replaced-url
• 1392[15:29:41] <krion> they have mirrored security.d.o, they use snapshot
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• 1394[15:30:22] <krion> so when i do apt-get dist-upgrade -s, libc6 is flagged as Security but it will in fact downgrade from snapshot version to security debian version
• 1395[15:30:50] <Tenkawa> krion: you did apt-get update first right?
• 1396[15:30:59] <jelly> krion: why are you using pin priorities above 999?
• 1397[15:31:45] <jelly> alternatively, why are you using pinning at all?
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• 1401[15:32:54] <jelly> krion: and where's a matching snapshot of the main mirror next to that stretch/updates snapshot?
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• 1409[15:38:33] <luna> Voted for DPL 2019 :)
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• 1424[15:45:14] <krion> I I I, told you, it's already in place :))
• 1425[15:45:38] <krion> matching snapshot ?
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• 1427[15:45:51] <krion> Tenkawa: yes, but still
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• 1434[15:49:18] <Tenkawa> krion: just making sure you ran update so the cache was update
• 1435[15:49:30] <Tenkawa> I didnt ask the other questions
• 1436[15:49:43] <Tenkawa> er updated
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• 1438[15:50:19] <jelly> krion: your last pastebin does not show any main mirror or main mirror snapshot enabled
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• 1440[15:51:01] <krion> jelly: hum, replaced-url
• 1441[15:51:17] <krion> (oh, it ends by Seo)
• 1442[15:51:31] <jelly> oh, right, sorry
• 1443[15:51:32] <krion> oh, mirror, ok
• 1444[15:51:51] <jelly> the snapshot is a snapshot of main repo. That's fine.
• 1445[15:52:06] <krion> jelly: but you're right, we're mirroring snapshot, so it should appear too
• 1446[15:52:19] <krion> I disagree with the use of snapshot
• 1447[15:52:31] <krion> so I don't really enjoy my task right now
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• 1450[15:52:43] <jelly> krion: now go read apt_preferences(5) again, with a focus on "How APT Interprets Priorities"
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• 1455[15:54:21] <jelly> (apt does what you told it to do, with those priorities >= 1000)
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• 1457[15:55:38] <krion> yes, thanks, answer my question
• 1458[15:56:23] <krion> I will not show the result of apt policy right now then, cause I kinda like you, don't want to hurt you
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• 1465[15:59:23] <krion> do you thin than a snapshoted package version can be lesser than a security package version ?
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• 1485[16:10:36] <jelly> krion: you should not rely on either versions from security repo being >= than main repo, or otherwise. Configure apt to treat main and security repo the same, and pick the greatest version regardless of which from the two it comes from
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• 1488[16:10:56] <jelly> avoid fucking with pinning
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• 1490[16:12:54] <Tenkawa> yeah... pinning is not to be messed with if you are not a developer or trying to keep an "EXACT" version of an environment in my opinion.. anyone think I'm way out there on that one?
• 1491[16:13:15] <jelly> if you do not want to show your apt output in public, I'm available for consulting for reasonable hourly rates :->
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• 1495[16:14:33] * Tenkawa spent many years as a build integrator and knows the quandaries of version controlling
• 1496[16:15:35] <jhutchins_wk> Pinning was sometimes useful pre-etch, but mixed releases have been a Bad Idea since then.
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• 1499[16:16:13] <Tenkawa> justthedoctor: you werent here for the conversation though
• 1500[16:16:20] <Tenkawa> oops jhutchins_wk
• 1501[16:16:28] <justthedoctor> lol
• 1502[16:16:28] <justthedoctor> ok
• 1503[16:16:31] <Tenkawa> you'd need to see the contrxt
• 1504[16:16:36] <Tenkawa> er context
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• 1508[16:17:37] <Tenkawa> jhutchins_wk: read the channel log a bit before you joined
• 1509[16:17:50] <Tenkawa> if its made it up to the archive
• 1510[16:18:06] <krion> jelly: hahaha, i've myself reasonable daily rate ;) it's more that I don't want to hurt your feelings
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• 1512[16:18:26] <krion> jelly: thanks again for your great help, in the FOSS spirit
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• 1514[16:19:02] <krion> jelly: you know I chat more in the way of the rubberduck debugging, talking help me progress in my thinking
• 1515[16:19:28] <krion> (although pointer like "How APT Interprets Priorities" hugely helps
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• 1523[16:23:47] <jelly> \_o<
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• 1541[16:37:30] <wwilliam> My be not a debian question but is running from a debian box , why this works from command line but not from script?
• 1542[16:37:34] <wwilliam> screen -d -m -S ny bash -c "cd $wdir && sshfs -o password_stdin $user@$host:$nydir $nymntpnt <<< $pword && find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '*$jid*' -exec cp -v -- {} $nydest \;; exec bash"
• 1543[16:37:37] <wwilliam> Thank you.
• 1544[16:38:15] <wwilliam> suppose to be 3 results it only gets 1
• 1545[16:38:23] <wwilliam> with the script
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• 1547[16:38:41] <wwilliam> running from the command line it gets all 3
• 1548[16:40:51] <jelly> wwilliam: where are wdir and other variables defined? Are you running the script in the same shell interpreter used for your interactive shell?
• 1549[16:41:12] <wwilliam> hold on paste coming.....
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• 1551[16:42:13] <jelly> what is that final "exec bash" supposed to do?
• 1552[16:42:55] <wwilliam> prevent the screen killing.. fount that on the internet works
• 1553[16:43:02] <wwilliam> OK im an idiot as always
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• 1556[16:43:15] <wwilliam> i had to find in "$mountpoint"
• 1557[16:43:18] <wwilliam> not on .
• 1558[16:43:56] <Ingvix> I'm trying to build a patched kernel and a kernel in general for the first time and I have no idea what I have done wrong to get these errors replaced-url
• 1559[16:44:14] <Ingvix> any help would be appreciated
• 1560[16:44:40] <Ingvix> I tried to follow instructions in here replaced-url
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• 1565[16:47:08] <jelly> wwilliam: hopefully this is just a subset of some script and you take care to unmount all those sshfs afterwards
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• 1567[16:47:43] <wwilliam> yes fusermount -u "$mountpt"
• 1568[16:47:50] <wwilliam> Thank you jelly
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• 1571[16:48:07] <Tenkawa> bbialw...time for lunch
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• 1602[17:03:08] <Ingvix> or is there a better channel to ask abour kernel building?
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• 1606[17:05:30] <karlpinc> Ingvix: If you're building a kernel for debian the debian wiki has a page.
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• 1617[17:08:36] <jelly> Ingvix: #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net might have mode ideas about buster issues right now
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• 1620[17:09:10] <jelly> I'd just do what the error message told me, add those file paths to some ignore list
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• 1625[17:10:53] <Ingvix> jelly, yes, I already asked there but have yet to recieved an answer so I though in the mean time to ask here as well. I don't have much experience on editing what ever I've build from sources so I have no idea to what ignore list should I add them
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• 1631[17:14:03] <jelly> Ingvix: line 59 is somewhat insightful even if you have little idea of how debian package building from source works
• 1632[17:14:07] <jelly> line 49
• 1633[17:15:11] <Ingvix> oh, right... I guess I should've read a bit more carefully
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• 1664[17:41:02] <jmabsd> booting the installer from UEFI, how do I create an MBR partitioning table and install altogether as BIOS=non-UEFI?
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• 1666[17:41:41] <ctr> hey im installing debian
• 1667[17:41:49] <ctr> an got a stage where i press enter
• 1668[17:41:53] <ctr> an i can't move forward
• 1669[17:42:01] <ctr> it just toggles the option
• 1670[17:42:11] <ctr> is there some other button or shortcut ?
• 1671[17:42:14] <ctr> to press continue
• 1672[17:42:17] <ctr> the mouse does not work
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• 1674[17:43:34] <ctr> plug in a mouse?
• 1675[17:43:53] <diogenes_> jmabsd, just disable uefi in bios and it will boot in legacy mode.
• 1676[17:44:06] <jmabsd> diogenes_: i cannot, this is an unusual copmuter
• 1677[17:44:45] <LtL> ctr: try spacebar
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• 1679[17:44:55] <diogenes_> ctr, it should work, what stage u reached?
• 1680[17:45:14] <jmabsd> diogenes_: so i need MBR/bios install for practical reasons, even while the installer booted via EFI.
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• 1682[17:45:27] <ctr> spacebar just toggles it
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• 1684[17:45:32] <ctr> software selectino
• 1685[17:45:42] <ctr> it just toggles say standard system utilities
• 1686[17:45:50] <ctr> same with enter
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• 1690[17:46:32] <th0r> ctr, try Tab?
• 1691[17:46:42] <ctr> oooo
• 1692[17:46:51] <ctr> yeah tab toggles whether enter works
• 1693[17:46:52] <ctr> thanks
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• 1695[17:47:24] <diogenes_> jmabsd, even Linus Torvalds was struggling to get linux running on mac :) he failed.
• 1696[17:47:41] <jmabsd> diogenes_: this is probably an easier machine
• 1697[17:47:52] <jmabsd> around 2008 indeed they made some very complicated computers, 32bit efi.
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• 1712[17:56:28] <jmabsd> maybe i could just use some fdisk tool to wrap the Debian installer's GPT partition table to an MBR one, and then run Grub and be done with it? :o
• 1713[17:56:53] <ctr> hey guys is there a setup for the account in installation
• 1714[17:56:58] <ctr> i can't remember
• 1715[17:57:02] <ctr> cause i can't login
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• 1717[17:57:11] <ctr> can't remember remember putting in the user
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• 1719[17:57:24] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: you could do the install "by yourself"
• 1720[17:57:35] <ctr> would the user name be hte computer name?
• 1721[17:57:51] <ctr> well this sucks
• 1722[17:57:53] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: create an msdos partition table, create partitions, mkfs them, mount them, debootstrap into that environment, chroot in, set up fstab, install grub, etc
• 1723[17:57:59] <ctr> i have to reinstall?
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• 1725[17:58:40] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS: the "by myself" install would require me to go through chapters of configuration work that the installer normally does for me though, wouldn't it
• 1726[17:58:46] <diogenes_> ctr, reboot and when reach grub, hit e and append single to the end of grub linux line
• 1727[17:58:50] <th0r> ctr, you can boot into single mode, set a password for root, log in as root, and define users and passwords
• 1728[17:59:02] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: some of them, yes. though it's not that complicated. I have a PR that fixes `restic find` aborting when a tree can't be loaded. Instead it will show you the tree ID and the snapshot it's looking in, the implication being that if you forget the snapshot, the tree isn't needed anymore.
• 1729[17:59:07] <SerajewelKS> If you want to test it to try to fix your repository, you can build this branch: replaced-url
• 1730[17:59:15] <SerajewelKS> ugh. not what i thought was on the clipboard. let me try again.
• 1731[17:59:19] <ctr> im pretty noob just to clarify grub is like terminal command line right
• 1732[17:59:27] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: some of them, yes. though it's not that complicated. replaced-url
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• 1734[17:59:39] <diogenes_> ctr, grub is the menu that you see when booting the system
• 1735[17:59:50] <ctr> thanks
• 1736[17:59:57] <diogenes_> yw
• 1737[17:59:59] <ctr> just thought useful to learn
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• 1741[18:00:52] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: the install CD should have debootstrap already so you can skip D.3.2
• 1742[18:00:57] <YorkshireGold> /msg YorkshireGold REGISTER jamesbrown g.owden@gmail.com
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• 1744[18:01:10] <YorkshireGold> !
• 1745[18:01:12] <SerajewelKS> nice
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• 1748[18:01:27] <kevinnn> Does anyone know how to disable tty1-6?
• 1749[18:01:44] <kevinnn> I had it working for a while through modifying logind.conf
• 1750[18:02:02] <kevinnn> but I upgraded to buster and that solution stopped working
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• 1753[18:02:53] <ksk> YorkshireGold: welcome to irc :P
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• 1758[18:03:09] <YorkshireGold> Hello! Im a bit lost ;-/
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• 1760[18:03:25] <YorkshireGold> Im looking for the offsec channel
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• 1762[18:04:14] <ksk> if you need help with (Freenode) irc, please go to help. message the bot "alis" to get information about channels, like so "/query alis help"
• 1763[18:04:53] <ksk> eh, #help of course. This here is #debian, and we try to answer debian linux related questions ;)
• 1764[18:04:53] <obsview> YorkshireGold, try /msg nickserv instead
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• 1766[18:05:51] <jmabsd> of how much use is it to reinstall a system to only get 0.1 higher version e.g. 9.7 to 9.8 upgrade?
• 1767[18:06:05] <ctr> is grub before or after crypt setup
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• 1769[18:06:28] <YorkshireGold> Thanks ksk
• 1770[18:06:33] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: no use, especially considering that you can "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
• 1771[18:07:07] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: the point releases are, IIRC, just newer versions of the DVD set with updated packages. if you keep the packages up to date then you don't need them.
• 1772[18:07:10] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS: doing update + upgrade gets me the very same thing as 0.1 upgrade?
• 1773[18:07:32] <jmabsd> so 9.x keeps same kernel version and basic system layout?
• 1774[18:07:38] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: yes, and before the updated DVD set is released
• 1775[18:07:53] <diogenes_> ctr, at the end of linux line add: rw single
• 1776[18:07:59] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: the point releases are created periodically from the updates that have been released since the prior point release
• 1777[18:08:01] <diogenes_> remove ro
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• 1779[18:08:11] <SerajewelKS> so if you're installing updates on a regular basis then you're _ahead_ of the point releases anyway
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• 1781[18:08:28] <YorkshireGold> quit
• 1782[18:08:32] <ctr> linux line ? sorry i type in crypt pass an it just goes straight to gui
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• 1784[18:08:40] <jmabsd> SerajewelKS: thanks a lot for clarifying!
• 1785[18:09:07] <SerajewelKS> jmabsd: np. FWIW you can upgrade major releases without reinstalling as well.
• 1786[18:09:09] <ctr> oh wait i found it
• 1787[18:09:56] <diogenes_> ctr, turn off pc and start it again and hold doen shift key
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• 1789[18:10:12] <kevinnn> anyone have any ideas on my question?
• 1790[18:10:16] <ctr> i found grub
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• 1792[18:10:29] <ctr> so i go to the end of all the commands an enter single?
• 1793[18:10:56] <diogenes_> the end of linux line
• 1794[18:11:12] <ctr> the linux line is all the random information in grub right
• 1795[18:11:17] <diogenes_> read what i said earlier
• 1796[18:11:20] <ctr> oh i see
• 1797[18:11:23] <ctr> linux line
• 1798[18:11:48] <ctr> at the end of that i type single?
• 1799[18:12:10] <ctr> maybe i should stick to mint
• 1800[18:12:13] <diogenes_> ctr, first remove ro
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• 1803[18:12:27] <diogenes_> and at the end add: rw single
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• 1805[18:12:36] <diogenes_> then ctrl + x
• 1806[18:12:36] <ctr> ok done
• 1807[18:12:46] <ctr> in buttons or text
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• 1809[18:13:01] <diogenes_> key combination
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• 1812[18:14:06] <kevinnn> anyone...
• 1813[18:14:41] <ctr> what do i do now?
• 1814[18:14:44] <ctr> im in gui login
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• 1816[18:16:16] * ctr kicks diogenes barrel
• 1817[18:16:30] <diogenes_> ctr, you shoul not be in gui if you did everyhing right you should be getting commandline
• 1818[18:16:41] <ctr> oh i was
• 1819[18:16:43] <ctr> ok i failed
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• 1821[18:16:48] <ctr> i got out of command
• 1822[18:16:50] <ctr> but pressing shit
• 1823[18:16:51] <ctr> sorry
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• 1826[18:17:05] <ctr> to noob?
• 1827[18:17:10] <diogenes_> and there u go :)
• 1828[18:17:23] <ctr> ok i'll get back to where i was
• 1829[18:17:31] <diogenes_> ok try again and hit me up when u are in commandline
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• 1832[18:19:38] <ctr> did i miss something in gui installation
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• 1834[18:19:44] <ctr> is it always this difficult
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• 1838[18:20:55] <ctr> redoing again
• 1839[18:20:59] <ctr> screwed it up
• 1840[18:21:32] <diogenes_> you did miss creating the user
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• 1842[18:22:37] <ctr> im in terminal it says connnot acess console the root account is locked
• 1843[18:22:46] <ctr> shit did i put an account in when i installed
• 1844[18:22:48] <ctr> maybe idid
• 1845[18:22:58] <ctr> says press enter to continue
• 1846[18:23:01] <ctr> in terminal
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• 1848[18:23:38] <diogenes_> are you in terminal?
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• 1851[18:24:13] <ctr> i pressed enter an went back to gui sorry
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• 1853[18:24:14] <ctr> start again
• 1854[18:24:20] <diogenes_> lol
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• 1857[18:26:06] <ctr> it just goes to crypt password
• 1858[18:26:08] <ctr> i press it
• 1859[18:26:17] <ctr> then it goes to terminal type thing with press enter to continue
• 1860[18:26:24] <ctr> i press enter an it goes back to gui
• 1861[18:26:31] * ctr starts to cut himself
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• 1863[18:27:22] <diogenes_> ctr, ok i'd suggest re-installing.
• 1864[18:27:56] <ctr> so it's true i absent mindly screwed up in installation?
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• 1868[18:29:23] <diogenes_> no one said that, we all used to break our systems at some point.
• 1869[18:29:26] <jelly> ctr: meh, if you can't boot that, boot a livecd/liveusb of any linux, then mount your debian installation and fix things
• 1870[18:30:38] <ctr> so when you install there is no account user setup it always have to happen after installation
• 1871[18:30:56] <jelly> a user account is always created during installation
• 1872[18:31:01] <ctr> oh
• 1873[18:31:14] <ctr> i wasn't paying attention
• 1874[18:31:27] <ctr> would the user name be the computer name?
• 1875[18:31:35] <jelly> it would not
• 1876[18:31:46] <ctr> what would it be automatically?
• 1877[18:32:33] <ctr> i must have choosen i guess
• 1878[18:32:36] <jelly> lowercased first name of the user is proposed after you fill in your first and last name
• 1879[18:32:47] <ctr> i don't remember doing that
• 1880[18:33:08] <ctr> ok resintall
• 1881[18:33:11] <jelly> !ifrp
• 1882[18:33:11] <ctr> thanks for help
• 1883[18:33:11] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 1884[18:33:23] <jelly> oh, you went about that
• 1885[18:33:57] <jelly> it's not too hard to boot a liveusb if you have one around and change passwords from there
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• 1887[18:34:19] <ctr> my barely functioning brain can't handle it tbh
• 1888[18:34:28] <ctr> feel like im having breakdown
• 1889[18:34:31] <ctr> but thats off topic
• 1890[18:34:47] <jelly> take care of yourself first, computer second
• 1891[18:34:48] <ctr> reinstallion seems easier
• 1892[18:35:03] <ctr> good advice
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• 1895[18:37:36] <jelly> there are many ways to break a linux system, but most are reversible
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• 1902[18:45:33] <jhutchins_wk> It's not a bad thing to run the installer more than once and get oriented about what it's doing.
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• 1906[18:47:08] <EdePopede> not to forget its screenshot functionality
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• 1910[18:47:40] <ctr> would there be a defualt user name ?
• 1911[18:47:47] <jelly> there's screenshot functionality?
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• 1913[18:48:16] <ctr> dw im just resintalling
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• 1915[18:49:11] <EdePopede> jelly: yip. i recorded my whole install process. just for the case something goes wrong and to be able to look through it later
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• 1918[18:50:05] <EdePopede> i'm only not sure if i used text or gui mode when i did this
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• 1923[18:52:16] <jhutchins_wk> ctr: There's a default user name on the live image, but that doesn't apply to the installer. Unless you're using preseed/kickstart, it always prompts.
• 1924[18:52:37] <ctr> i went into setup for accounts an users
• 1925[18:52:42] <ctr> theres no option for name
• 1926[18:52:47] <ctr> for root users
• 1927[18:52:54] <ctr> jsut password
• 1928[18:53:04] <ctr> so whats the name i type it in gui login?
• 1929[18:53:05] <greycat> Debian only creates one root user.
• 1930[18:53:29] <greycat> A normal Debian installation prompts you for your name, and generates a suggested username from that (which you may edit).
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• 1932[18:53:59] <greycat> Then it prompts you for your password. And all of this is after (I think?) it has prompted you for the root password.
• 1933[18:54:32] <greycat> If you want to create alternate root users (other users with UID==0) you have to do it yourself, by hand.
• 1934[18:54:37] <ctr> ohh
• 1935[18:54:40] <ctr> i found it
• 1936[18:55:05] <ctr> what if i left it black in install
• 1937[18:55:12] <ctr> maybe the pass witll work with user
• 1938[18:55:15] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Seems like maybe it prompts for additional users after the first one.
• 1939[18:55:28] <greycat> If you leave the root password empty during install, it will install sudo for you, and add your primary non-root account to the sudo group.
• 1940[18:55:46] <ctr> so if i just type blank name for yser in login
• 1941[18:55:48] <ctr> that might work
• 1942[18:56:01] <greycat> *what*
• 1943[18:56:34] <ctr> i give up i think
• 1944[18:56:39] <ctr> im to messed up for it atm
• 1945[18:56:43] <ctr> thanks for help
• 1946[18:56:48] <annadane> how did you write your image? it's possible something got corrupted
• 1947[18:57:11] <greycat> Sounds more like he just didn't take note of the username that Debian generated for him, and/or forgot it.
• 1948[18:57:12] <ctr> i think it's ok i just skipped passed the user name
• 1949[18:57:23] <ctr> cause i was in hurry an not paying atttention
• 1950[18:57:27] <ctr> yeah
• 1951[18:57:29] <ctr> just retard
• 1952[18:57:50] <ctr> thanks for help just wasting peoples time i think
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• 1969[19:08:29] <pie3> anyone with hubzilla/mastodon/federation/diaspora?
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• 1971[19:08:52] <johnjay> pie3: are all those the same...?
• 1972[19:08:57] <johnjay> i've heard of mastodon
• 1973[19:09:00] <pie3> nope
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• 1975[19:09:15] <pie3> all of them are part of fediverse/federation johnjay
• 1976[19:09:26] <pie3> one may be like twitter, another like facebook etc..
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• 1978[19:09:48] <johnjay> oh
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• 1980[19:09:56] <pie3> but worth exploring
• 1981[19:10:21] <annadane> not really a topic for #debian
• 1982[19:10:48] <n4dir> could be if he or she would add freedombox to the general question.
• 1983[19:11:11] <jelly> !freedombox
• 1984[19:11:17] * jelly has no idea
• 1985[19:11:35] <n4dir> the wiki has a webpage about it.
• 1986[19:11:36] <annadane> ,i freedombox-setup
• 1987[19:11:37] <judd> Package freedombox-setup (misc, optional) in stretch/amd64: Package to set up freedombox environment. Version: 0.10; Size: 18.3k; Installed: 65k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1990[19:12:00] <n4dir> but then: pretty sure they got an own channel too.
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• 1992[19:12:37] <phazon> it's on irc.oftc.net
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• 2002[19:23:38] <pie3> n4dir: thanks for suggetion
• 2003[19:23:46] <pie3> thank you phazon
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• 2041[19:47:32] <BlackBishop> hi peeps. So if jessie-updates doesn't exist anymore, does that mean that all the updates it had were merged in the main repo ?
• 2042[19:47:44] <greycat> yes
• 2043[19:48:29] <BlackBishop> so all I need is 'deb replaced-url
• 2044[19:48:39] <BlackBishop> and I'll be on my merry way to updated to deb9 .. right ?
• 2045[19:48:46] <BlackBishop> to update*
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• 2064[19:57:09] <jelly> BlackBishop: jessie main repo is still on main mirrors, not in archive. It will be there for the duration of jessie-lts
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• 2067[19:57:40] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 2068[19:57:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2082[20:05:08] <BlackBishop> what about the backports line ?
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• 2084[20:05:20] <greycat> Here's a random stupid question. How come there's a "C.UTF-8" locale, but all the other locales with a UTF-8 encoding are spelled "*.utf8"?
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• 2089[20:08:21] <jelly> greycat: glibc internally names the locales with .utf8 suffix but Debian prefers .UTF-8 (mere aliases) everywhere
• 2090[20:08:38] <jelly> so there probably is a C.utf8 as well
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• 2092[20:08:56] <greycat> locale -a shows C and C.UTF-8 only
• 2093[20:09:25] <jhutchins_wk> What is the "linux-latest" package?
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• 2095[20:09:32] <greycat> ,info linux-latest
• 2096[20:09:33] <judd> No package named 'linux-latest' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 2097[20:09:50] <jhutchins_wk> ,v linux-latest
• 2098[20:09:51] <judd> No package named 'linux-latest' was found in amd64.
• 2099[20:10:40] <EdePopede> apt-cache search lists 4 packages: linux-image[-rt]-amd64[-dbg]
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• 2102[20:10:54] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 2103[20:11:16] <EdePopede> ah, their source it is
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• 2105[20:12:00] <jelly> greycat: you'll have to take it up with glibc people then, I think
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• 2107[20:12:59] <jelly> "glibc internally names the locales with .utf8 suffix except C.UTF8"
• 2108[20:13:08] <jelly> argh. C.UTF-8
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• 2114[20:13:42] <jelly> unhelpfully, there is no "UTF-8" alias for people sshing in from OSX
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• 2117[20:16:30] <BlackBishop> I just set my sshd_config to ignore those.
• 2118[20:16:58] <jelly> that has some benefits and some drawbacks
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• 2224[21:02:06] <ryouma> if you do NOT have force confmiss in apt-get (or force conffmiss in ucf), then will you be prompted to ask whether to restore a removed conffile?
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• 2226[21:03:24] <ryouma> that would be the most consistent with the documentation of the various options (i.e. treating removal as a change) but it is not totally clear to me
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• 2269[21:25:10] <kevinnn> does anyone by any chance know how to disable tty hot key switching?
• 2270[21:25:18] <kevinnn> most guides online talk about using xorg to solve this but I don't have x installed on my system
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• 2277[21:27:08] <ryouma> what is the difference between .ucf-new and .ucf-dist?
• 2278[21:27:42] <ryouma> kevinnn: do you mean consoles?
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• 2280[21:28:01] <kevinnn> ryouma: yes
• 2281[21:28:05] <obsview> kevinnn: I'm no expert, but try searching "debian disable tty shortcuts" -- DDG returned a couple of methods.
• 2282[21:28:33] <ryouma> kevinnn: sounds like the kind of thing inittab would do, but i didn't see it there
• 2283[21:29:08] <obsview> Search suggests using tee, editing xorg.conf
• 2284[21:29:44] <greycat> tee is just a shell command that makes output go to more than one file; probably not relevant here
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• 2286[21:30:16] <kevinnn> obsview: can't use the xorg solution, x isn't installed on my systen
• 2287[21:30:23] <greycat> inittab doesn't exist under systemd
• 2288[21:30:24] <kevinnn> let me try the tee solution
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• 2291[21:30:59] <greycat> I'm guessing he found a document that shows how to dump strings to a file using sudo + tee since sudo echo ... > file doesn't work.
• 2292[21:31:19] <greycat> So it's really just instructions for how to put stuff in a file.
• 2293[21:31:29] <obsview> Sorry -- using tee to write "manual" into /etc/init/tty1, 2, 3, etc
• 2294[21:31:35] <kevinnn> ya neither solution worked for me
• 2295[21:31:38] <greycat> Putting stuff in xorg.conf is NOT going to help you if you don't use X.
• 2296[21:31:43] <ryouma> slightly different question: what is the difference between .dpkg-new and .dpkg-dist? isn't the new version the same as the distributed version?
• 2297[21:31:45] <obsview> (I'll just be quiet and let you help...)
• 2298[21:31:50] <kevinnn> you all are referring to this right? replaced-url
• 2299[21:31:59] <kevinnn> none of these solutions worked
• 2300[21:32:05] <kevinnn> can still switch between ttys
• 2301[21:32:18] <greycat> Whatever document you find, make sure it's written for systemd and not for sysvinit.
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• 2305[21:32:57] <kevinnn> greycat: I've tried literally every suggestion on the first page of google...
• 2306[21:33:01] <kevinnn> nothing has worked for me
• 2307[21:33:56] <BCMM> kevinnn: this behaviour is defined by the kernel's keymap. you can disable it by making a custom keymap.
• 2308[21:34:20] <kevinnn> BCMM: does this require me to rebuild the kernel?
• 2309[21:34:32] <BCMM> kevinnn: no, you can load your custom map with loadkeys
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• 2311[21:34:50] <BCMM> (and on most distros, there's an easy way to load a custom map on boot)
• 2312[21:34:53] <kevinnn> hmm, loadkeys, it is wild to me that no one on google would suggest this
• 2313[21:35:02] <kevinnn> oh
• 2314[21:35:12] <kevinnn> it isn't a persistent change?
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• 2317[21:36:47] <obsview> Is this helpful? replaced-url
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• 2320[21:37:22] <ni291187> good
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• 2322[21:37:43] <BCMM> kevinnn: no. it is a kernel setting that is changed by userspace. like any other such setting, it must be reapplied each boot. like i said, most distros have a system for doing this automatically.
• 2323[21:37:48] <greycat> that's a serial console, so it won't apply
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• 2325[21:38:58] <kevinnn> BCMM: is greycat correct when he says it wouldn't work?
• 2326[21:39:24] <BCMM> kevinnn: i'm pretty sure greycat was talking to obsview there
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• 2330[21:41:48] <BCMM> kevinnn: anyway, get a copy of your kernel keymap, look for any keys called things like "Console_1" "Console_2", etc., and undefine those
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• 2334[21:45:35] <greycat> Yes, I am clearly talking to the person who posted a suggestion with the words "serial" and "console".
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• 2338[21:49:30] <obsview> greycat yeah that was me -- sorry for search spamming
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• 2342[21:50:51] <kevinnn> BCMM: okay this is incredible
• 2343[21:50:58] <kevinnn> I loaded a custom keymap
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• 2345[21:51:11] <kevinnn> with absolutely no reference to Console_3
• 2346[21:51:28] <kevinnn> and it still switches to tty3
• 2347[21:51:34] <kevinnn> I don't understand
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• 2361[21:54:04] <BCMM> kevinnn: what are you switching *from*?
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• 2364[21:54:21] <kevinnn> BCMM: tty1
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• 2366[21:54:43] <BCMM> and tty1 is just a regular linux vt, right?
• 2367[21:55:00] <kevinnn> yes it is
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• 2370[21:56:38] <ryouma> if this is for a kiosk or something maybe that keyword will be useful
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• 2374[21:57:35] <kevinnn> ryouma: hmm, are you talking to me?
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• 2376[21:59:30] <ryouma> yes, just to you. just a wild suggestion.
• 2377[21:59:54] <kevinnn> what keyword are you referring to?
• 2378[22:00:28] <ryouma> in case this is an xy problem, maybe that would be a useful internet search term
• 2379[22:00:39] <Cheryl> hi
• 2380[22:00:39] <ryouma> that is all
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• 2382[22:01:55] <kevinnn> ryouma: I actually see what you are saying, no it is not for a kiosk
• 2383[22:02:19] <kevinnn> kiosk's don't really have keyboards do they?
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• 2385[22:02:26] <greycat> kevinnn: did you try replaced-url
• 2386[22:02:28] <Sleaker> kevinnn: depends.
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• 2388[22:02:45] <Sleaker> there is a thing called kiosk mode that can give the user a limited web browser with a mouse + keyboard, but they are sandboxxed.
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• 2390[22:03:33] <Sleaker> you see it at places like libraries, book stores, etc. places that want to let you do simple searches but where you only have access to a limited set of applications or functions inside an app.
• 2391[22:03:38] <greycat> of course the part about /usr/lib/systemd/ has to change to /lib/systemd/ in Debian
• 2392[22:03:39] <kevinnn> yes I have tried that as well. cat /etc/systemd/logind.conf | grep VT prints this: NAutoVTs=0 ReserveVT=0
• 2393[22:03:43] <Sleaker> the OS UI is generally hidden in these instances.
• 2394[22:04:57] <jelly> kevinnn: are you merely able to switch to tty3, or are you also getting a login prompt and being able to log in there?
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• 2397[22:06:04] <kevinnn> jelly: no login prompt. I figured out how to disable that already
• 2398[22:06:32] <kevinnn> jelly: I can tell the tty changed though because the console I had on tty1 goes away
• 2399[22:06:38] <jelly> kevinnn: did you reboot since disabling login?
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• 2401[22:06:57] <kevinnn> jelly: yes I have rebooted so many times
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• 2403[22:07:18] <jelly> hmph, so it's not a matter of simply doing deallocvt
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• 2406[22:07:55] <kevinnn> jelly: right.... what could be the issue :(
• 2407[22:08:19] <greycat> well, the primary issue is that Linux virtual tty switching is built directly into linux
• 2408[22:08:27] <jelly> no idea what changed since stretch in systemd and tty allocation
• 2409[22:08:58] <jelly> greycat: okay, but when a VT does not exist you can't even switch there
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• 2411[22:09:01] <greycat> One would think there's a sysctl setting or something to tell it "hey, don't do this".
• 2412[22:09:06] <jelly> go try Ctrl-Alt-F8
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• 2414[22:09:32] <kevinnn> jelly: f8 does not do anything
• 2415[22:09:43] <kevinnn> only up to f6 does something happen
• 2416[22:09:51] <kevinnn> oh waiy
• 2417[22:10:03] <kevinnn> only up to f3 does something
• 2418[22:10:07] <kevinnn> that is weird...
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• 2420[22:10:18] <jelly> so something initialized those three.
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• 2423[22:10:53] <kevinnn> jelly: what in gods name could have done that
• 2424[22:11:05] <jelly> amusingly, when "showkeys" is running in console, Ctrl-Alt-F2 & friends do not work, here (on stretch)
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• 2432[22:12:24] <jelly> kevinnn: no clue. What happens with Ctrl-Alt-F2 if you manually run "deallocvt 2" as root?
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• 2435[22:13:30] <kevinnn> jelly: whoa
• 2436[22:13:39] <kevinnn> it doesn't switch to tty2 anymore
• 2437[22:13:54] <kevinnn> how can I make that a persistent change?
• 2438[22:13:59] <jelly> so you have a racy workaround
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• 2441[22:14:22] <kevinnn> I just add that to rc.local
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• 2443[22:14:32] <kevinnn> and it'll be semi-persistent
• 2444[22:14:43] <kevinnn> unless someone types it fast enough
• 2445[22:14:47] <jelly> kevinnn: that's the wrong question, the right question is "what allocates/starts tty2"
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• 2447[22:14:57] <kevinnn> right...
• 2448[22:15:03] <kevinnn> how can I find that?
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• 2450[22:15:06] <jelly> no idea
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• 2452[22:15:39] <jelly> grep ALL the systemd units!
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• 2456[22:18:05] <jhutchins_wk> Do a little googling on systemd + terminals/consoles.
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• 2459[22:18:27] <greycat> we've already *done* that
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• 2462[22:19:34] <jhutchins_wk> I knbow I found quite a bit about it when I looked, but decided it wasn't worth the troble.
• 2463[22:19:38] <garrettkajmowicz> If I re-run "dpkg -i package.deb" for the same version number, will the files be overridden, or will the write to disk be elided?
• 2464[22:19:39] <jhutchins_wk> trouble.
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• 2468[22:20:12] <jelly> garrettkajmowicz: non conffile-files, normal contents of the package, will be replaced
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• 2470[22:21:01] <somiaj> My understanding is in systemd, tty1-6 are started on demand via the getty@.service unit file. I'm unsure how systemd is setup to hooks to run them as they are asked for though.
• 2471[22:21:16] <somiaj> there are some other services linked to this too.
• 2472[22:21:21] <garrettkajmowicz> jelly: Thanks!
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• 2474[22:21:53] <somiaj> ahh yea, there is also the getty-static.service, which setsup tty2-tty6
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• 2476[22:22:49] <somiaj> garrettkajmowicz: the postinstall script will also be run again too.
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• 2483[22:25:21] <Mathisen> hello, so i just updated debian machine and got some error on the samba updates.. is it only me or is this common ? " Failed to preset unit: Unit file /etc/systemd/system/samba-ad-dc.service is masked. "
• 2484[22:25:28] <jelly> kevinnn: tty2 and tty3 might be opened way eariler, during initramfs for some reason, for all we know
• 2485[22:25:53] <jelly> Mathisen: that is not an error.
• 2486[22:26:10] <kevinnn> jelly: okay well I'll do some digging...
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• 2488[22:26:38] <jelly> that's a notification. If you want samba to act as DC you will have to configure and enable that manually
• 2489[22:26:40] <Mathisen> jelly, i have not seen this before so thats why im asking here.
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• 2491[22:27:23] <jelly> I don't know if it happens on initial installation of samba packages as well.
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• 2494[22:28:09] <somiaj> kevinnn: you can start by looking up the getty@.service and getty-static.service (the first is the wild card service to run ttys, the second pull 1-6 up at boot) and there maybe some other stuff hiding in there too.
• 2495[22:28:28] <kevinnn> somiaj: thank you
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• 2497[22:28:47] <kevinnn> although I deleted getty-static.service in an attempt to solve this
• 2498[22:29:05] <greycat> "deleted"?
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• 2501[22:29:49] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: replaced-url
• 2502[22:30:07] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: It's a frequently asked question RE samba specifically.
• 2503[22:31:37] <garrettkajmowicz> somiaj: I'm just trying to make sure that my edit/rebuild/reinstall loop is actually installing the new binaries. It's awkward if a bug isn't fixed because you didn't actually deploy the new binaries.
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• 2505[22:32:24] <jelly> garrettkajmowicz: if you are making custom packages, do a purge and reinstall every time you want new conffiles to be put in place.
• 2506[22:32:48] <jelly> garrettkajmowicz: alternatively, ALWAYS bump the version
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• 2509[22:33:07] <jelly> (never reinstall a package with same version)
• 2510[22:33:18] <jelly> (but different contents)
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• 2512[22:33:47] <somiaj> garrettkajmowicz: why not add a custom revision for each change to the package so you aren't installing one with the same version. The debian version string has lots of ways to argment a custom version string to each new package you produce.
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• 2516[22:34:51] <jelly> not just custom, custom and strictly higher.
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• 2518[22:35:33] <Sleaker> I increment on every build no matter what.
• 2519[22:35:39] <Sleaker> makes handling that stuff easy
• 2520[22:36:13] <Sleaker> garrettkajmowicz: bake the versioning into your build system.
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• 2523[22:38:59] <Neobenedict> there a way I can install custom packages during the installation of debian (ie. to get lcap working)
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• 2525[22:39:47] <somiaj> Neobenedict: There are ways, a lot depends on the package, where you have it stored, etc. But you can open up a second termial/shell from the installer and do manual things during the intall.
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• 2528[22:40:28] <somiaj> though often I suggest, just complete the install as a minmial install, get into your system, and start installing additional software and custom packages then (vs during the installer stage)
• 2529[22:40:45] <greycat> that's what I do
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• 2531[22:42:26] <Sleaker> Neobenedict: you can use a preseed to automatically setup a system with any sort of packages/setup you'd like
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• 2575[23:03:43] <skyfighter> Guys, good afternoon. I want to put Debian on the machine and I already have Arch Linux with Windows, how can I do a tri-boot?
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• 2579[23:05:59] <greycat> Figure out which one of the Linuxes you want to be in control of the boot loader.
• 2580[23:06:23] <greycat> Whenever you replace the kernel on the non-master Linux, you'll need to regenerate the GRUB menu on the master Linux.
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• 2595[23:22:22] <Neobenedict> does hostname matter
• 2596[23:22:30] <Neobenedict> to my sysadmins
• 2597[23:22:34] <Neobenedict> er
• 2598[23:22:35] <Neobenedict> network admins
• 2599[23:22:36] <Neobenedict> even
• 2600[23:22:52] <Neobenedict> can they see it?
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• 2610[23:30:18] <vlt> I think the hostname can be part of a DHCP request.
• 2611[23:30:25] <xtort-> Neobenedict, no, prob not
• 2612[23:31:02] <xtort-> vlt, my lan is set up to honor those requests and map the provided hostname to an ip, but that's pretty rare
• 2613[23:31:27] <xtort-> or maybe not now that i think about it
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• 2618[23:32:40] <ryouma> hostname gets sent out, is all i know
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• 2627[23:38:39] <jim> anyone dealing with linux kernel vers. 5?
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• 2629[23:39:54] <jim> like building and/or packaging it, or applying patches to it?
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• 2637[23:42:45] <t3st3r> Neobenedict> hostname could be seen in DHCP requests. It is up to admins if it matters for them or not. I've also spotted git seems to try to resolve machine name ("DNS leak").
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• 2646[23:45:20] <Neobenedict> if I want an encrypted /
• 2647[23:45:27] <Neobenedict> do I make /boot and /swap unencrypted
• 2648[23:45:37] <Neobenedict> and then / as a LVM volume
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• 2655[23:49:21] <vlt> Neobenedict: swap doesn’t have to be unencrypted.
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• 2658[23:51:27] <vlt> A usual setup is partition 1 with GRUB and /boot, partition 2 is a LUKS device that becomes a PV for LVM. All other needed block devices (including swap) are LVM volumes.
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• 2663[23:53:34] <Neobenedict> vlt: so LUKS is below LVM
• 2664[23:53:38] <Neobenedict> not LVM with LUKS on top
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